Open Forum: March 10, 2018

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  1. Delta A

    they probably have to clean the glass ceiling the other 364 days of the year, too.

    Well said!

  2. H B Bear

    I will admit to judging him wrongly. I thought he was just another Milo, but he is completely different.

    No comparison. Leftys are correct in their fear of Peterson and his message.

  3. John Constantine

    Thoughtcrimes.

    Victorian shooters farmers and fishers party MP accused by their greens in parliament and condemned in their media for being the sort of deplorable that would think about shooting a giraffe on an African game park safari.

    Just saying he thought about a hunting safari and he is in a show trial and greens demand he lose his job for incorrectness.

    His mistake was talking to a green while she fished for a gotcha.

    They are not people, the greens are orcs that strive without rest for the eternal destruction of all that does not reek of righteous Orcnosity.

  4. Helen

    Thanks Confused Old Misfit – they certainly do seem to have a bob each way.

    To parphrase unreliables are now cheaper than cnventional, however it remains ot be seen if subsidies can be reduced or phased out therefore a mix of unreliables and conventional will be required going forward.

  5. dopey

    Just realized that Stormy Daniels is not Zoe Daniels, ABC reporter.

  6. Muddy

    Police should target drivers who vote conservative because their proven anti-social attitudes make them more dangerous to other road users, according to Greens M.P.

    Coming soon to a highway stop near you.

  7. egg_

    Helen
    #2657648, posted on March 11, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    IIRC John C changes/renews contracts every 3 months, as the supply rates stealthily change for the worse, if you don’t pay attention.

  8. Muddy

    OK, weird things are happening. I just posted a comment admitting quite above was, well…faked. But it has been disappeared. Spooky.

  9. Muddy

    Quote not quite. Who has fingers this fecking small? Grrr. Back to my extreme macrame.

  10. egg_

    The pollies might soon be in opposition, but the “deep state” departments will still be there.

    Sadly, I think that Labor have bigger b*lls to override their Departments.
    The LNP being full of backward-looking lawyers and accountants, per the car driving analogy upthread, probably explains much.

  11. val majkus

    A lovely old gent named Gent:

    thank you CL – shared that to a couple of horse related blogs I’m a member of – what an inspiring story!

  12. miltonf

    Trade Minister Steve Ciobo has not ruled out Australian support for WTO action against Trump on steel tariffs, despite Australia being exempted from them.

    So stoo-ped and nasty too. Seem to remember he was on the pile on against TA.

  13. Boambee John

    Zulu, Muddy and Top Ender

    I am starting a domestic downsizing process.

    Military books are among the areas being downsized. So far I have identified a bit over 100 books to go. About 30 are Australian, others are predominantly army subjects, including WW I, WW II, Vietnam, military development and similar. There are a few naval and air items and some general military histories.

    If you would like to look at what is available before I try the second hand market, please ask the Doomlord for my email.

    Professor D, if Zulu, Muddy or Top Ender ask for my email, please provide it to them. Thank you.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    I will admit to judging him wrongly. I thought he was just another Milo, but he is completely different.

    JBP has changed for the better, thank f$ck.

  15. miltonf

    See that old turd Juncker’s huffing and puffing against DT too.

  16. Frank

    Just realized that Stormy Daniels is not Zoe Daniels, ABC reporter.

    Stormy Daniels in a SFW guise, there aren’t many.

    Zoe Daniels.

    No comparison really.

  17. Roger.

    So stoo-ped and nasty too. Seem to remember he was on the pile on against TA.

    Maladroit had better rein him in if he wants to stay in DT’s good books.

  18. nemkat

    Sadly, I think that Labor have bigger b*lls to override their Departments.

    Like when Kevin Rudd went off message about an ETS / Carbon Tax, and next day he didn’t have a job?

  19. Baldrick

    Trade Minister Steve Ciobo has not ruled out Australian support for WTO action against Trump on steel tariffs, despite Australia being exempted from them.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  20. Boambee John;

    Military books are among the areas being downsized. So far I have identified a bit over 100 books to go. About 30 are Australian, others are predominantly army subjects, including WW I, WW II, Vietnam, military development and similar. There are a few naval and air items and some general military histories.

    Me Too?
    My sister lives in Boambee, and it would be a quick way of me getting some…

  21. nemkat

    How much steel do we export to the U.S., Baldrick?
    Any idea?

  22. OldOzzie

    mh
    #2657627, posted on March 11, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    OldOzzie, are you able to post the latest Piers Akerman piece on Trump?

    Thanks if you can.

    Getting harder to beat – but thanks to Tony Abbott

    and Tony Abbott’s Daily Telegraph link at the bottom of that posting goes to the Daily Telegraph Article

    Tony Abbott’s Support Page
    44 mins ·
    #Auspol #TonyAbbott #TurncoatTraitor

    Piers Akerman with a brilliant article of home truths.

    (Daily Telegraph)

    Piers Akerman: Donald Trump on track in dousing Cold War

    DONALD Trump looks set to defy his critics yet again and leave them grovelling for ¬excuses after agreeing to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and discuss nuclear disarmament.

    Since he moved to the White House just over a year ago, Trump has consistently wrong-footed those who protested against his election.

    Among those with egg dripping from their smug faces are all members of Australia’s alternative party of government — the ALP — which directly tried to influence the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election by paying party members to work on the campaign of Bernie Sanders, the left-wing Democratic candidate.

    Australian taxpayers were also tapped for funds by Labor to pay for this extraordinary involvement in the domestic politics of our closest ally.

    Not that the Turnbull government’s Foreign Minister Julie Bishop showed a great deal more intelligence. Her ¬department was so enthusiastically supporting the principal Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton that it didn’t even have a contact number for any -senior figures in Trump’s campaign office.

    It was only thanks to Australian golfer Greg Norman’s friendship with Trump that Bishop’s department, via our US ambassador Joe Hockey, was able to provide Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull with a phone number on which he could contact and congratulate Trump on his victory.

    Trump’s victory was one for the forgotten people of America — those whom Clinton sneeringly referred to as a “basket of deplorables”. Speaking at a fundraiser, she said they were “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it”.

    Clinton had been US foreign secretary under president Barak Obama, and among the worst to ever hold that office. Under the Obama administration the Middle East exploded and only now are the flames being brought under some semblance of control, thanks largely to Trump’s ¬determination. More importantly in our region, Trump wasn’t afraid to tackle the threat posed by Kim head-on even before he was elected President though his unorthodox Twitter strategy was relentlessly mocked.

    In September, 2015, Trump fired a salvo at Kim saying: “And nobody ever mentions North Korea where you have this ¬maniac sitting there and he ¬actually has nuclear weapons and somebody better start thinking about North Korea and perhaps a couple of other places. But certainly, North Korea.”

    In February, 2016, he hinted at his strategy saying: “I would get China to make that guy disappear in one form or another very quickly. I mean this guy’s a bad dude — and don’t underestimate him. Any young guy that can take over from his ¬father with all those generals and everybody else that probably wants the position, this is not somebody to be underestimated.”

    Last July he tweeted: “North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?”

    And he warned in August: “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.”

    That threat was spelled out by Trump in his first address to the UN General Assembly last September where he said: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a ¬suicide mission for himself and for his regimen.”

    Trump didn’t ease up, saying Kim was “obviously a madman who doesn’t mind starving or killing his people, will be tested like never before!” Two months ago he reminded the North Korean leader the US also had a nuclear arsenal — “Will someone from his depleted and food starved regimen please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger and more powerful one than his, and my ¬Button works!”

    What did apparently work were the sanctions the US persuaded the UN to impose on North Korea, backed by Trump’s strong stand that last week delivered the statement from North Korea indicating its willingness to denuclearise and agreement to halt missile testing during the period around the proposed talks.

    Trump’s achievements in office should offer comfort to conservatives everywhere. He promised on election to nominate conservative judges and he did so with the appointment of Justice Neil Gorsuch to the high court. Since then, Trump and his team have spent his first year filling a record-breaking number of federal ¬appeals court ¬vacancies, and there are many spots still left.

    He promised to “make America great again” and the US economy is certainly healthier than it was under Obama, with unemployment dropping and strong GDP numbers. He has delivered on his promise to “bomb the hell” out of ISIS and recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, reversing decades of inaction.

    Maybe he hasn’t built the wall he promised on the Mexican border but illegal immigration to the US last year fell to a 17-year low.

    He’s also keeping his promise to protect US industry from cheap foreign imports — while protecting relationships with strong allies. On this ¬record, he would probably be elected to a second term.

    The Australian newspaper’s esteemed commentator Paul Kelly told Australian conservatives this weekend they ¬“suffer from serious tactical ineptitude and misread public opinion”.

    John Howard, the greatest prime minister Australia has had since Robert Menzies,offered seriously conservative policies including a GST during his 11 years in office and is still regarded as the most popular living prime minister.

    A strong conservative with genuine conviction could ¬deliver the government Australia now sorely needs.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-donald-trump-on-track-in-dousing-cold-war/news-story/835dc538873cd1d12b07beddf0708f34

  23. egg_

    How much steel do we export to the U.S

    Someone mentioned upthread c. $0.5 Billion p.a. IIRC – Ciobo was busy trying to tie in Oz imports from the US such as Caterpillar products and Military equipment.

  24. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, Muddy and Top Ender

    I am starting a domestic downsizing process.

    Thank you for kind your offer, but I must decline. Appreciated, though.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    Trade Minister Steve Ciobo has not ruled out Australian support for WTO action against Trump on steel tariffs, despite Australia being exempted from them.

    What a fucking idiot.
    I hope Trump tells Trumble that all bets are off.
    “If you want to side with the Euros and the Chinese, fine. You can cop their tariffs too.”

  26. OldOzzie

    dopey
    #2657649, posted on March 11, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    Just realized that Stormy Daniels is not Zoe Daniels, ABC reporter.

    Hmmm – Zoe Daniels ABC Reporter vs Stormy Daniels

  27. Boambee John

    Winston Smith
    #2657677, posted on March 11, 2018 at 3:47 pm
    Boambee John;

    Military books are among the areas being downsized. So far I have identified a bit over 100 books to go. About 30 are Australian, others are predominantly army subjects, including WW I, WW II, Vietnam, military development and similar. There are a few naval and air items and some general military histories.

    Me Too?
    My sister lives in Boambee, and it would be a quick way of me getting some…

    OK Winston, please ask the Doomlord for my email.

