Open Forum: April 29, 2017

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  1. Huck

    Re the earlier discussion about air travel….
    As some of you here are aware, in a previous life I was an air traffic controller. You could not pay me enough to fly Garuda, Jetstar or any Chinese airline. Under no circumstances. Ever.

  2. srr

    calli
    #2367048, posted on April 29, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    srr, your post at 7:01 is the grossest personal attack I have ever seen on this blog to either male or female.

    Shame on you.

    No.
    That’s a lie, and you know it, but who cares, so long as it’s the liars lying for the liars, all’s good with you lot.

    Maybe I should have just told the scum to pleasure itself with a moldy dildo, like your beloved Lizzie told johanna, or maybe I should suggest it’s into sex with livestock as JC insulted her with, or maybe you mob should just stop making shit up, get off your imaginary moral high horses and show a bit of consistency in your outrage; you know be consistently outraged about real evils, committed by real people in the real world, instead of consistently trying to deflect from those realities by confecting outrage on behalf of made up anonymous names on an anonymous blog. … oh, and as to always demanding people name names before they’re arrested, that’s called tipping the the evil bastards off; not something good people do.

  3. 132andBush

    Watching the Fordham, Mundine, Latham discussion.
    Mundine comes across as a dangerous zealot. A barely comprehensible one.

  4. Fisky

    Very shit game at fake Domain Stadium. What a dumb idea it was to design a field like that!

  5. Fisky

    Eagles should have won 5 premierships by now, if their home ground wasn’t totally gay.

  6. Huck

    BrettW
    #2367117, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    Seriously, let it go. You really come across as an obsessive loser.
    Get a life.

  7. rickw

    Re the earlier discussion about air travel….
    As some of you here are aware, in a previous life I was an air traffic controller. You could not pay me enough to fly Garuda, Jetstar or any Chinese airline. Under no circumstances. Ever.

    For me the difference is landings. QF crew, nail it each time no matter how shit the weather, also same for united (former continental Micronesia on sort strips in Micronesia), everyone else, not so much, Virgin in particular usually makes me think, WTF are you doing after a wobbly approach and floating 1m off the runway for what seems like forever.

  8. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 20h20 hours ago

    What was all the controversy about? The National Gallery of Canada invited me to talk on creativity

    Lectures: Exploring the Psychology of Creativity
    National Gallery of Canada

    Apr 27, 2017
    What is creativity? Can we develop it, or is it innate? Watch the conversation between Marc Mayer, Director and CEO of the National Gallery of Canada, and Dr. Jordan Peterson, Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto, which took place March 9, 2017 at the National Gallery of Canada.

  9. calli

    I knew you would call me a liar, srr.

  10. Huck #2367125, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    BrettW
    #2367117, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:31 pm
    Seriously, let it go. You really come across as an obsessive loser.
    Get a life.

    Does anybody know how much money Huck owes to JC?

  11. Gab

    I knew you would call me a liar, srr.

    Which is amazing given her comments are still there. But then again, I suspect srr is quite deranged, poor old sod.

  12. Fisky

    I’m impressed with how shit the Eagles are playing while still maintaining a 50 point lead.

  13. egg_

    Virgin in particular usually makes me think, WTF are you doing after a wobbly approach and floating 1m off the runway for what seems like forever.

    So it’s not just me (seems like ‘work experience’ is flying the plane)?
    Hosties are always pleasant, however.

  14. Breaking news from the Friedman Conference; the BFG (Bald, Fascist, Gnome) has just been awarded Libertarian of the Year.

  15. H B Bear

    Well that is a bigger honour than the Nobel Peace Prize.

  16. Huck

    Fuck off Steve. Fucking pigeon pair of obsessive fuckwits, both of you.
    Got another bullshit anecdote with which to regale us? C’mon, tell us about the time you climbed Everest wearing nothing but your Stubbies shorts, blue shearers singlet and double plug thongs (because you’re not a real Aussie if you wear anything else). No? You’ve always done something bigger, been somewhere better. Fucking anecdote for every occasion.
    Tell us again how those of us that live where the other 90% of Australians live don’t really live in Australia.
    There’s a reason not many people live where you do, it’s a fucking shithole.
    You’re the biggest know nothing know-all blowhard on this site.

  17. calli

    Breaking news from the Friedman Conference; the BFG (Bald, Fascist, Gnome) has just been awarded Libertarian of the Year

    🎉 No wonder my comment is still in moderation.

    It can stay there! 😃

  18. jupes

    Very shit game at fake Domain Stadium. What a dumb idea it was to design a field like that!

    Oh I dunno.

    I reckon the game is going okay.

  19. Faces being lost all over the shop.

    Oh, how I miss Leak.

  20. JC

    Does anybody know how much money Huck owes to JC?

    Not last time I looked at my bank account, pubbler.

    Huck is being sincere. Rooster is a fucking loser.

    But what about you pubbler? You know, those late nights when Ronery is on his knees cocksucking like a queens blvd hoiker. How much is he paying you?

  21. cohenite

    132andBush

    #2367120, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    Watching the Fordham, Mundine, Latham discussion.
    Mundine comes across as a dangerous zealot. A barely comprehensible one.

    Mundine is a piece of work; it’s everyone else’s fault. The poor, pure aboriginals; they are oppressed, downtrodden and victimised by the white bastards; no chance for any of them, just like mundine, a millionaire from bashing the tripe out of other people and getting none of the tripe belted out of him. Bravo to Latham for having the dickhead on and taking it up to him.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But then again, I suspect srr is quite deranged, poor old sod.

    Wot I thought too, Gab. srr goes right off sometimes on her Satanism kick. You are no Hall Monitor, Calli, but to keep the Cat from sinking under the weight of someone’s psychiatric aggression it is important that sane individuals like you, usually full of beautiful chuckles, call out those clearly off their meds and spluttering with anger.

    srr is making a voyeuristic obsession about ‘Satanic’ child sexual abuse; it is unhealthy. We all know serious forms of abuse exist, under whatever perverted belief system the perps claim to follow, and Cats support all measures to eradicate it and bring any perps to justice.

    This has never been in any doubt, srr.

    Hey, someone has just sent me a nice photograph of myself with two others, taken at a lunch last week. I am smiling in that tricky full-of-fun way and look bright-eyed. Champagne at lunchtime does that. 🙂

    The other two girls look half pissed, with their mouths open roaring with laughter. In contrast I seem relatively OK. My approachable smile means I was probably too mellow to have appreciated the joke.

  23. Leftism makes people stupid.

    No, it just captures those who are already there.

  24. Lol, Huck is a tad triggered. By the tone & language Huck is not only on the turps early, but is dealing with some serious self-esteem issues.

    Poor Huck. Sad to see a fellow Cat in such advanced emotional distress.

  25. Andrew

    Shammy, good for soaking up hooker’s blood.

    Useful to know. Recently pursuing my hobby of banging Asian chicks (although not paying for it, of course), the sheila had an early visit from Aunt Flo. The next morning the room looked like a halal slaughterhouse.

  26. Does anybody know how much money Huck owes to JC?

    Not last time I looked at my bank account

    Oh dear, poor JC fails (again).
    The very nature of owing money is that it ain’t in the creditor’s bank account.

    Once again, Serious question: Just how stupid are you JC?

  27. srr

    Rita Panahi‏Verified account @RitaPanahi

    Saudi Arabia really is a stain on humanity. Vile, backward, brutal hellhole.

    DEATH SENTENCE Saudi Arabia sentences an atheist to death for uploading a video renouncing Islam and the Prophet Mohammed
    The man, reportedly in his 20s, was deemed ‘insane’ by his lawyers because he was using drugs and alcohol when he committed blasphemy

    Al Shamri, in his 20s and from the town of Hafar al-Batin, was deemed ‘insane’ by his lawyers because he was using drugs and alcohol at the time he committed blasphemy, reports Erem News.

    Saudi Arabia, which has been criticised for its poor human rights record, forbids its citizens from denouncing Islam and those who turn their back on the religion can be executed.

    The Independent reports that many Saudi social media users backed the decision to execute the non-believer.

    One wrote: “If you’re a low key atheist that’s fine.

    “But once you talk in public and criticise God or religion, then you shall be punished.”

    Another said: “I wish there could be live streaming when you cut his head off.”

    Saudi Arabia carried out 153 executions under its strict Islamic legal code in 2016.

    The ultra-conservative kingdom is one of the world’s most prolific executioners and murder, drug trafficking, armed robbery, rape and abandoning religion are all punishable by death.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3427294/saudi-arabia-death-sentence-atheist-islam-prophet-mohammed/
    ___________________

    That news contains this image and caption –

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nintchdbpict000319754011.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100
    Members of Magic Movement, a group of young Bangladeshis, stage a mock execution scene in protest of Saudi Arabia beheading of eight Bangladeshi workers in front of National Museum in Dhaka in 2011

    Now, the 3 Australians facing Court in Victoria in May, for staging a mock execution, weren’t anywhere near as elaborate as those young Bangladeshis. For instance, they only used a rough dummy, not a real hooded person kneeling in front of the obligatory onlooking crowd.

    I think the much loved and followed Rita and a whole crowd should turn up at that hearing with big blow ups of that Reuters image of those Bangladeshis in Dhaka, published in The Sun on the 27-4-2017, and ask why Australian’s in Australia have less rights than all of them.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But what about you pubbler? You know, those late nights when Ronery is on his knees cocksucking like a queens blvd hoiker. How much is he paying you?

    Another erudite, and learned post, from the traditional owner of this blog. Sad and pathetic, JC. Give it away, you really are past it all.

  29. Notafan

    Srr

    You chose to defend/excuse Ronald Bernard and haven’t really been very enlightening about your catholic satanic dutch princess.

    As for the rest, do rave on.

  30. jupes

    I reckon Shue / Kennedy are the football version of Lillee / Marsh.

    Superb to watch them in action.

  31. BrettW

    Huck,
    Thanks for your thoughts. Your words could equally apply to JC. However there is a major difference between JC and myself. I come in every now and again to have a go at him and I am very open about my motive to show him up for the troll he is. I don’t deliberately choose to engage in multiple arguments with multiple people as JC does almost daily. Even if I dont post for days he will still be fighting with somebody about something. If I pop up and make a harmless post it will often trigger him to make some snide comment. I just play his game in the manner he does.

    This evening I gave a good example of his double standards yet you think I am the loser. Good on you for supporting him but if it is OK with you I will continue to highlight his pathetic trolling by doing to him as he does to others. I am sure he does not mind because he always claims to be battering everybody he does not agree with.

    In my view he is clearly the loser as he clearly wants to stir up trouble pretty much daily. However no problem if you wish to be in his loser fan club.

    Huck
    #2367125, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:39 pm
    BrettW
    #2367117, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    Seriously, let it go. You really come across as an obsessive loser.
    Get a life.

  32. Andrew

    In case you read any #FakeNews: Even CNBC admits:

    First-quarter GDP tends to underperform because of difficulties with the calculation of data that the government has acknowledged and is working to rectify.

    In effect, the US statistician does not publish Q1 GDP but a low, random number unrelated to economic activity. That was the case during the Kenyan Admin and remains the case now. Q2 will provide a more realistic estimate of the effect of the loss of Illegal Immigation Stimulus Multiplier.

  33. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Useful to know.

    Oh dear, Andrew. Not sure we really needed to know that.

    But at least it reinforces the fact that girls are very different physically to guys.
    Gender-free society politely forgets about that bloody business. I see it’s in the news today that breast-feeding too is a terrible insult to gender free-society and should be banned from public view.

    Talk about extreme fitting of the actual data to a patently ridiculous hypothesis.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    JC is just being JC. What he does. Baiting for fun. Live with it; mostly harmless.
    He’s really smart and pretty funny quite often, if you give leeway. Like IT.
    Two ancients of the blog.

    JC could go a bit easier on Johanna. She must be worn out responding.
    Feisty Kitteh there.
    Candy joshes him gently and he loves it, the old lion.
    Much easier.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Didn’t realize that Marianne Faithful had recorded “It’s All Over Now Baby Blue.”

  36. Hydra

    Not an image I needed Andrew. You can detail your asian pick up tips later though.

  37. Hydra

    Is Garuda now not a 5 star airline?

  38. Hydra

    Eagles should have won 5 premierships by now, if their home ground wasn’t totally gay.

    They cannot win away from home.

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is Garuda now not a 5 star airline?

    I flew Executive class to Amsterdam in 2012, and if Garuda wasn’t a five star airline,well, they were a bloody good imitation.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I flew Executive class to Amsterdam in 2012, and if Garuda wasn’t a five star airline,well, they were a bloody good imitation.

    And, FWIW, I’ve flown first class Royal Brunei, business class to Europe, Royal Thai, KLM, and Business class to the United States with Malaysian Airlines. Garuda would be up there with the best.

