Tuesday Forum: February 14, 2017

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  1. Tintarella di Luna

    “Gillard NDIS surcharge”. Ram home the offender’s name at all opportunities.

    Yes indeed that’s exactly what it should be called. Well they brought in a flood levy which as far as I know still applies because the tax didn’t ever go back down on those who were paying it. And remembering the Wivenhoe Dam was flooded because the operators believed the numpties including those in government that the dams would never fill again. Utter incompetence and the poor sucker taxpayers pay and pay and pay.

    So sorry that this NDIS has turned into that Gillard designed it to turn into — the waste is unfreakingbelievable — what is being done by barely literate ‘planners’ is a travesty while Ms G gets all her benefits and then some. (Adjective) Expletive (Noun) Expletive

  2. C.L.

    All rather grubby just to protect Worner who should have been fired with her.

    Fired for what?

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    Don’t forget it was bipartisan policy though.

    But no bipartisanship in its creation; not bipartisan input into the design, implementation and eligibility criteria, only in about March, 2013 did Gillard even acknowledge that the Opposition even supported it.

    Of course we all know who owns it Labor does, remember Skywhale shrieking ownership across the chamber if only for the sound and vision, on second thoughts no, better not.

  4. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Only if they make it a stand alone tax like the GST or the Medicare levy and call it the “Gillard NDIS surcharge”. Ram home the offender’s name at all opportunities.

    Just like the Victorian Liberals should have ensured that every water bill had in itemised “Desalination standby levy” with the applicable cost itemised.

    Of course they didn’t.

    (Maximum points for the Liberals – short of cancelling the contract as soon as they could – would have been to request the minimum order quantity of water, wait for the inevitable failure to deliver on time, and then cancel the contract.)

  5. Snoopy

    The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd Debt Repayment Surcharge?

  6. Rabz

    No Snoops, more like The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Waffler Debt Repayment Surcharge.

  7. Tintarella di Luna

    All rather grubby just to protect Worner who should have been fired with her.

    Fired for what?

    I don’t think you can be fired for a consensual sexual affair with an adult Mata Hari.

  8. Snoopy

    Seriously, Turnbull should give up worrying about debt and deficit in the short term. Not enough voters give a rats. The goal must be for socialists to lose control of the Senate. Just go to the next election promising massive tax cuts. Forget everything else.

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The ol’ Philippa refrain: anyone who gets nekkid with someone who they barely know (or worse, who they know is technically unavailable), especially where there is alcohol involved, is a complete idiot.

    Fact check: true.
    Also true: pubic crabs may not be the worst of it.

  10. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Waffler is on a history tour – The Fall of Singapore. Shorten to follow I imagine, with deep regret, that the Japanese advance could have been halted if the allies had poisoned the waterholes and air dropped infected blankets.

  11. John64

    No Snoops, more like The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Waffler Debt Repayment Surcharge.

    Surely the critical role played by the World’s Greatest Treasurer(TM) aka Goose Swansteen must also be acknowledged?

  12. Gab

    Has the Waffler taken Shorten to task over his ahistorical blanket comments of yesterday?

  13. Geriatric Mayfly

    Answer Gab – No. However, I suspect it may be woven into a mischievous question at some stage.

  14. Roger

    Seriously, Turnbull should give up worrying about debt and deficit in the short term. Not enough voters give a rats.

    Invoice every man, woman and child in the country for $20 000 – their share in the national debt at present – and advise that interest will be calculated daily and see if that apathy doesn’t turn into white hot anger.

    Or,

    No representation without taxation!

    Stop the rot that compulsory voting is inflicting on the nation.

  15. None

    I don’t think you can be fired for a consensual sexual affair with an adult Mata Hari.

    Paying a bonus to an E A whose boss never requested one, but an EA you are nevertheless screwing but never speak to at work…yeah innocent as a lamb. Shareholders rejoice the CEO is so generous. That little series of texts where she expressed a wish to end the relationship and Worner’s reply and subsequent actions spell sexual predation …er… harrassment to me. Her ‘fragile’ state slso allegedly SVM’s reason for 100k plus $200k payout. ehy fragile over consensual affair you wanted to end? Hmm. What SVM cannot answer. If this was all consensual, private, nothing to do with anyone then why did they demand the return and/or destruction of sms and emails exchanged between them? Keep digging that hole. Adultery by definition involves lies and deception. If you are prepared to cheat on your spouse you will cheat about anything. Human nature 101. History 502.

  16. None

    By the way, even SWM HR manager badhered Harrison re letting Worner use her for sex. Love the sistahood. If the patriarchal bastards don’t screw you hard enough, they will.

  17. Combine Dave

    My son in law has sent out the word he doesn’t want us to discuss politics with the grandkids. He is a Socialist of course, so no chance. We have also not got to give them sugar.

    Smile.

    Agree.

    Ignore. 🙂

    Why try to politically indoctrinate poor little kids? There’s enough ideologues in the world running around, visiting Bahnisch BBQs etc..

    Far better to teach them the value of hard work, integrity and honour.

    These things are naturally vaccines to the diseases of the mind such as socialism or libertarianism.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Did you spend your school years reading Ginger Meggs under the desk or something? Instead of paying attention?

    Biggles, actually.

  19. Stimpson J. Cat

    Watch the bloke with white shirt, dark jacket and trousers.
    I think it’s Stimpy.

    Being Trans-racial I am Asian.
    It is not me however.
    It’s my Uncle Chang.

  20. None

    I am all for invoicing, Roger. But a great many flabby brained morons would just pay it. Centrelink counts on public dullness for their dodgy debt letters. Who cares if 1/5th are wrong? 95% of people will just blithely pay up because they are stapled to the teat and/or do not have the wherewithal to challenge.

  21. thefrolickingmole

    From what little I had read on the pewdiepie bulldust I thought hed reincarnated Hitler.

    In actual fact he was mocking Nazis.

    The videos did not directly promote Nazi ideology, instead using the imagery and phrasing of fascism for its shock value alone. Kjellberg says that the video with the banner, for instance, was created to show “how crazy the modern world is”: he had paid the two men to make the sign and video using the freelance marketplace Fiverr.

    “I understand that these jokes were ultimately offensive,” he said in a blogpost on Sunday. “As laughable as it is to believe that I might actually endorse these people, to anyone unsure on my standpoint regarding hate-based groups: No, I don’t support these people in any way.”

    Whatever you do dont let Disney see “The Producers”, Im hoping Mel Brooks still has one more good movie in him.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I refused to believe that any place on Earth was named “Banff”

    Zulu, your education was clearly deficient.

    I acknowledge the deficiencies of my education. I learned how to read, write, do sums and calculate compound interest. I did not learn about social justice, Green principles, or anything to do with the environment.

  23. Geriatric Mayfly

    The man in the new, blue, sapphire suit. Barnaby’s observation of Shorten’s sartorial splendour.

  24. Pyrmonter

    Sound, if perhaps a bit early:

    “Time For Trump To Resign?
    by Richard A. Epstein
    via Defining Ideas (Hoover Institution)
    Monday, February 13, 2017
    The nearly four weeks since President Donald Trump’s inauguration have been the most divisive period of American politics since the end of the Second World War. The sharp lines that everyone is drawing in the sand pose a serious threat to the United States. On the one side stand many conservatives and populists who are rejoicing in the Trump victory as the salvation of a nation in decline. On other side sit the committed progressives who are still smarting from an election in which they were trounced in the electoral college, even as Hillary Clinton garnered a clear majority of the popular vote.

    As a classical liberal who did not vote for either candidate, I stand in opposition to both groups. And after assessing Trump’s performance during the first month of his presidency, I think it is clear that he ought to resign. However, it important to cut through the partisan hysteria to identify both what Trump is doing right and wrong in order to explain my assessment of his presidency to date.

    On the positive side is the simple fact that Trump won the election. What is right about Trump is what was wrong with Clinton—her promise to continue, and even expand, the policies of the Obama administration. The day after the election, it was clear that none of her policy proposals would be implemented under a Trump presidency, coupled with a Republican Congress. As I have long argued, there are good reasons to critique the progressive world view. Progressives believe that reduced levels of taxation and a strong dose of deregulation would do little or nothing to advance economic growth. In their view, only monetary and fiscal policy matter for dealing with sluggish growth, so they fashion policy on the giddy assumption that their various schemes to advance union power, consumer protection, environmental, insurance, and financial market regulation—among others—only affect matters of distribution and fairness, but will have no discernible effect on economic growth. In making this assumption, they assume, as did many socialists and New Dealers in the 1930s, that it is possible to partition questions of justice and redistribution from those of economic prosperity.

    In taking this position, they fail to account for how administrative costs, major uncertainty, and distorted incentives affect capital formation, product innovation, and job creation. Instead, today’s progressives have their own agenda for wealth creation that includes such remedies as a $15 minimum wage, stronger union protections, and an equal pay law with genuine bite. But these policies will necessarily reduce growth by imposing onerous barriers on voluntary exchange. The fact that there was any economic growth at all under the Obama administration—and even then, it was faltering and anemic—had one cause: the Republican Congress that blocked the implementation of further progressive policies and advanced a pro-growth agenda.

    Sadly, both President Obama and his various administrative heads pushed hard on the regulatory levers that were still available to them. And so we got a Department of Labor (DOL) decision to raise the exemption levels under the Fair Labor Standards Act from just over $23,000 to just over $47,000, in ways that would have disrupted, without question, several major segments of the economy for whom the statutory definition of an hour does not serve as a workable measure of account. Thus, at one stroke, DOL compromised the status of graduate students, whose studies and work are often inseparable; of tech employees, whose compensation often comes in the form of deferred stock payments; and of gig workers, who are employed by the job and not the hour. At the same time, the general counsel of the National Labor Relations Board has taken steps to wreck highly successful, long-term franchising arrangements, by announcing henceforth that the franchisor may on a case-by-case basis be treated as an employer subject to the collective bargaining obligations of the NLRA. These, and similar decisions, are acts of wealth destruction, and they offer one powerful explanation, among many, for the decline in the labor participation rate to its lowest levels since World War II.

    The misguided opposition to the Trump administration extends far more broadly. I was an advisor to the MAIN coalition (Midwest Alliance for Infrastructure Now) in the now successful effort to undo the roadblocks that the Obama administration put in the path of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and still find it incomprehensible that any administration could engage in a set of collusive rearguard actions to block a pipeline that met or exceeded every government standard in terms of need, safety, and historical and environmental protection. The handwringing of the Obama administration over the Keystone XL pipeline was equally inexcusable. Two expertly crafted executive orders from the Trump administration removed the roadblocks simply by allowing the standard review processes of the Army Corps of Engineers and other agencies to run their course. Nonetheless, virtually every initiative to deregulate that comes from the Trump administration is greeted with howls of protest, whether the topic be healthcare, banking, brokerage, or consumer protection. Yet these very deregulations explain why the stock market has surged: collectively, they will help revive a stagnant economy.

    Worse still are the attacks on the integrity and independence of Judge Neil Gorsuch from most, but not all, progressives. Georgetown University’s Neal Katyal should be singled out for his praise of Gorsuch as a person and a judge. Unfortunately, the vast majority of progressives, like Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, wail that Gorsuch is not a mainstream judge, is not sufficiently supportive of progressive ideals, and, most critically, is not Judge Merrick Garland. The United States sails in treacherous waters when members of either party think that any judge appointed by the opposition is not fit for service on the United States Supreme Court unless he publicly denounces the President who nominated him for that high office. I have long believed that any nominee should be judged on his or her record, without being called on to play rope-a-dope before hostile senators who only wish to bait, trap, and embarrass the nominee.

