Wednesday Forum: October 17, 2018

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  1. Mark from Melbourne

    Bows, accepting audience applause graciously.

  2. Mark from Melbourne

    Exits, stage left.

  3. Mark from Melbourne

    Takes encore.

  4. Top Ender

    I claim this thread on behalf of all American Indians, as I am 1/124,000th of one.

  5. Top Ender

    Elizabeth Warren’s DNA shows she is as Native American as most whites

    “Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Heritage” is the title of a new campaign video promoting the senior senator from Massachusetts. Ms. Warren, a former Harvard law professor, is claiming vindication after presenting the results of a genetic test which appears to show she likely has more of a claim to Native American heritage — but perhaps less of a claim — than the average white person in the United States.

    The likely 2020 Democratic presidential candidate has been trying to find some way to respond to questions about her longtime claim of Native American heritage given that her family doesn’t belong to a tribe.

    “Warren provided a sample of her DNA to a private lab in Georgia in August, according to one of the senator’s aides,” says a report today by Annie Linskey in the Boston Globe. But the senator sought a judgment on the results from Carlos Bustamante, a professor of biomedical data science at Stanford. Writes Ms Linskey: “Warren didn’t use a commercial service, but Bustamante is on the scientific advisory board for Ancestry, which provides commercial DNA tests. He’s also consulted on a project for 23andMe, another major DNA testing company”.

    Warren said she was committed to releasing the report regardless of the results. However, Warren’s aides would not say whether she or any of her three siblings had previously done a commercial DNA test that would have provided them with some assurance about Bustamante’s analysis.

    This column doesn’t find it odd that the senator didn’t want to rely on analysis performed by a commercial firm given her hostility to commerce generally. In any case here’s Professor Bustamante’s conclusion after studying the Warren test results: “While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago”.

    This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 per cent European, .19 per cent African, and .18 Native American”.

    These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the researchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as five million have genomes that are at least 1 per cent Native American in origin.

    At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one per cent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the US. Could this create a problem for the senator both among those who have never claimed minority status and those who believe they clearly deserve it? Ms Warren’s Senate re-election campaign is now rolling out testimonials from academic colleagues who say she never benefited from her identification as a Native American. The Boston Globe’s Ms Linskey has previously reported on Ms Warren’s various racial claims:

    • In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled “Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.” In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as “Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee.”

    • Ms Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She’s never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying.

    • She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked.

    • And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticised for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Ms Warren was Native American.

    Given the Bustamante analysis, Ms Warren might have chosen to acknowledge that her claims of minority status were a stretch. But she’s instead decided to present it as vindication, even demanding on Twitter that the President donate $1 million to something called the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center.

    At a speech in July, Mr Trump discussed the possibility of debating Senator Warren in the 2020 campaign. Mr Trump said that “in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage“ he would toss a DNA testing kit her way and say: “I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favourite charity if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”

    One could argue that the President didn’t actually make the offer but instead described a hypothetical scenario. Yet by demanding a Trump payment Senator Warren clearly seems to be asserting that she is “an Indian.”

    Before facing President Trump in a 2020 debate, Sen. Warren will first need to win over the Democrats who vote in presidential primaries. If these voters accept her as a Native American then logically it suggests that most if not all Americans can also claim to be members of groups that have historically suffered discrimination. We’re all minorities now?

    It would be wonderful if politicians decided to stop separating Americans by race but doubts Ms Warren can sell this to Democratic party activists.

    The Wall St Journal

    I’m an American Indian and so is my wife.

    Also Latvian.

    And an Apache if it means I can get a share of their casino money.

    Oz with comments open.

  6. Siltstone

    to lurk or not to lurk, that is the question….

  7. Peter Campion

    Yep, this smells better.

    Is it too soon to say “cluster of cells”?

  8. Knuckle Dragger

    Thank Christ for that.

  9. zyconoclast

    NSFW

    Why Beauty Matters by Roger Scruton

  10. John Constantine

    Lamb processor announces forward contracts for early 2019 lamb delivery.

    Lot further out than normal and premium to current pricing.

    Tells us that supply and demand will be making lamb expensive for Australia Day.

  11. Mother Lode

    Saw a comment on a thread about Warren, to the effect that she had a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast and is now more cereal than Cherokee.

  12. zyconoclast

    Sessions vows ’emergency’ Supreme Court battles amid ‘outrageous’ discovery rulings by federal judges

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Monday lit into federal judges for what he called a dramatic uptick in “outrageous” decisions threatening to interfere with the separation of powers by exposing internal White House deliberations.

    In a fiery speech to the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington, Sessions warned that “once we go down this road in American government, there is no turning back.” He vowed to take “these discovery fights to the Supreme Court in emergency postures. … We intend to fight this, and we intend to win.”

    Sessions specifically singled out New York district court judge Jesse M. Furman, who ruled that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross could be questioned in an ongoing lawsuit concerning the legality of the Trump administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

  13. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2841775, posted on October 17, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    You just said “women” let this guy win. “Women” is inclusive of all women. And on that basis, like all inclusivists, you were wrong.

    Why are you so f$cking stupid?
    Of course women let him win.
    Women didn’t have to let him compete, but they did.
    Unless you are suggesting the Women’s Cycling is run by Men, ridiculous.
    What exactly does UCI Women’s Commission female Australian president Tracey Gaudy do then?
    How does this change the fact that you wanted a Male Women’s Cycling Champion, rather than a Female one?

  14. zyconoclast

    Alec Baldwin: “We Need To Overthrow The Government Of The United States Under Donald Trump”

    18 U.S. Code § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

    Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

    Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

  15. struth

    From Previous thread

    I am on record both on this blog (and elsewhere) for saying many many times that women should be banned from all political offices – local, state and federal. I have challenged people time and time again to name me one competent and effective female politician. I have never received an answer.

    Margaret Thatcher.
    However you fail to see that the reason we need to have a good look at what this experiment has generally led to, is because of the same characteristics you are personally exhibiting on this blog.

    That is one where, no matter how intelligent the woman is, and you are intelligent None, your emotions and female hysteria fail you when crunch time comes.
    Margaret Thatcher rose to greatness because she did not succumb to it.

    Notafan can’t stand me, yet I believe she has control of this emotional garbage, from what I have seen.
    She has good men around her.
    And Calli and many right wing women (who obviously have good men around them) can control it.
    Sharri Markson cannot, and neither can Credlin.
    She is trying too hard and would crumble confronted with a real right winger, and somebody who wouldn’t back off.
    Silly girl.
    I observe these things, as men do.
    Just call it men’s intuition.

  16. thefrolickingmole

    Oh dear, death by google again.

    Rae
    #2841760, posted on October 17, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    Yeah? No. My bolding:
    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe found “clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools“.

    Getting to the “i dont recall” and “my ancestor did not have sex with that woman”…
    http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/05/31/elizabeth_warren_acknowledges_telling_harvard_penn_of_native_american_status/

    Warren’s statement is her first acknowledgment that she identified herself as Native American to the Ivy League schools. While she has said she identified herself as a minority in a legal directory, she has carefully avoided any suggestion during the last month that she took further actions to promote her purported heritage.

    When the issue first surfaced last month, Warren said she only learned Harvard was claiming her as a minority when she read it in the Boston Herald.

    Warren’s new statement came after the Globe asked her campaign about documents it obtained Wednesday from Harvard’s library showing that the university’s law school began reporting a Native American female professor in federal statistics for the 1992-93 school year, the first year Warren worked at Harvard, as a visiting professor.

  17. notafan

    Margaret Thatcher.
    However you fail to see that the reason we need to have a good look at what this experiment has generally led to, is because of the same characteristics you are personally exhibiting on this blog.

    Confusing, I didn’t say I couldn’t stand you, just that I don’t rate your opinions.

    As for men around me-lol.

  18. calli

    Warren falsely claimed Native American descent to get a prestigious job?

    How horrid!

    Is there a pattern here I wonder? I seem to recall another notable doing something similar….

  19. C.L.

    Annastacia Palaszczuk chose today for this:

    Bravery award for hail storm mother.

    Queensland mother Fiona Simpson has been formally recommended for a bravery award for shielding her baby during a freak hailstorm in the state’s southeast.

    The 23-year-old was left with horrific bruising and cuts after hail blew out her car windshield last week near Kingaroy, however she managed to protect her baby girl from the brunt of the storm.

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Wednesday told parliament she had written to the Australian Bravery Decorations Council to formerly recognise Fiona’s courage.

    “The cuts and bruises Fiona suffered show how bad it was. (Baby) Clara had barely a scratch,” the premier said.

  20. Stimpson J. Cat

    As for men around me-lol.

    You know, like that Man you pray to all the time.
    Men like him.

