Monday Forum: June 18,2018

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  1. .

    Enlighten me.

    Are you saying someone, who is let’s say in a state of florid psychosis, can’t do anything “rational”?

    I can’t understand how they can do anything at all then. You sort of have to concentrate to even sit up straight.

  2. Mark A

    From the Australian, paywalled.
    Richard King The Australian June 16, 2018

    Bullshit Jobs: A Theory; Blue Collar Frayed: work in tomorrow’s economy

    Rayner has focused exclusively on men and their prospects in the new economy.

    The figures are stark: Australia’s manufacturing industry shed 33,000 jobs in the past five years, while agriculture has lost 15,000 and mining 18,000, with another 30,000-50,000 ­predicted to go by 2020.

    Moreover, it’s likely that the real rate of ­unemployment among this cohort is higher than official estimates.

    Since unemployed blue-collar workers tend to lack ‘‘transferable skills’’ they often stop looking for new work altogether, and as a result cease to be included in the statistics.

    There is a tendency on the part of power elites to stress the ‘‘inevitable’’ aspects of this process, and it is here that Rayner’s analysis bites. For while she accepts that automation and globalisation are partly responsible for the high rates of retrenchment among blue-collar males, she regards the failure to plan for this outcome as one of policy and political will.

    For her there is plenty that could have been done, not only to soften the blow to the ­communities affected by these processes, but also to make Australia’s economy more resilient in the future.

    Prefabricated housing, medical prostheses, water infrastructure and green technologies are all areas that could benefit blue-collar workers and Australia as a whole.

    The failure to invest in these areas is, for Rayner, the crowning disgrace.

    Though not as intellectually ambitious as Graeber’s mightier, messier tome, Blue Collar Frayed is an excellent essay on the plight of a crucial section of the workforce.

    Politicians will sometimes talk as if men who’ve spent their working lives assembling cars or turning lathes will be frictionlessly ­assimilated into the knowledge and service economy. Rayner calls bullshit on that idea, and does it in style.

  3. None

    You haven’t changed, that’s for sure.

    I do not know why people treat dot like he’s normal or expect to reason with him as if he were a normal person. He’s not. He’s unhinged. Disordered. I’ll put money on that. Not connected with reality. He’s out there in a parallel universe like OWG; he just manifests in a different way.

  4. .

    struth
    #2741254, posted on June 19, 2018 at 1:16 am
    They don’t call it an assembly plant for nothing dot.
    You have had this whole thing explained to you but you can’t find it in your little red book of statistics and theories so you dismiss it.
    You haven’t changed, that’s for sure.
    No theory, no comprehenda!

    You have nothing of substance to understand…”it’s called a factory, it employs 3000 people, this costs 7000 other jobs from being created, but it’s called a factory”.

    From your other comments, you are actually equivocating abolishing protectionism with mid to late 2oth century Chinese Communism.

  5. None

    I call b******* on Rayner who thinks we have to spend taxpayers dollars to install solar panels so retrenched manufacturing workers can spend their lives cleaning them. This is the b******* theory espoused by my plumber ( his wife works for a union).

  6. .

    The government has mismanaged the economy thoroughly since 2008, but the only explanation is trade liberalisation?

    Not the massive debt we incurred?
    Not the cost of production forgone?
    Not inappropriate fiscal and monetary policy that destroyed the manufacturing export base?
    Not high taxes?
    Not the cost of interest payments, which now are roughly equal to per capita GDP growth?
    Nothing to do with agricultural seasonality?
    Not the insidious and crippling levels of regulation we have, notably in occupational licensing and zoning laws?
    Not the virtual vilification farmers put up with simply to operate?
    Not the carbon tax, RET, etc?
    Not the treacherous ABC destroying industries off a confected rumour (live export trade)?
    Not braindead faux conservatives shutting down everyman sports (Baird)?

  7. Slayer of Memes

    IG Report: Peter Strzok Statements About Weiner/Abedin Laptop Conflict With FBI Claims About Weiner/Abedin Laptop…

    General David Petraeus was arrested for leaving his classified schedule on mistress Paula Broadwell’s nightstand. Kristian Saucier was arrested for taking a classified photograph on a submarine. Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin had dozens of classified Clinton emails on a laptop and…

    There is a great deal of inconsistent application of law surrounding classified information. There is also a great deal of fatigue surrounding discussion of those inconsistent applications. Contradictions, inconsistency and obtuse justifications are as rampant in our midst as the political narratives shaping them. Perhaps that’s by design.

    We begin reading Chapter 11 of the IG Report with a growing acceptance that not only is there a need for a special counsel, but there is a brutally obvious need for multiple special counsels; each given a specific carve-out investigation that comes directly from the content of the Inspector General report. This issue of the handling of the Weiner/Abedin laptop screams for a special counsel investigation on that facet alone. Why?

    Well, consider this from page #388 (emphasis mine):

    Midyear agents obtained a copy of the Weiner laptop from NYO immediately after the search warrant was signed on October 30.

    The laptop was taken directly to Quantico where the FBI’s Operational Technology Division (OTD) began processing the laptop. The Lead Analyst told us that given the volume of emails on the laptop and the difficulty with de-duplicating the emails that “at least for the first few days, the scale of what we’re doing seem[ed] really, really big.”

    Strzok told us that OTD was able “to do some amazing things” to “rapidly de-duplicate” the emails on the laptop, which significantly lowered the number of emails that the Midyear team would have to individually review. Strzok stated that only after that technological breakthrough did he begin to think it was “possible we might wrap up before the election.” (pg 388)

    The key takeaway here is two-fold. First, the laptop is in the custody of the FBI; that’s important moving forward (I’ll explain later). Also, specifically important, FBI Agent Peter Strzok, the lead investigative authority in the Hillary Clinton MYE (Mid-Year-Exam), is explaining to the IG how they were able to process an exhaustive volume of emails (350,000) and Blackberry communications (344,000) in a few days; [Oct 30 to Nov 5]

    Note: “OTD was able “to do some amazing things to rapidly de-duplicate” the emails on the laptop.”

    OK, you got that?

    Now lets look at the very next page, #389 (again, emphasis mine):

    […] The FBI determined that Abedin forwarded two of the confirmed classified emails to Weiner. The FBI reviewed 6,827 emails that were either to or from Clinton and assessed 3,077 of those emails to be “potentially work-related.”

    The FBI analysis of the review noted that “[b]ecause metadata was largely absent, the emails could not be completely, automatically de-duplicated or evaluated against prior emails recovered during the investigation” and therefore the FBI could not determine how many of the potentially work-related emails were duplicative of emails previously obtained in the Midyear investigation. (pg 389)

    See the problem? See the contradiction?

    Strzok is saying due to some amazing wizardry the FBI forensics team was able to de-duplicate the emails. However, FBI forensics is saying they were NOT able to de-duplicate the emails.

    Both of these statements cannot be true. And therein lies the underlying evidence to support a belief the laptop content was never actually reviewed. But it gets worse, much worse….

    To show how it’s FBI Agent Peter Strzok that is lying; go back to chapter #9 and re-read what the New York case agent was saying about the content of the laptop.

    The New York FBI analysis supports the FBI forensic statement in that no de-duplication was possible because the metadata was not consistent. The New York FBI Weiner case agent ran into this metadata issue when using extraction software on the laptop.

    CHAPTER 9: The case agent assigned to the Weiner investigation was certified as a Digital Extraction Technician and, as such, had the training and skills to extract digital evidence from electronic devices.

    The case agent told the OIG that he began processing Weiner’s devices upon receipt on September 26. The case agent stated that he noticed “within hours” that there were “over 300,000 emails on the laptop.”
    The case agent told us that on either the evening of September 26 or the morning of September 27, he noticed the software program on his workstation was having trouble processing the data on the laptop. (pg 274)

    The New York Case Agent then describes how inconsistent metadata within the computer files for the emails and Blackberry communications, made it impossible for successful extraction. The FBI NY case agent and the Quantico FBI forensics agent agree on the metadata issue and the inability to use their software programs for extraction and layered comparison for the purposes of de-duplication.

    Both NY and Quantico contradict the statement to the IG by FBI Agent Peter Strzok. However, that contradiction, while presented in a factual assertion by the IG, is entirely overlooked and never reconciled within the inspector general report. That irreconcilable statement also sheds more sunlight on the motives of Strzok.

    Next up, there were only three FBI people undertaking the October Clinton email review. To learn who they are we jump back to Chapter #11, page #389.

    The Midyear team flagged all potentially work-related emails encountered during the review process and compared those to emails that they had previously reviewed in other datasets. Any work-related emails that were unique, meaning that they did not appear in any other dataset, were individually reviewed by the Lead Analyst, [Peter] Strzok, and FBI Attorney 1 [Tashina Gauhar] for evidentiary value. (pg 389)

    Pete Strzok, Tash Gauhar and the unknown lead analyst. That’s it. Three people.

    This is the crew that created the “wizardry” that FBI Director James Comey says allowed him to tell congress with confidence that 1,355,980 electronic files (pg 389), containing 350,000 emails and 344,000 Blackberry communications were reviewed between October 30th and the morning of November 6th, 2016.

    Three people.

    Pete, Tash and one lead analyst. Uh huh.

    Sure.

    The Inspector General just presents the facts; that’s obviously what he did. Then it’s up to FBI and DOJ leadership to accept the facts, interpret them, and apply their meaning.

    No bias?

    But FBI is committed to bias training?

    FUBAR.

    There is an actual hero in all of this though. It’s that unnamed FBI Case Agent in New York who wouldn’t drop the laptop issue and forced the FBI in DC to take action on the laptop. Even the IG points this out (chapter #9, page 331):

    We found that what changed between September 29 and October 27 that finally prompted the FBI to take action was not new information about what was on the Weiner laptop but rather the inquiries from the SDNY prosecutors and then from the Department. The only thing of significance that had changed was the calendar and the fact that people outside of the FBI were inquiring about the status of the Weiner laptop. (pg 331)

    Those SDNY prosecutors only called Main Justice in DC because the New York case agent went in to see them and said he wasn’t going to be the scape goat for a buried investigation (chapter #9, pg 303) “The case agent told us that he scheduled a meeting on October 19 with the two SDNY AUSAs assigned to the Weiner investigation because he felt like he had nowhere else to turn.” … “The AUSAs both told us that the case agent appeared to be very stressed and worried that somehow he would be blamed in the end if no action was taken.”

    On October 20, 2016, the AUSAs met with their supervisors at SDNY and informed them of their conversation with the Weiner case agent. The AUSAs stated that they told their supervisors the substantive information reported by the case agent, the case agent’s concerns that no one at the FBI had expressed interest in this information, and their concern that the case agent was stressed out and might act out in some way. (pg 304)

    Why would the New York Case Agent be worried?

    Consider Page 274, footnote #165:

    fn 165: No electronic record exists of the case agent’s initial review of the Weiner laptop. The case agent told us that at some point in mid-October 2016 the NYO ASAC instructed the case agent to wipe his work station. The case agent explained that the ASAC was concerned about the presence of potentially classified information on the case agent’s work station, which was not authorized to process classified information.

    The case agent told us that he followed the ASAC’s instructions, but that this request concerned him because the audit trail of his initial processing of the laptop would no longer be available. The case agent clarified that none of the evidence on the Weiner laptop was impacted by this, explaining that the FBI retained the Weiner laptop and only the image that had been copied onto his work station was deleted. The ASAC recalled that the case agent “worked through the security department to address the concern” of classified information on an unclassified system. He told us that he did not recall how the issue was resolved.

    Summary:
    – There were only three people in the Mid-Year-Event team granted authority to physically do the Clinton email review.

    – They were: FBI Agent Peter Strzok, FBI Attorney-1 Tashina “Tash” Gauhar, and an unnamed lead analyst.

    – FBI Agent Peter Strzok says they were able to cull the number of emails through the use of “some amazing things to rapidly de-duplicate” the emails.

    – The New York FBI case agent assigned to the Weiner investigation, a certified Digital Extraction Technician, as well as the FBI forensics team in Quantico say it was impossible to use the conflicted metadata to “de-duplicate” the emails.

    – Someone is lying.

    – FBI Director James Comey said his investigative unit used some form of “wizardry” to review the content of the Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner laptop.

    – The Inspector General makes no determination as to who is telling the truth; and never asked the question of whether an actual review of the laptop emails took place.

    – The FBI still has possession of the Abedin/Weiner laptop.

    The Full IG Report, from which the above excerpt have been extracted, can be viewed here.

