Open Forum: March 2, 2019

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  1. Confused Old Misfit

    Uncontrolled barking, once notified, should also be regarded as assault the next time it happens.

    I quite agree. Most jurisdictions have penalties for humans that make too much noise. Apply the same if the humans animals (I include cats and 2 AM caterwauling) disturb the peace.

  2. OldOzzie

    When you realise that sometimes you can be pretty dumb

    Was watching Netflix Documentary “How the Beatles Changed the World” which was discussing “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds”

    I was pretty staid in late teenage years, liked surfing, motor sport and girls, and whilst I like the Beatles, did not adopt their styles, similarly went to see Peter Paul and Mary at the Stadium, 1967, though not a hippy in any way, also enjoyed Johnny O’Keefe and the Dee Jays in 1959 at the Stadium and Beach Boys at the Stadium in 1964

    Anyway back to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, I had always heard it was associated with drugs but had missed the bleeding obvious – LSD

    the second bit I learnt was

    “All You Need Is Love” is a song by the English rock band the Beatles that was released as a non-album single in July 1967. It was written by John Lennon[2] and credited to Lennon–McCartney. The song served as Britain’s contribution to Our World, the first live global television link, when the Beatles were filmed performing it at EMI Studios in London on 25 June 1967. The programme was broadcast via satellite and seen by an audience of over 400 million in 25 countries

    So as British Contribution – the song opens with a portion of the French national anthem.

  3. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    For those Cats who loathe the boring PC entertainment sprayed out by the ABC, there is an alternative, although not to the taste of everyone.

    Mrs JB and I have taken to watching soapies and movies from South Korea, China, and Hong Kong. Luckily they have English subtitles,as we speak neither Korean or Cantonese.

    Great thing is, absolutely zero in the way of PC, as the Koreans and Chinese laugh at that sort of thing, and no adds. Much better looking actors than the ABC as a bonus.

    We use Netflix, Viki, or Youtube.

  4. Speaking of virgin ia subs:

    Why did the Catholic church not go nuclear at the outset.
    Sue baby sue!

  5. Geriatric Mayfly

    — posing alongside her daughter, Princess Anne, along with Queen Rania of Jordan and King Abdullah II of Jordan and their son, The Crown Prince, while at Buckingham Palace.
    Although many gushed over the “beautiful” photograph, others voiced their “concerns” for the 92-year-old monarch, pointing out a “bruise” on Queen Elizabeth’s left hand.

    She snotted Markle a good ‘un.

  6. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not without a permit & training bucko!

    I have my forklift ticket.
    Are you trying to say that I couldn’t be trained to drive a tank by a transgender soldier in our army?
    What are you implying here?

  7. From the olde fredde:
    Zyconoclast:

    The Morrison Government is guaranteeing help for Queensland farmers, establishing the North Queensland Livestock Industry Recovery Agency.

    Well, that’s rooted that recovery process – the Remoras will flock around the program and raise the costs by 50%, and the efficiency of the market will drop by the same amount.
    Will Governments ever learn that they are part of the problem, not the solution?
    Nope.

  8. hzhousewife

    The notion that these vestments could be “parted” is plainly false. Even hitching them up to one’s waist could not be done quickly or easily.

    Why was no demonstration made for the edification of the jury?

  9. Confused Old Misfit

    Are you trying to say that I couldn’t be trained to drive a tank by a transgender soldier in our army?

    As long as your IQ is above 80 and the tranny can keep its hands of your irresistibly iridescent pate you should be good to go after a few hours!

  10. Now that Pyne is on the way out can we cancel the subs contract ?

  11. Roger

    Why was no demonstration made for the edification of the jury?

    We don’t know that it wasn’t, but in any case it was explained to them, but to no avail. They were evidently of a mind to convict no matter what was set before them.

  12. Tel

    my NBN restricted because of HFC to 100Mbps/40Mbps for which I pay extra, …

    That was the original design speed on the first NBN blueprint. It’s not restricted, it’s working to spec.

  13. Geriatric Mayfly

    Why was no demonstration made for the edification of the jury?

    Are you forgetting ‘the dignity of the Court?’ It should also be pointed out that George is big of brawn and bone, and now elderly. I am the same age and of minimal bulk and have difficulty hitching up jumpers and other thick raiment.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    IQ is above 80 and the tranny can keep its hands of your irresistibly iridescent pate

    Yeah OK let’s scrub that idea.
    Both of these are impossible.

  15. Pedro the Ignorant

    Dog bites man.

    Man shoots dog.

    The End.

  16. Entropy

    Macbeth
    #2948303, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:03 pm
    Tintarella di Luna catchy tune on Chl 7’s new Miss Fisher. best part of the show. I hope our Tinta saw it.

    Watched for five minutes. Driven mad by the endless series of meaningful looks that plague bad scripts – Australian drivel in particular- in lieu of dialogue. Only good bit was the convertible. I ogled that and have no need to watch anymore.

  17. Herodotus:

    Contacts report that kids in a pretty good private school are getting solid indoctrination on climate change. The kids are full of it now. So the private schools are no better than the rabble in the state schools.
    We are so stuffed.

    Don’t be too sure about that. When the shit hits the fan, those who believe the most are usually the ones who convert the hardest. When children are lied to so outrageously, they become very antipathetic to those who lied to them.
    Look at Eastern Europe – now more anti socialist than the rest of Europe.

  18. hzhousewife

    The song served as Britain’s contribution to Our World, the first live global television link, when the Beatles were filmed performing it at EMI Studios in London on 25 June 1967.

    I remember that broadcast, I was a farm girl hoping to see the world one day, and here the world came into our living room, live pictures of the morning peak hour traffic in Tokyo etc etc, fishermen bringing in their nets somewhere or other – it was amazing at the time.

  19. OldOzzie

    Calli

    always liked Shirley Bassey – Big Spender this one from (1996 TV Special)

    plus on the Jazz Side – Dave Brubeck – Take Five

  20. Ivan Denisovich

    She’s lying, of course. She hasn’t spoken to any “good priests” on the subject whose response to child r-ape (even falsely alleged) is to ‘laugh darkly.’

    She has form, so much so that Hendo has even named a segment of MWD in “honour” of her habit:

    MWD has long focused on journalists’ use of anonymous sources to bolster their case while in the process of delivering a hatchet job. This segment is named after ABC star journalist Louise Milligan whose anonymous sources of recent memory have included “the father in law of an ABC journalist”. Really

  21. cohenite

    Now that Pyne is on the way out can we cancel the subs contract ?

    What the poodle has done is classic political shit in nest while leaving. The sub contract is the worst defence contract ever signed: a useless sub for vast, undefined expense which will take years to eventuate and be superseded when it does.

    Pyne should be keel-hauled.

  22. Entropy

    Winston Smith
    #2948338, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:40 pm
    From the olde fredde:
    Zyconoclast:

    The Morrison Government is guaranteeing help for Queensland farmers, establishing the North Queensland Livestock Industry Recovery Agency.

    Well, that’s rooted that recovery process – the Remoras will flock around the program and raise the costs by 50%, and the efficiency of the market will drop by the same amount.
    Will Governments ever learn that they are part of the problem, not the solution?
    Nope

    And the assistance will take forever to role out too. The araiBarnaby Bank aka RIC is at this point a paper institution, and its regulatory arrangements have to first be changed, with all the sniping opportunities it implies, from the ALP and Katters.
    Why not use the existing disaster assistance arrangements, rather than add a whole extra layer of ticket clippers on top? Next they will be dictating who can buy cattle to restock. No buying more than the other guy!

  23. Notafan

    Meaningful looks is so Days of our Lives

    especially when both actors are looking towards the camera

  24. Tel

    Being able to solve the aircraft noise problem, and get a decent night’s sleep is hardly “perverse” when it comes to owning a SAM battery.

    One minute after 9PM is kerfew time so we warm up the radar. Give perhaps another 5 minutes for the stragglers then arm the missiles. As Iampeter can explain, rights protecting government is all about not burning a great whopping turbine over someone’s head in the middle of the night.

  25. OldOzzie

    Tel
    #2948344, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    my NBN restricted because of HFC to 100Mbps/40Mbps for which I pay extra, …

    That was the original design speed on the first NBN blueprint. It’s not restricted, it’s working to spec.

    <strongTel,

    I am confused – what is the maximum speed you can get from NBN if your have

    Fibre to the premises (FTTP)

    Fibre to the premises is generally thought of as the best NBN connection you can get.

    With FTTP, sometimes known as fibre to the home (FTTH), a fibre optic cable runs from the closest fibre distribution hub and passes by each premises on a street, with an entire fibre of the multi-fibre ribbon cable dedicated to each house.

    FTTP offers the fastest possible connection — the lowest latency (ping, or ‘lag’) and highest potential for download and upload transfer speeds. It also offers the most headroom and room for future expansion — think of it as the widest possible pipe from your house to the wider internet.

    You can apply for an Individual Premises Switch to upgrade your existing NBN connection to FTTP, but you’ll have to pay the (almost certainly astronomical cost) to have the new installation. If you can convince enough residents in your area to switch over, the cost per user will come down — but don’t ever expect it to be affordable.

  26. Entropy

    Tel
    #2948344, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:47 pm
    my NBN restricted because of HFC to 100Mbps/40Mbps for which I pay extra, …

    That was the original design speed on the first NBN blueprint. It’s not restricted, it’s working to spec.

    That is true, Tel. I am on cable and get 115 Mbps down/ 5 Mbps up. I was happy with that. I don’t need a big upload, being a Cindy er of content rather than a generator. I would rather keep that extra 15% and am holding off the NBN for as long as possible.

  27. Nick

    MWD has long focused on journalists’ use of anonymous sources to bolster their case while in the process of delivering a hatchet job. This segment is named after ABC star journalist Louise Milligan whose anonymous sources of recent memory have included “the father in law of an ABC journalist”. Really

    Up there with Zoe Daniels interviewing her own children, or, the favourite Leftist ‘proof’ using tweets from fellow Leftists…

  28. bespoke

    Eyrie
    #2948292, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:45 pm
    bespoke,
    I’m not a big government statist.

    And I’m not against reasonable accountability directed at the owners.

    I was pointing out the difference between government treatment of two potentially dangerous things. Guns require human agency to do anything bad, dogs require human agency NOT to do bad things (proper unbringing and training, restraint etc) yet my guns are required to be locked up securely.
    Dogs also are the prime cause of noise pollution in suburbia. If people are going to live near each other there must be some rules.

    Yep my neighbor (a cop) has noisy kids and dogs. The are just being kids and the dog have like mine have deterred many incursions. Such is the trade off.

