Wednesday Forum: May 17, 2017

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2,158 Responses to Wednesday Forum: May 17, 2017

  1. Roger

    They can’t be stupid enough to support him all the way to a Cambodian style armageddon, surely?

    If you have to ask the question, I think you already have the answer: it’s a definite possibility.

  2. incoherent rambler

    …be excused from mailing cheques to the Deputy Commissioner of Taxation until this whole stinking mess is cleared up?

    Excellent suggestion.

    Monies collected over the last decade should also be returned.

  3. Fat Tony

    monty
    Yeah Tony, something like that might be going on. Hopefully without the death thing.

    The death thing only happens if you don’t get to a hospital to get it removed.

  4. TE;

    The devout Christian said people such as him were fed up with moral stands taken by business leaders.

    Here’s the problem.
    It’s not a moral stand.
    It’s a marketing ploy.

  5. johanna

    Yep.
    However, women don’t scream as loudly.
    My anecdotal research says that kidney stones are an equal opportunity affliction.

    OK, thanks. I’ve known a few blokes who got them, but never a woman. Wondered if plumbing differences might be a factor. After all, as they age, women tend to wee when they don’t want to, and men tend to not be able to wee when they want to.

    Anyway, if that’s what Monty has, as someone above mentioned, a lot of them can just be blasted into smithereens these days without surgery. Modern medicine is a wonderful thing.

  6. Snoopy

    The death thing only happens if you don’t get to a hospital to get it removed.

    A good mate of mine went to hospital to have some skin cancers removed. Not melanomas. Caught some nasty hospital bug. Dead in less than a week.

  7. H B Bear

    BTW, does anyone know if women ever get them?
    Yes, women do get them.

    I’m sure you’ll be fine Groooogs. Transition going that well huh? #onlywomenbleed

  8. Stimpson J. Cat

    Dead in less than a week.

    You guys would make incredibly depressing nurses.
    Grigsie would have a better bedside manner than you lot role-playing as a Grey Nurse.

  9. val majkus

    About those illegal aliens:

    One of the criticisms of President Trump’s new immigration policy was that the U.S. can’t deport illegals if their original countries won’t take them back.

    After several months of negotiations, the Department of Homeland Security has successfully reduced the list of countries who refused U.S. deportees from 20 to 12.

    Washington Times:

    Between cajoling, threats and actual punishments, Homeland Security has managed to drastically cut the number of countries that habitually refuse to take back immigrants whom the U.S. is trying to deport, officials said Tuesday, notching an early immigration success for President Trump.

    The number of recalcitrant countries has dropped from 20 to 12 over the months since the presidential election, and some longtime offenders – including Iraq and Somalia – have earned their way off the naughty list. The list of countries is the shortest this decade.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials couldn’t immediately say how many people have been deported because of the changes, but Somalia has taken back 259 just seven months into the fiscal year. That is far more than the 198 it took back in all of 2016 and the 17 it took in 2015.

    Marlen Pineiro, assistant director for removal operations at ICE, said the efforts began under the Obama administration but that Mr. Trump has created a determined focus at the Homeland Security and State departments, which are both involved in speeding up deportations….

  10. val majkus

    about that memo:

    Mr. Smartypants may have outsmarted himself. James Comey has painted himself into a corner by indirectly leaking a memorandum to the New York Times (a person who read the memorandum shared excerpts from it to reporter Michael Schmitt) and may even have placed himself in legal jeopardy. Gregg Jarrett of Fox News, a former defense attorney, explains:

    Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

    So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

    Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent. Thus, no crime.

    There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

    Comey’s memo is being treated as a “smoking gun” only because the media and Democrats, likely prompted by Comey himself, are now peddling it that way.

    Comey will almost certainly be testifying before Congress in public. There will be ample time to subpoena his memo and question him on his professional obligations under the law to report anything that he interpreted as obstruction of justice. If he alleges criminality on the part of President Trump, he implicates himself. I detect no signs of self-sacrifice in this veteran political appointee.

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    One of the criticisms of President Trump’s new immigration policy was that the U.S. can’t deport illegals if their original countries won’t take them back.

    They have to go back.

  12. thefrolickingmole

    Ladies get kidney stones, we had one here a few months back.
    Lots of pain killers then RFDSed out, pissing blood after the stone ripped the uterer a bit.
    Once its in the bladder its only gone 1/2 way.

    Monty, be a man and go home and give birth to your penis babby, youve only experienced 1/2 the pain so far, the journey from the bladder to the tip is excruciating as well…

    (with luck they will break it up or you will stay on bulk painkillers till its gone)

  13. A good mate of mine went to hospital to have some skin cancers removed. Not melanomas. Caught some nasty hospital bug. Dead in less than a week.

    I gave the nurse strict instructions to hold the golden staph.

  14. notafan

    Cheers Stimpy

    So the bloke in need of a shave who said all Austrian women should wear a headscarf did this

    for a leftie he is a shocking genderist

    He should be the first to don a headscarf, yes all Austrians should show their modesty and scarf up.

    Show some leadership man,

    His government banned the full-face veil in public spaces in January, as part of an attempt to counter the rise of the far-right Freedom Party.

  15. So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ?

    Mmyes, maybe he should have sent a memo.

  16. Libby Zee
    #2382805, posted on May 18, 2017 at 9:56 am
    Memoranda such as Comeys are common practice and are relied upon in courts as credible records of conversations.

    Good. It can be used as evidence when Comey is prosecuted for failure to report Trump’s “obstruction of Justice”.

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    Deadwood – Al passes kidney stones

    In this day and age of euphemisms, I guess that gruesome treatment would be call ‘A Procedure.’

  18. JC

    You”re even less coherent than normal, USSR.

  19. val majkus

    Memoranda such as Comeys are common practice and are relied upon in courts as credible records of conversations.

    wouldn’t entirely agree with that; think a memo like Comeys would be regarded as hearsay in which case the maker of the memo has to be available to give evidence so as to get the memo admitted as evidence and then it comes down to whether it’s a prior consistent or inconsistent statement by the maker. Neither really adds to its credibility IMHO

  20. Fat Tony

    johanna
    #2382836, posted on May 18, 2017 at 10:26 am

    There may be a predisposition to kidney stones. A rellie had them several times, from his late 30s onward. Reckoned it was excruciatingly painful. BTW, does anyone know if women ever get them? It seems to be mainly a male thing.

    My sister gets kidney stones, my father got kidney stones and I get kidney stones.

    Mine have always been from my left kidney.

  21. calli

    Everyone knows I am m0nty.

    Sheesh.

  22. notafan

    Apparently there shall be no jocularity at the Cat but we should all watch hour and half long monologues by whoever is flavour of the month.

    Stimpy humour rocks!

  23. Sparkx

    And it isn’t just the renewballs sending electricity bills sky high. I have just been out on a job and passed a number of crews replacing poles along a major country road. There were more than twice the number of blokes on the ground, standing around and looking up, as there were up in the buckets actually working. Oh, and plus the obligatory traffic controllers.

  24. calli

    Lol. This Liberty Quote just came up:

    The Cat is colourful, prolific, often very funny and actually (given the laissez faire mod policy) one of the few places where comment threads regularly offer a diversity of perspectives – though you’d wonder at the possibility of masochistic tendencies in some of the lefty regulars.

    — Geoff Honnor

    We’ve even given him kidney stones.

  25. Tailgunner

    STATEMENT FROM PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP:
    As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know – there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity. I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country.

    4D chess comfirmed!

  26. Stimpson J. Cat

    Too often to be ignored as coincidence –

    You muppet srr.
    Take a break and come back refreshed.
    I’ve been where you are heading and it is not fun.
    Also an apology please.

  27. johanna

    Been watching my favourite real estate buying reality shows.

    The lack of gorm of some of these prospective purchasers (mainly Americans) is fascinating. Lots of them give the casting vote to their pet dog. Many refuse to consider a house that doesn’t suit their current furniture (speaking as someone who had to junk the bed and a couple of wardrobes to move in here.) They seem to have the planning skills of goldfish.

    A lot of them simply can’t live with anything but granite countertops and wooden floors, even for a while. Not acceptable, say the bossy harpies who mainly seem to be in charge. I forsee in 20 years that buyers will roll their eyes and say “oh no, not more granite countertops and wood floors. It looks so dated.”

    You have to wonder how much this applies to our current generation of young whingers who complain that they can’t possibly get into the property market.

  28. Tailgunner

    As we all know, a political leader never opens an investigation/RC without knowing the outcome.
    Mueller will find no collusion between Trump&Wussians, the Left will be left with nothing but the world’s biggest rake print on their foreheads.
    Crank up the Bangladeshis again for the Hotline,JC!

  29. calli

    Also an apology please.

    Hell will freeze over first.

    The women here have been called cows, child molestation enablers, children of the Father of Lies, c***s (fully spelled with spaces to sneak past the filter), had our professional integrity questioned and our faith smeared.

    But the worst, most horriblest by a country mile is to be called “sooky”.

    It stings. Bad.

  30. Snoopy

    I look forward to this matter concluding quickly.

    Oh no! Trump demands rushed investigation.

  31. feelthebern

    Monty should have gone to a vet.
    Would have gotten better, quicker service.

  32. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ll leave this decision up to you srr.
    If you want me to take a break from the site for a week or so let me know.
    Your health is more important than my attempts at humour.
    I’m happy for you to post your theories about me all day long.
    But I would rather not be here to encourage it or listen to it or feed it.
    Your choice, no stress either way.
    Asking as a friend.

  33. The Oz infers that the NDIS cost blowout was due to two mistakes by Gillard.
    I disagree. In her Fabian roots she knew the NDIS had the potential to destroy the budget, any government, and Australians.

    We need a modern Harvester-like judgement to identify the minimum health care needs that taxpayers should shoulder, and let the insurance market (or Australian generosity/charity) look after the rest.

  34. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.
    #2382782, posted on May 18, 2017 at 9:38 am
    Comedy states this under oath on May 3rd:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/864929894035202048/photo/1

    LOL. What a dim bulb.

    Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey Chameleon.

  35. Nick

    Comey will almost certainly be testifying before Congress in public. There will be ample time to subpoena his memo and question him on his professional obligations under the law to report anything that he interpreted as obstruction of justice. If he alleges criminality on the part of President Trump, he implicates himself. I detect no signs of self-sacrifice in this veteran political appointee.

    Do we add to this his previous alleged statement under oath that nothing had happened that he should report?

  36. johanna

    Amazing how the MSM and the usual suspects are getting frothed up about an alleged memo that nobody has ever laid eyes on.

    The standard of proof is remarkably variable around the political traps, n’cest pa?

