Guest Post: m0nty Trump’s counterfactual presidency: Caesar lives!

The ides of November are come… and gone, yet Caesar did not fall. He wanders the White House now, clad in what some call a bathrobe but must surely more resemble a toga. Historians have often wondered what would have happened if Caesar had not been betrayed and instead got to follow through on his vast ambitions of empire. In Donald Trump’s presidency, they may behold a new third act in an old drama.

In the previous post on this topic, I laid out the logical reasons for a very particular type of Democrat to shift Republican in 2016. That small demographic ended up being the decisive swing vote in the election in the key states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. There is much to be said about the failure of the Democrats to keep those votes, but they are not listed among the dramatis personae in this play any more: Republicans have ultimate power in all aspects of government, or will do soon in the case of the judiciary. America’s system does not produce a singular leader of the opposition at the best of times, and right now that role is being filled by the mob, milling about in the marketplace listening to orators cry from the pulpit of the cruelest of issues.

Like Caesar, Trump talks of conquest, as in his recent address to the CIA where he hinted at a second chance at securing oil riches. For Caesar the obsession was with Parthia, for Trump it centres on Iran and Iraq… which is the same place. Caesar had plans to purge the Republican Senate; Trump has been largely ignoring them so far in favour of dictatorial decrees, and doesn’t seem to need the Senators or share their interests, though the real battles on that front are yet to come. Their shared objective is to bypass all societal institutions to speak directly to the mob to gain his legitimacy.

The mob, however, is already against Trump, or at least are losing what passion they had for him. Mark Antony told them that Caesar’s lands were theirs, whereas Trump is showing no such charity with his own assets, or that of his fellow billionaires. Those angry white men from swing states can also let loose their frustration on Trump if he doesn’t institute the herrenvolk-style largesse they crave. If polling isn’t to your taste, the Women’s March was a mob of three million whereas a recent pro-Trump demonstration outside his tower attracted three dozen.

Assuming that a modern Brutus is not merely biding his time to strike at a more opportune moment to restore elite control, it is the mob to whom Trump will answer. Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible. That includes many scenarios of mischief for would-be emperors.

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137 Responses to Guest Post: m0nty Trump’s counterfactual presidency: Caesar lives!

  1. pete m

    I agree he needs to enact his policies to produce results for his constituents, or “the mob”, but other than this, the rest of your opinion is high farce.

    This is the most glaring:

    Their shared objective is to bypass all societal institutions to speak directly to the mob to gain his legitimacy.

    Reminder – you win the election you get legitimacy. How hard is this to accept? Your mob demanded Trump accept the choice of the people, and he did, but you now claim that is not enough, and he must do more to gain legitimacy.

    The stupid burns strongly with you.

  2. mizaris

    Clutching at straws after a Presidency of less than 4 weeks?????

  3. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible.

    Can you pad this bit out a bit please Monster?

  4. mh

    This is just dumb. Or is it a joke?

    Apologies if it’s a joke, I’m new to the blog.

  5. Tom

    Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible.

    Bwahahahaha. The left has a 50-year headstart, Monty — it has already ransacked the judiciary and the bureaucracy, for example, not to mention academia and the media — and you’re worried the non-left is catching up?

    I suggest you sit back, enjoy the entertainment and wonder some more about why the US left is trapped in a crybubble with a mental age of four.

    (Hint: if the left, particularly the zombie-infested media, didn’t have a mental age of four — seen the Washington Post lately? — the left and the DNC would have taken Trump seriously last year. They still don’t understand why he was elected.)

  6. RobK

    ” Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible.”
    Like a painter preparing a canvas. It’s a required step in any catharsis.

  7. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Exceptional post. Entertainment value = HIGH.

    Watching a mentally ill leftard flail about like a 1000lb Black Marlin on the deck after a few hours on the line is comedy gold.

    Keep thrashing, Montagnard.

  8. Mundi

    Trump makes one ‘controversial’ executive order, which we all know is legal, but will be ruled illegal by the 9th, and the left already start ranting about how he is a dictatorship that can ignore congress… Meanwhile in reality congress clearly gave the president power to impose terms and conditions on aliens, and trumps approval rating is still higher than when he was elected.

  9. Driftforge

    So… which societal institution that hasn’t already been hollowed out is being consumed now?

    Oh… you meant the institutions that are responsible for hollowing out other institutions are now being hollowed out? Seems kind of karmic that.

    With any luck Trump will gut the judiciary like he’s gutted the media.

  10. TheWombat

    I wasted my time reading half of this dribble ……

  11. Megan

    The US president that behaved most like an emporer has vacated the premises. That anyone would produce such arrant nonsense about the new incumbent after barely three weeks, beggars belief. But then again, it’s Monty, so it is entirely predictable and incredibly silly. Although he seems to have hit a new low with this offering. You’re clutching at rakes, mate.

  12. Razor

    Please explain
    It reads like the manifesto of the 4 yo in a journalist seat at the Wapo.

  13. Megan

    This is just dumb. Or is it a joke?

    Your first guess is correct.

  14. BorisG

    Reminder – you win the election you get legitimacy.

    Yes, to the extent of the mandate stipulated in the constitution.

