Open Forum: March 2, 2019

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  1. 1735099

    Every Nauruan parasite can get to different Oz hospitals by magic

    They won’t be sent to Oz. The medical facilities at Christmas Island have been reopened.
    Never let the facts get in the way of a good dog-whistle.

  2. Arky

    On the evolutionary road

    Evolution is shit.

  3. Roger

    ABC approving of the co-option of children by Sydney’s homosexualist “Mardi Gras.”

    What can you say?

  4. struth

    I’ll tell you specifically where you can find the slippery dishonesty of Numbers just today.

    He wouldn’t answer questions about why gunmen in the states head for gun free zones to carry out mass shootings, and not attack heavily armed establishments.
    He decided to ignore the question.
    He knows why, if he answered, we’d have him, so he just ignores it.
    That’s the evil, right there.
    He’s not searching for reasoned debate.

    Many of us take on Numbers in the hope there are many more like you, William, and in that way, he does us a good deed by being here.

  5. min

    I was in Rhodesia. Just after Smith left It had started to become a shitheap as soon as Mugabe got in . There are 2 major tribes there Matabele , Mugabe’s lot and the other the name I have forgotten ,Then the other tribe had to pay school fees, farmers could only take out £400 and there was still killings going on . We could not travel on tproad between Bulaweyo and Vic Falls. Zimbabwe soon became a basket case.

  6. DrBeauGan

    Nick
    #2949487, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:23 pm
    BG, I spoke to a Catholic friend of mine who was smirking about what a Left wing priest had said at mass. I defended Pell, her lack of concern or regard for the facts was amazing. Ignorance about the second accuser, generally, is amazing.

    I told my quack what I thought horribly obvious, that the conviction was unsafe.

    The Catholic church, like other churches, has been infiltrated by lefties. And the lack of regard for Truth and Justice has followed. It’s not going to change back soon, alas.

    Tinta, the betrayal of Irish Catholics by the church has made a generation susceptible to lefty values. I think there has to be a turning point somewhere in the future, but we sure are copping it currently.

  7. stackja

    UN decided UDI was not legal. Ian Smith lived to see vindication.

  8. 1735099

    I would not like to be living in Sweden, Norway, or any other country that believed in the Cumbaya nonsense

    The OECD rates Norway and Sweden as amongst the top ten countries in the world in terms of quality of life.

  9. I was in Rhodesia. Just after Smith left It had started to become a shitheap as soon as Mugabe got in .

    Socialists and Marxists always fuck things up.

    Always.
    It’s in their DNA

  10. Shy Ted

    Usually record the last 15 minutes of Insiders to catch the crap cartoons, the crap presenter and reassure myself the ABC hasn’t stopped bunging money to their leftie mates at The Guardian. I’d love to say could there be a worse presenter than Mike Bowers but then his co-presenter who’s trying his hand at private enterprise on a Ch10 quiz show, whom Fitzsimmons says is a comedian, is just that man. more wooden than Pinocchio.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There are 2 major tribes there Matabele , Mugabe’s lot and the other the name I have forgotten

    Shona?

  12. Nick

    The Catholic church, like other churches, has been infiltrated by lefties. And the lack of regard for Truth and Justice has followed. It’s not going to change back soon, alas.

    I feel like getting a t shirt made with ‘he wasn’t convicted on the basis of you thinking he’s a canute’. People can’t separate the accusations mad against him from a whole heap of other accusations not related to the case.

  13. cohenite

    The new Ben Santer paper allegedly establishes a gold standard proof of man-made global warming. Santer is a particularly arrogant and science corrupting alarmist.

    Some years ago an infamous paper by 2 other science-corrupting alarmist scientists, foster and rahmstorf did something similar. F&R removed all the natural forcings -volcanoes, solar aerosols etc – to produce the true human influence on climate; unfortunately by applying a trend they reintroduced all the natural forcings and proved humans had no influence on climate.

    Santer’s paper is critiqued here and does almost the same thing. Santer wants to compare the human signal in global warming to the natural comparator. But he detrends the natural factors so we don’t know how much of the global warming trend is made by the natural factors and we’re left with only the alleged human contribution. But since we don’t know what the natural amount is the human factor could be nothing.

    I’ve said it before, climate science is crap.

  14. Roger

    Speaking of facts, what about your understanding the law of non-contradiction, Numbers, as requested earlier?

    I may not get back to you tonight, but will check for a response tomorrow.

  15. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949504, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:39 pm
    On the evolutionary road

    Evolution is shit.

    Thank you for that profound and well reasoned post, Arky.

  16. C.L.

    Vlad’s description of what happened at Corpus Christi is accurate.
    The limp-wristed liberal staff shirt-fronted Pell and said if he insisted on orthodox reforms, they would all resign. Pell point blank accepted all of their resignations on the spot. Then he re-built.

  17. Arky

    If you do find faith BG, for fuck’s sake don’t become Catholic.

