Open Forum: April 29, 2017

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  1. incoherent rambler

    We may as well go straight to surrender as fight.

    Not an option.
    The procurement process would take 15 years and Chrissy’s electorate would not have the manufacturing capacity (or electricity) for the additional manufacture.

    Maybe we could get an adversary to air drop white flags.

  2. john constantine

    The whole point of their left occupying the Australian military is to grasp a self funding weapon of revolutionary struggle.

    Their left fully intend the effect of imposing diversity quotas upon military recruitment is to deconstruct the military from a border defence/operationally deployable force into a climate neutral, fair and equal revolutionary example of social engineering justice.

    Watch the near future of their freedom sacks uniformed diverse Australian relief operations handing out food to cyclone victims in the Pacific, with hardcore media presentation of the optics.

    [ Much like they try to get freedom sacks to be filmed shoveling sand into sandbags during flood events, to save the racists from drowning, or the big push for diversity breastfeeding fire brigades.]

    Their revolution is ceaseless and to the death.

  3. Marcus Classis

    Winston, at the pointy end it’s a common joke that to double DoD’s efficiency, you just walk through the buildings and double tap every second person.

    It’s not the services using the ADF as social justice and social engineering workshops!

  4. Makka

    No offence meant or intended, but I also know exactly what I am talking about.

    I’m sure. However I’m no stranger to maintenance of marine and heavy equipment either. In the end this is a mechanical failure – unplanned and very high profile. Someone(s?) somewhere will be responsible. It’s a dead set fk up and it’s being covered up.

  5. Both designs existed in 2002-03. Neither was on the slip, let alone in the water

    Marcus, if we’re going to debate, how about we try and stick fairly close to the truth?
    MOTS = Military Off The Shelf = something built, commissioned, and successfully in service.

    Our LHD’s were ordered in 2007.
    The first Mistral Class was commissioned in 2005. By 2007 it was MOT.
    The Juan Carlos was commissioned in 2010. In 2007 it was still a heap of unlaunched steel plate on the slips. Unbuilt, uncommissioned, and unproven. It most definitely was not MOT.

  6. Tom

    Donald Trump isn’t just Hitler. He’s also the Ku Klux Klan’s Imperial Wizard. Don’t believe me? Well, Sixty Minutes has the scoop on the Nein Network tonight, so there!

    FMD.

  7. incoherent rambler

    Q. If we are denied access to shipping lanes, how many days fuel supply do we have for the ADF?
    A. Not much.

    What gear you have counts for shit with a non-nuclear navy and no liquid fuel. Maybe we could use coal fired shipping or clippers?

  8. egg_

    Propulsion failure on board Norwegian Star, Bass Strait, Victoria on 10 February 2017 ATSB MO-2017-003

  9. H B Bear

    Is there an upside to Crooked and the Kenyan’s Arab Spring? There is is you like slave markets.

    Just like the good old days.

  10. Makka

    The latter calls for a full investigation, rethink, and changes to the way the ships are operated.

    You almost got it, Marcus. Changes to the people who were involved in design choices , vessel application and maintenance prep is much closer the mark.

  11. incoherent rambler

    Just like the good old days.

    Hey boys, can you sing me a good ‘ol work song?

    Where is that Mel Brooks film clip?

  12. C.L.

    According to a report by the UN Migration Agency, Libyan rebels are capturing poor Africans seeking to enter Europe, housing them in parking lots and make-shift prisons, in order to sell them on the open market like the days of antiquity, for as little as $100.

    Um, who’s buying them?

  13. Tel

    Fair enough, so let me qualify. Scientific research must be dispassionate.

    I make a point of being passionately dispassionate on these issues.

  14. C.L.

    ABC online has a story on men’s fashion in Sydney and Melbourne.
    This fellow struck the writer as an exemplar of the “impeccable.”

  15. Marcus Classis

    I looked that up, the Carnival Elation is 70,000 tonnes. Meanwhile the newer Oasis class (2009) is a whopping 220,000 tonnes. In comparison Canberra Class are only 25,000 tonnes… we should be pissing it in.

    Why?

    The operating envelopes are entirely different. They leave port (a slow process itself), then maintain a single power setting at or below 70% of rated until the next port, where they slow down and berth. And they always avoid rough weather if humanly possible. Their hull design is optimised for this.

    A naval unit operating aircraft does none of this. In one watch you can and do go completely across your power spectrum many times and to hell with the weather, and you manoevre all the time. I hear the whinging from junior officers that the middle and morning watches are no longer quiet, as they do screenplay all night now.

    Welcome back to TU ops, boys.

    Chalk and cheese comparison.

  16. Marcus Classis

    Thanks Egg. That’s a good read.

  17. Marcus Classis

    Marcus, if we’re going to debate, how about we try and stick fairly close to the truth?
    MOTS = Military Off The Shelf = something built, commissioned, and successfully in service.

    That’s not the Australian government’s definition. It’s yours.

  18. Fisky

    Choice quotes from the dimbulb that is about to be elected President of France. He will be much more incompetent than Hollande.

    During the campaign FranceInfo put together a marvellous video compilation of some of his utterly baffling pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Highlights include. “I’ve always accepted the vertical dimension, of transcendence, but, at the same time, it has to be utterly anchored in the immanent, in the material.” Huh?

    My favourite is: “We all have our roots. And because we all do, there are trees next to us, there are rivers, there are fish. There are brothers and sisters …” There are rivers eh? There are fish. This is not the next president of France talking, this is Basil Fotherington-Thomas. He say “Hullo clouds, hullo sky. Let me add my strength to yores.”

    I’m impressed with the elite’s ability to manufacture these incredibly vapid candidates out of nothing (Blair, Obama, etc) and impose them on electorates as fake “outsiders”.

  19. PoliticoNT

    No time now, off to lunch, but will you please all stop referring to the LHDs as carriers. They are, only if we spend $500m to re-engineer each one, and throw out all of the capability we’ve currently stacked into them.

    They cannot, I repeat cannot launch fixed wing, VTOL or other. Helos only.

  20. Tel

    A naval unit operating aircraft does none of this. In one watch you can and do go completely across your power spectrum many times and to hell with the weather, and you manoevre all the time. I hear the whinging from junior officers that the middle and morning watches are no longer quiet, as they do screenplay all night now.

    So you are saying it’s really nothing like an “off the shelf” technology, and we are basically running a research ship?

    I don’t quite get why hull design would cause the propulsion systems to fail, when the whole idea of these “pods” is that they are independent of the hull. That sounds like excuse making. As for storms… were they out in storms? Is that why it failed? Maybe the government should put that forward… presuming it’s not just more excuse making.

  21. Tom

    Donald Trump and Martin Trumble will meet face-to-face on Tuesday US time in New York on the 75th anniversary of the Battle of the Coral Sea, which stopped the Japanese invasion of Australia and led to the Japanese defeat in the Battle of Midway that ended the Pacific naval war. There’s an eye-watering eye-witness account of the Battle of the Coral Sea through the eyes of the remaining survivors in the Paywallian: Battle of the Coral Sea helped turn Pacific war’s tide. Link.

  22. That’s not the Australian government’s definition. It’s yours.

    So, enlighten us. What is the Australian government’s definition of MOTS?

  23. egg_

    LHDs remain alongside as Defence grapples with propulsion issues

    Comments re commercial ‘pod’ reliability akin to the ATSB report above.

    Also:
    Azipod is a trade name for ABB’s podded propulsion system. As such, the Siemens units should really be referred to as simply podded propulsion units, not Azipod.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    70 kids at AusKick this morning and only one girl.

    Womynz footy is changing the world.

  25. egg_

    The future of social justice robot smart electricity meters looks bright.

    ‘Consumer demand management’/carbon robocops will ‘rip yer bloody arms orff’ if you so much as plug in a toaster?

  26. Infidel Tiger

    ABC online has a story on men’s fashion in Sydney and Melbourne.
    This fellow struck the writer as an exemplar of the “impeccable.”

    We need ISIS to win. We deserve it.

  27. incoherent rambler

    The future of social justice robot smart electricity meters looks bright.

    Komrad, the supreme commander of smart meters reports that you used a toaster this morning, outside of the permitted hours of use.
    Such decadence is not permitted.
    How do you plead?

  28. Carpe Jugulum

    This fellow struck the writer as an exemplar of the “impeccable.”

    Looks like a Hobo after a 3 day meth binge in a dumpster.

  29. Tom

    This fellow struck the writer as an exemplar of the “impeccable.”

    We used to call them hobos.

  30. .

    Don’t be silly Mark. I know you’re completely in love with the terrible F-35, but saying the Harrier is junk because it is old…the B-52 is still going strong.

    Anyway, half a yard to get V/STOL capability is cheap. A fighter plane carrying HARMs can extend protection further than an AWD with evolved Sea Sparrows.

  31. I had a dream when I was 25.
    Apparently the Japanese were making an amphibious landing landing in Manly, and there were two blokes to stop them – me and one other. He had a .303 and I had my old Stirling .22 magnum.
    We were the only ones who could get the day off.
    Dream or precognition?
    🙂

  32. Geriatric Mayfly

    Anyone grappling with sanity, or exotic substances have at look at this over at David Thompson. (Sorry can’t linky)

    Don’t Inhale The Thinner

    The joy of painting.

    Via Metrolander.

  33. srr

    Has the world’s most feared gang arrived in Australia?
    The chilling clues that suggest MS-13 –
    notorious for full-body tattoos and brutal murders –
    have swapped the jails of Latin America for our streets


    Catholic priest Fabio Colindres speaks with a member of Mara Salvatrucha [MS – 13] gang during a mass inside a prison in El Salvador

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098196/Notorious-MS13-gang-arrived-Australia.html#ixzz4fhGZBbSB
    ____________________________________________

    Guerrilla who brokered controversial gang treaty in El Salvador is arrested

    While the truce temporarily brought down the country’s high homicide rate before it dissolved in September 2013, Melendez suggested the perceived gain was an illusion.

    The truce “promoted the strengthening and expansion of the gangs’ territories,” he said. “We have proven that. While the homicide rate may have gone down, at the same time disappearances increased, and that created what came to be known as clandestine burial sites.”

