Wednesday Forum: August 16, 2017

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  1. Robert Mc

    do you not know how parliament works?

    ROTFLMAO

  2. C.L.

    Ted Kennedy not only hit the accelerator, he then abandoned a woman to slowly drown in a submerged Oldsmobile. Barack Obama gave the eulogy at his funeral. Obama endorsed the killing.

  3. stackja

    Memoirs of General P. H. Sheridan, v2 CHAPTER IV

    Custer reached Charlottesville the 3d, in the afternoon, and was met at the outskirts by a deputation of its citizens, headed by the mayor, who surrendered the town with medieval ceremony, formally handing over the keys of the public buildings and of the University of Virginia.

  4. Roger

    ROTFLMAO

    Don’t wet yourself while you’re down there.

  5. stackja

    calli
    #2472447, posted on August 18, 2017 at 9:42 am
    There’s a total solar eclipse over North America next week.

    What’s the bet the media blame Trump?

    Or Hank?

    A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court
    From Wikipedia

    Hank is ridiculed at King Arthur’s court for his strange appearance and dress and is sentenced by King Arthur’s court (particularly the magician Merlin) to burn at the stake on 21 June. By a stroke of luck, the date of the burning coincides with a historical solar eclipse in the year 528, of which Hank had learned in his earlier life. While in prison, he sends the boy he christens Clarence (whose real name is Amyas le Poulet) to inform the King that he will blot out the sun if he is executed. Hank believes the current date to be 20 June; however, it is actually the 21st when he makes his threat, the day that the eclipse will occur at 12:03 p.m. When the King decides to burn him, the eclipse catches Hank by surprise. But he quickly uses it to his advantage and convinces the people that he caused the eclipse. He makes a bargain with the King, is released, and becomes the second most powerful person in the kingdom.

  6. stackja

    Sparkx
    #2472455, posted on August 18, 2017 at 9:46 am
    Kathy Gelding personified

    He?

  7. C.L.

    Cameron Stewart needs to see a psychiatrist:

    ‘Our culture being ripped apart’
    CAMERON STEWART
    Donald Trump compounded his failure to fully condemn white ­supremacists over Charlottesville by criticising the removal of Confederate statues.

    Stewart has now joined the ISIS left in wanting to blow up statues.

  8. Senile Old Guy

    Shocked, I am!

    ACTIVIST asylum seekers on Manus Island claiming their life is hell have taken holidays at an idyllic island and posed for tourist photos akin to a boisterous buck’s weekend. And in an embarrassing blow to left-leaning protest group GetUp!, the face of its new campaign to bring asylum seekers to Australia is one of the wayfarers.

    Exclusively obtained by The Courier-Mail, “Ben” poses in a number of photos with his iphone headphones and jewellery, wrestling with his mates and sipping coconut milk from straws. Ben’s real name is Behnam Moghimi Kivaj. He is from Iran and has formed a close-knit group of friends, including Nouhad Al Aboudi from Iraq, Zubio Kham Orakzai from Pakistan and Walid Zazai, who all tried to get to Australia by boat and have been detained in PNG for up to four years.

    These are the “persecuted” people.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    do you not know how parliament works?

    It’s run by Kiwis and foreigners right?
    Am I close?

  10. John64

    Kathy Gelding personified

    He?

    “She’s” got sideburns.

  11. Roger

    Democrats destroy statue of Abraham Lincoln in Chicago.

    As predicted.

    A profanity was spray painted on the Lincoln Memorial a day or so ago.

  12. Robert Mc

    Don’t wet yourself

    That seems to be your problem, Rog. Maybe you should go change your duds.

    Despite Brandis’ histrionics to the faux approbation of Labor and the Greens, Paulines well-staged entrance as a prelude to her question and the question itself made her point very well.

  13. calli

    failure to fully condemn white ­supremacists

    I presume “fully condemn” means personally escorting them to the electric chair and flipping the switch.

  14. H B Bear

    Watching Cameron Stewart’s Trump Derangement Syndrome advance reminds me of this.

  15. Roger

    “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    The totalitarian of whatever ideological stripe – Communist, Fascist, AntiFa SJW or Islamist cannot acknowledge this.

  16. stackja

    C.L.
    #2472456, posted on August 18, 2017 at 9:48 am
    New: Democrats destroy statue of Abraham Lincoln in Chicago
    .

    Police Protect Alderman Who Has Denounced Gang-Related Shootings
    May 8, 2017 9:49 PM By Charlie De Mar
    (CBS) – A Chicago alderman is under police protection after speaking out against gang-related shootings in his ward.

    CBS 2’s Charlie De Mar reports.

    Chicago police kept watch in front of 15th Ward Ald. Raymond Lopez’s office on Monday, after he reportedly was threatened by gang members in the community.

    The alleged threat comes the day after a mass shooting in the Brighton Park neighborhood that left two people dead and eight injured.

    Friends gathered for a memorial, and police say the shooting was retaliation for an earlier gang killing.

  17. Ivan Denisovich

    Maurice Newman is right. Why must richer states subisidise poorer ones through the GST collection when some, like South Australia, are making themselves poorer through insane green ideology? Why are we subsidising stupidity?

    Newman:

    For example, while Tasmania is richly endowed with nature’s gifts, commercial exploitation consistently has been rejected by Green ideologues. These anti-business decisions have contributed to per capita gross product being 17 per cent, and household income 32 per cent, below the national average. But the Grants Commission rewards Tasmania’s self-inflicted poverty with an 80 per cent GST return above its contribution. No wonder 70 per cent of Tasmanians look to the government and the mainland for a living. That’s their prerogative, but it’s not a reason for mainlanders to subsidise the nonconformist lifestyle Tasmanians have chosen.

    The same goes for South Australia. As compensation for its policy madness, Adelaide receives 44 per cent more from the GST pot than it contributes as well as a $50bn pork-barrel federal contract to build submarines.

    South Australia is a perfect example of a state we should let stew in its own juice.

    It has made itself poorer by:

    banning a nuclear waste facility that would have earned as much as $2 billion a year.
    banning genetically modified crops – the only mainland state still to do so.
    promoting green energy schemes that have put coal-fired power stations out of business and given South Australia the highest electricity prices in the world.
    imposing a new bank tax.

    Then there are the endless restrictions on developments, taxes, and the rest.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/why-subsidise-mad-green-south-australians/news-story/f9a4d4560f20017e0828ff7a5bbe026d

    Agreed. We should be savagely reducing the size and reach of the Federal Govt and encouraging competition between the States. The Greens would object mightily as they would correctly see it as a threat to implementation of green policies/theology, so that’s a plus. To her credit, the NSW Premier is mouthing support for this.

  18. H B Bear

    Chicago could really do with a good Community Organiser. Someone who can bring the community together.

  19. stackja

    Sydney airport: Flights cancelled, delayed as damaging winds hit
    AUGUST 18, 2017 9:40AM

    WILD weather has sparked major delays at Sydney Airport this morning with at least 60 flights cancelled and many more delayed.
    Travellers have been advised to check with their individual airlines with warnings that further delays are likely to occur as the wind gusts pick up.
    An Air Services Australia spokeswoman told news.com.au that 60 flights have been cancelled so far this morning.
    “We are advising passengers check with their individual airlines for further details,” she said.

  20. stackja

    H B Bear
    #2472475, posted on August 18, 2017 at 10:02 am
    Chicago could really do with a good Community Organiser. Someone who can bring the community together.

    Richard J. Daley
    From Wikipedia

  21. This was Vanstone in the Age a little over a few days ago:

    Tony Abbott’s been wrapping his tongue around the word honour quite a bit lately. It’s embarrassing. He seems to think it’s a word that if used enough will bestow the quality of honour on the user. It doesn’t work that way.

    If, after you lost the confidence of your colleagues and they chose a new leader, you promised not to snipe and undermine, that might be an indication of an intent to behave as an honourable person. It only becomes a reality if you live up to that promise.

    Abbott has trashed that commitment. There’s no honour in that. When as leader you ride roughshod over cabinet with captain’s picks, when you indulge yourself by making announcements that leave your party with the choice of all-out war with you or letting you get away with it (again), there’s no honour in that either. Putting yourself ahead of the team is not honourable.

    It’s just an opinion but it is my view that Abbott has done more than any other politician to trash the standing of politics and politicians. He’s had a really good education and been given every opportunity by his party. We expected more. We got less.

    Remember, this is the guy who, as a politician, ran the argument “Don’t trust the politicians” in the republic referendum debate. People on all sides were amazed at such a blatant undermining of the institution of parliament. When you undermine parliament, you undermine democracy. What kind of mind enters parliament and then trashes it for the sake of one debate?

    It’s almost unbelievable to hear him speak as though he has some insight into why people are turned off politics at the moment. If he did have that insight, he wouldn’t behave the way he does. If he had a quick look in the mirror he’d see what it is that aggravates people about politics today. He’d see someone who is behaving as though what’s important is his importance.

    The people don’t get a look-in. His first priority is to advance his own position, to make life hard for Malcolm Turnbull. In Abbott’s eyes, Turnbull took his job. The truth is the party room took his job because he wasn’t doing it well.

    He’d see someone who is great on the bif-bif and short on sensible policy. He’d see someone who has real trouble finding common ground with others. He wants the whole ground to himself. Worse, he’d see someone who thinks he’s better than all his colleagues. I’ve met some fairly self-centred people in my life but he truly takes the cake.

    Take as an example the story of him having apparently fathered a child in his younger days. This story was common knowledge amongst parliamentarians. In a perfectly honourable fashion, nobody raised it. Why should they? Your private life is your private life. That whole saga played out into the public domain because Abbott liked it there.

    I don’t know if it was a calculated exercise to clear a skeleton out of the closet in preparation for future leadership tilts, or a genuine case of remorse for not having played a role in the life of a child he thought he’d fathered. What is relevant to me is that it was all so public. Bad luck for the mother and the thought-to-be son, they were dragged into the Abbott media vortex. For what? Well, it’s always been about Tony.

    This was part of article ostensibly promoting the ‘Yes’ case, and yet she spends about a quarter attacking Abbott. Her argument in favour of the proposition is dreadful, BTW. Horrible woman.

  22. stackja

    2GB reports Sky NXT making inquiries.

  23. stackja

    Xenophon seeks UK citizenship clarification
    Published: 10:00 am, Friday, 18 August 2017
    South Australian senator Nick Xenophon is making enquiries to establish whether he may be a British citizen.

    The leader of the Nick Xenophon Team is seeking clarification with the UK Home Office over possible citizenship by descent from his father.

    His father was from Cyprus, which was a British colony until 1960, and travelled to Australia as a Briton.

    Senator Xenophon was born in Australia but has lodged an inquiry to confirm his status this week.

  24. C.L.

    Amanda Vanstone: another childless freak woman in politics.
    Achieved nothing.
    Christopher Pyne’s favourite fag hag – enough said.

  25. Top Ender

    Easy gig!

    Whish-Wilson holds the Green’s portfolios of Finance, Consumer Affairs, Fisheries, Whaling, Marine (Tas) and Antarctica, Trade, Defence, Veterans’ Affairs….

    Finance – easy, spend everything
    Consumer Affairs – if people want to be ripped off by capitalists too bad
    Fisheries – banned
    Whaling – banned
    Marine (Tas) – banned
    Antarctica – no more visiting or basing
    Trade – don’t make me laugh
    Defence – abolished
    Veterans’ Affairs – hahahahahahahaha

  26. I am looking forward to Nazis and Juggalos marching in DC on September 16. It would be terrible if the Juggalos started punching Nazis, just awful. I would be crestfallen.

  27. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2472479, posted on August 18, 2017 at 10:04 am

    And she ‘liked’ the Sudanese.

  28. Senile Old Guy

    But Coalition frontbencher Simon Birmingham accused Senator Hanson of undermining the work of Australia’s law enforcement agencies. “It was an appalling stunt. It was an insult to Senate conventions and practice. It was an insult to many thousands of hard-working, law-abiding Australians,” Senator Birmingham told Lateline. “It was something that undermines the hard work of our law enforcement agencies.”

    Remind me! Why are our law enforcement agencies working so hard? Is there a particular group that is of special concern? Are there people deliberately planning to attack us?

    This guy, and the rest of the special snowflakes applauded by the ALP and Greens, are the reason the Liberal Party is in the dumps.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Trade – don’t make me laugh
    Defence – abolished
    Veterans’ Affairs – hahahahahahahaha

    Show some respect, Top Ender – the good Senator is a Duntroon Graduate..it was said that Duntroon graduates were gentlemen trying to be officers, Portsea graduates were officers, trying to be gentlemen, and Scheyville graduates were neither, trying to be both..

  30. stackja

    Senile Old Guy
    #2472487, posted on August 18, 2017 at 10:11 am

    SB is Minister for Gonski and Roz.

  31. Sorry, she spent about a two-thirds of it attacking Abbott.

    Amanda Vanstone: another childless freak woman in politics.
    Achieved nothing.

    Indeed. Which explains her continuing frustration and hatred of the institution, properly understood.

  32. Roger

    What on earth did Tony Abbott do to Amanda Vanstone? She even obliquely questions his sexuality in that piece!