    Try any of these:

    Ahmadiyya
    Aladura
    Amish
    Anglicanism
    Asatru
    Assemblies of God
    Atheism
    Baha’i Faith
    Baptists
    Bon
    Buddhism
    Candomble
    Cao Dai
    Cathari
    Charismatic movement
    Chinese Religion
    Christadelphians
    Christian Science
    Christianity
    Church of God
    Church of God in Christ
    Church of Satan
    Confucianism
    Conservative Judaism
    Deism
    Donatism
    Dragon Rouge
    Druze
    Eastern Orthodox Church
    Eckankar
    ELCA
    Epicureanism
    Evangelicalism
    Falun Gong
    Foursquare Church
    Gnosticism
    Greek Religion
    Hare Krishna
    Hasidism
    Hellenic Reconstructionism
    Hinduism
    Illuminati
    Jainism
    Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Judaism
    Kabbalah
    Kemetic Reconstructionism
    Lutheranism
    Mahayana Buddhism
    Mayan Religion
    Methodism
    Mithraism
    Mormonism
    Neopaganism
    New Age
    New Thought
    Nichiren
    Norse Religion
    Olmec Religion
    Oneness Pentecostalism
    Orthodox Judaism
    Pentecostalism
    Presbyterianism
    Priory of Sion
    Protestantism
    Pure Land Buddhism
    Quakers
    Rastafarianism
    Reform Judaism
    Rinzai Zen Buddhism
    Roman Religion
    Satanism
    Scientology
    Seventh-Day Adventism
    Shaivism
    Shi’a Islam
    Shinto
    Sikhism
    Soto Zen Buddhism
    Spiritualism
    Stoicism
    Sufism
    Sunni Islam
    Taoism
    Tendai Buddhism
    Theravada Buddhism
    Tibetan Buddhism
    Typhonian Order
    Umbanda
    Unification Church
    Unitarian Universalism
    Vaishnavism
    Vajrayana Buddhism
    Vedanta
    Vineyard Churches
    Voodoo
    Westboro Baptist Church
    Wicca
    Worldwide Church of God
    Yezidi
    Zen
    Zionism
    Zoroastrianism

  18. Numbers:

    If every single asylum seeker was transferred to hospital in Australia, that would average out to 1 asylum seeker for every 2 hospitals on the mainland.

    Yes.
    They will all go to Wilcannia Hospital.
    Or Fitzroy Crossing…

  19. bespoke

    1735099
    #2949503, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:37 pm
    Every Nauruan parasite can get to different Oz hospitals by magic
    They won’t be sent to Oz. The medical facilities at Christmas Island have been reopened.
    Never let the facts get in the way of a good dog-whistle.

    You complain when people insult you while pulling this dishonest crap, 1735099.

  20. struth

    The OECD rates Norway and Sweden as amongst the top ten countries in the world in terms of quality of life.

    The OECD is not filled with Swedish Blondes being ra-ped.
    Of course the huge increase in Ra-pe all by the sand monkeys being let in doesn’t worry numbers.
    1200 boat people dead, hey as SHY said, shit happens, (with a tear in her eye)

    Here again you see the true evil of the left, and others deaths and rap-es are fine as long as you get to virtue signal.

  21. Arky

    Probably give Satanism and Dragon rouge a miss too.

  22. struth

    Vineyard Churches

    That sounds interesting.

  23. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2949498, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:32 pm
    Shouldn’t think so, Roger. Churches demand faith. My beliefs come from biological and other facts together with logic. I’m hopeless on the faith stuff.

    It was a joke, BG.

    Oh. That’s alright then. So if you are right I should wind up in Hell. The first circle, I hope.

    At least I won’t have to put up with numbers. He’ll be down around level seven, I should think.

  24. Roger

    Vineyard Churches

    That sounds interesting.

    Yeah…nah.

    White wine Pietists.

  25. bespoke

    And agnostic can be all or none, Arky. We have all basses covered with out the hassles.

  26. Boambee John

    2dogs at 2026

    So one best designs a system that turns greed into a useful force.

    Who was it who said something like “It is no use trying to elect only good people. The trick is to set up the system such that bad people will have the incentive to do the right thing”?

  27. Old Lefty

    And to whet Struth’s appetite, there is a French Saint in the Catholic calendar who glories in the name of St Antoine Claret. The order he founded is called the Claretians.

  28. stackja

    Poland Catholic Church destroyed the USSR.

  29. calli

    I like the look of Number 19.

  30. Roger

    Oh. That’s alright then. So if you are right I should wind up in Hell.

    I wouldn’t presume to say, BG.

  31. stackja

    Experts fear we’ll soon be raising illiterate generations as Aussie kids’ speech issues hit worst levels
    Lanai Scarr, Senior Writer, News Corp Australia Network
    March 2, 2019 8:00pm

    Exclusive: An increasing proportion of Australian children could be illiterate within the next generation without urgent action.

    Head of speech and language at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute, Angela Morgan, said Aussie kids’ speech and language skills were the worst they have ever been and we are raising a generation of children who may not be able to read instructions or hold down a job.

    Prof Morgan, who has worked in the sector for 20 years, described the rate of speech issues as at epidemic proportions and said the nation was in “dire straits”.

    “This has gone beyond children with severe needs, we are talking at a population level now,” she said.

    “We will see more children who will be unable to complete basic tasks like reading the instructions to put together a BBQ or even read their medicines.”

  32. struth

    I was thinking of starting a men only church.
    Drinking, gambling and smoking cigars are to be undertaken with religious zeal.

    We will all be called father by the young nymphette nuns in short skirts serving us our Pentecostal dips and crackers.

  33. stackja

    Asylum seekers costing taxpayers $4 million to ride public transport at cut-price rates
    Clarissa Bye, The Daily Telegraph
    33 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    NSW taxpayers are forking out more than $4 million a year for asylum seekers living in the community to ride Sydney’s trains, buses and ferries at cut-price rates.

    The state government scheme grants foreigners who have arrived illegally the same gold Opal card reserved for seniors and aged pensioners.

    The gold card entitles “illegal maritime arrivals” to unlimited train travel for just $2.50 a day, despite the fact that under federal laws, access to social security and family assistance payments are usually restricted to Australian permanent residents or citizens.