    Roman Catholic priest Fabio Colindres, who helped mediate the truce, was not charged. Melendez said Colindres’ name came up in the investigation, “but we did not find concrete evidence” against him.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/04/guerrilla-who-brokered-controversial-gang-treaty-in-el-salvador-is-arrested.html
    ________________

    Why El Salvador gang ceasefire is bad news for police

    […] it allowed the “maras”, or gangs, to focus on more lucrative operations such as extortion and kidnapping. As a gesture of goodwill, the government moved the gang leaders to low security prisons, from where they went on to run their criminal operations far more efficiently.

    “The 2012 ceasefire meant that the gangs could stop killing each other and concentrate their operations on extorting the rest of us,” said Elena Sanchez, a fruit stall owner. “Let them kill each other and give the rest of us a break.”

    Mr Giuliani, who championed zero tolerance policing in New York,has been hired by a group of powerful businessmen to provide advice on tackling the country’s crime crisis.

    His tough-guy approach matches the current no-negotiation no-truce mindset among El Salvador’s politicians and public.

    Even efforts by church leaders, encouraged from Rome by Pope Francis, to undertake a “dialogue” with the gangs – there is no talk of “negotiation” – has little support, despite the country’s staunch Roman Catholicism.

    Indeed, when Bishop Fabio Colindres, a mediator in the 2012 truce talks, publicly washed and kissed the feet of gang members during Holy Week last year, he was widely chastised in the media for coddling killers.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/elsalvador/11419112/Why-El-Salvador-gang-ceasefire-is-bad-news-for-police.html

  34. notafan

    Good try srr

    I have never ever claimed to be superCatholic, that is entirely a figment of your imagination.

    I don’t deny that there is evil in the world, and sites like the Church Militant and onepeterfive have their place, but do not speak on behalf of the Church.

    It is the Catholic Church that has always had exorcists, to the scoffing of so many, clearly we do believe that Satan does his work.

    But what I rejected is your characterization of these cults, insofar as they exist as ‘catholic satanic cults‘ . I also reject the false claims of such as Ronald Bernard, Fiona Barnett and the likes, wicked people who claim Pope Benedict and Saint John Paul are and were members of the imaginary illuminati global elite that you all seem to be claiming control the world for like a thousand years but, still they have not managed to destroy it, why is that I wonder?

    You, on the other had, apparently stand by them and their ugly claims.

    Disgusting and I wish you would stop bringing it here.

    Also you turning Trump into a messiah is plain stupid.

    For clarity

    This is what Catholics say when we renew our Baptismal promises
    V. Do you reject Satan?
    R. I do.
    V. And all his works?
    R. I do.
    V. And all his empty promises?
    R. I do.

    Renewal of Baptismal Promises here.

  35. .

    If we’re going to hammer the ADF and government on costs, our commitment to fight ISIS is paltry.

    The mission could be conducted by a section, commanded by a Pilot Officer, running two UAVs for surveillance and two UCAVs for ordnance delivery.

    Hell, that platoon size contingent (40+ men) could do more damage than the one-bomb-a-day mission output we’re doing now and any ADGies attached could do hit and run infantry assaults on other high-value targets.

  36. Baldrick

    Apparently the Japanese were making an amphibious landing landing in Manly …

    No sure about the Japanese Winston, but the Manly ferry docks every hour from Circular Quay. Watching the odds and sods landing in Manly is an eye opener.

  37. Anyway, half a yard to get V/STOL capability is cheap. A fighter plane carrying HARMs can extend protection further than an AWD with evolved Sea Sparrows.

    All true, Dot, especially when you don’t actually have any AWD’s. Plus there’s nothing wrong with Harriers – the Juan Carlos – on which our ships are based, currently operates them. The real problem – aside from the cost – is that using up the space required to house, service and maintain the aircraft effectively renders them useless for the purpose they were acquired for – as amphibious landing ships.

  38. JC

    Mayfly

    You’re talking about the famous Australian Thai chef? He set up a restaurant at the Crown in Melb. It’s supposed to be good, but I can’t eat that sort of food because of the spices.

  39. Marcus Classis

    So you are saying it’s really nothing like an “off the shelf” technology, and we are basically running a research ship?

    Nope. I am saying that both of the two designs considered for the RAN had Azipods (Egg’s correct comment being noted). it turns out that with this new tech, there’s some issues in using it in a different operating regime.

    I don’t quite get why hull design would cause the propulsion systems to fail, when the whole idea of these “pods” is that they are independent of the hull. That sounds like excuse making. As for storms… were they out in storms? Is that why it failed? Maybe the government should put that forward… presuming it’s not just more excuse making

    .

    Sigh.

    it does not. merchant ships are all specialised designs these days. It reduces opex. So cruise ship hulls are specifically optimised for long runs in calm seas with no draft changes and their plants are optimised for providing power on one setting during those voyages.

    The LHD are of course hydrodynamically efficient designs but they are used in an entirely different way. Their power plants and propulsion systems are used routinely across the entire power range all the time, they manoeuvre a lot, draft changes all the time and they rarely do long straight runs in calm weather at 70% power like a cruise ship does. They are always messing about launching and recovering aircraft, drilling, exercising, training, all the time. Seatime is valuable, you do not waste a second of it ’cause that’s wasting the taxpayers shilling.

    Naval units put a lot more use and a lot more strain on these systems than the merchies do. Simply that. And there’s problems, so they stopped all that so as not to cost the taxpayer more money, and are working to sort it out.

    Do not understand why people here who don’t know much about Navy are blaming Navy for it because (so far in this thread) of hijabs, politicians, social engineering and the gay mardi gras.

    Anyhoo, have fun Catallaxian keyboardistas, I’ve got an ATSB report to read in the next 40 minutes then I am going upcountry to hunt pigs and deer. The freezer at home needs filling after so long of me being away. I’m trying out Sierra Game King SP’s in .308.

  40. Carpe Jugulum

    Tom
    #2367459, posted on April 30, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    Snap, Carpe.

    🙂

  41. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’m stumped JC. Where did reference to Thigh Chefs come from?

  42. Myrddin Seren

    From SDA:

    Sex selection in Indian community persists despite years spent in Canada, researchers find

    While Canadian-born women give birth to about 105 boys for every 100 girls, Urquia and his team from the University of Toronto and St. Michael’s Hospital, showed Punjabi-speaking mothers in Ontario, at their third birth, had 240 boys for every 100 girls.

    “We expected that with longer exposure to Canada’s environment of greater gender equality, immigrants from India would progressively shift toward valuing daughters and sons more equally,” Urquia said. But it seems that’s not so.

    Instead of finding a decrease, they actually found a slight increase in preference for boys.

    We seem to find a trend emerging with ‘multiculturalism’ whereby people moving from distinctly different cultures, because their original countries are failed states or just shitty, and are able to exist within distinct cultural ghettoes in the richer countries they ( reluctantly ) come to are not picking up the local values.

    If anything, the voluntary cultural ghettoes they live within seem to be reinforcing old country values, not eroding them.

    Apart from the tears of the SJWs at the failure to breakdown heteronormative patriarchy, can’t see ghettoisation and identity politics ending well for the West.

  43. JC

    Mayfly,

    You left us in limbo regarding a link, so I googled David Thompson and came up with the above 🙂

  44. Tom

    I can’t eat that sort of food because of the spices.

    A tragedy, JC. Thai tucker is even better than Jap food because of the spices, IMO.

    Still, your ancestors gave us Bolognese and pizza — the world’s best simple peasant food — so you’re excused.

  45. I’ve got an ATSB report to read in the next 40 minutes then I am going upcountry to hunt pigs and deer.

    The flying DMO Procurement Officer has left the building.
    Time for a Papa nap.

  46. Gab

    Tinta – thanks for the update about Ric Bossi.

  47. JC

    Tom

    I can’t eat any of the food from that area including Indian because of a problem with one or more of their spices. I have ended up in hospital on a drip to deal with prostatitis. It’s one or more of the spices that I could test for, but really can’t be bothered, so I stay away from that sort of food. Love it though.

  48. Tel

    Nope. I am saying that both of the two designs considered for the RAN had Azipods (Egg’s correct comment being noted). it turns out that with this new tech, there’s some issues in using it in a different operating regime.

    So the designs they considered means nothing… they might have considered two bad designs. That’s just more excuse making.

    As for, “it turns out that with this new tech, there’s some issues” that’s saying this was all a total surprise? If your claiming MOTS you cannot then start to act all surprised when you start using it. That’s Humpty Dumpty language.

    This is a litany of excuses. Man up lad!

  49. Tel

    it does not. merchant ships are all specialised designs these days. It reduces opex. So cruise ship hulls are specifically optimised for long runs in calm seas with no draft changes and their plants are optimised for providing power on one setting during those voyages.

    We are just talking about the basic operation of being able to chug around without breakdowns.

    I’m not even going into fine grain optimization like fuel saving.

    The LHD are of course hydrodynamically efficient designs but they are used in an entirely different way.

    So again, we are back to research ships… except you won’t admit that.

    You try to argue every which way and sideways, and they look! a squirrel!

    Naval units put a lot more use and a lot more strain on these systems than the merchies do. Simply that. And there’s problems, so they stopped all that so as not to cost the taxpayer more money, and are working to sort it out.

    And that would be the whole point on MOTS. To buy something affordable and tested, not a research ship.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m slightly sorry to have started you all off, although the discussion is fun.
    I’ll be naughty and pick up on one of MC’s comments.

    Might as well go for Sea Hurricanes and Swordfish.

    Not a bad idea. All you’d do is adapt the Swordfish for Tomahawks (you’d want to be well clear before lighting the engine off). Likewise a couple of AA missiles and a 18 kW laser would do very nicely on a Hurricane. It’d need a redesign for the generator capacity, but you wouldn’t need to carry around all that heavy ammo anymore.