  8. Mitch M.

    I do not know why people treat dot like he’s normal or expect to reason with him as if he were a normal person. He’s not. He’s unhinged. Disordered. I’ll put money on that. Not connected with reality. He’s out there in a parallel universe like OWG; he just manifests in a different way.

    You don’t understand schizophrenia. 99% plus of their behaviors are rational, it is only in relation to specific behaviors they become irrational. They can drive cars, do math, defecate in the toilet, they know when to cross the road and how to read traffic signals. What you are describing is more a person with advanced dementias than a psychiatric condition. Even in extreme states of mental unrest most of the behavior is dictated by reality but it only takes that 1% distortion to make them do something very dangerous and stupid. In florid psychosis that 1% becomes the driver, usually their distortions are a part of them, in the florid state it dominates them. They are still rational in most aspects but now they are completely driven by their delusions.

  9. BorisG

    On the other hand, I did ask “how insane do you have to be to be insane” and no one answered.

    I did. In non-scientific way but from some research of the subject I have done some months ago.

  10. struth

    You have changed dot.
    Your worse.
    I believe you may have tried to educate yourself beyong your intelligence.
    Seriously.
    No one said the Assembly plant should have been subsidised.
    Having that ASSEMBLY plant in Australia created way more jobs outside it’s gates than inside.
    All over taxed and over regulated.
    As was Holden itself.
    The cost of production in Australia was far too high with what the government took with one hand and the subsidies didn’t make up for it.
    Subsidies are the rediculous knee jerk reaction to problems caused by government in the fist place.
    It continues to tax business out of Australia.
    What is so hard for you to understand here , dot.

  11. johanna

    Heh, been reading back and discovered that I successfully (and inadvertently) trolled JC yet again. Honestly, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

    I said that the word ‘privatisation’ in relation to TheirABC is stupid because you can’t privatise a loss making outfit with no assets except for its ‘plant, equipment and real estate.’ In jumps our chronic liar, claiming that I know nothing about finance or economics, bla bla.

    GBEs like Telstra, CSL, the Commonwealth Bank etc were able to be privatised because they were trading in the real world and making a profit. TheirABC has never traded in the real world, unless you count the ABC shops, which are hardly a goldmine and contribute next to nothing to the bottom line.

    Quite simply, the ABC loses $1.2 billion a year despite being exempt from things like payroll tax.

    They do have some IP assets, but on the other hand whoever bought them would be locked in to their contracts with overpaid presenters, their Enterprise Agreement, their leases, and worst of all, their super fund.

    The ABC is technically insolvent, and is incapable of being privatised. My saying that caught JC in yet another lying misrepresenation of what I actually said.

    You’d be mad to do business with him.

  12. johanna

    Oh, and Michelle Grattan has been given space on the ABC website to launch – surprise, surprise – a defence of their worthiness and worth.

    The real giveaway is in the opening para:

    A re-elected Turnbull government wouldn’t sell the ABC, whatever scare Bill Shorten might be raising. But you’d have to be an optimist to think that if it wins, it won’t intensify its bullying and denigration of the public broadcaster.

    Well, of course they won’t sell it – it’s unsaleable.

    Meanwhile, anyone who attacks the ABC is a meanie and a poo-head.

  13. johanna

    Since I’ve apparently got the stage to myself, here’s another TheirABC irritant. They ran a story about a bloke who has possibly the best recorded music collection in the country, and the headline is ‘Grandad leaves behind treasure.’

    The collection belonged to Gold Coast grandfather, Ken Perkins, who left behind a treasure trove of more than 80,000 records after his death.

    The guy was a national treasure, a formidable archivist and collector, but in true tabloid style, they label him as a ‘grandad.’

    This is the quality journalism we are all paying for.

  14. Up The Workers!

    Don’t waste time trying to find a buyer silly enough to pay a billion-dollar-plus price for the A.L.P.B.C. The taxpayer would be far better served if our Federal Misgovernment decided to cut its losses and just gift the whole damned thing – lock, stock and bulldusting sheltered-workshopping staff, to Fauxfacts.

    With a billion-dollar-per-annum millstone like the A.L.P.B.C. hung around its scrawny, penurious neck, Fauxfacts would disappear down around the “S-bend” faster than a Labor(sic) election commitment.

    Two problems fixed for the price of one.

    There.

    Fixed!

    Now…where’s the next swamp?

  15. Shy Ted

    FIRST!!! (to say thanks Tom)

  16. Oh come on

    The claim that Toxic Masculinity is an indirect cause of the murder of that Melbourne comedian. ABC News app reports some of the “vile” FB posts that have cropped up after the terrible crime. For instance:

    “I saw one yesterday where…’if you left $100 on your dash, in your car, and you walked away, and someone stole that … that’s why you need to wear a longer skirt’.”

    Errr what’s that about?

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ben Garrison can do a very hot Melania!
    Someone should send that cartoon to Kathy Griffin. 😀

  18. rickw

    Now…where’s the next swamp?

    I think that’s the right meme: drain the ABC swamp

  19. rickw

    Memo to ABC:

    If you are partisan hacks who live high on the hog on funding from the Little People, and you continuously support policies that are detrimental to the Little People, sooner or later the Little People will come after you.

    There would be nothing more wonderful than seeing this bunch of communist ripped from the taxpayers teat.

  20. Some History

    For anyone interested.

    Volume up… up.

    Magnificent Seven Theme (1960)

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey M0nty! Look what the IG report has caused!

    Comey refuses to testify to Congress, McCabe pleads Fifth Amendment: Grassley

    Fired FBI Director James Comey refused to appear before Congress on Monday to talk about his handling of the Clinton email investigation, and his fired deputy, Andrew McCabe, asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination, Sen. Charles E. Grassley said.

    Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch also declined to show up for a major hearing where the Senate Judiciary Committee was looking into the inspector general’s report detailing major bungles in Mr. Comey’s handling of the Clinton investigation.

    I thought only criminals pled the ‘fif’. And isn’t refusing to testify before Congress contempt of that august body? How odd that these heroes of Hillary America have suddenly scuttled under rocks to hide.

  22. Some History

    For anyone interested.

    Volume up… up.

    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly – The Danish National Symphony Orchestra (Live)

  23. miltonf

    Some History- that’s a wonderful piece of music along with the A Big Country themes.

  24. Dot;

    Yes, I’d be angry, but if he is genuinely insane, this is pointless other than giving me something cathartic to experience.
    You can’t punish someone who is in a fantasy land.

    Of course you can punish someone who is in fantasy land. The same way you can punish a rabid dog.
    One bullet.
    Stop making excuses for your moral cowardice.

  25. None

    Ok was there an effigy of a hanging body in DNS video?

  26. None

    I’m sure there was an article in the Australian last night – posted just after midnight – that said that New South Wales attorney general was open to changes to anti-discrimination law. It looked like it would have some relationship to the serial litigation against Bernard Gaynor. Lo and behold I go to read it this morning and it’s not there. Am I still asleep?

  27. None

    For all his talents Ben Garrison just doesn’t get Trump’s eyebrows right. Today’s cartoon in the Oz is also excellent. Thanks Tom.

  28. OneWorldGovernment

    Up The Workers!
    #2741288, posted on June 19, 2018 at 5:58 am

    Don’t waste time trying to find a buyer silly enough to pay a billion-dollar-plus price for the A.L.P.B.C. The taxpayer would be far better served if our Federal Misgovernment decided to cut its losses and just gift the whole damned thing – lock, stock and bulldusting sheltered-workshopping staff, to Fauxfacts.

    With a billion-dollar-per-annum millstone like the A.L.P.B.C. hung around its scrawny, penurious neck, Fauxfacts would disappear down around the “S-bend” faster than a Labor(sic) election commitment.

    Two problems fixed for the price of one.

    Up The Workers!

    How about splitting it with FauxFacts and each of the Taxpayer funded “film” cartels!

  29. None

    If I were PM I run around saying no no no I won’t sell the ABC I will never sell the ABC
    and then I just shut it down and sack them all.

  30. None

    I get the reasoning but no way would I even gift the ABC to anyone. No government has a right to gift public property to anyone. I’d rather sell the tangible assets for scrap. The intangibles value is zero so that doesn’t matter.

  31. Tel

    The FBI analysis of the review noted that “[b]ecause metadata was largely absent, the emails could not be completely, automatically de-duplicated or evaluated against prior emails recovered during the investigation” and therefore the FBI could not determine how many of the potentially work-related emails were duplicative of emails previously obtained in the Midyear investigation. (pg 389)

    Who stores emails without metadata? That’s less plausible than Monty telling you he has absolutely no idea where the doughnut went.

  32. OneWorldGovernment

    Tom

    Thanks for the ‘toons’.

    This one from American Thinker is not bad either.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

  33. Tel

    What about the idea of having term limits for ABC staff, and contractors? Maybe 6 years maximum in each person’s life that they can get paid out of the tax purse.

    Part of the problem is there is no direct comparison between private industry and the ABC in terms of pay, but if people are forced to cycle through there will be a comparison… we can see where they go to and what they are paid outside the ABC.

    Also, it means the tax money gets shared around a bit. The ABC loves the idea of sharing so they can learn to share too. More new people will have opportunities and that’s great for diversity. Seriously, keep it on the public budget but impose lifetime term limits.

  34. feelthebern

    The Donald is turning Starship Troopers into reality.
    Is there nothing he can’t do?

  35. Mater

    I wouldn’t normally do this, but Bearing nails it.
    Not suitable for work.

    https://youtu.be/vlxnIcBdgYQ

  36. egg_

    NSW Govt has a $3.9B surplus – that ought to buy the odd coal fired power station back?

  37. feelthebern

    The good news is, monty can even join Trump’s Spaceforce.
    In zero gravity, it doesn’t matter how fat you are.

  38. Baldrick

    Cheers Tom. Mike Lester today.

  39. egg_

    Cloive on ABC News Breakfast – One (Cloive) Astraya Party.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2741275, posted on June 19, 2018 at 5:01 am

    An odd Mark Knight.

    Dunno Tom, but they were running with “controversial decisions” in the MSM the morning after.
    All bullshit.
    The penalty to France was clear and the second goal bounced behind the line before bouncing out again.
    No problem.
    I think it is just a “we wuz robbed” line designed to sell papers to the gullible.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting article on the uprising in Nicaragua:

    Barricades and Empty Streets: Nicaragua’s Leader Loses Control

    Since a revolt broke out two months ago, the former Marxist guerrilla leader has lost control over most of the country, including this city 17 miles south of the capital Managua. More than 160 people have been killed in a government crackdown that has further stoked protests. Over the weekend, six members of a family died in a fire started by armed masked men.

    Young rebels have erected more than 120 barricades on the country’s main roads, leaving long lines of stopped trucks carrying everything from gasoline to textiles. Managua is almost totally isolated by the blockades. At each of 12 checkpoints between Managua and Masaya, vehicles are stopped by machete-wielding men with ski masks.

    The impasse could set the stage for a long conflict, some analysts say. Mr. Ortega has said he will consider a proposal by the Catholic Church to call early elections for March 2019, but he rejects demands he step down. Most cities are in open rebellion, including Granada, a quaint colonial city favored by U.S. tourists where the city hall was burned down, and León, the country’s second-largest city.

    The sad thing is the revolt against Ortega is lefty on lefty stuff. The rebels are rebelling because socialist Ortega ran out of other peoples’ money and had to put up taxes. So Nicaragua loses if Ortega stays in power and loses if the rebels win.

    If the direct WSJ link doesn’t work you can click through from Drudge, which is where I found it.

  42. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2741327, posted on June 19, 2018 at 7:46 am

    Interesting article on the uprising in Nicaragua:

    ………….

    The sad thing is the revolt against Ortega is lefty on lefty stuff. The rebels are rebelling because socialist Ortega ran out of other peoples’ money and had to put up taxes. So Nicaragua loses if Ortega stays in power and loses if the rebels win.

    Sad as Bruce.

  43. OneWorldGovernment

    BoN

    Did you see the article at American Thinker about China’s next War?

    China’s Next War
    By David Archibald

    Despite being two of the world’s three remaining communist states, China and Vietnam look to be on the verge of war. Vietnam is an obstacle to China’s ambitions for East Asian hegemony.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/chinas_next_war.html

  44. calli

    Thanks Mater.

    I wish I had seen that yesterday morning. I had a (gentle) argument with a friend over Wilkinson’s idiotic blub session – she thought it was wonderful, my take was exactly the same as Bearing’s. Personal responsibility, and that sometimes hideous things happen no matter how hard we try to prevent them.

