Monday Forum: August 6, 2018

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1,493 Responses to Monday Forum: August 6, 2018

  1. C.L.

    I had hoped to end my little rant with something witty of profound but, I am so utterly disheartened at the future for this country I can’t think of anything to say.

    It’s not about the states or Federation, Bruce.
    It’s all about the media. The media in this country are 98 percent hard left. They deliberately destroy alternative (I mean sane) voices, mock them, stalk and humiliate them – even set them up for flimsy charges, sacking and bankruptcy. The population watches this happen and dutifully absorbs the lesson: do not to cause ‘trouble’ by questioning the hard-left agenda. More: they learn to give up dearly held ideas or beliefs when these are at stark variance with the hard left’s program. They have even come to see their giving up as virtuous.

  2. So lets ditch the Commonwealth of Australia and have the Ununited States of Australia.

    Please. Some competition would work wonders.

    Van Dieman’s Land would be quickly annexed by one of the larger states. (as an excellent waste disposal area).

  3. Old School Conservative

    They are hi vis bulletproof vests

    So sharpshooters don’t miss?

  4. Elle

    My colleagues wear them.

  5. C.L.

    Only rarely do I go into bat for somebody who has committed an assault.
    I honestly believe Gaff was riled by Brayshaw (who was cheating – is that right??) and the two of them were doing the handbags at 40 paces thing before Gaff let go a pretty weak hook meant for Brayshaw’s torso. By accident, it hit him square in the mouth – one of only about 27 accurate punches in the history of football fights. That said, Gaff is still liable for that unlucky punch.

    I see Frank Galbally is now calling for the police to get involved.
    What a country.

  6. Elle

    Well, if you’re in NSW, sharpshooters, in some cases (Man Haron Monis), aren’t permitted to shoot.

  7. If we ditch the Feds, can we have a new coat of arms for confederation of states?

    I vote for a dingo rogering a dead (roadkill) roo.

    A symbolic representation of what government has done to the Australian peasant.

  8. I honestly believe Gaff was riled by Brayshaw (who was cheating – is that right??) and the two of them were doing the handbags at 40 paces thing before Gaff let go a pretty weak hook meant for Brayshaw’s torso. By accident, it hit him square in the mouth – one of only about 27 accurate punches in the history of football fights. That said, Gaff is still liable for that unlucky punch.

    You pretty much see these punches connect the torso or arm every week as midfielders try and break a tagger that is constantly niggling, grabbing, etc. Unluckily for both of them, this one hit a jaw. I think a 5 or 6 week suspicion would be fair.

  9. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I honestly believe Gaff was riled by Brayshaw (who was cheating – is that right??) and the two of them were doing the handbags at 40 paces thing before Gaff let go a pretty weak hook meant for Brayshaw’s torso. By accident, it hit him square in the mouth – one of only about 27 accurate punches in the history of football fights. That said, Gaff is still liable for that unlucky punch.

    This is exactly right, but we now live in a country that exists only to be outraged.

    The same people who wanted Steve Smith gaoled, now want Andrew Gaff executed.

  10. By accident, it hit him square in the mouth …

    If the umpires did their job and penalized holding/blocking/shoving players off the ball, this sort of thing would not happen.

  11. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Ross Lyon milking it for all it’s worth to deflect against one of the most insipid displays of football in history.

  12. 132andBush


    Has a time been set for Andrew Gaff’s public execution yet?

    Steady on, he didn’t hit a blackfella.

  13. JC

    I see Frank Galbally is now calling for the police to get involved.
    What a country.

    Has Turnbull made a public statement yet?

  14. The media in this country excel at yellow journalism.

  15. 132andBush

    If the umpires did their job and penalized holding/blocking/shoving players off the ball, this sort of thing would not happen.

    +1

  16. 132andBush

    That punch was aimed straight at the head.

  17. Speedbox

    Noticed a story about how Drivers Licences are to be linked with facial recognition technology. From there, onward to boat and gun licences. In total, some 30 million licences will be subject to the scanning.

    The State and Federal Government are colluding to capture facial recognition data so they can match it with a vast but growing database on individual persons.

    Once we have our own “Department of Homeland Security”, the games up. Every element of your life will be collated, analysed and stored. No detail will be too trivial for inclusion and assessment. Before too long, identity cards (remember Hawke’s Australia Card) will be the de facto standard. Every detail will be contained therein for access by State and Federal authorities. No need for individual licences administered by the individual States – the ID card will centralise everything. Spouse, children, licences, work details, tax, known associates, religion, sexual orientation, bank accounts, spending habits, club memberships, social media records and non de plumes etc.

    Welcome to the new Australia where the Government know everything.

  18. Delta A

    we now live in a country that exists only to be outraged.

    Liberty Quote

  19. Baldrick

    The shorter Andrew Bolt, “I believe it free speech, but …”

    We at Sky News can’t attack other outlets for letting themselves be platforms for Left-wing extremists and jihadism apologists, and then ourselves give a platform to a thug, bully and anti-Semite like Blair Cottrell.
    I understand concerns about some of the ways Cottrell has been shut down, but you only bring on such extremists if you challenge them.
    This is a serious and embarrassing error of judgement. I am glad that Sky News has distanced itself from the misjudgement of host Adam Giles.

    Apparently, if you’re not part of the media elite, your opinions shouldn’t be heard.

  20. C.L.

    That punch was aimed straight at the head.

    Bullshit.
    Football fighters couldn’t hit a watermelon propped up on a picket at the best of times.
    Gaff has committed no such infractions in his entire career. He cannot fight.

    Meanwhile

    The incident has drawn condemnation from circles outside of football, including WA Education Minister Sue Ellery.

    “That kind of violence is unacceptable. I don’t understand why it happened … it’s indefensible,” Ms Ellery said.

    WA Sport Minister Mick Murray said it sent a poor message to children.

    That’s not entirely true. Children could learn that cheating might get you punched in the head.

  21. JC

    Really, an op-ed in the WSJ

    Pro Wrestlers Are Natural Republicans
    It’s one of the most free-market-oriented industries anywhere.

    story:

    Glenn Jacobs, the WWE pro wrestler known as “Kane,” was just elected mayor of Knox County, Tenn. A Republican with libertarian leanings, he received 66% of the vote, easily defeating Democrat Linda Haney.

    For anyone who follows pro wrestling (disclosure: that includes me), the result isn’t surprising. Mr. Jacobs is educated, intelligent and well-spoken. He’s supported libertarian ideas for years, spoken at the Ludwig von Mises Institute and the Free State Project’s New Hampshire Liberty Forum, and endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008. In a Republican-leaning state like Tennessee, he was an entirely plausible political candidate.

    Interestingly, media organizations are focusing more on Mr. Jacobs’s status as the second WWE wrestler to hold elected office. The first was Jesse Ventura, who shocked the political world when he was elected governor of Minnesota in 1998.

    More interesting is the longstanding connection between pro wrestling and the GOP. Although Mr. Ventura ran as the nominee of Ross Perot’s Reform Party (and later joined the Independence Party of Minnesota), and there are wrestlers/managers who generally favor the Democrats (Mick Foley, Jim Cornette, Dave Bautista), the majority of people associated with WWE either are or have been Republicans.

    The best-known is Donald Trump, inducted in 2013 into the WWE Hall of Fame. Linda McMahon, wife of WWE chief executive Vince McMahon, ran twice as a Republican Senate candidate in Connecticut, losing in 2010 to Richard Blumenthal and 2012 to Chris Murphy. Last year President Trump appointed her head of the Small Business Administration.

    Read on

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pro-wrestlers-are-natural-republicans-1533496630

  22. Tel

    Before too long, identity cards (remember Hawke’s Australia Card) will be the de facto standard.

    If the facial recognition works as advertised those will no longer be necessary.

    More importantly, Hawke’s Australia Card was put to the voters who rejected it, but this new stuff is coming in without approval from any formal democratic process.

  23. I had hoped to end my little rant with something witty of profound but, I am so utterly disheartened at the future for this country I can’t think of anything to say.

    Exhibit # 3897129;

    We are about to enter a 48-72 hour period of people arguing over, analysing, dissecting and deconstructing a punch by one overpaid, inconsequential twat in a sport watched by an insignificant percentage of the population.

    Thousands of hours of work, hundreds of column inches and a billion words will be exchanged by this Earth shattering event that will have zero impact on anything ever.

    Then when it gets a bit boring someone might scratch his head and wonder why power prices are so high, industry is dead and kids are stupider than ever.

    But that will be too hard to figure out so we’ll just hope for a celebrity to do something bad so we can cut them down and feel better about our increasingly miserable lives.

  24. JC

    I think it was Artie who once said we should introduce this football code at schools. Soccer mums would love it.

  25. .

    There is actually a really good case from both the libertarian and conservative perspective to actually abolish the Federal Government.

    It simply has become predatory; although the states need to have their wings clipped as well.

