Here is a question

According to the counter on platform that underpins Catallaxy, this is Spartacus’ 444th post.  Given the possible bad luck connoted by this number in Chinese, Sparty hopes to be around for 445 and beyond.

But my question is this.  Why is it that, in this social justice and equality for all climate, there is a wall of separation between male and female athletes?  And where are the advocates for eliminating the male-female bifurcations in professional sports, including separate locker rooms?

Rather than having debates about why professional women tennis or cricket players earn less that professional men tennis or cricket players, why has not the social justice police advocated for a single gender neutral professional tennis tour or a single gender neutral cricket competition where men and women compete together?  Ditto for swimming, athletics and any other competition where there are separate men-women splits.

How about some consistency?

And what about transgender participation is sports?  Even the International Olympic Committee has a policy on this:

Female-to-male athletes can compete ‘without restriction’, while male-to-female athletes must undergo hormone therapy, according to new guidelines.

Let’s end this artificial man-made distinction.  Let’s take the gender out of sport entirely.  Gender justice for all and social justice in sports!

In California, “the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Long-Term Care Facility Resident’s Bill of Rights” has recently passed their state senate.  Under this Bill of Rights:

misgendering a transgender nursing-home resident could result in a fine of up to $1,000 and a year in prison. It also requires nursing homes to allow residents to enter the bathrooms and showers of their chosen gender.

That’s right.  “Misgendering”, accidentally or deliberately, can see you go to jail.  And without passing go.

A job for the Human Rights Commission perhaps?

But hey.  What can go wrong.

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32 Responses to Here is a question

  1. Rococo Liberal says:

    Isn’t misgendering merely speech? Therefore this new Californian law is unconstitutional.

  2. Interested observer says:

    There have been several instances of biological males self identifying as female and competing in female sports events (in Australia, New Zealand and the United States). Yes, they did win their events and were awarded the title. It is not even necessary to commence gender transformation in order to do so. I am with Spartacus on this. As long as organisations can be sued for “mis-gendering” then the more examples of idiocy that occur, the sooner this will be recognised as a fraud and a fake. I would love to read the comments of the disappointed female competitors that “THIS IS NOT FAIR”!

  3. alexnoaholdmate says:

    Why do female tennis players get paid the same as males, yet only play 3 sets to the males’ 5?

  4. Motelier says:

    Chicks have been trying to break into the mens PGA tour for years.

    Nope, nothing yet.

    Golf is a game of skill, supposedly, strength does not come into it.

  5. Helen says:

    This is a good idea, but I’d add one thing. Introduce weight (and height) classes in all individual sports. That way similar sized men and women would compete. It would also open up some sports to both men and women who cannot compete in them now. Separate high jump classes for shorter people, separate gymnastic classes for heavier people. This would still be exciting, after all featherweight boxing can be as skilled, but in different ways, as heavyweight. In fact different size classes in other sports might bring out different combinations of skills.
    Team sports are a bit different, some benefit from a range of body types (basketball), some from uniformity (hockey).

  6. Motelier says:

    This is a good idea, but I’d add one thing. Introduce weight (and height) classes in all individual sports. That way similar sized men and women would compete.

    No need. Tennis and golf, in fact most individual sports compete on open basis.

    I am pretty sure the gender wars in any sport woukd see the testerone fuel athletes win most, if not all the time.

    This debate is getting silly. Weight classes in MMA and the male would win every time.

  7. Haidee says:

    Interesting, Helen. Separate high jump classes for shorter people?

    I don’t think men really want to play sport with women
    tennis e.g.; mixed doubles they cheerfully tolerate; but they’d rather all-men

  8. Rabz says:

    misgendering a transgender nursing-home resident could result in a fine of up to $1,000

    What if a senile transgender nursing-home resident “misgenders” one of their peers? They’ll all end up being fined into penury.

    Such are the groundbreaking issues of our time.

  9. Motelier says:

    Helen,

    Your idea of men and women competing against each other based on size and weight is dangerous in the extreme.

    Enjoy.

  10. dopey says:

    Helen
    You are guilty of weightism and heightism.

  11. Megan says:

    I don’t think men really want to play sport with women
    tennis e.g.; mixed doubles they cheerfully tolerate; but they’d rather all-men

    If tennis became completely non-gendered it would not be very long before there would be no women playing at elite level. I suspect women might gradually disappear from many other sporting competitions as well.
    Bring on the stupid!

  12. Helen says:

    Thanks Motelier, interesting comments.
    Dopey, you have it the wrong way round, if anything my comment was anti-heightism/weightism.

    Re different physical attributes men/women. It doesn’t always play out to male superiority. I have never been any good at any sport, but once I outperformed an athlete. He was a competitive sprinter, and he got really annoyed when he couldn’t keep up with me over several hours and days of hard physical slog in the bush.