  37. Snoopy

    Sometimes the obvious is right under your nose.

    Stimpson J. Cat = Cat SJ

    Mmm

  38. Fat Tony

    feelthebern
    #2382918, posted on May 18, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Monty should have gone to a vet.
    Would have gotten better, quicker service.

    Probably should have.
    I had a 9 mm stone about 8 years ago.
    Wound up in emergency department at local hospital – and was sent to Brisbane Mater for operation.

    First full anesthetic op – they put in a stent and said take some drugs to try & dissolve it.
    Stent got coated in crystals and I was pissing what looked like cranberry/prune juice after about 2 weeks.

    Second full anesthetic op – took out stent but couldn’t find the stone & sent me home.

    Third full anesthetic op – about 2 days later when the stone they couldn’t find magically re-appeared and sent me back to the emergency ward.

    Final removal of stent was by local anesthetic – and it felt like they were pulling a length of barbed wire out from my kidney.

    Moral of the story – insist they remove the stone the first time they operate.

  39. Fat Tony

    Snoopy
    #2382933, posted on May 18, 2017 at 11:51 am

    Sometimes the obvious is right under your nose.

    Stimpson J. Cat = Cat SJ

    Mmm

    OMG – Stimpy’s a Jesuit!!
    Aren’t they bad guys?

  40. JC

    johanna
    #2382932, posted on May 18, 2017 at 11:51 am

    Amazing how the MSM and the usual suspects are getting frothed up about an alleged memo that nobody has ever laid eyes on.

    The standard of proof is remarkably variable around the political traps, n’cest pa?

    This comes from the person who tells everyone… no, in fact boasts… about her politcal acumen.

    Justice has appointed a special counsel, you dumb bell. This means the investigation could end up anywhere. Moreover, it freezes up Trump’s ability to enact his major reforms while this is going on. It stops Washington dead.

    STFU and worry about the bird life in the backyard.

  41. notafan

    Well said Calli

    Tomix got booted for his misogyny towards Kae, nqr attacks all the women here at will and gets a pass, presumably because gender fluid.

  42. JC

    Gunner

    The D’rats are praising the Mueller appointment. That should give you pause right there. Mueller is also a Bush family flunky and has seamlessly served GOP / D’rats administrations.

    Nothing good is going to come out of this appointment. I don’t know how the fucking GOP allowed this to happen. I thought they would have learned their lesson after the Plame bullshit. That investigation found no wrong doing but Scooter Libby ended up with an indictment incidental to the original inquiry. This sort of shit could end up anywhere.

  43. Libby Zee

    OMG – Stimpy’s a Jesuit!!

    No, just a pretend madman. He dropped the pretence in his 11.44 am comment.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mueller will find no collusion between Trump&Wussians, the Left will be left with nothing but the world’s biggest rake print on their foreheads.

    Wouldn’t it be fun if Mueller stumbles across a vast conspiracy by a certain very senior (now ex) politician to bug the Trump campaign and pretty much every other Republican in the running for Prez?

    It’d be highly popcornworthy.

  45. notafan

    So people with mental health issues have to be unlucid all the time.

    Okay, good to see we have a mental health specialist at the cat.

  46. struth

    Just to let you know there is someone is commenting called “truth”.
    Seems like a moron Abbbott man, so please don’t confuse any future rants with my comments.

  47. JC

    Bruce

    Mueller is inside the swamp that Trump was supposed to clean out. In fact Mueller is at the bottom of the swamp.

    Mueller is also rumored to be appointing a former Watergate investigator as part of his senior team. I wouldn’t be that optimistic.

  48. C.L.

    Fatty Ashton: Yeah, we’ll let you know about Pell in “a few weeks.”

  49. JC

    This is the problem… It doesn’t matter if a person is guilty or innocent of wrongdoing. Mueller puts up potential indictments and the image created in peoples’ minds is one of guilt even if the person isn’t convicted later on.

  50. C.L.

    The voice of Peppa Pig has a black belt.
    Accomplished young lady.

  51. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Mueller is also rumored to be appointing a former Watergate investigator as part of his senior team. I wouldn’t be that optimistic.

    Mueller and Comey are very close.

    Not good.

    The Swamp Creatures are out destroy DJT.

  52. Empire

    Commissioner Ashton said although there was no formal agreement with the Vatican City, Australia did have an extradition arrangement with Italy.

    What exactly is Ashton suggesting here? Do Vicpol intent to send an ORU to Rome to nab the Cardinal as soon as he crosses the VC border?

    What a clown. Either he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about or he’s about to get a call from DFAT telling him to stick to speeding tickets and mardi gras floats.

  53. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    As Ace explains:

    Former FBI Director Robert Mueller Appointed Special Counsel To Oversee Investigation Into Russian Interference and Alleged Trump “Collusion”
    —Ace

    Wonderful.

    Special counsels never shut down.

    Unless the special counsel were hypotheticlally named James Comey, investigating the Clintons.

    He was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, who is making the call, because the media/Democrat campaign forced AG Sessions into recusing himself from all aspects of this case.

    Quote from Rosenstein: “In my capacity as acting attorney general [at least in this matter, where Sessions has recused himself], I determined that this is in the public interest for me to exercise my authority to appoint a special counsel to assume responsibility for this matter. My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted.”

    They’ve engineered this coup well.

  54. Someone jokingly inferred this morning that the ATO head honcho was in cahoots with his payroll fraud son.
    Now The Oz is reporting that
    “…we are alleging he accessed information from the ATO systems for his son.”
    Deputy Commissioner Close said the AFP do not currently believe Michael Cranston was part of the alleged fraud conspiracy or Had “any knowledge of the conspiracy” when he was accessing information for Adam Cranston.

    In what is turning out to be a family affair, Adam Cranston’s 24-year-old sister has also been charged.
    Not a bad little earner while it lasted. $100 million.

  55. duncanm

    Trudeau providing that clear honesty he promised. .. and you thought our politicians were bad!

  56. notafan

    The US msm hysteria over Trump and the Russians is unbelievable.

    There was anger in the media because the intel community did not take sufficient notice of Russian warnings about the Boston bombers but now intel sharing about islamic terrorism is a crime against humanity.

    The msm and the Dems are the new Stalinists

    In crowd one day out crowd the next

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    No, just a pretend madman. He dropped the pretence in his 11.44 am comment.

    Wake me up before you go-go
    Don’t leave me hanging on like a yo-yo
    Wake me up before you go-go
    I don’t want to miss it when you hit that high.

  58. johanna

    Poor old JC, can’t hold back the bile and hatred and lies for more than a day or two.

    When and where did I “boast” about my political acumen? Quote my words or shut it, you chronic and vindictive liar.

    In any event, your comment did not address mine, which is that nobody has ever laid eyes on this alleged “smoking gun,” let alone proved its veracity.

    What a sad little man you are.

  59. C.L.

    What exactly is Ashton suggesting here? Do Vicpol intent to send an ORU to Rome to nab the Cardinal as soon as he crosses the VC border?

    Scene from The Scarlett and The Black:

  60. Baldrick

    Libby Zee
    #2382948, posted on May 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm
    No, just a pretend madman.

    Liberty Quote :
    Better a pretend madman than a pretend madam.

  61. notafan

    If Michael Cranston accessed info he is gone gone gone

    And so he should be, and he should go to gaol for it too.

    no excuses for such a senior officer

    He must have known his son was involved in an elaborate tax ponzie scheme to make so much money so quickly.

    But Australian taxpayer’s weren’t robbed, the government does that.

  62. Mother Lode

    Oh no! Trump demands rushed investigation.

    The MSM will soon be reporting that Trump has ruled out rigging the investigation to guarantee a impeachment: What has he got to hide.

    And Lucy Cincinnatus will write a post with his head in his hands that Trump is finally proved himself unfit for office. After all, the MSM said so.

  63. Lots of new threads going up this morning here on the cat. Are they trying to bury the unfortunate Lucius’s post on Trump?

  64. duncanm

    with this whole ATO tax fraud — the figure of tax avoided is $165M.

    I haven’t seen anywhere a list of companies that use Cranston’s services. That’s a pretty big wage bill to be siphoning around. They note that not all tax was avoided, so its got to be somewhere north of $0.5B of wages, probably more like $0.75B. At the very minimum 10k employees ? . Must be a few fair sized companies involved, or an extraordinarily wide net of smaller companies.

  65. struth

    The jury’s out on the new Truth’s comment.

    Still don’t know who he is quite addressing his attack to.

  66. Nick

    Liberty Quote :
    Better a pretend madman than a pretend madam.

    I spat my lunch at the screen at that lol.

    Its like Nota’s pint, rephrased, ‘he’s a mental, health professional’.

  67. Duncanm, that lying, evasive, dissembling, repetitive Prime Minister must be hiding a huge scandal.
    Even his own party looked progressively dispirited at he continued to refuse to answer one simple question.

  68. Geriatric Mayfly

    Yesterday, lawyer Vivian Waller said the process could be complicated by the fact Australia does not have an extradition treaty with the Vatican City, where Cardinal Pell is based.

    Now there’s a grossly overfed Sapphic Sister, obsessed with sexual indiscretions, if ever there was one.

  69. Nick

    Lots of new threads going up this morning here on the cat. Are they trying to bury the unfortunate Lucius’s post on Trump?

    Seriously, what does he add to this site that the Open Forum doesn’t say?

  70. Des Deskperson

    “If Michael Cranston accessed info he is gone gone gone”

    If you go to ‘search’ on the ATO website, Cranston comes up as ‘Deputy Commissioner PGH’ which I understand to mean ‘Private Groups and High Wealth Individuals’ Division. I assume it’s a FAS equivalent.

    However, his name appears already to have been removed from the ATO Org chart.

  71. notafan

    That suggests that it is PAYG remittances were being syphoned off on the basis that the ATO has systemic weaknesses in its account reconciliations areas?

    I assumed it was the usual round robin/bottom of the harbour arrangement.

    That wouldmake it straight out fraud rather than “tax avoidance’.

    I saw that two ATO employees have been stood down without pay.

    Internal collusion and insider knowledge of system weaknesses.

    Interesting; and a very bad look for Chris Jordan.

  72. Stimpson J. Cat

    It can be hard dealing with mental illness.
    Sometimes it can seem overwhelming.
    It’s important to remember, at those times when things get tough, that things could be much worse.
    I find that considering the plights of others can help get me back on track, and into a position where I can help those less fortunate.
    For example, your entire reason for existence could be a woman named Lizzie on an economics site frequented by the mentally ill.

    Just imagine it.

