An average Catallaxy reader is better informed than the average viewer of ABC news

There was this in the comments on the previous thread that quite caught my eye:

George Wallace
#2335836, posted on March 24, 2017 at 7:17 pm (Edit)
One of the biggest stories on earth right now – the illegal surveillance of a president-elect by a sitting president in the USA – is being totally ignored by the ABC. No mention at all. Quite incredible.

And you know what, he’s right. One of the genuinely astonishing parts about discussing politics with most people is that the only things they know about are what they find on the news or in the papers, which means everything that might in any way contradict their leftwards worldview is kept from them by every means possible. This is what their ABC does. They either do not report, or distort what they do report or misstate the significance of what they report or just outright lie. But as an example of the way in which the community is mis-informed, just as Mr Wallace said, it really is incredible that no one who depends on the ABC is aware of this: OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE: Obama INVOLVED in “Wiretapping”. They might be told that Trump has said as much, but they would never ever have an inkling that any of it might be true, or that these are issues they might wish to weigh up for themselves. Instead, the story, even where it is reported, is bundled up for their viewers so that not only are they told what the right view on each and every issue is, but the proper response is provided as well.

For us over here, we get an almost lethal dose of the ABC and friends’ pre-digested news, since how could we not, even if we tried. But for ABC types, they are kept in their safety zones to prevent their ever having to come across news that might disturb their peace of mind, even if that peace of mind requires an almost complete ignorance of what is going on in the world.

Yet you do have to wonder how this will be kept from going through the roof. From Drudge, right now:

NSA To Provide ‘Smoking Gun’ Proof Obama Spied on Trump…

Gathered, disseminated secret electronic communications prior to inauguration….

So we shall see if it is still news come Monday, whether the don’t-want-to-know crowd will get their wish and end up not knowing.

UPDATE: I just don’t think it comes across exactly what we are dealing with. Let me take you to the words of that last story linked above. This is from the story:

Nunes said he was alarmed by what he saw in several dozen intelligence reports that include transcripts of communications, including communications directly from Trump. The reports were based on a foreign electronic spying operation between November and January. They were revealed by an intelligence community insider who alerted Nunes.

Nunes said on CNN that after reading the reports he was confident the Obama White House and numerous agencies “had a pretty good idea of what President-elect Trump was up to and what his transition team was up to and who they were meeting with.” . . .

The intelligence reports, which number in the dozens, suggest that the names of Trump and his advisers were not properly “minimized” in the foreign intelligence reports, as required under intelligence rules protecting the privacy rights of Americans.

“We don’t have the full scope of all the intelligence reports that were produced, or who ordered the unmasking of additional names, and we’re hoping to get that,” Nunes said.

The transcripts appeared to be the result of legal intelligence collection against a foreign target. The problem, Nunes said, was that someone in government ordered the names of the Americans to be unmasked and the reports to be distributed to government agencies. . . .

The explosive reports uncovered by Nunes contradict public testimony Monday by FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers.

Comey and Rogers stated during an intelligence committee hearing that they had no information to support Trump’s claims in a series of tweets that he had been placed under electronic surveillance by President Obama. . . .

Asked if he could rule out that Obama was personally involved in the surveillance, Nunes said “No, I cannot.”

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75 Responses to An average Catallaxy reader is better informed than the average viewer of ABC news

  1. Beliaik says:

    Dunno if I’m shouting down a well, but I’ve started using the ABC and ACMA complaints systems (and the ABC’s code of practice) to lodge complaints when the sceptical side of coral bleaching stories isn’t shown – which is always.

    The first one was dismissed with straw-man arguments and appeals to authority by the ABC – but it has been accepted by ACMA and is under consideration.

    The second one is still with the ABC. Tellingly, they’ve had the second one longer than the first one already but have not yet dismissed it.

    I also started a change.org petition to lobby the Queensland Environment Minister to put the brakes on alarmist scientists who want to pump cold water onto a warm Reef to prevent bleaching -https://www.change.org/p/steven-miles-save-the-great-barrier-reef-from-industrial-scale-experiments – gotta do something…

    Idiots…

  2. Felix Kruell says:

    Really? That’s the overwhelming evidence? This conspiracy nonsense is bringing this otherwise fine site down.