  15. H B Bear

    Make Catallaxy Great Again!

  16. BorisG

    Their shared objective is to bypass all societal institutions to speak directly to the mob to gain his legitimacy.

    US Institutons are strong and there is no evidence that they can be bypassed. Trump has criticized judges but did not say he will defy their rulings. This is not Rome.

  17. egg_

    Clutching at straws after a Presidency of less than 4 weeks?????

    The Left is vewy vewy afwaid of da ‘deplorable’ mob?

  18. BoyfromTottenham

    OT, but Trump may have something else on his plate soon – a major dam (Oroville) near Sacramento has reached full capacity due to extreme rain and snow melt inflow and is shedding huge amounts of water, flooding downstream areas, and has a failing spillway to boot. If the very worst happens, part of the dam wall could fail, potentially flooding Sacramento. Should be interesting for relations between California and Trump’s administration.

  19. Some History

    Quod hoc sit quia absurdum est, Monte?

    From Fuga Phantasiam

  20. John L

    I don’t know who this Monty character is, but it amazes me that a mentally ill imbecile is allowed to write on this blog. This guy, I presume that he is a guy (possibly gender fluid?), should really be returned to the mental institution.

  21. King Koala

    The mob, however, is already against Trump, or at least are losing what passion they had for him

    Believing the media again monty, you are a special one.

  22. Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible.

    Can you pad this bit out a bit please Monster?

    Part of how Western society works is that institutions populated by elites bound by commitment to fundamental principles provide checks and balances against the ruling elites, so that unfettered dictatorship does not ensue and leaders are held to those principles on which democracies are founded. Trump has spent a lot of energy so far attacking people in such institutions: the courts, the press, the bureaucracy, other politicians on the Hill. If he succeeds in quietening dissent among the elites, the mob (who see through his lies) will take matters into their own hands. He can’t control them if they turn on him. That is the point of the article.

  23. Some History

    Monte: I came, I saw, I drivelled.

  24. US Institutons are strong and there is no evidence that they can be bypassed. Trump has criticized judges but did not say he will defy their rulings. This is not Rome.

    US customs officials have been routinely bypassing the judges since Trump’s anti-Muslim EO. Check out this story from a NASA engineer who had his phone with access to classified information confiscated and accessed after he was blackmailed into giving up the PIN.

  25. Tom

    the mob (who see through his lies) will take matters into their own hands.

    I hope you’ve ironed you nice new Brown Shirt, Monty.

  26. Zatara

    a major dam (Oroville) near Sacramento has reached full capacity due to extreme rain and snow melt inflow

    … and due to the State environmental dipshits playing political games with not releasing water earlier in the season in order to prove their authority over the farmers.

  27. Tailgunner

    Antifa are allowed guest post privileges at the Cat now?
    What a time to be alive.

  28. Tailgunner

    Monty, I know that you’re reading, get back in here and give us a Polls Update at least.
    Many readers really miss those!
    And OT, but should I shuffle Kapernick out of my ultimate Phantasy Footie team? Is he even playing next season? Thanks in advance! 🙂

  29. 132andBush

    So he’s hollowing out societal institutions?

    Just think of it as this

    6:00 min mark for the money quote.

    Even looks a bit like you, Monty.

  30. Reminder – you win the election you get legitimacy.

    Trump lost the popular vote bigly: 62,979,879 (46.1%) to 65,844,954 (48.2%). That is a major component of legitimacy in a Western democracy, quite apart from the byzantine intricacies of electoral law. Voters don’t tend to like gerrymanders, be it through design or luck, as they like to think their vote means as much as that of anyone else.

  31. Snoopy

    Clickbait.

    I’m waiting for tomorrow’s offering from Monty: “Outed! Ten ALP P3dophiles That Will Shock You”.

  32. RobK

    mOnty,
    The fact that Trump can’t control the mob is a feature enshrined in the US constitution as the last protection of the people’s freedom.

  33. Some History

    Monte: I came, I saw, I drivelled.

    I stayed, I drivelled more.

  34. Unreadable tosh. Thanks to those who did précis of it.
    I suppose the doom lord will have his little jokes.

  35. Zatara

    who had his phone with access to classified information confiscated and accessed after he was blackmailed into giving up the PIN.

    Bullshit. He doesn’t even mention classified data. You made that up.

  36. Leo G

    Mark Antony told them that Caesar’s lands were theirs, whereas Trump is showing no such charity with his own assets, or that of his fellow billionaires.

    You clearly favour the Mark Antony benevolence model.
    What ever happened to Caesar’s bequest to the plebs? Wasn’t it found to be unfunded to the extent that Caesar’s heir borrowed funds to honour it (and buy popularity for himself)?
    The model looks to me more Obama than Trump.

  37. Diogenes

    US customs officials have been routinely bypassing the judges since Trump’s anti-Muslim EO. Check out this story from a NASA engineer who had his phone with access to classified information confiscated and accessed after he was blackmailed into giving up the PIN.

    Amazing how Trumps EO went back in time to 2008

    or maybe No surprises here: according to a 2008 ruling made in a federal court, customs agents at U.S. airports can inspect the contents of passengers’ laptop computers. They don’t even need any evidence to do so. The Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco declared a computer to be no different to a suitcase, car or any other property subject to search at an international border.