    I’m good with rules that say I’m allowed to shoot any dog that barks, barks at me, rushes the fence when I pass by on public land, menaces me

    Not if the dog stays on private land. And its not that you don’t have options like talking to the neighbor, reporting to the council or move to a retirement village.

    (I was not that long ago menaced by an improperly secured Rotty) etc

    Don’t think I’m not sympathetic but your solutions seemed draconian but understandable as victims often over compensate.

    Neil
    #2948299, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:56 pm
    There has to be a limit to what a citizen can own. I am not against guns or dogs. But pit bulls and rottweilers are fighting dogs and should be banned. A citizen should not be allowed to own a Virginia class nuclear submarine. The question for me is where do you draw the line. Same goes for speed limits and lots of other things.

    See how anti-gun talking points can be repurposed for just about anything.

  29. Brislurker

    Lizzie, very glad Hairy is improving. Modern medicine and prayers can do wonders.

  30. Tel

    Oz, here’s the original official press release, 100Mbps was always the top design speed (even there they are careful to say “up to” 100).

  31. Confused Old Misfit

    Being able to solve the aircraft noise problem

    Who was there first?

  32. Nick

    The sister of a man whose sex abuse case against George Pell was abandoned this week has spoken out for the first time.

    FFS. He wasn’t tried on that accusation, or had the chance to defended himself, yet the sister of an accuser can present an opinion as if a proven fact ?

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Why would our upload speed be consistently higher than our download speed on the NBN?

  34. Tel

    Who was there first?

    When I moved into this house there no flights within miles of here. In broader terms though, my family has owned land hin this city since before aircraft were even invented.

  35. Confused Old Misfit

    When I moved into this house there no flights within miles of here. In broader terms though, my family has owned land hin this city since before aircraft were even invented.

    Well old fellow, you are a sacrifice to the greater good of the commercial community!
    There’s a lot of that going ’round.
    Feel righteous in your rage.
    Buy ear plugs or NCD headphones.

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why would our upload speed be consistently higher than our download speed on the NBN?

    Skynet and the Robot Overlords.
    I tell everyone this all the time.

  37. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tel,

    but still does not give any indication of what speeds the NBN will be capable of and what FTTP is capable of achieving, assuming FTTP was what the Singapore Apartment was wired for when I did the OKLA Speed Test and got 264 Mbps Upload and DownLoad on my mobile

    Usually use OKLA on Mobile here at home as it is always close to Cat 6a Ethernet Cable directly connected iMac using AussieBroadband test (who also use OKLA)

  38. Old Lefty

    Meanwhile, in the ABC online news of all places, a further insight into the corrupt nexus between the ALP and the so-called justice system in Yarragrad. It turns out that the aptly named Ms Gobbo (aka Barrister X) is a former ALP hack implicated in a 1996 forgery designed to damage the Coalition and in making a false statement to VicPol which fingered a young Liberal for it. No charges, of course. Let’s hope that any Pell appeals get to the High Court before Shorten has enough time in the Lodge to stack the High Court as they have stacked the system in Yarragrad.

  39. Confused Old Misfit

    NBN is apparently capable of about 1.8MB/s, FTTP at our place today.
    F*cking unimpressed.

  40. dopey

    Witness: Pell was accompanied at all times after Mass.
    Miligan: See, they knew, they had to watch him like a hawk.

  41. 1735099

    Were such anthropogenic processes ever to be clearly proven

    Dear Lizzie, I have never been in the habit of going to the blogosphere to be informed about climate change. That would be about as useful as getting advice on finance, health and technology using this same dodgy medium.
    If I am seeking information I go to the journals.
    After doing that on and off since the 1980s, I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate climate change is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.
    Global warming is the classic high risk/high consequence scenario.
    This view was consolidated when we had a stillborn child in 1982, whose congenital deformity (which killed her during birth) was more likely than not a consequence of my exposure to dioxin.
    The point is, that the total disregard of the environment shown by those who were quite happy to spray millions of litres of defoliants to remove cover for insurgents, lingers in the behaviour and attitudes of those who reject that climate change is man made. They had a war to win, just sceptics have a dollar to be made. The end, after all, justifies the means.
    So don’t preach to me about the issue on a blog. It’s a waste of your time and mine.

  42. rickw

    Neil
    #2948299, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:56 pm
    There has to be a limit to what a citizen can own.

    Yeah, because Government, The Police and Judiciary can be absolutely trusted.

    I’d prefer the average punter to own an assault rifle over anyone in Vikpol for instance.

  43. 1735099

    NBN is apparently capable of about 1.8MB/s, FTTP at our place today.
    F*cking unimpressed.

    The same NBN is delivering 45.5MB/s download and 17.1 MB/s upload at our place.
    Quite impressed…

    Mind you’ our installation is fibre to the premises, installed before the Coalition stuffed it up.

  44. cohenite

    The question for me is where do you draw the line.

    So draw it and will see how you go.

  45. bespoke

    Tel
    #2948371, posted on March 2, 2019 at 2:10 pm
    Who was there first?
    When I moved into this house there no flights within miles of here. In broader terms though, my family has owned land hin this city since before aircraft were even invented.

    Near me the motor bike track, air field, model aero club and the shooting club have come under savvier restrictions and wont last long because of people looking for a tree change and others with no life but to complain.

  46. zyconoclast

    plus on the Jazz Side – Dave Brubeck – Take Five

    +100

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    After doing that on and off since the 1980s, I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate climate change is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    Numbers – I’ve been doing risk management as a part of work for several decades. I’ve also been deeply analysing scientific data over that same period.

    It isn’t happening.

    Taking out insurance against global warming is like taking out insurance against being trampled to death by dodos.

  48. Tel

    Oz, there’s no known intrinsic limit to what you can push through a fiber optic (in principle) and the state of the art improves every day … but that also holds for wireless. If you mean what equipment the NBN happens to be installing then search GPON, which operates as shared medium gigabit Ethernet but because it’s shared, there’s limitations that would make it impractical beyond 100M per user.

  49. John Constantine

    Hippy health fast food chain OLI olivers goes sub 2 cents on the asx.

    Could be tradeable, but why bother?.

    Once the CFO, CEO, chairman and a couple directors quit and run, without even mentioning spending more time with their families or walking into new jobs, others preferred.

    People say to focus groups and surveys they want ethical politically correct food, regardless of cost and convenience.

    Then in a real car, in the real world, they drive into Maccas.

    Comrades.

  50. bespoke

    1735099
    #2948380, posted on March 2, 2019 at 2:27 pm
    Mind you’ our installation is fibre to the premises, installed before the Coalition stuffed it up.

    Mine was installed well after. Lying by omission1735099, Sad.

  51. egg_

    I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate [interstellar asteroids]* is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    *Insert Ecocatastrophe here.

  52. trampled to death by dodos

    That’s happening.
    It’s called the “Climate Scam”

  53. 1735099

    I’ve also been deeply analysing scientific data over that same period.

    Published anything?
    If so, please link.

  54. Eddystone

    Not wanting to stick my oar in to other peoples problems, but this cancer talk is interesting and hope giving.

    Thomas Seyfried: Cancer: A Metabolic Disease With Metabolic Solutions

  55. Neil

    Mind you’ our installation is fibre to the premises, installed before the Coalition stuffed it up.

    Believe it or not speeds would be even slower with an all fibre network. CVC fees set up by Rudd/Conroy would be so high speeds would be glacial. Currently slow speed are due to high CVC fees meaning Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. CVC fees would be much higher with FTTP meaning speeds would be even slower

  56. egg_

    I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate climate change is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    We’re 5-7 metres from the last interglacial peak sea level.
    When will the tides turn?
    AFAIK Glaciation onset is very rapid.

    Risk = likelihood x consequences*

    *Economic ruin from taxing CO2

  57. zyconoclast

    Trump administration extends TPS for Haitians and three other groups

    The Trump administration said Thursday it will extend special immigration protections for Haiti and three other countries until January 2020.

    The decision affects Haitians, Salvadorans, Nicaraguans and Sudanese in the United States.

    The extension affects over 300,000 people who have been allowed to temporarily live and work in the U.S. after war or major natural disasters in their own countries.

  58. cohenite

    If I am seeking information I go to the journals.
    After doing that on and off since the 1980s, I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate climate change is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    What journals, Woman’s fucking Weekly you condescending nong.

    What you are describing is the precautionary principle which is either enshrined in cuck legislation such as in victoriastan or relied on generally when alarmists attempt to defend their untenable position.

    To be precise there is NO scientific evidence to support the idea that CO2 from human emissions controls the weather and in a completely negative way.

    The smarter alarmists know this which is why they dissemble about doing something just in case, ie the precautionary principle.

    One of the ways the alarmists are confounded, apart from there being no scientific evidence, is by cost/benefit analysis which assume the nonsensical forcing estimates from alarmism that higher CO2 levels will produce certain temperature and climatic effects are correct. In every cost/benefit analysis which assumes the IPCC rate of heating, the benefits of doing nothing outweigh the costs whereas ruining the economies of the world by attempting to limit heating to 1.5C involves costs far greater than the benefits.

    I repeat there is no evidence to support alarmism and the precautionary principle is just another way of saying that.

  59. Entropy

    The FTTN is now achieving speeds that were supposed to be only possible with FTTP. If you have FTTP I believe you can buy higher speeds, up towards 1Gbps depending on where you live.
    That said, it will be white elephant before you know it as wireless achieved speeds end up good enough and will forever be a classic example of bad governance, bad waste and bad government prioritisation.

    The ALP voters will claim it could have been good if the coalition hasn’t stuffed it up, and otherwise coalition voters will blame the coalition for not killing it off early. A brilliant bit of politics by the sociopath.

  60. egg_

    trampled to death by dodos

    That’s happening.
    It’s called the “Climate Scam”

    Can we clone dinosaurs* for food – apparently the Cretaceous was very warm?

    *Tastes like chicken?
    3 tonne chooks sounds yummie.

  61. dover_beach

    Someone on twitter is claiming (against me) that both of Pell’s trials were not held in secret but only under a gag order. Question to learned Catsters: 1) was the Pell case ever on the court list; and 2) was it open to members of the public. Anything else that might distinguish the two or not would be welcomed.

  62. bespoke

    Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    The goes with your claim to be trained in conflict resolution. LOL! You may have been trained but didn’t learn, 1735099.

  63. 3 tonne chooks sounds yummie.

    I gotta get a bigger barbie.

    Maybe nuclear powered rather than gas?

  64. zycxonoclast

    While accounting for 33 percent of Oslo’s population, immigrants account for nearly 70 percent of violent crimes in Norway’s capital, where victims are subject to serious bodily harm.

