Wednesday Forum: August 9, 2017

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  1. Fergus

    Met one of the Enforcers. Probably couldn’t survive a hour long blackout with a well stocked fridge.

  2. C.L.

    What all of this highlights and proves is that the Australian “Army” is no longer intended to fight wars. The SAS and commandos do the fighting. The broader Australian “Defence” “Force” is just an arts faculty-like branch of the public service. Please note that this is occurring under a Liberal government; it is not irrelevant that the two defence portfolios are filled by a childless female fatty and a closeted homosexual.

  3. calli

    What all of this highlights and proves is that the Australian “Army” is no longer intended to fight wars.

    It’s for post disaster cleanup. But unfit wymmyn can’t do that either. I’m picturing them, decked out in cammo, giving orders to ever-ageing Rotarians and Lions.

    Who will disobey with glee.

  4. Senile Old Guy

    The Australian Army has “put a ban” on male recruits in a bid to increase female ranks — and new fitness tests have been slashed to four push-ups and 20 sit-ups.

    F*ck me. I’m retirement age, and asthmatic, with more than a few health issues, but I could do that! Utterly absurd.

  5. OldOzzie

    The US is smarter than Australia

    Secret Syrian trips revealed by Victorian MP who was blocked from entering the US

    A VICTORIAN MP refused entry to the United States during official parliamentary business last month has been caught lying about visits to Syria this year.

    Deputy president of the Legislative Council, Khalil Eideh, on Thursday admitted to the Herald Sun he took two trips to the war-torn country, in April and July.

    On his return to Australia after being denied entry to the US, Mr Eideh said he had last been in Syria “last Christmas”.

    But the Herald Sun has now confirmed with the Labor MP that he visited family in Syria while on a trip to Lebanon in July. This followed an earlier trip in April.

    Mr Eideh was to meet US officials today regarding what he called “embarrassing” treatment in being denied entry. No reason for it has been given, but sources have pointed to his links to Syria.

    A search of his social media accounts reveals anti-US material, including a video he shared in May with an Arabic post referring to US President Donald Trump as a “criminal demon face”.

    Mr Eideh has previously come under fire for an October 2002 letter, five months before the Iraq invasion, professing loyalty to Syrian dictator Bashar al- Assad and highlighting threats of “Zionist and colonial attacks on the Arab nation’’

    The Lebanon-born Mr Eideh, who has family in Syria, was stopped at Vancouver airport in Canada while on a parliamentary trip last month. He was given no reason for the refusal of entry to the US.

    When confronted about his secret trips at parliament on Thursday, the veteran Western Metropolitan Region Upper House MP admitted them, but said it was “all my expenses” and not taxpayer-funded.

    He said he visited Lebanon with a medical delegation in July. Asked if he had also gone to Syria he said he always visited family when he could.

    “Of course, I have my father there, every time I have the opportunity. He is 90 and he can’t travel back,’’ he said.

    “We have got family in Lebanon and Syria. It is normal.

    “The thing is, you don’t need a passport. You can go (across the border). You just need a proper ID and you can go up and down.’’

    Mr Eideh is a dual Syrian-Australian citizen, and it is understood he regularly returns to Syria to visit family. There is no suggestion he did anything wrong by doing so.

    Apart from the anti-Trump post on his Facebook account, Mr Eideh also shared a post that refers to US senator John McCain as a Zionist. Some posts are also supportive of Syrian leader Mr Assad.

    Mr Eideh confirmed the Facebook page was his, but said he did not remember posting the video. “I don’t know if it is hacking … I would never post anything like this. No way.”

    Questioned in parliament this week on whether Mr Eideh had taken any trips this year, the government’s leader in the Upper House, Gavin Jennings, said: “Mr Eideh … has family in Syria and he has visited his family in Syria, and he has made it very clear to me … he feels a great obligation to visit his father in Syria. That is the basis on which he has visited that country.’’

    Parliamentary secretary to the Leader of the Opposition Tim Smith questioned why Mr Eideh had lied about the visits.

    “When our police and security agencies are stretched to track Islamic State terrorists trying to return from the battlegrounds of Syria, it is unforgivable that a senior member of (the) government would make their job harder by publicly denying his regular visits there,’’ Mr Smith said.

  6. Mother Lode

    Lord Mayor Clover Moore, who this week announced she had “negotiated an agreement” with Priestly, declined to distance herself from him yesterday.

    This Priestly guy decides to take over a part of the city – public land. An area deliberately to be chosen as most in your face for people who frequent there, and certainly something tourists will not be wrapped by as their photos keep showing shabby gaudily coloured heaps of grimy rags, tended by unwashed human detritus.

    Clover’s response is to negotiate with them as if they had some standing of valid claim to trade.

    She really is a moronic creature.

    I realise, of course, that there is no real conflict because of her progressive agenda. She likely thinks she has done well. She is not moronic for doing something she did not intend, but because she thought what she intended was worth doing.

  7. Clover Moore is consistently reelected. This tells you something about city electorates.

  8. johanna

    Qaumi was placed into isolation after a 7cm long phone and 6.1g of white powder, believed to be steroids, were allegedly found hidden in his underwear

    And this is the “Supermax” prison?

    Hate to think what the rest of them must be like.

  9. calli

    The only “agreement” Moore should have negotiated is the water temperature in the canon.

  10. srr

    Mark A
    #2465237, posted on August 11, 2017 at 6:36 am

    notafan
    #2465233, posted on August 11, 2017 at 6:33 am

    Dot’s position on the buying and selling children as chattel possessions is appalling.

    Spot on.
    I know we disagree on the current pope and his actions but on this, we are comrades in arms.

    Why stop there?

    notafan
    #2465233, posted on August 11, 2017 at 6:33 am
    Dot’s position on the buying and selling children as chattel possessions is appalling.

    Even if its intention is altruistic.

    Even Catholics can be responsible about how many children they have, it just requires a modicum of self control.

    Parents as breeding pairs, selling off surplus to requirements.

    What’s next, quality control?

    Auction to the highest bidder?

    Yep, as usual there’s always ‘christiancharity suckholiness given to those who argue for babies and children to be tradable commodities, when those Pro-Child Slavers are like Dot, and keep updating their Stasi “Unperson” List.

    Call them out for what they are though, and OMG! you also get ‘Listed’ as, ‘The worstest, most horriblest person EVA!‘, by those, ‘christian‘, and other ‘nice‘ ‘lady‘ cats. 🙄

  11. Roger

    Turnbull should have made Abbott Defence minister.

    We are going to pay dearly for his mean spiritedness.

  12. lotocoti

    I suspect a shake up* for Marise Payne wouldn’t be much more than Sit, Stand.
    Although the hated Duck Waddle is probably her preferred mode of ambulation.
    *Being PT’d ’til you threw up.

  13. TRUMP’S FAULT?? The Truth About North Korea

    The false narratives only work at all because they direct them at 9 year olds that can’t remember the Paris terror attack let alone Bill Clinton’s impotent leadership.

  14. Senile Old Guy

    I think I have woken up in an alternative reality.

    Deputy president of the Legislative Council, Khalil Eideh, on Thursday admitted to the Herald Sun he took two trips to the war-torn country, in April and July.

    Why is this person an MP let alone Deputy President of the LC?

    On his return to Australia after being denied entry to the US, Mr Eideh said he had last been in Syria “last Christmas”. But the Herald Sun has now confirmed with the Labor MP that he visited family in Syria while on a trip to Lebanon in July. This followed an earlier trip in April.

    And he’s lying about visiting a country of terrorists.

    Mr Eideh was to meet US officials today regarding what he called “embarrassing” treatment in being denied entry. No reason for it has been given, but sources have pointed to his links to Syria. A search of his social media accounts reveals anti-US material, including a video he shared in May with an Arabic post referring to US President Donald Trump as a “criminal demon face”.

    This is a Victorian MP.

    Mr Eideh has previously come under fire for an October 2002 letter, five months before the Iraq invasion, professing loyalty to Syrian dictator Bashar al- Assad and highlighting threats of “Zionist and colonial attacks on the Arab nation’’.

    This is a Victorian MP.

    Apart from the anti-Trump post on his Facebook account, Mr Eideh also shared a post that refers to US senator John McCain as a Zionist. Some posts are also supportive of Syrian leader Mr Assad. Mr Eideh confirmed the Facebook page was his, but said he did not remember posting the video. “I don’t know if it is hacking … I would never post anything like this. No way.”

    Oh, I believe him…yeah, right.

  15. val majkus

    She really is a moronic creature.

    +1

  16. Top Ender

    Could he be claiming the Aged Pension?

    Nice one OO!

    Recommend you write this as a letter to as many newspapers and comment sites you can – maybe someone in a position of authority somewhere will take it up.

  17. Boambee John

    Fat Tony at 2243

    Next, it will be post-birth “abortions”.

    Perhaps some of the people involved could be given one? NADT, of course, but it would be fascinating should the legal eagle for an accused murderer try such a line of defence should “post-birth abortions” become legal.

  18. notafan

    Mr Eideh was hacked but left the post up.

    Perfectly believable.

  19. notafan

    Oldozzie I went with Simple a month ago for both shop and home.

    I got 43% off for electricity at the shop, 42% off for the 🏠 and 27% off for gas at home.

    I wouldn’t suggest settling for anything less.

    The first contact via a Google search was with some sort of intermediary company, better deal when I spoke to Simple directly.

  20. notafan

    Perhaps our resident chip spitter could consider.

    At one stage I thought dot had converted to the Orthodox Church.

    We live in hope.


    What is Christian charity

  21. Rabz

    Lanz Priestly has crafted a web of misdirection about almost every part of his life, refusing to answer questions about a business of which he was a director and using a list of aliases across the country. While Mr Priestly says he is 72 years old, police and company records, and a former close friend, say he is 59.

    Could he be claiming the Aged Pension?

    He’d be on DSP.

    BTW, has that illegal third world agglomeration of detritus been removed yet?

    No, of course not.

  22. .

    Don’t be silly SRR. Surrogacy and a wealthy family adopting a kid and paying off the mother to respect their privacy not the same as “commodifying children”.

    Expecting someone to pay for your family through coercion is clearly morally worse, it is not only legal but encouraged and I suspect the public is sadly conditioned to this modern day serfdom.

    People are commodified all of the time. What is important is that you don’t lose fundamental rights and that exchanges are fair and in the best interests of those lacking full capacity. The last example fails that test.

  23. Roger

    Someone remarked to me yesterday that while the Qld Teachers’ Union had been agitating for some years to have religious (i.e. Christian) instruction curtailed or banned from Qld state schools they have also been encouraging the practice of the Islamic faith by providing prayer rooms for Muslim students. I have been unable to confirm that, but did turn up the following:

    As Christianity is being expunged from state schools across the land (with QLD fighting a rear guard action against the teachers’ union and militant atheists) the provision of prayer spaces, Halal food in canteens and even the use of halls for Friday sermons is being introduced in state schools with large Muslim cohorts. There are even reports schools with few or no Muslims in the student body are taking students on excursions to mosques to expose them to our cultural diversity. More here in a study generously funded by the Myer Foundation.

  24. Rabz

    Next, it will be post-birth “abortions”.

    As usual, South Park was way ahead of the curve with this. I remember the episode when Mrs Cartman was discussing that very concept over a post coital cigarette with Bill Clinton. I don’t think fat boy* was too happy about it.

    *Eric, not Bubba.

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    From Weatherzone, courtesy of Fairfax. The Dreadful Heat ™ gives winter a run for its money.

    Queensland weather: Another winter heatwave to grip southern parts of state after hottest July

  26. notafan

    Thanks dot that would explain why so many Third World countries have now banned surrogacy.

    They finally saw it for what it was.

  27. Senile Old Guy

    The ABC, now an activist agency under Guthrie, continues pushing SSM:

    Bickering over campaign financing has already begun barely a day after the Government set the ball rolling on the same-sex marriage plebiscite. Tiernan Brady headed the successful Irish campaign to introduce same-sex marriage, and now heads the Yes campaign in Australia. He told AM Mr Shelton’s claims of [traditional marriage] being the underdog were a distraction. “I think most people would laugh at that when they heard it out loud,” he said.

