Trying it on

The left in general, but the American Democrats in particular, are doing about as good a job at discrediting their brand as I could hope. This Russian hacking business is an example of such insanity that you really do have to wonder why they have any credibility at all. The point is not that the Russians hacked into the voting machines and manipulated the results. Voting machines are stand-alone and cannot be influenced from the outside (we can talk about their programming some other time). The way in which the election was supposedly affected by the Russians is that they fed all of the WikiLeaks material from the Democrat National Committee to Julian Assange who then made this material public. And the outrage is that the Russians supposedly also had similar material from the Republican National Committee which they did not leak. Therefore, according to some unknown and unnamed source inside the CIA, the Russians are the reason for Donald Trump having won. So if I say to you that anyone who believes this sort of thing is crazy, you will see what I mean. Here, for example, is Paul Krugman in an article titled, The tainted election: How Donald Trump won is horrifying.

The CIA, according to The Washington Post, has now determined that hackers working for the Russian government worked to tilt the 2016 election to Donald Trump. This has actually been obvious for months, but the agency was reluctant to state that conclusion before the election out of fear that it would be seen as taking a political role.

Meanwhile, the FBI went public 10 days before the election, dominating headlines and TV coverage across the country with a letter strongly implying that it might be about to find damning new evidence against Hillary Clinton — when it turned out, literally, to have found nothing at all.

Did the combination of Russian and FBI intervention swing the election? Yes. Clinton lost three states – Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania – by less than a percentage point, and Florida by only slightly more. If she had won any three of those states, she would be president-elect. Is there any reasonable doubt that Putin/Comey made the difference?

You really have to read it all to see just how demented the argument is. That Hillary was everything you would not want to see become president, that she would have continued Obama policies as far into the future as she could, that there is a renewed optimism in the US following Trump’s win is perfectly clear, only emphasises how bizarre all of this is. The aim is somehow to discredit the election result, to perhaps influence enough “electors” to abandon Trump at the electoral college, and even, as some have asked, to run the election again. Here is Krugman again, spelling out the strategy:

We ought to be able to look both forward and back, to criticise both the way Trump gained power and the way he uses it. Personally, I’m still figuring out how to keep my anger simmering – letting it boil over won’t do any good, but it shouldn’t be allowed to cool. This election was an outrage, and we should never forget it.

There is no doubting it. These people are not just bad losers. They are totalitarians at heart who support the democratic processes only up to the point it actually delivers them the results they want. They are a danger to us all, and to themselves. The only reason the US does not turn into Venezuela is that they represent only about 47% of the voting population. They are saved from financial oblivion by the Republicans whom they hate. Here’s Newt Gingrich.

All the panic on the left about Russia is a ruse. The same media which was freaking out about ‘fake news’ last week is now engaging in just that. They’re promoting the idea that Russia influenced the election to create doubt about Trump’s victory and de-legitimize him. It’s a completely dishonest political move.

It’s a try-on by the left and their allies in the media. This one didn’t quite get the traction, but you may be sure they will be back with something else as soon as they can find something else to beat up. Meanwhile, this is a drumbeat that will continue for the next four years, and hopefully for the next eight.

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53 Responses to Trying it on

  1. Tim Neilson

    They’ve failed badly with the “recount” demands.
    They’ll try to get the members of the Electoral College to betray their states’ voters.
    If that doesn’t work, there’ll probably be a discovery of a new “implied Constitutional obligation” on the Chief Justice to refuse to swear Trump in.
    It will never stop until a Democrat manages to cheat their way into the White House, even if that takes 4, 8, 12 , 16 or however many years.

  2. Cynic of Ayr

    Two things bother me. The second has two parts.
    One, are all these people, supposedly intelligent and serious thinkers, so overwhelmingly hostage to their own emotions, and the emotions of others of a like mind, that they become unable to think or discuss rationally?
    Two (a), if the answer to One is yes, then there has been a real reduction in rational intelligence across a huge number of people.
    Two (b) if the answer to One is no, then there is a real increase in the number of people prepared to accept a dictatorial way of government and living, and to force it on the rest of the people.
    Toss in a third – why is this?

