Wednesday Forum: August 15, 2018

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  1. .

    If you’re not furst, you’re a peon.

  2. Exit Stage Right

    Can’t believe I made the team. All that training paid off!

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good afternoon, all.

  4. stackja

    Meanwhile the solution is not finalised.

  5. H B Bear

    Welcome to the interim solution.

  6. .

    Sort of quoted…

    In his speech, Anning claimed majority of Australian Muslims do not work, live on welfare

    That is a real issue.

    How about a “conversation” as the left would say, and a “chat” as your creepy micromanaging boss would say?

  7. Atoms for Peace

    That hook in Anning’s speech was always going to explode lefty pin heads

  8. Top Ender

    A US pediatric professor, who says the transgender movement is based on ideology rather than science, will speak at the University of Western Australia despite pressure to ban him.

    A student petition with more than 6000 signatures is protesting the appearance on Friday of pediatric endocrinologist Quentin Van Meter, who is on a national tour sponsored by The Australian Family Association.

    Dr Van Meter has said that using puberty blockers for children with gender dysphoria was akin to child abuse.

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    “Transgender is actually a delusional disorder,” he said.

    “It’s a state of mind with no biologic basis for it that can be found.” Dr Van Meter is president of the American College of Paediatricians, which is known for its opposition to marriage equality, gender reassignment and abortion. A UWA spokesperson said in a statement on Wednesday that while the university did not endorse the opinions of its speakers, cancelling the event would “create an undesirable precedent for the exclusion of objectionable views” from the university.

    “The views which have been expressed by the speakers in the past, particularly with respect to transgender people, are at odds with the university’s values of respect for human dignity and diversity,” they said.

    “That respect, in relation to LGBTIQA+ people generally, has been evidenced by the Rainbow Flag, which has flown for some months at the front of the UWA campus.”

    AAP

    Oz article with comment thread open

  9. Carpe Jugulum

    Top Twenny

    Woo Hoo

  10. testpattern

    Deported to Sydney via China

    ‘Prof. Gill H. Boehringer, a retired law professor and dean from Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia. After being held in NAIA Terminal 1 for seven (7) days, Prof. Boehringer boarded China Southern Airlines flight to Guangzhou today, 14 August 2018 at around 12:50 pm’

    https://www.facebook.com/karapatan/posts/10160645057545153

  11. H B Bear

    Great work by The Green-Left Weekly Radio (now) Half Hour formerly known as The World Today producer who came up with this guy for today’s program. I guess you can’t keep going back to the Old Lezzo forever.

    Pete Mailler runs a 6000 acre grain and beef farm near Goondiwindi on the New South Wales Queensland border.
    He says farmers feel abandoned when they hear politicians like Barnaby Joyce say that government action on climate change won’t help communities affected by drought.
    Pete Mailler is a fellow of the Australian Rural Leadership Foundation and ran against the former National Party leader at last year’s by-election.

    Congratulations Pete, here’s a Helen Lovejoy Award for your efforts.

  12. CL, you need to bump over your last comment on the OOT.

  13. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ok ok new fred

  14. H B Bear

    A UWA spokesperson said in a statement on Wednesday that while the university did not endorse the opinions of its speakers, cancelling the event would “create an undesirable precedent for the exclusion of objectionable views” from the university.

    You mean like Bjorn Lomborg?

    Hypocrites.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cashing out: Jobs to go as ABC plans to shut up shop on retail

    Stephen Brook

    The ABC plans to exit retail, closing its ABC Shop Online and its bricks and mortar ABC Centres by the end of the year.

    Up to 15 staff will be made redundant as a result of the proposal, which is subject to consultation with unions and staff.

    “ABC Shop Online and the ABC Centres are an important part of the ABC’s commercial operations, and these decisions are never taken lightly,” said Andrew Lambert, general manager ABC Commercial.

    “This proposal directly responds to the changing market, in particular consumers’ shift to digital delivery of audio and visual content.

    “Coupled with the intensifying global competition affecting the entire retail sector, the resulting decline in physical sales means the retail business is becoming increasingly unviable.”

    The broadcaster said ABC DVDs, music, books, toys and other merchandise would remain “just as widely available” through approved shops and websites.

    From the Oz. Can’t they just Rabz the whole operation?

  16. Top Ender

    What an outrageous university!

    They are only referencing LGBTIQA+.

    There is of course more to consider as the Greens point out:

    Romantic orientations:

    aromantic: lack of romantic attraction towards anyone;
    biromantic: romantic attraction towards the same gender and different genders;
    heteroromantic: romantic attraction towards person(s) of a different gender;
    homoromantic: romantic attraction towards person(s) of the same gender;
    panromantic: romantic attraction towards someone regardless of gender;
    polyromantic: romantic attraction towards multiple, but not all, genders.

    I demand LGBTIQA+./ABHHPP.

    (What a very strange world the West now inhabits….)

  17. calli

    I go off to vacuum clean, and someone’s bulldozed the OOT.

    Agile!

  18. H B Bear

    The ABC plans to exit retail, closing its ABC Shop Online and its bricks and mortar ABC Centres by the end of the year. Up to 15 staff will be made redundant as a result of the proposal, which is subject to consultation with unions and staff.

    Can’t they all just become gay or have a sex change and write for ALPBC Life?

  19. calli

    Anne Aly needs to dry her tears and still her trembling lip.

    Payday will be the same as ever it was, and any travel involved in fighting hate and intolerance will be duly reimbursed by the taxpayer.

  20. Diogenes

    (What a very strange world the West now inhabits….)

    From http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender
    Gender Master List

    This is an ongoing list of gender identities. If you see an identity with a confusing or wrong description, feel free to message us about it and we will answer as soon as possible. Feel free to mix and match your own prefixes and suffixes to create the identity that best describes you.

    Any gender named _gender may be made into _boy, _girl, _nonbinary, etc.

    (example: demigender, demiboy, demigirl, deminonbinary)

    Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox

    Adamasgender: a gender which refuses to be categorized

    Aerogender: a gender that is influenced by your surroundings

    Aesthetigender: a gender that is derived from an aesthetic; also known as videgender

    Affectugender: a gender that is affected by mood swings

    Agender: the feeling of no gender/absence of gender or neutral gender

    Agenderflux: Being agender and having fluctuating feelings of masculinity of femininity, but NOT male or female

    Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are

    Aliusgender: a gender which is removed from common gender descriptors and guidelines

    Amaregender: a gender that changes depending on who you’re in love with

    Ambigender: defined as having the feeling of two genders simultaneously without fluctuation; meant to reflect the concept of being ambidextrous, only with gender

    Ambonec: identifying as both man and woman, yet neither at the same time

    Amicagender: a gender that changes depending on which friend you’re with

    Androgyne: sometimes used in the case of “androgynous presentation”; describes the feeling of being a mix of both masculine and feminine (and sometimes neutral) gender qualities

    Anesigender: feeling like a certain gender yet being more comfortable identifying with another

    Angenital: a desire to be without primary sexual characteristics, without necessarily being genderless; one may be both angenital and identify as any other gender alongside

    Anogender: a gender that fades in and out but always comes back to the same feeling

    Anongender: a gender that is unknown to both yourself and others

    Antegender: a protean gender which has the potential to be anything, but is formless and motionless, and therefore, does not manifest as any particular gender

    Anxiegender: a gender that is affected by anxiety

    Apagender: a feeling of apathy towards ones gender which leads to them not looking any further into it

    Apconsugender: a gender where you know what it isn’t, but not what it is; the gender is hiding itself from you

    Astergender: a gender that feels bright and celestial

    Astralgender: a gender that feels connected to space

    Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic. Meant for autistic people only.

    Autogender: a gender experience that is deeply personal to oneself

    Axigender: when a person experiences two genders that sit on opposite ends of an axis; one being agender and the other being any other gender; these genders are experienced one at a time with no overlapping and with very short transition time.

    Bigender: the feeling of having two genders either at the same time or separately; usually used to describe feeling “traditionally male” and “traditionally female”, but does not have to

    Biogender: a gender that feels connected to nature in some way

    Blurgender: the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with genderfuzz

    Boyflux: when one feels mostly or all male most of the time but experience fluctuating intensity of male identity

    Burstgender: and gender that comes in intense bursts of feeling and quickly fades back to the original state

    Caelgender: a gender which shares qualities with outer space or has the aesthetic of space, stars, nebulas, etc.

    Cassgender: the feeling of gender is unimportant to you

    Cassflux: when the level of indifference towards your gender fluctuates

    Cavusgender: for people with depression; when you feel one gender when not depressed and another when depressed

    Cendgender: when your gender changes between one and its opposite

    Ceterofluid: when you are ceterogender and your feelings fluctuate between masculine, feminine, and neutral

    Ceterogender: a nonbinary gender with specific masculine, feminine, or neutral feelings

    Cisgender: the feeling of being the gender you were assigned at birth, all the time (assigned (fe)male/feeling (fe)male)

    Cloudgender: a gender that cannot be fully realized or seen clearly due to depersonalization/derealization disorder

    Collgender: the feeling of having too many genders simultaneously to describe each one

    Colorgender: a gender associated with one or more colors and the feelings, hues, emotions, and/or objects associated with that color; may be used like pinkgender, bluegender, yellowgender

    Commogender: when you know you aren’t cisgender, but you settled with your assigned gender for the time being

    Condigender: a gender that is only felt during certain circumstances

    Deliciagender: from the Latin word delicia meaning “favorite”, meaning the feeling of having more than one simultaneous gender yet preferring one that fits better

    Demifluid: the feeling your gender being fluid throughout all the demigenders; the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluid

    Demiflux: the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluctuating

    Demigender: a gender that is partially one gender and partially another

    Domgender: having more than one gender yet one being more dominant than the others

    Demi-vapor (term coined by @cotton-blossom-jellyfish): Continuously drifting to other genders, feeling spiritually transcendental when doing so while having a clear -slightly blurred- inner visual of your genders, transitions, and positive emotions. Tied to Demi-Smoke.

    Demi-smoke (term coined by @cotton-blossom-jellyfish): A transcendental, spiritual gender roughly drifting to other genders that are unable to be foreseen and understood, shrouded in darkness within your inner visual. Elevating through mystery. Caused by a lack of inner interpretation and dark emotional states. Tied to Demi-Vapor.

