Open Forum: November 10, 2018

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  1. Death Giraffe

    Add a complete lack of a rigorous academic program to a thorough socialist indoctrination.
    We are fucked.

  2. Makka

    A failing year six primary child in Taiwan is well ahead of a passing year eleven student in an Australian high school.

    I don’t buy that bs, at least not in private schools. Sure , it’s not good but that’s ridiculous.

  3. Death Giraffe

    I don’t buy that bs, at least not in private schools. Sure , it’s not good but that’s ridiculous.

    ..
    I can show you the test papers from Taiwan, and I thoroughly know the Australian curriculum.
    In year six they are factorising quadratics.
    And not the easy ones.

  4. twostix

    A lot of Christians think they have a “relationship” with the Muslim community.

    The word’s meaning is fluid, of course.

    Foolishness.

    Of course they are.

    The modern Hippy Jesus doctrine has turned the remaining fifteen Australian and UK christians into pacifist massive perpetual victim, vain, soy poisioned faggot lesser bugmen.

    So they look to Muslims for the same reason the leftwing bugman does: as a muscular army who they hope they will be able to trick into getting down and dirty in the street fights they won’t and can’t fight themselves. The bugman successfully uses muslims to crush and terrorise the secularist proles in their streets and shopping centres. The christian watches on and hopes to similarly get muslims to defend their, erm, shared christian ‘values’ against the bugman.

    (It does not take long to understand why the greater bugman effortlessly has routed the modern christian in entirety from the public space)

  5. Makka

    From what I can see Archy is that quadratics appear in the Australian Maths curriculum in Yr 9 or 10. In Taiwan’s published curriculum, Yr 8. Different yes but not dramatically so.

  6. Makka

    The point I’m making Archy is that in general yes we are fucked. More due to the corrupt , criminal and traitorous state our Govt is in than anything else. But that doesn’t mean all students can’t have a prosperous future as adults. There are many pockets of excellence , not all students are dummies. They may just have to get ahead someplace other than Australia.

  7. Death Giraffe

    Year 6 Makka.
    My niece failed a quadratics test there.
    It blew my mind how hard the questions were.
    I’ll see if I can dig it out.
    I brought it back here to show colleagues.
    Remember, your average Aussie won’t do any quadratics.
    Only the ones who take the harder maths.

  8. Makka,
    Getting kids to actually solve problems, or write explanations, is vastly different and more complex than getting them to simply tick-a-box, A, B, C or D. I speak as one with a grandchild in Year 8, and another in Year 10.

    If anything, Giraffe is understating the problem.

  9. Death Giraffe

    not all students are dummies.

    ..
    True enough.
    And smart curious kids teach themselves to an extent.
    That does not relieve from responsibility a system that is asking not enough from them acadmically, instead wasting everyone’s time with indoctrination, lessons on drug use, butt sex and being a “global citizen”. FFS.
    Look. I have some real horror anectdotes I’m holding off on until a bit of time goes past.
    But I will make clear just howcmuch worse it is than most parents realise.

  10. Steve trickler

    The National Broadband Network is a joke.

    Fucking useless, 7:48 WST.

  11. twostix

    Thank you John Howard and Amanda Vanstone for enriching our country with this wonderful human being.

    We’re perpetually surprised that the Commonwealth does not act for the benefit of the nation.

    That thing operating in Canberra isn’t in the least bit a government of a nation. It was once, for a little while but that whole thing died with the old parliament house.

    Federation after just a century in this place was too soon, the nation hadn’t solidified and matured enough. So we now have this thing in Canberra a weird, childish, facsimile of a national government. Pretending to be important in their stupid weird looking bunker in a hill parliament house with its putrid, sterile, Republic-wannabee houses. Operating out of sync with the nation because the nation grew and altered in it’s own way but didn’t have the deep roots and traditions and to force the distant government to change with it. We’re now forced to elect them and we absolutely hate them – just give us our money and shut up.

    This is because they do not hold the heart of the nation, they began to lose it in the 1970’s and it’s gone now.

    So the Commonwealth has gone their way and the australian has gone ours and we’re kind of shackled with this thing wondering what the hell we do. Peoples minds are turning back towards their states, in the mind of the everyman the only reason the commonwealth has a purpose for existing right now is for Medicare and Centrelink.

  12. Makka

    Getting kids to actually solve problems, or write explanations, is vastly different and more complex than getting them to simply tick-a-box, A, B, C or D. I speak as one with a grandchild in Year 8, and another in Year 10.

    Well MV your grandchild is doing different Maths to my daughter – Maths Specialist and Methods in WA. She had to write out long hand ALL her Maths calculations, explanations and and problems long hand for scrutiny through years 11 and 12. She graduated Y12 with a 99.6 ATAR. So, it’s not all vanilla by any means. A lot has to do with the academic quality of the school and the Maths teacher body within it IMO.

  13. twostix
    #2861340, posted on November 10, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    Brilliant summation, Twostix.

  14. Makka

    Maths: And of course the student. They do better of course if they love the subject with the rules based logic and reasoning it imposes. As a parent, that’s my take.

  15. Leo G

    Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton said Shire Ali’s plan “wasn’t sophisticated”, with the car catching fire but not exploding.

    Like the ACL bomber, this chap didn’t appreciate that the gas bottles have a pressure relief mechanism. Without that mechanism, the potential explosive force is the same as about twice the amount of TNT.

  16. Well MV your grandchild is doing different Maths to my daughter . . .

    As far as I’m concerned, Makka, my grandkids aren’t doing Maths at all, at school.
    More like “paint by numbers” arithmetic.
    They come here to the granny flat for any information they want on physics, chemistry, or maths.
    They know it’s pointless asking at school, because the teachers don’t know.

  17. Makka

    As far as I’m concerned, Makka, my grandkids aren’t doing Maths at all, at school.

    Like I said, a LOT depends on the school. Admittedly, there are many who have little or no choice in that respect for various reasons.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    They come here to the granny flat for any information they want on physics, chemistry, or maths.

    The next generation were known to show up here, for information on Australian history.

  19. Steve trickler

    National Broadband Network. 8:23 WST. Perth.

    Useless! This is ridiculous.

    Billions and billions and billions of dollars later and we get blurry shit. Poor sound.



    All the best to those with HD at their end.

  20. Steve trickler

    Oops, wrong link. Still blurry. NBN is crap.



  21. jupes

    There’s some sort of Indian festival going on down the road.

    I tell you what, I hope they play a few more drum solos.

  22. Steve trickler

    Interesting. Part 3.



  23. The next generation were known to show
    up here, for information on Australian history.

    There are always promising signs, Zulu. 12yo grandson has developed a keen interest in the fermentation process – he’s already made some fairly potent, alcoholic Ginger Beer, which he’s not the least bit interested in actually drinking, but loves feedback.

    Naturally, being a caring, sharing grandad, I drink it often – just to please him.

  24. Steve trickler

    It worked.

    The NBN is crap.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/11/anne-aly-wants-to-give-scott-morrison-lessons-in-violent-jihadi-terrorism.html

    Health warning. Watch this, if you have a strong stomach, and, if you live in the seat of Cowan, vote her out at the next election.

  26. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From rickw at 9:15 pm:

    “Mr Morrison also urged Australians not to be intimidated by Friday’s attack

    The bloke murdered by the jihadi isn’t intimidated anymore, he’s dead.”

    It gets worse and worse.

    At my wife’s urging, after she saw a photo of the victim on 7 News, I have done a little research and discovered the victim was Sisto Malaspina, one of the joint owner operators of the iconic Pellegrini’s Café in Bourke Street.

    I assume there are many here who have been to Pellegrini and enjoyed the gentle peace during the day and the busy noise and laughter in the evenings until late. The owners are happy, chatty, charismatic old Italians who can rabbit on about soccer, politics, some recent personal event, AFL or why one should try the pastry on offer with cream and ice cream. Their manner is as if they were merely continuing a chat with a neighbor from just yesterday.

    They’ve been at it since the mid ’70s and it hasn’t much changed since I was introduced to it 40 years ago – long and narrow with bits and pieces of memorabilia on the wall over the bar. I was in and out of Melbourne from my Sydney base for the whole of my corporate career and I ate and slept at the Paris end of Collins Street, mostly at the splendid Regent Hotel, Collins Place.

    Pellegrini and the fine Florentinos restaurant just alongside became favorite places to dine and enjoy while away. The area has a style about it reminiscent of New York and both places offer service at the same exceptional level.

    That useless bundle of sticks Andrews would know both places well enough and he surely would have filled his pants, or should have*, when he found who had been murdered by this one of his grubby, stinking, uncivilised black pets from the jungle.

    Sisto Malaspina and his mate are outstanding examples of successful migration, a couple of Italians who landed here with nought, who got on with the job right from the jump and who hadn’t stopped working since. He should not have died like this.

    * maybe not – your average Victorian has displayed his apathy clearly enough for a couple of decades now and cops what Labor dishes up because they no longer give a bugger.

  27. Steve trickler

    HD,NBN ( Australia ) TEST! 8:48 WST.



    Funny to witness. System overload.

    Blurry muck!

  28. Watch this, if you have a strong stomach,

    What the deceitful bitch is conveniently side-stepping, is the fact that people who are shot, stabbed, or blown up up by violent muslims have no choice in the matter. They just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Women who keep going back to the arseholes who continue to beat them up, on the other hand, are exercising free choice with regards to their circumstances. Nobody is responsible but themselves.

  29. Steve trickler

    Pixels restored. Peak hour on the NBN is a joke..

    Heads should roll.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What the deceitful bitch is conveniently side-stepping, is the fact that people who are shot, stabbed, or blown up up by violent muslims have no choice in the matter. They just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    MV, may I steal that quote, shamelessly and with all due attribution?

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway, night all. I’m off to the Remembrance Day service tomorrow – thinking of a couple of my mob, one of who was gassed on the Western Front, never recovered his health, and returned his medals in protest at the treatment dealt out to ex – soldiers.

  32. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2861358, posted on November 10, 2018 at 11:48 pm

    From rickw at 9:15 pm:

    “Mr Morrison also urged Australians not to be intimidated by Friday’s attack

    The bloke murdered by the jihadi isn’t intimidated anymore, he’s dead.”

    It gets worse and worse.

    At my wife’s urging, after she saw a photo of the victim on 7 News, I have done a little research and discovered the victim was Sisto Malaspina, one of the joint owner operators of the iconic Pellegrini’s Café in Bourke Street.

    It will take forever for my awaiting moderation post to clear – I wanted readers to see just who was killed, so I will re-send this first bit with the link …

  33. When asked if police should have shot Shire Ali in the leg rather than the chest, Mr Ashton said police were trained to kill if they believed their life or a member of the public’s life was at risk.
    “We don’t train people to wound people with firearms,” he said on the Today Show.
    “You’re trained to shoot to kill, not to shoot to wound.”