  26. C.L.

    He’s supported libertarian ideas for years, spoken at the Ludwig von Mises Institute and the Free State Project’s New Hampshire Liberty Forum …

    See, in Australia you’d never see anything like this.
    The closest we got was Mal Meninga’s famous 30 second political career.
    I can’t think of a single Australian sportsman who would or could speak at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. And that’s hardly surprising given the East German model of Australian sports governance.

  27. .

    It would have been great if Peter Schiff and Linda McMahon were Senators.

  28. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Without the footage no one would believe Calcio Storico was real. The brutality is mindboggling.

    It’s one of the reasons I still have faith in Italy.

  29. someone might scratch his head and wonder why power prices are so high, industry is dead and kids are stupider than ever

    Trump dunnit?

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Every element of your life will be collated, analysed and stored. No detail will be too trivial for inclusion and assessment.

    The last straw:

    No Straw Man Here: The Mask Slips in Santa Barbara (5 Aug)

    A little noticed detail in Santa Barbara’s recent drive to criminalize plastic straws, which culminated in the Santa Barbara city council taking testimony from a nine-year-old about the planetary menace, has come to light in recent days. During that council session, councilman Jesse Dominguez said the following in response to citizens who asked “what’s next?”:

    “Unfortunately, common sense is just not common. We have to regulate every aspect of people’s lives.”

    Take that one in for a moment, for it expresses the core impulse of liberalism today. In fact, let’s repeat it:

    “Unfortunately, common sense is just not common. We have to regulate every aspect of people’s lives.”

    Well, it seems this kind of directness is imprudent, even for a liberal, so Councilman Dominguez is trying to walk back that statement

    Oops, his mask slipped just a little.

  31. As the left understands it:

    Fresh from ramming his fist through a wall Tony Abbot slips on to the ground during a WA game and whacks one of the players.

  32. calli

    That Calico Storico is like the Geebung Polo Club in pantaloons. Minus horses.

    Awesome.

    Is the winner the last player still alive?

  33. Leigh Lowe

    I think it was Artie who once said we should introduce this football code at schools. Soccer mums would love it.

    Yeah.
    But nah.
    We were in Florence a few years back when this was on.
    Before the match there is a solemn pageant of people in medieval legal and ecclesiastical garb but then there is the game which is an amalgam of British bulldog, rugby and pub stoush.
    There is no two-can light beer limit for spectators either.
    So it is never happening here.

  34. calli

    Ahhhh. It’s like Church rugby then.

  35. Senile Old Guy

    If the facial recognition works as advertised those will no longer be necessary.

    From what I have read, it doesn’t, yet.

  36. Old School Conservative

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    #2782316, posted on August 6, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Without the footage no one would believe Calcio Storico was real. The brutality is mindboggling.

    Just another night in Melbournistan.

  37. Makka

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    California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!

    3:06 PM – 5 Aug 2018

  38. Snoopy

    There is actually a really good case from both the libertarian and conservative perspective to actually abolish the Federal Government.

    The LDP should take this policy to the next election.

  39. Leigh Lowe

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    #2782316, posted on August 6, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    Without the footage no one would believe Calcio Storico was real. The brutality is mindboggling.

    It’s one of the reasons I still have faith in Italy.

    And there is also the Sienna Paleo.

  40. Geriatric Mayfly

    57 People Shot, 6 Fatally, in Chicago Over Weekend

    No white cops involved in plugging brown folk, so everything humming along as normal.

  41. JC

    57 People Shot, 6 Fatally, in Chicago Over Weekend

    Is this a joke?

  42. 57 People Shot, 6 Fatally, in Chicago Over Weekend

    Clearly a case for some practice on the target range.

  43. C.L.

    Well, this is interesting.
    Q&A will be broadcast from Lismore tonight, focusing on the drought.

    Agriculture Minister David Littleproud, Shadow Agriculture Minister Joel Fitzgibbon, National Farmers Federation President Fiona Simson, former Mayor of Lismore Jenny Dowell, and People’s Panellist Matt Sorenson.

    Can Tony still work in a discussion about homosexuality, gay ‘marriage’, trans-issues or Donald Trump? I say he can do it.

  44. Speedbox

    More importantly, Hawke’s Australia Card was put to the voters who rejected it…….

    Yes and Governments won’t make that mistake again. This is data collation (generally) by stealth but the impact, particularly for those who are not toeing the approved party line could, eventually, be significant. For example, China’s ‘social scoring database’ is just an advanced version of what I fear will eventually become the practice here. The Chinese can get away with it now because they are communist but give it time and it is plausible for Australia, particularly given our unrelenting march to the Left.

  45. .

    Snoopy
    #2782328, posted on August 6, 2018 at 5:09 pm
    There is actually a really good case from both the libertarian and conservative perspective to actually abolish the Federal Government.

    The LDP should take this policy to the next election.

    The LDP should campaign upon income tax abolition too, but you can’t always get what you want.

  46. Makka

    Great effort Rahm Emmanuel;

    Shootings ripped through Chicago early Sunday, leaving 2 dead and 28 others wounded from midnight to 3 a.m.

    Five mass shootings, in which three or more people were shot, accounted for 25 of the shooting victims during the three-hour span.

    A single shooting in the Gresham neighborhood wounded eight people, including four teenage girls.

    The eight people, ranging from 14 to 35 years old, were standing in a courtyard about 12:40 a.m. in the 1300 block of West 76th Street when several males approached them and opened fire, according to Chicago Police. Their conditions stabilized at various hospitals.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/30-people-shot-in-overnight-gun-violence-within-3-hours/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  47. thefrolickingmole

    Can Tony still work in a discussion about homosexuality, gay ‘marriage’, trans-issues or Donald Trump? I say he can do it.

    Donald Trump overloaded sheep ships to the Middle east with QWERTY sheep.

    Not even a challenge.

    It will be an audience which proves 9/10 average Australians want the live export trade shut down now.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    The Paleo.
    Run around the square … which is really a D shape with two right angle corners, with the clock tower protruding into the straight about 40 metres around one 90 degree corner.
    Bareback.
    40,000 people in the square going nuts.
    Using metre long bullhide whips, which can be used on your horse, other horses and other jockeys.
    No Marquess of Queensberry.
    No Royal and Ancient.
    Just hell for leather.
    As far as I can tell the stewards only penalise jockeys for wimpish riding.
    Two minutes of pandemonium and madness.
    And hundreds jump the fence and get amongst the ponies after the race.
    It is not Ascot or Flemington.

  49. Bruce of Newcastle

    57 People Shot, 6 Fatally, in Chicago Over Weekend

    Is this a joke?

    Pretty usual.

  50. Diogenes

    perspective to actually abolish the Federal Government.

    A good first step would be to get a referendum up to repeal section 96 (aid to states) , 109(inconsistency of laws) 101 (interstate commssion) and add words to section 51 prohibiting the commonwealth from spending any money outside the provisions of sect 51

  51. Geriatric Mayfly

    Can Tony still work in a discussion about homosexuality, gay ‘marriage’, trans-issues or Donald Trump? I say he can do it.
    Climate change should get a hammering and as a bonus, a report yesterday that global warming is picking on wimminses and children.

  52. H B Bear

    After years of waging war against it, the ALPBC discovers rural Australia.

  53. 57 People Shot, 6 Fatally

    Even NSW coppers have 1 out of 2 fatality rate. Sometimes they even score 1 fatality for each shot fired.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ten shooting fatalities per week seems to be the average.
    Population of Chicago is about half the size of Sinny.

  55. thefrolickingmole

    Heres our “facecard” future.

    Medical: Restricted according to the whims of Crapman and his merry band of banstrubators.
    Fines: Automatically deducted from your account, now everythings cashless we know how much we can milk you.
    Oh and we have “social justice fines” the more money you make the higher the fine.
    Voting: Dont mind the cameras near the computerized voting booths…
    Privacy: What do you have to hide comrade?

    etc etc.
    The soviets failed because they couldnt monitor everyone despite having every 3rd person as an informer, this new perfect system will introduce the new perfect socialism without us even having to call it that.

  56. Heres our “facecard” future.

    More likely “voicecard”.
    Voiceprint tech. is good enough that at least one bank is using it for ID.

  57. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looked at that map of Chicago BoN. Is it a mere coincidence that the highest rates of mayhem in the burbs are shaded a brownish and black colour?

  58. JC

    And hundreds jump the fence and get amongst the ponies after the race.
    It is not Ascot or Flemington.

    Did you see the end of vid with all those loons getting in front of the horses? That’s just fucking madness.

  59. Delta A

    “Unfortunately, common sense is just not common. We have to regulate every aspect of people’s lives.”

    Sounds like:

    Sadly you can say what you like around the kitchen table at home.

  60. cohenite

    Ten shooting fatalities per week seems to be the average.
    Population of Chicago is about half the size of Sinny.

    And stricter gun laws.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    A kid on a moped could do this in a third the time easily.

    Belgian wins inaugural France to China solar bike race

    A Belgian cyclist rode 12,000 kilometres (7,500 miles) from the French city of Lyon to the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou in just 49 days to win an inaugural solar-powered electric bike race aimed at promoting renewable energy.