    😁

  73. Fat Tony

    struth
    #2382984, posted on May 18, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    The jury’s out on the new Truth’s comment.

    Still don’t know who he is quite addressing his attack to.

    Methinks you doth protesteth too much……

    How can we be sure you’re not doing a Septimus/Gargooley/Libby Zee or what ever?

  74. Zyconoclast

    Westie woman
    #2382588, posted on May 18, 2017 at 1:36 am
    Just lurking as usual but I need to rant a little bit. ..

    I am bloody sick to death of the following words

    Diversity ( sending me nuts right now)

    Sustainability

    Eco (add any word)

    Fairness

    Equality

    These words are now meaningless to me and have been removed from my vocabulary

    You forgot
    – inclusive
    – welcome to country

  75. incoherent rambler

    Mr Turnbull simply said … the government was “ever vigilant” about possible issues of corruption and abuse of office.

    Really?

  76. Mark A

    Nick
    #2382992, posted on May 18, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    Lots of new threads going up this morning here on the cat. Are they trying to bury the unfortunate Lucius’s post on Trump?

    Seriously, what does he add to this site that the Open Forum doesn’t say?

    As someone mentioned, he must have some dirt on the Doomlord, can’t imagine how?
    Such a clean living man an all.

  77. incoherent rambler

    AFP officers seized at least $15m in cash, luxury and vintage cars, residential properties, guns, 2 aircraft, jewellery, artwork and vintage wines across the raids, which aided the syndicate member’s lavish lifestyles.

    Does anyone else think $15m in cash is a significant amount for the biscuit jar?

  78. calli

    Uh oh. Nota agreed with me.

    I am not currently, or have ever been, Nota.

    Just thought I’d clear that up.

    😃

  79. johanna

    Sounds like Cranston is another one of those narcissistic parents who can’t say no to the fruit of his loins. There are plenty of them about.

    That said, how someone with the judgement of a newt assigned to a Special School for intellectually challenged amphibians got to that level is a worry.

  80. calli

    May I add “inappropriate” to the list?

    On LCQ, I’m thinking compromising mankini shot.

  81. Tintarella di Luna

    I am sure you will all be rushing to get your copy booked of Ms Gillian Triggs’ autobiography. The Mocker at the Oz has given a run down of what to expect.

    But I’ve no doubt Triggs’s garden produces the most beautiful roses.

    particularly if fertilised by the shredded pages of her autobiography.

    The Mocker
    What next for Gillian Triggs, the outgoing president of the Australian Human Rights Commission?

    Penning her memoirs, by the looks of it. In December 2016 the chief executive of Melbourne University Publishing, Louise Adler, confirmed she had discussed this with Triggs.

    “I hope that we are able to persuade her on her rich and ­varied career,” Adler said. A speech given by Triggs last week at Melbourne Town Hall sets the tone for what we can expect in this book.

    “I am coming to the view that they have been able to say things about me, and attack me, in a way that never would have happened to a man. And I am sorry to say that, but it’s true,’’ said Triggs, standing in the venue where the great Dame Nellie Melba, one of Australia’s most famous divas, had once performed.

    Objective introspection was never Triggs’s strongest trait, and presumably any autobiography would be a combination of self-promotion and tales of her battles, whether real or imagined, against her detractors. Still, she’s entitled to earn a quid to supplement her meagre pension, and she’ll be feted by many an inner-city book shop where hushed audiences will hear of her suffering.

    Enjoyable as writing about herself would be, Triggs could save herself much time and effort by using the template of a kindred spirit, former Victoria Police chief commissioner Christine Nixon. Her ironically-titled ‘Fair Cop’, released in 2011, was, wrote then Melbourne-based The Australian Associate Editor Cameron Stewart, “an extraordinary and unseemly spray even by the self-serving standards of many autobiographies.”

    Like Triggs, Nixon was something of a media darling because of her enthusiasm for progressive causes, particularly in effecting so-called culture change in Victoria Police. Her reputation was damaged in 2008, when it was revealed she had breached the force’s gift policy by accepting an all-expenses paid international junket worth tens of thousands of dollars. Despite clear evidence that Qantas had sent the invitation to her in the first instance, Nixon had disingenuously claimed that the offer was made to her husband, a former airline executive.

    Nixon cemented this reputation for evasiveness during the Royal Commission into the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires. Asked about her reasons for leaving the emergency management centre as the disaster intensified, Nixon did not disclose she had dined with friends that evening at an upmarket pub. Recalled to give evidence after her engagement became known, a highly agitated and defensive Nixon denied accusations she had intentionally misled the commission.

    Sound familiar? Let’s begin with abrogation of responsibility. At the time of Triggs’s appointment in July 2012, Labor was in government and there were nearly 2000 children in immigration detention. The AHRC’s inquiry into the welfare of those children did not begin until 18 months later – after the election of the Abbott Government. As with Nixon, Triggs’s credibility was lost when asked to account for her non-action. No, she told a Senate committee when asked to explain the delay, she’d never discussed such an inquiry with government ministers while Labor was in power. Yes, she later admitted, she’d actually spoken with two Labor immigration ministers.

    As with Nixon, who even publicly criticised her own lawyers, Triggs blamed others for her woeful performance in giving evidence. Her interview with journalist Ramona Koval of The Saturday Paper in April 2016 was audacious and pompous in the extreme. “One can be astonished at the very simplistic level at which I need to speak’’, declared a haughty Triggs, “Our parliamentarians are usually seriously ill-informed and uneducated.’’ Later challenged about these remarks, she misled the Senate committee by claiming that quotations attributed to her were “inaccurate’’ and “taken out of context’’. Tellingly, the paper’s sympathetic portrayal of Triggs did not stop her from turning on the journalist and sub-editor concerned. Only upon learning the paper had an audio recording of the interview did Triggs “clarify” that the article was accurate.

    Nixon, in her autobiography (launched by then Prime Minister Julia Gillard), made only the briefest acknowledgment of what she termed her “mistakes’’. That was as far she got with self-reflection. The rest was largely a denunciation of those she believed had wronged her – the media, male chauvinists, the royal commission itself, and even “fattists’’.

    Whether Triggs’s autobiography will surpass Nixon’s in terms of high dudgeon distractions, we don’t yet know. But, as demonstrated by her allusion to misogyny as the basis of criticism against her, she is not above self-pity or composing a paean in her honour.

    “Perhaps it’s an important characteristic of a truth-teller to be somewhat older and not looking for advancement or preferment”, declared Triggs in November 2016.

    “When my term is up and I’m digging in my garden, hopefully smelling a rose or two, I couldn’t live with any failure on my part to raise the critical human rights of the day.”

    Apart from critical human rights such as freedom of speech, natural justice, and protesting against racial segregation that is, as seven former students at Queensland’s University of Technology discovered to their detriment.

    Truth-teller indeed. But I’ve no doubt Triggs’s garden produces the most beautiful roses.

  82. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    Nice piece in the Oz slapping Trigglypuff……….full article…..

    Like Triggs, Nixon was something of a media darling because of her enthusiasm for progressive causes, particularly in effecting so-called culture change in Victoria Police. Her reputation was damaged in 2008, when it was revealed she had breached the force’s gift policy by accepting an all-expenses paid international junket worth tens of thousands of dollars. Despite clear evidence that Qantas had sent the invitation to her in the first instance, Nixon had disingenuously claimed that the offer was made to her husband, a former airline executive.

    Nixon cemented this reputation for evasiveness during the Royal Commission into the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires. Asked about her reasons for leaving the emergency management centre as the disaster intensified, Nixon did not disclose she had dined with friends that evening at an upmarket pub. Recalled to give evidence after her engagement became known, a highly agitated and defensive Nixon denied accusations she had intentionally misled the commission.

    Sound familiar? Let’s begin with abrogation of responsibility. At the time of Triggs’s appointment in July 2012, Labor was in government and there were nearly 2000 children in immigration detention. The AHRC’s inquiry into the welfare of those children did not begin until 18 months later – after the election of the Abbott Government. As with Nixon, Triggs’s credibility was lost when asked to account for her non-action. No, she told a Senate committee when asked to explain the delay, she’d never discussed such an inquiry with government ministers while Labor was in power. Yes, she later admitted, she’d actually spoken with two Labor immigration ministers.

    As with Nixon, who even publicly criticised her own lawyers, Triggs blamed others for her woeful performance in giving evidence. Her interview with journalist Ramona Koval of The Saturday Paper in April 2016 was audacious and pompous in the extreme. “One can be astonished at the very simplistic level at which I need to speak’’, declared a haughty Triggs, “Our parliamentarians are usually seriously ill-informed and uneducated.’’ Later challenged about these remarks, she misled the Senate committee by claiming that quotations attributed to her were “inaccurate’’ and “taken out of context’’. Tellingly, the paper’s sympathetic portrayal of Triggs did not stop her from turning on the journalist and sub-editor concerned. Only upon learning the paper had an audio recording of the interview did Triggs “clarify” that the article was accurate.

    Nixon, in her autobiography (launched by then Prime Minister Julia Gillard), made only the briefest acknowledgment of what she termed her “mistakes’’. That was as far she got with self-reflection. The rest was largely a denunciation of those she believed had wronged her – the media, male chauvinists, the royal commission itself, and even “fattists’’.

    Whether Triggs’s autobiography will surpass Nixon’s in terms of high dudgeon distractions, we don’t yet know. But, as demonstrated by her allusion to misogyny as the basis of criticism against her, she is not above self-pity or composing a paean in her honour.

    “Perhaps it’s an important characteristic of a truth-teller to be somewhat older and not looking for advancement or preferment”, declared Triggs in November 2016.

    “When my term is up and I’m digging in my garden, hopefully smelling a rose or two, I couldn’t live with any failure on my part to raise the critical human rights of the day.”

    Apart from critical human rights such as freedom of speech, natural justice, and protesting against racial segregation that is, as seven former students at Queensland’s University of Technology discovered to their detriment.

    Truth-teller indeed. But I’ve no doubt Triggs’s garden produces the most beautiful roses.

  83. Tintarella di Luna

    You forgot
    – inclusive
    – welcome to country

    and yuman rites

  84. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    Tinty snapped me!

  85. Philippa Martyr

    What exactly is Ashton suggesting here? Do Vicpol intent to send an ORU to Rome to nab the Cardinal as soon as he crosses the VC border?

    Scene from The Scarlett and The Black:

    I love that fillum.

    Poor Pell. CL, are you in fact Cardinal Pell, as previously suspected? You can tell us. We won’t reveal your secret hideout.

  86. incoherent rambler

    From the Daily Telegraph:

    UPDATE: Michael Cranston, the deputy commissioner of the Australia Taxation office, has been charged with abusing his position as a public official.