  3. Paul

    discrediting their brand
    Yep from the top down, Clintons, Obama, the Democrat party machine, Donna Brazile and CNN, NYT, Wapo, Podesta, Wall St, DoJ, FBI and Comey, now the CIA and a Hollywood movie set of many extras.
    All touched by Clinton Corruption.
    I read that article and could not believe such biased lying and Fake News.

  4. jupes

    A few points:

    The WikiLeaks material was more likely leaked than hacked.

    There is no evidence that Russia hacked anything.

    The reason the WikiLeaks material was influential was that it showed corruption by the DNC and the Clintons.

    If WikiLeaks had anything on the Republicans they would have released it.

    The FBI should have charged Clinton over her emails.

    The CIA has disgraced itself with this.

  5. mh

    2gb’s Leftist in Residence Richard Arnold was pushing the Russian hacking argument last night. Steve Price lapped it up. Some alternative commercial talkback turned out to be. Embarrassing.

  6. Paul

    Cynic of Ayr
    #2235051, posted on December 14, 2016 at 1:53 pm
    Toss in a third

    If you don’t believe in our Groupthink then you must be a racist. It’s just blatant fascism.

  7. Smufti

    You really have to read it all to see just how demented the argument is. That Hillary was everything you would not want to see become president,

    You really do post bullshit, Steve.
    By your own admission –

    The way in which the election was supposedly affected by the Russians is that they fed all of the WikiLeaks material from the Democrat National Committee to Julian Assange who then made this material public. And the outrage is that the Russians supposedly also had similar material from the Republican National Committee which they did not leak.

    So you acknowledge that the Russians were indeed in on the leaks, and that they had material on the RNC that they chose not to give to Wikileaks.
    Call it what you like – that is interference from a foreign (not necessarily benevolent) entity. Imagine if the Russians had leaked against Trump, and he’d lost by a similar margin, particularly if he’d won the popular vote (as Clinton did).
    You also expect me to believe that the CIA establishment is somehow complicit in a conspiracy against Trump.
    There needs to be an inquiry, if national security in the US has any value.
    That is, unless you believe in a new world order wherein oligarchs share international (nuclear tipped) power – one world government by another name.

  8. Muddy

    The word is that not only has the Russian hacker been positively identified, it has also been established that he and Trump were once in the same city (London) within 15 days of each other. So there’s your definitive proof. Wrap this up so we can all celebrate the rightful el presidente.

  9. struth

    The CIA, according to The Washington Post,

    I didn’t have to read anymore.

  10. struth

    The way in which the election was supposedly affected by the Russians is that they fed all of the WikiLeaks material from the Democrat National Committee to Julian Assange who then made this material public. And the outrage is that the Russians supposedly also had similar material from the Republican National Committee which they did not leak.

    Obviously you have no comprehension skills Smutti, so I’ll let you know that Steve was quoting the left.
    He doesn’t believe it at all.
    Neither should you.
    It’s a concocted load of crap from a biased newspaper with absolutely no proof of anything.
    You sir, are a prize dildo.
    But here’s the other thing you might like to note.
    None of your screaming lefty tanties are working.
    None.
    The only people listening are other lefties in the echo chamber.
    Sit in the corner and we’ll let you suck your thumb until you get over the fact that you guys are irrelevant, you lost, and you need to grow the F…ck up.
    It’s over.

  11. egg_

    All touched by Clinton Corruption.

    Deep, deep denial of reality.
    Cupcakes will need to huddle together in a ‘safe space’.

  12. Stackja

    WaPo/NYT were happy with Felt.

  13. jupes

    The way in which the election was supposedly affected by the Russians

    You are a lying idiot Numbers.

    Fuck off.