    But the MSM, and the ABC, are all pushing SSM and denigrating traditional marriage so Tiernan Brady is telling untruths. Here’s another:

    He said the postal plebiscite had been designed to help the No campaign.

    The postal plebiscite is happening because SSM politicians have fought bitterly against every other attempt to give ordinary Australians a say.

    “This entire process is designed to put the people who believe in marriage equality at a disadvantage.”

    The entire MSM is backing SSM but “marriage equality” is at a disadvantage? Really? And “marriage equality” is a bogus and deceptive term. Why does same-sex marriage equal “marriage equality” but not polygamy or getting hitched with the beagle?

    He declined to talk directly about the sources and quantum of funding for the Yes camp’s campaign when asked.

    Of course he did.

    “No amount of money anywhere will ever replace the power of a conversation,” he said. Mr Shelton did not rule out accepting overseas money for the No campaign.

    Of course he did not.

    The Australian Bureau of Statistics is risking another massive hit to its reputation by taking on an expedited postal vote on same-sex marriage.

    The ABS does not get a choice.

    Veteran Labor-aligned political strategist Bruce Hawker is predicting an expensive and hard-fought battle ahead for both sides. He said the combined campaign spend could easily top $60 million.

    And that’s the source of the ABC headline (“Same-sex marriage plebiscite campaign spend could be upwards of $60 million”): a political strategist. At least it’s not (“they don’t matter”) Mark Textor.

  28. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #2465306, posted on August 11, 2017 at 8:48 am
    Oldozzie I went with Simple a month ago for both shop and home.

    I got 43% off for electricity at the shop, 42% off for the 🏠 and 27% off for gas at home.

    I wouldn’t suggest settling for anything less.

    The first contact via a Google search was with some sort of intermediary company, better deal when I spoke to Simple directly.

    notafan,
    thanks for that, so rather than do it online, which only gives 18% paying on time, try for a bigger discount over the phone.

    Time to extract the digital and do something on this, as have been with Energy Australia and AGL for 42 years and not once have they offered me any discounts

    Time to pull the plug on Energy Australia and AGL

  29. Haidee

    Another “winter heatwave” to grip us. lol
    The mornings are sort of coolish, still.

  30. Rabz

    political strategist Bruce Hawker

    Yep. He’s a political strategist and m0nty’s an astronaut.

  31. Mother Lode

    How on earth is this social justice parade costing us nearly 35 billion AUD a year?

    Well-being workshops, surgical procedures, and consultants for Mardi Gras floats.

  32. Des Deskperson

    “The Australian Army has “put a ban” on male recruits in a bid to increase female ranks — and new fitness tests have been slashed to four push-ups and 20 sit-ups.”

    For the record, the ADF is now denying this

    https://news.defence.gov.au/media/media-releases/diverse-adf-capable-adf

    I dunno about the ADF, but for most public and private organisations in Australia , such a ban would be unlawful.

  33. John64

    Windmills Weatherill’s clean energy utopia will be provided to Mainland Tasmania by diesel fuel burnt at the merry rate of 80,000 Litres per hour.

    It would be interesting to perform a quick calculation to estimate the Tonnes per hour of debbil debbil CO2 that will be belched into the atmosphere.

  34. Boambee John

    My minor contribution to the abortion/buy a child question.

    If the alternative is a late term abortion, then the (by far) lesser evil, if it is even evil, would be to pay the mother to have the child and then give it up for adoption.

    If this counts as “buying a child”, then I would accept “buying” a child.

    Less sure about paying a surrogate, however.

  35. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    Bruce in Newcastle – your task for the day…

    It would be interesting to perform a quick calculation to estimate the Tonnes per hour of debbil debbil CO2 that will be belched into the atmosphere. (h/t J64)

  36. dover_beach #2465292, posted on August 11, 2017 at 8:31 am

    Clover Moore is consistently reelected. This tells you something about city electorates.

    Dear Clover,

    Christmas in the UAE is notable for all the Christmas trees you will find in the Malls, shops and elsewhere, just like it used to be in Australia.

    While an advisor to the UAE Special Operations Command, I like all the western advisors received a memo from the Commander. I can’t recall the exact words but its message was clear:

    Christmas is an important and holy time for Christians so please take the week off from work and spend the time to celebrate with your families.

    Meanwhile, you are afraid to put up Christmas trees for fear of offending non-Christians.

    Thank you for revealing the depth of your stupidity.

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    F*ck me. I’m retirement age, and asthmatic, with more than a few health issues, but I could do that! Utterly absurd.

    Not only could you do it, you could self identify as a woman and breeze through selection in a heartbeat.
    Why retire?

  38. Atoms for Peace

    ABC’s percentile conundrum of the day. Did you know that only 26% of composers in Australia are female ?
    That frightening statistic demands action doncha know..

  39. Tom

    Leftards love deconstructing the society they’re trying to destroy. I’ll show you deconstruction, swampscum — from the master, James Delingpole, on the lying New York Times’ latest attempt to raise money for the climate gangsters by scaring the kiddies:

    This is #fakenews with icing and cherries on top, rings on its fingers, bells on its toes, a specially commissioned foreword by Al Gore and a rave review (“I love these lies. I could not have written better ones myself”) written from hell by the tormented shade of Josef G******ls.

    No, actually, it might even be worse than that.

    As both Steven Goddard and Paul Homewood have comprehensively demonstrated, the draft report is riddled with the most basic errors, lies, and distortions. It is a political document not a scientific one— thrown together in order to ramp up public hysteria about “global warming” and entrench the power of the climate mafia.

    RTWT

  40. Empire GTHO Phase III

    .
    #2465089, posted on August 11, 2017 at 12:30 am

    Empire GTHO Phase III
    #2465071, posted on August 11, 2017 at 12:18 am
    There is actually nothing immoral with buying and selling children.

    The buying and selling of people, regardless of age, is known as slavery.

    You realise that you work to pay for children that their parents knew they couldn’t afford – but you’d rather this than buying their children off them?

    That is a worse situation than surrogacy, for sure. In fact you have bee conditioned to your slavehood.

    Nope. I oppose both slavery in the conventional sense of classifying people as assets of others and in the indirect sense arising from the larcenous policy known as progressive taxation.

  41. Atoms for Peace

    80,000 litres diesel per hour ..approx 216 tonnes CO2 released, plus all of the other stuff.

  42. notafan

    Boambee John

    There is a clear distinction between adoption and surrogacy breeding programmes where pre conception contracts are entered into.

    Charities likes Caroline Chisholm Society (iirc) offer pregnancy support for otherwise abortion babies and an adoption pathway.

    Reality is as we all know it that there are far more wishing to adopt in Australia than there babies available.

  43. thefrolickingmole

    Ok you will need a laugh after the baby killing video so here it is.

    The Gruinaid have a “we are the real victims” piece about a bomb attack on a mosque in the USA and how Trum is Hitler as he hasnt gone on TV about it or led the investigation personaly.

    Heres the “woe is me”
    Early in the morning of 5 August, an assailant hurled a bomb through a window at the Dar Al-Farooq Islamic Center in Bloomington, Minneapolis. The device detonated, causing extensive damage to the building. Fortunately, no one was injured in the blast.

    What would a caring society do after such a frightful event? A caring society would investigate the attack, as the FBI currently is. The chance that this was an act of terrorism in a Minneapolis suburb remains high.

    Heres a link to pictures of the bomb damage.
    https://www.launchgood.com/project/support_fire_bombed_mosque_dar_al_farooq_islamic_center_in_bloomington_minn#/

    Be sure to click on the second link, its like Bomber Harris and LeMay times 1000!!
    Youd need a heart of stone not to laugh.

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    Did you know that only 26% of composers in Australia are female ?

    And whenever the ABC play Margaret Sutherland’s ‘Haunted Hills’ for the zillionth time, you hope and pray that it never rises beyond 26%.

  45. Don’t be silly SRR. Surrogacy and a wealthy family adopting a kid and paying off the mother to respect their privacy not the same as “commodifying children”.

    Oh, it’s different because it’s ‘shut up’ money dressed as ‘respecting their privacy’.

    Expecting someone to pay for your family through coercion is clearly morally worse, it is not only legal but encouraged and I suspect the public is sadly conditioned to this modern day serfdom.

    Bait and switch.

    People are commodified all of the time. What is important is that you don’t lose fundamental rights and that exchanges are fair and in the best interests of those lacking full capacity. The last example fails that test.

    Oh, so now it’s “commodification all of the time’. And the child’s ‘fundamental’ right to being cared for and educated by its natural parents is ignored.

    You’re all over the shop, dot.

  46. incoherent rambler

    SSM campaign. Unholy things to shoved down my throat and stuffed in my slot (aka letterbox).

    It is going to be an uncomfortable couple months.

  47. Haidee

    Avoid late-term abortion “. . . pay the mother to have the child, then give it up for adoption . . .”

    Sad to say, you’ll find the women/girls don’t want to do that. Pay them? Some might take the money.
    Mostly it’s a case of: the infant is dead; so, easier to move on.

  48. Senile Old Guy

    The entry standards for ADF recruitment have not been reduced.

    All entrants into the Army are still required to meet the Army’s entry standards of a shuttle run score of 7.5 and 45 sit ups 15 push-ups (male) and eight push-ups (female) prior to commencing the Army.

    From Des D’s link, the above. Females have to do only half the number of push ups as the guys. Will the enemy be so accommodating.

    F*ck me. I’m retirement age, and asthmatic, with more than a few health issues, but I could do that! Utterly absurd.

    Not only could you do it, you could self identify as a woman and breeze through selection in a heartbeat. Why retire?

    Good point! But I would have to spend lots on clothes rather than booze, so no.

    ABC’s percentile conundrum of the day. Did you know that only 26% of composers in Australia are female ?
    That frightening statistic demands action doncha know..

    “Ve hafe vays to make you compose!”

  49. Stimpson J. Cat

    Please stop talking about children Dot.
    It’s really not your bailiwick.
    You and Monty are not allowed to mention children for a month.

  50. thefrolickingmole

    Stimpson J. Cat

    My child is gifted.
    Mother is already channeling his likes/dislikes as far as jobs that need doing around the house 4 months before hes born.

    We are already calling him doctor and have mapped out his path to success and happiness, what could possibly go wrong?

  51. Mother Lode

    I saw the picture of Angus Campbell that accompanied the Telegraph’s story.

    His uniform was clearly sized for the men that used to wear it. It hangs off him.

    And the posture with the shoulders slumping so he can hold his hands in front.

    If he is trying to stop men signing up, a poster of him in the recruitment offices with the lines “If you sign up – this man will be your leader.”

    That should do it.

    A tilted head and one of those insipid timid smiles would seal the deal even more emphatically.

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    And the child’s ‘fundamental’ right to being cared for and educated by its natural parents is ignored.

    Everyone knows that eventually the child goes looking for their real parents.
    I wonder why?
    It’s one of those open secrets no one talks about.

  53. notafan

    Moley that fire bomb footage was amazing.

    Didn’t even knock the aspidistra off its stand or break a single light.

    Or start a 🔥, for that matter.

  54. John Constantine

    Robot lawyers now.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/10/stockmarket-crash-how-slater-and-gordon-became-a-casualty-of-the-neoliberal-dream

    Loathsome git, but an insider laying out how to factory farm the proles through the legal system like broiler chickens is interesting.

  55. incoherent rambler

    80,000 litres diesel per hour.

    Assume a bad month for roonables.

    80,000 @ $1.25 per litre = $100,000.00 per hour

    $100,000.00 * 24 * 30 = $72,000,000.00 per month (57,600,000 litres per month)

    or 80,000 litres per hour is at least 2 diesel tankers per hour (trucker check required)

  56. C.L.

    Surrogacy is simply prostitution.
    Elton John and his “spouse” paid an Asian woman (IIRC) to have “their” baby.
    He wasn’t castigated for the misogynistic racism of this because gay celebrity.

  57. C.L.

    Next, it will be post-birth “abortions”.