    Duragender: from the Latin word dura meaning “long-lasting”, meaning a subcategory of multigender in which one gender is more identifiable, long lasting, and prominent than the other genders

    Egogender: a gender that is so personal to your experience that it can only be described as “you”

    Epicene: sometimes used synonymously with the adjective “androgynous”; the feeling either having or not displaying characteristics of both or either binary gender; sometimes used to describe feminine male identifying individuals

    Espigender: a gender that is related to being a spirit or exists on a higher or extradimensional plane

    Exgender: the outright refusal to accept or identify in, on, or around the gender spectrum

    Existigender: a gender that only exists or feels present when thought about or when a conscious effort is made to notice it

    Female: one of two binary genders where one feels fully and completely female; can and is used in conjunction with other gender labels and identities

    Femfluid: having fluctuating or fluid gender feelings that are limited to feminine genders

    Femgender: a nonbinary gender which is feminine in nature

    Fluidflux: the feeling of being fluid between two or more genders that also fluctuate in intensity; a combination of genderfluid and genderflux

    Gemigender: having two opposite genders that work together, being fluid and flux together

    Genderblank: a gender that can only be described as a blank space; when gender is called into question, all that comes to mind is a blank space

    Genderflow: a gender that is fluid between infinite feelings

    Genderfluid: the feeling of fluidity within your gender identity; feeling a different gender as time passes or as situations change; not restricted to any number of genders

    Genderflux: the feeling of your gender fluctuating in intensity; like genderfluid but between one gender and agender

    Genderfuzz: coined by lolzmelmel; the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with blurgender

    Gender Neutral: the feeling of having a neutral gender, whether somewhere in between masculine and feminine or a third gender that is separate from the binary; often paired with neutrois

    Genderpunk: a gender identity that actively resists gender norms

    Genderqueer: originally used as an umbrella term for nonbinary individuals; may be used as an identity; describes a nonbinary gender regardless of whether the individual is masculine or feminine leaning

    Genderwitched: a gender in which one is intrigued or entranced by the idea of a particular gender, but is not certain that they are actually feeling it

    Girlflux: when one feels mostly or all female most of the time but experiences fluctuating intensities of female identity

    Glassgender: a gender that is very sensitive and fragile

    Glimragender: a faintly shining, wavering gender

    Greygender: having a gender that is mostly outside of the binary but is weak and can barely be felt

    Gyragender: having multiple genders but understanding none of them

    Healgender: a gender that once realized, brings lots of peace, clarity, security, and creativity to the individual’s mind

    Heliogender: a gender that is warm and burning

    Hemigender: a gender that is half one gender and half something else; one or both halves may be identifiable genders

    Horogender: a gender that changes over time with the core feeling remaining the same

    Hydrogender: a gender which shares qualities with water

    Imperigender: a fluid gender that can be controlled by the individual

    Intergender: the feeling of gender falling somewhere on the spectrum between masculine and feminine. Meant for intersex people only

    Juxera: a feminine gender similar to girl, but on a separate plane and off to itself

    Libragender: a gender that feels agender but has a strong connection to another gender

    Male: one of two binary genders where one feels fully and completely male; can and is used in conjunction with other gender labels and identities

    Magigender: a gender that is mostly gender and the rest is something else

    Mascfluid: A gender that is fluid in nature, and restricted only to masculine genders

    Mascgender: a non-binary gender which is masculine in nature.

    Maverique: taken from the word maverick; the feeling of having a gender that is separate from masculinity, femininity, and neutrality, but is not agender; a form of third gender

    Mirrorgender: a gender that changes to fit the people around you

    Molligender: a gender that is soft, subtle, and subdued

    Multigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender

    Nanogender: feeling a small part of one gender with the rest being something else

    Neutrois: the feeling of having a neutral gender; sometimes a lack of gender that leads to feeling neutral

    Nonbinary: originally an umbrella term for any gender outside the binary of cisgenders; may be used as an individual identity; occasionally used alongside of genderqueer

    Omnigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender

    Oneirogender: coined by anonymous, “being agender, but having recurring fantasies or daydreams of being a certain gender without the dysphoria or desire to actually be that gender day-to-day”

    Pangender: the feeling of having every gender; this is considered problematic by some communities and thus has been used as the concept of relating in some way to all genders as opposed to containing every gender identity; only applies to genders within one’s own culture

    Paragender: the feeling very near one gender and partially something else which keeps you from feeling fully that gender

    Perigender: identifying with a gender but not as a gender

    Polygender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender

    Proxvir: a masculine gender similar to boy, but on a separate plane and off to itself

    Quoigender: feeling as if the concept of gender is inapplicable or nonsensical to one’s self

    Subgender: mostly agender with a bit of another gender

    Surgender: having a gender that is 100% one gender but with more of another gender added on top of that

    Systemgender: a gender that is the sum of all the genders within a multiple or median system

    Tragender: a gender that stretches over the whole spectrum of genders

    Transgender: any gender identity that transcends or does not align with your assigned gender or society’s idea of gender; the feeling of being any gender that does not match your assigned gender

    Transneutral: A term used to describe transgender people who were assigned male or female at birth, but identify with neutral gendered feelings to a greater extent than with femininity or masculinity. It is used the same way as “transfeminine” or “transmasculine”, but for neutral feelings. It can be used to describe gendered feelings, or as a gender itself.

    Trigender: the feeling of having three simultaneous or fluctuating genders

    Vapogender: a gender that sort of feels like smoke; can be seen on a shallow level but once you go deeper, it disappears and you are left with no gender and only tiny wisps of what you thought it was

    Venngender: when two genders overlap creating an entirely new gender; like a venn diagram

    Verangender: a gender that seems to shift/change the moment it is identified

    Vibragender: a gender that is usually one stable gender but will occasionally changes or fluctuate before stabilizing again

    Vocigender: a gender that is weak or hollow

    You work out the abbreviation

  21. calli

    Up to 15 staff will be made redundant

    A huge retailer goes to the wall. Must be all the cheap ABC stock coming in from overseas.

  22. Rossini

    Top 30
    What can I add
    Stupid. Forken. Liberals

  23. jupes

    Gender Master List

    At what point are they just pulling the piss?

  24. Top Ender

    A huge retailer goes to the wall.

    Could save the day by getting in dumpster loads of Bandana Man’s works.

    Must be popular with luvvies.

    Apparently not.

  25. calli

    Jupes, just about here:

    Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are

    I hope.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    H B Bear

    #2789667, posted on August 15, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    The ABC plans to exit retail, closing its ABC Shop Online and its bricks and mortar ABC Centres by the end of the year. Up to 15 staff will be made redundant as a result of the proposal, which is subject to consultation with unions and staff.

    Uh-huh.
    There would be way more than 15 people employed in the online and walk-in shops.
    So what has happened here?
    Fifteen long-termers have volunteered to be paid a shitload to leave.
    Anyone who didn’t want a big package just yet is absorbed into the “no more fat to cut” ABC broadcasting.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    Vocigender: a gender that is weak or hollow

    This is clearly anyone with a hipster beard and tattoos.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This is clearly anyone with a hipster beard and tattoos.

    You forgot the man – bun.

  29. Mother Lode

    Anne Aly needs to dry her tears and still her trembling lip.

    Just another one of those shitheads who must think of themselves as victims of the suddenly knowable other, and casting themselves as heroically fighting against overwhelming odd, to justify her sadistic and vindictive attacks on people who disagree with her.

  30. Stimpson J. Cat

    Exgender: the outright refusal to accept or identify in, on, or around the gender spectrum

    Clearly describing Monty and his refusal to accept his blatant Lesbianism.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    Vapogender: a gender that sort of feels like smoke; can be seen on a shallow level but once you go deeper, it disappears and you are left with no gender and only tiny wisps of what you thought it was

    This is f$cking absolutely fantastic guys.

  32. Diogenes

    There would be way more than 15 people employed in the online and walk-in shops.

    The actual walk in ABC shops were closed down a few years ago, they have agencies thus
    15 to run online ops could be feasible…
    1 * manager
    1 * relationships manager (to handle the franchisees)
    1-2 * PA
    1 * IT team of 2 or 3 (might need a team leader)
    5-10 lackeys to pick orders and dispatch (might need a team leader)

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    Genderwitched: a gender in which one is intrigued or entranced by the idea of a particular gender, but is not certain that they are actually feeling it

    I mean you could just post these all day long.
    Just outrageous.

  34. Dr Fred Lenin

    How about we form an “ extreme right wing “( non communist ) movement to destroy u..communist crony billlionaiire fascism in all its forms ? We could call it the Radical Populist Movement ,not party,we have gone off parties full of career wankers . The very name would strike fear into the left fascists ,we could be non racist not favouring any race or religion over anyone else , climate deniers , anti feminazi , politically incorrect as hell ,and dedicated to minuscule government an minimum regulation and selective migration . There is a great need for suck]h a group to destroy communism before it destroys us .

  35. Gilas

    FMD! What a bunch of verbally incontinent old nellies many Cats are!

    Anning makes a speech, full of common-sense truths, the usual permanent offenderati (fuck them all from arseholes to breakfast time) pick on two words, out of context, and the Cat goes into conniptions of agreement with the putrified, faeculent leftards.

    Anning said: “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.” On 2GB this morning he defended himself by admitting to a poor chice of words, proposing “ultimate” instead of “final”, all too late, of course.

    Why didn’t anyone point out the absurd corollary that, if “final solution” implies Nazism then “popular vote” implies Einsatzgruppen, Waffen-SS and Dachau?

    With friends like the conservatives here, the left have it won.

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    Mascfluid: A gender that is fluid in nature, and restricted only to masculine genders

    All right who wants some Mascfluid?

  37. Baldrick

    43rd Battalion A.I.F.