  14. Roger

    I’m still figuring out how to keep my anger simmering – letting it boil over won’t do any good, but it shouldn’t be allowed to cool.This election was an outrage, and we should never forget it.

    It’s the American Prog-Left’s 1975 moment:

    Maintain the rage!

  15. Jannie

    Smufti, you say

    Imagine if the Russians had leaked against Trump, and he’d lost by a similar margin, particularly if he’d won the popular vote (as Clinton did).

    If that happened, no MSM outfit would ever mention it. In fact they would offer “proof” that it never happened.

  16. Stackja

    Roger – 13 December 1975 voters maintained rage.

  17. Couldn’t care less who or what leaked, hacked or stole the info, all that matters is whether it is true, whether laws have been broken by the Clinton Crime Conglomerate and whether people have suffered as a result of their greed. In all cases the answers are an undeniable YES.

    Compare and contrast to the vast majority of the details reported by the MSM on DJT. Was it true? Nope, the rape allegations, violence at rallies, mocking the disabled, etc. were all complete and utter lies, hoaxes and false flags run by the left. Is it illegal for a woman to let you grab her private parts? Nope. Illegal to avoid taxes? Nope. Illegal to think your daughter is beautiful? Nope.

    The left are pissed the truth came out and their lies failed.

    Well fuck off, you lost and you are currently making the payback that is coming your way oh so much more justifiable and enjoyable.

  18. Botswana O'Hooligan

    If anything Russia would welcome Hillary because they could continue to do what they wanted. In practice they will probably welcome President Trump because they will know what he stands for and what the USA will do. Meanwhile, in the Russian Far East, Russian American and British oil companies are carrying on with business as usual as they have done since just after perestroika. In truth I would like a crate of whatever it is these so called conspiracy bastards are drinking to eke out my supplies of vodka and single malt.

  19. Tel

    They found heaps of evidence against Hillary, just haven’t got an executive willing to take it to trial.

  20. It’s clear the Russians want war. Look how close they keep putting their country to US and NATO military installations. And now that there’s going to be an EU army, I imagine Russia will want to locate itself near that too. And if Turkey can successfully threaten its way to EU membership, that means Russia has moved even closer to Europe (or what the technocrats, bureaucrats, carpetbaggers and lobbyists mean by “Europe”).

    It’s only natural that the EU, being a sort of boozy, confused German Empire, will need some lebensraum, right?

    That Joe Biden wasn’t just talking through his hair plugs.

  21. Zatara

    “The only reason the US does not turn into Venezuela is that they represent only about 47% of the voting population.”

    The fact that the other 53% is by far the more heavily armed and capable might have a wee bit to do with it.

  22. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Obviously you have no comprehension skills Smutti, so I’ll let you know that Steve was quoting the left.

    Well picked. Tertiary leftism has taken it’s toll on Bullshittin’ Bolshie Bob. His sockpuppetry of late confirms it won’t be long before he’s sectioned.

    So sad. To think he was actually paid by the state to supervise kids when what he needed was rehabilitation. Despite the fact his father was a communist, perhaps he could have been saved.

  23. Baldrick

    This is indeed bad news. It means the regressive Leftards are still stuck on the first stage of grief:
    1. Denial and isolation;
    2. Anger;
    3. Bargaining;
    4. Depression;
    5. Acceptance.

  24. King Koala

    Krugman has always been disingenuous little shit. He remembers, a long with the rest of us, that the RNC were anti Trump right up until election, and a lot of them are still anti Trump. Exposing dirt on the RNC in the election would have only aided Trump.

  25. iain russell

    The anger and the outrage from the WashPo and the NYTosh. Moi? ROTFL. The Krugster, in particular, needs professional help.

  26. Some History

    The CIA, according to The Washington Post….

    I didn’t have to read anymore.

    That would be the Washington [com]Post.