  41. Libby Zee

    I flew JAL for the first time a few years back after that Nippon internally. Wow. The service was extraordinary and that was cattle class. Faultless, friendly and very easy on the eye.

    We have flown JAL many times and have always found the service excellent, both on the ground and on the plane. Easily better than any other airline in our travels.

  42. JC

    Finally a break through, the rooster finally sees the light and thanks Huck for suggesting Rooster is an obsessive loser.

    The problem with the Rooster is that he’s unable to get involved in debates or conversations other than at the most basic level. Hence why he thinks breathlessly reporting what Ray Hadley said is, in Rooster’s mind, adding to the sum of human knowledge.

    The Jetstar discussion was an interesting one. Quite a few people participated, offering differing views. We did, I believe, get to the final point though, in that no frills airlines offer a much different service to other carriers like Q or hybrids, such as Virgin, which try to play both segments. Despite complaints, revenues (ticket sales) and the bottom line are screaming higher for Jetstar, as my link excerpt showed. This implies people are aware of the bad rap, but still use the carrier because it’s so cheap.

    Rooster, like quite all the fan club members has no sense of humor, which is why the reverse Einstein thought I was being serious when using the word “we”. I was just kidding around.

    Just sad.

  43. jupes

    Didn’t realize that Marianne Faithful had recorded “It’s All Over Now Baby Blue.”

    One of the most covered songs of all time. Them (with Van Morrison) did a version.

    Here’s Van Morrison and Bob Dylan in a live version. Poor recording but great guitar work – allegedly from Mick Taylor according to the comments.

  44. jupes

    They cannot win away from home.

    Yeah nah.

    They are having a problem with the ‘G of late, but they’ve had some great away wins over the last couple of wins. GWS in Sydney and Adelaide in Adelaide for example.

  45. JC is just being JC. What he does

    He’s more of a scum than Yassmin and her mild Anzac Day comment.
    He’s said worse about diggers, said it deliberately, but without the civility she attached to her clueless comment.

    Yep, he’s just being himself. No wonder he can’t look in the mirror.

  46. JC

    In effect, the US statistician does not publish Q1 GDP but a low, random number unrelated to economic activity. That was the case during the Kenyan Admin and remains the case now. Q2 will provide a more realistic estimate of the effect of the loss of Illegal Immigation Stimulus Multiplier.

    I reckon it will be revised up much higher. I still can’t believe how frothy consumer sentiment didn’t translate into better retail sales/GDP.

    In any event the markets didn’t seem to care much. TLT was up tiny and the Dow down ever so slightly.

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    One of the most covered songs of all time. Them (with Van Morrison) did a version.

    So did Eric Burdon and the Animals..

  48. JC

    pubbler obsessing and being objective as usual.
    I think “the Diggers”… the real ones.. are fully able to take care of themselves here instead of requiring the assistance of a failing publican from the new nations regions. I’ve met a few of them.. the real ones… and they’re top blokes.

    They don’t seem to obsess about having faithfully served in hot wars and don’t appear to have personality defects like some others “warriors” who infest this site and describe “deployment” to a Pacific Island honeymoon resort as “dangerous”

  49. I’ve met a few of them.. the real ones… and they’re top blokes.

    Did you make your landmine joke to any of them? Especially Vietnam era infantrymen?

    No need to responsd, we know the answer.

    Yassmin is more Australian than you.

  50. custard

    With some friends and family tonight the idea of a 5% credit tax 5% debit tax was flagged. No other Taxes.

    No payg. No fuel tax no fbt no payroll tax no royalties no stamp duty no GST no tax return.

    Less government less taxes less regulation.

    Could it fly?

  51. egg_

    This implies people are aware of the bad rap, but still use the carrier because it’s so cheap.

    When Dixon created it, he saw it as the way of the future, surpassing Qantas for patronage.

  52. srr

    Imagine it’s your daughter battered and gang raped, imagine it’s your son in jail for confronting the gang rapists, imagine the Syrian gang rapists not charged, but whisked away to a safe house, imagine it’s in your neighbourhood, where they can kidnap and gang rape your daughter …

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YpJknrRQEPGj

  53. JC

    Did you make your landmine joke to any of them? Especially Vietnam era infantrymen?

    I wonder if you would call Ricardo a coward to his face like you suggested about people of his ethnic background, you white trash piece of shit.

    No need to responsd, we know the answer.

    Go try and turn your failing business around, you sad fuck. You’ve been here all day stoushing and “fact checking”.

    Yassmin is more Australian than you.

    This is coming from the weal astryan and the publican hero whose one of four throwing some deadbeat out and boasting about how tough he is.

  54. I wonder if you would call Ricardo a coward to his face like you suggested about people of his ethnic background, you white trash piece of shit.

    Wow, somebody is super-triggered.
    Begging for help coz you can’t fight a battle you started.

    What.a.surprise.

    You made a couple of statement there motormouth; now you have to back them up, provide evidence for:
    That I am “white” (never mind the “trash” bit – I’ll give you a pass on that)
    That my business is “failing”.

    Prove these….. GO!

  55. BrettW

    JC,
    You must be slowing down as nearly two hours for you come cone up with that drivel.

    Did I mention you are a loser? Would not want you to forget.

    Has been fun as always. What, is it two more hours before you sign off here ? Then we can expect you to spend most of tomorrow stirring up arguments again. When can we expect you to comment again on other people spending too much time posting here ?

    Pathetic.

  56. Did I mention you are a loser?

    Fact check status: True

  57. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 2h2 hours ago

    This is an active #RapeJihad against non Muslims.
    It’s not new either, been happening for centuries

    ____________

    Rotherham child sex gang shout ‘Allahu Akbar’ in court as they are jailed for 80 years for abusing girls, including one who became pregnant at just 12, after being groomed with alcohol and drugs

    *Six members of child sex gang given sentences between 10 years and 20 years
    *Two of the defendants shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ as they were led away from dock
    *The gang sexually abused two young Rotherham girls between 1999 and 2001
    *One victim fell pregnant aged 12 after being groomed with alcohol and drugs

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4184966/Child-sex-gang-members-shout-Allahu-Akbar-court.html#ixzz4fe7IO07C

  58. Zyconoclast

    I just finished watching Hacksaw Ridge.

    Now I know why it didn’t win the Acadamy Award.
    Too much bible and heroic white men.
    Well done Mel Gibson.

    I have an idea, If they had written in a couple of confused, homosexual, black men into the story, they may have been a chance.
    What do you think?

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    like some others “warriors” who infest this site and describe “deployment” to a Pacific Island honeymoon resort as “dangerous”

    You must surely be able to post where someone had made such a claim, though, wouldn’t you? The same as you must surely be able to post where someone had claimed where they had served in Viet Nam, and subsequently denied doing so? I’m waiting for your words of wisdom, oh traditional owner of this blog?

  60. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 3h3 hours ago

    Oxford sex gang victim aged 11 was ‘branded with initial of her abuser’ M for Mohammed
    ____________________________________

    Sex slave aged 11 ‘branded with initial of her abuser’: Child trafficker ‘used a heated hair pin to mark her as his property’

    *Nine men are accused of grooming and abusing vulnerable girls in Oxford
    *Child sex ring allegedly abused several girls – aged 11 to 16 over eight years
    *Gang member allegedly branded one schoolgirl with ‘M’ for Mohammed
    *Group’s second victim, aged 14, told a friend ‘she just wanted to be loved’

    A girl of 11 was sold to a child trafficker who branded her with his initial, a court heard yesterday.

    Mohammed Karrar, 38, also loaned her to abusers around the country for £600 an hour, it was alleged.

    Over five years she was repeatedly raped by large groups of men in what she described as ‘torture sex’, the jury was told.

    Seven men of Pakistani origin and two from North Africa are accused of 79 offences against six vulnerable white British girls. The charges include child rape, sexual trafficking and child prostitution.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263924/Oxford-sex-gang-victim-aged-11-branded-initial-abuser.html#ixzz4feA4hlXC

  61. Makka

    I have an idea, If they had written in a couple of confused, homosexual, black men into the story, they may have been a chance.
    What do you think?

    What about the trannie and the heroine who carries the moslem to safety?

  62. and getting none of the tripe belted out of him

    Au contraire.

  63. JC

    Wow, somebody is super-triggered.

    Na, Pubbler. I like taking you down as you make it super easy and appear obsessed with me.

    Begging for help coz you can’t fight a battle you started.

    What.a.surprise.

    You got me there. I have no idea what you’re trying to convey.

    You made a couple of statement there motormouth; now you have to back them up, provide evidence for:
    That I am “white” (never mind the “trash” bit – I’ll give you a pass on that)

    You’re not exactly royalty living in those jungle-like conditions.

    That my business is “failing”.

    Prove these….. GO!

    Most business people are super busy. (I manage a small business part time of about 15 people and no longer able to hang around here all day). They don’t have time to abuse and stoush with people on the web like you do most days. You’re always here with a sad sack writing style. A little while back you were complaining about being unable to obtain a loan and threatening to kill the bank manager if you were diagnosed with a terminal condition.

    I mean Pubbles, this isn’t how a successful businessman conducts himself. You also sound like a vindictive type who holds grudges, which appears to be getting worse and worse.

    Just today, you implied that your truckstop gets terrible TripAdvisor ratings.

    Should I call Saul the accountant? Ummm..

  64. .

    Wow. That Kangaroo Court guy is accusing another judge of being corrupt.

    That KC guy probably needs a psych test. IANAL. IANAD. IANAP.

  65. srr

    Pakistani Girl Kidnapped and Sold into Sex Slavery is Found and Returned Home Where She Is Honor-Killed By Brother for Being Whore

    Kainaat was twelve when she was kidnapped by relatives and sold into sex slavery.

    When she was found and returned to her family her brother shot her dead for being a whore.
    The Express Tribune reported:

    A teenage girl was found dead in a well at her home in Arbab Tapu area on Wednesday and police suspect that her brother murdered her for ‘honour’ and dumped her body there.

    An officer at the Mattani Police Station told The Express Tribune that Kainaat, 17, was shot dead by Qaisar Khan, her brother. Later, Qaisar threw his sister’s body in a well at their home.

    “The body is extremely decomposed as several days have passed since the murder. A Rescue 1122 team fished it out of the well after a lot of effort,” the officer added.

    A resident of the area said the girl had gone missing when she was 12. He added that the girl was kidnapped by her relatives and sold several times.

    She was then forced into prostitution in Lahore. Her father kept searching for her and was finally able to find her.

    The Mattani police had rescued the girl and returned her to her village.

    The resident said after the girl was rescued, she had identified the relatives who had kidnapped her when she was a child but they were never booked.

    The police said Qaisar had accused his sister of having illicit relationships with some men and that could have been the motive behind the murder.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/pakistani-girl-kidnapped-sold-sex-slavery-found-returned-home-honor-killed-brother-whore/

  66. Dearie me, JC is becoming verbose, and toning down on the language.
    Plus added a claim that he’s “taking people down”.

    Then doubles down on the bullshit stories.

    In other words he’s losing (again).

    Some things never change. Seriously, how much battering can one little coward take? He’s already called for help from the big kids.

  67. this isn’t how a successful businessman conducts himself

    Huh? You know how a successful businessman conducts themselves? How would you know this?

    Perhaps you read Leigh Sales’ book on how to run a small business?

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dearie me, JC is becoming verbose, and toning down on the language.
    Plus added a claim that he’s “taking people down”.

    You’re wasting your time. JC’s nurse has tucked him into bed, read him a nice story about how Uncle George helped deport the Joos of Budapest, and told him what a clever little JC he is…

  69. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 4h4 hours ago
    Tommy Robinson Retweeted Catholic Herald

    Wake the fuck up.
    Imams in Egypt don’t give it a shit in Christians due in the name of Islam.
    Most likely, they support it

    Catholic Herald‏
    @CatholicHerald

    Pope Francis urges imams in Egypt to ‘unmask violence’ in God’s name

    https://twitter.com/CatholicHerald/status/858229564455235584

  70. JC’s nurse has tucked him into bed, read him a nice story about how Uncle George helped deport the Joos of Budapest, and told him what a clever little JC he is

    Nope, he’s busy successfully managing a small business, and spending about 18 hours each day and 900 posted comments telling us that “successful small businessmen” don’t have time to go on to the net & haunt blogs…

    … or something like that……..

  71. JC

    You must surely be able to post where someone had made such a claim, though, wouldn’t you?

    You did, you little cocksucker on that thread you frequently mention. You suggested I should be eternally thankful to you for risking your life on a Pacific Island. You were deployed on a Pacific Island, right, or was that another boasting? Yes or no?

    The same as you must surely be able to post where someone had claimed where they had served in Viet Nam, and subsequently denied doing so? I’m waiting for your words of wisdom, oh traditional owner of this blog?

    I never mention this and for some reason you actually believe I would change what i believe to be true to placate you. You? You’ve made countless boasts about yourself in the past in your usual nightly drunken state, so why would my memory fail with this boast. You’ve raised this issue most evenings now for the past two years and you wonder why you were cheated on and dumped like a dirty pair of underwear.