    Commuters who lose their Opal card and are seeking a replacement are asked by an automated telephone answering service if they are a “pensioner, senior or asylum seeker”.

  34. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949519, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:50 pm
    If you do find faith BG, for fuck’s sake don’t become Catholic.

    Try any of these:

    I don’t expect to find it until my brain stops working, Arky. Believing things because you want to is very fashionable, but I was trained in physics, and discovered that reality comes along and bites you in the bum if you do that.

    I prefer my bum unbitten by reality. Or anything else, come to that.

  35. Roger

    ABC condemns Pell, but gives a national profile to homosexual rape urger Benjamin Law.

    What can you say?

    Your tax dollars at work, comrades.

  36. struth

    The Holy Church of the BYO ESKY.

    I have already been to a few services, myself, and by god, I’ve found myself praying harder than I ever had later on that night.

    It really works.

  37. stackja

    Western Sydney Airport named after Nancy-Bird Walton, the ‘Angel of the Outback’
    Edward Boyd, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    The Western Sydney Airport at Badgerys Creek is being named after the Nancy-Bird Walton, Australia’s first female pilot who was known as the “Angel of the Outback”.

    The $5.3 billion airport will officially become Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport to honour Mrs Walton, who was born in Kew on the mid north coast of NSW in 1915.

    At age 17 she was taught to fly by Sir Charles Kingsford Smith at his flying school at Mascot and within two years she was the first qualified female commercial pilot in both Australia and the Commonwealth.

    Her successful career in aviation included working for the Royal Far West Children’s Health Scheme, a flying doctors service providing medical transfers to hospital from isolated parts of Australia. It was here that she earned her nickname “Angel of the Outback”.

  38. Pickles

    Paul Murray is a nob but what is the purpose of tha fat little jockey Gleeson?

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Exclusive: An increasing proportion of Australian children could be illiterate within the next generation without urgent action.

    Yes, but they’ll all be well indoctrinated about climate change and social justice issues.

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    Tinta, the betrayal of Irish Catholics by the church has made a generation susceptible to lefty values. I think there has to be a turning point somewhere in the future, but we sure are copping it currently.

    The Catholic Church has copped lots over more than 2000 years – like a pyramid, the top doesn’t happen without the large base and it’s the large base of believers in the message of Jesus Christ who will ensure its survival. It’s always the way, it is the unsung heroes of ordinary life who persist and resist that in the end win the day.

  41. DrBeauGan

    struth
    #2949535, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:02 pm
    I was thinking of starting a men only church.
    Drinking, gambling and smoking cigars are to be undertaken with religious zeal.

    We will all be called father by the young nymphette nuns in short skirts serving us our Pentecostal dips and crackers.

    The first part sounds good, Struth, but I don’t want any young nymphets calling me “father”. It would put me off patting their bottoms. “Brother” would be every bit as bad. I think everyone should call each other “mate”.

  42. Arky

    There are only two main paths Beaugan:
    To believe in something greater and betterer, to imagine and create.
    Or the path of the prosaic. The Mao suit- wearing, literal- minded, boring and turd- coloured.
    The last type leads to death camps and little red books. Almost all the most dismal of people you can imagine on the left have your beliefs in nothing. That should scare the shit out of you.
    That somewhere along the line you became confused that one side consisted of people who really have the attitudes more consistent with tother is down to propaganda.

  43. 2dogs

    asked by an automated telephone answering service if they are a “pensioner, senior or asylum seeker”.

    Seniors who present a gold card may be further asked to prove their entitlement to it, with, say, a Senior’s Card. Otherwise, a person not entitled to such discounted travel could get it by, say, borrowing their granddad’s gold card, or getting him to buy one for them.

    But if such a card is presented by an asylum seeker, what do they present to prove their entitlement?

  44. Nick

    I was thinking of starting a men only church.
    Drinking, gambling and smoking cigars are to be undertaken with religious zeal.

    I’m a member of one of those male member only clubs that the femmos hate. It’s a bit like what you describe crossed with something that Monty Burns would like. Excellent.

  45. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Jihadists irate as ISIS ‘leader’ does a runner in the desert

    By The Times
    The Times
    37 minutes ago March 3, 2019
    6 Comments

    ISIS fighters are furious their leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, appears to have melted into the desert rather than take part in their last stand for the caliphate.

    As advancing forces close in on the last sliver of ISIS territory — an area of about 1.3sq km in the Syrian Euphrates valley — surrendering fighters have spoken of their anger at the absent ISIS leader.

    Interviews with ISIS members, local leaders and Western officials reveal a deep internal disenchantment with the so-called caliph, resulting in schisms within the jihadist group.

    “He’s hiding somewhere,” said Mohammed Ali, a Canadian ISIS fighter captured by the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). “People were angry.”

    Several local, regional and Western officials confirmed Baghdadi was not thought to be in the last patch of ISIS territory. Though his exact location in unknown, officials believe he could be in Anbar, a desert province in Iraq where prominent ISIS members have family links.

    Since declaring himself leader of the caliphate in a filmed 2014 speech in Mosul’s al-Hadba mosque, Baghdadi has not appeared in any more ISIS videos. Instead he has released several rambling audio messages urging his followers to remain strong

    Coming soon, to a Centerlink near you…

  46. Hay Stockard

    William,
    Numbers has been polluting central and rightish blogs for ages. He is the smartest man in the room, of course.
    He is quite the jackbooted totalitarian too.
    He blames “the Man” for his fellow leftists calling him a baby killer at Teachers College.
    When given an opportunity to do a guest post he uses it to flog his book and try and get people to read his blog.
    He is not above asking the bloggers he drops his effluence around for jobs for his immediate family.
    He did serve in a battalion in Viet Nam but has latterly taken the position that he did not volunteer to go there. This was 50:odd years ago. He couldn’t tell the difference between an M16 and an MMG firing but maintains he is the only one here who went to war.
    I scroll by him. Every post of his is about him anyway. Boring prick that he is.

