Monday Forum: August 27, 2018

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  1. notafan

    nobody even blinks at women clergy or homosexual priests anymore.

    We don’t have women clergy and never will, Pope John Paul spoke definitively on this and Pope Benedict banned homosexuals from the seminaries

    200o years, we’ve survivied much worse that a minority of progressives and a screeching finger pointing lot who never seem to find time to examine their own consciences.

    and incidentally one of the features of child abuse is it is done in secret with the child involved manipulated and silenced

    any suggestion that there was widespread knowledge is laughable, not even the parents knew

    besides which up until recently no one wanted to know, not clergy, not teachers, not parents, not police and not the courts

    because they all assumed it did no lasting harm

  2. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s not just you.

    Phew.
    Thought I was crazy for a minute there….
    Wait a minute, I am crazy…
    What the f$ck is going on here?

  3. notafan

    and of course it is not an exclusive Catholic problem, it is a human failing, but the only time anyone is ever interested is it involves men who took vows of celibacy.

  4. John Constantine

    We only have Good Senator Dave for a short while, be a pity to expose him to Arkancide for this.

    Imagine getting Downer to face a Senate committee and give sworn evidence before the American midterms.

  5. calli

    I think it’s because I don’t think I’ve ever met or seen a real successful Conservative in my lifetime.

    The Beloved and I are real and successful Conservatives. How do you do Stimpy! 🤝💋

    However I won’t be voting for the fauxservatives in the next election and The Beloved is wavering. Which should be a real worry for them but it isn’t.

  6. Nick

    Speaking after a number of comedy programmes fronted by women and ethnic minorities were unveiled, Allen pointed to the relatively unknown recent BBC 3 sketch show Famalam, the whole cast of which is black, to highlight the corporation’s “diverse” new content.

    I’ve been watching a bit of BBC in the wider UK, lately and have been surprised how often I’ve seen shows about Anglo-Indian women, their family histories etc. some diversity, snort.

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    All the Church talk above; very interesting stuff for a ‘cultural’ Christian like me to follow. The Cat has given me and other basic ‘agnostics’ a needed background in Christian thinking. It’s fascinating to be in touch with explanatory exemplars from the Protestant and Roman Catholic perspectives that I’ve not met anywhere else.

    Today we are in Bruges, having picked up a sensuous Jaguar XE (not a hybrid! Hairy cut to the quick by my laughter about our previous inadvertent hire car) and sped along the freeway from Brussels, leaving behind a heap of Eurocrats getting of the plane carrying their special ‘suit bags’. Our boutique hotel suite in the Old Town overlooks the tops of the wonderful medieval churches here, which we will explore today in cultural Christian spirit; we’ll also take a short boat trip around the ‘moat lake’ that surrounds much of the Old Town. There is a heap of medieval artwork (Michaelangelo sculpture of Madonna and Child, for starters) and the early and later Flemmish painters to explore (this is the land of the ‘Girl with the Pearl Earring’: wonder if she lost the other, sympathies there if so). There is also a diamond museum. O yes!

    Driving to friends in Liege tomorrow. Only one day, today, to do all of the above.
    I’d better get moving, get Hairy up for brekkie, and put on my walking shoes.

    the Paris bonfire of the economies

    A perfect metaphor for the RET. Thanks, to Merlin (in Welsh) above.

  8. Driftforge

    Their ABC gets a billion dollars a year to do the stories that speak truth to power, why not investigate this most corrupt of bastardry, this political interference and attempted overthrow of our American allies government by Downer?.

    No. They get a billion dollars a year to speak power to truth. Not something to get around the wrong way.

  9. John Constantine

    Getting frankenstabby Bishop to give evidence into how their Clinton crime cartel corrupted Australia into sending the idiot Downer out as a suicide bomber to blow up the American government would kill two birds with one Senate committee.

  10. Cassie of Sydney

    “incoherent rambler
    #2804058, posted on August 28, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    If you are not a “progressive” you are a “regressive”.

    I am a regressive. Proud and defiant regressive.

    Yes. I want to return to an 7c per kwh electricity bill and a gas bill that was small change.
    Yes. I want to return to a world where schools don’t teach small boys how to cut their dicks off.”

    I’ll second that!

  11. calli

    Don’t forget the chockies, Lizzie.

    And lots of them!

  12. Mark from Melbourne

    So why did the previous owners sell then? Did they get fair price?

    Ron Hall (the majority shareholder) was probably not looking too hard at the price… though I’m sure it was fair. He also happened to own the building in Swan Street, which recently he sold for something like $25m, or a $20m+ profit since he bought it in 2002.

    And these things are much easier to handle if there are no related party issues.

    Not for a moment saying there is anything wrong with the above – far from it. But selling to Crocmedia did certainly make life a lot less complex.

    FWIW, I agree with Tom. I was a rusted on listener, but not so much any more, especially to Whately. And I am a Cat fan!

  13. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m sorry Dover, but while the w$gs might let those weirdos get up to mischief in their lovely little Kingdom, I won’t.
    And I’m betting Matteo “Last Hope Of Italy” Salvini won’t either.

    What the Catholic Church needs to do now, if they are serious about saving the Church, is send in President Duterte and his boys to purge the joint.
    It’s literally the only sane option left on the table.

  14. Makka

    besides which up until recently no one wanted to know, not clergy, not teachers, not parents, not police and not the courts

    Well they know now so they can’t hide behind the “we know nuffink” excuse a second longer. If the church intends to survive this latest onslaught in any meaningful way they need to purge themselves of the homo infestation and their sympathizers with immediate action. Starting with Francis.

  15. Chris

    the only time anyone is ever interested is it involves men who took vows of celibacy.
    because they all assumed it did no lasting harm

    No. As soon as it was reported in many places eg a State school my mother taught at it was dealt with but not given to the newspapers to make a meal of. Also before the internet.
    The lasting harm was maybe not taken as seriously as now, but it was well known that the harm was real. Recent research has been very clarifying on it, and shown it in the context as developmental harms.
    Part of the reason is perhaps that it was felt best to encourage people not to feel themselves indelibly harmed by letting them get on with normal life rather than reinforce the victimisation with clinical and justice system long-term harms. Remember that’s what feminism taught about rape then – that the justice system for rape victims was worse than rape.

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Beloved and I are real and successful Conservatives. How do you do Stimpy!

    If you all really loved me you would invite me around for dinner to save me from my life of lonely madness and mediocre cooking.
    Sigh.
    Poor Stimp.
    Forever alone.
    😁

  17. Snoopy

    Can you get to Brisbane in an hour?

  18. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can you get to Brisbane in an hour?

    I keep trying to get JC to use his frequent flyer points to use me as a Qantas Secret Flyer so I can spy for him and the other shareholders to initiate a takeover of the Board but he’s ignoring me.

  19. My sister just turned the TV on and an ad for Lowes “Big Mens Sizes” came on as I read LLs :
    I’ll give Gillard this: she had the nicest boobs.

    Only the clubhouse leader until Pieman strolls up the 18th fairway.

    And a ‘sideboob singlet’ ad came on.
    How does one clean excess vomit lodged between keys?
    Without power tools, preferably.

  20. stackja

    There is only one Catholic Church. Roman Catholics are Catholics that live in Rome. So called Anglo-catholics are just Anglicans.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    Also does Brisbane have an Airport?

  22. jupes

    They are simply traitors and engaging in traitorous actions against our country.
    They are loyal to the UN first and foremost.

    Undeniable.

    How can it be in the national interest to sign a deal that allows the world’s largest CO2 emitter increase emissions by 50% by 2030, while we have to cut ours?

    In a sane world everyone involved would be rotting in jail.

  23. How does one clean excess vomit lodged between keys?

    Post that question on a porn site.
    They might have some handy tips.

  24. Death Giraffe

    You can come to my place stimpson.
    How are you with holding metal things while I hit them with a hammer?

  25. How are you with holding metal things while I hit them with a hammer?

    I’m good. When I nod my head, you hit it.
    ok?

  26. Chris

    How can it be in the national interest to sign a deal that allows the world’s largest CO2 emitter increase emissions by 50% by 2030, while we have to cut ours?

    In a sane world everyone involved would be rotting in jail.

    In a sane world the ‘scientists’ and media who created the mess would be held personally liable for the class harms to every consumer responsible for power bills, fuel bills or education of their children.

  27. Death Giraffe

    You want me to hit you in the head?
    How will that fix the car?

  28. Habib

    The ABC were also referring to Hun protesters as “far right”. What’s right wing about wanting meadaival sociopaths prevented from entry to a country, and those present deported? Sounds like self-preservation to me. The left would be suicidal if they were actually exposed to the results of their idiocy, fortunately for them they rarely if ever are. Even if they leave their leafy enclaves to slum it a bit, it’s highly unlikely the ragamuffins from Dandie would want to jack a Prius. Speaking of the ABC, the rouble May have dropped that they’re not as valued as they claim- latest promo has some inbred hillbilly extolling the merits of ABC wireless, and how vital it is to tha bush. Pity they want to legislate cockies out of existence, they’re probably a bigger enemy to them than they are to us. Also on the ABC they’re breathlessly reporting on some douche lawyer and his treacherous client being charged over potential leaking of state secrets. Why the fuck wasn’t that treasonous piece of shit Wilkie banged up for his treachery.

  29. Stimpson J. Cat

    How are you with holding metal things while I hit them with a hammer?

    Better than your wife is at cooking.
    I’ll bring a spirit level do we can check your welds are straight.
    I’ll also bring my holy head of baldness to make sure your other spirit levels are straight by ensuring your chakras are aligned.

    Namaste.

  30. Tel

    Stimpson if you end up in one of those car videos, remember to say, “Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk”.

  31. Death Giraffe

    I like my chakras the way they are.
    You kerp your greasy bald hands off ’em and just hold this door hinge against your kneecap.

  32. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson if you end up in one of those car videos, remember to say, “Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk”.