    I’m now going to count the number of times you mention this as a tally.

    We’re up to 457 times. Tomorrow evening or the next night, it will be 458. (just helping you out, because you’re not the brightest spark at the Cat, you pea brain)

  72. BorisG

    why have cat discussions have become so useless?

  73. Dear brother Cat JC makes lots of representations about things which never actually happened. Attributing comments or claims to others, claims they never made.
    He’s never able to back up his mouth – by producing links or somesuch.
    Just mouths off.

    Fantasist.

  74. JC

    Wow, a twofer. Must have left a mark.

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367199, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:07 am

    Dearie me, JC is becoming verbose, and toning down on the language.
    Plus added a claim that he’s “taking people down”.

    Then doubles down on the bullshit stories.

    In other words he’s losing (again).

    Some things never change. Seriously, how much battering can one little coward take? He’s already called for help from the big kids.
    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367201, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:10 am

    this isn’t how a successful businessman conducts himself

    Huh? You know how a successful businessman conducts themselves? How would you know this?

    Perhaps you read Leigh Sales’ book on how to run a small business?

    I know quote a few, Pubbler. Trust me, they don’t go around high fiving themselves every time they posted a
    “fact check true” blurb against someone’s blog comment, as though they were the incarnation of Don Rickles, you boofhead.

  75. why have cat discussions have become so useless?

    Been that way for a while Boris.
    The reason was laid out a few weeks ago by one of the regulars.
    Something about a traditional owner seeing the Cat more as their own sounding room, rather than a discussion blog.
    Probably got a fair bit of legs that theory.

  76. Wow, JC knows a few successful small businessmen.
    Learn anything from them? Is this why you spend so much time on the farm, crutching the calves?

  77. JC

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367207, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:17 am
    A threeier. Shit, it did leave a mark. Rarely does one get a threeier.

    Dear brother Cat JC makes lots of representations about things which never actually happened. Attributing comments or claims to others, claims they never made.
    He’s never able to back up his mouth – by producing links or somesuch.
    Just mouths off.

    Fantasist.

  78. JC

    A Fourer!

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367210, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:20 am

    Wow, JC knows a few successful small businessmen.
    Learn anything from them? Is this why you spend so much time on the farm, crutching the calves?

  79. And that one is very accurate. Unless JC cares to post a link to some of his claims.
    All hat & no cattle.

    He’s a fantasist.

  80. JC

    A fiver. This could be a brain explosion.

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367213, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:22 am

    And that one is very accurate. Unless JC cares to post a link to some of his claims.
    All hat & no cattle.

    He’s a fantasist.

    No links pubbles. The good people can make up their own minds. I’d say a fair number would believe what i say.

  81. I’d say a fair number would believe what i say.

    Quite stupid of them (if anybody actually did believe your bullshit).

    You won’t be producing proof for the following claims:
    I am “white”
    my business is “failing”
    my place has, or ever has had “bedbugs”
    A loan application of mine was refused.
    That I am a peddle file (a claim you DID make).

    There is a reason that you won’t be producing proof.
    Those who may be inclined to believe you would do well to do quite some reflection upon why it is that you never come up with the goods.

    Never mind your similarly ridiculous claims about other Cats. You’re just a bullshit artist.
    And not as decent a specimen of Australianity as is our dead Yassmin.

    How did you parents manage to raise such a piece of shit? It it genetic? Or were they just failures at parenting?

  82. JC

    Yes, but we don’t know for how much, Egg. The number would be interesting. I hunted around yesterday to even see an estimate but can’t find one. I’m guessing it would be for $1 million?

  83. JC

    Quite stupid of them (if anybody actually did believe your bullshit).

    I don’t think so, Pubbles. I think a lot of people here would credit the claims I’ve made to be honest and true. They’ve seen what you’re like and most likely read the same things I have that you’ve posted. Trust me, you don’t come out smelling like a rose petal.

    You won’t be producing proof for the following claims:
    I am “white”

    You’ve posted pictures of yourself on your own blog. I even linked to a pic in your teen years, you drongo. This one. Pretty white looking to me and others would agree. Also pretty damned ugly for a kid.

    You’ve since changed the size of the pic so we can’t see you as clearly. Sad. Just sad.

    my business is “failing”

    You’re always complaining about your business and this evening you were implying there are lots of complaints about the truck stop on Tripadvisor.

    my place has, or ever has had “bedbugs”

    You’ve said so a few times that patrons have made complaints about bedbugs and that you refuse to believe them. Remember? I suggested you contact Anthony from Hotel Impossible for assistance. But of course you wouldn’t.

    A loan application of mine was refused.

    You specifically said that if you were diagnosed with a terminal illness you’d go into the bank and shoot the big honcho. You wouldn’t make this threat if you were deposing oodles of cash now, would you? Would you, Pubbler?

    That I am a peddle file (a claim you DID make).

    You supported Prince Andrew’s antics with Epstein. Recall? In fact you were defending him. Recall how you were talking about “drilling young meat”? I never suggested you’re a ped, but talking about young girls bordering on the age of consent like that is pretty depraved even for you.

    There is a reason that you won’t be producing proof.

    I’m making honest to goodness claims that I’m positive other people (not the fan club of course) would recall and agree with.

    Those who may be inclined to believe you would do well to do quite some reflection upon why it is that you never come up with the goods.

    Yea, no. Don’t think so. Ultimately it’s about persuading people what an absolute arsewipe you you are. It’s not hard, as you’d know.

    And not as decent a specimen of Australianity as is our dead Yassmin.

    Lol… and you’re a weal astryan, Pubbler. Fuck off, you dishonest white trash piece of shit.

    How did you parents manage to raise such a piece of shit? It it genetic? Or were they just failures at parenting?

    Well, you’ve claimed genetic association with criminals who were transported here. You’d know about the finer points of genetics, you bumbling weasel.

  84. classical_hero

    BoN, you must have missed my reply. Hopefully this doesn’t get lost in the petty arguments.

    What I was wondering was the comparison to the energy of hydrogen bombs with the energy the sun gives us.

  85. Andrew

    Evidently, all Zibelman’s talk about the “empowerment of the consumer ” in the ABC radio interview yesterday amounts to paying people to turn off their air conditioners on hot days and their heaters on cold days.

    Hypothetically, say someone lived in an apartment block that never really got cold (and in any case was Scandinavian and didn’t feel the cold). How might one be paid to disconnect a heater that was not in fact going to be needed in any case? Is there a smart metering device that would prevent the heater being turned on, and does that pay off (as opposed to actively turning off a device that is already on)?

    AFAF

  86. Infidel Tiger

    16h
    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    North Korea disrespected the wishes of China & its highly respected President when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. Bad!

    The Chinks must be super confused.

  87. JC

    How might one be paid to disconnect a heater that was not in fact going to be needed in any case? Is there a smart metering device that would prevent the heater being turned on, and does that pay off (as opposed to actively turning off a device that is already on)?

    I think they would make a credit above or below a certain temperature reading without the complications you’re suggesting.
    Purely in of itself I don’t think it’s that bad an idea, as it prices peak demand. It’s one reason why Uber has been able to succeed. It tries to price peaks and valleys in demand. Having said that, it comes from the concept of rationing energy which in a world with plenty of energy, is ridiculous.

  88. srr

    FUN WATCH! “The Size of Church Bells” – Intellectual Froglegs
    JoeDanMedia

  89. srr

    Notafan
    #2367154, posted on April 29, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    Srr

    You chose to defend/excuse Ronald Bernard and haven’t really been very enlightening about your catholic satanic dutch princess.

    As for the rest, do rave on.

    Care to post a full quote of your claim?

    You know, so we can see why it is you don’t know what it is you claim I did or didn’t do, “defend” or “excuse” a person in a video Anne posted.

    As to cults that spin off catholic stuff, why don’t you serve your faith by posting a list of the many that have suckered people away from God to satanism/luciferianism/baalism/all the other names Anti-Christ religions use [the cat’s precious atheist princess lizzie seems to be getting miffed that her prefered brand of Anti-Christs aren’t getting enough attention when it’s mainly one name of the legion, that all recognise, is being used]; seeing as you are such an expert on all things holy and unholy, and have worked so hard to CONvince everyone to disregard everything anyone you disapprove of has to say.

  90. Tom

    Lots to choose from in Week In Pictures. And the answer to the question is hilarious (Google it).

  91. Cold-Hands

    Who is Ronald Welch?

    That brought back some memories. Welch wrote historical fiction for boys. I think I read 9 or so of the 12 books of his Carey series when I was in primary school.

  92. Cold-Hands

    And the answer to the question is hilarious (Google it).

    Funny, I couldn’t see this pic in the Week In Pictures.
    Sadly, the picture was actually taken in 1951 when the purported subject was 11, so it’s not her.

  93. Notafan

    Page I of this thread at 1.14 srr was where you tried to wave away Ronald Bernard’s insane clearly imaginary statements by making comparisons to Jimmy Saville and Rotherham.

    Though a Google search shows claims by ‘Illuminati’ Ronald Bernard that he was ‘forced ‘ to perform child sacrifices at ‘elite parties’ so that doesn’t quite put him in the whistleblower category.

    My point is that this insane rubbish doesn’t need to be brought here and presented as reality.

    You keep shyly referring to catholic satanic child abuse crap, like that Fiona Barnett, whom you , in the past, also quoted with approval.

    You peddle malicious conspiracy nonsense and abuse anyone that calls you out .

  94. Notafan

    As for ‘cults that spin off catholic stuff ‘

    It is you who are making the claim so you prove it.

    Amazing, when it has been the Catholic Church, almost single handedly, that has stood firm for decades against the dens of Moloch known as abortion clinics that anyone fond of a bit of child sacrifice can participate in legally and you have the utter impudence to claim that the Church founded by Christ himself is responsible for your fictitious ‘cults’.

  95. rickw

    Pakistani Girl Kidnapped and Sold into Sex Slavery is Found and Returned Home Where She Is Honor-Killed By Brother for Being Whore

    A beautiful religion…

  96. calli

    Thanks, Tom. You’ve cheered me up no end.

    In light of last night’s discussion, this. Chuckle. Plus a deep and dark mystery.

  97. Bruce of Newcastle

    What I was wondering was the comparison to the energy of hydrogen bombs with the energy the sun gives us.

    Classical-hero – The climateers say 400,000 Hiroshima bombs per day of warming. Even though they aren’t hydrogen bombs there’s data as to their energy yield here.

    I was going to work it out, but in searching for data just now I came across this blogpost over at NTZ which already does the calcs:

    Daily Energy From “Negligible” Solar Irradiance Variation Turns Out To Be Far More Than 400,000 A-Bombs!

    The yield of the Hiroshima bomb was around 64.5 terajoules (TJ). So 400,000 of these would be about 25,800,000 TJ.

    But consider that over the 11 year sunspot cycle the energy output reaching the earth can vary by 0.1 percent (but other solar cycles can increase this up to 0.6 percent). So at maximum, it varies between 60,001,089,552 TJ/day to 60,151,017,312 TJ/day.

    Just the variation of the 11-year sunspot cycle is responsible for a change in the daily solar energy influx equivalent to 930,249 atomic bombs per day. At the maximum the change would be equivalent to 5,581,494 atomic bombs per day.

    So against all this, let’s compare his deliberately scary sounding atomic bomb imagery to the actual daily energy that reaches the earth from the sun: 59,971,104,000 TJ/day. That is 2,324 times larger than 400,000 atomic bombs or, rather, those bombs are equal to about 0.043% of the sun’s daily energy influx or 37 seconds of sunlight.

    A whole 37 seconds of extra sunlight? Scary.

    That indirectly shows the point that climate sceptics make about cloud cover, which the models can’t model accurately. A little more or little less cloud cover and you’d get the same sort of energy flux swings. The Svensmark mechanism, which the climateers ignore, shows how that might happen – and it has been experimentally verified by Kirkby and his team at CERN – which the climateers again ignore. Strange that.

  98. calli

    For the Cat fashionistas.

    Simply scroll to the second photo. No need to read the text as a picture speaks a thousand words.

  99. john constantine

    The future of social justice robot smart electricity meters looks bright.

    Their oligarchy skynet can use metadata to hunt down those that deny that diversity is our strength and blackout them first.

  100. john constantine

    Their social media has another tryout meme:

    Random drug and alcohol testing of firearm owners.

    Already, the State can do unwarranted and unannounced crime blitzes of registered legal firearm owners houses, and you don’t want to have half a dozen empty stubbies on the table by your chair and the cricket on the tele when they come through the door at night, all kitted out in bulletproof vests with stab plates and batgirl utility weapons belts.

    Random drug and alcohol testing of tory gunowners- we never thought they would win the right to dynamite coal plants, or put Stalinist Transvestites in charge of kiddies sexual and political indoctrination, or open the borders, or………..