    No, no! Men are terrible.

    Your husband? Your son? Your grandson? Are they potential rapists?

    No, no! Other men.

    You get the drift.

  45. Baldrick

    BREAKING: Ponds Institute director thinks the ABC is a bargain and wants to pay more …

    Josh Bornstein ✔ @JoshBBornstein
    The ABC is a bargain. Happy to pay more.

  46. calli

    Lester’s bodice ripper is a ripper! Chortle.

  47. Boambee John

    Dot at 2134

    Maybe he’s not insane but let’s say he is. To try him would really just be a show trial and justice cannot be served, at worst it would be an injustice.

    What then? Confined in a secure psychiatric facility at Her Majesty’s pleasure? Certainly, he should never be released if he is unfit to face trial, he remains a danger to the public.

    Perhaps released into the care of someone who supports Islamic immigration, who accepts full responsibility for his future actions? Julian Burnside?

  48. egg_

    Josh Bornstein ✔ @JoshBBornstein
    The ABC is a bargain. Happy to pay more.

    Make it subscription only on PayTV.

  49. calli

    If he’s unfit to face trial, then he’s unfit to face life among the general public.

    Institutionalise him for life. NTBR. For his own safety and the safety of others.

    That would have an additional benefit. Others falsely claiming mental impairment for heinous crimes may prefer to take their chance before a jury of their peers.

  50. stackja

    Loughborough Junction: Three killed by train in south London
    6 hours ago

    Three men have died after being struck by a train near a south London station.

    It is understood that spray cans were found near the bodies of the men, who are believed to be in their 20s.

    Police were called to Loughborough Junction station, near Brixton, at about 07:30 BST and the three were pronounced dead at the scene.

    The deaths are being treated as “unexplained” and police are investigating how the men came to be on the tracks.

    British Transport Police (BTP) said it is investigating whether the men were graffiti artists and confirmed that they were not employed to be on the tracks.

  51. Mother Lode

    feelthebern,

    Isn’t one of the scenes where they say “Come on you apes! You wanna live forever?”

    Amazing! He called them apes – even though they weren’t all black!

    Is it possible…no, it can’t be…that the epithet ‘ape’ is applied to suggest someone is more strong than smart?

    No, that would surely have been considered when a football player (proverbially cerebral) was called an ape.

    He must have been talking to the few black troops because the white ones already knew what to do.

    Flamin’ racist!

  52. Baldrick

    Of course TheirABC is balanced and not pushing a Leftard agenda-

    ABC Q&A ✔ @QandA
    Should we be allied more with China than an unpredictable Trump

  53. pete m

    Leigh – the reference on the trophy is to their left back player who every time he was touched flung himself out like he was shot in the back. It got ridiculous.

    The penalty was line ball as the aussie just got to the ball first, meaning subsequent contact is ok.

    Kane got tackled rugby style to the ground and no penalty – quickly becoming a farce.

  54. egg_

    ABC Q&A ✔ @QandA
    Should we be allied more with China than an unpredictable Trump

    Drugs are baaad, m’kay?

  55. Leigh Lowe

    OK Pete.
    I didn’t see the full match but I wasn’t left with a “we wuz robbed” feeling.
    Kind of shits me the way the Australian meeja reports international sports … everyone else is on drugs or cheating somehow, but not us.

  56. Entropy

    egg_
    #2741323, posted on June 19, 2018 at 7:38 am
    Cloive on ABC News Breakfast – One (Cloive) Astraya Party.

    Of course he is. The ABC was his chief promoter last time.

  57. Dr Faustus

    The FBI analysis of the review noted that “[b]ecause metadata was largely absent, the emails could not be completely, automatically de-duplicated or evaluated against prior emails recovered during the investigation”

    Not trying very hard, then.
    There is a whole world of high performance commercial de-duplication software available – all specifically designed to efficiently manage big data. This includes software that will parse and compare email without metadata/headers.

    De-duplicating 300,000 emails is a very modest task. Enterprise-scale applications are designed to process millions.

  58. cohenite

    Cheers Tom. Mike Lester today.

    True, made me laugh.

    Thanks Tom.

  59. None

    It is understood that spray cans were found near the bodies of the men, who are believed to be in their 20s.

    Good riddance to that trash. May there be many more.

  60. stackja

    Turnbull and Shorten at Canberra vigil – ABC News (Australian …
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-18/malcolm-turnbull…shorten…dixon/9883822
    11 hours ago – Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten stand together in the dark at Parliament House in Canberra holding.

    Bill against violence, ask Kathy.

  61. lotocoti

    The ABC is a bargain. Happy to pay more.

    No matter how good Archer is, even in repeat, a billion bucks isn’t a bargain.

  62. 5 degrees C this am.
    Frosty on the grass.
    Sod this for a lark.

  63. Helen

    egg_
    #2741323, posted on June 19, 2018 at 7:38 am
    Cloive on ABC News Breakfast – One (Cloive) Astraya Party.

    Of course he is. The ABC was his chief promoter last time.

    Yep anything to split the conservative vote is GOOD for ABCNN

  64. johanna

    Even as someone with limited knowledge of IT, the story that duplication of emails poses a huge problem smells to high heaven. The number of emails involved is a marginal issue with modern software. certainly not one involving more than a week.

    And, now that people are awake, I will re-run my comment of the wee sma’s:

    johanna
    #2741268, posted on June 19, 2018 at 2:25 am

    Heh, been reading back and discovered that I successfully (and inadvertently) trolled JC yet again. Honestly, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

    I said that the word ‘privatisation’ in relation to TheirABC is stupid because you can’t privatise a loss making outfit with no assets except for its ‘plant, equipment and real estate.’ In jumps our chronic liar, claiming that I know nothing about finance or economics, bla bla.

    GBEs like Telstra, CSL, the Commonwealth Bank etc were able to be privatised because they were trading in the real world and making a profit. TheirABC has never traded in the real world, unless you count the ABC shops, which are hardly a goldmine and contribute next to nothing to the bottom line.

    Quite simply, the ABC loses $1.2 billion a year despite being exempt from things like payroll tax.

    They do have some IP assets, but on the other hand whoever bought them would be locked in to their contracts with overpaid presenters, their Enterprise Agreement, their leases, and worst of all, their super fund.

    The ABC is technically insolvent, and is incapable of being privatised. My saying that caught JC in yet another lying misrepresenation of what I actually said.

    You’d be mad to do business with him.

    🙂

  65. Baldrick

    It’s official. We’ve reached peak stupid.

    ABC Politics ✔ @politicsabc
    Clive Palmer cites himself as inspiration for President Trump… @BreakfastNews

  66. areff

    The last thing this country needs is Australia doing well in the World Cup. Every country where soccer prevails is riven with social discord and pathologies, and we have enough of those already. The only possible positive about the game is that, with all that nancy-ing about and writhing in mock agony at the slightest touch, the ranks of its players might serve as a recruiting pool for the upper reaches of the ADF. There would be no need to pay for formal sex changes, as such candidates would already be atuned to the need for nice cushions in foxholes and antimacassars in tanks.

    Soccer, the game played by girls who might not yet realise they should formally identify as such.

  67. None

    That Quilliam defamation win against the southern poverty law centre is huge. Their videotaped apology by some aging white hippie still oozed sanctimony though. Oh we did more research no no no Quilliam are not extremists. We shouldn’t have put them into our guide to extremist groups. Like who the hell made the racist bullies at SPLC see the authority on anything?

  68. struth

    Unpredictable Trump.

    Only if you have your head up your left wing arse.

    Rabz the joint.

  69. Mother Lode

    I get the reasoning but no way would I even gift the ABC to anyone. No government has a right to gift public property to anyone.

    I expect the nominal value of much of the ABC’s equipment is higher than the market value. No doubt shrewd suppliers have cashed in on the ABC’s myriad political posturings: Camera’s with free-trade lenses ground out by little African urchins in Andes (yes, I know where the Andes are, but we are talking about what the ABC will fall for), male and female microphones, multilingual paper (you can write on them in any language, not just English), special power points that only provide renewables electricity etc.

    No, the real money to be got from the ABC is selling their talking heads for live medical experimentation.

    Not just that, but broadcast it with ads.

    I would love to see how much medical procedure is required before Tony Jones stops interrupting the surgeon, and would be happy to sit through a few K-Mart and Dominos ads while it is going on.

  70. pete m

    Leigh – aust had some chances to win the game but a poor last pass killed it.

    Defence not keeping up with pogba cost the draw.

    Overall aussies played well against the tournament favourites so credit.

    I agree media and so called experts always trying to boost us is a joke on the world stage.

  71. struth

    Cori Bernardi should have been wearing a MAGA hat and claiming the ground he’s just let that fat boofhead Palmer claim.
    Just what we don’t need.

  72. stackja

    struth
    #2741369, posted on June 19, 2018 at 8:48 am

    No room for a head.

  73. stackja

    struth
    #2741372, posted on June 19, 2018 at 8:51 am

    Cori Bernardi lacks killer instinct.

  74. None

    Struth, Bernardi was on sky last night pointing out that Palmer’s is just another personality cult.

  75. Leigh Lowe

    Pete.
    I agree that there might have been the slightest feather of boot on ball before the tackle which led to the French penalty, but it certainly wasn’t a daylight robbery “hand of God” moment.
    From memory, the Aussies had a series of unforced turnovers in midfield (including leading up to the Frog penalty).
    No-one else to blame for that.

  76. Baldrick

    Cori Bernardi should have been wearing a MAGA hat and claiming the ground he’s just let that fat boofhead Palmer claim.
    Just what we don’t need.

    He has.

  77. stackja

    Broadcast Australia

    Digital terrestrial television (DTV) – Broadcast Australia delivers DTV services nationally on behalf of ABC and SBS, as well as commercial broadcasters.

  78. hzhousewife

    What about the idea of having term limits for ABC staff, and contractors? Maybe 6 years maximum in each person’s life that they can get paid out of the tax purse.

    Term limits for Public Servants too, at lower grades share the work around, at upper grades maybe ten years to maintain the expertise, but no more. Share the love and the $500,000 plus jobs.

  79. Rae

    specially invented ‘Beth’ panting after ‘Grigory’ meme

    Invented by Mother Lode actually. And aimed at me, not you Beth. As can be clearly seen from the second line of the title:

    Fuck off Socktimus
    (Or Rae-ders of the Sock Ark)

    A lengthy piece of doggerel that was well received by various Cats on the day. And by you yourself when it was repeated in full by Stimp the Gimp on a later Forum.

    Doggerel it was, but credit where it is due. Mother Lode quite cleverly wove into it your somewhat troubled relationship with the former commenter Grigory M and the disdain with which he treated you. That is clearly the analogy to be drawn from the poem’s references to Grigor and Beth.

    You, Beth, have had no difficulty calling me names since I’ve been here. So, it’s a bit rich of you to say I’m harassing you. I take your name-calling in good stead, whereas you get all antsy about me calling you Beth. Well, that’s too bad. You’ll just have to suck it up, Beth.

  80. struth

    Cori’s not a disappointment though.
    To be disappointed you would have to have had higher expectations.

  81. Snoopy

    Nothing like a good dose of angst to start the day.

    How the Anglican Church has hardened its stance against same-sex marriage

    In the aftermath of the legalising of same-sex marriage in Australia, the Anglican Church has ramped up its discrimination against gay people to new heights.

    Australian universities which fund The Conversation clearly have too much taxpayers’ money.

  82. herodotus

    Contrary To The Last Scam Story (Episode 342,758)
    Antarctica not losing ice, gaining ice – NASA glaciologist says!
    It’d be interesting to do a quick poll of our pollies and their advisers to see how many of them really know what’s going on with da big scam and the regular disinformation put out by the zombie alarmist movement.
    Via Watts Up With That.

  83. herodotus

    Patrick Moore’s twitter feed is something that all politicians should pay attention to.

  84. thefrollickingmole

    – FBI Director James Comey said his investigative unit used some form of “wizardry” to review the content of the Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner laptop.

    Exclusive pictures snuck out of Comey at work doing his magic.

  85. herodotus

    Amazing how closely current commenter resembles former commenter.

  86. Iampeter

    I think you’re spot on joanna and I think by “privatizing the ABC” what’s meant is that it will effectively cease to exist with whatever usefull assets or technically skilled personel it has snapped up by actually profitable media businesses.

  87. Snoopy

    Like who the hell made the racist bullies at SPLC see the authority on anything?