    Actually the F-35 may be using the same approach: it’s not the performance so much as the capability, offensive and defensive, coupled with avionics. Economizing on the platform in a highly defensive environment, with the C3I plus 120 kW (or bigger) lasers on the ship and rail guns for distant targets, and of course missiles and close defense systems, you almost only need something to fly up to height to launch your AS weapon. Hence the Swordfishies.

    The better result would be HMAS Canberra refitting as a drone carrier. It’d be fun. The CIC would have a line of screens with PlayStation controllers in front of them. You’d want the younger able seapeople to do the drone piloting, as they’re more instinctive with the controllers.

    {runs away}

  51. Mitch M.

    I know you’re completely in love with the terrible F-35

    The US airforce is already planning to make a new Warthog because the F-35 will never be adequate for close air support. The US navy is exploring the use of both the F-35 together with upgraded super hornets because contrary to popular opinion being stealthy still requires electronic suppression aircraft and the upgraded super hornets are more flexible than the F-35 allowing for more diverse weapons load out. The conflicting reports on the F-35 are frustrating and at this point I don’t why Australia is buying these as even the USA has admitted that the goal is to use F-22s and F-35s as a joint strike package. I’m not a fan of the F35’s because SU 35s will eat them: much more missile persistence, better evade and escape capacity, x band capacity for stealth aircraft detection.

  52. incoherent rambler

    To buy something affordable and tested, …

    Like frog nuclear subs fitted with diesel engines, to replace the highly successful choice of the Collins. /sarcoff

    And the navy wonders why they are a standing (still) joke.

  53. srr

    srr
    #2367225, posted on April 30, 2017 at 2:40 am

    Notafan
    #2367154, posted on April 29, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    Srr

    You chose to defend/excuse Ronald Bernard and haven’t really been very enlightening about your catholic satanic dutch princess.

    As for the rest, do rave on.

    Care to post a full quote of your claim?

    You know, so we can see why it is you don’t know what it is you claim I did or didn’t do, “defend” or “excuse” a person in a video Anne posted.

    As to cults that spin off catholic stuff, why don’t you serve your faith by posting a list of the many that have suckered people away from God to satanism/luciferianism/baalism/all the other names Anti-Christ religions use [the cat’s precious atheist princess lizzie seems to be getting miffed that her prefered brand of Anti-Christs aren’t getting enough attention]; seeing as you are such an expert on all things holy and unholy, and have worked so hard to CONvince everyone to disregard everything anyone you disapprove of has to say.

    So, that would be a Big Fat Lying NO from notafan, Again. –

    Notafan
    #2367230, posted on April 30, 2017 at 5:55 am

    Page I of this thread at 1.14 srr was where you tried to wave away Ronald Bernard’s insane clearly imaginary statements by making comparisons to Jimmy Saville and Rotherham.

    You are simply being typical of the cats favoured lying pets like Dot and JC, making shit up as you go and shifting goal posts and What Ever It Takes to “other” those of us who refuse to buy any of your apologetics for evil fucking c u n t s . –

    srr
    #2366792, posted on April 29, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    Hey notafan, why didn’t people just go to the police about Jimmy Savile and All The Rotherham’s, and … oh that’s right, they did … don’t stop digging, it’s important everyone lets it sink in, which side you are so driven to champion.

    And what was that in reply to? Oh just notafan trying desperately, to justify continuing to attack me for something Anne posted, and notafan was so outrageously outraged by, that notafan had to attack me because I’m not Anne, and all of notafan’s catty friends love Anne, whereas I’m not only free game for catty cat attacks, they get fucking BrownShirt Points for doing it 🙄

    Notafan
    #2366669, posted on April 29, 2017 at 9:39 am

    The Dutch ‘Illuminati’ Anne was spruiking a couple of days ago was himself spruiking a bank start up in 2015.

    Funny how someone claiming to be involved in an oh so vague satanic cult and resigning because he didn’t care to perform a human sacrifice doesn’t appear to have made the slightest effort to take his concerns to the police for years but instead is out there doing ‘don’t trust evil banks with your money trust me’ seminars

    Not to mention that you’d think a fair dinkum baby killing satanic cult of between 8000 and 8500 of the world’s richest and most influential people would know how to shut nobody foot soldier people up.

    I been they would only have to turn up at one of the dude’s seminars. Only 50 seats available!

    Poor Ronald, one minute shovelling Iraqi cash out of the back of trucks in German bank basements to practically running the entire Illuminati venture of trillions to speaking at €15 seminars for 50 folk.

    The only people who take this stuff seriously are the extremely gullible and the extremely malicious.

    Is this the catholic satanic cult shy srr was referring to?

    Credibility zero.

    If it’s trolling, lamer than test pattern and monty combined.

    Ronald Bernard in Dutch 2015

    https://irmaschiffers2014.wordpress.com/tag/ronald-bernard/
    Another link on joyful b bank

    Now, do you want to go back further to where we can see that you even had to verbal me to come up with your ridiculous, blame shifting, slur of a ‘question‘, and maybe even to where you ignore the fact that for decades and even to today, people reporting child rape gangs are the ones being arrested and gaoled, while evil fucking ‘untouchablemembers of child rape circles are being protected and defended until they die in peace, when slime like you then finally admit they were guilty, but still keep up your campaign of attacking those who continue to report protected [email protected] elites … nah, of course not, notafan. It seems your only interest is in trying to get people to name and tip off child rapists before they get arrested, charged and gaoled, while also trying to discredit the victims and witnesses.

  54. Eyrie

    The LHDs have a radar cross sections that makes a barn door look small and no proper CIWS.
    Do not go anywhere near the enemy.
    How are the (so far non existent) AWD’s going to do against supersonic sea skimming cruise missiles?
    Our RAAF effort against ISIS is pathetic. It is a mere live fire exercise. Bring them home.
    Our helicopters (MRH90)to use on the LHD’s are pieces of Eurocrap. Another brilliant John W.Howard decision that cost more than simply replacing the Blackhawks with new, latest model Blackhawks.
    The ARH Tiger was chosen because Defence procurement got trips to the south of France instead of Arizona.
    Let’s just buy a supply of white flags from China.
    There is no serious effort to defend this country when you consider the lack of a strategic petroleum reserve.
    Our defence force is just so a few can go elsewhere and fuck up other people’s countries in co-ordination with the Americans in the belief that if Australia needs actually defending, the USA will come to our rescue.

  55. .

    Do not understand why people here who don’t know much about Navy are blaming Navy for it because (so far in this thread) of hijabs, politicians, social engineering and the gay mardi gras.

    We’re not blaming the Navy. I reckon Marise Payne should do the honourable thing and quit.

  56. incoherent rambler

    The better result would be HMAS Canberra refitting as a drone carrier. It’d be fun. The CIC would have a line of screens with PlayStation controllers in front of them. You’d want the younger able seapeople to do the drone piloting, as they’re more instinctive with the controllers.

    Using google maps to locate the target?

  57. .

    SRR is transitioning to a left wing loon.

    Beautiful.

  58. incoherent rambler

    Let’s just buy a supply of white flags from China.
    There is no serious effort to defend this country when you consider the lack of a strategic petroleum reserve.

    Worth repeating.
    The procurement delays for the white flags might be a problem.

  59. Any particular reason we haven’t made an agreement with the US to just buy our military needs from them at a discount?
    Get the Virginia class subs on lease, get the F35/F22 on lease, get their tanks and arty at better prices.
    Sack 95% of Defence Support or whatever they call themselves, train our own soldiers and send for expert training to the US.
    Make our own munitions up to a certain cost level and have more than a weeks worth.
    …and bring back National Service – no exceptions.
    Defence Policy.
    What’s so bloody hard about it?

  60. incoherent rambler

    Make our own munitions up to a certain cost level and have more than a weeks worth.

    In the 1990’s, I witnessed an army sergeant instructing his underlings to yell ‘bang‘ during rifle practise.
    I was told there was an ammunition supply problem.

  61. Myrddin Seren

    Let’s just buy a supply of white flags from China.

    There is no serious effort to defend this country when you consider the lack of a strategic petroleum reserve.

    I would say that is the real policy of the Uniparty and their Mandarins in Canberra.

    The Sir Humphreys would be advising the Government-of-the-Day that any real military action would be ‘bold’, and tapping the file about people wanting to arrest John Howard and send him to the Hague over GWII, plus the very bad political optics of lots of body bags.

    Our Political Class do the bare minimum to keep a fig leaf on the alliance with the US.

    Squandering billions on a Potemkin acquisition programme is probably just incompetence and political self-serving. But with that much loot sloshing around it would be almost unique for some of that tax payer billions NOT to be finding its way back to offshore bank accounts.

    If there is a real showdown with ANY regional nuclear power AND if for any reason it looks like Uncle Sam won’t stare down a hostile major power on our behalf, then it would not surprise me if there were not pre-printed surrender documents in a variety of languages in a locked cabinet in the PM’s office.

    Australia’s Strategic Defence Policy:

    1. Hi Uncle Sam.

    failing 1.

    2. We surrender – my name is Quisling, can I help with the transition !?

  62. Tel

    Get the Virginia class subs on lease, get the F35/F22 on lease, get their tanks and arty at better prices.

    Totally agree, if it’s on lease and it doesn’t work properly, you give it back.

    The Virginia class has been seriously tested, excellent process for regular maintenance, and long, long range. The anti-nuke greens are never going to vote Liberal anyhow.

  63. egg_

    …and bring back National Service

    Have Y’assisfat on a recruiting drive.

  64. Libby Zee

    Using google maps to locate the target?

    The satnav in our car tells us when there is a traffic jam ahead and directs us around it. Presumably it’s getting live real-time information. Why not use that to locate the target?

  65. Chris

    In the 1990’s, I witnessed an army sergeant instructing his underlings to yell ‘bang‘ during rifle practise.
    I was told there was an ammunition supply problem.

    Big f****g deal. Did it regularly. Still trained our section search, contact and ambush drills just fine AND started no bushfires. Unlike our artillery familiarisation weekend, when they had ammunition.

  66. .

    We don’t need national service. A lot of people get knocked back for marginal reasons.

  67. Tel

    Something else that bugs me… why do the Australian Navy keep imagining they are going back to finish the job at Gallopoli ?