  47. Top Ender

    Was on a conference panel with Malcolm Fraser once – about three years before the great man went off the big paddock in the sky.

    He was extremely negative about the USA. I managed to get in that if it wasn’t for the USA we’d be likely speaking Japanese now. I got a severe haughty look.

  48. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949543, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:09 pm
    Reality is shit.

    You’re in with the PoMo crowd, there then Arky.

    What was it? “Reality is for those who can’t handle drugs.”

  49. Black Ball

    Struth, in your casino, are we able to smoke cigars and shoot people a la Wild West? For the crime of holding aces up one’s sleeve?

  50. MatrixTransform

    Not a chance then.

    the only criteria you have for that assumption is that my spelling is better during the day

  51. MatrixTransform

    i said sPELLing … did you see that?

  52. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949546, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:18 pm
    There are only two main paths Beaugan:
    To believe in something greater and betterer, to imagine and create.
    Or the path of the prosaic. The Mao suit- wearing, literal- minded, boring and turd- coloured.
    The last type leads to death camps and little red books. Almost all the most dismal of people you can imagine on the left have your beliefs in nothing. That should scare the shit out of you.
    That somewhere along the line you became confused that one side consisted of people who really have the attitudes more consistent with tother is down to propaganda.

    There are lots of things grander and better than me, Arky. I’d have to be blind not to notice. If you find reality prosaic, you haven’t met much of it.

  53. bespoke

    There are lots of things grander and better than me

    Well thank you. I take Bunnings cads as tribute.

  54. mh

    A week or so ago, Numbers described Pres Trump’s comment about “Grab them by the pussy” as “Grab them by the vagina”. Technically possible perhaps in a doctor’s surgery, but pussy is most probably a reference to a vulva, not a vagina.

    Numbers was being a bit of a painful pedant about commas and apostrophes at the time, so I got a bit pedantic with him. I do it again whenever his pedantry becomes painful, which is often.

    I got picked up by Lizzie for using the term ‘vag’ in the wrong context, which I thought was pedantic and undeserved. I was talking about young Jap men being scared off by a non-pixilated vag. I’ll always be a vag man.

    Whereas I now understand Numbers deserves the pedantry as he is such a pedantic twat himself. Not literally a twat, mind.

  55. bespoke

    cads

    Spelling is a social construct.

  56. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The formerly-unmentionable George Pell is on Wikipedia’s front page.

  57. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #2949559, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:33 pm
    There are lots of things grander and better than me

    Well thank you. I take Bunnings cads as tribute.

    😊

    I am, of course, smitten by awe at your wonderfulness, bespoke, but you’ll just have to make do with that. I don’t do tribute.

  58. MatrixTransform

    Norway and Sweden

    something of a benefit to have oodles of oil and capability in hi-tech weaponry production

  59. cohenite

    Paul Murray is a nob but what is the purpose of tha fat little jockey Gleeson?

    Gleeson is alright; he thinks alarmism is bullshit and hates the abc.

  60. Arky

    If you find reality prosaic, you haven’t met much of it.

    I have met all of it. Its crap.
    No one is standing in line with tickets to watch grass grow, a lactating mouse or a hedgehog taking a dump.

  61. cohenite

    When given an opportunity to do a guest post he uses it to flog his book and try and get people to read his blog.

    That grub got a guest post; FMD.

  62. Arky

    Reality.
    Pah!
    If you had the choice between standing around in a maternity ward while your spouse gives birth, as is the requirement of the new puritans, or being in a nice lounge with a cigar swapping fictions with jolly friends and awaiting the news, which would you choose?
    Prosaic, awkward reality, or fine fictions in the presence of fine fellows?

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Never watch 60 Minutes.
    Did tonight because nought else on.
    One of the genuinely funny conversationalists (as distinct from a one-liner comedian) Ricky Gervais was on.
    Interviewed by some fucking nonentity (Woolley???) who trampled all over him with Tony Jones interruptions and was obsessed about how much money he had.

    Fuck, Australian television is embarrassing.

  64. MatrixTransform

    Fuck, Australian television is embarrassing.

    well, to be fair … look at their subject matter

  65. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949566, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:41 pm
    If you find reality prosaic, you haven’t met much of it.

    I have met all of it. Its crap.
    No one is standing in line with tickets to watch grass grow, a lactating mouse or a hedgehog taking a dump.

    Your problem, Arky, is that you are as shallow as R^2. Find out how a single leaf on a tree works as an incredibly complicated chemical plant. Find out how a stalk of grass grows up and not down. Look at your daughter and see how she came from a clump of cells to her present and future beauty. Look up at the stars at night, and reflect on the immensity of the physical universe and its grandeur.

    When you can do that, you won’t be tempted by chairman Mao.

  66. Arky

    Seen it, seen it, seen it.

  67. struth

    Struth, in your casino, are we able to smoke cigars and shoot people a la Wild West? For the crime of holding aces up one’s sleeve?

    Do you really have to ask?
    In the Holy Church of the Single Malt and BYO Esky, you’ll be able to shoot people for bad breath.

  68. Arky

    Seen it, taught it, forgotten more shit about shit than you have ever probably learnt.
    It’s all shit.

  69. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stop your sooking and go finish your f$cking car Jesus Christ.