    Professor D, please give Winston my email address, thank you.

  28. Rae

    Stormy Daniels in a SFW guise, there aren’t many.

    Sure there are. Lots of SFW pics of Stormy Daniels. And she’s better looking than old down-in-the-mouth Melania.

  29. nemkat

    Steve Ciobo wiki entry:
    The first line of that entry:
    Ciobo grew up in Mareeba, North Queensland, the youngest of three children in an Anglican family.
    An Anglican famuly? Who describes themselves like that?

  30. Boambee John

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2657685, posted on March 11, 2018 at 4:00 pm
    Zulu, Muddy and Top Ender

    I am starting a domestic downsizing process.

    Thank you for kind your offer, but I must decline. Appreciated, though.

    Thanks Zulu, distance can be a problem.

  31. nemkat

    Angry Zoe Daniels vs crazy Stormy Daniels?
    A strategically placed brown paper bag could even up those odds in Zoe’s favor..

  32. Top Ender

    Boambee John, thanks. Your email would be appreciated please Prof.

  33. zyconoclast

    We are governed by idiots:

    Trade Minister Steve Ciobo has not ruled out Australian support for WTO action against Trump on steel tariffs, despite Australia being exempted from them.

    Memo to Ciobo: You are out of your depth, son.

    #metoo?

  34. Leigh Lowe

    A great suggestion for Trump here.

    Donald Trump should take no grief for whatever he did years ago with the still-alive, still-flourishing, and reportedly financially better-off Stormy Daniels. If I were Trump, every time a reporter tried to ask me about Daniels, I would respond by talking about Chappaquiddick.

  35. LNP insider

    Steve Ciobo wiki entry:
    The first line of that entry:
    Ciobo grew up in Mareeba, North Queensland, the youngest of three children in an Anglican family.
    An Anglican famuly? Who describes themselves like that?

    A Wikipedia nerd who writes up biographies of politicians.

  36. Baldrick

    Time to give it away and do something else …

    Winter Paralympics: Australian para-snowboarder and opening ceremony flagbearer Joany Badenhorst crashes in training, ruled out of Games.
    Australian co-captain Joany Badenhorst has suffered a horrible case of deja vu, ruled out at a second consecutive Winter Paralympics after a training crash.
    The opening ceremony flagbearer injured her knee after falling heavily on Saturday, two days before she was to compete in the snowboard cross event in PyeongChang.
    Co-captain Badenhorst was one of Australia’s best hopes to break a 16-year gold medal drought after reaching the World Cup podium 22 times since Sochi 2014. She failed to compete in Sochi after a crash on her final training run left her with a broken patella, collapsed hip and dislocated knee.

  37. zyconoclast

    Jury finds Victorian man Dwayne Lindsey guilty of killing partner’s six-month-old baby

    A Melbourne man found guilty of murdering his girlfriend’s six-month-old baby can “rot in hell”, a family member says.

    Ice user Dwayne Lindsey, 34, murdered baby Chayse Dearing at Glenroy while his mother Michelle went shopping on June 26, 2016.

    Chayse suffered severe traumatic brain and spinal cord injuries, marks on his neck, bruising and abrasions on his groin, and retinal bleeding.

    Was the mother charged?

  38. rickw

    A strong conservative with genuine conviction could ¬deliver the government Australia now sorely needs.

    I’m not so sure, the “conservatives” have been screwing real Australia harder than anyone else. John Howard’s Gun Laws for instance leave the country ill equipped to face its bleak incompatible migrant filled future. Electing those intent on looking after their maaaates would have been far cheaper in the long run and much less indelible.

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mark Moyar’s book “Oppose Any Foe – The Rise of America’s Special Operations Forces.”” makes interesting reading…

    “Special operators, their political leaders, and the nation became inured to a world in which an individual with five combat deployments was unexceptional, and someone with ten was increasingly common. Sergeant First Class Kristoffer Domeij, of the 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment was on his fourteenth deployment when a booby trapped bomb took his life in October, 2011. The condolence letter from President O’Bama to the Ranger’s mother , Scoti Domeij, illustrated the extent to which the sacrifices of America’s special warriors had become matters of dreary routine to the nations political leadership. The letter arrived in Mrs. Dmeij’s letterbox long after her son had died – many days after the handwritten letter, sent to her by former President George .W. Bush – and the letter appeared, in the mother’s estimation, to have been “signed by an automatic pen.” (Pages 308 – 309.)

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Was the mother charged?

    Ice addict blows a kiss to his girlfriend’s family as he is found guilty of murdering her six-month-old son after throwing him at a wall because he thought the little boy was a spider

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5486755/Ice-addict-guilty-murdering-girlfriends-six-month-old-baby.html#ixzz59Q33enrr
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    The guilty has been awake for days on an ice bender, and mum leaves the baby with him to go shopping?

  41. Rae

    A big spider spun a beautiful web off the fence inside our pool enclosure a couple of days ago and spent most of its time sitting in plain view right in the middle of it. This morning the web had been smashed away, and there has been no further sign of the big spider. Methinks that spider became breakfast for a magpie.

  42. nemkat

    The guilty has been awake for days on an ice bender, and mum leaves the baby with him to go shopping?
    Sounds a bit unbelievable.
    More believable: she’s killed the baby in a rage, he’s put his hand up to take the blame.

  43. EvilElvis

    Either way, nemkat, the damage is done and a bullet for both will see that it doesn’t happen again. Dogs, just fucking dogs they are.

  44. I saw a ridiculously long “welcome to country” today.
    The NSW Surf Life Saving Championships have been running for a few days at Swansea Belmont.
    During a pause for official proceedings, a young woman with long blond hair was invited to do the indigenous welcome.
    Lots of names of local tribes were mentioned, all the past present and future elders were acknowledged, followed by her rendition of a very long poem.
    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.”

    If not for the accidental humour at the end, I would have come away thinking that WTC symbolism is taking over the country.

  45. OldOzzie

    Tony Abbott’s Support Page
    42 mins ·

    What the new citizenship minister doesn’t realize is we are not dealing with normal immigrants and the multiculturalism BS only became the word around ten years ago when we had what I call the invaders sent to us by the UN, today’s invaders are not the same as the immigrants who built Australia.

    The invaders want to live in clusters have a look at the UK, they are not interested in learning our values or fitting in, when we finally work that out life will be a breeze, it’s okay to spend millions trying to teach them to speak English but they are only interested in the hand outs.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/03/11/10/36/citizenship-minister-alan-tudge-believes-migrants-limited-english-causes-ethnic-clustering

    New citizenship minister says migrants’ limited English causes ‘ethnic clustering’
    Australia’s new Minister for Citizenship Alan Tudge believes the rate of migrants who cannot speak English …
    9NEWS.COM.AU

  46. zyconoclast

    Acadia University and the Weaponizing of Administrative Absurdity & Excess

    Another Canadian university and one of its professors have both fallen victim to what many say is a dangerous, poorly constructed, incoherent and overreaching harassment policy.

    Acadia University is located in Nova Scotia, Canada. In 2014 it had revenue of $95,346,000, but managed to spend $101,020,000. They were also the recipient of a $24,500,000 bailout for the 2016/17 fiscal year. Acadia has been accused of obscene administrative excess and extreme bureaucratic incompetence and mismanagement. They are now engaged in another troubling controversy that is likely to further damage their already battered reputation.

    Professor Rick Mehta received a letter from his employer dated February 13, 2018, informing him that he is being investigated in response to “complaints and expressions of concern” over “…the manner in which you are expressing views that you are alleged to be advancing or supporting…” I could not find anyone who could accurately describe what an “expression of concern” is. It is possible that this might mean a facial expression of some sort.

    Mehta is a well spoken and mild mannered psychology professor who has expressed an interest in seeing more than one perspective explored while problem solving. For example, for Indigenous Peoples reconciliation discussions, he has supported the idea that there could be more than one perspective and that perhaps if more perspectives were to be introduced, there would be more meaningful and productive conversations, and that this might bring about some genuinely positive progress. He has stated that he does not wish to diminish or disregard the past suffering of Indigenous Peoples, but rather, feels that the free exchange of ideas and a more open conversation would be helpful in achieving positive outcomes. He also created a video in which he discusses, in great detail, free speech in universities.

    While Mehta’s position is very reasonable, measured and productive, and is in keeping with traditional approaches to problem solving and learning, the university’s harassment policy guarantees trouble. The policy appears to have been hastily crafted. As soon as you read the policy inherent flaws begin to jump out at you. Here are two relevant sections:

    C.18 Discrimination, sexual harassment, and personal harassment can occur during one incident, or over a series of incidents including single incidents, which, in isolation, would not necessarily constitute discrimination, sexual harassment, or personal harassment. This can occur on or off campus and at any time, provided it is an extension of the workplace or the learning environment.

    C.19 The fact that someone did not intend to harass or discriminate is no defense to a complaint. Regardless of intent, it is the effect and characteristics of the behaviour that determine whether the behaviour constitutes discrimination, sexual harassment or personal harassment.

    As you can see from the above policy components, anyone who expresses an opinion that any other person might disagree with has acted contrary to the policy. Professor Mehta’s position that the free exchange of ideas is helpful in problem solving would cause someone who wanted only their own opinion to be heard, at the exclusion of all others, to be offended. The offended party would then only need to say that they “felt harassed” or ‘felt marginalized” or “felt discriminated against” in order to successfully meet the threshold for a successful harassment complaint as described in the policy. This makes serious discussions on any topic impossible and makes the policy into a political weapon which can be used as a deterrent against the uttering of statements that are contrary to the current enforced group-think.

  47. zyconoclast

    The Wild Oats Project review: Robin Rinaldi took a year off from her marriage to sleep with strangers. What could go wrong?
    “The Wild Oats Project: One Woman’s Midlife Quest for Passion at Any Cost” by Robin Rinaldi

    Get ready for “The Wild Oats Project”. And not just the book. Get ready for “The Wild Oats Project” phenomenon — the debates, the think pieces, the imitators and probably the movie. Get ready for orgasmic meditation and the Three Rules. Get ready for “My Clitoris Deals Solely in Truth” T-shirts.

    Robin Rinaldi, a magazine journalist living in San Francisco by way of Scranton, Pa., initially wasn’t sure she wanted children, but she knew that Scott, her stoic Midwestern husband, did not. Over time, Rinaldi decided a baby would add purpose to their lives, but Scott wouldn’t change his mind. “I wanted a child, but only with him,” she explains. “He didn’t want a child but wanted to keep me.” When Scott opted for a vasectomy, she demanded an open marriage.