    What do you mean, next?

  58. Des Deskperson

    ‘If he is trying to stop men signing up, a poster of him in the recruitment offices with the lines “If you sign up – this man will be your leader.”’

    Someone told me that his dad was a Brigadier.

    The ADF leadership, like areas of the APS, seems to be rapidly becoming an hereditary caste.

  59. H B Bear

    Loathsome git, but an insider laying out how to factory farm the proles through the legal system like broiler chickens is interesting.

    Teh Grauniads subs are as useless as their journalists,

    The law firm had an illustrious heritage as a protector of working people and boasted Julia Gillard among its former staff. Guardian columnist Richard Ackland looks at its grand stock market experiment and how it all went wrong

    Yeah most firms boast about employees they have constructively dismissed, particularly when they keep transcripts of their exit interviews.

  60. incoherent rambler

    Do we have tankers that can pump 80,000 litres per hour?

  61. .

    Yes, Dover, you need to explain why it isn’t different. There is no bait and switch because one of the alternatives is exactly as I describe. It is a choice, not a trick. The right to “being cared for and educated by your natural parents” is a fundamental right? When was this ever considered a fundamental right? Seriously, can you name any authority that says this or something very similar? How is it a right at all if you are living in squalor? The enormity of calling it a fundamental right demands that it have few or no reasons to dispense with it.

    Now you need to tell me why children removed from incompetent parents is different to those removed from indigent parents. You also need to justify widows looking after their children without special pleading or retreating from making an actual argument and bemoaning “the level of debate”.

    This isn’t like a Persian Dwarf making out with a Furry Alcoholic.

  62. calli

    We are already calling him doctor and have mapped out his path to success and happiness, what could possibly go wrong?

    Snort. That reminds me of women who draw up “labour plans”.

  63. Snoopy

    Someone upthread mentioned this: SBS being forced to apologise for anti-israel bias in news report.

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/08/09/australian-state-broadcaster-forced-to-apologize-for-biased-israel-reporting/

    Both the ABC and SBS rely heavily on Al Jazeera news feeds for their MENA reporting. I suspect that the Al Jazeera feeds are provided free or almost so. Fortuitously the AJ biases are a neat fit for those of the ABC and SBS as their locally written introductions demonstrate.

  64. calli

    Didn’t even knock the aspidistra off its stand or break a single light.

    But it has raised US20K and counting.

    Not a bad day’s beat-up.

  65. OldOzzie

    AUSTRAC case: Meet Fung and Foong

    AUSTRAC Commonwealth Bank case: How the money was laundered

    Young Chinese national Jizhang Lu took shopping bags full of cash to the offices of meat export company CC&B International, where staff counted the money before handing him fake invoices for vast quantities of beef or lamb.

    CC&B staff then took the cash – $3.2 million in total during July and August of 2015 – to the Chatswood branch of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia and deposited it there. The money was later transferred offshore.

    Lu is now serving a two-year jail sentence for money laundering in connection to an ice importation and manufacture ring.

    He is one of a cast of characters whose criminal activity was aided by what the Australian Transaction Reports in Analysis Centre (AUSTRAC) will allege was a lax approach by CBA that allowed suspicious transactions valued at $625 million.

    CBA faces big penalties for allegedly ignoring warnings about potentially illegal cash transactions being made using the bank’s network of automated teller machines. Four criminal syndicates are identified in the AUSTRAC statement of claim lodged on August 3.

    While Lu was part of syndicate 3, Yuen Hong Fung, 44, and Kha Weng Foong, 43, are members of syndicate 1, which involved the use of dozens of fake identities to open CBA accounts.

    Both are experienced fraudsters. Fung, who arrived in Australia on a student visa in 1991, had previously been deported three times after serving time for fraud, only to return again and again under assumed identities.

    Between the time of his second deportation in 2003 and third deportation in 2012, he moved in and out of the country 29 times. And after he was deported on July 28, 2012, he re-entered another 15 times before being arrested on August 24, 2015. He was sentenced to another six years, four months in jail in July of this year.

    Foong has form too. He appeared in court in Sydney in 2009 over a credit card scam involving the manufacture of hundreds of fake cards. Police who raided his home allegedly found blank cards and computer software designed to make credit cards and Medicare cards.

    Foong is serving five years, three months. In searches of the homes of Foong and Fung, police found mobile phones, sim cards, drivers’ licences and utility bills all carefully labelled to match the names of 11 CBA accounts used to launder $5 million.

    Foong’s photograph featured on most. None of the names were real and some of the addresses didn’t even exist. All accounts were opened online.

    Foong told police he was unemployed and worked for cash. Upon his arrest at Eastgardens in Sydney’s east, he told police he had $200,000 in his car. They later found $8000 in bundles of $100 notes at his Petersham home.

    But it was Fung who was transferring the money from the fake CBA accounts to Hong Kong.

    According to court documents,, Lu was part of a much larger operation that saw $17 million deposited into CBA accounts by CC&B staff at Chatswood and Springvale between February and August of 2015.

    Lu told police he agreed to drop off the bags after meeting another man in Chatswood who asked for his help “after some chatting”. Lu could not identify the man and insisted he did not know he was carrying cash, although he came to suspect as much.

    A police statement of agreed facts dated October 5, 2016, and seen by The Australian Financial Review says the company held nine bank accounts with CBA. The crime group found that between February and August of 2015, deposits totalling $17.6 million were made into those accounts.

    On each of eight occasions Lu made deposits, he carried in reusable green and white “enviro bags” containing several hundred thousand dollars. On July 24, 2015, for example, he turned up at 2pm carrying $318,000, which he handed to staff. They gave him a receipt that suggested he had purchased 13,400 kilograms of mutton and lamb in the name of another Chinese company.

    Police alleged no such sale ever took place. They found phone messages sent between “persons of interest including the offender” that referred to the best time to meet the “master” to “eat beef”.

    According to the AUSTRAC statement of claim against CBA, Foong and Fung were at it for much longer than detailed in the court documents associated with their arrest and sentencing, as seen by the Financial Review.

    In all, they were part of a ring that over 18 months between Christmas of 2014 and August of 2015 deposited approximately $20 million in cash into CBA machines into 29 fake accounts.

    Each deposit was deliberately less than $10,000, which is threshold at which the bank is required to report transactions to AUSTRAC.

    By July 2015, both the AFP and the CBA were well aware of money laundering by the duo. According to court documents, they had allegedly already laundered around $14 million in a pattern of behaviour that had authorities alarmed. Nevertheless, the men would allegedly go on to launder another $5 million in July and August of that year.

    The AFP pressured the bank to escalate their request for documents “to the highest priority at CBA” noting $21 million had been laundered by the syndicate and five people arrested, including Foong, Fung and three others in Hong Kong.

    The bank agreed to close the accounts, but wrote to the the account holders to give them 30 days notice. The chief account was not frozen until September 17 and a month later it was still pending closure.

    According to police documents, Foong and another unidentified man worked hardest to wash the money. They spent days visiting different CBA ATMs in Sydney, depositing wads of cash. They would stand at machines making multiple deposits from the same fake identify to the same account within minutes of each other and then repeat the same process with another account.

    Within a month, Foong made 182 transactions into 11 fake accounts totalling $1.4 million. The unidentified man made a further 172 transactions worth $1.6 in another month-long period.

  66. Baldrick

    Haidee
    #2465339, posted on August 11, 2017 at 9:18 am

    Fuck off Septimus you troll

  67. C.L.

    The right to “being cared for and educated by your natural parents” is a fundamental right? When was this ever considered a fundamental right?

    LOL.

    You also need to justify widows looking after their children …

    Yay! The widow distraction squirrel. Haven’t seen it for a while.
    Look, dummy: when a husband or wife dies, leaving only one parent, that is universally seen as a tragedy and a setback. When deciding in whose charge IVF babies or adoption prospects are given, we have a moral responsibility to ensure they are gifted the best possible parental situation. That means a man and a woman in a heterosexual relationship. We don’t say, ‘hey, let’s give them to one person because widows.’

  68. Haidee

    I don’t like reading Dot’s unfair criticism of srr.
    But Dot’s arguments (re children) do make sense.

  69. Haidee

    First, wiping up
    and then – glue on envelopes

  70. .

    First, feed Precious.

    Second, hose bitch in the well.

  71. Baldrick

    Careful Septimus. You remember that undertaking you’ve given Doomlord and your medications.

  72. Mother Lode

    Paynes original idea for army fitness requirements was 4 top ups (cafe lattes), a hike with a full pack (the hike back from the fridge to the sofa with a full pack of Krispy Kremes) and waitlifting (waiting for a car to come give you a lift).

  73. Mike of Marion

    johanna
    #2465229, posted on August 11, 2017 at 6:23 am

    Back 40 years ago and any government major project HAD TO get past the scrutiny of a “Public Works Committee”.
    Matters were settled after all the plans were heavily scrutinised. Mind you there were some stuff ups!!

    There is none of that stuff today.

    Draw your plans on a serviette and just throw OPM at it – it will work or blow up but no one cares.

  74. Snoopy

    Fung and Foong are heroes to some here.

  75. OldOzzie

    Xmas card OK, but don’t mention Jesus

    I hope they allow the teachers up in Qld drive Hondas

    Haig

    Q. What’s the most biblical car to drive?

    A. A Honda. The apostles were all together in one Accord.

  76. Boambee John

    notafan at 0914

    I understand the difference.

    My point was that paying a mother to have, then give up for adoption, an otherwise unwanted child is better that aborting the child. I am aware of the wait for adoptions, which makes the concept of late term abortion far worse. There are plenty of people who would provide a good home for babies who are aborted.

    I remain uncomfortable about paid surrogacy, particularly if the mother is poor.

  77. rickw

    That’s already counted but. Total debt to GDP is 480%. If they pay normal real interest rates, they’re screwed. The other thing is they have low productivity growth.

    Isn’t the underlying issue Government Keynesian policy? Don’t most countries have exactly the same problem, hidden by stuffing the country full of 3rd worlders?

  78. calli

    LOL, Old Ozzie.

    The Beloved wants to know if that was a translation from the Greek?

  79. Mother Lode

    Did you know that only 26% of composers in Australia are female ?

    That’s nothing.

    Less than 5% of Australian women are men.

    Thank God Ros Ward is doing something about it.

  80. Boambee John

    I trust that the Wearherdill government will not be claiming the diesel fuel excise back.

    That would be an unconscionable subsidy of Gaia destroying fossil fuels. Sarc!

  81. Boambee John

    Weatherdill, not Wearherdill, but tha latter works too.

  82. Tom

    Mother Lode wins the internets!

  83. incoherent rambler

    Science lesson for the day.

    One Guacamole is equal to 6.0221415 x 10^23 Guacas.
    Avocados constant.

  84. Gab

    Trump thanks Putin for expelling US Diplomats, says it saves money.

    LOL The new kid on the block has a different way of doing things. I like his style. He’s trolling Putin.

  85. rickw

    Do we have tankers that can pump 80,000 litres per hour?

    Tanker typically won’t unload itself, there will be an unloading pump(s). Unloading rates range from 600 Lpm to 2000Lpm. If you need more than that then you typically start duplicating the unloading station.

  86. .

    There’s lots of very good practical reasons for funding space science: it pump-primes very high-tech industry, and every €1 invested in space returns an average €6 to the wider economy. But for me the best rationale isn’t economic, it’s cultural. We seek out this knowledge because it’s intrinsically important, and because it’s beautiful, and because these achievements are what a civilisation is remembered for in the end.

    Sure, why can’t Japan and Greece simply issue another 2o0% or so of GDP as debt and build space stations between here and Neptune?

    As long as they collect more than 1/6th of GDP in tax revenue, they have a perpetual motion machine.

  87. Zyconoclast

    Murray Rothbard Children and Rights

    …Applying our theory to parents and children, this means that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.
    2 The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive.
    3 (Again, whether or not a parent has a moral rather than a legally enforceable obligation to keep his child alive is a completely separate question.) This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g., by not feeding it)?4 The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such “neglect” down to a minimum.)…

  88. Myrddin Seren

    Thanks to OldOzzie for the comparison link from the SMH on electricity retailers and Nota’s recommendation on Simply Energy. Will study.

