Chile the success story of South America

Dan Mitchell examines the progress Chile has made towards joining the first world in the last 40 years. Interesting contrast with Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

I’ve had many people tell me that personal accounts are bad because they were implemented during Pinochet’s reign. But that’s a silly argument, sort of like deciding to be against free trade because the dictatorial Chinese government opened up to the global economy.
As far as I’m concerned, tyrannical leaders are awful and should be condemned, but if they happen to grant citizens a slice of economic liberty, that’s a silver lining to an otherwise dark cloud.

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46 Responses to Chile the success story of South America

  1. Rabz

    The only first world nation on the South American continent.

    Brazil and Argentina need to observe, learn some lessons and lift their game.

  2. Eyrie

    Aw, c’mon, Pinochet merely shot a few thousand communists. It’s not like they were human or anything.

  3. Eyrie

    Besides, by doing that he saved a hell of a lot more lives.

  4. Mark A

    Rabz
    #2627238, posted on February 3, 2018 at 8:04 pm
    Brazil and Argentina need to observe, learn some lessons and lift their game.

    Don’t know about Brazil but Argentina had its chance and blew it.
    One of the wealthiest countries at one time and then succumbed to socialism, never recovered.

  5. Empire

    It’s amazing what a nation can achieve when it treats its communists like vermin.

  6. JC

    Argentina finally has a president and administration that is moderately market friendly. It’s actually doing quite well in relative terms.

    Macri ought to lay off the renewballs, but otherwise there is strong reform going on.

    Growth expected to be 3.5%.

    It’s not going to set the world on fire, but at least the economy is heading in the right direction.

  7. Infidel Tiger

    Pinochet is an inspiration to us all.

  8. BorisG

    About ten years ago I remember Bibi telling his detractors that Argentina’s recovery from the economic collapse of late 1990s and early 2000s is a good example to follow.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Lincoln suspended habeus corpus to free millions. Pinochet suspended a few thousand filthy commies from helicopters to free millions.

  10. DM of WA

    Socialism has been a powerful influence on the people of Argentina for a long time so it remains to be seen whether Macri can cure it; this could be just another false dawn. On the other hand Pinochet quickly and ruthlessly removed the socialist threat in Chile. Chile has reaped the rewards of capitalism ever since. I don’t like to think how Chile would have fared under a communist Allende dictatorship. Pinochet was also a staunch ally of the UK during the Falklands war. I refuse to condemn him.

  11. Snoopy

    Pinochet suspended a few thousand filthy commies from helicopters

    Suspended with what? Air string?

  12. J.H.

    Yep. Pinochet saved Chile from Allende’s attempt to make himself President for life. He restored Chile to democratic rule and maintained economic responsibility while every other South and Central American country squandered their futures under Communist and Socialist regimes…. Castro’s Cuba is nothing more than a Castro family possession… So much for the great Socialist revolutions…. They just end up creating family Kingdoms and petty fiefdoms while enslaving entire populations to the ambitions of that ruling elite.

  13. BorisG

    this thread shows Cats true attitude to democracy. I think they won’t mind if a Pinochet style dictator emerges in Australia, suspends a few politicians, abolishes welfare state and SSM.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Yeah we wouldn’t.

    I’m currently finalising a list of a 1000 Australians who must die to bring back righteousness.

    Do you want to be on the list Boris?

  15. You’re a bit slow, IT.
    He’s already on mine.

  16. mareeS

    Argentina, the land built on silver, is a lesson for Australia.

  17. Herodotus

    Don’t cry for me, Marge and Tina …

  18. mareeS

    I had the dubious pleasure of working in Argentina for a brief time in the 1970s.

    The slippery slope took way less than 10 yrs, and the place has never bounced back in 40 yrs.

    Be careful, Ozymites.

  19. Empire GTHO Phase III

    this thread shows Cats true attitude to democracy. I think they won’t mind if a Pinochet style dictator emerges in Australia, suspends a few politicians, abolishes welfare state and SSM.

    All jokes aside Boris, the current illusion of democracy paradigm isn’t delivering a future of peace and prosperity. History says resets are necesarily messy.

    What’s your prescription for delivering us from the homo-parasitic-dystopia our corrupt elites have foisted upon us?

  20. Rohan

    Mark A
    #2627282, posted on February 3, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t know about Brazil but Argentina had its chance and blew it.

    Brazil is an economic basket case. Corruption is rife, over regulated, the bureaucrats needed to formalise paperwork are on strike more often than not. Been there done that. Good luck if you try.

  21. H B Bear

    Time to start throwing socialists out of helicopters here. First in line?

    “Mr Pyne, Mr Pyne your flight is now ready for boarding. Please proceed to the helipad.”