    “I refuse to go to my grave with no children and only four lovers,” she declares. “If I can’t have one, I must have the other.”

    If you’re wondering why that is the relevant trade-off, stop overthinking this. “The Wild Oats Project” is the year-long tale of how a self-described “good girl” in her early 40s moves out, posts a personal ad “seeking single men age 35-50 to help me explore my sexuality,” sleeps with roughly a dozen friends and strangers, and joins a sex commune, all from Monday to Friday, only to rejoin Scott on weekends so they can, you know, work on their marriage.

  48. Rae

    The NSW Surf Life Saving Championships have been running for a few days at Swansea Belmont.
    During a pause for official proceedings, a young woman with long blond hair was invited to do the indigenous welcome.

    Maybe she represented the “Black” in Blacksmiths Beach, which is where Swansea Belmont Surf Lifesaving Club is located.

  49. Nick

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.”

    Strange how saying that white people created something would be racist, though stating that Aborigines have special powers, isn’t.

  50. zyconoclast

    Student barred from class for claiming there are two genders

    A student at Indiana University of Pennsylvania was recently barred from attending a religious studies class that he needs in order to graduate after he questioned his instructor’s claims regarding the “reality of white male privilege.”

    Lake Ingle said he objected to some of the claims made in a video featuring a transgender woman, and countered by arguing that there are only two genders and that the “gender wage gap” is a myth.

  51. OldOzzie

    A closer look at the preseason F1 tests

    The conclusions we can draw from the two preseason Formula 1 tests

  52. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 2:36 pm:

    ” Oxford University says it is “deeply sorry” for asking a female cleaner to remove graffiti saying “Happy International Women’s Day” on International Women’s Day.

    Hence, my remark about little brown women cleaning up the IWD “streamers and bubbly” (of the elites); they probably have to clean the glass ceiling the other 364 days of the year, too.

    Oh I do like that bit – it slips a stiletto straight into the guts of the self absorbed ungrateful bitches.

    Their hypocrisy won’t come to mind until after they appreciate just how little time they will enjoy at the top of the corporate pile, undeserved prejudiced leg up ‘n all. The period in the spotlight for highly (and almost always better) qualified men has shortened considerably during the past twenty years, to perhaps five years or so. They will find themselves on the scrapheap armed only with their humanities degrees – communications, personnel, legal studies, ethics – for which there is minimal work in consulting.

  53. Roger.

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.

    Sometimes I wonder whether these characters are having a lend.

  54. calli

    dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.”

    Yikes.

    Was it a Smoking Ceremony?

  55. Infidel Tiger

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.

    They then speared them and cooked them over a fire lit by black lightning.

  56. Baldrick

    EvilElvis
    #2657732, posted on March 11, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Do yourself and everybody else at the Cat a favour and SCROLL THE TROLL .

  57. Snoopy

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.”

    I recall an article in the Courier Mail some years ago which uncritically quoted an Aboriginal elder out of Fraser Island claiming that the Aboriginal people there used to dive for Nautilus shells.

  58. dopey

    Barrie Cassidy should be training greyhounds in Oodnadatta.

  59. Nick

    Aborigines. There’s nothing they can do. Except find a job.

  60. Chris

    Well! Instapundit just referred me to the interesting-looking Stephen Pinker book Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress

    In seventy-five jaw-dropping graphs, Pinker shows that life, health, prosperity, safety, peace, knowledge, and happiness are on the rise, not just in the West, but worldwide. This progress is not the result of some cosmic force. It is a gift of the Enlightenment: the conviction that reason and science can enhance human flourishing.

    Far from being a naïve hope, the Enlightenment, we now know, has worked. But more than ever, it needs a vigorous defense. The Enlightenment project swims against currents of human nature–tribalism, authoritarianism, demonization, magical thinking–which demagogues are all too willing to exploit. Many commentators, committed to political, religious, or romantic ideologies, fight a rearguard action against it. The result is a corrosive fatalism and a willingness to wreck the precious institutions of liberal democracy and global cooperation.

    With intellectual depth and literary flair, Enlightenment Now makes the case for reason, science, and humanism: the ideals we need to confront our problems and continue our progress.

    Here’s the thing: I ended up booted from amazon.com to .com.au without a link to what I was looking at, and ended up buying two other books instead. Now I realise they were not what I went after.

    (BTW, how are graphs on Kindle? I haven’t used e-readers for a long time, and wonder whether the pathetic effort to present graphs, tables and pictures in ebooks five years ago was any better now.)

  61. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.

    Sometimes I wonder whether these characters are having a lend.

    Pulling the legs of gullible whitefellas is considered fine sport by the indigenous.

    “Maybe two, maybe three hundred of our people shot and burned…”

  62. Nick

    How many of the Left are whining about men or white privelidge with regards to those suited up to investigate the poisoning of the Russian and hs daughter? Didn’t think so.

  63. Chris

    Aborigines. There’s nothing they can do. Except find a job.

    Nick are you trolling detesticle? Good work, keep it up.

  64. Atoms for Peace

    Bunnings sells some good discrete ear plugs for use during SJW ceremonies.

  65. EvilElvis

    Baldrick
    #2657759, posted on March 11, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    On a humorous note my lovely partner has no idea about catallaxy files whatsoever yet is more than pressing in trying to discover what my name is and is always ready with a genuinely intrigued “what are Baldrick and egg up to today?”

    If only she knew…

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bunnings sells some good discrete ear plugs for use during SJW ceremonies.

    Learning to yawn through your nose, is an invaluable skill for such ceremonies.

  67. Nick

    The headline:

    Big whack and fries: Moment firebrand far-right thug Tommy Robinson ‘brawls with masked left-wing extremists’ outside McDonald’s

    The byline:

    he right-wing former English Defence League leader, his camerawoman and another cameraman appear to be set upon by a group of around seven masked men at a retail park in north London. In the video, Robinson can be heard asking if they wanted to go ‘one on one’ before punches and kicks are thrown from both sides. As Robinson begins to unload his own punches on the masked group, he has his feet swept from underneath him by the group, who reign down kicks on him.

  68. calli

    Bunnings sells some good discrete ear plugs for use during SJW ceremonies.

    It’s sprung on the unsuspecting punters. No time to rummage around in the handbag.

    Virtue Signalling flashers.

  69. Atoms for Peace

    ZK2A..you are more polite than me. I tend to mutter FFS and read something on the phone.

  70. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A..you are more polite than me. I tend to mutter FFS and read something on the phone.

    I have difficulty keeping a straight face when they “acknowledge the wisdom of the elders.”

  71. EvilElvis

    Speaking of aboriginal sjw shite, does anyone elses kids do the wanju wanju song at assemblies? FMD…

  72. calli

    EvilElvis, The Beloved knows my screen name here. When he saw my Gravatar for the first time he laughed, “Yeah, that’d be right”.

    I’m still not quite sure what he meant. 😃

    Which is as it should be.

  73. Atoms for Peace

    Calli . The fall back position is to turn your back on the bullshit.

  74. EvilElvis

    Haha, I’m treating mine as a game calli. I’ve dropped some massive hints to lead into a significant portion of my screen name but her brains just not wired right.

  75. Well! Instapundit just referred me to the interesting-looking Stephen Pinker book Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress

    Sounds too much like the standard boilerplate we have been hearing since the 19th century. What needs to be done by those promoting this historical tosh is the presentation of an account that elaborates how ‘the Enlightenment’ led to precisely to the sort of pathologies they are gasbagging about like the gender ideology. Failing that, they are part of the same problem.

  76. egg_

    Bunnings sells some good discrete ear plugs for use during SJW ceremonies.

    Rainbow coloured?
    That covers both Abo & Qwerty ceremonies?

  77. duncanm

    More JP news — the interview by Neil Mitchell is worth a gander. Mitchell starts with not-the-expected line of probing, and Peterson is quite emotional when describing (and it seems to me coming to a bit of a realisation in the interview) the life-saving impact he is having on some people.

  78. Senile Old Guy

    Kindle can show pictures and diagrams BUT the publisher has to format correctly. I have bought photography books on Kindle and the photos, diagrams and graphs are fine: better on the Android app than on the gray scale Kindle that I have. Handy because I can also read on the app on my phone if I get stuck.

  79. nemkat

    Aborigines. There’s nothing they can do. Except find a job.

    Things that go with finding a job:
    1. Working 3- 4 months / year for the Government.
    2. Spending 60%+ of your time away from home
    3. Interacting with people you’d normally avoid
    4. Other costs of earning a living
    Versus
    Doing none of these things, and getting paid by the Government.

  80. Chris

    The Battle of Spion Kop
    Bloodnok: I claim the South Pole in the name of Gladys Ploog of 13 The Sebastibal Villas, Sutton.
    Seagoon: Who is she, sir?
    Bloodnok: I don’t know, but obviously we’re doing her a big favour.

    Between testes nullius and welcome to country , there was Peter Sellers.

  81. stackja

    How everyday Aussies can help save endangered native species from extinction
    Katrina Sichlau, News Corp Australia Network
    March 11, 2018 7:51am
    Subscriber only
    EVER since Europeans landed on Botany Bay in 1788, Australia’s wild animal population has been on a steady decline. Now, more than 200 years later, many of our native fauna species are facing extinction — and for some (including the renowned Tasmanian tiger and numerous other animals), it’s already too late.

    “At least 30 native mammals have become extinct since European settlement — 14 in just the past 50 years,” said CEO of the Foundation for National Parks and Wildlife, Ian Darbyshire.

    “That gives Australia the unwanted record of having the worst mammal extinction rate in the world.”

  82. DrBeauGan

    This is the next frontier for the social justice Left, ladies, gentleman, and dolphins.

    Stunning. Brave. I want to vomit.

    Leftism truly is the greatest mental illness known to mankind….

    My main objection to lefties is that they are authoritarian arseholes. Now I have no desire to fuck a dolphin, nor any other non-human species. And only about a tenth of the human species. But if a female dolphin wants it and a bloke is agreeable, why should I or anyone else care? Why does it upset you so much. It’s weird, it violates a taboo, but what harm does it do beyond shocking conservatives? Which is good for them, gingers up their livers.

    Likewise, sheep. If a sheep had the choice between being screwed or eaten, I daresay it would prefer the sex. Again, a bloke who preferred a ewe to a Sheila would have to be weird, but why legislate against it unless it hurts the sheep?