    Australia, what could possibly go wrong next?.

  101. calli

    Turkey edges ever closer to being a larger, better fed North Korea.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Sunday Telegraph has a few unpaywalled articles this morning. I’ll post them separately as they’re each worthy.

    Best is:
    Piers Akerman: Which genius gave this Islam idiot a soapbox?

    A fine spray! ABC and DFAT get a pasting too, as does Defense over the Mona Shindy affair plus their unfortunate habit of buying very expensive lemons.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Then second best, by a whisker, is this one by Peta Credlin:

    Who’s got a woman problem now? It’s you, Malcolm

    Not only is it likely that the Coalition will suffer a generational wipe-out of female MPs at the next election but women voters are leaving the Coalition in droves.

    For the man who likes to think he’s got the Midas touch when it comes to women, Malcolm Turnbull’s result in the Australian Electoral Study is the worst of any Liberal leader in 30 years.

    According to the AES which analyses voter data via a significant survey taken immediately after each federal election, Turnbull’s 2016 result saw the lowest number of women vote Liberal-National since the survey started in 1987.

    Ouch! I doubt Nikki and Miranda will be on speaking terms with Peta for quite some time.

  104. Senile Old Guy

    Ouch! I doubt Nikki and Miranda will be on speaking terms with Peta for quite some time.

    Thanks for these links!

    And the conservative commentators are really getting stuck into Turnbull now. Late but good to read.

  105. calli

    Sharrouf is still alive and uploading delightful family videos.*

    He asks his little son “how do you kill an Australian?”

    These children cannot be repatriated. Thanks, Dad.

    * Suspect the article is paywalled. Just Google Khaled Sharrouf and the story will come up first.

  106. Bruce of Newcastle

    Then speaking of the lady, next comes Ms Devine’s rather fine article:

    Be warned: PC cops give rise to fear and loathing

    The aimless police actions leading up to the Bourke St massacre in January showcased Victoria’s abject capitulation to crime, the logical consequence of politically correct virtue-signalling, risk- averse policing.

    In a video posted on Twitter by Herald Sun crime reporter Andrea Hamblin, tourist Stefano describes the driver screaming: “Allahu akbar! Allahu akbar!”

    Hamblin later deleted the tweet: “Police have asked me (to) take down this video of a man speaking to journos at the scene. They’re concerned it makes people believe it was a terror event.”

    Which of course it was, rather like the ACL attempted suicide bombing which the media and police also don’t want to talk about.

    She goes on with certain communities and events in Melbourne which we here all know about but doesn’t get covered in the papers so often.

  107. Boambee John

    Just caught up with the overnight postings. My scrolling finger has developed RSI.

    Some posters here really need to get a life! 😀

  108. Geriatric Mayfly

    Centre stage again, Fatty Ashton and Dick Head Dan. Conjoined at birth.

    The aimless police actions leading up to the Bourke St massacre in January showcased Victoria’s abject capitulation to crime, the logical consequence of politically correct virtue-signalling, risk- averse policing.

  109. Sydney Boy

    Westpac has finally caved in to SJW minority interests and declared that it will not fund the Adani coal mine. Westpac’ Facebook page has been trolled for weeks by the same SJWs on every post accusing the bank of “destroying the reef”. Of course the proposed mine is 300km from the coast and never mind India is planning on building dozens of new coal-fired power stations in the next few years to elevate her citizens out of poverty. I guess the comfortable Australian SJWs just don’t like the thought of brown people having electricity. Racists.

  110. john constantine

    Bruce, in their yarragrad, nabob andrews has fundementally transformed vicpol and the use of the law, from obsolete interventionist enforcement into a weapon of the struggle for revolutionary political victory.

    A handful of selected top level vicpol crony Oligarch functionaries now boast of being able to create ‘police made law’.

    Political outcomes that progress the revolutionary struggle are selected first, then the law is pursued that produces the correct results.

    Judges that the left has occupied the system with at every opportunity create a virtual world of progressive and revolutionary judge made law, where results are weighed firstly for their impact upon the revolution to deconstruct obsolete Australia, then the actual letter of the law is spun to enable the correct outcomes.

    It is required that many more obsolete and deplorable australians be raided and prosecuted for terrorism offences, so the proles can be lectured that terrorism is nothing to do with certain demographics. The new social monitoring division of vicpol will generate targets for this.

    Disarming the proles is a five and ten year plan.

    Fifty percent vegynsys wymynsys activists as a quota for vicpol will fundementally transform the force.

    Remember, it isn’t a case of anybody, regardless of gender, can do the job if they meret the position

    The job must be fundementally transformed so that any Stalinist wymynsys activist can do it and be happy.

    No more old school coppers, andrews has Red Guard Cadres doing facebook policing, Year Zero wymynsys doing text messaging with heroic public informants dobbing in unrevolutionary speech and a stasi network for denouncing the Unsound.

  111. .

    Funny how WBC was destroying the reef.

    I wonder how many SJWs understand what goes on in mining and processing Cadmium, Tellurium or rare earth metals which make solar and smart devices possible.

    This kind of nonsense is as dumb as “food miles”, food miles per unit of mass would support mass industrialisation.

  112. calli

    Oh, goodie! I’ve just been informed that I have $23.263,50* in my “Online Trading Account” ready for me to claim.

    Decisions, decisions…should I log on or not? 😃

    * they seem to have a problem with decimal points

  113. val majkus

    Westpac has finally caved in to SJW minority interests and declared that it will not fund the Adani coal mine

    Sydney Boy it’s been reported that Adani has never asked Westpac for funds

  114. Shy Ted

    Poor old Gerard has to go up against the Marr dick shortly. Don’t know if I’m up to it.

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    How long before the efforts and resources of Plod are completely overwhelmed?

    BRITISH POLICE MAKING TERROR ARRESTS ON ‘NEAR DAILY BASIS’ AS EXPERT ESTIMATES 10,000 UK JIHADIS

  116. John constantine

    Their left want the proles confined into social justice battery farm barracks and fed low food miles industrial yeast rations flopped from Bene Tleilaxu vats.

  117. Snoopy

    * they seem to have a problem with decimal points.

    That system was introduced some years ago by the some European organisation or the UN or both. Some ‘progressive’ African countries have adopted it. For example, Zimbabwe was an early adopter.

  118. stackja

    US Correspondents’ to dine without Trump
    By JACK GILLUM, Associated Press
    an hour ago
    Washington’s once-glitzy “nerd prom” was briefly upstaged as comedians and Hollywood stars gathered for jokes and jests about President Donald Trump for a tongue-in-cheek event to counter the annual White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

    Late-night TV star Samantha Bee pulled in celebrities for the first Not the White House Correspondents’ Dinner: Alysia Reiner of Orange Is the New Black, Retta of Parks and Recreation and Matt Walsh of Veep. Bee’s show, a comedic tribute to American news organisations, featured actor Will Ferrell and other guests roasting Trump and his allies.

    The star power of the real correspondents’ dinner took a hit this year when Trump declined to attend, the first president since Ronald Reagan in 1981 skip it. In Reagan’s case, he was recovering from an assassination attempt. Trump did his own counter-programming, scheduling a rally on Saturday night in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, to mark his 100th day in office.

    The absence of the president himself at the WHCA dinner – Barack Obama’s humorous remarks had become a highlight – or even officials from the administration seemed to diminish attendance by big names in film, television and sports.

    For years the event offered Washington’s nerdy press corps an opportunity to wear black tie and stunning gowns while mixing with celebrities. With Trump out, organisers put the focus on the First Amendment and the role of the press in democracy.

    The scheduled headliners were Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, set to present journalism awards. Woodward told The Washington Post the two planned to speak about “the First Amendment and the importance of aggressive but fair reporting.”

  119. Shelley

    Lots of Trump666 on Newsradio this morning – wall to wall in fact.

  120. stackja

    Fyre Fest fiasco: Bahamas party cancelled
    By TAMARA LUSH, Associated Press
    an hour ago
    The ill-fated Fyre Festival, a multiday music, art and culture party that promised “an invitation to let loose and unplug with the likeminded” on the Bahamian island of Exuma, has been cancelled.

    The festival’s rise and fall has played out in real time on YouTube and filtered through Facebook, where would-be party goers are putting their anger on display. Instead of photos of boozy good times, people have posted pictures of rows of white tents that look like “Stormtrooper helmets,” blue port-a-potties near half-constructed plywood structures and limp, lifeless cheese sandwiches.

    Organisers cancelled the event at the last minute after poor planning, disorganisation and lack of accommodation. Most of the A-list acts had pulled out days before, saying they hadn’t been paid.

    It was supposed to be a sun-soaked experience filled with yachts, gourmet food and models. Ticket prices ranged from $US500 ($A667) to $US12,000 ($A16,003).

    But by Saturday morning, the partygoers had decamped, many of them to hotels in Miami in hopes of salvaging a weekend. People decried the festival accommodations as being like a “disaster tent city” and a “refugee camp”.

    The Bahamas Ministry of Tourism says it’s deeply disappointed.

    “Hundreds of visitors to Exuma were met with total disorganisation and chaos,” the tourism office wrote in a statement to the media.

    Fyre Festival co-organiser Billy McFarland promised full refunds on the festival’s website on Saturday.

  121. .

    Barnaby had a good rant on Lateline (?) on Friday night slamming the WBC and ABC over the social justice banking ideals.

    More please!

  122. Shelley

    He asks his little son “how do you kill an Australian?”

    These children cannot be repatriated. Thanks, Dad.

    When this was prominent in the news two years or so back and the bleeding hearts were writing how it wasn’t the fault of the kids, they should be allowed back to live in Australia, I posed the question in the comment section to one very empathetic (to the kids, not to the rest of us) female opinion writer ‘if they moved next door to you and wanted to come and play with your kids in your backyard would you feel comfortable. How about when something didn’t go their way – how do you think kids who had seen such barbarism might react toward your kids’. My comment was not published.

  123. Philippa Martyr

    Congratulations on your Liberty Award, Perfesser!

  124. custard

    Should be a fiery couch this morning with Marr, la Tingle and Hendo.

    They are also out to vilify Bernardi it seems too.

  125. stackja

    Press Council Adjudication
    The Courier-Mail
    April 30, 2017 12:00am
    The Press Council has considered whether its Standards of Practice were breached by a print article in The Sunday Mail on 16 October 2016 headed “KNOCKERS COME OUT”.

    Conclusion

    The Council considered that the headline “KNOCKERS COME OUT” had two meanings and could be taken by an ordinary reader to refer to women’s breasts being revealed, particularly given that the article made clear all of the complainants were women, its content concerned sexual harassment and the headline was accompanied by the suggestive wording of the sub-headline. The vulgar use of the word “knockers” in such a context could be read as mocking women who raise allegations of being sexually harassed, in focusing on a physical characteristic of women, and trivialising their complaints.

    The Council considered that the alternative meaning of the word “knockers” as in ‘critics’, in the context of an article on multiple sexual harassment complaints, also had the effect of trivialising the seriousness of the complaints as mere criticisms. This meaning could also cause or contribute materially to substantial offence, distress and prejudice to people who have experienced sexual harassment or made sexual harassment complaints, or to women generally.

    The Council concludes that the publication failed to take reasonable steps to avoid causing or contributing materially to substantial offence, distress or prejudice, and there was no sufficient public interest in doing so. Accordingly, General Principle 6 was breached in this respect.

  126. Marcus Classis

    Nice to see Insiders starting off with Ole Leathry Scrote’s almost frantic fellation of Tits the Accused Rapist, followed by The Guest Pederast pretending to be all-knowledgeable about One Nation.

    Every time I think that they can’t be more obviously in the tank with Stalin, they find a way.

  127. Geriatric Mayfly

    Any apology yet from Ol’ Scro for calling Dutton a liar last week??????????

  128. OldOzzie

    Test as I keep being sent to Catcha and then go nowhere

    Old Ozzie

  129. rickw

    How long before the efforts and resources of Plod are completely overwhelmed?

    I think they’re doing incredibly well, identifying threats and eliminating them with hours, almost the very definition of war.

    All while having been infiltrated with muslims and women who aren’t up to scratch.

    My guess is that they will inevitably fail and fail spectacularly. Muslims are most probably running a two pronged attack, one prong will be useful idiots attempting large numbers of badly organised attacks, noise, the second prong will be the brains organising by stealth hoping to slip under the radar due to the noise.

  130. custard

    I doubt it GM these people really do hate conservatives and they don’t seem to give a flying fuck about anything they get wrong as long as it’s supporting their false narrative.

  131. Libby Zee

    Any apology yet from Ol’ Scro for calling Dutton a liar last week??????????

    No cctv footage released yet. John Barron was still calling for that late in the week. Until it is released Cassidy is unlikely to back away from what he said to Dutton.