    FMS, Fatty Ashton’s finally grown a pair.

    He wants Caliph Andrews re-elected.
    Had this happened after the election, Trolleyman would be already charged with a string of offences, including public disorder, and the Two Vicplod who’d attended & shot the Brother would be suspended without pay, and should they opt to return to the force, be facing a 30-year posting to the transit Police on the [insert name of rough suburb] train line.

  34. twostix

    When asked if police should have shot Shire Ali in the leg rather than the chest..

    What babyish people we put up with.

  35. Death Giraffe

    Fox:

    Two U.S. Marine Corps pilots have been grounded pending an investigation into a digitally-mapped flight path over Southern California skies last month that appeared to be in the shape of male genitalia.

  36. Death Giraffe

    When asked if police should have shot Shire Ali in the leg rather than the chest..

    ..
    They should have shot his cock off then double tapped his head.

  37. Tintarella di Luna

    This is a nice development in academia – I wonder how long he will last as provost:

    A top executive at the University of Sydney has accused academic opponents of Ramsay Centre funding of “conspiracy theory” thinking and basing their complaints on “logical absurdity”.

    here’s the rest:

    In an email widely distributed within the university this week, provost Stephen Garton strongly defended the university’s negotiations with The Ramsay Centre for Western Civilisation to gain funding to teach a “great books” course drawn from the Western canon. Seven departments in the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences — media and communications, sociology and social policy, anthropology, political economy, government and international ­relations, English and history — have publicly urged the university to reject Ramsay money.

    Professor Garton, who is the senior deputy to vice-chancellor Michael Spence, rejected the ­assertion that a Ramsay-funded course would compromise academic values.

    “The frame of reference here (of Ramsay opponents) is an implication that if we breathe any Ramsay air at all we will immediately become infected and diseased,” he wrote in the email sent on Wednesday. “I have far more confidence in the intellectual ­robustness and resilience of our colleagues than that.”

    Professor Garton’s email is the latest in a back-and-forth debate within the university about the draft terms of agreement for the planned course which the university has sent to Ramsay.

    It is a public rebuttal of another email circulated widely within the university by a prominent Ramsay critic, politics professor John Keane, on November 1. “It (the Ramsay-sponsored course) dogwhistles in the direction of bigoted defenders of an imaginary ‘West’,” Professor Keane wrote. He also said the university’s planned name change of the course from “Western civilisation” to “Western tradition” was window dressing and “must ­already have been discussed and cleared informally by the Ramsay Centre board.”

    In response, Professor Garton said the accusation was “lacking any evidence whatsoever”.

    “There was no such ‘clearance’ beforehand — informal or formal. But the confident assertion in your letter reveals the ‘conspiracy theory’ thinking informing some of your claims,” he said.

    Professor Garton said he was also concerned by the “pejorative language of lucre” employed by some critics of the university’s ­potential partnership with the Ramsay Centre.

    He said the university received philanthropic funding of about $100 million a year which was “vital support in an age of declining public funding” and that funds from donors were commonly ­directed for a particular purpose.

    “There is a logical absurdity in the complaint (from Ramsay ­opponents) that the funds are for some humanities disciplines and not for some of the social sciences,” Professor Garton said.

    “Does this mean we shouldn’t accept funding for renal cancer because it is not also for bowel cancer, that we shouldn’t accept a chair in Celtic studies because it is not more broadly European studies, that we shouldn’t accept funding for a position in near eastern archaeology because it is not also classical archaeology, that we wouldn’t accept it for medieval history because it ignores medieval philosophy?”

    Professor Garton said he agreed that the term “Western civilisation” was a contested one, but this was a reason to teach it and open up the issues.

  38. zyconoclast

    Federal regulators want to ban the sale of most flavored e-cigarettes at retail locations like gas stations and convenience stores and require anyone buying e-cigarettes online to verify their age.

    The new restrictions come as the Food and Drug Administration has been trying to rein in a dramatic increase in vaping by young people. Smoking of traditional tobacco cigarettes has fallen to a record low, but the popularity of e-cigarettes with youth is raising alarm bells.

    FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb tells Politico’s podcast Pulse Check that he fears one form of nicotine is replacing another.

  39. DrBeauGan

    Professor Garton said he agreed that the term “Western civilisation” was a contested one, but this was a reason to teach it and open up the issues.

    We’re the best. By a country light year. And the losers can’t bring themselves to confront that awful truth.

  40. Oh come on

    When asked if police should have shot Shire Ali in the leg rather than the chest..

    Umm that’s a stupid question because we know what the answer was. For the two ‘first responders’, armed with firearms, tasers, pepper spray etc, they chose to play chasey around a tree with the knife-wielding murderous terrorist, rather than engaging him with one of the weapons at their disposal. Yes I would have been great with them trying to shoot the fucker in the legs or the head or at whatever part of his anatomy they thought would have been best, as opposed to running away from him.

    No wonder we have serious gang problems in our major cities. The cops are, by and large, pussies.

  41. stackja

    Vic police Ashton says policemen new to job. They to be investigated and substance tested. Of course, Ashton not to be investigated?

  42. stackja

    zycon – Hirsi Ali upsets usual suspects too.

  43. Huh? “Substance tested”?
    For what end?

    They managed to shoot him didn’t they?
    (Without shooting anybody else)

    Testing for any substance, including caffeine or chewing gum, not necessary.

  44. zyconoclast

    Sunday, the Islamic call to prayer will be sounded for the first time in history in Mechelen’s Sint-Rombouts cathedral, as part of a great peace concert.

    he concert is organized to commemorate the end of the Great War. No less than five choirs with about 180 singers will participate: the Cathedral Choir, Salvocalee and Vokalis (Mechelen), Cantate (Aarschot) and Musica Nova (Boom / Wilrijk).

  45. DrBeauGan

    zyconoclast
    #2861376, posted on November 11, 2018 at 1:43 am
    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    Britain is dead. What Hitler and the Luftwaffe couldn’t do, the lefties have accomplished. Despicable creeps in government have destroyed the standing of a thousand years of brilliant history.

  46. stackja

    Socrates – Ashton worried?

  47. stackja

    Telegraph story that Shire was upset with people.

  48. Cpt Seahawks

    Very courageous cowering by the mighty women and Adam Beta Bandt of Melbourne. Hear them roar.

  49. Nob

    I thought the cops did alright in getting close to the guy and looking for an arrestbefore drawing weapons.

    The final shot was a bit like Indiana Jones faced with the whipcracker.

    One hopes they would have acted more quickly if he’d advanced on civilians.

  50. rickw

    I thought the cops did alright in getting close to the guy and looking for an arrestbefore drawing weapons.

    Both cops would be dead if they were up against a more competent jihadi. They got way to close to him. Especially given that neither had drawn their weapons.

  51. Mark A

    rickw
    #2861395, posted on November 11, 2018 at 7:19 am

    Both cops would be dead if they were up against a more competent jihadi. They got way to close to him. Especially given that neither had drawn their weapons.

    I’m afraid you are right.
    Their self-defense training is woeful.

  52. None

    There is a reason why police are trained to shoot in the chest in such situations. In the UK if they were chasing a terror suspect it would be 3 shots to the head bam bam bam no hesitation. And finally that f***** had no concern for other peoples lives and had already killed one by this stage. He forfeited any right to any shot in the leg. If you saw the video the f*** I was still resisting when he was shot on the ground and being handcuffed. He can fry in hell and so can the stupid person who asked the question.
    The young cop who shot the guy did well because he had only a split second to get a clear shot without risking hitting an innocent and before trolley man started interfering again as well and risking the cop’s life by momentarily distracting him. The whole world watched how his partner fended off the psychotic fuckwe and tried to disarm him with his truncheon and the whole world watched as a sucker then lunde towards him. Now the f****** stupid police force will put him through a groller – even f****** drug tests – Lucky’s a guilty party because you know procedure protocol nevermind what your own eyes tell you.

  53. rickw

    Britain is dead. What Hitler and the Luftwaffe couldn’t do, the lefties have accomplished. Despicable creeps in government have destroyed the standing of a thousand years of brilliant history.

    Strangely the formerly weak and indecisive man of Europe doesn’t seem to be dead – Italy.

  54. Mark A

    None
    #2861398, posted on November 11, 2018 at 7:22 am

    Hard to say when outside help is required or even needed.
    Depends on the actions and confidence of the officers.
    In this instance, I think the PC (political correctness) training took precedence, instead of dealing with the offender properly, they took the touchy-feely approach until self preservation clicked in.

    One day it will happen here as well as it did in the UK, policemen will get killed and the top brass will lay wreaths.

  55. A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    Incredible. The same group persecuting her in Pakistan is preventing her from receiving asylum in the UK because they, not her, may disturb civil order. Things will have to get very ugly in the UK.

  56. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2861403, posted on November 11, 2018 at 7:48 am

    Incredible. The same group persecuting her in Pakistan is preventing her from receiving asylum in the UK because they, not her, may disturb civil order. Things will have to get very ugly in the UK.

    There is no Cromwell on the horizon.

  57. Boambee John

    zyconoclast
    #2861376, posted on November 11, 2018 at 1:43 am
    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    Worried about some kind of Islamic backlash? How ironic, usually they worry about non-Islamic backlashes!

  58. Boambee John

    Vis Jo Nova

    “What we’re hearing is terrible. We’re seeing closures have already started, I fully expect there will be more closures and staff put off. When you’re running a small supermarket, where do you find an extra $70,000?”

    Surely this cannot be. Only the other day the lackey of the fascist left was assuring us that ruinables were both cheap and the way of the future!

    I see he has not yet found it within himself to condemn the bunch of fascists who terrorised a woman in her own home simply because they didn’t like her husband’s political opinions.

  59. Snoopy

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    Seems like a heaven sent opportunity to me. Every foreign-born person who can’t accept Bibi’s asylum should be deported. After having their Brit citizenship withdrawn if necessary.

  60. Mark A

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2861410, posted on November 11, 2018 at 8:28 am

    The political class

    I tend to believe her.

  61. Boambee John

    Will Heinrich Ashton inquire into how the poor refugee in Melbourne could afford a large 4WD to provide mobility for his home-made bomb?

    Will Centrelink?

  62. rickw

    Incredible. The same group persecuting her in Pakistan is preventing her from receiving asylum in the UK because they, not her, may disturb civil order. Things will have to get very ugly in the UK.

    Little wonder they have been so intent on disarming their citizens.

  63. If the Government has become overbeating and dictattorial, you do have a way out:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    The Declaration of Independence.
    We can do that too, you know.

  64. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #2861418, posted on November 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

    If the Government has become overbeating and dictattorial, you do have a way out:

    The Declaration of Independence.
    We can do that too, you know.

    I don’t think you had your first cup of coffee yet Winston.
    Still dreaming.