    Weathers, Lawrence Carthage (1890–1918)
    After the capture of Mont St Quentin, the duty of clearing a small area criss-crossed with barbed wire entanglements north of Péronne fell to the 43rd Battalion on 2 September 1918. The major objective was Scutari trench. The unit went forward at 5.35 that morning, but was halted by scything fire. From the vanguard Weathers attacked the enemy garrison and killed its leader. Replenishing his stock of bombs, with three others he went back into the fray. Given cover by a comrade’s Lewis-gun, Weathers seemed oblivious to danger as he scaled the German parapet and hurled his bombs into the trench below. By 7 a.m. resistance ceased. He took three machine-guns and 180 prisoners back to his lines. His uniform caked in mud, with blood streaming down his face and five days stubble, Weathers looked quite a ‘card’ to his mates when he returned with souvenired German binoculars and pistols festooning him like a Christmas tree. The strain and the release of nerves showed in his chatter of how he had ‘put the wind up’ the enemy. He was recommended for the Victoria Cross.
    Promoted temporary corporal on 10 September 1918 (his fifth wedding anniversary), Weathers received a short respite from action before moving with his battalion to attack the Hindenburg line between Rosnoy and Bony. At dawn on the 29th the engagement commenced; wounded by shell-fire, Weathers died before dusk. He never knew of his V.C. which was gazetted on Christmas eve.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why didn’t anyone point out the absurd corollary that, if “final solution” implies Nazism then “popular vote” implies Einsatzgruppen, Waffen-SS and Dachau?

    Why didn’t any J$wish Conservatives rush to defend him and assure everyone that he is clearly not a Nazi and everything is fine?

  39. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.”

    That doesn’t even make sense.

    That is not the solution at all. Australia has for the last decade rejected the carbon scam at the polls, but to no avail.

    The only solution is enshrined legislation limiting immigration, gassing our political class and burying them in mass unmarked graves.

  40. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This is an ongoing list of gender identities.

    Has this been updated for DSM-V?

  41. Diogenes

    I posted the list because my students pointed t out to me , we are talking about appropriate data types to store different data , believe it or not there is an ISO standard ISO/IEC 5218 which lays down a mere 4 codes. The four codes specified in ISO/IEC 5218 are:

    0 = not known,
    1 = male,
    2 = female,
    9 = not applicable.
    The standard specifies that its use may be referred to by the designator “SEX”.

    The standard explicitly states that no significance is to be placed on the encoding of male as 1 and female as 2; the encoding merely reflects existing practice in the countries that initiated this standard. The standard also explains that it “meets the requirements of most applications that need to code human sexes. It does not provide codes for sexes that may be required in specific medical and scientific applications or in applications that need to code sex information other than for human beings.”

    ISO/IEC 5218 was created by ISO’s Data Management and Interchange Technical Committee, proposed in November 1976, and updated in July 2004.

  42. wivenhoe

    At what point are they just pulling the piss
    At anything beyond Male, and Female.

  43. cohenite

    With friends like the conservatives here, the left have it won.

    Not me, I’m conservative and I think Anning’s speech is spot on.

    My final solution to every day is to go to bed.

  44. Mother Lode

    Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are

    Since, among the shifting quantum physics-like gender politics, where genders spring from nothing and just as swiftly coalesce into nothingness, a preference for blondes or brunette likely counts as two distinct genders of the preferring subject, a great many of us may be Alexigender.

  45. Gilas

    Why didn’t any J$wish Conservatives rush to defend him and assure everyone that he is clearly not a Nazi and everything is fine?

    Because they are part of the problem, most think like many Cats here and get swallowed up in the general, manufactured hysteria of the vile Permanently Aggrieved.

    Vacuous, shallow virtue signaling isn’t the sole preserve of the Left, just look at Bolta.

  46. Delta A

    At anything beyond Male, and Female.

    Precisely!

  47. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Why didn’t any J$wish Conservatives rush to defend him and assure everyone that he is clearly not a Nazi and everything is fine?

    Too heavily invested in property development.

    Ponzi!

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ben Roberts-Smith VC: a wartime hero in the crosshairs

    nd National Security Editor
    @paul_maley
    12:00AM August 15, 2018

    When Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith traded the sandy beret of the Special Air Service for the power suits of corporate Australia, he probably thought his fighting days were over.

    For 10 years Roberts-Smith had served as an SAS operator, deploying to Iraq, then Afghanistan, where he completed six combat rotations. When Roberts-Smith separated from the army in 2013 he could count himself one lucky man. He had survived countless patrols, firefights and other scrapes with the Taliban, some of which had claimed the lives of his good mates, such as Sergeant Matthew Locke, who died in an insurgent ambush in 2007.

    Roberts-Smith was also leaving as one of the country’s most decorated soldiers, and arguably its most famous. His 201I citation for the Victoria Cross is worth repeating if only because it describes the heights he ascended as a soldier as well as the distance he now is poised to fall should the worst claims against him prove true.

    It recounts a helicopter assault in Tizak, in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province on June 11, 2010.

    “As he approached the structure, Corporal Roberts-Smith identified an insurgent grenadier in the throes of engaging his ­patrol. Corporal Roberts-Smith instinctively engaged the insurgent at point-blank range resulting in the death of the insurgent. With the members of his patrol still pinned down by the three enemy machinegun positions, he exposed his own position in order to draw fire away from his patrol, which enabled them to bring fire to bear against the enemy.

    “His actions enabled his Patrol Commander to throw a grenade and silence one of the machine guns. Seizing the advantage, and demonstrating extreme devotion to duty and the most conspicuous gallantry, Corporal Roberts-Smith, with a total disregard for his own safety, stormed the enemy position, killing the two remaining machine gunners.’’

    From the Oz. I haven’t posted the whole article, but there’s the rather chilling statistic that.of 42 Australians KIA in Afghanistan, SEVEN were “blue on green” – murdered by Taliban turncoats, working in the Afghan security farce.

  49. Gilas

    My final solution to every day is to go to bed.

    Ha, ha, you are not one of the Cats I was referring to, Cohenite.

  50. John Constantine

    Wool through the roof today – You don’t see to many days like this
    By: “Prime” Ag News
    Aug 15, 2018
    Sheep & Wool News

    AWEX KareeWool market report the South on August 15

    Southern Indicator: 2065 +98

    18: 2621 +141

    19: 2449 +121

    20: 2365 +119

    21: 2360 +130

    22: 2334 +133

    23: 2297 +102

    28: 959 +73

    MC: 1539 +62

    PI: 2.2%”

  51. stackja

    BS has told parliament wages too low. Too many recent arrivals accepting low wages negotiated by unions?

  52. DrBeauGan

    gassing our political class and burying them in mass unmarked graves.

    Awww! I want to hang them from lamp-posts.

  53. Makka

    Gilas,

    You miss the point entirely. The conniptions are about the sabotage of a vitally important debate by invoking verbiage that could imply the Holocaust is some kind of solution. Good discussion, undermined. Like it or not, the argument for reduced or halting immigration is out in the public domain where public opinion , which needs to be forced apon unwilling politicians, is NOT winning. Anning’s speech has done no good (plenty of harm) in gifting these Uniparty creeps and their media conspirators a megaphone to once again shout down the commonsense of the everyman electorate. That’s the real issue at hand.

  54. calli

    Gilas
    #2789689, posted on August 15, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Yes.

    I reminded me of the ABC’s reaction to Franklin’s Quadrant article.

  55. stackja

    MT said party support NEG. No vote taken. MT not supported.

  56. Elle

    Anne Aly needs to dry her tears and still her trembling lip.

    Just viewed her performance. It reminds me of Julie Gillard’s misogyny speech – irrational. Us women may get emotional in private … or on a blog (guilty Your Honour), but to do it in the work place is not on, especially if you’re in a position of power. To cry and carry on, stomp your foot and get all emo at work is the sign of a weak person, who is not fit for the job.

  57. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    You miss the point entirely. The conniptions are about the sabotage of a vitally important debate by invoking verbiage that could imply the Holocaust is some kind of solution. Good discussion, undermined. Like it or not, the argument for reduced or halting immigration is out in the public domain where public opinion , which needs to be forced apon unwilling politicians, is NOT winning. Anning’s speech has done no good (plenty of harm) in gifting these Uniparty creeps and their media conspirators a megaphone to once again shout down the commonsense of the everyman electorate. That’s the real issue at hand.

    Exactly.

    The response to the speech was so quick and co-ordinated that is defies rational belief that the wording wasn’t included in order to undermine the immigration ponzi pushback.

    Anning is the dupe for the ponzi class.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    So a bunch of ABC progressive socialists can’t run a shopping chain.
    Nor it seems can a bunch of Fakefax progressive socialists run a media group.

    Fairfax posts $63.8 million loss as revenue drops 3.1 percent

    Fairfax Media has posted a $63.8 million loss, swinging wildly from the net profit of $83.9 million delivered the year prior.

    The Australian multimedia giant, which recently announced a plan to merge with Nine Entertainment Co saw revenue over the last twelve months fall 3.1 percent to $1.7 billion.

    Significant items after tax totalled $188.7 million loss, and underlying earnings grew 1.2 percent to $274.2 million.

    Maybe socialists hate capitalism so much because they don’t know how to do it properly.

  59. Speedbox

    Was reading an interesting article about Trump and his evolving relationship with Russia. This is an edited version.

    Russia can be disliked.…but it cannot be ignored and its geopolitical importance to the United States is becoming more evident.

    There are only three countries in the world that are rightly regarded as primary powers — the US, Russia and China. From a nuclear standpoint, Russia is at least on par with the United States and well ahead of China, France, the UK and other nuclear powers. This reality sets up a predictable three-party dynamic.

    In any three-party dynamic, whether it’s a poker game or a struggle for global control, the dynamic is simple: Two of the powers often align explicitly or implicitly against the third. In a geopolitical sense the two aligned powers refrain from using their power against each other in order to conserve it for use against the third power. Meanwhile, the third power, the ‘odd man out’, suffers from having to expend military and economic resources to fend off adventurism by both of its opponents with no help from either.

    China is the greatest geopolitical threat to the US because of its economic and technological advances and its ambition to push the US out of the Western Pacific sphere of influence. Russia, on the other hand, may be a threat to some of its neighbours, but it is far less of a threat to US strategic interests. Therefore, a logical balance of power in the world would be for the US and Russia to find common ground in the containment of China and jointly pursue the reduction of Chinese power.

    For the past 50 or 60 years it has been US policy to make sure that Russia and China never form an alliance. Keeping them separated was key, but China and Russia are forging stronger ties through the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a military and economic treaty, and the BRICS institutions — the BRICS analogues to the IMF and the World Bank, critical infrastructure, bilateral trade deals, bilateral currency swaps, arms sales, etc.

    Meanwhile, the US finds itself at odds with both Russia and China over different issues. Who is likely to be on the losing end of that? The United States.

    This two-against-one strategic alignment of China and Russia against the US is a strategic blunder by the US. The United States has largely withdrawn from the Middle East while Russia has cultivated influence and China is expanding in the South China Sea and the south pacific whilst Russia is expanding on its periphery. They have each other’s back, and the US is the odd man out.