  3. Baldrick says:

    The only reason to ever watch ABC News is if you want your news viewed from a Green-Left perspective, heavy on fake news, activism and social justice warrior militancy, which is why low informations love it.

  4. Nerblnob says:

    The average comic book reader is better-informed than the average ABC viewer.
    News has almost completely been supplanted by propaganda.

    Just look at some news transcripts or video from the 1960s to see how far the ABC’ standards have fallen. Same for The Age or almost any big media organisation now. Partly because of the internet and partly because of their own response to the internet by doubling down on misinformation and propaganda. I doubt they even know the difference themselves.

  5. Rabz says:

    One of the biggest stories on earth right now – the illegal surveillance of a president-elect by a sitting president in the USA – is being totally ignored by the ABC. No mention at all. Quite incredible.

    The CCC™ were discussing this tonight. The ALPBC “reports” what it wants to “report” (or otherwise fabricates – see numerous 4 corners broadcast over the last few years) and blatantly ignores what it doesn’t.

    As for the tapping of Fatty Trump, there is simply too much conflicting media noise to ascertain what actually happened. Add in massive dollops of plausible deniability and predefined narrative spouting courtesy of a cast of thousands of irrelevant, roped in drones and the entire scoop is rendered mush.

    This is what Fatty T and the rest of us are up against. The truth is out there, somewhere.

    The chances of it ever seeing the light of day are slim.

  6. custard says:

    Same as the ABC and The West Australian newspaper currently running dead on Ralph Blewitt being charged with 32 counts of detriment to Theiss Contracting.

    No curiosity that this might ensnare TLS into the mix.

    Wilful deception and fake news writ large.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Same as the ABC and The West Australian newspaper currently running dead on Ralph Blewitt being charged with 32 counts of detriment to Theiss Contracting.

    Sunday Times website covered it briefly….

  8. As for the tapping of Fatty Trump

    But Rabz, he’s gunna be impeached! That they said so the moment it became clear that he won the election. Not politically motivated, nosiree!!!

  9. sdfc says:

    Maybe they’re investigating because they think he’s a security risk.

  10. JC says:

    Maybe they’re investigating because they think he’s a security risk.

    It makes as much sense in reverse.

    Maybe they think he’s a security risk because they’re investigating him

  11. Tator says:

    No shit Sherlock, it is quite galling when you call out a warmist on Facebook and they go Murdoch 666 on you. Quite good fun pointing out that the ALPBC Greenfilth actually has a bigger influence than the 8% of people who purchase a Newscorp paper. Then throw in Fauxfax and The Guardian Left online and the Soros puppets at Getup and you can watch their heads explode when they realise they are full of shit about how influential Rupert is, especially when you ask them what is it like having Rupert live rent free in their head.

  12. mizaris says:

    The lefty edumacation system rots minds so they no longer know how to think critically or digest and analyse real news. It has to be drip fed (pun intended) in doses no larger than 140 characters; it has to be read only on spacechook; it must only ever tell one side of any story and no correspondence will be entered into. The absolute drivel I’ve heard today just on the footy is mindbending. This country is totally fucked and just waiting for takeover.

  13. Leo G says:

    Maybe they think he’s a security risk because they’re investigating him

    Maybe they’re investigating him so we think he’s a security risk?

  14. TC says:

    The reporting makes it sound to complicated , they never had to tap Trumps team , just tap every foreigner that they knew the transition team would have to talk to.

  15. Jannie says:

    If it had been Clinton surveilled by a Republican it would be big news, but the ABC exists only to spin the Leftist narrative. There is no point expecting the ABC to be any different, it will never change its bias. Don’t watch the ABC, just shut it down.

  16. Helen says:

    Thought I’d fact check this one, so I googled ABC Trump, and found extensive news items on Trump including several on the wiretapping allegations. So I conclude that what you really mean is not that the ABC has ignored the issue, but that they don’t believe it. Also they probably don’t give it as much coverage as you might like, but I suspect that’s because they don’t see any reason to join the conspiracy theory echo chamber.
    I would agree that this Catallaxy reader is better informed than some/most ABC followers. I am a regular ABC TV watcher, radio listener and website browser, but I also watch other TV stations, and read Catallaxy and other blogs to keep up with fake news and conspiracy theories. Many of the criticisms here of the ABC and ABC followers apply equally to Catallaxy and its followers. I’m fascinated by the inability of humans to see the mote in their own eye.