  65. Bruce Hawker with Speers bullshitting in top gear, promoting his anti Trump tour of the US.

    “Even farmers whose crops are now in silos and can’t be sold because of the Chinese trade war.”

    Only soybeans, and the stocks are at the same level as 2007 after a bumper harvest this year.
    Corn is selling briskly and cereal grains selling as normal or slightyly better.
    Australian drought will help the US a lot.
    Speers has no knowledge or ability to counter Hawker’s pathetic propaganda.

  66. vr

    Happy (belated) Birthday, Sinclair!!!

  67. Nick

    Have the media come up with a female figure, preferably a Muslim that contributed an act of bravery, anything to deflect publicity given to trolley man?

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I can show you the test papers from Taiwan, and I thoroughly know the Australian curriculum.
    In year six they are factorising quadratics.
    And not the easy ones.

    Arky, time you started to put some of this stuff into an article or two that informs other Australians of the state of our student curricula (not just the top maths groups) and of how we are short-changing students in maths with the tyranny of low expectations. A profile in this area might also get your skills recognised and brought onto curriculum planning. Why not write something up, reasoned and well argued, on experiences of a maths teacher and lessons learned? Perhaps a comment too on improving the quality of maths teaching. Send it in to Roger Franklin at Quadrant Online. Keep it relatively short, ask him for feedback, and if it is published online you can always enlarge it (or tighten it) for possible publication in the Magazine as well if they seem interested.

    Quite a few of the Quadrant readership are politicos of various sorts or professional people who would understand some of the issues, e.g. quadratics. (Oh, how I remember the joy of first solving a quadratic equation due to good teaching in 2nd year high school aged 13 – in the A stream in those days, but left school then at just 14, totally disenchanted with the hopeless maths teacher we got in 3rd year).

    Or do what I did. Start writing a book on your topic, get hopelessly lost, and realise you need to synthesise your material to the relevant and manageable parts. Then do an article. Or simply charge ahead with your book – your topic is far more likely to have a ready audience than mine, especially if you call it something of a parents’ guide to the politics of getting the kids’ maths in shape. So many parents are concerned about this, whereas very few people spend their days worrying about King Arthur. 🙂

  69. Snoopy

    Believe all women?

    FL Election Worker Chelsey Smith Signs Sworn Legal Statement Alleging Broward County Elections Staff Were Filling in Ballots

  70. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    the large mass of “moderate” moslems in action

  71. John Constantine

    https://www.afr.com/opinion/what-you-should-know-about-bob-carr-and-china-20181105-h17jic

    Their carrfilth is twenty odd million times worse than the stabby lone wolf.

    Killing one person at a time is bad, but being the agent that sells an entire country into godless commo slavery for money is worse.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  72. Snoopy

    Arky, just finish the Model A, FFS.

  73. John Constantine

    “He has wilfully overlooked the fact that government leaders and security analysts have consistently defined the problem as one of Communist Party interference involving people like Sam Dastyari and Carr himself, who hardly count as Chinese-Australians, and he has blithely disregarded the rights of Chinese-Australians to protection from foreign government interference. His indifference to the rights and freedoms of Chinese-Australians under surveillance from China’s security agencies echoes the indifference of White Australia to their civic rights in an earlier era.”

    The Australian newspaper openly now admits that the peoples liberation army keeps a tight grasp on chinese living in australia, if they are seen as potentially profitable.

  74. Tel

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    If there ever was an opportunity for ScoMo to prove his Christian chops and act like a leader, this would be the time.

  75. John Constantine

    “Carr is just one of an expanding cohort of retired foreign officials competing for preferment in a competitive sub-field of Sinology that Hong Kong China scholar David Bandurski calls “the science of Sycophantology”. As a rule, practitioners know very little about China but enough to appreciate that public acclaim for its Communist leadership and expressions of regret over the failure of the West to “understand” China can open doors and land opportunities. They are lavishly hosted on visits, offered lucrative board positions on Chinese entities, generously supported in their academic positions and presentations, and expected at a minimum to return the favour by complimenting their hosts.

    To help them frame their compliments, party cadres present them with a standard litany of propaganda phrases – World Anti-Fascist War, for example, or Community with a Shared Future for Mankind, A Better World, Leadership for Global Governance, Belt and Road Initiative, and Great Power Relations among others – that do not carry a lot of credibility in the mouths of local officials but sound vaguely plausible when intoned by foreign dignitaries. Adherents of the discipline are expected to learn and recite them by heart.”

    Learn by heart your allocated propaganda phrases, souless drones of godless commo Tyranny.

    Even on the Cat, scum show up, feeling superior because they have their lines to recite, lines that can betray western Nazi settlement cultures to be crushed by totalitarian endless transnational Tyranny.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I thought the cops did alright in getting close to the guy and looking for an arrestbefore drawing weapons.

    The only training the forces need to deal with jihad is shoot to kill. Preferably with pig fat greased bullets.

    We don’t need jihad recruiters in jail nor costly trials.

  77. Rae

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    If there ever was an opportunity for ScoMo to prove his Christian chops and act like a leader, this would be the time.

    An offer of asylum in Perth should bolster the Coalition’s chances of retaining the West at the coming election.

  78. egg_

    just finish the Model A

    All of this grinding is just therapy?

  79. Snoopy

    If there ever was an opportunity for ScoMo to prove his Christian chops and act like a leader, this would be the time.

    He won’t. For the exact same reason that the Brits wimped out.

  80. Tintarella di Luna

    At a poignant time in our national life – today we commemorate the Fallen in the Great War. In that terrible war the flower of our youth was shredded and died on the fields of Europe to protect the ideal and value of a free democratic society, the fight was against totalitarians. They died to protect the freedoms achieved over half a millennium at the cost of so much blood and time. So that we could walk the street safely, so that we would see justice properly and fairly dispensed and so that we could enjoy our property bought and paid for by the honest sweat of our brow.

    Melbourne on Friday afternoon has proved their sacrifice was in utterly in vain. Perhaps the famous first lines of Advance Australia Fair should be changed to: Australians All Let Us Despair, For We’re no longer Free

    Against the will of the people and without their consent the political class has nested in the very heart of our communities monsters who wish, and do, harm to the innocent, hard-working people who pay their taxes, obey the law and look after their families and communities. We have been betrayed by the false flag flown by politicians just listen to them, they are rank treacherous quislings.

    Indeed Waleed Aly said that islamic terrorism was a perpetual irritant (*see quote below from April 2013) well I can tell you I am well and truly irritated.

    *[W”>e’re finally maturing in the way we handle terrorism. Gone is the triumphalist rhetoric of the ”War on Terror”, with its ridiculous promises of a terrorism-free world and the ultimate victory of freedom over tyranny. In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat. From this article in the SMH

  81. John Constantine

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-security-officials-asked-about-turnbull-s-adviser-20180529-p4zi6f.html?_ga=2.20349182.736698636.1541876806-431842458.1541876806

    It seems that their bob carr sold the right to have federal labor politicians ask questions the peoples liberation army wanted the answers to, and have them asked in senate committees so they were compelled to be answered on the public record. About australian citizens.

    “The revelation comes after Fairfax Media revealed former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr — who heads a China think-tank part founded by Mr Huang — recently urged Labor Senator Kristina Keneally to ask questions of public servants in parliament about Mr Garnaut’s work. Mr Carr denied drafting the questions.

    The inquiry into Beijing’s intelligence and interference operations, which Mr Garnaut headed for Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, produced what is known in national security circles as the Garnaut-ASIO report. Mr Garnaut’s inquiry ran from August 2016 to September 2017.

    The inquiry looked at Mr Huang’s activities and found that Beijing had for a decade sought to clandestinely interfere with Australian politics.”

    Look at the billion dollar vanity project that is their abc, and how their bully pulpit preaches about russia to attack Trump, but is shamefully and shamelessly and cravenly silent about the chicom ownership of australias quisling class politicians.

    Good test to see if a politician is owned by the chicoms– are they attacked by their abc or protected by their abc?.

    Comrade Maaaates.

  82. Helen

    I suppose cigarette smoking kills relatively few people and is a perpetual irritant. How bout we tax the terrorists more, and put them in plain packaging. That aught to fix it.

  83. John Constantine

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-security-officials-asked-about-turnbull-s-adviser-20180529-p4zi6f.html?_ga=2.20349182.736698636.1541876806-431842458.1541876806

    Some banned words in the body of the text, but it is worth looking at to see how bob carr sells to the peoples liberation army the power to have labor quislings ask questions in senate committees that must be answered by australian public service, questions and answers about australian citizens.

    This is worse than importing jihad, this is the transnational looting class dealing in the lives of australias proles like the slave dealers did for profit in the bad old days.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Thanks for the Election Week in Pictures, Tom. An excellent round-up of cartoons and the headlines at the end of the show were good too.

    It’s just me, of course, but I do like the Monty Python Holy Grail take off toon; the general comment one where the Climate Change Knight is clanking along in his blinkers on his wooden hobby horse followed by another faithful retainer clapping coconuts together.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    a perpetual irritant

    Yes, I suppose it is, to the relatives of the dead. / sarc off

  86. John Constantine

    “There are demonstrable alignments with Beijing’s position. In May 2018 it was reported that Carr had used a Labor colleague in Parliament to put questions about former Fairfax China correspondent John Garnaut to the Senate estimates committee. Garnaut had subsequently worked for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on China’s influence operations in Australia, and the point of the questions was apparently to compel public servants to place Garnaut’s actions in that role on the public record. Security officials in China had the same interests. They interrogated Chinese-Australian academic Professor Feng Chongyi about Garnaut when they detained him in March 2017.

    Earlier he fulminated about “Cold War warriors” and repudiated any suggestion of Beijing’s interference in Australian affairs. These comments echoed those coming out of Beijing. In December 2017, Chinese officials complained of “fabricated news stories” that were “filled with Cold War mentality” and “unscrupulously vilified Chinese students as well as the Chinese community in Australia with racial prejudice”.

    Working around some banned words, but when the peoples liberation army can pay to have australian politicians use senate committees to ask questions on behalf of chicom spyagencies, questions that must be answered and put on the public record, that must be a powerful tipping point?.

  87. C.L.

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    By “civil unrest,” they mean Muslims in Britain will go on another killing spree.
    Because that’s what Muslims do.

  88. Boambee John

    To help them frame their compliments, party cadres present them with a standard litany of propaganda phrases – World Anti-Fascist War, for example, or Community with a Shared Future for Mankind, A Better World, Leadership for Global Governance, Belt and Road Initiative, and Great Power Relations among others – that do not carry a lot of credibility in the mouths of local officials but sound vaguely plausible when intoned by foreign dignitaries. Adherents of the discipline are expected to learn and recite them by heart.”

    Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Spgere? PM Abe will be at them for plagiarism.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Learn by heart your allocated propaganda phrases, souless drones of godless commo Tyranny.

    Mmm. It’s playing well in cash-strapped Africa. We noticed a worrying amount of Chinese capital infrastructure being made by Chinese engineers and funded by easy-come Chinese ‘loans’ that will be called in soon enough.

    Africa being what it is, though, maybe the Chinese are wasting their money before the next kleptocrat coup. The Chinese empty-apartment fiasco shows they can also be stupid with infrastructure at home.

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #2861445, posted on November 11, 2018 at 9:41 am
    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    By “civil unrest,” they mean Muslims in Britain will go on another killing spree.
    Because that’s what Muslims do.”

    Yep…because that’s what Muslim’s do…also…because that’s what Muslim’s enjoy…killing infidels…killing us.

  91. calli

    Someone mentioned that Britian was dead in reference to Bibi. I have been reflecting on this during my trip to Galveston and back today.

    Europe committed cultural suicide a hundred years ago and in a few hours, you will be remembering the end of it. But by 11/11/18 the best was gone, battered into the mud or at the bottom of the sea. The husk that remained was invaded just like the NT house without a tenant, the vacuum being filled by every shade of totalitarianism.

    That has not stopped, just recieved a few checks along the way. What could not be accomplished by revolution, war and murder has been done by stealth. Whether it’s by Orwell’s surveillance or Huxley’s pampering, the West has fallen. Freedom has been swapped out for free stuff, independant thought for “consensus”.

    Today’s minute of silence marks the centenary of the quenching of the cultural funeral pyre. After that, it’s ashes in the wind.

  92. Insiders still lying about video being ‘doctored’ days after the claim was demonstrably contradicted. Also, Keravalis says that Trump losing half the seats that Obama did in 2010 while still gaining seats in the Senate is roughly comparable.

    The Media is the Enemy of the People.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #2861451, posted on November 11, 2018 at 9:49 am

    Europe committed cultural suicide a hundred years ago and in a few hours,”

    Excellent comment Calli….sometimes I wish that Sinc had a section for “comments of the week”. Your comment, along with Tintarella and Lizzie’s comments above would easily be my choice for “comments of the week”.

  94. calli

    Chortle

    Why does DrBeauGan (and others) come to mind? 🙂

    Thanks, Tom.

  95. Delta A

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2861436, posted on November 11, 2018 at 9:23 am

    Excellent post, Tinta.

    Thank you.

  96. Pete of Perth

    Maybe the Brits said no in public but yes in private. One less clue for the headloppers.

  97. mh

    Snoopy
    #2861425, posted on November 11, 2018 at 9:07 am
    Believe all women?
    FL Election Worker Chelsey Smith Signs Sworn Legal Statement Alleging Broward County Elections Staff Were Filling in Ballots

    Monty believes all women, doesn’t he/she?
    Monty, you can see and read Chelsey Marie Smith’s sworn affidavit here

  98. Percy Popinjay

    I enjoyed watching him getting sent to hell…..I hope it was real painful.
    I have watched it many times.

    Indeed. The first time I watched yesterday I laughed. Loudly. For a lengthy period of time.

  99. Delta A

    Maybe the Brits said no in public but yes in private.

    That was my thought, too.

    Also, we don’t know for certain that Australia has not already offered asylum. Secrecy in this matter is vital.

  100. Their self-defense training is woeful.

    Totally correct.

    He was a big guy.
    Despite what happens in the movies. One blow from a big guy, much less one with a big knife, and you are not going to get up quickly.
    The best defense against a big guy is to put a lot of distance (1 km) between you and him.
    Not an option for a cop.
    So, just shoot the fscker.

  101. I am bespoke

    A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the

    country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    How to admit and deny you have a problem. Crazy!

  102. Natural Instinct

    Anne Summers writing in Saturday’s SMH displays a whole lot of Trump Derangement Syndrome
    .

    Just over three weeks ago in New York I joined an avid and apprehensive audience
    at a symposium to look at whether America was on the brink of fascism. Yale academics Timothy Snyder, whose new book … charts the recent rise of authoritarianism in Europe, and philosopher Jason Stanley, whose book is, baldly, titled How Fascism Works, were guided through a discussion … that once would have been thought unimaginable in 21st century America.
    Yet so rapid has been the weakening, if not collapse, of so many American political institutions in the two years of Trump the question no longer seemed preposterous.

    But then let’s give her credit for putting her neck out.

    End game: Trump is cornered and he knows it
    These are the three states (Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.) that enabled Trump to win in 2016. Now, with Democrats in control of their redistricting and with 46 Electoral College votes between them, they will ensure he cannot win in 2020.

    File this prediction away.

  103. Ellen of Tasmania

    Melbourne on Friday afternoon has proved their sacrifice was utterly in vain.

    “We are fighting to make those dear old places where we had played as children, safe for other boys and girls–fighting for the preservation and safety of all sweet, wholesome things. …

    Is there laughter in your face yet, Rilla? I hope so. The world will need laughter and courage more than ever in the years that will come next. I don’t want to preach—this isn’t any time for it. But I just want to say something that may help you over the worst when you hear that I’ve gone ‘west.’ I’ve a premonition about you, Rilla, as well as about myself. I think Ken will go back to you—and that there are long years of happiness for you by-and-by. And you will tell your children of the Idea we fought and died for—teach them it must be lived for as well as died for, else the price paid for it will have been given for nought. This will be part of your work, Rilla. And if you—all you girls back in the homeland—do it, then we who don’t come back will know that you have not ‘broken faith’ with us. “I meant to write to Una tonight, too, but I won’t have time now.”

    ― L.M. Montgomery, Rilla of Ingleside

    (Rilla of Ingleside is the final book in the Anne of Green Gables series)

    I wish young girls were still reading this sort of material and learning to value ‘sweet, wholesome things’ instead of all the rubbish they are indoctrinated with nowadays. It was worth fighting for and we have failed to live for it. God have mercy on us.

  104. Muddy

    the West has fallen.

    With all due respect, Calli, and I second Cassie’s compliment, the West has only fallen because two generations have LET IT FALL. Two generations have watched, with raised eyebrows and the occasional ‘tsk tsk’ while the barbarians (of all stripes) strode through the gates held open by our fellow citizens, defiled our symbols, spat on our institutions, and held a match to the eyes of we quivering invertebrates.

    That we profess to sincerely commemorate the sacrifices of our Great War generation, yet have stood by, unwilling to take even one tenth of the same risk to continue their legacy, is a grievous insult beyond the capacity of standard language to describe.

    May their ghosts erase us from history and curse our generations for the cowardice we have shown, and continue to show.

  105. Old School Conservative

    A March 2018 article about Jordan Peterson profiles his planned on-line university.
    I like it for as much as it will do – The institution would revolve mostly around the humanities and the great books of Western civilization.
    …as what it will tear down – Peterson believes that his project could save millions from the “degeneracy” of modern universities, which are corrupted, as he says, by women’s studies and discussions of diversity.

  106. Rae

    lotocoti #2861465, posted on November 11, 2018 at 10:19 am

    She deserves to be …

    Posted on Youtube in September 2015. Probably fake.

    As I pointed out yesterday.

  107. while the barbarians (of all stripes) strode through the gates …

    Not necessarily a bad thing, if we now close the gates.
    So they can’t escape. They’re trapped.

  108. H B Bear

    “Carr is just one of an expanding cohort of retired foreign officials competing for preferment in a competitive sub-field of Sinology that Hong Kong China scholar David Bandurski calls “the science of Sycophantology”.

    Hawke was on that train as it left the station. That is how you go from former Australian PM to Mr Harborside Mansion.

    Comrade maaaates, as they say in the classics.

  109. Cassie of Sydney

    “Pete of Perth
    #2861458, posted on November 11, 2018 at 10:10 am
    Maybe the Brits said no in public but yes in private. One less clue for the headloppers.”

    I am sure that the Brits said YES in private however isn’t it time that the Brits…indeed all of us….said YES in public. Isn’t it time we stood up in public to the headloppers and their scummy enablers and apologists….funny how they have often have the same surname….Aly….must be all the inbreeding.

  110. Roger

    Isn’t it time we stood up in public to the headloppers and their scummy enablers and apologists….

    Exactly. Appeasement only encourages them, they perceive it as weakness.

  111. None

    Mark A – our police are not trained to shoot to kill; in fact it is actively discouraged. Shoot to kill has always been the Domain of the army but you don’t set the army against its own people.

  112. “He whom this scroll commemorates
    was numbered among those who,
    at the call of King and Country, left all that was dear to them
    endured hardness, faced danger, and finally passed out of the sight of men by the path of duty
    and self sacrifice, giving up their own lives that others might live in freedom.

    Let those who come after see to it
    that his name be not forgotten.”

    Lest we forget.

  113. Boambee John

    Now, with Democrats in control of their redistricting and with 46 Electoral College votes between them, they will ensure he cannot win in 2020.

    But, but, but, the lackey of the fascist left, m0nty, assured us that only Republicans gerrymander (despite the original Eldridge Gerry, for whom the practice is named, being a Demorat, just as Tammany Hall was part of the Demorats). Now we have no less than Anne Summers assuring us that Demorat governors will indulge in a bit od gerrymandering. I’m so confused!

  114. Old School Conservative

    In more encouraging news, the Wallaby captain admits his error in not taking the penalty shots at goal when they were on offer last night….and we lost.
    Perhaps future tests will see a reversal of that tactic.
    Baby steps. Probably not enough with the RWC just around the corner.

  115. P

    How the 1918 Armistice was celebrated in Australia

  116. Tel

    Europe committed cultural suicide a hundred years ago and in a few hours, you will be remembering the end of it. But by 11/11/18 the best was gone, battered into the mud or at the bottom of the sea.

    What about this though?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years%27_War

    The first truly global conflict; naval powers played a significant role; colonies all around the world were roped in to take sides; major tech-shift in military tactics with a new emphasis on artillery.

    The French encouraged Indian uprisings in America which might have been a turning point for relationships between settlers and natives. Although the French lost the Seven Years War, it left the American colonies somewhat begrudging of the cost, the British were unsympathetic toward the American colonists eventually leading to the American Revolution. Meanwhile the French King Louis XVI decided to help the revolutionary Americans as a way to undermine Britain, sending much needed ammunition supplies by stealth, catching the British by surprise. France was the first to recognize the new American nation and make a formal alliance in 1778, also supplying troops to support the revolution.

    However, the loss during the Seven Years War and the following support for the American Revolution also left the French government deeply in debt. The new American nation did not feel inclined to repay the French monarchy but instead when the French revolted, most of the Americans supported the French Revolution. They saw themselves as aligned with the people of France and not the government of France.