    For that matter a reasonably fit treadly rider could do it faster than 49 days I should think.

  62. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Agriculture Minister David Littleproud, Shadow Agriculture Minister Joel Fitzgibbon, National Farmers Federation President Fiona Simson, former Mayor of Lismore Jenny Dowell, and People’s Panellist Matt Sorenson.

    A one hour climate change special.

  63. John Constantine

    Isn’t one of them meant to be a token conservative?.

  64. Nick

    Leigh, I’ve been to a Palio, hemmed into the box in the middle of the track, up against the fence.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    Did you see the end of vid with all those loons getting in front of the horses? That’s just fucking madness.

    Ha, ha.
    Also, did you see around the 1:35 – 1:40 mark towards the rear of the field the jockey in pink and yellow colours drags the jockey in dark blue off his pony?

  66. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    And there is also the Sienna Paleo.

    That was absolute frightening.

    Those renaissance dudes are off their bonces.

  67. cohenite

    Fox dissecting whether the MSM is the enemy of the people: the conclusion: only some are.

  68. John Constantine

    Frolicking, I never saw shire rates as being social justice fines, I was trying to cast them as a wealth tax, because if the land is unserviced it can’t be a service fee..

    Upon proper consideration, it does explain a lot, that our bankrupt shire can hire unelected officials on packages greater than the wage of the president of the united states, and they can levy social justice fines on unserviced farmland. To save the planet it is only fair that the tories should be fined as hard as possible.

    If ten percent of the voters are fined a 100% tax rate, in order to pay elite unelected officials united nations style wages, for united nations style outcomes, the 90% that aren’t fined are likely to keep their heads down.

    Comrades.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2782364, posted on August 6, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    Leigh, I’ve been to a Palio, hemmed into the box in the middle of the track, up against the fence.

    We did too.
    Right on the fence about 100 metres after the start.
    Had to stand there for six hours in the sun with a two hour parade of monster cattle and flag tossing.
    Apart from the race, beforehand they had about 2 dozen Italian cavalry in full dress doing a couple of laps at a trot, and then they opened up into a ground-shaking charge at full bore gallop with sabres extended straight out.
    Spine tingling stuff.
    One of the best days of my life.

  70. Whalehunt Fun

    A proper rightwing government will be more fun now that the Greens, GetUp and the CFMEU have so much data that can be siezed and then used to identify locate and persecute the members and their families. And the data collection is all their idea. This is not merely irony, this is titaniumy!

  71. thefrolickingmole

    Any of our more market minded cats like to speculate if this is a result of the Trum666p beast having an effect or just random noise in the figures?

    The agenda: German factory orders slide
    Good morning, and welcome to our rolling coverage of the world economy, the financial markets, the eurozone and business.

    Donald Trump’s trade wars appear to be biting.

    New data show that German factory orders slumped by 4% in June, the biggest fall in almost 18 months.

    The decline was driven by weaker overseas demand, with orders from outside the eurozone slumping by 5.9%. Domestic orders dropped by 2.8%, while orders from other euro countries declined by 2.7%.

  72. Makka

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1025893802366521344.html

    Could this be why the Dems and their leftard media went so insane about Russia! and Trump’s private meeting with Putin?

    The scandal?

    That Putin’s FSB was working with the Clinton campaign, Obama administration & Congress – using Putin oligarchs as intermediaries – to seed the campaign with misinformation, in order to rig the election.

    Nunes SPECIFICALLY mentions the FSB (at 23.07) & Hannity cuts him off.
    13. Also, Nunes suggests that Fusion GPS was being PAID by the FSB/Putin.

    That’s new – we know they were being funded by Clinton, suspect also the Obama 4 America & the FBI.

    But Putin’s FSB? If true, WOW.

  73. Delta A

    At our lovely riverside resort, just had the big recycle truck, with all the “save the environment”, “do the right thing” advertising in BIG letters, picking up the bins – all multi waste, no special recycle – and then obviously dumping it all in the local tip.

    And councils are still employing bin nazis to make sure we don’t mix the rubbish which is all going to end up in one place.

  74. Geriatric Mayfly

    A brief glance today at the Banking Royal Commission, and I see that a line oft repeated at the TURC is back in vogue. “I can’t recall.”

  75. egg_

    Has a time been set for Andrew Gaff’s public execution yet?

    The witch trial was on ABC TV Breakfast this morning.

  76. Leigh Lowe

    And there is also the Sienna Paleo.

    That was absolute frightening.

    Those renaissance dudes are off their bonces.

    It speaks volumes for the Ities that the PETA-betas in Brussels haven’t shut down 600 years of history with the stroke of a pen.
    Nick … sorry I spelled Palio incorrectly.
    I blame Pete Evans.

  77. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    We did too.
    Right on the fence about 100 metres after the start.
    Had to stand there for six hours in the sun with a two hour parade of monster cattle and flag tossing.
    Apart from the race, beforehand they had about 2 dozen Italian cavalry in full dress doing a couple of laps at a trot, and then they opened up into a ground-shaking charge at full bore gallop with sabres extended straight out.
    Spine tingling stuff.

    So they had a parade that didn’t have dozens of saggy bottomed old fags dressed as nuns?

    Do they even know how to parade in Italy?

  78. John Constantine

    Their national farmers federation can think of no other solution than refugee dispersal areas and Ponzi population welfare plantation schemes for the bush.

    “Ms Simson, meanwhile, has been calling for a special agricultural visa to encourage migrants to Australia’s regional areas. ”

    The idea of internal passports and no freedom of movement within the country, and landed gentry owning villages of imported vassals and serfs hits the spot, along with compulsory veganism for the imports and all slave labor buying their rations from the company store.

    Comrades.

  79. Leigh Lowe

    Brigadier Cheryl Pearce was born in Loxton South Australia and graduated from the Officer Cadet School Portsea in December 1985, commissioning into the Royal Australian Corps of Military Police.

    Soooo … Cheryl didn’t command a Panzer Division in the deserts near the Alamo then?

  80. Nick

    Nick … sorry I spelled Palio incorrectly.

    I thought it might have been the other one in Tanzaneeya 🙂
    I’m off the coast of Hvar at the moment. You were right about Croatia, LL, it’s a gem.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    So they had a parade that didn’t have dozens of saggy bottomed old fags dressed as nuns?

    Do they even know how to parade in Italy?

    I am not sure how that would go down.
    Actually, I am.
    There is a yuuuuge amount of Italian machismo on display so I wouldn’t like the chances of an interloper wearing arseless chaps or low-cut nuns habit.

  82. Death Giraffe

    Brigadier Cheryl Pearce

    ..
    Commanded Fox Force Five and defeated The Thin Man at the Battle of Playboy Mansion.

  83. Snoopy

    Ching Kwan Lee, a professor at the University of California is a lying liar.

    The Chinese people in Africa pay their fair share of taxes to the countries they do business with. Lee goes so far as to contend that Chinese corporations actually promote African independence and autonomy, rather than the usual dependence that is associated with colonialism. China is helping Africa to stand by themselves, rather than making Africa dependent on them.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Nick … if you are in Hvar at sundown the top floor of the Adriana Spa hotel is a great place to go. Open balcony with views over the harbour and you don’t have to be a guest.
    Book it all up to room 204.
    I did.

  85. Tintarella di Luna

    Mike has form in this regard. More than 20 years ago he wrote a novel, Off the Air, in which the main character was clearly based on the great Carlton.

    Hahaha Mike Carlton’s Off the Air (with the emphasis on off) I found a copy in a remainder basket at Dymocks for $2.15 20 years ago. Nauseating doesn’t cover it at all, just sad and pathetic.

  86. Nick

    Thanks for the tip, I’ll be in town by then.

  87. C.L.

    Did you see the end of vid with all those loons getting in front of the horses? That’s just fucking madness.

    It really is (apologies for Thug Life overlay):

  88. cohenite

    Makka

    #2782375, posted on August 6, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1025893802366521344.html

    Could this be why the Dems and their leftard media went so insane about Russia! and Trump’s private meeting with Putin?

    So the wussians paid for the dossier, as well as supplying the information, used by the demorats to base their investigation of Trump. Makes sense.

  89. Bruce of Newcastle

    The idea of internal passports and no freedom of movement within the country, and landed gentry owning villages of imported vassals and serfs hits the spot, along with compulsory veganism for the imports and all slave labor buying their rations from the company store.

    But they’ll have cricket.

    Eating crickets can be good for your gut, according to new clinical trial

    You know when David Carradine used to be told “Grasshopper, you are not yet ready”. That was just because he wasn’t fully ripe.

  90. cohenite

    FFS matthew guy, the libs leader from vicshitstan looks and talks like a wimp.

  91. Herodotus

    With the upper echelons of the Defences Forces wearing red shoes and referring to goodness knows who as “they” instead of “he” or “she”, I’d say the totalitarian left has headed off a military coup if things get bad enough to justify one. The top brass are knobbled.
    No coincidence, I suppose, that the SAS are in the left’s gunsights as well?