    Norway’s immigrant population exceeds 880,00 people, accounting for about 17 percent of the country’s total population (up from only 4.2 percent in 1992). Historically, migrants’ most common countries of origin were Sweden, Poland and Germany. In recent years, though, Somalia, Eritrea, Syria, Iraq and Pakistan have contributed the most.

  65. 1735099

    I repeat there is no evidence to support alarmism and the precautionary principle is just another way of saying that.

    I repeat – published anything on the issue?
    If so, please link.

  66. 132andBush

    Risk management for paper cuts and/or encountering a rare conservative in the staff room doesn’t count.

  67. zyconoclast

    While accounting for 33 percent of Oslo’s population, immigrants account for nearly 70 percent of violent crimes in Norway’s capital, where victims are subject to serious bodily harm.

    Norway’s immigrant population exceeds 880,00 people, accounting for about 17 percent of the country’s total population (up from only 4.2 percent in 1992). Historically, migrants’ most common countries of origin were Sweden, Poland and Germany. In recent years, though, Somalia, Eritrea, Syria, Iraq and Pakistan have contributed the most.

  68. I repeat – published anything on the issue?

    Yes bruce has published, other cats too, me too.

    You’re out numbered.

  69. Confused Old Misfit

    before the Coalition stuffed it up.

    It was well & truly f’d up the instant any government even looked sideways at it.
    In a village of 2500 people in Canada I had 50Mbps FTTP from a choice of 3 providers sharing two privately built networks.
    You could have let Optus & Telstra build their own nets. They would have done it at half the cost and twice as quickly.
    But Oh no! The bloody commies had to get involved and everyone had to have the service all over! Bugger the tech limitations! Typically the service is crap for everyone unless you live in a “privileged” area.

  70. Notafan

    A group of eight court reporters who attended both Pell trials every day, who included journalists from Guardian Australia and ABC News, did not breach the suppression order.

    but only the jury C Pell and officials would have been in court for examination of the accuser/everyone else would have been booted

    gag order

  71. Myrddin Seren

    *Insert Ecocatastrophe here.

    We could get slapped by something big falling out of space

    That in fact has considerable precedent.

    Space Force now !!!

  72. Entropy

    Aussie Boadband offers a 250 Mbps plan. $250 a month.

  73. Tel

    The ALP voters will claim it could have been good if the coalition hasn’t stuffed it up …

    The only winning move for Abbott back in the day was to say, “Hey I see the NBN is popular so we leave everything exactly as Labor put it together, and give it exactly the budget that Labor said it would cost”.

    One of those situations where you touched it, you own it … and you don’t want to own that thing.

  74. thefrollickingmole

    This little study seems to confirm a theory of mine.

    People inclined to radically “virtuous” are generally just filling a moral black hole of their own they dont want to confront.

    RTWT

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving

    new research suggests that professing such third-party concern—what social scientists refer to as “moral outrage”—is often a function of self-interest, wielded to assuage feelings of personal culpability for societal harms or reinforce (to the self and others) one’s own status as a Very Good Person.

    Feelings of guilt are a direct threat to one’s sense that they are a moral person and, accordingly, research on guilt finds that this emotion elicits strategies aimed at alleviating guilt that do not always involve undoing one’s actions. Furthermore, research shows that individuals respond to reminders of their group’s moral culpability with feelings of outrage at third-party harm-doing. These findings suggest that feelings of moral outrage, long thought to be grounded solely in concerns with maintaining justice, may sometimes reflect efforts to maintain a moral identity.

    So calling for more taxes on “Da rich” alleviates the ego of the person from donating more of their own time/money to doing the same.

    Rich people attending 5 star conferences where they talk about problems in the abstract without materially inconveniencing themselves is the same. (Bono/Geldof etc)

    Keefer’s findings:

    Triggering feelings of personal culpability for a problem increases moral outrage at a third-party target. For instance, respondents who read that Americans are the biggest consumer drivers of climate change “reported significantly higher levels of outrage at the environmental destruction” caused by “multinational oil corporations” than did the respondents who read that Chinese consumers were most to blame.
    The more guilt over one’s own potential complicity, the more desire “to punish a third-party through increased moral outrage at that target.” For instance, participants in study one read about sweatshop labor exploitation, rated their own identification with common consumer practices that allegedly contribute, then rated their level of anger at “international corporations” who perpetuate the exploitative system and desire to punish these entities. The results showed that increased guilt “predicted increased punitiveness toward a third-party harm-doer due to increased moral outrage at the target.”
    Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through “ingroup immorality.” Study participants who read that Americans were the biggest drivers of man-made climate change showed significantly higher guilt scores than those who read the blame-China article when they weren’t given an opportunity to express anger at or assign blame to a third-party. However, having this opportunity to rage against hypothetical corporations led respondents who read the blame-America story to express significantly lower levels of guilt than the China group. Respondents who read that Chinese consumers were to blame had similar guilt levels regardless of whether they had the opportunity to express moral outrage.
    “The opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doers” inflated participants perception of personal morality. Asked to rate their own moral character after reading the article blaming Americans for climate change, respondents saw themselves as having “significantly lower personal moral character” than those who read the blame-China article—that is, when they weren’t given an out in the form of third-party blame. Respondents in the America-shaming group wound up with similar levels of moral pride as the China control group when they were first asked to rate the level of blame deserved by various corporate actors and their personal level of anger at these groups. In both this and a similar study using the labor-exploitation article, “the opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doing (vs. not) led to significantly higher personal moral character ratings,” the authors found.
    Guilt-induced moral outrage was lessened when people could assert their goodness through alternative means, “even in an unrelated context.” Study five used the labor exploitation article, asked all participants questions to assess their level of “collective guilt” (i.e., “feelings of guilt for the harm caused by one’s own group”) about the situation, then gave them an article about horrific conditions at Apple product factories. After that, a control group was given a neutral exercise, while others were asked to briefly describe what made them a good and decent person; both exercises were followed by an assessment of empathy and moral outrage. The researchers found that for those with high collective-guilt levels, having the chance to assert their moral goodness first led to less moral outrage at corporations. But when the high-collective-guilt folks were given the neutral exercise and couldn’t assert they were good people, they wound up with more moral outrage at third parties. Meanwhile, for those low in collective guilt, affirming their own moral goodness first led to marginally more moral outrage at corporations.

  75. dover_beach

    It appears from what you’ve said notafan, and from my cursory research, that the case was neither listed nor open to the public. Cheers.

  76. Entropy

    NBN, NDIS, Gonski. All unfunded land mines for the incoming coalition, and open up claims Abbott stripped them of funding. Funding that as never provisioned in the forward estimates in the first place.

    Of course, the LNP is too stupid to do the same to the ALP. Probably gift a balanced budget to them.

  77. Neil

    One of those situations where you touched it, you own it … and you don’t want to own that thing

    I think that is correct. From what I have read CVC fees charged by NBNCo with an all fibre network means speeds would have been very slow. Current slow speeds are not due to copper but CVC fees

  78. MatrixTransform

    either NumbNutz has found the Atmospheric Hot Spot or he’s able to achieve forcing by weight of opinion alone.

    Is there anything a school teacher cant do?

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    Published anything?

    Lots. No I’m not going to link any of it for the very obvious reasons.
    Those Cats who know me can find my publications easily.
    I first considered entering the climate field in 2006, it’s interesting to see the ideas I had then attracting large funding now. After I’d looked at the data and rapidly found most warming last century was natural I elected not to proceed. (One idea on cheap large scale solar electricity has not been pursued – I think it would work, but that it hasn’t been in development since then either means it isn’t practicable or no one else has thought of it.)

  80. Notafan

    I don’t see how a suppression order could have possibly worked if hostile gen pop were able to attend

  81. Des Deskperson

    “The Kid has not led a chequered life,” Milligan notes in her book. “He’s university-educated, he hasn’t had trouble with the law. He has a lovely young girlfriend, lots of friends, he’s a pillar of his community in a sort of understated, slightly ironic way, and in that part of his life, he is, he told me, very happy’

    While we are on the subject of ABC drama, this dude seems remarkably like a character out of one

  82. cohenite

    I repeat – published anything on the issue?

    Yes.

  83. JC

    Bruce

    What’s the point of any solar when there’s oodles of electricity from Gen 4?

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – Exactly.

  85. 1735099

    Sheridan’s piece in today’s Oz – As threats mount, we must start taking defence seriously – is a good read.
    It emphasises the fact that we need to be planning for what has already begun. That is the dangerous combination of a disengaging lunatic in the White House, and an assertive China.
    Shorten’s 90 day strategic fuel initiative is a step in the right direction, but the current situation has a 1939 flavour about it.

  86. zyconoclast

    2 points:
    Since when did a highschool girl become cis gendered?
    If she is so happy and supportive of her enemies?

  87. zyconoclast

    Should read: why is she so happy and supportive…?

  88. calli

    he’s a pillar of his community in a sort of understated, slightly ironic way

    What does that even mean?

    He flips snags ironically at Bunnings?

    He picks up litter with an ironic expression?

  89. Entropy

    90 days is five minutes in a military situation.
    A better policy would be new refineries and allow oil rigs in the bight. Not. Going. To. Happen.

  90. Infidel Tiger

    but the current situation has a 1939 flavour about it.

    Which side were you supporting in ’39?

  91. areff

    The letter from the sister of the “abused” Ballarat pool boy is being presented without context: From 7.30’s Milligan-ised report of 2016:

    Given the risks of speaking out publicly, Lyndon Monument and Damian Dignan have declared some painful truths about their own histories to 7.30.

    Both men have made extremely serious allegations of abuse against some other teachers at St Alipius which are also being investigated by Victoria Police’s Taskforce SANO, and Damian Dignan in particular cites the beatings delivered by brothers at the school as having a terrible psychological impact on him.

    “You’re like a dog that’s been beaten too much — you’ve got no confidence,” Mr Dignan said.

    “You can’t talk. And you’ll never talk. You feel ashamed.”

    For Lyndon Monument, the years since St Alipius have been painful. His wife suicided in 2002 and his brother Craig suicided in 2007.

    Several of his St Alipius friends who survived sexual abuse also took their lives and Lyndon Monument’s life spun out of control.

    “I know it sounds horrible, and I would never hurt myself because I love my family and my kids, but I don’t really like living,” Mr Monument said.

    He said he also drinks heavily and tries to get to sleep as quickly as he can each night because he hates “being awake”.

    He became a drug addict “just to blank it all out” and for a while dealt amphetamines, leading to a prosecution for assault of his then-girlfriend and another man over a drug debt in 2010, which saw him serve 11 months in jail.

