Wednesday Forum: May 23, 2018

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  1. calli

    Stephen was killed in 36AD. A pretty quick turnaround indeed. The eye witnesses tended to stick to their guns to the end.

  2. Stimpson J. Cat

    Harvey Weinstein and Roman Polanski are obviously outliers who in no way represent J$wish activity in Hollywood.

  3. nemkat

    Geimer has said she never forgave her mother for calling the cops on Polanski, so maybe Whoopi Goldberg’s comment had some substance.

  4. v_maet

    Interesting that they are willing to let Craig Kelly get booted through preselection of the NSW Lib Parrty vice president (who coincidently used to be a labor aligned mayor)

  5. Roger

    I am of course talking about the years after his death, when the various pages of his story that make up the New Testament of the Bible were written.

    Yes, and my point is that the beliefs about Jesus expressed in those writings go back to the sayings and claims of Jesus himself. Those teachings would not – could not – have been concocted by a bunch of Galilean peasants and one particularly zealous Pharisee (Saul/Paul) who was originally involved in persecuting the movement. Further, the claims made by Jesus were prefigured in the Old Testament. The so-called quest(s) for the historical Jesus of the last hundred years or so have yielded many explanations for the phenomenon of Jesus and early Christianity but none of them have proved compelling, such that even one of the leading exponents of the quest, John Dominic Crossan, labelled most of the works produced by the movement as autobiographies of the authors rather than biographies of the historical Jesus!

  6. egg_

    Ms Higgins said the ABC was battling spiralling costs and that the organisation’s 4000 employees were its biggest expense, accounting for half of its $1bn budget.

    Cull! Cull! Cull!

  7. Mitch M.

    Salt is likely to be the problem. Massive amounts of salt in bought Indian food. Causes fluid retention and aggravates rheumatoid arthritis in the joints.

    Interesting idea because a few weeks ago a study highlighted how a high salt diet can increase the expression of the “autoimmune cytokine”, il-17, in the gut, which has obvious implications for inflammation across the whole body. Autistics also express high levels of il-17 and gut issues are common there as well as an elevated autoimmune risk.

    https://multiplesclerosisnewstoday.com/2018/01/18/ms-mouse-study-shows-that-excessive-salt-consumption-leads-to-dementia/

    New research shows how a high-salt diet leads to excessive levels of interleukin-17 (IL-17) in multiple sclerosis (MS) patients, causing changes in endothelial cells that result in dementia.

    These findings suggest that therapeutics targeting IL-17 may help halt the neurovascular damages of MS and other autoimmune diseases linked to high levels of IL-17.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201801/excess-dietary-salt-can-impair-cognition-gut-brain-axis
    Iadecola and colleagues also discovered that mice who were consuming a high-salt diet developed an adaptive immune response in their guts. This response was marked by an uptick in the activity of immune cells that regulate inflammatory responses. More specifically, excessive dietary salt caused an expansion of TH17 cells in the small intestine, which resulted in a significant increase of plasma interleukin-17 (IL-17).

  8. calli

    For those who are interested, Luke recorded Stephen’s address to his killers in Acts 7 (the second part of Luke’s history of the Christ and his church).

  9. Percy Popinjay

    the organisation’s 4000 employees were its biggest expense

    As well as its biggest liability.

  10. DrBeauGan

    Where the f$ck is Rabz?
    This is outrageous.

    Haven’t you worked it out yet, stimpo?

  11. egg_

    Ms Higgins said the ABC was battling spiralling costs and that the organisation’s 4000 employees were its biggest expense, accounting for half of its $1bn budget.

    Their Air Bair Cair Senate Estimates Committee deserves its own fred.

  12. cohenite

    Cohenite, thankfully your 1.08pm link on the size of Stormy’s puppies doesn’t work.

    Oh. No matter, if you’ve seen one porn star’s D cups, I guess you’ve seen them all.

  13. Slayer of Memes

    So SH-Y can’t even get the facts of what Australia Day is actually about correct and blames ‘a staffer’ for putting out the press release that she admits she didn’t read beforehand… But then again, she was only a bank-teller before politics.

    South Australians would be better represented by the ATM that replaced her…

  14. The Beer Whisperer

    The TDS ran deep, my friends:

    West Hollywood to present Stormy Daniels with key to city

    Of course they would. Stormy Daniels is less perverted than the rest of them.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I always remember that the apostles, almost without exception, were prepared to die proclaiming that Jesus rose from the dead.
    Nothing blind about their faith.

    I agree that Christian traditions offer material that many could regard as evidential.
    I was using ‘blind faith’ from an outsider’s perspective only, in that all faith is blind, by definition.
    It wouldn’t be ‘faith’ otherwise, as I see ‘faith’, but maybe not as believers see it.
    I was not trying to upset or denigrate Roger’s (or anyone’s) beliefs; quite the opposite, in fact.

  16. EvilElvis

    Where the f$ck is Rabz?
    This is outrageous.

    There’s so much ammunition in any of these stupid bloody estimates hearings it’s beyond a joke. Someone, anyone, just get up and smash these pompous, self righteous public servants and their mates defending them at estimates. They’re all CEOd to the hilt and have more layers of management than you can shake a stick at so fucking do the hard yards and start sacking people you pretentious, tax hoovering, Cert IV junkee fucks.

  17. EvilElvis

    This gets my goat up. And not in the weird Muslim sex sense.

  18. Roger

    I was not trying to upset or denigrate Roger’s (or anyone’s) beliefs; quite the opposite, in fact.

    No offence taken, Lizzie.

  19. Tel

    Of course they would. Stormy Daniels is less perverted than the rest of them.

    Give it a year or two. She’ll get there.

  20. Ubique

    What did the Centurion say when Jesus took his last breath?

    What did Jesus say to the inhabitants when he visited the Antipodes?

    “Now, don’t do anything until I get back.”

  21. Snoopy

    Turnbull has to try and save Sudmalis. She sits in the coveted one out, one back possie. She’d be missed during QT.

  22. Mark from Melbourne

    Just back from 10 days in Vanuatu.

    The level of resentment of the Chinese muscling in and building things nobody thinks much of is surprisingly high… from business right down to the blokes who drive the ubiquitous “buses” (actually, mini-busses which act as a cross between bus and cab).

    Also interesting that Aussie aid money is building things like better drainage. More useful, but darn hard for the populace to see.

    We could do a lot there with very little more actual cash but better PR. If we don’t, the Chicoms will roll right over it.

    Oh, and weather beautiful!

  23. calli

    Wht Can’t a Woman be More Like a Man?

    Interesting article over at Quillette. The last line is the kicker, as usual.

  24. zyconoclast

    johanna
    #2718651, posted on May 24, 2018 at 6:29 am
    Oh, and finally someone in British Labour has taken the cow by the horns:

    A middle-aged man with a beard has been accepted to stand for a woman-only position in a local Labour Party branch because he “identifies” as female for a few hours a day once a week.

    With wig

    With beard

  25. The Beer Whisperer

    why is Julie Bishop not assisting this Australian citizen

    And what, if any, assistance is she providing for Dr Ken Elliot?

    But I guess there’s no glamour in working for the little people.

    Thanks for the post, Tinta.

    Unless you’re putting part of your country on the table, no canapés for you!

  26. calli

    I was not trying to upset or denigrate Roger’s (or anyone’s) beliefs; quite the opposite, in fact.

    No worries. My armour plating is the best in the business. And we all share the same tailor. ⚔️ 😃

  27. Snoopy

    The level of resentment of the Chinese muscling in and building things nobody thinks much of is surprisingly high…

    Are they using ChiCom labour, Mark?

  28. max

    P
    #2718807, posted on May 24, 2018 at 10:25 am
    The Conversion of Malcolm Muggeridge

    P, I visited his grave and sent up a few prayers at the beautiful Church of St Mary Magdalene in Sussex a few years ago. Kitty is beside him.

    He was a big influence: courageous, shrewd, a wonderful writer. Loved his autobiography. One of the funniest ever.
    Richard Ingrams wrote God’s Apology about his friendship with Hugh Kingsmill and Hesketh Pearson. (“Friends are God’s apology for relations”: Chesterton). Lots of entertainment there.

  29. Slayer of Memes

    How narratives work in mUnty-land…

    mUnty in 2017: “Trump is crazy for thinking he is getting spied on, and all you RWNJs are crazy for believing him…”

    mUnty in 2018: “Of course the FBI spied on Trump. They were doing it to ‘help and protect’ him, and all you RWNJs are crazy for thinking that it was for any other reason…”

  30. Slayer of Memes

    Of course the real question is:

    If the FBI was only spying on Trump to ‘help and protect him’ against Russian interference, why didn’t they have anyone inside the Clinton campaign (or indeed, have anyone inspect the DNC servers which the Russians ‘hacked’)…??

  31. egg_

    the coveted one out, one back possie.

    Both sides seem to be adopting KRudd’s technique of one of the more attractive wymminses in the background shot during QT – who says we’re not encouraging wymminses in Parliament – just reduce the Frightbat gal quoda.

  32. Snoopy

    How narratives work in mUnty-land…

    mUnty in February 2018: “Mueller indicts Russians! Collusion confirmed! Trump is gorn! It’s only a matter of time. Tick, tock”

    mUnty in May 2018: Drives by, tosses dead squirrel out the window.

  33. zyconoclast

    So they escape to the UK before/during/after bad things happen in Germany now they want to go back because…

    Descendants of J3wish refugees seek German citizenship after Brexit vote (2016)

    German authorities have reported a twentyfold increase in the number of restored citizenship applications – a right reserved for anybody who was persecuted on political, racial or religious grounds during the Nazi dictatorship, as well as, in many cases, their descendants.

    About 400 applications from the UK are being processed by the authorities and 100 further inquiries that will “very probably” lead to applications are in the pipeline, it is understood. The usual annual figure is about 25.

  34. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I always remember that the apostles, almost without exception, were prepared to die proclaiming that Jesus rose from the dead.

    wow, how old are you?

  35. Tel

    Interesting article over at Quillette. The last line is the kicker, as usual.

    No, the egalitarian left don’t actually care about the science. You forget that rape gangs could operates systematically for decades in places like Rotherham and almost certainly still do operate in various other places and the “egalitarian left” were not bothered in the least. Some microscopic difference in brain size is trivial compared to what was and is happening to kids over there. No feminists jumped up and got emotional over it, no leftists started with “think of the children”, they just don’t care.

    Narrative can always beat consequences when you simply ignore the consequences and force people to shut up. Indeed, bigger divergence between narrative and measurable outcomes is useful to them, simply BECAUSE the objective is to force all the sensible people to shut up, and BECAUSE by design they bait these identity groups into demanding what is unobtainable. That’s where the leftist power comes from. In Sweden it’s now illegal to point out any problems, hey that’s more power grabbed by government… opportunity! They never let a crisis go to waste.

  36. Viva

    It just goes to show how totalitarian the Left is that it seeks to quash a modest program with a few scholarships. What are they so scared of?

    When the immune system identifies a foreign body it goes all out to attack and destroy it. Same principle here. The Ramsey Centre may be set to go the way of the Bjorn Lomborg think tank.

  37. zyconoclast

    Britons are rushing to become German citizens before their country leaves the European Union. More than 10 times as many Britons became German citizens in 2017 than in 2015.

    A total of 112,200 foreigners were granted German citizenship in 2017, the most since 2013 and a 1.7-percent increase on the previous year.

    The largest contingent of foreign naturalizations came from Turkey (14,984), followed by Britain, Poland (6,613), Italy (4,256) and Romania (4,238).