  92. Makka

    So the wussians paid for the dossier, as well as supplying the information, used by the demorats to base their investigation of Trump. Makes sense.

    Brennan and Clapper in particular were frothing at the mouth unhinged for days after Trump met 1 on 1 with Putin. Even by their deranged standards , Brennan in particular went nuts. Still speculation but certainly something big in the wind.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2782392, posted on August 6, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    Thanks for the tip, I’ll be in town by then.

    Worth the climb to the fort at the top of the hill too.

  94. Nick

    Thanks Leigh, that was on the list. Anywhere that you’d recommend for dinner?

  95. Baldrick

    John Constantine
    #2782383, posted on August 6, 2018 at 6:03 pm
    Their national farmers federation can think of no other solution than refugee dispersal areas and Ponzi population welfare plantation schemes for the bush.

    Also from the National Farmers Federation, Chief Executive Tony Mahar:

    ABC The Drum @ABCthedrum
    “Climate change has definitely something to do with it. The industry realised it’s become hotter and dryer conditions – it’s become the norm.” @tonymahar on drought

  96. JC

    Steve Sailer made mention of this a short while ago, so I took a looksee. The world is a fascinating place.

    Did Modern Jews Originate in Italy?

    Modern Jews may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim—who make up roughly 80% of the world’s Jews, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel—ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

    Most mainstream historians regard Ashkenazim as the descendants of Jews who moved into central Europe from the Middle East sometime before the 12th century C.E. Ashekenazim, like most members of this religious, cultural, and ethnic group, traditionally trace their ancestry to the ancient Israelites. The Israelites, in turn, arose between 3000 and 4000 years ago in the Middle East, according to both Biblical sources and archaeological evidence. They dispersed after the Romans destroyed their Second Temple in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.

    Recent genetic work has supported this traditional view. Two studies, one led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine, and the other by geneticist Doron Behar of the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa, Israel, traced the three main Diaspora groups—Ashkenazim, Sephardim from Spain and Portugal, and Oriental Jews from the Middle East—to people who all lived in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The Ostrer study used DNA from the nucleus of the cell in its analyses, and the Behar study used both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA); the latter comes from tiny bodies in the living cell that provide it with energy. Many other researchers considered these results to be definitive at the time.
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    Yet there were lingering questions. Ostrer and Behar had samples from only a couple of hundred Jews, for example. And while the Behar group identified four major mtDNA “founder groups” for the Ashkenazim, all supposedly with roots in the Middle East, it was able to trace only about 40% of Ashkenazi ancestry overall.

    So a different team of scientists, led by geneticist Martin Richards at the University of Huddersfield in the United Kingdom, embarked on a new search for the origins of these four founder groups. The team focused on mtDNA, which is often employed in genetic studies because it is easier to sequence and allows analysis of huge population samples. However, mtDNA is inherited through the mother and not the father, so it reveals the history of maternal lineages only.

    Geneticists have identified certain mtDNA markers that define lineages in different parts of the world. Behar’s group had traced the Jewish founder groups to two mtDNA genetic lineages called haplogroup K and haplogroup N1b. The Jewish lineages were nested within these two larger groups, which include both Jews and non-Jews. So Richards and his colleagues first set out to understand the history of these broader lineages. They analyzed about 2500 complete and 28,000 partial mtDNA genomes of mostly non-Jews worldwide, plus 836 partial mtDNA genomes of Ashkenazi Jews, to see where the Ashkenazim fit into the overall history.

    The result was very clear-cut, the authors say: As reported online today in Nature Communications, more than 80% of Ashkenazi mtDNAs had their origins thousands of years ago in Western Europe, during or before Biblical times—and in some cases even before farming came to that part of the continent some 7500 years ago. The closest matches were with mtDNAs from people who today live in and around Italy. The results imply that the Jews can trace their heritage to women who had lived in Europe at that time. Very few Ashkenazi mtDNAs could be traced to the Middle East.

  97. JC

    Steve Sailer made mention of this a short while ago, so I took a looksee. The world is a fascinating place.

    Did Modern J*ws Originate in Italy?

    Modern J*ws may traditionally trace their ancestry to the Holy Land, but a new genetic study finds otherwise. A detailed look at thousands of genomes finds that Ashkenazim—who make up roughly 80% of the world’s J*ws, including 90% of those in America and half of those in Israel—ultimately came not from the Middle East, but from Western Europe, perhaps Italy.

    Most mainstream historians regard Ashkenazim as the descendants of J*ws who moved into central Europe from the Middle East sometime before the 12th century C.E. Ashekenazim, like most members of this religious, cultural, and ethnic group, traditionally trace their ancestry to the ancient Israelites. The Israelites, in turn, arose between 3000 and 4000 years ago in the Middle East, according to both Biblical sources and archaeological evidence. They dispersed after the Romans destroyed their Second Temple in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.

    Recent genetic work has supported this traditional view. Two studies, one led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine, and the other by geneticist Doron Behar of the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa, Israel, traced the three main Diaspora groups—Ashkenazim, Sephardim from Spain and Portugal, and Oriental J*ws from the Middle East—to people who all lived in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The Ostrer study used DNA from the nucleus of the cell in its analyses, and the Behar study used both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA); the latter comes from tiny bodies in the living cell that provide it with energy. Many other researchers considered these results to be definitive at the time.
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    Yet there were lingering questions. Ostrer and Behar had samples from only a couple of hundred J*ws, for example. And while the Behar group identified four major mtDNA “founder groups” for the Ashkenazim, all supposedly with roots in the Middle East, it was able to trace only about 40% of Ashkenazi ancestry overall.

    So a different team of scientists, led by geneticist Martin Richards at the University of Huddersfield in the United Kingdom, embarked on a new search for the origins of these four founder groups. The team focused on mtDNA, which is often employed in genetic studies because it is easier to sequence and allows analysis of huge population samples. However, mtDNA is inherited through the mother and not the father, so it reveals the history of maternal lineages only.

    Geneticists have identified certain mtDNA markers that define lineages in different parts of the world. Behar’s group had traced the J*wish founder groups to two mtDNA genetic lineages called haplogroup K and haplogroup N1b. The J*wish lineages were nested within these two larger groups, which include both J*ws and non-J*ws. So Richards and his colleagues first set out to understand the history of these broader lineages. They analyzed about 2500 complete and 28,000 partial mtDNA genomes of mostly non-J*ws worldwide, plus 836 partial mtDNA genomes of Ashkenazi J*ws, to see where the Ashkenazim fit into the overall history.

    The result was very clear-cut, the authors say: As reported online today in Nature Communications, more than 80% of Ashkenazi mtDNAs had their origins thousands of years ago in Western Europe, during or before Biblical times—and in some cases even before farming came to that part of the continent some 7500 years ago. The closest matches were with mtDNAs from people who today live in and around Italy. The results imply that the J*ws can trace their heritage to women who had lived in Europe at that time. Very few Ashkenazi mtDNAs could be traced to the Middle East.

  98. egg_

    “Climate change has definitely something to do with it. The industry realised it’s become hotter and dryer conditions – it’s become the norm.” @tonymahar on drought

    ENSO, fvcktard; and that’s accroding to the BoM.

  99. Herodotus

    In numerous Australian stories, not just the famous poem, drought features as a terrible menace. I’ve read the great Australian novels like The Fortunes of Richard Mahony, Lucinda Brayford, and Kings in Grass Castles. Crippling drought features in all of them, and the stories are set all the way back to before, during and after the gold rush days in the 19th century. I haven’t tackled the Sidney Kidman saga yet, but it’s a slightly different case, set in the far outback where following the rains and the temporary rivers when droving long distance was a strategy that paid off.

  100. hzhousewife

    Changing our language in the name of inclusiveness may be a worthwhile aim. The more pressing concern, however, should be improving the aim of our fighting men and women in combat.

    Please ! Our Fighting People ! WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE !

  101. egg_

    Teh Dumb: droughts getting worse because: climate change.
    Wetter is supposed to be the norm with warming, retards.

  102. Leigh Lowe

    Now you’re testing the memory Nick.
    General rule is avoid the main square.
    Mostly overpriced sludge.

    With your back to the end of the harbour and the church away to your right, head up the steps which take you to the fort then try the laneways which branch off. Had some great BBQ fish at an upstairs courtyard restaurant. Can’t recall name. I pay cash mostly to avoid exposing the card to skimming so my card statement isn’t much help.
    The one I do remember was restaurant Giaxa which was very good. Went there twice.
    Might be busy this time of the year.
    For coffee try Nonica Caffe … coffee is good (which is not always the case in Croatia) and excellent cakes made to nonica’s (grandma’s) recipes.

  103. Top Ender

    Well The Trebuchet Weekend finished off reasonably well.

    The swingarm is in place; the counterweight system of dumb-bells works, and it looks strong enough.