    Mr Monument said he “deserved jail” and does not blame it on anything but himself.

    Damian Dignan too has run foul of the law for assault and drink driving. He has leukaemia and lives alone in a tiny granny flat.

    “I never ever dealt with [the abuse], never spoke of it, didn’t know how to show love,” Mr Dignan said.

    “I took to alcohol, to not have feelings [and] I lost everything I had. My partner, beautiful children, a home, freedom.

    “I’ve got to a stage in my mind that I don’t really want an apology. I want them to tell my kids why they haven’t got a father.”

    7.30 does not suggest the difficulties Lyndon Monument and Damian Dignan have suffered in their adult lives could be attributed solely to what they say George Pell did to them. Nor do Mr Monument and Mr Dignan claim that.

    No, they don’t say it. The one’s sister says it.

  92. Mater

    After doing that on and off since the 1980s, I am confident that any reasonable action taken to mitigate climate change is good insurance. Part of my training and long experience dealt with risk management, and the balance of the duty of care and the dignity of risk.

    Any half reasonable risk assessment would have recognised three possibilities in respect to ‘Climate Change’:
    1. It’s a natural Phenomenon,
    2. It’s man-made, or
    3. A combination of the two.

    From this, any half reasonable Risk Manager would have championed an approach that caters to all possibilities, that is: Adaption and Consequence Mitigation. Our current approach is flipping a coin, not sound Risk Management.

    Ask yourself this, if it turns out to be natural, wouldn’t all this money spent on eliminating CO2 have been better spent building sea walls, moving people, etc? Noting that Black Saturday was caused by Power Lines, would you now spend your entire fire budget bullet-proofing the electricity grid to ensure it didn’t start fires, or would you use the money to upgrade your fire fighting capabilities, understanding that there are other possible causes (arson, Lightning, cigarette butts, glass bottles, lawn mowers, etc)?

    The war on CO2 is not sound Risk Management, it’s governments picking a winner….and we know how that usually turns out.

  93. dover_beach

    I don’t see how a suppression order could have possibly worked if hostile gen pop were able to attend

    Indeed. Unsurprisingly, I inform the twitter clown that the trail was not on the court list, closed to the public, and unable to be discussed in the press, and he persists in saying that it was not a secret trial, but only a trial under a gag order. I’ve now informed him that even the ABC and BBC described it as a secret trial. I’m sure he will persist in his malice.

  94. egg_

    Venezuelan fitness model bitten on bottom by wild pig

    I was nowhere near her at the time, yer Honour – I swear!

  95. calli

    Haters gotta hate, Dover.

    areff, those two guys appear to have said nothing about Pell at all. Have I missed something?

  96. I don’t like secret trials (and with secret verdicts!).

    It sets a bad precedent. Before you know it, executions will be by invitation only.

    Support your local tumbril dealer.

  97. egg_

    he’s a pillar of his community in a sort of understated, slightly ironic way

    A virtual pillar?

  98. C.L.

    Despite my brother being an asshole whose claims were thrown out of court this week …

    Pell accuser’s sister speaks out (The Australian) …

    I am the sister of a complainant (and myself a witness) in the now abandoned ‘swimmers trial’ against George Pell — the reasons for which I fully understand and am comfortable with.

    I want to be clear the purpose of this letter is not to rage against the abandonment of that trial but a response to comments made by and the actions of a few particular men in the public eye over recent days.

    All of you have had something to say that has affected me — now it’s my turn.

    The impact of child sexual abuse inflicted by members of the Catholic Church began reverberating in my family home almost 40 years ago and culminated in the loss of a brother to suicide just over 10 years ago.

    I did not think that my family could ever experience a pain and a darkness like that ever again. But I was wrong.

    The decision to come forward with allegations against George Pell, almost four years ago, set my brother, myself and my family on a journey that has had equally dark times and inflicted stress that I did not, at times, think we would survive.

    The words spoken by Robert Richter in court on Wednesday (I will not repeat them) have gone round and round in my mind since I first read them.

    The impact those words had on survivors is well documented across social media platforms, they will impact survivors for days, weeks and for some months.

    I am sorry you had to endure such disrespect and further harm. I hope that you have the

    support and care that you need right now.

    What I also observe is the impact those words had on ‘us’ who are not victims. Why? Because they gave us an incomprehensible taste of what survivors face and endure through the various systems they navigate for both justice and compensation.

    It was unimaginable to the ordinary person that such an abhorrent experience could be referred to in such a callous way, in an effort to extract leniency. I also lost sleep.

    Social media has facilitated an overwhelming negative public response to the decision by John Howard for providing a character reference.

    Andrew Bolt’s continued tirades depict the victims as unreliable and worse, always with his trademark air of arrogance and judgment.

    Father Frank Brennan used his position and the media, to demonstrate the ‘innocence’ of his friend because it ‘simply wasn’t possible’, providing details about time here and there as well as garments supposedly secured.

    Thousands of victims who told their stories to the royal commission recounted how acts of abuse could occur in the most brazen and ‘impossible’ ways — predators strike when you least expect it, with speed and precision and if well-practised in the slightest of opportune moments.

    What dampens my rage and instead restores my faith in being human is how the public has sent the strongest of messages to these men of white privilege and power.

    You no longer rule our world.

    Watch Cardinal George Pell’s key interview with Victoria Police from 2016, the only one shown to the jury before he was convicted for child abuse crimes this week.

    As they scramble to hold on to their perceived entitlement, they continue to personify what enabled a system of abuse against children for all to see.

    The well-deserved public backlash that has been directed at these men has been both eloquent and raw and completely united in its message — you are no longer of much interest to us.

    For they have been conquered by 12 ordinary people, installed on a jury and tasked with listening to “all” the evidence and to return a verdict beyond reasonable doubt — they were unanimous — guilty.

    It can’t have been easy, will have taken courage and conviction, caused sleepless nights and

    returned them to their families changed from their experience.

    In all of this noise, their message comes through quietly, powerfully and is directed to those who have not yet come forward and sadly to those who are yet to have their experience — you are safe, we believe you. Thank you, to the 12, for inspiring me to use my voice and my right to free speech.

    So there you have it. Andrew Bolt, John Howard and Frank Brennan were on trial and were “conquered” by the jury. Not mentioned in the letter: Ms Monument’s brother is a convicted criminal who was jailed for amphetamine-pushing (willing to kill people for money) and bashing his girlfriend.

  99. stackja

    Vic police like secrecy.

    Why ‘Lawyer X’ Nicola Gobbo turned informer
    Anthony Dowsley and Patrick Carlyon, Herald Sun
    March 2, 2019 8:00am
    Subscriber only

    In secret hearings in the Supreme Court in 2016-17, Gobbo claimed she had turned informer because she wanted to get “the Mokbel monkey” off her back. She had wearied of the Mokbel family’s misuse of lawyers to manipulate justice, of their compelling subordinates to remain silent, she said.

    She felt stood over by criminals.

    But when speaking of assisting then detective Stuart Bateson of the anti-gangland Purana taskforce, whom she met on a “number of occasions” from early 2004, she gave a different reason.

    Her motivation then was Carl Williams, who had distressed her for the same reasons as Tony Mokbel.

    She said Williams — who was her client, on and off, until he figured out her duplicities and labelled her a “dog” — sought “to control what suspects and witnesses could and could not do”.

  100. Notafan

    Father Frank Brennan used his position and the media, to demonstrate the ‘innocence’ of his friend because it ‘simply wasn’t possible’, providing details about time here and there as well as garments supposedly secured.

    laughable

  101. egg_

    We could get slapped by something big falling out of space

    NumbNutz should be more concerned about big @rsed ‘roids at his time of life.

  102. Anne

    ICIJ
    @ICIJorg
    The US Supreme Court has stripped the World Bank of its legal immunity, opening the door for lawsuits against the organization. One plaintiff in the case represented a fishing community in India whose story featured in our #EvictedAbandoned investigation

    Joe M
    @StormIsUponUs
    The [World Bank] is about to be litigated into oblivion for all their banksterism and precious-metal suppression. One hundred miles of parasitic globalist tapeworm coiled up in the bowels of humanity soon to be chopped up and flushed down the sewers of history. #Winning

    😀 I love Joe!

  103. stackja

    Notafan
    #2948447, posted on March 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    Yes! And an Oliver Twist quote seems apt too.

    Chapter 37. “If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, …

  104. Notafan

    Monument’s sister comments imply that Cardnal Pell was convicted in relation to her brother’s matter.

    He wasn’t.

    It is odd that the failure to proceed in relation to the Ballarat pool matter was said because of the death from leukemia of Damian Dignan yet there is a conviction in relation to the other deceased man, who denied being abused.

  105. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ms Monument’s brother is a convicted criminal who was jailed for amphetamine-pushing (willing to kill people for money) and bashing his girlfriend.

    All discounted by the fact that he was a survivor. Another abuse of the language hatched by the Left.

  106. stackja

    Notafan
    #2948452, posted on March 2, 2019 at 3:26 pm

    Judge Kidd seemed to be selective.

  107. cohenite

    That bum-nipping pig in action:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BtwWkKKhF58/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

    One of the most moving videos I have seen; it has everything: action, feminine values – the pig was a sow -, suspense, exotic locales and reaffirmation of the female form.

  108. dover_beach

    Yes, Nick, I saw that. The twitter clown is now saying that it wasn’t in secret because we learned about it after the fact.

    Please, let me repeat, do not believe that people are either stupid or ignorant, they are often simply malicious.

  109. C.L.

    Notice how this has been airbrushed from existence?

    LOUISE MILLIGAN: Damian Dignan was also fearful of some teachers at St. Alipius.
    He has given another statement to police outlining serious and repeated abuse by a female relief teacher. He says that abuse had an enormous psychological impact on him. He tried to alert a family member.

    And what happened?

    DAMIAN DIGNAN: She took her shoe off and hit me in the face about six or seven times and said I was dirty.

    LOUISE MILLIGAN: So that can’t have given you much confidence to go and talk to her about George Pell.

    DAMIAN DIGNAN: No.

    But wait, there’s more. Monument was also sexually abused by other staff – but none of these perpetrators have been hunted down or charged by Victoria Police.

    LOUISE MILLIGAN: Lyndon Monument says he too had kept silent about other serious abuse unrelated to George Pell in his case by a vicious teacher who made him masturbate and perform oral sex. The only person Lyndon Monument told was his brother Craig, who advised his little brother never to speak of it.

    LYNDON MONUMENT: With the George Pell thing, we just kept that quiet and kept us all amongst us because you feel like a d**khead. No-one wanted to be called a gaybo and – you know what I mean?, by your friends when you’re young. You just don’t want that s**t getting out.