    Great Men Mighty of Heart.

    😁

  21. None

    That is one where, no matter how intelligent the woman is, and you are intelligent None, your emotions and female hysteria fail you when crunch time comes.
    Margaret Thatcher rose to greatness because she did not succumb to it.

    I’m laughing so hard that it’s very difficult to make this software work. So are you saying your wife is a hysterical cow because no one knows who she is?

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    Never forget, while Women were getting their nails done for themselves, Jesus was getting nailed to a cross for Women.

    Pretty much says it all really.

  23. struth

    As for men around me-lol.

    I see this may be a way of letting us know those private issues that are taking so much of a toll on you right now, are to be found.
    You used to brag about your good men.
    Sorry to hear.

  24. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m laughing so hard that it’s very difficult to make this software work.

    It’s actually because you are a Woman.
    Don’t be scared to ask a Man for help.

  25. notafan

    your emotions and female hysteria fail you when crunch time comes.

    You need to stop making sweeping generalizations, for a start

    And why do you continually denigrate the Christian faith struth?

    Shame on you

    you once spent a page and a half here declaiming that you were a Catholic too

    shallow inconsistent hysterical

  26. Too bloody good to leave on the old fred:
    Dover Beach:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCrJleggrI

    There is little tolerance for those who won’t commit, and part-time, shared or flexible work doesn’t exist. The problem is made worse by the push to complete projects on time and within budget, with no recognition by clients, including government, of the effects of these demands on the workforce or gender equality.

    that is so incredibly laughable

    Beyond parody. Really.

    It’s a continuation of this gem, the utter confusion between cause and effect, goals and methods.

  27. Twostix

    That mother had better refuse that award. How debased and patronising from a dried up barren shrew.

  28. None

    Sharri Markson cannot, and neither can Credlin.
    She is trying too hard and would crumble confronted with a real right winger, and somebody who wouldn’t back off.
    Silly girl.
    I observe these things, as men do.
    Just call it men’s intuition.

    Uh huh. The Male Gaze.

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    I lost a lot of respect for Credlin when she jumped to defend that slag….aka….SHY.

  30. notafan

    You used to brag about your good men.
    Sorry to hear.

    I never ‘bragged’ about my good men

    My father has been dead coming up thirty years

    as for my nightmare I can assure you I am the rock on which another is leaning

    you have no idea, nor do I intent to tell you because it is not my story to tell-you scabrous pustule

  31. Makka

    Well now, this thread is off to a good start. Ambos are standing by…

  32. Chris

    Uh huh. The Male Gaze.

    Je suis Flaneur

  33. Delta A

    Ambos are standing by…

    It’s just a flesh wound. 🙂

  34. struth

    Confusing, I didn’t say I couldn’t stand you, just that I don’t rate your opinions.

    This makes me smile, None.

    Although I don’t believe it for a second.

    You’ve lost the plot, none.

    You can’t win so we’re all wife beaters and kiddie fiddlers, or some such.

    I would like to offer an Olive Branch of peace, as I can see, and many here can too, that you have worthy things to say.
    So from now on, stop abusing us poor down trodden males, we love all our women underneath, and wish you physical and mental health.
    The fact is that men love all their women and children in their tribes more than you can possibly know.
    Any of us who even saw Clemmy being ra ped would step in to stop it, although we’d probably be asking the perp afterwards, how drunk can you possibly be?

  35. Chris

    Uh huh. The Male Gaze.

    alternatively, ‘I resemble that remark!’

  36. Rae

    Ah. therollickinghole. God’s gift to the facial repair industry. I’ll spare you any more pain than you insist on self-inflicting.

    Here’s part of my earlier comment that you copied (my bolding):

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe found “clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools“.

    And here’s the date of the Boston Globe article you tried to use as a gotcha against me (my bolding again):

    May 31, 2012

    You, Hole, are easily the world champeen face-planter. I can say with every confidence that there has never, ever, been another face-planter of your calibre in the history of mankind.

    Go and change your nappy, hun. And next time try to resist the urge to dance around wetting yourself in anticipation. Nothing good for you can ever come of it.

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well now, this thread is off to a good start. Ambos are standing by…

    Women behave please.

    I’ll be back later to make sure you are not debasing the site with your shenanigans.

    Wait patiently for my return.

  38. struth

    Confusing, I didn’t say I couldn’t stand you, just that I don’t rate your opinions.

    This makes me smile, None.

    Although I don’t believe it for a second.

    You’ve lost the plot, none.

    You can’t win so we’re all wife beat ers and kiddie fid dlers, or some such.

    I would like to offer an Olive Branch of peace, as I can see, and many here can too, that you have worthy things to say.
    So from now on, stop abusing us poor down trodden males, we love all our women underneath, and wish you physical and mental health.
    The fact is that men love all their women and children in their tribes more than you can possibly know.
    Any of us who even saw Clemmy being ra pe d would step in to stop it, although we’d probably be asking the perp afterwards, how drunk can you possibly be?

  39. Never forget, while Women were getting their nails done for themselves, Jesus was getting nailed to a cross for Women.

    Don’t be an idiot, Stimp. One of the disciples betrayed Him, another denied Him, and all the rest bar one scattered after His arrest. The one who stayed by His side had Christ’s mother for company, along with Mary Magdalene.

  40. Zyconoclast

    If she wins Wentworth I don’t think Dr Kerryn will stay long in politics. She’d miss the mammograms and pap smears too much.

    Self administered?

  41. The 23-year-old was left with horrific bruising and cuts after hail blew out her car windshield last week near Kingaroy, however she managed to protect her baby girl from the brunt of the storm.

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Wednesday told parliament she had written to the Australian Bravery Decorations Council to formerly recognise Fiona’s courage.

    It’s amazing they cannot see the contradiction. Their will has enslaved their intellect.

  42. struth

    you once spent a page and a half here declaiming that you were a Catholic too

    I said I was a confirmed catholic.
    Which I am.
    Do I go to church , no.

    Do I consider myself Christian?
    More Christian than anything else.
    What’s so hard for you here, Notafan?

  43. None

    This makes me smile, None.

    Although I don’t believe it for a second.

    You’ve lost the plot, none.

    That was notafan talking, not me, you demented banana. Go make your wife a cup of tea and then have a Bex and a lie down.

  44. C.L.

    So much for stoic old England:

    Prince Harry urged drought-stricken farmers to seek help battling their mental struggles, just like he did when tackling his own demons.

    The Duke of Sussex, supported by his wife Meghan who held an umbrella to shield him from torrential rain, told a huge crowd of fans in Dubbo, a rural town in New South Wales, that they ‘must not silently suffer‘.

  45. None

    And yes struth all is forgiven.

  46. Chris

    If she wins Wentworth I don’t think Dr Kerryn will stay long in politics. She’d miss the mammograms and pap smears too much.

    Self administered?

    Keep it classy, friends.

  47. Twostix

    In the palachook bugwomans mind protecting your own baby from being smashed to death is a conscious act, as though the mother even had a choice let along made it. For the no-souled bugman elite all is transactional – there is no instinct. palazwhatever has necessarily killed her instinct so she may thrive in her dead world.

    We award bravery awards for times when people have a choice, when they choose to put themselves in danger against their instinct .

    Saving your own baby is not that. Instinct commands it, there is no choice, there is no heroism involved. The alternative act – to do nothing is monstrous (and would probably involve charges and prison in this case).

  48. I am bespoke

    Delta A
    #2841850, posted on October 17, 2018 at 2:19 pm
    Ambos are standing by…
    It’s just a flesh wound. 🙂

    It will escalate quickly it always does.

    I see you’ve got the mad cat lady biting at your heals because you didn’t join the her gaggle.

    See 😉

  49. Roger

    ME Envoys in Canberra warn that moving our embassy to Jerusalem threatens economic and cultural ties.

    Immigration too, please?

  50. Dover Beach:

    It’s amazing they cannot see the contradiction. Their will has enslaved their intellect.

    This man stands and applauds the girls bravery and self sacrifice.

  51. struth

    That was notafan talking, not me, you demented banana. Go make your wife a cup of tea and then have a Bex and a lie down.

    I know it was Notafan talking to me, None.

    I was just showing you the type of responses I find amusing.

    Calling me a wife beater is teenage level bullshit.

    Notafan does the whole “I’m above it”, schtick.

    That’s fun.

    Please don’t leave the blog None, just be told that your stray over to femarxism with your comment was not only wrong , but disgusting.
    We shouldn’t have to endure name calling because you have no answer.

    You poo poo head.

    Ner………

  52. None

    Agree Roger. Morrison should be cheeky and say hey they might even cancel live exports the left can’t complain about that.