    Why are amphibious landings a mayor part of our defensive defense strategy for our defense forces? Did I use the “defense” word often enough there?

    Long range submarines make perfect sense. Fast, lightweight boats make sense… but where inside Australia’s territory are we intending an amphibious landing? Maybe the beaches North of Freemantle might be what Canberra is thinking about, when inevitably the West Australians finally go through with succession. That’s about the only use I can think of.

  68. Robber Baron

    rickw
    #2367240, posted on April 30, 2017 at 7:28 am
    Pakistani Girl Kidnapped and Sold into Sex Slavery is Found and Returned Home Where She Is Honor-Killed By Brother for Being Whore

    A beautiful religion…

    Brother, soon to be rewarded with part-time gig as a presenter with ABC to promote the most feminist religion evahhhhhhhh.

    How anyone can support this cult is beyond reason. Kick them out. Defund them. Boycott all Halal products. Don’t do any business with muslims. Ignore them at all times.

  69. boN;

    Actually the F-35 may be using the same approach: it’s not the performance so much as the capability, offensive and defensive, coupled with avionics. Economizing on the platform in a highly defensive environment, with the C3I plus 120 kW (or bigger) lasers on the ship and rail guns for distant targets, and of course missiles and close defense systems, you almost only need something to fly up to height to launch your AS weapon. Hence the Swordfishies.

    I tried to make that point a few months ago.
    The aircraft is just the missile carrier. Just about any twin engined heavy fighter from as far back as WW2 would do the job. Whack on a load of anti air missiles to a squadron of 16 fighters which equals a barrage of 128 missiles against a CAP of twelve enemy fighters. If they make it past them and engage the missile carrier, just bail out the pilot. His training costs more than we could mass produce the plane for.
    We have the production capability to make missile carriers now. We don’t have the capability to make air superiority fighters. Make what we can.
    Damn near anything could be better than putting our pilots into Wirraways while the Zero flyers do aerobatics around them before killing the poor bastards.

  70. incoherent rambler

    That’s about the only use I can think of.

    We need the capacity in case Pt. Piper falls.

  71. Eyrie

    I like the Swiss model. Arm everyone over 18 (women included) with military style automatic rifle and you are in the reserves.
    Extra guns and ammo optional at owner’s expense.
    Buy a bunch of grey missile armed speedboats. Our volunteer Coastguard would love it. Seems to work for the Iranians.
    Arm around 1000 small STOL light aircraft with laser guided air to ground rockets. They would cost about what 10 attack helicopters would cost. You’d have to beat off the volunteers to fly them.
    Strategic petroleum reserve/ammunition reserve scattered scattered around the country and coasts.
    High end, a few Virginia Class nukes for the navy, some maritime patrol aircraft and some fighters with antiship missiles controlled by AWACS and supplied by tankers. Special Forces to stomp on any enemy infiltration/outbreaks.
    Any infrastructure projects to be run past defence evaluation for vulnerability/denial to enemy. Remember during the Cold War any bridges in Germany had demo charges designed in. Spetsnaz’s job was to prevent their use.

  72. Top Ender

    Mundine making a goose of himself on Latham’s program:

    Speaking with Mr Latham and Mr Fordham this week, Mundine said all Indigenous Australians were Muslim.

  73. Bruce in WA

    I’m trying out Sierra Game King SP’s in .308.

    Good choice.

  74. Dot, at least with National Service, the Snowflake Brigade would be able to take on the Sudanese boys when they’re on leave.
    I think.

  75. egg_

    Get the Virginia class subs on lease, get the F35/F22 on lease, get their tanks and arty at better prices.

    Looks like ANZUS is the skirt we hide under.
    Thank Gawd for Pine Gap et al.

  76. Le Pen announced that if she wins the presidency next Sunday, she would name Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, her new campaign ally, as prime minister, aiming to secure the nearly 1.7 million votes that the anti-European Union conservative got when he was eliminated from the race in the first round of balloting.

  77. Geriatric Mayfly

    davidthompson.typepad.com

    If you think you’re crazy you’re not there yet.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    The discussion of defence technology is worthwhile, but it was sparked by the accusation from Piers Ackerman that RAN command was asleep at the wheel.
    This is undoubtedly true.
    If any Defence Chief is to appear before Senate estimates, which question do they fear most?
    The questions about combat readiness?
    Or the questions about gender equality, multi-culti outreach programs and unsavoury activities at ADFA?
    Without question, the latter occupies every waking moment of the top brass.

  79. incoherent rambler

    Maybe we could just get rid of our defence forces. We just need an urban fighting force.

    1. Our pollies will sell out for much less than the cost of an invasion.

    2. Sedition and subsequent insurrection would be cheaper, easier.

    3. 1 & 2 assume that somebody wants something we have. Like our booming industrial, manufacturing and electricity generation capacity. Or maybe they would want the vast numbers of high-value industrious workers that inhabit our suburbs. Or maybe they would want our totally undeveloped oil and gas fields and they want expend huge amounts of money to develop them. Or maybe they would want to resurrect our agricultural base and demolish city fringes that have obliterated our most productive soils. or …

  80. cynical1

    Johnathan Green.

    Taxpayer funded cockhead.

    Not a death threat, but a fucking good belting would do.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenJ/status/857446261774983168

  81. rickw


    Let’s just buy a supply of white flags from China.
    There is no serious effort to defend this country when you consider the lack of a strategic petroleum reserve.

    New Caledonia has a mandated strategic fuel reserve, I think it’s 90 days.

    Australia doesn’t, and with Government and Unions raping and pillaging the industry, everyone runs with absolute minimum inventory. We are now down to 3 or 4 tin pot refineries.

    If you really want to frighten yourself, find out how many days supply Melbourne and Sydney Airports have in reserve.

  82. incoherent rambler

    or maybe they just want a house in Pt. Piper.

  83. egg_

    Siemens ‘SISHIP and SINAVY eSiPOD’ PDF brochure – definitely ‘MILspec’, presumably.

  84. egg_

    From comments on the Delingpole ‘March for Science’ article above:
    ‘The CIA needs to stop these damn experiments to see what humans would do if you totally remove their brains.’

  85. incoherent rambler

    New Caledonia has a mandated strategic fuel reserve, I think it’s 90 days.

    No worries mate, forget the transport fuels.
    I have a 90 day reserve of gas for the barbie. 90 days for the leaf blower and hedge trimmer.
    Be prepared!

  86. rickw

    What a communist hell hole Australia is.

    Just went to K mart, $49.99 for a Daisy Buck BB gun, you can buy them with no paperwork or problem. Although Walmart has them cheaper:

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Daisy-Youth-Air-Rifle-Buck-2105/19341880

    Of course these are deadly and highly restricted weapons in Australia.

    The real reason of course is that you don’t want 10y/o boys doing stuff that:

    – makes them responsible
    – teaches them marksmanship
    – develops an interest in guns

    Australia’s pogrom against toy guns is vile, it’s all about moulding society, and in particular boys and therefore ultimately men.

  87. Gab

    Funny how the Australian jihad against toy guns hasn’t actually stopped the sales of real guns to yoofs and adults.

  88. rickw


    Funny how the Australian jihad against toy guns hasn’t actually stopped the sales of real guns to yoofs and adults.

    I assume you’re talking about muzzies? The rest as been more than decimated.

  89. C.L.

    Is Sinclair still running this blog?
    Seriously.

  90. Andrew

    SRR is transitioning to a left wing loon.

    How can you tell?

  91. JC

    C.L.
    #2367530, posted on April 30, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    Is Sinclair still running this blog?
    Seriously.

    I always thought your blog was decent value. 🙂

  92. Bill Thompson

    Gerard Henderson spared me some of his valuable time before entering the Insiders lion’s den this morning… Although the panel were pretty well-behaved today, as it turned out. The gin & tonics must have worked their magic…

    https://youtu.be/n3lNxzny-PY

  93. Tel

    The aircraft is just the missile carrier. Just about any twin engined heavy fighter from as far back as WW2 would do the job. Whack on a load of anti air missiles to a squadron of 16 fighters which equals a barrage of 128 missiles against a CAP of twelve enemy fighters. If they make it past them and engage the missile carrier, just bail out the pilot. His training costs more than we could mass produce the plane for.

    Check out the Super Tucano… it’s a cheap, simple, slow airframe, good enough to hold a few missiles and also has state of the art electronics and communications systems. With the right sort of ground support it would be an excellent way to get good coverage, plenty of vision, and lob a lot of missiles. Won’t win any dog fights, but that’s the job for the missile to worry about.

    It’s about 100x cheaper than any real fighter, so you can buy 100x as many of them. Don’t worry if you lose a few here and there.

    Won’t work for Australia because we couldn’t supply enough pilots but some of the Asian countries could try that approach. Maybe we could stick in a robot pilot or else bring in some more “temporary” visa holders and get them to be targets, oh I mean honoured fighting persons… whichever is cheaper I guess.

  94. Makka

    Won’t work for Australia because we couldn’t supply enough pilots but some of the Asian countries could try that approach.

    A few hundred drones would do the trick.

  95. Tel

    A few hundred drones would do the trick.

    Well that’s what I meant by a robot pilot, but I guess all the lovely avionics wouldn’t be so useful anymore.

  96. notafan

    Not sure if this has been linked.

    It is quite unbelievable that an ideology so failed is still fashionable for so many

    British athlete James Cracknell was recently caught citing North Korea and Cuba as examples of how to “get a handle on obesity”—which both regimes have done by starving their people

    racknell posted a half-hearted apology, and I don’t want to be too hard on him, because in all likelihood he is simply not very bright and just needs to refrain from speaking in public ever again. This is unfortunate for him, since he has ambitions of running for Parliament.

    The problem is that Cracknell has clearly been educated and lives in an environment where the reasons for starvation in Communist regimes are considered to be vague and complex and maybe can just be chalked down to “behavior modification.” Cracking jokes about the Holocaust is a line not to be crossed, but insensitive offhand references to brutal communist dictatorships? No big deal.