    But the Russian/Chinese relationship can be exploited.

    There are fissures in the Chinese-Russian relationship that the US could leverage. For example, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US are the largest energy producers in the world. If Russia, the US and Saudi Arabia can co-operate in a loose alliance, they dominate the energy markets. They can cut you off, they can supply and, they can set prices.

    And whilst we all need energy, who is particularly vulnerable? China.

    China has very little oil or natural gas. It does have coal, but if you’ve been to Beijing lately, you know it looks black at noon because the air is so bad and you can’t breathe it. Pulmonary disease is becoming fairly common. They’re literally choking themselves to death. So Russia, the US and Saudi Arabia acting jointly could have China at their mercy.

    But the US presently has no relationship with Russia to help back up its position against China. It’s two-against-one, and the US is, at the moment, the odd man out.

    In a three-handed poker game, if you don’t know who the sucker is, you’re the sucker.

    As China’s power expands and as US power is put to the test in Asia, it is likely that the US will correct its strategic short-sightedness and find ways to work with Russia. This will not be done out of wishful thinking about the true nature of Putin or his regime, but as a simple matter of geopolitical necessity for broader US security. Trump will try to make China the odd man out. Very few people seem to get this.

  60. Elle

    Why didn’t any J$wish Conservatives rush to defend him and assure everyone that he is clearly not a Nazi and everything is fine?

    I agreed with the content of his speech, just not the phrase used. Labelling him a Nazi is wrong.

  61. cohenite

    China has very little oil or natural gas. It does have coal, but if you’ve been to Beijing lately, you know it looks black at noon because the air is so bad and you can’t breathe it. Pulmonary disease is becoming fairly common. They’re literally choking themselves to death.

    Is that from coal or leaded and unfiltered fuel.

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    I agreed with the content of his speech, just not the phrase used. Labelling him a Nazi is wrong.

    Not nobodies like you and me Elle.

    I meant prominent J$wish Conservatives, you know, like Josh Frydenberg.

  63. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I meant prominent J$wish Conservatives, you know, like Josh Frydenberg.

    Frydenberg is too busy degrading our base load power and creating an enshrined renewable ponzi.

    He knows the immigration ponzi is in good hands already.

  64. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Sky News Australia

    Verified account

    @SkyNewsAust
    1h1 hour ago
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    [email protected] says Senator Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration were ‘abhorrent and dangerous’.

    ‘That sort of comment is the biggest supporters for the recruiters of terrorism that I can imagine.’

    Ponzi!

  65. .

    https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/3295673/beat-the-drought-build-bradfield/

    Could this by done in the market? Or under average costs by the public sector, passing a CBA?

    Beats virtue signalling with $2 from each parmi you buy at the pub.

  66. Makka

    Is that from coal or leaded and unfiltered fuel.

    All of that and a squillion factories and industrial plants in the region. Beijing is in a large geographic basin and with prevailing winds at certain times of the year, the airborne pollution becomes dammed up, producing the terrible pollution we see.

  67. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Alan Tudge

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    Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration do not reflect the views of the Government nor the views of fair minded Australians. We will always maintain a non-discriminatory immigration program.

    Ponzi!

  68. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Malcolm Turnbull

    Verified account

    @TurnbullMalcolm
    20h20 hours ago
    More Malcolm Turnbull Retweeted Alan Tudge
    Well said Alan. Australia is the most successful multicultural society in the world built on a foundation of mutual respect. We reject and condemn racism in any form.

    Ponzi!

  69. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Angus Taylor MP Retweeted

    Alan Tudge

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    Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration do not reflect the views of the Government nor the views of fair minded Australians. We will always maintain a non-discriminatory immigration program.

    ponzi!

  70. Roger

    I meant prominent J$wish Conservatives, you know, like Josh Frydenberg.

    If ssm supporter and Paris Agreement enthusiast Josh Frydenberg is a J3wish conservative then Malcolm Turnbull is a devout Catholic.

  71. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Greg Hunt Retweeted

    Alan Tudge

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    Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration do not reflect the views of the Government nor the views of fair minded Australians. We will always maintain a non-discriminatory immigration program.

    Ponzi!

  72. Makka

    That sort of comment is the biggest supporters for the recruiters of terrorism that I can imagine.’

    So any talk of reducing migration or curtailing moslem migrants makes you a terrorist sympathizer, says the Treasurer.

    FMD, what a country.

  73. You miss the point entirely. The conniptions are about the sabotage of a vitally important debate by invoking verbiage that could imply the Holocaust is some kind of solution.

    No. No fair reading of “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote” involves the implication of the Holocaust. Sorry, but No. You cannot even argue against illegal immigration without being accused of racism and the like, so imagining that if only we are very, very nuanced we might be permitted to have this ‘vitally important debate’ by the media and political class is self-defeating. You aren’t. You are going to have to fight for it.

    Some of you have been very critical of Abbott but the more I see the reaction hee the more I’m convinced that beyond his defects, he probably made the right decision that half of us wouldn’t have his back when he made a mistake and would pile on as soon as the media, etc. smelt the merest whiff of blood. Sides in sport and elsewhere don’t win because they are flawless, they win because their teammates back them up even when they take risks and miss the mark.

  74. JC

    cohenite
    #2789699, posted on August 15, 2018 at 4:59 pm
    With friends like the conservatives here, the left have it won.

    Not me, I’m conservative and I think Anning’s speech is spot on.

    My final solution to every day is to go to bed.

    Cohenite,

    You really need to stop hallucinating. You’re old style, social conservative labor. You’ve posted unpursasive propangada supoorting One Nation’s illiberal socialist policies such as the ridiculous turnover tax Hanson has floated thinking it’s a great idea.

  75. calli

    Lock step nightie tearing and backslapping.

    Predictable.

    You need to be very Agile! to do all three simultaneously.

  76. Leigh Lowe

    IT, are you hinting that our current immigration scheme would be better run by Bernie Madoff?

  77. Stimpson J. Cat

    Agile!

    That’s me!
    Also unconventionally attractive and bald Calli, don’t forget.

  78. Tintarella di Luna

    Someone called the Bunyip has commented on the Daily Telegraph story of Jacqueline Maley’s twittering.:

    The Bunyip 8 hours ago
    When the Left set out to infiltrate the institutions I didn’t think it would include the Liberal Party.

  79. Nick

    Just watched Sadiq Khan on UK morning TV here in Dublin. Lol it was Pythonesque.

  80. Gilas

    Anning’s speech has done no good (plenty of harm) in gifting these Uniparty creeps and their media conspirators a megaphone to once again shout down the commonsense of the everyman electorate. That’s the real issue at hand.

    Makka, Anning’s speech was excellent, replete with well-articulated truths about the immigrant problem.
    The usual fucktards take a couple of excerpts, appallingly misconstrue them into WAH and Nazism and, instead of pointing out the blatant fallacies in their demented arguments, what do conservatives do?

    They fall into line with the vile lunatics, virtue-signal just like them, yet-again confirm the rabble that is the non-Left, and lose a great opportunity in calling out the Left’s mendacity, hypocrisy, ahistorical revisionism, illogical failures and all-round bastardry. Also butchering the argument entirely by failing to point out the Leftards’ frequent use of the same terminology.

    When one finds themselves agreeing with Malturd or that Wong monstrosity, one needs to look at oneself, very, very seriously indeed.

  81. Makka

    No. No fair reading of “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote” involves the implication of the Holocaust. Sorry, but No.

    Dover,
    You miss the point too. You are farting against thunder. Anning’s words undermined his own very logical and pertinent argument. He gifted the Uniparty the bullets and the weapon to mow him down.

    When I read those words “ the final solution” I knew he and his message was done for.

    SO SHOULD HE.

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    Reading ECAJ Co-Ceo Alex Ryvchins article, you have to admire his chutzpah on immigration, especially when contrasted with Israel’s policies.

    The specter of fascism, of unabashed Hitler enthusiasts on our networks and first speeches calling for a return to a migration policy that would have excluded many of the Australians who have made the greatest contributions to our country, is alarming to Australian J$ws. More than that, it shows us a collective amnesia. The origins of genocide lie in permissive bias and discrimination, and the migrant hordes we now so fear are no different to the “refos” and “rootless cosmopolitans” we thought would never become proper Australians.

    Oy vey!

  83. Nick

    Leigh, Hvar was a nice town but it was schoolies meets the boat show. Korcula, Mljet and Dubrovnik were standouts.

  84. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    IT, are you hinting that our current immigration scheme would be better run by Bernie Madoff?

    If Madoff ran a property development company or a tertiary diploma printing press he would be deliorious at our immigration ponzi.

    He was a rank amateur compared to what is taking place in this country

  85. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Leigh, Hvar was a nice town but it was schoolies meets the boat show. Korcula, Mljet and Dubrovnik were standouts.

    The little islands just off Hvar are the best places in Croatia.

  86. Makka

    When one finds themselves agreeing with Malturd or that Wong monstrosity, one needs to look at oneself, very, very seriously indeed.

    Don’t be an idiot. There is no agreement with Turdball, except by some fools here who when he ascended the throne thought he was God arriving in the building.

    This war about turning public opinion into Govt policy and Anning just handed the Uniparty a battle victory. Waffle on as much as you like, it was a good opportunity sabotaged, wasted, forfeited, whatever.

  87. Gilas

    dover_beach
    #2789735, posted on August 15, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Spot on, brother.

  88. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Hungary has just banned all gender studies degrees.

    This is what righteousness looks like.

    Trump is nothing compared to Orban.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    The little islands just off Hvar are the best places in Croatia

    True.
    We hired a boat one day (with driver) and cruised around.
    Bar on the beach.
    Better than chocolate and prawns combined.

  90. Tel

    Sorry, but No. You cannot even argue against illegal immigration without being accused of racism and the like, so imagining that if only we are very, very nuanced we might be permitted to have this ‘vitally important debate’ by the media and political class is self-defeating. You aren’t. You are going to have to fight for it.

    It’s sometimes easier to win a fight if you get to select the field of battle, instead of wandering around until your opponent saps you in the back of the head. That’s perhaps a very poorly translated Sun Tsu for you guys. Hope that helps.

  91. areff

    “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote”

    substitute a synonym to test the meaning

    “[genocide] ….. is, of course, a popular vote”

    Yep. Straight out of Mein Kampf.