    Facebook, Twitter, Google and Amazon.

  88. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2741275, posted on June 19, 2018 at 5:01 am

    An odd Mark Knight.

    Tom,

    thanks,

    having watched the Australia vs France Wolrd Cup Game Game on new Wall TV with Wife, Son-in-Law and Grandkids 6 & 8 (6 Tears and 4 Years{only made it ro half time})

    I could not believe home many dives the French were taking and Australia should not have received that first penalty – Australian foot struck the ball before French Guy took a dive over the top.

    I normally don’t watch Soccer as I find it boring – worst case in English Pub on weekend near Godalmang on business trip June 1996, watching England play France in European Cup Semi-Final – 90 Mins -Draw, extra 30 mins draw -then Penalty shootout – said to some guys standing nearby – “well that was Boring, shoud have had the Penalty Shootout first and saved us time”

    Still Australia Socceroos palyed an amzing game – Best of Luck to them

  89. C.L.

    Bin-rummaging tragedy ibis Clementine Ford has another ‘I hate men’ column in the SMH.
    No need to blockquote.
    She hates men and men are evil etc.

  90. Delta A

    Johannes Leak has a cracker toon in The $Oz today. Perhaps a clever Cat can post it?

  91. None

    Bin-rummaging tragedy ibis Clementine Ford 

    yep

  92. C.L.

    ABC Online running this outrage report all morning (and probably all day):

    Eurydice Dixon: Facebook trolls leave ‘vile’ comments on Melbourne vigil event page.

    ABC Online in June:
    Why US comedian Samantha Bee was angry at Ivanka Trump for tweeting a photo of her son.

    Wherein the reporter offers a detailed apologia for Bee and argues Ivanka Trump asked for it.

  93. Mother Lode

    You have links to the poems, Rae?

    I guess ‘not caring’ ain’t what it used to be.

  94. OldOzzie

    Sorry Delta second attempt to get Link Right

    OldOzzie
    #2741400, posted on June 19, 2018 at 9:27 am

    Delta A
    #2741396, posted on June 19, 2018 at 9:24 am

    Johannes Leak has a cracker toon in The $Oz today. Perhaps a clever Cat can post it?

  95. EvilElvis

    What about the idea of having term limits for ABC staff, and contractors?

    The majority of the PS should be like that.

  96. None

    How the Anglican Church has hardened its stance against same-sex marriage

    without even bothering to look up that article I would hazard a guess it’s actually a lie – there is no monolithic Anglican Church each Diocese is independent and I bet it’s only the Sydney Anglicans that they are targeting because down here there are virtually no male Anglican priests in any diocese and nearly all the female priests are lesbians. Am I warm?

  97. stackja

    CL – ABC hypocrisy. I am shocked!

  98. johanna

    The mis-named Southern Poverty Law Centre is an immensely wealthy NGO with hundreds of millions of dollars in assets, mostly held offshore. While a $3m judgement against them is a fine thing, it will not make a dent in their enormous wealth. The use of the word ‘poverty’ in their name is one of the Great Lies of our time.

    The SPLC is just one of the many outfits with deep pockets opposing Donald Trump, especially on issues like terrorism and border control. If the FBI had focused on them and their ilk instead of trying to stop Trump and then undermine him, the US would be a lot safer.

  99. C.L.

    Good on him:

    ‘Address me as Mr President’: French President Emmanuel Macron scolds teen for calling him ‘Manu’.

    He was captured on LCI television singing the words of the international socialist anthem before asking the President:

    “Ca va Manu?” — which translates as “How’s it going, Manu?”

    “No, no, you are here at an official ceremony,” Mr Macron, 40, told him sharply.

    “You can’t just behave like that.

    “You can act like a clown, but today it’s the ‘Marseillaise’ and the ‘Partisans Song’ we’re singing.

    “You address me as Mr President of the Republic or sir, ok?”

    The boy, shaggy hair falling in front of his eyes, apologised.

    “Sorry, Mr President,” the teenager said.

    Video at the link.

  100. thefrollickingmole

    On the insanity bit, heres a few Ive seen, and the crimes.

    (rape) 1: Old school acquaintance, chatting with him and he bagan talking about how he had a “diamond head” put on his V8 and other space cadet stuff, obviously no grasp of reality. Raped a poor girl a few months later, Id have no problems believing he wasnt capable of rational decisions, however the not guilty wasnt arrived at from an insanity plea. (killed himself shortly after the trial)
    (rape) 2: WAs worst rapist in a mental hospital, lost the ability to keep his thoughts to himself, spoke about how he loved little girls etc. Rational enough to keep away from me after threatened with violence, released and raped again (at least 2 separate cases), deliberately picked his victims from druggies etc as he knew from experience they would either not report the assaults or prosecutors would have hells own time keeping the case going. Definitely sane enough to plan and deliberately carry out attacks. (currently dying of liver failure in a Perth park)
    Murder 3: Brother of a lady friend, had been under treatment for mental illness and was off his meds. Broke into his fathers house and drank a lot of booze, then shot the lady across the street with his fathers rifle. Police picked him up naked outside his fathers house a few hours later trying to hack his way through the front door with a carving knife after he accidentally locked himself out. Found to be sane and convicted, went to prison for 15 or so yeas and had his dick cut off to become a woman. (did I mention it was a couple of months after Port Arthur, Im sure that had nothing to do with his railroading).

    Insanity is an awful perversion in the justice system, in all 3 of those cases the verdicts were either wrong or actually allowed a worse outcome.

  101. None

    One really does wonder what sort of pinprick beta male fathered Clementine Ford’s child this time. If he had any sense he would take his daughter, get an IVO against Ford and go for 100% custody on th grounds of toxic feminism and hate speech radicising the young child.

  102. EvilElvis

    everyone else is on drugs or cheating somehow, but not us.

    And in the year of the greatest sporting crime/tanty/schoolgirl meltdown. MSM sharing as much self awareness as their other lefty mates.

  103. Anthony

    And that’s the story of the Harry Kane!

  104. .

    What then? Confined in a secure psychiatric facility at Her Majesty’s pleasure? Certainly, he should never be released if he is unfit to face trial, he remains a danger to the public.

    Yes John, that’s what I said. I also said perhaps he should have been confined for everyone’s benefit in the first instance.

    Stop making excuses for your moral cowardice.

    You can’t compare destroying an animal for punishing a human who was actually not in control of their faculties at the time. I don ‘t think I’m making excuses agreeing with part of the prosecution submission.

    I’m not fond of using adversarial psychiatrists. Perhaps this ought to be removed from the trial and tried in a coroner’s court or a special division of the Supreme Courts with their own specialists.

    The idea that someone always gives evidence for the defence or prosecution who is not a copper seems a bit suspect to me.

  105. cohenite

    Apparently that biffo at the liberal knees up involved muzzies according to caller who listens to Jones and then rings up that old cack laws.

  106. JC

    johanna
    #2741268, posted on June 19, 2018 at 2:25 am

    Heh, been reading back and discovered that I successfully (and inadvertently) trolled JC yet again. Honestly, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

    I said that the word ‘privatisation’ in relation to TheirABC is stupid because you can’t privatise a loss making outfit with no assets except for its ‘plant, equipment and real estate.’ In jumps our chronic liar, claiming that I know nothing about finance or economics, bla bla.

    GBEs like Telstra, CSL, the Commonwealth Bank etc were able to be privatised because they were trading in the real world and making a profit. TheirABC has never traded in the real world, unless you count the ABC shops, which are hardly a goldmine and contribute next to nothing to the bottom line.

    Quite simply, the ABC loses $1.2 billion a year despite being exempt from things like payroll tax.

    …and there’s Peter, Economics and Finance graduate from Zero Hedge University.

    Iampeter
    #2741390, posted on June 19, 2018 at 9:13 am

    I think you’re spot on joanna and I think by “privatizing the ABC” what’s meant is that it will effectively cease to exist with whatever usefull assets or technically skilled personel it has snapped up by actually profitable media businesses.

    Other than the ABC stores, and selling some of their programming, Their ABC is not set up as a profit making entity because it doesn’t sell advertising nor is it on subscription. To argue that it doesn’t make money and loses $1.2 billion is a really stoopid thing to say.

    The Dutch supermodel suggests that its pay would be off the charts, as it would most certainly be an inefficient organization. However, it’s stars and I used the word very advisedly, wouldn’t be.

    If their ABC were going to be privatized, any investment banker worth his salt would advise the government to begin preparation through a 4 year plan to get it ready. By getting, it ready it would mean, to begin making it look more and more like a private institution selling ad space and or going the subscription model. Would it succeed, possibly as at least 25% of the population would support an Australian leftwing version CNN. Done right, that is cutting costs, it could very well succeed.

    Peter and Johanna.. you two idiots should stick to talking about immigration and racial stuff that you normally bring up. Stay away from finance and economics as you have absolutely no fucking idea. Both of you are dangerously illiterate when it ncomes to fiance and economics. Young kids could read the Cat and both of you could give them the wrong idea. Seriously, just STFU.

  107. None

    Oldozzie – I have tried to link to Leak’s cartoon before but it seems the Australian has blocked that possibility. The cartoons do appear in the gallery after a few days. It seems silly because if people link to the cartoon people click through to the Australian site and potentially hang around to look at other stuff. I thought that was the purpose of being online.

  108. thefrollickingmole

    Bin-rummaging tragedy ibis Clementine Ford

    Perfect description

  109. .

    The Donald is turning Starship Troopers into reality.
    Is there nothing he can’t do?

    He makes Reagan’s speech at the UN not seem as shocking.

    After you’ve listened to enough Graeme Hancock, you start thinking we should have a dedicated anti-asteroid force.

  110. Mother Lode

    One really does wonder what sort of pinprick beta male fathered Clementine Ford’s child this time.

    That might be where the ‘ibis’ reference comes from. They fossick about in garbage bins and who knows what gunk gets on their beaks.

    Land on a fence near Clem when she is in the mood for ‘a man and not a man’, a few frantic breathless callings “I don’t need a man! I don’t need a man!” later and…presto!

  111. Farmer Gez

    The ABC balanced line up for Jon Faine 774.
    National’s Bridgette Mckenzie- don’t sell the ABC.
    Trump in trouble over illegals kiddies.
    New book bagging Neo Liberalism in Aust.

  112. thefrollickingmole

    Bloody moderator!!!!
    Try again.

    On the insanity bit, heres a few Ive seen, and the crimes.

    (r**e) 1: Old school acquaintance, chatting with him and he bagan talking about how he had a “diamond head” put on his V8 and other space cadet stuff, obviously no grasp of reality. Ra**d a poor girl a few months later, Id have no problems believing he wasnt capable of rational decisions, however the not guilty wasnt arrived at from an insanity plea. (killed himself shortly after the trial)
    (r**e) 2: WAs worst rapist in a mental hospital, lost the ability to keep his thoughts to himself, spoke about how he loved little girls etc. Rational enough to keep away from me after threatened with violence, released and ra**d again (at least 2 separate cases), deliberately picked his victims from druggies etc as he knew from experience they would either not report the assaults or prosecutors would have hells own time keeping the case going. Definitely sane enough to plan and deliberately carry out attacks. (currently dying of liver failure in a Perth park)
    Murder 3: Brother of a lady friend, had been under treatment for mental illness and was off his meds. Broke into his fathers house and drank a lot of booze, then shot the lady across the street with his fathers rifle. Police picked him up naked outside his fathers house a few hours later trying to hack his way through the front door with a carving knife after he accidentally locked himself out. Found to be sane and convicted, went to prison for 15 or so yeas and had his dick cut off to become a woman. (did I mention it was a couple of months after Port Arthur, Im sure that had nothing to do with his railroading).

    Insanity is an awful perversion in the justice system, in all 3 of those cases the verdicts were either wrong or actually allowed a worse outcome.

  113. Rae

    You have links to the poems, Rae?

    Digital Native, ML. Born and raised in the technology. I can find anything I need to on the net.

    I have referred to it a number of times as your best work, as you know.

  114. Geriatric Mayfly

    One really does wonder what sort of pinprick beta male fathered Clementine Ford’s child this time. If he had any sense he would take his daughter, get an IVO against Ford and go for 100% custody

    I had thought that Ford whelped a boy. Although it would be no surprise if he has already been snipped and redesigned as something more acceptable to the dam.

  115. thefrollickingmole

    I give up, auto moderation has gone berserk.