  53. Makka

    He’s going to have so much fun with this;

    @realDonaldTrump
    Follow Follow @realDonaldTrump
    More

    Elizabeth Warren is being hammered, even by the Left. Her false claim of Indian heritage is only selling to VERY LOW I.Q. individuals!

    7:36 PM – 16 Oct 2018

  54. struth

    And yes struth all is forgiven.

    Ah the female apology.
    No worries, None.

  55. notafan

    I agree twostick, protecting your baby and getting a few bruises while doing so is not heroic

    we used to consider it normal

  56. None

    I’m the one who doesn’t have English as a first language struth, but you don’t do metaphor do you? I have no intention of going anywhere, nor do I accept your accusations of femmymarxism. Remember offence is taken not given.

  57. Norman Church

    Rae – it may well be the case that Harvard did not place any weight on Fauxcahontas being Native American in their original decision to hire her. So what?

    It hardly answers the criticism that she sought to claim Native American status and the benefits attaching thereto – for which there is abundant evidence.

  58. Roger

    Uh oh:

    Moving our embassy to Jerusalem would be a “fatal mistake”, says head of Palestinian delegation:

    “If the Australian government does not reverse the statement…we will have more drastic measures from Muslim and Arab countries. It’s really a fatal mistake, to do this to next-door countries like Indonesia.”

    Sounds like a threat to me.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    demented banana

    That’s pretty high up on the insult scale. My favourite today is this one:

    Petting zoo conservatives

    The ABC especially likes them, thinking of John Hewson and Amanda Vanstone…

  60. struth

    I’m the one who doesn’t have English as a first language struth, but you don’t do metaphor do you? I have no intention of going anywhere, nor do I accept your accusations of femmymarxism. Remember offence is taken not given.

    Snore…………………………..

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m the one who doesn’t have English as a first language struth, but you don’t do metaphor do you?

    Stop lecturing Australians then and learn the language you whining immigrant.
    Always excuses with the ethnic women.

  62. Twostix

    The old shrews offer of an award for a woman protecting her own baby is insulting to all mothers. A bugman assault on the last threads of natural instinctive maternalism we have left.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    God save us from these insufferable Women please!

  64. I am bespoke

    struth
    #2841874, posted on October 17, 2018 at 2:36 pm
    And yes struth all is forgiven.
    Ah the female apology.
    No worries, None.

    Hay! I forgave None days ago for the slander but didn’t give a free pass for the continuing BS.

  65. struth

    I’m the one who doesn’t have English as a first language struth

    Let me say it so you’ll understand then.

    Ve don’t like it ven you accuse ze men of not having ze vested interrrrrrrrest in ze velfare of ze frau und Kinder.

  66. Stimpson. You know how to cure “these women”.

    Do it!

  67. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sinc, why are Immigrant Women allowed on the blog?
    It’s absolutely outrageous.

  68. stackja

    ABC says PLO would be upset by Australia embassy move. ABC making up stories?

  69. Makka

    Ok ffs , enough with the “women” meme. You made your point so can you move on? There are leftists to slay.

  70. Delta A

    Petting Zoo Conservatives

    I liked the remark fired during heated discussion of Overington’s bit (yesterday’s $Oz) on the Royals and ‘It’s OK to be white’ vote:

    borrowing your rationalisation hampster

  71. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson. You know how to cure “these women”.
    Do it!

    I can’t.
    While I do have enough of the mood stabilizer Lithium left over to temporarily cause a cessation of their troublesome behavior, it is all well out of date.
    They could die Inco!
    We can’t take that risk.

  72. None

    Sounds like a threat to me.

    it’s always a threat. I’m surprised that Arab nations haven’t piped up yet. The Mufti hasn’t piped up yet to issue some more threats.
    What is ironic is that all the Arab countries absolutely loathe the Palestinians. Remember the Egyptians have built their own wall to keep the Palestinians out but the left is only freaking out about the Israelis. The Arabs only love the Palestinians because there are useful bludgeoning tool against the West. They really don’t care if Hamasis terrorizing the locals or if they’ve been fart arsing around for 70 years with no solution. Every time they want something from the west particularly from America they use Palestine as a bludgeoning tool.
    I for one am absolutely delighted that Trump has called b******* on this charade. Of course Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and of course Jerusalem has the longest and strongest association with the J–wsh people. Yes Christians may have a few holy sites in that town but they have no connection with the land nor want it. And the idea that Jerusalem is an Islamic holy site is a concocted nonsense that has no historical basis. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Quran so whatever solution is not about the Muslims will never ever ever have all of Jerusalem.
    Every Western nation should follow Trump’s lead and also start withdrawing funding from the Palestinian territories, as well as stopping idiots like you Iran or the Saudis from funding them as well. (Yes the Shia have their fingers in Palestine too).
    In the last 70 years many many countries have achieved independence and gone on to build up their own civil society and take their place at the global table. Sure there been some disasters but even some African nations are making a fist of it. The Palestinians have done sweet FA and have spoilt every attempt, aided and abetted by various Arab Nations.
    Time’s up; opportunity is gone. I personally now favour a one state solution, that one state being Israel and I really couldn’t care less if anyone nuked Gaza and the West Bank. I really don’t.

  73. thefrolickingmole

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe found “clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools“.

    Except Harvard listed her as a native American in their government provided stats on staff.

    Hmm who to believe, their own actions or what they say???.

    Warren’s statement is her first acknowledgment that she identified herself as Native American to the Ivy League schools. While she has said she identified herself as a minority in a legal directory

    And from the previous comment by Top Ender.

    • In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled “Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.” In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as “Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee.”

    • Ms Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She’s never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying.

    • She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked.

    • And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticised for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Ms Warren was Native American.

    Have you had a look at your life lately, defending a 1/poofteenth yank grifter and fake indian?

    Sad
    Low Energy

  74. struth

    There are leftists to slay.

    Fuck that.

    I haven’t even finished beating my wife yet.
    I’m not as young as I used to be.

  75. ABC says PLO would be upset by Australia embassy move.

    Hey it’s high time we got rocket launchers in the kids playgrounds anyway.

  76. I haven’t even finished beating my wife yet.

    At what?

  77. I am bespoke

    Makka
    #2841893, posted on October 17, 2018 at 2:52 pm

    Pretty selfish hording all sledging between you and JC.

  78. Boambee John

    From the old thread

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe

    Not sure who posted this originally, but, The Boston Globe!! LOL!

  79. None

    Stop lecturing Australians then and learn the language you whining immigrant.
    Always excuses with the ethnic women.

    I am Australian, Stimps. But unlike you, I don’t speak Lithiumian.

  80. Shy Ted

    Of course – Anna Burns has become the first Northern Irish author to win the Man Booker prize, taking the £50,000 award for Milkman, her timely, Troubles-set novel about a young woman being sexually harassed by a powerful man. And remember you evil men, even though it’s a novel she’s a survivor, not just a victim.

  81. Speedbox

    I was having a discussion with my wife and oldest daughter last night about the absurdity of Elizabeth Warren and her claim to NA Cherokee.

    My wife (Russian) would undoubtedly have a mish mash of the various invaders (Mongolian, Nordic, French) secreted in her DNA plus who knows what else given the turbulence of Europe for the past couple of thousand years.

    For myself, and my anglo saxon background, the mix would be equally diverse. But, that doesn’t mean I am a Viking. Or perhaps I can claim minority status. 1/50,000 Nordic. I would normally say that you can’t make this stuff up – but apparently, you can.

    Now, where is my axe and round shield. Odin owns you all.

  82. struth

    At what?

    at anything.

    Must go.

    I’d like to say it’s been fun, but instead, I think all up, it’s been worthwhile, sticking to my guns on this, I hope.
    But that’s enough.

  83. stackja

    2GB Adam Ant soundbite saying children dying on Nauru. Later withdrew comment. Greens created the problem. Greens never held to account.

  84. None:

    What is ironic is that all the Arab countries absolutely loathe the Palestinians. Remember the Egyptians have built their own wall to keep the Palestinians out but the left is only freaking out about the Israelis.

    Well said. ++++

  85. Mother Lode

    Warren has been this constant jarring whine, assailing peoples’ ears, for years.

    With this one stupid stunt she has become a punchline that lets us laugh for a while and to be followed by silence.

  86. None

    Craig Thomson denied legal practice certificate. He’s unemployable. He these are the holy dependent chatel of his wife if she doesn’t leave him. Karma for lunch baby.

  87. Makka

    Pretty selfish hording all sledging between you and JC.

    You and struth are making a career out of wymmen bashing. It’s almost becoming distasteful. 2 blokes having an occasional stoush is different. But if you’re so keen on going after the gals then go ahead tough guy.