    I usually get on OK with conservatives, until they start trying to impose their taboos on others. Then they are no better than lefties.

  83. kc

    Is it just me, or maybe grumpy old man syndrome but I am getting a bit overwhelmed with the focus on “bullying” which seems to dominate media and political debate. I know I grew up in an era when “bullying” was getting the odd smack in the gob by some older tougher kid and internet was a way of catching a fish but is the whole thing getting over the top? Looking back on a life well lived, as a kid in grade 11, the only 2 kids in the school smaller than me were 2 grade 8 girls. A “late bloomer” I was, suffice to say, the butt of a lot of ribbing, and a lot of it not “good natured”, but, what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, and, stronger I became. Ultimately our formative years shape who we become in adult life and I worry like hell that generation snowflake just can’t cope with anything out of their comfort zone. As an employer of a fairly large workforce I am constantly guarding against “bullying”, even though, in many cases, what was just supervisor to staff “general rev up” or interstaff banter has now become a minefield that needs to be guarded against and managed. I know Facebook must have changes things for kids, but, it strikes me that the easiest way to avoid on line bullying is just turn off the bloody computer and harden the F up. That said, how can one not empathise with the parents of kids who have caved in to the pressure and killed themselves? How does “bullying” get to be so bad, or, is just part of the wider puzzle of youth suicide?

  84. Chris

    I usually get on OK with conservatives, until they start trying to impose their taboos on others. Then they are no better than lefties.

    Come on Beaugan. These days a conservative is someone who is twenty minutes behind the Mardi Gras crowd in getting their pants off.

  85. Chris

    “At least 30 native mammals have become extinct since European settlement — 14 in just the past 50 years,” said CEO of the Foundation for National Parks and Wildlife, Ian Darbyshire.

    250,000 species are supposed go extinct by 2005, so I think that 30 is actually pretty tolerable, old chap.

  86. Pedro the Ignorant

    Default position for all “welcome to country” bullshit is to walk out while the drivel is being spouted.

    You will earn some frosty looks and whispering behind hands, and a big cheesy grin will ramp up the the SJW outrage to eleventy.

    Done it at heaps of events from Council meeting to industry conferences, and find myself being joined by more and more fellow travellers.

  87. Top Ender

    Kids these days have it easy.

    The school I went to streamed us into four levels. They were called Gold, Red, Green and Grey. The latter of course was for the thickies. I was in that one.

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Crown Prosecutor Margaret Cunneen SC set to leave the DPP
    AVA BENNY-MORRISON and BRENDEN HILLS, The Sunday Telegraph
    March 11, 2018 1:01pm
    Subscriber only

    AFTER decades building a reputation as the victims’ champion, barrister Margaret Cunneen is ready to quit as Deputy Senior Crown Prosecutor.

    In a further blow to the Director of Public Prosecutions office — following the retirement of top prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC last month — she has told friends and colleagues she is ready for a change and wants to move into defence.

    Ms Cunneen, who is responsible for convicting some of the state’s most notorious criminals, refused to comment last week, however multiple sources have confirmed the 59-year-old has openly discussed the shift.

    “She wants to leave the DPP and move into defence next year,” one source said.

    The widely talked-about departure of Ms Cunneen, who rose to prominence prosecuting the Skaf gang rapists in the 2000s, follows the announcement by the state Attorney-General this week that DPP barrister Christopher Maxwell QC, who held the same position as Ms Cunneen, would fill Mr Tedeschi’s role as Senior Crown Prosecutor.

    As an employee who joined the DPP before 1988, Ms Cunneen will qualify for a pension after the age of 60. She became a crown prosecutor in 1990, earning a reputation as a fearless and dogged prosecutor, particularly pursuing sexual abuse offenders.

    The mother-of-three is often the number one prosecutor of choice for police, as well as a shining light for women in the traditionally male-dominated legal fraternity.

    Among a string of high-profile cases she has helped to prosecute were paedophiles Robert “Dolly” Dunn, Michael Guider, Colin Fisk and Philip Bell, Campsie serial
    rapist Quoc Vinh To, and collar bomber Paul Peters, who tried to extort money from the family of teenager Maddie Pulver

    I know Cunneen had sent the Skaf brothers to the jug, but I didn’t know she’d jugged “Dolly” Dunn, as well.

  89. DrBeauGan

    I’m not sure what to call slayer of memes, who was sickened by a bloke having it off with an aggressive female dolphin, other than conservative, Chris. The Conservatives are another matter. I think the pants off at the Mardi gras types are Liberals. As opposed to liberals.

  90. Roger.

    I usually get on OK with conservatives, until they start trying to impose their taboos on others. Then they are no better than lefties.

    It’s not about taboos – which is a sociologically loaded term – but boundaries, bg.

    Boundaries are deeply rooted – no pun intended! – in human culture. They are an attempt to preserve right order in a cosmos that otherwise threatens to dissolve into chaos.

  91. DrBeauGan

    Or maybe moderates.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Sounds too much like the standard boilerplate we have been hearing since the 19th century. What needs to be done by those promoting this historical tosh is the presentation of an account that elaborates how ‘the Enlightenment’ led to precisely to the sort of pathologies they are gasbagging about like the gender ideology. Failing that, they are part of the same problem.

    Taleb has had some very good takedowns of Pinker.

    I like Pinker but he does suffer from the magical thinking idisease many economists are afflicted with.

  93. DrBeauGan

    It’s not about taboos – which is a sociologically loaded term – but boundaries, bg.

    Boundaries are deeply rooted – no pun intended! – in human culture. They are an attempt to preserve right order in a cosmos that otherwise threatens to dissolve into chaos.

    OK, Roger. I don’t want your bloody boundaries imposed on me. Some I may go along with, probably most, but I don’t recall giving anyone a licence to force theirs on me. Or on the dolphin or her bloke.

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The school I went to streamed us into four levels. They were called Gold, Red, Green and Grey. The latter of course was for the thickies. I was in that one.

    I went to school when boys did woodwork and metal work, and girls learned home science, including how to bathe an infant, and change a nappy…

  95. EvilElvis

    I usually get on OK with conservatives, until they start trying to impose their taboos on others. Then they are no better than lefties.

    Dr, I’m a conservative and am ok if you want to have a consensual sexual relationship with a dolphin or sheep. Or both. At the same time. There must be a joke in there about a wooly blowhole somewhere…

    Don’t confuse politically conservative with religiously or morally conservative.

  96. egg_

    Landline today spent 30? minutes on home birth (in remote areas FFS).
    It’s virtually the CWA hour nowadays.

  97. Nick

    I usually get on OK with conservatives, until they start trying to impose their taboos on others. Then they are no better than lefties.

    Ask yourselves a question. Think of the last time someone you know, say at work, proclaimed themselves to be either,
    A) Lefty, or
    B) Conservative

    Conservatives usually keep their beliefs private.

  98. Roger.

    OK, Roger. I don’t want your bloody boundaries imposed on me.

    You’re a recalcitrant nihilist, bg.

    But as long as you keep it in the confines of your bedroom I won’t raise a quibble.

    Conservatives are actually much more tolerant than Leftists.

  99. DrBeauGan

    Don’t confuse politically conservative with religiously or morally conservative.

    I was using the term to connote people who are conservative by temperament, Evil. Perhaps we should abandon it. Stodgy old farts might be better.

  100. classical_hero

    People who have sex with animals are sick people.

  101. Gab

    Default position for all “welcome to country” bullshit is to walk out while the drivel is being spouted.

    We had one of those at work this week, courtesy of taxpayers. Sadly (:D ) no smoking ceremony as it would have set off the fire alarms. So instead, we had the didgeridoo played by some young Abo dressed in work gear that would have made a roadworks gang proud – complete with hi-vis vest.

    Unfortunately, at the start of the proceedings, I just had to go move my car. 🙂

  102. EvilElvis

    Stodgy old farts

    I think that’s the end result of the aforementioned woolie blowhole trysts…

    Anyhow…

  103. Rae

    Well, apart from the girl being the “Black” in Blacksmiths Beach, there is no real need for so many here to be critical of the story she told. After all, to claim that dolphins (or porpoises) waved their arms (fins) compares well with claims that a man:

    – walked on water.
    – turned water into wine.
    – fed a multitude with a few herrings and some bread rolls.
    – healed a blind man by putting spit and mud on the mans eyes.
    – came back to life three days after dying by crucifixion.
    – etc, etc.

    Get a grip people. It was just a story. And maybe told no less well than those others I’ve just referred to.

    [ Yes, I know. She was an aboriginal. And you hate aboriginals]

  104. egg_

    if you want to have a consensual sexual relationship with a dolphin or sheep. Or both. At the same time.

    This sort of crap probably airs on Viceland from time-to-time, but what percentage of the audience would be interested, unless it’s a form of ghoulishness, like watching a train wreck?

  105. Nick

    Default position for all “welcome to country” bullshit is to walk out while the drivel is being spouted.

    I know of a funeral recently where the sister of the deceased insisted on a welcome to country. The husband quite rightly said that the Irish who gave 10% of their scandal wages to build the magnificent church needed acknowledging, not those who had done nothing at all.

  106. DrBeauGan

    You’re a recalcitrant nihilist, bg.

    Recalcitrant yes, Roger. Nihilist, definitely not.

    I agree that people who have conservative values are usually far more tolerant than lefties. That’s part of why I much prefer their company.

    I am greatly in favour of maintaining and extending the Western intellectual tradition. I don’t feel it is threatened by the odd bloke, very odd, having it off with a sheep or dolphin.

  107. Nick

    A bakery I know of are selling Easter buns, without the cross, presumably lest such a sight inflame the eater.
    Imagine not joining in on imposed rituals such as welcome to country, claiming that it offended one’s beliefs.

  108. DrBeauGan

    classical_hero
    #2657823, posted on March 11, 2018 at 7:43 pm
    People who have sex with animals are sick people.

    Undoubtedly. Along with the entire lgbtiqxyz crowd. But do we ban their loony behaviour or just laugh at them? I favour the second option.

  109. Roger.

    We had one of those at work this week, courtesy of taxpayers.

    Whatever the genesis of these ceremonies, the “welcome to country” ostensibly rests upon the indigenous animist religious system.

    On that basis its promotion with tax payers’ funds it quite possibly unconstitutional.