    “These are mainly people who were expatriated during the National Socialist era and their descendants,” the office explained.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can I just say that the biggest threat facing Catholicism, apart from having a Satanic Hippy Commie Refugee Foot Fetishist Pope, is that for the past twenty years Catholics persist in hiring blind f$cking architects to design their places of worship.
    Honestly they are just monuments to hideousity.

  39. notafan

    in that all faith is blind, by definition.

    no, it isn’t

    We have faith in people we trust, not blind.

    Even the dictionary says

    Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

    Conviction based on reason, not nothing at all, which is the implication of blind, otherwise the word faith cannot stand on it’s own, can it?

  40. zyconoclast

    Trump isn’t pushing hard for this one popular way to curb illegal immigration

    In President Trump’s many vocal pronouncements about stopping illegal immigration, one solution he promoted during the campaign has been conspicuously missing — a requirement that employers check whether workers are legal.

    Eight states require nearly all employers to use the federal government’s online E-Verify tool for new hires, but efforts to expand the mandate to all states have stalled, despite polls showing widespread support and studies showing that it reduces unauthorized workers.

    The campaign for a national mandate has withered amid what appears to be a more pressing problem — a historic labor shortage that has businesses across the country desperate for workers at restaurants, on farms and in other low-wage jobs.

    The urgency around that shortage was clear at a congressional hearing last week when senators pressed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on additional visas for seasonal foreign workers.

    “There’s not one manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, not one dairy farm, not one resort that can hire enough people,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

    With the unemployment rate at a 17-year low and the Trump administration cracking down on foreign workers, lawmakers are reluctant to champion a measure that could exacerbate the labor shortage and hurt business constituents — even one that is popular among a broad swath of Americans.

    House Republicans are forging ahead with a debate over the future of young undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, but the fate of an E-Verify provision remains in limbo.

    Despite his administration’s “Hire American” stance, Trump and the GOP leadership have gone quiet on mandating E-Verify, draining momentum from a top policy goal of grass-roots Republicans.

  41. calli

    Narrative can always beat consequences when you simply ignore the consequences and force people to shut up.

    That’s a Liberty Quote if ever there was one.

    I thought the example of Lady Gaga was interesting. In the end it comes down to preference, not quotas. Unless you’re a pushy, talentless XX.

  42. zyconoclast

    Immigration showdown puts Ryan’s job in peril

    A group of moderates frustrated with the lack of action to protect Dreamers from deportation is expected to collect enough signatures to force bipartisan immigration votes in the coming days, according to lawmakers and aides tracking the effort. And conservatives who oppose those bills are threatening to hold Republican leaders — starting with Ryan — responsible if they don’t stop it.

  43. Geriatric mayfly

    Out with the snips and tweezers for a makeover.
    From Pseuds Corner Private Eye.
    This event aims to gather stories and ideas to co-design and formulate a new taxonomy of the eyebrow where none currently exists. We want to open up a city-wide conversation around why the eyebrow is a highly resonant marker of identity and its relationship to gender, class, race and sexuality.
    Liverpool. Manchester and Edge Hill Universities.

  44. Mark from Melbourne

    Are they using ChiCom labour, Mark?

    So far as I could ascertain, all the design and what have you, plus most of the management-level stuff to a low level, is Chinese.

  45. Cactus

    Have our global and local institutions always been so corrupt? Or am I getting older and wiser? The whole spying on Trump thing, the throwing out of the court case for Ralph Blewitt, the run dead on Shorten investigation but the Get Pell thing. Is Justice something that doesn’t really exist when you are in a union, or have connections? It just seems sometimes its awfully unfair and the law doesn’t really apply and any safeguards against abuses don’t really seem to be working.

  46. zyconoclast

    Anti-immigrant stance helps Slovenia’s SDS party to poll lead

    LJUBLJANA (Reuters) – An anti-immigrant party looks set to win Slovenian elections on June 3, two years after nearly half a million migrants crossed the country on their way to Western Europe, although a lack of potential coalition partners may keep it out of government.

  47. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Well, your first problem is begging the question. I didn’t say or imply that Aristotle reasoned himself into ‘faith’, I said he reasoned himself out of polytheism and into classical theism (of a sort) because that is where the argument led him, and, your second problem, is that he did so against the background of a culture that was pervasively polytheistic.

    I am sorry, there is nothing convincing about anyone reasoning himself from one unsubstantiated belief into another unsubstantiated beleif.

    So far you have studiously avoided the question as to why one pantheon is any more believable than another.

    Let me help you out. Because one feels better than the other or sounds better than the other or makes more sense or one likes it more or everyone else is doing it so …. etc etc etc. nothing concrete whatsoever.

    And of course there can be nothing concrete as all deities seem to have moved on elsewhere and refuse to consult with us mere mortals except for people on mind altering drugs or other people with mental issues.

    Perhaps the speed of light is interfering in the pantheons inevitable return and they will be here with us again some distant point in the future?

  48. Geriatric mayfly

    but the Get Pell thing.

    Things very quiet on this front. Has that embargo been declared? Or is the date of the embargo, embargoed?

  49. zyconoclast

    German ‘asylum fraud’ scandal probe widens to include 10 more migration offices

    German migration authorities have widened their probe into asylum application fraud and are now investigating 10 additional field offices on suspicion of granting refugees permissions to stay in the country without proper grounds.
    On Friday, the German Federal Office for Migration and Asylum (BAMF) announced that it would review some 18,000 refugee cases in the city of Bremen going back as far as 2000, after the regional office discovered the approval of up to 2,000 asylum stays between 2013 and 2016, which did not match the government’s sanctuary criteria.

  50. Makka

    Of course the real question is:

    Slayer, the real question that needs to be answered is; what evidence is contained on Anthony Wiener’s laptop.

    The contents of that laptop have the potential to nuke the Dems.

  51. egg_

    In the end it comes down to preference, not quotas. Unless you’re a pushy, talentless XX.

    That’s worth stealing!

  52. zyconoclast

    Labor edited transcript of Linda Burney interview on refugees

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s office distributed a heavily edited transcript of a television interview by Labor MP Linda Burney on asylum seekers, removing her calls for a “time limit” on the offshore detention of refugees, in what the Coalition has dubbed a “fraudulent document”.
    Ms Burney’s office has taken responsibility for what it has described as a “stuff up”
    . But the incident comes at an especially difficult time for Labor on the topic of asylum seekers, with numerous party conferences set to debate softening Labor’s position on offshore detention.

  53. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Conviction based on reason, not nothing at all, which is the implication of blind, otherwise the word faith cannot stand on it’s own, can it?

    The implication of blind is without anything testable. Nobody reports back from heaven or hell and the Gods don’t seem inclined to say boo anymore.

  54. Slayer of Memes

    Snoopy, you’re right about mUnty tossing dead squirrels…

    I wonder why he won’t say anything about Mueller indicting a ‘Russian’ organistation that wasn’t even in business at the time it is alleged they were ‘influencing’ the election…. or why Mueller wants to INDEFINATELY delay the trial of those indictments…

    Why is that mUnty?? Why would Mueller be pushing to have the trial INDEFINATELY delayed? Surely the indictments meant he was ready to go to trial…. not that he needed even more time to pull together the evidence…

    Is he saying he indicted these 13 people and 3 businesses WITHOUT evidence?

    The truly sad part is, Sinc allows mUnty to just drive-by, tossing more dead squirrels around the place, instead of just banning the xunt for his constant deliberate trolling (despite all the assurances he gave about never doing such after he was allowed back here after his last banning)…

  55. JC

    Of course the real question is:

    If the FBI was only spying on Trump to ‘help and protect him’ against Russian interference, why didn’t they have anyone inside the Clinton campaign (or indeed, have anyone inspect the DNC servers which the Russians ‘hacked’)…??

    And as someone asked, why didn’t they notify Trump?

  56. notafan

    So far you have studiously avoided the question as to why one pantheon is any more believable than another.

    How is unbelief more believable then?

    Has anyone come up with a reason why the universe created itself?

    I do recall reading Sheed I think asking if atheists are so all knowing that they know God does not exist why don’t they have the cure for cancer?

  57. notafan

    Christians don’t believe in gods and how do you know God does not say boo, besides which even if he did to the entire gen pop all at once, some people would explain that away too.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And we all share the same tailor.

    Nicely put, Calli.

    ‘And did the hand then of the potter shake?’

    All such metaphors produce difficult questions.

  59. Dr Sir Major General

    for the past twenty years Catholics persist in hiring blind f$cking architects

    New Sacred Heart Cathedral in Knoxville, Tennessee.

  60. Snoopy

    So far as I could ascertain, all the design and what have you, plus most of the management-level stuff to a low level, is Chinese.

    I have seen projects in Africa where all the plant operators and even the truck drivers were Chinese. Truck drivers is one thing Africa is not short of.

    Finding work for PLA engineers is more important than pissing off the locals apparently.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So far you have studiously avoided the question as to why one pantheon is any more believable than another.
    How is unbelief more believable then?
    Has anyone come up with a reason why the universe created itself?

    Some excellent questions there too.

    Another question: are most Kittehs religious?
    Except for perhaps Johanna and me. Maybe that’s why we two fight. 🙂

  62. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How is unbelief more believable then?

    que?

    Has anyone come up with a reason why the universe created itself?

    If it hadn’t you wouldn’t be here asking the question.

    I do recall reading Sheed I think asking if atheists are so all knowing that they know God does not exist why don’t they have the cure for cancer?

    Even a teen can refute this level of drivel. Atheists don’t claim to be all knowing. One does not need to be all knowing to ask for evidence.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    I am sorry, there is nothing convincing about anyone reasoning himself from one unsubstantiated belief into another unsubstantiated beleif.

    But without this scientists wouldn’t be able to get grants Zippy.
    Calm down.

  64. H B Bear

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s office distributed a heavily edited transcript of a television interview by Labor MP Linda Burney on asylum seekers, removing her calls for a “time limit” on the offshore detention of refugees, in what the Coalition has dubbed a “fraudulent document”.

    Lying Liars lie. News at 6.

  65. Snoopy

    I don’t mind Monty’s trolling if that what it is. I come here be informed and entertained. Monty helps keep me entertained.

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    Atheists don’t claim to be all knowing.

    Imagine being an Atheist.

    The literal highlight of your life would be to die and never know that you were right.
    That’s the dream.

    Jesus Christ that’s depressing.

  67. egg_

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s office distributed a heavily edited transcript of a television interview by Labor MP Linda Burney on asylum seekers, removing her calls for a “time limit” on the offshore detention of refugees, in what the Coalition has dubbed a “fraudulent document”.

    “I agree with whatever she said – except where I don’t.”

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    I don’t mind Monty’s trolling if that what it is. I come here be informed and entertained. Monty helps keep me entertained.

    I come here for Blockchain banter and Bow Tie tips.
    Also Economics.
    It’s important.

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Imagine being an Atheist.

    The literal highlight of your life would be to die and never know that you were right.
    That’s the dream.

    Jesus Christ that’s depressing.

    No stimps, you make the best of your life as its the only one you get. Atheists are not about proving christians wrong, they just don’t buy into it.

  70. Snoopy

    The literal highlight of your life would be to die and never know that you were right.
    That’s the dream.

    It’s better than dying and then realising you hadn’t been as good as you thought you were.

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I thought the example of Lady Gaga was interesting.

    Women have always directed themselves to where they feel their talents are best utilized given the circumstances. That was often within marriage or in literary endeavours requiring no special training.

    Behind every clever man there was often also a clever woman.
    Sometimes they raised their heads above the marital parapet; one became Madame Curie.

    The differences between men and women are real and relate to our biological functions in reproduction, and the longer child-rearing and educational term set by evolution for our species. The basic structure though is fundamental speciation* material from one tailor (deity or purposeless evolutionary meander) adjusted for biological fit. We’re different. Sit back and enjoy it. But not all that different.