  92. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Makka, Anning’s speech was excellent, replete with well-articulated truths about the immigrant problem.

    All ignored because of some very peculiar and highly suspect phraseology planted in the speech.

    The fix was in and the dupe played his part spectacularly.

  93. Entropy

    .
    #2789726, posted on August 15, 2018 at 5:26 pm
    https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/3295673/beat-the-drought-build-bradfield/

    Could this by done in the market? Or under average costs by the public sector, passing a CBA?

    Beats virtue signalling with $2 from each parmi you buy at the pub

    Its mental dot. Ian only makes sense when you look at an A4 map of Queensland. Anything that gives you an actual idea of the real distances involved, and how flat it all is, and you realise that anyone who really does think it makes sense is mentally deficient.
    Besides, with the GAB there is plenty of water at hand for livestock. Water isn’t. The stocks’ problem. It is just the pastures need rain, and it is too vast a scale to do any more than token irrigation even if you built a canal from Port Augusta to Karumba complete with multiple desal plants.

  94. Gilas

    This war about turning public opinion into Govt policy and Anning just handed the Uniparty a battle victory. Waffle on as much as you like, it was a good opportunity sabotaged, wasted, forfeited, whatever.

    Bullshit!
    Anning was never going to change the Uniparty’s opinion on anything.
    The public might have got the correct message, but it was deliberately derailed by the usual suspects. If they hadn’t picked on those words, they would have found another disctraction squirrel, or ignored it altogether.

    Conservatives fighting among themselves, missing glaring opportunities to counter-attack in issues like these, is why the Leftards have won, and continue to win.

  95. Dover,
    You miss the point too. You are farting against thunder. Anning’s words undermined his own very logical and pertinent argument. He gifted the Uniparty the bullets and the weapon to mow him down.

    Nonsense. Does anyone here really believe that had this phrase been absent from the speech we would be now at the very start of a ‘vitally important debate’ in which all sides would be listened to with courtesy? Of course not. No one that has made even the most guarded criticism of our current immigration policy has been granted such courtesy.

  96. Confused Old Misfit

    Outrage over Fraser Anning’s use of a phrase and the acceptance of restrictions on its usage is tantamount to capitulation to the progressives. You want to be seen as not too dangerous to them. You appease, thinking that through appeasement you will win. You are fools.
    Just like “gay” was given away to the homosexuals, so you will toss “final solution” to the ravers of the left.
    You are not doing anything by exhibiting this craven posture bit paving the way for compelled speech. Compelled by legislation.

  97. Confused Old Misfit

    Bugger! bit=but!

  98. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

    The former prime minister today added his voice to the chorus of disapproval over Senator Anning’s first speech, in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and a “final solution to the immigration problem”.

    As prime minister I oversaw a non-discriminatory immigration policy,” Mr Howard told The Australian.

    “That remains my attitude. I found the Senator’s use of the expression ‘final solution’ particularly distasteful, given its horrific provenance.”

    Mr Howard also made the point that it was a Liberal prime minister who overturned the White Australia Policy.

    “By the way, Harold Holt dismantled the White Australia Policy, not Gough Whitlam,” he said.

    The Prince Of Ponzi, Australia’s most destructive PM has spoken.

    “Non discriminatory” is right. He invited the third world here and come they did.

  99. jupes

    His 201I citation for the Victoria Cross is worth repeating if only because it describes the heights he ascended as a soldier as well as the distance he now is poised to fall should the worst claims against him prove true.

    The “worst claims” against him are either #fakenews, negligible or not a crime at all.

    1. Shooting an unarmed “shepherd”. #fakenews. As R-S himself pointed out, if he was a shepherd, where were his sheep? He was spotting for the enemy during a fire-fight.
    2. Bashing a Talib. Negligible. He was an enemy in war time, if it did actually happen (R-S denies it) the Talib should think himself lucky that he was still alive.
    3. Bashing a subordinate. Negligible. If it did actually happen (R-S denies it) it should have been prosecuted at the time at unit level. Ridiculous to investigate it now, seven years later.
    4. Conducting a mock execution during training. Not a crime. If it did actually happen (R-S denies it) it was training. No one was hurt.
    5. Adultery. Not a crime.
    6. Domestic violence. #fakenews.

    The only crime committed in this sorry tale is treason and breaking the Secrets Act by the ADF leadership and the Inspector General. They have assisted the enemy in wartime by:
    1. Hiring a feminist academic (at the cost of millions!) to investigate special forces units.
    2. Directing the Inspector General to investigate war crimes by SF members on the basis of rumours.
    3. Placing ads in Afghan media asking the enemy to dob in SF members.
    4. Leaking rumours from the stupid investigation to the press.

  100. Leo G

    So any talk of reducing migration or curtailing moslem migrants makes you a terrorist sympathizer, says the Treasurer.

    There is an expression used to describe the practice of playing to a people’s sensitivity about race-related matters to elicit an emotional response.
    Race baiting.
    The Treasurer’s linking of an expression of concerns about Muslim immigration to sympathy for terrorism is an example.

  101. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Andrew Bolt is interviewing Katter and Hanson tonight.

    All he needs is one of those sign language guys to top it off.

  102. jupes

    “As prime minister I oversaw a non-discriminatory immigration policy,”

    Such pride in something so wrong and dangerous.

    What a stupid age we live in.

  103. Makka

    You cannot even argue against illegal immigration without being accused of racism and the like, so imagining that if only we are very, very nuanced we might be permitted to have this ‘vitally important debate’ by the media and political class is self-defeating. You aren’t. You are going to have to fight for it.

    That’s right. And you will need to be smart about it because you are up against an entrenched Uniparty political system and their corrupted media. Start by not shooting yourself in the foot or giving your opponent the ammo to do you in.

  104. John Constantine

    The danger with their turnstasi is the lawyer fascination with bastardry, using loopholes to sneak in treason.

    When turnbull bastardised the Australian water act, amongst all the crap, he got to make international law take command over Australian law. for examply the Ramsar convention on the rights of the waterfowl.

    This little turnfucker of a clause has allowed the clearances of the racist settlers of the murray darling basin and has leveraged the impact of the dry times by unwaveringly using the irrigation water of the basin to flush the Coorong Swamp.

    Even though we now know that the Coorong will eventually die if it is trapped as it is now, because the international rights of the waterfowl have been signed, there is nothing anybody can do.

    Engineering wise, the coorong used to be flushed as a tidal estuary, the way it is now, there isn’t enough fresh water in the murray darling basin to take the place of the sea.

    Indeed, because the fresh water moves slowly through agricultural land, it is sediment laden when it arrives at the coorong and the deposition of millions of tonnes of sediment will eventually fill the low places.

    Their turnbull had his wildfowl loophole clause though, and Australia is now unwaveringly committed to the economic suicide of the settler culture of the basin.

    Comrades.

  105. JC

    DB

    It’s not about logic, it’s about pursuading people. Words are important. Sure, it’s laughable nonsense to believe he was intending to suggest an association and a resolution along the lines of the Halocaust. However that’s what his enemies will do and look like succeeding.

  106. Baldrick

    I’m guessing Derryn was asleep, again.

    ABC Melbourne ✔ @abcmelbourne
    “I should have walked out,” @HumanHeadline (Derryn Hinch) says he found @fraser_anning’s speech racist and homophobic

  107. Baldrick

    John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

    Fuck off John.

  108. Exit Stage Right

    Fraser Anning is guilty of speaking the truth in a f****d up country.

  109. jupes

    Andrew Bolt is interviewing Katter and Hanson tonight.

    But not Anning himself?

    Last time he was on, Bolt ended the interview abruptly after Anning said words to the effect that he would deport all the Sudanese in a heartbeat.

  110. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    “I should have walked out,” @HumanHeadline (Derryn Hinch)

    3 bottles of cheap shiraz can do that to you.

  111. John Constantine

    Barnaby was interesting recently, when he remarked that because the Ord River Dam was protected by a signed international rights of the waterfowl treaty, it was impossible for a future greens government to dynamite the dam to save the river.

    Even though the ord river scheme waterfowl environment is entirely artificial, once it is signed into international law, it is protected from the Australian parliament.

    Comrades.

  112. Gilas

    The fix was in and the dupe played his part spectacularly.

    If you have to choose between conspiracy or incompetence, it’s far more likely to be the latter.

    Anning could have given a speech of Churchillian quality on immigration, and would have got the same result, or nothing at all.
    The Leftards re-assign the meaning of words/phrases all the time, and at will – one of the benefits of studying Critical Theory – and the stupid, clue-less conservatives often agree with them.

    FMD!

  113. And you will need to be smart about it because you are up against an entrenched Uniparty political system and their corrupted media. Start by not shooting yourself in the foot or giving your opponent the ammo to do you in.

    No, no, there are always going to be mistakes in any fight, so you are going to have to suffer the gaffs and take the hits, not expect every stoush to be undertaken flawlessly.

  114. Confused Old Misfit

    Derryn Hinch the human headline! Why/how did that idiot ever get elected? It could only have been a bad joke with unintended consequences. Has he contributed anything to the benefit of humanity? Besides some rather dubious entertainment?

  115. Atoms for Peace

    I trust that there is only one exit from the toilet called the Australian Senate.

  116. Anning could have given a speech of Churchillian quality

    Wasn’t someone jailed or fined, Paul Weston IIRC, for simply repeating a speech of Churchill’s out loud in public. So, yeah, if only we are statesmanlike in our criticisms of present immigration policy will we be given a fair hearing.
    Is that a pig flying?

  117. calli

    John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

    Yes, yes! Let’s not discriminate.

    Being choosy about who you invite through your front door is mean. Throw prudence to the winds.

  118. JC

    Misfit

    The war of words is not to convince enemies but to bring the masses over to your side. There’s nothing necessarily logical, nor even clear headed about it. Word choice matters.

  119. Makka

    Nonsense. Does anyone here really believe that had this phrase been absent from the speech we would be now at the very start of a ‘vitally important debate’ in which all sides would be listened to with courtesy? Of course not.

    No they wouldn’t. That is a given. But it is plain fkg dumb and entirely self defeating in a debate of this importance to give your opposition any advantage at all, let alone the highly charged and emotional ammo of labeling you a Holocaust supporter with your very own words. It is stupid beyond belief.