  17. Chris says:

    Wow Helen! You seem to have accidentally implied that Catallaxy followers are tax eaters funded to a billion dollars of OPM annually with charter obligatons to represent all Australians. And further that we betray our obligations and professional standards daily for the approval of our fepching buddies in the Green Left bath house.

  18. Texas Jack says:

    Helen 316am; Many of the criticisms here of the ABC and ABC followers apply equally to Catallaxy and its followers. I’m fascinated by the inability of humans to see the mote in their own eye.

    Helen, posting coherently at 316am you might like to take the time to read the little site descriptor at the top right. The one in italics.

    But also, unless I missed it, what with my mote and all, Catallaxy doesn’t take a cent from anyone in the community via taxation. Nor does it have or need a government act or charter since it has no need to continually throw out some piece of useless dribble as useful proof that it couldn’t possibly be biased. It and all us mote-eyed bigots can be as biased as we want as often as we want and at whatever expense in our own time and coin as we want.

    That you and ABC defenders can’t see the difference ain’t so much evidence of a mote as a very tired and moth-chewed Leftist blindfold.

  19. Ray says:

    Thus far the evidence against Obama personally is flimsy. Nothing has been said by Nunes or anyone else which indicates Obama ordered or even knew about any targeting of the transition.

    All we have so far, is here-say evidence from Nunes, that incidental surveillance may have been improperly used.

    The gathering of incidental intelligence is not illegal, nor is it inappropriate, depending upon the circumstances. Similarly, naming US citizens in intelligence reports is neither illegal nor inappropriate where it is considered that the naming of such individuals is necessary for the interpretation of such reports.

    In order for this intelligence gathering to be considered illegal, it would need to be established that member of the transition team were named without proper authorisation, or that the authorisation was granted for political purposes, or that the foreign intelligence surveillance actions were a sham to disguise politically motivated surveillance aimed at the transition. Whilst there may be sufficient justification to be suspicious of the motives behind the intelligence reports, there is no evidence of unlawful or inappropriate actions by anyone, other than the leaking of the contents of such reports to the media.

    Of course, there may be a smoking gun but, to date, that has not emerged. As a result, some of the claims being made by Trump fanatics are little better than the zealots of the left who distort the news for their own purposes, including Their ABC.

  20. Texas Jack says:

    The fact that the ABC and SBS are being allowed to go on should trouble us with or without a deteriorating national debt profile. There’s no case for their existence let alone continued existence. There’s no market failure in broadcasting save the failure born or private providers being forced to compete with a state funded circus that has too many tents pitched against them. There’s nothing Helen & Co can’t trawl around on the net or on free or pay TV and find at their own cost. There’s nothing. Nada. Zilch. No reason whatsoever they should exist.

    There’s also no reason for anyone to think or claim for a nanosecond they could or should or were or will ever be unbiased. Ever. They are biased. We should expect it, not be surprised. What organisation can evolve without a prevailing internal culture? All the more reason these things should be shut forthwith…

  21. Maybe they’re investigating because they think he’s a security their fat sinecures are at risk.

    I fixes it!

  22. Thus far the evidence against Obama personally is flimsy. Nothing has been said by Nunes or anyone else which indicates Obama ordered or even knew about any targeting of the transition.

    Yet which one is global headlines?

    Allegations against Trump. The real point is that Obama need not order such wiretapping explicitly when he has goons who will willingly do it for free. Drawing equivalence between allegations against Trump and allegations against Obama is invalid in light of the prevailing media frenzy. Tell me it ain’t so.

  23. Up The Workers! says:

    “An average Catallaxy reader is better informed than the average viewer of A.L.P.B.C. Views”

    And has a brain, too – something which cannot be said about the average low-browed, knuckle-dragging cretin who watches the “Australian LIARS’ Party Bullshittery Collective”.

  24. john constantine says:

    Their abc-everything that feels like it should be true to their anxious and heavily medicated target demographic.