  70. MatrixTransform

    you’ll be able to shoot people for bad breath

    with longbows?

  71. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949568, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:46 pm
    Reality.
    Pah!
    If you had the choice between standing around in a maternity ward while your spouse gives birth, as is the requirement of the new puritans, or being in a nice lounge with a cigar swapping fictions with jolly friends and awaiting the news, which would you choose?
    Prosaic, awkward reality, or fine fictions in the presence of fine fellows?

    At the birth of my son, my then wife was in panic and asked the staff to find me and call me to come to her. They couldn’t find me, so I didn’t find out until it was all over. I was working.

    I’ve always bitterly regretted that I wasn’t there when she needed me.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    Fuck, Australian television is embarrassing.

    well, to be fair … look at their subject matter

    Generally true.
    But when presented with someone like Gervais who you just have to throw 3 or 4 short smart questions to get 30 minutes of gold, we provide a fuckwit who tries to upstage him and prove he is a “comedy equal”.

  73. Arky

    I’ve always bitterly regretted that I wasn’t there when she needed me.

    ..
    You didn’t miss anything, that you aren’t the better off for missing.

  74. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949574, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:55 pm
    Seen it, taught it, forgotten more shit about shit than you have ever probably learnt.
    It’s all shit.

    You’re a depressive personality, Arky. Go for a run.

  75. Gab

    Ticket number 19, your chicken parma is ready.

  76. struth

    If you had the choice between standing around in a maternity ward while your spouse gives birth, as is the requirement of the new puritans, or being in a nice lounge with a cigar swapping fictions with jolly friends and awaiting the news, which would you choose?
    Prosaic, awkward reality, or fine fictions in the presence of fine fellows?

    I saw absolutely no need to be standing there in the delivery room.
    You know, the way I see it, I provided the work for all those people in there, so why do I have to supervise as well?

    They should have just thanked me, I would have even given them cigars, and I would have been handed my son, cleaned up , and dignified, later.
    The way he should meet his father.
    Not screaming and covered in blood and guts carrying on like a baby.

  77. MatrixTransform

    At the birth of Unit_B, the bau was in some distress.

    One of the midwives put her hand on my chest and pushed me down into a chair in the birthing centre telling me to shut_the_feck_up.

    She’s 25 now (the bub, not the nurse) … I owe the girl a phone call (just got lectured about that by Mrs.M)

  78. William

    Beau, what’s your counter to the argument from people like Dostoevsky and Nietzsche that, absent God and immortality, anything goes?

  79. Arky

    Struth gets it.
    He has seen enough reality to know you can’t fucking trust it.

  80. bespoke

    132andBush
    #2949502, posted on March 3, 2019 at 8:37 pm
    One of the most beautiful planes ever made that will be retired before the B52.
    Rivals the SR71

    The p38 will always be number one but those two are in the top ten depending on the setting.

  81. MatrixTransform

    tries to upstage him and prove he is a “comedy equal”

    I remember a few years back Roy and HG getting their comedic arses handed to them by that Austen Powers fella.

    bit tragic

  82. BrettW

    I just watched the full interview of Cardinal Pell and it confirms my view that he is innocent of the charges. The interview was conducted by a Detective Sergeant with a Superintendent as a witness. Pell has his solicitor next to him.

    There are a number of issues that jumped out at me and in summary are :
    a) It was very apparent Pell was under the impression the incident happened “after choir” and this seems to be based on information provided to him by the police. In his mind he thought that referred to choir practice. At one point his solicitor looks at a document provided by police and confirms “after choir”. Now it may be that the alleged victim referred to it as after choir but this is very different to after mass especially for Pell who says he had little to do with the choir.

    b) There are multiple times when Pell repeats “after mass” when the Sgt is leading him through the allegation. It is absolutely clear to me that his constant repetition of “äfter mass” is said in an incredulous manner. He simply does not believe it possible. At one point can almost see a smile breaking through as he realises simply not a credible allegation He remains quite calm throughout the interview but his reaction when the actual nature of the assault is put to him is very strong.

    c) The Sergeant indicates the event took place in the Archbishops sacristy. Sgt makes a reference to him finding them “drinking älter wine”. Pell refutes the fact any wine would be kept in his cupboard but in a safe in the priests sacristy. There is actually a time delay at this point when the Sgt gathers his thoughts. The Sgt then does not mention or ask any questions about any words spoken between the three people in the room. This is simply staggering to me. Nothing about him saying they had to be punished or him telling them what to do etc. Not a word.

    e) the Sgt then goes on to say Pell planted himself between the two boys and the door and then abused them. No words spoken here either.

    d) Also staggering is that the so called Detective does not even ask Pell what he was wearing at the time. His clothing not mentioned at all. It is unfortunate that Pell did not explain about his clothing either.

    Just my opinion here but is the lack of some obvious questioning at this important point in the interview because the Sgt has also realised not likely to have happened. There are two pauses here where he is clearly trying to gather his thoughts. Did he have more questions he simply did not ask as was already satisfied ?

    e) Pell then again repeats his point and says “This is in the sacristy after Sunday mass. Need I say anymore ? What a load of garbage and false hood, Deranged falsehood”.

    f) Again when the second “assault” weeks later is raised he again clarifies “after mass” and says “That is good for me as makes it more fantastical”.

    Pell explains in plenty of detail how the Sunday mass was a “big operation” with hundreds of people around including many who would have access to the sacristy.

    How anybody, including a police officer, could believe the allegations as put to him in the interview is just beyond my belief. Bear in mind the multiple witnesses who backed up Pell’s version of how improbable the allegation is.