  88. Atoms for Peace

    Speedbox. Homeopathic heritage enables you to be anything you want to be. Just a molecule is all it takes..

  89. stackja

    The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
    The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

    Israel gained some territory formerly granted to Palestinian Arabs under the United Nations resolution in 1947. Egypt and Jordan retained control over the Gaza Strip and the West Bank respectively.

  90. Mother Lode

    Greens created the problem. Greens never held to account.

    It would take a presence in the media not afraid to call them out.

    Our media is more likely to acquiesce to any request from a Greens candidate than to tell them to go shove Das Kapital up their fundament, and announce on air that they offered to interview them but the Green concerned said they would only on certain conditions – and announce what the conditions were.

    Make the Greens look scared. Eventually a few would front up, typically overestimating their intelligence by orders of magnitude, and would be filleted live on TV.

    Remember that interview Bob Brown had with Chris Ullman where Bob was talking about taxes on coal which would make it uneconomical and which would then be used to subsudise renewables? And how stunned Bob was when Chris queried that if coal is driven out of business where then would the subsidies then come from.

  91. .

    Who knows what Trump’s possible and current appointees think about Kelo, Wickard v Filburn, Roe v Wade and Rummel v Estelle?

    I know what our HC thinks: “the government is always right!”.

  92. struth

    There will always be others that let you do the dirty work and then come in like a knight in shining armour.

    We didn’t start this war against the western white man.

  93. DrBeauGan

    It’s very instructive to find you, finally, providing a ‘pro-choice’ defense of abortion with all its manifest defects. If the question of whether or not the child in utero is afforded the protection of the law depends upon unspecified circumstances, then the same would be true of the child postpartum. Which means that many of the same reasons advanced in favour of abortion of the child in utero can also be licitly advanced postpartum. And you advance that manifestly silly argument under the cloak of both a claim to moral and intellectual modesty. This is indeed a cloak because, in respect of the former, it is not simply a matter of respecting the moral rights of other people if they intend to deliberately act in a way that threatens the life of a third party. Nor is it a matter of intellectual modesty to prescind on the matter of the moral status of the child in utero given what is at stake.

    Judge not, lest ye be judged.

  94. thefrolickingmole

    Modern day curtain twitching Victorians, but without any moral compass beyond “I feelz its icky”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/oct/17/breast-enlargement-ads-shown-during-love-island-banned-by-asa

    Adverts for breast enhancement surgery that were shown during ITV Two’s Love Island have been banned by the advertising watchdog after it backed campaigners who complained they were exploitative of young women’s insecurities.

    The commercials for the firm MYA, which depicted women dancing and laughing around a swimming pool and on a beach and a boat, were labelled “irresponsible and harmful” by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) on Wednesday. Its report said the adverts glamorised and trivialised such surgery.

    “We considered that the ad went beyond presenting the lifestyle of women who had breast enlargement in a positive light and implied that the women were only able to enjoy the aspirational lifestyle shown, and to be happy with their bodies, because they had undergone that surgery,” the watchdog said.

  95. Makka

    They aren’t always welcome. It’s true, mainland Chinese expats can be terribly racist. Quite different than their Taiwanese cousins I find;

    ‘How can you call us monkeys?’ Kenyans say Chinese bring racism

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/africa/you-call-us-monkeys-kenyans-says-china-investment-brings-racism-20181016-p509y4.html

  96. I am bespoke

    Makka
    #2841922, posted on October 17, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    You and struth are making a career out of wymmen bashing.

    Prove that I was bashing None because she’s a woman. And I’m 80% shore struth is trolling.

  97. Stimpson J. Cat

    I am Australian, Stimps. But unlike you, I don’t speak Lithiumian.

    Look, learn English please.
    No one likes Women muttering ethnic jibber jabber to themselves or in public.
    It’s unseemly.
    I’m trying to help you to better yourself.
    I am very helpful to immigrants.
    Some of them are lovely, just great people.

  98. .

    I posted this elsewhere but interesting: nuclear power is actually the cheapest option in the UK, France and South Korea.

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/economic-aspects/economics-of-nuclear-power.aspx

    Als0, 10% of global electricity comes from just 453 operating reactors.

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/facts-and-figures/reactor-database.aspx

  99. .

    ‘How can you call us monkeys?’ Kenyans say Chinese bring racism

    They probably respect monkeys more than “white leftists”, whom they will never worship as gods, but refer to as ‘Wojak’ and ‘NPCs’.

  100. Stimpson J. Cat

    At what?

    Cycling.

  101. Black Ball

    Heidi Heitkamp shooting herself in both feet.

  102. Makka

    I posted this elsewhere but interesting: nuclear power is actually the cheapest option in the UK, France and South Korea.

    Is there a dumber nation on earth besides Australia? Besides Zim and Venezuela that is. We should have the cheapest power on the planet with our endowments. But no, we have the UNiparty….

  103. struth

    Prove that I was bashing None because she’s a woman. And I’m 80% shore struth is trolling.

    I was having a go at her misandry.

    I’d rather be talking about fighting lefties, but hey, I didn’t start it.
    And I ain’t trolling.

    I believe that because we didn’t nail this shit a long time ago , we must at least deal with it now.
    This is divisive, ahistoric cultural Marxism creeping into the thought patterns of even decent women, and must be countered.

    20 years ago you would never have had to bring this shit up, so excuse me fellas.
    Back to cricket, hey?

  104. .

    struth

    Lay off Offdot. She’s my chattel.

    Aunt Lydia will deal with her common scolding and wanton gospelling later.

  105. Black Ball

    20 years ago you would never have had to bring this shit up, so excuse me fellas.
    Back to cricket, hey?

    Australia 2/20 chasing Pakis first innings total of 282

  106. None

    I was having a go at her misandry.

    You know that bit about men getting unjustly accused of sexism and misogyny because they expressed an opinion? Guess where the feminists learnt it from, folks.

  107. I am bespoke

    And I’m 80% shore struth is trolling.

    Actually no, I’m 100% shore struth is just letting of steam because of the current BS. And that’s same free pass I have given you Makka. Should I revisit the accusations sent your way?

  108. OldOzzie

    U.S. Is World’s Most Competitive Economy for First Time in a Decade – WSJ

    Country regains top spot in World Economic Forum rankings thanks to strong economic growth; report says room for improvement on social issues

    The U.S. is back on top as the most competitive country in the world, regaining the No. 1 spot for the first time since 2008 in an index produced by the World Economic Forum, which said the country could still do better on social issues.

    America climbed one place in the rankings of 140 countries, with the top five rounded out by Singapore, Germany, Switzerland and Japan. All five countries’ scores rose from 2017, with the U.S. notching the second-biggest gain after Japan’s.

    The top spot hasn’t gone to the U.S. since the financial crisis stalled output and triggered a global economic slowdown.

    “Economic recovery is well underway, with the global economy projected to grow almost 4% in 2018 and 2019,” said the report, published Tuesday by the organization that produces the Davos conference on global politics and economics.

    Economic DynamosThe U.S. hasn’t held the top spot in thecompetitiveness index since the financialcrisis.Most competitive economies, 2018Source: World Economic ForumNote: Score is out of 100, ideal competitiveness

    Improvement from previous year1. U.S.(score: 85.6)2. Singapore(83.5)3. Germany(82.8)4.Switzerland(82.6)00.20.40.60.81

    However, “recovery remains vulnerable to a range of risks and potential shocks,” the authors warned. They cite a brewing trade war between the U.S. and China as a possible hindrance to growth that could potentially derail the recovery and deter investment. The U.S. has levied tariffs on a total of $250 billion of Chinese goods and China has retaliated with tariffs on $110 billion of U.S. exports as the two nations spar over trade imbalances and other issues.

    Companies that have repatriated manufacturing to the U.S. say that tariffs are increasing their costs and making them less competitive.

    The Global Competitiveness Report this year assessed 140 countries on 98 indicators that measure business investment and productivity. The indicators are organized into 12 main drivers of productivity including the nations’ institutions, tech savvy, infrastructure, education systems, market size and innovation.

    The report scores countries on how closely they match up to the competitive ideal. The U.S. scored 85.6 out of a possible 100. America’s vibrant entrepreneurial culture and its dominance in producing a competitive labor market and nimble financial system “are among the several factors that contribute to making the U.S.’ innovation ecosystem one of the best in the world,” the report said.

    Still, “There is still room for improvement,” according to the authors. While the country’s institutional framework remains relatively sound, there are indications of a weakening social fabric and worsening security situation, it found. The report notes the U.S. homicide rate is five times the average for advanced economies.

    When measured on judicial independence and levels of corruption, the U.S. falls outside the top 10.