    For The Left, Socialism Denial Is Holocaust Denial

  97. C.L.

    Labor looking for a way out and anything will do:

    Federal Labor backtracking on support of Adani’s coal mine.

    Earlier this month, Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten backed the project…

    But Labor’s energy and environment spokesman Mark Butler today warned the development could hurt other coalmining areas.

    “It will simply displace existing coal operations elsewhere in Australia,” Mr Butler said.

    “There will be jobs lost elsewhere in Queensland or there will be jobs lost in the Hunter Valley.”

    A whopping new coal mine will lead to … fewer jobs?

  98. val majkus

    Anthony Watts has a selection of the craziest signs in the climate march

  99. Cary

    Piece of land leased by local government to an angler’s club is earmarked for a cycle path through it connecting up a longer pre-existing cycle way covering many kms in beach and bay side suburbs, i.e. it’s A Good Thing. The club says the path will be a hazard for club traffic entering & exiting the club grounds and asked for the council to agree to accept vicarious liability if cyclists are hit and injured. The council – naturally – refused as per legal instruction and common sense. The club and individual drivers will be fully liable for any damages or compensation to people or cars. Selfish whingers.

  100. val majkus

    also at Watts

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    Greens have scored a major coup in Australia, as their PR campaign has apparently just convinced all four of the big Australian banks to close the door to lending to major new coal projects. My question – who in their right mind would invest in such a failed business environment?

    Australian politicians must share some blame for this setback. This new roadblock to mining investment is just another addition to Australia’s maelstrom of green tape for new mining projects, created through years of spineless pandering to every outrageous green demand.

    According to JoNova;


    … The Adani central mining project application has been running for seven years and faced more than 10 court challenges. It includes a 22,000-page environmental impact statement.

    In the Pilbara in Western Australia, the Roy Hill iron ore mine had to obtain 4000 separate licences, approvals and permits just for the pre-construction phase.

    The Turnbull government vowed to review environmental laws to prevent activist groups’ legal challenges to development projects ranging from dams and roads to coalmines. It said challenges under section 487 of the Environment Act, which allows anyone with a “special interest in the environment” the right to challenge, were becoming more “vexatious and frivolous” . Of 32 legal challenges under the act that went to court, developers spent a cumulative 7500 days — or 20 years — in court even though 28 of the environmental cases were defeated and three required only minor technical changes to go ahead. …

    Read more: http://joannenova.com.au/2017/04/176b-a-year-lost-to-green-tape-7k-per-australian/

    This political idiocy is having a real impact on the Australian economy. Australia is facing a looming shortfall of domestic energy, a crisis engineered by defective government policies which make exploration more expensive and enhanced recovery techniques such as fracking extremely difficult to permit – a crisis which recently prompted the Australian Federal government to impose export restrictions on gas.

    ….

    There is little doubt in my mind that a combination of domestic green lunacy and an unfavourable global economic environment is having a catastrophic impact on perceptions of Australia’s international business credibility, a crisis of our own making.

    When investors compare Australia’s growing snarl of green tape, the anti-business efforts of Australian politicians, with bold initiatives by leaders like President Trump to remove political obstacles to doing business, it isn’t difficult to see where the next wave of business investment and jobs growth will land.

  101. notafan

    Mark Butler’s comments re jobs is bizarre scaremongering

    India has millions of people currently without access to electricity and to suggest that opening a new mine would mean supply would outstrip Indian demand is just a nonsense.

    Desperately seeking excuses.

  102. egg_

    Anthony Watts has a selection of the craziest signs in the climate march

    Monster?

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    to suggest that opening a new mine would mean supply would outstrip Indian demand is just a nonsense.

    Especially since they plan to build nearly 370 new coal fired power plants.
    Maybe someone should ask Mr Butler where he thinks they plan to get all that extra coal from?

  104. val majkus

    In defence

    Conservatives shouldn’t be demanding the sacking of this very silly young woman from Islamic Central Casting. Indeed, rather than emulate the Left and apply the gag to someone whose opinions offend, we should beg the ABC to give her even more airtime. Nothing does more damage to a cause than a fool

  105. IR.
    Your suggestion is not without merit.

  106. rickw

    Conservatives shouldn’t be demanding the sacking of this very silly young woman from Islamic Central Casting. Indeed, rather than emulate the Left and apply the gag to someone whose opinions offend, we should beg the ABC to give her even more airtime. Nothing does more damage to a cause than a fool

    No better way of getting the message out on how stupid and dangerous muslims are.

  107. incoherent rambler

    Nothing does more damage to a cause than a fool

    The ABC already knows this.
    Note that any politician that has challenged the ABC orthodoxy in the past, has been labelled as an idiot fool.
    It is currently applied to Bernardi. Whilst he is not the sharpest tool in the shed, he stands head shoulders above the ABC sycophants.

  108. Whalehunt Fun

    It is unfair and ethnically discriminatory to withold from her, her cultural right to be stoned to death for her vilely offensive writings. I support her right to be smashed to pulp for her offence. Besides which it would be fun to watch intead of more boring leftard whining about Trump. They could play it instead of Insiders.

  109. egg_

    Nothing does more damage to a cause than a fool

    Like Waleed – All admin workers are ‘bogan’ – Aly?

  110. Tel;
    Interesting looking piece of kit, but you may have missed my point – the object is to have an aircraft that is a bare bones delivery system. Just a radio for coms, and be vectored onto their targets by another higher capability aircraft which is in a stand back position. The delivery system is essentially a throw away.
    If we can get two or three uses out of it, great.
    Except for the pilots.

  111. DrBeauGan

    Alistair Nicholas is perfectly correct. God save that all my enemies be fools.

    Yasmin is a fool. The more idiotic arguments she produces on behalf of the ABC the easier it will be to shut it down.

  112. struth

    Where are the pussy hats for Le Pen?

    Will there be females all over France shattered if she does not break the glass ceiling?

    Surely the continued patriarchy of a Macron victory should fill them with the fire in their breasts to get out on the streets for the feminist cause.

    Will there be women castigating other women in the pure disbelief that, given this golden opportunity to show girls anything is possible, they voted for Macronomics?

  113. Cary

    I haven’t read it but David Marr in his recent essay on PHON claimed that it was weird the media attention she/it gets given that the big majority of Australiams hold very different and fair more tolerant views on e.g. multiculturalism and immigration. Reminded me of the fact that in the US the biggest selling and most popular poet for probably at least a decade, possibly more, is Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, a Persian Muslim poet and Sufi master born in 1207. A well-deserved reputation, I might add.

  114. Roger

    The ABC already knows this.

    Which is why I suspect they won’t offer Abdel-Magied a renewal of her contract when the time comes.

  115. Roger

    I haven’t read it but David Marr in his recent essay on PHON claimed that it was weird the media attention she/it gets given that the big majority of Australiams hold very different and fair more tolerant views on e.g. multiculturalism and immigration.

    Ever heard of “the Bradley effect”, Cary?

  116. Gab

    The Turnbull government vowed to review environmental laws to prevent activist groups’ legal challenges to development projects ranging from dams and roads to coalmines.

    Bwahahaha! Sure he will. Piss weak piece of feculence.

  117. Makka

    I see Chambers got into the Australian League side. Good.

  118. incoherent rambler

    The Turnbull government vowed to review environmental laws to prevent activist groups’ legal challenges to development projects ranging from dams and roads to coalmines.

    Yes minister, we have reviewed them.

  119. Cary

    Yep Roger. The “Bradley Effect” is just another lie the elites use to comfort themselves. I prefer cold hard facts.

  120. struth

    I haven’t read it but David Marr in his recent essay on PHON claimed that it was weird the media attention she/it gets given that the big majority of Australiams hold very different and fair more tolerant views on e.g. multiculturalism and immigration. Reminded me of the fact that in the US the biggest selling and most popular poet for probably at least a decade, possibly more, is Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, a Persian Muslim poet and Sufi master born in 1207. A well-deserved reputation, I might add.

    A champagne socialist.
    An Inner urban latte set poonce knows what most Australians think of immigration?

    Funny, the only polls that I’ve seen clearly show the majority of Australians want an end to the mussie invasion caused by traitorous elites.

    I’ll put my travel through this country and knowing it’s people, any day ,up against his insulated existence and give you my professional analysis.
    He’s full of shit.
    And that’s amazing if you think about it.

  121. Donald Trump isn’t just Hitler. He’s also the Ku Klux Klan’s Imperial Wizard. Don’t believe me? Well, Sixty Minutes has the scoop on the Nein Network tonight, so there!

    FMD.

    Fair dinkum. Everybody knows that Trump is really grand supreme leader of the lizard people from planet 9. What are they on about?

  122. Mitch M.

    Check out the Super Tucano… it’s a cheap, simple, slow airframe, good enough to hold a few missiles and also has state of the art electronics and communications systems

    I recently a saw a doco on that which stated that it was that aircraft which promoted the idea of a simple CAS aircraft and an upgraded Warthog. The advantage of turbo prop is very much reduced operating costs and maintenance. On the other hand something like the SU 25 might be worth thinking about.

  123. calli

    Yikes! Dunno what this fella is calling for, unless it’s a two decades late term one.

  124. Mike of Marion

    struth
    #2367565, posted on April 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    Aptly packed!

  125. Senile Old Guy

    Yasmin is a fool. The more idiotic arguments she produces on behalf of the ABC the easier it will be to shut it down.

    The problem is that no politician has the will to defund the ABC, even a little bit, so taxpayers are paying her salary; we are paying her to abuse Australia and Australians.

  126. egg_

    An Inner urban latte set poonce knows what most Australians think of immigration?

    So long as the reffos are NIMBY!, of course.

  127. Cary

    struth

    contemplate this syllogism:

    Turing thinks machines think.
    Turing lies with men.
    Therefore, machines don’t think.

  128. srr

    The Ugly Truth About Justin Trudeau
    Ezra Levant and Stefan Molyneux

  129. egg_

    The ABC already knows this.

    Which is why I suspect they won’t offer Abdel-Magied a renewal of her contract when the time comes.

    Or one where she’s far more obscure – Gardening Australia’s Woop Woop presenter?

  130. vr

    This wonderful article makes the case against academic tenure.