    OK that is uncalled for Tel.
    Let’s try and stay above nasty personal attacks.

  33. Boambee John

    notafan
    #2804074, posted on August 28, 2018 at 4:58 pm
    and of course it is not an exclusive Catholic problem, it is a human failing, but the only time anyone is ever interested is it involves men who took vows of celibacy.

    Indeed.

    How often has Their ABC reported on the OZ series on teachers having sex with pupils at a Sydney north shore state high school?

    Does anyone seriously believe this was only ocurring at one school?

  34. Death Giraffe

    Put these earplugs in first.
    It could get loud.

  35. Does sloMo’s church have solar panels or a wind turbine? Or both?
    Or is he invested in the the same scam as the Trumbles?

  36. Andreas

    I love how Dutton letting some au pair stay is being pushed as big front page news. The AAT’s atrocious decisions not so much.

  37. Leo G

    How feasible would it be to attach a truck with running gear to allow rails instead of roads to be used to pull up to, say, eight containers?

    Such a system could not operate with a viable service frequency.
    The kind of network I have in mind has been considered for some European cities (eg Frankfurt). In an Australian city it would be a dedicated trolley car or cable system operating at low speed with minimal headway between units. It would be single unit, so no train of freight cars. The construction cost per km would be a small fraction of the cast of conventional heavy or light rail systems.

  38. zyconoclast

    Catholic Deacon, Bi Daughter to Promote Inclusion at Church Event

    A Catholic deacon and his bisexual daughter will witness for LGBTQ inclusion in the church at the Vatican-sponsored World Meeting of Families, opening Tuesday in Dublin.
    Deacon Ray Dever of Tampa, Fla., and his 25-year-old bi daughter, Emily Dever, plan to be “a visible presence” at the church event, according to a press release from New Ways Ministry, which advocates for LGBTQ equality in Catholicism.

    “I hope and pray that the World Meeting of Families will be open to truly learning about and embracing all families, including families whose members include LGBTQ individuals,” Deacon Dever said in the press release. “Our Lord didn’t spend his time on earth only ministering to families who match a preconceived ideal pattern. By ministering emphatically to everyone, he taught the value and dignity of every person, created in the image and likeness of God. All faithful families deserve respect and a seat at the table if the church is going to be credible about its professed commitment to the importance of the family in the church and in society today.”
    Dever also has a transgender daughter, and he has written about his support and acceptance of her on the New Ways blog and in other publications.
    The Vatican has sent “mixed signals” about whether LGBTQ people and their families will be welcome at the event, according to New Ways. The meeting is held every three years and “brings together families from across the world to celebrate, pray and reflect upon the central importance of marriage and the family as the cornerstone of our lives, of society and of the Church,” its official website states. It will run through August 26.
    We Are Church Ireland, which advocates for LGBTQ and women’s equality in the church, was denied exhibition space at the event, with organizers saying it didn’t meet the criteria for exhibitors. The group considered protesting Pope Francis’s visit to the meeting later in the week but decided against it, Irish newspaper The Journal reports. “It was a sort of dilemma for us, but we said we’d accept the visit,” We Are Church Ireland spokesman Brendan Butler told the paper.
    Rev. James Martin, an LGBTQ-supportive American priest, will be among the speakers at the event, and his presence has raised the ire of some conservatives. Rory O’Hanlon of the far-right Catholic group Tradition, Family, Property called on organizers to cancel Martin’s appearance, but they refused to do so, reports Irish broadcaster RTE. Conservatives also objected to the appearance of Irish singer Daniel O’Donnell, a supporter of marriage equality, which Ireland enacted by popular vote in 2015.
    But Mary McAleese, the former president of Ireland, recently told RTE the event has “always been essentially a right-wing rally … and it was designed for that purpose, to rally people to get them motivated to fight against the tide of same-sex marriage, rights for gays, abortion rights, contraceptive rights.” McAleese, a strong LGBTQ rights supporter, was banned from speaking at the Vatican earlier this year.
    She also said it was ironic that the event would welcome Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the archbishop of Washington, D.C., and former bishop of Pittsburgh, who has been criticized for how he handled allegations of sexual abuse by clergy members during his time in Pennsylvania. A Pennsylvania grand jury last week issued a report citing accusations of the sexual abuse of more than 1,000 minors by 300 clergy members over several decades. The report contends Wuerl helped cover up the abuse. Wuerl has now said he will not attend the Dublin event, the Irish Times reports.

  39. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s so ugly no porn site would show it.

    The women had pleaded guilty to charges under Islamic laws forbidding lesbian sex. They were sentenced to a fine and six strokes of the cane, with the punishment to be carried out on Tuesday.

  40. John Constantine

    Could you have a Senate committee into foreign tampering with Australian politics, to use Australia as cannon fodder for Democrat campaigns:

    Without mentioning Australia was for some reason one of the Clinton’s most fanatical cash backers?.

    Could redfilth gillard explain that under oath?.

  41. zyconoclast

    A Robot Is Making $6 Burgers For Broke Millennials In San Francisco

    Creator, a culinary robotics company designed around a transparent 14-foot-long “culinary instrument” that cooks and assembles burgers to order in under 5 minutes, is set to open in San Francisco’s South of Market (SoMa) neighborhood in September.

  42. Nick

    On the BBC again, watching morning TV. EVERY guest has some sort of Left wing agenda. This morning, biofuels and Co2 and handwriting analysis, with lots of smirking about guess who? Trump’s signature of course.

  43. zyconoclast

    Baby Girls Killed by Abortion in Canada
    REALity August, 2018 Ottawa, ON
    Even the second generation of women of South Asian descent, living in Canada, have a preference for sons over daughters.
    In 2014, a study published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, conducted by researchers at Toronto’s St. Michael’s Hospital, found that women of South Asian descent have a cultural preference for sons even though these women were born and raised in Canada. The study found that gender selection through abortion is being carried out by second generation Canadian raised mothers who are prepared to abort their daughters in order to obtain a preferred son.
    The study compared more than 10,000 births to second generation mothers of South Asian ethnicity against 36,000 births to first generation mothers from South Asian countries of babies born between 1993 and 2014.
    Among the second generation mothers who had two previous daughters and at least one prior abortion, an astonishing 280 boys were born for every 100 girls. This was similar to the male – to – female ratio that occurred among first generation mothers of Asian descent.
    These findings are alarming, and indicate that quick action is necessary to tackle this cultural preference in South Asian families for sons. Intervention should include education in these communities that females have equal value to males and that a woman’s contribution to society is as important as that of males. This is a self-evident truth that is obvious to most Canadians, but apparently it hasn’t reached the South Asian community.
    Significantly, feminists have not raised the slightest murmur against this devastating killing of female babies by abortion. Feminists’ rigid ideology insists that abortion is a woman’s “choice” regardless of the circumstances – even the tragic killing of innocent girl babies. Where is their compassion and common sense? It is blocked by their narrow ideology, which prevents them from giving an inch of their belief that a woman is entitled to have an abortion without any interference for any reason.

  44. zyconoclast

    A Month of Multiculturalism in Britain: July 2018

    -Not a single Christian was among the 1,112 Syrian refugees resettled in Britain in the first three months of 2018. The Home Office agreed to resettle only Muslims and rejected the four Christians recommended by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

    -“Why, when so many in authority knew the scale and severity of this crime, did it take until 2014, with the publication of the Jay report, for a large-scale investigation to occur? How many lives could have been protected if swift action had been taken a decade before?” — Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham.

    -“I’ve got no respect for any law other than Allah’s, so I don’t care about the law to be honest… I care for the law of Islam. I don’t care for the law of any man.” — Imran Waheed, a 41-year-old psychiatrist working for the National Health Service in Birmingham, and also working as an expert witness to British courts.

  45. DrBeauGan

    A Catholic deacon and his bisexual daughter will witness for LGBTQ inclusion in the church at the Vatican-sponsored World Meeting of Families, opening Tuesday in Dublin.
    Deacon Ray Dever of Tampa, Fla., and his 25-year-old bi daughter, Emily Dever, plan to be “a visible presence” at the church event, according to a press release from New Ways Ministry, which advocates for LGBTQ equality in Catholicism.

    Ah. A broad church. There’s a lot of it about.

  46. pete m

    Truly we are at the end of days.

    Stimpson, an admitted crazy man, is telling us what the only sane option is.

    Stimps, head on to the Perth cats meet up I’m sure you’ll be well appreciated there.

  47. Deacon Ray Dever of Tampa, Fla., and his 25-year-old bi daughter, Emily Dever, plan to be “a visible presence” at the church event, according to a press release from New Ways Ministry, which advocates for LGBTQ equality in Catholicism.

    All these liberals ever want to do is to tear down the orthodox teaching of the Church and the Leftist media will always give them a hand.

  48. DrBeauGan

    So the perverts are redefining the word ‘family’. What a surprise.

  49. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If Argento was any kind of a decent wamen, Bourdain wouldn’t have killed himself
    Rose McGowan tells Asia Argento: ‘Be the person you wish Harvey could have been’

  50. Snoopy

    Stimps, head on to the Perth cats meet up I’m sure you’ll be well appreciated there.

    But for his baldness no one would suspect who he is.

  51. calli

    Dover, could you please tell me when Pell kicked out gay seminarians? Thanks in advance.

  52. .

    I’ve been reading over some old articles written in response to opposition to the proposed Needle’s Gap and Cranky Rock dams just recently. The people opposing these dams might have been well-intentioned but they have done massive damage.

    This country is bloody certifiable.

  53. Tel

    Cranky Rock is a bit like Punk but for older folks.

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Calli, last night having a little meander in the streets after a late dinner (rabbit with prunes for me, yum) we were amazed to see people reverently photographing the shop windows of the boutique chocolatiers. Some had notices announcing all chocolates made here on the premises. I agree that their choccies are delicious and some of the container ‘boxes’ are extremely attractive boxes with ‘old master’ or other decorative china lids. But I’d never get them home intact – the choccies that is. 😀

  55. thefrolickingmole

    Put these earplugs in first.
    It could get loud.