    Taxfunded soma.

  25. Herodotus says:

    Further, there is no FTA antidote. With the exception of 2GB, all commercial TV and radio tends to be uncritical of the climate change disaster or of other pet memes. Sky and Fox are limited being subscription only.

  26. I Am the Walras, Equilibrate and Price Take says:

    Remember when the ALPBC and Fairfacked refused to cover or even mention that Kevin Rudd was as popular in his party as a bucket of ordure, and that his leadership was thus at risk? They used to hang crap on the Australian for covering it.

    And then all of a sudden, there was a spill, and Rudd was gone. And tens of thousands of ALP faithful felt betrayed, because they’d got their news from the ALPBC and had no idea they he was unpopular or had to go.

    Same will happen with Obama. One day the lefties will wake up and learn that Obama is being investigated for criminal prosecution, and they will be stunned, because the ALPBC will have left them in the dark.

    Remember also that this situation hurt Gillard. Because of the prior news blackout about Rudd’s fruitcskery and incompetence, rather then being seen as a saviour she was seen by the faithful as a backstabber. The ALPBC’s bias hurt the first female prime minister.

    They’re lefties, ok, so they’re stupid. But their stupidity is ultimately self defeating. The lefties destroy every institution they occupy. We just need to keep fighting the good fight.

  27. iampeter says:

    I guess this is a big story for big Trump supporters evading the fact that after a month or so it’s now pretty clear what a disaster the Trump administration is going to be.

    He couldn’t even implement an idiotic Muslim ban, but called it that to fool the silliest of his supporters.
    He couldn’t put Hillary in jail or even politically maneuver to get a proper investigation of one of the most corrupt American politicians in history to get going again.
    He is never going to repeal Obamacare and is even going to end up with more regulations if his “repeal” bill gets passed. From that point forward Conservatives own this mess and the destruction of healthcare will continue in America. Next step socialized healthcare. Hey, who wants to bet that might even get introduced under Trump?

    Oh and I can’t wait for the bubble that has been re-inflated since 2008 to burst and for some real banking nationalization under Great Leader Trump to get going.

    But yea, let’s not talk about the fact that Trump is actually easily as left wing as Obama, without the intellectual coherence though, and focus on this wiretapping nonsense.

    I mean come on Trump was randomly tweeting crap that night and in between tweeting about the Apprentice he made reference to random and seriously old news stories about Trump associates getting incidentally caught up in wiretapping operations against Russians that talk to Americans.

    The issue is this stuff shouldn’t be getting leaked and people should go to jail for that BUT as Conservatives, as a Trump supporter, you’ve got WAAAAYYY bigger problems than this story.

  28. Stimpson J. Cat says:

    I will go you one better.

    An average Catallaxy reader with serious mental illness is better informed than the average viewer of ABC news

    Fixed.

  29. iampeter says:

    Apparently Conservatives just pulled the Trumpcare bill. That’s some good news.

    Now will they go back to the drawing board or has too much political capital already been expanded for absolutely nothing?

  30. TC says:

    Remember when Gillard said she did nothing wrong , the media then set the bar at proving she did something illegal , it never mattered that the assistance she gave her boyfriend was wrong and the reason she was arsked to leave her law firm . Trump , according to the media , has to prove Obama physically wire tapped his phone . In both cases even the right wing media gets sucked into looking for the ” smoking gun ” . They should be looking at how cunning people use the law to achieve a morally wrong outcome.

  31. Tel says:

    So, Catallaxyfiles has an “average” reader…

    Which one of you is going around being average huh? Own up.

  32. A Lurker says:

    Australian citizens – “kept in the dark, left uninformed and fed a bunch of sh**.”

  33. Muddy says:

    Beliaik. Well done to you for doing something practical.

  34. dweezy2176 says:

    Seems strange “our” ABC isn’t highlighting the fact that One Nation now has 3 WA senators given the hystrionics they came up out with over the, perceived, drop in enthusiasm they happily ran with, immediately, following the WA election

  35. Megan says:

    …that Trump is actually easily as left wing as Obama, without the intellectual coherence though…

    If you imagine for one minute that Obama is intellectually coherent you are delusional. His real abilities are clear to see on those occasions his teleprompter failed. He is so intellectually coherent he could not write his own book. Trump may well fail to deliver on his promises but talking up the previous incumbent does not help your argument in any way.