    We are not talking about tax payers’ funds supporting the endeavours of bona fide religious organisations for the common good here, but the imposition of the observance of a religious belief system via their participation in these ceremonies. That is another matter entirely.

  110. nemkat

    I am greatly in favour of maintaining and extending the Western intellectual tradition.

    You’re kidding.
    I mentioned that Charles Darwin considered Africans to be a separate Species of Human, the other day, and you went off your nut.

  111. Roger.

    Recalcitrant yes, Roger. Nihilist, definitely not.

    OK. I’ll withdraw the latter charge. 🙂

  112. nemkat

    …came back to life three days after dying by crucifixion.

    Died on Friday, was up and about early Sunday morning. That would be the third day, if Friday was the first.

  113. DrBeauGan

    nemkat
    #2657834, posted on March 11, 2018 at 7:55 pm
    I am greatly in favour of maintaining and extending the Western intellectual tradition.

    You’re kidding.
    I mentioned that Charles Darwin considered Africans to be a separate Species of Human, the other day, and you went off your nut.

    That’s because it is not true. I’m big on truth. I think it’s important.

  114. egg_

    Do they celebrate the passing of the megafauna in their (megafauna) smoking ceremonies?

  115. zyconoclast

    People who have sex with animals are sick people.

    Love is love

  116. egg_

    The Australian collection of megafauna some 50,000 years ago included 1,000-pound kangaroos, 2-ton wombats, 25-foot-long lizards, 400-pound flightless birds, 300-pound marsupial lions and Volkswagen-sized tortoises. More than 85 percent of Australia’s mammals, birds and reptiles weighing over 100 pounds went extinct shortly after the arrival of the first humans, said Miller.

    Tasty!

  117. John Constantine

    Maxwell would have caught that.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Khawaja is a very poor fielder. Like many of the whirling dervish persuasion he is a lazy xunt.

  119. zyconoclast

    Before the game: Victory over Jaguares can set us up for season, says Waratahs coach Daryl Gibson

    Score: Jaguars 38: 28 Waratahs

    After the game: We made errors – Gibson rues mistakes as Jaguares run riot

  120. nemkat

    Here you go, Dr BeauGan:
    Charles Darwin’s Letter toWilliam Graham [1881]
    An excerpt:
    Remember what risks the nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago of being overwhelmed by the Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is. The more civilised so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.

  121. zyconoclast

    Khawaja is a very poor fielder. Like many of the whirling dervish persuasion he is a lazy xunt.

    I said at the time, English incompetence allowed this bloke a ticket to South Africa.

  122. Eyrie

    “Default position for all “welcome to country” bullshit is to walk out while the drivel is being spouted”

    Organise a few like minded souls and when the bullshit starts throw your heads back and laugh out loud and yell “Bullshit!”.

    Reminds me of Joe McCarthy who was stopped by an Army General saying ” have you no shame?”

  123. John Constantine

    Khawaja don’t dive or sprawl.

    Why risk a well paid batting career just to make a bowlers career better?.

    The team victory was always an incentive to throw yourself around the field.

    Chris Lynn should have protected his shoulder more, but didn’t.

    Javed Miandad set the gold standard for a batsman that fielded so no strain was put on his body.

  124. DrBeauGan

    Nemkat, the ‘so called’ tells you he is using the word ‘race’ in the popular and not the technical sense. Read the Origin of Species and the Descent of Man for statements that directly contradict your claim.

  125. DrBeauGan

    Which was about species, not races.

  126. C.L.

    SHM has feature on survivalist Democrat driven to breakdown by Trump …

    The man who chose to turn off the news.

    Ohio: At first, the experiment didn’t have a name.

    Right after the election, Erik Hagerman decided he’d take a break from reading about the hoopla of politics.

    President Donald Trump’s victory shook him. Badly. And so Hagerman developed his own eccentric experiment, one that was part silent protest, part coping mechanism, part extreme self-care plan.

    He swore that he would avoid learning about anything that happened to the United States after November 8, 2016.

    “It was draconian and complete,” he said. “It’s not like I wanted to just steer away from Trump or shift the conversation. It was like I was a vampire and any photon of Trump would turn me to dust.”

    It was just going to be for a few days. But he is now more than a year into knowing almost nothing about US politics. He has managed to become shockingly uninformed during one of the most eventful chapters in modern US history. He is as ignorant as a contemporary citizen could ever hope to be…

    “I just look at the weather,” said Hagerman, 53, who lives alone on a pig farm in southeastern Ohio. But, he added, “it’s only so diverting.”

    He says he has gotten used to a feeling that he hasn’t experienced in a long time. “I am bored,” he said. “But it’s not bugging me.”

    It takes meticulous planning to find boredom. Hagerman commits as hard as a method actor, and his self-imposed regimen — white-noise tapes at the coffee shop, awkward scolding of friends, a ban on social media — has reshaped much of his life.

    Extreme as it is, it’s a path that likely holds some appeal for liberals these days — a DIY version of moving to Canada…

    For a guy who has gone to great lengths to essentially plug his ears, Hagerman sure does talk a lot. He is witty and discursive, punctuating his stories with wild-eyed grins, exaggerated grimaces and more than the occasional lost thread.

  127. Infidel Tiger

    It must also be noted that Steve Smith leads one of the most mentally weak bunch of pretender to ever pull on the creams.

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    African gang bashes disability pensioner in violent Melbourne home invasion

    The Australian
    6:42PM March 11, 2018
    Simone Fox Koob
    Journalist
    Sydney
    @SimoneFoxKoob

    A disability pensioner has been hit over the head with a wooden plank as a group of four youths raided his home during a violent home invasion in Melbourne.

    Police are searching for four offenders of African appearance following the aggravated burglary which occurred on Vere Street in Collingwood just after 3am on Saturday morning.

    “The males… forced entry to the home via a rear door, where the man was assaulted,” police said in a statement. “They then fled the scene.”

    The victim, Adam, sustained minor injuries and was taken to hospital for observation.

    The 41-year-old told Channel Nine News on Sunday some of the offenders hit him repeatedly with the plank on the head and torso, while the others raided the house and stole an I-Pad from the bedroom.

    “These guys were motivated, these guys were just crazy,” he said.

    He said he yelled the phrase “Help, home invasion” repeatedly while the attack was occurring.

    The attack was captured on CCTV installed within the flat, with images obtained by Channel Nine showing Adam holding a t-shirt to his bleeding head after the offenders left.

    From the Oz. Fatty Ashton’s Flying Circus still says there is no African gang problem in melbourne?

  129. nemkat

    …the ‘so called’ tells you he is using the word ‘race’ in the popular and not the technical sense.

    This was a formal letter from one Scientist to another., so yes, he was speaking in the ”technical sense”.
    Darwin believed, possibly due to his extensive travels, that there were 15 different Species of Human.
    ”Caucasian” likely covers several of these Species, or Races.

  130. Nick

    Zulu, it will only become a problem when someone uses rude words to describe the offenders.

  131. zyconoclast

    Fellow Australians, it is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that:
    Liberal MP Tim Wilson weds after parliament proposal

  132. stackja

    Lawry’s men left directly for South Africa. Already tired, they confronted fast and bouncy pitches in contrast to low, slow and dusty spinning pitches in India. Upon arrival, Lawry declared Ian Chappell to be the best batsman in the world, something that would come back to haunt him.[46] For his part, the Australian commentator Alan McGilvray said that when they arrived in Johannesburg, the Australians “looked haggard. Their eyes seemed to be standing out of their heads and some of them looked positively yellow.”

  133. Tintarella di Luna

    No political party in the world has produced so many child r-apists as the ALP.
    It is incredible.

    It certainly is and I wonder why that is?

  134. Nick

    Zyconoclast,good taste forbids me from asking about the ring.

  135. overburdened

    Hmmm – Zoe Daniels ABC Reporter vs Stormy Daniels

    My gran used to say, ‘beauty is as beauty does’.
    I will defer to moralists to work it out.
    I think that if Zoe Daniels could STFU and run with the vibe, I think any engagement would be mutually fab.
    I am speaking completely for myself and implying no disrespect.
    As for the other Daniels, she’s had more roosters or something than I’ve had hot dinners.
    I’m reminded of an old phrase that went something like, ‘Throwing a carrot up Pillar Valley’,
    and a person I once mixed with who reported that he couldn’t have relations with a particular girl because he didn’t have a dead dog’s dick on a 20′ pole.

  136. Leigh Lowe

    The Saffies are putting the Sledgers to the sword.
    Chirping Davey will now be vewwy, vewwy quiet.
    All that is required is for the Saffie coach to show his quicks a video of Gideon Hague and Liz Ellis getting outwaged on Aussie Telly about the howwid Saffies and it will be game over.

  137. DrBeauGan

    nemkat
    #2657861, posted on March 11, 2018 at 8:36 pm
    …the ‘so called’ tells you he is using the word ‘race’ in the popular and not the technical sense.

    This was a formal letter from one Scientist to another., so yes, he was speaking in the ”technical sense”.
    Darwin believed, possibly due to his extensive travels, that there were 15 different Species of Human.
    ”Caucasian” likely covers several of these Species, or Races.

    You seem to think the word race and the word species are interchangeable. This is appalling ignorance. Look up the word species. Wikipedia will serve.

  138. jupes

    No political party in the world has produced so many child r-apists as the ALP.

    In the western world maybe. Otherwise the Taliban or Islamic State might have something to say about that.

  139. It’s not about taboos – which is a sociologically loaded term – but boundaries, bg.

    Boundaries are deeply rooted – no pun intended! – in human culture. They are an attempt to preserve right order in a cosmos that otherwise threatens to dissolve into chaos.

    Indeed. And we can see what eroding such boundaries has achieved with the proud appearance of Troughman in our national broadcaster.

  140. Nick

    Leigh, where’s Roebuck when he’s needed. He’d give the Saafies a good beating.

  141. jupes

    Starc will run through this last batsman.

  142. zyconoclast

    Zyconoclast,good taste forbids me from asking about the ring.

    For some reason, comments have been disabled for the story.

  143. DrBeauGan

    Note, nemkat, that I am assuming, pro tem, that you are merely ignorant rather than being a troll. I am a charitable man, but you are pushing it.

  144. Tom

    You idiot, BeauGan. Did you think you could feed a troll without consequences?

  145. jupes

    The Saffies are putting the Sledgers to the sword.

    Not for much longer.

    Dave Warner will change the game in the second innings.