    But enough about Arkys sex life…..

  56. Nick

    I love how Dutton letting some au pair stay is being pushed as big front page news. The AAT’s atrocious decisions not so much.

    Mc Polo Pony gets off though.
    Just a question, surely Dutton would suspect they would work if he’d been contacted to let an au pair in ?

  57. Snoopy

    Rose McGowan tells Asia Argento: ‘Be the person you wish Harvey could have been’

    This is California.

    “I received a phone call and series of messages from the being I’ve been dating- Rain Dove.

    Being?

    Rain Dove?

    FMD. Kim Wrong-un could only improve the place.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    A lesson here for sports networks who employ overtly political on air “talent”.

  59. thefrolickingmole

    Leftism, rewriting “woke” history with themselves as the righteous ones.

    Staff call for hospital renaming over Lady Cilento’s racist and homophobic views
    Newman government named Brisbane hospital after Cilento, who argued ‘coloured nurses’ carried diseases and homosexuals were a ‘malignant tumour’

    The Gaystapo marching to liquidate another historical Kulak in the never ending quest to feel normal.

    The state’s health minister, Steven Miles, when he announced a public consultation period last month, said he had been asked to change the name by the hospital medical staff association and the children’s hospital foundation.

    “These groups support a name change, and so do I,” he said.

    “I’ve had doctors tell me parents are worried they can’t afford treatment at Lady Cilento Children’s hospital because they think it’s a private hospital. I don’t want even the slightest risk that parents think they can’t or shouldn’t have their child treated at this hospital if they need it.”

    Miles said his department would consult with the Cilento family and that “it may be appropriate” to subsequently rename a part of the hospital after Phyllis Cilento.

    So because some people are mouth breathing, window licking short bus riders who are apparently unable to use the internet or ask a question in anything other than single syllable words the name of the hospital should change??
    Pull the other one.

  60. Anne

    Stimps, head on to the Perth cats meet up I’m sure you’ll be well appreciated there.

    But for his baldness no one would suspect who he is.

    Yeah that and his snazzy white jacket with the sleeves that make you hug yourself.

  61. cohenite

    I’ve been reading over some old articles written in response to opposition to the proposed Needle’s Gap and Cranky Rock dams just recently. The people opposing these dams might have been well-intentioned but they have done massive damage.

    Then have a look at the big one of Tillegra.

  62. calli

    But I’d never get them home intact – the choccies that is.

    Lol. I relied on Divine Intervention, ie. if I opened a bespoke tin I would be struck by lightning.*

    Managed to get five tins home intact. 🎉

    * plus a little tin that I could raid when the Dreadful Desire was upon me

  63. calli

    A Catholic deacon and his bisexual daughter will witness agitate for LGBTQ inclusion

    Fixed.

  64. DrBeauGan

    I just paid over $5 for the Kindle edition of Scruton’s very brief introduction to Spinoza. It’s a long time since I read Spinoza and I’d forgotten what a fathead he was.

    I should have just checked on Wikipedia and saved my money.

    That’s what comes of watching Jeeves and Wooster on my phone.

  65. Snoopy

    Brisbane’s Prince Charles Hospital is reserved for royalty.

  66. cohenite

    That’s what comes of watching Jeeves and Wooster on my phone.

    You bastard, I just spent 10 minutes trying to find a philosophical connection between Spinoza and Jeeves and Wooster and the only thing I could come up with is that Jeeves and Wooster are Siamese twins.

  67. Snoopy

    The Lady Cilento Children’s Hospital was only built where it is because the site is in then Queensland premier Anna Bligh’s (and now Australian Banking Association CEO) electorate.

    But name!

    FMD

  68. Snoopy

    I’ve been reading over some old articles written in response to opposition to the proposed Needle’s Gap and Cranky Rock dams

    Have you tried Tinder?

  69. Snoopy

    I’ve been reading over some old articles written in response to opposition to the proposed Needle’s Gap and Cranky Rock dams

    Have you tried Tinder, Dot?

  70. Chris


    Catholic cold war turns hot

    Rod Dreher

    (After extended conversation with Italian journo who talked with Vigano before he dropped the nuke)

    Tl;dr: Super Ex says that Vigano did it because he’s sick and tired of the cover-ups and denials, which are killing the Church.

    The final battle is on. There is no telling how it’s going to end — or what’s going to be left when the shooting stops. Nevertheless, as a young priest texted me this morning, the Vigano letter was the first thing in a long time that has given him hope, because finally, the truth is out there.

    UPDATE: Aldo Maria Valli, an Italian Catholic journalist, writes about how Archbishop Vigano told him everything before publishing and disappearing. The link is in Italian, but if you have Google Chrome, it will translate it for you. These parts were eye-opening:

    Since our previous meeting, there has been the news of the results of the investigation by the grand jury of Pennsylvania, and Viganò confirms that the picture is correct. Sexual abuse is a more extensive phenomenon than one might imagine, and it is not correct to talk about pedophilia, because in the vast majority of cases it is a matter of homosexual clerics that hunt for adolescent males. More correct, says the monsignor, is to talk about ephebophilia instead. But the point is that the network of complicity, silence, cover and mutual favors is extended beyond all words, and involves all the leaders, both in America and in Rome.

    We remain, once again, stunned. Because of my work something we had sensed, but for Catholics like us, born and raised in the bosom of Mother Church, it is really difficult to swallow such a bite.

    My question is therefore as naive as possible: why?

    And the Monsignor’s answer freezes the blood: “Because those cracks mentioned by Paul VI, from which Satan’s smoke would have slipped into the house of God, have become chasms. The devil is working powerfully. And not to admit it, or turn your face to the other side, it would be our greatest sin “.

    More, after Valli has read the Vigano statement (prior to its publication). Valli said to him:

    “Monsignor, do you know what they will say? That he wants to take revenge. That he is eaten up by resentment for having been dismissed from the governorship and other events. That he is the raven who brought out the Vatileaks papers. They will say that he is unstable, as well as a conservative of the worst kind.”

    Vigano responded:

    “I know I know. But I do not care. The only thing that matters to me is to bring the truth to the surface, so that a purification can begin. At the point where we are there is no other way “.

  71. Cassie of Sydney

    Spinoza was a very naughty boy.

  72. DrBeauGan

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2804168, posted on August 28, 2018 at 7:01 pm
    Spinoza was a very naughty boy.

    Yes, he was. He believed in self evident truths. Tried to turn Ethics into Euclidean geometry. Very, very naughty.

  73. DrBeauGan

    You bastard, I just spent 10 minutes trying to find a philosophical connection between Spinoza and Jeeves and Wooster and the only thing I could come up with is that Jeeves and Wooster are Siamese twins.

    Sorry, Cohenite. But in the Wodehouse opus, Jeeves expresses a taste for Spinoza.

  74. .

    Then have a look at the big one of Tillegra.

    What really should make your blood boil is the Sugarloaf Pipeline.

    “Water for me, efficiency for thee…”

  75. Thanks Struth, exactly what I’m trying to imagine.
    It would get a lot of heavy loads off our highways which are frankly at overload point, and put them back onto tracks and bridges that were designed to carry heavy loads.

  76. DrBeauGan

    Sorry, Cohenite. But in the Wodehouse opus, Jeeves expresses a taste for Spinoza.

    In fact, Wooster buys Jeeves a Spinoza for his birthday.

    This should be a warning to you, Cohenite, to stay away from philosophy. It sogs the intellect.

  77. cohenite

    I’ve always had my doubts about the relationship between Wooster and that Jeeves.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    Ben Eltham
    @beneltham
    ·
    11h
    The Andrews’ government’s idea for a massive suburban rail loop for Melbourne is the single best urban infrastructure project I’ve ever seen

    That seals it.

  79. .

    The Andrews’ government’s idea for a massive suburban rail loop for Melbourne is the single best urban infrastructure project I’ve ever seen

    Let’s see if it can rack 250 mn AUD per km excluding rolling stock. Let’s go for Gold Gold Gold!

  80. Fleeced

    Baby Girls Killed by Abortion in Canada

    Interesting to see how the “pro-choice” crowd resolve this? If an unborn child is “just a clump of cells” then how can you complain about choosing on gender? They’ll either have to allow it, or… what? Only allow abortions for “the right reasons”? Start not telling people the gender?

    Are we going to start having an imbalance between genders? Or at least, an imbalance of biological genders since, of course, an ever-increasing number of boys will “choose” to be girls.

    What a strange future!

  81. JC

    Artie

    Get in Twitter and abuse the moron. He deserves it. He canned me.

  82. Baldrick

    The Andrews’ government’s idea for a massive suburban rail loop for Melbourne is the single best urban infrastructure project I’ve ever seen

    Unfunded with no blueprints.
    No wonder Leftards fuck up everything they touch.

  83. DrBeauGan

    cohenite
    #2804181, posted on August 28, 2018 at 7:22 pm
    I’ve always had my doubts about the relationship between Wooster and that Jeeves.

    Doubts that could only be confirmed by watching season 4, episode 4 of the series. Hugh Laurie and Steven Fry disguise themselves as females. Wodehouse must be turning in his grave.

  84. mh

    Entertaining read from Breitbart that nails the Left:

    The Establishment Media Still Owe John McCain a Big Apology

    While many found then-candidate Donald Trump’s “I like people who weren’t captured” shot at Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in July of 2015 indefensible, to those of us of a certain age, Trump was simply engaging in the age-old art of breaking balls….

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/08/27/establishment-media-john-mccain-apology-2008-smears/

  85. Top Ender

    Richo column:

    Our new Prime Minister has done a quite reasonable job of appeasement for the left-right-out Right faction of his party. Enough of the rebels have received jobs as cabinet junior and assistant ministers to quell their frustrations. Malcolm Turnbull called these rebels “insurgents”.