  116. JC

    ABC Online in June:
    Why US comedian Samantha Bee was angry at Ivanka Trump for tweeting a photo of her son.

    Wherein the reporter offers a detailed apologia for Bee and argues Ivanka Trump asked for it.

    The truth. The real reason Bee abused Ivanka?

    Although not my type, Ivanka is pretty decent looking. On the other hand samantha Bee is seriously ugly and no amount of prep can change it. Admittedly, she does all she can to cover this up, but her options are very limited.
    90% of female abuse against other females always derives from this.. jealously in the looks department.

  117. stackja

    Just Cranky texting.

  118. calli

    These are the same people, principally from the ultra-conservative Diocese of Sydney, who fought tooth and nail against allowing women to be ordained clergy. In that diocese, they still do not recognise women as priests or bishops.

    They lost the battle against women. So now gays are almost obsessively in their firing line. Remember, the Diocese of Sydney gave a million dollars to the same-sex marriage “no” campaign.

    The conservatives claim their opposition to gay relationships is a matter of biblical obedience. This is based on a few ambiguous texts that most biblical scholars interpret differently.

    I highlighted the rank stupidity and contradiction for Cat’s amusement.

    The DoS won over ordination of women because they believe it disobeys the instructions given to the Church.

    On the issue of gay marriage – homosexuals have always wanted to make their opponents bend to their will, and the big scalps in the game are Catholics and evangelical Anglicans and Presbyterians. Not only comply, but bless and approve of something they know to be a sin.

    So the hate them with a passion. There will come a time when ministers and laity in these institutions will be forced to choose between man and Christ. It will come quite soon I suspect, with prison terms and threats and destruction of property.

  119. None

    Omg I hadn’t seen that bird song. It’s hilarious. And it’s so bloody Aussie. Almost made me cry from nostalgia.

  120. .

    No one said the Assembly plant should have been subsidised.
    Having that ASSEMBLY plant in Australia created way more jobs outside it’s gates than inside.
    All over taxed and over regulated.
    As was Holden itself.
    The cost of production in Australia was far too high with what the government took with one hand and the subsidies didn’t make up for it.
    Subsidies are the rediculous knee jerk reaction to problems caused by government in the fist place.
    It continues to tax business out of Australia.
    What is so hard for you to understand here , dot.

    Subsidies are mathematically an equivalent to a tariff. That’s why it is less confusing to say “protection” or “level of protection” rather than “tariffs and non-tariff barriers”. At least it is more concise. If consumers pay a tariff, this raises the price of the competition. This is not different to paying tax to subsidise the production cost of a producer.

    You’re just arguing that 3000 > 7000 now. This is rather futile.

    The cost of keeping each Holden job cost Australia more than another job elsewhere in Australia.

    At the lowest level of tariffs, Holden employed 3000 people, at the expense of 7000 jobs that were not created in Australia.

  121. None

    So Calli I was right that that article targeted the Sydney Anglicans? How predictable. The thing that these dudes don’t get it is that the one thing that makes the church stronger is persecution and you don’t want to see a mobilised church no matter how small.

  122. .

    One really does wonder what sort of pinprick beta male fathered Clementine Ford’s child this time.

    How disrespectful of men.

    Why don’t you respect men?

    That man is a father and that boy clearly needs a good role model. We ought to have him rely on our support instead of bash his ego for no reason at all.

    We can help him be a better man or we can emasculate him because he made a “mistake”. We all know how bad not having a father, father figure or good role model in a child’s upbringing (especially a boy’s life) can be.

    You sound rather callous about this. You don’t help boys by hoping that this lad’s father just gives up on his responsibilities.

    He didn’t choose his partner well, but the young man who he fathered can’t help being Clementine Ford’s son. It doesn’t matter that plenty of other women are deep down like Clementine Ford, but they hide it until they play divorce lotto.

    You need to respect men more. You need to respect women less!

  123. johanna

    Other than the ABC stores, and selling some of their programming, Their ABC is not set up as a profit making entity because it doesn’t sell advertising nor is it on subscription. To argue that it doesn’t make money and loses $1.2 billion is a really stoopid thing to say.

    The Dutch supermodel suggests that its pay would be off the charts, as it would most certainly be an inefficient organization. However, it’s stars and I used the word very advisedly, wouldn’t be.

    If their ABC were going to be privatized, any investment banker worth his salt would advise the government to begin preparation through a 4 year plan to get it ready. By getting, it ready it would mean, to begin making it look more and more like a private institution selling ad space and or going the subscription model. Would it succeed, possibly as at least 25% of the population would support an Australian leftwing version CNN. Done right, that is cutting costs, it could very well succeed.

    Oh, my sides.

    When it comes to trolling JC, I suddenly realise how The Donald feels. What a buzz!

    JC seriously suggests that TheirABC could be turned around into a moneymaking model in four years. I’ll believe that when he stakes his entire assets on it. Not holding my breath on that.

    As for dot’s fairyland imagination about how murderous psychopaths should be treated, no wonder he is studying law.

    Lex Lasry has to die sometime.

  124. .

    GBEs like Telstra, CSL, the Commonwealth Bank etc were able to be privatised because they were trading in the real world and making a profit. TheirABC has never traded in the real world, unless you count the ABC shops, which are hardly a goldmine and contribute next to nothing to the bottom line.

    Quite simply, the ABC loses $1.2 billion a year despite being exempt from things like payroll tax.

    Private equity and LBO firms make a living off buying run-down assets and rehabilitating them. It might be possible or it might just get a low market price. I doubt that it would get less than $0.

    The ABC would be perhaps be able to structure its payroll tax liabilities advantageously given the way it is spread out.

    Personally, though, I consider the ABC and SBS to be obsolete and ought to be discarded like an old head of cabbage. If someone is willing to buy it, let them have it.

  125. Roger

    without even bothering to look up that article I would hazard a guess it’s actually a lie – there is no monolithic Anglican Church each Diocese is independent and I bet it’s only the Sydney Anglicans…Am I warm?

    No; the reference is to the joint statement of Australian Anglican bishops issued in March. It applies in all dioceses.

  126. Catholic Politician Who Voted for Abortion: No I Won’t Go to Confession:

    Mary McAleese, a former president in Ireland, responded to Catholic Bishop Kevin Doran of Elphin who urged Catholics to attend confession if they voted to repeal the country’s pro-life Eighth Amendment.

    The Irish Independent reports McAleese flouted the bishop’s urging and openly touted her vote to allow the legalized killing of unborn babies in Ireland. She made the statements at a weekend conference organized by the Catholic lay group We Are Church Ireland in Dublin.

    “I had no hesitation at the end of the day when it came to the vote – I absolutely voted Yes,” McAleese told reporters at the event.

    Here’s more from the report:

    She added that, since voting, she has not gone to confession to repent her decision and has “no intention whatsoever” of doing so. …

    Asked about Bishop Doran’s stance on confession, Dr McAleese said: “These are man-made rules, these are not statements of an infallible Church.”

    She said the Yes votes in the same-sex marriage referendum and the abortion referendum by ordinary people who were baptised into that Church and are subject to the canon rules of that Church was a statement by these Catholics that their freedom of conscience trumps the curial Church’s idea of what is a mortal sin.

    No, no, the positions expressed by the Church on those issues is not ‘curial’, they are a part of the magisterial teaching of the Church because they express what has been held to be true since Apostolic times, or at the very least, in agreement with it, as expressed in the New Testament, by Church Fathers, and Doctors, Church Councils, and the like.

    As an aside, I bet you Soros is funding this ‘Catholic’ lay group We are Church Ireland just as he does the US lay group Catholics for Choice.

  127. Snoopy

    Trump in trouble over illegals kiddies.

    Curious that the media is totally unconcerned about illegal immigrant parents that leave their kids behind in some shithole.

  128. Baldrick

    But wait, there’s more …

    SOUTH Australian senator Lucy Gichuhi billed taxpayers more than $4500 to fly six family travellers to Canberra during the week she was sworn into Federal Parliament – prompting calls for a tightening of expenses.
    According to parliamentary records, Senator Gichuhi claimed three return flights from Adelaide, two from Darwin and a one-way flight from Sydney taken during the second week of May last year.
    Senator Gichuhi flew in more family members for a swearing-in than any other SA senator or MP in this session of parliament. Most asked taxpayers to foot the bill for just one family member.
    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

  129. None

    In the meantime South Australia passed laws last year to criminalise the seal of confession in Catholic churches and that law becomes enforceable from October this year and nobody bothered to tell the Catholics. I’ll have to look up the dates but it sounds to me like it was a parting gesture by the Uber evil J Weatherill and Co. I have no time for the catholic hierarchy here they are small men and small self centred men but there are hundreds of really good priests and lay workers including the young priest who has buried Catholic members of my family. It galls me but they should be forced to compromise their faith because of the actions of one or two in particular while J Weatherill has never been held to account for his oversight of a child welfare department that actively encouraged child abusers by even supplying them with drugs. Not a single person for example has been held to account for the horrendous murder of Chloe Valentine.

  130. johanna

    Another made up number from our bellwether of lies, JC:

    90% of female abuse against other females always derives from this.. jealously in the looks department.

    As we used to say in primary school: if he had half a brain, it would be lonely.

    Oops!

  131. stackja

    calli – Stalin persecuted the church. Today’s Stalinists continue the campaign.

  132. struth

    Dot, you are making a fool of yourself.
    We agree, no subsidies, no tariffs…yes we get that and get why.
    Now look at the big picture.
    Why the need to subsidies the Holden workers?
    Because government got too greedy and overtaxed and over regulated, made power too expensive, empowered unions, and for every one job inside the assembly plant there would have at least been 100 created outside it, because of it.
    The government should not subsidies the workers of Holden, we all agree.
    It created a bad business environment Australia wide, through taxing and regulating everyone of their suppliers and down to the farmers feeding them, and those supplying seed and tractors to the farmers, and those that mine the metal for the tractors etc etc etc etc.
    You can’t find and when never be able to find in your papers, the overall cost to Australia and lost business through those bad practices by government.
    Without them, and with our natural resources we could be a power house.
    Yet you focus on only part of the problem you can obtain figures for.

  133. Elle

    Alan Jones is my alarm clock. I wake to him every weekday morning. I don’t share a bed with him … he isn’t my type … not quite.

    I enjoyed a particular segment this morning where he interviews Professor James Allan.

    James comes on just before 8:00. Worth listening to from the start, in my opinion.

    https://omny.fm/shows/the-alan-jones-breakfast-show/professor-james-allen-the-ramsay-centre-and-ontari

  134. stackja

    Civil libertarians live in a dreamland.

  135. Farmer Gez

    Damien Kingsbury on Jon Faine reckons that the wire cage he has for his dog is the same as the cages that hold undocumented illegal’s kids in the US. Dog prison he calls it..profound, then again he is a professor.

  136. .

    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

    It probably is (sadly). I almost don’t care though, this is just the margins. NSW wanted to spend $1 bn plus on a sports stadium and the Federal government is over 600 bn in debt. We are indebted so heavily it will create a devastating recession in due course.

    $200k isn’t really a lot of money. That would keep government in Australia operating for about one-hundredth of a second.

  137. Snoopy

    If the ABC is sold off, the deal shouldn’t include the sale of real estate. Perpetual leases conditional upon maintaining existing use instead.

  138. Roger

    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

    Next question!

  139. .

    struth
    #2741448, posted on June 19, 2018 at 10:01 am
    Dot, you are making a fool of yourself.
    We agree, no subsidies, no tariffs…yes we get that and get why.
    Now look at the big picture.
    Why the need to subsidies the Holden workers?
    Because government got too greedy and overtaxed and over regulated, made power too expensive, empowered unions, and for every one job inside the assembly plant there would have at least been 100 created outside it, because of it.
    The government should not subsidies the workers of Holden, we all agree.
    It created a bad business environment Australia wide, through taxing and regulating everyone of their suppliers and down to the farmers feeding them, and those supplying seed and tractors to the farmers, and those that mine the metal for the tractors etc etc etc etc.
    You can’t find and when never be able to find in your papers, the overall cost to Australia and lost business through those bad practices by government.
    Without them, and with our natural resources we could be a power house.
    Yet you focus on only part of the problem you can obtain figures for.

    Every other business in Australia faced virtually the same constraints (which you partially concede). Holden was 3000 jobs, and it cost 7000 jobs elsewhere. You’re literally begging the question.

    You cannot blame business conditions and then ignore them when discussing the demise of manufacturing. I brought this up before and you made no response.