    * “Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species. The biologist Orator F. Cook was the first to coin the term ‘speciation’ for the splitting of lineages or “cladogenesis,” as opposed to “anagenesis” or “phyletic evolution” occurring within lineages.”

  72. notafan

    Oh come on Zippy

    Being an atheist is a belief, is it not?

  73. Stimpson J. Cat

    No stimps, you make the best of your life as its the only one you get.

    This is patently not true.
    Watch the documentary film A Dogs Purpose.

  74. I recognise that there are a few people who converted late in life. But it is fairly obvious from looking at the distribution of the different faiths that the majority of the faithful are brought up in that faith. Whether Christianity, Hindu, Marxist, Muslim, whatever. In none of these cases can you reasonably say that the reasons for having that belief are very good.

    It’s not at all clear what you are disputing here as you’ve moved from an uninteresting sociological fact to a philosophical claim, and yet the two are independent. Your argument, as it stands, smacks of the claim of moral relativists and nihilists that because different cultures conceive of murder differently, that there is as a consequence no fact of the matter with respect to murder, in particular, or morality, in general.

    I am prepared to go along, up to a point, with the ‘God shaped hole in the soul’ theory that explains why people seem to have a need to believe something. That doesn’t make any of the beliefs true.

    No, but neither does your sociological fact above make any or all of the above false.

    I accept that there are pragmatic social reasons for thinking Christianity has benefits. Again, that doesn’t make it true.

    And, of course, the same is true of metaphysical naturalists whose philosophical claims piggyback upon the technical success of science.

  75. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s better than dying and then realising you hadn’t been as good as you thought you were.

    Stimpys Law:

    Something is always better than nothing.

    Exhibit A) Universe.

  76. max

    So far you have studiously avoided the question as to why one pantheon is any more believable than another.

    In the case of Christianity it comes down to faith and trust in Christ and tying that in with things the prophets said about the Messiah as recorded in the Old Testament.

    Mind you, that doesn’t seem to work with the descendants of the writers of the OT. They have another view.

  77. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Oh come on Zippy

    Being an atheist is a belief, is it not?

    my questions wasn’t about atheisim vs xtians. It was about why one pantheon over another.

  78. Mitch M.

    “Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

    Lizzy that has become a very complicated issue. Mosaicism in genetics is far more common than generally reported. Even in an individual human cells do not contain identical DNA but is rather a mosaic of DNAs in various cells. Species are not necessarily reproductively isolated, even Darwin noted unusual properties of plants that pointed to cross pollination by species.

  79. egg_

    The Kingdom of God (and its related form Kingdom of Heaven in the Gospel of Matthew) is one of the key elements of the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament.[1] Drawing on Old Testament teachings, the Christian characterization of the relationship between God and humanity inherently involves the notion of the Kingship of God.[2][3] The Old Testament refers to “God the Judge of all” and the notion that all humans will eventually “be judged” is an essential element of Christian teachings.[4] Building on a number of New Testament passages, the Nicene Creed indicates that the task of judgment is assigned to Jesus.[4][5]

  80. calli

    Something is always better than nothing.

    Unless you’re trying to lose weight.

  81. notafan

    Oh that is easy Zippy

    because one is true and one is not

  82. JC

    Stimpys Law:

    Something is always better than nothing.

    Exhibit A) Universe.

    Not to be pedantic, but that’s culturally insensitive. Thought I should point that out.

  83. Tel

    It’s better than dying and then realising you hadn’t been as good as you thought you were.

    So now, where’s my prize?

    Sorry, there is no prize.

    WTF?!? I’ve been ripped off!

    You mad bro? Look, if it makes you feel any better about it, at least we waited until after you died to tell you this.

    But now there’s nothing more I can do about it.

    Ahhh, yeah there is that.

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It’s not at all clear what you are disputing here as you’ve moved from an uninteresting sociological fact to a philosophical claim, and yet the two are independent. Your argument, as it stands, smacks of the claim of moral relativists and nihilists that because different cultures conceive of murder differently, that there is as a consequence no fact of the matter with respect to murder, in particular, or morality, in general.

    Except people have this innate drive to survive almost certainly from a genetic origin. Any organism that isn’t driven to survive would rapidly disappear in geological time. Hence innate drives can easily form the basis for morality re murder.

    It is absurd to suggest that only through religion can a moral code arise.

  85. nemkat

    “Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

    What a load of rubbish.
    Link to any proof?

  86. I always remember that the apostles, almost without exception, were prepared to die proclaiming that Jesus rose from the dead.

    Notafan, one of the extraordinary leitmotifs of the New Testament is the ‘skepticism’ of the Apostles. Paul persecuted Christians, Peter denied Christ repeatedly, Judas betrayed Christ, Thomas doubted Christ even as he stood before him and to the extent of needing to poke his fingers in Christ’s wounds.

  87. Tel

    Being an atheist is a belief, is it not?

    Streamlined belief: fast, efficient, low overheads. Keeps the costs down.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    my questions wasn’t about atheisim vs xtians. It was about why one pantheon over another.

    Because it’s a sh$tload easier to get into Heaven than Olympus or Valhalla.
    Beliefs change over time.
    I used to think beards were cool when I was a kid.
    People change.

  89. egg_

    Stimpys Law:

    Something is always better than nothing.

    Exhibit A) Universe.

    The Astronomers on Stargazing on ABC last night were grappling with the ‘human’ concept of time, yet were talking about ‘winding back time’ in their data to show the convergence of galaxies (Project GALAH).

  90. Slayer of Memes

    mUnty: (parroting DNC talking points) *squawk* Trump’s attacks on the FBI are causing irreparable harm to the integrity of that organisation!! *squawk*

    Normal Person: It was ‘Attacks’ on the FBI that exposed Hoover’s egregious abuse of power….. and the organisation was able to rebuild its integrity after he and his cronies were cleaned out. Why are you afraid of the same thing happening now…?

    mUnty: #squawk* WUSSIA!! STORMY!! *squawk*

  91. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Oh that is easy Zippy

    because one is true and one is not

    and we are back to circular arguments. one what possible basis would I know that one is true and the other is not?

  92. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not to be pedantic, but that’s culturally insensitive. Thought I should point that out.

    Exhibit B) Trading and a nice relaxing steak lunch with Monty.

  93. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Notafan, one of the extraordinary leitmotifs of the New Testament is the ‘skepticism’ of the Apostles. Paul persecuted Christians, Peter denied Christ repeatedly, Judas betrayed Christ, Thomas doubted Christ even as he stood before him and to the extent of needing to poke his fingers in Christ’s wounds.

    fairy tales.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Use logic

    logic says they are both myths and tales.

  95. notafan

    fairy tales.

    See what I mean about proof?

  96. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not to be pedantic, but that’s culturally insensitive. Thought I should point that out.

    We have no proof that Atheists are people, only that they are soulless meatbag machines destined for eternal nothingness.
    They must be treated with understanding and pity, the same way we treat the Mentally Ill like myself.

    😁

  97. egg_

    The GALactic Archaeology with HERMES (GALAH) survey is a Large Observing Program using the HERMES instrument with the Anglo-Australian Telescope of the Australian Astronomical Observatory.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s better than dying and then realising you hadn’t been as good as you thought you were.

    I suspect just about everybody who dies reflectively dies thinking that. It’s learn as you go.
    How slowly, yet how fast, we do we learn as the years roll by. Every year? Every six months?
    Are you the person you thought you were then?
    Held together by the thin thread of memory, and of hope.

    Hey, what about evidence? Isn’t that important.
    Yep. As Zippy says, one does not need to be all knowing to ask for evidence.
    That you exist. That you are the same person you were. That CO2 is the cause of our troubles.
    Evidence please. It really helps to have some.

    Grumble. I’m off to the bath. Missing my contemplative Japanese onsen warm ups.
    Villaroy and Boch (1748) provide the next best thing Chez Hairy Ape.

    With bear bell, bath book and scented candle. 🙂

  99. nemkat

    Just perusing the List of Fields Medal winners:
    http://www.fieldsprize.com
    1978 Winner Grigory Margulis- could it be …?

  100. calli

    Oh, egg_! What a terrible acronym. And the graphic – eek.

    I honestly thought it was a leg-pull. Surely our taxes aren’t going into this.

  101. JC

    Numbnuts

    Unless the medal is a count of the largest number of people murdered by a serial killer – then no!

  102. egg_

    What a terrible acronym. And the graphic – eek.

    Geek overload?

  103. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just perusing the List of Fields Medal winners:
    http://www.fieldsprize.com
    1978 Winner Grigory Margulis- could it be …?

    Sinc can you please ban Numpty Kat for blatantly exposing Cat poster real life identities.
    He has just outed Grigsie.
    This is outrageous.

  104. egg_

    Thank God it wasn’t CHUNDER.

  105. Makka

    logic says they are both myths and tales.

    Your logic does. Which is something many don’t buy into.

    I can accept atheists and their POV. What I can’t accept is their smug smart arsery.

    Also their hypocrisy when they ridicule a belief system that has endowed them with enormous benefits. From where do they think our laws and protections are derived? Hinduism? So, do us believers a favour. Stfu about proof, be grateful that you benefit in large part from the faith, belief and commitment that others before you have molded into your civilized way of life.

  106. nemkat

    Not outrageous, just Christian charity, seeing as so many poor bastards have been Desperately Seeking Grigory M over all these years.

  107. rickw

    I see homo air now has on board wifi.

  108. egg_

    Is there a bigger fuckwit on ABC television than Joe O’Brien?

    He’s close to the top.

    The Chief Canberra Political Editor just pips him IMHO.

    Greg Jennett

  109. Confused Old Misfit

    What did the Centurion say when Jesus took his last breath?

    I’m sorry. Can’t resist!

    “The Centurion didn’t say anything. He was “breathless”!”

  110. Slayer of Memes

    Labor is having a massive shitfit over the fact that the Speaker of the HoR has sought advice from the AEC about the timing of the 5 by-elections and has therefore selected 28 June as the date… because it’s the same day as the federal Labor Conference….

    They are all but accusing the AEC of suggesting that date because it would be the most inconvenient to the ALP

  111. Slayer of Memes

    Benny Wong is virtually pitching a screaming hissyfit in Senate Estimates (currently on Sky) over the matter

  112. Stimpson J. Cat

    Also their hypocrisy when they ridicule a belief system that has endowed them with enormous benefits.

    Like the freedom to marry other Atheists.
    They only won this right recently though after years of struggle.
    There are still places where Atheist marriage is illegal.

  113. egg_

    Looks like Pwong has been on the Fatty Kim diet.

  114. H B Bear

    How are you supposed to stuff ballot boxes and stack Liar conference votes on the same day?

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Also their hypocrisy when they ridicule a belief system that has endowed them with enormous benefits. From where do they think our laws and protections are derived?

    joos, greeks and romans before xtians.

    the relentless demand we kowtow in gratitude to xtianity is not buying you any friends.

  116. Stimpson J. Cat

    Grumble. I’m off to the bath.

    Please don’t post things like this after talking about your t$ts Lizzie.
    It’s not that sort of blog.

    😁

  117. Baldrick

    nemkat
    #2719069, posted on May 24, 2018 at 3:20 pm
    Just perusing the List of Fields Medal winners:
    http://www.fieldsprize.com
    1978 Winner Grigory Margulis- could it be …?

    Unlikely. The last time Grigory M waded into the field of mathematics he had trouble disseminating the difference between 1 and 5 –

    Grigory M
    #1738771, posted on July 15, 2015 at 7:50 pm
    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.

  118. I am sorry, there is nothing convincing about anyone reasoning himself from one unsubstantiated belief into another unsubstantiated beleif.