    I dont recall anybody commenting in detail on this interview. He does more than enough to raise doubt about the allegations. However I recall the way the interview was covered in the Courier Mail. They basically wrote it up as him trying to be a cop and telling them how to investigate. Hadley when commenting on the case also appeared to read out that article and again gave the impression Pell trying to be a cop. This view of the interview is a total distortion of what Pell was saying in the interview. Anybody can see he is trying to make sure the Police investigate properly by going into the mass procedures etc. A key point is his constant questioning of “after mass”.

    How come we have not had experienced former detectives commenting on this interview which is what the jury would have had to form their opinion of Pell from ? Or are there no experienced police willing to stick their neck out ?

    There are many clips of the interview online, some of which are only a few minutes, but I think you have to watch the whole 45 minutes to get the full reaction from Pell and some fairly serious omissions in the questioning by the police.

    Definitely way beyond reasonable doubt for me.

  83. struth

    Then that first green shit, my god.
    No nappy can contain that.
    The ex Mrs Struth got right up me when she saw me wheeling the whole cot outside to squirt him off with the hose.
    In my defence, it was summer.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Here we are just sitting after a leisurely dinner and looking at the teev – a show on the ABC about Australia and the Royalty in historical perspective, called The Crown and Us. I’d asked Hairy to record it. We so rarely watch anything on ABC, and there they were, all the usual suspects, leftist actors and writers and academics, giving their opinion, reading out pieces from Royal letters (quite an eye-opener; we dodged a bullet with Edward VIII in his private letters), while not a soul in contemporary Australian life was brought forward to speak on anything other than republicanism.

    Then we are taken to Woomera with Prince Philip and a female voice over announces that Australia was treated as a colony by the British, simply a nuclear testing ground was the implication, and this voice then say that therefore ‘nuclear testing continued in Australia till 1985’. 1985? The major tests finished in the 50’s and even Wikipedia says only minor blasts continued into the 60’s. Is this their ABC at work with misinformation once more? Anyone know?

  85. Armadillo

    Not screaming and covered in blood and guts carrying on like a baby.

    Exactly. A good mother should only introduce you to him/her after the nappy stuff is finished.

  86. John Constantine

    The evidence is now laid out that in Ireland, the Irish republican army, well resourced, well financed and with unmatched intelligence networks within the Irish community of faithful, did fuck all to protect Irish boys bums from predator priests.

    The backlash against the church in Ireland has a lot to do with the revulsion of the citizens towards the criminal thuggery of the self appointed judges, juries and executioners of the faithful.

    The big men of the old ira are now property developer millionaires profiting from converting churches into mosques to service the incoming millions of Wahhabi house renters being imported from north Africa to boost economic activity.

    Comrades.

  87. MatrixTransform

    Struth has got the Meconium Blues.

    …btw all my kids still giving me sh!t

  88. Armadillo

    There is a window of opportunity to teach kids. Somewhere between 3-4 years old, before the kindergarten teachers start indoctrinating them.

  89. MatrixTransform

    Anyone know?

    Australia was definitely a British Colony

  90. struth

    voice then say that therefore ‘nuclear testing continued in Australia till 1985’. 1985? The major tests finished in the 50’s and even Wikipedia says only minor blasts continued into the 60’s. Is this their ABC at work with misinformation once more? Anyone know?

    Yes.
    Nuclear testing had long finished.
    Woomera experimented with other military aircraft, rockets etc, but not Nuclear tasting up until 1985.
    Could you imagine!!!??

    What a croc.
    Lizzie, that history is on display for anyone to know.
    They have a good little museum right there in Woomera.
    It such a blatant lie that, with the information readily available right there, it’s just incredible.

  91. MatrixTransform

    Brother In Law asked the Old Man how long it takes to get better after just having had their baby for a 6 months.

    Er..um…aww…gets better in about… um…maybe … 20 years

  92. Muddy

    An entertaining thread to read through tonight.

  93. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ve always bitterly regretted that I wasn’t there when she needed me.

    It was great.
    Nothing like hilarious female midwife jokery and japes as the baby has just finished being born and you’ve just cut the umbilical cord
    “Uh oh let’s hope this bleeding stops, no no my mistake its fine literal wink“.
    Good times.
    😂

  94. DrBeauGan

    William
    #2949584, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:05 pm
    Beau, what’s your counter to the argument from people like Dostoevsky and Nietzsche that, absent God and immortality, anything goes?

    It’s crap as far as I’m concerned, William. I had this out with Arky a while back; he was trying to get me to make a million dollars by rolling drunken homeless men. He thought that since I didn’t live in fear of damnation, I should just get on with it. I explained that it would damage severely my self-respect, and wouldn’t be worth it. I’d consider it as a source of income only if I were starving, and even in that event I could probably find better ways of surviving.

    The idea that moral behaviour has to derive from a belief in God and fear of Hell doesn’t have much foundation. Billions of Buddhists should convince you of that.

    Having said that, I will admit that religion might stop some shits from being as shitty as they otherwise might be. I’m glad that Arky has some religious beliefs, because on his own admission, he’d be pretty foul without them.

  95. Armadillo

    A son is a son till he takes him a wife, a daughter is a daughter all of her life.