    The country also lags behind most advanced economies in terms of healthy life expectancy, which measures expected years of life in good health. The U.S. figure is 67.7 years, slightly lower than Sri Lanka’s and China’s and three years below the average for advanced economies.

    Technology penetration is also relatively low compared to other developed economies, including mobile-broadband subscriptions and internet use. Only 76% of adult Americans regularly use the internet, below the average for the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

    Overall in the index, Switzerland fell to fourth place this year from first place last year, overtaken by the U.S., Singapore and Germany. The top 10 was completed by Japan, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, the U.K., Sweden and Denmark.

    The rankings rely on public data on measures such as inflation and debt levels along with a survey of chief executives.

  109. Shy Ted

    The State Government has revealed the former Labor Government’s deal for eight diesel generators would have cost South Australian taxpayers a staggering $609.5 million over their lifetime.
    A report into the diesel generators by Mr Mark Livesey QC, tabled in State Parliament today, shows that the total price of the former Labor Government’s energy plan would have been at least $814.5 million but maybe more – a blow out of approximately 50 per cent more than initially budgeted.
    Labor! Budget blowout! Must be fake news.

  110. struth

    You know that bit about men getting unjustly accused of sexism and misogyny because they expressed an opinion?

    You’re talking shit none.
    We say nothing, protect you and get accused of misogyny.
    Without expressing one opinion.

    Just shut up for a while.
    You’re making a dick of yourself.
    And you don’t want one of those in this day and age.

  111. Rae

    My wife (Russian) would undoubtedly have a mish mash of the various invaders (Mongolian, Nordic, French) secreted in her DNA plus who knows what else given the turbulence of Europe for the past couple of thousand years.

    Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on what part of Russia she and her ancestors came from.

    For myself, and my anglo saxon background, the mix would be equally diverse. But, that doesn’t mean I am a Viking. Or perhaps I can claim minority status. 1/50,000 Nordic. I would normally say that you can’t make this stuff up – but apparently, you can.

    You just tried to. Maybe you’re not normal today. Anyway, not with DNA, you can’t.

  112. .

    A bit confused by why David L is trying to become a NSW Upper House member, other than his passion for gun rights.

    It is like career regression, it seems. At least someone from the LDP will be appointed his Federal seat.

    The whole “having to quit” the Senate or PS job is silly. That’s not what the author’s intent really was. You should just have to quit once you are confirmed elected by the AEC etc.

  113. I am bespoke

    Come on Makka put up or retract. Don’t go full None

  114. .

    Anyone reckon the Scottish accent is in part from the Norse heritage in the north?

    If you hear a thick accent unprepared, it kind of sounds like “you ams a goods mans” etc.

  115. None

    Thanks for the offer Stimp. Mr None, who is fifth gen, renders assistance when required. He thinks some immigrant women are lovely, great people too.

  116. struth

    Just saying.
    I really have to go now.
    If somebody is about to have a go at me I’ll try to get back at you later.

  117. Black Ball

    I really have to go now.

    Are you getting Tim Tams Struth? 🙂

  118. None

    struth

    #2841959, posted on October 17, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    Just saying.
    I really have to go now.
    If somebody is about to have a go at me I’ll try to get back at you later.

    Hurry back. No more life affirming task than correcting everything wrong that you read on the internet.

  119. Armadillo

    We are all Indians today.

  120. Armadillo

    Michael Jackson wanted to be white, Elizabeth Warren wanted to Indian.

    Join the dots.

  121. I am bespoke

    Salted peanuts for me thanks struth

  122. Armadillo

    Most kids want to be a teapot when they are young and gullible. There is even a song written about it.

    Doesn’t mean we should pretend they are.

  123. OldOzzie

    Bureau of Labor Statistics: Currently 7+ Million Job Openings – Third Quarter Wage Gains +3.3%….

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics has released some remarkable economic data today. There are more than seven million current job openings [See Here] and the year-over-year average wage gains are 3.3% [See Here]

  124. Makka

    Don’t be such a needy prick bespoke. You should know I don’t respond well to instructions. I made my point, you don’t like it , fair enough. I can manage that irritation.

  125. Stimpson J. Cat

    Thanks for the offer Stimp. Mr None, who is fifth gen, renders assistance when required. He thinks some immigrant women are lovely, great people too.

    Exactly.
    Immigrant Women come to the best country in the world, to marry the best Men in the world.
    There are thousands of Women just like you.
    These facts are beyond dispute.
    It’s my job to ensure Immigrant Women don’t degrade our society to the levels of the sh$tholes they seek sanctuary from.

  126. Armadillo

    Where’s mOnts? Campaigning for Sharma in Wentworth?

  127. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

    No, no, I think the verse you are looking for is the one where Pilate mutters, ‘What is truth?’ but more in the vein of ‘What is murder?’ or ‘What is a human being’, something like that.

  128. cohenite

    David Leyonhjelm to make a run for State Parliament

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/david-leyonhjelm-to-make-a-run-for-state-parliament-20181016-p50a1r.html

    WTF would he do that? To get away from blubber-face?

  129. Steve trickler

    Maori’s and muskets.



  130. jupes

    “If the Australian government does not reverse the statement…we will have more drastic measures from Muslim and Arab countries. It’s really a fatal mistake, to do this to next-door countries like Indonesia.

    What has Indonesia got to do with it? Australia is doing nothing to Indonesia.

    The only reason that can make sense is if Indonesia is an anti-Semitic state … Oh wait …

  131. .

    OldOzzie
    #2841971, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    Thanks. Very interesting. I would have thought the participation rate would be picking up by now.

    On trend, it might take up to another 9 months for that to happen, if you assume the low of 2.5% in 1954 (?) is when the demand for labour to start tapping into the pool of discouraged workers.

    It is more realistic to say it would start now, more so with rising real wages, but of course, the modelling is less simple.

    The point of all of this is that if Trump can get these people into jobs, not only does it pretty much make his second term a lock, but it would lock in the Senate and House as well.

  132. DrBeauGan

    Struth, I agree that we have a duty of care to women. But that doesn’t extend to arguing with them. This is just treating them as if they are men, which is bad for them and for us too.

    Women are various and different from each other as well as from men.

    I love them all and wouldn’t have them any other way.

  133. None

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2841974, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    I have that discussion with Mr None all the time. My ancestors came from the cradle of civilization. His came from some bog. He’s very civilized now. Even eats with the knife and fork. I however, couldn’t even grow a potato.

  134. Armadillo

    Judging by the red hair, I reckon mOnts is most likely Scottish. And the golf swing.

    The idiots invented a game that they are really shit at.

  135. Chris

    I have that discussion with Mr None all the time. My ancestors came from the cradle of civilization. His came from some bog. He’s very civilized now. Even eats with the knife and fork. I however, couldn’t even grow a potato.

    If my mother is to be trusted, and I believe she is, then as kids we grew potatoes behind our ears.

  136. None

    Lleyonjhelm has just read the writing on the wall. The new Senate rules which kicking properly come next election will make it almost impossible for minor parties to win a senate seat unless they have a considerable vote. And will the lib dems have showing themselves to be useless. David squandered his opportunity talking about stupid things like guns and marijuana and gay marriage and euthanasia and not offering anything constructive or of mainstream concern. Having see the writing on the wall he like a good little pig is looking for the next trough too stick his snout in. If there is such a thing as a cuck, it’s a libertarian.

  137. I am bespoke

    Makka
    #2841973, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    Don’t be such a needy prick bespoke. You should know I don’t respond well to instructions. I made my point, you don’t like it , fair enough. I can manage that irritation.

    Not when you haven’t a leg to stand on, pathetic. By now you’d screaming lie, lie. Don’t let None pull that choke chain to much.

  138. None

    dover_beach

    #2841976, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    +1

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    My ancestors came from the cradle of civilization.

    You said ancestors.
    It’s a sh$thole now, isn’t it?
    There’s no shame in coming from a sh$thole.
    Just graciously use your manners and thank us for letting you stay.

  140. .

    Err, they applied last election None.

    t stupid things like guns and marijuana

    Not stupid at all. Civilised countries do no ban law abiding citizens from gun ownership.

    Marijuana being legal is also linked to lower violent crime rates.

    If you want safe (and free) communities, you have gun rights and legalise marijuana.

  141. jupes

    If there is such a thing as a cuck, it’s a libertarian.

    Fact check: True

  142. Peter Campion

    Cats, a moment of silence, please, to despair that Flim Flammery was ever our chief scientist. The latest media release from the Klimate Klowncil…

    Feds on Fire: PMs comic performance on renewables

    IT’S BEEN a terrible week for the government, with a backflip on Pauline and gay students and teachers, and now Scott Morrison has had another doozy, making some startling claims about renewables.