    Much appreciate people doing the filtering or pointing out where the answers are distilled down.

    Cautionary Note.

    Clicking on Simply Energy’s link I note they are a subsidiary of Engie.

    Engie is a giant French corporation.

    Like pretty much all corporatists, their new CEO is a green-left eco loon who, with the complete support of the Board, is shifting Engie out of fossil fuels as fast as she can, to save the planet.

    So keep on eye on the relative costs from different providers. Having already boned Hazelwood, I suspect Mme Kocher will look to get Engie out of Loy Yang B as soon as possible.

    Locally this means investment into solar technology and reduction of brown coal use.

    Unless of course, faced with the collapse of the grid, the State and Federal governments ‘incentivise’ Engie to defer their shift to renewballs past Engie’s Transition Plan moral crusade.

    So Simply’s present cost advantage may well disappear in due course along with the baseload grid. But for the meantime, take the cheap offers while you can.

  89. Beef

    Everyone knows that eventually the child goes looking for their real parents.
    I wonder why?
    It’s one of those open secrets no one talks about.

    Years worth of hearing everyone else around you speak of things like family trees, medical history etc.

    Basically anything that twigs you in casual conversation, or questions when friends and co-workers are relating/bragging of their genealogy and you have nothing but another’s bloodline to relate to.

    And personally the most basic thought, Why?

    If things in the late 50’s were like now I would never have existed so my thoughts on abortion are very firm as to it’s inherent barbarity.

    Hope this helps answer you a bit Stimpy. There are many things that are hard to put to words, cheers.

  90. C.L.

    Did you know that only 26% of composers in Australia are female ?
    —————-
    That’s nothing.

    Less than 5% of Australian women are men.

    Gold.

  91. Myrddin Seren

    Remember there was a discussion here the other day about Australia’s population growth and immigration, and I think we had a link to Immigration that said the Permanent Resident category was about 190,000 p.a. ?

    And a few more contributions suggested the real number would be a lot higher – student visas, Kiwis not counted etc etc ?

    m0nty provided an interesting link overnight which gives us a scale outside the formal quotas:

    Australian population growth picks up as immigration hits a 4-year high

    “Net overseas migration added 193,200 people to the population, and accounted for 55% of Australia’s total population growth, the ABS said.

    492,800 people arrived from overseas, with 299,600 departing.

    Apart from the corporatists in property development, building and retailing pressing for more consumers, 500,000 inbound resident arrivals per annum is a LOT of paper shuffling and empire building at Immigration.

    No government voluntarily shrinks itself.

    So I think we can safely assume that any arguments about reducing the levels of immigration will never make it through the Canberra Cone of Silence to reach the desks of any relevant Ministers.

    Like that former Liberal strategist said in the New Daily months ago – he has never seen a group of ministers so utterly captured by their departments.

  92. Roger

    So Simply’s present cost advantage may well disappear in due course along with the baseload grid.

    Not may well, it will disappear with coal fired baseload.

    But before then the rush to discounted rates will see the big discounts disappear in any case, as the boffins have already predicted following the energy retailer summit; the retailers won’t be able to sustain them.

    I don’t call him Maladroit for nothing, you know.

    Now, about that Snowy Hydro scheme…

  93. Beef

    I laughed when Ben Shapiro posted this about Google memo guy. Take it away Deano.

    When you summarize facts
    And the whole world attacks

    That’s Damore

  94. Yes, Dover, you need to explain why it isn’t different. There is no bait and switch because one of the alternatives is exactly as I describe. It is a choice, not a trick. The right to “being cared for and educated by your natural parents” is a fundamental right? When was this ever considered a fundamental right? Seriously, can you name any authority that says this or something very similar? How is it a right at all if you are living in squalor? The enormity of calling it a fundamental right demands that it have few or no reasons to dispense with it.

    It’s a clear non sequitur because the principle, that a child has a right to be cared for and educated by its natural parents, neither stands or falls on your example. And, yes, that principle is a fundamental right, found in the UNDHR, ICCPR, ICESCR, and UNCRC. The last of which declares:
    Article 7
    1. The child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and. as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by his or her parents.

    It’s also reflected in this or that respect in the common law.

    Now you need to tell me why children removed from incompetent parents is different to those removed from indigent parents. You also need to justify widows looking after their children without special pleading or retreating from making an actual argument and bemoaning “the level of debate”.

    Because indigent parents can still look after their children without any gross abuse or neglect, as can widows or widowers.

    You have presented one of the silliest arguments ever these two days, now capped off with your claim that ‘naturals parents have no right to care for or educate their children’.

    For Heaven’s sake.

  95. Snoopy

    I wonder how many of the 299,000 people departing are drawing the aged pension?

  96. Snoopy

    Glyposate is safe for frogs. It should be good for kids.

  97. Myrddin Seren

    F*ck me. I’m retirement age, and asthmatic, with more than a few health issues, but I could do that! Utterly absurd.

    Not only could you do it, you could self identify as a woman and breeze through selection in a heartbeat.
    Why retire?

    Refusing recruitment due to the inability to march, run, shoot or fight is ableism and ageism straight up.

    It is sheer discrimination that the sex discrimination commissioners have seized control of ADF recruiting, to the detriment of the:
    old,
    frail,
    ability-challenged,
    mental-health challenged,
    Indigenous,
    Muslim,
    LGQs, and
    Transgendered !!

    ( Did I miss anyone ? )

    We need to launch legal action on behalf of the other isms against the Sex Discrimination Commissioner hegemony !

  98. stackja

    NY mayor wants to tax rich more for subway
    Jonathan Allen, Reuters
    27 minutes ago
    New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has proposed raising taxes for the wealthiest New Yorkers to increase funding for the city’s deteriorating subway system.

    His plan, an increase in the tax rate on an individual’s income above $US500,000 ($A635,000) to 4.41 per cent from 3.876 per cent, would also fund half-price bus and subway rides for up to 800,000 of the city’s poorest residents, he said.

    The plan comes as the mayor and New York state’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, squabble over who is responsible for the nation’s largest subway system, which has suffered a surge in delays.

    “Taking responsibility is the first step toward a solution,” de Blasio told a news conference, emphasising that the system is controlled by the state.

    Cuomo controls the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the state-run corporation that operates the subway and bus system. He has the power to close it down without consulting the mayor, as he did before a winter storm in 2015.

    Cuomo says the city should contribute more from its own coffers since it technically owns the subway system, a point echoed by newly appointed MTA Chairman Joe Lhota.

    “The good news is that Mayor de Blasio has acknowledged New York City’s significant ownership of the New York City Transit Authority and the fact that new funding is needed to modernise the subway system,” Lhota said in a statement.

    “The bad news is that the Mayor has not acknowledged that the MTA needs funding today.”

    De Blasio, a Democrat, said his plan would raise an additional $US700 million in 2018 for the subway and bus system, and that the additional revenue could be used to borrow more funding even sooner.

    About 32,000 of the city’s wealthiest residents would see their taxes rise, de Blasio said. The plan would need approval from the Republican-controlled New York Senate, which is averse to tax increases.

    The city contributes about $US1.6 billion a year toward operating costs, on top of the nearly $US6 billion that comes in from New Yorkers and visitors using the system. The city has also committed to giving about $US2 billion toward the MTA’s $US32.5 billion long-term improvement plans, while the state has committed about $US9.3 billion.

    Only 63 per cent of subway trains have arrived on time this year, down from 85 per cent six years ago, according to MTA data. In June, a subway derailment injured 34 people.

  99. Tom

    Wasting your breath, Dover. Dot is an immoral little twerp. And he’ll be like that when he’s 80. He’s unteachable. Autism is a nice word for sociopathy.

  100. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hope this helps answer you a bit Stimpy. There are many things that are hard to put to words, cheers.

    Well I got one am glad you exist.
    Otherwise I would be talking to myself again.

  101. Carpe Jugulum

    Peter Stuyvestant
    #2465384, posted on August 11, 2017 at 10:11 am

    Agent Turnbull should be considered a plant and a traitor. He has been foisted on us. We cannot be stupid about an attack on our armed forces.

    I just agreed with something Styvo wrote.

    I need to have a lay down.

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    Autism is a nice word for sociopathy.

    No it’s not.
    Sociopathy is a nice word for psychopathy.
    Aspergers is a nice word for autism.

    They are all related because of the one thing they have in common… the brain.

  103. Fergus

    The “new” kid on the block has been hosting the world’s movers and shakers for decades. Probably there isn’t a “secret” he doesn’t know about.
    The media are stupid thinking he’s stupid. Every day they miss stories.
    Look at these beauties
    https://www.trumpgolf.com/Our-Courses

  104. John constantine

    The State reports net mass migration numbers to the media.

    Australian citizens moving overseas for a while have right of return.

    The gross number of arrivals drives demographic and voting change, not the net number.

  105. Stimpson J. Cat

    I need to have a lay down.

    Nekomimi?

    😁

  106. C.L.

    Dot, get in here and apologise for your widow distraction squirrel.

  107. .

    The conservative basis for children being raised by their birth parents is a 1989 UN treaty. Shocking.

    Because indigent parents can still look after their children without any gross abuse or neglect, as can widows or widowers.

    Let’s be honest, they can’t, everyone else is paying for them. Maybe they could and even do a better job themselves, but we’d have to admit public education is a massive waste of money and make work scheme.

    It might be a fair compromise that if you cannot educate your children as you wish and that you do not foot the bill yourself. The problem is that someone pays and they are not paying voluntarily.

    There is nothing wrong austerity or even reasonable child labour, but the idea that being brought up in squalor is in the best interests of the child is absurd. Let’s say you have a single mother and one child. Look at the rent on a 2 bedroom unit or house in Doonside right now. $310 a week minimum. $65 a week left over for other expenses. If we’re going to use UN treaties as authority, then why can’t the taxpayer demand they move to a regional town where the rent is half? The child will be objectively better off. This is just a matter of practicality. This is on top of the reason that if you pay for something, you should have a stake in it.

    capped off with your claim that ‘naturals parents have no right to care for or educate their children’.

    No, I’ve said nothing of the sort.

  108. Chris

    I need to have a lay down.

    Catgirls – they is for Caturday.
    Unless its a laydown misere.

  109. rickw

    Agent Turnbull should be considered a plant and a traitor. He has been foisted on us. We cannot be stupid about an attack on our armed forces.

    The armed forces are done, it will be up to the rest off us.

    Currently at 100 sit-ups / 30 push-ups a day, working towards 100/50. 🙂

  110. Apart from the corporatists in property development, building and retailing pressing for more consumers, 500,000 inbound resident arrivals per annum is a LOT of paper shuffling and empire building at Immigration.

    No government voluntarily shrinks itself.

    So I think we can safely assume that any arguments about reducing the levels of immigration will never make it through the Canberra Cone of Silence to reach the desks of any relevant Ministers.

    No government should voluntarily shrink the economy either. Keating learned that the hard way. Any PM who engineers a preventable recession is not going to be PM for long.

    You lot have the luxury of pretending that demand doesn’t matter, but those with accountable power and responsibilities don’t.

  111. thefrolickingmole

    Probing the great mysteries of the universe…

    Men from poor families twice as likely to be single, IFS study finds
    One in three men from disadvantaged backgrounds are single at age of 42, compared with one in seven from rich families

    In breaking news water wet, fire hot, womans biological and common sense imperative to find a suitable mate still exists..

    The IFS said this was the result both of lower marriage rates and a higher likelihood of relationship breakdown among men from low-income families. Men from low-income households were more than twice as likely to be divorced as those from high-income backgrounds – 11% rather than 5% – and almost twice as likely never to have been married (36% rather than 20%).
    ..

    I wonder if Google have tried to sack them yet?

  112. calli

    Just because it’s Friday and Stimpy’s covered anime.

  113. notafan

    I don’t know why your bother with taxation argument dot

    Even with onerous taxation many people still support third world indigent, particularly when there are wars or natural disasters.