  120. Elle

    Someone called the Bunyip has commented on the Daily Telegraph story of Jacqueline Maley’s twittering.:

    The Bunyip 8 hours ago
    When the Left set out to infiltrate the institutions I didn’t think it would include the Liberal Party.

    Tintarella, could it be the Bunyip? Loved Bunyip’s work! Miss the Bunyip.

  121. Roger

    It’s not about logic, it’s about pursuading people.

    Rhetoric. Probably another term Fraser hasn’t heard of, alas.

  122. Delta A

    Serious question:

    can someone please tell me how/why increased immigration is economically beneficial to the country? Especially immigration from impoverished and war stricken countries, where immigrants bring few skills and rely on welfare for many years – sometimes for life.

    We hear all the time from Lib/Lab that immigration is a boon, but no-one explains the advantages which, according to ‘The Elites’, far outweigh the many negatives perceived by the plebs.

  123. Confused Old Misfit

    not expect every stoush to be undertaken flawlessly.

    This is specially true if you are supposedly getting criticism from your own side.
    Saying something that annoys or ignites a response from the enemy is rather the expected result for a stoush with any expectations of living up to the meaning of the word. If you couch every utterance with the caution that it might ignite a response from the other side then you will muzzle yourselves.
    And yes, things won’t always work out the way you either want or expect them to. But if you enter the fray expect to take more than a few knocks but have the fortitude to get up and give back double.

  124. jupes

    Someone called the Bunyip has commented on the Daily Telegraph story of Jacqueline Maley’s twittering.:

    We can only hope the good professor is back.

  125. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

    – Churchill.

    He was right then and is right now.

  126. Makka

    Delta, you will need a new thread.

  127. Baldrick

    John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

    A reminder of John Howard’s non-discriminatory immigration policy –
    “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

  128. cohenite

    You really need to stop hallucinating. You’re old style, social conservative labor. You’ve posted unpursasive propangada supoorting One Nation’s illiberal socialist policies such as the ridiculous turnover tax Hanson has floated thinking it’s a great idea.

    I don’t need to hallucinate head prefect, I just come to this psychedelic place.

    Anyway as usual you have things balls up. I support capitalism and hate commies. Pauline isn’t a commie and she had her own business making fish and chips. I support Pauline ‘s anti alarmist and renewables policy and her anti-islam stance.

    Don’t you?

  129. Tel

    It’s not about logic, it’s about pursuading people. Words are important.

    It’s about persuading disinterested, busy people who don’t do much reading, but do watch a lot of sport and/or fashion and cooking shows. People who never pondered much about actions and consequences, and who would be happy left inside their own little worlds, mostly want to keep away from controversy and don’t care much about either culture or religion to begin with.

    Derryn Hinch the human headline! Why/how did that idiot ever get elected?

    Yeah, that’s a good example, imagine you have to convince Derryn Hinch of your position… go!

    Actually, I think the average voter is even more disengaged than Hinch.

    Look, what happens is what happens. Look out for yourselves, try to do the right thing now and then, and have fun where you can. Don’t get this idea into you head that you are saving civilization or something. You aren’t gonna. Either civilization is rough and tough enough to look out for itself, or something else comes along… end of story.

  130. Makka

    Sir Winston Churchill ‘s family feared he might convert to Islam

    Thank God he came to his senses IT.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html

  131. Confused Old Misfit

    Delta A
    #2789788, posted on August 15, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Immigration helps a country develop and grow its prosperity IF and ONLY IF the immigrants the country accepts are prepared to contribute to it.

    Accepting a high number of immigrants who are ill equipped to make a positive contribution to their own and the country’s economic well being is, as we are seeing, not a good thing.

  132. Roger

    Especially immigration from impoverished and war stricken countries, where immigrants bring few skills and rely on welfare for many years – sometimes for life.

    Creates jobs in the welfare services sector.

    Not to mention much needed work for auto insurance fraud investigators.

  133. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s not about logic, it’s about persuading people.

    Rhetoric.

    Call me crazy, but I think I am very persuasive for a Mentally Ill person.

  134. Senile Old Guy

    Even though we now know that the Coorong will eventually die if it is trapped as it is now, because the international rights of the waterfowl have been signed, there is nothing anybody can do.

    This is not true. It can be done but the political will is not there. International treaties do not trump Australian law.

  135. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    can someone please tell me how/why increased immigration is economically beneficial to the country? Especially immigration from impoverished and war stricken countries, where immigrants bring few skills and rely on welfare for many years – sometimes for life.

    This nation is effectively run by a cabal of property developers, education diploma printers and corporatist social engineers.

    Funnily enough all of them live in 95% white suburbs.

    We are the very definition of a corporatist slave state.

  136. calli

    We are the very definition of a corporatist slave state.

    I have an escape plan.

  137. Confused Old Misfit

    This nation is effectively run by a cabal of property developers, education diploma printers and corporatist social engineers.

    And they are after your tax dollar, delivered to then via a compliant government, party doesn’t matter, for providing goods and services to this primitive mob.

    all of them live in 95% white suburbs.

    And will fight with a ferocity that is yet to be experienced any attempt to dilute that percentage.

  138. Tel

    Especially immigration from impoverished and war stricken countries, where immigrants bring few skills and rely on welfare for many years – sometimes for life.

    Vietnam was war torn and those guys start businesses all over the place.

    Admittedly they have not actually mingled a whole lot, but that’s the point about multiculturalism, there’s totally no incentive to mingle and probably most people aren’t all that interested anyhow. I think you guys expect too much. Aim lower.

  139. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Vietnam was war torn and those guys start businesses all over the place.

    Nail salons and knock shops.

  140. Gary

    JC Your usually more direct but you have been using ‘Boltistas’ to infer racism. Do you think Bolt is a racist?

  141. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Salvos Australia

    Verified account

    @salvos
    22h22 hours ago
    More
    Latest Census figures show 116,000 people are homeless and housing stress is increasing. The Salvos see the devastating effect of this every day – on average 80% of people seeking our support use more than half their income on housing costs #FilthyRichHomeless

    Ponzi!

  142. calli

    In other news:

    Coles plastic promotional crap washes up on beach.

    All we need now is for Nemo to swallow a mini Instant Noodles.

  143. Gilas

    It’s not about logic, it’s about pursuading people. Words are important.

    It’s about persuading disinterested, busy people who don’t do much reading, but do watch a lot of sport and/or fashion and cooking shows. People who never pondered much about actions and consequences

    Yes, but the Leftards would have destroyed the message all the same.
    Then Mr and Mrs disinterested see the conservatives agree with the Leftards, so the Leftards thus win unopposed.

    F&ck!ng tactical geniuses, those conservatives!

  144. JC

    Artie

    If a business is making a positive return then it’s existence doesn’t need to be judged.

    If it wasn’t for nail and hairdresser salons Australian retail strip shops would look like post war Berlin 1945.

  145. the highly charged and emotional ammo of labeling you a Holocaust supporter with your very own words.

    But they were not his own words. He did not recommend ‘the Final Solution’ for the immigration problem. He said, “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote”, where the final solution means a popular vote. What we’ve had today was perverse and mendacious hustlers deliberately mischaracterize what he said and meant.

    Again, this happens every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and says anything critical about our immigration program. It just doesn’t matter what is said, you are going to be mischaracterized as a racist, or the like.

  146. Makka

    Yes, but the Leftards would have destroyed the message all the same.</em

    Not at all. They would have tried , sure. And it's not just leftards. Don't you get that?

  147. Frank

    The only solution is enshrined legislation limiting immigration, gassing our political class and burying them in mass unmarked graves.

    A tentative caveat if I may. Perhaps the graves should remain marked so they can be ritually disinterred and have a stake thrust through their hearts on suitable public holidays.

  148. Roger

    Latest Census figures show 116,000 people are homeless and housing stress is increasing. The Salvos see the devastating effect of this every day – on average 80% of people seeking our support use more than half their income on housing costs

    Our parish runs a food bank. Demand is increasing like never before; housing and electricity costs are eating into the budgets of families whose savings have now been depleted. There’s a sense of foreboding about that our politicians, busy congratulating themselves on their rejection of “racism” (i.e. putting national interest above that of foreigners), seem largely insulated from.

  149. Pickles

    Any cats at the Windsor tomorrow night?

  150. Herodotus

    Gendrundive – a gender obsessed with Latin grammar, or possibly triathlons.

  151. John Constantine

    Kelly on Credlin reminds us that making punitive coercion a thing for electricity generation allows the loophole for punitive coercion of agriculture and transport.

    Lucy turnbullites will have the power to punish private car ownership any day now.

    Comrades.

  152. Makka

    Again, this happens every time someone sticks their head above the parapet and says anything critical about our immigration program. It just doesn’t matter what is said, you are going to be mischaracterized as a racist, or the like.

    Fight smart then, not dumb. I don’t need winning over to his argument. However there are plenty of lowfo types who do and using the words he chose simply helps drown out his message. It’s obvious.

  153. Bushkid

    Diogenes
    #2789670, posted on August 15, 2018 at 4:29 pm
    (What a very strange world the West now inhabits….)

    From http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender
    Gender Master List

    That list is surely a gigantic piss-take? No?

    Oh.

  154. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    If it wasn’t for nail and hairdresser salons Australian retail strip shops would look like post war Berlin 1945.

    When Australia finally ends in the next few years, all that will be left are nail salons and optometrists.

  155. JC

    Gary
    #2789811, posted on August 15, 2018 at 6:28 pm
    JC Your usually more direct but you have been using ‘Boltistas’ to infer racism. Do you think Bolt is a racist?

    The term I use is Boltrat for commenters like Snoopy Tester and other assorted miscreants who plague the site. It has nothing to do with wacism and all to do with low IQ groupyism. The easy going nature of this site’s moderation policy vs Bolt’s has unfortunately meant large numbers migrated here. Kind of ironic, in that my point sort of mirrors the arguments against wholesale immigration made here for almost 95% of the open thread.

    Years ago, Bolt alluded to me at a function he has a pretty low opinion of a large number of his followers. I agree with him 🙂

  156. testpattern

    ‘Anning is the dupe for the ponzi class.’

    Anning is no dupe, he’s well versed in the terminology of genocide. He uses it constantly while promoting the S.African white genocide conspiracy meme.

  157. Bruce in WA

    Being choosy about who you invite through your front door is mean. Throw prudence to the winds.