    Where are these perpetrators?
    When will they be charged?
    Why have Victoria Police not presented “some teachers, the “vicious teacher” and the “female relief teacher”?

    Notice how Milligan is completely and utterly indifferent to Dignan’s claim of being sexually assaulted by a female teacher? Her only concern is, “So that can’t have given you much confidence to go and talk to her about George Pell.”

    ——————

    Link above is broken. The ABC has deleted it. The transcript was posted here last year.

  110. I will say it again, a Western education coupled with determination that will enable success is key. Not fucking mythical ties to land or country, we all have that in Australia. Go and be enterprising.

    Rant over.

    Thank you, Black Boll. My opinion exactly.

  111. Nick

    The twitter clown is now saying that it wasn’t in secret because we learned about it after the fact.

    They think that makes sense ?

  112. calli

    Thanks guys. Now I get it.

    It’s all so nebulous and deliberately opaque. I was confused as to the identities of all the players.

    Why haven’t the abusive teachers been tracked down? There will be records.

  113. Pedro the Ignorant

    That bikini clad hottie bitten on the bum by a pig should be grateful it wasn’t this pig.

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Victoria judicial system did not give George Pell a fair trial: Tom Percy QC
    Tom Percy, OpinionThe West Australian
    Saturday, 2 March 2019 2:02AM

    2:27 | 7 News
    Current Time 1:16
    /
    Duration 2:27

    A court has now released George Pell’s videotaped police interview in Rome in 2016 – where the Cardinal denounces allegations against him as ‘madness’ and ‘an absolute load of rubbish.’Take a look

    In my view, the judicial system in Victoria didn’t really give George Pell a chance at a fair trial.

    Why? Well think about what’s recently dominated the headlines in WA.

    Anyone who has been in WA over the past fortnight and experienced the tsunami of media coverage about the Bradley Edwards Claremont serial killer case would have to admit that, were it not for him being able to have a trial by judge alone, he would effectively be untriable.

    Leaving aside the 20 years of notoriety of the events in question, the impending trial has generated an unprecedented level of publicity — mostly negative — that would have made a trial by jury all but impossible.

    Had it not been for the capacity of the system in WA to provide a judge-alone trial, Bradley Edwards might well have been successful in arguing for a permanent stay of the proceedings on the basis that he couldn’t get a fair trial.

    But perhaps I use the word “unprecedented” too loosely.

    On the other side of the nation this week with the Cardinal Pell case we were finally made privy to the outcome of the trial that has probably been responsible for at least as much press, and again largely negative, as that in the Claremont serial killer case.

    The only difference is that in Victoria the system doesn’t allow for trial by judge alone.

    Pell had to take his chances with a jury selected at random from a community that had been subjected to several years of vitriolic media — not just about his case but the potential guilt of any number of Catholic clerics around the country and around the world.

    Pell didn’t seek a permanent stay of the proceedings.

    He was probably forced into that position by having insisted from the outset that he wanted his day in court with a view to clearing his name.

    A permanent stay of the proceedings would never have achieved that.

    Applications to stay serious criminal proceedings permanently are rarely granted, the theory being that no matter how prejudicial the publicity about any given case, it can all be cured by a judge telling the jury to put it out of their minds.

    Just how effective that is however, I have always had my doubts.

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    Applications to stay serious criminal proceedings permanently are rarely granted, the theory being that no matter how prejudicial the publicity about any given case, it can all be cured by a judge telling the jury to put it out of their minds.

    Appeals often succeed as a result of this homily from the learn’d Judge. Of course, we have no idea what pearls of wisdom fell from his lips.

  116. dopey

    Someone had $239,000 on Winx at $1.09.

  117. stackja

    C.L.
    #2948458, posted on March 2, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    C.L.
    #2426613, posted on June 29, 2017 at 1:29 pm
    TWO men who made abuse allegations against Cardinal George Pell say they are “over the moon” about the decision to lay charges.

  118. Tom

    History will record that Happy Clapper was always two lengths behind the greatest Australian racehorse of all time. Thanks for turning up: for a furlong today before Winx let down, we were unsure of how history would remember March 2, 2019.

  119. The idea of trials being open to the public is just a lame attempt to reduce the number of lynchings.

    charge, trial, find guilty, lynch ’em. It can all be done in a matter of hours, if its kept secret.

  120. Big Moose

    All the media that’s happened with George Pell but I can remember that none of them or the politicians at the time wanted to speak about the ALP senator Bob Collins and the child sex charges he avoided answering for when he committed suicide in 2007. The Media even obfuscated on his cause of death to garner sympathy saying cancer when the NT coroners report stated suicide. It seems very curious as to why this has always been shut down.

  121. stackja

    C.L. Is this it?

    Wayback Machine

    Australian Broadcasting Corporation

    Broadcast: 27/07/2016

    Reporter: Louise Milligan

    Police are investigating multiple child abuse allegations against Cardinal George Pell. Cardinal Pell has emphatically denied the allegations.

    Transcript
    SABRA LANE, PRESENTER: Tonight, a special report. Rightly or wrongly, over the course of the child abuse royal commission, one figure has emerged as a lightning rod for the anger of Catholics. Cardinal George Pell has been grilled over what he knew about clergy abuse of children in the Church’s care. Tonight, 7.30 changes the focus of that discussion to reveal a series of allegations levelled against the Cardinal himself. Victoria’s Police Commissioner recently confirmed his Taskforce Sano is investigating George Pell over multiple allegations. We can reveal that investigation has been going for more than a year and involves a number of complainants spanning decades. 7.30 understands that file has been sent to the Office of Public Prosecutions for advice. The Cardinal has issued a statement saying he emphatically and unequivocally rejects any allegations of sexual abuse against him. 7.30 acknowledges the Cardinal is entitled to a presumption of innocence and that the allegations are yet to be tested by any court. In an investigation over several months, reporter Louise Milligan and producer Andy Burns spoke to scores of witnesses and other sources, piecing together the complaints being examined by the police. Many of those they spoke to are concerned that the full picture may never emerge and that’s why they’ve decided to tell their story publicly. Because of the nature of the story, a warning that it contains details that may distress some viewers.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Top Perth lawyer Tom Percy QC says he does not think George Pell was given a chance at a fair trial.

    Writing for The Weekend West, Mr Percy compared the case to the Claremont serial killings trial in WA, which is being heard by a judge alone.

    He said it was his view that the judicial system in Victoria was not set up to give Pell a fair trial because a judge-alone trial was not an option.

    “Pell had to take his chances with a jury selected at random from a community that had been subjected to several years of vitriolic media — not just about his case but the potential guilt of any number of Catholic clerics around the country and around the world,” Mr Percy said.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/victoria-judicial-system-did-not-give-george-pell-a-fair-trial-tom-percy-qc-ng-b881123101z

    Percy is top QC and from the left on many issues.

  123. cohenite

    ALP senator Bob Collins and the child sex charges he avoided answering for when he committed suicide in 2007. The Media even obfuscated on his cause of death to garner sympathy saying cancer when the NT coroners report stated suicide. It seems very curious as to why this has always been shut down.

    No it doesn’t. Look at tits: a credible r.pe allegation, witnesses, statements to the wallopers who in very unusual fashion invite tits in for a cuppa and then don’t pass on the brief to the DPP who are the ones who should be making the decision to prosecute or not.

  124. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2948457, posted on March 2, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    Yes, Nick, I saw that. The twitter clown is now saying that it wasn’t in secret because we learned about it after the fact.

    Please, let me repeat, do not believe that people are either stupid or ignorant, they are often simply malicious.

    Are they ever, I’m following a few European forums (history and tech stuff) and you couldn’t believe the viciousness of some people, sometimes about quite innocent subjects.

    Gainsay them and out come the insults.

  125. pete m

    I just wish more horses were in the races Winx has won as it tarnishes her wonderful record racing against 7 instead of 12 plus.

    Amazing horse to have won 23 group 1 races.

  126. Dr Fred Lenin

    Lets really frighten the elites at this next election ,get our revenge for their arrogance . Put every sitting candidate last on the ballot paper,a clean sweep , destroy all political careers . The replacements couldnt be any worse than the current crop . When the are elected pressure them continually with the prospect they might get elected again . At the next election after their first term ,cheat them , put them last again , the gangs oops sorry. Parties will try to ring in the ones who were defeated before to regain control. Put them second last on the ballot paper . These actions will destroy career politics and political gangs . Show them the People run things not them . Just imagine the turmoil the aparat and media would be in and the deserved punishment of the arrogant elites . A bloodless Revolution .

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So don’t preach to me about the issue on a blog. It’s a waste of your time and mine.

    I’ve looked at some of the journal articles and well-informed commentary, Numbers, just as you have, and my husband, the Ole Hairy (no slouch as a scientist) has looked at many more; in fact, he makes a hobby of it. He is outraged at the scientific slackness concerning hypotheses and near-fraud regarding data that he sees in many the climate materials used to further hysteria over matters climatic, as are many other trained scientists with good skills in analysis. Hairy’s also had the deeper experience of having sat on many ARC and other grant committees and is a practiced team-leader in serious international technological and ‘hard science’ research. There is a very respectable position of skepticism available re these climatic matters. I wouldn’t try to convince you on a blog, but don’t hesitate to state my concern over where we are headed with it.

    In epidemiology, I also studied risk analysis. Medicine is full of it, by necessity, and weighing up relative risks is an art form as well as a science there. I don’t buy the ‘insurance’ issue re climate change. There are no appropriate trade-offs. We gain nothing from what is being done at present, no matter what you believe. By our pig headedness now in going ahead with non-solutions to a non-problem we risk our children’s future prosperity. A bad risk deal, imho.

    Linking climate matters to the defoliation chemicals used in the Vietnam War is, what shall I call it? How about ‘a long bow’. I see myself as an environmentalist and was horrified to observe first hand the level of environmental destruction that was wracked upon little Vietnam when I visit there a few years ago. However, environments do repair and this one is doing so. The human cost in deformities though has been high, and I can see your anger over that. I am angry too. I think though we have far more awareness of ecological relationships and chemical effects than we knew all those years ago, although even then cautions were being expressed; but war is always brutal and fought in hindsight. The only lesson I take from that piece of delusional chemical carpet bombing is that one day I hope we will get some better perspectives from genuine science (not hockey sticks) about our current madness and obsessional delusions about anthropogenic climate change. Carpet bombing our economy in the name of a false set of beliefs, talked up to ridiculous extents by those with hands in the ‘renewable’ and ‘sustainable’ pockets of politicians and back-to-nature frauds, is no way forward for our children and grandchildren. They will ask us why we allowed this madness to bring our country down.