  27. Krugman is nothing but the ventriloquist doll for his wife’s endless virtue signalling

  28. This is indeed bad news. It means the regressive Leftards are still stuck on the first stage of grief:
    1. Denial and isolation;
    2. Anger;

    The left never ever get past 2.

  29. Tel

    The left never ever get past 2.

    They don’t understand the concept of Bargaining.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    This illegal exposure of the criminality of hilarity and the decromat aooarat must be hiddeb ,it has set back tge plam]n for one world unelected government by many years , tgey will be expising the valiant comrade commisars of the . . European soviet socialist republic next

  31. Smufti

    So sad. To think he was actually paid by the state to supervise kids when what he needed was rehabilitation. Despite the fact his father was a communist, perhaps he could have been saved.

    WTF?
    This character makes as much sense an a recent escapee from an asylum.
    He/she/it calls himself/herself/itself Empire GTHO Phase III.
    Leyland P76 would be more appropriate – an abject failure.

  32. NewChum

    The DNC emails were leaked, probably by Seth Rich, who turned up dead not long after, supposedly from a robbery, despite his wallet and phone being present on his corpse.

    The Podesta emails were obtained by sending him a simple ‘password reset’ email which was laughably false. He then got his password reset to [email protected], and he didn’t update it, even after the leaks initially came out.

    The level of sophistication for ‘hacking’ here is i the grasp of your a barrage talented teenager.

    The supposed evidence for the Russian government involvement is that he same hackers – who send out automated email spam on a regular basis – supposedly worked for the Russian government at some point.

    And with that double-poke backflip leap of logic the Russians stole the election. By exposing the corruptipn of the DNC and all of the associated plotters and hangers-on.

    Wikileaks has stated they do not have any leaks from either the Republican Party or Donald Trump.

    This Russian conspiracy joke also skips over the fact that many of he subpoenaed Clinton emails were also released by the Us government itself.

    Finally, those pushing the Russian conspiracy would have to explain how they got thousands of people to turn up at Trump rallies and forced all the Hillary supporters to stay at home.

    I still can’t believe actual mainstream papers are printing this rubbish. I doubt they’ll see the end of the Trump administration at this rate.

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  34. Let’s get this straight. The hard left have zero principles.

    You can’t make exceptions for murder or rape if you believe it is wrong. It’s not a principle if you apply it to Trump, but not to Clinton. They are then just convenient excuses.

    Amongst the breeding of Marxists, there are a great many Leninists who only believe in the result.

  35. john constantine

    The Russians support Trump, because, like, they are literally hitler.

    97% of the media prove this is true.

  36. BorisG

    Did the combination of Russian and FBI intervention swing the election? Yes. Clinton lost three states – Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania – by less than a percentage point, and Florida by only slightly more. If she had won any three of those states, she would be president-elect. Is there any reasonable doubt that Putin/Comey made the difference?

    can you tell me which bit is wrong here?

    of course there were many other factors but this may have made a small difference, sufficient to swing it in favour of Trump.

    But hey Trump is god!

  37. Mark A

    borisg
    just proved Steve’s point.

  38. BorisG

    It is also hilarious how in the eyes of the trumpoids assange overnight transformed from a traitor into a saint.

  39. Mark A

    I have no doubt that the Russians or any nation’s security agency has the means to crack 90% of any system by sheer persistence and computer power and an other 5 to 7 % by leaks from people in the organisations themselves.

    But I have my doubts about the fact that they actually did anything concerning the elections.
    They are not stupid enough to deny it but, sitting back and chuckling to themselves.
    To lose Hillary didn’t need much help.

    Why people can’t expect the simple fact that they lost, mostly fair and square?
    If any cheating was going on it was more likely from the Dem’s side, they had the full party apparatus behind Hillary, while DT had to fight his own side even. Or do you think he had the people and organisation to sabotage voting machines, which incidentally are not connected to the net?
    Basically they are one armed bandits.

  40. BorisG

    Putin is not quite hitler but he is a self confessed Stalinist.