    “The Prime Minister has put his foot in it again, pedalling wacky myths on renewable energy. It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious” said Chief Climate Councillor, Professor Tim Flannery.

    On Sky news Morrison declared “we can’t run an energy system that relies on intermittent power sources like wind and solar.”

    This nonsensical nugget from our PM was then followed by another bizarre claim that renewables “are never going to be what keeps the lights on.”

    “Tell that to the almost 17 countries across the globe which now generate more than 90% of their power from renewables,”said Professor Flannery.

    “Then there are states like California, with the fifth largest economy in the world, which is on track to hit 50% renewable energy, predominantly wind and solar, within a few years. And it has its sights set on 100% renewable by 2045.”

    “Australia’s coal and gas power stations have experienced over 100 breakdowns since December last year and yet Scott Morrison is still promoting coal, dragging a lump of it into parliament,” said Professor Flannery.

    “The world is changing. More solar PV capacity was installed around the globe than coal, gas and nuclear combined last year, and 2018 is shaping up to be no different,” he said.

    “Scott Morrison’s claims are wrong. There is a renewables revolution unfolding across the globe and due to federal government inaction on climate and energy, Australia is missing the boat, which has already seen us lose huge investment opportunities.” said Flannery.

    “We know we cannot rely on ageing, polluting and unreliable coal to keep the lights on.”

    “We know Australia can be powered by 100% renewable energy and storage.”

    “Now those, are the facts.”

    “Let’s stop blaming the solutions and focus on fixing the problem,” said Professor Flannery.

    Get the facts on energy, without the political spin at Energy Facts Australia.

    For more information please contact Senior Communications Advisor Lisa Upton on 0438 972 260.

    The Climate Council is Australia’s leading climate change communications organisation. We provide authoritative, expert and evidence-based advice on climate change to journalists, policymakers, and the wider Australian community.

    For further information, go to: climatecouncil.org.au

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  143. .

    Old Ozzie (and Makka and JC)

    If you look at Christmas employment, the timing is fantastic for Trump.

    The US could have unemployment rates heading down to 3.22% at Christmas, on the current trend and the “Christmas bonus”.

  144. notafan

    Nicely said indeed DB

    if that is the rule-we cannot make judgement about anything anyone does -ever

    may as well throw out our entire legal system while we are at it

  145. notafan

    “Tell that to the almost 17 countries across the globe which now generate more than 90% of their power from renewables,”said Professor Flannery.

    fact check please

    or did the sly old soandso slip in some countries with lots of nuclear?

    Or ones that aren’t that bothered about having electricity 24 7?

  146. DrBeauGan

    No, no, I think the verse you are looking for is the one where Pilate mutters, ‘What is truth?’ but more in the vein of ‘What is murder?’ or ‘What is a human being’, something like that.

    No, I got it right but you can’t see it, DB.

    It’s very strange, but I’m more of a Christian than you are. You are a churchian. Maybe Pharisee is the word I want. You believe in following the rules at all costs and damn the consequences. I’ve known women drivers like that.

    Jesus didn’t, by and large didn’t go that way. I’ve been very impressed by his insights into how to live, and I’ve tested them, and crikey, they work. I’ve got others from the Bible and some from therevadim Buddhism. I don’t believe everything Jesus said on the basis that he’s the son of God so I have to. I doubt if Jesus would have thought that a good reason either.

    Your legalistic, dare I say pharisaic, position leads you to a certainty that you know what’s best for everyone and gives you confidence in making up rules for them. I don’t have that certainty. Hence the quote.

  147. JC

    He won’t let go.

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    2h2 hours ago

    Elizabeth Warren is being hammered, even by the Left. Her false claim of Indian heritage is only selling to VERY LOW I.Q. individuals!
    7,827 replies 8,344 retweets 34,025 likes

    Isn’t he wonderful.

  148. lotocoti

    I miss Aliice.
    Mixing Tang with Valu-Rite and calling it a Screwdriver held a certain charm.

  149. .

    On the better years in the recent cycle, it could go down to 3.09% at Christmas.

    The US could see unemployment at 2.5% by June next year.

    Lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% was demonstrably a great idea.

    Now. That said, why is the AUD still so high?

  150. notafan

    Great Scot! The answer to Scotland’s energy needs is blowing in the wind. In 2015, wind power produced the equivalent of 97% of the country’s household electricity needs

    note the use of the word equivalent

    this is what the climate council were claiming in 2016

  151. JC

    Yea Dot. Jobs are plentiful. My kid just got a “staying bonus”. She was offered another job, but the present employers begged her to stay and gave her a “saying bonus” and a promotion. Good time to be American as there are lots of jobs.

  152. .

    The answer is just get some nukes!

    Cheap, virtually unlimited supply and bulletproof reliability.

    Nukes now are very, very safe.

  153. notafan

    Peeved sloppy philosopher!

  154. Snoopy

    Why is Trump threatening to take Jacinda Ardern to court in Texas?

  155. .

    I haven’t seen bonuses paid much in Australia since before the GFC.

    Some industries where they are paid (say, grain accumulation) are having furloughs this year despite bonuses a few years ago and other than the top law and finance firms, it is really limited to the technical trades bruvas and their exploitation of the taxpayer vis a vis Inland Rail, Melb Metro, 2nd Sydney Airport, etc.

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Why is Trump threatening to take Jacinda Ardern to court in Texas?

    He’s having a blitz on horsefaces this week.
    Nothing personal.

  157. .

    Why is Trump threatening to take Jacinda Ardern to court in Texas?

    Very droll. Excellent.

  158. Makka

    Old Ozzie (and Makka and JC)

    If you look at Christmas employment, the timing is fantastic for Trump.

    The US could have unemployment rates heading down to 3.22% at Christmas, on the current trend and the “Christmas bonus”.

    Aside from the US debt situation, every time I read about Trump’s magnificent economic powerhouse , I despair for Oz. Really.

    Compare the US approach to their economy with what you see and understand with the petty grubby squabbling and UN kiss arsing going on in Australia, the way taxpaying citizens are being absolutely [email protected] on energy, ruinables, taxes and the oppressive population ponzi, piling on mountains of regulation choking off small enterprises who want to have a go and protecting maaaates……. it truly sickens me. So much potential caged and squandered.

  159. .

    JC
    #2842005, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Yea Dot. Jobs are plentiful.

    Now. That said, why is the AUD still so high?

    I need it talked down to banana republic levels.

  160. .

    Aside from the US debt situation

    It’s really bad. I hope Congress starts attacking it after the midterms.

    It is potentially bad for everyone, not just the US.

  161. Senile Old Guy

    “We know we cannot rely on ageing, polluting and unreliable coal to keep the lights on.”

    New coal power stations — which we are not allowed to build — have very little pollutions. And, duh, they are ageing because…did I mention not being allowed to build anymore? And they are unreliable because they are ageing because…did I mention not being allowed to build anymore?

    In China and India coal power stations are going gangbusters, using lots of Autralian coal.

    “We know Australia can be powered by 100% renewable energy and storage.”

    This may be technically almost possible but in every other sense it is a lie. The only reliable storage is dams — great big batteries wear out and making them is very polluting — and we are not allowed to build dams.

    It is lies and arm waving. And ignores the greatly increased costs associated with “renewable” energy. It is not renewable because the windmills and other devices wear out and must be replaced.

  162. egg_

    I’m fascinated-though I haven’t read the contents of yesterday-

    I haven’t seen anything written by None over the last months years to suggest she is a ‘raging sexist’.

    I think None’s arguments on gender, marriage and abortion are always well reasoned and presented

    Thus, you’re not qualified to comment – did you miss the bit subsequent to your comment above where the old soak accused Struth of wife bashing?

    I’m a queer, apparently.

    Get this scum off the blog or it’s no holds (holes?) barred.

    If a bloke were up to this sh1te, the “head prefects” would be onto it quick smart.

    /Pissant ROWM syndrome.

  163. Bruce of Newcastle

    So Tim Flannery would support the removal of all renewable energy subsidies then, explicit and implicit. Marvellous news!

  164. None

    You said ancestors.

    It’s a sh$thole now, isn’t it?
    There’s no shame in coming from a sh$thole.
    Just graciously use your manners and thank us for letting you stay.

    .

    I know you’re joking Stimps but in all my years no-one in Australia has ever even inferred that my ancestral homeland is a s*** hole or that I or anyone in my family are ungrateful- not even in jest – so it was actually quite jarring to read that.

  165. JC

    Dot

    The Aussie is where it is because the market decides. I know that may sound like a pretty silly statement, but it’s a truism.

    That said, I think we may be getting close to the trough (all things being equal). If the Liars party gets in then all bets are off.