  140. max

    There will come a time when ministers and laity in these institutions will be forced to choose between man and Christ. It will come quite soon I suspect, with prison terms and threats and destruction of property.

    Yes calli, I suspect it needs to get to that point to clarify minds.

    Stand by for people setting up priests in the confessional with fake confessions of child abuse which can be taken to police. In some ways I hope they do ramp it up. The blood of martyrs etc.

  141. struth

    Just stop paying for it.
    As it is so bloody independent and a corporation within it’s own rights, it’s up to them what they do with it.
    All of a sudden, senior management of a corporation would actually have to manage.
    They’d be fucked within 24 hours, screaming and running to the hills.

    What a beautiful thought.

  142. JC

    When it comes to trolling JC, I suddenly realise how The Donald feels. What a buzz!

    Yea, Johanna is now the female, Queanbeyan version of Donald Trump. That’s the image tubby is trying to portray. I guess because he’s fat too, she’s able to peddle this comparable.

    JC seriously suggests that TheirABC could be turned around into a moneymaking model in four years.

    But I didn’t say that. A investment banker focused on media assets would advise on the time period for preparation. But yea, 4 to 5 years could be done.

    I’ll believe that when he stakes his entire assets on it. Not holding my breath on that.

    What an idiot. No one would place their entire net worth on one single bet. Another example of trolling stupidity from the dutch supermodel.

    Here’s the thing. Foxnews … I dunno, as I don’t have tome to look… it has around say 2 million viewers and makes around US$450 million a year. CNN also makes money with less viewers. Even at 12 times earnings that would make Fox worth around US$5.5 billion. Stick a mini skirt on the ABC, exercise her a bit and take away some of the flab, and it could be worth a portion of that if the investment narrative was sold right.

  143. How the Anglican Church has hardened its stance against same-sex marriage

    Oh, how surprising to see Muriel Porter author another tendentious article.

    The conservatives claim their opposition to gay relationships is a matter of biblical obedience. This is based on a few ambiguous texts that most biblical scholars interpret differently.

    Here is one of those ‘ambiguous texts’:

    “Have you not read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

    Apparently, ‘most biblical scholars interpret this to mean , Yay, for gay ‘marriage’. No, no they don’t.

  144. stackja

    Elle – AJ-JA shows MT either changes or is finished. Ego versus reality.

  145. OldOzzie

    4th and Final attempt of Johannes Leak

    None
    #2741420, posted on June 19, 2018 at 9:38 am

    Oldozzie – I have tried to link to Leak’s cartoon before but it seems the Australian has blocked that possibility

    It is frustrating – last try

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/336321209f45b7264600919684e09ff9

  146. .

    Here’s the thing. Foxnews … I dunno, as I don’t have tome to look… it has around say 2 million viewers and makes around US$450 million a year. CNN also makes money with less viewers. Even at 12 times earnings that would make Fox worth around US$5.5 billion. Stick a mini skirt on the ABC, exercise her a bit and take away some of the flab, and it could be worth a portion of that if the investment narrative was sold right.

    Dr Tattoo Remove and only acceptable piercings are nose studs. They’re cute.

  147. stackja

    DB – Bible interpretation?

  148. JC

    johanna
    #2741446, posted on June 19, 2018 at 10:00 am

    Another made up number from our bellwether of lies, JC:

    90% of female abuse against other females always derives from this.. jealously in the looks department.

    As we used to say in primary school: if he had half a brain, it would be lonely.

    Oops!

    I wasn’t going to mention it, although most people would be more than aware. Johanna’s attacks on Elizabeth have been do with jealousy and regret. That’s my take. It’s been so viscerally emotional, so intense, catty and so abusive that it could only be see in this way.

    It’s the Cat’s version of Bee/ Ivanka 🙂

    I’d welcome other views on this too.

    But as i said, I really didn’t want to make this observation until DS (Dutch Supermodel) forced it.

  149. struth

    Every other business in Australia faced virtually the same constraints (which you partially concede).

    I don’t partially concede, I fully state that.
    Every business did and still does face an over regulating and over taxing socialist fuck up of a government.

    You cannot blame business conditions and then ignore them when discussing the demise of manufacturing.

    FMD, are you trolling?

    The demise of manufacturing was and is caused by bad business conditions in place by government.

    Holden was 3000 jobs, and it cost 7000 jobs elsewhere. You’re literally begging the question

    Yes I certainly am.
    The question being, what question am I begging, and why can’t you seem to construct a sentence when you are flummoxed?

  150. OldOzzie

    CUT & PASTE
    Oscar for ignoring rape and paedophilia goes to … Hollywood

    Their Vidal! Martin McKenzie-Murray, The Saturday Paper, June 16:

    (Rozanna) Lilley is the youngest child of the late Dorothy Hewett, the radical left-wing … feminist poet, playwright and novelist … Before … (she) had reached the age of consent … (she) had been assaulted many times … (by her mother’s friends including) Labor speechwriter Bob Ellis. … at a Labor fundraiser … a former party secretary … (said Ellis was) “Our Vidal” … Had Ellis been a right-wing polemicist, his slander, kooky theories and serially inaccurate forecasts would not have been overlooked or dismissed as charming eccentricities. I suspect the same holds for his lechery.

    Not their Vidal. John Ferguson and Tessa Akerman, The Australian, May 1:

    Cardinal Pell has been committed to stand trial on historical sex charges ….

    Vidal. Emma Brockes, The Guardian, September 19, 2013:

    Samantha Geimer, aged 13, drugged and anally raped by Roman Polanski at Jack Nicholson’s house, said … (in Hollywood) “my mum and I (were) the monsters” … liars and gold-diggers. Gore Vidal (darling of the left) called her a hooker. “It was terrible and unwarranted, but not shocking.”

    Their Bob Ellis. Ellis, ABC’s The Drum, July 4, 2011:

    Why are deeds long common at office Christmas parties used by women to ruin good men’s careers? … Roman Polanski … made no more Hollywood films, and despite his evident genius was blocked, harassed and menaced for 35 years and faces jail in his 80s … Are men too harshly treated for what men have always done, trying it on, attempting foreplay, rolling bedroom eyes and murmuring lewdly … should they be ruined … for what, in my day, occurred in drive-in theatres every night … it is not fair.

    Their Tarantino. Staff writers, news.com.au, February 8:

    (In) Tarantino’s 2003 interview … (he claims Samantha Geimer) was never raped … she “wanted it” … The backlash against Tarantino came after Uma Thurman claimed the director “tried to kill her” … (and) his friend Harvey Weinstein covered it up.

    Fawning over rapists? Evgenia Peretz, Vanity Fair, September 2009:

    French (leftist) minister of culture Frederic Mitterrand was “dumbfounded” by Polanski’s arrest … (Philosopher) Bernard Henri-Levy posted (a) petition protesting … Among its signees were actresses Isabelle Hubert and Isabelle Adjani … What’s with all the gals fawning over a rapist? It reminds me of all the feminists in the 90s running themselves ragged to defend Bill Clinton … something tells me they wouldn’t be so righteously indignant over the arrest of some doofus NFL player.

    The elephant in the screening room. Megan Garber, The Atlantic, May 3:

    (Last October, the Academy expelled Harvey Weinstein) “to send a message that the era of wilful ignorance … is over” … The elephant in the screening room … (was) Polanski … (he) has been defended by … Martin Scorsese … Debra Winger … (and) ironically — Harvey Weinstein … (who said) “whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time” … Today, though (the Academy expelled Polanski) … (he) is appealing that tiniest measure of accountability … And … retains that … icon of gilded Hollywood status: his Oscar.

  151. Delta A

    Well done, OldOzzie! 🙂

    Thank you.

  152. Roger

    $200k isn’t really a lot of money.

    It’s what we require a pensioner who’s worked all her life and paid taxes to live on for c. 8 years.

  153. .

    You’re not making sense struth.

    Holden employed 3000 people.

    Each job was subsidised to the level that it cost 7000 jobs elsewhere in Australia.

    The evidence is there, you just don’t like it.

  154. struth

    Persistence paid off old ozzie!!

  155. JC

    I’ll take a look at the ABC balance sheet a later as I have to go out.

  156. OldOzzie

    2nd Try

    CUT & PASTE
    Oscar for ignoring rape and paedophilia goes to … Hollywood

    Their Vidal! Martin McKenzie-Murray, The Saturday Paper, June 16:

    (Rozanna) Lilley is the youngest child of the late Dorothy Hewett, the radical left-wing … feminist poet, playwright and novelist … Before … (she) had reached the age of consent … (she) had been assaulted many times … (by her mother’s friends including) Labor speechwriter Bob Ellis. … at a Labor fundraiser … a former party secretary … (said Ellis was) “Our Vidal” … Had Ellis been a right-wing polemicist, his slander, kooky theories and serially inaccurate forecasts would not have been overlooked or dismissed as charming eccentricities. I suspect the same holds for his lechery.

    Not their Vidal. John Ferguson and Tessa Akerman, The Australian, May 1:

    Cardinal Pell has been committed to stand trial on historical sex charges ….

    Vidal. Emma Brockes, The Guardian, September 19, 2013:

    Samantha Geimer, aged 13, drugged and anally raped by Roman Polanski at Jack Nicholson’s house, said … (in Hollywood) “my mum and I (were) the monsters” … liars and gold-diggers. Gore Vidal (darling of the left) called her a hooker. “It was terrible and unwarranted, but not shocking.”

    Their Bob Ellis. Ellis, ABC’s The Drum, July 4, 2011:

    Why are deeds long common at office Christmas parties used by women to ruin good men’s careers? … Roman Polanski … made no more Hollywood films, and despite his evident genius was blocked, harassed and menaced for 35 years and faces jail in his 80s … Are men too harshly treated for what men have always done, trying it on, attempting foreplay, rolling bedroom eyes and murmuring lewdly … should they be ruined … for what, in my day, occurred in drive-in theatres every night … it is not fair.

    Their Tarantino. Staff writers, news.com.au, February 8:

    (In) Tarantino’s 2003 interview … (he claims Samantha Geimer) was never raped … she “wanted it” … The backlash against Tarantino came after Uma Thurman claimed the director “tried to kill her” … (and) his friend Harvey Weinstein covered it up.

    Fawning over rapists? Evgenia Peretz, Vanity Fair, September 2009:

    French (leftist) minister of culture Frederic Mitterrand was “dumbfounded” by Polanski’s arrest … (Philosopher) Bernard Henri-Levy posted (a) petition protesting … Among its signees were actresses Isabelle Hubert and Isabelle Adjani … What’s with all the gals fawning over a rapist? It reminds me of all the feminists in the 90s running themselves ragged to defend Bill Clinton … something tells me they wouldn’t be so righteously indignant over the arrest of some doofus NFL player.

    The elephant in the screening room. Megan Garber, The Atlantic, May 3:

    (Last October, the Academy expelled Harvey Weinstein) “to send a message that the era of wilful ignorance … is over” … The elephant in the screening room … (was) Polanski … (he) has been defended by … Martin Scorsese … Debra Winger … (and) ironically — Harvey Weinstein … (who said) “whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time” … Today, though (the Academy expelled Polanski) … (he) is appealing that tiniest measure of accountability … And … retains that … icon of gilded Hollywood status: his Oscar.

  157. OldOzzie

    3rd Try

    CUT & PASTE
    Oscar for ignoring rape and paedophilia goes to … Hollywood

    Their Vidal! Martin McKenzie-Murray, The Saturday Paper, June 16:

    (Rozanna) Lilley is the youngest child of the late Dorothy Hewett, the radical left-wing … feminist poet, playwright and novelist … Before … (she) had reached the age of consent … (she) had been assaulted many times … (by her mother’s friends including) Labor speechwriter Bob Ellis. … at a Labor fundraiser … a former party secretary … (said Ellis was) “Our Vidal” … Had Ellis been a right-wing polemicist, his slander, kooky theories and serially inaccurate forecasts would not have been overlooked or dismissed as charming eccentricities. I suspect the same holds for his lechery.

    Not their Vidal. John Ferguson and Tessa Akerman, The Australian, May 1:

    Cardinal Pell has been committed to stand trial on historical sex charges ….

    Vidal. Emma Brockes, The Guardian, September 19, 2013:

    Samantha Geimer, aged 13, drugged and anally raped by Roman Polanski at Jack Nicholson’s house, said … (in Hollywood) “my mum and I (were) the monsters” … liars and gold-diggers. Gore Vidal (darling of the left) called her a hooker. “It was terrible and unwarranted, but not shocking.”