    In a cascading effect, it was the French Revolution that led to the rise of Napoleon, and further shifts in military tactics. Napoleon led a huge army of conscripts backed by massive artillery which conquered and occupied large parts of Germany, and this was the thing that unified the many German states which had previously been largely independent. After the Germans were defeated this way, they saw their only option as uniting under a great German emperor, and adopting the Prussian military ideology (i.e. military nationalist socialism, or prototype fascism). This in turn set the scene for the rise of the Kaisers and the late coming German empire.

  117. rickw

    Have the media come up with a female figure, preferably a Muslim that contributed an act of bravery, anything to deflect publicity given to trolley man?

    If they haven’t found one by this stage, it will be Mr Jihadi’s wife as an innocent co victim in this.

  118. Muddy

    Imagine trying to play chess with someone who insists on using Monopoly rules: “If your rook lands on [insert chess language here], you owe me $400 in rent.”

    It simply isn’t possible to play chess when the other participant does not desire the same outcome, or even speak the same language.

    Similarly, one cannot have a rational conversation with a person who is experiencing an altered state of consciousness. One cannot plan for a win-win outcome with an opponent who wants a win-lose outcome. Achieving a goal of peaceful co-existence is impossible when your opponent states outright, loudly and clearly, that he/she/it desires you to cease existing.

    My point is that we can have an infinite number of conversations, in various formats, at every location imaginable, and cede everything that has value to us short of our life, but in the end, when the other stakeholder wants the only thing remaining, our life, all of our efforts in good faith will have come to nothing.

    Identify your enemy. Analyse. Strategise. Implement.
    We are far past the point where de-escalation (appeasement, give-and-take, rational debate, etc) is an option.
    Our opponent is in an altered state of consciousness where they are neither willing nor able to even hear us, let alone listen to us.
    They have enablers that prop them up.
    The options have narrowed.
    Choose. Our only choice is to CHOOSE.
    Apathy emasculates?
    Apathy kills.

  119. max

    Politicians and cops the world over have no idea what to do about Islam. If they go in hard civil conflict will be the result. The only thing to do is what Spain did to the Moors in 1492 but that took 700 years to achieve.

  120. Roger

    Shoot to kill has always been the Domain of the army but you don’t set the army against its own people.

    Police have guidelines for the use of lethal force, which they are trained in, although probably not enough.

    The issue here is not setting police against the general public, but police being authorised to use lethal force against a threat to the public if they assess it is justified.

    The aspect of that authority that needs to be revised and addressed in police training, in light of changed circumstances, is the assessment phase. A jihadi in a city street armed with a knife is not the equivalent of a domestic dispute where an obstreperous and recalcitrant person can be brought under control with capsicum spray.

    In short, you don’t take a baton or even a taser to a knife fight with a jihadi intent on beheading you or a member of the public.

  121. calli

    I hadn’t thought to go back that far, Tel. Of course, today’s conflict is a product of yesterday’s, narrowing backwards into the past.

    My thoughts simply revolved around the loss of attitudes and ideas that were considered completely natural and normal and healthy, particularly the idea of moral absolutes.

    It’s good to have our viewpoints questioned and debated. Far better than whingeing about the latest in squirrels.

  122. BrettW

    According to the Daily Mail a Qld female cop has shot dead a male prisoner who had faked sickness to be taken to Ipswich Hospital. He attacked her and she had to shoot him.

    Not enough details in the article but no mention of any partner with her. When you are implementing a 50% female force one of the consequences is not enough males to escort / guard male prisoners. If you were the shift commander and had a choice surely you would pick a male officer.

    The circumstances of her open fire are going to be very interesting.

  123. Posted on Youtube in September 2015. Probably fake.

    Any evidence that it is? The video is consistent with the rhetoric of Planned Parenthood, et al.

  124. Myrddin Seren

    Maybe the Brits said no in public but yes in private. One less clue for the headloppers.”

    I am sure that the Brits said YES in private….

    Personally – I doubt it.

    The Weird Beards going postal in the streets with mass protests and brushing the cops aside is doubtless the ostensible concern.

    Asia Bibi and her family have to be ID scrubbed and carefully trained and placed in new identities, in a safe location and with close security for the foreseeable future.

    The British government – the REAL government, the civil service and government agencies – increasingly seems to be a weird marriage of Islamism and Socialism.

    I suspect that the biggest real concern in Cabinet is not having the humiliation of the Bibi family secret location leaked by Islamists or Marxists in the government. Or worse – ‘Meet your new protection detail: Agent Khan, Agent Ali and Agent Hussein’ Bang, bang, bang.

    Ask the girls of Rotherham how well an Islamised police service protected them ?

    Formerly-Great Britain is toast.

  125. Cassie of Sydney

    “max
    #2861488, posted on November 11, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Politicians and cops the world over have no idea what to do about Islam. If they go in hard civil conflict will be the result. The only thing to do is what Spain did to the Moors in 1492 but that took 700 years to achieve.

    Politicians and cops in Israel know exactly what to do about Islam.

  126. Muddy

    max

    #2861488, posted on November 11, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Politicians and cops the world over have no idea what to do about Islam. If they go in hard civil conflict will be the result. The only thing to do is what Spain did to the Moors in 1492 but that took 700 years to achieve.

    Properly and intelligently harnessed, the bubbling subsurface rage of The Quiet Ones contains more than enough power to overwhelm the vacillating, self-nominated guardians of Gulagtopia. They will bend whichever way the wind blows. Nature has a fury that will cut a swathe through anything. We, The Quiet Ones, have that same potential. Are we too afraid to use it?

  127. Cassie of Sydney

    “Harken Now
    #2861500, posted on November 11, 2018 at 11:01 am”

    FUCK OFF AND CRAWL BACK INTO THE HOLE YOU CAME OUT OF.

  128. C.L.

    Muslim apologist, “professor” and “counter-terrorism expert” (LOL), Anne Aly, unleashes the domestic violence distraction squirrel this morning to provide cover for terrorists.

  129. Muddy

    Time to get back to my knitting.

    Have an amazing day everyone.

  130. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #2861504, posted on November 11, 2018 at 11:08 am
    Muslim apologist, “professor” and “counter-terrorism expert” (LOL), Anne Aly, unleashes the domestic violence distraction squirrel this morning to provide cover for terrorists.”

    She knows a lot about Islam and domestic violence…her religion prescribes it.

  131. calli

    Thanks, Balders.

    I just listened to Sassoon’s “Aftermath” read by Jeremy Irons. Those grainy pieces of film still have power.

  132. Tom

    I think you’re in the right district, Calli at 11.11am: it has that unmistakeable look-at-me smugarsery.

  133. Myrddin Seren

    Posted on Youtube in September 2015. Probably fake.

    Any evidence that it is? The video is consistent with the rhetoric of Planned Parenthood, et al.

    Discussed here.

    Jerry [email protected]

    I was convinced this was fake — I mean, noone would make a pro-abortion video this openly infanticidal, right? — but it’s real. It’s a vid entitled “The Chosen” from @AgendaProject

    If you’re skeptical of the video’s veracity (I was too!) you can watch it on @AgendaProject’s YouTube page.

    Links there to Agenda Project’s Twitter feed and Youtube channel – which also links to their website.

    Someone comments – founded by Erica Payne.

    Her Wiki is here.

    So – #FakeNews or a genuine progressive outreach campaign ?

    We report – you decide…..

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Muslim apologist, “professor” and “counter-terrorism expert” (LOL), Anne Aly, unleashes the domestic violence distraction squirrel this morning to provide cover for terrorists.

    I hope those who voted for her have the grace to burn with shame.

  135. Roger

    Voters have already rejected one model for a republic, why is this necessary?

    You can’t have a banana republic without the republic bit.

  136. Steve trickler

    Not acceptable.

    This took too long to remedy. An air traffic controller had a stroke at Vegas. The pilots picked it up quick smart…..what the fuck were her colleagues doing? Ultimately, they reacted.



  137. Myrddin Seren

    Old Skool Marxist Brendan O’Neill:

    “The left used to be universalist; now it’s identitarian. It used to be liberal; now it’s censorious. It used to like democracy; now it prefers technocracy. I actually didn’t leave the left — the left left me.”

    A guy like George Orwell would probably be thrown off university campuses these days and have his front door kicked in by a Rage Mob.

  138. Boambee John

    calli
    #2861507, posted on November 11, 2018 at 11:11 am
    Testpattern?

    Correct tag should be Barken’ Mad, not Harken Now.

  139. twostix

    Politicians and cops the world over have no idea what to do about Islam.

    Is this a joke?

    Western politicians have no intention of “doing” anything about Islam. What they intend to “do” – and have been doing something about – since Tony Blair first sent scouts into the hills of Pakistan to spread the word that the UK was waiting to parachute their youngest and finest into the working class midlands in 1998 – is the white christian electorates who they hate. By importing a million muslims into each.

  140. Top Ender

    The Oz allowed my comment under their article about the PM’s comment:

    Do you think then, Mr PM, that women might be allowed to carry pepper spray?

    What form of personal protection are we allowed?

    Bet if you were asked that you’d say the police will protect us.

    They can’t be everywhere though.

  141. JC

    Buster Hyde USMC/Ret
    ‏ @BusterUSMC
    7h7 hours ago

    9/11 hijackers (Broward County)
    Nikolas Cruz (Broward County)
    Cesar Sayoc (Broward County)
    Scott Israel (Broward County)
    David Hogg (Broward County)
    Debbie Wasserman Shultz (Broward County)
    Election Fraud (Broward County)

    💩What the hell is in the water down in Broward County?

  142. Myrddin Seren

    Also from Brendan O’Neill:

    The abandonment of Asia Bibi

    Why Western progressives are not fighting for this persecuted Pakistani woman.

    For me – the key section:

    The Charlie Hebdo barbarism was the extrajudicial enforcement of a now mainstream prejudice in Europe – that it is wicked to ‘punch down’ at the Islamic faith.

    This is why Western progressives cannot give full-throated support to Asia Bibi – because, at root, they agree that what she did was wrong.

    Their embrace of the victimology of identity politics, where they obsessively task themselves with the protection of certain groups from offence or slight, means they have abandoned freedom of speech in favour of maintaining the ‘multicultural’ order.

    Blasphemers – or ‘hate speakers’, as they duplicitously call them – must be punished in order to ensure the smooth management of identitarian relations, just as blasphemers in Pakistan must be punished in order to preserve the religious order.

    Both sides are motored by a deeply illiberal, punishing and identitarian instinct.

    The strange coalition between the secular Left and the Islamists explained succinctly.

  143. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mr Daley said he made the decision that there was “only one version of the truth” after reading Ms Raper’s statement on her alleged assault.

    “I thought, without being prejudice to Luke, because I have been hard on him, I felt that was a continuation of the attack on Ashleigh,” he said.

    “There was only one version of the truth and I thought the most useful and best demonstration of the leadership position I held at the time was to come out and tell the truth and call it and stop this and I said, very simply ‘believe Ashleigh’.”