    For a long term valuation I occasionally take a looksee at the Economist’s Big Mac Index, which is suggesting the Aussie is just under 20% overvalued to the big buck.

    ————-

    The cable trader needs to cut spending. That the fat fuck’s job for the next two years.

    Bank of America reckons the Aussie will head to 84 cents next year. They’re an outlier

  166. egg_

    Egg, the Ungenerous. When you fall off your wall, Humpty, I’ll leave you to the mercy of all the King’s men. And their horses, of course. And me quite good at mending shattered pots. Too bad for you.

    What’s with the friendly fire – I’ve been one of your key supporters, even if I often scroll past.

    I, for one, have read back to previous pages and responded to Cassie’s – and other alleged females – well thought out comments, even if she is a 16 stone black man in a gaol cell*.

    *c/- Dr Martyr

  167. None

    Leigh Lowe

    #2842010, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    Why is Trump threatening to take Jacinda Ardern to court in Texas?

    He’s having a blitz on horsefaces this week.
    Nothing personal.

    Ha!

  168. egg_

    And yes struth all is forgiven.

    Sobered up?

  169. JC

    Achmed.

    The US/ Trump can afford to do what they want pretty much because they have the biggest guns in the whore house. We could tag along with the US with getting out of the Paris accord because other countries wouldn’t dare touch us, or they may feel the wrath on the cable trader. However, we’re pretty limited acting unilaterally because we’re too small.

    Our best position is to continue to have a very close alliance with the US, but have a Swiss outlook on life.

  170. .

    On our unappealing fundamentals, I suspect the Big Mac Index is roughly correct.

  171. egg_

    Well now, this thread is off to a good start. Ambos are standing by…

    Yup.

  172. Armadillo

    Egg, the Ungenerous. When you fall off your wall, Humpty

    Favourite term of Septimus.

  173. None

    Flannery is worse than Bagdad Bob.

  174. JC

    The Yen is 36 percent undervalued to the US Dollar. That sort of undervaluation sticks out like dog’s balls and could be worth taking a one year view on a spec. The Norwegian krona is about 8% overvalued. Buy yen against the krona for a longish term bet. 🙂

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    I know you’re joking Stimps but in all my years no-one in Australia has ever even inferred that my ancestral homeland is a s*** hole or that I or anyone in my family are ungrateful- not even in jest – so it was actually quite jarring to read that.

    I delight in making Women think,
    and think Women a delight.
    Even ungrateful immigrant ones that can’t understand English.

    😁

  176. egg_

    Sodomy slut…

    Kate Fischer’s idea of the ultimate trip was “jumping out of a plane on heroin with a cock up your arse” on The John Singleton Show.

  177. rickw

    “We know Australia can be powered by 100% renewable energy and storage.”

    Lying idiot wrecker.

  178. lotocoti

    Where are the wamens Peter Jackson?

  179. egg_

    When you fall off your wall, Humpty

    Favourite term of Septimus.

    That’s what he called you, IIRC?

  180. JC

    None

    What’s you’re heritage background?

  181. Mark A

    JC
    #2842020, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    Dot

    For a long term valuation I occasionally take a looksee at the Economist’s Big Mac Index, which is suggesting the Aussie is just under 20% overvalued to the big buck.

    According to the explanation, red means under? no?

  182. .

    Can we clear something up?

    Is None Aliiice, Correlio, tomix, coz, amcoz, Lucy, SRR, Dr Phillipa Martyr, a 27 stone black dude from Florida or some random troll from Bird’s (Jinmaro? Freddie/Isher/Philomena?)

    …and how many of them are the same person?

  183. Armadillo

    That’s what he called you, IIRC?

    Correct.

  184. Mother Lode

    Saw an article in the paper yseterday noting, as if something unexpected, that people are opting for 5G.

    Further elucidation that this will be bad for the NBN.

    Almost from the day the NBN was announced people were saying this as going to happen. But government knows best.

    Actually, there were no end of IT professionals endorsing the NBN as a brilliant idea. Don’t know how many IT people agreed, just that there was numerically a lot.

    Most of the arguments in favour seemed to be how good the speeds would be, with no thought to economics or the safe expectation that improvements would make NBN obsolete long before it was finished.

  185. Steve trickler

    And today, we weep. Victoria-1948.



  186. Armadillo

    None isn’t a Sheliah, Stimpy.

  187. .

    …or GoogleRay, or Kate Fischer?

  188. JC

    Oh shit yes undervalued… that’s what I meant.

  189. notafan

    and now i’m twice as glad I didn’t bother

  190. .

    Armadillo
    #2842044, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    None isn’t a Sheliah

    Okay, Googleray (Septimus) or Freddie/Isher/Jinmaro.

    Now, are they actually the same and how many other names do they go under!?

  191. I am bespoke

    Add makka and Ford to that list, Dot

  192. Stimpson J. Cat

    None isn’t a Sheliah, Stimpy.

    He is if he says he is.
    Don’t be racist.

  193. .

    JC
    #2842046, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    Oh shit yes undervalued… that’s what I meant.

    I’m genuinely shocked. I can’t see the value.

  194. .

    I am bespoke
    #2842050, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    Add makka and Ford to that list, Dot

    LOL

    I seriously doubt that.

  195. DrBeauGan

    There’s a similarity between the catholic dogmatists and the lefty dogmatists. Both have a religious certainty in their moral rectitude and the conviction that they have the right to regulate the proles.

    The Catholics did this when they had secular power, and now the lefties are doing it. Christians are nice people when they have no secular power. Lefties not so much.

    I just don’t like bullies of any stamp.

    Which is why ordaining women into being priestesses is a really bad idea. Their maternal instincts run wild and their inclination to dominate small children is extended to the entire human race.

  196. Mark A

    .
    #2842013, posted on October 17, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Now. That said, why is the AUD still so high?

    I need it talked down to banana republic levels.

    Just hang on with that for a little while yet.
    I’m still being paid in AUD partly and the exchange rate to euro is bad enough now, don’t want it lower.
    Checking in with my transfer agent every day to see when to transfer.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    and how many of them are the same person?

    All of them.
    One-electron universe
    They just go around and back again through time.

  198. Armadillo

    I seriously doubt that.

    Correct again. This is getting weird now.

  199. None

    Egg – I can only guess why the Cat these days is populated by a significant group of crazy needy men who are obsessed with me, so much so that they even read back over old threads and (mis)count my comments. It’s a far cry from Jason Soon days. Frankly, I find your obsession mildly creepy. But I’m coming to realise there’s no point in me telling you this because, jokes aside, you’re crazy. You are a genuinely cracked egg, you live in Lala land and we’re about to witness yet another one if yoursplendidly paranoid meltdowns.

  200. JC

    It’s just a rough and ready PPP valuaion, Dot. It only really gets interesting when it stick out like dogs balls. US Yen rate is a pretty decent one to look at for a trade.. as I said.

  201. Makka

    The Big Mac index is something for numpties to ponder. Meaningless for any kind of forecasting value.

    The bottom line is that Australia would be doing exponentially better as a nation if we adopted the US approach to our economy; unshackled it from regulation, onerous taxes , protection for maaates, energy idiocy and the stupidity imposed by our slavish devotion to the UN and the Paris Accord. Fk em. But we won’t. We love our self imposed straightjacket because Lucky Country.

    The AUD will eventually take out the GFC lows. Into the 50’s. Possibly next year. The trajectory is inevitable given US v AUS bond spreads.

  202. .

    The Big Mac index is something for numpties to ponder. Meaningless for any kind of forecasting value.

    Explain how.

    If you’re forecasting off fundamentals, then if you expect a correction, then ostensibly the correction will revert to the intrinsic value.

  203. JC

    It’s just a rough and ready PPP valuaion, Dot. It only really gets interesting when it stick out like dogs b*lls. US Yen rate is a pretty decent one to look at for a trade.. as I said.

  204. OldOzzie

    Australia’s richest man has a radical solution to drought and worker shortages

    Anthony Pratt, the executive chairman of packaging giant Visy Industries and a food security philanthropist, also called for the Great Artesian Basin to be tapped to relieve the drought crippling most of NSW, and parts of Victoria and Queensland.

    Outlining a 20-year plan at the National Farmers’ Federation’s congress on Wednesday about ensuring Australian agricultural produce could continue to be exported, Mr Pratt said Australia should look to Israel and California to solve its water management problems.

    “I believe the Great Artesian Basin and other underground resources could produce much of what we want to grow with carefully sited infrastructure,” he said.

    “Some underground water is salty, so can’t all be used for irrigation. But Israel processes brackish groundwater for agriculture. And solar-powered desal equipment teamed with modern bore equipment could yield fresh water.”