    You have not demonstrated that classical theism is unsubstantiated; that is what you are contending. Doing so would require an argument and more than a passing acquaintance, which you lack, of Aristotle’s or Plotinus’s or Aquinas’s arguments for God’s existence.

    So far you have studiously avoided the question as to why one pantheon is any more believable than another.

    Zippy, if you had done your homework before blathering you would easily be able to recognize the difference between gods and God. Why must I go to the trouble of repeating what is adequately argued elsewhere and is freely available to anyone honestly seeking an answer?

  119. Stimpson J. Cat

    the relentless demand we kowtow in gratitude to xtianity is not buying you any friends.

    I think you’ll find Christians have more friends than Atheists.
    To be fair though, Atheists have more friends than Lesbians.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    Grigory M
    #1738771, posted on July 15, 2015 at 7:50 pm
    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.

    Jesus Christ Classic Grigs.
    He makes Monty look like Einstein.

  121. Stimpson J. Cat

    Unlikely. The last time Grigory M waded into the field of mathematics he had trouble disseminating the difference between 1 and 5 –

    Stop that sh$t Baldrick.
    If you laugh too much your robot heart might not be able to take it.
    You should be resting.

  122. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    See what I mean about proof?

    I don’t know why religious people can’t just say the truth. I believe in a religion because I like it, or because my parents were religious. instead of throwing up endless circularity and ridiculous assertions.

  123. nemkat

    Grigory M
    #1738771, posted on July 15, 2015 at 7:50 pm
    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.

    Fair enough, but didn’t Grigory M say he doesn’t sweat the small stuff?

  124. Stimpson J. Cat

    I believe in a religion because I like it, or because my parents were religious. instead of throwing up endless circularity and ridiculous assertions.

    C) I believe in religion because Atheists hate it and its my small way of helping to build the character of soulless meatbag machines before their inevitable and permanent eternal nothingness.

  125. calli

    What we do know is that mosaicism introduces randomness into the development of our brains. Mutations, which arise at random, will form different patterns in different people. “The same zygote would never develop exactly the same way twice,” said Dr. Walsh.

    It’s rather wonderful, that individualism he describes.

    I wonder if planets are similar to zygotes. They are infinitely complex. The number of times I’ve heard it said that because the universe is so big, it’s a no-brainer that there are other “Earths”.

    But what if this is the only one, unique in all that is?

  126. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Zippy, if you had done your homework before blathering you would easily be able to recognize the difference between gods and God. Why must I go to the trouble of repeating what is adequately argued elsewhere and is freely available to anyone honestly seeking an answer?

    Your idea of answers is actually just acceptance of your belief, it’s virtually in every sentence you write. Even when presented with the evidence of your own senses you retreat into denial rather than challenge your belief.

    xtianity, been there done that, moved on.

  127. Baldrick

    TheirABC’s federal political reporter is gleefully reporting a Labor politician doing the rounds of parliament house today destroying copies of Clive Palmer’s latest literary offering, albeit probably highly unreadable political swill:

    Matthew Doran ✔ @MattDoran91
    Labor MP for Herbert, @c_otoole is wandering through Parliament House putting copies of Clive Palmer’s book in the bin.
    His failed Queensland Nickel company was based in Townsville – her electorate.

  128. Top Ender

    The Mocker: Feminists dictate their own narrative over family violence

    The Australian2:57PM May 24, 2018

    THE MOCKER

    Is there any tragedy so horrific that some self-righteous windbag will not exploit it? Not if the reaction to the mass shooting in Margaret River, Western Australia on May 11 is any indication. Consider the following excerpt that appeared last week in the letters to The Age.

    “I am not intending to diminish in any way the great tragedy that occurred in Western Australia last week,” wrote one reader, referring to the murders committed by Peter Miles of his wife Cynda, daughter Katrina, and grandchildren Taye, 13, Rylan, 12, Ayre, 10 and Kadyn, 8. “But I do object to it being labelled the worst mass shooting since Port Arthur, Tasmania.” What was the reason for her objection? “This labelling negates entirely the mass killings that occurred in these states during the Frontier Wars and beyond,” she postulated. “Let us stop looking at these events through white eyes only.”

    What a load of sanctimonious drivel. This is the worst mass shooting since the Port Arthur massacre of 1996, and describing it so does not whitewash or downplay the historical massacres of indigenous people. Unfortunately this fatuous display of grandstanding was by not confined to the letters page, as Channel Seven senior journalist Robert Ovadia discovered much to his bemusement.

    A veteran Sydney crime reporter, he has covered some of the city’s worst atrocities, including the murder of five members of the Lin family in 2009 by Lian Bin ‘Robert’ Xie. He was in Margaret River last Sunday week when a devastated Aaron Cockburn, the father of the four children and estranged husband of their murdered mother, struggled to describe what he remembered of his father-in-law. Miles, he said, was an “awesome man”.

    “He was like my best friend and I still love who he was,” said Cockburn. As Ovadia notes, this was a father still in shock at the loss of his four children. While his praise for his father-in-law was disconcerting, this was no time to judge. That said, Cockburn’s comments were partly corroborated by the neighbours and associates of Miles who Ovadia had interviewed. The dismayed residents recalled that Miles, who was suffering from depression and had deteriorated markedly just before the tragedy, was a “good bloke”.

    It takes a lot to surprise Ovadia, but the reaction from Fairfax columnist and feminist Clementine Ford did. “Turning murderers into ‘Good Blokes’ only reinforces an underlying community belief that there are circumstances in which men can be driven to this kind of response,” she wrote the following day.

    This was a misleading portrayal. Ovadia and other journalists, as is their job, had merely provided background information on the suspected killer. “Nobody thinks he’s a good bloke after the fact,” wrote an exasperated Ovadia in response. “Surely that’s implicit — surely? Do we really need to spell out that mass murderers are bad people?” According to Ford, yes — at least when the murderers are male.

    Not only was Ford misleading in examining the media’s reaction: she also perpetuated a falsehood. “It’s always men, because nobody defends women who murder children or describes them as ‘awesome’,” she wrote. Really? Let’s look at another domestic atrocity involving the murder of children in Western Australia.

    In 2011, Port Denison resident and nurse Heather Glendinning killed her two youngest daughters, Jane, 12, and Jessica, 10, in a murder-suicide which was described as “one of the worst police have encountered.” The West Australian included an account from an old schoolmate of Glendinning who described her as “a nice girl who got into lots of mischief but had a really good fun personality.” Another friend said she was as a “’lovely mum’ who never smacked or told off her ‘caring and respectful’ children.”

    To paraphrase Ford, this next description is a case of turning a murderer into a good woman. The Newcastle Herald provided accounts from Glendinning’s friends who said “she deserves to be remembered as a loving mother.” Here’s a suggestion: do a Google search on Ford, who was a columnist in the year this tragedy occurred, and see how many words she wrote condemning these glowing descriptions. But you already know the answer to that.

    “Stop using ‘poor mental health’ as a scapegoat for domestic homicide and men’s violence,” tweeted Ford on the day of the Margaret River tragedy.

    I’m thinking today of the two women and four children who were murdered in Margaret River yesterday. There isn’t enough rage in the world. Stop using “poor mental health” as a scapegoat for domestic homicide and men’s violence. Those dead women and children deserve better.
    — Clementine Ford (@clementine_ford) May 12, 2018

    On that note, what does she have to say about the case of Raina Thaiday, which was one of Australia’s worst domestic mass homicides? In 2014 the Cairns mother fatally stabbed seven of her children and her niece. Last year a court ruled that she would not face trial as she was suffering cannabis-induced paranoia schizophrenia at the time of the killings. Does Ford regard the invoking of poor mental health as a ‘scapegoat’ for women’s violence?

    It is not hard to imagine her reaction if a father was found unfit for trial in similar circumstances. Writing about the court’s decision in an article titled ‘Cairns children killings: What drove Raina Thaiday to slay eight kids?,’ ABC journalist Kristian Silva said: “Ongoing mental health issues had never been treated, and the financial and emotional pressure of being a single mum had become insurmountable.” Is this not exactly what Ford was condemning when she wrote last week “The Good Bloke narrative reinforces to these men that they aren’t truly in control of their actions, that they’re pushed into it by external factors”? Again, where was her criticism?

    Like Ford, Guardian columnist and fellow feminist Van Badham criticised the media’s coverage of the Margaret River tragedy, singling out Ovadia’s protest that the media should not be afraid to report residents’ recollection of Miles. “The narrative of the ‘good bloke’ who “snaps” and kills his family is myth,” she wrote, “And maintaining it as a frame for news reporting provides external validation to potential murderers that their inclinations towards violence are not unconscionable. Indeed, “good bloke” memorialising around suspected killers instructs that you can both murder your family and retain your reputation.”

    Take a moment to reflect on the inanity of Badham’s argument. If a man is weighing up carrying out the biggest mass shooting in over 20 years, would he not be well and truly beyond caring about retaining a positive reputation, especially when his grandchildren will be among the victims? But if Badham is all for prevention strategies, she should focus on her home state of Victoria and the lenient sentences handed to mothers who kill their children.

    In 2016, Victorian mother Sofina Nikat, who was suffering depression, smothered her 15 month old daughter Sanaya, and dumped her body in a Melbourne park. She lied to police and told them that a man of African appearance who smelt of alcohol had abducted her child. After pleading guilty to infanticide, she walked free from court. In imposing a 12 month community corrections order, Justice Lex Lasry observed “Your pre-sentence custody of 529 days is, on any view, a period long in excess of any sentence of imprisonment I would have considered imposing on you.” Commenting on the sentence, Sanaya’s aunt Zahraa Sahib, was appalled. “We had no justice for her death,” she said.

    Amended in 2005, the offence of infanticide was expanded to cater for mothers who had killed a child of up to two years old (previously 12 months). It provides a lesser and alternative offence to murder, but for female offenders only. When the amendments were proposed, Joe Tucci, of the Australian Childhood Foundation warned of the consequences: “I don’t support it; I think it sends the wrong message by taking the focus off the rights of the children. Society should be strengthening the laws that protect children, not weakening them.”

    The offence provides for a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment, yet since the amendments only one woman has been jailed in Victoria for infanticide. That was Akon Guode, who in 2015 deliberately killed three of her children, and attempted to murder another, by driving her car into a lake. Notably, prosecutors did not seek a life sentence for the murders.

    Could it be the combination of lenient legislation and sentencing for women offenders has minimised or even removed deterrence? According to figures from the Australian Institute of Criminology for the ten year period 2002-12, women accounted for over half (52 per cent) of offenders who committed the crime of filicide (the act of killing a child by either mother or father). That said, women overwhelmingly (75 per cent) featured as victims in intimate party homicides. And while there is no single definition of domestic violence, it is agreed that the majority of offenders are male.

    “We do not owe sympathy to perpetrators,” wrote Badham last week. “We owe it to the abused, dead and living, to condemn their suffering without equivocation. When we personalise tender excuses for male violence, we don’t, actually, minimise the hateful horrors that curdle beneath it. We do, alas, encourage them.” Alas, feminist condemnation of parents who kill their children is restricted to 48 per cent of offenders.

    “Perhaps it’s just the dogmatic feminist in me speaking, but I feel like slaughtering your whole family has to be where we draw the line at being honoured with [the ‘good bloke’] title,” wrote Ford. Perhaps it’s just my belief that all those who intentionally kill children should face the consequences of their crime irrespective of their gender, but sadly the dogmatic feminists seem more concerned about censoring and dictating the media’s reporting to suit their narrative.

    Link

  129. Makka

    joos, greeks and romans before xtians.