    It seems clear that if President Trump went about his job in a statesmanlike manner, the progressive counterattack would surely fail, and a sane Republican party could gain the support of a dominant share of the electorate for at least the next two election cycles, if not more.

    Yet there are deeper problems, because President Trump’s anti-free trade agenda will hurt—if not devastate—the very people whom he wants to help. Extensive trade between the United States and Mexico is indispensable for the prosperity of both countries. The looming trade war threatens that win/win position. The notion that the United States should run positive trade balances with every country is an absurd position to take in international economic relations, lest every country has the right to claim the same preferred status for itself. Yet it has never occurred to Trump that a negative trade balance amounts to a vote of confidence by other countries that it is safe to invest in the United States, allowing the United States to create new industries and new jobs. Nor does he understand that any effort to be successful in the export market requires importing cheap components from foreign firms—an oversight evident from his ill-conceived executive order calling, whenever legal, for American pipe on an American pipelines. If our trade partners retaliate, the current stock market surge will take on a different complexion. The Dow may be high, but the variation in future prices will be high as well. If Congress thwarts his anti-trade agenda, the domestic reforms should yield lasting benefits. If Congress caves, or if Trump works by aggressive executive order, the entire system could come tumbling down.

    Speaking of executive orders, the President’s hasty and disastrous order dealing with immigrants has vast implications for America’s position in the world. In a global economy, the United States cannot afford to let petty protectionism keep the best talent from coming here for education and staying later for work. I, for one, believe that his executive order exceeds his executive powers. Others, like Michael McConnell, disagree. But no matter which way one comes down on its legality, nothing excuses its faulty rollout, petty nationalism, exaggerated fears of terrorism, and disruptive economic effects. The Trump administration agenda desperately needs to be rethought from the ground up by a deliberative process in which the President relies on his Cabinet.

    So the question remains: does Trump remain his own worst enemy? My fears are that he is too rigid and too uneducated to make the necessary shift to good leadership. By taking foolish and jingoist stances, Trump has done more than any other human being alive today to bring a sensible classical liberal agenda into disrepute. Then there is the matter of his character. The personal moral failings of the President include his vicious tweets, his self-righteous attitude, his shameless self-promotion, his petty resentments, his immoral flirtation with Vladimir Putin, his nonstop denigration of federal judges, his jawboning of American businesses, his predilection for conspiracy theories, his reliance on alternative facts, and his vindictive behavior toward his political opponents.

    Hence, I think that there is ample reason to call for Trump’s resignation, even though I know full well that my advice will not be heeded. And this welcome outcome will not happen so long as the attack against him comes solely from progressive Democrats. Sensible Republicans should focus on the threat that he represents to their plan, and recall that the alternative is no longer Hillary Clinton, but Mike Pence. I think that Pence is unlikely to abandon the positive aspects of the Trump agenda, and there is some reason to hope that he will back off Trump’s suicidal positions on trade and immigration, and put a stop to the endless train of uncivil behaviors demeaning the office of the President. Some miracles happen, but a Trump transformation will not be one of them. Unfortunately, his excesses could power a progressive revival. Would that I had the power to say to Trump, “You’re fired!”

    http://www.hoover.org/research/time-trump-resign

  25. The Federal Government has floated the prospect of raising taxes to help pay for the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS)

    I explained three years ago that the NDIS will ultimately be paid for a Medicare-style levy on your Super. That’s why the “I” in NDIS stands for “Insurance”. This is from an article posted today on the ABC on NDIS funding:

    Shadow families minister Jenny Macklin points to a 2013/14 budget paper which showed the money would come from an increase in the Medicare levy, reforms to Private Health Insurance and retirement incomes and a range of “selected long-term savings”.

    Now just which “retirement incomes” and “selected long-term savings” do you think they are referring to?

  26. Infidel Tiger

    Sound, if perhaps a bit early:

    No. Stop embarrassing yourself.

    It’s quite obvious that the elite Establishment and their propaganda arm the MSM are trying the old “chaos reigns” line to discredit Trump.

    You should just be quiet. All going well you won’t ewnd up hanging from piano wire, because that is the logical next step. The bow tie spinners and the elite don’t realize that they are hated and will most likely die vicious and wholly justified deaths.

  27. Infidel Tiger

    Anyone that actually cares about the western world should be white hot angry that Obama and his minions in the public service and activist outposts, Soros and the MSM are colluding to undermine the elected US Government with fake news, lawfare and complete and utter lies.

    There’s a coup underway

  28. thefrolickingmole

    Pyrmonter

    Id disagree, hes basicly saying the repubs should be happy they got elected, but now need to dispose of Trump as a “stalking horse” to appease the left.

    Conveniently allowing the Cuckservitives to continue the “business as usual” model of implementing Democrat policies a fraction slower then they would.

  29. None

    I noted three years ago that NDIS was a giant ponzi scheme and a cruel hoax. I was furious when bleeding heart Abbott signed up for it instead of pointing out states have or should have a simple voucher system.

  30. Sound, if perhaps a bit early:

    I couldn’t even finish that article, the sound of spinning bowties was so loud.

  31. Pyrmonter

    IT – he’s the biggest threat to the GOP and sound government since … well, at least Obama. The very problems that made such weak presidencies of Bush 2nd and Obama are overtaking Trump, who’s even less well placed to deal with them.

  32. Who would ever have thought Derryn Hinch would go back on his word?
    From the Oz:
    Kim Carr has told The Australian there was an “absolutely explicit commitment on industrial relations and workers rights” which Derryn Hinch — now a crossbench Senator — had agreed to in return for receiving Labor preferences.
    So we have a secret deal, Hinch agreeing to vote against the ABCC, labor preferences directed to Hinch, and now Hinch backflipping.
    The hard hitting Paul Murray will no doubt be all over this in his next show.

  33. Rockdoctor

    I have no knowledge of the NDIS but a colleague who is now going through it for his toddler son is scathing of it. Says it is a scandalous waste of money that is being spent on consultancies and new public servants. He was forced off the CDS scheme provided by Queensland Health on to it last year and in 6 months he just is starting to get to the business end for his child.

    It started with a meeting with a private provider who puts all the paperwork to “claim” in and asks what services you require, he quipped well you are meant to tell me that I’m not a doctor. Apparently this is one of the areas where people will get caught, if you don’t “claim” for a service, revisiting the claim is not easy. He then had to get advice on what to “claim” and come back to formulate a plan. Once decided it was submitted to a Government agency for approval. This took months, little boy now not getting any treatment.

    Claim comes back approved, now he has to go to a third agency (Private again) to administer the plan and he has to pick the specialists from an approved list. He now is at that stage and is furiously trying to find out who is good and who isn’t. His opinion, this isn’t going to be good for anyone but consultancies that are making a motza off this and how many more Public Servants this has added to the payroll in Canberra. He said CDS Queensland was doing a good job but was forced into this. He’s not happy.

  34. custard

    From Australian Conservatives today:

    Dear custard,

    Thank you for your interest in being a future Australian Conservatives candidate.
    I have noted your details in our database, and we will be in touch at a suitable time in the future.

    We appreciate your support.

    Kind regards,

    Australian Conservatives

  35. dweezy2176

    You are also free to withhold the – presumably cost-free – child-minding service you are providing …

    Doesn’t work! I tried this during school holidays over a in-my-daughter’s-mind dispute .. end result no grand-kids for 5 weeks .. would have been simpler to let her win whatever -it-was back then rather than yesterday .. still no idea what we were arguing about but now I have the kids back on-board as of today!

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    The ol’ Philippa refrain: anyone who gets nekkid with someone who they barely know (or worse, who they know is technically unavailable), especially where there is alcohol involved, is a complete idiot.

    Yep that’s me.
    Would you like to make a booking?
    😆

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    From what little I had read on the pewdiepie bulldust I thought hed reincarnated Hitler.

    Old people simply do not understand.

    This internet is the frontline where the battle for free speech is being fought.

    These young kids get it.

    If you cannot joke about everything, you have no free speech.

  38. Empire GTHO Phase III

    I couldn’t even finish that article, the sound of spinning bowties was so loud.

    +1

  39. struth

    Sound, if perhaps a bit early:

    Sounds like crap.
    This partisan hack is trying the usual lefty trick of appearing non bias and above it all.
    The fact that he quotes lefty lies as facts about Trump is all you need to know.
    The only tariffs are against two countries that need their arses kicked.
    And he is only threatening it so far.
    Please give us proof of this out right protectionism the left bullshit on about, because they can’t for the life of them admit that he is going to grow American jobs by getting government of their backs.
    He is going to make America competitive again and the left know it will work.
    Making America a cheap place to do business is not protectionism.
    Say the word slowly…….
    I will type it slow.
    Com….pe ..
    No wrong.
    Try again.
    Com….pe…tit…..

    No don’t giggle.

    Com….pet…..ition.

    Competition.
    See there.
    It’s not so scary is it?
    They cannot have this basic economic fact be seen or experienced.
    They went to cultural Marxism because the expected revolution of workers in capitalist countries never came.
    The Frankfurt School.
    Alinsky.
    Bitter twisted socialist arseholes.
    They know capitalism and competition and small government works.
    It creates wealth.
    They are not interested in wealth.
    They are interested in control.
    Wealthy people do not revolt for socialism and totalitarian states.
    The left know it, and if Trump succeeds it will set their agenda back maybe a hundred years.

  40. Senile Old Guy

    Did you spend your school years reading Ginger Meggs under the desk or something?

    Biggles, actually.

  41. C.L.

    Adultery by definition involves lies and deception.

    It’s not illegal to cheat on your wife.
    It is illegal to steal a quarter of a million dollars.

  42. Senile Old Guy

    Did you spend your school years reading Ginger Meggs under the desk or something? Instead of paying attention?

    Biggles, actually.

    Retry…

    I did the same. Flip top desks made it easier.

  43. Empire GTHO Phase III

    even though I know full well that my advice will not be heeded.

    The only time Epstein talks sense is when he assesses his own influence. Jerkov.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    IT – he’s the biggest threat to the GOP and sound government since

    He’s been President for 4 weeks and you’ve already lost your mind. The next 8 years are going to be awful for the scumbags who got us here.

  45. H B Bear

    His opinion, this isn’t going to be good for anyone but consultancies that are making a motza off this and how many more Public Servants this has added to the payroll in Canberra.

    Sounds like Therese should get back to Australia for a double dip. Leaving KRuddy in NYC as global toilet monitor would be an added bonus.

  46. Infidel Tiger

    I note that Richard Epstein agreed with the the 9th Circus, thus putting him at odds with every serious legal mind and constitutional scholar in the US.

    He’s been calling for Trump’s resignation before he was even sworn in.

    The Hoover Institute (like all think tanks it should be noted) is nothing more than a churn and burn outfit for fund raising, grifting and providing oodles of cash to losers who have nothing to offer the real world.

    Trump could do worse than siccing the IRS on to all these scam outfits.

  47. test pattern

    McGowan will shit it in.

    https://www.markmcgowan.com.au/news/new-cbd-school-solution-will-create-jobs-and-resolve-student-enrolment-pressures-1296

    https://www.change.org/p/western-australian-labor-party-academic-excellence-stays-at-perth-modern-say-no-to-a-high-rise-school

    This is our school, the reason we relocated the family to Perth temporarily to educate the eldest -and hopefully one or two others. My wife went to the parents meeting. Some have donated large sums in the last few years for new buildings, thinking they were contributing to a legacy, a tradition. Elitist, perhaps. They have a right to feel angry. Yet, they are in a small minority.