    Btw, Amanda, homosexuals can already have their relationships registered in all states and territories except WA & NT, where such relationships are treated as de facto relationships in law.

  33. pete m

    Monty the only nazis around are your antifa thugs so stfu clown.

  34. stackja

    In 1902, the first Commander of the Australian Military Forces, Major-General Sir Edward Hutton, recommended that a military college be established. The government instructed then Colonel William Throsby Bridges to visit and report on the military colleges in England, Canada and the United States. As its first Commandant, with the rank of Brigadier-General, Bridges chose the sheep station at Duntroon, then owned by the Campbell family, as the site for the Military College. By June 1911, the essential buildings had been constructed, the staff appointed and the first intake of 32 Australians and 10 New Zealanders admitted.

    In 1947, a revised four-year course was introduced which included alternative academic courses in Arts or Science, and later, in Engineering. These courses enabled graduates to receive exemptions, up to half a degree, on the civilian courses conducted at Universities. The military curriculum was aimed to achieve the balance between the short-term requirements of a junior regimental officer and the broader foundation necessary for senior ranks within the Army.

  35. Senile Old Guy

    Marcus Strom is a Sydney journalist and media advisor. And a bit of a dill.

    The debacle over Section 44 of the constitution, which has already seen two MPs leave the Parliament and threatens to bring down the Government, shows the document has outlived its use-by date.

    No, it shows that the MPs were not following the rules. If they did, there would be no crisis.

    And what would the dill like to see?

    Of qualitatively higher order priority is a treaty with Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders; a voice in parliament for Indigenous Australians; the establishment of a democratic republic; abolition of the states; recognition of local and regional government; and a bill of rights to secure citizens’ freedoms against bureaucracy, big business, and fickle government administration.

    Other places have a bill of rights; it does not seem that effective. But, of course, the number one priority is a treaty and special powers in parliament for the indigenous.

    There is a reason we are reluctant to change the Constitution. Many of us are in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” camp.

    You do not tinker with something that has worked fairly well, for some time, because nongs in parliament don’t know which countries they are citizens of.

  36. H B Bear

    Amanda Vanstone: another childless freak woman in politics.
    Achieved nothing.

    A lightweight. No wonder she’s an ALPBC favourite if John Hewson is off carpet bagging and can’t make it to Ultimo in time.

  37. val majkus

    Maurice Newman is right. Why must richer states subisidise poorer ones through the GST collection when some, like South Australia, are making themselves poorer through insane green ideology? Why are we subsidising stupidity?

    Spot on Ivan

  38. Leo G

    Muslim Labor MP and radicalisation expert Anne Aly, who was furious at Senator Hanson’s stunt, said it did not promote respectful debate. ‘‘It is banned in a number of countries where it is banned, but I can’t think of one single country that got that ban through by wearing a burka in the Senate. There are respectful ways of having discussions, and there are effective ways of having discussion,” Ms Aly told Sky News.

    Senator Hanson did not demonstrate that wearing a burqa in the Senate was the security risk. The security risk she highlighted was the politically correct parliamentary security response to a person in a burqa walking through parliament house and into the Senate chamber. The response of no response.

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Red Ruby Scarlet; the long march through the institutions personified.

    A case study in mental dysfunction.

  40. Snoopy

    Steady on. Show some respect. Mandy Vanstone is the ABC’s sole conservative voice.

  41. Slayer of Memes

    BREAKING: Wasserman Schultz’s Ex-IT Aide Imran Awan Indicted on Four Counts

    FOX News reports former IT aide for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Imran Awan, has been indicted on four counts. In July, Awan was arrested at Dulles airport while trying to flee the United States.

    Per FOX News:

    Imran Awan, a former IT aide for Democratic Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was indicted Thursday on four counts including bank fraud and making false statements.

    The indictment also includes his wife Hina Alvi.

    The grand jury decision in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia comes roughly a month after Awan was arrested at Dulles airport in Virginia trying to board a plane to Pakistan, where his family is from.

    Awan and other IT aides for House Democrats have been on investigators’ radar for months over concerns of possible double-billing, alleged equipment theft, and access to sensitive computer systems. Most lawmakers fired Awan in February, but Schultz had kept him on until his arrest in July.

    The indictment itself, which merely represents formal charges and is not a finding of guilt, addresses separate allegations that Awan and his wife engaged in a conspiracy to obtain home equity lines of credit from the Congressional Federal Credit Union by giving false information about two properties – and then sending the proceeds to individuals in Pakistan.

    The Gateway Pundit previously reported former DNC Head Debbie Wasserman Schultz recently broke her silence on arrested IT staffer Imran Awan, saying she has no regrets about keeping him on the payroll after he was blocked from working on Capitol Hill.

    Orlando Sentinel reports:

    Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz defiantly stands by her decision to keep an information technology aide on her payroll for six months after he was banned from the House network and fired by other members of Congress.

    “I believe that I did the right thing, and I would do it again,” Wasserman Schultz said Thursday in an exclusive interview with the Sun Sentinel. “There are times when you can’t be afraid to stand alone, and you have to stand up for what’s right.

    “It would have been easier for me to just fire him,” she said.

    The Weston Democrat did fire Imran Awan last week after he was arrested on bank fraud charges at an airport while trying to leave the country.

    As the former Democratic National Committee chairwoman, Wasserman Schultz is the most prominent Democrat who employed Awan. Her decision to keep employing Awan has been under fire from her Democratic primary challenger, Republicans and multiple conservative websites. They’ve suggested Wasserman Schultz is hiding something and the Awan matter is much more serious than she’s letting on.

    His arrest, the congresswoman said, had nothing to do with the months-long investigation of Awan as an IT worker for a variety of members of Congress. An FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaint said Awan and his wife claimed a property used to secure a home equity line of credit was a “principal residence,” when it was, in fact, a rental property. Wasserman Schultz said there still hasn’t been any evidence presented that he’s done anything wrong involving his work for Congress.

    The political prospects of former DNC Head Debbie Wasserman Schultz have dried up following the Awan brothers scandal. Wasserman Schultz kept a Pakistan IT staffer on her payroll long after he was accused of stealing computer equipment and sensitive information from Capitol Hill. Awan was arrested last month after attempting to flee the U.S.

    Florida Democrats want Wasserman Schultz to “just go away.”

    POLITICO repots (sic):

    The chatter about a House leadership post is gone. So is talk of statewide office. After Hillary Clinton’s defeat, there’s no prospect of an administration job for Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    One year after the Florida congresswoman’s resignation as national party chair at the Democratic National Convention — where activists booed and shouted “shame!” at her during a Florida delegation breakfast speech — the once-rising star’s political fortunes continue to fade, beset by critics on all sides.

    Wasserman Schultz is again on defenseafter (sic) steadfastly refusing to explain why she continued to employ Imran Awan, an IT staffer who was under a federal investigation for alleged equipment and data scam in the U.S. House since February. She finally fired him on July 25, one day after authorities arrested him on a seemingly unrelated mortgage fraud charge. He was at the airport leaving for Pakistan, after wiring $283,000 there.

    The firing came a full six months after about two dozen House Democrats dismissed four of Awan’s relatives and a friend, all of whom were under investigation with him.

    Wasserman Schultz broke her public silence on Awan last week, portraying herself as the victim of “right wing media” attacks rooted in anti-Muslim bigotry aimed at Awan and the IT group.

    But fellow Democrats are as confounded and disbelieving as ever by her penchant for making puzzling and stubborn political missteps.

    We wish she would go away and stop being so public by doubling down on negative stories,” said Nikki Barnes, a progressive DNC member from Florida, who believes Wasserman Schultz left the national party “in shambles” while chair, culminating with the hack of DNC servers and the release of embarrassing internal emails by WikiLeaks in the 2016 campaign. As for Wasserman Schultz’s defense, Barnes said “none of this makes sense. It doesn’t sound like racial profiling … there must have been something for her.”

    Hey mOnty

    Want to remind us all how this is a big ‘nothingburger’, and how it was all going to blow over?

    (Btw, why don’t we hear anything about WUSSIA from CNN et al lately??)

    No wonder you are here trying to push the narrative in other directions from those you’ve pushed for the last 6 months…. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia Eurasia Eastasia Eurasia, huh?

    Stupid.
    Fat.
    Dickhead.

  42. jupes

    CNN: There Will Be Questions About Whether Barcelona Attack Was ‘Copycat’ of Charlottesville

    And the answer will be “NO you stupid ignorant twit, now get out you are fired”.

    At least that is what should happen. But not in the very weird times we are living through.

    The so called dark ages could not possibly have reached the level of ignorance we witness every day.

  43. Senile Old Guy

    Yes, she is appalling.

    If, after you lost the confidence of your colleagues and they chose a new leader, you promised not to snipe and undermine, that might be an indication of an intent to behave as an honourable person. It only becomes a reality if you live up to that promise. Abbott has trashed that commitment. There’s no honour in that. When as leader you ride roughshod over cabinet with captain’s picks, when you indulge yourself by making announcements that leave your party with the choice of all-out war with you or letting you get away with it (again), there’s no honour in that either. Putting yourself ahead of the team is not honourable.

    But the only team Turnbull is interested in is his own, which is why he spent his time trashing Abbott, strangely not mentioned.

    It’s just an opinion but it is my view that Abbott has done more than any other politician to trash the standing of politics and politicians. He’s had a really good education and been given every opportunity by his party. We expected more. We got less.

    Hahahaha!

    Remember, this is the guy who, as a politician, ran the argument “Don’t trust the politicians” in the republic referendum debate. People on all sides were amazed at such a blatant undermining of the institution of parliament. When you undermine parliament, you undermine democracy. What kind of mind enters parliament and then trashes it for the sake of one debate?

    I guess he said “don’t trust the politicians” because, well, they couldn’t be trusted, especially if given more power,

    The people don’t get a look-in. His first priority is to advance his own position, to make life hard for Malcolm Turnbull. In Abbott’s eyes, Turnbull took his job. The truth is the party room took his job because he wasn’t doing it well.

    Actually, he did okay on some things but was constantly undermined by Turnbull and cronies. And what has Turnbull accomplished? Aside from losing most of the seats that Abbott won?

    What a pathetic woman.

  44. Top Ender

    Nicely done, Whish-Wilson: scored a free degree off the taxpayer for no service returned…

    …attended the Australian Defence Force Academy from 1986 to 1988, where he obtained a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics and Politics. He also attended Royal Military College, Duntroon in 1989, and was medically discharged from the Australian Army shortly afterwards.

  45. stackja

    Summer Box-Office Blues: Revenue Down 10 Percent So Far From 2016

    Ridley Scott’s ‘Alien: Covenant’ opened well behind expectations this weekend after last week’s dismal start for ‘King Arthur: The Legend of the Sword.’
    Director James Gunn’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 — with its gaggle of quirky superheroes — is the only summer 2017 tentpole to live up to the hype so far. Over the weekend, the Disney and Marvel superhero sequel grossed $35.1 million in its third outing, not that far behind the disappointing debut of Ridley Scott’s Alien: Covenant.

    Last weekend, Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow’s King Arthur fell on its sword with a $15.4 million domestic start, one of the worst openings ever for a big-budget studio tentpole. The movie declined 55 percent in its second outing to $6.8 million for a dull 10-day domestic total of $27.2 million and global tally of $93.4 million.

  46. Top Ender

    Oz web site:

    Barcelona terror attack LIVE: Spanish police say they have killed several suspects in a town southweat of Barcelona to prevent a second terror attack after at least 16 people were confirmed dead and 100 injured, including three Australians when a van ploughed into a crowd in Barcelona’s busy Las Ramblas district around 4.30pm local time on Thursday (1.30am Friday AEST). Two people were arrested and one shot dead in Barcelona as Islamic State claims responsibility. The van driver is still at large but a huge explosion 200km away has been linked to the attack.

  47. Slayer of Memes

    mOnty’s mates…

    Abraham Lincoln Freed the Slaves — Violent Alt-Left Thugs Torch His Chicago Statue Anyway

    Make no doubt about it — This is a Marxist revolution in America today.

    Fed by media lies, radical community organizers and millions of dumb leftists.

    Abraham Lincoln, the FIRST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, liberated the slaves.

    On January 1, 1863 Republicans freed the slaves.

    Republicans rejoiced. Democrats cursed.

    Grand Old Partisan reported:

    On New Year’s Day in 1863, the Republican Party’s Emancipation Proclamation came into effect. While Republicans rejoiced, Democrat politicians and newspapers denounced President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) for freeing slaves.

    Demonstrating their depravity, New York’s Gov. Horatio Seymour, who would be the 1868 Democrat presidential nominee, denounced the Emancipation Proclamation as “a proposal for the butchery of women and children.” The Louisville Daily Democrat called it “an outrage of all constitutional law, all human justice, all Christian feeling.”

    Despite the fact that Abraham Lincoln liberated the slaves and hundreds of thousands of American patriots fought a civil war to make all men free — violent leftists in Chicago torched the Abraham Lincoln statue.

    The Washington Times reported:

    Abraham Lincoln has joined George Washington on the list of those targeted by Chicagoans in a national debate over Civil War-era monuments.