    Those ‘weaker’ women in hunter gatherer societies weren’t actually weaker, they walked hours, baby on back, digging our tubers, rabbits/bandicoots, collecting seeds and fruit, carting heavy loads back to camp, grinding seeds. In non-mechanised farming societies women still do most of the work. This needed the ability for long physical persistance, rather than the sprinting skills of the hunter.

  13. Motelier says:

    Helen.

    Do you really wonder why “Open” competitions are seperated by sex?

    Of course the strawman arguement of huntergatherer societies says they can.

  14. Motelier says:

    Perhaps Helen can identify all of those many women that beat the men who in athletics.

    Here is a starting point for you.

    Ready. Set. Go

  15. Motelier says:

    Oh,

    And when you are finished can you make me a sammich?

    Thanks

    😃

  16. Rob MW says:

    This is a good idea, but I’d add one thing. Introduce weight (and height) classes in all individual sports.

    Defeats the ‘identifying’ purpose Helen. That is to say, that without the snip or the use of rubber rings, a man identifying as an ugly chick will always be 2 stone(s) heavier. Given that in a leftist type of world where it is better to take than to give, a better idea would be to have a completely nutless competition.

  17. Helen says:

    Motelier. I don’t wonder. I was facetiously agreeing with the facetious proposal in the article to make sport gender neutral, but facetiously suggesting we could replace it with another kind of division. (Don’t take everything people write too seriously).

    My bit on hunter-gatherers was a take on the comments in your link, I should have made that clearer.

    Just to finish, another strong woman story. When I was young, I lived for a couple of years in the highlands of New Guinea, at about 3000m. The altitude was hard, but I did get fit, well, fit for me. Towards the end, I was pleased with my ability to keep up with the locals, though I suspect that they were just being polite and slowing down for me. One day I was walking along chatting with an old lady, 50-60 maybe, on a flat bit, but when the track steepened up hill, she took off and left me (and the males) for dead. Oh, she was carrying a 50 pound sack of rice on her head. That was women’s work.

  18. Haidee says:

    Men often can be a little slower than women
    in picking-up on Facetious

  19. Motelier says:

    Helen,
    Rob took your words the same as I.

    Sorry if You have been misunderstood.

    The general population will see some women being able to beat most of the men.

    However, this is about elite sports/humans. It even applies to the armed services. The elite should be the elite of the human population, not a combination of elite men and elite females because that is soooooo correct.

  20. Sirocco says:

    John McEnroe was sacked from his position of commentator when he suggested that Serena Williams whom he regarded as the best female tennis player of all time, would struggle to rate in the top 700 on the men’s tour. So tennis is not an equal sport.
    Same for golf. Top male golfers regularly drive over 300 yards, females might manage 250+ yards. That’s a difference of about 5 clubs.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat says:

    Why is it that, in this social justice and equality for all climate, there is a wall of separation between male and female athletes?

    Thankfully Transgender athletes are starting to cross that matriarchal power gap.
    Say thank you wamens.

  22. RobK says:

    Gender justice for all and social justice in sports!
    You are all missing the point of course, in that you all seem to think sport should be competitive, there’s your problem. Aggressive sports will be replaced by entertaining sports such as Maypole Dancing and the like. Everybody can join in an have a wow of a time, no gender required.

  23. RobK says:

    You haven’t seen the memo? Competition will be completely replaced by cooperation and participation.

  24. Motelier says:

    Sirocco.

    Purlease. Driving distance is not the be all on the main tours.

    The ladies PGA tour – driving distance stats. “Ladies First”

    The mens PGA tour – driving distance. “Big hitters”

    Horses for courses, and a few ladies have tried but not too successfully. Look at all of the other stats to find out why.

  25. Motelier says:

    I stuffed that up.

    Links

    Ladies

    Men

    Apologies.

  26. RobK says:

    Of course, in my earlier comment I should have said:”no gender specificity required.”…..like in the Mardi Gras.

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  28. duncanm says:

    Forget sport — where are the female garbos, plumbers, builders, pest controllers, asbestos disposal experts, oil riggers, tow truck drivers, truck drivers, mechanics, .. the list goes on.

    Will we insist on sending 50% women to the Korean peninsular when Kim goes full retard on Seoul?

  29. duncanm says:

    Helen:

    Those ‘weaker’ women in hunter gatherer societies weren’t actually weaker, they walked hours, baby on back, digging our tubers, rabbits/bandicoots, collecting seeds and fruit, carting heavy loads back to camp, grinding seeds. In non-mechanised farming societies women still do most of the work. This needed the ability for long physical persistance, rather than the sprinting skills of the hunter.

    so that explains why in both the 50km walk and marathon — the men’s record is about 15% faster than women’s ?

  30. duncanm says:

    The ladies PGA tour

    yes – but some of them are hawt.

  31. damon says:

    The silliest thing about the gender gap is the existence of women’s bridge tournaments. A card game that require no physical ability at all.

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