    Question to Michael Daley…do you believe in the case of Bill Shorten’s accuser that there is “only one version of the truth?”

    Question to Michael Daley…do you say, very simply, I “believe Bill Shorten’s accuser?”

  144. notafan

    The French police would have put twenty bullets in and their mainstream media would have applauded.

    The muslim terror apologists pulled the same stunt over the stab terrorist at endeavour hills.

    Wah wah why didn’t they shoot him in the leg.

    Such utter nonsense in the face of someone doing their best to murder you.

    Also people with leg wounds can still kill yiu, you dummies.

    Any attack by muslim terrorists which they lose automatically makes them victims.

  145. Boambee John

    “The left used to be universalist; now it’s identitarian

    The fascist left now divides by race, ethnicity, sex, age, religion and every possible minor difference it can think up.

    The fascist left demonstrates by its words and actions that it is racist, sexist, ageist, religiophobic (except for one religion). If the HRC had any integrity, it would be dragging individual leftists before its Star Chamber.

  146. I am bespoke

    What the Harken is it on about?

  147. I wonder how long our bourke st slasher would have lasted if he had tried the same thing in downtown Houston, Texas?

  148. Snoopy

    Sundance at CTH:

    For several decades Wall Street, through lobbying arms such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (Tom Donohue), has structurally opposed Main Street economic policy in order to inflate profits and hold power – “The Big Club”. This manipulative intent is really the epicenter of the corruption within the DC swamp.

    Thoughts anyone? It’s a bit lengthy.

  149. twostix

    A guy like George Orwell would probably be thrown off university campuses these days and have his front door kicked in by a Rage Mob.

    ?

    The bourgeois left wing hated Orwell back in his day, he wrote about it all the time.

    In fact to this very day, the same guardianista left wing are still ‘arguing’ with him like it’s 1930:
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/06/george-orwell-homage-to-catalonia-account-spanish-civil-war-wrong

  150. twostix

    9/11 hijackers (Broward County)
    Nikolas Cruz (Broward County)
    Cesar Sayoc (Broward County)
    Scott Israel (Broward County)
    David Hogg (Broward County)
    Debbie Wasserman Shultz (Broward County)
    Election Fraud (Broward County)

    💩What the hell is in the water down in Broward County?

    lol there’s 3000 counties in America.

    This one is just coincidentally the epicentre of democrat extra curricular politics.

  151. Lest we Forget (how cultists will excuse anything)

    Yammi is that you?

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Daniel Andrews pledges weekly Last Post Ceremony at Shrine of remembrance
    Tom Minear, Sunday Herald Sun
    November 10, 2018 6:37pm
    Subscriber only

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    On Remembrance Day, a century since the end of World War I, Premier Daniel ­Andrews will on Sunday announce plans for a weekly Last Post Ceremony at Melbourne’s Shrine, acknowledging the men and women on the Roll of Honour.

    It would mirror a daily ceremony held at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra that ­allows veterans, their families, school students and the public to pay their respects to Diggers.

    “Our veterans have always been there for us and we’ll ­always be there for them,” Mr Andrews told the Sunday Herald Sun.

    “Cheap” and “tacky” are two words I’d use.

  153. Myrddin Seren

    Thoughts anyone? It’s a bit lengthy.

    I have seen a bit of this discussion at CTH before.

    I think the shorter version is – ask yourself why people who have spent their whole lives in politics on relatively modest remuneration are living millionaire lives ? Qui Bono from open borders and other policies ?

    In Australia it mostly seems a coffee mug, some petty cash and a pat on the head will buy the average Australian politician.

  154. Cassie of Sydney

    “I must fly to the physio”

    We all know that “fly to the physio” is code for “fly to the psycho”. Off you go now.

  155. I wonder how long our bourke st slasher would have lasted if he had tried the same thing in downtown Houston, Texas?

    The hashtag would be #girlwithaglock rather than #trolleyman

  156. calli

    King Street Newtown.

    I recognise the style.

    Hi, Jobson! How’s the Grothe?

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hi, Jobson! How’s the Grothe?

    Well spotted, calli.

  158. calli

    Someone mentioned downtown Houston. I have seen very few police here. The highest concentration is at the Convention Centre which is a very soft target this weekend.

    They are dubbed “the Quilt Police”, but I wouldn’t want to run foul of them. Might get unpicked and the stuffing falls out.

  159. Baldrick

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    Using the deaths of 60,000 Diggers to score a political point is disgusting, but using it only ‘if Labor is re-elected’ is abhorrent.

  160. I agree with Harken.

    There isn’t a shadow of doubt that Trump has so little regard for the US dead of WWI that he kept away for want of an umbrella. It’s all becoming crystal clear. Just like crack.

  161. lotocoti

    Noice.
    The sounds of freedom: a flight of three big radials beating up 26.11s

  162. Rae

    What the hell is in the water down in Broward County?

    Alligators.

  163. A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    Keep an eye on that ceremony – lest it slowly morph into commemoration of the heroes of union blockades and the victims of the stolen generation.

  164. Rae

    Daniel Andrews pledges weekly Last Post Ceremony at Shrine of remembrance
    Tom Minear, Sunday Herald Sun
    November 10, 2018 6:37pm
    Subscriber only

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    On Remembrance Day, a century since the end of World War I, Premier Daniel ­Andrews will on Sunday announce plans for a weekly Last Post Ceremony at Melbourne’s Shrine, acknowledging the men and women on the Roll of Honour.

    It would mirror a daily ceremony held at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra that ­allows veterans, their families, school students and the public to pay their respects to Diggers.

    “Our veterans have always been there for us and we’ll ­always be there for them,” Mr Andrews told the Sunday Herald Sun.

    “Cheap” and “tacky” are two words I’d use.

    Yah. Almost as bad as priority boarding.

  165. According to the Daily Mail a Qld female cop has shot dead a male prisoner who had faked sickness to be taken to Ipswich Hospital. He attacked her and she had to shoot him.

    Armed with only a fake illness, he started a gunfight.
    Case Closed.

  166. Roger

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    Will heroes in Victoria’s war against Islam included?

    Civilians are legitimate targets for jihadis, after all.

  167. A Pakistani Christian woman’s appeal to Britain for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country may stir civil unrest, HuffPost UK has been told.

    If there ever was an opportunity for ScoMo to prove his Christian chops and act like a leader, this would be the time.

    She’s a Roman Catholic, while Slomo is Pentecostal or something.
    But that isn’t the reason he won’t offer her asylum.

    By the way, is anyone unaware that her crime was to be the only Christian in a team of fruitpickers on a hot day, and she drank from a tin cup designated for Muslim use only?

    For that Pakistan went berserk for 8 years, including assassinating Two provincial Governors who said “Crikey, this is a bit of a storm in a teacup isn’t it?”

  168. A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    Will heroes in Victoria’s war against Islam included?

    Not immediately, but give it a few months.

  169. Gab

    She’s a Roman Catholic,

    For all his “interfaith dialogue” happy-clappiness, I’ve never heard Pope Francis once mention Asia Bibi, let alone ask for prayers for her.

  170. John Constantine

    “The covert ASIO raid of Yan and Uren’s Canberra property in October 2015 was timed to coincide with events across the Pacific. In New York, Yan and several other Chinese business people were being arrested by the FBI for allegedly running a bribery racket in the United Nations.

    According to US District Attorney Preet Bharara, Yan and her co-accused had paid kickbacks to the president of the United Nations general assembly, John Ashe, and in return, Ashe performed certain services for wealthy Chinese businessmen.

    “For Rolex watches, bespoke suits and a private basketball court, John Ashe, the 68th President of the UN General assembly, sold himself and the global institution he led,” Bharara told journalists at a briefing announcing the arrests.

    ASIO suspected, though, that Yan’s activities extended well beyond bribery. Classified material shared between FBI counter-espionage officials and ASIO prior to the Canberra raid suggested that Yan may have been working with Chinese intelligence.”

  171. Ivan Denisovich

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    Lest we forget:

    Hal Colebatch’s new book, Australia’s Secret War, tells the shocking, true, but until now largely suppressed and hidden story of the war waged from 1939 to 1945 by a number of key Australian trade unions against their own society and against the men and women of their own country’s fighting forces at the time of its gravest peril. His conclusions are based on a broad range of sources, from letters and first-person interviews between the author and ex-servicemen to official and unofficial documents from the archives of World War II.

    Between 1939 and 1945 virtually every major Australian warship, including at different times its entire force of cruisers, was targeted by strikes, go-slows and sabo­tage. Australian soldiers operating in New Guinea and the Pacific Islands went without food, radio equipment and munitions, and Aus­tralian warships sailed to and from combat zones without ammunition, because of strikes at home. Planned rescue missions for Australian prisoners-of-war in Borneo were abandoned because wharf strikes left rescuers without heavy weapons. Officers had to restrain Australian and American troops from killing striking trade unionists.

    https://quadrant.org.au/shop/books/australias-secret-war-unions-sabotaged-troops-world-war-ii/

  172. John Constantine

    “Dr Chau is not directly named in court documents unsealed by US officials in the Sheri Yan UN bribery case but he is referred to by a pseudonym, “CC3”. The FBI alleged that CC3 was an “old friend” of Yan whose firm had wired $200,000 to UN chief John Ashe to make the payment organised by Yan. There is no suggestion or evidence that Chau knew it was illegal to pay a speaking fee to a UN official.”

    Speaking fees. Massive dollar per minute speeches, book fees, consultancy, facilitation, conference services.

    We all know what this corruption really is, legal bribery.

    Comrade Maaaaaaates.

  173. John Constantine

    Australia, poor bastard suckers we are, remain unswerving in our compliance with all signed united nations conventions drawn up by people in the pay of the Tyrant of all the chicoms.

    Pay a few bribes to transnational officials, and australia signs up to dynamite our own power stations and replace them with billions of dollars worth of peoples liberation army slave labour solar panels.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  174. John Constantine

    “While Yan is still in prison, Chau has faced no criminal charges. He has taken legal action against Australian media outlets for any suggestion he is involved in impropriety and his representatives have assured his Australian political contacts that Chau has no connection to the wrongdoing of others targeted by the FBI.

    Chau declined to answer questions put by Fairfax Media and Four Corners, and he appears to have shrugged off the matter. Two weeks after CC3 was identified in FBI documents, former prime minister Kevin Rudd attended Dr Chau’s Guangdong conference centre to speak at a global leadership event, pocketing a presumably hefty speaker’s fee.

    Uren is also confident that Chau does not have any connections of concern to the Chinese Communist Party.

    ASIO, though, appears not to share his conviction.”