  22. Entropy

    …the Chilean Model…shows some spectacular new results for ordinary citizens… the Chilean Model is working, big time. Basically, you skip Social Security taxes for starters, which leaves you a lot more money to play around with. You then put 10% of your income into a government-certified private pension account (and you have many choices among them)… This is mass-scale wealth creation, and it benefits workers most of all. …Chile has no pension crisis as most of the rest of the developed world does – no worries about a “trust fund” and no Social Security “cuts” to speak of. This is why. Thirty nations have adopted the same plan… the left hates this stuff. It keeps workers out of the clutches of unions and un-dependent on government handouts. Of course leftists want it gone. They tried hard in Chile to turn workers against this pension idea.

    Interesting that the leftists want the super scheme gone, and one of the reasons is the lack of need for unions etc. meanwhile, the Australian variationnofnthat model does have unions as central to the arrangement, Australia has one of the largest amounts invested in super funds, and the left want to build it even higher. I wonder what the key difference is? Oh, look, there’s Bueller!

  23. Crossie

    I don’t like to think how Chile would have fared under a communist Allende dictatorship.

    See Venezuela.

  24. Barry 1963

    The link gives praise to Chile’s pension scheme. The scheme is similar to Australia’s compulsory superannuation scheme. Wouldn’t libertarians oppose both schemes because they are compulsory? Both require workers set aside income for old age. Shouldn’t workers be free to spend their income as they see fit?

  25. old bloke

    Australia should import Santiago’s café led economic recovery model. I’m sure our economy would improve if we also tried “coffee with legs”. Very civilised people, you can enjoy your coffee with a cigar.

  26. Back in the Pinochet days, Milton Friedman was invited to Chile to educate the local economists.
    He was vilified for doing so but his lessons seem to have had a lasting effect.

  27. marcus classis

    Hmm.

    To apply Pinochet’s successes here we are gonna need to flash both Mi-12’s.

    They could take 196 passengers 500km. Take out the seats will save weight, so we could have 200 passengers chained up and some guards.

    Quick trip offshore, give the commies flying lessons and back. Should work a treat, but it will still take days just to process the non-technical staff at the ABC HQ at Ultimo.

    We could make a fortune selling off the rights to give flying lessons to especially annoying commies, too.

  28. Arky

    The problem with throwing communists from helicopters is the ones you don’t throw from helicopters then spend the next few decades building a hagiography around the filthy swine.
    You are screwed either ways: you go too soon you’re Hitler. You wait too long you have full blown police state communism on your hands. You throw too many out of choppers you are a monster. Chuck too few you lose.
    One can’t help thinking the ultimate goal is to do the hard work over many decades of teaching young people to love life and liberty such that you never have to push them out at altitude over a large body of water.
    Make your arguments today so you don’t have to make orphans later.

  29. Simon

    Can anyone recommend a balanced book about Chile under Pinochet ?

  30. Frank

    Make your arguments today so you don’t have to make orphans later.

    Do both.

  31. DM OF WA

    BorisG
    #2627463, posted on February 4, 2018 at 1:01 am
    this thread shows Cats true attitude to democracy. I think they won’t mind if a Pinochet style dictator emerges in Australia, suspends a few politicians, abolishes welfare state and SSM.

    This response demonstrates the kind of infantile ideological puritanism I see in student politics and on the Left in general. The real world is much more messy and complicated and there are never simple solutions. The Third World was a very different place to the First World: they do things differently there. General Pinochet effectively put Chile back on the path to rejoining the First World. That is a huge achievement. On the other hand what has any socialist regime in South America, or anywhere else, achieved?

    I just wish those who constantly condemn us when we fail to achieve moral perfection would instruct us on hiw they would do it better.

    Tony Blair was a Left wing moral puritan worshipped by young campus politicians. Yet he did many terrible things in power, including the Iraq war deception. One his most dishonourable acts was the arrest and attempted to extradition of general Pinochet to Spain. To treat an ally who helped Britain win the Falklands war like that was shameful.

  32. mh

    …that’s a silver lining to an otherwise dark cloud.

    It’s not such a dark cloud. Pinochet stomped on a leftist revolution, instigated economic reform and handed democracy back to the people.

  33. Marcus:

    They could take 196 passengers 500km. Take out the seats will save weight, so we could have 200 passengers chained up and some guards.
    Quick trip offshore, give the commies flying lessons and back. Should work a treat, but it will still take days just to process the non-technical staff at the ABC HQ at Ultimo.

    I don’t know. I think the mass flying lessons lack that human touch you get by defenestration via helicopter.
    You know, the personal touch of “Good luck sunshine. Don’t forget to flap!”
    But I’m a bit of a softie.