  41. Mark A

    BorisG
    It is also hilarious how in the eyes of the trumpoids assange overnight transformed from a traitor into a saint.

    You might find it strange but I never was a fan of Wikileaks or Assange himself, I find the man despicable and the airing of state secrets deplorable and a treasonous act if the secrets are of a certain nature.

    Had many arguments about it with friends and one relative in particular.
    Keeping governments honest is one thing, sabotaging negotiations is an other. There are other ways.

  42. BorisG

    I don’t deny that Hillary lost and that trump won quite comprehensively. Any Russian interference needs to be investigated in the interest of national security, not to cast doubt on the election result.

    But dems lost, as quadrant editor said because of her baggage and because she is dreadful campaigner. It much because of her policies. Why I say so? Because both her supporters and detractors agree that she would have largely continued the policies of obama, who won the election twice and has one of the strongest popular poll numbers of any outgoing presidents in history.

    The simple math is that trump won because dems who supported obama and sanders stayed home.

    They got what they deserved. A twitter president.

  43. struth

    He would not have to be a twitter president if it were not for the bias of the msm.
    If it wasn’t for their proven bias (even admitted by them) throughout the entire campaign, Hillary would have been defeated before she got nominated.
    Throughout the years she has had her criminality covered up, they haven’t examined her at all, gave her everything from free passes, to debate questions supplied early.
    The Russian s never did a thing but if they did it’s a damning indicator of what the press should have done anyway.

  44. I’ve long learned not to fight fair with the left. Facts and evidence don’t mean a damn to them unless they support the lefts position. Nor are they just ‘nice’ people with differing political and social ideals. They are outright evil bastards.
    As far as this Russian hacking crap is concerned, IT’S TRUE, IT’S TRUE …..THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM YOU AND IT’S ALL SO UNFAIR.
    Stolen right from under your nose by evil foreign governments who installed their puppet Trump in the Oval Office and he is GOING TO MAKE LIFE HELL FOR YOU LEFTIES. Your chance to save the planet from Climate Change, your virtuous efforts to save the 99% from the cigar chomping 1% GONE for at least 8 years.
    Don’t give up lefties, maintain the anger, RIOT in the streets, BURN YOUR COMMUNITIES DOWN just like BLM and win your country back. Go on, show the rest of us JUST WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU REALLY ARE.

  45. MickofBrisbane

    It gets better. In a bid to oust Merkel, the Russians are now responsible for the migrant sex attacks in Germany.

  46. Mundi

    Whats amazing is they don’t understand they are just shooting themselves in the foot.

    Surprise surprise, All the people who voted for Trump are being told they are morons who were influenced by Russia.

    There will be n even bigger swing towards conservatives in the 2018 mid terms.

  47. Tel

    Ahhh, I’m late by a few minutes 🙁

  48. Rococo Liberal

    Cynic of Ayr should be given a guest pot to expand upon the themes of cognitive dissonance among the left.
    I saw first hand an instance of this.
    Just after the election results came through I had to attend a meeting at which I met a chap in his 60s. He was one of those metrosexual looking blokes with round plastic framed glasses and silly clothes. However, he is an engineer by training and quite rich. My wife who knows him slightly said ‘How are you?”
    “I’m sick” he replied, “Donald Trump has been elected.”What awful news.”
    This got me thinking. If Clinton had been elected, I would never have even mentioned my disgust in meeting with people I hardly know. I was always brought up to believe that you don’t discuss politics and religion with people until you know them well.
    But this bloke seemed to think that it was so obvious that Trump was a hate-figure that he could blirt out his emotions in such a febrile and childish manner..
    My opinion is that these idiots watch the ABC and read the Herald/Age and believe it all. They may be intelligent about other things, but they are really just babies when it comes to politics.