    The McGowan plan is vulnerable on a few fronts and ill-thought. The ‘rooftop outdoor recreation’ is worrying. Yet most of the gifted and talented kids – Perth Mod is the only fully selective school in WA – have an Asian background and sports are not high on the agenda for them, or their parents, so the loss of proper outdoor facilities isn’t an issue.

    The parking situation at the old school is already intolerable and the narrow road is difficult to drive down without pinging someone’s rear vision mirror, and no scope for widening. McGowan’s plan will only make it worse. The kids have been told not to organise protests on school grounds. They needn’t have worried – the kids aren’t even interested in the issue.

    Just 300 signatures against. McGowan will shit it in.

  48. Few things make me more suspicious than the claim, I’m a classical liberal.

  49. C.L.

    Yes, this is a coup:

    Ethics office urges action against Kellyanne Conway for peddling Ivanka Trump products.

    The US Office of Government Ethics says the White House should consider disciplinary action against presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway for appearing to violate government ethics rules by publicly endorsing Ivanka Trump products.

    In a letter dated Monday and addressed to a White House ethics official, the ethics office asked President Donald Trump’s administration to investigate the incident and gave it two weeks to provide its findings and detail any disciplinary steps taken.

    Ms Conway, Mr Trump’s presidential campaign manager and now a senior adviser, told Americans on Fox News that they should “go buy Ivanka’s stuff” after retailer Nordstrom announced it was dropping the branded line of Ivanka Trump, the president’s older daughter.

    Incredibly, the Wiki page of the “US Office of Government Ethics” has only one paragraph:

    Trump conflicts of interest

    A series of tweets on 30 November 2016 from the office’s official Twitter account praised President-elect Donald Trump for planning to divest his business holdings in order to resolve potential conflicts of interest, following an announcement where Trump reaffirmed his intent to take himself out of business operations, despite him having made no firm commitment to a divestment like selling his businesses or a blind trust. A number of observers speculated that the office’s account might have been hacked, a suggestion it later denied. The New York Times suggested that the apparent misunderstanding behind the postings were deliberately intended to reveal the independent agency had advised Trump’s legal counsel that a divestment was the only adequate remedy for resolving any conflict, and, by extension, pressure Trump into doing so. A Freedom of Information Act request by news organization The Daily Dot revealed that OGE Director Walter M. Shaub personally ordered officials within the agency to post the 9 tweets.

  50. Old School Conservative
    #2296999, posted on February 15, 2017 at 9:12 am
    Any “conservative” politicians standing up for the founders of our country today? Have we heard a spirited defence of the early settlers from any elected LNP member? Has there been one, just one, attack on Shorten’s hysterical allegations? Where are the demands for BS to publish his sources?
    Their silence implies agreement. Turnbull’s class war attack on Shorten was just a feint with no actual contact. When the opposition leaves their jaw open to an uppercut and you don’t take it, you deserve to be bashed yourself.

    Hear, hear.
    As I said yesterday Shortarse should be given 48 hours to produce credible and verifiable sources for his claims or he should be charged with hate speech. This is no different to the Australia Day attempt to have Abbott assassinated by angry Abo’s after they were lied to by the Slapper’s minions. Use the weapons of the left against them. Not much would come of reporting him to the police for hate speech since they are compromised by SJW retards but the move itself would generate publicity and send a warning shot.
    Don’t expect any of our useless echo chamber cuckservative organisations or LINO pollies to do or say anything though. Come on Cory or PHON, at some point you need to take a stand and start punching back.

  51. calli

    Uh oh.

    “Let me say that again. In 2017, in Australia, in a club that promotes itself as championing our values and respect for our national heritage, men are expected to urinate on Aboriginals.”

    Sue Cody worrying about the men’s urinals. Makes a refreshing change from blokes in the Ladies’.

    H/t Blair

  52. calli

    I wonder how Filth prefers to be addressed?

    “I say! You there! Yes you. Filth!”

  53. JC

    Traders blog.
    I tend to agree with some spare the conspiracies.. Trump has serious problems if the spy agencies are taping his administration in order to leak it to the fake news media It could cause a collapse.

    Having time to digest all of the news flow emanating out from the orifices of DC, I am fairly convinced the show Homeland is art imitating real life. The new President, who happens to be a woman, actually represents Trump’s ideologies. I suppose the writers wanted to make sure they accurately portrayed the US elections, without having the benefit of knowing who’d win, by casting a female who represented Trump.

    In the show, the CIA is spying on her, eavesdropping to find out how she intends to fuck them up. In regards to General Flynn, I imagine something similar occurred, protected under the excuse that they acquired Flynn’s conversations because they had already been monitoring Russia — due to MUH hacking.

    Flynn must’ve said something stupid. They came to Trump and menaced him with the evidence, which was partly leaked to the press. He agreed to fire Flynn and also get tougher on Russia — which is why Spicer talked extreme shit about them today.

    See where this is going?

    Obama was a hard core leftist.

    Bush was a quintessential neocon.

    Clinton was a leftist, although much more pragmatic than Obama — but a leftist nonetheless.

    Bush Sr. was a fucking bastard neocon.

    You see where this is going.

    The government is embedded with people who despise everything Trump represents. It doesn’t matter to them that he won the election and the people want change. They’re not interested in democracy, only power and influence. All of you leftards out there clamoring for Bannon and Conway to go next have a lot of company. I am sure the shills in the government are thinking up ways to get rid of them — in order to Rosemary Baby Trump and make him bend to their caprices — just like they did with Obama. If you recall, he was all about hope and change until they got their meat hooks into him.

    This is the deep state — the shadow government. The people who you didn’t elect who wields power and influence over the government, funded by people who believe in the cause — global dominance through military and economic expansion. The cost? A few lives of unimportant young men from the midwest.

    The bounty: an empire.

    They muddle their very obvious foreign policies using the cerements of cultural and social issues (race, gender, open borders, etc) — creating strawmen and demonizing people to the point that they’ve normalized violence for a large portion of the country who views ‘right wingers’ in the same light, literally, as Hitler. We haven’t had so many god damned Nazis in the world since 1941 — and they’re all here in Trump’s corner, apparently.

    We are living through absurd times, a political climate that appears to be hysterical and ironically unserious on the exterior — but very, very serious indeed on the inside. These people mean business and they won’t be governed easily by Trump.

    They’ve got the attack dog media in their corner — doing their bidding, whenever they call on them. The surveillance taking place is likely designed to ensnare Trump, which will then be leaked to the media, etc. We’ll keep repeating this loop over and over again until they get rid of them.

    OR

    He gets serious and truly makes an effort to drain the swamp. He’d have to run a very tight ship with serious people, like Bannon, and make zero mistakes.

    It should come as no surprise to anyone that markets are rejoicing in this turmoil, due to what it represents. While everyone is running around like their heads are on fire, complaining about Nazis and Russian hackers, Trump isn’t doing much of anything, other than make headlines.

    Where are the tax cuts?

    Where is the immigration control?

    Where is the wall?

    Where is the infrastructure bill?

    All of this requires the help of congress. Again, they’re all part of the uniparty and do not wish to upset the apple cart that the elite have enjoyed the past 30 years. These are the worst people imaginable, narcissistic pigs whose only concern is to advance their agendas and get rich.

    But don’t feel too bad. This cancerous form of government isn’t unique to the United States. The only chief difference between us and Assad’s Syria is that we do it with a smile, a nice suit, and have a sophsticated media dressing up our horrific actions as acts of kindness and peace.

  54. Infidel Tiger

    Sean Davis ‏@seanmdav 19m19 minutes ago

    It’s kind of disturbing how many Obama natsec sycophants think a man’s international experience/knowledge is a slur, rather than an asset.

    https://twitter.com/seanmdav

    Sean Davis is freaking excellent.

  55. C.L.

    I can understand why Obama appointee Walter Shaub, director of the fake US Office of Government Ethics, is lashing out at Republicans. The Atlantic reports that GOP bulldog, Jason Chaffetz, has written to the corrupt Shaub calling him before the House Oversight Committee to answer questions about his behaviour. Chaffetz has told Shaub he will be subpoenaed if he fails to show up.

  56. Anne

    Bruce 1:23pm

    No one likes possums, except me.

    I do.

    What a terrible story of carnage, Bruce.

    Why didn’t you save it?

    I’d have been down there swatting the bird with a broom!

  57. Infidel Tiger

    Clarence Freebish ‏@CutItOutPutin 50m50 minutes ago
    More
    @seanmdav @brhodes They flew a plane loaded with cash to Iran. That’s not a conspiracy theory.

    Unbelievable.

    I almost hope there is a coup. The inevitable blood letting will be one sided and will solve many problems. Bigly.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As I said yesterday Shortarse should be given 48 hours to produce credible and verifiable sources for his claims or he should be charged with hate speech

    Anyone else writing to their Member asking Bill Shorten to “put up or shut up?”

  59. Defund the USOoGE.
    Obviously they are a waste of the $31 million they are costing.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    Says the U.S. official who spent his honeymoon in Soviet Russia:

    Bernie Sanders @SenSanders
    We need an investigation into whether our foreign policy is being conducted in the best interests of America or to protect Russia.

    https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/831668297896701953

  61. test pattern

    ‘ “What will happen with the destroyed vehicles? Usually they end up in scrapyards, are stripped of valuable parts and components, and dumped,” said Wim Zwijnenburg, senior researcher at the Dutch NGO Pax. “This puts scrap-metal workers, most likely local civilians, at risk of exposure.”

    If there are few ideas for what post-Islamic State governance will resemble in eastern Syria, there are none at all about how to safely handle the depleted uranium that the U.S.-led coalition has placed into the environment.’

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-depleted-uranium-in-syria/

  62. I have no knowledge of the NDIS

    Nobody does. I still haven’t met a single person who can explain what it is, what it does or why it is needed. Obviously we know it is Fabian / Cloward-Piven strategy at it’s finest together with the usual money laundering of taxpayers money back to the crooked ALP via their crooked Unions. But the front that is presented to the people is as flaky and nebulous as ObamaCare. What was not being done by the States that required the Feds to step in and implement? Why could the existing State structures not be used / expanded to perform whatever it is the NDIS is supposed to be doing?
    This whole thing is going to be the Abo Industry all over again. Billions of dollars spent with a few crumbs reaching those who truly need it. Only the State could make trickle down economics a reality.

  63. Geriatric Mayfly

    Where will the public stoning take place? The Parliamentary forecourt, or at the MCG? 49 Muslim notables demand an apology because of Lambie’s performance on Q&A. As it’s paywalled, it is not clear if it is her or the ABC who should bend their knee before the Prophet(PBUH.)

  64. C.L.

    “Let me say that again. In 2017, in Australia, in a club that promotes itself as championing our values and respect for our national heritage, men are expected to urinate on Aboriginals.”

    Only if they’re on fire.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Traders blog.
    I tend to agree with some spare the conspiracies.. Trump has serious problems if the spy agencies are taping his administration in order to leak it to the fake news media It could cause a collapse.

    Obama’s shadow government is on a full court press at the moment.

  66. JC

    I almost hope there is a coup. The inevitable blood letting will be one sided and will solve many problems. Bigly.

    I’m not so sure our side would win after reading this, Artiste.

    https://status451.com/

  67. Geriatric Mayfly

    Air Hellair Filth! Much more cultured.