    Flippant ribbish. You need to bone up on history. So you support throwing weak or sickly babies over a cliff as a civilized response ala Greeks of yore? Thankfully us Christians have moved on past that. No doubt so have you but with no thanks to atheists for that progress.

    the relentless demand we kowtow in gratitude to xtianity is not buying you any friends.

    What’s with the “x”? Is that some kind of Freemason code thingy? Zip, I’m not looking for friends in this discussion. Like you I’m defending my beliefs and simply identifying for you some home truths which you clearly feel uncomfortable with. That’s ok, we all have to grow up sometime.

  130. Roger

    I don’t know why religious people can’t just say the truth. I believe in a religion because I like it, or because my parents were religious.

    Argumentam ad hominem.

    instead of throwing up endless circularity and ridiculous assertions.

    Argumentam ad lapidem.

    The logical fallacies keep coming!

  131. Slayer of Memes

    Fair enough, but didn’t Grigory M say he doesn’t sweat the small stuff?

    Given how pedantic Grigory was towards other people over ‘small stuff’, for him to say he didn’t ‘sweat’ it when he made mistakes on ‘small stuff’ was the height of hypocrisy…

  132. Oh come on

    Geez, look at the latest Nancy Pelosi trainwreck presser up on Drudge. We are well past the point where the right thing to do is to give the stroke victim or dementia patient her privacy.

  133. Stimpson J. Cat

    xtianity, been there done that, moved on.

    Sane people always tend to sulk when Jesus or God or Buddha don’t talk to them.
    It’s very childish in my opinion.
    I mean honestly, omnipotent omniscient beings can be busy.
    If it helps, try to remember it’s not them, it’s you.

  134. calli

    xtianity, been there done that, moved on.

    Thank you for your honesty, Zippy.

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    Fair enough, but didn’t Grigory M say he doesn’t sweat the small stuff?

    No, it was “Don’t sweat the small skin”.

    I’m sure of it.

    If only he was here to help clarify.

    What a shame.

  136. egg_

    didn’t Grigory M say he doesn’t sweat the small stuff?

    Was that a reference to prey?

  137. Senile Old Guy

    What we do know is that mosaicism introduces randomness into the development of our brains. Mutations, which arise at random, will form different patterns in different people. “The same zygote would never develop exactly the same way twice,” said Dr. Walsh.

    It’s rather wonderful, that individualism he describes.

    It is a remarkable change in thinking about DNA and genetics. But the modern genetic testing methods have caused some quite remarkable changes in many ideas.

  138. Streamlined belief: fast, efficient, low overheads. Keeps the costs down.

    Not according to Alex Rosenberg. As Feser summarizes:

    What these answers amount to is nothing less than a pretty thoroughgoing “nihilism,” though a nihilism that Rosenberg assures us is of “a nice sort,” or at least can be made bearable given that “there’s always Prozac.” Part of what he has in mind is what you’d expect any atheist to claim — that there is no God, no life after death, and that neither the universe as a whole, nor history, nor any individual human life has any point or purpose. He also has in mind claims that some atheists try to resist or qualify but which many of them would allow are at least hard to avoid given their metaphysical assumptions — that free will and morality (including any secular system of morality) are illusions.

    But Rosenberg goes well beyond these familiar atheist themes. In his view, when followed out consistently, scientism entails that introspective consciousness does not give us genuine knowledge of our own nature or of the causes of our behavior. Indeed, it entails that the self is an illusion. It entails that meaning and purpose are illusions even at the level of the individual human mind — that none of our thoughts is really “about” anything at all, and that no individual human being ever really forms plans or has any purposes of his own. And it entails that history, the humanities, and much of social science, to the extent that they presuppose that there are selves with meaningful thoughts who plan and act purposively, give us no genuine knowledge about the world — they are, at best, mere entertainments. In general, narratives or stories of any sort (including allegedly “true” narratives or stories, and including allegedly true secular narratives or stories) are sheer fictions. Only the “formulas, wiring diagrams, systems of equations… geometrical proofs” and the like of scientific discourse give us actual knowledge.
    What Rosenberg is committed to, then, is the claim that the scientism upon which modern atheism rests entails a radical eliminative materialism (though he doesn’t employ that term in the book, perhaps so as to avoid too much technical jargon in a work aimed at a largely non-philosophical audience). Common sense takes it to be obvious — indeed, so obvious that it seems that only philosophers ever bother calling attention to the fact — that the things we say and the thoughts our words express have meaning, that they are about or refer to things in the world. That is to say, they have intentionality, the philosopher’s technical term for a thought’s meaningfulness, “aboutness,” or “directedness toward” an object or referent. Eliminative materialism (or the version of eliminative materialism Rosenberg endorses, anyway) holds that this is an illusion, that intentionality is not a genuine feature of the world and ought to be eliminated from our picture of reality. Much (though not all) of what Rosenberg has to say rests on this fundamental thesis.

  139. nemkat

    Moogy or Georgina Downer?

    Gotta be Moogy.

  140. egg_

    According to figures from the Australian Institute of Criminology for the ten year period 2002-12, women accounted for over half (52 per cent) of offenders who committed the crime of filicide (the act of killing a child by either mother or father).

    Ditto the US, particularly poor black neighbourhoods, and they’re usually male victims, the point yours truly made to the evidence-free aristogeiton clown.

  141. Mitch M.

    It is a remarkable change in thinking about DNA and genetics. But the modern genetic testing methods have caused some quite remarkable changes in many ideas.

    The surprises keep coming. One of my intellectual hobbies is paleoanthropology and some of the genetic studies being published are painting a very different picture from the “we’re all genetically identical” motif. Haplotype distributions raise important questions about human migration throughout the millennia and indicate that ecological induced changes in gene distributions are much more prevalent and much more rapid than I once thought.

  142. stackja

    Labor leader Luke Foley retracts ‘white flight’ comment
    Anna Caldwell, State Political Editor, The Daily Telegraph
    36 minutes ago
    Subscriber only
    OPPOSITION leader Luke Foley has apologised for his use of the phrase “white flight” saying it he won’t use it again.

    Mr Foley used the phrase in an interview with The Daily Telegraph, when talking about suburbs struggling under the burden of massive refugee influxes without the education and jobs resources to match.

    The Labor leader came under pressure on social media over the use of the term.

    It’s understood he believed the phrase detracted from the debate he wanted to have, which was about resources in those communities.

    Responding to The Daily Telegraph story on Network 10, he said: “I meant no offence but some people have told me today they find the term pretty unpalatable so I won’t use it again”.

    Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier labelled Mr Foley’s comments “deeply divisive, dangerous and nasty”.

    In a dramatic intervention in Question Time, Ms Berejiklian said her opposition counterpart had “crossed the line”.

    “The language used was desperate and inflammatory. It goes to the type of person he really is.”

    Labor argued strongly to stop Ms Berejiklian making the intervention.

    Mr Foley told The Daily Telegraph yesterday there was a “middle ring” of suburbs, such as Fairfield, Sefton and Guildford, that were experiencing a “slow decline”.

    “I’m particularly concerned about suburbs around Fairfield because they’re carrying a huge burden when it comes to the refugee intake from Syria and Iraq.

    “Something like three-quarters of the Syrian and Iraqi refugees are settling around Fairfield. It’s all right to come up with a grand gesture of we’ll take 10,000 Syrian or Iraqi refugees but where’s the practical assistance?”

  143. nemkat

    . “The same zygote would never develop exactly the same way twice,” said Dr. Walsh.

    So, what you’re saying is ”Take a bloke with a bone through his nose out of The Congo, and his son is just as likely to become a Fields Medalist as the son of an actual Fields Medalist.”

    This is a Textbook example of some egghead trying to stuff ten pounds of shit into a five pound bag.

  144. stackja

    Woman caught with 200 pills wrapped in condoms, court told
    Nick Hansen, The Daily Telegraph
    May 24, 2018 10:21am
    Subscriber only
    ONE of nine women arrested for allegedly dealing huge amounts MDMA at a Sydney music festival allegedly had 200 capsules of the drug wrapped in condoms and concealed in her.

    Trisha Nguyen, 19, tried to shield her face from the media as she left Burwood Court today, after brief hearing where her case was adjourned to July 17.

    Court papers revealed Ms Nguyen allegedly had the drugs “wrapped in several condoms concealed in her person”.

    Concealed!

  145. egg_

    It must be dumb o’clock.

  146. Brian of Moorabbin

    I miss Grigory M… it was a simpler time at the Cat back then… The trolls actually had some skill at what they did rather than just ‘phoning it in’ or repeating discredited Leftie talking-points, and the only socks were those that people wore on their feet…

    #MakeCatallaxyGreatAgain

  147. Senile Old Guy

    Graphic health messages similar to those used on cigarette packets could be an effective way of helping people make healthier food choices, a study has found. “We don’t know yet if there’s some messages that work better for some people than for others, there’s still a lot more work to do,” said study co-author Stefan Bode of the University of Melbourne.

    As I first thought when I saw this reported, this turns out to be another study of what people say they would do, rather than of what they actually do in that situation. In such studies, people often chose to give the “correct” answer and behave differently in real life.

    Whether we are likely to see scary images popping up on chocolates and chips anytime soon, however, remains to be seen, with other experts saying it’s hard to know whether the results will translate to people’s eating habits in everyday life.

    To assess the impact of health messages on food choices, Dr Bode and colleagues showed pictures of snack foods, such as chips, chocolate bars, nuts, fruits and vegetables to 96 hungry people. The study participants were asked to rate on a scale how much they would like to eat each food at the end of the experiment.

    Then they were shown health warnings. Some warnings were text only; others had pictures. Some had negative messages, such as “eating sugary foods increases your risk of tooth decay”, while others were positive: “staying a healthy weight reduces your risk of heart disease”. After they viewed the warnings, the participants had another chance to rate a similar set of snack foods.

    We all know how well plain packaging worked for cigarettes.

  148. Your idea of answers is actually just acceptance of your belief, it’s virtually in every sentence you write.

    I provide a more than adequate answer and I get this nonsense in return.

    Even when presented with the evidence of your own senses you retreat into denial rather than challenge your belief.

    Do you really want to reprise that silly argument you made last year involving a finger and vision?

  149. Stimpson J. Cat

    David Hogg
    @davidhogg111
    Out June 19th! All proceeds are going to the victims fund, Shine MSD and different programs at Douglas.
    (link:http://www.randomhousebooks.com/books/599770/)randomhousebooks.com/books/599770/

    #Never Again The Book!!!!

  150. Slayer of Memes

    ‘But Russia!’ Hundreds of Congressmen Just Failed to Show Up For an Election Security Meeting

    If you’ve been paying attention to the news cycle since the 2016 presidential election, lawmakers on Capitol Hill have been screaming about the need for election security. After all, Russia flooded the internet with election propaganda but did not physically change any votes. Because the midterms are just a few months away, politicians have claimed this is an urgent matter.

    Today, lawmakers were expected to show up for a briefing on election security with the Department of Homeland Security. Hundreds of them bailed.

    ….

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    22 May
    Lightly attended briefing on election security, despite visit by Chris Wray and Secretary Nielsen. —>
    https://twitter.com/martinmatishak/status/998897292777279488

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    20 minutes in, easily fewer than 100 lawmakers on hand.

    10:21 PM – May 22, 2018

    ….

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    Fair question for the ~300-350 lawmakers who blew off this AM’s election security briefing with DHS and FBI: What were you doing instead?

    10:27 PM – May 22, 2018

    ….

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    “Well, it was at 8 o’clock,” House Homeland Security Chairman McCaul said, when asked about poor attendance.
    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/998903204019654656

    11:48 PM – May 22, 2018

    ….

    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen did her job and showed up on behalf of the Trump administration.