    I think we found the less than average Cat reader.

  36. candy says:

    Which one of you is going around being average huh? Own up.

    That would be me, well under-average, I think. Lol. I’m good with that.

    Anyways, I think it’s easy enough to see the style of people the ABC support politically – not so much the side. A well educated, cultured, progressively leaning, well dressed stylish types – Clinton, Obama,Rudd, Turnbull, J. Bishop, Di Natole. Same with Fairfax.
    It’s almost like a uniform, the type they support, and print no adverse stories. Just ignore anything not favourable. Ms Clinton’s shadiness, Di Natole paying slave wages virtually to his au pairs – simply ignore these things.
    The Hansons and Abbotts are simply deplorable to them and don’t fit the style they like. It’s predictable, I think, who they will support.

  37. Boambee John says:

    Ray at 0447

    I doubt that Obama had to say “Who will rid me of this turbulent Trump”. Plenty of D’rat sympathisers in the bureaucracy would know to take the initiative, while leaving Obama with plausible deniability.

    Obama’s error, I suspect, will turn out to be the change in dissemination rules he approved early in 2017 allowing wide dissemination of information containing the names of US citizens.

    Strict rules applied previously to protect the privacy of US citizens. Wider dissemination with the names still included was clearly intended to increase the likelihood of leaks, as actually occurred.

  38. Tel says:

    If you imagine for one minute that Obama is intellectually coherent you are delusional.

    Sure he is intellectually coherent… yesterday he liked power and would do “whatever it takes” to get it. Today he still likes power and would still do whatever it takes. Tomorrow he will remain much the same.

    It’s this level of consistency that would lead me to believe Trump’s campaign was under surveillance.

  39. Boambee John says:

    iampeter at 0707

    So now Obamacare will continue unchanged.

    When it collapses of its own weight, it will be be Obamacare that collapses, and Trump will rub the D’rat’s noses in it.

    Three dimensional chess.

  40. stackja says:

    If the MSM reports it, it is fake.

  41. one old bruce says:

    During the Pacific War and for a decade or two after, Australians saw the Americans as extraordinarily dynamic and creative, by an order of magnitude more than anything they’d previously seen.

    But dealing with things on such a big scale, you had to stick with them as it may look chaotic in the details. There was plenty to quibble about at that small level, but huge things were happening if you step back. Also they never really cared if implementation was messy, it was the big result they were after.

    We have gotten so used to the postmodern fatalistic feministic America, but some of us remember that old dynamism. The US could not keep functioning if that old dynamism wasn’t still the driving force, mostly it seems by old ‘white’ men.

    It has been so gratifying in the last few months to see these guys emerge from the shadows in the US, the hard men without whom it would fall apart. Their numbers are thinning and they themselves are weakening, but there may be enough of them left to M.A.G.A.

    No doubt the glass-half-empty crew will pick all the apparent faults at this time. I wonder if what we are seeing is like an artillery crew finding their range: first too short, then too far to the side. Once they get the target in range though, things can change very fast. Unlike the movies, Americans don’t just wave their guns around. Once they’re on target, it’s doomsday for anything in their path.

  42. Chris says:

    Once they’re on target, it’s doomsday for anything in their path.

    I suspect that such men fighting to defend their slice of tax pie will indeed be savagely creative, and awesome to watch.

  43. egg_ says:

    there is simply too much conflicting media noise to ascertain what actually happened. Add in massive dollops of plausible deniability and predefined narrative spouting courtesy of a cast of thousands of irrelevant, roped in drones and the entire scoop is rendered mush.

    The same can be said of any alleged ‘conspiracy theory’.
    The problem comes when you’re an SME on a contentious issue and know that the public have been handed misinformation by the authorities and you risk being labled a conspiracy nutjob for raising a peep.

  44. egg_ says:

    Beliaik. Well done to you for doing something practical.

    +1

    Bizarre how ‘Catalyst’ got the @rse, but they were caught out misreporting (medical information IIRC).
    One flagship CAGW propaganda unit bit the dust.