  146. Jo Smyth

    Jessica Rowe, one of the more left wing, feminist, #metoo supporters to grace the Tele, has decided to quit her job because her girls are at an age were they need their mother at home with them. Very confusing.

  147. overburdened

    I heartily recommend Almost Naked Animals on ABC Me.
    As close to literature as it gets these days.

  148. overburdened

    AMN’s in the literature category.
    I just like GMF&TFF

  149. jupes

    Note, nemkat, that I am assuming, pro tem, that you are merely ignorant rather than being a troll.

    Unfortunately Beaugy, this is the idiot who reckoned that Bill Lawry was a better batsman than Steve Smith.

    Having some cricket knowledge would have engaged your trolldar a lot earlier.

  150. nemkat

    Let’s see how good Smith is by the end of this Tour, expert.

  151. Nick

    Having some cricket knowledge would have engaged your trolldar a lot earlier.

    Beaugy reackons P is legit. Turn it on sir.

  152. overburdened

    BTW hats off to Mr Trump.
    Unveiling Keep America Great as his next election take home following Make America Great is inspired.
    Unless it all goes to hell and then he will be an idiot.
    I wish him well but hey what I think won’t change anything.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2657873, posted on March 11, 2018 at 8:43 pm

    Leigh, where’s Roebuck when he’s needed. He’d give the Saafies a good beating.

    His triple with pike onto the hotel awning scored a 9.5 from the Russian judge.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Jessica Rowe, one of the more left wing, feminist, #metoo supporters to grace the Tele, has decided to quit her job because her girls are at an age were they need their mother at home with them. Very confusing.

    She got the arse.
    She has a new cause de jour every single jour and eventually her hectoring just wore everyone out.
    She is psycho.

  155. nemkat

    Here’s an Oxford Dictionary definition of Race:
    1.4Biology A population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
    ‘people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct’
    From: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/race

    Going on this definition, Dr BeauGan, it would be more correct to say that Charles Darwin believed that there were 15 subspecies of Humans.

  156. Dave in Marybrook

    a DIY version of moving to Canada
    zzzzzzzing!

  157. DrBeauGan

    The trouble is, DB, that some boundaries are eminently defensible and others are not. If you insist on defending the whole lot, you will lose on the unimportant ones and that opens the floodgates to the collapse of the lot. Which is what we are seeing at present.

    We should have welcomed the decriminalisation of homosexuality on grounds of tolerance. We should welcome the principle of being kind to the so-called transgendered. Then we might have nipped in the bud the ludicrous claim that gender is a social construct.

  158. classical_hero

    I wonder what the subtitle of the book “On the Origin of the Species” is?

  159. Eddystone

    A disability pensioner has been hit over the head with a wooden plank

    Should happen to more of the malingering bastards and their “carers” as well.

    Most of the ones I go to with the ambulance are just fat lazy bastards.

  160. Eddystone

    And most of the pricks are younger than me. I’m working so these tossers can sit home smoking dope and eating chips.

  161. DrBeauGan

    Unfortunately Beaugy, this is the idiot who reckoned that Bill Lawry was a better batsman than Steve Smith.

    Having some cricket knowledge would have engaged your trolldar a lot earlier.

    You’re probably right, Jupes, but I feel that only goes to show nemkat is an ignorant fathead. Not the same thing as a troll. Same with P, pretty much. She is clearly rather undiscriminating but that she’s actually a sock I rather doubt.

    There are likely to be young and uninformed people coming to the Çat, and I don’t want them misled about what Darwin believed. I shan’t engage with nemkat again, if he’s not a troll he’s certainly an ignorant nong.

  162. Stimpson J. Cat

    New teenage gang who dress in red bandanas

    Pirate Pete’s jolly pirate crew Confirmed!!!

  163. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    The first duty of a prosecutor, as an officer of the court, is to uphold the rule of law. By withholding exculpatory evidence, these prosecutors failed to do so. A judge should not have to give a prosecutor an order to follow the law.
    — Jim Morhard

    Unless it involves George Pell.

  164. Roger.

    Indeed. And we can see what eroding such boundaries has achieved with the proud appearance of Troughman in our national broadcaster.

    Indeed. Although I had to look up Troughman to get the reference.

    Yes, I’ll take boundaries over license any day, thank you.

  165. nemkat

    Unfortunately Beaugy, this is the idiot who reckoned that Bill Lawry was a better batsman than Steve Smith.Since you weren’t born until after Bill Lawry retired, i can’t see how you can have an opinion on it, and still claim to be a serious commenter, jupes.

    Dr BeauGan: Your hero, Charles Darwin did indeed believe that there were subspecies of Humans, read his Letter to William Graham.
    No amount of weaselling on your part can change that fact.

  166. Stimpson J. Cat

    There are likely to be young and uninformed people coming to the Çat

    I do indeed, my esteemed ancient sane brethren.
    Dumb this sh$t all the way down for me.

    😁

  167. Chris

    And most of the pricks are younger than me. I’m working so these tossers can sit home smoking dope and eating chips

    Sad. Very, very sad.

  168. Stimpson J. Cat

    I don’t feel it is threatened by the odd bloke, very odd, having it off with a sheep or dolphin.

    What about if it was a very weird poster on this very site and it was a Grey Nurse Shark?
    Would that not disgust you to the very core of your BeauGan being?
    If such a person was banned for such conduct I wouldn’t object.
    No sane individual would.

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Should happen to more of the malingering bastards and their “carers” as well.

    Most of the ones I go to with the ambulance are just fat lazy bastards.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are genuine cases, but my favorite was the opportunist, where I used to live in the Western Australian Wheat belt, who applied for the D.S.P. on the grounds of alcohol dependency. After the worst run of drought and dry seasons since the late 1940’s, half the wheatgrowers in the district would have qualified.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    VicPol offering $1 million for information on the murder of Willie Thompson in 2003.
    I smell a rat.
    Rumour has it that one of the two directly involved died in a pool of his own passata in the backroom of an Itie restaurant and the other is in the slot for other murders.
    It is believed that the person who paid for the job died in an unfortunate cycling accident near Geelong in 2010.
    So why the cash jackpot?
    Could the Fatty Faction be looking for (cough) “bad apples” within and are looking to encourage some “recovered memories”.

  171. zyconoclast

    Canada has so many choices of weird women
    Brenda Lucki new commissioner of the RCMP

    Justin Trudeau

    and

    Chrystia Freeland Wants to Fix the Twenty-first Century
    Why Canada’s foreign-affairs minister believes saving NAFTA will help save the world

    “I’m a woman. I’m a wife. I’m a mother. One hundred years ago, I would’ve been beaten by my husband. That’s what happened to pretty much all women.

  172. Nick

    How the flock did this ever get through council ?

  173. overburdened

    Welcome aboard Eddystone

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL SECURITY
    Police act early with youth action meetings to fight Islamic radicalisation

    The Australian
    9:35PM March 11, 2018

    Paul Maley
    NATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR
    Sydney
    @paul_maley

    Islamic State-radicalised teenagers and other troubled kids will be monitored and “case-managed’’ by NSW Police as part of a wide-ranging initiative aimed at keeping vulnerable kids out of jail.

    NSW Police are set to establish a series of super committees across the state to monitor and help young people at risk of serious crime.

    Modelled on a similar program already in place for victims of domestic violence, the so-called “YAMs” — youth action meetings — are aimed at reducing the rate of youth offending by intervening early, before criminal and violent anti-social behaviour spirals out of control.

    Police officers and officials from an array of government departments will sit on the committees, which will be empowered to make quick decisions about how best to manage kids at risk of arrest or jail.

    However, in a move that is likely to be stir controversy The Australian has been told that young people at risk of Islamic radicalisation are also likely be dealt with by the YAM

    Despite millions of dollars being spent, counter-radicalisation strategies aimed at diverting young people from radical Islam have a dismal rate of success. Programs run by the police are particularly problematic due to the reluctance of parents, teachers and youth workers to refer wayward kids to law enforcement for fear they could be charged.

    Some officials contacted by The Australian fear the YAMs may suffer a similar problem and there is already concern in some government departments about how the programs might operate.

    From the Oz. Youth action meetings. That’ll show Mo just how ruthless Australia will be.

    Too. Stupid. To. Survive.

  175. John Constantine

    The good old days of the Victorian gangland wars, when the crims mostly invaded each others homes.

    Pity the unfortunate cyclist met such a surprisingly brutal end under the gaze of a dozen cameras, while locked away in the States most secure facility.

    Just when he was starting to sing like a well trained canary.

    Vicpol wouldn’t have to offer million dollar rewards if their underworld informers didn’t keep brutally beating themselves to suicide.

    In custody.

    Comrades.

  176. overburdened

    and

    Chrystia Freeland Wants to Fix the Twenty-first Century
    Why Canada’s foreign-affairs minister believes saving NAFTA will help save the world

    “I’m a woman. I’m a wife. I’m a mother. One hundred years ago, I would’ve been beaten by my husband. That’s what happened to pretty much all women.

    In spite of being a kindly soul that has treated my wife and other sheilas with respect and never I raised a hand to my children, I would gladly slap this one

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mehta is a well spoken and mild mannered psychology professor who has expressed an interest in seeing more than one perspective explored while problem solving.

    Mmm. Just don’t try it on Catallaxy………

  178. Vic in Prossy

    Steve Smith spits too much.

  179. Pedro,

    Default position for all “welcome to country” bullshit is to walk out while the drivel is being spouted.

    Old mate was particularly annoyed at one function and pulled out his phone and his Galaxy Notepad thingy.
    He rang me and gave a step by step report on the goings on while filming it on the Galaxy thingy.
    Made particular mention – volubly – of how hot the poor bugger must have been in the roo skins.
    He was suddenly disconnected during the process, but I heard on the nurseweb that he didn’t buy a beer that night.

  180. John Constantine

    We must obviously import as many ISIS veterans as possible, so mo and his youthful cousins can see Australia is down with the caliphate, and no violent action is required to topple the racist settler outpost, as we will suicide ourselves as unfit to survive as a culture.

    Importing as many unemployable, single,military age musselmen as we can is our strength.

    Comrades.

  181. overburdened

    candidate for the Overburdened Attitude Re-Orientation Program.
    She would get the Domestic Package

  182. Leigh Lowe

    “I’m a woman. I’m a wife. I’m a mother. One hundred years ago, I would’ve been beaten by my husband. That’s what happened to pretty much all women.