    One wonders what he and his mates were when they ambushed Tony Abbott. Righteousness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. The one mistake Scott Morrison made was to exclude Abbott. At least Abbott won’t have a burning desire to bring the new man down but there is not enough talent around the Cabinet table to leave a giant like Abbott languishing on the back bench. The role of “envoy” to indigenous Australians is so vague that I would not be surprised if the former PM knocked it back.

    Oz link – probably paywalled. If anyone wants it I will post the whole article.

  86. .

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-28/melbourne-suburban-train-loop-promised-by-labor/10172184

    New $50-billion train line would link Melbourne’s outer suburbs without coming into the city. The 90km loop would travel from Cheltenham to Werribee via Melbourne Airport

    Oh god I was only kidding about a quarter of a billion AUD per km of line excl. rollingstock.

    We’re looking at 556 mn AUD per kilometre.

    FMD. This is absolutely mental.

  87. Snoopy

    Emma Husar’s dog used to bring itself to work. So there.

  88. DrBeauGan

    Unfunded with no blueprints.
    No wonder Leftards fuck up everything they touch.

    Yes indeed. They don’t understand how things are made. For them, it’s done by showing piety.

  89. Baldrick

    Sounds like TheirABC …

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    Google search results for “Trump News” shows only the viewing/reporting of Fake New Media. In other words, they have it RIGGED, for me & others, so that almost all stories & news is BAD. Fake CNN is prominent. Republican/Conservative & Fair Media is shut out. Illegal? 96% of…
    ….results on “Trump News” are from National Left-Wing Media, very dangerous. Google & others are suppressing voices of Conservatives and hiding information and news that is good. They are controlling what we can & cannot see. This is a very serious situation-will be addressed
    7:34pm · 28 Aug 2018 ·

  90. Snoopy

    Did you hit on your staffer’s daughter? Leigh Sales must have forgotten to go there in her incisive (the glasses, LOL) interview.

  91. cohenite

    This is a very serious situation-will be addressed

    If T wins the mid terms he MUST do a number of things:

    1 Fire Sessions
    2 Get an AG who will fire Rosenstein, mueller etc and set up a special counsel to investigate how the FISA process occurred and how Hillary was pardoned
    3 Legislate that the internet is part of the Commons and covered by the 1st amendment with any censorship by face chook, gooogle etc, a crime.

  92. Steve trickler

    This bloke buries himself in the guts of China. He’s been doing it for a while.

    Remarkable stories.



  93. .

    3 Legislate that the internet is part of the Commons and covered by the 1st amendment with any censorship by face chook, gooogle etc, a crime.

    No way that should be law in any country.

  94. rickw

    Ms Bishop gave some parting thoughts on foreign policy, calling for significant spending on development in the Pacific.

    The government boosted the proportion of the aid budget spent in the region in the 2018 Budget, in a move seen as a counter to rising Chinese influence in the region.

    “We must ensure that the Pacific is safe and prosperous and devote a significant amount of our aid budget to the Pacific,” Ms Bishop told reporters at Parliament House.

    What a stupid scrawny cow. China hasn’t been raising it’s influence, it’s been cementing it.

    You are 10 years to late you idiot.

    To counter, you don’t need to throw money at the islands either. You just need to consistently point out that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.

    In fact, with a deft hand you could get the Chinese to make major investments into the Pacific Islands in return for zero influence.

  95. cohenite

    3 Legislate that the internet is part of the Commons and covered by the 1st amendment with any censorship by face chook, gooogle etc, a crime.

    No way that should be law in any country.

    As a libertarian you need to elaborate on why you think banning banning on a public platform for expression is wrong.

  96. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2804130, posted on August 28, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    A Catholic deacon and his bisexual daughter will witness for LGBTQ inclusion in the church at the Vatican-sponsored World Meeting of Families, opening Tuesday in Dublin.
    Deacon Ray Dever of Tampa, Fla., and his 25-year-old bi daughter, Emily Dever, plan to be “a visible presence” at the church event, according to a press release from New Ways Ministry, which advocates for LGBTQ equality in Catholicism.

    Ah. A broad church. There’s a lot of it about.

    Didn’t you hear notafan?
    It will never happen, the pope said so.

  97. rickw

    New $50-billion train line would link Melbourne’s outer suburbs without coming into the city. The 90km loop would travel from Cheltenham to Werribee via Melbourne Airport

    Oh god I was only kidding about a quarter of a billion AUD per km of line excl. rollingstock.

    We’re looking at 556 mn AUD per kilometre.

    FMD. This is absolutely mental.

    Their used to be a inner city loop, now it’s all bike path. These people are completely insane.

  98. Baldrick

    This bloke buries himself in the guts of China. He’s been doing it for a while.

    Is that video safe for work? It doesn’t sound like it is.

  99. OldOzzie

    Turnbull ‘a narcissistic maggot’

    Conservative Liberal powerbroker Eric Abetz has formally disciplined a staff member who attacked Malcolm Turnbull as a “narcissistic maggot” and Julie Bishop as “Turnbull in skirts”.

    In a Facebook post, Senator Abetz’s electorate officer, Michael Moore,

    describes the former prime minister, ousted on Friday, as a “Labor rat” whose Leftist policies had reduced donations to the party.

    “Menzies has been rolling in his grave at the direction Labor rat Turnbull has taken the party,” read the post by Mr Moore.

    “ … The Liberals are broke … and the reason for that is because the base who donate all the money have abandoned the party.

    Michael Moore’s Facebook post, which has since been taken down.

    “I know because I’ve been speaking to them from all over the country over the last few years, along with the million supporters that deserted us.”

    Mr Moore’s post says these supporters “almost to a one” indicated they would “never vote/donate for a party led by Turnbull” and that the party had “pissed off” its base, benefiting One Nation and other minor parties.

    “Now that the narsasistic (sic) maggot has gone we have a chance to get the base back — so long as (new PM Scott) Morrison is smart,” Mr Moore wrote.

    “As for people suggesting (former Foreign Minister Julie) Bishop (as leader) that’s just laughable. She’s not known as Turnbull in skirts for nothing … plus her ability to understand policy detail is nothing short of embarrassing.

    “We certainly haven’t forgotten how woeful she was as shadow treasurer. She’s done ok at foreign affairs but who couldn’t? Not that tough flying around the world handing out money.”

    Senator Abetz, a Tasmanian right winger who backed Peter Dutton’s tilt for the leadership, told The Australian he disagreed with the “characterisations” in Mr Moore’s post.

    “On learning of the private social media post, I asked that it be immediately removed and the staff member was provided an official warning,” Senator Abetz said.

    “This is the first mistake that this valued staff member has made in more than 5 years in my office and I am confident that it won’t happen again.”

  100. Fleeced

    If T wins the mid terms he MUST do a number of things:

    Scott Adams is spreading the theory that by not firing Sessions, DT is signalling a policy of MAD. Basically, if it looks like they can bring Trump down, he’ll have a few months in which to ensure Hillary goes to prison. It sounds far-fetched to me, and I don’t think Adams really believes it himself… I supect he’s putting the possibility out there – partly for his own amusement, and partly to “encourage” people to think before pulling Trump down.

    I don’t think they’ll get Trump on anything – but Mueller is almost certainly aiming for DT-Jr.

  101. Vic in Prossy

    Bolt interrupts his guests all
    the time. It’s unwatchable.

  102. Fleeced

    After Ellis got away with (allegedly) beating his girlfriend, it seems we’ve pulled away from the event horizon #MeToo. Only for Democrats, of course, but for a while there even Democrats couldn’t escape its gravitational pull. That seems out the window, now.

  103. Fleeced

    If Argento was any kind of a decent wamen, Bourdain wouldn’t have killed himself

    There were many of his friends who felt that way – and I half suspect one of them dropped her in it with the revelations about her.

  104. .

    As a libertarian you need to elaborate on why you think banning banning on a public platform for expression is wrong.

    Let’s say Kamala Harris runs in 2020 and in 2024.

    She wins in 2024 and the now progressive far left D’rats win both Houses of Congress.

    How do you think the law is going to be enforced? You might want to explain how declaring FB as public domain is not a violation of property rights too.

  105. James in Melbourne

    FWIW, I agree with Tom. I was a rusted on listener, but not so much any more, especially to Whately. And I am a Cat fan!

    Have never listened to Whateley, don’t know much about him, but I did assume he had been marinated in the whole grab-bag of ABC pet causes.
    What sort of stuff does he go on with at SEN?

  106. .

    Their used to be a inner city loop, now it’s all bike path. These people are completely insane.

    I’m not against bike paths per se but if you need mass transit…it is a matter of priorities that you change it back to freakin’ bike paths.

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    They don’t understand how things are made.

    Of course they do.
    They’re made when they are inducted into the Family.
    The ALP in Victoriastan want to be made things of the CFMMEU Family.
    About 50% of $50 billion should do it.
    With a bit of cream on top from the budget overruns.

  108. DrBeauGan

    They’re made when they are inducted into the Family.

    Does this involve their killing someone? Or is thieving public money acceptable?

  109. 132andBush

    Re that vox pop vid of Molyneux’s.

    Pavlov’s mutt has got nothing on those cretins.

  110. Mitch M.

    Steve Trickler,

    That bloke and his mate offer some good insights into China. A refreshing change from the typical messages because he has lived there for several years and is no idiot.

  111. Tel

    Mr Moore’s post says these supporters “almost to a one” indicated they would “never vote/donate for a party led by Turnbull” and that the party had “pissed off” its base, benefiting One Nation and other minor parties.

    In the bigger picture that makes everyone better off. Voting for minor parties is very much like drinking craft beer (having an ironic demi-beard also helps).

  112. .