    Alderman Raymond Lopez took to Facebook Wednesday night to decry a defaced statue of the nation’s 16th president in the Englewood neighborhood. The giant bust appears to have been damaged after someone in the 15th Ward sprayed and ignited a flammable liquid.

    “What an absolute disgraceful act of vandalism. This bust of Abraham Lincoln, erected by Phil Bloomquist on August 31, 1926, was damaged & burned,” Mr. Lopez wrote, a local NBC affiliate reported. “If anyone has any information regarding this act, please contact the police or my office immediately.”

    “F- Abe Lincoln,” responded Quintin Mitchell, whose comment was “liked” or deemed “funny” by 160 others.

    Mmmmmyes… tell us again, Monty, how BLM and Antifa are the ‘good guys’, defending America from the ‘evil racists and bigots’ who want to reintroduce slavery…. by re-writing (or outright ignoring) history

    You.
    Stupid.
    Fat.
    Dickhead.

  48. Snoopy

     The Associated Press ✔ @AP
    BREAKING: Spanish police say they have killed several people south of Barcelona in response to a terrorist attack.
    10:04 AM – Aug 18, 2017

  49. stackja

    How many countries have confusing citizenship laws? Why are there dual citizenships?

  50. Ellen of Tasmania

    For example, while Tasmania is richly endowed with nature’s gifts, commercial exploitation consistently has been rejected by Green ideologues.

    Whatever you subsidise you get more of. Mind you, big-hissy-fit-north-island-reinforced-greenie-protests-with-lots-of-MSM-coverage doesn’t help a little island along.

    As per my longer post this a.m.:

    “There is no logical stopping point because we are not dealing with logic. We are dealing with what the Left wants, with what the Left demands, with what the Left is drumming its heels on the floor about.

    As we respond to the tantrum, it does not need to be reasoned discourse. It should be a simple no. Deal with it, buttercup. There is no need for argument in response because no arguments are being offered. There has been far too much appeasement already, and so the appeasement should skid to stop at the very next thing that is demanded. ”

    https://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/so-deal-with-it-buttercup.html

  51. Hey mOnty

    Want to remind us all how this is a big ‘nothingburger’, and how it was all going to blow over?

    Hey Slayer, where’s the evidence that this bloke was feeding classified info to the Russians, or whatever crazy conspiracy theory you had dreamed up? Seems like a small-time fraud case, nothing more. Schulz has rightly been shunned by the Democrats, she has no future in the party at any serious level. She seemed incompetent, so good riddance. Of course, people like her with long records of failure are now heading up major departments in the Trump administration.

    As for the Russia stuff, Mueller is working quietly and will indict when he’s good and ready. He has so much material to work with when it comes to corruption with the Trumps, it’s an embarrassment of riches.

  52. Tiny Dancer

    mOron, People who were never slaves are fighting people who were never Nazis over a confederate/democrat statue erected by democrats, because democrats can’t stand their own history anymore and somehow it’s Trumps fault? FFS.

    Then answer the question about Slipper, you’re breathless fans await your pearls of wisdom.

  53. Let us fathom the full depths of Vanstone’s stupidty:

    Let’s not listen any more to that rubbish about marriage being between a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others, for life.

    Our own laws support the “for life” rule going down the gurgler. Now it just means until such time as you think you might be happier in another marriage. “To the exclusion of all others” is less and less a likely outcome. The only one left is “between a man and a woman”.

    Most people don’t marry with the thought that their marriage should not persevere for the duration of their lives. But let’s leave that aside, her next criticism, that ‘exclusivity’ is a less likely outcome nowadays is neither here nor there. No one who is married imagines that infidelity is a small matter that doesn’t threaten the marriage. I have no idea what she thinks this establishes but she’s confusing norms with outcomes. It’s like arguing that friendship no longer excludes treachery because treachery between friends is now a more likely outcome. To return to marriage, the effect of her argument is the further claim that fidelity in marriage is simply a contingent matter; certainly, that the spouses should have no expectations of the other remaining faithful or of this being fitting in marriage. It’s really bizarre.

    Of course, proponents of the ‘Yes’ will never tire of actually mentioning how faithful Adam and Steve are, and how devoted they are to each other; claims that can only have any force re marriage if they were in fact marks of marriage. It’s shoddy reasoning all the way down with these people.

  54. Snoopy

    GST should fund the Commonwealth. Income taxes and company taxes should be set by, and fund, the states.

  55. val majkus

    well, well; was it a setup?

    Evidence is turning up from, of all places, the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as Breitbart and others, that this character, Jason Kessler, who organized the suspicious and supposed Alt-Right demonstration in Charlottesville, Va. that blew up in everyone’s face, is a cunning lefty holdover from the Occupy Wall Street movement and a former Barack Obama supporter. I smell Soros money, sabotage, and Democrat dirty tricks here.

    I’ve been suspicious of the nature of the violence at this supposed Alt-Right demonstration since the news first began breaking. It is no secret that radical elements in the Democrat left have been routinely utilizing violence when it suits their purposes. We also know via secret tapings by Project Veritas that the Democratic Party has a semi-official director of dirty ops, Dick Creamer, who hires, trains, and emplaces professional disruptors to encounter, engage, and infiltrate conservative demonstrations to foment violence, assuring that the demonstrations then become the targets of negative media attention – naturally, against the conservative side. Creamer was caught on videotape boasting about his nefarious capabilities when he thought he was in friendly company.

    So here we now have another blown supposedly conservative demonstration, where violence erupts and people are killed, and guess who just happens to be a ringleader of the various ultra-right to Alt-Right organizations ranging from KKK and neo-Nazis to the kind of patriotic folks who might go to a Flag Day celebration! Um, that would be our vaporous political will o’ the wisp, Jason Kessler, whose Occupy activities may well have put him in operational cahoots with high-level Democrat operatives. And owing to the leniency of Virginia open carry laws, too many of Jason’s followers just had to parade their personal armories in all their camo combat gear, showing off their minuteman firepower. My first reaction at seeing those clowns strutting down the street like they were in Mosul was, like that of many of my fellow NRA members and military veterans, shaking my fist and yelling at the TV, “No! No! No, you idiots! No!” And that kind of award-winning stupidity makes me wonder if the head planner for the event, Jason Soros…er, Kessler, didn’t have that firepower demonstration all lined up and ready to go precisely to make those right-wing tools look just like the fools they were being, while scaring the bejeezus out of the lefties, blacks, and MSM twerps.

    There’s still not enough evidence on the actual violence, other than the schizophrenic kid who ran over the woman, to make any kind of assessment as to who did what in the confrontations between the right-wing demonstrators and the surprisingly strong counter-demonstration. I have to wonder if this Kessler fellow, strong Barack Obama-supporter that he is, had a hand in making sure his Alt-Right marchers were clearly guaranteed to encounter a strong crowd of riled up counter-protesters as well. The reporting of Kessler’s background, as well as that of Charlottesville mayor and Democrat activist Mike Signer and Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy, has convinced me that Charlottesville was a Democratic Party black operation, planned, organized, and carried out to its successful conclusion, to make the media portray all these conservative whites as stupid, racist, and violent. I believe that it was done by this soulless young man, who succeeded in selling himself to the dumb-bunny right-wingers as one of them.

  56. Why we should have a same-sex marriage plebiscite, and why I’ll vote no: Zed Seselja

    My views on marriage have been well known for a long time: that while all legal protections and rights should be afforded to same sex couples (as the Parliament has done), there is a place for preserving the unique nature of marriage as between a man and a woman as the ideal place to raise children.

    That doesn’t mean other families aren’t able to provide stable and loving homes for their kids or that married men and women aren’t sometimes neglectful or abusive.

    But research has shown, such as the 2011 report, For Kid’s Sake, by Professor Patrick Parkinson of the University of Sydney and studies by Douglas Allen (2015) in Canada and Paul Sullins (2015) in the US, that children do best on both emotional and educational measures when they are raised by their biological mother and father. It is not a reflection on anyone’s relationship to say that a man can’t be a mother and a woman can’t be a father.

    This is why redefining marriage is more than just a question about adult relationships.

    RTWT.

  57. Snoopy

    Hey Slayer, where’s the evidence that this bloke was feeding classified info to the Russians, or whatever crazy conspiracy theory you had dreamed up?

    The plea bargaining will be entertaing.

  58. Slayer of Memes

    Leftist MSM: “White supremacists represent the biggest violent threat in the world today….”

    Islamic terrorists: “Hold my hookah…”

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    Summer Box-Office Blues: Revenue Down 10 Percent So Far From 2016

    When entertainment goes political (which means lefty) watch the right walk away. Righties have imaginations: there’s always something else fun to do.

    Next financial disaster: the NFL season, as yet more overpaid lefty footballers go the full TDS.

  60. Despite the fact that Abraham Lincoln liberated the slaves and hundreds of thousands of American patriots fought a civil war to make all men free — violent leftists in Chicago torched the Abraham Lincoln statue.

    You have no evidence that it was leftists. That statue has a history of being used as a territory marker by local gangs.

    The nose on this one had worn off years ago, it was sculpted to sit on private property as an advertisement for a gas station so it’s not as if it’s this big sombre memorial with the powerful backing of the state. There are 90 other Lincoln statues in Chicago. Stop trying to play the victim.

  61. C.L.

    Amanda Vanstone: another childless freak woman in politics.
    Achieved nothing.
    ———————–
    A lightweight.

    As criticisms go, that’s probably a first for her.

  62. Snoopy

    Summer Box-Office Blues: Revenue Down 10 Percent So Far From 2016

    I suspect climate change has something to do with this.

  63. Senile Old Guy

    And it’s worth noting that the Australian Parliament has already considered the question of redefining marriage with four separate bills voted down on the floor of the Parliament between 2010 and 2013. Given the impasse, a public vote is a fair way to resolve the issue.

    This issue has been resolved four times, unfortunately parliament keeps giving the “wrong” answer.

  64. Tom

    You have no evidence that it was leftists.

    Aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  65. C.L.

    You have no evidence that it was leftists.

    Ahahahahahahaha.
    Mmyes, the Lincoln statue in Chicago could have been torched by a local white Republican.

  66. val majkus

    President Donald Trump will rescind an Obama administration policy requiring government agencies to take into account global warming-induced flooding and sea level rise for federally-funded projects.

    Trump will repeal the climate order that President Barack Obama signed in 2015 as part of a broader effort to streamline infrastructure permitting. Administration officials said the current process is long and cumbersome.

    “For far too long, critical projects have been delayed by duplicative permitting and environmental requirements which added time and unnecessary expenses to much needed projects,” Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao said in a statement obtained by Bloomberg.

    Trump wants to push a $200 billion infrastructure spending bill through Congress this fall, which he hopes will mobilize $800 billion in state and private funding. A cumbersome permitting process could hold up infrastructure projects.

    Furthermore, Obama’s executive order to “improve the resilience of communities and federal assets against the impacts of flooding” could increase the upfront costs or even eliminate projects in the pipeline.

    Obama wrote sea level rise and flooding are “anticipated to increase over time due to the effects of climate change and other threats.”

    Obama’s order required federally-funded projects to be two feet above the 100-year floodplain. Hospitals and other critical buildings must be three feet above the historic floodplain.

    The Obama administration also issued a rule requiring federally-financed single family homes must be built two feet above the 100-year floodplain. The National Association of Home Builders worried this rule could increase construction costs and make it harder to build low-income affordable housing.

    Environmentalists were critical of Trump’s plan to rollback the 2015 order, as was the right-leaning R Street Institute.

    “Taxpayers have been made to shell out hundreds of billions of dollars in disaster-related spending over the past decade, including more than $136 billion for just the two years from 2011 to 2013,” senior fellow R.J. Lehmann said in a statement.

    “By contrast, evidence shows that every $1 spent on disaster mitigation can save $4 in post-disaster recovery and rebuilding costs,” Lehmann said.

  67. Mother Lode

    “To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.” – Voltaire

    There has been a slight change in this.

    It is not that Muzzies rule over us, but the ‘elites’ use Muzzies as a stalking horse for themselves to rule over us. Along with other victim groups.

  68. C.L.

    It is now real:

    Democrats call for Mt Rushmore to be “blown up.”

    VICE Magazine has since deleted the original article… an editor’s note in the article:

    Editor’s note: The headline and URL of this story have been updated. We do not condone violence in any shape or form, and the use of “blow up” in the original headline as a rhetorical device was misguided and insensitive. We apologize for the error.

    So now they are saying ‘Get Rid of Mount Rushmore’.

  69. stackja

    D’Souza: Racist Democrat Woodrow Wilson ‘a Pretty Good Candidate to Have His Statue Pulled Down’

    Author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza spoke with Breitbart News Daily SiriusXM host Alex Marlow on Wednesday regarding his new book The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left and also the Leftist-driven attacks on monuments.
    In pointing out the deep-rooted ties between the American left, Nazism, and racism, D’Souza said, “Woodrow Wilson is almost single-handedly responsible for the revival of the Ku Klux Klan,” pointing out that Republicans had all but shut the Klan down prior to Wilson’s political ascendance.