    One hundred years ago men of the Empire were coming to the end of a four year war.
    Many died and many more were horribly wounded, or had to stoically live with what was then “shell-shock” or PTSD as it is now known for the rest of their lives.
    So, with great respect, Minister, you can go fuck yourself with a beer bottle.

  183. We should have welcomed the decriminalisation of homosexuality on grounds of tolerance. We should welcome the principle of being kind to the so-called transgendered. Then we might have nipped in the bud the ludicrous claim that gender is a social construct.

    But we did both those things and in turn we have been told that buggery is as normal as intercourse and that people that believe that their gender is other than that reflected by their bodies are not suffering any sort of mental pathology and that anyone that thinks otherwise is.

  184. overburdened

    I think it’s great when someone is an expert.

    Noel Pearson

    Leaders have failed to maintain the distinction between genuine conservatism and bigotry. John Howard only deferred this crisis.

  185. classical_hero

    The only way to de-radicalise a Muslim is to make them an ex-Muslim.

  186. overburdened

    LL
    you accept her statement by your justification.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The only way to de-radicalise a Muslim is to make them an ex-Muslim.

    I’d sub contract the de – radicalization programme to the Russians. I’m sure they’ve a spare gulag they could reactivate.

  188. Fisky

    Despite millions of dollars being spent, counter-radicalisation strategies aimed at diverting young people from radical Islam have a dismal rate of success. Programs run by the police are particularly problematic due to the reluctance of parents, teachers and youth workers to refer wayward kids to law enforcement for fear they could be charged.

    You can’t persuade someone away from an ideology without launching a full attack on said ideology and discrediting it in the mind of your subject. Which no “deradicalisation” program would ever do. Instead, they actually justify the underlying ideology while trying to entice the youths not to act it out violently. So, yes, you can hate non-Muslims and seek to create an oppressive caliphate that keeps them down, but don’t blow anyone up before you get there.

    That’s obviously a very problematic message, but it’s par for the course of any “deradicalisation” program.

  189. nemkat

    Steve Smith is lucky the site Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians got ”disappeared”.

  190. Infidel Tiger

    We should have welcomed the decriminalisation of homosexuality on grounds of tolerance. We should welcome the principle of being kind to the so-called transgendered. Then we might have nipped in the bud the ludicrous claim that gender is a social construct.

    Really bad take Doc.

    In fact the history of the world shows that ge worse you freaks and fags the less you hear from them. Ain’t no gender problems in the Mid East, Africa etc.

  191. Gab

    Despite millions of dollars being spent, counter-radicalisation strategies aimed at diverting young people from radical Islam have a dismal rate of success.

    Gosh, what a surprise. If only someone could have predicted that result. #sarc

  192. notafan

    Plus LL how would she know, did she ask them all?

  193. Infidel Tiger

    Worse you treat.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    overburdened

    #2657933, posted on March 11, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    LL
    you accept her statement by your justification

    Not sure where you get that from.
    I was talking about how the men of that generation suffered through a World War.
    She was saying they were ALL wifebeaters.

  195. notafan

    Indeed many would have been too sick to be wife beating.

  196. John Constantine

    “The Democratic Republic of Congo has moved to increase taxes on mining firms and increase government royalties from the industry despite fierce opposition from international mining companies.
    President Joseph Kabila signed a new mining code into law on Friday.
    The country is Africa’s biggest producer of copper and cobalt, a vital component in mobile phone batteries.
    Foreign mining firms strongly opposed the law, saying their operations in DR Congo would stop being profitable.
    Several chief executives flew to the Congolese capital Kinshasa this week in the hopes of persuading Mr Kabila to change his mind.
    They argued that the legislation would deter future investment and violate existing agreements, reported Reuters news agency.
    The government however has agreed to consider their concerns on a case by case basis, and work with them in executing the new code.
    DR Congo has talked for years about changing its 2002 mining code, which it believed put too many profits in the hands of foreign companies, says BBC World Service Africa editor Mary Harper.
    Image copyright Getty Images
    Image caption DR Congo’s resources have been a catalyst for past conflict
    Its mining industry – which also produces diamond, tantalum, tin and gold – is the country’s largest source of export income.
    The law, which was passed by parliament in January, will double government royalties on all minerals.
    The impoverished yet mineral-rich nation provides more than 60% of the world’s cobalt. Prices for it more than doubled last year thanks to an increased demand for electric cars, which require cobalt for batteries.
    Royalties on cobalt could also more than quadruple if the government labels it a “strategic substance”.

  197. Pedro the Ignorant

    The organisers of the annual Kalgoorlie Diggers and Dealers mining conference in August last year had a bunfight with some bozo who wanted 30 minutes for a “welcome to country” spiel to delegates.

    The D&D is jam packed with presentations, industry exhibitions and speakers on all facets of mining and costs over $1500 per delegate to attend, time is precious.

    The indigine was bargained down to 10 minutes of babble at the opening of the first day, which about half the attendees decided was just enough time to get a flat white and smoke a durry in the street.

    Mining people have sensitive BS radar.

  198. John Constantine

    Africa wins again.

    AWA.

    Whenever you leaf idly through a prospectus boasting truly bonanza grades of copper and cobalt, near surface and widespread, but it is in the African copper belt:

    Leave it to the Chinese and go drink your risk capital instead.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    John Constantine

    #2657946, posted on March 11, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    “The Democratic Republic of Congo has moved to increase taxes on mining firms and increase government royalties from the industry despite fierce opposition from international mining companies.

    In terms of sovereign risk for foreign miners, where does DR Congo sit as against Venestralia?

  200. candy

    Tim Wilson’s husband is wearing a suit and tie at their wedding but no socks.

    Good shoes but no socks. Just bare feet in some kind of expensive looking shoes. How weird is that, at his own wedding.

  201. Rae
    #2657826, posted on March 11, 2018 at 7:46 pm
    …to claim that dolphins (or porpoises) waved their arms (fins)…

    That’s not what I wrote.
    The claim was that the dolphins only appeared after a group of aboriginals stomped their feet.

  202. Leigh Lowe

    Good shoes but no socks. Just bare feet in some kind of expensive looking shoes. How weird is that, at his own wedding.

    Two blokes get married and you reckon the absence of socks is the weird thing?

  203. nemkat

    Indeed many would have been too sick to be wife beating.
    It’s hard to bash the missus when your laid up in a Repat Hospital, as 39,000 were by 1926.
    Never the less, blokes who’d just spent 2 and a half years living in a trench while trying to stay alive probably weren’t best placed to handle lippy Australian women.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    It is the oversupply of cocks, not the shortage of socks, that is the main issue.

  205. John Constantine

    The Congelese haven’t started dynamiting their own power stations at the behest of political donors yet, or draining their irrigation districts or mass importing jihadis fresh from the corpsebrothels and childbride slavemarkets of the middle east, so they obviously have a way to go before foreign bribe investors can find them as reliably corrupt as Australias self-loathing quisling orc class.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    jupes

    #2657878, posted on March 11, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    The Saffies are putting the Sledgers to the sword.

    Not for much longer.

    Dave Warner will change the game in the second innings.

    Not with the bat he won’t.
    Does he bowl?

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    Two blokes get married and you reckon the absence of socks is the weird thing?

    I think we can all agree that an absence of socks would be a good thing.

  208. DrBeauGan

    Really bad take Doc.

    In fact the history of the world shows that the worse you freaks and fags the less you hear from them. Ain’t no gender problems in the Mid East, Africa etc.

    I take your point, IT. But the weakness of a moral society as opposed to a taboo oriented one is that the morally indefensible is attacked first, and the moral people go along with it. Example: a taboo against abortion under any circumstances whatever can be attacked legitimately on the moral grounds that although it is always bad, sometimes the alternative is worse. People with a genuine moral sense can see this and are willing to break the taboo. Unfortunately the old taboo is then replaced by another opposite one called female body autonomy which says you can kill an unborn child if it threatens your convenience. The moral people will oppose this too, but it takes time to change a taboo.

    There’s no way we are going to throw poofs off tall buildings until the muzzies take over. What we should do is make it clear that they are twisted sickos and we find what they get up to disgusting. Likewise the transgendered. They can’t help being what they are, and we can’t help finding them repulsive. But we shall tolerate them as long as they don’t annoy us too much.

  209. Dave in Marybrook

    I suppose now would be a good time to relay my thoughts after being Welcome To Country’d twice in a single week, after dodging it for four decades.
    But I can’t be stuffed. It’s a school night.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I suppose now would be a good time to relay my thoughts after being Welcome To Country’d twice in a single week, after dodging it for four decades.

    “Welcome to Country” before the Anzac Day service a few years ago was the last straw. It’s a joke.

  211. Example: a taboo against abortion under any circumstances whatever can be attacked legitimately on the moral grounds that although it is always bad, sometimes the alternative is worse.

    What and why is the thing that is worse not itself a taboo?

  212. nemkat

    There’s no way we are going to throw poofs off tall buildings until the muzzies take over. What we should do is make it clear that they are twisted sickos and we find w

    You’ve got it arse backwards.
    Same sex attracted people were always tolerated, but for a few of these people, that wasn’t good enough.
    Projection works on a mass scale too, that’s what’s been happening the last 45 years.

  213. Candy

    The SSM marriage is legal so keep my thoughts to self now but a chap should wear socks with his formal shoes.

  214. Rae

    Rae #2657826, posted on March 11, 2018 at 7:46 pm
    …to claim that dolphins (or porpoises) waved their arms (fins)…

    That’s not what I wrote.
    The claim was that the dolphins only appeared after a group of aboriginals stomped their feet.

    Old man, if you want to split hairs about what I say, try to get your facts right first. Here is what you said:

    She finished with a story of a group of aboriginals recently who stomped their feet on the beach they were at and lo and behold dolphins rose to the surface and “waved their arms at us.”

    See how I bolded the relevant bit for you? Wasn’t that kind of me? Of course it was.

    Your not a notafan clone are you?

  215. DrBeauGan

    What and why is the thing that is worse not itself a taboo?

    Taboos are general rules, for which human beans have a great affection. The conscience works on fairly specific concrete cases. Calli has one, and has said that sometimes it just says NO. With the reservation that mine doesn’t actually talk in English, I know exactly what she means.

    There could be cases where mine would sanction an abortion. It’s not something I would take lightly, but I can see that it could happen. In such a case I would do what I thought right, even in the days when it was a taboo. There are an infinite set of such cases and only a finite number of taboos.