  45. Eyrie says:

    Only reason to watch ABC is to find out what the enemy is thinking. Took about 5 minutes of ABC news last night in the middle of the bulletin before changing channels in disgust.

  46. a happy little debunker says:

    Ray #2336066, posted on March 25, 2017 at 4:47 am
    Names were leaked – that is a US federal crime.

    Nunes also said the reports, he saw, had nothing to do with Russia – suggesting an even bigger crime, in that the information disseminated was far from incidental.

    Nixon did not order or participate in Watergate – yet it was his ‘administration’ that undertook that activity.
    Likewise, I’m sure Obama has plausible deniability – but that shouldn’t lessen the charge.

    Helen @ #2336060, posted on March 25, 2017 at 3:16 am

    I found no mention at the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), but lots at their ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation).

  47. iampeter says:

    If you imagine for one minute that Obama is intellectually coherent you are delusional.

    Obama is a collectivist in principle and all of this policies are derived from these principles. You’ll never see Obama supporting free market anything.
    His ideas are all bad and need to be opposed by you can’t call him incoherent.

    Trump on the other hand, typical of most Conservatives, has no principles, no guiding ideology of any kind and is just all over the place with his policies.
    Same with our very own Abbott and Howard before him.
    That’s how we generally get Conservatives growing the state as much as or more than any other leftists. They can’t actually articulate any pro-individualist/capitalist positions. They don’t have any.

    Back to Trump though and the reporting on him. This whole tweet business has blown out of proportions for two reasons:
    1. “The Left” and that includes most of the mainstream media, have no clue what’s going on and couldn’t report on anything with even a semblance of competence
    2. Conservative/alternative media are playing it up, because its a way to evade just how bad everyone can now see this administration is going to be

    Trump may yet make Obama and Hillary look like free marketeers in comparison.

  48. T29E says:

    Thank you Rabz, Eyrie, Beliaik, Baldrick, Nerblnob and everyone for your accurate input.

    Years ago we complained to a Minister of Communications, yes, Lord Waffleworth AKA The King with New Clothes. One of his quill drivers replied for him along the lines of, “Don’t bother me. Tell the ABC”
    We did. NO reply.

    More recently, a complaint to them re blatant propaganda and the omission of important factual INFO drew their reply that they were AUSTRALIA’S MOST TRUSTED and ACCURATE NEWS SOURCE.

    We then sent them REAL news that they ignored and a suggestion to subscribe to e.g., Breitbart, Townhall, Newswithviews, The Drudge Report, The Geller Report, etc.

    Strange, but there was no reply.

    It is pointless seeking real change in the ABC until a Nuremberg type trial is convened with someone like South Carolinan congressman ex-DA and Federal Prosecutor Trey Gowdy asking the questions about who gives the orders and why.

    Seemingly very few of our current MPs or senators have the intelligence, motivation or courage to do it.

  49. Fulcrum says:

    Stating the obvious, callaxyfiles contributors are more diverse, less inclined digress from the issue, less likely to personalise issues and less likely to engage in histrionics.

    No one can express individualism better than the nonedescript guy, at the end of sketch, who disagrees with the the chanting mob.

    https://youtu.be/QereR0CViMY

  50. Rohan says:

    Trump and most conservatives have no principles?

    So that’s why I’m so deplorable. Thank you for clearing that up.

  51. Turtle of WA says:

    One of the genuinely astonishing parts about discussing politics with most people is that the only things they know about are what they find on the news or in the papers, which means everything that might in any way contradict their leftwards worldview is kept from them by every means possible.

    I had this experience yesterday with an educated person who truly believed that “wind farms” were not the cause of the SA blackouts. It’s frustrating, and a bit of a laugh.

  52. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    How long did it take for the ABC to actually become aware of the fact that the Trade Union Royal Commission was actually in session and taking evidence? And the minute Catholics, and especially Pell, were named as runners at The Slapper’s Royal Commission, the ABC were on to it before the hearings commenced.

  53. Nerblnob says:

    educated person who truly believed that “wind farms” were not the cause of the SA blackouts

    Pretty much everyone I know in Australia, outside of my oil industry colleagues who are mostly engineers, believes that. It’s privatisation wot caused it, is the new mantra.