  68. None

    It’s not illegal to cheat on your wife.
    It is illegal to steal a quarter of a million dollars.

    It is illegal to steal full stop. After the first audit Harrison proved all but $14000 were office exoenses. E.g. two red leather chairs on the card -Worner photographed sitting in them in the office. SWM consequently paid her $100000 minus 14000 and promised her another job…. keep fucking that chicken.
    The proper thing to do was to sack both snd anyone who covered for them.

  69. test pattern

    ‘The Flynn imbroglio raises similar questions. Yesterday we learned that Acting Attorney General Sally Yates told “the White House counsel” late last month that she believed Flynn had misled senior administration officials about his Russian communications and “was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail.” As the Post notes, “It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.” In the coming days it will be crucial to ask what McGahn did with this information, and when, and why.’

    https://lawfareblog.com/spotlight-will-now-shift-white-house-counsel

  70. slow&easy

    Infidel Tiger
    #2297400, posted on February 15, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    All going well you won’t ewnd up hanging from piano wire, because that is the logical next step.

    There you go again with the piano wire.
    Are you by any chance in the piano wire business?
    Believe me a 1/4 in rope does the same nasty deed in the same painful way, upside is it only lasts a half a minute, tops.

  71. they’re all part of the uniparty and do not wish to upset the apple cart that the elite have enjoyed the past 30 years. These are the worst people imaginable, narcissistic pigs whose only concern is to advance their agendas and get rich.

    Welcome to Aussie party politics.

  72. “Let me say that again. In 2017, in Australia, in a club that promotes itself as championing our values and respect for our national heritage, men are expected to urinate on Aboriginals.”

    The tiles are on the wall, not in the urinals. Could someone please take this stupid bint into the men’s and demonstrate how and where men piss in the toilets.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not so sure our side would win after reading this, Artiste.

    https://status451.com/

    One of the bombers minions became the President of the US from 2009-2017 and wrote two biographies for him.

  74. Andreas

    I have no knowledge of the NDIS

    Nobody does. I still haven’t met a single person who can explain what it is, what it does or why it is needed.

    The Liberals could scrap it tomorrow without losing a single vote.

  75. JC

    Testes

    Yesterday we learned that Acting Attorney General Sally Yates told “the White House counsel” late last month that she believed Flynn had misled senior administration officials about his Russian communications and “was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail.” As the Post notes, “It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.” In the coming days it will be crucial to ask what McGahn did with this information, and when, and why.’

    1. The answer to that is easy. The White House counsel only has to say that because she’s regarded as a partisan rat and was leaving asap, nothing she said would hold any cred with the new administration. Therefore they were awaiting new personnel to review the case.

    2. But more importantly, what should be asked, is how this xunt got hold of the information and who passed ot to her.

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The tiles are on the wall, not in the urinals. Could someone please take this stupid bint into the men’s and demonstrate how and where men piss in the toilets.

    Leaving aside the inconvenient truth that the wall is at a 90 degree angle to the urinal, the men this stupid bint associates with, probably use the transgender dunny, anyway.

  77. I have no knowledge of the NDIS

    Nobody does. I still haven’t met a single person who can explain what it is, what it does or why it is needed.

    This question was asked in an interview that appeared on the ABC. The answer was given by way of an example. The example was somebody living in Outer Woop Woop who needed a wheelchair and it took six weeks for them to get one. This was “unacceptable”. The NDIS would address serious shortcomings like this, in the existing support systems.

  78. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now, if those tiles were in the wimmin’s toilets, there would be no comment. And if there was, it would be along the lines of tasteful decor, subtle lighting and how thoughtful it is of staff to match the toilet paper with the main motifs in the tiles themselves.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Almost certainly Flynn was targeted over his knowledge of Obama’s Iran deal.

    There is a cold coup happening.

  80. JC

    You know what, I can’t stand Lambie. She’s the senate version of our very own Cat version of Auntie Jack… always angry and ready to go over the cliff.

    But seriously… fuck off.

    A group of 49 Muslim community leaders, academics, lawyers and organisations have described comments made by Jacqui Lambie on Monday’s episode of ABC’s Q&A a “significant breach” of the network’s values and have demanded a formal apology from the public broadcaster.

    The collective, which includes members of the Australian Islamic Mission, La Trobe University Islamic Society and Islamophobia Watch Australia, started an online petition earlier today to protest the “racist, Islamophobic and crude” comments made by the independent senator on the show.

    “We believe this episode was in significant breach of the ABC values of ‘Respect, we treat our audiences and each other with consideration and dignity’, and ‘Integrity, We act with trustworthiness, honesty and fairness’, that your organisation prides itself on,” the petition reads.

    The trouble with Lambie is that she’s either too fucking lazy or just incapable of doing research and then being able to put forward her case in an argument. It’s no good saying you’re against Sharia law without being able to articulate the reasons why.

    It would have been as easy as anything to have countered that Q&A Sudanese troll about Sharia law.

  81. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m not so sure our side would win after reading this, Artiste.

    Good post JC.

  82. Infidel Tiger

    I reckon Lambie will be a Muslim in 10 years time.

  83. B Shaw

    Re hate speech.
    Have written to our MP asking for details of his plans to get Opposition Leader to put up or shut up.
    He’s one of Turnbull’s besties; he only just scraped in.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    It would have been as easy as anything to have countered that Q&A Sudanese troll about Sharia law.

    Yep.
    Just mention Qatar.

  85. vr

    JC — The thing I don’t understand is that Flynn would have known that all calls to the the Ruskies are monitored. Why take the risk and address any questions on the issue? The story doesn’t add up.

  86. P

    It would have been as easy as anything to have countered that Q&A Sudanese troll about Sharia law.

    The next day Jacqui Lambie put up this video on youtube: Sharia Law Explanation 14-2-17

  87. Slayer of Memes

    Just mention Qatar.

    5…

    4…

    3…

    2…

  88. None

    The thing I don’t understand is that Flynn would have known that all calls to the the Ruskies are monitored. Why take the risk and address any questions on the issue? The story doesn’t add up.

    Agree.

  89. JC

    JC — The thing I don’t understand is that Flynn would have known that all calls to the the Ruskies are monitored. Why take the risk and address any questions on the issue? The story doesn’t add up.

    Good point. I don’t know. Are we sure phone calls were monitored, as I read “conversations” were. It’s not clear to me if the phones or room were bugged.

  90. C.L.

    Obama’s secret crates of billions in cash for Iran – which cash is meant for Tehran’s nuclear bomb – is the biggest crime ever committed by a US President and one of the worst crimes committed by any leader of any nation in history. It’s going to take a lot more than Flynn’s resignation to stop Trump and his team from revealing all about Barack Hussein’s actions and from reversing them. It’s a no-brainer, electorally.

  91. Diogenes

    I have no knowledge of the NDIS but a colleague who is now going through it for his toddler son is scathing of it. Says it is a scandalous waste of money that is being spent on consultancies and new public servants. He was forced off the CDS scheme provided by Queensland Health on to it last year and in 6 months he just is starting to get to the business end for his child.

    One of the mothers from late no 2 son’s school with whom we have remained in contact had the same happen to her with her now 23yo daughter who has many physical & intellectual disabilities,and there is a MD like degenerative disease of unknown origin in the mix as well, so her needs are a moveable feast ie she gets a cold and she unable to even sit up, a bit of hayfever sees her going deaf etc etc. When we last saw them and asked how much support she was getting from the NDIS all we got was a 30 minute torrent of Afrikaans with the odd English word thrown in – the only time she and hubby use Afrikaans is when they swear. It has made her life harder, and as her daughter, although 23 and legally an adult , has the mental age of 5 is the “client” she is being shut out of decisions because “privacy”.

    I get the impression that if the TLS ever crossed her threshold, the TLS would not be leaving alive.

  92. Geriatric Mayfly

    I reckon Lambie will be a Muslim in 10 years time.
    Not if a fatwa comes her way. This uppity female will be long dead before then.

  93. I reckon Lambie will be a Muslim in 10 years time.

    Erm… mebbe not.
    Lambie’s not prone to interfering with her ladygarden. We’ve got that from her own words, live on radio.
    Our Jacq won’t become a Muslim – she’d prefer to keep her clitoris.

  94. test pattern

    History of the Logan Act

    ‘Flynn’s actions, taken before President Trump’s inauguration, have been interpreted as a violation of the Logan Act. This broad law was passed at the very end of the eighteenth century and named for George Logan, a Quaker physician and farmer from Pennsylvania who was highly esteemed by Thomas Jefferson. During the undeclared naval war between the U.S. and France in 1798-99, Logan went to France to try to broker a peace. The Federalists in Congress—Jefferson’s political foes–subsequently passed the law that prohibits a private citizen from engaging in diplomacy with a foreign government that has a dispute with the United States.’

    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/165192

  95. cohenite

    JC

    #2297486, posted on February 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    You know what, I can’t stand Lambie. She’s the senate version of our very own Cat version of Auntie Jack… always angry and ready to go over the cliff.

    But seriously… fuck off.

    A group of 49 Muslim community leaders, academics, lawyers and organisations have described comments made by Jacqui Lambie on Monday’s episode of ABC’s Q&A a “significant breach” of the network’s values and have demanded a formal apology from the public broadcaster.

    I fucking vomited on the computer screen when I read this grotesque crap. “significant breach” of the abc’s values! This is the same bunch which has been running the green’s view on alarmism and every other PC issue for the last 2 decades while using the Charter of Impartiality to stem their gender diverse menstrual flows.

    Seriously, we are rooted, even with Trump; the muslims are implacable and so well organised with their left minions, that logic, discourse, anything short of street rebellion is useless against them.

    As for Lambie; the requisite passion is there but the woman may as well have a gherkin on her shoulders. But who else is there. The MSM ignores Kirralie Smith for the same reason they embrace Lambie and Hanson, although that may change if Hanson continues to make speeches of the calibre she made recently.

  96. Baldrick

    custard
    #2297414, posted on February 15, 2017 at 3:06 pm
    From Australian Conservatives today:
    Dear custard …

    Good start custard, which by all accounts was much more than you received from PHON.

  97. JC

    vr

    It could also be that Flynn may have not realized he was doing anything wrong. However , what caught him out appears to be his untruthfulness.

    He may have had what he thought were reasonable conversations with the ruskies, later realized later that what he was doing may be out of order as he wasn’t yet confirmed, then panicked and lied about it. Frankly other than the lying I don’t see the mortal sin in what he did.

  98. None

    Agree with JC re Lambie ( she did tefer to crib notes in her first outrage speech on qanda but yeah the rest was lazy). Agree too the complainants can fuck off. They are just trying to push Islamic blasphemy laws.

  99. JC

    P
    #2297497, posted on February 15, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    It would have been as easy as anything to have countered that Q&A Sudanese troll about Sharia law.

    The next day Jacqui Lambie put up this video on youtube: Sharia Law Explanation 14-2-17

    Next day is too late. She was unprepared and then unable to escalate. If you can’t escalate with the left you lose. Always be escalating.

  100. vr

    Good point. I don’t know. Are we sure phone calls were monitored, as I read “conversations” were. It’s not clear to me if the phones or room were bugged.

    Apparently, it all stems from a call with the Amb on Dec 29th. If a transcript exists, surely the president should get to see it. I suspect they have seen it and there was nothing to be worried about and it is really about him not fully forthcoming with the vp as Spicer kept reiterating at the press conference. But, who knows.