    Campus Chaos Makes Case Against Tenure

    There’s no room here to rehash the case for an open marketplace of ideas and against centralized control of what viewpoints can and can’t be expressed. That case has been made before, and experience tells us it will need to be made in perpetuity if we want to preserve America’s unique free speech tradition.

    But Baer’s piece raises another, more narrow issue: Why should academia offer tenure if it is not institutionally committed to protecting a diversity of opinion?

    Tenure came into being in the late 19th-century as a way to protect professors from being fired for holding unpopular opinions. And it remains the case that the only principled justification for academic jobs-for-life is to protect the intellectual freedom of the professoriate. But this case for tenure looks a lot weaker if academia as a whole is not willing to defend the idea of free speech.

    RTWT at the link.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    SA: GST review a threat to small states

    Australian Associated Press
    3:44PM April 30, 2017

    A Productivity Commission review of how GST revenue is distributed is about taking money from smaller states like South Australia, Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis says.

    The treasurer says the review is a political decision designed to improve the coalition’s standing in Western Australia.

    “It’s pretty obvious what’s happening here. The commonwealth government has been routed in Western Australia,” Mr Koutsantonis told reporters on Sunday.

    “And so, in an attempt to even things up, they want to take GST away from South Australians and give it to Western Australians.”

    Under current arrangements, the Commonwealth Grants Commission, through the existing system of horizontal fiscal equalisation, recommends the distribution of GST so each state ends up with a comparable level of government services.

    That allows SA to receive about $1.30 for every dollar of GST raised.

    Treasurer Scott Morrison says some have suggested that this approach creates disincentives for reform, including moves to enhance revenue raising capacities or drive efficiencies in spending.

    But Mr Koutsantonis said the review had come out of the blue, without consultation.

    “Every South Australian should know that this decision is all about taking money our of your pockets and giving it to someone else,” he said.

    “It’s about taking money out of your hospitals, your schools, your roads, your police department, your fire department and giving it to someone else.”

    The SA treasurer said while the current system was not perfect it was the best process available.

    “Tinkering with this system today is all about politics,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

    “It’s working well. Why tinker with it now.”

    Breaking news, in the Oz. The mendicant States whinging already.

  132. Tel

    The club says the path will be a hazard for club traffic entering & exiting the club grounds and asked for the council to agree to accept vicarious liability if cyclists are hit and injured. The council – naturally – refused as per legal instruction and common sense.

    The magic of vicarious liability is that you cannot refuse.
    🙂
    The mere acknowledgment of that letter, creates the necessary path to vicarious liability (lovely isn’t it) … this council should have paid for the good lawyers, because it seems like the club must have had a few long chats about it, presumably while fishing.

  133. I haven’t read it but David Marr in his recent essay on PHON claimed that it was weird the media attention she/it gets given that the big majority of Australiams hold very different and fair more tolerant views on e.g. multiculturalism and immigration. …

    A champagne socialist.
    An Inner urban latte set poonce knows what most Australians think of immigration?
    Funny, the only polls that I’ve seen clearly show the majority of Australians want an end to the mussie invasion caused by traitorous elites.
    I’ll put my travel through this country and knowing it’s people, any day ,up against his insulated existence and give you my professional analysis.
    He’s full of shit.
    And that’s amazing if you think about it.

    +1
    Spot on Struth.
    Y’all may recall in September last year (much discussed on the Cat at the time) an Essential Poll showed 49% support for a total ban on inward Muslim migration.
    Essential were shocked at the result, coz it was so different to accepted conventional wisdom, so they repeated the poll a week or so later, with a different control group.

    Same answer: 49% opposed.

    The poll has never been repeated. Funny about that.
    David Marr is full of shit.

  134. Boambee John

    Zulu

    The GST was introduced as a tax to finance state operations.

    It should be returned to the state in which it was raised.

    If the Commonwealth feels the need for horizontal fiscal equalisation it should use its own revenue base.

  135. rickw

    Tel;
    Interesting looking piece of kit, but you may have missed my point – the object is to have an aircraft that is a bare bones delivery system. Just a radio for coms, and be vectored onto their targets by another higher capability aircraft which is in a stand back position. The delivery system is essentially a throw away.
    If we can get two or three uses out of it, great.
    Except for the pilots.

    If you look at most major conflicts, numbers of pieces of equipment vs capability of individual pieces of equipment has been the deciding factor. Particularly when you start losing them in combat.

    (Actually the muzzies use this approach with their children.)

  136. egg_

    Adani EIS Recommendations:
    “Inform and refine potential for impact upon specific environmental features such as the Blackthroated
    finch “.
    Conservation status is “Least Concern” per Wiki.

  137. egg_

    That’s because he ate it.

    He’s not modelling the B-Ark space suit?

  138. Cary

    The mere acknowledgment of that letter, creates the necessary path to vicarious liability (lovely isn’t it)

    That doesn’t follow. Government is required to respond or acknowledge receipt of communications to their staff.

  139. Cary

    Same answer: 49% opposed.

    So a clear majority according to those polls support no restrictions on Muslim immigration.

  140. Bruce in WA

    So a clear majority according to those polls support no restrictions on Muslim immigration.

    No, dickhead, because the actual results were:

    Total support 49%
    Total oppose 40%
    Don’t know 11%

  141. Frank

    The ABC already knows this.

    Which is why I suspect they won’t offer Abdel-Magied a renewal of her contract when the time comes.

    She would be a match for Playschool.

  142. Snoopy

    Cary
    #2367594, posted on April 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm
    Same answer: 49% opposed.

    So a clear majority according to those polls support no restrictions on Muslim immigration.

    Since 49% are in favour of a total ban, I doubt very much that you are correct.

  143. Eyrie

    These things made quite a mess of the Nigerian Air Force in 1969.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6_MFI-9

    Search for ” biafran babies” and take a moment to salute Count Carl Gustav Ericsson von Rosen, a man who put his life, fortune and sacred honour on the line to do what was right.

  144. .

    Andrew:

    Calling out the Catholic church as “satanic”, it won’t be long before SRR joins code pink and buys a shit tonne of colloidal silver.

  145. Gab

    Beginning to think “Cary” has rakes somewhere in his lineage. You’re not related to monty, are you?

  146. Combine Dave

    Gab
    #2367604, posted on April 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm
    Beginning to think “Cary” has rakes somewhere in his lineage. You’re not related to monty, are you?

    Grey nurses?

  147. jupes

    The only thing worse than losing the first leg of your multi is losing your last leg.

    Bloody Cats.

  148. Cary

    Don’t know 11%

    ‘Don’t know’ in a questionnaire does not constitute either support or non support and cannot be added to one side or the other.

    Therefore, a clear majority, as I said…

  149. Tailgunner

    Ouch, jupes!
    I was done on Friday night – bloody Dogs!

  150. Tailgunner

    What would Stimpson have to say about Cary’s beard?

  151. Fisky

    I haven’t read it but David Marr in his recent essay on PHON claimed that it was weird the media attention she/it gets given that the big majority of Australiams hold very different and fair more tolerant views on e.g. multiculturalism and immigration. …

    Mmmmyesss. It’s not just the Essential Poll that shocked the elites like a turkey slap, it’s their rushing to shut down the 457 program. This stuff isn’t coming out of a void – the LNP/ALP have almost certainly run dozens of private polls with the same broad outcomes.

    David Marr, it must be noted, has been wrong about every essential aspect of immigration policy, and nearly particular, for more than a decade now. There is obviously something amiss with his basic worldview if it is producing regular errors of judgment (didn’t he write a book in the 1980s claiming that a prominent Labor Left identity wasn’t really a Soviet collaborator at all? I vaguely remember him doing so).

  152. Bruce in WA;
    Most of us have noticed that the Left, Gary included, are capable of torturing facts out of statistics that lesser mortals like us are incapable of doing.
    The coincidence, of course is that these ‘facts’ always buttress their own position, not anyone elses.
    Oh. To be so clever.

  153. Gab

    Therefore, a clear majority, as I said…

    Yes, a clear majority for supporting a ban on muslim immigration.

  154. cohenite

    val majkus

    #2367546, posted on April 30, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    In defence …

    Conservatives shouldn’t be demanding the sacking of this very silly young woman from Islamic Central Casting. Indeed, rather than emulate the Left and apply the gag to someone whose opinions offend, we should beg the ABC to give her even more airtime. Nothing does more damage to a cause than a fool

    I disagree Val. Islam thrives on exposure and attention. Islam in Australia has over 370 mosques, which per capita is more than six times the number of Buddhist and Hindu temples. It is much more than the conventional (sic) religions such as Catholicism and Anglicanism have all together. Why? Because it is a numbers and power game: mosques are a visible reminder of islam, just like burqas and all the fuss about halal.

    To defeat islam the beginning is to reduce its footprint by reducing and eradicating all these aspects of it; on top of that creatures like yassmin should have NO airspace; none; then we’ll see what happens.

  155. Roger

    Yep Roger. The “Bradley Effect” is just another lie the elites use to comfort themselves. I prefer cold hard facts.

    Discomfort, more likely.

  156. jupes

    Reminded me of the fact that in the US the biggest selling and most popular poet for probably at least a decade, possibly more, is Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, a Persian Muslim poet and Sufi master born in 1207. A well-deserved reputation, I might add.

    LOL.

    Says a lot more about poetry than it does about the Muzzo dude.

    You idiot.

  157. Fisky

    Here’s the poll on the 457 shutdown –

    Go too far in regulating foreign workers 16%
    Don’t go far enough in regulating foreign workers 28%
    Are about right 39%
    Don’t know 17%

    So that’s 67% of the public either agreeing with the government in shutting down the 457 program, or saying it doesn’t go far enough.

    If only 16% of the electorate actually oppose a reduction in a key component of the migration program, that tells you how strongly people are tracking on this issue.

  158. Snoopy

    It was absolutely brilliant of Channel Nein to feature a Moozely lambasting Trump at the MSM’s White House Dinner. They couldn’t possibly do anything more to demonstrate Trump’s good sense in deciding to give it a miss.