    I stuffed up making it too heavy. It’s build out of Merbau 90×90 pieces. I reckon one of 1.8 beams weighs 20 kilograms, and there are five in it so far.

    To do:
    – bracing of the uprights;
    – figure out the trigger release
    – make a sling
    – test it

    Hopefully will be engaging in combat against another this Friday – if we both finish on time.

  104. Baldrick

    Tony Abbott was unavailable for comment …

    Malcolm Turnbull ✔ @TurnbullMalcolm
    (Farmers) We won’t leave you behind.
    We’ve got your back.

  105. Snoopy

    Pope Che has ‘capitulated’ to the ChiComs. He must be gutted.

  106. Oh come on

    WA POLICE Commissioner Chris Dawson has confirmed they will be making an “assessment” of the punch thrown by West Coast’s Andrew Gaff which broke the jaw of Fremantle rival Andrew Brayshaw, and encouraged the “parties concerned” to contact them.

    Seriously? How embarrassing.

  107. cohenite

    Droughts are not getting worse. The BoM tried this out some time ago with their DECR which was critiqued by David Stockwell in his typically elegant paper:

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?rep=rep1&type=pdf&doi=10.1.1.188.2528

  108. Oh come on

    The closest we got was Mal Meninga’s famous 30 second political career.

    Meninga was one of the finest politicians ever. As soon as he realised he was no good at the gig, he quit. Magnificent bastard. If only they all had that degree of self-perception.

  109. egg_

    Malcolm Turnbull ✔ @TurnbullMalcolm
    (Farmers) We won’t leave you behind.
    We’ve got your back.

    Ides of March?

  110. Oh come on

    Pope Che has ‘capitulated’ to the ChiComs.

    Link?

  111. Nerblnob

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2782316, posted on August 6, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Without the footage no one would believe Calcio Storico was real. The brutality is mindboggling.

    It’s one of the reasons I still have faith in Italy.

    Italy is strangled by red tape and bureaucracy to an extent that even Australians would find mind-boggling.
    It gets worse the further south you go.
    It’s a form of protectionism and the (literal) mafia is well-embedded.

    At least large sections of the public recognise it for what it is and even elect so-called “populists” from time to time but enterprising young Italians are voting with their feet and trying to get the fuck out to UK, Germany, USA.

    Australia ought to be targeting the smart young Italians, Spanish , Greeks etc for migration – but Australia ought also to be providing an attractive economic environment to attract these people, not just more publicly -funded seat warmers.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Please ! Our Fighting People ! WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE !

    Isn’t this so picturesque Tracylene? Shepherd like figures against a backdrop of rugged purple mountains. Did you bring your little Nikon? That one on the left seems to be carrying a large phallic like object and another is pointing something at us. Did you just hear an object whizz over our heads? Golly! Gosh! They may not be shepherds after all. They might be disguised Taliban, who can turn a bit hostile if provoked. No use calling out to them to halt in the Queen’s name, they don’t speak English. I have a packet of Tim Tams (halal) in my pack. If we wave them, it could be the beginning of an anger management programme … continued on page 94

  113. Snoopy

    Link?

    SBS News. No link.

  114. 132andBush

    Ahh, Gaff was looking behind him when he threw that punch.
    How could I not see that?

  115. Baldrick

    Bolt off to a flying start.

    Agrees with Sky banning Blair Cottrell and criminal charges against Andrew Gaff.

    I can get the same views from ABC for free.

  116. Oh come on

    A $75-a-week rise in Centrelink unemployment benefits would be roughly equivalent to the annual cost of buying a submarine, a South Australian social services group has said.

    So they’re saying the welfare increase is ridiculously unaffordable? Good point.

  117. Oh come on

    Not doubting you, Snoops. Just want to know exactly what he’s signed up to.

  118. 132andBush

    and criminal charges against Andrew Gaff.

    That’s bullshit!

  119. Oh come on

    As in the full box and dice, like the ChiComs have to approve sermons in advance, appoint bishops in China etc? Pretty sure that’s what the commies were demanding, or something like that.

  120. H B Bear

    A blast from the past as R-G-R era corpse, The Legover Man, brings his knowledge to Teh Dumb tonight.

  121. mh

    Turnbull is all about mateship.

  122. rickw

    Agrees with Sky banning Blair Cottrell and criminal charges against Andrew Gaff.

    What a shithole of a country.

  123. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nine news said it is the worst drought for 50 years.
    Which is curious.
    Because 10 years ago the Grauniad said it was the worst drought in a thousand years. Tim Flannery agreed and said the dams would never fill again.

    So if this drought is the worst in fifty years and that drought the worst in a thousand years does this mean this drought is worse than that drought or is that drought worse than this one?

    We should ask Tim, urgently.

  124. Snoopy

    Not doubting you, Snoops. Just want to know exactly what he’s signed up to.

    I don’t think it’s signed yet. Apparently the Pope will only have the power to veto nominations for Archbishop. Joseph Li Chan didn’t voice any confidence that he wouldn’t get the arse as part of a deal.

  125. rickw

    Hopefully will be engaging in combat against another this Friday – if we both finish on time.

    Nice!

  126. Snoopy

    OCO, I’m not sure ChiCom appointments limited to the Archbishop.

  127. Tel

    … but Australia ought also to be providing an attractive economic environment to attract these people …

    Perhaps start out by providing an attractive economic environment for existing Australians.

  128. Delta A

    So if this drought is the worst in fifty years and that drought the worst in a thousand years does this mean this drought is worse than that drought or is that drought worse than this one?

    The only reason this drought is flavour of the week is because it’s in NSW. Other, equally devastating, droughts have come and gone without a peep from Sydney/the centre of the universe.

  129. Baldrick

    Bolt now criticising the Australian Press Council on the ‘shutuppery’ campaign against him.
    Oh the ironing.

  130. Herodotus

    David Speers on Credlin tonight said that the fuss over power prices was secondary to the problems with superannuation, because the amounts individuals were out of pocket were not comparable.
    Wrong.
    It’s not just about power prices. It’s about pulling the plug on the power system and then the whole effing nation.

    Good luck with your super once that reaches its logical conclusion.

  131. 132andBush

    So if this drought is the worst in fifty years and that drought the worst in a thousand years does this mean this drought is worse than that drought or is that drought worse than this one?

    LOL
    These people are bizarre.

    Rainfall records for our town show a year in the 30’s of just over 100mm.

  132. Farmer Gez

    Leigh Sales returns to lap up climate change vomit. ABC curry.
    Malcolm on 7.30 gets to briefly explain government drought support measures before Leigh introduces the red herring of climate change.
    Leigh muses – how does the NEG (which is energy agnostic) help combat climate change and droughts?
    It f$cking doesn’t nor do any shit stupid green renewable schemes.

  133. Tel

    The only reason this drought is flavour of the week is because it’s in NSW. Other, equally devastating, droughts have come and gone without a peep from Sydney/the centre of the universe.

    A few years back we had unbelievable rain in NSW, everything turned into a bog, it rained day and night without pause for months.

    If only we had some way of storing the water and use it later when it doesn’t rain so much. I should invent the aquastashinator, or perhaps the buketscoopifer, or how about the Big Hydro Battery? A machine that holds onto water and prevents it running away. In the words of Big Kev, “I’m Excited!!”

    This could be ground breaking.

  134. egg_

    A blast from the past as R-G-R era corpse, The Legover Man, brings his knowledge to Teh Dumb tonight.

    Yup, Labia’s walking dead.

  135. feelthebern

    Tel, that sounds like some kind of witch craft.

  136. stackja

    Urban voters don’t understand droughts. MSM today create more ignorance.

  137. Spider

    Love the way that Ellen Fanning on The Drum vociferously attacks Caroline Ovington from The Australian over reporting of African gangs and the papers racist attacks.

    She never has the same passion for the Boycott Israel crowd and lunatic left who are given a platform on The Drum every day of the week.

    The problem with ignoring crime was brought home to me by a documentary on the Vietnamese in Cabramatta. You could see the entire cycle as everyone initially tried to ignore the signs (as racist) until years later when drugs and crime decimated the place. Then finally in the end the community itself was pleading with the police to ntervene.

  138. Baldrick

    Oh FFS

    Latika M Bourke ✔ @latikambourke
    PM Turnbull (7.30 Report) – I don’t have any doubt that the climate is changing. Just in my 36 years involvement in farming, everyone agrees that we’re seeing rainfall that is more erratic and more frequent droughts and hotter seasons.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  139. Snoopy

    David Speers is a prat.

  140. Delta A

    132andBush, how are things out your way? Any chance of a decent season?

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Urban voters don’t understand droughts. MSM today create more ignorance.

    Urban voters think Australian farmers receive the same massive subsidies as their European and American counterparts. It’s pathetic to watch, sometimes.

  142. egg_

    in my 36 years involvement in farming

    Pitt St farmer?

  143. Snoopy

    Latika M Bourke ✔ @latikambourke
    PM Turnbull (7.30 Report) – I don’t have any doubt that the climate is changing. Just in my 36 years involvement in farming, everyone agrees that we’re seeing rainfall that is more erratic and more frequent droughts and hotter seasons.