  216. EvilElvis

    What about if it was a very weird poster on this very site and it was a Grey Nurse Shark?
    Would that not disgust you to the very core of your BeauGan being?
    If such a person was banned for such conduct I wouldn’t object.
    No sane individual would.

    Ok…

    Blow up pool back in the garage you go…

  217. DrBeauGan

    There is an infinite set…

  218. pete m

    Two cocks with no socks
    But we dare not mock
    For the Lord and His clock
    Awaits, tick tock.

  219. pete m

    Candy, the fact something is legal does not mean debate or discussion is over.

  220. C.L.

    “I’m a woman. I’m a wife. I’m a mother. One hundred years ago, I would’ve been beaten by my husband.”

    He probably wants to beat you now.

  221. C.L.

    Example: a taboo against abortion under any circumstances whatever can be attacked legitimately on the moral grounds that although it is always bad, sometimes the alternative is worse.

    The alternative is never worse. So there are no such moral grounds.

  222. DrBeauGan

    Candy, the fact something is legal does not mean debate or discussion is over.

    It’s a bad law. I have it on high authority that we should ignore it. So I do.

  223. DrBeauGan

    The alternative is never worse. So there are no such moral grounds.

    Do you mean that you can’t imagine one, CL? Or that you are convinced there can’t possibly be one? The former is a failure of your imagination, the latter is theological. Not everyone finds theological arguments compelling.

  224. CL;

    The alternative is never worse. So there are no such moral grounds.

    With all due respect, CL, a fallopian tube implantation leads to the death of the mother via rupture and haemorrhage. Then the foetus dies.
    There’s a moral ground.

  225. DrBeauGan

    With all due respect, CL, a fallopian tube implantation leads to the death of the mother via rupture and haemorrhage. Then the foetus dies.
    There’s a moral ground.

    Quite so, Winston.

  226. Siltstone

    Dave in Marybrook
    #2657966, posted on March 11, 2018 at 10:38 pm
    I suppose now would be a good time to relay my thoughts after being Welcome To Country’d twice in a single week, after dodging it for four decades

    I am lucky enough to be invited to speak now and again at social functions. I get a huge positive response to the following opening. First, I say I want to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the the “insert current place” we happen to be. More than few eyes roll. Then I say, “I pay my respects to Mr/Mrs XYZ who built this pub/developed this suburb in 19XX”. The crowd get it completely and love it. I say this in front of my part-Aboriginal niece and nephew. It is the least I can do for them, less they end up just another self-proclaimed victim.

  227. Fisky

    The alternative is never worse. So there are no such moral grounds.

    For the thousands of woman raped by Muslim “migrants”, abortion should not just be an option, but mandatory in all circumstances.

  228. DrBeauGan

    Fisky
    #2657998, posted on March 11, 2018 at 11:40 pm
    The alternative is never worse. So there are no such moral grounds.

    For the thousands of woman raped by Muslim “migrants”, abortion should not just be an option, but mandatory in all circumstances.

    I don’t think it should be mandatory, Fisky, but you have at least as good a case as CL.

  229. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I am lucky enough to be invited to speak now and again at social functions. I get a huge positive response to the following opening. First, I say I want to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the the “insert current place” we happen to be

    When all the “traditional owners” bollocks first started, the next generation – my nephew and niece, who I was looking after at the time -came home from school, rather confused – the school had decided that, henceforth, they would be acknowledging the “traditional owners” of the land.

    “Well, you great grandfather was one of the pioneers of this district, and he always claimed “Nothing. No campsites, no middens, no skeletons, no bones, no cave paintings. Nothing. Nothing to indicate that mine weren’t the first footprints on this part of the Earth. Nothing.”.”

    That wasn’t the answer the school wanted.

  230. Dave in Marybrook

    My WtC’s were quite instructive, and the contrasts between the two- one by an old bird I’ve known for yonks, the other by her award-winning cultural-service business-running great-nephew- are a thing of wonder.
    But I’ll type it out on full, with my thoughts as time dragged through the young bloke’s epic package.

    In the meantime, assembly tomoz at primary school. I’m dreading seeing the growing resentment in the face of my young kid’s playmate who is pushed to the mic for the majority of class performance occasions, but is tellingly let off the hook academically and socially. I can see the resentment growing to the stage where she’ll put herself apart from the school culture at large.

  231. C.L.

    With all due respect, CL, a fallopian tube implantation leads to the death of the mother via rupture and haemorrhage. Then the foetus dies.

    And?
    That’s not worse than killing somebody.

    Try again.

  232. Fisky

    And?
    That’s not worse than killing somebody.
    Try again.

    This is the pro-life equivalent of the libertarian open borders debacle – if your ideology actively interferes with your goals, then it is your ideology that is at fault and needs to be abandoned.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Fisk, your friend Iampy is having a breakdown on the other friend.

    Libautism is a truly debilitating affliction.

  234. Infidel Tiger

    With all due respect, CL, a fallopian tube implantation leads to the death of the mother via rupture and haemorrhage. Then the foetus dies.

    If we limited abortion to this scenario, there would be less than a 10000 abortions a year.

  235. C.L.

    My goal is to ensure nobody is licensed to kill any unborn children.
    Ensuring unborn children are not killed hardly interferes with the goal of not killing them.
    Your analogy with open borders doesn’t make any sense.

    In fact, opens borders proponents argue that just a little bit of Islam, a few ISIS wives, a couple of hundred African gang-members and a few disgruntled Lebanese are no risk to the nation.

    That’s like saying abortion is bad except for all of these categories that sometimes make it good.

    This comes as no surprise, of course, because the leftist ‘hard case’ distraction squirrel-wranglers in the abortion debate are the same leftist ‘hard case’ distraction squirrel-wranglers in the borders debate.

  236. C.L.

    What exactly is a “commitment ceremony” and why couldn’t Karl Stefanovic have his at a registry office or a chapel ‘o love somewhere? Why is this man always loitering in somebody else’s mansion?

  237. Dave in Marybrook

    Just saw an ad wherein a foxy newsreader in a fictitious situation at a fictitious restaurant lectures her hip family about low wage growth, rising cost of living, the increased supply of housing and the inexplicable rise in the cost of housing. She sure socks it to ’em, then does a don’t-argue replacement of her earbuds.
    It was an ad for an open immigration command economy, obviously.
    Just joking! It was an ad for SBS news. Or smartphones. Or the dangers of living in an echo chamber, instead of talking to and validating the possibly aberrant opinions of your multi-generational family or a nearby small business operator. Or something. Im fact, I’m not sure what it was for, but it was a zingin’ takedown an acting tour-de-force by a six-figure newsreader!

  238. Fisky

    My goal is to ensure nobody is licensed to kill any unborn children

    Oh? I thought your goal was to protect human life. That’s why i was confused when you were prepared to sacrifice two lives – both the mother and her stricken foetus – rather than just one.

  239. And?
    That’s not worse than killing somebody.

    Try again.

    Mother: I have an ectopic pregnancy! I will die and my baby will die if you don’t give me an abortion!
    Doctor CL: And? *walks out*
    Mother and baby: *die*
    Doctor CL (walking away): At least I didn’t kill anyone.
    FIN

  240. C.L.

    Here we go … Never waste a good crisis – even a phony one …
    HRC wants no statute of limitations (so to speak) on sexual ‘harassment’ claims …
    Have a guess who is supporting it:

    Australia’s 30-year-old sexual harassment laws have “real gaps”.

    Women seeking justice after experiencing sexual harassment in the workplace are confronted by a “flawed”, outdated legal regime, lawyers warn.

    Amid a surge in attention on the issue in the wake of the #metoo movement experts say say there are “real gaps” in the federal laws surrounding sexual harassment in the workplace.

    A particular problem is the six-month time-limit to lodge complaints with the Australian Human Rights Commission, they say.

    It is a situation that has prompted Australia’s sex discrimination commissioner, Kate Jenkins, to call for the nation’s 30-year-old federal sexual harassment laws to be revisited to meet the rise in the number of women in the workplace and changing community expectations.

    Have a guess who is supporting it:

    The call was backed by shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus … Christie Toy, senior solicitor at Shine Lawyers‘ employment law practice, said … Leading workplace lawyer Josh Bornstein, principal at Maurice Blackburn said …

  241. C.L.

    The HRC – and its collaborators in the ambulance-chasing legal fraternity – now want to make it possible for somebody to bring lucrative ‘harassment’ charges against somebody from 30 years ago.

    When I was working in the terry towelling hat industry in 1971, my boss pinched my bum.

    That sort of thing.

  242. C.L.

    Mother: I have an ectopic pregnancy! I will die and my baby will die if you don’t give me an abortion!

    What an odd thing to do, including the baby in the scenario to add moral tension.
    You are, after all, demanding the baby be deliberately killed.
    But let’s say the pregnant mother has catastrophic aortic cancer rather an ectopic pregnancy …
    ‘I will die if you don’t give me that man’s heart!’
    Same doctor: No.

  243. CL, are you thick? Ectopic pregnancies are real. Mothers and doctors face that decision in real life.

    Of course you avoid it because you have no sane moral answer to that woman. You would rather she die.

  244. CL;

    And?
    That’s not worse than killing somebody.

    Try again.

    If my point isn’t obvious to you, CL, I can’t explain it any more precisely other than in the real world, sometimes the decision is between worse and worser.
    On one hand you have a dead foetus, the other holds a dead mother and a dead foetus.
    What’s your decision?

  245. C.L.

    Ectopic pregnancies are real.

    So is catastrophic aortic cancer.
    Tell the mother why the doctor can’t give her the heart of the dude in for a knee-op in the next room.
    GO!

    I’m old enough to remember “abortion on demand.” Science has now destroyed that slogan, that mentality. Ultrasounds, premmie medicine, the public’s revulsion at Obama-supported late-term homicides and “post-birth abortion,” the prosecution of abortion clinic serial killers – all have coalesced to destroy “abortion on demand.” So what are Roe-Wade zombies reduced to nowadays? Ectopic pregnancies and 12 year-old rape victims in Guatemala. These are the hard cases upon which they re-build their bad law. Two things to note regarding this boilerplate squirrelism (spoiler alerts): 1) they don’t care about the mother with the ectopic pregnancy and they don’t care about the 12 year-old in Guatemala. They care about ‘winning’ against Christian pro-lifers – for malevolent ideological and partisan reasons. And they’re not winning. They’re losing.

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