    Acting Commissioner of Taxation Andrew Mills told reporters in Sydney today Mr Cranston had “up until this point … held an illustrious career”.

    Police will allege, Mr Cranston, 58, who will appear in a Sydney court on June 13, was asked by his son to access “some information”.

    Mr Mills tried to reassure taxpayers its systems hadn’t been compromised, after launching an internal investigation into a “small number of employees”.

    “The people being investigated have been suspended without pay,” he told reporters.

    The employees reportedly tried to access ATO information at the behest of Mr Cranston.

  87. Top Ender

    North Korea Lotto

    Date of Korean warfare commencement (any two or more state actors)

    Winston Smith: December 2017
    Top Ender: June-July 2017

    Initial type of engagement

    Winston Smith: Biological –bird flu variant. Nuclear –three weapons in containers/suicide subs in Seoul, Pusan, and middle of US Carrier Group.

    Myrddin Seren: desperate punishment or last resort gambit by ‘I So Ronery Jr‘.
    Massive artillery and rocket bombardment against Seoul and Inchon.
    Tunnels exits blow open and NoKo assault troops pour South while commando units deploy.

    Top Ender: Pre-emptive strike by US/SK forces via air units and precision targeting

    Duration

    Winston Smith: Three months.

    Myrddin Seren: cannot see the next Korean War lasting as long as the First Korean War

    Top Ender: three weeks

    Outcome

    Winston Smith: Korea reunified as Chinese Protectorate; Japan rearms as a nuclear power; US loses major part of Pacific Fleet; Total Civilian Casualties – >20 million.

    Myrddin Seren: in roll the cruise missiles and B-1s and the SoKo and US military pour it on. Probably exhaust the NoKo artillery stocks in short order and very doubtful China would pull their fat out of the fire this time.

    Top Ender: Incompetent defence by North Korea: tanks wiped out; arty fairly useless; subs and aircraft shot down without mercy; attempt to deliver nuke to SK fails; NK leadership slaughtered by own side; SK rolls over to declare elections etc; UN asks everyone to donate a billion to help out.

    Current prize: ride in a B-52 currently in a museum in Darwin; perhaps with engines running on a mission north.

  88. Zyconoclast

    I gave the nurse strict instructions to hold the golden staph.

    I always insist the nurse holds my golden staff.
    (Only for the relief of anxiety. Works every time)

  89. calli

    “I am coming to the view that they have been able to say things about me, and attack me, in a way that never would have happened to a man. And I am sorry to say that, but it’s true,’’ said Triggs, standing in the venue where the great Dame Nellie Melba, one of Australia’s most famous divas, had once performed.

    LOL.

    Attack Equalidy Now!

  90. duncanm

    Seems like they assumed that each fraud event (many secondary companies) was below the ATO actionable threshold.

    That certainly suggests some inside knowledge of what the threshold is.

    Apart from Adam Cranston, Jay Olney looks sus:
    http://synep.com/our-people/
    http://northstar.net.au/about-us/

    Looks like it was IT contractors funnelled through plutus payroll services..

    More details on The Register:
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/plutus_payroll_named_at_centre_of_165_million_tax_scam_scheme/

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/03/plutus_payroll_fallout/

  91. duncanm

    .. stuck in ‘too many links’ moderation.

    More info on the ATO scam – which was an IT contracting provider, at The Register:
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/plutus_payroll_named_at_centre_of_165_million_tax_scam_scheme/
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/03/plutus_payroll_fallout/

  92. notafan

    Now Chris Jordan back in 2014 was saying that Australia was a ‘high trust’ society and suggesting that audit played little part in ensuring tax revenue was collected. This used to be fairly true, but an audit programme is your watch dog. all the same.

    Our immigration programme for the last couple of decades had drawn on populations from ‘low trust’ societies and you can bet if there are people in the community that are aware of systemic weaknesses in our tax system they will be exploiting them, just like they do with Family day care, child rebates, and NSW third party insurance schemes etc,

    IF the AFP have found a big one, you can bet there are lots of smaller ones going on too.

    ATO commissioners should be very wary about making pronouncements based on their understanding of Australia’s level of social cohesion.

    Cranston junior appears to be a 5%er of the old school.

    Italians of course are quite rightly feed up, a corrupt and inefficient government, business taxes running to 75%, I don’t blame them at all.

    We can go there if you like Mr NDIS, GONSKI, Medicare, Turnbull.

    Our level of willing participation is good in Australia with more than 95% of the revenue we collect coming in voluntarily; the balance as a result of active compliance. Compare that with somewhere like Italy —nearly a quarter of the net tax revenue only comes in as a result of active compliance intervention.

    I think our high level of willing participation in Australia is the result of many factors – belief in taxes, trust in the fairness and integrity of the administration, structure of systems such as PAYG, dividend franking, and of course the deterrent effect of compliance enforcement actions.


    Chris Jordan in 2014

  93. Tom

    On LCQ, I’m thinking compromising mankini shot.

    Time to own up, Doomlord: where and when was the picture taken?

    Also were you wearing lipstick as a dare? Asking for a friend.

  94. Nick

    The rest was largely a denunciation of those she believed had wronged her – the media, male chauvinists, the royal commission itself, and even “fattists’’.

    Bwahahaahhahhaha.

    Ill bet the rotund rag had no trouble blaming ‘white males’

  95. Tel

    I’ve been where you are heading and it is not fun.

    The difference, Stimpy, is that you lost confidence and started looking for a way back out. On the other hand, she made it right through to the other side and discovered whole new territory.

  96. notafan

    Duncamm

    That definitely puts it in the realm of straight out fraud and one that you would think would eventually have had to be found out, makes you wonder about the participants long term intentions.

    Planning a runner but left it too late?

    Possibly facilitated by having different ABNs on the payee certificates to that of the entity making the payment to the ATO so it was irreconcilable.

    Cranston’s massive super payout might also be down the plug hole.

  97. Mark A

    duncanm
    #2383032, posted on May 18, 2017 at 1:23 pm
    More info on the ATO scam – which was an IT contracting provider, at The Register:

    Stupid, stupid, stupid, what were they thinking?

    A fraud like this has a very short-term life expectancy.

  98. Myrddin Seren

    How did the AFP get involved in Cranstongate ?

    Once it went interagency, I am assuming there was no way to whitewash the thing ?

  99. notafan

    I assume something got flagged on Austrac.

  100. incoherent rambler

    How did the AFP get involved in Cranstongate ?

    Myrddin, ask yourself who might not have received the required payoff.
    That might be the answer you seek.

  101. Zyconoclast

    ABC headline
    ‘Son of a tax official…’

    Does this now replace

    Son of a b*tch?

  102. srr

    President Trump Comprehensively Understands Who and What is the Opposition…
    Posted on May 17, 2017 by sundance

    President Trump understands what lies at the heart of the opposition. DO YOU?

    ♦Multinational corporations purchase controlling interests in various national industry and economic elements of developed industrial western nations.
    ♦The Multinational Corporations making the purchases are underwritten by massive global financial institutions, multinational banks.
    ♦The Multinational Banks and the Multinational Corporations then utilize lobbying interests to manipulate internal political policy of the targeted nation state(s).
    ♦With control over the targeted national industry or interest, the multinationals then leverage export of the national asset (exfiltration) through trade agreements structured to the benefit of lesser developed nation states – where they have previously established a proactive financial footprint.

    The ‘America First’ Trade Doctrine upsets the entire construct of this multinational export/control dynamic. President Trump focuses exclusively on bilateral trade deals with specific policy only looking out for the national interests of the United States.

    Under President Trump’s Trade positions the exfiltration of U.S. national wealth is essentially stopped. This puts the multinational corporations, globalists who previously took a stake-hold in the U.S. economy with intention to export the wealth, in a position of holding interest of an asset they can no longer exploit.

    If you can see the ramifications and grasp the inherent anger, you can begin to understand the severity of the opposition to President Trump. Again, President Trump knows. WATCH*:

    All of these media efforts are intended to stop this agenda from happening. There are trillions of dollars at stake. President Trump will not let corporatist opposition and media block his goal. Politics might be downstream from pop culture, but pop culture is downstream from Economics. It’s always the economics stupid.

    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/17/president-trump-comprehensively-understands-who-and-what-is-the-opposition/

    * Listen To This And Tell Me Trump Is Crazy!

  103. Myrddin Seren

    nota

    I assume something got flagged on Austrac.

    I read earlier that Cranston Jr was using ‘vulnerable’ people as Potemkin directors on his fraudulent front companies. What odds that some of those ‘vulnerable people’ were busily remitting their share back to any one of numerous worthy jihadi cash laundering groups in the ME.

  104. Roger

    Trudeau providing that clear honesty he promised. .. and you thought our politicians were bad!

    Venality and ineptitude served up with a topping of smug arrogance.

    Just one reason why his popularity is heading south quickly.

  105. Fat Tony

    The employees reportedly tried to access ATO information at the behest of Mr Cranston.

    A fraud case in Toowoomba back about 20+ years ago with the DSS/Centrelink where one of the higher level employees rorted the system.
    He used the sign on / passwords of fellow workers to access & approve certain activities/payments.

    When the Fed Police came, these people got a really good grilling, but were not charged. At first, it looked like they were in on the fraud, but had (just) handed out their logon details. (Too trusting/foolish).

  106. notafan

    MS

    I agree

    Seems much easier to assemble Potemkins in multi millions dollar frauds from certain ‘low trust’ demographics

    The Iraqi insurance fraudster drew from the Iraqi Afghani and Vietnamese communties iirc

    Someone I knew got innocently caught up with a high roller fraudster many years ago, money spemd everywhere on an incredibly lavish lifestyle til the bubble burst, had done the same before in the US and done a runner.

    Perhaps the same personality type as the bank robbers who rob, then spree, rob then spree until they get caught.

  107. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    A pay roll business that doesn’t charge for it’s services and all the directors are stinking rich? I don’t see any red flags there.

    You know if you are going to scam taxpayers and the government you are better off starting up an employment business and marrying into the ALP.

  108. Roger

    Do they AFP really need the Specialist Response Group present to arrest an overweight white collar criminal?

    Was it because of a security assessment or because it would look good for the TV cameras which mysteriously happened to be present to record the arrest?

  109. notafan

    Or there are ME criminal links?

  110. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Was it because of a security assessment or because it would look good for the TV cameras which mysteriously happened to be present to record the arrest?

    Everything helps with the funding.

  111. notafan

    I hope the other ATO employees get named.

  112. johanna

    Cranston’s massive super payout might also be down the plug hole.