    The above ruling also applies to tablet computers and smartphones. If it switches on and you can store things on it, it’s fair game.

    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/smartphone-laptop-searches-know-rights/

  38. Dan Phillips

    Trump nominated a constitutionalist to the Supreme Court. That is not a hollowing out. That is a reinforcement.

  39. Diogenes

    Voters don’t tend to like gerrymanders, be it through design or luck, as they like to think their vote means as much as that of anyone else.

    Yeh and the so called popular vote basically means that votes in 4 cities are the only ones that should be counted.

  40. Sorry, but the above looks very much like the old liberal elite whining about the success of it’s new rival. And only a week has passed since that same elite stood by while it’s rival’s supporters had their meeting disrupted, supporters menaced and bashed, and so on, by masked Leftists clad in black. No, sorry, not going to work. We don’t believe a word you say.

  41. Jannie

    Whoever wrote this dribble has no grasp of Roman history at all, and is libelling Caeser. Obsessed with Parthia, Plans to purge the Senate….where did you get this from? Brutus?

  42. dopey

    The swamp is deeper than the Rubicon.

  43. jupes

    He can’t control them if they turn on him.

    Trump and his supporters have all the guns you blithering idiot.

    The mob can’t hurt him.

  44. jupes

    Check out this story from a NASA engineer who had his phone with access to classified information confiscated and accessed after he was blackmailed into giving up the PIN.

    LOL

    M0nty’s best example of Trump “dictatorial decree”.

    Oh noes! Someone claims their phone got ‘hacked’.

  45. Bear Necessities

    The rules of the game where to get 270 electoral votes. Misssion accomplished. The rules of the game weren’t winning the popular vote in all 50 states. Winning the popular vote was not an issue in the lead up to the election. It only comes up because Clinton lost. So legitimacy means one thing before the election but another thing after the election.

    Same with accepting the result. You had to accept the result before the election but after the election “He is not my President!”

    This is the problem with the modern left, if the result doen’t fit the “facts” then change the results to fit the “facts”.

  46. Gab

    Trump makes one ‘controversial’ executive order, which we all know is legal,

    And it’s the same EO Obama made for the exact same countries but the leftists haters simply ignored it and made no protest. For the Left, it’s tribal not principle.

  47. Dr Fred Lenin

    Comrade sanders now says Trump is mentally ill,this from a devoted communist who withdrewfrom a winning position in the nomination because the aparat knew secrets he had ? Must have been really bad to drop his supporters that quick He woukd be one of the monsters heroes .

  48. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Voters don’t tend to like gerrymanders,

    Stop using words you don’t understand.

  49. Trump in a toga: weirdest classical re-hash since Bob Guccione’s Caligula.

    Wouldn’t it be easier just to say ELECTED? You just start with an E, then make an L…

  50. Tailgunner

    Comrade sanders now says Trump is mentally ill,this from a devoted communist who withdrewfrom a winning position in the nomination because the aparat knew secrets he had ? Must have been really bad to drop his supporters that quick He woukd be one of the monsters heroes .

    A certain Italian dish comes to mind,DoctorL…
    Apologies if Triggering.

  51. Old School Conservative

    OK M0nty I’ll bite.

    If he succeeds in quietening dissent among the elites, the mob (who see through his lies) will take matters into their own hands. He can’t control them if they turn on him. That is the point of the article.

    Well why didn’t you say so? The post reads as though the mob is out to get him now. e.g. The mob, however, is already against Trump News reports seem to show that to be the case.

    Your belittling language (“clad in … a bathrobe”; “obsession”) immediately turns the thinking reader away from your partisan polemic.

    Make up your mind: Like Caesar, Trump talks of conquest, as in his recent address to the CIA where he hinted at a second chance at securing oil riches

  52. Chris

    First SELECTED – by Clintons media team and given untold oxygen as the candidate THEY wanted so they could beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

    Then ELECTED. According to all the rules, his election was legit.

    Crybullies getting sandy vag because their welfare voteherds are too concentrated, should go F themselves.

  53. Tailgunner

    Montel doesn’t understand yet that his mob ARE “The Mob” that frightens him so. Unreal.
    Or he’s deluding himself phantasizing about Trumpsters turning on The President. Lol.
    This is Ride or Die time. The Deplorables aren’t for turning. Sorry,Monster.

  54. win

    Three dozen ,boy they were game did they have armed gaurds to protect them?

  55. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Trump lost the popular vote bigly: 62,979,879 (46.1%) to 65,844,954 (48.2%). That is a major component of legitimacy in a Western democracy, quite apart from the byzantine intricacies of electoral law. Voters don’t tend to like gerrymanders, be it through design or luck, as they like to think their vote means as much as that of anyone else.

    Liar.

    The road to victory in a US Prez election is well understood, yet one of the candidates failed to campaign accordingly.

    Just tell the truth. Your preferred candidate lost because she is a sclerotic failed corrupocrat. As a fanboy of mob violence in support of Marxism, you are now doing your best to incite the mob.