  132. OldOzzie

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2367172, posted on April 29, 2017 at 11:26 pm
    JC is just being JC. What he does

    He’s more of a scum than Yassmin and her mild Anzac Day comment.

    Salvatore,

    I disagree with your comment re Yassmin

    Yassmin’s really doing the Anzac Centenary committee proud. The Anzac Centenary advisory board’s report to the federal government. March 1, 2013:

    and she then posted

    Yassmin spent 2014’s Anzac Day wondering if Australian Muslims could really get involved in Anzac Day. Abdel-Magied’s blog, April 25, 2014:

    Gallipoli, for example, is a huge part of the ANZAC legend. Yet that campaign was fought against the Ottoman Empire, and many of those troops were Muslims from Turkey. How does someone, born as a Muslim in Turkey but who grew up in Australia, reconcile that?

    you have to wonder what Yassmin absorbed of Australian History from her membership of the Anzac Centenary Committee from 2013 when the Turkish Embassy Site in Australia states:-

    The battles of Çanakkale, when Anzacs first encountered Turkish troops, have a special place in the history of relations between Turkey and Australia. Mutually respectful and friendly ties, borne uniquely out of a fierce battlefield, have continuously developed to this day. The first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk delivered the following message to the Australian and New Zealander mothers in 1934 as an expression of this friendship:

    “Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives …
    You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours.
    You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears.
    Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.”

    The poignant and magnanimous words of Atatürk were delivered on his behalf by Şükrü Kaya, the Minister of the Interior, on the occasion of the anniversary of the Çanakkale Victory and the Martyrs’ Day, on 18 March 1934.

    By defining “opposing” forces as “those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives”, Atatürk, as a soldier and a commander, expressed his sentiments of appreciation for Anzacs with sincerity and maturity.

    Atatürk paid tribute to the bravery of Anzac soldiers in a battle against people whom they never met, in a land which was unfamiliar and far away from their homelands, without knowing the reason or purpose of the battle. Thus, he commemorated them as “You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours.”

    At the conclusion of the battle that lasted ten months, not only were there thousands of martyrs left behind but also thousands of bereaving mothers. Therefore, Atatürk addressed Anzac mothers as “You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.” By this, he wanted to give the message that we regard your sons as one of ours and as such we protect their graves with love and respect.

    Furthermore, there is another message of Atatürk addressed to Australians which was published at the request of “The Star” newspaper in Melbourne, which is as follows:

    “The landing at Gallipoli on April 25, 1915, and the fighting which took place on the Peninsula will never be forgotten. It showed to the World the heroism of all those who shed their blood there. How heart rendering for their nations were the losses that this struggle caused!”

    As will be noted, Atatürk once again emphasized his deep sentiments that were already expressed on 18 March. This succinct and meaningful message of Atatürk was conveyed to “The Star” newspaper through a telegram signed by Hasan Rıza Bey (Soyak), Deputy Secretary General. The message was translated into French, which was the language used for international correspondence at the time, and was published under the headline: “Turkey, Old Foe, Remembers” on 25 April 1934. The copies of the newspaper as well as the letter by the Managing Editor of “The Star”, indicating appreciation of Atatürk’s message can be viewed below.

    These inspirational words reflect the wisdom and the statesmanship of a victorious commander, Atatürk, who had been in the middle of the horrendous battle himself and who witnessed first hand the sorrow and suffering of thousands of soldiers.

    Australians have a special place in the hearts and minds of all Turks, dating back to 1915, when Mehmets and the diggers developed a sense of deep respect regardless of the intense fighting they endured. Ever since, Turkey and Australia have fostered a close and friendly relationship.

    In 2015, as we commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Gallipoli landings, we are confident that the historical bonds of friendship between our two countries and peoples will continue to grow and deepen.

    And if she had been to Anzac Cove, like I have, she should would have seen this

    One Assumes Yassmin Abdel-Magied is totally incompetent, and like so many commenters on the Many Australian Article, why is she being paid one cent of Australian Taxpayer’s Money by any Australian Government Department or the ABC?

    And a reminder from The Australian Financial Review Article- Shell quietly rids itself of its Yassmin problem

    Unusual for AFR and Fairfax, dripping sarcasm: –

    For when she’s not using Anzac Day to crap all over the memory of Australia’s Diggers (what an inspired decision that was), the ABC presenter is in the employ of the Dutch oil and gas company – working as a well engineer on their offshore rigs.

    Or rather, she was.

  133. Nick

    Thanks for posting the articles Bruce. This one from Piers is great:

    The most land lubberly of observers might well have thought that the prime function of the navy was to ensure that its ships, even those worth some $3 billion, could go to sea and that “propulsion” might be key to that ability but apparently not so.

  134. Rabz

    So Bosi was in the SAS?

    Respect.

  135. rickw

    A handful of selected top level vicpol crony Oligarch functionaries now boast of being able to create ‘police made law’.

    They are doing this already, their objective is to get weapons out of the hands of ordinary people. If you don’t already have a firearm license, get one and buy what you can afford, my guess is that in 5 years this will almost be impossible.

  136. Top Ender

    Who is Ronald Welch?

    Best writer of military historical fiction for “young adults” ever.

    His Knight Crusader won a Carnegie Award in the 1950s.

  137. Jupes;

    I have found that if you travel at the back of Qantas and partake in a few pleasantries with the hosties – male and female – they tend to load you up with plenty of those little bottles of wine.
    Not the best quality to be sure, but if you drink enough of them it does the trick.
    The drawback is that there is only the vegetarian option left for the meal 97% of the time (probably why they give you the extra booze).

    So that’s the secret?
    I rarely fly on my own wallet – usually it’s part of the Patient Assisted Travel Scheme. I eat whatever they give me – it’s all food, for gods sake. You can always get a burger if you’re really desperate for meat, when you land.
    But the tip about free booze is priceless.
    Never knock back a free drink – they aren’t waiting for you in heaven.

  138. kc

    Early on in this blog Dover Beach posted a liberty quote from the USA. It needed some amendment . The bones are the work of Robert McCain so I take no credit for it. Just tried to make it more relevant to Australia.

    The Labor/Green Party is Australia’s most successful hate group.
    It attracts poor people who hate rich people, black people
    who hate white people, gay people who hate straight people,
    feminists who hate men, environmentalists who manage to hate
    the internal combustion engine, coal, white people, dams and anything which brings prosperity to the masses. It attracts lot of bratty university kids who hate their parents and unionists who hate the people who actually give them a job. It attracts people who hate the thought that a country has a right to determine who comes into its country and the circumstances under which they come.
    However, the real secret of the party’s success
    is that it attracts the support of
    journalists who hate Conservatives,
    and who therefore work tirelessly to convince
    the rest of us that we should vote for Labor and the Greens. . . .
    No matter who leads the Liberals and who will be Prime Minster,
    the Organized Forces of Left Journalism will paint him
    as a greedy, cold-hearted, woman-hating racist.
    If the Conservatives nominated a Buddhist monk or a Latina lesbian,
    still Fairfax, the ABC and SBS would find
    a way to convince themselves that the Liberal Party candidate
    represented everything “Progressives” hate about Australia —
    the military, the police, National pride, Christianity, capitalism, small business, self-funded retirees, negatively geared property investors, the internal combustion engine, miners, loggers, manufacturers and heterosexual white men who work for a living, and most of all, it hates that we have borders.
    – Robert Stacy McCain, 2016.

  139. Snoopy

    Has Fox News ditched another popular un-PC presenter?

  140. Nick

    So that’s the secret?

    If traveling in economy, get a couple of packets of Tim Tams, give the packets to your FA. They treat you quite well after that.

  141. John64

    Mincing Marr, “Australians love big Government.”

    Sadly, for about two-thirds of the population, He is correct.

  142. rickw

    And a reminder from The Australian Financial Review Article- Shell quietly rids itself of its Yassmin problem

    Can someone post this? Seems to be paywalled. Tks!

  143. .

    Why grovel to QANTAS? They’re not cheap tickets.

  144. Mark A

    rickw
    #2367303, posted on April 30, 2017 at 9:24 am
    If you don’t already have a firearm license, get one and buy what you can afford, my guess is that in 5 years this will almost be impossible.

    On the face of it, sound advice.
    Trouble is, what makes you sure that in five years time they won’t knock on your door and demand the handover of your weapons?

    The will have you on the records.
    Not advocating it mind you, but if you have to have one, hang on to your unregistered one.

  145. .

    Encouraging firearm ownership is a noble thing to do. Make it too hard for them to boss everyone around and make a ban virtually impossible.

  146. Again guys – “JC is a pathetic wanker who troubles me not a wit”

    and

    “I’m going to write a three hundred word essay about what a wanker JC is”

    are mutually exclusive concepts.

    He lives in your heads. He wins.

  147. cohenite

    My guess is that they will inevitably fail and fail spectacularly. Muslims are most probably running a two pronged attack, one prong will be useful idiots attempting large numbers of badly organised attacks, noise, the second prong will be the brains organising by stealth hoping to slip under the radar due to the noise.

    When you consider the primitive nature of muslim attacks – get a gun, car, truck and aim – police success is pathetic; when the bastards get a brain the carnage will be horrendous. It’s like doctors running around a ward immunising disease carriers as the government brings in increasing numbers of the diseased

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Rickw ….

    Shell quietly rids itself of its Yassmin problem

    by Bryce Corbett
    April 26 2017
    As self-styled social activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied was busy making herself one of the most hated people in Australia on Anzac Day, one group of people watching on wide-eyed from the sidelines and breathing a massive sigh of relief were the good folk at Shell.

    For when she’s not using Anzac Day to crap all over the memory of Australia’s Diggers (what an inspired decision that was), the ABC presenter is in the employ of the Dutch oil and gas company – working as a well engineer on their offshore rigs.

    How do you solve a problem like Yassmin? For Shell, mercifully, it solved itself.
    How do you solve a problem like Yassmin? For Shell, mercifully, it solved itself.

    Or rather, she was.

    Turns out the Brisbane-based mechanical engineering graduate – and happy beneficiary of taxpayer-funded jollies around our Middle Eastern embassies – was forced to resign from Shell earlier this year when her application to have her leave without pay extended was politely declined.

    Word is that while Shell was happy for her to take an initial 12 months leave-without-pay to work at the ABC (read: develop Brand Yassmin), company policy meant it had to refuse her request to extend it. A decision which many execs in the company are now looking at as a blessing in disguise.

    The heartburn she would regularly cause the government relations team with her outspoken views on everything from climate change to refugees, the full-faced horror she would induce in the media relations team each time she took to a TED talk stage or the Q+A set are now mercifully a thing of the past. “Rolled-gold liability” was one of the choice phrases said to be doing the rounds of Shell’s C-suite when the question of how to solve a problem like Yassmin reared its artfully-scarfed head. But not anymore.​

  149. Rabz

    Thanks Beery – that photo has made my day.

  150. lotocoti

    The most land lubberly of observers …

    Back in those halcyon days of my youth the mantra was Float Move Fight.
    Mind you, that was back when DDG meant Destroyer, Guided Missile not Don’t Do Girls.

  151. Geriatric Mayfly

    Forsook the direct route once to avoid Qantas and to save $400 on the fare. The interminable time spent in Dubai airport awaiting connecting flights, both to and fro, was the penance I had to endure. Still trying to rationalise if it was worth it.

  152. Mark A

    .
    #2367313, posted on April 30, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Encouraging firearm ownership is a noble thing to do. Make it too hard for them to boss everyone around and make a ban virtually impossible.

    Not in OZ it’s not.

  153. Baldrick

    Rabz
    #2367302, posted on April 30, 2017 at 9:22 am
    So Bosi was in the SAS?
    Respect.

    Yes Rabz, we’re very fortunate to be able to count him as a member of the Cat family.
    Unfortunately I believe his wife’s health is taking most of his time at the moment, which is why he hasn’t been around lately.

  154. custard

    No apology from Cassidy GM.

    Doubling down.

  155. srr

    Guns can stop this – instead the traitors within are taking away our guns as they import more people who practice this –

    Lucid Hurricane™✘‏ @Forever_Lucid

    #DearWhitePeople, did you know Xenophobic attacks in South Africa are done to blacks from other countries by SA blacks bc they took jobs?
    https://twitter.com/Forever_Lucid/status/858425147648335872

  156. Bruce of Newcastle

    More picture fun for a Sunday morning, this time of the Peoples’ Climate March, brought to you by that nice Mr Delingpole.

    DELINGPOLE: The People’s Climate March – AKA Watermelons’ War on Capitalism – In Pictures

    The very last question is disturbing, and I suspect the answer is yes in many many cases.

  157. Snoopy

    The interminable time spent in Dubai airport awaiting connecting flights, both to and fro, was the penance I had to endure.

    Sydney-Johannesburg?

    Emirates is not an airline. It is a transfer service to and from Dubai Airport clip joints.