  159. Baldrick

    I’d be interested to know Cary’s take on using Grey Nurse sharks as flake, covered in heritage wheat flakes and served with pommes frites and lemon and gherkin infused moyannaise.

  160. Roger

    I prefer cold hard facts.

    Plenty on offer here, I see.

  161. john constantine

    Their marrfilth is hellbent on the complete deconstruction of obsolete Australian society.

    In the old days, the insider that snuck around under cover of darkness and threw open the city gates so the hordes could storm and sack and rape and pillage the society that the insider despised could be promised a sack of gold and a fast horse.

    More likely, they got the pure moment of ultimate satisfaction of seeing the people they hated put to the sword and the city gutted by flames, then their throat got cut.

    Their Australian left know their empty and meaningless lives will gutter out all too soon, the only thing that they feel will make their mortality endurable is the thought that they sabotaged with fatal treachery the culture they hated. They sincerely couldn’t give a rancid rats turd what comes next.

  162. Bruce in WA

    OK, Cary, drop the 11% “don’t knows” and what are you left with?

    Total support 49%
    Total oppose 40%

    You were saying?

  163. calli

    It’s the “vibe”, Bruce.

  164. .

    A bit late but…

    SEE THE BLUES FLY UP!

    Champagne football.

  165. Bruce in WA

    It’s the “vibe”, Bruce.

    Yeah, gotta stop with negative waves … (H/T Kelly’s Heroes)

  166. Zyconoclast

    According to Nine news, the UK police have spent £20M and have had 4 full time detectives on the case for the last 10 years looking for the Maccan toddler. Remember, the poor girl was last seen in Portugal.

    How many missing children in the UK have not been found in the last 10 years due to lack of money and not enough police officers?

  167. john constantine

    Bio-bags.

    News reports going around that new tech called bio-bags can be used to put prem babies into a womblike enviroment to continue developing and prevent the crap health outcomes that can plague premmies.

    Two things, biobags could be an alternative to abortion?.

    In a Bene Tleilaxu world, lefty wymynsys could be replaced with biobags, cloned bloke babies and Dreamborg sex robots.

  168. DrBeauGan

    49 to 40 with 11 don’t know is 55% of those with an opinion in support, Cary. This is a bigger number than the 45% against it. Try checking this on a sheet of paper if you run out of friend’s fingers.

  169. Andrew

    “Every South Australian should know that this decision is all about taking money our of your pockets and giving it to someone else,” he said.

    So we’re all in agreement then?

  170. Gab

    I can’t open the DM link, but it would be interesting to see the trend for numbers of missing children over the last 50 years and as a proportion of the population.

  171. 132andBush

    Beginning to think “Cary” has rakes somewhere in his lineage. You’re not related to monty, are you?

    More likely Grigory

  172. egg_

    lefty wymynsys could be replaced with biobags

    (Don’t tell that Wong chap).

  173. Myrddin Seren

    More likely Grigory

    More shards of that ID than Sybil.

  174. john constantine

    There are many millions of Australian wymynsys that would have no idea what yasmynys factually said, all they took on board was her ‘tone’ and her feelings.

    When men try to mansplain that yasmynys is wrong in fact, without caring about how she feels, this solidifies brand yasmynys.

    Either her, or another interchangeable yasmynys, will continue to be a brutally successful weapon for their lefty revolution.

    Ultimate eternal victory or death, comrades.

  175. jupes

    Bloody hell!

    Richmond have gone from undefeated champions to ‘sack the coach’ in one game!

  176. egg_

    Philippines Resumes Acquisition of 6 New Close Air Support Aircraft (e.g. Aero L-39 Albatros)

  177. Zyconoclast

    Gab
    I had a quick look and found this. Covers the period between 2001 – 2011.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YELQ0f6pLRFzImAnw7sFjeP5t8Yotu6dhTOTYRTH2ZU/htmlview

  178. cohenite

    john constantine

    #2367622, posted on April 30, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Their marrfilth is hellbent on the complete deconstruction of obsolete Australian society.

    In the old days, the insider that snuck around under cover of darkness and threw open the city gates so the hordes could storm and sack and rape and pillage the society that the insider despised could be promised a sack of gold and a fast horse.

    More likely, they got the pure moment of ultimate satisfaction of seeing the people they hated put to the sword and the city gutted by flames, then their throat got cut.

    Their Australian left know their empty and meaningless lives will gutter out all too soon, the only thing that they feel will make their mortality endurable is the thought that they sabotaged with fatal treachery the culture they hated. They sincerely couldn’t give a rancid rats turd what comes next.

    I think the left really belief their ineluctable superiority will insulate them against any blowback. Any cause they espouse must be good and will reflect that superiority. The muslims will worship them and adore them for their assistance and support as a lowly being should do a superior being. It is called cognitive dissonance. For the left the destruction of the West will see this inferior society which did not properly revere them be replaced by a new society where all due reverence and respect towards them is manifest.

  179. .

    If Carlton wins seven in a row, I am buying GF tickets.

  180. Cary

    49 to 40 with 11 don’t know is 55% of those with an opinion in support, Cary. This is a bigger number than the 45% against it. Try checking this on a sheet of paper if you run out of friend’s fingers.

    You’ve really got a dog in this race, eh. If you still think that numbers and stats explain human behaviour, then, I feel sorry for you.

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration, to the extent it even features on their psychological radar. Australia is a relatively and quite tolerant society, and successful in all the ways all sorts of people of varying political leanings have pointed to because of this fact and its related generalised lack of religious bigotry – which is all the anti-Muslim immigration thingy is.

    Dogs like to return to their vomit. But most of us aren’t dogs.

  181. Infidel Tiger

    #2367650, posted on April 30, 2017 at 6:50 pm
    Bloody hell!

    Richmond have gone from undefeated champions to ‘sack the coach’ in one game!

    9 points up at qtr time. 80 points down with a are to go.

    And people wonder why I drink.

    We were always pretenders but don’t lead a man on you woeful xunts.

  182. There’s not even any doubt. Never mind what this “Cary” says.
    The poll was a shock, coz banning Muslim migration is limited to a handful of redneck racist Pauline Hanson supporters.

    49% no matter how you twist it, is not just a few nutters, 49% is mainstream.
    Furthermore, the pollsters know that lotsa people are not declaring their real answer on such a hot-button issue.

    Hence the poll won’t be repeated. Neither will there ever be any hint of a plebiscite on the issue. Ever.

  183. john constantine

    In the Big Australia of the near future, any regional power that Australia may come to have opposing interests with will simply have millions of delivery systems already living inside the ‘borders’ of the country.

    Many of these delivery systems will be occupying vital infrastructure and logistics and command and control positions.

    The ability of Australia to genuinely oppose any regional power [or the caliphate] ends once millions of delivery systems with non australian loyalties have been imported into their lefts Balkanized Big australia.

    Divide and rule, while submitting to their transnational borderless Oligarchy.

  184. DrBeauGan

    Senile Old Guy
    #2367575, posted on April 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    Yasmin is a fool. The more idiotic arguments she produces on behalf of the ABC the easier it will be to shut it down.

    The problem is that no politician has the will to defund the ABC, even a little bit, so taxpayers are paying her salary; we are paying her to abuse Australia and Australians.

    SOG, the reason no politician has the will to refund the ABC is because the idea has no popular support. The main source of popular support will come from people realising that the place is infested by bigotted idiots. We may expect the ABC to assist in this gradual dawning.

  185. jupes

    If Carlton wins seven in a row, I am buying GF tickets.

    LOL

    Those clown are battling to win one in a row.

    They beat the only side yet to win a game.

  186. Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration

    This statement may not be entirely correct. As will be provied by a quick vox pop anywhere random public gatherings occur (eg, a pub, a busy main street).

  187. Leigh Lowe

    Richmond have gone from undefeated champions to ‘sack the coach’ in one game!

    Faaaark.
    15 goals down early in the last and they’ve only kicked two since quarter time.
    No-one can burst a bubble from the inside like the Tigers.

  188. Anthony

    Turnbull told to get his arse over to New York with little advance notice. Duterte invited to the White House. Not difficult to work out who is mates with whom.

  189. Roger

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration, to the extent it even features on their psychological radar. Australia is a relatively and quite tolerant society…

    Continue with mass Muslim immigration and it won’t remain so.

    Australians are waking up to this.

  190. Tel

    Anyone who pulls the old “your a racist if you have the slightest criticism of open borders” stunt has pretty much admitted they have no real argument, are not interested in ever having a real discussion, and is simply an all round Far Quit.

    When someone waves a banner “Behead all those who insult the prophet” there is a problem… I have a right to free speech, and I don’t appreciate open ended death threats in my country thank you very much. I’m tolerant to people, as long as they make an effort to fit in.

  191. jupes

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration

    Well either that or a very large percentage of Australians believe that Muslim immigration is the most important issue in Australia at the minute.

  192. DrBeauGan

    Refund, not refund. Bloody autofuckup.

  193. Cary

    for any Doubting Thomas’s, here is one of Muslim Rumi’s 100s of mind expanding poems.

    Your grief for what you’ve lost holds a mirror
    up to where you’re bravely working.
    Expecting the worst, you look and instead,
    here’s the joyful face you’ve been wanting to see.
    Your hand opens and closes and opens and closes.
    If it were always a fist or always stretched open,
    you would be paralysed.
    Your deepest presence is in every small contracting and expanding
    the two as beautifully balanced and coordinated
    as bird wings.

    Mewlana Jalaluddin Rumi

  194. Tel

    We went from “cold hard facts” to brainless name calling pretty darn quick, didn’t we?

  195. DrBeauGan

    Cary, you confuse a poem with an argument. They are different.

  196. PoliticoNT

    The discussion of defence technology is worthwhile, but it was sparked by the accusation from Piers Ackerman that RAN command was asleep at the wheel.

    Leigh – nice to see the portly one put the boot into what’s-her-name, but honestly, what the fuck would he know about Navy’s senior command? The LHD is the kind of fantastical nonsense you get when DFAT/AusAID get too many votes at decision time. Navy have had these fucking things hoisted onto them – no choice in the matter. Yes, Defence is generally shit at looking at the bigger picture and then advising on bringing on line capability that can be purchased and made ready and effective in as short as time possible.