    Chance’d be a fine thing.

  113. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    It’s quite obvious that we need a Royal Commission into the ATO and in the interim they must be shutdown for say 3 or 4 decades.

  114. notafan

    Actually there is a good change of it if he is convicted and receives more than a 12 month sentence

    Attorney general’s department info

  115. incoherent rambler

    IT, do you think this enough for the ATO to lose their social license to collect tax?

  116. No prizes for guessing where this is leading. #plainpackaging

    Prohibition by stealth.

  117. candy

    Can’t help but think this puts a bit of a dint in general public’s trust in government departments, after the sensis department failing too.
    Why should Centrelink, MyGov, Immigration be secure if the ATO can’t be?

  118. duncanm

    Do they AFP really need the Specialist Response Group present to arrest an overweight white collar criminal?

    they just wanted to be in on the horse trading over who got to drive the GT40 back to the lockup

  119. test pattern

    It’s time to take the gloves off. We are at war with Catholics.

    A whole generation of over 50s were either perps, facilitators, covered up or looked the other way. The systemic Catholic rape and abuse of children is a crime against humanity. They must not be allowed to shift the blame onto Pell or even a few thousand priests and nuns.

    As with WW2 and the ongoing war against ISIS the ideology must be defeated too, they must first be demoralised totally, accept defeat and be made too weak to resist. At the moment they’re still resisting. Only then can rough justice and winners justice be meted out, as it was when the Allies defeated Germany. This is why Pell must go to trial and be found guilty, to demoralise the enemy. Winners justice must prevail.

  120. Roger;

    Venality and ineptitude served up with a topping of smug arrogance.
    Just one reason why his popularity is heading south quickly.

    Bit bloody late, now, isn’t it, Roger.
    Trudeau always struck me as the sort of bastard who would seduce a girl of her virginity, after plying her champagne, and treat her like a slag the next day.
    Just like his dad.

  121. johanna

    Forgot to add – former NSW Labor Minister Eddie Obeid is in jail for fraud, and he’s still collecting his super. When he was convicted, NSW Liberals were mustard for fixing it. But, somehow, it seems to have slipped to the bottom of the legislative agenda.

    I wonder if Milton Orkopolous is collecting his?

  122. IT, do you think this enough for the ATO to lose their social license to collect tax?

    Rambler, that term is as Orwellian as it gets. It implies, nay, dictates, that one’s very existence in society is a privilege to be bestowed by others, namely those that wish to lord over us. Social justice reveals its totalitarian core. Again.

  123. duncanm

    I wonder if Milton Orkopolous is collecting his?

    he’s due for parole right about now..

  124. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Looks like Albo is making a play for Shorten’s job.

  125. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    IT, do you think this enough for the ATO to lose their social license to collect tax?

    An excellent point.

  126. Drain the Billabong!
    Make Australia Good – ish!

    Slogans R Us.

  127. notafan

    Obeid was a NSW politician and not covered by the same law as Federal employees

    Cranston works for the Federal Government and the law at the link was pretty crystal I thought.

  128. Myrddin Seren

    Do they AFP really need the Specialist Response Group present to arrest an overweight white collar criminal?

    Wonder if we have Cranstongate the wrong way around ?

    For someone who has $165 million stashed away, Cranston Jr should have had an escape tunnel and a boat ready to go.

    The AFP looked like they had trouble getting the cuffs on his pudgy wrists.

    Maybe it wasn’t a case of some spiv tossing a few coins at ‘persons of no particular ethnic and religious background’ to front the tax shelters ?

    Maybe the people organising the volunteer front directors are used to moving lots of money out to the ME, and this was another way round to shear the Commonwealth ? Maybe the Cranston Crime Family are the fronts for even bigger Mr Bigs ?

    Memoryvault has been saying for some time now that defrauding the Commonwealth and exporting large slices of the proceeds to worthy jihadi groups in the ME has been a local cottage industry for years and that senior folk in Canberra aid and abet ? Senior ATO officials mayhap ?!

    Abu Baksheesh al Cranston anyone ? I need to start working up a screenplay for the ‘Underbelly’ people !!

  129. So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

    Brilliant wedging. He’s either a liar or has broken the law. It can only be one or the other.

  130. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Can’t help but think this puts a bit of a dint in general public’s trust in government departments, after the sensis department failing too.
    Why should Centrelink, MyGov, Immigration be secure if the ATO can’t be?

    And still the public demand more government.

    What in their experience leads them to believe that government is good at anything?

  131. thefrolickingmole

    johanna

    Reading “he who must be Obeid” makes the “why” crystal clear.

    1/2 the Libs were up to their necks in dodgy property deals as well. Hundreds of millions of dollars gifted to people with political connections by zoning and regulatory decisions.
    Its a book to make you quite grumpy.

  132. duncanm

    For someone who has $165 million stashed away, Cranston Jr should have had an escape tunnel and a boat ready to go.

    yeh – he was certainly slow off the blocks.

    Plutus payroll has been shut down by the ATO for weeks.

    The AFP must have slapped a no-travel ban on him.. but even so, it should be easy to slip out of the country.

    .. maybe he’s a bit thick.

  133. Fat Tony

    test pattern
    #2383083, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:08 pm

    It’s time to take the gloves off. We are at war with Catholics.

    A whole generation of over 50s were either perps, facilitators, covered up or looked the other way. The systemic Catholic rape and abuse of children is a crime against humanity. They must not be allowed to shift the blame onto Pell or even a few thousand priests and nuns.

    Hey dickhead: I went to a Christian Brothers School from 1964 to 1970 – grade 6 to grade 12. Most of the teachers were Christian Brothers – only a few lay teachers.

    There were over 600 boys attending there – from grade 4 through to grade 12. And we all pretty well knew each other – the older boys looked after the younger ones. Bullying etc was almost non-existent.

    Never once in those 7 years did I even hear a hint of any of the Brothers molesting / touching / “grooming” etc any of the boys. Not once.

    And a cockhead like you comes along and throws shit over everyone.

    Just FUCK OFF.

  134. IT;

    And still the public demand more government.
    What in their experience leads them to believe that government is good at anything?

    I’d have thought that the Government taking over the provision of dietary advice in the 80’s would have convinced anyone that more government meant more chaos.
    Here in 2017, and we have a nutrition crisis.
    Hoodathunkit?

  135. test pattern

    ‘I went to a Christian Brothers School from 1964 to 1970 ‘

    U r over fifty. U need to repent. Now. Winners Justice awaits.

  136. Out of hospital. It was just one kidney stone, very small, and I passed it. Got lucky.

  137. thefrolickingmole

    Fat Tony

    Similar experience, mine had a bunch of boarders as well, either we were all too ugly or the brothers werent molesters.

    After i left apparently they even had a flamboyantly gay Indo twink type boarder the kids were more worried about that the brothers.

  138. Myrddin Seren

    The AFP must have slapped a no-travel ban on him.. but even so, it should be easy to slip out of the country.

    .. maybe he’s a bit thick.

    Exactly. Ibn Pudgy al Cranston doesn’t look like a criminal mastermind – more like a fat beer pig like Carl Williams.

    Where is the $165 million ( less expenses to the ‘vulnerable people’ who were the Potemkin directors ) ?

    That is a lot of cash to chip off PAYE tax payments ? Even with a pad in Bondi and a flash car or two ?

  139. Fat Tony

    test pattern
    #2383101, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    ‘I went to a Christian Brothers School from 1964 to 1970 ‘

    U r over fifty. U need to repent. Now. Winners Justice awaits.

    Yeah dickhead – I am 64.
    And you are one sick fuck.
    Repent now.

  140. candy

    Good news, monty. Did they give advice on avoiding that problem in future?

  141. Stimpson J. Cat

    Winners justice must prevail.

    Yes.
    Then we can look at remote Aboriginal communities and see if the there is any way we can protect the children there.
    Any ideas?

  142. Myrddin Seren

    m0nty

    Out of hospital. It was just one kidney stone, very small, and I passed it. Got lucky.

    Did they offer advice on cause ? Is there a family history like others have mentioned ? Dietary advice ?

  143. calli

    I’m glad, m0nty. Also’ you can’t say to your wife, “I know just what childbirth feels like.”

    Believe it or not, that’s just what a rellie said to me after the same experience. Must have had a stone the size of a softball.

  144. Fat Tony

    monty – get in the habit of drinking lots of water – you need to flush the little buggers out before they turn into big ones.
    It can be a bit annoying, but the alternative is a lot worse.

    And just remember – they didn’t kill you this time….

  145. johanna

    notafan
    #2383092, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    Obeid was a NSW politician and not covered by the same law as Federal employees

    Cranston works for the Federal Government and the law at the link was pretty crystal I thought.

    My point was the larger one, i.e. that prising generously taxpayer subsidised super from the hands of the ruling class is fiendishly difficult.

    And don’t forget, he can always appeal to the AAT.

  146. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trudeau always struck me as the sort of bastard who would seduce a girl of her virginity, after plying her champagne, and treat her like a slag the next day.

    He has to go back.
    To Cuba.
    Goddamned Commie.

  147. Fat Tony

    thefrolickingmole
    #2383103, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    Fat Tony

    Similar experience, mine had a bunch of boarders as well, either we were all too ugly or the brothers werent molesters.

    It just pisses me off the way people carry on like every single Brother or priest spent the majority of their time rooting boys, when the reality is most were decent men trying to do the best for their charges they could.

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Out of hospital. It was just one kidney stone, very small, and I passed it. Got lucky.

    Good news.
    Now throw it in the bin otherwise you’ll be tempted to drop it in J.C.’s drink next time you have lunch.

    😁

  149. srr

    I dedicate this to all the cats who think JC’s “USSR” moniker for me is funny and something none of you who’ve joined in using it, have felt the need to apologise for.

    https://youtu.be/OlB_xNOAn1c?t=154

    It’s as gentle an admonition for all your sooky wailing about your ‘hurt’ feelz 🙄 as I can come up with. When you grow up you can thank me for being as gentle and good humoured with you as I have – or maybe not; maybe I’ve been too kind …

    Jordan Peterson on the “Not Real Communism” Fallacy

  150. Fat Tony

    calli
    #2383110, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    I’m glad, m0nty. Also’ you can’t say to your wife, “I know just what childbirth feels like.”

    Believe it or not, that’s just what a rellie said to me after the same experience. Must have had a stone the size of a softball.

    The stone doesn’t have to be the size of a softball, just big enough to block off the ureter. 5mm diameter will do the trick for most.

    People who have given birth and had kidney stones have said the kidney stone is worse.
    People who have been shot and had kidney stones have said the kidney stone is worse.