  101. pete m

    NDIS is supposed to fund treatment (eg speech pathology), medical aides, carer relief, house and car modifications to the most seriously disabled who cannot afford to pay for it themselves, and the States struggle to provide it at present.

    It assesses their full needs and then provides vouchers / providers available to go ahead and get it done.

    It is a bureaucratic nightmare and already legal cases in Court over what qualifies as a disability.

    The assessments are far too high – what a Court might give in future needs for example might be $20K p.a. but NDIS assess it at $50K.

    It was supposed to service about 250,000 to 300,000 people but now blown out to likely 400,000 plus, and average cost is far higher in needs assessed.

    It will bankrupt the budget if left unchanged.

    The disability qualification needs to be made stricter (remove psych altogether).

    The needs assessments should take into account NGO services, not just private, and be more modest.

    And the big public service bill needs pruning and streamlining.

  102. P

    Yassim always had snowcone’s favour, right till the end of the show.
    He continued to give her the floor when she obviously was raving and at one time out of breath.

  103. Frankly other than the lying I don’t see the mortal sin in what he did.

    The Logan Act stuff is not the worst of it. The Russians are under investigation for sabotaging the election to favour Flynn’s GOP mates. If Flynn promised on Trump’s behalf before the election to lift sanctions on Russia if Putin helped get Trump elected, that is treasonous. The transcripts of those two conversations could conceivably bring down the government, if that is what happened.

    At this point, those transcripts are the most important pieces. The pressure to leak them is going to be intense, and so far the administration has leaked like a sieve.

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    Zulu – Re your lack of education in SJW and after-school television. Can you imagine the screeching if someone tried to make F Troop today? I hope someone does, it’d be awesome.

  105. The ABC are clueless enough to believe they made a fool of Lambie by prodding her into doing her block over Sharia Law.

    They actually got her another 50,000 supporters.

    Keep it up ABC – you’ll have Senator Lambie as leader of the opposition in the Senate Two Fridays from now at this rate.

  106. johanna

    The interest is, at the least, quite prurient.

    Prurient? Do you really imagine that I give a rat’s about your sex life?

    Good to see that I have taken over a lot of the real estate in what you endlessly describe as your very superior brain. Encased in a stunning body of course.

    Hun, minus pictures and other evidence, it’s just phone sex.

    G’wan ant, bite me on the toe again.You know you want to. 🙂

    P.S. What did your cat eat today? Millions are dying to know. Without that sort of information, the Cat would just be like – I don’t know – Mamma Mia or something.

  107. None

    I have no knowledge of the NDIS but a colleague who is now going through it for his toddler son is scathing of it. Says it is a scandalous waste of money that is being spent on consultancies and new public servants. He was forced off the CDS scheme provided by Queensland Health on to it last year and in 6 months he just is starting to get to the business end for his child.

    I have been saying for years here, on Bolt’s blog, twitter etc etc that NDIS is just a giant ponzi scheme for fat cats and a cruel hoax for the disabled. I was furious that the lnp signed up to it while in opposition. I despise Gillard’s poison pulls, the NDIS and NBN most of all. This is a state issue. Stayes have or should have a voucher scheme. IIRC Julie Novak wrote a good article on the same once.

  108. Des Deskperson

    “Let me say that again. In 2017, in Australia, in a club that promotes itself as championing our values and respect for our national heritage, men are expected to urinate on Aboriginals.”

    Here’s an article on Bec Cody after last year’s ACT elections:

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/meet-your-new-assembly-bec-cody-the-hairdresser-with-the-law-degree-20161212-gt8zje.html

    She sounds like a pushy narcissist – ‘I’m used to getting 100 per cent in everything I do’. Look at this bit:

    ‘Cody put those dinner table skills into practice when she took on Kambah High School over a policy that barred girls from taking woodwork and metalwork classes.

    “I said ‘this isn’t on, where is it in law that you can tell me I can’t do metalwork or woodwork, you tell me, why can’t I?’ and they didn’t have an answer so I was the first girl at Kambah High to metalwork, woodwork and tech drawing. I aced it, I beat all of the boys,” she said.’

    She’s in her early forties, so she must have started secondary school in the mid eighties. The Cat’s education gurus can correct me, but I find it hard to believe that a secondary school c.1985 – particularly in Canberra – still didn’t allow girls to do metalwork and woodwork.

    And the crap about lively discussions around the dinner table, that’s standard boilerplate in any ‘progressive’ CV.

  109. vr

    Monty — Here is an alternate theory. I think JC might be right about the Iran angle.

  110. JC

    P
    #2297518, posted on February 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Yassim always had snowcone’s favour, right till the end of the show.
    He continued to give her the floor when she obviously was raving and at one time out of breath.

    Big deal. If she was prepared she would have easily swatted the Sudanese troll. If Springer interrupted she could have told him to fuck off and let her answer. If he persisted she could have taken the mic or her shoe and thrown it at his ridiculous head for rudely interrupting. Always be escalating.
    Shoe throwing isn’t a first on Q&A after all.

  111. So sorry that this NDIS has turned into that Gillard designed it to turn into — the waste is unfreakingbelievable — what is being done by barely literate ‘planners’ is a travesty while Ms G gets all her benefits and then some. (Adjective) Expletive (Noun) Expletive

    It’s a shocker of a scheme. I know someone who works for one of the organisations that brokers services via the NDIS. Complex, top-heavy, a tiny trickle of money appearing at the end of a long line of admin, and then the money goes to ‘social support’, not actual medical expenses.

    It was sold to us with pictures of dramatically disabled people in expensive wheelchairs and limited life expectancies.

    And called an ‘Insurance’ scheme.

  112. John64

    I predict that next week’s Q&A will commence with Snowcone making a grovelling apology to Australia’s moozley community along with a solemn undertaking that Lambie will not be invited back.

  113. Yassmin Abdel-Magied, it should be remembered, refuses to be in the same stadium-sized room as Lionel Shriver, on the grounds that Lionel Shriver is a half-wit.

  114. P

    The ABC are clueless enough to believe they made a fool of Lambie by prodding her into doing her block over Sharia Law.
    They actually got her another 50,000 supporters.

    Hear! Hear!

  115. Eddystone

    Anyone got a link to Bill Shorten’s remarks about killing Aborigines with infected blankets, etc?

  116. Nelson Kidd-Players

    … “significant breach” of the abc’s values…

    Perhaps the Islamists want to shut it down and fire them all?

  117. .

    She’s in her early forties, so she must have started secondary school in the mid eighties. The Cat’s education gurus can correct me, but I find it hard to believe that a secondary school c.1985 – particularly in Canberra – still didn’t allow girls to do metalwork and woodwork.

    Yeah that sounds like total crap.

    Everything about her seems stage managed. That twee photo on her wedding day? C’mon.

    Bizarrely, Cody said she was devastated when she received a UAI of 97.3.

    Fuck off.

    Cody went on to study law but would never put the degree into practice.

    Like 90% of the chiquitas in my course.

    “I had a beautiful Indigenous woman who hadn’t been able to afford to have a haircut for quite a long time and she just loved sitting there and being pampered and being able to talk about nothing or about anything she wanted to. You know that was more important to me than anything else,” Cody said.

    Free haircuts for beautiful Aborigines. Shades of the noble savage in the court of the bourbons.

  118. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Re hate speech.
    Have written to our MP asking for details of his plans to get Opposition Leader to put up or shut up.

    My local member just suggested I contact Bill Shorten’s office direct.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    Obama armed Mexican cartels and gave Iran hundreds of billions to develop nuclear weapons and Monty didn’t bat an eyelid, well he did but not for those reasons.

  120. JC

    Johanna

    Try and act like a lady. All the other gals do.

  121. Anyone got a link to Bill Shorten’s remarks about killing Aborigines with infected blankets, etc?

    The indisputably correct version is to be found in Hansard. Heh.

  122. Rabz

    Kim Jong Un’s brother dead, Grant Hackett arrested.

    Coincidence? I think not.

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/tips-for-wednesday-february-15/news-story/36e00d50d83878510fe28adfb0f8925c

    Bolt ran with the story about the infected blankets, but some of his commenters post the links to how the version involving the Indians was debunked.

  124. Which pub did Hackett trash a room in this time?

  125. Rabz

    I find it hard to believe that a secondary school c.1985 – particularly in Canberra – still didn’t allow girls to do metalwork and woodwork.

    JJJ Hack was claiming the other day that indigenes were “not allowed” to marry non indigines in this country until 1959.

  126. P

    Big deal. If she was prepared she would have easily swatted the Sudanese troll. If Springer interrupted she could have told him to fuck off and let her answer.

    You may have a point JC, but I doubt that you watched Q&A on Monday night. You may have seen a video clip of the shouting match but to comment accurately you would need to have watched the whole hour show.

  127. Rabz

    Perhaps the Islamists want to shut it down and fire them all?

    Hopefully in the traditional islamic manner.

  128. Roger

    The ABC are clueless enough to believe they made a fool of Lambie by prodding her into doing her block over Sharia Law. They actually got her another 50,000 supporters.

    The stupidity of the ABC is matched only by the Australian cricket team, who have made up their tiny minds to sledge Virat Kohli on home soil.

  129. Bruce of Newcastle

    Off you go.

    ‘Come back, all is forgiven’, Sri Lankan PM tells asylum seekers

    That’s about 150 of the remaining country shoppers on Nauru and Manus.

  130. Top Ender

    Self and The Territory Remembers are on the The Project tonight, fellow Cats.

    Did some interesting filming with Wendy James, evacuated from Darwin aged 6 in 1941. Wendy is still going strong and has some great stories. She still remembers passengers being posted on the weather deck of the steamer to look out for submarines.

  131. Des Deskperson

    “I had a beautiful Indigenous woman who hadn’t been able to afford to have a haircut for quite a long time and she just loved sitting there and being pampered and being able to talk about nothing or about anything she wanted to. You know that was more important to me than anything else,” Cody said.”

    It would have been a far greater act of compassion if it had been an ugly Indigenous woman.

  132. bystander

    m0nty
    #2297519, posted on February 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Frankly other than the lying I don’t see the mortal sin in what he did.

    The Logan Act stuff is not the worst of it. The Russians are under investigation for sabotaging the election to favour Flynn’s GOP mates. If Flynn promised on Trump’s behalf before the election to lift sanctions on Russia if Putin helped get Trump elected, that is treasonous. The transcripts of those two conversations could conceivably bring down the government, if that is what happened.

    At this point, those transcripts are the most important pieces. The pressure to leak them is going to be intense, and so far the administration has leaked like a sieve.

    Monty, take your hand off it, there’s a good lad.

  133. ‘Come back, all is forgiven’, Sri Lankan PM tells asylum seekers

    One of the very few pleasures in having some Sri Lankan staff is they have utterly no time for SJW’s who mindlessly parrot stuff about poor bludee reffos.

    Quite fun to watch them dish out a serve to some SJW/Greens voter type guest who has casually dropped some line about the “obstacles” refugees face in Australia.

    Quite fun indeed.

  134. Slayer of Memes

    Doh! Nancy Pelosi’s face when she realized she quoted a fake tweet is PRICELESS

    In a press conference House Democrats held today to bloviate over the controversy with retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md. (F, 14%)  was caught red-handed quoting from a fake Twitter account to bash the now-former Trump administration national security adviser.

    In his defense, he was just following the lead from Queen Democrat herself, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. (F, 10%) who went off on Flynn for a full two minutes over the word “scapegoat.”