  34. Rafe Champion

    Boris I would like to know more about your views on democracy.
    It is all very well to be in favour of democracy rather than dictatorship but democracy is not working well these days due to the excessive influence of special interests.
    The question is how to improve democracy and save it from the kind of corporate/fascist state that we can see developing through the partnership of the trade unions which own the ALP, big business and government regulators. Grace Collier is good on that.

  35. egg_

    BorisG
    #2627463, posted on February 4, 2018 at 1:01 am
    this thread shows Cats true attitude to democracy. I think they won’t mind if a Pinochet style dictator emerges in Australia, suspends a few politicians, abolishes welfare state and SSM.

    Boris prefers the Castro model?
    Isn’t brother Raúl now unravelling much of Fidel’s Commo work?

  36. Caveman

    Chile and Argentina have some decent Lithium brines for the new EV revolution at present they encouraging mining activity until they start asking for their royalty amounts , you can take the country out of the commie but can’t take the commie out of the country..

  37. marcus classis

    Winston:

    I don’t know. I think the mass flying lessons lack that human touch you get by defenestration via helicopter.
    You know, the personal touch of “Good luck sunshine. Don’t forget to flap!”
    But I’m a bit of a softie.

    Good point.

    How about this, then. Anyone who catches a commie on the list can bring ’em over and give a personalised flying lesson . So ratio of one eager instructor to one perhaps somewhat reluctant student. Hey, they caught their own commie, that’s fine. They deserve the fun.

    All the others you just buy a ticket and pick your commie from the cells.

    Sure, it reduces the raw numbers per day, but it adds a major fun component and will raise national morale no end!

    There could be all sorts of entertaining diversions, too. You could give your commie a backpack and say ‘hey, it’s a chute, if you can swim back to shore you are home and hosed!’

    Just don’t tell him it’s a napalm pack.

    And a Mi-12’s big enough that you can party all the way out and back.

    🙂

  38. Habib

    Helicopter therapy does wonders to tumours that afflict the body politic. Cleverly we imported a plague of Chilean commies as reffos.

  39. BorisG

    It is all very well to be in favour of democracy rather than dictatorship but democracy is not working well these days due to the excessive influence of special interests.

    Possibly, but until we invent something better it is the least evil of all systems of government.

    Benevolent dictatorship can do wonders in the short term (because it can implement unpopular measures bringing benefits in the long term without facing daily opinion polls and elections) but inevitably leads to disaster in the long term due to lack of proper feedback.

  40. BorisG

    Boris prefers the Castro model?

    No, not at all. But why this dichotomy?

  41. BorisG

    This response demonstrates the kind of infantile ideological puritanism I see in student politics and on the Left in general. The real world is much more messy and complicated and there are never simple solutions. The Third World was a very different place to the First World: they do things differently there.

    yes and I agree democracy is not always the right solution everywhere. But Pinochet wasn’t just a dictator, he was a brutal one.

    General Pinochet effectively put Chile back on the path to rejoining the First World.

    please spare us your crap. Chile may be better off than some of the neighbours but it is not the first world territory.

    On the other hand what has any socialist regime in South America, or anywhere else, achieved?

    I am not a proponent of socialism, which I think is a wrong path (in the long term). But there are some countries where socialism has worked, for a while, pretty well. The first one is Israel. and by and large all Scandinavian countries. And Brazil under Lulo did not do too badly.

  42. BorisG

    What’s your prescription for delivering us from the homo-parasitic-dystopia our corrupt elites have foisted upon us?

    Republic with a directly elected president (with wide powers but with some strong constraints)?

  43. Boris – none of the current crop of politicians think that strong constraints are anything more than a minor distraction from the Utopia they will bring us, comrade.
    Imagine;
    President Turnbull.
    President Shorten.
    President Bishop.
    President Gillard.
    Nervous yet?

  44. BorisG

    Nervous yet?

    Not at all. Had Abbott been elected by the people, he wouldn’t have been removed.

    Also, this allows anyone to stand in the election, not just preselected by politicians. Abbott or Hansen or Xenophon can stand and try to get our support, bypassing major parties.

    this is the way Americans elected Trump. this can never happen here under the current system.

  45. Rafe Champion

    Thanks Boris, I don’t think the republic approach makes any difference, in fact I can only see potential for disaster if some populist loon or stirrer gets the gig.
    The best path that I can see is reduced powers of government so every single thing in society is not subjected to politicization and lobbying.

  46. BorisG

    Hi Rafe, yes presidential republic increases the risk of a populist but that may be lesser evil than entrenched politicians.

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