    Homeland Security
    @DHSgov

    This morning, @SecNielsen participated in an election security briefing on Capitol Hill. Securing our elections is a pivotal aspect for our national security and our nation’s democracy.

    11:03 PM – May 22, 2018

    Nielson, along with FBI Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats released the following statement about the briefing:

    “Securing our nation’s election infrastructure is a vital national interest that requires the commitment of our federal, state, and local partners. This is an issue that the Administration takes seriously and is addressing with urgency. That is why today we sought to enlist Congress’ help in working with state and local election officials back home to raise awareness of the potential threats and urge them to continue to use available resources, either from DHS, the FBI or a private, third party.

    “Following the threats to our democratic process in 2016, DHS, ODNI, and the FBI each prioritized our defined roles in working with state and local election officials to assist them in their threat understanding and risk management practices. In the face of a rapidly evolving threat environment, our collaborative efforts with those on the front lines of administering our elections at the state and local levels are critical to enhancing the security of our nation’s elections. Congress is one of our most critical partners in ensuring the success of this ongoing effort. Today’s briefing provided an opportunity to highlight our individual and collective efforts to protect this critical infrastructure.

    “There is a fundamental link between public trust in our election infrastructure and the confidence the American people place in basic democratic functions. With primaries already underway across the United States, and the general election less than six months away, it is critical—now more than ever—to safeguard and secure our election infrastructure. We are encouraged to see the level of engagement today and hope to continue this ongoing conversation about reducing risks and defending our electoral process.”

    Wonder how many of the no-shows were Democrats who have spent the last year fronting CNN and squawking about ‘WUSSIA! WUSSIA! WUSSIA!’…

  151. Rae

    Grigory M did indeed sweat the small stuff:

    Grigory M #1738776, posted on July 15, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.

    No it’s not – it’s the other way round.

    Corrected his own error in just 2 minutes.

  152. Stimpson J. Cat

    Fair question for the ~300-350 lawmakers who blew off this AM’s election security briefing with DHS and FBI: What were you doing instead?

    Just imagine being in a line for donuts that long Monty?
    You have no idea how lucky you are.

  153. Stimpson J. Cat

    Rae
    #2719137, posted on May 24, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    Grigory M did indeed sweat the small stuff:

    Grigory M #1738776, posted on July 15, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.
    No it’s not – it’s the other way round.
    Corrected his own error in just 2 minutes.

    This is so sad that it could make depression kill itself.

  154. rickw

    Concealed!

    I wonder how delivery of a purchase worked?

  155. Rae

    Yeah. Maybe not, Stimp the Gimp.

    But it must have been terribly depressing for you to not even be nominated after your outstanding Pulp Fiction performance with Butch and Marcellus. Shame they cut out the scenes with the sherriff and the gunshop owner. Might have been a different story for you.

  156. Shy Ted

    Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons and Futurama has a new show, Disenchantment.
    “In Disenchantment, viewers will be whisked away to the crumbling medieval kingdom of Dreamland, where they will follow the misadventures of hard-drinking young princess Bean, her feisty elf companion Elfo and her personal demon Luci,” reads the official summary for Disenchantment. “Along the way, the oddball trio will encounter ogres, sprites, harpies, imps, trolls, walruses and lots of human fools.”
    Harpies, trolls and lots of human fools – which means lotsa jobs for the soon-to-be-unemployed folks at the ABC.

  157. egg_

    Brian – defcon 1 is the bottom of the scale – defcon 5 is the top.

    No it’s not – it’s the other way round.

    Grigs hit DumbCon 1?

  158. Delta A

    Brian of Moorabbin
    #2719125, posted on May 24, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    I miss Grigory M

    For goodness sake, BoM, he hasn’t gone anywhere.

    “Rae” is Grig. They both get upset over the same issues, and both have the same schoolchild responses to criticism.

    Ditto for nemkat.

    But you’re right about the standard of their trolling: definitely sub par.

  159. rickw

    Sydney Watson – not all millennials are retarded:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ltfJFkiiA

  160. Delta A

    Harpies, trolls and lots of human fools

    Sounds like the Greens.

  161. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    This is a bloody grouse story! What ripper bloke:

    https://twitter.com/Bmac0507/status/999347008103055360

  162. JC

    Don’t kill them. Gerbil warmers keep telling us polar bears are going missing because of gerbil warming. Spray paint them white and dump them in the Tundra.

    State wildlife officials approved plans on Wednesday for Wyoming’s first season of grizzly bear hunting in 43 years

  163. Delta A

    And talking about the Greens…

    Uncle Moogy!

    What the hell have we done to be inflicted with such human dross in Mayo: Shifty Sharkie, Duchess Downer and Uncle Moogy?

    Thank goodness for AC.

  164. calli

    But did he get the girl?

  165. Geriatric mayfly

    The Wong chap has still got her corsets in a knot over the by-election dates. Savaging some bloke in Estimates, in the her best bully bully mode.

  166. JC

    Artiste

    The idiot kid virtually lost his arm, but you can’t help liking him. It would be helpful if he also moved his lips a little when uttering a word or two.

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    State wildlife officials approved plans on Wednesday for Wyoming’s first season of grizzly bear hunting in 43 years

    This could potentially be amazing.
    We need to convince the Commie Hippies that the only way they can stop hunters shooting bears is by the Hippies handcuffing themselves to bears.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

  168. JC

    calli
    #2719156, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    But did he get the girl?

    Without a doubt.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    I would have sacrificed my arm for a root when I was a younger man. Instead I just have it a good flogging.

  170. JC

    I would have sacrificed my arm for a root when I was a younger man.

    Yea fair enough, but an arm for a gal? No freaking way. Gals are a dime a dozen.

  171. egg_

    The Wong chap has still got her corsets in a knot over the by-election dates. Savaging some bloke in Estimates, in the her best bully bully mode.

    Biracial bisexual ‘bot goes Ape over by-elections.

  172. Brian of Moorabbin

    Shhhh, Delta…. don’t spoil it for them

    They think they have everyone fooled….

  173. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    How retarded are the Liberal Party?

    Luke Foleuy made some very good points yesteray about how immigration is destroying Sydney and in aprticular the western suburbs. WHat does the Libewral party do?:

    The Opposition Leader Luke Foley has faced an extraordinary attack in question time over his “white flight” comments and warning that “many Anglo families” were fleeing parts of Sydney.
    Question time descended into chaos as the Premier Gladys Berejiklian described Mr Foley’s comments as “deeply divisive, dangerous and nasty”.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/dangerous-and-nasty-luke-foley-attacked-over-white-flight-comment-20180524-p4zhbk.html

    Foley is exactly right and the Liberal Party must be destroyed.

  174. thefrolickingmole

    Brought to you by the same country that made the “spinning incinerator”

    NHS needs £2,000 in tax from every household to stay afloat – report
    Higher taxation is only way to address demands on buckling health service, thinktanks say

    Geez 2000 warm beer dollars is a lot to pay each year..
    Oh wait.. its 2000 EXTRA in tax.

    British households will need to pay an extra £2,000 a year in tax to help the NHS cope with the demands of an ageing population, according to a new report that highlights the unprecedented financial pressures on the health system.

    Why the Poms have such a fetish for a bureaucracy is beyond me.

  175. H B Bear

    Sad to see a sock returning to its own vomit.

  176. Geriatric mayfly

    6 Down. (4) Biracial bisexual ‘bot goes Ape over by-elections

    Cryptic crossword clue. Solution: Wong.

  177. DrBeauGan

    Imagine being an Atheist.

    The literal highlight of your life would be to die and never know that you were right.
    That’s the dream.

    Jesus Christ that’s depressing.

    How about the dark corners of the night when you realise that you have based all your happiness , all your beliefs about meaning and purpose, all your life, on something that could be codswallop? That the wellspring of your faith is fear of confronting this possibility? How much consolation do you get from your faith when the whole point of it is to give consolation?

    Don’t worry Stimpy, avoiding thinking about these things has kept you going this far. I expect it will last a few more years.

  178. Bruce of Newcastle

    Man squeezes oil from lemons.

    Elon Musk Goes Full Conspiracy Theorist, Blames Big Oil for Tesla’s Negative Media Coverage

    Elon Musk’s list of people responsible for Tesla’s shortcomings – now inclusive of the NTSB, internet trolls and the financial media – and notably not inclusive of Elon Musk, continues to grow. Today’s addition? The conspirators running the big oil companies.

    It appears that billionaire CEO Elon Musk is convinced that big oil executives have taken time out of their perversely cash generative work days to pin the financial media against him and his cash incinerating company.

    The latest surprising, yet oddly not surprising, news from the world of the Tesla media relations dumpster fire comes courtesy of Elon Musk once again taking to Twitter and raging about the powers that be who are holding Tesla back from its inevitable glorious zenith as the green energy company that will save the world.

    In his latest installment of Tweets, Musk seems to have gone from agitated to full on nervous break down as he took to Twitter this afternoon in order to do several things, none of which had anything to do with addressing Tesla’s capital needs or bottlenecked Model 3 production.

    As an apertif, he addressed the “holier than thou hypocrisy of big media”

    Sounds like he’s with her in a river in Africa.

  179. rickw

    This could potentially be amazing.
    We need to convince the Commie Hippies that the only way they can stop hunters shooting bears is by the Hippies handcuffing themselves to bears.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

    It’s going to be hilarious even if they just elect to be out in the bear laden woods without a gun!

  180. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Samantha Maiden stood down from Sky News for workplace bullying.

  181. Delta A

    Shhhh, Delta…. don’t spoil it for them

    Oops. Sorry, Brian.

  182. Slayer of Memes

    When mentall illnesses collide…

    [UK] Labour Allows Bearded Man to Stand For Woman-Only Role Because He ‘Identifies’ as Female Once a Week

    A middle-aged man with a beard has been accepted to stand for a woman-only position in a local Labour Party branch because he “identifies” as female for a few hours a day once a week.

    The Basingstoke Labour Party accepted David Lewis, 45, as an official candidate for their “women’s officer” role, where he will be responsible for representing women’s issues and recruiting more females.

    “I self-identify as a woman on Wednesdays, between 6.50 am when my alarm goes off and around midnight when I go to bed,” Mr. Lewis told the Spectator, explaining that he does not change his pronouns, clothes, appearance, or behaviour.

    The Labour Party frequently discriminates and uses all-women positions and shortlists, and recently all-ethnic minority lists, to encourage “diversity” in their ranks.

    However, earlier this year, they fully embraced transgender ideology allowing anyone to “self-identify” as a woman and apply for these positions.

    Some feminists are opposed, claiming biological women will be disadvantaged and men may take advantage of the rules. They have tried to bring a legal challenge against the party, insisting men legally change gender before standing for female roles.

    Mr. Lewis said he stood as a candidate to “inform the [Constituency Labour Party], and maybe some other people, about what this policy means, about what happens when you say that someone’s gender depends only on what they say and nothing else”.

    Mocking the policy, he continued: “I’d say those people don’t have any right to criticise my gender-identity. If I say I am a woman on Wednesdays, then all they can do is accept that. After all, there are other people who only identify as women on some days of the week and not others, and they are accepted, not criticised.”

    Adding: “Anyone else’s criticism or questions about my gender identity are just not relevant to the Labour Party at the moment, given the current policy. If I say I’m a woman, I’m a woman.”

    He does not, however, expect to win, explaining: “I am hoping that my local party will be sensible.”

    Mr. Lewis’s stunt comes as the government considers the recommendations of Parliament’s Women and Equalities committee which demanded legal “self-identification” to be the norm in all areas of British life.
    The committee, led by Tory MP Maria Miller, said anyone should be able to be “quickly” declared a woman, with no checks or assessment, and access all-female services including changing rooms and rape crisis clinics.