    What did poor old Pru ever do to you?

  158. Mater

    The war of words is not to convince enemies but to bring the masses over to your side. There’s nothing necessarily logical, nor even clear headed about it. Word choice matters.

    JC,
    As an optimist, I suspect that had those two words not been included, the vast majority of Australians wouldn’t have even known he’d made a speech. Like the Trump phenomenon, people are being told that a politician said something terrible, and people will go to check it out. They go for the controversy, and stay for the message. A good portion will agree with the gist and wonder what the big deal is over the two words which are being misrepresented.
    It’s all over the news and Facebook. It wouldn’t have been otherwise. DL only got his misandrist message out through controversy.
    Reading some of the comments around this story, I don’t think it’s all bad news.

  159. Frank

    If it wasn’t for nail and hairdresser salons Australian retail strip shops would look like post war Berlin 1945.

    Largish women in vibrating chairs with their feet marinating in buckets of softening agents while some emaciated asian woman darts all over them performing search and destroy missions on rogue hairs. Horrifying. They always sit in the window too so there is no avoiding it.

    Then there are the booths where they practice eyebrow plucking via the crossed string method. All out in the open like street food vendors.

    Australian strip malls are a horror show already.

  160. testpattern

    “[genocide] ….. is, of course, a popular vote”

    Fascism is the extremism/totalitarianism of the centre – Mosse, Lipset et al

  161. Habib

    @SkyNewsAust
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    [email protected] says Senator Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration were ‘abhorrent and dangerous’.

    ‘That sort of comment is the biggest supporters for the recruiters of terrorism that I can imagine.’

    So he’s admitting that moslems are violent, irrational, reactionary and dangerous then. Mozza’s had his stopped clock moment.

  162. JC

    Artie

    Strip shops in Australia consist of nail and hair salons, coffee shops and spec savers flogging cheap looking ugly eye ware. That’s it for 80% of retail space. If they weren’t around the capital value of retail shops would halve.

  163. cuckoo

    ABC comedy shows suck, but that’s not to say the network doesn’t produce things to make one laugh. On RN Breakfast every morning at about 6.50, Matt Bevan delivers a barely coherent spittle-flecked tirade against Trump. Today he varied things by bringing in the collapsed Italian bridge and all he could talk about was the newly elected anti-EU government. On the age-old principle of: even though the two things aren’t connected, if I stick them in the same sentence you dummies will think they are. Why didn’t he blame Berlusconi while he was at it?

  164. JC

    while some emaciated asian woman darts all over them performing

    By emaciated you mean slender as against the whale with her flippers in the salts bucket. I feel your pain.

  165. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Largish women in vibrating chairs with their feet marinating in buckets of softening agents while some emaciated asian woman darts all over them performing search and destroy missions on rogue hairs. Horrifying. They always sit in the window too so there is no avoiding it.

    Then there are the booths where they practice eyebrow plucking via the crossed string method. All out in the open like street food vendors.

    Australian strip malls are a horror show already.

    Don’t worry, all our future immigrants will one day be employed to wipe the same sort of women’s shit stained arse and wash her yoghurt covered underwear. All paid for by the NDIS.

    They’ll probably have booths for it at the abandoned Westfields.

  166. JC

    Hope you’re right, Mater. Could be.

  167. Frank

    I feel your pain.

    Not until you have experienced the sheer unadulterated shit show that is the food court downstairs at Eastlands in Hobart.

  168. JC

    Feet care salons are truly disgusting.

    Fuck me, who goes into a foot message store and sticks their
    feet in a bucket of water?

  169. Frank

    Fuck me, who goes into a foot message store and sticks their
    feet in a bucket of water?

    Someone that wants to soften their corns so that they are easier to have filed off.

  170. Gilas

    Not at all. They would have tried , sure. And it’s not just leftards. Don’t you get that?

    I am not the one who doesn’t get it. The war of ideas is a dirty one, the Leftards play it to perfection. They:

    re-define words,
    create issues out of nothing,
    play the man and not the issue,
    destroy and re-write history,
    throw logic and rationality under a bus,
    make a virtue of callous hypocrisy,
    are supreme masters of the language of Post-modernism, FemiNazism, Marxism and Critical Theory
    often use violence, usually with impunity (but that’s another story)

    Conservatives, on the other hand:

    bicker among themselves,
    use satire and sarcasm, thinking they are being clever,
    bicker among themselves
    bicker among themselves

    ..and we think we are the intelligent ones.

    We are actually a joke, and the Leftards know it.

  171. JC

    Not until you have experienced the sheer unadulterated shit show that is the food court downstairs at Eastlands in Hobart.

    There’s a version of that at Southbank in Melbourne. It’s against nature itself.

  172. Elle

    Years ago, Bolt alluded to me at a function he has a pretty low opinion of a large number of his followers. I agree with him 

    Really? Is that fake news, JC? I’m in the know too. Surprised at what you state… or maybe not. Bolt has been my long-time conservative fantasy – a real straight dude hankering for a spanking! Mreow!

  173. John Constantine

    Given past behaviour, why wouldn’t we think turnbull is setting up the four hundred million dollar great barrier reef Stasi in order to establish unwavering control over the reef for the transnational looting cartels.

    And the water that interacts with the reef.

    And the farms that interact with the water that interacts with the reef.

    All under transnational control.

    Just like turnbulls water act cleared the Murray darling basin, the catchments of the reef are next.

    Comrades.

  174. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    JC,
    As an optimist, I suspect that had those two words not been included, the vast majority of Australians wouldn’t have even known he’d made a speech. Like the Trump phenomenon, people are being told that a politician said something terrible, and people will go to check it out.

    Trump is a once in a hundred year phenomenon with 5 decades of pop-cultural capital fuelling him.

    Comparing anyone to Trump is pointless, but ridiculous in the case of Anning.

    Those two words were included by a duplicitous staffer as a deliberate ploy to derail the immigration pushback which has slowly been gathering steam.

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    @ScottMorrisonMP says Senator Fraser Anning’s comments on immigration were ‘abhorrent and dangerous’.

    Just think, Morro was the one who stopped the boats, remember.
    Or was it Tony?
    I forget.
    Feels so long ago.

  176. Fight smart then, not dumb.

    There is no “fighting smart” on this issue which is going to avoid calumnies and opprobrium. That is the point you are avoiding.

  177. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Just think, Morro was the one who stopped the boats, remember.

    50,000 Illegal immigrants were temporarily stopped.

    While that distraction squirrel was enacted a million immigrants every 3 years flooded the country via plane.

    We would have been better off with those numbers reversed.

  178. Tom

    Doug Parkinson: Dear Prudence.

    Great song — but not as good as I’ll Be Around. Doug Parkinson: great music I’ve been listening to for half a century since he played the beachfront at Lorne.

  179. egg_

    Just like turnbulls water act cleared the Murray darling basin,

    But, but… he’s been a Pitt St farmer for three decades!

  180. Stimpson J. Cat

    a real straight dude hankering for a spanking! Mreow!

    The only one who needs a spanking today is ECAJ Co-Ceo Alex Ryvchins Elle.

  181. Mater

    Those two words were included by a duplicitous staffer as a deliberate ploy to derail the immigration pushback which has slowly been gathering steam.

    Don’t worry about what was intended, it’s the result that counts.
    We’re talking about modern Australia here. If it doesn’t have ‘League’ in the title, the interest level is zero. Bread and circuses.
    The only way to get people interested in politics is to make it more like sport. Here we are.
    The message will resonate with Labor voters because it is implied that the money which the government should be giving to them, is actually being given to someone else.

  182. Neil

    We would have been better off with those numbers reversed.

    25M people in a country the size of Australia is not a lot of people. Great Britain is about the size of Victoria and Switzerland which has 7M people is the size of Tasmania

  183. Rae

    Professor Bunyips on-line moniker was just “Bunyip”. Not “The Bunyip”.

  184. Stimpson J. Cat

    Conservatives, on the other hand:
    bicker among themselves,
    use satire and sarcasm, thinking they are being clever,
    bicker among themselves
    bicker among themselves
    ..and we think we are the intelligent ones.

    Oh I’m not a Conservative.
    I know lots of people who aren’t.
    And I don’t find Conservatives behavior over the past thirty years amusing.
    I find it pathetic.
    And I’m not alone.

  185. Baldrick

    Were there calls of a White NZ Policy or racists? Ardern should step down for being xenophobic?

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    New Zealand bans foreigners from buying property

    No, it was a ‘significant milestone’.

  186. Infidel Tiger

    Neil you are an idiot.

    You spent 2 years on this website bitching that far more intelligent immigrants were putting you out of a job.

    STFU. I’ll bet you are a limey xunt.

  187. Stimpson J. Cat

    Oh God not Russian scientists again.

  188. Elle

    Professor Bunyips on-line moniker was just “Bunyip”. Not “The Bunyip”.

    True. Cheers, Rae.

  189. Neil

    You spent 2 years on this website bitching that far more intelligent immigrants were putting you out of a job.

    Correct. In general immigration is good for Australia. Greeks and Italians brought pizza shops, greek food and they contributed to Australia. They created jobs and made Australia a better place.

    But we do not need Doctors, Dentists, Scientists etc from Eastern Europe who only come here because the money is better . I think that is one reason the poms left the EU. They were getting swamped by people from Eastern Europe

  190. John Constantine

    Their scumbag ACCC takes time off from enforcing compulsory transgender veganist Stalinism to do some real enforcing.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-08-15/pig-farmers-warned-of-cartel-charges-if-they-collude-on-culling/10120396

    Feed prices go through the roof and pig prices collapse, so the ACCC threatens to ruin pig farmers for destocking.

    Comrades.

    [ still some aussies left, but you have to be a chick now to get away with it]

    “Ms Hoffrichter said the ACCC’s warning did not concern her.

    “I’d like them to come and knock on my door and tell me,” she said.

    “Any pig farmer needs to do what they have to do to keep themselves safe and operating well in their businesses.

    “Screw the man. If we’ve got to do what we’ve got to do, then that’s what we’ll do.”

  191. C.L.

    John Howard has condemned Fraser Anning’s use of the term “final solution”, and reiterated his support for a non-discriminatory immigration policy.

    The former prime minister today added his voice to the chorus of disapproval over Senator Anning’s first speech, in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and a “final solution to the immigration problem”.