    I had an ambulance guy (who had not had a kidney stone) say that the equivalent level of pain shown by sufferers was matched by motorcyclists who had come off and sheared the top joint off their thigh bone (where it goes into the hip).

  151. John64

    Looks like Albo is making a play for Shorten’s job.

    The ALP don’t really want Tits McPeanuthead to become Prime Minister – I’m sure that deep down even they believe he is a ludicrous candidate for PM.

    After the 2013 wipeout, he was meant to be the Brendan Nelson leader. Keep the show together until the wheel of fortune turned and the ALP got into a competitive position once again, when either the Slovenian Hag or Therapeutic Albo could be shoehorned into the job.

    The speed and magnitude of the Libs disintegration and total capitulation was completely unanticipated.

  152. H B Bear

    Looks like Albo is making a play for Shorten’s job.

    Albo knows, like Lord Waffleworth, that he is running out of time. Just like when you’ve booked a half hour executive stress relief session but you know you really should have got the full hour.

  153. yeh – he was certainly slow off the blocks.

    Plutus payroll has been shut down by the ATO for weeks.

    The AFP must have slapped a no-travel ban on him.. but even so, it should be easy to slip out of the country.

    .. maybe he’s a bit thick.

    Well, he has risen to a high level in the public service so it all adds up.

  154. Fisky

    test pattern
    #2383083, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:08 pm
    It’s time to take the gloves off. We are at war with Catholics.

    oldsalt
    #1403230, posted on August 3, 2014 at 7:13 pm
    Left? Nothing of the sort Fisky. I’m a conservative Catholic who prefers the Latin Mass to the modern uninspiring tone-deaf iteration. God country and family.

    Hi Alan!

  155. notafan

    Adam

    Cranston junior is the bloke in bracelets

    not Cranston senior the pillar of the ATO

  156. I dedicate this to all the cats who think JC’s “USSR” moniker for me is funny and something none of you who’ve joined in using it, have felt the need to apologise for.

    The modern man does not apologise.

  157. Nota,

    Oh. Well I’m sure he will be in bracelets soon enough.

  158. Fat Tony

    Fisky

    Who is this testpattern character?

    I know what he is, but what’s the point ?

  159. Myrddin Seren

    The ALP don’t really want Tits McPeanuthead to become Prime Minister – I’m sure that deep down even they believe he is a ludicrous candidate for PM.

    After the 2013 wipeout, he was meant to be the Brendan Nelson leader. Keep the show together until the wheel of fortune turned and the ALP got into a competitive position once again, when either the Slovenian Hag or Therapeutic Albo could be shoehorned into the job.

    Albo and Tokarev Tanya are of the Left ( ie closer in policy positions to the Turnbull United Party ) – which is problematic for the people who run the ALP.

    In the subsequent poll of the members for the new leader – Albo was the punters’ choice.

    The people who REALLY run the ALP – the big union leaders – decided that

    Shorten had shown suitable penance for unseating Julia;

    they had sufficient dirt on him to keep him in order, and;

    he had sufficient dirt on them to make make sure if he went down at least a few of them came with him.

    Hence he was the unions’ choice – and that is that.

    Based on the Preferred PM scores at Newspoll, I would hazard to suggest that IF the ALP did replace the unlikeable and widely untrusted Shorten with Albo – the rout of the Turnbull United Party at the next election will make history.

  160. test pattern

    ‘Repent now.’

    Non Serviam!

  161. Stimpson J. Cat

    The modern man does not apologise.

    The wise man follows his own increasingly convoluted path regardless of the opinions of others who cannot walk that path for him.

    😁

  162. Good news, monty. Did they give advice on avoiding that problem in future?

    I asked whether there were any lifestyle changes I could make to avoid it, and the doc said no, just hydrate. Fat Tony sounds like an expert, his prescription is spot on.

  163. Atoms for Peace

    Fat Tony…the sense of shame and bewilderment prevented a lot of victims from speaking out about child abuse. The 60s and 70s were for all intents and purposes a different world.

  164. Chris

    Out of hospital. It was just one kidney stone, very small, and I passed it. Got lucky.

    Glad you are OK now Monts. Stay well.
    And you got lucky too!

  165. Mother Lode

    I dedicate this to all the cats who think JC’s “USSR” moniker for me is funny and something none of you who’ve joined in using it, have felt the need to apologise for.

    I like it.

    Just so as ya know.

  166. Fat Tony

    Atoms for Peace
    #2383137, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    Fat Tony…the sense of shame and bewilderment prevented a lot of victims from speaking out about child abuse. The 60s and 70s were for all intents and purposes a different world.

    I was there – not reading about it 40 or 50 years later.

    The ‘shame and bewilderment’ wouldn’t have been too strong between us kids at the time.

    And I repeat – I saw no sign, hint or bewilderment that would indicate that any sort of sexual abuse by the Brothers at the Christian Brothers School I attended from 1964 to 1970.

  167. Fat Tony

    test pattern
    #2383133, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    ‘Repent now.’

    Non Serviam!

    So now you think you’re Lucifer?
    You may be correct.

  168. H B Bear

    It can’t be long before the ALPBC staff co-op goes into full disaster mode reporting on the collapse of US democracy under The Donald. Jon Paine will immediately step into the chair and broadcast nationally with regular 15 minute updates after an annoying siren noise.

  169. Libby Zee

    So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

    Brilliant wedging. He’s either a liar or has broken the law. It can only be one or the other.

    It depends on how the Comey memorandum was worded. Specifying word-for-word what was said, but without stating an opinion, leaves it open to interpretation (by himself and/or others).

  170. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    The plot thickens ……. Oz…

    A former lawyer for jailed NSW Labor powerbroker Eddie Obeid and a veteran TV producer are among those named on long lists of people that the accused in Australia’s biggest tax fraud investigation cannot contact following a hearing in Sydney’s Central Local Court today.

    At least nine people including Adam Cranston, the son of an Australian Tax Office deputy commissioner, have been charged in connection with what police say is a $165m tax fraud syndicate that allegedly used a payroll company to illicitly funnel wage payments that should have gone to the tax office.

    Sevag Chalabian, the founding director of Lands Legal and a former lawyer for Obeid, is among the list of co-accused who were directed by a magistrate today not to contact or associate with each other.

    The accused given bail today were also told that they could not associate with a large group of people including Steve Barrett, a former TV producer and reporter who has worked for the Nine Network’s 60 Minutes as well as Seven current affairs programs and newspapers.

    Mr Barrett is not among those charged, and his link to the case remains unclear at this stage. As a 60 Minutes producer, he helped track down the notorious pedophile “Dolly” Dunn in South America and was filmed meeting Dunn for the program. Dunn was later extradited, convicted and died in prison in 2009.

    Chalabian, a former solicitor with legal firm Philips Fox in Sydney, was the founding director of Lands Legal in 2004.

    He was the lawyer for Obeid and his five sons from 2009 onwards when the Obeid family was brought to the attention of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption, at the start of a series of its investigations into the family’s finances and connections. It has been reported that Mr Chalabian was able to advise Obeid based on his “understanding of how to hide investments through complex trustee company arrangements”.

    Mr Chalabian is known to have investments of his own property, mining and technology security.

    Eddie Obeid was convicted and jailed for five years in December for ministerial misconduct after not revealing his family’s interests in lucrative café licenses at Sydney’s Circular Quay that were up for public tender.

  171. BrettW

    Well it looks like Columbian drug mule is going to plead guilty. Her fiancé given interview saying she was lured to Columbia due to her debts and has seen details of payments she received. Channel 7 tonight.

    She should keep a diary in prison for when she writes her book after she gets back. She can do the TV shows and radio etc and give advice to others who might be tempted.

    Wonder if Schappelle going to finally tell the story of who put the drugs in her board bag or will she still maintain innocence ?

  172. Chris

    I saw no sign, hint or bewilderment that would indicate that any sort of sexual abuse by the Brothers at the Christian Brothers School I attended from 1964 to 1970.

    In 1971 my best mate from our country primary school went to Perth’s St Louis (I think Jesuits) for first year high school. He describes as normal a boy being flogged with a cane in front of the class until he wet himself.

    I don’t think abuse has to be sexual to be appalling.

  173. Stimpson J. Cat

    The 60s and 70s were for all intents and purposes a different world.

    The true blame lies with hippies.
    Hippies lead to communes.
    Communes lead to Communism.
    Communism leads to rampant degeneracy, evil and filth.

  174. Fat Tony

    monty – good to see you are ok.

    Get in the habit of having a big glass of water at your desk.
    I have a 600 mL glass that gets refilled a few times a day.

    Keep up the water and every now & then (months apart), you’ll feel a few twinges in the urinary tract – that will be small stones passing through. That is a good thing.

  175. Mother Lode

    The true blame lies with hippies.
    Hippies lead to communes.
    Communes lead to Communism.
    Communism leads to rampant degeneracy, evil and filth.

    Once again a smoking cartoon cat shows us the way.

  176. areff

    Apart from Father Byrne, a sadistic prick for whom Hell cannot be hot enough, the most vicious masters were all lay teachers. The Jacks were a pretty easy touch when you figured out how to handle them.

  177. calli

    That’s good advice for everyone, FT.

    And not beer flavoured water, mind! 😃

  178. notafan

    My brothers went to Christian brothers schools in Victoria where there was abuse, well documented.

    Our boys knew that the particular brother was warped, but probably not how warped, never told parents (or sisters) , mother was in mother’s club, thought he was creepy, but too naive to see how creepy.

    As LL said a while back, they picked out vulnerable boys, not the ones from robust families.

    Doesn’t alter the fact that test pattern is a dissembling troll here for the pickings.

  179. .

    Fat Tony
    #2383098, posted on May 18, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    Well said Tony.

  180. Myrddin Seren

    Specifying word-for-word what was said, but without stating an opinion, leaves it open to interpretation

    Almost like it had been ‘taped’…….

  181. Fat Tony

    chris I don’t think abuse has to be sexual to be appalling.

    Never said it did. But the prevailing concern is sexual abuse.

    The worst at my school for flogging the kids was a lay teacher.
    Leather straps were used, and these weren’t as bad as the cane. Most of the teachers didn’t put too much effort into it.

    But I have heard of some fairly serious canings / violence from the local State High Schools.

    Physical abuse was not limited to any particular type of school.

    Unfortunately, because of this physical abuse, the pendulum has swung too far the other way now and the little shits are pretty well uncontrollable in schools these days.

  182. And not beer flavoured water, mind!

    calli, you’re no fun.

    I do note that you didn’t rule out whisky-flavoured water, though.