    “We need to be able to debate this, we need to be able to talk about this without being told we are transphobic and to shut up,” Mr. Lewis says, explaining his motivation.

  183. calli

    How about the dark corners of the night when you realise that you have based all your happiness , all your beliefs about meaning and purpose, all your life, on something that could be codswallop? That the wellspring of your faith is fear of confronting this possibility?

    Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

  184. Delta A

    Man squeezes oil from lemons.

    That has to be one of the wittiest headings/click-bait I’ve ever read.

    Well done, Bruce o N.

  185. Stimpson J. Cat

    Don’t worry Stimpy, avoiding thinking about these things has kept you going this far. I expect it will last a few more years.

    Avoiding?
    I was a Born Again Atheist by the time I was in High School.
    Luckily I grew out of it by the end of High School, in the same way that Goths remove their piercings and make up when they grow up.

  186. Nick

    Samantha Maiden stood down from Sky News for workplace bullying.

    Throwing her weight around.

  187. Boambee John

    Viva at 1409

    When the immune system identifies a foreign body it goes all out to attack and destroy it. Same principle here. The Ramsey Centre may be set to go the way of the Bjorn Lomborg think tank.

    It would be better away from the established universities, which would simultaneously do everything to complicate its operations, and attempt to parasitise its funding.

  188. Some History

    Cats, bells, food.

  189. Makka

    How about the dark corners of the night when you realise that you have based all your happiness , all your beliefs about meaning and purpose, all your life, on something that could be codswallop?

    All? Everything? This is quite a pathetic line of argument.

    There are plenty of other experiences in life to make one happy in addition to belief and faith in God. Here, you are attempting to create quite a false narrative for many if not most of those who believe. This is the type of smug smart arsery atheists get off on throwing about. Why? I think it’s largely because they are hollow , shallow and insecure individuals. No anchor of belief leaves no core just a void.

    Here’s a tip DrBG. If you happen to have faith and believe, you tend not experience those particularly disturbingly dark corners of the night. However, I suspect that is exactly what atheists experience – the doubts and fears when alone in the dark night. Perhaps you are relating your own dark corner experiences.

  190. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2719175, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:30 pm
    How about the dark corners of the night when you realise that you have based all your happiness , all your beliefs about meaning and purpose, all your life, on something that could be codswallop? That the wellspring of your faith is fear of confronting this possibility?

    Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

    Well done. You’re a good person, Calli. Next best thing to an atheist. 😇😎

  191. thefrolickingmole

    in the same way that Goths remove their piercings and make up when they grow up.

    Thats probably more to do with climate than anything else.

    Goths melt in Australia.

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bad news for EM Drive aficionados, which includes me.

    Team tests feasibility of EmDrive and Mach Effect Thrusters

    A team of German physicists with TU Dresden has independently tested the feasibility of the EmDrive and Mach Effect Thrusters. They have presented their findings at this year’s Aeronautics and Astronautics Association of France’s Space Propulsion conference.

    The EmDrive is an experimental space engine design that came to light several years ago. It gained some prominence two years ago after NASA reported a team had been testing the engine to find out if it had merit. That team has not presented its findings, which led the team in Germany to test the idea for themselves.

    the team in Germany built an EmDrive similar to the one NASA had looked at (a leaked paper offered some details), set it inside a highly shielded vacuum chamber and fired microwaves at it. They report that while the EmDrive did experience thrust, the thrust did not appear to come from the engine itself—there was thrust no matter which direction the engine was pointing, suggesting it originated from a secondary source, possibly magnetism from the Earth.

    Bummer. Back to the old Newton chuck-something-hindwards method.

  193. Baldrick

    Obviously, she’s been on the bottle again …

    Sky News host Samantha Maiden has been stood down pending an internal investigation.
    The TV presenter and former News Corp political editor was told to take leave late last week and has not been on-air since. It is understood Sky is investigating multiple workplace complaints made against the veteran journalist.
    The disciplinary action was first reported by Melbourne radio station 3AW’s Peter Ford who claimed complaints related to Maiden’s “attitude and dealing with colleagues”.
    “I’m told the issue came to a head last Friday, a blow-up between her and other staff members in the Canberra bureau,” he said. “It’s a small bureau, everybody’s expected to pitch in.
    “But Samantha doesn’t think she should have to do certain things, as it’s been relayed to me. I might add this has nothing to do with alcohol. But yes, her future is a little unclear. She’s certainly not been fired – it’s up to HR and management [to decide] what happens next.”
    Maiden pleaded guilty to a drink-driving charge and two charges of not obeying police in 2016. Prosecutors alleged she drove on the wrong side of the road and did not stop when they activated their warning lights.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2719179, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    Samantha Maiden stood down from Sky News for workplace bullying.

    Throwing her weight around.

    8.2 on the Richter?

  195. Some History

    The Wong chap has still got her corsets in a knot over the by-election dates. Savaging some bloke in Estimates, in the her best bully bully mode.

    He’s mean. He’s rotten. He’s nasty.

    Don’t mess with The Benny.

    https://imgur.com/d2PA2Pw

  196. JC

    the team in Germany built an EmDrive similar to the one NASA had looked at (a leaked paper offered some details),

    That makes you also doubtful of the German findings because the leaked paper may or may not the blueprint of NASA’s.

  197. Baldrick

    The Wong chap has still got her corsets in a knot over the by-election dates. Savaging some bloke in Estimates, in the her best bully bully mode.

    If I was a man trapped inside a woman’s body I’d be pissed off all the time too.

  198. nemkat

    Hacks at SKY didn’t leave bananas laying around the studio, did they?
    Surely TV people couldn’t be that cruel?

  199. JC

    If I was a man trapped inside a woman’s body I’d be pissed off all the time too.

    Does the opposite also apply. If you’re a woman trapped inside a man’s body, would that make you un-pissed. This would surely apply to Monst, but I mostly see him as an angry lesbian.

  200. H B Bear

    Nothing says MAGA like blasting a grizzy bear with a semi automatic.

  201. DrBeauGan

    Here’s a tip DrBG. If you happen to have faith and believe, you tend not experience those particularly disturbingly dark corners of the night. However, I suspect that is exactly what atheists experience – the doubts and fears when alone in the dark night. Perhaps you are relating your own dark corner experiences.

    I have learnt to live happily with my doubts, Makka. But I wouldn’t care for suspecting all the time that I was trying to stay happy by kidding myself. I tried it once, and it didn’t work for me. If it works for you, fine. I hope you are a happy man. I am, despite your suspicions.

    Very irritating, I expect.

  202. johanna

    Another question: are most Kittehs religious?
    Except for perhaps Johanna and me. Maybe that’s why we two fight. 🙂

    I’m not religious, or even ‘spiritual’, which is apparently a popular get-out clause for hipsters and the like. I’m a boring Dutchie addicted to, and a slave of, fact.

    That said, the wonders of the natural world have always filled me with wonder and joy. Gerald Manley Hopkins was onto something when he said ‘Glory be to God for dappled things’ and so on.

    Arguing with people about their religious beliefs is pointless and only creates animosity for no good reason. As a crime novel afficiando, it’s ‘just the facts, ma’am’ for me. 🙂

  203. Slayer of Memes

    CNN Raided By FCC For Deceiving American Public

    The CNN head office in Atlanta, Georgia, was raided by Federal Communications Commission (FCC) agents Tuesday in an operation related to the “violation of press guidelines” including “publishing and promotion of blatantly false information designed to deceive the American public,” according to reports.

    The FCC arrived unannounced and seized documents and hard drives as part of their investigation, including all of the “source data” the network has used for their stories.

    MSNBC and the Associated Press are also reported to have been raided by the FCC for violating press guidelines, including the “printing of blatant lies“, the “publishing and promotion of stories which require immediate retractions while not promoting the retractions“, according to a source within one of networks.

    According to the FCC, “Broadcasters may not intentionally distort the news.” It is understood that CNN, MSNBC and the AP are under investigation for breaking FCC rules. The FCC states that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.“

    According to reports, the FCC has received “documented evidence” from within the three organizations that prove a “conspiracy to misinform and deceive” the American public. According to the FCC:

    “The FCC may act only when it has received documented evidence, such as testimony from persons who have direct personal knowledge of an intentional falsification of the news. Without such documented evidence, the FCC generally cannot intervene.”

    It is understood a whistleblower has leaked information that proves high-level interplay between CNN and Deep State government officials operating along partisan political lines. Newly revealed e-mails show that former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe was aware of CNN’s internal understanding of a secret briefing about the infamous Steele dossier, days before CNN published any stories on the matter.

    The FCC has an informal policy that allows the agency to remove the license of individual broadcasters if the commission deems that they are “deliberately trying to mislead, misconstrue, slant or stage news.“

    News of the FCC raid follows the EPA’s announcement Tuesday that CNN and the AP were no longer welcome to attend the government agency press conferences.

    Guards barred an AP reporter from passing through a security checkpoint inside the building, according to NBC News. CNN said in a statement that its reporter also was turned away from covering the event “after multiple attempts to attend.”

    Ellen Knickmeyer
    @KnickmeyerEllen

    The @EPA told @AP, @CNN they weren’t invited to @AdministratorPruitt’s #PFAS summit. EPA guards grabbed AP reporter by shoulders, shoved reporter out of building when she asked to talk to agency public-affairs person about covering meeting
    https://apnews.com/d799f4e096cc42cf99ae01b02d1e0688

    12:18 AM – May 23, 2018

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..

    Fake News getting SERVED!!

  204. DrBeauGan

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2719188, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:46 pm
    Bad news for EM Drive aficionados, which includes me.

    Team tests feasibility of EmDrive and Mach Effect Thrusters

    A team of German physicists with TU Dresden has independently tested the feasibility of the EmDrive and Mach Effect Thrusters. They have presented their findings at this year’s Aeronautics and Astronautics Association of France’s Space Propulsion conference.

    Looks like I’m going to win my bet with dot.

    Scepticism and doubt win again.

  205. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Do you really want to reprise that silly argument you made last year involving a finger and vision?

    nothing silly about it at all, you can come to the same conclusion with any optical illusion, just some are too blind or stubborn to see. but then xtians are told if your eyes upset you, you should pluck them out, or some such.

  206. Some History

    Benny Wrong sings Rock gold.

    “Come on everybody, clap
    your hands and sing along.
    You too Abetz…

    Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

    Dirty deeds done dirt cheap….

    https://imgur.com/peugDOb

  207. DrBeauGan

    Johanna, have you come across the Emma Lathen detection books? Warmly recommended.

    If you are a ‘just the facts’ person, you’d pretty much have to be an atheist.

    But you needn’t admit it if you don’t want.

  208. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arguing with people about their religious beliefs is pointless and only creates animosity for no good reason.

    Yep. Religion is far from evidential, it is about conviction and faith. Although finding out what and why others believe the things they do is a valuable insight into – what? Human nature, peoples’ upbringing, various experiences they’ve had compared to your own, thought processes people engage in, what’s important in life and how to confront death – all useful things to hear about – but not to argue about. Where religion meets polity – that’s up for discussion in my book, with due regard to various sensibilities and sensitivities that other commenters may hold.

  209. Stimpson J. Cat

    If I was a man trapped inside a woman’s body I’d be pissed off all the time too.

    Depends who the woman was.

  210. calli

    Makka
    #2719184, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Some of us go through the experience, Makka. I don’t know why others skip it. It’s a form of tempering, I suppose. I discovered that circumstances, even the direst, can’t extinguish the tiny flame of faith. Isaiah 42:3.

  211. DrBeauGan

    What woman would you be happy to be trapped in, Stimpy?

  212. Makka

    I have learnt to live happily with my doubts, Makka.