  158. rickw

    Shell quietly rids itself of its Yassmin problem

    Thanks Leigh! Looks like the had a bit of dumb luck. I hope they give HR a good smack over the head, what were they thinking?!

  159. Lizzie, here is an appropriate use of your hated term “appropriate”. Apologies if it was someone else that said it. I’m going from memory here so I can’t be sure it was you who said it.

    Bill Nye, the “not-so-science” Guy.

  160. Marcus Classis

    Aah, the ignorati strike again, I see.

    Were they the same senior naval officers responsible for the two Canberra-class landing helicopter dock ships HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide which can be seen lashed to the wharves in ­Woolloomooloo this past month and more, unable to go to sea because of “propulsion problems”?

    Because everyone knows that brand-new technology works perfectly, all the time. Azipod tech in this HP range has only been at sea since Carnival Elation was built with them in 1998, and they had years of problems with it. Still do. When you are passing 33,500 SHP through a ring bearing, this can occur.

    The most land lubberly of observers might well have thought that the prime function of the navy was to ensure that its ships, even those worth some $3 billion, could go to sea and that “propulsion” might be key to that ability but apparently not so.

    And even an incompetent idiot pretending to be a journalist might think to do some research.

    Neither the naval brains trust nor the Defence Minister Marise Payne can tell the taxpayers what their mechanical problems are but they can tell us how inclusive and multicultural the immovable fleet is.

    So problems with a new technology = a multicultural problem. Piers must be a journalist – just don’t step in his journalism, it takes forever to scrape off your boot.

    Yeah, Navy’s got some problems with these ships propulsion systems. So what?

    I hear around the traps that Pier’s real problem is that his rich social-set-mates with flats in the Woolloomooloo finger pier are whining about the two ships being in port at the navy base they moved in next to after it had been there since 1840. Apparently, naval vessels are noisy and spoil their view.

  161. srr

    🌹Νia NoDACA‏ @nia4_trump

    Last chance #Marine2017 or just watch all of France destroyed by migrants. #MarineLePen #Elysee2017 #MLPNDA #E1WE #francebleu #climatemarch
    https://twitter.com/nia4_trump/status/858401180577411074

  162. Nick

    Just musing to myself, when and where will Abdel-Magied pop up again?
    I’d give it two to three months. There will be a sob story interview with her by a Fairfax paper. The interview will outline her fear for herself and family following ‘threats’. There will be further tearful, unverifiable claims about the horrors she has suffered, largely ‘Islamaphobia’ based., with back up from Mariam Alphabet. She will appear on the ABC again, not long after, possibly Q and A. The Government will do little about her employment with them.

  163. PoliticoNT

    Has anyone started making fun of Fyrefest yet? (I saw an Iowahawk tweet this morning on same, surprised Blair hasn’t started running with it.)

  164. Top Ender

    If you have a young male relative who you’d like to steer into the military and/or to love military history then do yourself a favour, as Molly used to say, and buy them Ronald Welch’s books secondhand on Abebooks.

  165. Custard;

    With some friends and family tonight the idea of a 5% credit tax 5% debit tax was flagged. No other Taxes.
    No payg. No fuel tax no fbt no payroll tax no royalties no stamp duty no GST no tax return.
    Less government less taxes less regulation.

    Could it fly?

    I’m no economist, but it looks like a recipe for an exploding cash transaction.

  166. Nick

    Yeah, Navy’s got some problems with these ships propulsion systems. So what?

    His point is perhaps if they worried more about the basics such as maintenance, instead of focusing on multiculturalism and inclusion, such events might not occur. He has a point.

  167. egg_

    Yes, but we don’t know for how much, Egg. The number would be interesting. I hunted around yesterday to even see an estimate but can’t find one. I’m guessing it would be for $1 million?

    PPRUNE speculated on $50 Mil, but that’s a bit steep even for the US?
    IIRC civil suits have claimed $35 Mil for US Mining deaths (ijiots circumventing safety procedures).

  168. .

    So the AWDs are still in testing? Okay.

    If they were operational, Payne ought to have engaged in mass sackings or quit the Ministry. It would be the right thing to do.

  169. .

    With some friends and family tonight the idea of a 5% credit tax 5% debit tax was flagged. No other Taxes.
    No payg. No fuel tax no fbt no payroll tax no royalties no stamp duty no GST no tax return.
    Less government less taxes less regulation.

    The best (least worst) tax system you can ever have would be a mix of a VAT, a land tax (LVT) and a royalties tax, all at low rates.

    I suggest a cap at 10%, 2% and 5% – to be lowered under a TABOR over time to half those rates.

  170. srr

    Logical Campaign‏ @LogicalCampaign

    The EU is FINISHED!!

    A new war in Europe is INEVITABLE!!

    #bbcqt #VoteLeave #Euref #WakeUpAmerica #Brexit #MAGA

    EU officials have LIFETIME IMMUNITY from prosecution
    The remain campaign can’t and won’t talk about what the EU would look like in ten years because it would fundamentally expose the treasonous insanity of their position
    https://twitter.com/LogicalCampaign/status/744589711449088002
    ___________________________

    Watch that video of how Europe already is and listen to Farage speak on it.

  171. Makka

    Yeah, Navy’s got some problems with these ships propulsion systems. So what?

    So what? The fkn things cost a shedload and are stuck in port – I heard it was due to the wrong lubrication/oil? Any truth in that?

    Piers is dead right. Our effeminate Navy is more concerned, far more concerned about it’s social media image than it’s ability to deploy our defence assets.

  172. Boris G;

    #2367206, posted on April 30, 2017 at 12:16 am
    why have cat discussions have become so useless?

    Just scroll on by, Boris. It’s tedious, I know, but you’ll be better for it.

  173. Top Ender

    social-set-mates with flats in the Woolloomooloo finger pier are whining about the two ships being in port at the navy base they moved in next to after it had been there since 1840. Apparently, naval vessels are noisy and spoil their view.

    In my time in the service I herd about these complaints al too frequently, in particular from people who had been on duty watch overnight on a weekend at HMAS Kuttabul – the shore base.

    Phone calls by the hour, from people complaining about the ship’s pipes – the PA being used with a whistle at the start of the announcement – to the ship’s engines being used; cranes in operation – you name it.

    Each complaint of course had to be politely recorded.

  174. DELINGPOLE: The People’s Climate March – AKA Watermelons’ War on Capitalism – In Pictures

    Bruce, the only way they could have beclowned themselves more is if they had a “passionate for science” banner. I say that because they clearly show passion for it even though they don’t understand that real science is dispassionate.

    What idiots. They demand administration change when they just got one. They say environmental racism is real, oblivious to the fact that their environmental policies are themselves racist by denying reliable energy to third world countries.

    It’s a beclownathon! Is Muttley there handing out rakes?

  175. PoliticoNT

    He has a point.

    Nick – what time was the original post, I can’t find it.

  176. C.L.

    Pyne was on The Project speaking about those ships last week. I’ve got no time for Pyne as a rule but he explained that there was nothing exceptional about the maintenance both vessels require. From the moment a ship is purchased, maintenance begins – and never ends until it’s broken up.

  177. srr

    President Trump Rally Harrisburg Pennsylvania – 7:00pm Live Stream…
    (it’s still live and you can go back to the beginning later)

  178. Makka

    When you are passing 33,500 SHP through a ring bearing, this can occur.

    So why choose an expensive problematic technology for a high value defence asset? Of course, money is no object as we know from the subs debacle.

  179. Nick

    Politico:

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2367253, posted on April 30, 2017 at 7:58 am

  180. srr

    Chris Cox and other Bikers For Trump sitting behind Trump.

  181. Has anyone started making fun of Fyrefest yet?

    Politico, Gunner was all over it yesterday.

  182. .

    Cool. Just saw world famous Ricardo on an SAS documentary.

  183. Tom

    Chris Cox and other Bikers For Trump sitting behind Trump.

    Eureka! The Washington Post now has a Sunday front page.

  184. Marcus Classis

    His point is perhaps if they worried more about the basics such as maintenance, instead of focusing on multiculturalism and inclusion, such events might not occur. He has a point.

    No, he does not. These are two entirely different matters. Fleet runs maintenance. Canberra runs other stuff. Entirely different commands, and most navy people hate being posted to Canberra to boot.

    So the AWDs are still in testing? Okay.

    Kinda-sorta. (I assume you mean LHD)

    In 1982 we lost the carrier capability. Make no mistake, the LHD are aircraft carriers. They are extremely complex things to operate properly and Navy has to rebuild all the skills involved. The Navy is currently rebuilding an entire capability after spending decades as a frigate Navy, mostly on single-ship ops. It will take a decade to rebuild what we had in 1982. The ships themselves – they are Navy-Army manned (working well but some way to go yet) – have not one but several entirely new technologies (distributed high-power electrical system, azipods, fully computerised engineering control systems, large landing dock and all associated systems, aircraft elevator etc). Training the techs for these systms is not easy and they can earn double the $$ if they quit and go to the private sector.

    So what? The fkn things cost a shedload and are stuck in port – I heard it was due to the wrong lubrication/oil? Any truth in that?

    Yes, they cost a shedload, why it’s almost 0.5% of the NBN, nearly 0.1% of the Rudd-Gillard debt mountain.

    If I knew details I’d not mention them here in any case.

    Tell me, do you drive your car as normal when all the warning lights are on? No? So why do you think Navy should?

    They have identified a series of problems, some with the systems, some with training, some with procedures, some probably with software as there’s always software problems.
    They are fixing them.

    What’s your suggestion that they should do as an alternative?

  185. .

    Hey I’m passionate for science.

    I wish more people knew how to do maths, code and apply time series statistics.

    Which would totally undermine global warming research.

    I’m also passionate about efficiency and treating the taxpayer with respect so taking away government advertising and education administrators would see a multi-billion dollar boost for tax cuts, paying down debt and more funding for nuclear, particle & space physics and engineering as well as cancer, AIDS and incurable disease research.

  186. Nick

    Pyne was on The Project speaking about those ships last week. I’ve got no time for Pyne as a rule but he explained that there was nothing exceptional about the maintenance both vessels require. From the moment a ship is purchased, maintenance begins – and never ends until it’s broken up.

    Ackerman says the boats have been sidelined for ‘this past month and more’. If true, this would go beyond routine maintenance, particularly if both vessels are affected at the same time.

  187. .

    Great news

    http://bigthink.com/david-ryan-polgar/worlds-first-malaria-vaccine-coming-to-africa-in-2018

    This week, the World Health Organization announced that the world’s first malaria vaccine will be piloted in three African nations (Ghana, Kenya, Malawi) in 2018.

    The UN still does some good…despite the fact I wish Australia would withdraw from it.

  188. .

    Ah yes LHDs. Silly me. No point using Grammarly if you don’t check the content you post.

  189. srr

    President Trump reminding the massive crowd at the rally of their targeting of MS-13.
    He knows The Enemy. He doesn’t give them cover by denying their existence.

    TEXAS GIRL MURDERED IN GANG-RELATED SATANIC SACRIFICE …
    http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2017/…/texas-girl-murdered-in-gang-related-satanic-sacrifi...
    Mar 5, 2017 – Two members of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), a criminal gang from … owing to the massive rise in satanism, ritual murders and violence. … Satan to Exorcist: “My foothold in the Catholic Church is the self-love of its members”.

  190. Top Ender

    For anyone interested in a brief populist account of the new Navy carriers, here is an article I wrote after a tour around one of them.

  191. rickw


    This week, the World Health Organization announced that the world’s first malaria vaccine will be piloted in three African nations (Ghana, Kenya, Malawi) in 2018.

    The UN still does some good…despite the fact I wish Australia would withdraw from it.

    Let’s see if the do-gooders can manage to snuff out this next solution, silent spring style, and beat carlsons record for killing brown people.

  192. .

    In 1982 we lost the carrier capability. Make no mistake, the LHD are aircraft carriers. They are extremely complex things to operate properly and Navy has to rebuild all the skills involved. The Navy is currently rebuilding an entire capability after spending decades as a frigate Navy, mostly on single-ship ops. It will take a decade to rebuild what we had in 1982. The ships themselves – they are Navy-Army manned (working well but some way to go yet) – have not one but several entirely new technologies (distributed high-power electrical system, azipods, fully computerised engineering control systems, large landing dock and all associated systems, aircraft elevator etc). Training the techs for these systms is not easy and they can earn double the $$ if they quit and go to the private sector.

    We should use warrant officer ranks and cough up the dough. You can’t have 2/2 aircraft carriers sitting there inoperable.

    Anyway, critics say these are vulnerable. Are they? (Isn’t everything?!) – how many F-35s could they carry? If the F-35 isn’t a goer – should we buy old Harriers? Proven tech!

  193. .

    Let’s see if the do-gooders can manage to snuff out this next solution, silent spring style, and beat carlsons record for killing brown people.

    No surprise they are usually anti-vaxxers – a lot of crossover between anti-vaxxers and AGW believers.