  128. 3aw: “Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton yesterday told Neil Mitchell Ms Gobbo’s safety is now in jeopardy”.

    Multiple interpretations of fatty’s words.

    Are we meant to assume that fatty & co. want to keep her safe?

  129. Chris

    Victoria judicial system did not give George Pell a fair trial: Tom Percy QC
    Tom Percy, OpinionThe West Australian

    Eastern States Cats should note that Tom Percy QC has a lifetime reputation of being the go-to lawyer if you are in serious trouble.
    I knew him slightly at UWA, where he was at college with many who have been Premiers and Ministers in the years since. The lefties accused him of racism, so he and his mates held a bush-band concert on the tower top of St Georges College to raise money for the Darwin Aboriginal Women’s Refuge. It was a rip-roaring affair, Hannans Lager was served and donations collected in a letterbox thieved from a Waratah Avenue home under the stern gaze of garden gnomes swiped from a dozen front yards around Perth.
    So don’t call Tom racist, because he and his friends will just have fun and support worthwhile causes.

  130. stackja

    ALP hate, never forget?

    Labor, religion and a little history
    October 6, 2004 — 10.00am [The Age]

    There are some echoes of the 1950s in the politics of today, writes Paul Strangio.

    “But in the (May 1954) election, one factor told heavily against us – the attitude of a small minority group of members, located particularly in the State of Victoria, which has, since 1949, become increasingly disloyal to the Labor movement and the Labor leadership.

    “Adopting methods which strikingly resemble both Communist and Fascist infiltration of larger groups, some of these groups have created an intolerable situation – calculated to deflect the Labor movement from the pursuit of established objectives and ideals . . . It seems certain that the activities of this small group are largely directed from outside the Labor movement. The Melbourne News Weekly appears to act as their organ.”

    H. V. Evatt, leader of the federal parliamentary Labor Party, October 5, 1954

    With these words the whirlwind that became the Labor Split was unleashed half a century ago this week. Even now “Doc” Evatt’s motives remain in dispute. Was the statement a calculated manoeuvre to stir the sectarian pot to shore up his wounded leadership, or the product of paranoia that portended his tragic descent into a mental twilight?

    In addition, there have been grumblings about Labor’s schools funding policy awakening old sectarian rivalries because of Labor’s temerity in wanting to redistribute funds away from wealthy independent schools that are also disproportionately Anglican. The policy’s critics included the Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, George Pell, who joined forces with two members of the Anglican hierarchy to express concern about its being potentially divisive.

    Impressively ecumenical the intervention might have seemed, but coinciding with the anniversary of the beginning of the Split it was replete with ironies. Not least of these is that Cardinal Pell has passionately venerated the memory of B. A. Santamaria, who back then played with sectarian fires that ended in a conflagration.

  131. Looking at the bright side of red shirts, faked breath tests, pell, gobbo …

    Vikpol don’t even have to leave their building to find some crooks.

  132. Old School Conservative

    pete m
    #2948478, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:12 pm
    I just wish more horses were in the races Winx has won as it tarnishes her wonderful record racing against 7 instead of 12 plus.

    2nd prize money isn’t sufficient?

  133. Leigh Lowe

    John Constantine

    #2948387, posted on March 2, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    Hippy health fast food chain OLI olivers goes sub 2 cents on the asx.

    People say to focus groups and surveys they want ethical politically correct food, regardless of cost and convenience.

    Then in a real car, in the real world, they drive into Maccas.

    True.
    There have been two attempts to run a supermarket near our (cough) inner-city penthouse specialising in pricey hippy-shit foods.
    One went broke and it’s replacement in the same premises is on the brink.
    I say exactly that to Mrs L. That the market research would have been rock-solid but, when it came to paying $150 for a tiny basket of organic free-range, they baulk.

  134. calli

    The human cost in deformities though has been high, and I can see your anger over that. I am angry too

    The best thing is to put legs on your anger and buy stuff from the institutions set up to help these people.

    I came home with some lovely items made by severely handicapped people. It obviously doesn’t make things right, but it puts much needed cash into the system, and bolsters pride in work.

  135. stackja

    50 years since Australia’s ‘most poisonous debate’ [eurekastreet.com.au]
    John Warhurst 09 July 2012

    FIFTY YEARS SINCE THE ‘GOULBURN STRIKE’: CATHOLICS AND EDUCATION POLITICS
    An address to the Australian Catholic Historical Society
    Sydney, July 8 2012

    An experienced non-Catholic observer very close to political events, Labor speechwriter and historian Graham Freudenberg, has observed in 1977 that ‘the oldest, deepest, most poisonous debate in Australia has been about government aid to church schools’. Furthermore, thirty-five years ago he offered the damning opinion that: ‘The century old failure of the Catholic Church in Australia to achieve her principal social aim is remarkable testimony to the political incompetence of the bishops’.

    John 23rd was Pope and the second Vatican Council took place from 1962-1965. A large section of the Australian Catholic community was at war with Labor over communism. The politics of the permissive society, in which Catholics played a large part, did not hit Australia till later in the 1960s. Five years earlier Rome had declared that the Catholic Social Studies Movement was not Catholic Action and the Movement lost the formal support of the Church and became the National Civic Council. The Archbishop of Sydney was Norman Gilroy and his auxiliary was James Carroll. Goulburn was part of the Canberra-Goulburn Archdiocese, headed by Archbishop Eris O’Brien.

    The Goulburn ‘Strike’

    Catholic education in the 1960s was in crisis as growing enrolments caused by population growth outran financial resources and school capacity. Very large classes and poor facilities were the norm. There were even rumblings of the church restructuring its commitment to education in some way, perhaps even dispensing with one or more levels of Catholic education. Yet the schools received little or no government funding and progress in attaining state funding was moving at a glacial pace. What support there was came indirectly from state governments in the form of bursaries and assistance with teacher training.

    Some of the opposition was philosophical but some was personal. Sectarianism in society (that is anti-Catholicism and in return anti-Protestantism) was rampant and consequently the governments and political parties were extremely cautious about tackling this issue. They regarded state aid as electoral suicide because it would generate more opposition than support. Catholics were a big minority but a minority nonetheless. Catholics within the main political parties, including premiers and prime ministers, had proved impotent on the issue over many years. Most Catholics supported the Labor Party but the 1950s Labor Split, weak though it was in NSW, had produced the Democratic Labor Party and begun the long road for Catholics away from Labor. Catholic lay militancy was in the air, though the bishops were locked into traditional forms of advocacy.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Are they ever, I’m following a few European forums (history and tech stuff) and you couldn’t believe the viciousness of some people, sometimes about quite innocent subjects.

    Oh yes I would. I’ve spent long enough in and around academia and media to see that.
    I’ve concluded it’s rife there, but occurs everywhere in social life; some malign part of human nature.

    Social media has amplified it and removed it from the usual forms of retribution and redress.

  137. OldOzzie

    For Cat Engineers and lovers of Construction

    just watched on Fetch TV The Leaning Tower of Abu Dhabi/ Megastructures (National Geographic)

    47 Mins – worth watching on youtube link above

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Eastern States Cats should note that Tom Percy QC has a lifetime reputation of being the go-to lawyer if you are in serious trouble.

    Tom Percy manged to overturn the 1963 manslaughter conviction of one John Button, and, in 2005, he had the 1959 conviction of Darryl Beamish quashed – Beamish was originally sentenced to be hanged for the murder of Gillian Brewer. He’s also worked on Schapelle Corby’s appeal – all three cases “pro bono.”

  139. Ivan Denisovich

    He said it was his view that the judicial system in Victoria was not set up to give Pell a fair trial because a judge-alone trial was not an option.

    “Pell had to take his chances with a jury selected at random from a community that had been subjected to several years of vitriolic media — not just about his case but the potential guilt of any number of Catholic clerics around the country and around the world,” Mr Percy said.

    Perhaps even some in Labor are embarrassed by this witch-hunt:

    “Coincidentally, two days after Cardinal Pell was convicted on December 11, 2018, Victoria’s attorney-general announced that the State Government was considering the option of judge-only trials of highly prominent people,” Mr Westmore said.

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=58453

    Would a judge-only trial be an improvement in Victoria, though? :

    http://www.vexnews.com/battle-of-the-biases-hulls-v-debus-who-is-the-lefts-fave/

  140. Would a judge-only trial be an improvement in Victoria, though?

    If I was charged with rogering Dan’s poodle, I would definitely opt for a jury.
    Your chances with a judge would be pretty slim.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The best thing is to put legs on your anger and buy stuff from the institutions set up to help these people.

    Agree. We try to do that in our travels in poorer countries. Gave a solid financial contribution in US$ to an orphanage in Kenya that was doing good works reuniting mothers with their abandoned babies, and purchased a very fine zebra print tote bag made by these mothers in their sewing group that funds them. Our tour company (paid by us) also purchased our lunch from their kitchen. Small things, and somewhat smacks of virtue signaling, but when you are there you see how it counts.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Your chances with a judge would be pretty slim.

    Don’t have a reference, but, at the time of the Lloyd Rayney trial, for the murder of his wife, the statistic was quoted that a judge will convict in 60% of cases, a jury will acquit in 60% of cases.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    I came home with some lovely items made by severely handicapped people. It obviously doesn’t make things right, but it puts much needed cash into the system, and bolsters pride in work.

    There is a squad of gardeners who turn up in our street every week, obviously with various levels of disability.
    Clearly the organisation has negotiated to do 4 or 5 lawns in the street at once every week.
    They pile out of a couple of dual cabs like a SWAT team and go to it. Specialization is their thing. Some do whipper-snipping, some do mowing and some man the blower-vacs.
    Then they load up the gear, pile into the utes and off.
    Simple work but it is done properly.

  144. Nick

    There is a squad of gardeners who turn up in our street every week, obviously with various levels of disability.

    Yarra City Council employees

  145. Geriatric Mayfly

    For Cat Engineers and lovers of Construction

    There’s another one of those somewhere, of an ever upwards multi storey in an earthquake zone (Taiwan maybe) They placed this massive, humungous pendulum affair in the upper section, to syncopate with the swaying action and stabilise the building. My complete ignorance of physics leads me to believe that the weight of this monster would make the building top heavy.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    There is a squad of gardeners who turn up in our street every week, obviously with various levels of disability.

    Yarra City Council employees

    Nick … they go to it hammer and tongs with all of them doing something, so decidedly not Yarra CC employees.

  147. more options for the sub naming competition:

    porcupine
    porkupine
    [two sure winners there]
    rapine
    supine
    vulpine

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Bolt’s civil trial was before a judge alone, so …

  149. calli

    Virtue Signalling is when you make noises with the expectation that others pick up the tab. I can’t imagine anyone here doing that. 🙂

    Spend your money on good quality artisan products, don’t haggle like a moron, watch them making their goods and compliment them by saying how good they look and buying.