    Latika Bourke must have started farming at a very young age. According to Wikipedia she was born on 9 March 1984 in Bihar, India.

  144. Farmer Gez

    Urban voters think Australian farmers receive the same massive subsidies as their European and American counterparts. It’s pathetic to watch, sometimes.

    Canadians have multi peril insurance whilst the Yanks have actual price support that guarantee a minimum return regardless of production or lack of.
    The Europeans have price support and tariff/quota protection plus a myriad of farmland protection measures that amount to lifestyle funding.

  145. stackja

    Spider – regarding Cabramatta, Peter Ryan didn’t help.

  146. Oh come on

    I don’t think it’s signed yet. Apparently the Pope will only have the power to veto nominations for Archbishop.

    This is an intolerable imposition on the Vatican and, more broadly, the freedom to practise Catholicism, and the pope would be a fool to agree to it.

  147. Oh come on

    A blast from the past as R-G-R era corpse, The Legover Man

    Not the Whyalla Wipeout?

  148. Snoopy

    Bourke’s adoptive parents moved from a farm to the town of Bathurst when she was 7 years old. Clearly the rainfall in her early years is seared, SEARED, into her brain.

  149. hzhousewife

    The only reason this drought is flavour of the week is because it’s in NSW.

    The only reason this drought is flavour of the week is because the ABC covered it starting last week.

  150. .

    SHOCKING

    Shitshow nation (Australia) now wants a FEDERAL system of “unexplained wealth” laws already in place at the State level.

    By Eryk Bagshaw
    6 August 2018 — 4:19pm

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/criminals-required-to-explain-their-wealth-in-national-crackdown-20180806-p4zvt9.html

    Criminals who can’t explain how they got their money will be punished under a national scheme that allows the government to sweep up their assets.

    A Senate committee has unanimously recommended the “unexplained wealth” legislation be passed on Monday despite concerns being raised by the Law Council and Civil Liberties Australia.

    The legislation will force people convicted of crimes to prove that their wealth was derived from legitimate sources, rather than the onus being on prosecutors to establish that it came from the proceeds of crime.

    The new scheme will co-ordinate state-based frameworks that Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton had argued were used by criminals to evade jurisdictions.

    Banks will be forced to hand over any information they have on the unexplained wealth of a convicted client.

    The Police Federation has been lobbying for the national scheme for more than a decade. “Crime bosses were exploiting differences in criminal laws in Australia,” it said in its submission.

    Western Australia, Queensland, Victoria and NSW have differing unexplained wealth legislation. The ACT has none at all.

    Civil Liberties Australia raised concerns that a 2017 review of Tasmania’s unexplained wealth laws found that its laws were not confined for use against “senior organised crime figures,” but applied to anyone whose wealth was unexplained, or who may have profited from crime.

    They found Tasmania’s unexplained wealth laws had been used to recover amounts as small as $3000.

    The legislation – now approved by Labor, Greens and Coalition senators on the committee – will provide exemptions for unexplained wealth under $100,000 or if the court is satisfied that issuing an order for unexplained wealth “is not in the public interest”.

    The Law Council said it was concerned the retrospective nature of the laws “challenge a basic value of the rule of law”. The legislation will apply to assets obtained BEFORE committing a crime.

    The committee found it would almost be impossible to show the point at which wealth “was acquired in cases where a person has accumulated significant amounts of wealth and property over decades and has no apparent source of legitimate income,” making retrospectivity essential to the function of the legislation.

  151. Nick

    Thanks Leigh, it sounds like we are on the same page.

  152. entropy

    Just think Zulu, those $12,000 lump sum payments represents the total income tax take for an entire year from a single, typical employed Australian.

    People I might add, that do not have, and never will have $5 million in net assets (the maximum allowed under the scheme) before access to the lump sum gets cut off.

  153. entropy

    Turnbull has a property in the Hunter Valley, the epicentre of the big dry in NSW. It is almost like the six years of drought in Qld hasn’t happened.

  154. Baldrick

    Snoopy
    #2782460, posted on August 6, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    Latika M Bourke ✔ @latikambourke …

    Bourke is quoting Turnbull.

  155. .

    The committee found it would almost be impossible to show the point at which wealth “was acquired in cases where a person has accumulated significant amounts of wealth and property over decades and has no apparent source of legitimate income,” making retrospectivity essential to the function of the legislation.

    They are fucking evil c*nts.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Europeans have price support and tariff/quota protection plus a myriad of farmland protection measures that amount to lifestyle funding.

    I’ve listened to an angry Irishman, at a protest meeting, in Dublin” Oi’m one of the biggest farmers in my district, so Oi am! Oi’ve got sixty hectares, so Oi have, and the Government should be looking after me a lot better then they are, so they should.”

    Seems the average size of a farm in Southern Ireland is thirty hectares…

  157. JC

    Melbourne dam levels are reasonable, no to the brim, but reasonable. Also, I don’t think the desal plant hasn’t kicked.

    Droughts, however have a huge impact on the fishing industry, so it could impact on the price of seafood, which is a bummer.

  158. .

    The Police Federation has been lobbying for the national scheme for more than a decade. “Crime bosses were exploiting differences in criminal laws in Australia,” it said in its submission.

    Shitheads. Absolute shitheads.

  159. Farmer Gez

    I agree Entropy.
    Multi peril insurance is the go, but no government will back it.
    A few years worth of ABC funding and a bit of good luck with the weather would see a fund pool that would self support. Farmers would only insure for cost recovery anyway.
    Politicians cannot resist the lure of tragedy and the Santa syndrome.

  160. JC

    The Police Federation has been lobbying for the national scheme for more than a decade. “Crime bosses were exploiting differences in criminal laws in Australia,” it said in its submission.

    Shitheads. Absolute shitheads.

    It’s truly freaking evil. They get more predatory by the day.

  161. Oh come on

    Jacob Rees-Mogg delights political nerds with his political nerdery.

    Short questions and short answers for QT. Wouldn’t that be great here.

  162. egg_

    Turnbull has a property in the Hunter Valley, the epicentre of the big dry in NSW

    Which suits the vineyards in the Upper Hunter.
    Doh!

  163. H B Bear

    Love the way that Ellen Fanning on The Drum vociferously attacks Caroline Ovington from The Australian over reporting of African gangs and the papers racist attacks.

    Last Friday her co-frightbat, the appalling Julia Baird, was complaining they couldn’t get anyone from the center-right to come onto Teh Dumb.

  164. None

    36 years in farming? JUST HOW F***ING DELUSIONAL IS TURNBULL?

    God if Joyce doesn’t have swipe at him, he’s brain dead.

  165. 132andBush

    Delta A

    #2782457, posted on August 6, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    132andBush, how are things out your way? Any chance of a decent season?

    Things are not too bad considering the rest of the state, Delta.
    We still have a reasonable store of subsoil moisture for the crops (courtesy of 100mm in December), just need a 20mm+ fall which will allow the secondary roots to drive down into it, then another decent fall in spring. That being said, we will be on the knife edge of a complete failure if nothing usable falls in the next three weeks.
    Thank you for asking.

    PS: The 100mm rainfall year was 1940

  166. Bruce of Newcastle

    Turnbull has a property in the Hunter Valley, the epicentre of the big dry in NSW.

    Hunter Water sold off the Tillegra Dam project land in 2015 because raining, then announced in 2017 they’d build a desalination plant in Newcastle because not raining.
    Weird how time flies.

  167. Snoopy

    Bourke is quoting Turnbull.

    My apologies, Latika. I didn’t realise it was Turnbull referring to his house paddock at Point Piper.

  168. egg_

    36 years in farming? JUST HOW F***ING DELUSIONAL IS TURNBULL?

    And he co-invented the Intarweb with Al Gore (OzEmail).
    Is there nothing he can’t do?

  169. Calcio Storico is pretty good but how about figure 8 car racing

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Farmers would only insure for cost recovery anyway.

    The best scheme I’ve seen was tried in Western Australia a few years ago – six dollars per hectare, and you could insure for your past five years average.

  171. 132andBush

    PM Turnbull (7.30 Report) – I don’t have any doubt that the climate is changing. Just in my 36 years involvement in farming, everyone agrees that we’re seeing rainfall that is more erratic and more frequent droughts and hotter seasons.

    THAT IS SOMETHING THE LEADER OF THE LABOR PARTY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO SAY!!!!!

  172. Snoopy

    Droughts, however have a huge impact on the fishing industry, so it could impact on the price of seafood, which is a bummer.

    I didn’t realise things were so dire.

  173. H B Bear

    Channel Stokes leads the 6pm News with the Gaff story. Geofffffff Parry carrying on like a 16yo school girl work experience kid at the CEO’s press conference. Percy gets his head on TV.

  174. H B Bear

    THAT IS SOMETHING THE LEADER OF THE LABOR PARTY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO SAY!!!!!