  56. pbw

    Tailgunner,

    Montel doesn’t understand yet that his mob ARE “The Mob” that frightens him so.

    Indeed. What difference is there between the hysterical, fantastical and constant attacks on the newly-inaugurated President of the U.S.A., the burning rampages of the mobs on the street, and the hysterical, fantastical ravings that we are reading here?

    Trump Derangement Syndrome. If monty is so concerned about the future of the institutions of democracy, why is he encouraging the insanity by example?

  57. I didn’t know the rake was invented by the Romans.

  58. NewChum

    for Trump it centres on Iran and Iraq

    Yeah, cause Trump spent so much of his campaign talking about how he was going to spend more treasure and blood in wars, rather than fighting the neocons who love bombing the Middle East.

    Calling previous decisions by the former two administrations dumb does not make him an invader.

    the Women’s March was a mob of three million whereas a recent pro-Trump demonstration outside his tower attracted three dozen.

    The core of The Losers constituency rebranding a victory march into a protest march of a 1 day old presidency? Where an assortment of cat ladies, washed up celebrities and the perpetually single also rans had a nice foot stamping tantrum? That is a completely meaningless display of knitting skills. Why would trump supporters march? They got what they wanted – and just finished celebrating the inauguration of their chosen president not 24 hours prior. Marching means naught compared to voting.

    In the words of Scott Adams, it’s amazing to witness the movie playing in some people’s heads.

    The fact is, this mythical ‘mob’ is a figment of fevered imaginations. There is a reason they are reduced to writing footprints on deserted beaches – that’s the sort of behaviour isolated invidiuals make to try and draw attention to their plight.

    The evidence shows that, were the election be held again tomorrow, Trump would get a bigger share of the vote than his victory. Lamentations about the popular vote are just the bleatings of the pink knitting crowd upset they only have enclaves of support.

  59. I didn’t know the rake was invented by the Romans.

    Sir, you win the intraweb thingummy for today.

  60. Dan Phillips

    The women’s march was probably paid for by George Soros in any case, so it probably wasn’t grassroots. (Politifact disagrees, but they are well-known peddlers of fake news.)

  61. .

    monty everyone else has hammered you but I’m going to take this apart piece by piece.

  62. Well why didn’t you say so? The post reads as though the mob is out to get him now. e.g. The mob, however, is already against Trump News reports seem to show that to be the case.

    The mob disapproving of Trump and the mob coming to get Trump are two different things. They have not been sufficiently inflamed by a Marc Antony type talking of treason, or whatever the modern equivalent might be.

    To quote another famous tragician: if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Trump has chosen to consolidate power by attacking institutions and drawing power from the mob, and the more he does so, the more likely it is that this strategy will blow back on him.

  63. J.H.

    A Presidency of 20 days and Monty is already channeling Caesar, building empires and jabbing steely little knives….. Settle down dude, take a bex or something.

  64. Tailgunner

    To quote another famous tragician: if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Trump has chosen to consolidate power by attacking institutions and drawing power from the mob, and the more he does so, the more likely it is that this strategy will blow back on him.

    A mirror, Stat!

  65. Wal of Ipswich

    Brave man Monty. Say something against the group think on this blog & the keyboard fascists lynch you.

  66. struth

    Hello, what’s going on with this blog?

    Monty’s had a dummy spit in lefty la la land again, and gets to post it.
    That dribble is not worth commenting on.
    What are you doing Sinclair?

  67. Austin Mangosteen

    George Zorro is funding the sedition, so you can rest in peace Monty–more like a snake than a python.

  68. Tim Neilson

    What’s a “tragician” monty, and how does Jesus Christ qualify as one?

  69. Brave man Monty. Say something against the group think on this blog & the keyboard fascists lynch you.

    It might be tempting, when looking at volume of output, to think this blog consists almost entirely of the comments interrupted only occasionally by OPs. Not everyone reads it that way.

    It is a measure of how things have changed that my essentially conservative view on this topic is seen as anathema by the assembled anarchists.

  70. What’s a “tragician” monty, and how does Jesus Christ qualify as one?

    Some Greek bloke got in several centuries beforehand with that bon mot, Tim.

  71. Gab

    essentially conservative view

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Thanks, I needed a laugh.

  72. thefrolickingmole

    US population: 325, 582, 123 (and rising)

    March Monty claims will overthrow the Don.

    3,000,000

    0.0092142651210613 % of the population will manage this.
    Half are Trigglypuffs, unless they are all planning a simultaneous queef at the white house i dont like their chances of driving him out.

  73. You are not good at numbers, are you mole? Try that percentage again.

  74. Congratulations to Sinclair for convincing a Sunday drunk Monty to post some assinine drivel and the inevitable ensuing comments for our entertainment on a quiet day.

  75. thefrolickingmole

    3,ooo,ooo
    Divided by
    325, 582, 123
    times 100 (for %)
    oh so much better

    .92142651210613%

    Roll on the queefing furies of no fixed gender, or abode.

  76. Simon/other

    So Monty do you still have matching Pompey and Cicero (now with extra ears) busts on your mantle piece?

  77. struth

    It is a measure of how things have changed that my essentially conservative view on this topic is seen as anathema by the assembled anarchists.