    I love my beautiful duck egg lacquer work coasters and get them out on special occasions. The red, black and cream of them makes me feel happy and festive, and I remember the young man who made them with perfect precision despite his affliction. Wonderful stuff.

  150. feelthebern

    Larry David is one the funniest performers I have ever seen.
    Watching some B grade movie called Clear History.
    It’s like a 90 Curb your enthusiasm.
    The black dude from CYE is in the movie too.

  151. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am an inveterate swiper of all of the small free hair and body cosmetics delivered daily to upmarket hotel rooms. Hairy thinks I am mad; buy some full size if you want more, he says, looking at my increasingly big bag of ‘stuff’ garnered on our African trip. OK, I’ll offer it to the orphanage mother’s group, I replied, but he was immediately against that, saying it would be insulting and condescending to do so. Nevertheless, seeing how little they had of anything, I did offer it, lugging it with me the next day in the tour bus, and having a quiet word on the side to the supervisor about it. She was thrilled to have it. It was poured over with ohs and ahs by the two women selling their bags, who said these little luxuries would be a useful incentive to some of the mothers to continue with their program of personal improvement. They said most of these young girls, some as young as fourteen, had rarely received anything ‘special’ for themselves.

    So now I carry big bottles of shampoo and conditioner to the Olympic pool with me for our weekly laps.

  152. OldOzzie

    Ok, time to get some culture in my life as I age.

    1. Start to read about Opera in the The New Grove Dictionary of Opera is an encyclopedia of opera, considered to be one of the best general reference sources on the subject. It is the largest work on opera in English, and in its printed form, amounts to 5,448 pages in four volumes. – purchased in the 90s and haven’t read yet.

    2. Install Brand-New Roku Ultra (4661) 4K HDR Streaming Player JBL Edition 2019 + AU Power! – which required upgrade from 4 port Ethernet switch to 8 port to fit into my entertainment complex

    Why?

    Have decided to take an annual subscription to Met Opera on Demand

    Met Opera on Demand is the online streaming service that allows users to watch and listen to more than 600 Met performances over the internet.

    This online streaming catalog includes HD videos (from the Met’s award-winning Live in HD series of worldwide cinema transmissions), classic telecasts (standard-definition videos that were originally broadcast live on television from 1977-2003), and radio broadcast (audio-only) performances dating back to 1935 (from the Met’s long-running series of Saturday matinee radio broadcasts as well as more recent satellite radio broadcasts.)

    Subscribers to Met Opera on Demand enjoy unlimited access, anywhere in the world, to everything available through the service. Met Opera on Demand is now available and accessible on many of the most popular device and platforms, including: computers (desktop or laptop, directly through the Met website), tablets (iPad and Android), mobile phones (iPhone and Android), Roku, Samsung Smart TV, and Apple TV (app available for 4th gen devices and AirPlay in the free Met Opera on Demand iOS app for older models.)

    Having tried a one time rental of HD 2009 Carmen – Richard Eyre’s stunning new production of Bizet’s opera was the talk of the town when it was unveiled on New Year’s Eve 2009. Elīna Garanča leads the cast as the iconic gypsy of the title and watched it on my wife’s iMac (she can be very possessive about use of her iMac), had 2 options when going to subscription – iMac to front room OLED TV (Wife’s TV with Foxtel but I am allowed to watch F1 on Foxtel Sport) using mini display to HDMI to mirror screen or go the whole hog and purchase ROKU and set up with my existing Big Screen OLED Entertainment in Lounge Room – have gone with Roku option.

    Aim to set up tomorrow and also aim to watch 2 performances a week with my wife

  153. stackja

    Are all judges the same?
    Probably not. The selection of the judge again probably decides.
    With Pell, only Judge Kidd?

  154. Geriatric Mayfly

    Met Opera on Demand

    Would love to have that OldOzzie, but cannot follow your hi-tech explanatory memorandum. Simply put – how do you get it and emma chizitt?

    Have bought many of their DVDs which are superb. If my gear cannot handle the advances in technology, might have to stick with same.

  155. OldOzzie

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2948500, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    For Cat Engineers and lovers of Construction

    There’s another one of those somewhere, of an ever upwards multi storey in an earthquake zone (Taiwan maybe) They placed this massive, humungous pendulum affair in the upper section, to syncopate with the swaying action and stabilise the building. My complete ignorance of physics leads me to believe that the weight of this monster would make the building top heavy.

    Geriatric Mayfly

    Taipei 101 Documentary

  156. Mark A

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2948500, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    For Cat Engineers and lovers of Construction

    There’s another one of those somewhere, of an ever upwards multi storey in an earthquake zone (Taiwan maybe) They placed this massive, humungous pendulum affair in the upper section, to syncopate with the swaying action and stabilise the building. My complete ignorance of physics leads me to believe that the weight of this monster would make the building top heavy.

    Not at all, having a heavy weight at top does not mean “top heavy“.
    It’s centre located, ie. in a neutral position.

    Can’t explain it better, but look at top heavy buildings an stuff on the net and you’ll see the difference.
    Pictures rule!

  157. mh

    pete m
    #2948478, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:12 pm
    I just wish more horses were in the races Winx has won as it tarnishes her wonderful record racing against 7 instead of 12 plus….

    I would say the numbers don’t tarnish her record. But I would say that the fact that all of the runners bar one in today’s Chipping Norton being stablemates of Winx means the race didn’t add too much to her record.

    I didn’t watch it though, but l suspect it was very predictable.

  158. JC

    Bern

    The black dude is funnier than David at times. He’s a ref from hurricane Katrina who simply stayed on and won’t leave. Larry also likes having him around.

  159. OldOzzie

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2948511, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    Met Opera on Demand

    Would love to have that OldOzzie, but cannot follow your hi-tech explanatory memorandum. Simply put – how do you get it and emma chizitt?

    Emma Chizit – Easy – USD $149.99/year with our unlimited subscription plan – currently AUD $211.87

    How do you get it – go to

    Technical Questions
    What are the basic system requirements for accessing Met Opera on Demand?

    But even that does not tell you how to do it – I have LG Smart TV but playing with direct app to TV could not get to work, hence decision to go with Roko – could easily do iMac mirrored to TV but prefer on my Big Screen OLED TV

  160. mh

    Desperate Dems:

    When asked what her message to President Donald Trump is, Pelosi said, “Mr. President, do the country a favor, don’t run,” Pelosi said in the video interview.”

  161. Mark A

    mh
    #2948514, posted on March 2, 2019 at 5:05 pm


    I didn’t watch it though, but l suspect it was very predictable.

    I think at the 200m and before you’d be hard pressed to pass an oat seed, if you had serious money on it.

  162. Zippy,
    Thanks for the Tommy Robinson videos – I chucked him 50 knicker just to help.
    Unfortunately I’m still on the Wednesday thread and not catching up yet.

  163. mh

    How many lengths behind Happy Clapper was she at the 200m?

  164. calli

    Good work, Lizzie!

    The other thing…new items with the swing tag still on them. Most children in the Third World never get new stuff.

  165. stackja

    How many trainers want their horses only seeing Winx from behind?
    How many horses might fail to leave the barrier. One comes to mind.

  166. OldOzzie

    1700 – time for a Glass of Cape Mentelle Margaret River 2017 Sauvignon Blanc Semillion watching Last Nights BBC Latest “Death in Paradise” recorded on Fetch TV Mighty Box

  167. gingerbeer

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2948500, posted on March 2, 2019 at 4:41 pm
    For Cat Engineers and lovers of Construction

    There’s another one of those somewhere, of an ever upwards multi storey in an earthquake zone (Taiwan maybe) They placed this massive, humungous pendulum affair in the upper section, to syncopate with the swaying action and stabilise the building. My complete ignorance of physics leads me to believe that the weight of this monster would make the building top heavy.

    Quite a few of them in various locations –

  168. Eyrie

    Confused Old Misfit
    “#2948331, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    Uncontrolled barking, once notified, should also be regarded as assault the next time it happens.”

    I quite agree. Most jurisdictions have penalties for humans that make too much noise. Apply the same if the humans animals (I include cats and 2 AM caterwauling) disturb the peace.
    Cats and dogs should be subject to a curfew and kept inside at night although I’d say I’ve been woken up by gratuitous barking dogs vs cats caterwauling about 1000:1 .

    bespoke “Not if the dog stays on private land.”
    uh -huh so as long as the bloke with the rifle in his hand standing in his front yard doesn’t step off his land all is OK?
    The damned noise from the dog doesn’t stay on the private land anyway. How nice for you that the dogs have prevented incursions. Too bad about the neighbours. Keep the fucking things indoors at night and make sure the noise doesn’t go off your property.

  169. stackja

    Bowman said Winx just went.

  170. gingerbeer

    Bugger – link not showing.

    Search ‘tuned mass damper’ on Wikipedia.

  171. Rockdoctor

    Entropy
    #2948431, posted on March 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    Cooper Basin in S.A. has onshore oil reserves as well. When I was working for Linc the Rigs at Arkeringa inadvertently found oil… We were looking for Coal.

  172. mh

    Unless Bowman had trouble getting into the clear – and if he did that is a bad ride – it shows just how confident he is on the ability of Winx to have her that far behind at the 200.

    Pace can catch them out though. I remember Beadman totally misjudging Lonhro’s final ride.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    How many trainers want their horses only seeing Winx from behind?

    If I were a male horse I wouldn’t mind seeing Winx from behind.
    Maybe she only has to be faster than the other fillies.
    The stallions all follow her and the fillies all follow them.

  174. Mark A

    mh
    #2948532, posted on March 2, 2019 at 5:22 pm

    Unless Bowman had trouble getting into the clear – and if he did that is a bad ride – it shows just how confident he is on the ability of Winx to have her that far behind at the 200.

    Pace can catch them out though. I remember Beadman totally misjudging Lonhro’s final ride.

    He was in the clear but 1 to 2 wide all the way.

    Happy’s rider tried to pull a fast one and went early and hard, had about 10 len. on them at one stage, obviously not enough with Winx in the race.

    I remember a stayer years ago, pulling the same stunt, went hard early and beat the field home by a len. at huge odds. Done it a couple of times until the rest caught on.

    Can’t remember its name but made some dough backing it.

  175. The Beer Whisperer

    Apologies Beery for not paying the piece any attention. I assumed it was just Annie wandering off the reservation (again).

    No worries, Percy. It’s most likely just vanilla sucking up to the Clintons, but Downer appears to have gone the extra mile.