  96. zyconoclast

    Hidden Figures or possibly Figures cachées

    Noir Blanc Rouge – Trente-cinq noirs oubliés de l’histoire de France (LA LIBRAIRIE VU) (French Edition) Kindle Edition
    by Rouben Valéry (Author)

    An unsuspected portrait gallery of blacks who made France.
    For too long, blacks have been confined to the margins of our history books. Yet, they wrote some of the most beautiful pages.
    Rouben Valéry has thus gone in search of those whose names have been overshadowed or have fallen into oblivion, and leads us through an unsuspected portrait gallery: Jean-Baptiste Belley, the first black deputy of France, elected under the Revolution Severiano de Heredia, grandson of slave and mayor of Paris at the end of the 19th century; Camille Mortenol, this Guadeloupe polytechnician who played a major role during the Great War; Paulette Nardal, the inspirer of negritude; Raoul Georges Nicolo, one of the fathers of the French nuclear program …
    Rouben Valéry pays homage to these exceptional destinies, which had to shake the established order to shape France as it is today. Some shed their blood for her. All have their place in our national pantheon.

  97. Stimpson J. Cat

    Billions of Buddhists should convince you of that.

    People that shave off perfectly good hair and wear orange seriously make me question whether you sane people are crazy.
    There is no shame in it guys.

  98. Arky

    I’d consider it as a source of income only if I were starving,

    ..
    You would consider beating up and stealing from the homeless if you were starving?
    You really are soulless.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I lie. Here at last on this show is a youngish woman given the tag of ‘Monarchy advocate’ who says the apolitical symbol is what is important about the Royal family.

    Asked for a fave Royal, all of the lefty women (Gemmel, Madigan etc) predictably opt for Meghan Markel, the gay comedian guy opts for the Queen, and I’m glad the news is just in that Her Maj has stomped hard on the little genderless Royal bub who will now become a normal child again.

    The historical stuff is particularly interesting for the Irish element and sectarianism that was so obvious a part of Australian life. Irish loyalty was being called into question after O’Farrell’s attempt on Prince Alfred’s life. So the show had some good points and the historical footage and other documentation shown through all periods is fascinating.

  100. struth

    Struth has got the Meconium Blues.

    I didn’t know it had a proper name.
    I’m sure it would have it I ‘d thought about it, but I tried not to.
    I was young, the nappy was not a disposable, it wasn’t that tight, hey ,I was new to it all.
    The other things you learn.
    Never give your baby son shoulder rides around the room when he’s got no nappy on.

    All fatherhood was at the start was wiping away well aimed pisses from the change table to right up your nose, trying to get baby spew that you’d wiped off your shirt but hadn’t noticed that it had gone down your shirt and dried on your chest hair, and squirting down your child on the front lawn if the ex wasn’t home to see me do it.

  101. MatrixTransform

    Armadillo #2949603, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    never heard that before.

    rings true … rings true

  102. Arky

    My child never threw up and was potty trained by me in one day.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Annabel Crab one of the leftists in there too. We’re on migration now. Apparently they don’t support the monarchy so much as they are sick of the unstable politics they’ve just left.
    Aargh. Here comes Gough. Nope, he’s gone away again. Suspect he’ll be back. Byeeee.

  104. dover_beach

    what’s your counter to the argument from people like Dostoevsky and Nietzsche that, absent God and immortality, anything goes?

    William, read Feser’s The Last Superstition, and check out his blog here and here.

  105. dover_beach

    BTW, the short answer is Yes.

  106. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yep. There’s more next week: it’s a series. I suspect this first part will be the best of it.

  107. zyconoclast

    ATLANTA – A new move by the Atlanta Police Department has many small businesses feeling vulnerable.

    The department announced earlier this week that, due to a recent uptick in crimes across Zone 2, which encompasses the Buckhead area, the Police Department will not be dispatching officers to shoplifting calls in most cases.

  108. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949606, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:29 pm
    I’d consider it as a source of income only if I were starving,

    ..
    You would consider beating up and stealing from the homeless if you were starving?
    You really are soulless.

    I’d beat up and steal from you first, Arky.

  109. MatrixTransform

    Arky — step away from the beer

  110. Arky

    That would be hard to do with a SMLE pressed into your snoz.

  111. Armadillo

    People that shave off perfectly good hair and wear orange seriously make me question whether you sane people are crazy.

    That’s a fair observation. They should be at a track or in a pub instead of chanting at people.

    Same with the weirdos knocking on your door, trying to hand you a leaflet about some God/Prophet or something.

    It’s not normal behaviour.

    Yes, I’m going to iron a shirt, put on a tie, and annoy some poor bastard on a Saturday. WTF is that about?

    These people travel half way around the world, just to annoy you. They note your address, and wether you were “interested” in the message. Talk about creepy.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    The conviction of Pell debacle has sent the post mortems scattering in all directions. For the haters, the narrative needs to be more tightly controlled. The ABC will do its best, but it may not be enough. The tilt seems to be away from their preferred bias. Scoopy Milligan may begin the long haul back tomorrow, but she will need a lot of covering fire from fatter drones within the hive.

  113. MatrixTransform

    I knew an aussie guy that turned Mormon.
    He literally went to Salt Lake City to do his door knocking duty.
    35 years ago. Wonder what ever happened to him

  114. zyconoclast

    The High Court has ruled the government’s Right to Rent scheme breaches human rights law.

    Under the Right to Rent landlords are responsible for checking the immigration status of their tenants with the prospect of prosecution if they know or have “reasonable cause to believe” that the property they are letting is occupied by someone who does not have the right to rent in the UK.

    Verdict
    Delivering his verdict in the High Court today, Mr Justice Martin Spencer ruled the scheme breached the European Convention on Human Rights on the basis that it led to discrimination against non-UK nationals with the right to rent and British ethnic minorities.

  115. cohenite

    The idea that moral behaviour has to derive from a belief in God and fear of Hell doesn’t have much foundation.