    Anarchy, the opposite of Nazi socialists now.
    Please make up your mind, and pull the skin back from your eyes, you uncircumcised scrotum sack.

  78. Tailgunner

    Lamentations about the popular vote are just the bleatings of the pink knitting crowd upset they only have enclaves of support.

    Perfect.
    Conan’s Words become real.
    Sucked in losers!!

  79. Tailgunner

    Brave man Monty. Say something against the group think on this blog & the keyboard fascists lynch you.

    Concern trolling the OP.
    Verily,Montel!
    It’s not lynchings. Just gentle Red Pills to the throat.
    Monty is hard of learning.
    Back to the cells.

  80. Rabz

    “m0nty Trump’s counterfactual presidency”

    LOL. Bizarre parallel universe time.

  81. What a load of bullshit little monsty writes

  82. Tel

    LOL. Bizarre parallel universe time.

    He did warn you this was a counterfactual.

  83. Wal of Ipswich

    Someone above (in one of the more reasonable offerings) suggested criticising the President after a few short weeks was premature. But the bloke has done nothing more in reaction to Iran & North Korea’s missile tests than Obama. The Mexico wall is all talk. The Jerusalem embassy move is benched. In short he has been hit by reality, just like Reagan, & has to learn the art of the possible, just like Reagan.

  84. JC

    Monster

    You deserve a re-banning for this type of swill. This is exactly the sort of lowbrow insolent nonsense that got you banned in the first place.

    The readership deserves an apology and we’re waiting.

  85. Caveman

    Should have had a trigger warning before your guest post.

  86. NewChum

    . The Mexico wall is all talk

    One for the wrongology files! Why hasn’t your president built a wall in three weeks?! See, he was a phoney Clinton plant the whole time!

  87. JC

    America’s system does not produce a singular leader of the opposition at the best of times, and right now that role is being filled by the mob, milling about in the marketplace listening to orators cry from the pulpit of the cruelest of issues.

    There is an unofficial leader of the opposition. It’s name is Nancy Pelosi, you Kumquat brain.

    The mob, however, is already against Trump, or at least are losing what passion they had for him.

    They do, do they?

    You big fat idiot.

  88. Oh JC, even you should realise quoting Rasmussen is fraught.

  89. Tel

    Should have had a trigger warning before your guest post.

    Suggest coding the blog to display the word “m0nty” in red text?!?

  90. B Shaw

    “is fraught.”
    Sorry, but this an error. And it’s caught on.
    (Not unlike “shoe in” replacing “shoo in”).

    It should be “fraught with . . . . . ”
    Fraught with any old thing you like
    But always “fraught with . . . . ”

    I love Trump.

    The article itself is quite good. Yes.

  91. Crossie

    How Monty manages to perceive a situation in direct opposition to reality is beyond me. But the again if he were able to see things as they are he would not be Monty.

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    For Caesar the obsession was with Parthia, for Trump it centres on Iran and Iraq

    Sorry, M0nty, just now got to your article. I am of the view that Trump is a domestic President and that, aside from the narrow focus on destroying ISIS (which is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq already), he intends on concentrating on cleaning up the domestic crap left by Obama. Most of his executive orders have been about that. The big ones are to come: EPA, DOE, climate crap and the tax regimen.

    Sure, yes, there will be a focus on the relationship with Mexico too. That is only just since Mexico has been exploiting the US for many years now without doing the corresponding work that a good neighbour should be doing.

  93. struth

    Who isn’t getting the situation on this blog yet?

    We are witnessing the march through this institution as well.
    Once a delsoc is at the top, it’s over.

  94. egg_

    Sorry, but this an error.

    As is “I could care less”.
    It’s ‘I couldn’t (possibly) care less’.
    Logic, Septimus.

  95. Cradock's Choice

    Very funny post. A delightfully hilarious mix of vacuous empty-pated incomprehension, wailing gap-toothed butthurt, spittle-flecked rage and gibbering denial of reality. What tops it off it its semi-literate wording and inchoate structure.

    This is a hilarious example of the eight years of joyously Trumptastic leftardish splodey noggins we have to look forward to. And we are only a couple of weeks in!

  96. Nerblnob

    Please explain “securing oil riches”

  97. Nanuestalker

    Potentially the greatest post since Sinc’s Potentially Greatest PM Eva!!

  98. Linden

    That’s exactly what I said to friends in the US who are Democrats and were bemoaning Trumps election win, ‘do you think his voters would just accept their vote being discounted because you did not like the result, what do you want, another civil war?, ‘ I haven’t heard anything back from them since! bad luck LOL

  99. .

    The ides of November are come… and gone, yet Caesar did not fall.

    Trump was elected before the ides of November, Caesar was in power for over 10 years and made dictator for life before he was assassinated.

    He wanders the White House now, clad in what some call a bathrobe but must surely more resemble a toga.

    This is just propaganda. Bob-Ellis-like propaganda. Trump has a strict dress code. He likes good optics.

    Historians have often wondered what would have happened if Caesar had not been betrayed and instead got to follow through on his vast ambitions of empire.

    He would have ruled as first emperor then Augustus would have been second. Not much mystery in that!