    He continued, “For several years there was no Ku Klux Klan and then Woodrow Wilson in the early 20th century screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House and it instigated a Klan revival. The Klan even spread to states where it wasn’t there previously, states outside the South.”

    “So, if anyone is going to be going on pulling down statues,” he added, “Woodrow Wilson is a pretty good candidate to have his statue pulled down.” Wilson was a Democrat.

  70. Senile Old Guy

    Despite not agreeing with the decision to conduct the postal survey I will be voting “yes” and I will vote “yes” in any parliamentary vote. I want to see same-sex couples enjoy the same legal rights that I do when it comes to marriage and I want to see it happen as soon as possible.

    As far as I know, they have the same rights, except to the word “married”.

    In 2013 the High Court of Australia, when considering the constitutionality of the ACT Legislative Assembly’s Marriage Equality Act, found that legislating for marriage equality was exclusively a matter for the federal parliament. Some four years on from that decision the government has refused to allow a free vote in the parliament to progress equality and same-sex couples have instead had to endure more years of delay and discrimination.

    No discrimination. And “delay” means this MP seems “gay marriage” as inevitable, so people should simply acquiesce now.

  71. stackja

    2GB reports Oberon NSW snow. Climate change!

  72. the Lincoln statue in Chicago

    You say that like it was the only one. There are over 90 of them. #fakenews

  73. srr

    YourVoice™ America (8/17) “Media Embraces Antifa!”
    Bill Mitchell

  74. thefrolickingmole

    Shameless, absolutely shameless sophistry from the chap whos been the leading purveyor of the “Wussia” bullshit.
    Have you tracked down the prostitutes or urine soaked mattress also mentioned in the dodgy dossier yet Monty? All from the same source as your “Wussia” collusion case.

    where’s the evidence that this bloke was feeding classified info to the Russians, or whatever crazy conspiracy theory you had dreamed up?

  75. notafan

    According to Fat Fingers ( Absent Brain) everything that ever happens that doesn’t suit his narrative is fake, fine then, lets talk about really important thinks like cow pats, hollow rocks and mars tunnels, shall we?

    What about the Bourke Street mass killing Fat Fingers that one a fake too?

  76. Philby

    My vote goes to One Nation. A burka is a political statement and nothing more as is not a cult requirement.

  77. I can’t recall a single achievement by Amanda Vanstone. Not one.

  78. Dinesh D’Souza

    Poor old Dinesh. He spends all that time writing a book about how liberals are the real Nazis, and then an actual Nazi proves him wrong with a murderous act of domestic terrorism at a pro-Trump rally. Everything he says about it has been invalidated by immediate reality.

  79. Robert Mc

    Hanson sat wearing the burka for 18 minutes before being called to ask a question.

    Snoopy, here again is the video I linked upthread

    Pauline walks in and is properly seated by 8 seconds.
    The President (not the Speaker, Rog) begins talking at 18 seconds.
    The President gives Pauline the call at 30 seconds.
    Pauline rises, removes the burka, and begins her question at 31 seconds.

    Give up, you can’t face-plant better than the frolickingmole.

  80. Mother Lode

    There are respectful ways of having discussions, and there are effective ways of having discussion,” Ms Aly told Sky News.

    Their way of being effective is demanding that their opponents are respectful.

    They can shout, lie, malign, interrupt, or just hit you.

    You must keep your voice down, never butt in, and never say anything unpleasant no matter how true it might be. Oh, and be prepared to apologise and plead whenever you are called a Nazi or Racist since the very words must never be suffered to be spoken.

    Properly excluding that where Muzzis culture squatted on seats of learning of others and pretended that the residual warmth was their own, we find Islam does not really have much of an intellectual tradition.

    Ms Aly is very traditional.

  81. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1010

    It would be terrible if the Juggalos started punching Nazis, just awful. I would be crestfallen.

    Two pounts.

    m0nty’s definition of “nazis” is anyone whose political views he doesn’t like.

    m0nty is quite cool with political violence, as long as it is directedcagainst those whose views he doesn’t like.

    Explains why he won’t condemn the crimes of communism – his only concern is that Stalin, Mao, et al were too soft.

    Communist!

  82. Bruce of Newcastle

    I suspect climate change has something to do with this.

    Yep.

    ‘Resign!’: Al Gore Suggests Trump Should Step Aside (overnight)

    Gore: The Gift That Keeps on Giving (also overnight)

    In other words, the best way to stop climate action is to give Gore more air time. And memo to Hillary Clinton: please please please make a movie about climate change. It would probably kill off the issue once and for all.

    😀
    Oh, and while I’m at it…

    Question Al Gore on climate change and he’ll call you a ‘denier’ (tomorrow)

    The subtitle of Al Gore’s new film is ‘Truth to Power’, which is supposed to give the impression of brave old Al fighting for right against the mighty fossil fuel establishment. But it is somewhat ironic, given his response when the power being challenged is Gore himself. The former vice president was in London last week to promote his new film and I, along with the world’s press, was invited to a private screening before being allotted an entire eight minutes talking with the great man.

    When I put all this to Al Gore and ask him whether his film would be stronger if it acknowledged the complexities of sea level rise — why it is rising in some places and not in others — I am expecting him to bat it away, saying that it doesn’t counter his central point and that there is a limit to what you can put into a film pitched at a mass audience, but his reaction surprises me. As soon as I mention Professor Wdowinski’s name, he counters: ‘Never heard of him — is he a denier?’ Then, as I continue to make the point, he starts to answer before directing it at me: ‘Are you a denier?’ When I say I am sure that climate change is a problem, but how big a one I don’t know, he jumps in: ‘You are a denier.’

    A witch! Buuuurn him!

    The story is timestamped 19 August 2017, 9:00 AM. Which is only fair given how often Al’s prognoses have been spectacularly wrong. Did I mention his new climate movie has bombed at the box office too?

  83. notafan

    Stop trying to play the victim.

    Since when has pointing out that something has happened been ‘playing the victim’?

    Considering that you have been trying for two whole days to make people committing here psychically responsible for what happening in Charlotteville much is revealed about your collectivism white man guilt soul.

    Waa Waa says Malmonty, “I said punch a Nazi but they aren’t allowed to punch back! ”

    Also billionaire Donald Trump has been a Russian spy since 2011, just ask Monty he knows everything, he read it on twitter, don’t you know?

  84. pete m

    dover_beach
    #2472554, posted on August 18, 2017 at 11:01 am
    I can’t recall a single achievement by Amanda Vanstone. Not one.

    She got elected.
    She scored a plumb diplomatic post.
    She got a job at the ABC despite her LP membership.

    Nothing else I can think of.

    Note by “achievement”, I’m using a very wide definition.

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    August 18th? Anybody seen anything in the MSM about it being Viet Nam Veteran’s day? I certainly haven’t.

  86. Boambee John

    SOG at 1019

    There is a reason we are reluctant to change the Constitution. Many of us are in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” camp.

    And some of us think that it might have weaknesses, but the alternatives on offer are invariably worse.

  87. notafan

    Where is your mobile phone footage for the Barcelona incident?

    I wasn’t in Barcelona FF, I am sure there is plenty of footage, doesn’t matter either way, you won’t believe anything except your own conspiracy theories anyhow.

    More tying yourself in knots to fit the false flag fun narrative for you.

  88. Sparkx

    ZKTA, 612 ALPBC Brisbane has been bombarding us with it.

  89. H B Bear

    Actual Nazis! I hate actual Nazis.

  90. Snoopy

    Vice Magazine partners with SBS in its Viceland channel. So SBS partners with both the Alt-Left Vice Magazine and the Muslim Brotherhood boosting Al Jazeera.

    Nice company SBS keeps on taxpayers dollars.

  91. Considering that you have been trying for two whole days to make people committing here psychically responsible for what happening in Charlotteville

    No, nota. All I am asking is that you lot not defend Nazis. A simple request. So many of you are working to deflect, divert and dissemble on their behalf.

    When a Nazi murders a leftist in cold blood, if you haven’t got anything bad to say about the Nazi, then maybe don’t say anything about it at all. Attacking the left at such a time only lends comfort to the Nazis.

    But you lot have a big problem with shame, don’t you? You deny that it will ever apply to you. You lot keep on pushing and pushing the boundaries of acceptable discourse on this site to the point where a Nazi commits an act of terrorism to murder a leftist, and all you lot can do is attack the left, and by implication support the Nazi.

    Maybe Steve from Brisbane is right and there is not a single one of you commenters who is morally redeemable. I hold out hope that he’s wrong, even if my words only resonate with lurkers who are still prevaricating.

  92. The Alt-Left in America is running around trying to erase America’s past and return it to Year Zero and monty here is worried about the Illinois Nazis.

  93. notafan

    Not wearing glasses? Proof enough for me Fat Fingers (Inspector Clouseau)


    maybe they were sunglasses

  94. John64

    During his time at TheirABC; whenever Mark Scott was asked “why are no conservative voices heard on the ABC?”, he would reply by stating that wasn’t true, Amanda Vanstone has a show on Radio National.

    Always gave me a laugh.

  95. Senile Old Guy

    There is a reason we are reluctant to change the Constitution. Many of us are in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” camp.

    And some of us think that it might have weaknesses, but the alternatives on offer are invariably worse.

    Good point.

  96. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1101

    then an actual Nazi proves him wrong

    That would be an “actual nazi” who was part of the Occupy movement, and an Obama supporter?

    More rakes needed!

  97. OldOzzie

    Fresh doubts over BoM records after thermometer read at wrong end

    BoM Manual for trainees collecting temperature data.

    When it is very cold use the hair dryer to warm it up a bit. Or add 5-10°C to the temperature record. This takes care of any thermometer malfunction.

    When it is very hot add 2-3°C to the temperature record to adjust for thermometer temperature inconsistency.

    If you are reading the wrong end – pull it out, wipe it off and read it properly. Then add 4 degrees C to this temperature record.

  98. calli

    C’mon guys. We have “failed to fully condemn white supremacists”.

    It’s a Talking Point.

  99. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1119

    All I am asking is that you lot not defend Nazis.

    And all that I have been asking, for some time, and without success, is that you condemn the crimes of communism.

    Be as broad minded as Pres Trump, condemn the violence on both sides.

  100. Stimpson J. Cat

    You have no evidence that it was leftists.

    Jesus Christ Monty.

  101. calli

    The can never be enough Denouncement. Ever.

    These days it’s styled “Calling Out”.

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    Maybe Steve from Brisbane is right and there is not a single one of you commenters who is morally redeemable.

    I am not a nice person Monty.
    At all.
    I do not call babies IT.

  103. H B Bear

    Fresh doubts over BoM records after thermometer read at wrong end

    LOL you can’t make this shit up. Ma and Pa Kettle and their Swedish backpacker Ingrid are the real source of global warming.

    Ever noticed how any time there is an investigation into anything – government or private – that there is always stuff wrong with it? On this basis, you can assume that all the stuff that hasn’t been investigated is probably stuffed up and yet life goes on. Sort of.

  104. thefrolickingmole

    Ok monts lets play your game.

    Everyone here who supports actual nazis please note it in the comments.

    Anyone who actually supports communism please do the same.

  105. Stimpson J. Cat

    Everyone here who supports actual nazis please note it in the comments.

    I denounce Prince Harry of the British Royal Family because he is a Nazi uniform wearing Nazi.

  106. thefrolickingmole

    The EUs seaborne “Refugee” crisis.

    Nigeria 14,120
    Guinea 9,193
    Côte d’Ivoire 8,635
    Bangladesh 8,241
    Syrian 7,350
    Gambia 5,689
    Senegal 4,834
    Mali 4,825
    Morocco 4,712
    Eritrea 4,536

    Call it what it is, economic refugees and future vote hordes.

  107. notafan

    No, nota. All I am asking is that you lot not defend Nazis. A simple request. So many of you are working to deflect, divert and dissemble on their behalf.

    What nonsense you talk Monty

    Sick of the labels you are so desperate to paste on to everyone that isn’t in lock step with you.

    Show me a single example where we have defended Nazis? I don’t even believe that these so called white supremacists are a shadow of Hitler’s lot, A pasty 20 year old in a white polo and khaki pants holding a dumb shield? Oooh scary Nazi SS stormtrooper.

    You screaming racist xenophobe homephobe islamophobe NAZI every-time there is a incident in the hope that it might implicate social conservatives doesn’t help your credibility.

    This is just dissembling on your part, at this stage we don’t know enough about what happened in Charlotteville to call it a deliberate act of terrorism, there certainly isn’t any evidence of planning or any group claiming responsiblity

    I condemn all violence, especially against the most innocent, the unborn.

    You can’t claim the moral high ground when you are thigh deep in the abortion sewer monty, not now not ever.

    Now go punch a Nazi. you look squirreler you.

  108. stackja

    thefrolickingmole
    #2472598, posted on August 18, 2017 at 11:39 am
    Ok monts lets play your game.
    Everyone here who supports actual nazis please note it in the comments.
    Anyone who actually supports communism please do the same.

    What’s the difference between them? Ask Poland.
    Who supports freedom?

  109. Boambee John

    So m0nty thinks that one death in Charlottesville (in what might have been a false flag operation) is more worthy of condemnation than 100 million under communism.