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hal Colebatch’s new book, Australia’s Secret War, tells the shocking, true, but until now largely suppressed and hidden story of the war waged from 1939 to 1945

    My grandfather’s brother sailed from Fremantle, with 2/32nd Batallion, for North Africa. Fremantle wharfies offered to post what may have been “last letters” home, in exchange for “something towards a beer.”

    None of those letters were ever posted.

    Returning, to Australia, the wharfies refused to allow the soldiers to carry their own personal gear ashore.

    “Nothing moves on these wharves, unless it’s moved by union labor.”

    Every man in his company, at least, had his kitbag slashed open, and anything worth stealing, stolen.

    Scum.

  176. min

    Marcus Aurelius said in my 25 years ( in top job) there has only been 4 years of peace. What has changed in 2000 years?

  177. Zatara

    Not enough details in the article but no mention of any partner with her. When you are implementing a 50% female force one of the consequences is not enough males to escort / guard male prisoners. If you were the shift commander and had a choice surely you would pick a male officer.

    That couldn’t be more wrong for so many reasons.

    They claim they can do anything a man can do.
    They are paid the same as a man to do the job.
    If the unit has to schedule around females then the females are dragging the unit down.
    Make them do the job, all of it.
    Or call a spade a spade and get rid of them.

    This is the same sort of BS thinking that is emasculating the ADF and will eventually cost many lives in combat.

  178. John Constantine

    “In Beijing, the Chinese Communist Party viewed this as an unwelcome challenge. In Sydney, Huang decided to act.

    He called ALP fundraising officials in Victoria. Conroy’s comments meant he could no longer deliver the promised $400,000 in donations. The ALP pushed for Huang to honour his commitment, but he stood firm. Conroy had crossed the line and his comments would cost the ALP dearly.

    Still, Huang wasn’t prepared to give up on Labor entirely. Just a day after Conroy launched his South China Sea salvo, Dastyari and Huang spoke at adjacent lecterns at a press conference attended by the Chinese-language media.

    “The South China Sea is China’s own affair,” Dastyari stated. “On this issue, Australia should remain neutral and respect China’s decision”.

    There is no suggestion Dastyari knew directly of the threat to the $400,000 donation.

    Dastyari’s comments on the South China Sea cost him his frontbench job amid a storm of publicity after the election over why he had allowed Huang to pay for the $5000 legal bill in 2014, and a second Chinese donor to contribute to pay a $1670 office travel expense.

    Dastyari said in answer to questions that he had broken contact with Mr Huang after “the events of last year”.

    Huang’s use of a $400,000 donation as leverage over the ALP’s foreign policy has remained hidden until now. It came about a year after ASIO had first put the political parties on notice about Huang’s likely connections back in China.

    “It’s precisely the kind of example of economic inducement being turned into economic leverage or coercion,” says the ANU National Security College’s Rory Medcalf. “It’s a classic example of a benefit being provided but then withheld as a way of punishment, and as a way of influencing Australia policy independence.”

    A few a days after Huang said he would withdraw his offer of the $400,000 donation, Huang appeared at a Labor press conference to announce two Chinese candidates for the last two spots on the ALP’s senate ticket.

    One of the men was Dastyari’s office staffer Paul Han, whom Huang has also appointed to a Chinese community organisation, and who is believed to have been a conduit for some of Huang’s lobbying of Dastyari’s office over his stalled citizenship application.”

    Of course, now that large and direct donations to political parties are being looked at, we see the rise of dodgy single issue activist organisations. Plausible deniability, that money donated for single issue causes that by chance directly favour a political party are not donations directly to that party.

    Exactly why shorten set up get-up.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  179. What’s this I’m hearing about Trump blowing off a WW1 remembrance because of light rain? Talk about low energy. He is an international joke.

  180. John Constantine

    Where is the money coming from to fund the activists fighting to shut down intensive animal agriculture in australia?.

    Once Australian pig farms shut down, we can just import our pork, same for ducks and chicken.

    Comrades.

  181. rickw

    Every man in his company, at least, had his kitbag slashed open, and anything worth stealing, stolen.

    No use fighting for freedom overseas and not continuing the job back home. They should have shot the lot of them.

  182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bourke Street’s ‘trolley man’ tried to stop terrorist

    A brave bystander who tried to stop a terrorist with a shopping trolley has been tracked down in Melbourne.

    Named as Michael Rogers, 46, he was widely praised after being filmed trying to ram the trolley into Hassan Khalif Shire Ali as he chased and tried to stab police with a knife in Bourke Street on Friday.

    Dubbed “trolley man”, the hard-on-his-luck good Samaritan told Seven News he’d been trying to knock Shire Ali off his feet as the chaos unfolded.

    “I’ve seen the trolley to the side and I picked it up and I ran and threw the trolley straight at him and got him but didn’t get him down,” he said.

    “And I did that motion quite a number of times and it just was not getting him down.”

    The Sunday Herald Sun tracked Mr Rogers down to a park bench not far from the scene on Friday. He reportedly had his phone, one of his few possessions, smashed in the incident.

    In the hours following the media’s identification of the good Samaritan, a GoFundMe page was set up by the Melbourne Homeless Collective to reward Mr Rogers’ selfless efforts and “help him out”.

    “‘Trolleyman’ put his own life at risk to stop a terrorist who was on a rampage,” the campaign’s organiser wrote.

    “He’s a hero in our eyes and he can do what he feels best with any funds he receives. He risked his own life that day for nothing in return and you can’t put a price on that.”

    By Sunday lunchtime, more than $20,000 had been raised for Mr Rogers, well past the orgainsers’ $15,000 target.

  183. H B Bear

    mUnty are you going to give Anne Aly a replacement squirrel for that low energy on she released yesterday?

  184. What’s this I’m hearing about Trump blowing off a WW1 remembrance because of light rain? Talk about low energy. He is an international joke.

    Light rain and low cloud Monty.
    I don’t know much about aviation but I know low cloud is a big problem when landing.
    More evidence of the absurd smear campaign carried on by MSM. Not learning are we?

  185. Oh come on

    Did the two armed cops allow themselves to be chased around a tree by the knife-wielding jihadi, before ‘taking a position’ (ie. running away and hiding behind something), or did they not?

  186. Snoopy

    Monty, will the Acosta precedent reduce what constitutes violence against women? Will we see a fall in DV stats as a result?

  187. Oh come on

    What’s this I’m hearing about Trump blowing off a WW1 remembrance because of light rain

    The lame lefty talking points memo just hit m0nty’s inbox. You’re such an NPC, m0nts.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark forgets that Macron instructed the armed forces of the EU to oppose the US a few days before the ceremony. To attend the ceremony after being insulted so disgustingly would be diplomatically unthinkable. Therefore Trump did not attend.

    Macron has poll numbers so low that slugs are sorry for him.

    Trump attacks Macron’s call for EU army to defend against US as ‘very insulting’ (9 Nov)

    As to Trump not serving I notice that neither Barack Obama nor Bill Clinton served, yet no one seems to complain that they didn’t. Trump is serving now in a war just as consequential as any hitherto.

  189. André M.

    Civilians are legitimate targets for jihadis, after all.

    Yes, because as Cats have unanimously agreed yesterday, to destroy an insidious enemy you have to go after the supporters and enablers. The Islamists just invented this tactic many years before you did.
    Currently we are wrestling with how much “due process” is still due and how much “fight fire with fire” is due, as the present balance occasionally seems insufficient in either intimidatory (ante facto) or punishment (post facto) phases. Seems even right wing cats who live in Melbourne will suddenly reach for the Death-Squads button whenever their espresso supply is interfered with.

    Shooting Islamic terrorists on the spot is not the best policy. If we’re going to kill people rather than burden the public with the additional cost of imprisonment and rehab, we should rehash the whole debate over reinstating capital punishment generally. Having cops kill people willy-nilly is barely more excusable than the general public killing people willy-nilly. It’s not that life is sacred (both war and abortion are the best options under some circumstances), it’s just that there has to be some consistent rule and application process to decide who is killed.

    Moreover, the known utility to the enemy of elevating Mo to martyr status also has to work against lethal response as a policy for this type of enemy. This type of enemy sees prison as a fate worse than death, so why not give them what they don’t want?

    Simultaneously (call me a hand-wringer if you want), I admit it is too easy to sit in an armchair and second guess the actions of people in the heat of the moment in the front line. I think the only question that has to be asked of the cop is whether he intended to kill Mo or not, since that’s less about policy and is just a question of execution skill (pun not intended). I do not think in this specific case that the triggerman should be reprimanded in any way, as he acted to protect both his colleagues and the public from a dangerous threat which we have reasonably interpreted as terrorism. The police were carrying out a phased escalation approach and The Mo of The Moment was given every opportunity to go quietly, but all these standard process niceties were wasted on someone who showed up with burning gas bottles in a premeditated attack.

  190. Light rain and low cloud Monty.
    I don’t know much about aviation but I know low cloud is a big problem when landing.
    More evidence of the absurd smear campaign carried on by MSM. Not learning are we?

    Every other leader in the country managed to be there. It was 50 miles from where he was staying, he could have gone by car. Trudeau is there and making a speech in the rain, making Trump look like a scaredy cat.

  191. Trump is serving now in a war just as consequential as any hitherto.

    Oh dear, Bruce. As a man said in another “war”: never go full etc etc.

  192. Rae

    Did the two armed cops allow themselves to be chased around a tree by the knife-wielding jihadi, before ‘taking a position’ (ie. running away and hiding behind something), or did they not?

    No, they did not. They chased him, then engaged with him in hand to hand combat. They are heroes.

  193. Confused Old Misfit

    Monty & Harken Now deserve each other.

  194. Confused Old Misfit

    Trudeau is there and making a speech in the rain

    Probably why Trump cancelled. Listening to Justine is cruel & unusual punishment.
    Trump, unlike Justine & Monty, marches to the beat of his own drum; not that of the progressive NPC sheep.

  195. calli

    I suspect there is another reason. A rather unpleasant one.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty, the prognosticators on both Left and Right have been writing about the new civil war increasingly since the 2016 Presidential election.

    The righties didn’t start it, and don’t want it, they just want civility and the rule of law. But as the commemoration at 11am today shows it only takes one side to start a war. Ask Tucker Carlson’s wife and kids what it’s like being on the receiving end.

  197. Trump, unlike Justine & Monty, marches to the beat of his own drum; not that of the progressive NPC sheep.

    You mean he likes to sit in a room watching Fox News all day.

  198. Confused Old Misfit

    I suspect there is another reason. A rather unpleasant one.

    Wouldn’t have anything to do with “the religion of peace” would it?

  199. M0nty, the prognosticators on both Left and Right have been writing about the new civil war increasingly since the 2016 Presidential election.

    Bruce, that is not an actual war. Don’t be stupid.

    If it was, everyone in the Trump family would suddenly develop bone spurs.