    Of course, I arrived in Australia as the first lot was happening and laughed, “renewables fail!”

    Shocked silence, followed by retort of “it wasn’t renewables!” and I looked at the ABC and The Age and realised they’d started up the “not renewables!” chant before the first pole had even hit the ground.

    Nothing like getting your excuses in early.

  54. egg_ says:

    The Slapper’s Royal Commission

    The ‘Spanish Inquisition’ into the RC?

    Now ‘da mysogynee’ misandrist is running Beyond Blue? The Libs have a GSOH, obviously.

  55. Cui bono says:

    Ray sounds very comfortable with big intrusive unaccountable govt.
    Walras quite correct. Fran Barrie and the rest now nod knowingly of the dysfunction but at the time it was all about Abbott Abbott Abbott.

  56. Dianeh says:

    Strict rules applied previously to protect the privacy of US citizens. Wider dissemination with the names still included was clearly intended to increase the likelihood of leaks, as actually occurred.

    I don’t believe the changes were made to increase the likelihood of leaks but to make it extremely difficult to know where the leaks came from. Leaking of information that can only be accessed by a small audience increases the likelihood of getting caught.

  57. Irreversible says:

    Kates, it really pisses me off that taxpayers employ you to educate kids. Here we have yet another example of bilge and garbage, plain distortion and utter stupidity.
    1. It is now extremely hard to find a soul with any credibility who accepts that Trump was not totally in error to tweet his charge that Obama tapped his home. Both FBI and NSA directors (also citing Justice) say it was wrong. Trump now says he read it somewhere (the ABC?).
    2. The FBI director has given evidence to say that it is investigating connections between Trump and Russian interests that explicitly relate to election tampering. So it is not in the least bit surprising that records exist. Let’s see what happens to that inquiry.
    I would add that it is absurd for a public funded academic to accuse everyone else of being duped by media when that academic cites totally unreliable evidence-free web sites as his source of facts.
    Here’s tip Kates: you can usually see the actual horses mouth (Trump, Nunes, Comey etc) on You Tube. Y’know, the world wide web.

  58. Zatara says:

    a happy little debunker – spot on.

    Ray #2336066, posted on March 25, 2017 at 4:47 am
    Names were leaked – that is a US federal crime.

    To be exact, it is a Felony with a 5 jail jail term for each occurrence. Do it twice in a convo and you are looking at 10 years. Be a gossiper that passes it along and you will be joining felon #1.

    There is absolutely no doubt that Mike Flynn was taped, his name was unmasked, a manuscript of the conversation made, and all of that was leaked to the Democrats (remember, Hillary used it in a speech before the papers ever printed it). All of that while he was still a private citizen by the way.

    So no matter what else did or did not happen, some very serious felonies are contained just in the knowns so far. In this example it simply remains to find out who authorized what and let them explain why… at their trial.

    Helen @ #2336060, posted on March 25, 2017 at 3:16 am
    I found no mention at the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), but lots at their ABC (American Broadcasting Corporation).

    The dead give-away was that no links were included with the initial post.

  59. mh says:

    An average Catallaxy reader is better informed than the average viewer of ABC news

    Steve, when did you last view the Open Forum?

  60. ArthurB says:

    Whenever their ABC (and the other TV channels) have a program on renewables, you never get the opinion of someone in the power generating business, it is always Green politicians and activists, who just keep repeating the mantra that Australia must decarbonise, ignoring the fact that we as a nation produce less than 1.5% of global emissions, so that what we do will have an infinitesimal effect. They also love to say that going renewable will generate thousands of well-paying jobs.
    I have a friend, now retired, who used to be an engineer with the State Electricity Commission, he tells me that renewables can never provide a reliable supply of base-load power, and I am sure you would get the same answer from any engineer who has worked in the business.

  61. Malcolm Thomas says:

    Libertarian, small government thought and policies have much appeal, and I am no fan of the ABC which most surely does exhibit a left-liberal bias, but the absurdly ridiculous conspiracy theories getting such airplay on this once fine site are embarrassing, and so easy for opponents to dismiss.