    In Donald Trump’s presidency, they may behold a new third act in an old drama.

    So what happens in the new Act IV and V?

    In the previous post on this topic, I laid out the logical reasons for a very particular type of Democrat to shift Republican in 2016.

    People change their ideology sometimes as well.

    That small demographic ended up being the decisive swing vote in the election in the key states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. There is much to be said about the failure of the Democrats to keep those votes, but they are not listed among the dramatis personae in this play any more: Republicans have ultimate power in all aspects of government, or will do soon in the case of the judiciary.

    This is hyperbole. The US is a Federal system with strong local government and as for Senate confirmation, who got rid of cloture? Harry Reid. He, Pelosi and Obama Caesar decided to change the Senate rules and now it has bitten them on their rear ends.

    America’s system does not produce a singular leader of the opposition at the best of times, and right now that role is being filled by the mob, milling about in the marketplace listening to orators cry from the pulpit of the cruelest of issues.

    Actually there is a house minority leader. Cruel issues? Will debates be lethal?

    Like Caesar, Trump talks of conquest, as in his recent address to the CIA where he hinted at a second chance at securing oil riches.

    Quote this please. Where has Trump said words that equate to “blood for oil”. This is cheap, recycling old memes.

    For Caesar the obsession was with Parthia, for Trump it centres on Iran and Iraq… which is the same place. Caesar had plans to purge the Republican Senate; Trump has been largely ignoring them so far in favour of

    Parthia…was fought by Crassus. Caesar left Parthia lone. Most Romans learnt not to fight Parthia and Parthia learnt not to provoke Rome.

    dictatorial decrees, and doesn’t seem to need the Senators or share their interests, though the real battles on that front are yet to come. Their shared objective is to bypass all societal institutions to speak directly to the mob to gain his legitimacy.

    So the Senate passing his agenda so far and voting with the Don are evidence of…abolishing the Senate? monty were you drunk on boot polish when you wrote this? Executive orders are “dictatorial decrees”? No, Congress can always disallow them, so can the Courts.

    The mob, however, is already against Trump, or at least are losing what passion they had for him.

    Evidence please. Al Franken tub thumping and declaring that Trump is “mentally unwell” is not evidence enough.

    Mark Antony told them that Caesar’s lands were theirs, whereas Trump is showing no such charity with his own assets, or that of his fellow billionaires.

    What are you actually talking about monty?

    Those angry white men from swing states can also let loose their frustration on Trump if he doesn’t institute the herrenvolk-style largesse they crave. If polling isn’t to your taste, the Women’s March was a mob of three million whereas a recent pro-Trump demonstration outside his tower attracted three dozen.

    You’re telling me tax cuts are a form of racial eugenics? The women’s march didn’t have the numbers they claimed at all monty. You are just repeating talking points. Ashley Judd and Madonna have nothing in common with normal people, let alone the mob.

    Assuming that a modern Brutus is not merely biding his time to strike at a more opportune moment to restore elite control, it is the mob to whom Trump will answer.

    Elite control? That is what the mob want? On one hand you have called him the most elite possible (superior people) and now you are saying the mob want Nancy Pelosi in charge – the silly old bint the other day said Russia invaded North Korea. Are you sure the “mob” want these establishment loons back in charge? Really?

    Once you start hollowing out societal institutions like he is doing, anything becomes possible. That includes many scenarios of mischief for would-be emperors.

    What is he hollowing out? What institutions? What scenarios of mischief?

    Your rant monty was the most booze filled, evidence-free load of tripe I’ve read in a long time.

  100. Rev. Archibald

    Monty, I know that you’re reading, get back in here and give us a Polls Update at least.
    Many readers really miss those!
    And OT, but should I shuffle Kapernick out of my ultimate Phantasy Footie team? Is he even playing next season? Thanks in advance!

    ..
    Isn’t it ironic that those obsessed with fantasy football, spending their time masticating on the athletic feats of fit young men are fat, antisocial losers who would struggle to run single solitary kilometre without barfing up all their donuts down the front of their soiled and sticky tracky daks?

  101. You are a very literal person, aren’t you Dot. The Bard is a bit lost on you.

    Trump told the CIA they might get a “second chance” in Iraq. Google it.

  102. Tiny Dancer

    Back to the doughnuts lard arse.

  103. JC

    Monst, you need to listen to Tiny.

  104. JC

    This dude, Gavin Mcinnes is very funny. Hadn’t heard of him before.

    Overall I cannot recommend violence enough. It is a very effective way to solve problems.

    Manhattan is the elephant’s graveyard for ovaries.

  105. Rev. Archibald

    You are a very literal person, aren’t you Dot. The Bard is a bit lost on you.

    ..
    No Monty. You are confused. You seem to be flopping about between the Caesar of Shakespeare and the actual historical figure:
    ..

    Historians have often wondered what would have happened if Caesar had not been betrayed

    ..
    And:

    The ides of November are come

    ..

    So which is it.
    Are you making an historical comparison between Caesar and Trump, or employing poetic license?
    Either way, it’s stupid, opaque crud.

  106. .

    m0nty
    #2295239, posted on February 13, 2017 at 9:09 pm
    You are a very literal person, aren’t you Dot. The Bard is a bit lost on you.