    He is truly a devotee of Stalin, “One death is a tragedy, ten million a statistic”.

  110. Slayer of Memes

    As for the Russia stuff, Mueller is working quietly and will indict when he’s good and ready. He has so much material to work with when it comes to corruption with the Trumps, it’s an embarrassment of riches.

    mmmmyes…

    Special counsel’s Russia probe loses top FBI investigator

    One of the FBI’s top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year’s presidential election, has left Mueller’s team, sources tell ABC News.

    The recent departure of the FBI veteran, Peter Strzok, is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that, by all public accounts, is charging full steam ahead. Just last week, news surfaced that Mueller’s team had executed a search warrant at the Virginia home of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort. And the week before that, ABC News confirmed that Mueller is now using a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., to collect documents and other evidence.

    What to know about Mueller’s use of a grand jury in the Russia probe

    It’s unclear why Strzok stepped away from Mueller’s team of nearly two dozen lawyers, investigators and administrative staffers. Strzok, who has spent much of his law enforcement career working counterintelligence cases and has been unanimously praised by government officials who spoke with ABC News, is now working for the FBI’s human resources division.

    He is no stranger to complex and controversial investigations.

    As chief of the FBI’s counterespionage section last year, he helped oversee the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was the secretary of state, and he took part in the bureau’s interview of her.

    Within weeks of the end of the Clinton probe, Strzok found his office facing a new challenge: investigating Russia’s alleged efforts to influence last year’s presidential election, including hacking of Democratic National Committee computers.

    A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment.

    There’s SOOOOOOOO much material to work with that one of his top, hand-picked’ investigators has dropped off the team… and gone from investigating serious counterintelligence issues (which he has done for his entire career previously) to…. vetting people’s Annual Leave requests.

    Guess that just means the rest of them will have to pick up the slack, eh mOnty?

    Perhaps he’s going on holiday to India??

    You.
    Stupid.
    Fat.
    Dickhead.

  111. calli

    I denounce Stimpson J. Cat for denouncing Prince Henry Charles Albert David.

    Harry is a ranga and couldn’t possibly be a Nazi.

  112. C.L.

    I can’t recall a single achievement by Amanda Vanstone. Not one.

    She did illegally incarcerate Cornelia Rau for a year.

  113. zyconoclast

    American Bar Association passes resolution to allow illegal immigrants to practice law
    The American Bar Association House of Delegates passed a resolution Monday recommending that illegal immigrants who wish to take the bar exam and practice law should not be dismissed because of their immigration status.
    “RESOLVED, That the American Bar Association supports the principle that bar admission should not be denied based solely on immigration status,” the resolution stated. According to the ABA’s news release, the resolution passed with modest opposition.
    And it didn’t stop there. The delegates took it a step further, urging Congress to amend federal code 8 U.S.C. § 1621(d), which addresses a state’s “authority to provide for eligibility of illegal aliens for State and local public benefits” and specifies that undocumented residents may not obtain professional licenses issued by state governments.
    The ABA called on Congress to allow undocumented residents who are pursuing legal status to be eligible for all the benefits and rights addressed in the code subchapter.
    “A state court vested with exclusive authority to regulate admission to the bar may, by rule, order, or other affirmative act, permit an undocumented alien seeking legal status to obtain a professional license to practice law in that jurisdiction.”
    As the text reads, the proposed code change wouldn’t order state courts to comply, but it would give the courts the ability to make the decision at their discretion.
    The proposal would have an uphill battle gaining traction with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate and current President Donald Trump’s crackdown on deporting those who are here illegally.
    California passed a law in 2013 allowing illegal immigrants the right to practice law. Similar decisions have been made in Florida and New York on an individual basis.

    We just have to wait for the AMA to allow illegal /fake/unqualified refugees to practice medicine.
    It’s only fair.

  114. Mike of Marion

    Vanstone – achieved bugger all but she’s a high maintenance ex MP.

  115. Lysander

    I, like most, have several news apps on my phone. I remember the days when Charlie Hebdo attacks occurred BBC news would send out an alert, your phone would buzz and light up with the alert. Even the ABC app would do this.

    I haven’t “disallowed” news alerts but they seem to have stopped doing this?

  116. Snoopy

    We just have to wait for the AMA to allow illegal /fake/unqualified refugees to practice medicine.
    It’s only fair.

    They could initially be licensed to perform sex change operations to get their hand in, so to speak.

  117. calli

    I denounce Amanda Vanstoune for crimes against Loud Prints. And office chairs.

  118. stackja

    2GB reports Sydney Harbour Bridge is falling apart!

  119. Slayer of Memes

    mOnty is part of the echo-chamber screeching in autistic fury that Trump didn’t denounce white supremacy and neo-Nazis fast enough and that this, therefore, makes him a Nazi…

    Obama never once denounced Islamic terrorism so therefore, according to the precedent set by Leftists like mOnty, Obama is an Islamic terrorist…

    Watch now, as Monty decries ‘false equivalence’ without a hint of self-awareness in 3… 2…

  120. Show me a single example where we have defended Nazis? I don’t even believe that these so called white supremacists are a shadow of Hitler’s lot, A pasty 20 year old in a white polo and khaki pants holding a dumb shield? Oooh scary Nazi SS stormtrooper.

    Ah geez. You defended the Nazis in the very same paragraph nota. I don’t think you are very bright.

  121. Slayer of Memes

    the Lincoln statue in Chicago

    You say that like it was the only one. There are over 90 of them. #fakenews

    How many Lincoln Memorials like the one defaced by Leftist vandals in Washington DC, mOnty?

    You.
    Stupid.
    Fat.
    Dickhead.

  122. zyconoclast

    Whish-Wilson holds the Green’s portfolios of Finance, Consumer Affairs, Fisheries, Whaling, Marine (Tas) and Antarctica, Trade, Defence, Veterans’ Affairs and Dhimmitude.

    Sarah Sea-Patrol has a Green minister all of her own?
    Talk about white whale privilege.

  123. Boambee John

    Brighter than you m0nty.

    Keep ignoring me, I will keep posting about your failure to condemn the crimes of communism. I don’t really expect you to respond, my intended audience is other posters.

  124. Andreas

    Maybe Steve from Brisbane is right and there is not a single one of you commenters who is morally redeemable.

    m0nty, you do know punches can kill people, right? That’s what you advocate and then you call other people morally reprehensible.

  125. Boambee John

    m0nty has finally jumped the shark.

  126. Slayer of Memes

    But Andreas, it’s perfectly acceptable to kill Nazis*

    ( * – by Nazi, Monty means anyone who doesn’t think like he and his fellow Leftists…)

  127. Slayer of Memes

    Boambee John,

    Is it a grey nurse shark?

    Just asking for a friend…

  128. H B Bear

    As the responsible whatever he calls himself, why wasn’t Whishy-Wilson on Sarah Hyphen-SeaPatrol’s whale watching tour?

  129. Oldozzie

    Ethnic angst on same-sex marriage vows

    Islamic and ethnic groups are sounding warnings about the consequences of same-sex marriage in Australia, questioning whether parents will retain the freedom to promote the traditional definition of marriage to their children.

    Co-founder of the Australian Chinese for Families Association Pansy Lai said she was concerned that schemes such as the Safe Schools program, familiarising students with transgender concepts, could become compulsory if same-sex marriage were legalised. Last year, Dr Lai organised a NSW petition amassing 17,500 signatures from members of the Australian Chinese community in favour of scrapping Safe Schools, which she said promoted “in­appropriate sexual content to ­underage children”.

    She told The Australian yesterday that large numbers of the Austral­ian Chinese community kept to a traditional view of marriage­, many for reasons un­related to relig­ious conviction, and question­ed whether there were sufficient protections for them.

    “The religious people might be more bold in speaking out … but the vast majority, regardless of religious­ faith, have the same conviction about traditional families,” she told The Australian.

    “A family has their own cultural beliefs — and we need to respect all that. From what I can see, there is actually no adequate protection for people who express a different point of view, whether in the community or in the school ground.”

    Dr Lai said Chinese grandparents and parents were concerned by the prospect of schools teaching children a view of marriage and gender that went “against their background culture”.

    “We are worried that, even now in schools, whether these programs are still being pushed by individua­l teachers or principals, parents are already finding it really hard to have the right to say, ‘Look, we feel that this is something that is a parents’ right to teach their child and not the state’s right to impose it on them’.”

    Islamic groups are equally concerned about same-sex marriage, with some Muslim marriage celebrants stridently opposed to homosexuality. The “Australian Muslim Marriage” Facebook page contains strongly worded posts saying that homosexuality is incom­patible with the faith.

    The Facebook page links to a website featuring two sheiks promoted as marriage celebrants, Sheik Bilal Dannoun and Sheik Abu Bakr Zoud, who keep to a view of marriage that “pure men are for pure women.”

    But the Australian Muslim Marriage Facebook page also promotes­ extreme positions on marriage, including a defence of polygamy and derogatory language to describe homosexuals.

    A post from July 12 features a photo of one of the first same-sex Muslim marriages in Britain, along with an accompanying story by The Independent.

    The Facebook post contains the comment: “They said ‘we are going to show the whole world you can be gay and Muslim’ … There is no such thing as being gay in Islam. It is forbidden.’’

  130. Slayer, you are trying too hard. Next time, try not to tell so many bare-faced lies.

  131. zyconoclast

    Amanda Vanstone: another childless freak woman in politics.
    Achieved nothing.
    ———————–
    A lightweight.
    As criticisms go, that’s probably a first for her.

    A lightweight?
    More lies.
    One is Entre and the other dessert.

    BTW she did achieve something. I think she is mostly responsible for Victoriastan’s Sudanese cultural enrichment.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    Still non comprehende. How do you read a thermometer at the wrong end. One end bulb, the other end the sealed top and in between a column of mercury or alcohol alongside a graduated scale.

  133. Rebel Media fires Faith Goldy for going on Daily St*rmer podcast.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz027kdYCls

    That is how you deal with associations with Nazis. Credit to Levant.

  134. Boambee John

    Slayer at 1215

    More like a wobbegong, there is a limit to m0nty’s nerve and abilities!

  135. C.L.

    Rebel Media fires Faith Goldy …

    Biden: Obama is first “CLEAN” African American

  136. BrettW

    Please let Xenophon be British by descent.

    Meanwhile how is the Labor cover up of their reps going. Seems to be working well.

  137. Slayer of Memes

    Slayer, you are trying too hard. Next time, try not to tell so many bare-faced lies.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    What did I say about Monty’s complete lack of self-awareness?

    Fuck me dead, Hollywood couldn’t have scripted it any better…

    You.
    Stupid.
    Fat.
    Dickhead.

  138. Fisky

    John Kwiggan has a very good post on the “libertarian” movement.

    What’s left of libertarianism?

    Liberaltarianism

    …..

    This post (crossposted from Crooked Timber) is mainly an excuse for the pun in the title. But I do want to defend both parts of the pun.

    First, liberaltarianism, as represented by the Niskanen Center (notable staff and associates include Radley Balko, Jacob Levy, Stephen Teles, Jerry Taylor, Will Wilkinson) represents an important shift of libertarianism to the left in the US context, and an important contribution to left-of-centre thinking. Compared to the left in general, the distinctive feature of liberaltarianism is scepticism about the effectiveness and beneficence of state action. The break with the Cato version of libertarianism, from which much of the Niskanen Center group has moved, is sharper, including acceptance of the need for income redistribution and action in climate change. We debated some of the issues raised by liberaltarianism in two posts about Jacob Levy’s “The Sovereign Myth”.

    As my comments on that piece showed, I don’t necessarily agree with the liberaltarian view on lots of issues. But then, I agree even less with DLC Democrats. A majority coalition needs to encompass a wide range of views. More importantly, after decades of retreat, we need new ideas to respond to the failure of market liberalism and that means being open to a range of perspectives.

    What I see as useful in the liberaltarian perspective is scepticism about the efficacy and beneficence of state action, and particularly detailed regulation as opposed to broadbased structural changes. Similarly, as we defend sanctuary cities and state-level action on climate change, it’s worth remembering that lots of progressives have been impatient with constraints on executive action by the federal government. Liberaltarianism provides a check on this.

    Turning to the second part of the pun, apart from liberaltarianism, there’s nothing else of significance left of US libertarianism/propertarianism, either as an important political force or as an set of ideas that deserve attention and engagement.

    In political terms, the 2016 election and, even more, its aftermath saw a complete failure on the part of propertarians. Electorally, there could scarcely have been a better chance for a propertarian candidate, yet Johnson pulled in just 3 per cent of the vote. Since the election, propertarians have either embraced Trump (notably Rand Paul) or maintained their standard position as mildly dissident members of the Republican base. Rand Paul is the most notable public example of the first kind, and Cato of the second. It’s startling to compare the vitriol directed at Obama (a lawless, warmongering enemy of constitutional government) with the respectful, if sometimes critical, treatment given to President Trump.