    This is a long article, but if you think about it shows Reisman’s GDR idea quite well – as we become better off, then total production should rise more quickly than GDP rises. Also Bohm von Bawerk’s idea of roundaboutness.

    https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2018/mar/structural-change-in-the-australian-economy.html

  113. cohenite

    She wins in 2024 and the now progressive far left D’rats win both Houses of Congress.

    How do you think the law is going to be enforced? You might want to explain how declaring FB as public domain is not a violation of property rights too.

    The demorats are already censoring the net through their proxies. This will only get worse if they win. The net as a common domain with no restrictions does not bar users like space chook continuing as a service to its user/members. The point is if they invite to treat in the common domain via their facility the rights accruing in the common must accrue to their users. Legislate to make it so and if the demorats change that it will make their behaviour all the more evident with legislation then if there is no legislation.

  114. Snoopy

    Let’s say Kamala Harris runs in 2020 and in 2024.

    She wins in 2024 and the now progressive far left D’rats win both Houses of Congress.

    How do you think the law is going to be enforced?

    How about they bundle a social media free speech law with a pay for play / no welfare immigration law? It would never be overturned. Apparently.

  115. .

    The demorats are already censoring the net through their proxies.

    Letting them do it with the backing of government is worse.

  116. Steve trickler

    Baldrick
    #2804207, posted on August 28, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    You are safe.

  117. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yassmin Abdel Magied weighs in on last week’s Liberal leadership chaos

    By Elias Visontay
    10 minutes ago August 28, 2018
    No Comments

    Yassmin Abdel Magied has brought up a lack of diversity in federal politics as an explanation for last week’s Liberal leadership chaos in a television interview on Tuesday night.

    “If anyone ever says to me that women can’t do something or like people of colour are not able to do something, I would be like, ‘Is this the best you white men can do?’”

    Appearing on Ten’s The Project, Magied said the politicians involved in the events of last week were “taking the piss”, and described the fiasco as “honestly offensive” to Australians.

    “Don’t come at me with chat about merit or quotas because it’s a pretty low bar,” the 27-year-old said. “As an Australian, we deserve better”.

    “It’s like the Australian politicians are playing some sort of game in their own world and not really taking seriously the fact that they are running a country.”

    The 27-year-old sparked controversy on Anzac Day in 2017 with her tweet “LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)”.

    Magied is briefly back visiting Australia after moving to London last year.

    From the Oz. Strike me lucky, Cats, look whose back in town.

  118. Tel

    Interesting to see how the “pro-choice” crowd resolve this? If an unborn child is “just a clump of cells” then how can you complain about choosing on gender? They’ll either have to allow it, or… what? Only allow abortions for “the right reasons”? Start not telling people the gender?

    Speaking strictly for myself, I don’t really have a problem with people choosing the biological sex of their baby. Better to have the baby that the parents really wanted. If not done by abortion, there’s probably other means, and quite likely over time we will discover more ways to tinker with biology. If there’s one tide you will never hold back, it’s tech.

    Anyhow, choosing the gender of your baby is same as choosing their name… if they really don’t like it they can always change later on. *shrug*

  119. cohenite

    The demorats are already censoring the net through their proxies.

    Letting them do it with the backing of government is worse.

    The fucking legislation would ban them from doing it. The legislation would ban censorship of the type now practised. You are being disingenuous.

  120. .

    It is a hideous idea cohenite. Imagine if Obama came up with it.

  121. feelthebern

    David Flint is on the Alan Jones show.
    Peta Credlin has the most testosterone on the panel.

  122. JC

    Went through the Vatican’s museum yesterday and walked around the gardens . It’s mindblowing. The art is incomparable.

    They have martisses and also a contemporary collection which is amazing.

  123. 2dogs

    Legislate that the internet is part of the Commons and covered by the 1st amendment with any censorship by face chook, gooogle etc, a crime.

    Okay with the first part but not the second.

    We can get the first part with social media account portability. This would effectively mean that spacechook’s social graph becomes public domain; I don’t think people are really all that comfortable with it being in private hands.

    Once that happens, censorship by a specific platform will be nothing important, you can just move your content to a different one and without really losing audience.

  124. .

    We need people to realise social media is poison.

    Don’t make it be reformed, let it die like the reprobate that it is.

  125. johanna

    I’ve been commenting away, sans moderation, at Quadrant. Roger apparently doesn’t have issues about … [edited. Sinc].

    Here, however, I am like Mark Zuckerberg’s worst nightmare.

    Of course, in Libertarian circles, shadowbanning is the price of liberty.

  126. MsDolittle

    My apologies to any of the hundreds of motorist exiting the the M1 at Toorak Rd during peak hour this arvo. Yes, I am the dumb blonde standing beside the Audi TT with the boot open. No, I was not looking for my nail file, nor had I run out of petrol. Clutch shit itself. Falling between chairs: Linkt didn’t want me because I was on the ramp so Vic Roads pushed me off in their big emergency response truck with the bumper ‘n lights. Got to use a walkie talkie 10:4 … very exciting, no power steering, no engine or no brakes! Everyone got outa my way – it was ace!

  127. feelthebern

    Alan Jones & David Flint talking about what “regular people” want.
    Yep, those two are in touch.

  128. 2dogs

    We need people to realise social media is poison.

    Not universally so; I wouldn’t say that of Stack Overflow, for example.

  129. Geriatric Mayfly

    Magied is briefly back visiting Australia after moving to London last year.
    From the Oz. Strike me lucky, Cats, look whose back in town.

    Why one wonders. Never has a positive word to say about this antipodean outpost. Hates the place. Maybe suffering attention deprivation from certain fawning media and came back to get a fix. She should be in the Sudan fanning flies off the grim reaper’s next harvest.

  130. JC

    I thought it was you, Doolittle.

  131. H B Bear

    Shit Happens at his obsequious best with his “How can we help you Prime Minister?” moment at the Performing Stick Insect’s media conference today. Hopefully when Abbott does finally depart and asked what his greatest regret is he will say, “Not decking Shit Happens when I had the chance.” I could only agree with him.

  132. Snoopy

    Sundance

    Each of these five issues, now locked-in and agreed by the U.S. and Mexico are “take-it-or-leave-it” terms for Canada to join. There’s almost no-way, given the politicization of the Canadian plan, for Justin and Chrystia to agree to those terms and keep their fragmented political support base appeased.

    Therefore, absent total acquiescence, it is likely Canada will keep their soft-wood lumber subsidies, keep their protectionist Dairy tariffs, keep their banking rules blocking U.S. access, and face a 25% duty on U.S. auto imports – effectively destroying their auto manufacturing sector. Car companies (ex. Toyota) will simply leave Canada and return to building/assembling in the U.S.

    Trump wins. Again.

  133. Fleeced

    Why one wonders. Never has a positive word to say about this antipodean outpost.

    Oh, she complains about other joints as well.

    She complained about the US when they sent her back for having the wrong visa (they were just racist). She complained about the UK pulling her aside for vetting when she went through (they were being racist). And so on.

    She seems to like visiting racist countries, whilst avoiding the places they’re all apparently racist about.

  134. H B Bear

    Ben Eltham @beneltham
    The Andrews’ government’s idea for a massive suburban rail loop for Melbourne is the single best urban infrastructure project I’ve ever seen

    Our fuzzy haired poet/economist really should do more stand-up.

  135. Makka

    Yes, I am the dumb blonde standing beside the Audi TT with the boot open

    Kraut cars.

    Wait until you get the bill MsD.

  136. cohenite

    We can get the first part with social media account portability.

    Face chook, google, you tube are all search engines of the net; when you search using them they censor your search by prioritising the search finds, or block them all together. That should be banned.

  137. Makka

    Clutch shit itself.

    Hang on, a manual Audi? What were you thinking?

  138. DrBeauGan

    The weather in Perth is dreadful tonight. To give you an idea of the full horror, the wind keeps blowing my candles out.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    My apologies to any of the hundreds of motorist exiting the the M1 at Toorak Rd during peak hour this arvo. Yes, I am the dumb blonde standing beside the Audi TT with the boot open.

    Ladies, Gentlemen, Women, take note.
    This is class.

  140. JC

    Doc

    Why do you have candles? Don’t tell us you’re having a bath with scented oils and candles?

  141. Stimpson J. Cat

    Internet Bill of Rights Dot.
    It’s coming.
    Trump will make it happen.
    Just to f$ck with the media alone.

  142. H B Bear

    Ring roads I get but who would use an outer rail loop? Is this a neo-Marxist thing?

  143. Stimpson J. Cat

    Fleeced, Scott Adams is a f$cking cartoonist.
    Let’s not get carried away.

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m not against bike paths per se
    Neither am I.
    I’m against cyclists that don’t use them,
    the shaven Lycra clad fatroll freeloading degenerates that they are.

  145. Makka

    Comey: No charges to be filed against HRC. But Trump and Wussia!!!

    SOURCES: CHINA HACKED CLINTON’S PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER

    A Chinese-owned company operating in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Hillary Clinton’s private server throughout her term as secretary of state and obtained nearly all her emails, two sources briefed on the matter told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    The Chinese firm obtained Clinton’s emails in real time as she sent and received communications and documents through her personal server, according to the sources, who said the hacking was conducted as part of an intelligence operation.

    The Chinese wrote code that was embedded in the server, which was kept in Clinton’s residence in upstate New York. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails and forwarded them to the Chinese company, according to the sources.

    The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found that virtually all of Clinton’s emails were sent to a “foreign entity,” Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said at a July 12 House Committee on the Judiciary hearing. He did not reveal the entity’s identity, but said it was unrelated to Russia. (RELATED: Gohmert: Watchdog Found Clinton Emails Were Sent To ‘Foreign Entity’)

    Two officials with the ICIG, investigator Frank Rucker and attorney Janette McMillan, met repeatedly with FBI officials to warn them of the Chinese intrusion, according to a former intelligence officer with expertise in cybersecurity issues, who was briefed on the matter. He spoke anonymously, as he was not authorized to publicly address the Chinese’s role with Clinton’s server.