  183. calli

    You’re terrible, areff.

    Not only Catholics laity either. There were some predators at my church who winkled out vulnerable boys. My brother, who later “came out”, must have been very enticing to them. Fortunately, Dad looks like a prize fighter – a remarkably effective deterrent.

    I take after Dad. 🙂

  184. H B Bear

    Are there ever any criminal matters in NSW that do not involve either Eddie Obeid or Graham Richardson?

  185. What’s wrong with beer flavored water? It’s still water, more or less. Does the same thing just with a few additional benefits.

    Stop kidney stones, drink more beer.

  186. notafan

    Severe beatings also were the norm in some family homes back then Chris and not unknown in state schools either

    A friend of mine’s father was one of the rare ones to be convicted of that offence in the late sixties (and that was actually reported by teachers) and my now deceased ex FIL had stories about his years as an state primary school principle of parental abuse that was never reported, because you didn’t. You just laid off them at school.

    It certainly isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing.

    Not to mention the many stories of boarding schools in the UK, Roald Dahl had permanent scars from beatings he received from a future Archbishop of Canterbury and there is also a quote from Lawrence Olivier somewhere about realizing that pants down beatings had motives beyond mere punishment.

  187. calli

    I went out with the most caned boy in Infants (yes, they did cane six year olds back then), and I married the most caned boy in Primary.

    Must have been attracted to the bad ones.

  188. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Jacks were a pretty easy touch when you figured out how to handle them.

    Sounds gay.

    😁

  189. Fat Tony

    calli
    #2383161, posted on May 18, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    That’s good advice for everyone, FT.

    And not beer flavoured water, mind! 😃

    Actually, beer flavoured water is quite good – it flows right through the urinary system, which is what is needed. A good flush.

  190. .

    monty

    Are you better? Great.

    Now shut up.

    Trump’s Statements Are Not an Obstruction of Justice
    By ELIZABETH PRICE FOLEY – MAY 17, 2017

    Elizabeth Price Foley, a professor of constitutional law at Florida International University College of Law, is the author of “Liberty for All: Reclaiming Individual Privacy in a New Era of Public Morality.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/opinion/trumps-fbi-comey-statements-are-not-an-obstruction-of-justice.html

  191. Leigh Lowe

    New HBO series … “Breakin’ Dad” starring Adam Cranston.

  192. Fat Tony

    Adam: What’s wrong with beer flavored water? It’s still water, more or less. Does the same thing just with a few additional benefits.

    Stop kidney stones, drink more beer.

    Way to go, my good man…even heard that from a urologist after my first nasty kidney stone.

  193. Fat Tony;

    Get in the habit of having a big glass of water at your desk.
    I have a 600 mL glass that gets refilled a few times a day.

    Just so long as we all recognise that Monty is quite overweight and probably needs a cardiology review before he overloads his heart and ends up with Pulmonary Oedema.

  194. calli

    Trouble with too much beer flavoured water is that it leaves something behind by way of a comfy little paunch.

    But who am I to say you can’t drink it? Just sling the belt a little lower. 🙂

  195. Oh, and Monty also has dreadful golf stance. But it can’t be fixed.

  196. Stimpson J. Cat

    Doesn’t alter the fact that test pattern is a dissembling troll here for the pickings.

    I think it is incredibly racist that he spends all his time worrying about white children when all the statistics show that Aboriginal children are the real victims who desperately need our help.
    Or am I wrong?

  197. test pattern

    ‘I don’t think abuse has to be sexual to be appalling.’

    I agree. One may be a sign that the other is happening too. Nor does it have to be perpetrated by clergy for clergy to be responsible. Perth indeed. Sexual abuse occurred in all boarding environments regardless of religion ie superstition. I have previously stated for the record an incident that took place at the alleged place of learning to which I was exiled for some, too many, years in which a boy, older than I, was tied to a tree, tarred and feathered with black paint and pillow down, raped with a broomstick and had his pubes pulled out by fellow boarders, to please a footy mad priest, who currently resides in Victoria. The clergy covered it up by placing him with a trusted Knight of the Southern Cross, a public servant who could be relied upon to keep it from the law. His dad flew in some weeks later to take him away. He died young, but not before he had become a household name, an ABC anchorman no less with his own current affairs show, a respected foreign correspondent and then spokesman for Kofi Annan. I met again him years later when we worked together. I don’t think he ever told his wife and kids. So many, many adults must have known, and looked away. A whole generation in fact.

  198. Fat Tony

    Winston – Just so long as we all recognise that Monty is quite overweight and probably needs a cardiology review before he overloads his heart and ends up with Pulmonary Oedema.

    Shouldn’t be a problem, unless he inhales his water the same way as his food.

  199. .

    Actually, I agree Stimpy. Was thinking about this the other day. All of these dubious abuse stories cropped up after the Little Children Are Sacred report.

  200. Fat Tony

    notafan

    I am aware that abuse happened in some institutions, but it annoys me when the majority of hardworking and decent Religious all get tarred with the same brush.

    Maybe i was lucky and attended the only school where it never happened, but all I can do is speak from my own experience.

  201. .

    I have previously stated for the record an incident that took place at the alleged place of learning to which I was exiled for some, too many, years in which a boy, older than I, was tied to a tree, tarred and feathered with black paint and pillow down, raped with a broomstick and had his pubes pulled out by fellow boarders, to please a footy mad priest, who currently resides in Victoria. The clergy covered it up by placing him with a trusted Knight of the Southern Cross, a public servant who could be relied upon to keep it from the law. His dad flew in some weeks later to take him away. He died young, but not before he had become a household name, an ABC anchorman no less with his own current affairs show, a respected foreign correspondent and then spokesman for Kofi Annan.

    I love to see you testify about this under oath, you coward.

  202. notafan

    Gee test pattern

    30 seconds on google to figure out who that story is about

    What did YOU do about it?

  203. notafan

    I was agreeing with your Tony

    The tainted schools have all been identified during the RC

    To tar every single one with the same brush is outrageous.

  204. notafan

    And incidentally, by your own admission, you are one of the guilty.

  205. notafan

    Test pattern, that is.

  206. John64

    Are there ever any criminal matters in NSW that do not involve either Eddie Obeid or Graham Richardson?

    A fair call, certainly since Nifty Nev passed away.

  207. Fat Tony

    notafan
    #2383207, posted on May 18, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    And incidentally, by your own admission, you are one of the guilty.
    Test pattern, that is.

    Phew….I thought you meant me there for a sec….

  208. Leigh Lowe

    The whole ATO thing is bullshit.
    These guys made off with $165m in less than 12 months.
    Assume an average salary of $100k p.a. which represents $25k annual tax.
    $165m represents full tax on 6,500 to 7,000 employees for a full year. However, they apparently only skimmed a portion of payments to avoid triggering audit warnings, which means this was payroll on maybe 20,000 plus employees.
    That is either several large businesses or massive numbers of small/medium businesses.
    This is more than a couple of young spivs skimming a bit off the top.

  209. This thread is a bit depressing today, what with Monty escaping a fate worse than death and all.

    How about some Feargal Sharkey to liven things up?

  210. duncanm

    Leigh — exactly what I said quite a few comments back.

  211. Boambee John

    From the LQC thread.

    Boambee John
    #2383214, posted on May 18, 2017 at 3:51 pm
    candy at 1239

    Just catching up.

    If the Mueller inquiry is to follow the “Russia done it” meme through, then it will have to investigate the DNC “hacking”.

    To do this, it will have to investigate the Wikileaks claim that the leak was from inside the DNC.

    To do this it will have to investigate the Seth Rich murder.

    Interesting times ahead.

  212. Des Deskperson

    “Well, he has risen to a high level in the public service so it all adds up.”

    Notafan was referring to Cranston Jr. Cranston Sr is described by his mates as a “long-serving senior officers” who had “quite an illustrious [career] up until this point”.

    On the other hand, its the ATO, an organisation that spends a great deal of time polishing its image, both outside and within the APS.

    If you believe ATO propaganda, then both the agency collectively and its and its employees individually are intelligent, innovative, forward-thinking, flexible, ethical, compassionate and client-focussed.

    It’s always, therefore, a bit if a jolt when you actually have to deal with ATO employees, even, well, particularly, at senior levels and find that they are mostly thick and ordinary.

    The ATO has one of the lowest levels of staff turnover of any APS agency – about 6% p.a, prima facie a very inbred agency. Still, it probably was an ‘Illustrious career, by ATO standards

  213. Stimpson J. Cat

    by fellow boarders

    to please a footy mad priest, who currently resides in Victoria.

    What he and the other boarders are still healthy and going strong?
    No falls or slips or burns or cuts or breaks or accidents or other Acts of God?
    What the f$ck have you been praying for all this time?
    You are useless.

  214. duncanm

    How about some Feargal Sharkey to liven things up?

    who knew that’s where Daft Punk stole their video idea for ’round the world’ from ?

  215. Myrddin Seren

    This is more than a couple of young spivs skimming a bit off the top.

    Please refer to my lurid ‘Underbelly’ prose upthread.

    This is a big f**king deal. Where is the $165 mill – less expenses ?

  216. Chris

    Severe beatings also were the norm in some family homes back then Chris and not unknown in state schools either

    I was there in that decade too, like about 80% of this blog’s readers as far as I can tell. Severe beatings were absolutely exceptional and not at all the standard of the day in state schools. Beatings were well known in the culture as read about from previous times, especially in private schools. The worst I heard of as a primary kid was six on each hand. Six cuts to the hand max was the rule. There was a strong movement to ban corporal punishment in schools which succeeded later in the 1970s.

    As for homes, I can make no claims of knowledge about other families except those of my friends and class mates, but serious violence was not regarded as normal family behaviour.

    My mother was a primary school teacher, and became deputy head at another country state school after the principal was busted for fiddling boys. I really think that the Royal Commission is a crooked set-up, and would like to see the media exploiters of false witnesses disgraced themselves.

  217. notafan

    Looks like a legit company was taken over by a criminal syndicate

    According to the LinkedIn profile of Tim Munk, a former general manager who worked for two years at Plutus until April, a number of executives left the company when it changed ownership.

    “Sadly, following a change in ownership and subsequent restructuring, Tim Munk parted ways with Plutus Payroll along with Tim Fox and Chris Long to start work on their own business venture — more in-line with the ethos of a better customer experience,” Munk says on LinkedIn.


    plutus payroll article at business insider

  218. Stimpson J. Cat

    My expectations may be high, I blame it on my youth
    Soon enough I’ll learn the painful truth
    I’ll face it like a fighter then boast how I’ve grown
    Anything is better than being alone

    Well I know ’cause I learn a little every day
    I know ’cause I listen when the experts say that

    That a good mind these days is hard to find
    True sanity, the lasting kind
    A good mind these days is hard to find
    So please be gentle with this mind of mine

    😁

  219. Top Ender

    A former Chief Minister suggested shooting all camp dogs. Got much criticised. But check the last sentence.