  194. Marcus Classis

    So why choose an expensive problematic technology for a high value defence asset? Of course, money is no object as we know from the subs debacle.

    Because of the proven and available within budget two LHD designs available in the world (French Mistral and Spanish Juan Carlos) both had azipods. And government said that to save $$ Navy had to use an existing design and not change it.

    The other available design was the USN Wasp class, 40,000 tons, steam powered (we had gotten rid of steam with the Charles F Adams class DDG) needed a crew of 1200 and cost twice as much. Good ships, spent some time on ’em, but way too big and too much capability for what we need.

    So bloody hard to choose a non-azipod design when there are not any available.

  195. Top Ender

    The LHDs are designed to put a battalion ashore each. While they do it they would be protected by the likes of Air-Warfare Destroyers.

  196. Makka

    What’s your suggestion that they should do as an alternative?

    You’re making excuses for incompetence (system selection in the design phases) and poor planning. If you think having both of these assets down at the very same time is simply a maintenance issue- which can be planned – then pigs will fly. These were unplanned breakdown events. It’s the causes for that unscheduled downtime which are being kept mum to protect arses, pure and simple. Why? Because they were probably convening a meeting in Fiji discussing the next float adornments and gay uniforms for the gay Mardi Gras.

    “Tell me, do you drive your car as normal when all the warning lights are on? No? So why do you think Navy should?”

    You are conflating and obscuring the issue. Comparing my car to these hundreds of millions of dollar systems is ludicrous. At any time, even right now there will be numerous defects with those vessels that will not stop it being deployed- they are being managed. This defect was severe enough to down both vessels at the same time.You are trying to fob this off as a “warning light” problem. Bullshit.

  197. Tintarella di Luna

    In case he hasn’t posted in the last few days and for the Cats who’ve been wondering about Riccardo Bosi and his family are going. I spoke to him on Thursday and he said things are hectic but going fine. Much family business to attend to and awaiting results with respect to medical matters. He sends his best wishes and thanks for thinking of him and his family.

  198. Top Ender

    Watching Outsiders, and every ad break there is a piece advocating “Gonski funding.”

    So who does the education union think are watching?

  199. Makka

    Ok Marcus, you have a big soft spot for the Navy. I get it.

  200. notafan

    The contrast between Yammie’s live performancse and her written work (which includes a very biased and sometimes straightout untruthful representation of world history) has now been explained.

    I suspect mummy and daddy have been using Yammie as a front for the islam boosting ever since Youth without Borders, she’s a more nuanced version of bana alabed, off the leash she puts her foot in it.

    I suspect she will become more radical now that she has been so publicly and resoundingly humiliated.

    Any chance Dutton will now shine a light on daddy’s migration visa and grant hovering businesses?

  201. Andrew

    This week, the World Health Organization announced that the world’s first malaria vaccine will be piloted in three African nations (Ghana, Kenya, Malawi) in 2018.

    The UN still does some good…despite the fact I wish Australia would withdraw from it.

    I have no real problem with the WHO vaccinating people. It’s not the WHOLE UNSSR that is the problem oday – but the culture will eventually destroy everything. Who would have thought in 1950 that the Yuman Rites people would go the full Wahhabi and embrace Saudi? When the US and Europe set it up, could they have expected that the IPCC would be created to destroy them?

    Give it until 2030 though. The WHO will have no vaccination programme. Instead, it will be another gerbil worming lobby group. The precedent is NASA – their longest range manned launch capability today is to 38,000′, in a 747.

  202. Nick

    I suspect she will become more radical now that she has been so publicly and resoundingly humiliated.

    She will turn her ‘victimhood’ up to 11.

  203. What’s your suggestion that they should do as an alternative?

    Buy MOTS.

  204. Nick

    You’re making excuses for incompetence (system selection in the design phases) and poor planning. If you think having both of these assets down at the very same time is simply a maintenance issue- which can be planned – then pigs will fly.

    I agree. Scheduled maintenance for both to be in port for what, over a month? That makes little sense, something has gone wrong somewhere.

  205. The LHDs are designed to put a battalion ashore each.
    While they do it they would be protected by the likes of Air-Warfare Destroyers.

    That would be our three AWD’s that are now five year’s behind schedule, and $2 billion over budget (so far), with only one of them actually in the water and still being fitted out, still a year or more from commissioning.

    Buy MOTS.

  206. Geriatric Mayfly

    Shit! Talk about galloping paranoia – I am under surveillance.
    Spot on Snoopy at 9:59 Sydney-Johannesburg?

  207. Snoopy

    Ol’ Pope Che now running interference for Kim Jong-un.

  208. Marcus Classis

    Dot:

    We should use warrant officer ranks and cough up the dough. You can’t have 2/2 aircraft carriers sitting there inoperable.

    The people with the skills have to be trained. They did not exist in the navy when the ships were selected back in 2002. After training, they need OJT on the ship, with the systems. These are not simple systems. It takes years of training and years of OJT to get experience.

    It simply takes time to re-develop a new capability. If we had replaced Melbourne of fond memory with Invincible, or even with the BHP steel products carriers Iron Duke and Iron Monarch converted as pure-helo carriers, navy would not be in this pickle so deeply. But government knew better, and Melbourne was replaced with nothing. So Navy lost several capabilities. Now, we are getting them back, and it’s a hard slog.

    Anyway, critics say these are vulnerable. Are they? (Isn’t everything?!) – how many F-35s could they carry? If the F-35 isn’t a goer – should we buy old Harriers? Proven tech!

    Juan Carlos was built to replace Principe de Asturias, their light carrier. Ours are very little different from the Spanish ship.

    She can take:

    Pure combat: 25 AV-8B/F-35B + 6 flight deck parking spots

    Mix: 11 AV-8B/F-35B + 12 NH90 + 6 flight deck parking spots

    Pure transport: 25 NH90 + 6 flight deck parking spots

    F-35B is in service and doing very well. F-35A is spectacularly good, it’s looking to be much better than advertised. I hear that during the last Red Flag the USAF F-35 A’s slaughtered the F-22s, and that F-35A/F-22 mix formations wiped the floor with absolutely everything else thrown at then, including a dense ADGE with top-of-the-line systems, AEW&C, the lot.

    F-35C (the carrier version) is progressing well in deliberately slow development. Building a carrier aircraft is much harder than for a land-based or for a vertical-lander. After all, carrier based fixed wing planes do not technically land at all. They just fly a weird flight profile whereby at the instant the pilot firewall the throttles the hook meets a wire and they are pulled out the sky and smashed into a steel deck.

    No AV-8’s have been built since 2003. The production line is long gone, and although much developed it’s a 60 year old design! The Hawker P.1127 design started in 1957.

    Might as well go for Sea Hurricanes and Swordfish.

  209. notafan

    In May 2016, several Mexican bishops and priests performed a “great exorcism” on the whole country owing to the massive rise in satanism, ritual murders and violence. Father Antonio Fortea, a renowned exorcist present at the event, remarked that “abortion, satanism, corruption, the cult of ‘holy’ death and the legalization of sexual aberrations undoubtedly have caused a great satanic infestation throughout Mexico.”

    He recommended that every bishop in Mexico should conduct an exorcism in his own diocese, noting that the legality of abortion and divorce, along with the rise of occult worship, are playing a part in the rise of the demonic in the country.

    All manifestations of the evils that the Catholic Church opposes, that are present everywhere in the west.

    Your continued attempts to imply that the Catholic Church is the cause of the presence of evil in the world instead of the bulwark against it, is pathetic.

    This is classic whore of babylon stuff, no surprises there.


    What the article actually said


    The separate article from 2015 the Satan to the Exorcist quote came from, I’d love to watch that vid but it is no longer available, what were you trying to imply?

  210. Myrddin Seren

    Hans Zimmer – The Dark Knight – Live at Coachella 2017

    Top comment:

    this cured my erectile disfunction

    LOL 🙂

  211. Baldrick

    Thanks for the update Tinta.

  212. Marcus Classis

    Buy MOTS.

    The LHD are MOTS.

  213. Geriatric Mayfly

    Frank must keep a scrap book of press cuttings (on the finest vellum, Moroccan bound and illuminated by a thousand monks) to reassure himself that someone is taking note of his constant babbling and gibbering. I wish he would just STFU.

  214. srr

    China “Unexpectedly” Returns U.S. Citizen Just Days After Conviction for Espionage…
    Posted on April 29, 2017 by sundance

    Chinese government officials returned a Texas businesswoman, Ms. Phan-Gillis, to the United States just days after convicting her of espionage charges:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/trump-xi-jinping-8.jpg

    WASHINGTON – […] Phan-Gillis was arrested in 2015 on charges of having spied for the United States in 1996. The Obama administration and United Nations condemned the arrest as a case of “arbitrary detention,” but Chinese authorities proceeded with a case against her that culminated in her receiving a three-and-a-half-year prison sentence on Tuesday. Within days, however, she was returned unexpectedly home — deported, rather than being required to serve her sentence.

    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/29/china-unexpectedly-returns-u-s-citizen-just-days-after-conviction-for-espionage/

  215. notafan

    I was one of the ones two years ago suggesting that the sins of the fathers should not be placed on the heads of the children, as far as radicalization is concerned they will be no worse than probably thousands of muslim children living in Australian and had they been placed in the care of their Australian grandmother, probably had some chance of escaping the evil of islam.

    Like the French historian said muslim children start geting that hatred spooned to them as soon as they start on mother’s milk, it is insidious.

    Two more years down the track, I think I am still of the same mind, if they are Australian citizens.

    They aren’t coming back though, so it is a moot point.


    SBS article on Khaled Sharroug , identifying the child as his youngest son, who must be around five.

  216. Marcus Classis

    Ok Marcus, you have a big soft spot for the Navy. I get it.

    You might say that 🙂

    No offence meant or intended, but I also know exactly what I am talking about.

  217. Tel

    Has any Tech/Economics guru around here looked at MaidSafe Coin ?

    One MAID is approx 0.0002 BTC which is of course a meaningless comparison at any single point in time (although trend comparison might be interesting). But other than simple price, the technology is different in a kind of interesting way. MaidSafe is a distributed computational platform, which includes a payment system as part of the platform… instead of Bitcoin which is a payment system that needs a computational platform.

  218. Nick

    I was one of the ones two years ago suggesting that the sins of the fathers should not be placed on the heads of the children, as far as radicalization is concerned they will be no worse than probably thousands of muslim children living in Australian and had they been placed in the care of their Australian grandmother, probably had some chance of escaping the evil of islam.

    Nota, it’s not punishing the kids just because of the father, these kids are so damaged, would you want your own grandchildren to be in their class at a school ? I’m worried also about how innocents her would be punished if they return.

  219. Senile Old Guy

    Comedy gold!

    The Labor senator said it appeared the party changed legal structures last year from an unincorporated party to a corporate structure without telling the Electoral Commission Queensland (ECQ). He said One Nation’s written constitution did not comply with electoral laws by not including processes to ensure fair preselections and to ban people who had committed certain criminal offences.

    If the Labor party complied with those requirements, a fair proportion of the current ALP senators would not be there. Although I note that he only wants to ban people for ‘certain criminal offences’; presumably criminal offences — actually or allegedly — committed by Labor figures will not be on the list.

    Further…

    Senator Watt said One Nation had not met “very basic requirements that are expected of every other political party in Queensland”. “The Queensland electoral law says political parties have to prohibit people becoming a member of the party if they have been convicted of certain electoral offences, and One Nation’s written constitution does not contain that,” he said. “The Queensland electoral law also requires parties to set out how they will manage disputes, how they will have fair preselection processes to give their members a fair go — One Nation’s written constitution doesn’t contain those kind of requirements.”

    Okay. I presume Queensland law prohibits axe murderers with homicidal rage issues from teaching kindergarten. Shock! Horror! One Nation’s written constitution does not contain those requirements! This guy is just running a campaign, aided by the ABC, against One Nation.

    The final lines in the piece:

    A spokesman for One Nation said the party would not comment on the matter. “The senator [Pauline Hanson] has made it clear that she did not want to discuss any matter with the ABC,” the spokesman said.

    It isn’t hard to see why.

  220. Marcus Classis

    You’re making excuses for incompetence (system selection in the design phases) and poor planning. If you think having both of these assets down at the very same time is simply a maintenance issue- which can be planned – then pigs will fly. These were unplanned breakdown events. It’s the causes for that unscheduled downtime which are being kept mum to protect arses, pure and simple. Why? Because they were probably convening a meeting in Fiji discussing the next float adornments and gay uniforms for the gay Mardi Gras.

    You are saying it’s a ‘simple maintence issue’ – nice goalpost shift. But I did not say that, did I?

    You are also dead wrong on that score. It’s a serious set of problems with many ramifications for how the capability is developed over coming years. They identified the problem before a major breakdown occurred AFAIK.