    No doubt without welfare there would be far less voluntarily indigent but those many would still support the remaining.

    It is called charity.

    That you think being poor means you should lose parental rights is bizarre.

  114. OldOzzie

    Google cancels staff meeting on diversity, citing safety fears

    Google cancelled a company-wide meeting about diversity just before it was set to begin, saying right-wing websites published the names of employees who had proposed questions, raising security concerns.

    Google chief executive Sundar Pichai said in an email to employees that the company decided to cancel the highly anticipated meeting after employees expressed concerns “about their safety and worried they may be ‘outed’ publicly for asking a question in the Town Hall”.

    Mr Pichai had scheduled the meeting in the wake of his firing this week of software engineer James Damore, who wrote and distributed a memo that argued biological differences between men and women explain the gender gap among tech workers.

    Mr Pichai said the company would find other ways to gather and engage employees on the subject in the coming days.

    Google’s firing of Mr Damore has sparked a nationwide debate, and fuelled discussion inside the company over its diversity program and its openness to conservative viewpoints.

    Google employees are split over management’s dismissal of Mr Damore, according to interviews and informal polls of employees.

    Some employees say Google executives didn’t go far enough to denounce Mr Damore’s stance. Others say it is difficult to openly discuss diversity issues at the company because of a liberal bias among managers and colleagues at Google, a unit of Alphabet. And one employee said his managers’ reaction to Mr Damore’s firing “has made it explicitly clear that any view not left (of) centre is not welcome.”

    The variety of responses reflect that there are many conservatives and libertarians among the employee ranks at tech firms, even though they are seen as predominantly liberal. At Alphabet, which has nearly 76,000 employees, Mr Damore’s firing has posed a test for how employees’ views compare with their co-workers’, inflaming feelings still raw from the divisive presidential election, employees said.

    At the meeting planned today for Google employees across the globe, executives had planned to field employees’ questions voted on by their peers. The questions with the most votes would get asked.

    A sampling of some of the most popular questions as of Tuesday, according to employees, reflects the spectrum of views on the memo and its fallout. One question asks how Google will protect female employees who have been harassed online for criticising the memo. Another asks whether Google lowers the bar for diversity candidates. Some questions complain about how conservatives aren’t welcome at Google. And one asks how Google plans to stop leaks to the press.

    A person familiar added that an additional top question was: “What can we do to clarify for the entire company that there is one hiring bar,” regardless of race or gender?

    There are “definite mixed feelings” inside the company, one employee said. “There are people of all political stripes, and there’s outrage at the extreme of both ends of the spectrum and more sanity in the middle.”

    Moderate liberals at the company don’t believe the memo threatens the rights of women at the company, while moderate conservatives don’t think his firing means they can’t express themselves, this employee said. “But ultimately the loudest voices on the fringes drive the perception and reaction.”

    In the mobile app Blind, where users must use their work email addresses to verify they are employees at a given company, a survey of Google employees reflected the divisions. Of 440 Google employees who responded to a Blind survey on Tuesday and Wednesday, 56 per cent said they disagreed with Google’s decision to fire Mr Damore.

    Mr Pichai said in an email to employees on Monday that Mr Damore’s memo violated company policies “by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.” But he added that “we strongly support the right of Googlers to express themselves, and much of what was in that memo is fair to debate, regardless of whether a vast majority of Googlers disagree with it.”

    Google’s diversity and inclusion program is a major priority at the company, employees say, with managers tasked with hiring more minorities and women, or at least showing efforts to do so. The program was in part sparked by poor happiness ratings among women and minorities at the company in annual surveys, one employee said. Google said in June that 69 per cent of its staff were men, 56 per cent were white and 35 per cent were Asian.

    One employee said he disagreed with Mr Damore’s memo, which he called “academic harassment,” and supported his firing, noting “people have been fired for a lot less.” But the employee said the diversity program risks breeding dissent among the mostly white and Asian male staff, and he agreed with Mr Damore that open discussion isn’t possible at Google.

    “There are some topics that are off limits, including gender and racial diversity,” he said.

    Another employee said she feels comfortable discussing the diversity program with colleagues “but I’m in the majority that thinks they’re fair and necessary. I’d imagine if you weren’t confident diversity outreach had value you would be concerned that voicing it would offend your other co-workers who joined through those programs.”

    Google’s liberalism was clear at an internal town-hall meeting after the presidential election, where top executives commiserated with employees over Donald Trump’s victory, according to a recording of the meeting viewed by the Journal.

    Alphabet chief financial officer Ruth Porat, who publicly supported Hillary Clinton, called the election results “a kick in the gut.” Executives fielded a variety of questions over the hour-long meeting but none of the questions were in support of Mr Trump’s victory.

    Eileen Naughton, Google’s human-resources chief, said at the meeting that she was pleased to see employees holding spontaneous support groups after the election. But she added she had heard from conservative employees who “haven’t felt entirely comfortable revealing who they are … So I believe we need to do better. We need to be tolerant and inclusive.”

  115. cohenite

    Hanson makes some salient points about muslims bludging on the public purse while causing strife and discord. There is really no reason why islam should be tolerated in any modern Western democracy. It’s like saying 7thC values should be given equal time. Islam brings nothing to the table and should be banned.

  116. thefrolickingmole

    m0nty

    So you are fine with importing enough people to keep wage pressures down for the unskilled and relieve the burden of training apprentices and employees from employers?

    Most of the wonderful “GDP effect” you wibble on about accrues to the migrants, not other Australians.
    Importing voteherds to avoid a technical recession isnt a policy, its a cynical shell game.

  117. Tom

    Ahahaha. Googleory is now trolling his trolling competition.

  118. Carpe Jugulum

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2465408, posted on August 11, 2017 at 10:45 am
    —————–
    Nekomimi?

    I think it will be floppy Inumimi today

    😛

  119. .

    There is nothing wrong with charity notafan. I made a sharp distinction between austerity (even child labour) and squalor.

  120. cohenite

    Interesting new paper showing the increase in atmospheric CO2 is primarily natural and thereby showing alarmism to be without basis:

    The Model shows that human-produced carbon dioxide and nature-produced carbon dioxide independently set their equilibrium levels based upon their respective inflows, and the sum of these independent equilibrium levels equals the total equilibrium level of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

    The Model computes the human-caused equilibrium level to be ~18 ppm and the nature-caused equilibrium level to be ~382 ppm. The total of each part adds up to the ~400 ppm of today.

    The paper looks at the IPCC alarmist model of CO2 and concludes it is inherently flawed.

  121. Gab

    It’s after 11am, Dot, how many kids have you sold today? What’s the quota for today, btw?

  122. zyconoclast

    Senators Derryn Hinch and Sam Dastyari cut a wedding cake and kiss outside Parliament to show their support for same-sex marriage

    Who gets first use of the gerbil?

  123. jupes

    There are currently no jobs available for men in the infantry as a rifleman or as an artilleryman — but both jobs are highlighted as “recruit immediately” if a female candidate comes forward …

    Hard to believe but Campbell is worse than Morrison.

    Just when the prospect of a serious war looks likely, Australia is still playing childish dress-up games with the Defence Force. #toostupidtosurvive

  124. The conservative basis for children being raised by their birth parents is a 1989 UN treaty. Shocking.

    No, it isn’t. You asked, When was this ever considered a fundamental right? Seriously, can you name any authority that says this or something very similar?, and I gave you five authorities including the common law.

    Let’s be honest, they can’t, everyone else is paying for them. Maybe they could and even do a better job themselves, but we’d have to admit public education is a massive waste of money and make work scheme.

    My grandmother managed to raise four children as a widow in the 1940s Egypt. A lot of other working class and lower middle class parents managed as well without needing some one diminishing their effort or claiming that, in the circumstances, their children could have been rightfully taken from them. Pull your head in.

    It might be a fair compromise that if you cannot educate your children as you wish and that you do not foot the bill yourself. The problem is that someone pays and they are not paying voluntarily.

    Completely irrelevant. But to the extent that this might involve something as modest as a widow’s pension, again, pull your head in.

    There is nothing wrong austerity or even reasonable child labour, but the idea that being brought up in squalor is in the best interests of the child is absurd.

    No one is saying it is in the best interests of the child to be brought up in squalor. You are just making this shit up. I said that children, barring gross abuse and neglect, have a right to the care and custody of their natural parents. You have avoided this by irrelevant distractions.

    No, I’ve said nothing of the sort.

    Dot earlier:

    The right to “being cared for and educated by your natural parents” is a fundamental right? When was this ever considered a fundamental right? Seriously, can you name any authority that says this or something very similar? How is it a right at all if you are living in squalor? The enormity of calling it a fundamental right demands that it have few or no reasons to dispense with it.

    BTW, that is an incorrect usage of ‘enormity’.

  125. Tom

    The media are stupid thinking he’s stupid.

    The media are destroying their business model behaving like a Stalinist political movement and Trump is playing them like a piano because they can’t admit to themselves he is intellectually smarter than 99.99% of the human race.

    Monty’s rakeology is hilarious. And it’s all going to be read back to him.

  126. H B Bear

    Senators Derryn Hinch and Sam Dastyari cut a wedding cake and kiss outside Parliament to show their support for same-sex marriage

    Shanghai Sam should really stick to pay-to-play Chinese influence and Liars corruption and leave this stuff to Xylophone and Hunch. It’s even more unbecoming (if that were possible).

  127. Myrddin Seren

    A person familiar added that an additional top question was: “What can we do to clarify for the entire company that there is one hiring bar,” regardless of race or gender?

    Person who asked that question, which is literally violence and white heteronormative patriarchy, must be hunted down.

    Eileen Naughton, Google’s human-resources chief, said ….. she had heard from conservative employees who “haven’t felt entirely comfortable revealing who they are … So I believe we need to do better. We need to be tolerant and inclusive.”

    Google Translate:

    ‘There are conservatives and libertarians here. They must be unmasked and fired. We must have a tolerant and inclusive progressive monoculture – I think we can all agree on that !’

  128. zyconoclast

    Nekomimi?
    I think it will be floppy Inumimi today

    Why such differentiations exist…?

    For educational purposes only.
    Nekomimi Vs Inumimi

  129. Geriatric Mayfly

    I don’t call him Maladroit for nothing, you know.
    Now, about that Snowy Hydro scheme…

    Mal the Technocrat calls it ‘The big battery.’ I still fish Tantagara reservoir occasionally. If it is going to have a great hunk of copper stuck in one end, and a ton of zinc at the other, I will have to scrub this wilderness location.

  130. Oh come on

    I see that I continue to trigger srr. Two more lengthy posts to scroll past! Keep it up, srr! I appreciate your efforts.

  131. incoherent rambler

    cohenite
    #2465432, posted on August 11, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Interesting new paper …

    http://edberry.com/blog/climate-physics/agw-hypothesis/model-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-abstract/

    Can’t wait to see the rate equations. If valid, this completely demolishes the CAGW meme.

    “… this computes the 12CO2 residence time to be ~4 years.” – awesome

  132. zyconoclast

    Mal the Technocrat calls it ‘The big battery.’ I still fish Tantagara reservoir occasionally. If it is going to have a great hunk of copper stuck in one end, and a ton of zinc at the other, I will have to scrub this wilderness location.

    Or just scrub the fish more thoroughly.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There are currently no jobs available for men in the infantry as a rifleman or as an artilleryman — but both jobs are highlighted as “recruit immediately” if a female candidate comes forward …

    And when the first footage starts circulating on the internet of captured kufar riflepersons, suffering their fate at the hands of the mighty warriors of Islam, will the SJW’s be content then?

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    One Guacamole is equal to 6.0221415 x 10^23 Guacas.
    Avocados constant.

    Heh, earlier this morning I commented on a US blog about moles of CO2 and O2.
    Furry animal gas!