    The Great Artesian Basin stretches under 1.7 million square kilometres, or 22 per cent of Australia’s land mass, and sits underneath NSW, Queensland, South Australia and the Northern Territory.

    “Some of our best pastoral and farming land lies right on top of the Great Artesian Basin – which holds 6000 trillion litres, 10 times the water we need each year,” he said.

  205. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look, it’s hard enough bravely battling male pattern baldness AND severe mental illnesses let alone having to work out which ones of you Goddamned F$cking Boomer Clownshoes are actual real people.
    Can you Sane People get your f$cking act together, you are being very inconsiderate towards those of us with special mental needs.

    Sort yourselves out before I get back please.

    Women, follow the Men in charge.

  206. JC

    The Big Mac index is something for numpties to ponder. Meaningless for any kind of forecasting value.

    STFU. PPP is a decent way to look at things, if not for trading.

  207. egg_

    None
    #2842059, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    Fvck off, retard.
    I’ve had carnival relations with one the most popular Kittehs.

  208. .

    mizaris posted this elsewhere:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/24452-democrat-operative-admits-we-ve-been-rigging-elections-for-50-years?fbclid=IwAR1Duo85TG8WZMg4z1LeXPMRBVzI_JR-npl8cDvcBKlB7nIfsOUyK9gg5UQ#

    Captured on video by a Project Veritas undercover reporter posing as a Democrat donor aiming to perpetrate a vote-fraud plot, Foval’s startling admissions come on the heels of an undercover video showing New York City’s Democrat election commissioner, Alan Schulkin, admitting that “there is a lot of voter fraud.” But while Schulkin actually lamented that political operatives “bus people in,” Foval is one of the election thieves orchestrating the bussing — proudly (video below).

    Not surprisingly, Foval expressed admiration for this older manipulator, saying:

    Bob Creamer is diabolical and I love him for it. I have learned so much from that man over the last twenty years, I can’t even tell you. And he calls me to be his firefighter a lot of the time, because there are people who in our movement will not do what it takes to get s**t done. And I’m not that person. I’m the one they send when everything has gone to s**t. And so he spends a lot of time on the phone with my boss asking me to go places that I don’t wish to go.

    And what gets done? Foval explained, “We manipulated the vote with money and action, not with laws.” The fraudster continued:

    It’s a pretty easy thing for Republicans to say, “Well, they’re bussing people in!” Well, you know what? We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you f*****g a******s for 50 years, and we’re not going to stop now. We’re just going to find a different way to do it. So, I mean I grew up with that idea. They used to bus people out to Iowa. If they needed people there we’d bus people out to Iowa.

    Mind. Blown.

  209. No, I got it right but you can’t see it, DB.

    It’s very strange, but I’m more of a Christian than you are. You are a churchian. Maybe Pharisee is the word I want.

    You’re not fooling anyone, Dr BG. There is nothing Christian about whistling past as a child is being murdered and saying, “Oh, well, ‘Judge not, lest the be judged'”, especially given that the verse relates to hypocrisy.

    You believe in following the rules at all costs and damn the consequences.

    No, I don’t, but this reveals how terrible your position is that you should slink so quickly to lying.

    Your legalistic, dare I say pharisaic, position leads you to a certainty that you know what’s best for everyone and gives you confidence in making up rules for them. I don’t have that certainty. Hence the quote.

    Yes, yes, we understand that you are ‘uncertain’ if the child in utero or postpartum is a human being. That you are ‘uncertain’ if the child in utero or postpartum is innocent and therefore deserving of the protection of the law. That you lack the ‘confidence’ necessary to apply any relevant rules or principles to help us work out any moral questions in this or that circumstance, not for fear of falling into Phariseeism, but because you are sceptical that there can be any such rules or principles . All of this uncertainty derives from your intellectual modesty and moral honesty. But we are nevertheless left wondering why you still offered the position that the child in its first week, post-conception, was not a human being, and do so repeatedly and strongly when you purport to have the intellectual modesty that would make any such judgment impossible.

  210. JC

    The trajectory is inevitable given US v AUS bond spreads.

    If that was the case, the Yen should be a 360 instead of 112. You need to stick to digging holes. Interest rate spreads are one of the many factors. For the Aussie, the most important is the state of play in the commodity markets.

  211. I am bespoke

    Anyone no why Gary Orsum pulled all his YouTube video’s?

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    Holy Shit! Woman kills her husband with plastic explosives in the anus.

    Yet another example of Women blowing things out of proportion.

  213. Snoopy

    So very ABC.

    When the Duchess of Sussex stepped off the plane in Dubbo wearing a pair of Gold Coast-designed, ethically sourced jeans, she created a storm for one Australian business.

    I wonder what wages they pay their Cambodian factory workers.

    “sustainable fashion” LOL.

  214. I am bespoke

    Armadillo
    #2842057, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:17 pm
    I seriously doubt that.
    Correct again. This is getting weird now.

    I got really weird almost from the start and stayed there.

  215. thefrolickingmole

    Michael Jackson wanted to be white, Elizabeth Warren wanted to Indian.

    Join the dots.

    Dont be silly dots are Aboriginal not Indian or whatever the crap Jackson was….

  216. Stimpson J. Cat

    ethically sourced jeans

    Of course they mean ethnically sourced jeans.

  217. Makka

    If you’re forecasting off fundamentals, then if you expect a correction, then ostensibly the correction will revert to the intrinsic value.

    I want to make money. So for trading AUD I use charts. Intrinsic value doesn’t offer any opportunity regarding timing or levels. Short term positions , days maybe a week or 2 payoff best but always with an eye on the dominant trend. Fundamentals do matter at times, like now with AUD but it’s not the comparative price of a Big Mac that’s helpful to win a buck. That’s what I find.

  218. Stimpson J. Cat

    None, stop being more annoying than Monty.
    Please.

  219. I am bespoke

    Gab
    #2842074, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:31 pm
    Gary Orsum
    Who?

    A youtuber that probably pushed the wrong button.

  220. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sinc, can you please delete all the NPC’s off the site when you get a chance?
    Thanks in advance.

  221. DrBeauGan

    Yes, yes, we understand that you are ‘uncertain’ if the child in utero or postpartum is a human being. That you are ‘uncertain’ if the child in utero or postpartum is innocent and therefore deserving of the protection of the law. That you lack the ‘confidence’ necessary to apply any relevant rules or principles to help us work out any moral questions in this or that circumstance, not for fear of falling into Phariseeism, but because you are sceptical that there can be any such rules or principles . All of this uncertainty derives from your intellectual modesty and moral honesty. But we are nevertheless left wondering why you still offered the position that the child in its first week, post-conception, was not a human being, and do so repeatedly and strongly when you purport to have the intellectual modesty that would make any such judgment impossible.

    DB, I deal in concrete cases and you work from principles. These are two quite different ways of handling reality. We both think the other method.sucks.

    There’s not much point in going into it more deeply than that. You cannot conceive of not founding your reasoning on fundamental self-evident principles. I don’t think there are any.

  222. Gab

    Apparently youtube had a world-wide outage today.

  223. Gab

    I have no idea what else happened in the world today. Just the youtube bit. This is what happens when one has a job.

  224. Makka

    STFU. PPP is a decent way to look at things, if not for trading.

    Lol, good. Now go out and make money on currencies with PPP. Like I said, for numpties like you.

    Stick to digging holes? With your Finance Major, you therefore are the ONLY person here with the right to opine on currencies. GTFOOH shitforbrains. You are the fking clown who forecasted worldwide depression with Trump and megadeath with Brexit. Buy the AMP falling knife, remember that? It’s worth more!

    So much for your worthless forecasts, numpty.

  225. None

    Stimpy,
    I can’t be more annoying than Monty. We’re not even the same gender. And you know: male women’s competition boys win. See? Those excess male pattern hormones have their uses. You’re a winner, Stumps, a winner.

  226. struth

    Fuck immigration.
    No idea, no respect.

  227. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy,
    I can’t be more annoying than Monty. We’re not even the same gender. And you know: male women’s competition boys win. See? Those excess male pattern hormones have their uses. You’re a winner, Stumps, a winner.

    It’s because he’s not here that you are more annoying.
    Maybe I should have included diagrams as English is not your first language and you struggle with it so much.

  228. struth

    Gary Orsum was Dick’s brother.

    Everyone knows this.

  229. catholic dogmatists and the lefty dogmatists.

    Right now in Queensland, the only thing between legislation that would legitimatize the indiscriminate slaughter of children in utero and its proponents is Catholic dogmatists. We are up against both lefty dogmatists and their accomplices, liberal skeptics.

  230. Gab

    DB, I deal in concrete cases and you work from principles.

    LOL you don’t even deal in science on this matter.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html List of scientific papers.

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