    “I’m going to make a tweet myself. It’s not scapegoat, it’s stonewall.” Meanwhile, everyone on the internet were like this:

    Pelosi going after Flynn for this scapegoat tweet. it’s not a real account!

    When an aide told Pelosi the tweets were fake she reportedly turned to him and said, I kid you not, “What do you mean it’s fake!?”

    Maybe House Democrats need a younger leader, someone who understands the interwebs. Or maybe Pelosi just needs to hire better interns.

    The greatest part of this story, though, is that both of these Democrats fell for the fake account because The New York Times fell for it first.

    Classic fake news.

    This is the same Nancy Pelosi who, only days ago, said:

    “While its only been a couple of weeks since the inauguration, we’ve seen nothing that I can work with President Bush on.”

    Obviously Trump Derangement Syndrome has so overwhelmed her she can’t remember the last 8 years, and is still fighting the battles of 2000-2007…

    … or she’s just a senile old fart who, like the majority of hangers-on of the Democrats with 30+ years of ‘service’ in the US Congress and Senate, needs to be put out of the voters’ misery….

  135. H B Bear

    Hackett needs to realise if he wants to do drugs and assault people without sanction he needs to get back on the Australian swim team.

  136. Des Deskperson

    “Did some interesting filming with Wendy James,”

    This Wendy James??

  137. Baldrick

    Fakenews alert:

    Chris Bowen says there will be no net cost to the budget or Australian households with a 50% Renewable Energy Target.

  138. john constantine

    Their berk and their filth are going at Saint Barnaby for stealing 450 gigaliters from the Murray Darling Basin.

    Claims the filthsenate will have a crack at legislating for the 450 gig to be taken from the working irrigation river, to soothe inner city free river feelings.

  139. Infidel Tiger

    Hackett needs to realise if he wants to do drugs and assault people without sanction he needs to get back on the Australian swim team.

    Or join the Apex Gang.

  140. thefrolickingmole

    Did you spend your school years reading Ginger Meggs under the desk or something? Instead of paying attention?

    Biggles, actually.

    Retry…

    I did the same. Flip top desks made it easier.

    Me and my equaly feral cousin had a fly catching competition.
    We had the old desks which still had an inkwell hole where the suitably squashed victims were deposited, fortunately there was one empty desk between us.

    Big flies, little flies, black green and blow flies all entered the desk of doom, none returned.
    Not even the “pet” flies we had made from a long hair tied around the flies neck so they could buzz in circles while you held the other end.

    1/2 way through the year we got a new headmaster whos very pretty, very sheltered daughters life was ruined on day one by being allocated that desk..

    “Do the principals daughters still scream Clarice”…..

  141. Denise

    Roger, sorry about the delay but I’ve been busy.

    C S Lewis is one of my favourite authors but the syncretism is not something he tried to hide.

    By his own admission in his autobiography and diary Norse mythology was his first love.
    I can’t comment on his sf series because I found them unreadable.
    His stated objective iro the Narnia series was the removal of stained glass associations of Christianity. He filled Narnia with fauns, chimera like centaurs, characters like Silenus who were anything but chaste or holy.
    I became increasingly uncomfortable with that as I learned more of what was written in the Word.
    Other Christians have too.
    It is a pity. He was so gifted.

  142. JC

    Thanks Bystander. I missed Monster’s crap.

    Monster, Trump won the erection on November 20. That’s a full 87 days. It’s also almost a month since the inauguration. Seeing the intel agencies were spying on Trump and feeding information to the Crooked campaign, don’t you think that if something untoward occurred the cat would have been out of the bag by now through transcript leaks?

    In other words, there’s nothing wrong in terms of what Trump or Trump’s people did by talking to the Russians. Nothing! There’s absolutely nothing wrong with senior campaign official having discussions with officials from other countries to chatter about relationships going forward.

    What you should be doing fatboy, is explaining to the readership here why the D’rats want to start WW3 with Russia. While you’re there, explain why the Kenyan sent almost 2 billion in cash to Iran. ….Sending cash right after the Kenyan’s DOJ had been going after Malaysian officials for misappropriation of funds. You fatheaded idiot.

  143. john constantine

    An anniversary of begining to free the Snowy River from being a working hydro river.

    The whole free the Snowy was a simple direct and corrupt bribe, paid by the victorian labor government to an abc backed rural Stalinist independant to get the numbers to form government.

    The photo of young garrett/bracks/brown and the Stalinist makes ya wanna spew.

  144. P

    Did some interesting filming with Wendy James, evacuated from Darwin aged 6 in 1941.

    I look forward (for a change) to viewing The Project tonight with this Wendy James.

  145. thefrolickingmole

    Im warming to the scurity agency coup idea now.

    Not a murmur about the bales of cash for Iran, constant leaks and rumors about “russians” at full volume.

    The New York Times report cites four current and former US intelligence officials who are unnamed and who conceded they had “so far” seen no evidence in the intercepted phone communications that Trump campaign officials had cooperated with Russian intelligence in Moscow’s efforts to skew the election in Trump’s favour. The officials do not explain what, in that case, the contacts were about

    A CNN report said “high-level advisers close to then-presidential nominee Donald Trump were in constant communication during the campaign with Russians known to US intelligence”.

    ..
    They pile further pressure on the Republican congressional leadership to launch committee hearings on Russian election interference that were promised, but have so far failed to materialise.
    They are a further sign that intelligence officials are willing to leak extensively against the Trump administration, making it extremely risky for the White House to try to shut down investigations into collusion with Moscow that are reportedly being carried out by several intelligence agencies.
    They add circumstantial weight to the reports on the Trump campaign’s Kremlin links compiled last year and passed to the FBI by a former MI6 officer, Christopher Steele. His reports alleged active, sustained and covert collusion to subvert the election which, if confirmed, could constitute treason.

  146. Baldrick

    Yes, renewballs were responsible for the latest [email protected] known as energy security:

    SOUTH AUSTRALIA, 8 FEBRUARY 2017 (1.5 Mb Pdf)
    In summary:
     Demand and supply from renewable and thermal generation were changing rapidly in the period just prior to a loss of system security. At the peak:
     Demand was higher than forecast
     Wind generation was lower than forecast, and
     Thermal generation capacity was reduced due to forced outages.
     165 MW of Pelican Point capacity had been notified as unavailable. The operator advised AEMO of a start-up time which would not have enabled AEMO to meet the system security requirements under the National Electricity Rules.
     Load shedding then became the only available option for AEMO to restore system security.
     AEMO directed load shedding of 100 MW, and gave clearance to restore that load 27 minutes later. Actual load shedding by the local network operator was approximately 300 MW.

  147. Stimpson J. Cat

    Monster, Trump won the erection on November 20.

    This is f☆cking true on so many levels.
    Gold.

  148. H B Bear

    Ladies and gentlemen, your Treasurer under a Bull Shitten-led government….

    Standing on the shoulders of mental pygmies like Goose Springsteen and kd wrong.

  149. jupes

    Next day is too late. She was unprepared and then unable to escalate. If you can’t escalate with the left you lose. Always be escalating.

    No, Jacqui Jacqui was the winner and exceeded expectations.

    First of all it was a set-up: The dumbest member of parliament verses an allegedly smart, articulate Muslim. JJ was there to play the role of ignorant Islamaphobe.

    The bad news for the ABC was that the encounter didn’t follow the script. The Muzzo bint spoke such utter shit that JJ crudely and loudly played the bullshit card. Then the stupid Muzzo bint lost control and it became a screaming match. Snowcone shut it down but too late – the Muzzo had beclowned herself.

    The postscript is even better. JJ escalated with her YouTube video about the meaning of Sharia (which is far more accurate than the Muzzo bint’s explanation) and now a group of Muzzos are playing the victim card.

    Comedy gold! And the good thing is that Islam and the ABC are the losers.

  150. johanna

    He said, “You meshuggeneh, you vant more dan bupkiss? Oy vey to the matzo balls.” O, how we laughed.

    Monty’s Yiddish is like Maocolm trying to sound like a Man of the People.

    Embarrassingly bad.

    He is a yutz.

  151. memoryvault
    #2297469, posted on February 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm
    The tiles are on the wall, not in the urinals. Could someone please take this stupid bint into the men’s and demonstrate how and where men piss in the toilets.

    Add the hysterical husband to that delegation into the men’s.
    When the stupid bint can’t even get the name of the club correct (it is now known as Club Jervis Bay) then you can’t believe anything else. Especially the location of the decorative tiles.
    Poor bastards. A non-profit community club tries to do something to promote indigenous issues and cops a bucketful of incorrect abuse for their effort.

  152. None

    Re Cody and Kambah high school. I we t to an all girls state school. We were streamed. Th6ise of us who were considered academically bright did not do domestic science, typing, woodwork, nothing. Barred. So in Cody”s time her feat was alon to bragging she had made vegetable class (my dad was a tradie so spare me faux outrages)

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    Chris Bowen says there will be no net cost to the budget or Australian households with a 50% Renewable Energy Target.

    Bowen is one of the more sensible ones in that mob.
    If he can lie to the media so baldly it doesn’t look good for da Shorten Coalition* Team.

    * AWU and CFMEU

  154. John64

    The indisputably correct version is to be found in Hansard.

    Mr Shorten’s remarks in Hansard 14 February 2017:

    “It is time for truth-telling. Our ancestors drove the first peoples of this nation from their bora ring; we scattered the ashes of their campfires. We fenced the hunting grounds; we poisoned the waterholes; we distributed blankets infected with diseases we knew would kill. And there has been plenty of damage done in different ways with better intentions – by the belief that forced assimilation was the only way to achieve equality.”

  155. P

    jupes
    #2297583, posted on February 15, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    Comedy gold! And the good thing is that Islam and the ABC are the losers.

    Thank you jupes for your excellent descriptive comment.

  156. Roger

    Thanks Denise.

    If I may, I think you misunderstand Lewis’s Narnia series. These stories were not attempts at Christian allegory, in which Aslan, for example, strictly represents Christ, but works of the imagination that attempted to conceive how the Christian Gospel might impact a world different from our own. Thus, they are not to be read literally, but literarily.

    To be sure, Lewis’s imagination, populated as it was with figures from ancient mythologies, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but he intended his novels as works of imagination, not doctrinal tracts. Whatever criticisms I may have of Lewis’s theology , syncretism, as in the formal mixing of Christian beliefs with pagan mythology, would not be one of them; in fact, Lewis was strongly critical of those who ascribed mythological elements to the Bible.

    You mention his space trilogy – science fiction is not my cup of tea either, but I was surprised how much I enjoyed these, chiefly because of the vividness of Lewis’s writing.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We had the old desks which still had an inkwell hole where the suitably squashed victims were deposited, fortunately there was one empty desk between us.

    I do remember when those inkwell holes contained inkwells, which, for some strange reason, contained ink.

    Dipping girls plaits and braids in the inkwell was considered fine sport, but retribution was swift, and dire, indeed.

  158. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bwahahahaha!

    Michael Moore Melts Down; Tells Trump To “Resign By Morning” Or Face “Impeachment You Russian Traitor”

    Michael Moore, the ultra-liberal documentary filmmaker who infamously predicted a Trump victory well before election night last November by stunningly calling Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania for the Republican nominee, has, over the past 24 hours, decided to broadcast his latest nervous breakdown over Twitter for all to see.

    It all started with the following tweet storm posted by Moore in the wee hours of the morning saying that, among other things, “Flynn DID NOT make that Russian call on his own” but rather “was INSTRUCTED to do so.” Moore went on to insist that Flynn was just the first of several senior Trump advisors that would inevitably be fired and predicted that “Miller & Bannon” would be next before calling on Trump himself to “Resign by morning!”