    Children mauled by dogs

    HAYLEY SORENSEN

    RESIDENTS in remote Northern Territory communities are being held captive in their homes by packs of dangerous dogs.

    Australian Medical Association NT remote doctors council representative Chris Clohesy, who works in Milingimbi, said the dog problem was “out of control” in many communities.

    “It is a significant health problem. They are causing a lot of injuries,” he said.

    Dr Clohesy said he tallied 24 dog attacks on children last year in Ngukurr, where he previously worked.

    One child was flown to Darwin for plastic surgery after being mauled on the face.

    Another had a chunk of their calf ripped off by a loose dog and a health worker was bitten on the thigh, Dr Clohesy said. He added it was “only a matter of time” before someone was killed by camp dogs, common at many remote communities across the Territory.

    The NT News knows of one remote doctor who was unable to get to work unless she was picked up from her home and returned each day.

    Dr Clohesy said the doctor’s situation was not unique. He said he was once forced to trek 5km through scrub near Lajamanu to bypass “lethal” dogs to get to the community’s clinic, which would ordinarily have been a 1km journey.

    He said local councils left themselves open to “massive legal risk” if someone was killed by dogs.

    An East Arnhem Regional Council spokeswoman said euthanasia of problem dogs was a “last resort”. Animal welfare by-laws are being developed by the council.

    NT News complete article.

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On the other hand, its the ATO, an organisation that spends a great deal of time polishing its image, both outside and within the APS.

    If you believe ATO propaganda, then both the agency collectively and its and its employees individually are intelligent, innovative, forward-thinking, flexible, ethical, compassionate and client-focussed.

    I’m finding all this fvcking hilarious. A few years ago, a member of my family made serious complainants against a senior officer in the A.T.O. Said senior officer muddied the waters and dragged out the complaint for four years, by which time the investigator concluded that they couldn’t decide whether the officer had misbehaved or not. (Unfortunately there was an interim report released, recommending that charges should have been laid…)

    However, at each turn, we were reminded what fine, upstanding pillars of the community, and what senior and most distinguished public servants comprised the Australian Tax Office.

  221. notafan

    I went to a Catholic girls secondary school in the 70s and there was no such thing as corporal punishment.

    Never, not once, none of my friends’ schools either.

    At primary school a couple of lay teachers were into hitting and humiliation, never the nuns.

    The boys got cuts, afaik, my brothers never personally had that experience.

    I did say, in some families,not all.

  222. test pattern

    ‘I love to see you testify about this under oath’

    I have offered. But not on the bible. When the Royal Commission was announced I googled the name of the priest. I was appalled, but then appalling is the nature of the Catholic Church, to see that he was leading a ‘prayer group’ dedicated to victims of sexual abuse. I was further appalled to see that the Order involved isn’t even mentioned among abusers. Just appalling.

  223. test pattern

    No APPEA today, I’m taking my guests to see Alien Covenant. I suggested Kings Park but they want aliens.

    In case the bigots here, of which there are many, still don’t understand why industry leaders love Yazza so much, let me explain. It doesn’t matter what she says. O&G and mining in general are perceived to have abused the indigenous peoples of the world, and of course the environment. With someone like Yazza inside the tent, it’s a publicists dream. She says ‘We’re good guys.’ She is cheap CSR. I tried something similar with Freeport, with much less promising material. But in the end, you can’t convince people that what they see every day isn’t real. You can, however, get paid a lot to try. Mining needs Yazza. Yazza needs money. Win Win.

  224. notafan

    Much bigger than Cranston father son

    The revelation comes as the AFP wraps up an eight-month investigation, codenamed Operation Elbrus, conducted with assistance from ATO investigators, culminating with 28 search warrants in Sydney, Wollongong and the Southern Highlands.

    The AFP arrested and charged nine people on 17 May for their association with a syndicate allegedly responsible for the $165 million tax fraud against the Australian Government.

    Six people were charged with conspiracy to defraud the Commonwealth for their alleged role in the syndicate, while two men were charged with money laundering offences.


    and here

  225. test pattern

    A more measured contribution than from the hysterical aust msm, from Foreign Policy in Focus.

    ‘The latest election in Indonesia was not about radical Islam triumphing over pluralism.’

    http://fpif.org/jakartas-election-and-alternatives-to-us-policy-towards-muslims/

  226. incoherent rambler

    Did they offer advice on cause ? Is there a family history like others have mentioned ? Dietary advice ?
    calli

    Everybody has them by the time they are thirty (I was told).
    The problem is when they dislodge.

  227. Nick

    The Tax Department:
    I pay an outstanding debt over the phone to a tax officer.
    That same day, they send a demand note, due, after the letter had been received, for the payment actually made.
    They hassle my accountant via phone for weeks saying it hasn’t been paid.
    I send my accountant my cc statement details along with the Reserve bank receipt, showing payment had been made.
    They still hassle my accountant, ringing her later, to say ‘they’d found it’.
    I get a demand letter yesterday for the amount that had been paid (that they’d found) plus another amount paid on the day it was due.
    The demand letter was sent the day the tax was due and paid.

    They are inept, seriously.

  228. Nick

    Sorry, that should be they sent a demand note, due before the letter actually arrived, for a payment that had been made.

  229. Myrddin Seren

    The search warrant activity also saw members from the AFP-led Criminal Assets Confiscation Taskforce (CACT) seize significant assets suspected to be the proceeds of crime.

    These assets include luxury residential houses, funds in bank accounts, luxury cars, boats, motorbikes and aircraft.

    Just need hookers, guns and White Viagra and – et voila – Underbelly ATO !

    Given the AFP Swat Team deployed – the guns may make an appearance yet.

    Given the ostentatious displays of inexplicable wealth – one might suspect that the hookers will appear in the story too.

  230. Boambee John

    Fat Tony at 1421

    Ah, St Mary’s CBC in West Street?

    Knew it well, went past it often.

  231. Are there ever any criminal matters in NSW that do not involve either Eddie Obeid or Graham Richardson?

    Possibly the Milat case, but that’s about it.

  232. Hoges is probably watching this ATO disaster and cheering to the rafters.

  233. .

    Nick
    #2383241, posted on May 18, 2017 at 4:16 pm
    Sorry, that should be they sent a demand note, due before the letter actually arrived, for a payment that had been made.

    Appropriate music.

  234. stackja

    Anthony Bell and Kelly Landry: AVO dismissed by magistrate
    Daily Telegraph
    33 mins ago – AN APPREHENDED Violence Order against accountant to the stars Anthony Bell has been dismissed by a magistrate who said he was “not satisfied” his TV star wife Kelly Landry needed it for her protection.

    And the scandal sheet coverage is now forgotten?

  235. Libby Zee

    Given the AFP Swat Team deployed – the guns may make an appearance yet.

    The link upthread to the story does mention guns:

    raids in Sydney yesterday seized 25 motor vehicles, a dozen motorcycles, 18 residential properties, over 100 bank accounts holding over $15m, $1m of cash from a safe deposit box, firearms, jewellery, vintage wines and even a pair of aircraft

  236. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have offered.

    So you didn’t then.
    Well done.

  237. test pattern

    ‘Ex-Mossad head Shavit: US president is like a ‘bull in a china shop… If tomorrow I were asked to pass information to the CIA, I would do everything I could to not pass it to them’

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-israeli-spymasters-rip-into-trump-say-israel-must-reassess-intel-sharing/

  238. .

    Damn. Kelly Landry. Hot crazy matrix confirmed.

  239. Leigh Lowe

    duncanm
    #2383216, posted on May 18, 2017 at 3:53 pm
    Leigh — exactly what I said quite a few comments back.

    Sorry.
    I didn’t scroll back.
    Here’s the other thing.
    This sounds like a fairly crude fraud … simply skimming PAYG payroll remittances. I know the ATO will try to blind everyone with big numbers (“millions of taxpayers, billions of dollars”) but that is bullshit. The matching process is as simple as it gets … match a unique individual TFN to unique employer ABN and see if the dollars agree. There are 10 million auditors out there. That is, if I have paid $25,000 in tax but my Payment Summary says $19,000 and the ATO only credits me with $19,000, I raise all hell. And please … can we hold off on the “it’s more complex than you think LL” … it is just a giant game of snap involving a monster computer.
    I know IT makes a joke of it, but why not a RC into the ATO? If this has gone on over more than one tax year they have got some massive internal control holes.
    And, if it has only gone on for one tax year, Cranston Jnr must be incredibly fucking stupid to think he wouldn’t come unstuck about July-August when the big reconciliation is done. Cranston Snr must have told him how the system works. If their are control problems the ATO must be shitting themselves that every dodgy small business will chance their arm with PAYG now.

  240. incoherent rambler

    So the ATO is a trusted organization.

    A quick poll. Does anyone here trust them?

    (Not expecting an answer)

  241. Top Ender

    They hassle my accountant via phone for weeks saying it hasn’t been paid.
    I send my accountant my cc statement details along with the Reserve bank receipt, showing payment had been made.
    They still hassle my accountant, ringing her later, to say ‘they’d found it’.

    Send them an invoice for the time involved in answering their “vexatious inquiry”.

    The invoice goes around and around in their system. After a month send them another with a “processing and late fee” added.

    Sometimes it works. I have received several hundreds from a very large phone company this way.

    Plus you get a lot of satisfaction out of it.

  242. notafan

    The matching process is as simple as it gets … match a unique individual TFN to unique employer ABN and see if the dollars agree

    I don’t think they have done that for years,. It appears that the ATO had a total per employing entity remittance/ withholding matching threshold that the scammers were keeping under.

  243. OneWorldGovernment

    areff
    #2383160, posted on May 18, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    Apart from Father Byrne, a sadistic prick for whom Hell cannot be hot enough, the most vicious masters were all lay teachers. The Jacks were a pretty easy touch when you figured out how to handle them.

    areff,

    Do you remember the name of the Burke Hall ‘headmaster’ who was sent over from Kostka?

  244. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    If this has gone on over more than one tax year they have got some massive internal control holes.

    Jeez I hope so.

    About the only way an honest man can survive in Australia is getting a little bit funky at tax time.

  245. incoherent rambler

    The ATO scamsters had excellent potential to graduate to serious scamming in the multi-billion league.

    Like getting RET subsidies for not making baseload power.

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