    (Try Googling Cato+Obama and then Cato+Trump to check that these are reasonably representative)

    More significantly, propertarians haven’t had a new idea in decades. As problems have emerged to which their ideology has no easy answer, they’ve resorted to making up their own facts. That’s most obviously true of climate change, where Cato and other propertarain thinktanks have been leading proponents of science denial (the honorable exception being Ron Bailey, who’s been pilloried by the Cato faithful for his relatively limited concessions to reality). But it’s also true of passive smoking (tobacco and coal hack Stephen Milloy got his start at Cato), inequality and lots more.

    Engaging with this group is not worth the effort if the hope is to learn anything from the exchange. But, to the extent that any of them can be moved, the liberaltarians are best placed to do it. For example, here’s a piece by Brink Lindsey of Niskanen arguing that conservatives and propertarians should attack corporate welfare rather than the welfare state.

    Considering what an outsized role libertarianism has played in US political debate, it’s encouraging to see that something can be salvaged from the smouldering wreck of orthodox propertarianism. I’ll look forward to more productive engagement with the Niskanen group and likeminded liberaltarians.

  139. herodotus

    The argument is re-emerging that many of the Spanish offenders are “Spanish nationals” not “migrants” or “refugees”.
    But they were migrants, or their parents were, at some point not that long ago.

    ABC is vox-popping in Martin Place like crazy – about terrorist white vans and whether people feel unsafe here – with the main message being that, you know, it’s just one of those things, not a major worry, no obvious cause.

  140. Top Ender

    August 18th? Anybody seen anything in the MSM about it being Viet Nam Veteran’s day?

    Zulu, am going to an event tonight – making a speech. But seems the country is a bit diverted otherwise….

  141. stackja

    Oldozzie
    #2472631, posted on August 18, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    Anyone who supports marriage knows what is at stake.

  142. herodotus

    That is how you deal with associations with Nazis. Credit to Levant.

    But you’re still here. No credit to the management for that.

  143. C.L.

    The argument is re-emerging that many of the Spanish offenders are “Spanish nationals” not “migrants” or “refugees”.
    But they were migrants, or their parents were, at some point not that long ago.

    What matters is that they were Muslims.

  144. C.L.

    Hat off to Alan Jones for calling George Brandis a “flog” today.

  145. Oldozzie

    As Posted previously SBS

    Ceremonies to honour Vietnam veterans

    Vietnam War veterans will be honoured at a remembrance ceremony in Canberra on Friday on the anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan.

    The sacrifices and courage of Australian troops who fought in Vietnam will be honoured at ceremonies marking the anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan.

    Governor-General Peter Cosgrove, who fought in the Vietnam War, and Veterans Affairs Minister Dan Tehan will attend a remembrance service in Canberra on Friday morning.

    “Today we remember nearly 60,000 Australian men and women who served in the Vietnam War between 1962 and 1975, including 521 who lost their lives and more than 3000 who were wounded,” Mr Tehan said.

    Friday is Vietnam Veterans Day and also marks the 51st anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan.

    One hundred and five Australians and three New Zealanders fought at Long Tan – one of the war’s fiercest battles.

    Seventeen Australians were killed in action and 25 were wounded, one of whom later died of his wounds.

  146. Stimpson J. Cat

    Rebel Media

    Didn’t they all go on a fully funded holiday to Israel not that long ago?
    Didn’t that racist man Lauren Southern leave not long after?
    Hmm.

  147. herodotus

    The ABC gave Counterpoint the kiss of death when it gave the show to Vanstone.

  148. Roger

    The President (not the Speaker, Rog) begins talking at 18 seconds.

    Mea culpa. Premature senior moment.

    But it’s all beside the main point re Hanson’s stunt which I note you agreed with. And few in the parliament can rightly condemn her for lowering parliamentary standards because they’ve done it in the past, albeit not quite so successfully.

  149. notafan

    Ah geez. You defended the Nazis in the very same paragraph nota. I don’t think you are very bright.

    Oh excuse me brain of Western Civilization, I thought you meant real Nazis.

    Obviously not.

    I actually know/knew a couple of Nazi obsessed poms, one of them deceased, both had/have problems with alcoholism, neither of them ever likely to pose the slightest danger to the public (especially the dead one) if these Americans are the best examples of ‘Nazis’ you can drum up I’ll continue to sleep soundly.

    Now stop running around crying the sky is falling and do your geography homework will you Monty?

    I think James Alex Fields is responsible for what he did, there may be mitigating circumstances, we don’t know but Nazi Nazi Nazi is lame lame lame.

  150. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has the ABC/SBS collective started barracking for the re-taking of Andalus by the traditional owners?

  151. OkCupid @okcupid
    We were alerted that white supremacist Chris Cantwell was on OkCupid. Within 10 minutes we banned him for life.
    4:24am · 18 Aug 2017

    Aww, poor Nazi can’t get a date.

  152. Oh excuse me brain of Western Civilization, I thought you meant real Nazis.

    There you go again, denying that a member of a Nazi organisation who marched alongside fellow Nazis in Nazi regalia holding a Nazi shield who then plowed his car into a group 0f peaceful leftist protestors to deliberately murder and maim is a Nazi.

    Let me know what your criteria of a “real Nazi” is. Clearly, even if you murder someone in the name of Nazism, that’s not good enough for you.

    You are not good at this stuff at all, nota. Stop digging.

  153. Roger

    In moments of clarity political leaders, intelligence officers and security experts acknowledge that authorities can only mitigate, not eliminate the threat of Islamic terrorism/jihadism.

    Yet they continue to insist that Muslim immigration presents no danger and immigration policy should be non-discriminatory. But surely curtailing Muslim immigration is dictated by a sensible approach to risk management for present and future generations?

    Individual Muslims may be fine people, but nobody has a right to emigrate to Australia and the government has a paramount duty to protect its citizens. If the cost of protecting present and future generations of Australians is denying the right of immigration to Muslim folk, it’s a “no brainer”.

  154. Slim Cognito

    For example, while Tasmania is richly endowed with nature’s gifts, commercial exploitation consistently has been rejected by Green ideologues.

    Not to mention that the vast majority of Tas political greenies are north island blow ins. Bob Brown, McKim, Whish-Wilson, O’Connor, Peg Putt. Many of the voters who put them in power are also blow in’s seeking a tree change retirement with no interest in creating employment for locals.

  155. struth

    What does N A Z I stand for Monty?

  156. jupes

    From CL’s link above: The usual suspects double down on the stupid.

    [Duncan Lewis] says ASIO’s ties with Muslim communities in Australia are “absolutely critical” to the fight against terrorism.

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, described Ms Hanson’s incendiary donning of the burqa as “a stunt”, saying Muslims were “our best allies” in countering extremism.

    No they aren’t you traitorous fools. Muslims ARE the fucking terrorists.

    More vacuous tosh from Turnbull:

    He noted most victims of Islamist terrorism were Muslims and said an “overwhelming majority” rejected terrorism as much anyone else.

    To his first point: So fucking what? Is that meant to be some comfort as Australians get blown up, run over, shot or have their throat slit by Muslim savages?

    To the second point: The overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia benefit from terrorism. Australian authorities bend over backwards to appease Muslims at every opportunity. I doubt very much that an overwhelming majority of them reject terrorism and certainly a lot less of them reject terrorism than “anyone else”.

    The Prime Minister said Senator Brandis “spoke with eloquence and with wisdom” in his speech, which received a standing ovation from Labor and the Greens.

    LOL what a dickhead.

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    Rebel Media in big big trouble Monty.
    Look closer.

    😁

  158. H B Bear

    Are real Nazis actual Nazis? Asking for a friend.

  159. herodotus

    Has Monty apologised for Barcelona yet?

  160. old bloke

    jupes
    #2472671, posted on August 18, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    [Duncan Lewis] says ASIO’s ties with Muslim communities in Australia are “absolutely critical” to the fight against terrorism.

    Great, that’s wonderful. We should import many more, lots and lots more, the more we have the better we’ll be in the “fight against terrorism”.

  161. Baldrick

    Aww, poor Nazi can’t get a date.

    I’m sure there’s other members of the socialist workers party that are quaking in their boots right now at the thought of being banned from OkStupid.

  162. Slayer of Memes

    What does N A Z I stand for Monty?

    Not
    Another
    Zimbabwean
    Immigrant

    …?

  163. notafan

    Let me know what your criteria of a “real Nazi” is. Clearly, even if you murder someone in the name of Nazism, that’s not good enough for you.

    Clearly making stuff up as you go along is good enough for you, I must have missed the stormtrooper gear.

    When did James Alex Fields publicly state that he drove into that crowd of mostly white people in the name of white supremacy/Nazism?

    Journalist Ethicsmeister von Sturmbannführer Malmontyy says he did, that should be enough proof right?

    You know you are out and out lying now Mr Eugenics? ‘Peaceful leftists’ with baseball bats.

  164. Slayer of Memes

    He noted most victims of Islamist terrorism were Muslims and said an “overwhelming majority” rejected terrorism as much anyone else.

    Most victims of communism were other communists, so therefore we should all accept communism, right Malcolm??

    What a fucking pillock this man is…

  165. OldOzzie

    Gladys Berejiklian ‘moves on’ Martin Place protesters, but pays former premiers

    In a neat parallel, about the same time as the tent city was packing up the Berejiklian government quietly published the latest figures outlining taxpayer support for former premiers.

    They reveal that during 2016-17 Nick Greiner claimed $318,000 in communications, office space and staff costs. The figure for former premier Bob Carr was $307,000.

    To his credit, one of Berejiklian’s predecessors as premier, Barry O’Farrell, tried to end what is increasingly widely regarded as an outrageous rort. But when pushed for the entitlements to be abolished, he was threatened with legal action. Sound familiar?

    In this instance, the government backed off and instead of abolishing entitlements altogether, simply cut them back and restricted them for future recipients.

    So each year hundreds of thousands of dollars is spent to keep two independently wealthy former politicians in the fashion to which they have grown accustomed.

    It almost goes without saying, but no one should hold their breath waiting for the Berejiklian government to legislate to sweep them out of their taxpayer-funded city offices.

  166. herodotus

    Hasn’t the MSM proclaimed that the motivation of the Charlotteville driver was unclear? That’s what they usually do.

  167. Baldrick

    News you won’t hear from m0nty or the ABC:
    Democrat Senator calls for Trump’s assassination-

    “I hope Trump is assassinated!” Missouri state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, D-University City, wrote during a morning Facebook exchange, referring to Republican President Donald Trump.
    In an interview, Chappelle-Nadal acknowledged she wrote the offending line on her personal Facebook page in response to another commenter before deleting it.

    Leftards are evil.
    Pure.Fucking.Evil

  168. notafan

    But enough with the distraction squirrels

    Spanish police taking no prisoners

    Police have said the five suspects killed in Cambrils were carrying explosive belts and had run over civilians with a car, Associated Press is now reporting.


    latest on Barcelona at the Guardian, straigtht from aap it appears

  169. When did James Alex Fields publicly state that he drove into that crowd of mostly white people in the name of white supremacy/Nazism?

    I come on here after a terrorist attack and every time you lot rush to conclude it was fifth column Muslim refugees. Doesn’t feel so great on the other end of that, does it?

    I would have thought the circumstances of the event would tend to suggest Fields was a Nazi who was acting with malice aforethought. He gunned his sports car from a block away and rammed into the crowd. You can’t get much more blatant than that.

    nota, you are trying valiantly to run interference for a Nazi. Think about that for a second. Have a good hard look at yourself in the hall of mirrors.

  170. OldOzzie

    Navy to relieve USS Fitzgerald leadership for mistakes that led to deadly collision

    The U.S. Navy will relieve the USS Fitzgerald’s commanding officer, executive officer and senior enlisted sailor for mistakes that lead to a deadly crash with a merchant ship on June 17.

    Seven U.S. sailors lost their lives when the Navy destroyer collided with a Philippine flagged container ship in the middle of the night off the coast of Japan.

    The Navy announced Thursday that the commander of the Navy’s 7th Fleet intended to relieve Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Cmdr. Sean Babbitt, and Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin for loss of trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions.

    They are among a dozen of the ship’s crew who will face administrative action for their role in the collision. The investigation into what caused the crash continues, but it has so far determined that there was “plenty of evidence to determine that serious mistakes were made” by members of the crew, said Admiral William Moran, vice chief of staff of the Navy.

    Because the investigation is ongoing, he could not say if the Fitzgerald was “solely responsible” for the collision with the ACX Crystal.

    The Navy also released a report detailing the harrowing moments immediately following the ship’s collision.

    It took 90 seconds for one of the Fitzgerald’s sleeping quarters to completely flood, leaving the 35 sailors sleeping there little time to try to escape.

    As the water quickly rose, two sailors who had been helping others up a ladder eventually had to climb out of the compartment, according to the report. They reached their hands back down through the hatch where they were able to pull out two more sailors.

    Twenty-eight survived, while seven others drowned.

    The captain’s quarters also took a direct hit, fully destroying the room and trapping the captain in debris. The ship’s crew had to use sledgehammers, a kettle bell and their own bodies to force their way into his quarters, according to the report.