    He really isn’t coping at all well is he? Quick, someone send him JC’s hotline number.

  159. BrettW

    Regarding Q&A I note the Daily Mail reported the Muslim supporters said “Muslims should only be on Q&A if they could be spared a confrontation”. Simple solution, if you can’t handle an aggressive panelist boycott all ABC shows. Perhaps they can start a campaign to have Tony Jones removed from his hosting gig.

    The Muslim panelist certainly had no problem shouting and interrupting to make her points. I note front page of the Oz today questioned her comments about treatment of women which even the audience laughed at.

    I hope the Muslim “activists” report Lambie to HRC for 18C ! Now that would be fun.

    Muslim lady has no real experience of what Sharia law is like in a Muslim country.

    Interesting to note she was the one sitting next to Turnbull at the infamous dinner.

  160. Infidel Tiger

    Michael Moore Melts Down; Tells Trump To “Resign By Morning” Or Face “Impeachment You Russian Traitor”

    He sounds like any other member of the Washington establishment.

  161. Monster, Trump won the erection on November 20. That’s a full 87 days. It’s also almost a month since the inauguration. Seeing the intel agencies were spying on Trump and feeding information to the Crooked campaign, don’t you think that if something untoward occurred the cat would have been out of the bag by now through transcript leaks?

    In other words, there’s nothing wrong in terms of what Trump or Trump’s people did by talking to the Russians. Nothing! There’s absolutely nothing wrong with senior campaign official having discussions with officials from other countries to chatter about relationships going forward.

    The intel agencies were not spying on Trump in the Flynn case (Manafort, Page too IIRC). They were spying on Russians who talked to Trump’s people.

    The pressure to release the transcript was not great when it wasn’t in the national spotlight. Watergate wasn’t over in a day you know.

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

  162. Stimpson J. Cat

    literarily

    I love Jesus as much as the next guy, but take a minute and imagine the glory of a crucified talking lion named Jesus who died for our sins.

    Everything changes.
    I mean, what would the Romans throw Christians to in the arena just for starters….

  163. None

    Bowen is one of the more sensible ones in that mob.
    If he can lie to the media so baldly it doesn’t look good for da Shorten Coalition* Team.

    Wasn’t Bowen one of yhe bold-faced liars under Rudd who prompted two senior public servants -in an unprecedented move – to hold a presser and refute him?

  164. Infidel Tiger

    by the belief that forced assimilation was the only way to achieve equality

    If only that was the policy.

  165. Eddystone

    Here’s BS’s BS.

    It is time for truth telling.

    Our ancestors drove the first peoples of this nation from their bora ring; we scattered the ashes of their campfires.

    We fenced the hunting grounds; we poisoned the waterholes; we distributed blankets infected with diseases we knew would kill.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/chamber/hansardr/e77d4ded-b4c9-4377-9e67-d0ebd4462d2c/toc_pdf/House%20of%20Representatives_2017_02_14_4678.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf

    Page 7.

    There was also this gem from Bill;

    I wish to acknowledge former Prime Minister Rudd’s presence here today in the gallery, visiting his former workplace. I say this, Kevin: you can take well-deserved pride in your leadership on the2008 apology.

    But now we have more Aboriginal children than ever growing up away from home and away from kin, culture and country.

    Talk about damning with faint praise. BS might just as well have come out and said the Apology was just a bit of useless grandstanding by KRudd, which it was.

    And here’s Turnbull.

    Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (12:01):
    Yanggu gulanyin ngalawiri, dhunayi, Ngunawal dhawra. Wanggarralijinyin mariny bulan bugarabang

    Can’t say fairer than that, I reckon!

  166. I detect a renewed fire in the belly of Michael Smith.
    Today he fires well aimed broadsides at Chris Bowen, the Greens, Bill “clockwork” Shorten (I hope that term becomes common usage), Kimberly Kitching, and Ahmed Fahour. Posts distressing images from the fall of Singapore and reports on Grant Hackett.
    A fired up Smith is a boon to conservative politics.

  167. cohenite

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    Yes, how can JC have missed the attempt by Saudi Arabia to buy Hillary through the Clinton foundation.

    e

  168. Infidel Tiger

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    Yes, it was only a little while ago Obama was trying to depose the democratically elected Netanyahu and to derail Brexit.

  169. Snoopy

    The intel agencies were not spying on Trump in the Flynn case (Manafort, Page too IIRC). They were spying on Russians who talked to Trump’s people.

    To get at Trump the Deep State has sacrificed its ability to spy on Russians and anyone else. Way to go, spooks.

  170. struth

    Michael Moore Melts Down; Tells Trump To “Resign By Morning” Or Face “Impeachment You Russian Traitor”

    They are in absolute meltdown.
    I say old chap, you have no sense of Huma.

  171. B Shaw

    “and here’s Turnbull”
    hahahahaha ha

  172. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.
    So true Monty, so true.

  173. struth

    It is time for truth telling.

    What was he doing before?
    I know he’s lying, his lips are moving.

  174. Stimpson J. Cat
    #2297600, posted on February 15, 2017 at 5:24 pm
    literarily
    I love Jesus as much as the next guy

    Help me out here Stimp. Do you love Jesus as much as you love the guy standing beside him, or is the love of the guy beside you equal to your love for Jesus.
    I am literally hanging out for your answer.

  175. Bruce of Newcastle

    I recall a bunch of Obama operatives came hither for the Oz election too.

  176. Top Ender

    No, Des, not that Wendy James – although would have been an interesting gig indeed working with her.

  177. JC

    The intel agencies were not spying on Trump in the Flynn case (Manafort, Page too IIRC). They were spying on Russians who talked to Trump’s people.

    Really? According to the WSJ a FISA warrant is required to tape a US citizen. Who requested it? More from the WSJ:

    Initially Mr. Flynn claimed Russian sanctions hadn’t come up in the conversations, and that’s what the Vice President said in defending him on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” But U.S. officials then leaked to the press that transcripts of Mr. Flynn’s phone calls show that sanctions were discussed. “This was an act of trust, whether or not he misled the Vice President was the issue,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday.

    Fair enough, if that’s the real reason. But as troubling is the fact that Mr. Flynn may have been targeted for political destruction by intelligence sources inside the government. We wrote Tuesday that the existence of transcripts of Mr. Flynn talking with a foreign official suggests that he may have been the subject of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) warrant.

    Some media outlets have reported that the FBI requested the warrant as part of the Obama Administration’s investigation into contacts between associates of Mr. Trump and Russian banks. Democrats are now demanding hearings, which they believe will expose more serious and unseemly interactions between Vladimir Putin and the Trump campaign. The House and Senate intelligence committees are already investigating Russian election meddling.

    But readers should understand how rare it is for electronic intercepts of a private U.S. citizen—which Mr. Flynn was at the time—to be leaked to the press. The conversations of American citizens are supposed to be protected, lest private reputations be ruined without accountability. So it’s unsettling to read that so many in the government claim to have read the transcripts of Mr. Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador, and then spoke about them to the press.

    If these leaks are retribution against Mr. Flynn by an intelligence community aggrieved by Mr. Trump’s negative comments during the campaign, then the White House has a bigger problem than a national-security job opening. It faces a bureaucratic insurrection that can do great damage with other leaks that may or may not include accurate information.

    This should also worry civil libertarians who claim to be worried about the surveillance state. Yet the same voices who call Edward Snowden a hero don’t seem concerned about the leaks of these transcripts about Mr. Flynn. They fret about Mr. Trump’s speculative authoritarian menace but don’t want to ask if authoritarian tactics were used against Mr. Flynn.

    CL and Artiste are correct, this is an attempted coup and Trump better start dealing with it.

  178. cohenite

    It’s been discussed already but here are the highlights between Lambie and the muslim bint.

    The lesson for Lambie and anyone taking on this cult and its presentable reps is to keep it simple; islam offers so many examples to counter bullshit. Default to beheadings of women in Saudi Arabia, stonings of women in iran and Pakistan, the French banning of the burqa upheld by the ECHR; halal is a religious tax; sharia is the replacement of Western values; and if you want to get complicated mention Islamic exceptionalism. Always mention Ayaan Hirsi Ali and refer to professor Clive Kessler as your expert.

  179. Zatara

    It is very interesting that the Left should suddenly be so interested in Russia and Treason. Especially since they originated it.

    See if this sounds familiar:

    Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

    “On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

    Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

    Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

    First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

    Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

    Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

    Text of KGB Letter Regarding Kennedy

    Can you say projection? As usual with the Left, the truth is unlikely to be what it seems.

  180. Stimpson J. Cat

    Do you love Jesus as much as you love the guy standing beside him, or is the love of the guy beside you equal to your love for Jesus.

    Holy sh☆t.
    First, who are the guys?
    Probably Dismas or Gestas, they used to hang around with Jesus a fair bit.
    This could be a really hard question.
    Be more specific.

  181. Top Ender

    When I got my first job one of the things I saved up for and bought was the complete hardback illustrated editions of CS Lewis’s Narnia series.

    This pic scared me quite a bit up until about the age of 13.

    It is a Calormene soldier being taken away for disposal by the great god Tash.

  182. calli

    I’ve never had a problem with Lewis’s fantasy world. It was obviously a fantasy world. As a little child, I lived and breathed the Narnia stories, and delighted in Pauline Baines’ illustrations. The day I realised that Aslan was Jesus was the day I discovered allegory.

    The only thing I’ve ever questioned seriously is his apparent flirtation with Universalism, in The Great Divorce.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tim Blair finds a perfect leftie.

    BRIANS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

  184. struth

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    Ringing Russians?

    Only if you are the sort of person who rings your dentist for your car’s service.

  185. Lysander

    CL, I see that VicPol has resubmitted it’s application on Pell to the DPP for a 2nd time.

  186. JC

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    As I said, Fatboy, it’s 87 days since Trump won the election and there’s not a shred of evidence that anyone in his campaign colluded with them ruskies.

    Shut up and go eat the last of those Dunkins.

  187. Tom

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    Bwahahahahaha. The left’s Twitter zombies are so stupid they believe the DNC’s disinformation propaganda.

    This is the endgame of 50 years of secondary diseducation, Marxism-style, where kiddies’ heads were stuffed full of relativism and deconstructionism, which has rendered them incapable of rational thought or argument — replaced with violent tantrums.

  188. Grigory M

    It’s even more revealing when people just make shit up about what other people have said and meant, AND you see who keenly runs with the obvious bullshit, rather than calling the bullshitters out on it.

    Ho hum – bullshit happens.

  189. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mole at 5:00 What devils you were filling inkwells with dead flies. We would bring in Marchies caught over lunchtime, along with some feathers of grass. At moments germane, the slivers of grass would be inserted in a Marchie’s arse and the distraction let loose. On a good day, lottsa grass buzzing around the high ceiling.

  190. Slayer of Memes

    For all those pointing out the obvious double standards at play to mOnty I remind them that the #2 maxim of Leftism (behind “whatever it takes” at #1) is “it’s different when they do it…”

  191. P

    Watching The Drum. I wish that Jim Moylan was a member of parliament.

  192. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Johanna is not a Kitteh. She is a troll. Ugly in mind, which is what counts.

    Hairy spoke to me about a woman he despises at work because of a her similar nature to trolly here.
    She will not last long in his organization. He gets that particular look on his face re her future.
    I told him about this woman trolling me constantly on the net who had the same anger issues.