    Their Bob Ellis. Ellis, ABC’s The Drum, July 4, 2011:

    Why are deeds long common at office Christmas parties used by women to ruin good men’s careers? … Roman Polanski … made no more Hollywood films, and despite his evident genius was blocked, harassed and menaced for 35 years and faces jail in his 80s … Are men too harshly treated for what men have always done, trying it on, attempting foreplay, rolling bedroom eyes and murmuring lewdly … should they be ruined … for what, in my day, occurred in drive-in theatres every night … it is not fair.

    Their Tarantino. Staff writers, news.com.au, February 8:

    (In) Tarantino’s 2003 interview … (he claims Samantha Geimer) was never raped … she “wanted it” … The backlash against Tarantino came after Uma Thurman claimed the director “tried to kill her” … (and) his friend Harvey Weinstein covered it up.

    Fawning over rapists? Evgenia Peretz, Vanity Fair, September 2009:

    French (leftist) minister of culture Frederic Mitterrand was “dumbfounded” by Polanski’s arrest … (Philosopher) Bernard Henri-Levy posted (a) petition protesting … Among its signees were actresses Isabelle Hubert and Isabelle Adjani … What’s with all the gals fawning over a rapist? It reminds me of all the feminists in the 90s running themselves ragged to defend Bill Clinton … something tells me they wouldn’t be so righteously indignant over the arrest of some doofus NFL player.

    The elephant in the screening room. Megan Garber, The Atlantic, May 3:

    (Last October, the Academy expelled Harvey Weinstein) “to send a message that the era of wilful ignorance … is over” … The elephant in the screening room … (was) Polanski … (he) has been defended by … Martin Scorsese … Debra Winger … (and) ironically — Harvey Weinstein … (who said) “whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time” … Today, though (the Academy expelled Polanski) … (he) is appealing that tiniest measure of accountability … And … retains that … icon of gilded Hollywood status: his Oscar.

  158. struth

    Each job was subsidised to the level that it cost 7000 jobs elsewhere in Australia.

    Each private sector job has been taxed and regulated that a million or more good private sector jobs manufacturing things have vanished and you don’t know how many more may have been created if government wasn’t as it is here.
    You can’t put a figure on potential lost.
    We are arguing about what come first.
    The economic chicken or egg.
    Why did the government (wrongly) decide it needed to subsidise the workers of one ASSEMBLY plant?

  159. DB – Bible interpretation?

    Stackja, verses can be read intenlligently, but you can’t make one say what it expressly doesn’t say, or could not even charitably say.

  160. struth

    I’ve got things to do today.
    Can we end this lesson soon, dot?

    I’ll try to explain taking in the whole picture to you again soon.
    I promise.

  161. .

    You can’t put a figure on potential lost.

    Yes, you can. The cost of subsidies divided by average wages. You can probably scale it back to include on-costs.

    Why did the government (wrongly) decide it needed to subsidise the workers of one ASSEMBLY plant?

    Unions, mercantilism and Keynes.

  162. BTW, props to the Anglicans for their resolution in March. Let us hope they keep to it.

  163. .

    struth
    #2741480, posted on June 19, 2018 at 10:25 am
    I’ve got things to do today.
    Can we end this lesson soon, dot?

    I’ll try to explain taking in the whole picture to you again soon.
    I promise.

    I’ll enjoy watching you stick a fork in a socket. Fortunately, many places have RCDs these days.

  164. areff

    Damian Kingsbury …. then again he is a professor.

    And a former Age reporter. ’nuff said.

  165. Dr Faustus

    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

    It probably is (sadly). I almost don’t care though, this is just the margins.

    Yes, it probably is.
    I do care though. The exact same thought processes that allow these fuckers to twinkle-toe through the rules to their own advantage have delivered us our $600 bn debt with very little to show for it:

    It’s not the right thing to do, but it helps me, and I can rationalise why I did it.

  166. .

    90% of female abuse against other females always derives from this.. jealously in the looks department.

    It’s like Gene Simmons said in the Decline of Western Civilisation Vol II:

    Who is buying women’s magazines? It ain’t us men!

  167. stackja

    DB – Bible interpretation manipulation seems common today. Genesis plainly mentions wrongs.

  168. Elle

    That should be Allen not Allan.

    stackja, “Team Turnbull” have to change, but we know they won’t.

    As JA said “Trump does stuff”. Turnbull ain’t no Trump though. Turnbull is as weak as urine.

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    Two people are dead after one or more assailants armed with automatic weapons opened fire at people outside an Internet cafe in the southern city of Malmoe, Swedish police say.

    And there was Monty trying to reach out to us Cats. I hope he remains unscathed.

  170. Confused Old Misfit

    Yes, you could take the assets and some of the talent (mostly technical) and make something out of this in 4 to 5 years.
    But it would not be “Your ABC as we know it, Jim”. and “SBS … attempt no landing there!” The only way is to take off and nuke it from orbit. It would have to be an entirely different animal.
    But, as long as it avoided trying to be a bastion of Australian culture, there is a possibility that it could be made into a commercially viable content producer.
    I’d look at it for $1, but the gummint would have to retain its pension and any other liabilities.

  171. stackja

    Elle – LNP have a choice. MT or disaster.

  172. struth

    You are a typical bookworm.
    All those other businesses that supply Holdens, could not supply at bthe most competitive rate because they were taxed too much.
    Those supplying the suppliers were taxed too much.
    Those supplying the suppliers supplying the suppliers were taxed too much.

    Then adding power costs and competition busting regulation to the entire chain of supply (look up chain of supply) and to the ASSEMBLY plant, Holden (general motors) find it too costly to do business here.
    Ignorant to what caused the mess in the first place, with a media only concerned with union jobs about to be lost at the factory, government subsidises the wages of the spoilt lazy union pricks in the factory.
    What was the real problem, dot?

  173. Roger

    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

    And if it isn’t she’ll pay it back out of her tax payer funded salary, which is about 3 times what the average South Australian earns…if they have a job, that is, in that de-industrialised state blighted by idiot politicians.

  174. Dot;

    You can’t compare destroying an animal for punishing a human who was actually not in control of their faculties at the time. I don ‘t think I’m making excuses agreeing with part of the prosecution submission.

    Bullshit you can’t Dot.
    My way we end up with a dead victim/murderer, your way we end up with dead victim/live murderer who will most likely do it again when he’s pronounced cured.
    For Christs sake, dot, look at the examples in the past. It keeps on happening when idiot Leftwing/libertarians get their hooks into the legal process.
    You need to go to the next murder victims site and just think about what their last moments were.

    Bugger this, I’ve better things to do than your hairsplitting, goal post shifting, infantile process you call argument, when all it is is a facade of smug so you can virtue preen with the yoof.
    I’m out of here.

  175. Elle

    stackya – true – I would rather MT than a union thug.

  176. .

    All those other businesses that supply Holdens, could not supply at bthe most competitive rate because they were taxed too much.

    The main one was the AMWU.

    What was the real problem, dot?

    Union greed – and the fact that Australian labour is too skilled generally to work on low skill, assembly manufacture.

    Those supplying the suppliers were taxed too much.
    Those supplying the suppliers supplying the suppliers were taxed too much.

    The solution isn’t to give the last producer a huge subsidy. That’s the same as a tariff (another tax) on the end user.

  177. Elle

    I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel though.

  178. H B Bear

    A spokesman for Senator Gichuhi said on Sunday the office was confident that all of the travel was in line with the rules.

    Ah yes, The Rules. The last refuge for a scoundrel. AKA the Thommo Defence.

  179. stackja

    GM – reportedly gangsters, but usual suspects?

  180. DB – Bible interpretation manipulation seems common today.

    It is for people pushing a political agenda, like Muriel Porter.

  181. stackja

    Elle – trains heading in tunnel?

  182. stackja

    DB – MP agenda sounds silly.

  183. .

    Winston

    He might be faking it and the jury might rightly declare he’s fit to stand trial.

    My problem is with the legal system, and what we’ve done with mental illness since the 1970s.

    1. I don’t like the M’Naghten rules.
    2. The idea of defence witnesses always giving evidence that someone is mentally ill and unfit to stand trial does not sit well with me, nor does prosecution witnesses doing the opposite.
    3. I know people are very angry about what the accused did, I am aware that people on this blog may know some of the victims. I am trying to be sensitive and respectful.
    4. I don’t agree “in a just world” you deny people due process.
    5. I would have nothing against executing a mass murderer if they were sane and had overwhelming evidence against them, and were given due process.
    6. I think he is mentally ill and should have been locked up in the first instance before any of this happened.
    7. There is nothing fair, just or worthy about shifting the burden of caring for the truly crazy from mental sanitariums to a prison system.
    8. I think maybe fitness to stand trial would be better handled by a separate division to a trial court, and that perhaps something like or using coroners might be a good way to deal with this. It would remove the incentives at 2. I am not comfortable with.

  184. DB – MP agenda sounds silly.

    Because it is silly.

  185. johanna

    Elle – thanks for the link to Alan Jones above. Well worth a listen. I particularly enjoyed when Prof James Allan described the typical government response as being writing a strong letter to the Times.

    Yup, as Agatha Christie mentioned, the don’t know a thing about India.

  186. stackja

    Civil libertarians closed many mental health facilities. What could possibly go wrong?

  187. Anne

    SPACE FORCE!

    Trump is setting the stage to reveal the Earth is flat.

    I love it!

  188. Senile Old Guy

    LNP:

    A senior Liberal Party powerbroker has launched a tirade against his party for its failure to get women into parliament. Victorian party president Michael Kroger says it’s embarrassing and it’s time for the party to take action. “We have failed to get an appropriate number of women in, failed badly,” he told 7.30.

    What is an”appropriate” number? And this is the big issue that the LNP should pursue? Record debt; no biggie. Immigration out of control. Violent thugs on the loose in Victoria. But, hey, we don’t have an”appropriate” number of women in parliament. The LNP is an embarrassment.

  189. stackja

    2GB reports Qantas plane struck by lightning.

  190. Baldrick

    Trump is setting the stage to reveal the Earth is flat.

    There’s bigger news happening than that Anne.

  191. struth

    The main one was the AMWU.

    Wrong……………………………..
    The people that produced Holdens in Australia were outside the gate in their hundreds per Holden worker inside the gate.
    And they were not subsidised.
    They were overtaxed.
    Working in everything from upholstery for the seats, to shock absorbers and glass manufacturers.
    There’s thousands of parts to each car, manufactured outside the ASSEMBLY plant and transported in by trucks in “just on time” deliveries.
    Again, we all agree subsidising the ASSEMBLY plant workers is not the way to keep manufacturing in Australia, and nowhere have I said that.
    Thousands more people were indirectly employed by Holdens per every worker inside their gate.
    Especially if you consider just the increased trade of the non direct suppliers.
    None of whom were subsidised.
    All of which were overtaxed.
    We need to produce things to be wealthy.
    We need to make things.
    Trump gets it.
    I get it.
    You’re happy to see an industry of mostly unsubsidised private sector manufacturers in their thousands, outside a union gate, go down due to parasitic government, and only see the subsidies as the issue.
    This is exactly what I mean about not taking in the whole picture.
    Subsidies bad
    Tariff bad
    Yes we get that dot.
    Over taxing and over regulating a nation of suppliers, and the overseas investors (GM) may have had something to do with it as well.
    Very much more than your excited theory driven tunnel vision seems to allow you to take in.

  192. struth

    Now I really do have to go.

  193. johanna

    Just opend my latest energy bill, $887.

    How do the Saving The Planet mob expect punters to pay for their vanities?

  194. .

    Anne

    If the earth is flat, then why don’t ICBMs follow a purely parabolic path?

    They are programmed to follow an elliptical flight path. The locus of a parabola is stretched by the focus being a circle/sphere.

    Here is the maths. It is only high school/early university.

    http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ICBM.pdf

  195. C.L.

    In the meantime South Australia passed laws last year to criminalise the seal of confession in Catholic churches and that law becomes enforceable from October this year and nobody bothered to tell the Catholics.

    Who gives a shit?
    No priest is going to take any notice anyway.
    This in a state whose former Premier, Mike Rann, financed and associated with child r-apist Bob Ellis. Where are the journalists asking Rann what he knew and when?

    PREMIER Mike Rann’s close friend Bob Ellis has been paid more than $150,000 to write speeches for him since he came to power in 2002, despite Mr Rann having a full-time speechwriter on staff.