    So they have stopped everything to really work out what all the issues are and make sure that they do not make anything worse, called in the experts and are working to fix it. What else are they supposed to do?

    “Tell me, do you drive your car as normal when all the warning lights are on? No? So why do you think Navy should?”

    You are conflating and obscuring the issue. Comparing my car to these hundreds of millions of dollar systems is ludicrous. At any time, even right now there will be numerous defects with those vessels that will not stop it being deployed- they are being managed. This defect was severe enough to down both vessels at the same time.You are trying to fob this off as a “warning light” problem. Bullshit.

    Bullshit yourself. I used a simple analogy I thought you’d understand.

    Guess I was wrong about that and you are the sort of bloke who ignores those pesky warnings until the engine seizes?

    There’s a difference between defects (especially in a graceful degradation system) and a fundamental problem. The former is managed. The latter calls for a full investigation, rethink, and changes to the way the ships are operated.

  221. The LHD are MOTS.

    The LHD’s were ordered in 2007.
    The Juan Carlos was commissioned in 2010.
    We bought a non-existent, unproven design, definitely not MOTS.
    Which is par for the course for our DMO**.
    The Mistral Class is MOTS, and was so at the time of ordering.

    ——————
    I’m assuming you work at the DMO.
    Nobody else would have the chutzpah to try and defend such a monumental cock-up.

  222. egg_

    Just musing to myself, when and where will Abdel-Magied pop up again?

    Take over from Squalid on The Project?

  223. candy

    Notafan thanks for posting the Pope’s comments.

    I think he’s right humanity might be half destroyed by a big war there and mediation is the way.

    Also hope D.Trump meets with the Pope. AFter all, Trump talks about God and God’s children etc. To not meet the Pope would hurt his credibility, to my mind. I think his supporters would be eager to see him meet with the Pope.

  224. egg_

    Yeah, Navy’s got some problems with these ships propulsion systems. So what?

    ‘Fit for purpose’ in the commercial world/Standards.

  225. pete m

    I’d be happy to send Pope Che to organise a diplomatic solution in Norks.

  226. incoherent rambler

    There is a new definition to replace left and right in politics.

    Which side of the bollards are you?

  227. srr

    Idiot notafan asks what I’m trying to imply 🙄

    Seems pretty bloody clear that I’m simply stating what Trump just reminded us at the rally, that he is doing, and providing a Google search link to a Catholic site for more detail of the extent of that evil that Trump is fighting –

    srr
    #2367362, posted on April 30, 2017 at 10:37 am

    President Trump reminding the massive crowd at the rally of their targeting of MS-13.
    He knows The Enemy. He doesn’t give them cover by denying their existence.

    TEXAS GIRL MURDERED IN GANG-RELATED SATANIC SACRIFICE …
    http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2017/…/texas-girl-murdered-in-gang-related-satanic-sacrifi
    Mar 5, 2017 – Two members of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), a criminal gang from … owing to the massive rise in satanism, ritual murders and violence. … Satan to Exorcist: “My foothold in the Catholic Church is the self-love of its members”.

    Seems even that Catholic source isn’t good enough for, the more perfectly Catholic than any Catholic, notafan … I suppose no Catholic source that admits to the existence of Satanic Death Cults, will ever be good enough for some like notafan and others who make it their business to attack everyone who warns against getting suckered in by them 🙄

  228. egg_

    So what? The fkn things cost a shedload and are stuck in port – I heard it was due to the wrong lubrication/oil? Any truth in that?

    457 contractors doing the lube job?

  229. notafan

    these kids are so damaged, would you want your own grandchildren to be in their class at a school

    As I said Nick, it is a moot point as they are not coming back but suppose they did, do you think they would be placed in the school system before they were ‘de-radicalized’?

    If they were it would be a Muslim school in western Sydney, say, Punchbowl primary, where threatening to behead teachers is already de rigeur

    Again, they wouldn’t be any worse that thousands we already have, or no doubt have imported from hellholes like Somalia as well as other war children from Syria and Iraq. Five more won’t make much difference. Their father is an Australia born creation, after all.

    I still feel sorry for them, they had a glimpse of normal with their Australian grandmother and now they will be denied it for ever. More fool her, stupid cow for facilitating their exit.

  230. Sydney Boy

    The Spanish-designed LHD were designed to flit around in Mediterranean conditions traveling maybe 100s of km per deployment. The Australian Navy takes the same ships into the Pacific and the Indian and travelling 1000s of km per trip. Perhaps not the best choice for our ocean-going Navy.

  231. Myrddin Seren

    rickw

    Thanks Leigh! Looks like the had a bit of dumb luck. I hope they give HR a good smack over the head, what were they thinking?!

    Shell, like most large organisations, has been SJW’ed from the top down. With Shell it is Battling Climate Change with a nice side serving of Diversity.
    ( They do a side line in supplying oil and gas too ).

    Shell HR would have been near faint with delight when YAM submitted her application – so many diversity boxes ticked in one package – they would have been planning the graduate ads featuring her as the poster girl from Day One.

    What would be interesting would be to see results on the psychological testing they would have put her through ? Wonder if there were any ‘uh-oh’ results that got wallpapered over.

  232. Marcus Classis

    The LHD are MOTS.

    The LHD’s were ordered in 2007.

    The Juan Carlos was commissioned in 2010.
    We bought a non-existent, unproven design, definitely not MOTS.
    Which is par for the course for our DMO**.
    The Mistral Class is MOTS, and was so at the time of ordering.

    Juan Carlos was ordered in September 2003, laid down in May 2005 and launched in September 2009. IIRC we selected the design in 2003 and government faffed about with it.

    Mistral module construction began (IIRC) in July 2003 after approval in 2001. Mistral was launched in October 2004 and completed in 2006.

    Both designs existed in 2002-03. Neither was on the slip, let alone in the water

    Mistral was MOTS at selection time and so was Juan Carlos.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Again.

    The Mistrals have no dry cargo laneage and truly awful passive defence, being a modified car ferry design. They were rejected for very good reason. And they have had far more problems than the Juan Carlos design and cannot operate F-35B.

    ——————
    I’m assuming you work at the DMO.
    Nobody else would have the chutzpah to try and defend such a monumental cock-up.

    You assumption is entirely and hilariously wrong. I try and avoid Canberra like the plague.

  233. Tel

    The LHD’s were ordered in 2007.
    The Juan Carlos was commissioned in 2010.
    We bought a non-existent, unproven design, definitely not MOTS.

    The LHD propulsion system was off the shelf, in as much as similar sized passenger cruise ships are using those thrusters all over the place. Strangely though, the commercial operators don’t seem to have such difficulty maintaining them and keeping the things operational.

    It simply takes time to re-develop a new capability. If we had replaced Melbourne of fond memory with Invincible, or even with the BHP steel products carriers Iron Duke and Iron Monarch converted as pure-helo carriers, navy would not be in this pickle so deeply. But government knew better, and Melbourne was replaced with nothing. So Navy lost several capabilities. Now, we are getting them back, and it’s a hard slog.

    I get that, in terms of the finer points of shallow water maneuvering, near rocks, with helicopters coming in and out… but the basic notion of pushing a ship around the ocean should be pretty well established by now. Like I said, the commercial operators seem pretty good at it (assuming you don’t hire a Greek Captain high on coke of course).

    Because everyone knows that brand-new technology works perfectly, all the time. Azipod tech in this HP range has only been at sea since Carnival Elation was built with them in 1998, and they had years of problems with it. Still do. When you are passing 33,500 SHP through a ring bearing, this can occur.

    Wait a moment… is this “off the shelf” or is this “brand-new technology” ? It can hardly be both.

    You talk about warning lights, well I drive a 20 year old Toyota Corolla and the main reason is because it drives very well, nothing goes wrong with it, every garage everywhere knows how to do a service on it, and last time I clipped the mirror by mistake the replacement part was very cheap (admittedly not quite the same colour and shape as the original). That’s what happens when you use the most popular and best tested design in the world. I’m not expecting Navy to go quite that far… but you see where the analogy is going.

  234. JC

    Is there an upside to Crooked and the Kenyan’s Arab Spring? There is is you like slave markets.

    According to a report by the UN Migration Agency, Libyan rebels are capturing poor Africans seeking to enter Europe, housing them in parking lots and make-shift prisons, in order to sell them on the open market like the days of antiquity, for as little as $100.

    “We talk to returning migrants every day and we hear this stories every day — stories of exploitation, psychological, physical and sexual abuse,” Giuseppe Loprete, Niger-based chief of mission of the UN International Organization for Migration, told CNBC recently.

    For thousands of migrants paying to be smuggled out of North Africa, Libya remains the only route to Europe, and is a “black hole” where many disappear into exploitation, he said, adding: “The situation is only getting worse.”

    The going price for kidnapped migrants ranges from $200 to $500 in Libya, according to survivors who have returned to the IOM’s transit center. In the last few months, the organization has arranged for the repatriation of 1,500 migrants back to their homes, which include Nigeria, Senegal and Gambia.

    Libya is a gateway to Italy from Africa, with an estimated 25,000 migrants having crossed the Mediterranean Sea this year. Although Italy has taken measures to stem the flow of migrants from Libya, IOM data suggest crossings are on pace to challenge the nearly 182,000 migrants who landed in Italy last year.

    “Migrants who go to Libya while trying to get to Europe, have no idea of the torture archipelago that awaits them just over the border,” Leonard Doyle, chief IOM spokesman in Geneva, said in a recent statement. African migrants “become commodities to be bought, sold and discarded when they have no more value,” he added.

  235. Marcus Classis

    The Spanish-designed LHD were designed to flit around in Mediterranean conditions traveling maybe 100s of km per deployment. The Australian Navy takes the same ships into the Pacific and the Indian and travelling 1000s of km per trip. Perhaps not the best choice for our ocean-going Navy.

    True – partially.

    It’s also true that they were designed to operate in the north Atlantic in winter as an ASW carrier escorting REFORGER convoys, and to operate all around Africa and South America as HA/DR, and in the Mediterranean and Arabian Sea as a light strike carrier.

  236. Hey I’m passionate for science.

    Fair enough, so let me qualify. Scientific research must be dispassionate.

  237. Marcus Classus;
    I think the real issue here is not the Defence Forces themselves, but that the people have lost confidence in the DoDs ability to get it’s act together and defend the bloody country.
    Our tanks are 3/4 mothballed, regular army units are not getting practice at their real jobs, and naval procurement is a dogs breakfast. The airforce isn’t getting their training because it is seen as too expensive, and last week someone said that arty corps is being cut back on live fire training.
    Now all of this may be wrong, but the general public see that defence of the nation is an expensive joke.
    And the government is quite happy with spending hundreds of billions of dollars on kit that is not available to perform the task.
    We are perilously close to the situation we found ourselves in 1938, and had to send our young men off to fight with sod all except small arms and obsolete aircraft to buy time to gear up for war.
    The cost in blood was horrendous, and I see that same scenario building today.
    We may as well go straight to surrender as fight.

  238. Senile Old Guy

    Hey I’m passionate for science.

    Fair enough, so let me qualify. Scientific research must be dispassionate.

    Not really. Much of the time, the work is boring and repetitious: few would do it if they did not have some emotional engagement.

    The methods and results should be evaluated dispassionately.

  239. Marcus Classis

    Wait a moment… is this “off the shelf” or is this “brand-new technology” ? It can hardly be both.

    Why not? It’s a new technology, which is also off the shelf. Azipods are extraordinarily reliable below 10,000 SHP. Because of the construction cost reduction the cruise sector has been pushing the tech and now puts (IIRC) up to 40,000SHP through a single pod. Civil industry is pushing the tech to lower their costs, as they should, and there’s been some problems with that. There have been a lot of very serious breakdowns and problems in the cruise sector with these pods. They are very discreet about them as it is a real commerial problem/ brand issue problem to shout this from the rooftops. That’s the reason they now tend to operate them below 70% thrust.

    Navies just don’t operate that way, using them through the whole thrust spectrum. So they are used in a different way. A LHD is not a cruise ship.

    A single ship is a single ship. task unit and task group operations are very different. The Navy got out of the TG and TU game for way too long and has not had a ‘capital ship’ for over 30 years. Now they are getting back into it. It takes time. Reclaiming and institutionalising those skills takes a long time. it will take another 4-6 years to get back to where they were in ’82.

  240. Tel

    Azipod tech in this HP range has only been at sea since Carnival Elation was built with them in 1998, and they had years of problems with it. Still do.

    I looked that up, the Carnival Elation is 70,000 tonnes. Meanwhile the newer Oasis class (2009) is a whopping 220,000 tonnes. In comparison Canberra Class are only 25,000 tonnes… we should be pissing it in.

    Understandable that the military ship might have slightly higher top speed … but if Wikipedia is to be believed (not 100% accurate I know) the Oasis class is actually slightly faster (and nearly 10x heavier) and a design that used similar technology from around the same time frame.

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