    But the fault for these turkey’s stretches far and wide across Canberra.

  197. jupes

    for any Doubting Thomas’s, here is one of Muslim Rumi’s 100s of mind expanding poems.

    Even more poignant when you consider it was written while he was simultaneously stoning his daughter for adultery.

    Respect.

  198. .

    Cary

    Some people here have bizarre, racist beliefs. Some of them are openly white supremacist, which I find detestable. This, however, is a small minority.

    The vast majority of posters here dislike Islam not based on any racial lines, but because it has refused to reform, unlike other religions. So far it has not been able to integrate into modern society without the follower being branded an unbeliever and vulnerable to violence.

    I don’t abide by the idea but they often make good points, followers of Islam should address these criticisms and call out the lunatics in their midst.

  199. Snoopy

    Annastacia Palaszczuk is really porking up.

  200. DrBeauGan

    And it’s a crap poem too. A Muslim Patience Strong isn’t anything a sane person looks to as a buttress to a position.

  201. Gab

    Thanks, Zyconoclast. Appreciate it.

    —————————————————-

    I see Cary still not dealing with facts. Not sure if you actually comprehend the question in that poll.
    But repeating your fallacious statements will not convince people you are correct. Not on this blog in any case.

  202. 132andBush

    I have a feeling that Monty and Grigory have mated and Cary is the love child.

  203. Bruce in WA

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration, to the extent it even features on their psychological radar. Australia is a relatively and quite tolerant society, and successful in all the ways all sorts of people of varying political leanings have pointed to because of this fact and its related generalised lack of religious bigotry – which is all the anti-Muslim immigration thingy is.

    “Fact is …”? Oh, OK, so you’ve got nothing then. Right, that’s settled.

    Oh, and that “poetry”? The sort of tripe beloved of undergraduate “Arts” students. Gobbledegook.

  204. Carpe Jugulum

    “Tinkering with this system today is all about politics,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

    Give Mr Koolsunnyshades dollar for dollar what SA raises and then have hin report back

  205. Gab

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration,

    Really? How many Australians have you actually quizzed? Give me numbers. Name them.

    You do realise you don’t speak on behalf of 24million people, yeah?

  206. Tailgunner

    We all need to remember – you can’t get a FitBit on a grey nurse shark. The bands are too small!

  207. Gab

    I have a feeling that Monty and Grigory have mated and Cary is the love child.

    LOL

  208. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I have a feeling that Monty and Grigory have mated and Cary is the love child.

    Pay that one..

  209. Cary

    followers of Islam should address these criticisms and call out the lunatics in their midst.

    Well let’s think of what might be the reasons most do not, and refuse to do so. One, like most other people of religion, their religion is not that important, day to day. It’s a bit of an inconsequential pose, a lot of the time.

    And secondly, this particular religious community is under unprecedented attack. And the best form of defence? Passivity or aggression.

    We’re getting both but no prizes for why.

  210. Nick

    No-one can burst a bubble from the inside like the Tigers.

    Collingwood too Leigh.

  211. Gab

    The Essential poll Q&A:

    Q. Would you support or oppose a ban on Muslim immigration to Australia?

    Total support 49%
    Total oppose 40%

    So then our little lefty does some interpretive dance to poetry, et voila:

    Cary
    #2367594, posted on April 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    Same answer: 49% opposed.

    So a clear majority according to those polls support no restrictions on Muslim immigration.

  212. Rev. Archibald

    Is this true?
    Cary is Monty and Grigory’s butt baby?
    Has the reproductive technology advanced that far?

  213. Libby Zee

    Defund!!!

    At last. Well done. I knew you’d get there.

  214. john constantine

    What is cary’s population policy for Australia?.

    What is his population target, and where does he intend to import his millions from?.

    Does his waves of imports walk straight into Australian welfare and medicare?.

    How will he fund the infrastructure liabilities created by his non-western population surge?.

  215. Makka

    One, like most other people of religion, their religion is not that important, day to day. It’s a bit of an inconsequential pose, a lot of the time.

    And secondly, this particular religious community is under unprecedented attack. And the best form of defence? Passivity or aggression.

    It’s rare that so much stupidity can reside in one person.

  216. Nick

    If Carlton wins seven in a row, I am buying GF tickets.

    Won’t happen dot. Their skills are inept at times. I put $100 at 10 to one on them making the 8, though I’m not confident at all.

  217. Nick

    More likely Grigory

    Lippy Zee?

  218. Gab

    And secondly, this particular religious community is under unprecedented attack.

    Mmyes, lots of them get their heads chopped off, or held hostage in a cafe and killed, or are stabbed/shot leaving their places of work or a mowed down by a truck/car in the street and all to the sweet calls of “Allahu ackbar”. Yep, hear about it all the time. Unprecedented attack by Presbyterians on muslims in Australia. yeah? Another one of Cary’s facts no doubt.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    No-one can burst a bubble from the inside like the Tigers.

    Collingwood too Leigh

    Didn’t watch it.
    Did Jack Riewoldt end up with a dislocated bottom lip?

  220. 132andBush

    Only plausible explanation, Rev.

    It’s marvellous what they can do these days.

  221. Cary

    Gobbledegook.

    Yes. A chook would think so.

  222. DrBeauGan

    Poor Cary. He has feelings. And no brain to speak of.

    Look, fuckwit, I know or have known half a dozen Muslim immigrants, and they’ve been nice, good people. We’ve got along fine. But the harsh fact is they have a handful of murderous loonies in their midst and no will or no ability to control them. It is virtually impossible to tell if a given Muslim or his children are sane, decent folk or homicidal fanatics. These are the uncongenial facts.

    You can confront them or you can pretend they aren’t there. You prefer the second option which tells us you are a gutless moral squish.

  223. One, like most other people of religion, their religion is not that important, day to day.

    Lakemba Muslims being indifferent about their religion.

    By the way, Cary, you DO realise a ME Muslim would just as soon eat a cat as stroke it.

  224. Carpe Jugulum

    Yes. A chook would think so.

    I for one welcome my Gallus Gallus Overlords.

  225. Bruce of Newcastle

    Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi

    Interesting guy. Looks to’ve been a Sunni who became a Sufi, having fled Afghanistan as it was being invaded. Rinse and repeat throughout history. In his case he was outa there as the Mongols came in, which is a very reasonable thing to’ve done.

    These days Sunnis regard Sufis with extreme prejudice, especially in places like Pakistan. Indeed the main strands of Islam don’t regard them as muslim at all, but as apostates. (A Sufi predecessor of Rumi’s was executed for example.)

    I’ve said before that muslim migration to the West should cease completely except for those muslims who apostatize (which has led to a death sentence for one guy in Saudi last week). I’ve also said that Sufis and Ahmadis are reasonably OK. I stand by that position, although any who revert should be instantly deported back to MENA. Also kids who discover the Quran in the usual way. Which of course is the biggest problem.

  226. Cary

    What is cary’s population policy for Australia?.

    Good question. Off the top of my head and viscerally: nation states are soooooo 19th century.

    The incessant, irrepressible, mass movements of people is an historic fact and inevitability. The unrealisable and unethical goal of fixed geo-tribal entities on planet Earth is stupid, and shows a preference for tyranny rather than liberty.

    Think deeper.

  227. Geriatric Mayfly

    That pome up there doesn’t scan. Maybe Rumi attended to this in the lingo he wrote it in.

  228. egg_

    Fact is that the overwhelming majority of Australians don’t give a toss about Muslim immigration, to the extent it even features on their psychological radar. Australia is a relatively and quite tolerant society…

    Gotta be trolling – they shot a cop (IT staff) near NSW Police HQ in Parramatta – as good as the beheading of the Fusilier in London.

  229. Roger

    Conservatives shouldn’t be demanding the sacking of this very silly young woman from Islamic Central Casting.

    Val, I think Nichols has grabbed the wrong end of the stick.

    Nobody that I know of is questioning YAM’s right to free speech or seeking to 18c her.

    The fundamental objection is that she is using her ABC funded celebrity as a platform to subvert Australian cultural identity. Given that the prime task of the ABC according to its charter is to “contribute to a sense of national identity”, a duty they rightly seek to fulfill by covering ANZAC day commemorations in a respectful way, her employment by the corporation is highly questionable.

  230. John constantine

    If the mass movement of people removes borders, what preserves welfare payments?.

  231. Makka

    The incessant, irrepressible, mass movements of people is an historic fact and inevitability.
    “The unrealisable and unethical goal of fixed geo-tribal entities on planet Earth is stupid, and shows a preference for tyranny rather than liberty.”

    Yep, Cary’s another one of dotty’s open border lunatics.

  232. Roger

    Off the top of my head and viscerally: nation states are soooooo 19th century.

    Rather, Marxism is soooo 19th C..

  233. egg_

    Refund, not refund.

    /Da Craw

  234. Tel

    Gotta be trolling – they shot a cop (IT staff) near NSW Police HQ in Parramatta – as good as the beheading of the Fusilier in London.

    Well it was one thing that got the NSW Police off their backsides in a hurry and thus several steps ahead of the Vic Pol.

  235. What is cary’s population policy for Australia?.

    Replace humans with cats.
    And hope the Muslims don’t eat them.

  236. Nick

    What’s the go with the Imam who was on Outsiders today ? Is he looking at being the Abdel-Magied for conservatives? That is, the kind of conservative-Australia, friendly Muslim?

  237. egg_

    Annastacia Palaszczuk is really porking up.

    Her jacket buttons seem to have the same stress loading as Malcolm Farr’s shirt buttons.

  238. Libby Zee

    memoryvault, Muslims don’t eat cats.

  239. Cary

    memoryvault, I could show a similar picture of Chinese people doing tai chi or qigong en masse in Melbourne parks.

    Your point?

  240. Leigh Lowe

    Annastacia Palaszczuk is really porking up.

    Gonna need a bigger pony.
    I am getting visions of Hoss Cartwright on his long-suffering pony.

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