  49. OldOzzie

    Paul
    #2235068, posted on December 14, 2016 at 2:09 pm
    discrediting their brand
    Yep from the top down, Clintons, Obama, the Democrat party machine, Donna Brazile and CNN, NYT, Wapo, Podesta, Wall St, DoJ, FBI and Comey, now the CIA and a Hollywood movie set of many extras.
    All touched by Clinton Corruption.
    I read that article and could not believe such biased lying and Fake News.

    And in Canada we have Justin Trudeau emulating The Clinton Foundation

    Money began to rain on Trudeau Foundation once Justin took over Liberals, analysis shows

    Meltdown: Justin Trudeau Defends Presence at Elite Fundraisers as Approval Plummets

    Liberal Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the nation’s House of Commons Tuesday that he has attended lavish fundraisers for his family’s foundation to “create economic growth for the middle class.”
    His defense of his participation in fundraisers thrown by the Pierre Trudeau Foundation – which he renounced his official position in upon becoming the leader of the Liberal Party – follows an admission that he allowed attendees to lobby him at these fundraisers, a clear violation of Liberal Party bylaws.

    The metastasizing cash-for-access scandal follows a calamitous month for Canada’s Liberals in which, partly triggered by Trudeau’s effusive praise for dictator Fidel Castro, public approval of the Liberal Party dropped 9 percentage points.

    Trudeau has attended multiple questionable Foundation and Liberal Party fundraisers. One of particular concern for opponents cost $1,500 an entry and was attended by a number of Chinese millionaires with ties to the Communist Party, who donated to the Trudeau Foundation shortly after partying with Trudeau himself. Trudeau later visited China, where he refused to criticize the nation’s abysmal human rights record, instead saying in Hong Kong that he had “talked about the fact that Canada is not immune to criticisms on human rights, either” with Chinese Communist leaders.

    In addition to that fundraiser encounter, the National Post found highly suspicious donations to the Trudeau Foundation following Trudeau’s ascent to the head of the Liberal Party in 2013:

    Donations went from $172,211 in the 2014 fiscal year to $731,753 in 2016 — a four-fold increase. From 2008 to 2013, the foundation had no foreign donations, but it has brought in a growing amount of foreign money in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Foreign donations jumped from $53,000 in the 2014 fiscal year to $535,000 in 2016 — a ten-fold increase.

    The foundation attracted no foreign donations from 2008 to 2013, about $53,000 in 2014, $428,000 in 2015, and $535,000 in 2016.

    Following the fundraiser revelation, Trudeau acknowledged on Monday that he has been lobbied at these fundraisers and engaged in unauthorized political discussions with donors. “Any time I meet anyone, you know, they will have questions for me or they will take the opportunity to talk to the prime minister about things that are important to them,” he explained. “And I can say that in various Liberal party events, I listen to people as I will in any given situation, but the decisions I take in government are ones based on what is right for Canadians and not on what an individual in a fundraiser might say.”

    Liberal Party rules prohibit things. “Fundraising events are partisan functions where we do not discuss government business,” the bylaws state; “any individual who wishes to initiate a policy discussion is immediately directed to instead make an appointment with the relevant office.”

  50. Rococco Liberal;

    But this bloke seemed to think that it was so obvious that Trump was a hate-figure that he could blirt out his emotions in such a febrile and childish manner..

    Your post was full of false allegations and lies. However, the absolutely worst one was spelling ‘blurt’ as ‘blirt’
    That, sir, is an unforgiveable Offence Against Blogging.
    🙂 ++

  51. Cynic of Ayr

    The hilarious part of this is that, and let’s assume the Pesky Ruskies did it, what they found in the Dem’s emails was dirt! Lots and lots of DIRT!
    The poor, stupid, brain dead, wailing, crying, dog cuddling, country leaving Dem voters can’t see that, if there was no Dirt to be found in the first place, there would be nothing to work with.
    The Dems are not at all annoyed at the Ruskies. The Dems are annoyed that anyone had the temerity to show all the Dirt.
    The Russians! Don’t make me laugh! With the security cares displayed by Clinton as a guide, the local Kindie Kids probably hacked them.

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