  135. Haidee

    That link for Peter S.
    A water bottle parked up on the piano .. no no

  136. Atoms for Peace

    Just had an interesting discussion within the family regarding motor vehicle insurance. One of the soon to be inlaws has bought a second hand 4×4 and is doing it up for camping runs etc. Both of them also have ,bought at new, vehicles with comprehensive insurance, so no worries there. The young fella thought that rego, with CTP, covered for damage etc and was running around with no other insurance, given the value of the 4×4.
    When I explained that he would be up for property damages in case of an accident, the light bulb moment occurred. I wonder how many other people are out there thinking that rego and CTP covers them for 3rd party, fire and theft ?

  137. notafan

    first footage starts circulating on the internet of captured kufar riflepersons

    That won’t be ‘rape rape’ and you know it

    it will be waved away as participating in a white patriarchal war of aggression against innocent civilians and serve you right.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Thanks to Atoms and Inco for doing my homework. I was busy elsewhere.

    Btw in case anyone wanted to know a mole of avocados, averaging 170 g each, would weigh a little more than 100 billion billion tonnes.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    I made a sharp distinction between austerity (even child labour) and squalor.

    Beep boop…

    Hands up who thinks Dot has a waifu?

  140. Chris

    “You lot have the luxury of pretending that demand doesn’t matter, but those with accountable power and responsibilities don’t.”

    Demand seems to be rake-code for ‘I can steal or borrow or create money, spend it on anything or even flush it down the toilet, and shazam! Growth!

  141. .

    You are taking this way too personally Dover.

    The authorities are awful. You would not consistently rely on UN treaties for moral authority.

    If you rely on that as an authority, then we start making other choices that violate other rights (as we start relying on principles like the best interests of the child).

    The amorality of not considering where the income required to care for a child of indigent parents (especially after the first one) needs to come from is a sad reflection of society. I would find it more acceptable if it was acknowledged it was wrong.

  142. zyconoclast

    Btw in case anyone wanted to know a mole of avocados, averaging 170 g each, would weigh a little more than 100 billion billion tonnes.

    Just enough for both
    Hipster heaven, smashed avo on toast
    and guacamole for all the illegal Mexicans living in the USA.

  143. Chris

    I wonder how many other people are out there thinking that rego and CTP covers them for 3rd party, fire and theft ?

    Usually takes your first accident to figure it out. The insurers of the Mercedes you broke your shitbox against help with a teaching moment.

  144. So you are fine with importing enough people to keep wage pressures down for the unskilled and relieve the burden of training apprentices and employees from employers?

    Most of the wonderful “GDP effect” you wibble on about accrues to the migrants, not other Australians.
    Importing voteherds to avoid a technical recession isnt a policy, its a cynical shell game.

    Part of the rationale of immigration is to fill jobs that existing Australians don’t want to fill, with fruit picking being the usual example. I don’t think you can blame immigration for low wages… isn’t the right’s argument that wages are too high in Australia? The GDP effect does flow through to “natives” via extra jobs serving the new demand.

    I agree that economic growth through immigration can hide a lot of flaws in an economy, and is not and should not be treated as a panacea. The alternative is Japan, though, which is not ideal either. There are no easy answers. Except maybe antitrust, that is something the left and right can get behind these days. Might write an OP about that.

  145. Senile Old Guy

    ABC is having a look at Siri and Cortana and, of course, it becomes a social justice issue:

    Service bots clearly have a job to do, and they wouldn’t be doing it very well if they alienated users. But do they really need to be female in order to be functional or relatable? “Many have been written to sound demure to the point of being extremely forbearing and really passive — almost eerily so,” New York-based writer Jacqueline Feldman says.

    Then they get on to the underlying algorithms which, of course, also have social justice problems:

    Machine learning algorithms have enormous and exciting potential — think self-driving cars and impressive advances in medical diagnostics. They do a lot more than drive Google search and generate the annoying online ads that haunt us every time we shop online. But Dr Noble is concerned that deep machine learning and automated decision making are leading us down a dangerous path — one that may radically undermine our human rights.

    “I think we are opening a Pandora’s box. Industry is doing whatever it wants to do, unleashing these projects on us,” Dr Noble says. Judges in the United States are already using algorithmic programs to estimate a person’s risk of reoffending — a practice academics say is highly problematic.

    Helpfully, the ABC links to research on those practices.

    You will no doubt be shocked, stunned and outraged to learn that it is only some academics who say it is problematic. You will also be amazed to learn that those algorithms are actually reasonably reliable. Further, you will flabbergasted to hear that one of the main reasons for the outrage is that the algorithms — correctly — have white people less likely to commit violent* crimes, and to re-offend, that persons of a different skin colour. That’s where part of the human rights bit comes in.

    As for reliability of machine learning, the reason Google is popular is because it works, as someone noted here recently. If a Google search for “reliable local mechanic” routinely returned information about bonsai gardening, no-one would use it.

    * The authors focussed on violent crime because, for reasons they discuss, the statistics are likely to be more reliable.

  146. Tom

    Googleory now has both socks trolling the avian dayshift sock (which used to be the nightshift sock). What will happen tonight? Will Googleory #2 flip and troll avian sock #1? And to think the Cat doesn’t even have a paywall to capture this entertainment gold.

  147. Snoopy

    In some societies child marriage has been a traditional pathway out of squalor for girls. With marriage equality no child need be left behind.

  148. You are taking this way too personally Dover.

    No, I simply pointed out an example, among many ready to hand, that illustrated your error.

    The authorities are awful. You would not consistently rely on UN treaties for moral authority.

    I don’t really on them. You asked for an authority. You could also look at the common law.

    If you rely on that as an authority, then we start making other choices that violate other rights (as we start relying on principles like the best interests of the child).

    I don’t need to rely on the authority of the UN. I rely on the principle and its obvious soundness.

    The amorality of not considering where the income required to care for a child of indigent parents (especially after the first one) needs to come from is a sad reflection of society. I would find it more acceptable if it was acknowledged it was wrong.

    Well, that is an entirely different problem.

  149. Combine Dave

    I made a sharp distinction between austerity (even child labour) and squalor.

    Beep boop…

    Hands up who thinks Dot has a waifu?

    …….

    No waifu just a baizuo..

  150. rickw

    And when the first footage starts circulating on the internet of captured kufar riflepersons, suffering their fate at the hands of the mighty warriors of Islam, will the SJW’s be content then?

    Women contemplating joining the military might want to have a good think about this, and watch GI Jane get the shit punched out of her Joe Average Marine.

  151. notafan

    What difference does the number of children make, are you assuming that contraception and abortion are part of the natural order of things now, seems like your views have much in common with Communist China rather than western civilization.

    I’m sure these natural rights existed long before Blackstone ‘recognised’ them, I’m pretty sure we could go back thousands of years and find them recognized, particularity in the west.

    What about islamic demands that kafir surrender children as slaves, doesn’t that presuppose some other relationship and that parents, generally speaking, because of their natural love and affection would neither surrender their children to strangers and also in the vast majority of cases do their very best to raise them to adulthood, visions of old age insurance notwithstanding.

    I think a bloke called Solomon revealed that a long long time ago.

    Sir William Blackstone (1765-9) recognized three parental duties to the child: maintenance, protection, and education.[10] In modern language, the child has a right to receive these from the parent.


    wiki

  152. calli

    Trust the Chinese to distill the endless excess of Western Stupid into one word.

  153. Myrddin Seren

    Low calorie diet drinks and foods ‘trick the brain into making you fatter’ and could trigger diabetes, study claims

    ..diet products that do not taste sweet confuse the brain into thinking there are fewer calories to burn than there are.

    This causes the body’s metabolism to drop, storing up the products as fat, claim researchers at Yale University

    Ever watched fatties at the food court or a roadhouse scoffing down a mountain of rubbish and then prominently displaying their commitment to restraint by waving around a can of diet something ?

    Even if the chemical combos known as diet sodas are having no metabolic impact, the fatties are using them to validate the food hoovering anyway.

  154. calli

    Or…is baizuo just a Chinese version of Bozo?

  155. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Holy cow. Carl Sagan was a time traveller:

    https://twitter.com/TheBrandonMorse/status/895387192880705536

  156. zyconoclast

    State school under fire for telling students to ‘delay sexual activity’

    Henrietta Cook
    Published: August 10 2017 – 7:08PM

    A state high school in Victoria has set a controversial goal to “delay sexual activity in school-aged youth”.
    Parents of year 8 students at Officer Secondary College were shocked to receive an email on Tuesday promoting abstinence as part of the school’s Respectful Relationships curriculum, a state government initiative aimed at stamping out domestic violence.
    “Our shared goal is to delay sexual activity in school-aged youth,” it read.
    One parent, who did not want to be named, said the school was sending students a “damaging, archaic” message by telling them to abstain from sexual activity until they graduated. 
    “It sets up a culture of shame around sexual desire and feeling, and a culture of secrecy when students are in relationships,” they said.
    “Students who are already engaged in sexual relationships may think having sex is inherently risky and dangerous.”
    Another parent said that while they didn’t want their children having sex early, it was inappropriate for the school to promote abstinence. This created shame, and stopped children from getting help, they said.
    “They expect that they wait until they’re grown up and married. I don’t think that’s realistic.”
    The abstinence message may have been an effort to appease parents who have raised concerns about the controversial Safe Schools program, which they claim promotes inappropriate sexual activity. 
    Last year, the school experienced a backlash from some parents after it taught The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian. Parents objected to 13-year-olds reading the book’s passages about masturbation.
    The latest incident has raised concerns about how the Respectful Relationships curriculum – which is designed to challenge gender stereotypes and promote equality – is being interpreted by some Victorian schools.  
    While a focus on abstinence in sex education is common in some religious schools, it is unusual in secular state schools. 
    The school, which is located in Melbourne’s outer south-eastern suburbs, told parents that the lessons would cover healthy and unhealthy relationships, pressures on young people, “how to live a healthy life and avoid risky behaviours (abstinence)”, contraception and sexually transmitted infections.
    “These lessons aim to provide students with medically accurate information and communication skills to help them make decisions that can keep them healthy and safe,” the email read.
    It said families held a range of beliefs, cultures and customs, and that it would ensure “all information is age appropriate”. “Those family values are core, essential guidelines for your child’s life,” it said. 
    The email was only sent to parents of Year 8 students. The new school, which opened in 2015, only enrols students up to year 9 at this stage.
    Assistant principal Elizabeth Godwin told Fairfax Media that the email sent to parents did not reflect the school’s program. 
    “The Health and PE program at Officer SC aims to educate students in being respectful, responsible and informed,” she said. 
    Focusing on abstinence ignores young people’s sexuality, according to David Rhodes, a senior lecturer at Edith Cowan University who specialises in sex and sexuality in schools. 
    “We regard sexual identity as an adult thing, but it doesn’t suddenly appear when you become an adult,” Dr Rhodes said.
    “[Abstinence] is such an old-fashioned and antiquated idea. To suggest that it’s a shared goal puts undue pressure on parents and shuts down discussions about young people’s sexuality.”
    Sex education consultant Jenny Walsh said programs that only pushed abstinence “let kids down”.
    “It does not arm children for if and when they have sex or speak to those kids who are already having sex,” she said.
    “Abstinence programs don’t work when it comes to delaying sex or promoting sexual competence, which means having sex when you’re ready and safe.”
    Ms Walsh said the school was ignoring data that showed that 25 per cent of year 10 students and half of year 12s have had sexual intercourse.
    An Education Department spokesman said that the Respectful Relationships curriculum was separate to sexuality education.
    “The goal of sexuality education in Victorian schools is to build on knowledge, skills, and behaviours, so young people can make responsible and safe choices.

  157. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2465476, posted on August 11, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Confused parents are not helping their children.

  158. calli

    Parents of year 8 students at Officer Secondary College were shocked to receive an email on Tuesday promoting abstinence as part of the school’s Respectful Relationships curriculum, a state government initiative aimed at stamping out domestic violence.

    Can’t have that.

    It’s now officially An UnSafe School.

  159. .

    notafan my views hark back to the terrible 1950s.

    Blackstone might have been right, probably a better authority than the UN.

    An obligation on parents does not oblige others to pay.