    Trump told the CIA they might get a “second chance” in Iraq. Google it.

    What a literal line of inquiry monty!

    Daesh partly occupies Iraq. Calm down.

  107. Rev. Archibald

    No, you can’t do both in the same post.
    Have some sense of style.

  108. This is hyperbole. The US is a Federal system with strong local government and as for Senate confirmation, who got rid of cloture? Harry Reid. He, Pelosi and Obama Caesar decided to change the Senate rules and now it has bitten them on their rear ends.

    These snotty arrogant cocksuckers stacked the deck with 3rd world voteherds, pushed black voters into swinging counties and expected to be in power forever.

    The left is the rot in civilisation, its egalitarianism is a retrograde force that threatens to unwind civilisation itself. The left’s gender equality is the final nail in the coffin of civilisation and unless this is reversed the world will be overrun by barbarians next century.

  109. No, you can’t do both in the same post.

    Yeah righto Cardinal Fang.

  110. Rev. Archibald

    You are hear by charged with being a gimp.
    How do you plead?

  111. Caveman

    Good fun well done monty. Good you have ago then be bottled all up inside. I think its more like an expression session , you get no points but you can still show your moves.

  112. A Lurker

    For Caesar the obsession was with Parthia

    Incorrect, throughout his life, Caesar’s obsession was with Alexander the Great, he only later turned to Parthia as it was a place that had long troubled Republican Rome.

    Caesar had plans to purge the Republican Senate;

    As far as I am aware (and I have read both Plutarch and Suetonius) and unlike others who had gone before him (Sulla and Marius) Caesar enacted no purges, in fact, after he crossed the Rubicon with his legions and approached Rome the Senate up and ran away, completely abandoning Rome.

    Mark Antony told them that Caesar’s lands were theirs…

    I don’t recollect that from my readings, however, I do know that the mob was turning against him notably because he was being portrayed as a king by his enemies – and Republican Romans loathed kings with a historical passion. However, after Caesar’s murder this is what they found out:

    Plutarch – Fall of the Roman Republic – Caesar – 68:

    “But when the will of Caesar was opened and it was found that he had given every Roman citizen a considerable gift, and when the multitude saw his body carried through the forum all disfigured with its wounds, they no longer kept themselves within the restraints of order and discipline, but after heaping round the body benches, railings, and tables from the forum, they set fire to them and burned it there; then, lifting blazing brands on high, they ran to the houses of the murderers with intent to burn them down, while others went every whither through the city seeking to seize the men themselves and tear them to pieces. [2] Not one of these came in their way, but all were well barricaded. There was a certain Cinna, however, one of the friends of Caesar, who chanced, as they say, to have seen during the previous night a strange vision. He dreamed, that is, that he was invited to supper by Caesar, and that when he excused himself, Caesar led him along by the hand, although he did not wish to go, but resisted. Now, when he heard that they were burning the body of Caesar in the forum, he rose up and went thither out of respect, although he had misgivings arising from his vision, and was at the same time in a fever. [3] At sight of him, one of the multitude told his name to another who asked him what it was, and he to another, and at once word ran through the whole throng that this man was one of the murderers of Caesar. For there was among the conspirators a man who bore this same name of Cinna, and assuming that this man was he, the crowd rushed upon him and tore him in pieces among them.1 [4] This more than anything else made Brutus and Cassius afraid, and not many days afterwards they withdrew from the city. What they did and suffered before they died, has been told in the Life of Brutus.”

    Btw, after Caesar was killed, his murderers all had nasty endings.

    Suetonius – Lives of the Twelve Caesars – Julius Caesar, 89

    Scarcely any of those who were accessary to his murder, survived him more than three years, or died a natural death. They were all condemned by the senate: some were taken off by one accident, some by another. Part of them perished at sea, others fell in battle; and some slew themselves with the same poniard with which they had stabbed Caesar.

  113. A Lurker

    p.s. Clarification on Parthia – Caesar did not go to war against Parthia, he instead made plans to attack the State but his murder happened first. So Monty’s allegation that Caesar was obsessed by Parthia is totally incorrect. I don’t know from where Monty has drawn his knowledge of history, but it certainly isn’t the original sources. I suspect, that like all Regressives of his type, Monty possesses a very flawed understanding of history, and then reflects that distortion onto the real world.

    Poor Monty, back to the history books for you.

  114. Tel

    Poor Monty, back to the history books for you.

    He never looked at any history books to begin with.

    In his own imagination he is sitting partway between Shakespeare and Henry Ford…

  115. All I can picture now, re monty, is his stumbling around in a toga among a field of rakes.

  116. Cannibal

    Guest Post: m0nty Trump’s counterfactual imaginary presidency: Caesar lives!

    fixed

  117. Slayer of Memes

    For Caesar the obsession was with Parthia, for Trump it centres on Iran and Iraq… which is the same place. Caesar had plans to purge the Republican Senate; Trump has been largely ignoring them so far in favour of

    Parthia…was fought by Crassus. Caesar left Parthia lone. Most Romans learnt not to fight Parthia and Parthia learnt not to provoke Rome.