    Among those FBI officials was Peter Strzok, who was then the bureau’s top counterintelligence official. Strzok was fired this month following the discovery he sent anti-Trump texts to his mistress and co-worker, Lisa Page. Strzok didn’t act on the information the ICIG provided him, according to Gohmert.

  146. Mitch M.

    Legislate that the internet is part of the Commons and covered by the 1st amendment with any censorship by face chook, gooogle etc, a crime.

    Fuck that. Don’t hand over control of the most powerful information medium to government. Private entities of all sorts are always engaged in some form of censorship. If you don’t like it find another source. The monetization of the internet is the biggest cause of censorship, they are just protecting their commercial interests. I preferred it in old days with usenet and other forums that were just about sharing information rather than making a buck.

  147. feelthebern

    I’m struggling through the latest star wars movie.
    There is no doubt, the last jedi is the worst.
    Caravan of Courage, the ewok movie was better than this crapola.

  148. Habib

    A TEENAGE P-plater could be Sydney’s most reckless driver after being caught breaking a host of basic road rules in a single trip at the weekend.

    The 18-year-old was stopped by the highway patrol in Botany Bay at 1.40am on Sunday after being clocked doing 105km/h in an 80km/h zone.

    Police found five other 18-year-olds loaded into the car — including one hidden in the boot — and a breath test revealed the driver was under the influence of alcohol.

    He was charged with speeding, drink driving, carrying underage passengers late at night, and failing to display his P-plates.

    The teen was given fined $472 and lost four demerit points for speeding; $263 and lost two points for not displaying his plates; $561 and lost three points for carrying more than one passenger younger than 21 late at night; and $337 and three points lost for having a passenger in the boot.

    Just as well this no fun shit wasn’t around when I was a pup, that’s a description of every Saturday night in Rockhampton, except we’d be 16, unlicensed, in a “borrowed” car of someone’s parents, and the 100+ Koh would be through the cemetery on Dawson Rd. We were never caught (although were pulled for flashing browneyes out the missing rear window of a lime green Morris Messenger at a dickless tracy), and if we had been most likely would’ve copped a well deserved kick up the arse and be handed over to our parents for chastisement.

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    “Chris
    #2804167, posted on August 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    Catholic cold war turns hot
    Rod Dreher”

    I am not a Catholic, I am not a Christian. Whilst other religions (and other organisations) have had sexual scandals and pedophilia cover ups, I simply cannot understand why the Catholic Church continues to promote and enforce celibacy. To me, this creates a culture which encourages homosexuality and pedophilia to flourish and yes, I am going to be very unPC and write this, as far as I am concerned they are intricately related. Anyway, I am constantly bewildered by the fact that the RC Church still enforces clerical celibacy…as far as I am aware the eastern rite orthodox churches don’t enforce celibacy. Is this continuation of celibacy economic?

  150. cohenite

    Don’t hand over control of the most powerful information medium to government.

    How is stopping large corporations from censoring users government control?

  151. Habib

    kph. Autocorrect is a tagnut on beelzebub’s bot.

  152. .

    Well, who would be stopping these large new media corporations? The government. Hence government control.

  153. Gab

    Anyway, I am constantly bewildered by the fact that the RC Church still enforces clerical celibacy…as far as I am aware the eastern rite orthodox churches don’t enforce celibacy. Is this continuation of celibacy economic?

    As has been linked here time and again, numerous studies have shown the rate of abuse and the age and gender, is the same for the Anglican Church, and the Eastern Church as it is for the Catholic Church. They can marry and yet the rate of abuse is the same.

    As for marriage, have you never heard of incest?

    Also, at the going rate of divorce these days, what makes you thinks priests won’t end up being divorced?

  154. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m struggling through the latest star wars movie.
    There is no doubt, the last jedi is the worst.
    Caravan of Courage, the ewok movie was better than this crapola.

    It is so incredibly unbelievably horrifically bad.
    It completely destroys Star Wars on every level.

    True story about the truly astonishing power of serious mental illness :

    I watched it again when I was bugsh$t psychotic and I thought it was one of the most brilliant, insightful, beautiful, and perfect films I had ever seen.
    It literally made me cry with joy while watching it.

    I feel sick just remembering.

  155. .

    I simply cannot understand why the Catholic Church continues to promote and enforce celibacy. To me, this creates a culture which encourages homosexuality and…p

    Huh? Why doesn’t it encourage buying heaps of m-f, f-f and f-m-f internet porn and wanking?

  156. pete m

    Along the same line as CL earlier how Liberals have given up the fight:

    Hi Insty

    USA seems only country near us which gets it. Some euros too.

  157. Gab

    Oh yeah, one more thing, Cassie. I doubt the Church will allow gay priests to “marry”.

  158. Infidel Tiger

    I am not a Catholic, I am not a Christian. Whilst other religions (and other organisations) have had sexual scandals and pedophilia cover ups, I simply cannot understand why the Catholic Church continues to promote and enforce celibacy. To me, this creates a culture which encourages homosexuality and pedophilia to flourish and yes, I am going to be very unPC and write this, as far as I am concerned they are intricately related. Anyway, I am constantly bewildered by the fact that the RC Church still enforces clerical celibacy…as far as I am aware the eastern rite orthodox churches don’t enforce celibacy. Is this continuation of celibacy economic?

    Breaking your vow of celibacy with a bit of child r&pe seems extreme.

    More likely they were predatory homosexuals who used the church as cover. Same as they did to the scouts and any other place young men gathered.

  159. as far as I am aware the eastern rite orthodox churches don’t enforce celibacy.

    Eatern rite and Orthodox churches certainly enforce celibacy for bishops and the like. I’d also like to know what the intricate link between celibacy and homosexuality / pederasty is supposed to be.

  160. Mitch M.

    How is stopping large corporations from censoring users government control?

    Because the government will dictate what is to be censored. It will be near impossible to monitor who is being censored. FB users are continually complaining about this or that being censored, they have little control over what comes up on their feed. FB itself has trouble controlling the inputs so how do you expect a government agency to monitor it? That would require something that happens in China where thousand of workers are constantly scanning the internet to block material. It would be a public service department that dwarfs any other department.

  161. .

    LOL WUT M8?

    https://www.afr.com/markets/currencies/cba-cuts-australian-dollar-forecasts-for-2018-2019-20180503-h0zlig

    A moderation in global economic growth means less upside for the Australian dollar, Mr Grace says, while noting that CBA’s economics team has pushed out its forecast for the timing of a RBA rate rise from November this year to February 2019.

    He’s now expecting the Australian dollar to trade at US78¢ by the end of 2018, compared to a prior forecast of US83¢, and at US83¢ by the end of 2019, down from his US88¢ forecast made last November.

    …and Mr Creosote Snr III has some bad news:

    https://www.afr.com/news/economy/monetary-policy/bis-boss-agustn-carstens-launches-jackson-hole-perfect-storm-warning-20180826-h14jcl

    Agustin Carstens was seen stuffing all turkey and cold cuts into his pockets as he could fit, a lackey was seen stuffing his briefcase with German potato salad…

  162. Mitch M.

    I’d also like to know what the intricate link between celibacy and homosexuality / pederasty is supposed to be.

    Pederasty can be opportunistic and not necessarily an intrinsic condition. I don’t think there is a linkage but I think the high rate of exposure to vulnerable children increases the opportunity for offence. Pedophilia as an intrinsic condition accounts for the majority of offences but most investigations have focused on institution related offences. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is providing the general public with a skewed perspective. I haven’t looked into this so if anyone knows about the total incidence of offences vs those in institutions I would appreciate that information.

  163. Cassie of Sydney

    “Gab
    #2804273, posted on August 28, 2018 at 9:15 pm
    Oh yeah, one more thing, Cassie. I doubt the Church will allow gay priests to “marry”.

    I have a lost of respect for the RC church, the schools, the hospitals, the charities (apart from Vinnies) and so on. My question about celibacy is not meant to demean the good that the church does. I just can’t understand enforced celibacy, even if these pedophilia and homosexual scandals weren’t currently plaguing the church, I still wouldn’t understand enforced celibacy because in my mind it is a repression of one’s sexuality and that can’t be healthy. But anyway, it is sad because I would say that 90% of the clergy are decent people and this taints the good work that the church does.

  164. Mitch M.

    This is a neglected aspect of WW2 but if the British failed in Burma and Japan captured India the whole course of WW2 would have changed. The British beat the Japanese in bravery, strategy, and rat cunning.

  165. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2804275, posted on August 28, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    Eatern rite and Orthodox churches certainly enforce celibacy for bishops and the like.

    Yes but by the time you get to be a bishop, it’s mostly irrelevant.
    I said mostly!

  166. Cassie of Sydney

    “Infidel Tiger
    #2804274, posted on August 28, 2018 at 9:16 pm
    Breaking your vow of celibacy with a bit of child r&pe seems extreme.

    More likely they were predatory homosexuals who used the church as cover. Same as they did to the scouts and any other place young men gathered.”

    Yes, agree.

  167. Mitch M.

    I still wouldn’t understand enforced celibacy because in my mind it is a repression of one’s sexuality and that can’t be healthy.

    Didn’t St. Paul argue that celibacy was a gift and that it is better for a man to marry than burn? How does the Catholic Church know if the prospective priests can maintain their vow of celibacy? At the end of the day the Catholic Church may have to abandon celibacy because it is driving so many away from the priesthood.

  168. Mitch M.

    Yes but by the time you get to be a bishop, it’s mostly irrelevant.
    I said mostly!

    That is like the old Buddhist tradition for monks. It was typically middle aged men who chose to become monks. And back then a middle aged man was probably an old man by today’s standards so the libido would have been rather low.