    Documents obtained from the Premier’s office under Freedom of Information laws reveal the payments from the taxpayer to Mr Ellis, for 137 speeches and 53 “messages” written for Mr Rann over five years, from March 2002 until June 2007.

    Author Bob Ellis is maker of the documentary Run Rabbit Run, a look at how Mr Rann won his landslide 2006 election victory.

    Sydney-based Mr Ellis, a long-time friend and stalwart of Mr Rann’s, read a poem at the Premier’s wedding last year.

  196. Leigh Lowe

    stackja

    #2741518, posted on June 19, 2018 at 11:05 am

    2GB reports Qantas plane struck by lightning.

    God’s vengeance on the gay leprechaun.

  197. Elle

    stackja! I’m about to hop on a flight! I hate flying. I fear the landing more than anything. I imagine the plane bouncing off the runway as it lands and then blowing up. Luckily I have valium in my handbag. Weather is shite here in Sydney. Hopefully the flight is postponed.

  198. Old School Conservative

    Baldrick
    #2741444, posted on June 19, 2018 at 9:58 am
    But wait, there’s more …

    SOUTH Australian senator Lucy Gichuhi billed taxpayers more than $4500 to fly six family travellers to Canberra during the week she was sworn into Federal Parliament

    The biggest issue here is how quickly a brand new Senator found a way to drain the taxpayers.
    Her first official action is to trump the previous record of family fly-in “allowances”.
    She must have had excellent advice from staff and other politicians in “interpreting” the official guidelines. ie they are all in on the gravy train lurks.

    Pay them all a flat rate of $250,000 and let the ATO determine what are work-related expenses. She could then have paid for the family members herself.

  199. Fat Tony

    Dot
    Every other business in Australia faced virtually the same constraints (which you partially concede). Holden was 3000 jobs, and it cost 7000 jobs elsewhere. You’re literally begging the question.

    Dot – since those 3000 Holden jobs are now gone, can you tell me where the 7000 jobs are?

  200. Mother Lode

    How do the Saving The Planet mob expect punters to pay for their vanities?

    The $887 is them expecting you to pay for their vanities.

  201. struth

    I had a bad bush landing the other day in Arnhem Land.
    The young pilot even apologised for the landing.
    Which one? I asked.

    Bloody hell.
    I must go.

  202. None

    Oh Elle. It must be awful. All I can recommend is some deep breathing and focus on pleasant thoughts. It is sometimes worth telling the hosties that you’re nervous about flying; they’re pretty good about keeping an eye on people like that and providing some welcome distraction.I hope your trip is smooth and uneventful.

  203. Elle

    Johanna, glad you enjoyed the link.

    Re the power bill. The only way I can manage it is with one of the payment plan options they have. I’m not good with budgeting, so I pay fortnightly. It’s not a lot. I live on my own though, so don’t use a lot. Still rediculous though.

  204. .

    The people that produced Holdens in Australia were outside the gate in their hundreds per Holden worker inside the gate.

    They cost more jobs than what they took.

    And they were not subsidised.

    How can you claim inter-industry multipliers but not indirect subsidies?

    They were overtaxed.

    We are all overtaxed. Adding another layer of taxation (tariffs amounting to subsidies) does not help to reduce the burden.

    There’s thousands of parts to each car, manufactured outside the ASSEMBLY plant and transported in by trucks in “just on time” deliveries.

    You’re supposing there was an inter-industry multiplier, but ignoring the cost side of this (say, more expensive cars making agriculture or taxis more costly to operate) as well as ignoring the lost income of both the jobs lost in subsidising holden, and any inter-industry effects these hitherto potential jobs may have had. In effect, you’re double counting.

    Especially if you consider just the increased trade of the non direct suppliers.
    None of whom were subsidised.

    All this means is that Holden had a much higher EFFECTIVE rate of protection (look it up). This would explain why a “low” tariff cost so many more jobs than it “protected”.

    All of which were overtaxed.

    We all are.

    We need to produce things to be wealthy.
    We need to make things.

    Subsidising Holden reduced potential output. It made us less wealthy.

    You’re happy to see an industry of mostly unsubsidised private sector manufacturers in their thousands, outside a union gate, go down due to parasitic government, and only see the subsidies as the issue.

    I’m happy if we stop subsidising loss-making businesses because that destroys more jobs than it protects. I mentioned a series of (mostly) macroeconomic business conditions that you and Mark from M ignored, that better explain downturn than reducing tariffs.

  205. Stimpson J. Cat

    Are you saying someone, who is let’s say in a state of florid psychosis, can’t do anything “rational”?
    I can’t understand how they can do anything at all then. You sort of have to concentrate to even sit up straight.

    I call it “practice” and “discipline ” and “copy what the sane people are doing”.
    Stupid sane people Jesus Christ.

  206. rickw

    Two people are dead after one or more assailants armed with automatic weapons opened fire at people outside an Internet cafe in the southern city of Malmoe, Swedish police say.

    How’s that gun control working out for you?

    When the jihadi’s tried this in Texas the result was a little different.

  207. Who gives a shit?
    No priest is going to take any notice anyway.

    This is true. The intent and the hypocrisy should be noted, as you say.

  208. Elle

    None, I’m quite the dramatic one. Have been known to have strangers sitting next to me hold my hand as we come in to land. Deep breathing helps – that and a G&T … and a valium. 🙃

  209. Senile Old Guy

    I hate flying. I fear the landing more than anything.

    I did flight training for four seater, single engine planes. It was the take off the instructor, and I, worried about.

  210. None

    Old school I just pay them their flat salary of $200,000. No other job provides perks for people to cart their wives and lovers around much less fly in their family for birthdays. To hell with them. $200000 is an exorbitant amount of money to pay for that unrepresentative swill. This swill, in this case Lucy claims not only to be a lawyer but is also a senator who is charged with reviewing legislatio. And yet she can’t understand a simple regulation? I put it to you that she does indeed understand simple regulations and she’s just there to milk it for what it’s worth I say it again: Lucy and her husband will make Nigerian scammers look like Mother Teresa.
    It is quite clear that the Libs wanted this tax hoover to join them so that they could give her the third spot on the SA senate ticket and keep conservatives out. That is exactly what has happened so unless she’s removed from that spot or long-suffering Liberal voters in South Australia vote below the line, this woman has her teeth family clamped on the public teat. That’s the contempt she has for the public and that’s also the contempt that the Liberals have for the public. Both need to be turfed out. And in an ideal world she should be facing criminal charges.

  211. Snoopy

    I had a bad bush landing the other day in Arnhem Land.
    The young pilot even apologised for the landing.

    Of course he was young. An experienced pilot would never apologise for a landing everyone walks away from.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    PREMIER Mike Rann’s close friend Bob Ellis has been paid more than $150,000 to write speeches for him since he came to power in 2002, despite Mr Rann having a full-time speechwriter on staff.

    Documents obtained from the Premier’s office under Freedom of Information laws reveal the payments from the taxpayer to Mr Ellis, for 137 speeches and 53 “messages” written for Mr Rann over five years, from March 2002 until June 2007.

    Bob Carr also had Ellis on the payroll as late as 2013 when he was Foreign Minister in a similar role (nondescript speech-writing), when Ellis was over 70 years old..
    It didn’t seem that he did any actual work (probably just gave him a pass to Parliament House so he could harass the young women).
    It seemed that Ellis was always short of a dollar, and desperate to pick up a lazy earner here and there, right up to his dying day.
    After a lifetime on the public teat, what did he spend his money on?
    Clothes? Nup.
    Booze? A bit, but I think he was more a $5.99/litre Aldi drinker rather than $100 /bottle Bordeaux.
    Just wasted it? Probably. He’s Whitlam era Labor after all.
    However, since the pee-do stories came out, I began to wonder if he had been paying off a few victims here and there.

  213. Snoopy

    It was the take off the instructor, and I, worried about.

    That’s the bit that may not happen. Once you get airborne a landing is a certainty.

  214. None

    Elle -a G&T never goes astray. And I trust you to pick the best looking stranger to sit next to. Hopefully he will also be a good conversationalist. If you are going to hold hands you might as well maximise the opportunities. 😊 We expect a full report about your chivalrous neighbour so that we can remind ourselves once again that yes there are really good people in the world.

  215. Top Ender

    Starship Troopers was a fine book, albeit a bit cliched in the steely-eyed killer department.

    The movie was bollocks.

    Thank you.

  216. .

    It is quite clear that the Libs wanted this tax hoover to join them so that they could give her the third spot on the SA senate ticket and keep conservatives out. That is exactly what has happened so unless she’s removed from that spot or long-suffering Liberal voters in South Australia vote below the line, this woman has her teeth family clamped on the public teat. That’s the contempt she has for the public and that’s also the contempt that the Liberals have for the public. Both need to be turfed out.

    I did say the Green-LNP/Antony Green backed changes to Senate voting was absolutely awful.

    Now we have to live with it. Outside of a double dissolution, minor parties may be ground into dust until we have ALP, GRN and LNP only.

    Their proportion of valid votes compared to the total electorate (considering informal votes and voter turnout) is only 67.66% (last Senate election).

    Given that we have compulsory voting, nearly one-third of the population don’t want to be represented by these parties in a multi-party Upper House, yet it is possible they’re going to get 100% or close to that of the seats in the future, as they fund themselves with votes (to prevent “American style” elections, ostensibly).

    Malcolm’s “reforms” have signed into law a future ALP-GRN alliance that will make Gillard-Brown seem like a minor hiccup.

    It was entirely initiated to prevent the LDP, ACP and ALA from getting a foothold. “Systems are resistant to change” – the Liberals did not want to be forced back to actual liberalism and actual conservatism.

  217. Shy Ted

    One really does wonder what sort of pinprick beta male fathered Clementine Ford’s child this time. There was a pic of them both a little while back. If you didn’t see it, just imagine a fat Ron Jeremy. I didn’t know which one to feel sorry for. I suspect the pic is on Google somewhere but you might break the internet if you search for it.

  218. Old School Conservative

    None
    #2741544, posted on June 19, 2018 at 11:28 am
    Old school I just pay them their flat salary of $200,000.

    My figure of $250,000 was plucked from the air, based on my guesstimate of salary, printing expenses, travel allowance, and living away from home expenses totalling about $300,000.
    I advocate cuts to politicians’ remuneration. The amount of the cuts makes for an interesting debate.

  219. cohenite

    The second flinders street terrorist, noori was a muslim; the first finders street terrorist, gargasoulas, was a muslim. Mental health is irrelevant. Both acted according to isis directions. islam is responsible for these acts; who in their right mind blows themselves and others up? Who drives down pedestrians in a mall? The answer is muslims following Islamic instructions: purpose, commitment and control were all in display. The whole discussion about mental health is irrelevant; the court process like everything else in this forsaken nation ignores islam and seeks to mask islam with irrelevancies like mental health.

  220. stackja

    ALP immortality. I am shocked!

  221. egg_

    Holden employed 3000 people.

    Strange that Toyota and their bots folded soon after.

  222. Planned Parenthood Have No Shame.

    That would have to be the case given what they do.

  223. struth

    The car manufacturing industry was mostly overtaxed (we all are) private sector businesses.
    The cost of doing anything in Australia became too great because of this.
    We could not compete with overseas countries with more business friendly governments.
    the government WRONGLY applied tariffs and subsidies to try to avert the disaster it had caused by not getting it’s hands out of pockets and regulating too much.
    Once you get to that stage it’s all over.
    That’s just an overtaxing socialist government trying to pick winners.
    All I am asking you to do is see the government disaster visited upon this industry before the extra disaster of Tariffs and subsidies (all government) applied.

  224. stackja

    cohenite – Islam mental problem?

  225. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Damning IG report drops.

    Highly skilled unicorn spotters focus on longstanding border policy instead.

    Well played, JournoList.

  226. cohenite

    The movie was bollocks.

    Seriously? I thought it was a hoot: tongue firmly up the lovely cheeks of Dina Meyer. And Heinlein’s premise wasn’t completely lost: citizenship must be earned; pity there wasn’t more of that around today.

  227. egg_

    Just opend my latest energy bill, $887.

    Off to Demand Management Boot Camp!

  228. Snoopy

    The answer is muslims following Islamic instructions: purpose, commitment and control were all in display.

    Including Gargasoulas giving the ISIS salute.

  229. None

    Oh my gosh Shy Ted you are right. And I stand corrected she did have a boy not a girl which makes it worse. In fact it gives more reason to have the child removed. A woman who hates men and males so much cannot possibly be trusted with a male child.

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