    Monty once again proving his credentials as a student of history and, just like last time (Custer at the Alamo), finding that giant rake that always seems to be lurking nearby…

    Hey Monty! Maybe if you cut back on the donuts and did a little exercise to get rid of that fat gut of yours so you can see your own feet, you might also be able to see those rakes before you stand on them…

  118. A Lurker

    Meanwhile Monty has gone AWOL.

  119. BorisG

    Trump lost the popular vote bigly

    Monty when you start on this ridiculous popular vote meme, it just shows you are not serious.

    Popular vote would only matter if it were an official method of deterimining the winner. As it is, many people in safe Dem and GOP states just do not bother to vote.

  120. Monty when you start on this ridiculous popular vote meme, it just shows you are not serious.

    We were discussing legitimacy. It is a valid subject in that context.

  121. Old School Conservative

    We were discussing legitimacy. It is a valid subject in that context.

    Not at all. The legitimately elected President is the person who wins the electoral college.
    Even Wikipedia agrees: The United States Electoral College is the mechanism established by the United States Constitution for the indirect election of the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States.
    Full stop. QED. Finito.

    Perhaps the final (paraphrased) word should belong to Sean Connery in “The Rock”: Losers always whine about their popular vote. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

  122. We have just gone through eight years of Kenyan Usurper talk at the Cat. I don’t need a lecture from Wikipedia about legitimacy.

  123. A Lurker

    We have just gone through eight years of Kenyan Usurper talk at the Cat. I don’t need a lecture from Wikipedia about legitimacy.

    If the American Presidential Election hinged entirely on the popular vote then Trump’s campaign strategy would, I dare say, have been quite different. Since it depended on the Electoral College, then he strategised accordingly. Thus he won. Full stop. QED. Finito.

    p.s. Monty, I recommend reading the works of Classical scholars and authors, so that next time you won’t beclown yourself so utterly when you try to construct an analogy from history.

  124. mh

    If the American Presidential Election hinged entirely on the popular vote then Trump’s campaign strategy would, I dare say, have been quite different. Since it depended on the Electoral College, then he strategised accordingly. Thus he won. Full stop. QED. Finito.

    Anyone arguing otherwise is just trolling and should be banned.

  125. Slayer of Memes

    Monty when you start on this ridiculous popular vote meme, it just shows you are not serious.

    We were discussing legitimacy. It is a valid subject in that context.

    Ironically Monty is in favour of ‘the popular vote’ when it favours his side…

    When it favours the conservative side (like in the last two state elections in South Australia… or even the 2010 Federal election), he enjoys jeering at the idea of the highest popular vote being declared government…

    Double standards. Hypocrite…. LEFTISM!

  126. PrettyPowerful

    Monty. I love your stuff. It is so ….pathetic.

  127. Roger

    Interesting that so many here are trying to logically undermine Monty’s post. Monty is clearly an ideological lefty. Trying logical or rational debate with him is like trying it with an IS suicide bomber or a rusted on Collingwood supporter. There is no rational or logical basis to his belief system in the first place so you are not going to get him to change his mind. He will simply either ignore your points, or pick some minor issue and demand detailed proof. He will then ignore any proof you laboriously dig up and meanwhile be on to some other attempt to undermine your own belief system. It has been the classic modus operandi of the left for decades now. What his post DOES do is reveal the strange parallel universe his mind lives in. A reminder that having the left in charge really is putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum!

  128. Monty is clearly an ideological lefty.

    That may be so on some issues, but on this one I am pushing a quintessentially conservative line, which is presumably why Sinclair posted it. To argue on behalf of a chaos agent who is hollowing out democratic and legal institutions, as many regular Cats have in this thread, is to position yourself as a bomb-throwing anarchist. You are not conservatives any more.

  129. .

    To argue on behalf of a chaos agent who is hollowing out democratic and legal institutions, as many regular Cats have in this thread, is to position yourself as a bomb-throwing anarchist.

    This is ridiculous.

    What has Trump hollowed out? Reid got rid of the cloture.

    You are not conservatives any more.

    monty you and I are not conservatives.

  130. What has Trump hollowed out?

    He’s barely started, but he’s targeting the courts, press, bureaucracy and general norms of the office. He conducted a foreign policy meeting with nuclear policy implications in the dining room at his hotel and read classified documents through the illumination of nearby cellphones, FFS. He gives not a tinker’s cuss for institutions.

    monty you and I are not conservatives.

    Speak for yourself, Dot.

  131. .

    He’s barely started

    Indeed. Your argument is hollow.

    You are not a conservative monty. Just stop this rot.

  132. A Lurker

    He’s barely started, but he’s targeting the courts, press, bureaucracy and general norms of the office…He gives not a tinker’s cuss for institutions.

    Good! There is no use trying to save American institutions in their current state.

    What Monty fails to realise is that Trump is an Exterminator and he’s just begun to march through institutions that are presently riddled with Marxist and Regressive Termites. Institutions cannot be rebuilt or repaired if a Termite nest is still active in them. Thus you need a competent Exterminator.

  133. Ah yes Lurker, I see you subscribe to the Great Chain of Being theory. How quaint.

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