    “A junior officer and two chief petty officers removed debris from in front of the door and crawled into the cabin,” the Navy’s report read. “The skin of the ship and outer bulkhead were gone and the night sky could be seen through the hanging wires and ripped steel. The rescue team tied themselves together with a belt in order to create a makeshift harness as they retrieved the [commanding officer], who was hanging from the side of the ship.”

  171. notafan

    Doesn’t feel so great on the other end of that, does it?

    Good grief you are a shallow little fellow,

    ‘We’ aren’t on the receiving end of anything.

    Because conservatives and libertarians are not Nazis, not commies, not jihadis
    And once again you are claiming to be the all knowing googlemeister

    I’m just waiting to see , as I am fond of facts and evidence

    It’s easier to pick the muslim attacks, for reasons that are generally quite obvious.

    If only nazis has a war cry like allah akbar so Monty could be really really be sure it was them


    oh wait

  172. calli

    Has there been a decision on who was Literally Hitler at Charlottesville yet?

  173. stackja

    Fat Fingers (The Movie).
    #2472697, posted on August 18, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Kamikazes left loose ends and people to track down?

  174. Slayer of Memes

    Has there been a decision on who was Literally Hitler at Charlottesville yet?

    Monty tells us that the consensus of 97% of Antifa members is that it was Donald Trump…

  175. Slayer of Memes

    *note, the other 3% are currently being ‘re-educated’ at a secure facility somewhere…

  176. Because conservatives and libertarians are not Nazis, not commies, not jihadis

    I never claimed you were. But you and many others here are spending large amounts of energy defending Nazis. It is most curious.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Has there been a decision on who was Literally Hitler at Charlottesville yet?

    Everyone who was any closer to him than six degrees of separation is a Nazi, but we haven’t identified the top dog just yet.
    The most worrying thing is that he inspired the erstwhile law-abiding weird-beard van driver in Spain.

  178. notafan

    He drove along the footpath ‘going back and forward’ hitting people as it went

    Eyewitnesses said the van was travelling at speeds of up to 80km/h when it mounted the footpath, and then zigzagged down the Las Ramblas promenade for up to 500m before it came to rest with a badly injured person crumpled near the front wheels


    Details of the attack at Las Ramblas

  179. calli

    Just twigged. We have one of these loose on the thread.

    Don’t worry. It’s firing blank acorns.

  180. H B Bear

    mUnty is just waiting for Uncle George’s daily email.

  181. notafan

    No we don’t spend energy defending Nazis

    It still isn’t clear that the incident wasn’t a reaction to a belt with a baseball ball, only you are crystal clear about motive and the sequence of events.

    But what about Spain Monty any sliver of doubt about those attacks today?

  182. Bird, yes, you are a zombie. Sinc will be along presently to shake a cross at you.

  183. Rabz

    Look, I don’t have a lot of time to read a lot of the crap posted here*, but why is the Malmo Kid currently so energised about nayzees?

    Is he off his meds?

    *Sorry, Birdie, Testes, Googers, et al.

  184. But what about Spain Monty any sliver of doubt about those attacks today?

    No.

  185. Rabz

    Hasn’t the MSM proclaimed that the motivation of the Charlotteville driver was unclear?

    “Mentally ill, self radicalised lone wolf, nothing to do with the NSDAP.”

  186. Rabz

    Bluddee hell, thanks calli – I should have known.

    He’s let some distraction squirrels loose.

  187. notafan

    So nothing happens without ‘security footage’.

    Eye witness accounts, dozens of different citizen phone footage, every major news outlet with reporters on the ground, the Catalan government, the Spanish government, the Barcelona police, every government with alleged dead and injured citizens thousand and thousands of people all colluding in the last fakenews event

    Have you ever been to La Ramblas? Even in the off season there are thousands of people about in the heart of Barcelona.

    Perhaps Barcelona is just a fake city too.

  188. calli

    Have you ever been to La Ramblas? Even in the off season there are thousands of people about in the heart of Barcelona.

    Mercifully it wasn’t a Sunday.

  189. notafan

    I wonder if El Pais will have a headline tomorrow about backlash with interviews with frightened hijabis while the Spanish police mobilize to defend muslim areas from potential hate-crimes .

    Governed by centre right people’s party and a kinda skinny version of Gareth Evans I have a feeling no crap will be taken.

  190. calli

    And people who give eyewitness accounts aren’t actual people. You can tell by the folds around the neck.

  191. notafan

    But there is mobile phone footage silly

  192. Rabz

    You can tell by the folds around the neck.

    Nor do their jowls wobble in a realistic manner.

  193. areff

    Just got a call from a pal who called Brandis office, said he was a recent convert to Islam and wanted to thank the Senator for his forthright bravery in defending the “sacred religious garment”.

    His girl was chupped, cooing that Brandis would always stand up for the oppressed religious underdog. That’s when my mate said, “Could I get some advice from the senator?”

    As a new Muslim he would be putting his wife in a burqa, but wondered about his eight year old daughter.

    Should she go into a pink burqa with a bunny on it because of her age, or would the senator recommend going straight to the black sack.

    Apparently the reaction was quite interesting.

    Brandis’ number for those seeking his advice on matters of sacred religious dress:

    (02) 6277 7300

    [I think George Brandis is a civilisational surrender monkey and would welcome the opportunity to tell him so. Sinc]

  194. Sparkx

    Thanks Calli. Someone around here is nuts and it aint me.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    NTDWI.
    Barcelona is to change it’s name to Bartha-loner.

  196. Senile Old Guy

    Even in his condemnation of Ms Hanson, he stressed that every single head of intelligence and Australian Federal Police commissioner has stressed how vital Australian Muslims are to Australia’s national security. Time and time again, Muslims are viewed purely though a prism of security, where we are policed, our belonging questioned and our loyalties demanded.

    And why is that? And why is the current national security level: PROBABLE.

    The risk is that when the Senate resumes, the underlying racism that is fuelling this fire will still be burning. It is a fire that threatens to disintegrate the bonds that bind us as Australians.

    Islam is a religion, not a race. By pushing the “racism” theme is a good deflection tactic.

    Ironically, Ms Hanson demonstrated that the very security reforms she is erroneously pushing are effective and adaptable. Ms Hanson was processed through the security checkpoints inside Parliament House and had her identification confirmed before entering Parliament.

    But how does anyone watching parliament know it is Hanson. How do I know if the next burka clad individual is even female?

    In a strange and glorious twist of fate, Hanson demonstrated that a woman’s choice of dress does not impede their ability to participate in our Parliament and contribute to the process of democratic decision-making.

    But, if Hanson was a Muslim, would she be allowed by her family to participate?

  197. thefrolickingmole

    Monty nearly everyone here thinks the car killer was probably a Nazi nutjob.
    Most are also hedging the bets slightly for a couple of reasons

    1: Car was in an area surrounded by baseball bats of peace.
    2: As you surted earlier “Accelerated for a whole block” into a crowd and only one person killed seems (and this will sound bad) pretty low for a deliberate attack.
    3: In most cases we see a declaration by an organisation celebrating “their” blokes attack.

    Those small things, and the lack of a statement from the accused make it 90% likely it was what you are crowing about on your dungheap, a deliberate murder of a counter protester by a Nazi.

    And pretty well everyone here is against collectovism, whichever cheek of the nazi/Commie arsehole it comes from.

    Whereas you are fine with left arse cheek murders and year zero tactics.

  198. Indolent

    As you surted earlier “Accelerated for a whole block” into a crowd and only one person killed seems (and this will sound bad) pretty low for a deliberate attack.

    And he braked. You could see the brake lights come on when he was surrounded by the crowd.

    Have a look at this footage, which is particularly appropriate for Cats –

    https://youtu.be/f-tL6LXHaO4

    One interesting point raised is if there was some switcheroo (and its suggested that there might be have 2 goes and 2 cars) then the helicopter which crashed, killing 2 troopers, would have been the only one in a position to really see what was going on.

    Don’t let’s forget the Craigslist add a week earlier for paid demonstrators and actors.

  199. mole, of course the Vanguard America people are not going to take responsibility. Their leaders would all be in jail before you can say “Timothy McVeigh”. It’s a bit different when the VA people are all American citizens who live in polite society, as opposed to Bin Laden hiding somewhere in Central Asia.

    Don’t be obtuse.

  200. Slayer of Memes

    Scenario 1: Antifa-declared white supremacist drives car along street, colliding with back of stationary car, and kills one person
    Leftist response: “All right-wing people are Nazis!!”

    Scenario 2: Self-declared Islamist drives car for hundreds of meters along crowded footpath, allegedly weaving back and forth to hit as many as possible
    Leftist response: “We may never know the attacker’s true motives but it has ABSOLUETLY NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM! We must protect against Islamophobic backlash!”

    Leftist cognitive dissonance writ large….

  201. C.L.

    The Democrats have close, substantial ideological and financial links to Planned Parenthood and Marie Stopes International – two organisations with historical links to, and shared enduring missions with, Nazism.

  202. Has there been a decision on who was Literally Hitler at Charlottesville yet?

    Donald Trump, of course.

  203. JC

    I never claimed you were. But you and many others here are spending large amounts of energy defending Nazis. It is most curious.

    I will and will do so happily. I defend anyone’s right to the expression of free speech as per the 1st amendment – no matter how reprehensible. The ACLU also agrees with me.

  204. C.L.

    Monty, should Joe Biden have resigned when he described Obama as the first clean Negro in American history?

  205. notafan

    Don’t let’s forget the Craigslist add a week earlier for paid demonstrators and actors.

    The ad was for Charlotte in NC not Charlottesville in Virginia.

    I assume that the dead woman and injured are all acting too?

    The protest by the right regarding the removal of the statue was real, the ‘peaceful leftists’ were just as real, as were their bats and spray cans.

    why do people have to go with the fake real fake stuff

    If neo nazis are real why can’t antifa be real too?

  206. Leo G

    There you go again, denying that a member of a Nazi organisation who marched alongside fellow Nazis in Nazi regalia holding a Nazi shield who then plowed his car into a group 0f peaceful leftist protestors to deliberately murder and maim is a Nazi.

    “Nazi” is a deprecatory nickname used for members of Hitler’s Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), mostly by non-socialist adversaries of the NDAP.
    The term is used epithetically in the quote above (ie figuratively), and so is non-literal.

  207. notafan

    FF have a look on google there is plenty of footage

    Can one assume that all new prior to the invention of the mobile phone camera and cctv is, according to you, fake

    No need to answer

    and why does it matter, even when you see footage you think it is faked anyhow

  208. Myrddin Seren

    She told The Australian yesterday that large numbers of the Austral­ian Chinese community kept to a traditional view of marriage­, many for reasons un­related to relig­ious conviction, and question­ed whether there were sufficient protections for them.

    “The religious people might be more bold in speaking out … but the vast majority, regardless of religious­ faith, have the same conviction about traditional families,” she told The Australian.

    “A family has their own cultural beliefs — and we need to respect all that. From what I can see, there is actually no adequate protection for people who express a different point of view, whether in the community or in the school ground.”

    Dr Lai said Chinese grandparents and parents were concerned by the prospect of schools teaching children a view of marriage and gender that went “against their background culture”.

    Heh heh.

    I have been confident for a while that the bourgeoise prog Left cultural assault on traditional families sallying forth in their sandals, keffiyehs and rainbow batik tops from the inner cities and universities would eventually meet a wall of resistance from the ever-growing numbers of Asian and Indian traditionalists moving here.

    The Roz Ward Brigade may be able to shout down or 18C the average Aussie, but let’s see them pull that stunt on the growing Chinese, Korean, Hindu and Sikh communities.

    Take heart Fisky, if the immigration-rate-on-steroids has an upside, this is it.

  209. Mother Lode

    I can’t recall a single achievement by Amanda Vanstone. Not one.

    Just because something isn’t well publicised doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    She once woofed down a pig on a spit, a side of ox, a dozen roasted capons, and a 4 ottomans covered with icing to make them look like cakes, all washed down with 2 casks of rhenish, in a single sitting.

    There was a photo of her leaning back in her chair with all the chicken bones and pig vertebra in the floor behind her where she had triumphantly flung them over her shoulder, whiping one greasy hand down the front of her dress and with the other wiping her mouth with a passing child.

    They decided she did not want it in the media because it would just be like other people to judge her for her weight.

  210. Diogenes

    We have no way of knowing if the speakers at the Charlottesville “Unite the Right” rally last weekend were “Nazis,” “white supremacists” or passionate Civil War buffs, inasmuch as they weren’t allowed to speak. The Democratic governor shut the event down, despite a court order to let it proceed.

    We have only visuals presented to us by the activist media, showing some participants with Nazi paraphernalia. But for all we know, the Nazi photos are as unrepresentative of the rally as that photo of the drowned Syrian child is of Europe’s migrant crisis. Was it 1 percent Nazi or 99 percent Nazi?

    As the “Unite the Right” crowd was dispersing, they were forced by the police into the path of the peace-loving, rock-throwing, fire-spraying antifa. A far-left reporter for The New York Times, Sheryl Gay Stolberg, tweeted live from the event: “The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding ‘antifa’ beating white nationalists being led out of the park.”

    Anne Coulter When Liberals Club People, It’s With Love In Their Hearts

  211. DrBeauGan

    You really are wasting your time arguing with m0nty.