  169. Gab

    I haven’t looked into this so if anyone knows about the total incidence of offences vs those in institutions I would appreciate that information.

    Just based on the recent report in Philadelphia, 81% of abuse cases were committed against boys aged 14-17.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    OMFG:

    I told you the robots were taking over.
    That is a T-SOY1000.

  171. Snoopy

    Makka
    #2804264, posted on August 28, 2018 at 9:07 pm
    Linky,

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/china-hacked-clinton-server/

    Remember those Paki IT guys working for Debbie Wasserman Schultz? The Pakis are close to to the Chicoms, right?

  172. .

    Great video from Cappy.

    Tobacco 21 Laws are Created by Nanny Nazis and Tyrants

    SJW’s like “truth.org” and Tobacco 21 advocates are bored, lazy tyrants who need to satisfy their egos by banning things when it’s not of their damn business.

  173. Gab

    As for celibacy, it’s not exactly something that is sprung on seminarians once they decide to work in the service of God. They know this beforehand.

  174. Makka

    Remember those Paki IT guys working for Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

    I think they got a walk.

  175. Gab

    And if they’re not interested in being celibate, there are plenty of other churches around with married clergy they could join. Although, as I said, the rates of child abuse match those of the Church.

  176. cohenite

    How is stopping large corporations from censoring users government control?

    Because the government will dictate what is to be censored.

    No it won’t. We’re talking US here. And let’s start with an easy one, Infowars. They were banned. That would break the law and the sites would have to reinstate them. How is that government control? You are confusing government protection of a right with government control.

  177. Armadillo

    The only way a rail network will ever work efficiently is if it’s in private hands. Governments hundreds of years ago could build and operate a rail network because it was in an era when the words “public servant” actually means what it said. Japan might be an exception, because they have a culture of respect.

    The reason the trucks are all over our roads is because our Government employees are a pack of lazy, greedy, self entitled pricks, and entrepreneurial Australians had no other choice but to find a cheaper solution.

  178. Makka

    Dems: Abolish ICE!

    Illegal Immigrant BEHEADS 13-Year-Old Special Needs Girl, Murders Grandmother, Officials Say

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/33077/mexican-drug-cartel-beheads-13-year-old-girl-ryan-saavedra

  179. Oh come on

    Dutton pulled strings for the leftist GayFL boss, helping him to help a 14th cousin 15 times removed to retain some frog au pair? That is an unforgivable lapse of judgement.

    Firstly, it’s clear that somebody was boning someone and wanted to cover it up.

    Secondly, never help out leftists. Dutton was always a chinless wonder.

  180. Armadillo

    Remember those Paki IT guys working for Debbie Wasserman Schultz? The Pakis are close to to the Chicoms, right?

    Their closest allies if you read any of the Paki newspapers. A hedge against the Indians and evil Americans.

  181. Mitch M.

    No it won’t. We’re talking US here. And let’s start with an easy one, Infowars. They were banned. That would break the law and the sites would have to reinstate them. How is that government control? You are confusing government protection of a right with government control.

    No-one has the right to demand another commercial entity publish their material. A commercial entity has property rights that it is entitled to protect. That an internet entity prevents publication of material from a source does not prevent that source seeking other avenues to publish their material, even if that means setting up their own website. If they don’t attract traffic tough shit, that’s the market so deal with it because the internet is littered with failed websites.

  182. Habib

    Sums up the ABC when they post a piece by swivel-eyed loon Bill McKibben as a serious item, not to take the piss out of the ratbag. They truly are not just our enemy, but the enemy of rationality, reason and intelligence.

  183. Oh come on

    You’ve been watching tonight’s 7.30 Report too, Habib?

  184. DrBeauGan

    JC, I smoke outside, to give passers bye the opportunity to sniff a good cigar. It’s my charity work.

    If I switch on an electric light, insects come, particularly mosquitoes, big ones. So instead I light candles, some with citronella scent. Some of the insects immolate themse in the flames, more charity though not for the insects.

    I haven’t had a bath for years. Just a morning shower, without tracklements other than soap.

  185. MsDolittle

    I thought it was you, Doolittle.

    Was that you rolling past in the no windows, dirty white, creeper van marked “Good Samaritan Painters”? The one with the spread eagle, nude, barbie doll, wired to the bumper? And no, I don’t ride the clutch, it’s 12 years old and shit happens. It will definitely cost more to fix than it’s worth but I love that little car. Mini is up for L’s soon so I won’t bother respraying.

  186. Frank

    without tracklements other than soap.

    noun British
    a savoury jelly, served with meat.

    WTF?

  187. Fleeced

    As for celibacy, it’s not exactly something that is sprung on seminarians once they decide to work in the service of God. They know this beforehand.

    Which is why most normal blokes know that such people either gay or full of shit. In the old days, gays were in the closet, and they probably figured this was a good way to remain so. If celibacy is a requirement, who the hell do you think it’s going to attract?

    But like I said earlier: I’m not Catholic, so it’s really none of my business.

  188. Armadillo

    JC is dreaming of the day we SYDCEN railway network (like the airport). I’m getting in early this time around.

  189. Gab

    If celibacy is a requirement, who the hell do you think it’s going to attract?

    There are many clergy who observe celibacy, now and in the past, and who have done great works in their service. Don’t belabel all for the abominations of the few.

  190. H B Bear

    Big difference between a railway and an airport. One never makes money and one is a licence to print money. Better find out which is which before you reach for your wallet.

  191. DrBeauGan

    I have found in Scruton’s book on Spinoza a very fine curse:

    cursed be he by day, and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lieth down, and cursed be he when he riseth up; cursed be he when he goeth out and cursed be he when he cometh in; the Lord will not pardon him; the wrath and fury of the Lord will be kindled against this man, and bring down upon him all the curses which are written in the Book of the Law; and the Lord will destroy his name from under the heavens; and, to his undoing, the Lord will cut him off from all the tribes of Israel, with all the curses of the firmament which are written in the Book of the Law; but ye that cleave unto the Lord God live all of you this day!

    I don’t expect it works, but I think we should give it a try on SloMo.

  192. Oh come on

    Railways still make buttloads of money, in that they make making buttloads of money possible (just ask any Pilbara iron ore miner).Which is what all successful modes of transport do to some lesser or greater extent, otherwise why bother leaving home.

  193. DrBeauGan

    Frank, tracklements comprise just about any condiments.

  194. Myrddin Seren

    Snoopy

    Remember those Paki IT guys working for Debbie Wasserman Schultz? The Pakis are close to to the Chicoms, right?

    Killary visited China as SecState in 2010.

    And doubtless was using one of her subsequently hammered-to-pieces unsecured devices with the domain @clintonemail.com.

    The ChiComs – and every other bad actor in creation – would have been looking to hack that server at the first whiff of a domain name like that.

    And then – by the sheerest coincidence – the ChiComs rolled up the CIA network in China straight afterwards.

    Between 2010 and 2012, the Chinese government was able to arrest or kill between 18 and 20 CIA assets within China.[27] A joint CIA/FBI counterintelligence operation, codenamed “Honey Bear”, was unable to definitely determine the source of the compromises, though theories include the existence of a mole, cyber-espionage, or poor tradecraft.[27] Mark Kelton, then the Deputy Director of the National Clandestine Service for Counterintelligence, was initially skeptical that a mole was to blame.[27]

    In January 2018, a former CIA officer named Jerry Chun Shing Lee[nb 1] was arrested at John F. Kennedy International Airport, on suspicion of helping dismantle the CIA’s network of informants in China.[30][31]]

    The latest iteration being the CIA used a piss-poor comms network which the Chinese penetrated.

    Nothing to do with Killary of course and completely compromising her homebrew server.

    Or Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the PacMan IT guy she introduced in to about 25% of the D-Rat congress critters. No no no no.

    And the less said about Diane Feinstein and the ChiCom agent who was her San Francisco aide and office manager since about the 1970s – no no no no no.

  195. If celibacy is a requirement, who the hell do you think it’s going to attract?

    Genuine men given what they have vowed to avoid.

  196. Habib

    Bloody moderation.

    Not on your nelly, I don’t think the 2 button functions on my remote. Someone earlier posted a link to an online story on this thread, penned by someone who thinks Justin Trudeau is a bone-dry conservative Ga’ia molester. Seriously, the bloke’s a fruitcake, he’s got currants for eyes.

  197. Fleeced

    I’m not convinced that many of them have been that successful, Gab – but more that doesn’t change the fact that the rule is bound to attract a certain type. Call it unintended consequences, if you like. Every policy has them – every rule creates incentives.

    Understand that I’m not saying celibacy caused these deeds – I’m saying that the requirement is likely to attract them.

  198. DrBeauGan

    Frank, tracklements comprise just about any condiments.

    And extend to chutneys and the famous wow wow sauce.

  199. Snoopy

    Myrddin, But Wussia, Wussia, Wussia!

  200. Frank

    Frank, tracklements comprise just about any condiments.

    Bathing in aspic, or conversely, using soap to flavour meat. Comprehension fail, but it is late.

  201. No-one has the right to demand another commercial entity publish their material.

    Quite.

  202. DrBeauGan

    Bathing in aspic, or conversely, using soap to flavour meat. Comprehension fail, but it is late.

    JC was implying I have some rather odd habits. I do, but not those.

  203. Fleeced

    No-one has the right to demand another commercial entity publish their material.

    Oddly, I think all of these companies involved support net neutrality.

  204. I’m not convinced that many of them have been that successful, Gab – but more that doesn’t change the fact that the rule is bound to attract a certain type. Call it unintended consequences, if you like. Every policy has them – every rule creates incentives.

    And yet as Gab has mentioned the problem is not lessened where the rule is absent.

  205. Snoopy

    The Russians are getting a bit sick of the Al Nusra Front / White Helmets carrying out gas attacks in Syria and ‘fooling’ the US into blaming Assad.