    Fire her, he suggests. So I think I will. You’re fired, troll. Get lost.

  193. As I said, Fatboy, it’s 87 days since Trump won the election and there’s not a shred of evidence that anyone in his campaign colluded with them ruskies.

    You just quoted the WSJ at me saying Flynn discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador before the election. You idiot.

  194. Brian of Moorabbin

    Tim Blair finds a perfect leftie.

    BRIANS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

    Someone called??

  195. Zatara

    If you think there is no such thing as colluding with a foreign power to subvert an election, JC, you are a bit naive.

    Of the two major political parties in the US only one has actually been proven to have attempted to collude with a foreign power to subvert an election.

    Take a wild guess which one it was?

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    SMH business reporter Michael Pascoe on the Drum says that Trump is mad.
    I am really enjoying this collective mental breakdown of lefties.

  197. This should also worry civil libertarians who claim to be worried about the surveillance state. Yet the same voices who call Edward Snowden a hero don’t seem concerned about the leaks of these transcripts about Mr. Flynn. They fret about Mr. Trump’s speculative authoritarian menace but don’t want to ask if authoritarian tactics were used against Mr. Flynn.

    What a load of cobblers. The right spent the entire campaign pushing Russian-hacked leaks.

  198. C.L.

    So then, the US left now accepts that Joseph McCarthy was right to steamroller anybody who ever even looked Russia’s way? Can we build a national monument to him in Washington now?

  199. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Brian of Moorabbin
    #2297645, posted on February 15, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    You ain’t been heard of much these days, Brian, how’s life?

  200. None

    Growing up in a non English speaking home we didn’t get exposed to standard folk tales and fairy stories or popular fiction like Narnia (i did gin Enid Blyton in the school library). By tje time I came across C.S. Lewis I was an adult. The first and only fiction work which I read was Til We have Faces -copious doses of Greek mythology or rather, allusions to the same. I had guessed the jealousy motive before the ending and found the storya bit sentimentalist and dissatisfying. Still, the book contained one paragraph that took my breath away. In just a few words it perfectly described an encounter between a human and the divine.

    (Literary rather than literal is a good way to describe Lewis’s fiction, Roger. Thanks).

  201. Slayer of Memes

    Zatanna,

    Oh! Oh! I know this one!

    The same party that originally founded (and still kisses up to) the KKK??

  202. Slayer of Memes

    Eeerr, I mean Zatara….

    Damn autocorrect…

    *goes back to reading his comics*

  203. Snoopy

    The right spent the entire campaign pushing Russian-hacked leaks.

    Pissgate?

  204. P

    Johanna is not a Kitteh. She is a troll. Ugly in mind, which is what counts.

    You’re fired, troll. Get lost.

    It displeases me to read such comment.
    A blog or a forum these days attracts all sorts. We either accept or leave.

    I appreciate all the comments I’ve read here by johanna. I admire her writings.
    That doesn’t mean I don’t read every comment by you Lizzie and enjoy very much those comments.

    Give it a rest.

  205. JC

    You just quoted the WSJ at me saying Flynn discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador before the election. You idiot.

    So what if he did?

    More to the point why was the transcript leaked to the press? And even more to the point who applied for a FISA warrant?

    1. Flynn had to go not because of what he did, but because he lied to the VP.

    2. Prior to the lie, Flynn had done nothing wrong as it’s not against the law to speak to foreign officials.

    As I said fatboy, 87 days have gone and still not one single sentence proving any Russian wrongdoing.

  206. Brian of Moorabbin

    Busy with other projects mostly Zulu, but still lurking…

  207. Gab

    Give it a rest.

    I notice you make no such admonishments when joanna attacks Lizzie.

    Why is that?

  208. P

    I’ve already stated above. I admire the writings of johanna. I appreciate them. OK?

    Lizzie’s contributi0ns are also not only read by me but enjoyed.

  209. Gab

    Fine but that doesn’t answer the question – which is an answer in itself.

  210. Grigory M

    A manic poster threw off his shackles overnight – Oh Why, God?

  211. Beertruk

    thefrolickingmole
    #2297181, posted on February 15, 2017 at 11:27 am

    Mole, I had an argument with some Luvies on Spacechook about a ‘sugar tax’ a few weeks ago. They all are adamant that because it is ‘for the common good’, it has to be implemented regardless. My argument was that the parents are responsible for their children’s diet and it is up to the parents to say no when the kids want more softdrinks and lollies, not the government’s job. I also made the point that there is a lot of literature publicly available about how much is too much and that less government tax, regulation and intrusion in peoples lives was pretty much laughed at. The Luvies are of the opinion that if people won’t toe the line, then it needs to be regulated so people are forced into it. Felt like smashing me head into a brickwall because I think I would have felt better afterwards.

  212. thefrolickingmole

    At moments germane, the slivers of grass would be inserted in a Marchie’s arse and the distraction let loose.

    Inspired, positively inspired…

    Kids now days with their iphones dont know what they are missing.

  213. More to the point why was the transcript leaked to the press?

    Because if it hadn’t been, Trump would have done nothing about a fairly clear violation of the law. The spooks forced his hand.

    And even more to the point who applied for a FISA warrant?

    So far there have been three Trump operatives who have been canned due to improper connections to the Russians. I would say that is fairly strong justification. Attacking the spooks for doing their job correctly and succeeding at it is not the sort of thing a conservative would do.

  214. P

    I notice you make no such admonishments when joanna attacks Lizzie.
    Why is that?

    I guess because I don’t consider them attacks but merely comments.

  215. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why is that?

    He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a _______ ______ at her.

    I can’t say it.
    I just can’t.
    😆

  216. thefrolickingmole

    Beertruk

    They had a similar article a couple of weeks back about how “bad” breakfast cereals were.

    I did a quick google for “healthy breakfast recipes” and came back (just counting hits and deducting 90%) with well over a million.

    Its lazy fuckers and people who dont say no like you say.
    Whats the bet the ones complaining about “advertising rots my precious Tarquin/Matildas brain” are still happy to let them park their arses in front of the idiot box while they virtue signal by signing a get up petition.

  217. P

    Gab, do you know who Mrs Marcel D was?
    She raised an enormous money for charity through her work and columns.
    Whatever she said or did was justified IMO by the good works she performed.

  218. Gab

    Gab, do you know who Mrs Marcel D was?
    She raised an enormous money for charity through her work and columns.
    Whatever she said or did was justified IMO by the good works she performed.

    Ummm … okay.

  219. Bruce of Newcastle

    One of the slimiest tricks the lefty MSM plays is not reporting inconvenient news.

    So Mark Riley runs his report on Seven News, which includes a brief comment and footage of Turnbull with the visiting Sri Lankan PM.

    Nope, Riley does not say anything at all about what transpired between the two of them.

    ‘Come back, all is forgiven’, Sri Lankan PM tells asylum seekers

    It’s a mystery.

  220. Nick

    Lefty scolds can do their worst. Not all that is poor dietary choices are members of bogan food groups. Millennial staples such as sushi rolls and boost juices have as much if not more fat, at times, as Mc Donalds food.

  221. Gab

    I tell you what, P, next time joanna makes comments attacking Lizzie which “displease you”, be sure to admonish Joanna in similar fashion and we’ll call it even, okay?

  222. B Shaw

    I know why I feel uneasy when Stimpson J. Cat is present.

    A crucified lion??

  223. JC

    P

    Lets be fair about this and listen to me.

    Yesterday afternoon and evening the warthog was having a go at Gab because she mentioned something about reality show viewers being imbeciles. The warthog then went into a frenzy – finally getting to some silly point that IQ doesn’t measure intelligence.

    She came up with some ridiculous anecdote like she always does… that she hired a plumber and the plumber figured out a plumbing problem for her, therefore he was surprisingly smart.. She somehow thinks anecdotes prove facts …. a variation of the Neil Armfield defense. In other words, she was implying plumbers aren’t intellectually gifted, which may be so overall. The obvious extension of her argument, by using this example, is that she was taken aback by this plumber’s intellectual acumen. Long story short, she inadvertently invalidated her argument and thereby agreed with Gab’s point. There are idiots in this world and they can be judged though their actions and behavior.

    When I nicely pointed this out to the psycho, she went hog wild and began abusing me. All I was doing was trying to be nice by attempting to untangle her stupidity.

  224. P

    Gab,
    Do you really know who Mrs Marcel D was?

  225. BrettW

    Cory Bernardi should speak with Jim Moylan regarding running for Senate for Australian Conservatives.

  226. Snoopy

    Some of you may watched the hysterical reporting by ABC News on Monday night of the scandal uncovered by Greenpeace. The Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility refused an FOI from Greenpeace requesting the dates and locations of its upcoming board meetings. So I put the same question to Greenpeace in regard to its board meetings.

    Greenpeace Australia Pacific – Feedback
    Feedback – General
    13/02/2017 8:17 PM
    To:S.R.

    Type : General
    From : Snoopy
    email : [email protected]
    phone : 0428xxxxxx
    feedback:

    Please advise when and where Greenpeace Australia’s 2017 board meetings will be held. Thank you.

    Receive a reply: Yes
    Receive a copy: Yes

    No reply. I’m shocked.

    I also put a similar question to the ABC. No acknowledgement. No response. Hypocritical tax-hoovering xunts.

  227. Gab

    No, P. Did she also become “displeased” when Lizzie called joanna a troll? Tell me.

  228. P

    When I nicely pointed this out to the psycho, she went hog wild and began abusing me. All I was doing was trying to be nice by attempting to untangle her stupidity.

    She’s obviously not y0ur cup of tea, eh?
    So be it.

  229. JC

    Because if it hadn’t been, Trump would have done nothing about a fairly clear violation of the law. The spooks forced his hand.

    What violation of the law, you idiot?

    So far there have been three Trump operatives who have been canned due to improper connections to the Russians. I would say that is fairly strong justification. Attacking the spooks for doing their job correctly and succeeding at it is not the sort of thing a conservative would do.

    Who are these operatives who broke the law by talking to the Russians and what laws did they break?

  230. Stimpson J. Cat

    A crucified lion??

    Much worse than a crucified human isn’t it?
    Here, have a hug.

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    I know why I feel uneasy when Stimpson J. Cat is present.
    A crucified lion??

    His is a cross-eyed bear.

    (A line stolen from the very fine SF “The Patterns of Chaos” by Colin Kapp)

  232. B Shaw

    Cory Bernardi/Jim Moylan – yes, BrettW

  233. Stimpson J. Cat

    I know why I feel uneasy when Stimpson J. Cat is present.

    Also, this is discriminatory and racist towards mentally ill people.
    Apologise please.

  234. Tal

    Joe could you hire some more staff for the suicide hotline?I haven’t had a day off since the election

  235. B Shaw

    Good God.
    Thank you, Bruce of N.
    The stuff I don’t know . . .

  236. What violation of the law,

    The Logan Act, at minimum. Possibly treason if Flynn was particularly stupid.

  237. Grigory M

    No one likes possums, except me.

    Say what?

  238. Slayer of Memes

    His is a cross-eyed bear.

    You mean ‘Gladly’, BoN?

  239. Tal

    Hey monty,honest question, where was all this outrage when the last admin did f**ked things?
    I’m not having a go at you I really want to know

  240. Snoopy

    Michael Pascoe believes in magic pudding economics.

  241. Slayer of Memes

    mOnty believes the Logan Act should be applied in the Flynn case…

    In the case of John Tunney (as highlighted by Zatara @5.46pm above), not so much…

    It’s different when they do it… (BIRM)

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