    I know Rex from Twitter and http://www.quodverum.com, and he’s not a Q follower or conspiracist, but there is definitely something going on.

  176. Nick

    Beery, I asked a mate if f mine who I think is a spook and he went quiet when I mentioned five eyes. Could be a coincidence.

  177. mh

    Sounds like a good race. Well done to Happy Clapper’s team for having a plan.

  178. GlendaH

    Mark A

    Vo Rogue was one and Scotch and Dry in 1972 Hotham Hcp

  179. Stimpson J. Cat

    to these men of white privilege and power.

    Hold Up.

  180. Has Tony Abbott been charged with being a catholic yet?
    If not, why not?

  181. Nick

    Can’t be too long before Abbott is the victim of a spurious accusation

  182. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can’t be too long before Abbott is the victim of a spurious accusation

    Can you sue a person for eating a raw onion in TV and while watching it your eyes actually water?
    Asking for a friend.

  183. Mark A

    GlendaH
    #2948538, posted on March 2, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Mark A

    Vo Rogue was one and Scotch and Dry in 1972 Hotham Hcp

    Happy memories, my dad had to put the bets on for me then.
    How time flies.

  184. egg_

    more options for the sub naming competition:

    Boaty McSuppository

  185. Thank God – Finally off the Wednesday OT.

  186. Dr Fred Lenin

    Memories , , Vo Rogue good horse ,wasnt Vic Rail the trainer? I was in the racing game then when Rail died of some disease , a guy who knew him said his place was a filthy tip and he died on a disease due to the unclean conditions ,dont know how true this is but sounds plaseable

  187. mh

    Johna Martinez-Meth, 46, was sentenced to two years in prison for smuggling meth to an inmate who later died from the drugs. (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation)

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-woman-named-meth-sentenced-for-supplying-meth-that-killed-inmate

  188. Geriatric Mayfly

    Boaty McSuppository

    And after? PinoClean

  189. rickw

    The Lebs must have been getting some practice. Normally plenty of shots fired and no one hit. Last night two hit and one dead.

    Apparently “gun violence” is on the rise.

  190. Geriatric Mayfly

    MARK SCHLIEBS
    At least nine Australians are believed­ to have been captured in Syria by US-backed forces fighting what’s left of Islamic State.

    A ticker tape parade through Lakemba, stopping at Centrelink, will take away the shame.

  191. Peter

    Who will be surprised at any gratuitous taunts directed at George Pell in the Mardi Gras tonight?

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    Who will be surprised at any gratuitous taunts directed at George Pell in the Mardi Gras tonight?

    They should have access to plenty of little boys to make it realistic. If not, rent a few out.

  193. rickw

    A ticker tape parade through Lakemba, stopping at Centrelink, will take away the shame.

    Useless Kurds, you can never rely on them to carry out summary executions when you really need them to.

    10 years and this filth will have been leveraged into marching on ANZAC day by the ABC.

  194. bespoke

    Eyrie
    #2948527, posted on March 2, 2019 at 5:17 pm .
    bespoke “Not if the dog stays on private land.”
    uh -huh so as long as the bloke with the rifle in his hand standing in his front yard doesn’t step off his land all is OK?
    The damned noise from the dog doesn’t stay on the private land anyway. How nice for you that the dogs have prevented incursions. Too bad about the neighbours. Keep the fucking things indoors at night and make sure the noise doesn’t go off your property.

    Calm down. Again I support prosecuting bad owners and I don’t own a Rottie or anything similar and my dog is kept indoors at night. But screw your hysterics if my dog stops incursions then tuff. Stay safe in the retirement village I hope the neighbours aren’t to noisy.

  195. egg_

    Gawd, The Heights laying it on thick about the crippled hawt chick.

  196. egg_

    the Mardi Gras tonight

    Are they holding it in Lakemba this year?

  197. MatrixTransform

    gratuitous taunts directed at George Pell in the Mardi Gras tonight?

    Isnt P.ell just deplorable but … Safe Schools, un-gender everything, cross dressing Olympics rocks.

    Drinking straws killing the turtles but … meh Coles Stickies are so cool

    Ride a bike from inner city to Mega Office to save the planet … but summer holidays skiing in Japan. How cool is that?

  198. MatrixTransform

    But screw your hysterics if my dog stops incursions then tuff

    For years I had a Blue Heeler Insurance policy.

    …because dogs go whacko for schmackoes

  199. Entropy:

    Do you think anyone gives serious thought to having North Queensland it’s own state, Rockdoctor?

    It would cost them, sure, but at least give denizens control of their own destiny, something they don’t get from a Brisbane and Canberra.

    No.
    Run the NT/SA border across to the coast and secede from Australia.*
    That way we get to chuck out the bloated carcass of Brisbane.
    All the bureaucracy can go take a big leap into NSW.
    The new country of Northstralia can decide to severely limit unemployment benefits, the Aboriginal industry, immigration benefits, bring back the death penalty for murder, allow hunting of crocs, take control of the education department by abolishing it and setting up a voucher system. Build four new HELE coal plants and sell the electricity to the Mexicans when their power goes out.
    Too many benefits to count, but at least we’d be in control of the place.
    I can be flexible on this – perhaps just carve Brisbane out.

  200. For years I had a Blue Heeler Insurance policy.

    I had one for a while. Didn’t bark much. People he didn’t like, he showed them his teeth and growled.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Who will be surprised at any gratuitous taunts directed at George Pell in the Mardi Gras tonight?

    What Pell is accused of is very common practice in their community.

  202. stackja

    Notafan
    #2948552, posted on March 2, 2019 at 6:03 pm
    Hendra virus

    Protected species.

  203. egg_

    Project Lyra, a Mission to Chase Down that Interstellar Asteroid

    Hunting down Oo-mow-ma-mow-mow:

    It was also determined to be rocky and metal rich, and to contain traces of tholins – organic molecules that have been irradiated by UV radiation

  204. stackja

    Out-of-control bushfires in Bunyip State Park and Dargo
    Alanah Frost, Grant McArthur, Herald Sun
    March 2, 2019 4:56pm

    Three bushfires in the state’s east are currently burning out of control, as more emergency warnings are issued for threatened communities.

    Residents in Budgeree, Budgeree East, Grand Ridge, Jeeralang, Jumbuk and Yinnar South are being warned their communities could be hit by fire at any stage within the next six hours.

    A relief centre has been opened at Kernot Hall in Morwell for anyone leaving the area.

    At 1.30pm an emergency update for the areas warned residents to leave now, as conditions will soon become too dangerous, with a fire burning out of control 1.8km from Yinnar South.

    While the blaze is currently moving in a south and easterly direction towards Grand Ridge area, it is expected to turn in a westerly direction later today when conditions change.

    A total fire ban has been declared for Victoria from midnight. It will operate for 24 hours.

  205. Elle

    What Pell is accused of is very common practice in their community.

    I don’t believe Pell did what he is accused of.

    I don’t know if Pell is gay or straight.

    My gay friends and family members do not have sex with underage boys.

    Nor do my heterosexual friends and family members have sex with underage girls.

  206. Gab

    Would anyone tell their friends or relatives if they had sex with underage boys?

  207. 1735099

    I had one for a while. Didn’t bark much. People he didn’t like, he showed them his teeth and growled.

    I’ve owned four in my lifetime.
    Our current Heeler will let people he doesn’t like in, but he won’t let them out.
    They’re smart and intensely loyal, but are suspicious of strangers. He never barks, but does try to talk.

  208. Eyrie

    “But screw your hysterics if my dog stops incursions then tuff.”
    Typical inconsiderate dog owner and a perfect example of why we need better controls on dogs.

  209. Elle

    Would anyone tell their friends or relatives if they had sex with underage boys?

    Would anyone tell their friends or relatives if they had sex with underage girls?
    Who are the perpetrators of sexual abuse of underage girls? Gay men? No. Heterosexual men.
    Let’s not focus on that though.

  210. bespoke

    What part “I support prosecuting bad owners” do you not understand, Eyrie?

  211. bespoke

    Our current Heeler will let people he doesn’t like in, but he won’t let them out.

    A socialist dog?

  212. Eyrie:

    Dogs also are the prime cause of noise pollution in suburbia. If people are going to live near each other there must be some rules. I’m good with rules that say I’m allowed to shoot any dog that barks, barks at me, rushes the fence when I pass by on public land, menaces me (I was not that long ago menaced by an improperly secured Rotty) etc.

    I don’t get near enough walking exercise just because of this. I’ve been bailed up several times by dogs big enough to step over fences, the cacophony of barking, screeching dogs that can be heard two blocks away, and damn near constant threat of treading in barkers nests.
    I want to carry a handheld cattle prod to let them know to piss off, but they’re illegal.

  213. Carbon Emitter

    What are you trying to say Elle?

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our current Heeler will let people he doesn’t like in, but he won’t let them out.

    I won’t be visiting you anytime soon then, Numbers. 🙂

  215. Gab

    Would anyone tell their friends or relatives if they had sex with underage girls?

    The same answer as to my question applies: no. In both cases.

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What are you trying to say Elle?

    Pretty obvious, I would have thought. Focus on the bad wherever you find it.
    There are no identity politics to be played here.

  217. Leigh Lowe

    Our current Heeler will let people he doesn’t like in, but he won’t let them out.

    Understandable.
    Probably craving intelligent human conversation.

  218. Infidel Tiger

    My gay friends and family members do not have sex with underage boys.

    Well that’s a relief.

    But it doesn’t change the fact that their is a significant sub-culture in the gay community who target teens.

    Ask Bryan Singer and his Hollywood pals.

  219. dover_beach

    Who are the perpetrators of sexual abuse of underage girls? Gay men? No. Heterosexual men.
    Let’s not focus on that though.

    And lesbians. Let’s not forget one of the V monologues is about the seduction of a young girl by an adult woman.

  220. Infidel Tiger

    interview with Buffet from early this week. It is 2 hrs long!

    A lot of chat that BH is in signifanct trouble.

  221. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And lesbians. Let’s not forget one of the V monologues is about the seduction of a young girl by an adult woman.

    Gosh, is it? I’ve never read or seen them.
    Yes, predatory lezzos need to be included in the bad. They do exist.

  222. Snoopy

    I’m amazed that law enforcement agencies investigating the sexual abuse of children have no qualms employing gay activists.

  223. Frank

    Would anyone tell their friends or relatives if they had sex with underage boys?

    Old queens have been known to brag about their exploits in SE Asian destinations when they get tipsy. A lot of those boys that plied their trade on the wall in Sydney looked pretty young too.

    Presumably the straight ones just go for their daughters more.

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