  206. Gab

    Remember, back in the early days of the Church, the clergy could get married, The consequences were disastrous, so later on, but before the Council of Trent, celibacy was imposed. Recall too, some “popes” were actually the son of “popes”. Very seedy times.

  207. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2804332, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    I’m not convinced that many of them have been that successful, Gab – but more that doesn’t change the fact that the rule is bound to attract a certain type. Call it unintended consequences, if you like. Every policy has them – every rule creates incentives.

    And yet as Gab has mentioned the problem is not lessened where the rule is absent.

    How come then, that we don’t hear institutionalized abuse about the other denominations, like we do about the Chath. church.

  208. Yes but by the time you get to be a bishop, it’s mostly irrelevant.
    I said mostly!

    You miss the point. The men appointed as bishop were never married when they were priests. The mere fact that these churches allow married priests doesn’t mean that every priest is or must marry. It simply means that they may marry. But where they are not married chastity is still required.

  209. .

    How come then, that we don’t hear institutionalized abuse about the other denominations, like we do about the Chath. church.

    If you note that evidence has been presented above, the reason is bigotry. I’d even assert (unless you are making the same point I am) that you hold some of that bigotry yourself unless proven otherwise, the fact that institutions generally have the same rate of abuse has been posted here MANY times before.

  210. P

    There are many clergy who observe celibacy, now and in the past, and who have done great works in their service.

    If someone were to compile the history of religious vocations, its pages would I believe reveal the secrets of God’s most intimate dealings with the human soul.

    Dwelling on those who have tarnished such belief does not discount in any way from the real.

  211. Gab

    I think Dover nailed the real issue way upthread. The base problem is the Church has been infiltrated by Leftism.

  212. Peter

    Hi Mark A, I suggest you check out Gerard Henderson’s Media Watchdog to find that the record of the Uniting Church is actually worse than thed Catholic’s. Didn’t you know that? And yet the ABC’s “Nice Mr Scott” is on thed board of a Uniting school. Do you rely on the ABC for your news?

  213. Lysander

    Gavin Morris, ABCTV Director, is a spine looking for a shiver.

    That’s all.

  214. Mark A

    Peter
    #2804343, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    Hi Mark A, I suggest you check out Gerard Henderson’s Media Watchdog to find that the record of the Uniting Church is actually worse than thed Catholic’s. Didn’t you know that? And yet the ABC’s “Nice Mr Scott” is on thed board of a Uniting school. Do you rely on the ABC for your news?

    No need to be sarky peter, I’m merely asking questions.
    As to the ABC I live overseas and couldn’t listen or watch the ABC proper (OZ program) even if I wanted to.

  215. Habib

    When’re they going to look at the ALP and it’s history of child abuse carried out by senior members, including a state leader and two cabinet ministers? The “Family” in Adelaide may have been an urban myth, these bastards are very real.

  216. DrBeauGan

    Gab
    #2804337, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:36 pm
    This is a interesting read from Fr Z’s blog.

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2018/08/italian-journalist-how-archbishop-vigano-gave-me-his-memo-heres-why-i-decided-to-publish-it/#comment-584354

    This is powerful stuff. Vigano is a good man who has followed his conscience by the look of things.

  217. cohenite

    No-one has the right to demand another commercial entity publish their material. A commercial entity has property rights that it is entitled to protect. That an internet entity prevents publication of material from a source does not prevent that source seeking other avenues to publish their material, even if that means setting up their own website. If they don’t attract traffic tough shit, that’s the market so deal with it because the internet is littered with failed websites.

    You tube and google are search engines. They don’t publish anything, they’re street signs on the web. Right now they’ve pulled down the street signs to conservative sites. I use space chook; I used to get feed from Lauren Southern, Steyn, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins etc. Now I don’t. That ain’t the market.

  218. How come then, that we don’t hear institutionalized abuse about the other denominations, like we do about the Chath. church.

    Oh, you haven’t heard of any abuse by Anglican clergy, for instance?

  219. .

    You don’t have to use Goolag.

  220. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2804357, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:51 pm

    How come then, that we don’t hear institutionalized abuse about the other denominations, like we do about the Chath. church.

    Not on the cat no.

  221. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2804357, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:51 pm

    Oh, you haven’t heard of any abuse by Anglican clergy, for instance?

    Not on the cat no.

  222. Makka

    Call it unintended consequences, if you like. Every policy has them – every rule creates incentives.

    The influx of homosexuals into the clergy along with the distorted views they bring is the root cause of the Church’s problems. It cannot be surprising to anyone given the virulent nature of the gay lobby that such terrible damage has occurred in the Church when homosexuals are so over represented in the clergy. To heal, the Church will have to find a way of getting them out.

    Wiki:

    A 2002 Los Angeles Times nationwide poll of 1,854 priests (responding) reported that 9 percent of priests identified themselves as homosexual, and 6 percent as “somewhere in between but more on the homosexual side”. Asked if a “homosexual subculture” (defined as a “definite group of persons that has its own friendships, social gatherings and vocabulary”) existed in their diocese or religious order, 17 percent of the priests said “definitely”, and 27 percent said “probably”; 53 percent of priests who were ordained in the last 20 years (1982-2002) affirmed such a subculture existed in the seminary when they attended.[13]

  223. DrBeauGan

    Oh, you haven’t heard of any abuse by Anglican clergy, for instance?

    Not on the cat no.

    I have.

  224. Mark A

    I’m not obsessed with religion or associated matters, if I read about them here I might respond.

  225. Not on the cat no.

    This has been talked about on the Cat over the last decade and on numerous occasions. However, I accept you may have missed it.

  226. Snoopy

    If only the Romans had zipper trucks.

    Somehow I can’t imagine a ChiCom inventing this. Or an Australian for that matter.

  227. Gab

    Since 1863 the Church has been slowly veering towards thew Left. Therein lies the real problem.

  228. Snoopy

    Since 1863 the world has been slowly veering towards the Left. Therein lies the real problem.

  229. Gab

    Actually earlier than 1963 as identified by Archbishop Sheen in the 1940s.

  230. C.L.

    Ben Eltham @beneltham
    The Andrews’ government’s idea for a massive suburban rail loop for Melbourne is the single best urban infrastructure project I’ve ever seen

    Laughed Out Loud.

  231. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2804365, posted on August 28, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    If only the Romans had zipper trucks.

    Now that is more to my liking, beats philosophy any day, for me that is.

  232. Makka

    Therein lies the real problem.

    In many situations, it’s much faster and far more efficient to change the person than to try to just change the culture. Just as Vigano has recommended. That’s the problem now facing the Church. The Church can deal with leftism. I doubt it can deal with this crisis effectively without dealing with it’s homo clergy.

  233. You tube and google are search engines. They don’t publish anything, they’re street signs on the web. Right now they’ve pulled down the street signs to conservative sites. I use space chook; I used to get feed from Lauren Southern, Steyn, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins etc. Now I don’t. That ain’t the market.

    IIRC those sites have been de-emphasising all professional news-type feeds lately in favour of family and friends. So the sites are doing something, just not what you think they are doing.

  234. None

    Just looking at the earlier posts on this page. Really I can guarantee you that a good portion of the population is celibate often not by choice but guess what. You don’t die from celibacy. But you will find your life empty if you’re addicted to p*rn (and way too many are)
    The carping on about celibacy is a bit like abortion. People don’t want the restriction “just in case”.

  235. Mitch M.

    You tube and google are search engines. They don’t publish anything, they’re street signs on the web. Right now they’ve pulled down the street signs to conservative sites. I use space chook; I used to get feed from Lauren Southern, Steyn, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins etc. Now I don’t. That ain’t the market.

    YouTube is not just a search engine. I rely on youtube for many sources of information. YouTube even goes so far as to remove monetization for some sites that are a principle source of income for those involved in the production(damn them to hell!). It isn’t just conservative sites being taken out. It happens across the board. I’ve seen people on FB complaining about mysterious removal of their posts. That’s automation. YouTube is very much about marketing, it is replete with advertising and money making ventures. Google makes a fortune off advertising.

    In a universe far, far away there was the usenet. The usenet had some excellent forums that were destroyed because the experts on those forums left due to all the cranks flooding the site with their crap. One example was an evolution forum. The creationists flooded the site and that was the end of it. Google is YouTube and has a responsibility to shareholders. The problem with the legislation you are proposing is that it creates two hornet nests: bureaucracy and litigation. At which point do we decide to deny property rights to one group by forcing it to allow publication of material by group X? Or what if some ranting blogger decides FB must not ban their material even though it is repugnant and outright lies? Shall Sincs be prevented from banning people from this site? Who draws those lines? Bureaucrats, the law, politicians?

    Why are conservatives now thinking like Leftists and demanding the dismantling of property rights because their favourite voices cannot be sourced through the most popular internet mediums?

  236. Snoopy

    1:100 scale model of Melbourne’s proposed massive rail loop.

  237. None

    Habib
    #2804354, posted on August 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm

    When’re they going to look at the ALP and it’s history of child abuse carried out by senior members, including a state leader and two cabinet ministers? The “Family” in Adelaide may have been an urban myth, these bastards are very real.

    Labor is the only politicial party with convicted child sex offenders, even former leaders. The “Family” in Adelaide is not an urban myth.

  238. Gab

    “You can’t ask that – priests”. It’s a TV show that asks some hard or difficult questions on different subjects – this week it’s about priests. A friend’s parish priest is on this episode and she’s no lefty by any means.

    – Wednesday 29 August on ABC at 9 PM.

  239. P

    The Salvation Army Boys Home at Bexley North was among the worst abuses I’ve read. Mainly because I grew up at Bexley North. I still today cannot get over what’s been written in this regard without the knowledge of any of us who passed by the home often, and the many friends including relatives I know who went to school with the boys from this Home.
    It sickens me to realise how close I was to what was going on.

  240. mh

    Blair Cottrell twitter account no longer exists.

    I wonder what happened?

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