    Terry Pratchett once remarked that language was invented for the purpose of hurling abuse at your neighbours in the next tree. Some of us have found other things it can be used for, logic and reasoning in particular. But m0nty in particular and lefties in general have stuck with the true and tested usage. It may occasionally look like an argument, but that’s copying the form not the substance. M0nty simply hasn’t mastered the ideas of logic, thought, evidence. He is proud that he has gone beyond throwing shit.

    There is nothing to be gained by living in the tree next to m0nty.

  212. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    You really are wasting your time arguing with m0nty.

    It’s like arguing with a monkey…oh wait

  213. Myrddin Seren

    Dr Lai said Chinese grandparents and parents were concerned by the prospect of schools teaching children a view of marriage and gender that went “against their background culture”.

    Oh – and a post script.

    I am pretty darned sure that Reachtel or Essential or Ponds Institute phone surveys that assure us that there is overwhelming community support for the Roz Ward Brigade, these people are NOT responding.

  214. Monty, should Joe Biden have resigned when he described Obama as the first clean Negro in American history?

    Given that Obama chose him as VP and went through two successful terms with him, I think that decision was up to Obama. Clearly he had no problem with it – though there might have been a fireside chat where Obama told the old bloke to can that sort of language in future, and rightly so.

  215. JC

    Monster

    Do you agree with Biden? Do you prefer your Negro’s light skinned? Biden does.

  216. Myrddin Seren

    DrB

    You really are wasting your time arguing with m0nty.

    If you mean are people going to change m0nty’s politics – sure, you are probably correct.

    In terms of polishing commenting skills, m0nty seems to be a useful foil that gives some folks here great rhetorical pleasure. Kind of like a sparing partner or an AI game opponent.

    Now if you are talking about wasting time, folk battling on to try and break through the Avian Oracle’s Shield of Psychosis are really on a mission of no return ;-/

  217. Slayer of Memes

    There is nothing to be gained by living in the tree next to m0nty.

    is this some kind of subtle reference to him living in India and learning about the human condition while at the same time attending Seymour High School?

  218. “Nazi” is a deprecatory nickname used for members of Hitler’s Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), mostly by non-socialist adversaries of the NDAP.
    The term is used epithetically in the quote above (ie figuratively), and so is non-literal.

    Wow, Leo G. God forbid that I use the word Nazi as an epithet. I suppose all those Nazi chants from the videos were #fakenews? Don’t come the raw prawn.

    Is there no one on this site who can denounce Nazis without then backsliding into defending them?

  219. Mother Lode

    Islam is a religion, not a race. By pushing the “racism” theme is a good deflection tactic.

    Exactly. It is a series of beliefs that can be examined, considered, modified, or refuted. The govern behaviour and interactions in society. Racial characteristics are built into appearance and don’t come out.

    This has been pointed out repeatedly, and the left has already started polishing a turd arguing (typically) that people have no choice over their beliefs (because humans have no agency and are merely the intersecting point of other forces – except Republicans who deserve no respect, quarter, or even life).

    But why don’t the talking heads with a right lean take this up with the pollies they interview?

  220. 2dogs

    a member of a Nazi organisation who marched alongside fellow Nazis in Nazi regalia holding a Nazi shield

    Monty, has it been confirmed that it was in fact James Alex Fields in that photograph, or is the identification just based on similar appearance at this stage?

  221. test pattern

    ‘Should she go into a pink burqa with a bunny on it’

    They’re under starters orders and they’re off! Oh dear White Gash of Asia is stuck in the stalls … she’s given up … she’s sitting down now … she appears to be blinded by her own blinkers … she’s pulled a black saddle cloth over her head … and it’s Brandis’ Bigot, Brandis’ Bigot is pulling ahead, he’s going to win! Oh no, disaster! He’s pulled so far ahead of Public Opinion he’s pulled his knob right off and he’ll have to be put down behind the screen and Public Opinion is going to win, Katallaxy Klansman has run out of puff and has nothing more to contribute …

  222. JC, old blokes like you can tend to say some racist things even when they have the best of intentions. You grew up in a different era where standards of acceptable behaviour were more lax.

    I am sure Obama gave him a stern talking-to about where he went wrong with those remarks. He learned his lesson.

  223. notafan

    Thank you Diogenes

    Waiting for facts is now the “Nazi” position.

    Aw shucks

    We can’t play any more?

    it was fun thinking up new names for Monty

    Still hoping that one day he will have a change of heart

  224. 2dogs, you should know better than that. Use your eyes.

  225. Slayer of Memes

    More of Monty’s mates….

    Man Stabbed By Antifa Mob Outside His Home For Not Condemning ‘Nazis’ Hard Enough

    A Vermont man says he was stabbed outside his home by a group of five masked men armed with box cutters on Tuesday, after being labeled a “Nazi sympathizer” for denouncing attempts to ruin the life of a Unite the Right rally attendeeeven though he himself strongly disavows white supremacy.

    The victim, Sam Wormer, who identifies as neither right or left, is so concerned about the divide in the country that even after being attacked he wasn’t sure that his story should be told. Leftist friends of his confirmed to Big League Politics that he frequently sticks up for “marginalized members of the community.”

    Ryan Roy, 28, appeared in the Vice News episode on the events over the weekend in Charlottesville. He was promptly doxed on Twitter and a social media campaign made sure that he was fired from his job at Pizzeria Uno. Additionally, the internet mob called child protective services in an effort to have his young baby removed from his care.

    In an interview with Burlington Free Press, Wormer, his former friend and classmate, stated that he was “completely shocked” to see footage of Roy at the rally. The following comments are what he and his friends say would become the alleged “justification” for being stabbed by five masked assailants and labeled a “Nazi sympathizer.”

    “He would attend anti-war rallies. He was very left — like anti-Republican, very progressive, very liberal, very anti-Christian,” Wormer recalled of Roy.

    The paper reported that Wormer also remembered Roy being part of the “fringe crowd” and as someone who would always stick up for people who were being bullied. Another man who knew Roy confirmed this to Big League Politics — and added that he is also an “ex goth.”

    “Wormer said Roy and his family welcomed him into their home for Thanksgiving dinner in 2006, when the two were close friends. They lost touch about two years ago, Wormer said, except for a brief interaction last September when Roy shared that he would soon become a father,” the Free Press reported.

    The paper added that “Wormer strongly disagreed with Roy’s views but did not support efforts to get Roy fired or to call the Vermont Department for Children and Families in an attempt to remove his child. Wormer said such efforts would lead to more anger.”

    “Taking away somebody’s job and livelihood — I mean, that’s just adding fuel to the fire,” Wormer said. “I don’t think any good is going to come of this on anybody’s side.”

    This attempt at showing the humanity in someone without agreeing with their ideas in any way would lead to Wormer’s stabbing.

    In another comment about Roy’s attendance in Charlottesville, Wormer had stated: “Seeing him reduced to marching with these assclowns chanting their idiotic rhetoric breaks my heart.”

    The backlash was swift. Wormer said that by Monday evening he was already receiving threats for his comments. He added that despite the intimidation attempts, he believes in “critical thinking and proper discourse, not a witch hunt.”

    The following day, Wormer wrote a status update saying, “Wow i really cant believe what a neo nazi i am rn. Thanks. All my efforts in life have been sufficiently ruined. Thanks guys at least the moral high ground favors you. I love it.”

    Two hours later he would post a photo of his open wound.

    “All I did was say the truth as far as I knew it and an attempt upon my life was made.  That’s screwed up,” Wormer told Big League Politics.

    On Tuesday evening, Wormer says that he arrived at his home to find the masked assailants waiting for him. He explained that the men called him a “Nazi” and a “fascist” during the attack — despite his comments explicitly denouncing Roy’s views. He added that “if that blade went any deeper I’d be a cold corpse in the ground.”

    “Dont know who it was, they were masked waiting outside my house,” Wormer wrote on Facebook. He also urged his friends to “find them [please].”

    Instead of concern, some of his friends immediately questioned his defense of Roy as a person.

    “Dude dont get involve with tha racist shit…wat wrong with u dawg???” a friend asked on the post, rather than immediately checking if he was okay.

    Wormer did not go to the hospital for his injuries, telling Big League Politics that he could not afford to pay for medical bills. Instead, he said that the wounds are “home stitched up.” When asked about starting a crowdsource campaign to help with the costs, he stated that “people don’t have the kind of money to throw towards such a silly cause.  I’d rather they put their children through school.”

    “I don’t need a doctor to treat me, I need my country to wake the fuck up, if you know what I mean,” Wormer said.

    Wormer added that he did not call the police. He is on probation and was afraid it would make matters worse.

    Earlier in the day, President Donald Trump was mocked, condemned, and villianized by the mainstream media for daring to note that the alt-left also engages in political violence. CNN and other outlets appeared to paint Antifa as brave individuals who are daring to stand up to mean words — only strongly condemning violence from the right. In a just society, this story alone would have them issuing apologies.

    As of early Wednesday morning, Wormer’s attackers remained at large. He told Big League that he was too focused on his wound to attempt to figure out their identities, but believed they were driving a dark colored sedan.

    “What happened to me does not need to be written about.  It would simply add fuel to the fire and only serve to drive people further and further apart.  We all, as Americans, regardless of creed or culture, need to come together and combat the real enemy here, and that is the twisted puppet government that seeks to drive a wedge in between us as a people,” Wormer told Big League. “Together we are strong, but divided we will fall, and with us the world we love will come to ruin.”
     
    UPDATE: This report was published within hours of the incident, when Wormer had not yet contacted police. He has since stated that he filed a police report on Wednesday.

    Remember Cats and Kittehs, mOnty wants you all to denounce ‘Nazis’ just like Sam Wormer did…

    …you just better do it faster, and louder, than he did though….

  226. test pattern

    Trump Lawyer Forwards Email Echoing Secessionist Rhetoric

    ‘Lee is no different than Washington
    Both rebelled against the ruling Government
    Both mens’ battle tactics are still taught at West Point
    Both saved America
    Both were great men great Americans and great commanders
    Neither man is any different than Napoleon, Shaka Zulu, Alexander the Great, Ramses II etc’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-lawyer-email-race-charlottesville.html?smid=tw-share

  227. .

    I am sure Obama gave him a stern talking-to about where he went wrong with those remarks. He learned his lesson.

    I am sure X happened, therefore so did Y.

    Okay monty.

  228. 2dogs

    I have. James Alex Fields’ face seems quite nondescript to me, that is, a lot of guys have his face. And looking at them, the nose seems a little different in the two photos.

  229. test pattern

    Excellent digest by the History News Network

    Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville: What Historians Are Saying on Social Media

    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/166663

    https://storify.com/myHNN/charlottesville-hnn-s-full-coverage

  230. You’re going a bit Bird, 2dogs. Don’t go Bird.

  231. Louis Hissink

    Mises was right, the mutual hatred between the various sects comprising the political left completely eclipses their combined hatred of the capitalists.

  232. 2dogs

    You could have just answered my question with a “no”, Monty. I was only asking.

  233. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    The social engineer is the reformer who is prepared to liquidate all those who do not fit into his plan for the arrangement of human affairs.

    — Ludwig von Mises

  234. Indolent

    Charlottesville police officer speaks out. In the planning since May Police told to bring the 2 sides together and then stand down.

  235. .

    If you want to exclude leases to people in such circumstances change the law so that it does, do not try and include them in marriage by redefining it.

    This is why I say refer to equity. No need to change the law, just act with equitable principles in mind.

    Not quite, to nullify means that the relationship concerned, as it is understood, did not exist. Think of what it means for legislation that is judged ultra vires.

    Now though….

    This isn’t answering my question.

    I don’t know what you’re asking. I made a joke about trees, dogs and corporations. I referred to a transsexual marriage case, and some famous British ones obliquely. What other “natural persons” could ever be married?

    It is in all likelihood a crap decision

    You will get my applause the more you say this. Indicia can never be outside of the ratio of the case in the first instance.

    And, as you say, it’s not as if the Saxons would not have had their own laws which they would have adapted to those already existing in England. The historic timeline also suggests how tendentious are those currently teaching the law in this area, as if no formalities of marriage existed prior to the Council of Trent. Are they effing kidding?

    I’m more interested in the Celtic law before incorporation into Christian Kingdoms or conversion. I’m referring to Brehonic law rather than the druidic stuff. Celts were around well into the formation of the English state (Wales, Strathclyde) as well as the various English and Scottish incursions into Ireland.

    Brehon law apparently recognised 10 kinds of marriage. Making such a distinction in a precedent based system is a formalisation. The property law regarding marriage was extremely sophisticated.

  236. Driftforge

    Charlottesville police officer speaks out. In the planning since May Police told to bring the 2 sides together and then stand down.

    Not something you will see on the Alt-left Broadcasting Corporation….

  237. Lysander

    Ryan Roy, 28, appeared in the Vice News episode on the events over the weekend in Charlottesville. He was promptly doxed on Twitter and a social media campaign made sure that he was fired from his job at Pizzeria Uno.

    Oh for fuck’s sake, you mentioned pizza…

    Fuck me here comes SRR…

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