  62. Zatara says:

    12 Pieces Of Proof: The MSM Knew Obama Spied On Trump and LIED To Cover It Up

    It’s a simple concept, one cannot report on an event, then claim it never happened, then explain away how they knew about it in the first place.

  63. Cui bono says:

    Trump should have tweeted about the ‘previous administration’ rather than Obama.
    Still his ‘outrageous’ claim draws attention to a serious matter his media foes would otherwise glide over because God PbuH.

  64. Tel says:

    Trump should have tweeted about the ‘previous administration’ rather than Obama.

    Yeah, because Obama was playing golf for 8 years and had no idea what was going on… while the rest of the people he hired actually went and did stuff.

  65. hzhousewife says:

    Pure physics will ultimately defeat the sun/wind industry, but their current abysmal science education will allow the scam to go on for a few years yet.
    As for the warming/CO2 stuff, I wish the Maunder minimum would hurry up, so we could have some peace and quiet over the issue.

  66. Anthony Park says:

    Trumps claim was initially believable – the NSA did spy on American citizens, so why not Trump? However, there is currently no compelling evidence Obama ordered the Trump transition to be wiretapped.

    The allegations were denied by GCHQ and the FBI. Keeping in mind the FBI more or less destroyed Clinton’s remaining credibility right before ballots were cast. It seems illogical that the FBI would give Trump the Whitehouse then spy on him at Obamas request.

    I think these posts of Steves are verging into conspiracy theory territory.

  67. Andrew says:

    Hi Alan!

  68. Tator says:

    Candy, I reckon I would be near the bottom of the pile here at the Cat, with only Numbers, Monty and the token trolls below me. I originally came here for the discussions on economics so I could learn more about the subject. Stayed because I found that this site showed me that not everyone out there on the net were total SJW leftist knobjockeys and that there were people like me politically discussing things from a totally different point of view to places like the Punch and ABC.

    As for the so called surveillance on Trump and his election campaign. It doesn’t really matter who did it and who ordered it, if it happened under Obama’s watch, his administration is accountable for it, no matter what crap excuses like plausible deniability which are generally terms used by non political employees use to protect the political appointed and elected officials from Senate or Congressional hearings. But everyone knows that tacit consent was given for these activities, even if explicit orders were not given from the top,

  69. cohenite says:

    1. It is now extremely hard to find a soul with any credibility who accepts that Trump was not totally in error to tweet his charge that Obama tapped his home. Both FBI and NSA directors (also citing Justice) say it was wrong. Trump now says he read it somewhere (the ABC?).

    Oxymoron of the year; and stupidest fucking comment.

  70. Walter Plinge says:

    Which one of you is going around being average huh? Own up.

    Oh, that’s me. Very average.
    The best sources of news of this matter is Powerline and Heat Street (Dow Jones’ version of the Puffington Host).

  71. Vicki says:

    I have not had much difficulty in believing that it was quite possible, even likely, that the White House used its natural security apparatus to gather useful information about Trump prior to the election.

    The Democrats have long demonstrated the political dictum that the end justifies the means. And Obama, as POTUS, used just about every presidential means available to him to frustrate the Republican control of Congress to get his agenda into the history books.

    Clearly, the Dems were hell-bent on getting Hillary into office. What is a little wire-tapping between friends if the good cause gets up?

    And Comey? Why does everyone assume he would have necessarily known?

  72. Tom C says:

    Imagine the wall to wall coverage the ABC would have provided if they thought that George W Bush was using government surveillance to investigate the Obama camp prior to the 2008 election.

  73. Dr Fred Lenin says:

    The average ALPBC supporter is highly educated usually with a degree or two from uni ,a product of the education system most are employed by governments ,and they live in green held seats in inner city areas or are treechangers who left government jobs with big payouts to start wineries making atrocious overpriced wine you wouldnt use to mix cement That explains their total unawareness of real life . You l”That explains why they are alpbc supporters ,listening to other muppets as ignorant of life as they are ,and experts who know everything after reading s couple of books . Hive off country radio for emergency services ,float two public companies alpbc a d sbs ,pay out entitlements and super in shares in the company and tell themits sink or swim . Reality brings knowlege comrades .

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