  160. Senile Old Guy

    So more rubbish research:

    Senior author Prof Dana Small said: “A calorie is not a calorie. When sweet taste and energy are not matched, less energy is metabolised and inaccurate signals go to the brain. Either may affect metabolic health.”

    Scientists scanned the brains of 15 people on diet drinks and others on regular ones. They also monitored how much energy was burned and found that when there was a “mismatch”, the brain did not register calories had been consumed, which could lead to eating more.

    So more research with “may” and “could” instead of “will” and “did”.

  161. jupes

    Pauline Hanson’s speech to the senate posted by cohenite above.

    Deserves to be widely read. Key point:

    In fact, the number of Australian Muslims doubled in the decade between 2006 and 2016.

    If they keep that up Australia is in real trouble. Meanwhile, the ADF is busy recruiting women to protect us from all the future Australian jihadis.

    Sounds like a plan. What could possibly go wrong.

  162. notafan

    An obligation on parents does not oblige others to pay.

    So what?

    What are the odds that if we conducted a plebiscite on what our taxes should pay for, the sick, the lame, the widow, the orphan, would be ticked as worthy recipients of taxation largess?

  163. lotocoti

    And when the first footage starts circulating on the internet of captured kufar rifle persons …

    It’ll be used as an example of toxic masculinity and why the ADF needs to embrace a more female friendly approach to conflict resolution.

  164. C.L.

    Holy cow. Carl Sagan was a time traveller:

    Not really big calls, given when he made them.
    Chesterton was accurately essaying the fate of a Western world devoid of commitment to moral objectivism in the late 1800s.

  165. Sinclair Davidson

    Economically literate friends – my nephew is doing VCE economics and sent me this:

    I am doing an economics assignment based on the macroeconomic policies that impact the future sustainability of the National electricity market (NEM) in Australia and was wondering if you had any examples or knowledge of policies between 2015-17 As I can’t seem to find any.

    Any ideas?

  166. Geriatric Mayfly

    Parents of year 8 students at Officer Secondary College were shocked to receive an email on Tuesday promoting abstinence as part of the school’s Respectful Relationships curriculum, a state government initiative aimed at stamping out domestic violence.

    Abstinence from what exactly? If it is what I think it is, then this is today’s Peak Stupid successfully challenged, all the way to the top.

  167. Focusing on abstinence ignores young people’s sexuality, according to David Rhodes, a senior lecturer at Edith Cowan University who specialises in sex and sexuality in schools.
    “We regard sexual identity as an adult thing, but it doesn’t suddenly appear when you become an adult,” Dr Rhodes said.
    “[Abstinence] is such an old-fashioned and antiquated idea.

    Why does this man have a job?

  168. Anne

    Tom 11:19am

    The media are destroying their business model…

    Lol. The Media does not have a business model. It is merely a tool, owned lock, stock and barrel by the Globalist Plutocrats who have no shortage of money to fund all their departments.

  169. zyconoclast

    Economically literate friends – my nephew is doing VCE economics and sent me this:
    I am doing an economics assignment based on the macroeconomic policies that impact the future sustainability of the National electricity market (NEM) in Australia and was wondering if you had any examples or knowledge of policies between 2015-17 As I can’t seem to find any.
    Any ideas?

    It depends if he wants to be truthful or if he wants to get a good result.

  170. Bird, you are sounding a bit Islamic with this talk of usury. I don’t think that’s much of a problem these days anyway, with interest rates being what they are. But we all know what your real agenda is, don’t we? It’s all about the sons of Abraham for you. You must be on some better drugs at the moment because you’re hiding it well, but we all know your agenda.

  171. H B Bear

    Stop beating your girlfriend and start beating yourself.

  172. Blackstone might have been right,

    Earlier, you were saying you’d never heard of this natural right of parent and child.

  173. SoG;

    The Australian Army has “put a ban” on male recruits in a bid to increase female ranks — and new fitness tests have been slashed to four push-ups and 20 sit-ups.

    F*ck me. I’m retirement age, and asthmatic, with more than a few health issues, but I could do that! Utterly absurd.

    Bloody ‘ell!
    Just went to the bedroom, and tried it myself. Amid much puffing and groaning, did the sit ups, and was three quarters of the way through the push ups, and the Child Bride walks in and says, “Your girlfriends gone home, Winston.”
    Fail.

  174. calli

    A good summary of Damore and Google over at Sultan Knish.

    Google is approaching the ecological dead end of its technological niche. There’s not much else to do except make fringe investments that are little more than disguised advertising and build more free apps to feed into its own ad business while driving traffic to them through its search and Android leverage.

    If the business model ever fails or the government takes a closer look at its abuses, then it’s all over.

    Apologies already linked.

  175. Snoopy

    Monty have you found that link to Trump threatening the Norks with a nuclear attack yet?

  176. herodotus

    Women in the military are just more walking grenades sent by the left to help the military disintegrate and become even more ineffective than the PC rules of engagement already make it.

  177. Snoopy

    Everyone knows sexually active high school students get better results.

  178. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Australian Army has “put a ban” on male recruits in a bid to increase female ranks — and new fitness tests have been slashed to four push-ups and 20 sit-ups.

    I take it they’ve cut out the old “nine miler?”

  179. herodotus

    Bank bashing is still the most important story of the day … after SSM anyway. Strange that if you want to read about the money trail from various Uncle George funds to leftists, you don’t find those details in the MSM.

  180. cohenite

    Economically literate friends – my nephew is doing VCE economics and sent me this:
    I am doing an economics assignment based on the macroeconomic policies that impact the future sustainability of the National electricity market (NEM) in Australia and was wondering if you had any examples or knowledge of policies between 2015-17 As I can’t seem to find any.
    Any ideas?

    Energy policies in Australia begin and end with subsidies to renewables and penalties on fossils. Turnbull became PM in 2015 and the move by Abbott to end subsidies to renewables effectively ceased. Turnbull’s RET and energy policies generally are described here:

    http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/open-letter-to-dr-alan-finkel.pdf

  181. mh

    Headline in the Tele: ‘We’ll fight alongside Trump:Turnbull’. So I wonder what President Trump would think of the Australian Army putting a ban on male recruits in a bid to increase female ranks, and new fitness tests reduced to four push-ups and 20 sit-ups.

  182. Tom

    Must read for politics junkies on why Obambi Deep Stater H.R. McMaster is on the way out:
    The Memo That Blew Up the NSC.

    Though not called out by name, McMaster was among those described in the document as working against Trump …

    The result is an even wider rift between the president and his national security advisor, marking what may be the beginning of the end of the general’s tenure, and a radical shift of power on the NSC.

    Trump later learned from Sean Hannity, the Fox News host and close friend of the president, that the memo’s author had been fired. Trump was “furious,” the senior administration official said. “He is still furious.”

  183. .

    macroeconomic policies

    I’m not sure the teacher knows what this means. Maybe some more Wayne Swan directed stimulus will help South Australia have an effective pinwheel based power grid?

    Tax policy isn’t strictly macroeconomics, fiscal policy is.

  184. C.L.

    Fairfax issues apology to the wrong ethnic:

    Apology to Ali Jomaa.

    Layers and layers of fact-checkers.

  185. .

    Tom

    You don’t like Mc Master. I think Jim Clapper is worse. What do you think about Clapper?

  186. Lysander

    I am doing an economics assignment based on the macroeconomic policies that impact the future sustainability of the National electricity market (NEM) in Australia and was wondering if you had any examples or knowledge of policies between 2015-17 As I can’t seem to find any.

    Sinc, I know it’s an economics essay that your nephew is looking to write, but I cant help but post this link:

    https://greens.org.au/policies/climate-change-energy

    These lunatic policies have “bled” into mainstream politics. It’d prolly be a good start to show how all other energy/economic policies have been derived from this (madness). IMHO.

  187. Anne

    Sam Dastyari kissing Derry Hunch over the Rainbow Homosexual Love Cake.

    Sheesh! What a nauseating display.

    They’re all pod people now.

  188. stackja

    The “Golden Stairs” on the Kokoda Track

    AWM 026821 (Australian War Memorial)
    The “Golden Stairs” on the Kokoda Track between Uberi and Imita Ridge. These stairs marked the beginning of the steepest parts of the track. For those Australian troops moving along it for the first time these stairs gave them the first real indication of the degree of physical hardship they were about to undergo.

    Not all men could handle the climb. How many women?

  189. H B Bear

    Fairfax issues apology to the wrong ethnic:

    Well they do all look the same.

  190. thefrolickingmole

    Part of the rationale of immigration is to fill jobs that existing Australians don’t want to fill, with fruit picking being the usual example.

    An extremely bad one.
    Theres other options, some linked to things like losing dole payments if you dont work, increasing wages or even temporary workers (the benefit which would bypass most of the costs)

    Mass migration benefits those who have property and established low wage businesses.

  191. C.L.

    Bill Shorten said the SS”M” survey would cause “filth,” bigotry and hate to pour forth … and he was right:

    Tim Minchin mocks ‘homophobic’ politicians in reimagined Aussie classic.

    Tim Minchin has mocked the Turnbull government’s decision to hold a non-binding postal vote on same-sex marriage in a pithy music video uploaded to his social media channels.

    The Australian composer and comedian has reworked Peter Allen’s classic song I Still Call Australia Home into a tune called I Still Call Australia Homophobic.

    The lyrics:

    “It’s bad enough these pollie arseholes pass discriminatory laws, now we’re forced to dance the plebiscite jig. But on the upside, this plebiscite might enlighten us. At least we’ll know exactly how many Aussies are bigoted c—-.”

    The song then encourages politicians to “do their bloody jobs”.

    “Then Carrie can marry Sally, and Ben can bone Tone in the marriage bed in their Aussie home. So you can shove your cherry picked Bible passage up your puckered bottom. Your attempt to keep Australia in the past will be a failure because most of Australia aren’t homophobic.”

    Brave Tim didn’t mention the Koran.

  192. woolfe

    How and when would you know that a Nork is an attack not a test?

  193. .

    Stop paying foreigners welfare. If we’re going to be hard on welfare to work stuff we should get rid of wage regulation and a lot of unnecessary occupational licensing.

  194. C.L.

    Chinese paper says China should stay neutral if North Korea attacks first

    Interesting.

  195. Lysander

    I don’t know why the Libs cop so much flack from the Left about a plebiscite; none of their arguments stack up. What’s wrong with an election promise of a plebiscite? Nothing.

    Remember after KRudd got elected (with no real policies different to Howard’s) he held a 20/20 Summit with Cate Blanchette and 1001 other “ordinary Australians” in order to determine his government’s priorities and policies for the future. This was a mini-plebiscite (or “stacked” plebiscite). He was called “visionary.”

    And then in WA you’ve got Sneakers McGowan who is going to hold a Parliamentary Inquiry into Euthanasia’s possible use in the State (noting this was never mentioned by Sneakers, any ALP member, not on the ALP website, policy platform… nowhere.)

  196. incoherent rambler

    How and when would you know that a Nork is an attack not a test?

    When you and everything around you is melting or burning, it is fair indication that it is not a test.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    James
    9 minutes ago

    The Australian Army is rejecting male recruits and encouraging women to serve in armoured cavalry units, which means service in Abrams main battle tanks. Do women realise what this means?

    Some ten years ago an American female senator demanded to know why women were not allowed to serve in the US Army’s Abrams main battle tanks. When told that tanks were not designed for female needs, she insisted on riding in an Abrams on a field exercise over at least two days. The usual tank commander had been replaced by a captain because she was a senator. After two hours on the move, she asked the commander where the tank’s “restroom” was located. He replied that there were no “restrooms” in any American tanks, but they had been continuously passing “restrooms”. When she asked to see one, he pointed to the shrubs that the tank was passing. He explained that when the need arose, the tank stopped, and the men relieved themselves behind a shrub.

    She was furious with the tank commander, and demanded to know why American tanks were not designed with “restrooms” and showers to cater for the needs of female soldiers. He tried to explain that such a tank would need to be as big as a small barn, and with the weight of armour protection, it would travel at a speed less than normal walking pace and be a very large slow target for enemy gunners. The livid senator told the tank commander that she would tell Congress that American tanks were deliberately designed to discourage female participation in tank warfare and that tank design must change to make them more attractive for female soldiers. The Australian Army needs to check whether the Americans have come up with female-friendly tank designs.