  192. Tintarella di Luna

    “As prime minister I oversaw a non-discriminatory immigration policy,”

    Howard said — We will decide who comes here and the circumstances in which they come — that is a discriminatory immigration policy right there.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We’re talking about modern Australia here. If it doesn’t have ‘League’ in the title, the interest level is zero. Bread and circuses.

    Fair comment, Mater. Handing out “How to Vote” cards is an experience I would describe as both illuminating, and depressing at the same time.

  194. Death Giraffe

    I have had some trouble with the windscreen.
    After grinding, sanding, painting with rust converter and then washing the rust converter off with water, the bare metal quickly develops a faint coat of surface rust.
    I can’t paint over that.
    I am experimenting with a final solution of paint thinner and rust converter.

  195. Delta A

    I think you guys expect too much. Aim lower.

    My question was not about Vietnamese immigration, Tel. You are being as tricky as ‘Our Betters’ in citing a community which has integrated and contributed very well to our culture, society and economy.

    I asked a serious question. Don’t bother replying if you do not have a serious – and relevant – answer.

  196. Tintarella di Luna

    “Ms Hoffrichter said the ACCC’s warning did not concern her.

    Ms Hoffricther should say her only consideration is the Paris Agreement

  197. Helen

    BUgger, I had to overfly the last one, or most of it.

    But I picked up that Chelasea (praise the lord her mother did not abort her) thinks that killing babies saves money. It would follow then that immigration costs money, yes? One is less people, one is more people.

  198. C.L.

    Senator Anning:

    “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.”

    The Australian, channeling Joseph Goebbels:

    The former prime minister today added his voice to the chorus of disapproval over Senator Anning’s first speech, in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and a “final solution to the immigration problem”.

    See what they did there?

  199. Elle

    Oh I’m not a Conservative.
    I know lots of people who aren’t.
    And I don’t find Conservatives behavior over the past thirty years amusing.
    I find it pathetic.
    And I’m not alone.

    I have friends whose conservative and libertarian views overlap – like my views. Less government involvement appears to be the main connection though. Then there are differences in morals, IMO. But I’m a law enforcement officer. I live a conflicted life.

  200. Baldrick

    No, here’s the history of the phrase used by Fraser Anning, “The final solution to the immigration problem is a popular vote”.

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    Final solution: Here’s the Nazi history of the phrase used by Fraser Anning

    There was no voting on the Nazis Final Solution.

  201. C.L.

    Senator Anning:

    “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.”

    The Australian, channeling Joseph G0e66els:

    The former prime minister today added his voice to the chorus of disapproval over Senator Anning’s first speech, in which he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and a “final solution to the immigration problem”.

    See what they did there?

  202. Tintarella di Luna

    Handing out “How to Vote” cards is an experience I would describe as both illuminating, and depressing at the same time.

    #MeToo Zulu – I’ve done that many times over many years for the Liberal party, however that was then and this is now. I have not done a thing for the Liberal party since the knifing of first-term Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

  203. Frank

    Don’t not be fooled by cheap imitations!
    The Original IonCleanse® Footbath

    It is science!

  204. Tintarella di Luna

    See what they did there?

    Yes I did, scoundrels, Chop-Chop News is Fake News

  205. Baldrick

    How cute 👹

    Elle
    #2789864, posted on August 15, 2018 at 7:19 pm
    True. Cheers, Rae.

  206. JC

    Elle

    There are quite a few people here who posing as conservative but aren’t. Cohenite is a prime example. He posts comments in support of Hanson in attempt to influence people here. He pretends she’s pro-business and capitalist but her policies are basically old style labor and collectivist.

    More to the point, there are the deluded collectivists here who think they have a right to direct people in how they spend their money….against imported goods etc.

    It’s basically collectivism and state direction, so don’t fall for their bullshit.

  207. Roger

    25M people in a country the size of Australia is not a lot of people.

    Only 10% of the Australian land mass is habitable.

  208. Tintarella di Luna

    I am experimenting with a final solution of paint thinner and rust converter.

    Be careful not to spill any of that final solution

  209. Elle

    Baldrick, Rae pointed something out I overlooked. I was acknowledging that.

    Being polite on here is not popular.

  210. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/19/why-dont-vegans-eat-honey-google-questions

    I have been lectured that honey is symbolic of the exploitation of the worker by the oppressor, so is unacceptable to vegans.

    Now we can make honey with robots from plants without needing bees.

    https://www.veganhoneycompany.com/

    Dunno, everybody should be free to try things, but the political rights of bees aren’t something that important?.

    Unless everything is political?.

    Comrades?.

  211. JC

    Only 10% of the Australian land mass is habitable.

    Roger, ummm 10% of the Australian landmass is Italy, France and the UK put together. Argue against immigration on sociological grounds, not with this or most economic ones.

  212. Death Giraffe

    Seriously though.
    How stupid do you have to be to use that phrase in a speech on immigration?

  213. egg_

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    Final solution: Here’s the Nazi history of the phrase used by Fraser Anning

    The NAZI’s would have been proud of Aunty’s Green zealotry.

  214. Habib

    ABC pulling the plug on storefront and online sales. Of course will take nothing away from the fact that obviously no-one is buying their shit any more.

  215. Roger

    Roger, ummm 10% of the Australian landmass is Italy, France and the UK put together. Argue against immigration on sociological grounds, not with this or most economic ones.

    And we don’t have the nutrient rich soil or plentiful rainfall of Italy, France & the UK either.

    These factors must be taken into consideration when considering the carrying capacity of this continent.

  216. RobK

    DG,
    Putting rusty parts in a tub of 10% molasses and 90% water for a few days is a good non acidic rust remover. Plenty of examples on the net. It chelates the oxides completely away.

  217. Death Giraffe

    These factors must be taken into consideration when considering the carrying capacity of this continent.

    ..
    Errr.
    Given today’s events, you might like to research the history of the phrase “carrying capacity”.
    Might not be what you think.

  218. Stimpson J. Cat

    But I’m a law enforcement officer.

    You better not be a parking inspector Elle.
    I quite like you as a person.

  219. John Constantine

    Our future is as barefoot herds trudging through the mud and dust to provide bespoke services to our overlords.

    https://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/family/children-should-spend-more-time-barefoot-to-encourage-a-healthier-foot-structure-16388985

    “Social acceptability is a barrier to barefoot activities in many Western countries, as a result, adults who did not grow up mostly barefoot may not have the same foot structure and leg strength to transition to barefoot activities quickly.

    Gradually building time spent walking and running in bare feet is key for people who are new to barefoot activities. The increasing availability of shoes that mimic the structure of the foot (minimalist shoes) and have little cushioning other than to cover the foot, may help people transition to being barefoot. The improving design of these shoes may also help to tackle the issue of social acceptability.”

  220. Baldrick

    Being polite on here is not popular.

    To a Troll, no.

  221. Infidel Tiger

    FME.

    I just heard some nonce announcer on 6PR (a supposedly right wing station) say they refused to have the views of Dr Van Meter aired because he was abhorrent. They then had a debate about hate speech.

    This is a doctor that wants child mutilation stopped.

    We have gone so mad as society it is freaky.

  222. Death Giraffe

    Or you could just get yourself a job as a poitical adviser and insert the phrase liberally into his next speech.

  223. calli

    I would rather our cities don’t resemble downtown Naples.

    Density comparisons to Europe always conjure the Riviera or 1st Arrondissement.

  224. Roger

    Given today’s events, you might like to research the history of the phrase “carrying capacity”.
    Might not be what you think.

    US Secretary of State.

    Got a problem with that?

  225. Snoopy

    I find it amusing how Textor and the battereds don’t talk directly to me. Spineless.

    Hey JoJo Zip!

    Why don’t you get a wasp up yer?

  226. Infidel Tiger

    Seriously though.
    How stupid do you have to be to use that phrase in a speech on immigration?

    About as stupid as saying 18c was about legalising bigotry.

    There’s a pattern here. There are no accidents.

  227. Stimpson J. Cat

    Being polite on here is not popular.

    Not so!
    I’m polite AND popular.
    But that’s because I’m the Mental Illness Diversity Hire.

  228. John Constantine

    Siberia is huge.

    Stalin could only stock the Siberian gulags at gunpoint.

    Funny enough, Australian Stalinists are now proposing that australias Siberian style wastelands by populated by sending people out there with internal passports that do not allow internal freedom of movement within the country.

    Open borders will work, if we can force people to be stocked into wasteland gulags.

    Our removal of freedom of internal movement is our Strength.

    Internal passports are our Strength.

    Comrades.

  229. JC

    Roger

    If you argue 10% of Australia is liveable then by definition it’s carrying capacity would be that in terms of your definition.

    Australia is a pretty big place.

  230. Stimpson J. Cat

    How stupid do you have to be to use that phrase in a speech on immigration?

    I hate to say it,
    but the Kiwi is right.

  231. Death Giraffe

    US Secretary of State.

    Got a problem with that?

    ..
    Easy Roger.
    I’m pointing to the early twentieth century research by demographers that were used by both fascists and communists as excuses for policies depopulating Europe.
    Not having a go at you.

  232. Infidel Tiger

    Looking at those pictures of Genoa and I thought it resembled our future fatherly nicely.

    A crumbling shithole.

  233. JC

    Loosen up snoopy Textor. It’s all fun.

  234. Baldrick

    Seriously though.
    How stupid do you have to be to use that phrase in a speech on immigration?

    The easy option in to be outraged.
    The more measured response would be to read the term ‘final solution’ in context of what he was saying.

    Stupid, yes. Outrageously, outrageous, outrage, no.

  235. Tintarella di Luna

    There are no accidents.

    Indeed, and hasn’t that non-accident caused a stir as planned, Bob Katter was on Bolt, Hanson’s now on Bolt condemning Anning for copying her, so all the focus is now on Anning, Hanson and Katter and the final solution which was lapping at the feet of the dead in the water bent-eared termite. Gutter politics.

  236. Stimpson J. Cat

    Australia is a pretty big place.

    That is irrelevant if we only have so many Hospitals, Indian doctors, and EastWest links that get cancelled to connect the two.

  237. C.L.

    ABC pulling the plug on storefront and online sales. Of course will take nothing away from the fact that obviously no-one is buying their shit any more.

    You mean nobody is buying Phillip Adams coffee cups?

  238. Baldrick

    I’m polite AND popular.

    You get a free pass Stimpy ’cause you’re a funny bastard.

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