  200. Frank

    A SPECIAL ceremony would be held at the Shrine of Remembrance every week to commemorate Victoria’s war heroes if Labor is re-elected.

    It will also include commiserations for those that died from heroin overdoses if it is a Victorian affair.

  201. Oh come on

    I doubt Trump didn’t attend due to the rain. It isn’t a good look in any event. Trump ought to have been there.

  202. candy

    The security detail would have made the decision for president that can’t attend. I suspect like Calli says another reason and very unpleasant too.

  203. Confused Old Misfit

    Monty, Trump does not WATCH news. Trump MAKES news.
    Pull that void that occupies the space between your ears out from between those two great globular gluteus maxima with which you appear to be equipped.

  204. P

    Probably security issues.

    Also his tweet of 9 Nov 18 and Macron’s intention a day or so ago re Petain:
    As France prepared to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I on Nov. 11, Macron suggested that the ceremonies should honor Pétain

  205. If Trump didn’t attend due to security issues, why wouldn’t he say so?

    You are making up excuses for him. He was just sulking.

  206. calli

    Not making up anything, m0nty. The same thought would cross my mind whoever was President, even the odious Hillary.

    We live in a despicable world.

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    This is a nice development in academia – I wonder how long he will last as provost:

    A top executive at the University of Sydney has accused academic opponents of Ramsay Centre funding of “conspiracy theory” thinking and basing their complaints on “logical absurdity”.

    Yes. He was a good appointment. About time some of the better ones spoke sense.
    They’ve had to stay silent for too long. Perhaps they are also starting to sniff the wind.
    Let us hope that he is in line as next VC.

  208. Oh come on

    Will this hurt Trump domestically? No. The leftist NPCs will complain like they always do – Trump will be damned whatever he does (see m0nty) – but the fact is that WWI is not nearly as significant a historical event for Americans as it is for the nations of Europe and the former dominions of the British empire.

    I expect Trump is cocking a snook at Macron for his silly and insulting demands for a European army. I think there would have been better ways for an American President to do this, however.

  209. Will this hurt Trump domestically? No.

    I wonder how his approval is going among the military.

  210. calli

    I’m in Dallas tomorrow. I guess creatures taking potshots at Presidents is on my mind.

  211. I was convinced this was fake — I mean, noone would make a pro-abortion video this openly infanticidal, right? — but it’s real. It’s a vid entitled “The Chosen” from @AgendaProject

    If you’re skeptical of the video’s veracity (I was too!) you can watch it on @AgendaProject’s YouTube page.

    As I thought. Nothing in the ad was inconsistent with the sentiments of PP or other abortion fanatics. In other words, no reason at all to think it was fake.

  212. Oh come on

    I wonder how his approval is going among the military.

    You don’t really know much, do ya, m0nts? NPC.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    For all his “interfaith dialogue” happy-clappiness, I’ve never heard Pope Francis once mention Asia Bibi, let alone ask for prayers for her.

    Yes. Very telling indeed, Gab.

    If she is free now, perhaps she has the prayers of real Christians to thank.

  214. Tel

    Yes, because as Cats have unanimously agreed yesterday, to destroy an insidious enemy you have to go after the supporters and enablers. The Islamists just invented this tactic many years before you did.

    The British Empire used to see this as standard, as did all empires. The Democrats do it all the time sending goon squads around to people’s houses for intimidation purposes.

    Currently we are wrestling with how much “due process” is still due and how much “fight fire with fire” is due, as the present balance occasionally seems insufficient in either intimidatory (ante facto) or punishment (post facto) phases.

    Load of garbage. As I’ve pointed out many, many times we have a perfectly good due process that is not being applied. Man Monis had a long history of erratic behaviour, was up on a bunch of serious charges, and then got let out.

    Let this tumble around in you head for a little while. The Australian government is busy declaring the War on Mathematics telling people not to encrypt their data, and they have access to every SMS, every phonecall, all Internet traffic, yet strangely enough Man Monis was able to procure a fully operational pump action shotgun, with ammo, while he was being carefully watched out on bail. Go figure that one out, then come back and talk about balance n all that. Oh yeah, and after the fact, no one anywhere is responsible, and we can’t even figure out where the magic pumpy came from, despite that being a weapon completely banned from all hands other than the police.

    Seems even right wing cats who live in Melbourne will suddenly reach for the Death-Squads button whenever their espresso supply is interfered with.

    Crap.

  215. C.L.

    Didn’t Obama send John Kerry to represent him at the 70th anniversary of WWII in Paris?
    LOL.

  216. H B Bear

    Trudeau is there and making a speech in the rain,…

    Followed by a Bollywood dance number?

  217. Every other leader in the country managed to be there. It was 50 miles from where he was staying, he could have gone by car. Trudeau is there and making a speech in the rain, making Trump look like a scaredy cat.

    Monty.
    The plan was to use Marine 1 chopper and security was set for this.
    Last minute long drives in cars without prior route checks would be a big no no for the security team.
    Jihadi Known Wolf might have got lucky with poor planning.

  218. C.L.

    On the 100th anniversary of the Armistice:

    IN A world first, gay and transgender people will join young women carrying round cards for the upcoming super fight between Jeff Horn and Anthony Mundine at Suncorp Stadium.

    /Courier Mail

  219. Tel

    By the way, is anyone unaware that her crime was to be the only Christian in a team of fruitpickers on a hot day, and she drank from a tin cup designated for Muslim use only?

    When you hear the Democrats in the USA harp on about the black/white segregation of the South (which the same Democrat party supported back in the day) you don’t hear anything about Muslim countries and the segregation going on over there.

    Weird huh?

  220. Infidel Tiger

    IN A world first, gay and transgender people will join young women carrying round cards for the upcoming super fight between Jeff Horn and Anthony Mundine at Suncorp Stadium.

    Mundine should refuse to fight if this happens.

    I would support him.

  221. Confused Old Misfit

    IN A world first, gay and transgender people will join young women carrying round cards for the upcoming super fight between Jeff Horn and Anthony Mundine at Suncorp Stadium.

    Jesus wept!

  222. P

    Asia Bibi

    Article of 8 Oct 2028:
    In 2010 Pope Benedict XVI called for Ms Bibi’s release, and in February this year Pope Francis met Mr Ashiq and their daughter Eisham at the Vatican.
    “The Pope encouraged us and said to us, ‘Don’t led your mind be disturbed’, and said ‘Pass on my encouragement to Asia Bibi and bless her as well,’” said Mr Ashiq.
    “By meeting him, our faith was boosted,” he said. “We were already believing and have a strong faith, but listening to him really encouraged us.”

    VATICAN CITY (ANS – April 15, 2015):
    Pope Francis on Wednesday met with the husband and daughter of Asia Bibi, the Pakistani Christian woman sentenced to death over blasphemy charges, the Vatican said.

  223. C.L.

    US Presidents routinely absent themselves from funerals, commemorations and comparable occasions when their security entourage is not compatible with the ceremony.

    But WWII is very much the Americans’ world war.
    WWI doesn’t really resonate, culturally. They didn’t even declare war on the Central Powers.

    Thus, the United States remained uninvolved in the military campaigns in central and eastern Europe, the Middle East, the Caucasus, North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Asia and the Pacific.

    Wiki.

  224. Monty.
    The plan was to use Marine 1 chopper and security was set for this.
    Last minute long drives in cars without prior route checks would be a big no no for the security team.
    Jihadi Known Wolf might have got lucky with poor planning.

    Are you trying to tell me the American Secret Service had no plan B in case of light mizzle? Don’t come the raw prawn, Gez.

  225. Gab

    Oh okay. The Pope met with Asia Bibi relatives and passed on some platitudes in 2010 and 2015. How beige of him. When did he, of late, say Mass for Asia Bibi? When did he speak out against the muslim hordes wanting her death in recent days? Oh that might take some courage.

  226. Bruce of Newcastle

    Trump’s Approval Rate Among Active-Duty Troops Drops to 44%, Military Times Poll Says

    LOL. Serving military voters voted for Trump in 2016 at 2:1 or 3:1 ratios.
    Which suggests their disapproval is because he hasn’t taken it to the Left vigorously enough.
    Orange jumpsuits for Comey and Hillary should improve that number markedly.

  227. C.L.

    Mundine should refuse to fight if this happens.

    The promoter came up with the idea precisely to punish Mundine.

    Promoters say the move is a human rights issue and boxing needs to “get with the times when it comes to inclusion”. However, the move will also box Mundine – who has faced public criticism for homophobic comments – into a corner.

    Promoter Dean Lonergan says the bold move will only proceed if Mundine agrees, saying if he doesn’t “it will show he is still a bigot”.

    “If he’s serious about turning over a new leaf and letting his gloves do the talking, this will be water off a duck’s back,’’ Mr Lonergan told The Sunday Mail.

    “Anthony has said that he’s not into racial or homophobic slurs anymore and my sense is he will be fully supportive of this.

    “If he doesn’t it will show he is still a bigot and if he does it shows anyone can change.’’

    The move has the support of the State Government, with Tourism Minister Kate Jones describing it as a great step forward for the gay community.

  228. Rae

    I suspect there is another reason. A rather unpleasant one.

    Wouldn’t have anything to do with “the religion of peace” would it?

    Maybe someone told him how bad it would look for a 5 times draft dodger to turn up to a memorial service for soldiers who gave their lives for their country.

  229. Snoopy

    For some reason Monty has decided to stay away from the Broward thread.

  230. C.L.

    Maybe someone told him how bad it would look for a 5 times draft dodger to turn up to a memorial service for soldiers who gave their lives for their country.

    Never stopped Bill Clinton or Joe Biden.
    But, as I said, Americans don’t really give a rat’s arse about WWI.

  231. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    “counter-terrorism expert” (LOL), Anne Aly,

    Just put up with it, that’s their answer. Be nice and pretend it doesn’t matter.
    Both the above masquerading sociology graduate and the media’s own Muzzie, Squalid Wali Ali.
    Oh, and Yassmin. The most feminist. Her recent extremely overblown Guardian piece about her emotional journey in her long life so far, beautifully skewered in a ‘thorough edit’ by Tim Blair in the October Quadrant. A sample:

    Yassmin: Is it better to have been innocent and lost it, than to not have been innocent at all? In all honesty, I don’t know.
    Timmy: Nobody else will, either, after reading this.
    Ysssmin (about her tragic life as an ordinary suburban girl feted by the ABC): Grief is a visitor that overstays its welcome, and no matter how much subtle hinting at the time, it’s still splayed out on your couch, eating nachos and getting guacamole on your carpet. Turns out grief does what it wants.
    Timmy: Spelling error. His name is Geoff, not “grief”.

  232. Snoopy

    The move has the support of the State Government, with Tourism Minister Kate Jones describing it as a great step forward for the gay community.

    Forget the gay community, Kate. How is the childcare worker community managing to get by without your intellect?

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