    You expend a lot of time and effort here DrBG, justifying and arguing your atheist talking points. So yes, I suspect it’s not all beer and skittles with your doubts. I think you are bullshitting. A lot.

    I am, despite your suspicions.Very irritating, I expect.

    The jaunt around SEA and the sub-continent on a search for yourself was a sure sign of contentment , no doubts or questions. Don’t mistake my bullshit meter for irritation.

    But I wouldn’t care for suspecting all the time that I was trying to stay happy by kidding myself.

    Here you are again with ALL. You seem to think that people who believe spend every waking moment thinking through their faith. You are projecting again – it’s actually what you experience, right? Your doubts are getting to you.

  213. Rae

    Harpies

    Only one harpy, Old Snarky Snipe. You are unique in that respect.

    PS. Thanks for another one of your “valuable””contributions”.

  214. nothing silly about it at all, you can come to the same conclusion with any optical illusion, just some are too blind or stubborn to see.

    Isn’t the ‘lesson’ of optical illusions ‘distrusting’ the senses? Still, I can’t exactly recall your exact point re that experiment.

  215. DrBeauGan

    Makka,as a psychiatrist you’re a good astronaut.

  216. will

    Foley is exactly right and the Liberal Party must be destroyed.

    as if any more evidence is needed:

    Brisbane City Council backtracks and bans plastic straws

    A date for the ban to be enforced has not been set.

    BRISBANE City Council has announced it’s about to become one of Australia’s most environmentally friendly councils after it committed to banning plastic straws, helium balloons and single-use bottles.

    The council, one of Australia’s largest, will ban the plastic paraphernalia from all of its operations and events.

    Vendors at council-run events will not be allowed to supply the items, however, patrons can still bring their own, following a vote by council members.

    “We can’t stop people bringing them in,” council’s environment, parks and sustainability chairman David McLachlan

  217. Slayer of Memes

    If Labor had actually vetted its candidates CORRECTLY, like Bull Shitten promised they had (‘Rolled gold’, he said), then they wouldn’t now be shitting themselves over being unable to stuff ballot boxes at 5 by-elections on same day as their national conference…

    ….buuuuuut that’s none of my business *sips tea*

  218. Atoms for Peace

    Is Musk too big to fail?

  219. JC

    Why does almost every single firm someway connected to the entertainment sector turn leftwing? It’s hard to fathom how this works. New Corp an outlier? Wait until the kids grab hold of the reins.

    Netflix is now knocking on Disney’s door in having a market capitalization of US$150 billion.

    It’s advertising this upcoming program in the June lineup.

    The Break with Michelle Wolf (Netflix original, new episodes every Sunday)
    After courting controversy with her scorching White House Correspondents Dinner speech, comedian Michelle Wolf arrives to Netflix with a weekly talk show that takes “a break from the seriousness of late-night comedy.” It’s a mix of sketch comedy, stand-up, and anything else Wolf can throw at the wall to make you laugh (and should be a riot).

  220. Rae

    Sad to see a sock returning to its own vomit.

    Agreed. Sad that you keep doing it. And the Twitter roach too.

  221. Makka

    I discovered that circumstances, even the direst, can’t extinguish the tiny flame of faith. Isaiah 42:3.

    calli, I think it’s exactly those times that cement faith. Give it structure and strength.I don’t understand why but I do know that it’s real. For me, anyway.

  222. JC

    Atoms for Peace
    #2719222, posted on May 24, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Is Musk too big to fail?

    For the next 5 years he is, sure. Tesla will need a capital infusion of about $10 billion, which it will get from the market. I have little doubt. There will also get a second infusion down the line. After that, it’s anyone’s guess. The stock will obviously fall to make way for the dilution, but the idea that it’s going broke in the short term is a laughable proposition, simply because all things being equal, they will get the capital.

  223. DrBeauGan

    Netflix is now knocking on Disney’s door in having a market capitalization of US$150 billion.

    It’s advertising this upcoming program in the June lineup.

    The Break with Michelle Wolf (Netflix original, new episodes every Sunday)
    After courting controversy with her scorching White House Correspondents Dinner speech, comedian Michelle Wolf arrives to Netflix with a weekly talk show that takes “a break from the seriousness of late-night comedy.” It’s a mix of sketch comedy, stand-up, and anything else Wolf can throw at the wall to make you laugh (and should be a riot).

    Time to sell Netflix.

  224. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some History
    #2719183, posted on May 24, 2018 at 5:39 pm
    Cats, bells, food.

    ‘Cats ring bells for treats’.

    Awww. That’s my Attapuss, the tabby on the left in that vid.
    Nabs the bell of the cat next door as well as his own. Whatever it takes.
    Clever fatso boyo. Any port in a storm if it involves more dinner.

    Attapuss won’t let me or any other feeder walk down the hall if he’s hungry.
    You find yourself with a cat clinging to your legs, step by step. No claws, no biting though.
    Repetitive leg hugs for food rewards, I call them. Cute as.

  225. Rae

    Brian. A few people here thought/think I’m Numbers.

  226. JC

    I actually owned it for a very short period, Doc. I missed out. I sold the stock after a really fucking crazy quarterly CEO update. The normal course, in a quarterly conference call, is that the CEO and the CFO answer analyst questions.

    This one time the Netflix CEO had his secretary answer proforma questions that thought were warranted and didn’t allow anyone to ask anything. I thought he was a fucking nut-job and sold out the next day.

  227. MichelLasouris

    “This is absolutely disgusting. @Luke_FoleyNSW and @NSWLabor pandering to racism. White Flight is just a fancy term for racebaiting. No wonder @PaulineHansonOz is praising you”
    Oh my who do think said that? Oh, a Ms.Mehreen Faruqi . What a surprise! And who published this I wonder?
    Oh it was Your ABC……Waaaaacists!!

  228. Geriatric mayfly

    BoN and any others interested in Gaia’s current displeasure, this article and excellent video clip are at American Thinker. The clearest lesson in what irks Gaia that I have seen, since she threw a wobbly in Hawaii.

    USGS’s daily Hawaii lava reports outdo the reports from the press

  229. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused that Phil Coorey is passionately complaining to Drummer girl Julia Baird about the byelections being on the date of the Labor conference. Yet they admit that that date is just before the school holidays.

    So who is the more important Phil? Half a million voters with kids or a bunch of Labor apparachiks?

    Surely the Labor Party could bump their conference back a week. Or is the Labor Party more important than the rest of Australia Mr Coorey? I thought you were supposed to be an unbiassed journo. Aren’t you?

    Phil says there’s such a thing as absentee voting. Marvellously perspicacious Phil. You’re a wonder!

  230. DrBeauGan

    BoN, forgive the personal question, but do you consider yourself a happy man?

  231. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What these answers amount to is nothing less than a pretty thoroughgoing “nihilism,” though a nihilism that Rosenberg assures us is of “a nice sort,” or at least can be made bearable given that “there’s always Prozac.” Part of what he has in mind is what you’d expect any atheist to claim — that there is no God, no life after death, and that neither the universe as a whole, nor history, nor any individual human life has any point or purpose.

    garbage, people create their own meaning and invent their own purpose, why would you need some clergy to tell you that you have some mysterious purpose which nobody can clarify. Why would one’s own goals be any less meaningful then those of some deity that refuses to present itself or its supposed purpose.

    He also has in mind claims that some atheists try to resist or qualify but which many of them would allow are at least hard to avoid given their metaphysical assumptions — that free will and morality (including any secular system of morality) are illusions.

    garbage. how can you have free will if some diety knows all and knows everything that you are going to do.

    free will is not an illusion it is an outcome of non-deterministic and hyper complex mathematical nature of the brain computation. morality naturally arises from genetic drives.

    But Rosenberg goes well beyond these familiar atheist themes. In his view, when followed out consistently, scientism entails that introspective consciousness does not give us genuine knowledge of our own nature or of the causes of our behavior.

    and religion does? hilarious. introspection is a limited tool in “genuine knowledge” of our own nature. refer the vast body of Buddhist literature.

    Indeed, it entails that the self is an illusion. It entails that meaning and purpose are illusions even at the level of the individual human mind — that none of our thoughts is really “about” anything at all, and that no individual human being ever really forms plans or has any purposes of his own.

    having posited that atheists are nihilist he then accuses them of nihilism. it’s a kind of self-referential argument the religious have to resort to. Atheists are not nihilists.

    And it entails that history, the humanities, and much of social science, to the extent that they presuppose that there are selves with meaningful thoughts who plan and act purposively, give us no genuine knowledge about the world — they are, at best, mere entertainments

    good grief charlie brown. does this guy have any comprehension of science?

    . In general, narratives or stories of any sort (including allegedly “true” narratives or stories, and including allegedly true secular narratives or stories) are sheer fictions. Only the “formulas, wiring diagrams, systems of equations… geometrical proofs” and the like of scientific discourse give us actual knowledge.

    try building a bridge with prayer. apparently xtians can part water and don’t need bridges.

    What Rosenberg is committed to, then, is the claim that the scientism upon which modern atheism rests entails a radical eliminative materialism (though he doesn’t employ that term in the book, perhaps so as to avoid too much technical jargon in a work aimed at a largely non-philosophical audience).

    eliminating superstition and other such nonsense is necessary step for the emergence of the modern world.

    Common sense takes it to be obvious — indeed, so obvious that it seems that only philosophers ever bother calling attention to the fact — that the things we say and the thoughts our words express have meaning, that they are about or refer to things in the world. That is to say, they have intentionality, the philosopher’s technical term for a thought’s meaningfulness, “aboutness,” or “directedness toward” an object or referent. Eliminative materialism (or the version of eliminative materialism Rosenberg endorses, anyway) holds that this is an illusion, that intentionality is not a genuine feature of the world and ought to be eliminated from our picture of reality. Much (though not all) of what Rosenberg has to say rests on this fundamental thesis.

    being embodied as a program in a brain that evolved to specifically extract meaning from the world, it is hard to take any of this argument as anything more than bizarre philosophical ravings.

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    blasting a grizzy bear with a semi automatic.

    A far better alternative than a can of Bear Spray which is sold to tourists in Japan and Canada. You have to let the bear get within three metres of you (never turn and run, they say, as bears do 50kph and you don’t), take aim, and spray his eyes. Too bad if you miss, or the spray mechanism fails, or the stuff inside doesn’t work this time (it’s only 50% effective). All this while, as instructed, you are waving your arms and yelling at the bear whom you have just irritated more than Makka and Dr. BG irritate each other. Actually, in these circumstances, it is probably time to pray, as in a foxhole, so there’s an argument won there. For, as an article I put up here from Canada during our Christmas trip in 2016 so neatly put it: ‘this bear does intend to kill you’.

  233. Roger

    Furious agreement on The Dumb tonight prompted by Luke Foley’s “white flight” comment:

    Migrants wish to live among their own kind: good & understandable.

    Anglos wish to live among their own kind: bad and racist.

    One panelist bravely suggested we need an open debate on immigration…the likes of Mark Latham and Pauline Hanson excluded, of course.

  234. nemkat

    Not a bad move by Luke Foley. Sure, he’s been called on it, but he can keep dawg whistlin’ to YT, while at the same time pandering to ethnics right up to Election Day.

  235. Gab

    She looks like a character from a Stephen King novel.

  236. Bruce of Newcastle

    BoN and any others interested in Gaia’s current displeasure

    Thanks GM I’ll have a look at that.

    I just saw 7’s report on their nightly news, they’ve sent one of their veteran journos to Hawaii for a nice working holiday. His report was surreal with fountains of lava in the background (he was blinking like mad with the SO2 fumes). The guy with a lava lake in his back yard was the most epic.

    The report isn’t up yet on the website so I can’t give a link.

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