    Or the Liars leader of the Lieboral Party.

  175. .

    Oh god. Brave man.

    The UK Labor voters are dumb as fark.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Is Turnbull claiming to be a carbon farmer?

  177. H B Bear

    Or the Liars leader of the Lieboral Party.

    It’s as if 2009 never happened. Lucy and Daddy have won.

  178. 132andBush

    I didn’t realise things were so dire.

    That’s not even half of it.
    Friends from near Quirindi report their clothes horse died.

  179. None

    Love trebuchets https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/17/johnezard There’s a dead horse in our local art gallery that you’re welcome to hurl.

  180. candy

    Seems to me farmers are always whinging. there’s a sob story and ask for handouts every year.
    I’m mean and suspicious and wonder if it is a it of a con, and they have squirelled away money over the years and are conning each government.
    On TV they look quite prosperous in terms of their machinery, their homes and clothes, and the scale of the land.

  181. JC

    Snoopy
    #2782491, posted on August 6, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Droughts, however have a huge impact on the fishing industry, so it could impact on the price of seafood, which is a bummer.

    I didn’t realise things were so dire.

    How hard is it, catching this boltrat in a trap?

  182. JC

    Rees mogg is really growing on me. Great value.

  183. Snoopy

    Don’t worry JC, the prices of your favourite barsa and Nile perch won’t be affected.

  184. Farmer Gez

    Nice try Candy.
    Do you enjoy fly fishing?

  185. Pedro the Ignorant

    Evening Cats. In my daggy little donga changing clothes for the evening debauchery at Diggers and Dealers “cocktail party” 😀
    An interesting day meeting with industry colleagues not seen from one year to the next, one of the benefits of this gathering is catching up on all the gossip from the source, not filtered through the press.
    There may have been a Welcome to Country thingy at the opening, but I was busy sipping surprisingly good coffee from a nearby cafe and smoking a durry to keep the nicotine levels at acceptable levels.

    Off to town shortly for the nosh up an grog sampling.

    Good speeches from Nick Giorgetta (sp) CEO D&D, with a special mention of old mate John Langford, D&D character and organiser for many years, who passed away recently.

    Keynote speech from Jose Manuel Barroso, president of Goldman Sachs and former President of the EU Commission. As you would expect, Señor Barroso is an ardent globalist and was busy pumping up his own tyres.
    More to follow later, depending on the blood alcohol level and state of undress of the skimpies.

  186. Delta A

    Things are not too bad considering the rest of the state

    132andBush, there seems to be an unusual amount of windy days this winter. We’ve driven past miles of crops standing up quite nicely atm, probably strengthened by the subsoil moisture you mentioned. But Willy Weather predicts more wind and significantly less rain.

    I’ll say a prayer for you and our other farming Cats.

  187. Beertruk

    Q&A will be broadcast from Lismore tonight, focusing on the drought.

    Q&A circus should go out to Moree or Gunnedah.

  188. Robber Baron

    Just heard that a mate got bashed and is in hospital with some serious bruises and concussion.

    He was at a bbq on Saturday when a ice head barged into a back yard and demanded money. When he was told to get off private property he went nuts and used furniture to club people to make his demands more urgent.

    Long story short, he got nothing but caused some physical damage to a few people. The police were, as usual minutes away when seconds counted.

    Melbourne is a dangerous place and lawless place.

  189. Habib

    No problem with unexplained wealth seizures if they start with politicians. Every one of the cretinous fuckers is farting through silk, despite possessing the financial acumen of Wayne Swan. The substantial sling provided by taxpayers wouldn’t go near to covering their lifestyles. Start with Hawke and Clockboy.

  190. Snoopy

    Q&A will be broadcast from Lismore tonight, focusing on the drought.

    Q&A circus should go out to Moree or Gunnedah.

    How the hell could the ABC stack the audience with LNP voting hippie greens then?

  191. Gab

    Keep the reports coming, Pedro. Always interesting.

  192. None

    O my Lord, Baron -not even safe in your back yard? Did they catch the bastard? Remember the Victorian government wants to put drug rooms next to schools and let ice heads use them.

  193. .

    Moree QANDA.

    More proof Australians are shit at pugilism.

  194. candy

    Nice try Candy.

    How long does each government prop up farmers? Okay , if they believe climate change is causing the problem, and if government and the PM believe in global warming as they do, surely it must be time for some farmers to get out, because the problem is permanent and dire, as everyone keeps saying.

    Or why not build dams or bring the water from the monsoons down somehow. Think big and stop the whinging.

  195. JC

    Went to a wifey family gathering yesterday for lunch. Her sister made what I consider to be the best pav I’ve tasted for the past couple of decades. Delicious. Actually even more so. Sure, because of the surgery, I felt nauseous all afternoon because of the effect of fatty food, but I took it on the chin and had a second helping.

    She gave us some spare to take home and all day I’ve had it in the back of my mind I’d gulp it down after dinner. It’s gone. Wifey, who thinks anything with sugar has the mark of the devil, threw it out to clear the fridge because we’re heading off tomorrow.
    Unfuckingreal.
    She’s out seeing a play with her sister and she laughed when I called to tell her off, as I suspected what she did.

  196. Habib

    Went out to T’ba again on the weekend, and it’s amazing how close the dry is. Brisbane and the coast have had a very wet winter, it’s raining again ATM. Just out of Ipswich it’s as dry as a nun’s nasty.

    Been watching thee radar as usual, and it’s been pissing down just east of Moreton Bay, and on along front- this has been a feature for months now, I believe high fronts originating in SA are keeping these systems from tracking inland. Everything bad comes from SA, and it looks like Gaia has adopted Commonwealth and state policy, dumping fresh water in the ocean.

  197. .

    candy

    Every new dam proposed in NSW gets knocked back. Tillegara, Needles Gap, Devil Grip Gorge, Murray Gorge and Jingellic. It has been going on since the 1960s.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-06-10/no-new-dams-in-the-20-year-nsw-water-plan/9850064

  198. Oh come on

    36 years in farming?

    Oh lordy lord. Trumble isn’t trying out his man of the people act again? It’s so awkward. I almost feel sorry for him when he does it.

    You don’t notice how stupid, vacuous and phony you look, Mal? Poor thing.

  199. Farmer Gez

    You’re the one whinging Candy.
    I’ll tell you a think big scheme.
    The Wimmera Mallee pipeline. Open channels replaced by a reticulated pipe supply. It took decades of farmer whinging before governments agreed to part fund the project.
    Now farmers in NW Vic do not have a problem with water supply in drought and that helps a lot.
    How’s them apples?

  200. hzhousewife

    Seems to me farmers are always whinging. there’s a sob story and ask for handouts every year.
    I’m mean and suspicious and wonder if it is a it of a con, and they have squirelled away money over the years and are conning each government.
    On TV they look quite prosperous in terms of their machinery, their homes and clothes, and the scale of the land.

    Ever met a farmer, Candy?

  201. 132andBush

    Dot,
    The biggest problem in the short term re water is the amount flushed out to sea in order to keep a man made ecosystem at the Murray mouth functioning.

  202. entropy

    it is because the coral sea is cooler than usual Habib, combined with cooler water than usual off the Afura sea. It lets the southern high up to park over the continent. it will stay that way for at least another six months.

  203. Snoopy

    surely it must be time for some farmers to get out,

    There’s likely over a hundred of former grazing properties in the area between Bathurst, Orange and Mudgee, destocked, covered in regrowth and noxious weeds, plagued with goats, kangaroos and rabbits steadily being sold off as lifestyle blocks after being bought at knock down prices.

  204. JC

    You’re the one whinging Candy.
    I’ll tell you a think big scheme.
    The Wimmera Mallee pipeline. Open channels replaced by a reticulated pipe supply. It took decades of farmer whinging before governments agreed to part fund the project.
    Now farmers in NW Vic do not have a problem with water supply in drought and that helps a lot.
    How’s them apples?

    Gez, if it’s so worthwhile, then fund it collectively, from your own resources.

  205. candy

    Ever met a farmer, Candy?

    Small business operators fall on hard times too, hzhousewife, and it’s use up savings and hope to get a salaried job and maybe start again some day. No handout from the government.

  206. Robber Baron

    None
    #2782513, posted on August 6, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    I do not know if he has been aprehended as yet. I am just in shock that someone can just walk into your yard and violently attack you.

    I think l will make some defensive weapons and place them strategically around my property.

  207. Farmer Gez

    JC.
    You have obviously never dealt with public land, water authorities or catchment management authorities, not to mention indigenous land rights.
    Good economic thinking though. Assume a can opener.

  208. egg_

    Q&A will be broadcast from Lismore tonight, focusing on the drought.

    Q&A circus should go out to Moree or Gunnedah.

    How the hell could the ABC stack the audience with LNP voting hippie greens then?

    Nailed it.