    Comment, over on the Daily Telegraph site, about wymmynses in the Army. Any Cats heard this one before?

  198. Snoopy

    Monty, please tell us again how Trump is too stupid to realise that nuking Kim Jong-un might annoy China and South Korea. I never get tired of that one.

  199. C.L.

    How and when would you know that a Nork is an attack not a test?

    There’s the rub, Woolfe.
    I notice North Korea is now talking about launching missiles “near” Guam, not on Guam.

  200. Lysander

    CL…

    http://www.korea-dpr.com/

    Hahahaha….

    “The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a genuine workers’ state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.”

  201. Baldrick

    So what do you do when nobody talks to you? Why, talk to yourself of course:

    Robert Mc
    #2465420, posted on August 11, 2017 at 11:01 am
    Peter Stuyvesant
    __________________
    Haidee
    #2465450, posted on August 11, 2017 at 11:35 am
    That link for Peter S.
    A water bottle parked up on the piano .. no no

    Good one Googlery M

  202. Baldrick

    Sam Dastyari kissing Derry Hunch over the Rainbow Homosexual Love Cake.

    The optics aren’t real good. It’s a bit like an old derro kissing a kid.
    Oh hang on …

  203. Tintarella di Luna

    Sir William Blackstone (1765-9) recognized three parental duties to the child: maintenance, protection, and education.[10] In modern language, the child has a right to receive these from the parent.

    An obligation on parents does not oblige others to pay.

    When it comes to all three yes it does why else would be have departments of health, community/social/human services and education — in fact we signed up to exactly that back in 1924 then again in 1948, then again in 1959/60 then again in 1990

  204. Ivan Denisovich

    Brave Tim didn’t mention the Koran.

    Get him onto The Project. Will Waleed Aly agree with him that anyone opposed to same-sex marriage is a bigoted c—? Or will Aly do his disappearing act?

  205. Rabz

    Tim Minchin has mocked the Turnbull government’s decision to hold a non-binding postal vote on same-sex marriage

    Leak had the preposterous posturing pansy pegged.

  206. Oh come on

    Australian comedian and musician Tim Minchin has entered the same-sex marriage plebiscite debate with his typical comedic flair.

    Doesn’t a comedian usually have to do comedy? Or at the very least, be funny? This guy is about as funny as a colonoscopy.

    In a video posted to his Facebook page, Michin reworks the lyrics to the Peter Allen classic I Still Call Australia Home.

    Minchin sings:

    I’m always travelling, but wherever I stay

    People love Aussies, and they generally say

    They think we’re kind, fun and funny

    Tall, tanned and toned

    And a little bit racist, and a little bit home-ophobic

    Ha. Ha.

    Ha.

    Tim needs to pull his head out of his arse and stop being so provincial. Much of the rest of the world has virtually no knowledge of the typical Australian character. The only people who view Australians as racists and homophobes are Australian leftists.

    (quotes from ABC news app)

  207. This is hilarious:

    Airline botches pro-gay ad, proves marriage is only between man and woman: KLM Royal Dutch Airlines has produced a Twitter ad meant to pay tribute to Gay Pride events now taking place in Amsterdam. The only thing is, the tweet serves to do the exact opposite.

    The ad shows three sets of seat belts. The first consists of two “female” ends. The second pairs two “male” ends. The third depicts a male with a female end and is clearly the only seat belt pairing that actually works.

    This is the inevitable result of only being able to mouth idiotic slogans like “Love is love”.

  208. Are you confused with the interest rate subsidy to the banks and what the rest of us pay?

    Not at all, Bird. That is a valid issue. You are getting needlessly alarmed, however, about a supposed impending crisis that hasn’t come to pass in the way you describe across centuries despite more and more reliance on banking.

    Banking should not become the focus of an economy instead of a necessary but minor function, just the same as stock markets should not set the rules. There are dangers to be vigilant against, no doubt. Fiat money is not about to collapse, though.

  209. notafan

    When it comes to all three yes it does why else would be have departments of health, community/social/human services and education — in fact we signed up to exactly that back in 1924 then again in 1948, then again in 1959/60 then again in 1990

    Good point Tinta

    the education acts go back to the 19th century though.

  210. Stimpson J. Cat

    Dot I pay taxes.
    I also run my own business.
    You use Medicare do you not?
    Shouldn’t I have a say in your medical decisions?
    What about first home buyers grants?
    Shouldn’t I have a say in the house color and location?
    Also universities.
    Why do I have to pay for other people to study socialism? I want them to be productive and study engineering like Yassmin.
    Unemployed people.
    I have ALWAYS worked, get a f$cking job you bums.
    Are you on Austudy or some government study assistance?
    Why do I have to pay for it?
    Disableds as well.
    I’m not a disabled.
    And Aboriginals.
    I’m white Goddamn it!
    I pay for my own Aboriginal kids!
    And mentally ills.
    Don’t get me started on those wastrels….

  211. Anne

    “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”

    -David Rockefeller

  212. You are sounding like Steve Keen, Bird. No one wants to sound like Steve Keen.

  213. You’re the one proposing chemo for a cancer that doesn’t exist, Bird.

  214. notafan

    Peter S

    Are you are New Word Order, One World Government true believer too?

  215. Snoopy

    Why do you insist on doxing Peter, Monty? Is it meant to distract from your own incontrovertible stupidity?

  216. I am not doxxing him Snoopy, but if you don’t recognise that he is Bird, then you’re not paying enough attention.

  217. Gab;

    Trump thanks Putin for expelling US Diplomats, says it saves money.

    LOL The new kid on the block has a different way of doing things. I like his style. He’s trolling Putin.

    The icing on top?
    He’s calculated the savings and made a batch of 5.56mm ammo for sale on the US civilian market, in a white/black anodised jacket and is selling them at a 100% markup!
    Winning!

  218. Geriatric Mayfly

    Triggered I am, by these bloody rainbow cakes. As a kid, these were a special occasion treat of three colourful layers. Now from the deep subconscious, and to my burgeoning shame, come memories of my fondness for the pink layer over and above the other two. Any latent predilections might rear without warning.

  219. .

    Different argument Stimpy.

    Those services ought to be abolished or privatised. I don’t see why I ought to drive on roads I’ve paid taxes for and pay registration to use each year.

    I’m saying the way we treated unwanted pregnancies as depicted in risible period dramas was actually the best option. It is practically and morally preferable than obligating strangers by force.

  220. Anne

    Diet, injections and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.

    – Bertrand Russell
    The Impact of Science on Society, 1952

  221. Snoopy

    Trump thanks Putin for expelling US Diplomats, says it saves money.

    Unfortunately the diplomats almost certainly remain on the payroll.

  222. If the alternative is a late term abortion, then the (by far) lesser evil, if it is even evil, would be to pay the mother to have the child and then give it up for adoption.

    A purely libertarian view would be to allow women to not carry the child, but not kill it. It would become the responsibility of the state until it could fend for itself.

    This is of course problematic for early term abortions as survival likelihood is effectively zero. It could be improved however by limiting the window for this to occur until there is survivability. Of course, this is not a simple solution but does protect to some extent the rights of the mother and child. But again, at best, it’s a “least worst” option.

    I saw this only knowing that the divide is too wide to bridge.

  223. Anne

    Nota, we already live under Global Governance.

    Name one Politician in Australia who is fighting to get the United Nations’ Sustainable Development (read- Communism) out of our Councils.

  224. Why do you insist on doxing Peter, Monty? Is it meant to distract from your own incontrovertible stupidity?

    Snoops, it’s not doxing unless it reveals their real name. I have doubts that his birth certificate says “Bird” unless his parents were assists.

  225. Tom

    Meanwhile, in a land of hard-won liberty far away, where the left is a lunatic fringe instead of the ruling class … (tissues at the ready, Kittehs).

  226. Stimpson J. Cat

    Different argument Stimpy.

    No no no.
    No wriggling Dot.

    Empire GTHO Phase III
    #2465071, posted on August 11, 2017 at 12:18 am
    There is actually nothing immoral with buying and selling children.

    The buying and selling of people, regardless of age, is known as slavery.
    You realise that you work to pay for children that their parents knew they couldn’t afford – but you’d rather this than buying their children off them?
    That is a worse situation than surrogacy, for sure. In fact you have bee conditioned to your slavehood.

    I am working to pay for things that people cannot afford, am I not?

  227. notafan

    Maybe we should vote for politicians who oppose voluntarily submitting to the UN

    Cory Bernadi wants us out of UNCHR control of refugee decisions,

    It is a good start.

  228. .

    Stimpy – you are getting fleeced. You are correct.

  229. I’m saying the way we treated unwanted pregnancies as depicted in risible period dramas was actually the best option. It is practically and morally preferable than obligating strangers by force.

    In that instance the parent is forfeiting their right. But if they would prefer to try as best they might to meet their obligations to the child, some modest welfare would certainly be practically and morally preferable to removing the child by force.

  230. thefrolickingmole

    Any latent predilections might rear without warning.

    Ooooerr, missus…

  231. True Aussie

    Barnaby Joyce just announced that he is screwing over his own electorate. Armidale is to get enriched with a couple of hundred rapists and terrorists.

  232. thefrolickingmole

    Heres a wicked scenario for the kiddie debate..

    Suppose you could adopt kids from some shithole like Somalia, but once they were “owned” they were the absolute property of the “parents”.

    Given the choice between death/famine and living as a slave for 18 years which is worse?

  233. val majkus

    Barnaby Joyce just announced that he is screwing over his own electorate. Armidale is to get enriched with a couple of hundred rapists and terrorists.

    noticed that, True Aussie, here’s the story for those who are interested

    Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce will welcome about 200 asylum seekers from Syria and Iraq into his electorate under a federal government push to encourage more asylum seekers to settle in the regions.

    Mr Joyce said about 200 refugees will be settled in the NSW city of Armidale, about 500km north from Sydney.

    Armidale was home to 38,000 people in 2015, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

    The first of the refugees will move to the town in February next year.

    “Armidale is a good fit as a new regional settlement location for humanitarian entrants to Australia,” Mr Joyce said.

    “It has a strong, welcoming community demonstrated by the fact that this push for the city to be a settlement location for refugees was driven by the community itself.

    “I have absolutely no doubt that Armidale will work closely with the refugees settling here to ensure they can take up all the opportunities available to those who choose to embrace the great lifestyle available in regional Australia.”

    The move comes after the federal government settled 250 Yazidis, who survived the Islamic State genocide in Syria, in the regional NSW city of Wagga Wagga.

    Social Services Minister Christian Porter said the government was trying to settle refugees outside major cities.

    He said Australia’s refugee intake would increase from 16,250 per year to 18,750 by 2019.

    “It’s important that through our settlement services we encourage more settlement in regional areas,” Mr Porter said.

  234. If the alternative is a late term abortion, then the (by far) lesser evil, if it is even evil, would be to pay the mother to have the child and then give it up for adoption.

    A purely libertarian view would be to allow women to not carry the child, but not kill it. It would become the responsibility of the state until it could fend for itself.

    This is of course problematic for early term abortions as survival likelihood is effectively zero. It could be improved however by limiting the window for this to occur until there is survivability. Of course, this is not a simple solution but does protect to some extent the rights of the mother and child. But again, at best, it’s a “least worst” option.

    Why would it be contrary to a ‘purely libertarian view’ not simply to ask her to carry the child until it can be safely taken from her care? If I’m on a boat and wake up to find the survivor of a shipwreck on my boat, is the ‘purely libertarian view’ that I can remove the survivor from the my boat but not kill him/her?Why not simply conclude that my obligation to the survivor is simply to povide basic sustenance and care, and to carry him or her to the nearest safe port?

  235. Anne

    Cory Bernadi wants us out of UNCHR control of refugee decisions,

    It is a good start.

    Sadly, it’s a drop in the ocean.

    …which is flat by the way.

  236. Yeah righto, Professor Stuyvesant.

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