  209. Habib

    Or maybe use a chunk of out uranium to build a reactor bigger than the ACT, and use the power to slurp the contents of Bass Strait out, crack out the salt, and pump it anywhere we want. Surplus could be stored in a large, deep tank, into which could be hurled sacks containing hippies, craven politicians, idiot bureaucrats and renewable spivs, along with the wreckage of collapsed windmills and rusting photovoltaic assemblies.

  210. egg_

    Friends from near Quirindi report their clothes horse died.

    It were so hot, the iron horse melted!

  211. Snoopy

    Gez, if it’s so worthwhile, then fund it collectively, from your own resources.

    Excellent suggestion. We could also use it for urban motorways.

  212. 132andBush

    I did some “just on spec” harvesting for a bloke who was on the steering/consult committee for the WM pipeline, Gez.
    I’m told they are saving more water than the most optimistic estimates.

  213. mh

    It is because the coral sea is cooler than usual Habib, combined with cooler water than usual off the Afura sea.

    What is this ‘cooler’ you speak of?

  214. egg_

    into which could be hurled sacks containing hippies,

    They might make good footwear?
    Sandals?

  215. JC

    JC.
    You have obviously never dealt with public land, water authorities or catchment management authorities, not to mention indigenous land rights.
    Good economic thinking though. Assume a can opener.

    I don’t think any of those hurdles you mention have anything to do with collectively funding your own way.
    I don’t buy the bullshit that farming is so different. It has distinct peculiarity in that a larger number of farmers are beholden to weather conditions. This makes it like trading in some ways. Just as you can’t you can’t control for adverse movements in stocks etc you can’t control the weather. In farming it’s weather. This means that the one thing you have control of is money management to tide one through the hard times.

  216. Farmer Gez

    I did some “just on spec” harvesting for a bloke who was on the steering/consult committee for the WM pipeline, Gez.
    I’m told they are saving more water than the most optimistic estimates.

    That’s very true and plenty left over for environmental flows for waterways in dry spells. Women on farm love the fact that they can wash the clothes and keep a garden.

  217. .

    132andBush
    #2782523, posted on August 6, 2018 at 8:56 pm
    Dot,
    The biggest problem in the short term re water is the amount flushed out to sea in order to keep a man made ecosystem at the Murray mouth functioning

    I’ve been saying this sort of thing for years. You get a bit of validation when a real farmer says it.

  218. stackja

    Dorothea Mackellar wrote a poem about My Country.

  219. JC

    Excellent suggestion. We could also use it for urban motorways.

    We do dickface. We pay registration and excise. It more than covers for the cost and there’s more left over for welfare.
    You’re not that bright, are you, but very vindictive that doesn’t quite make up for it.

  220. Snoopy

    Gez, I think JC’s takeaway message is don’t sell the farm to take up share trading. It won’t be any easier.

  221. stackja

    Rafe posted: Will the big lout at the back put the stock market report away. Do your trading at playtime.

  222. Sinclair Davidson

    johanna – I am releasing your comments as soon as I see them and as quickly as I can.

  223. JC

    Other people haven’t complained.. I think the only culprit whining about the banks giving farmers a difficult time over rural loans has been Driller. But here’s the problem. Gambling on the weather is just that gambling. Taking bets on stocks is essentially pretty much the same, although I believe there are gaps at times with the efficient market hypothesis.
    However the only thing that can keep a trader going is actually not how many trades you get right. It’s money management and making sure you’re conservative enough to live for another day. Too much leverage kills.

    I don’t see traders whine about banks closing them down when their drawdowns are too big and have no working capital left.

  224. Farmer Gez

    I don’t think any of those hurdles you mention have anything to do with collectively funding your own way.

    It is funded by farmers through tariffs.
    Up front capital from government that is payed off over time. The very bloody least they can do considering the regulatory cost burden put on any public works project. Towns as large as Horsham also benefit from the scheme, not just cockies.

  225. Oh come on

    JC is right. Even the most successful types have to eat a shit sandwich now and again as a result of factors beyond their control. Farmers are indeed whingers. Even the rich ones. God love em but they are whingers. Comes with the territory.

  226. .

    Less interference from big governments would help.

    In NSW, even if you find a new source of groundwater, you cannot just take it, my understanding is you have to prove that it really is new, previously undiscovered etc. You also have to pay for it as well.

    It should be homesteaded really. Over a few years, given permission to build infrastructure, water would always be abundant.

    Homesteading would allow for the incentive of a capital gain and not paying twice to create an asset.

  227. Spider

    A surprising 4 Corners.

    Here’s I was thinking Facebook was going to be found to be censoring accounts will nilly but no the reporters were calling them out for not censoring more content.

    What a world we live in.

  228. JC

    Gez

    I drove through Hoseham and that region a couple of years ago to Adelaide and back. I saw a pipeline at times following the road. I can’t recall seeing a dam on any farm. I honestly don’t understand how people can take such large risks.

    The fucking risk is enormous.

    Conversely, I don’t like a trade and it takes two seconds to get rid of it. Literally two seconds.

  229. Oh come on

    I mean, just take a look at the farmers’ party. The Nats are the most disgraceful bunch of porkbarrellers going. Sorry farmers but you cannot escape that association. You do profit from it greatly.

  230. 132andBush

    JC,
    If the water to your house was of substandard quality (full of sediment), with low pressure etc and you were asked to pay top dollar, would you…
    A/ Agitate for the supplier and distributer of the water to lift their game?
    B/ Get everyone in your street to chip in and pay for the suppliers pipes and treatment works upgrades?

    NB: Farmers are a low % of the population who benefitted from the WM pipeline.

  231. Oh come on

    At the expense of the rest of us, I should add.

  232. Farmer Gez

    JC.
    We give you plenty of physical for the trade to happily speculate on and lovely volitilaty as well.
    A nice thank you would do, instead of grandstanding.

  233. Bruce in WA

    I think l will make some defensive weapons and place them strategically around my property.

    You know that’s illegal, yes? Use them on anyone and you will be in more sh!t than a faggot’s forefinger. Having “weapons” in advance of the need is a big no-no.

  234. JC

    We give you plenty of physical for the trade to happily speculate on and lovely volitilaty as well.
    A nice thank you would do, instead of grandstanding.

    Lol.. You mean commodities? Naaa I don’t trade that space. Don’t understand it and just an observer of prices. I do paper trade oil at times though. I could have been one of the great ones 🙂

    I don’t like commods etc because I have no edge and there are I believe people in there with an edge.

  235. JC

    JC,
    If the water to your house was of substandard quality (full of sediment), with low pressure etc and you were asked to pay top dollar, would you…

    I drink bottled water. 🙂 Silly, I know, but I love San Pelegrino flat because of the taste.

    A/ Agitate for the supplier and distributer of the water to lift their game?
    B/ Get everyone in your street to chip in and pay for the suppliers pipes and treatment works upgrades?

    NB: Farmers are a low % of the population who benefitted from the WM pipeline.

    bush, I think we city slickers more than pay our way. Our water rates more than cover the cost.

  236. Boambee John

    Bruce in WA
    #2782583, posted on August 6, 2018 at 9:27 pm
    I think l will make some defensive weapons and place them strategically around my property.

    You know that’s illegal, yes? Use them on anyone and you will be in more sh!t than a faggot’s forefinger. Having “weapons” in advance of the need is a big no-no.

    Garden tools not put away after last being used, however, and picked up spontaneously when the thug went at your spouse, children or guests, …

  237. Beertruk

    Snoopy
    #2782511, posted on August 6, 2018 at 8:42 pm
    Q&A will be broadcast from Lismore tonight, focusing on the drought.

    Q&A circus should go out to Moree or Gunnedah.

    How the hell could the ABC stack the audience with LNP voting hippie greens then?

    Fly/bus them in from Ultimo Central.

  238. 132andBush

    I drink bottled water. 🙂 Silly

    Of course! 🙂

    I suppose your wife pours it into the iron when she does your jeans.

  239. Oh come on

    A nice thank you would do, instead of grandstanding.

    Farmer G, that’s a fantastic example of the ridiculous perspective of farmers. I know you’ll say you were being tongue in cheek, but you mean it, everyone knows you do.

    Nobody owes you a thank you. You aren’t doing it for the love, are you. And even if you were, to do so would be your choice.

    Or maybe JC does owe you a thank you. Well you owe him a thank you for the part he plays in adding value to what you produce.

    So all the wealth creators could engage in a big old mutual circle jerk of thank you-ing. Or they could just get on with making their own money their own way and inadvertently making money off of the pursuits of each other, and dispense with the pleasantries.

  240. JC

    Look guys, you do make a fair point, even though you haven’t made it and I’ll make it for you.

    At least the government support the farming community receives is mainly directed toward productive endeavors. I get that. Conversely, there’s more than a disturbing number of city folk sucking off the government teat and doing so to fund their unproductive lifestyle. Most farmers are hard workers.
    I do get it.

  241. Farmer Gez

    Yes commodities JC.
    Big business and a risky as all get out, like farming.
    The only thing sillier than a farm commodity trader is a farmer who thinks they can speculate in the market while holding physical product.

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