    One of the things religion has demonstrated is that morality is not absolute: different religions have different morals: islam today has completely different moral imperatives to Christianity.

    This is why the secular West is best; most religions are prepared to fit in with the idea that the secular legal and political process controls religion and not vice-versa. Every religion, that is, except islam.

  116. struth

    My child never threw up and was potty trained by me in one day.

    Actually mine hardly ever spewed, he was gnawing away at the tit for so long I had to pry him off with a tyre lever.
    His fiance’ would have sore nipples , I bet.
    Loves them, he does
    I don’t mind them myself, but you get what I’m saying. (not his fiancé’s).
    He may have been potty trained in one day, but you don’t say which day.
    So , somewhere between birth and 13 years old I gather?

  117. Snoopy

    BrettW
    #2949589, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:09 pm
    I just watched the full interview of Cardinal Pell

    Thank you, Brett. Well done.

  118. Arky

    One of the things religion has demonstrated is that morality is not absolute: different religions have different morals

    ..
    Nah.
    They are just looking at the same moral reality from different cultures and languages or from more primitive states.

  119. Pedro the Ignorant

    Has that fuckwit from Toowoomba gone to bed yet? OK. Change of pace.

    One of the little benefits and going Galt in living in a small country town is learning some old timey skills.

    Cutting some vegies at a community BBQ today, using a pocket knife I have carried around for years, an old fella (about five years older than me 🙂 ) grabbed my knife, took it to the back of his ute, rummaged around for a whetstone and within five minutes put an edge on my knife that you could shave with.

    He grumped at me for previously using a file to sharpen my knife, then we chatted about dogs, rain, wheat prices and the best way to kill a snake found in town without shooting it and drawing the crabs with gunfire.

    Had a coldie or two and parted friends.

    I like this town.

  120. DrBeauGan

    Is moral reality shit too, Arky?

  121. Armadillo

    I knew an aussie guy that turned Mormon.

    I can understand that. They have some pretty hot Sheliahs door knocking.

    It’s why the Muzzies haven’t been particularly successful in the market place.

    You’re not quite sure if your mailbox has knocked on the door, and it’s time to give up the drugs.

  122. struth

    Pedro , have you had a tree change?

  123. zyconoclast

    Reading this and working out who is who can be very confusing

    Britain’s first transgender hate crime trial is halted after one day as judge says ‘there is no case and never was a case’

    Britain’s first transgender hate crime prosecution has been halted by a judge who declared: ‘There is no case and never was a case.’

    Miranda Yardley, 51, was put ‘through ten months of hell’ after being accused of harassing a transgender activist on Twitter.

    But District Judge John Woollard dismissed the case after a one-day hearing, saying there was simply no evidence.

    Campaigners called the decision a victory for free speech, while the accused claimed police were being used to ‘enforce a political ideology’.

    The hearing at Basildon Magistrates’ Court in Essex last Friday brought into sharp focus the complex and often rancorous divisions within the transgender community.

    On one side was Yardley, an accountant, who describes himself as a transs3xual and identifies as a man, even though he underwent gender reassignment to become a woman ten years ago.

    Despite his own experience, his contention is that individuals cannot change s3x – and this has drawn fierce criticism on social media.

    Giving evidence via video link was his accuser, Helen Islan, who is married with children and works with the trans advocacy group Mermaids, which campaigns for children who want to change gender.

    The court heard that one of her teenage children is transgender. The spat began with a discussion – joined by other Twitter users – about self-identification, which allows people to be recognised as transgender simply by declaring themselves male or female.

  124. cohenite

    They are just looking at the same moral reality from different cultures and languages or from more primitive states.

    FGM is a universal morality?

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    and the best way to kill a snake found in town without shooting it and drawing the crabs with gunfire.

    Long handled post-hole digging shovel, with the blade sharpened. Finest instrument ever, for killing snakes, without rifle fire.

  126. Old School Conservative

    calli
    #2949418, posted on March 3, 2019 at 6:37 pm
    That’s a beautiful thing, vlad. My experience is that churches grow when The Gospel is preached.

    I went to a Baptist wedding recently at which the service was entirely religious.
    The 30 year-old friends of the bride and groom, used to secular celebrants and extravagant home made wedding vows, were quietly impressed.
    There’s a lot of good in our young folk
    (especially the “Pants Down Eagle Rock” segment of the reception).

  127. MatrixTransform

    Nietzsche is a gateway drug

  128. dover_beach

    One of the things religion has demonstrated is that morality is not absolute: different religions have different morals

    Not sure absolute is the word you are looking for but the fact that different answers re X are given doesn’t mean there is no right answer re X. The other thing here is that differences between cultures are exaggarated.

  129. Arky

    FGM is a universal morality?

    ..
    No.
    But they are looking at something that is universal and interpreting it through their primitive shit to produce FGM.
    The thing they are probably looking at to produce FGM is the fact that promiscuity is corrosive to even a primitive society.

  130. Armadillo

    The other thing here is that differences between cultures are exaggarated.

    How so?

  131. zyconoclast

    Super W has been rocked by a “disgusting” biting scandal that threatens to rub out the captain of the Wallaroos for at least the rest of Queensland’s campaign and potentially the rest of the year.

    Queensland hooker Liz Patu, who took over the captaincy of the Wallaroos in 2018, will appear before a Rugby Australia hearing in coming days after being cited for biting RugbyWA second-rower Rebecca Clough in their match on Sunday.

  132. Armadillo

    We are told all the time about “culture”. Some are promoted more than others.

  133. Helen

    I was thinking today I wonder how whistle pricking was invented. I mean, who would have thought it up or discovered it and thought it was a good idea and then sold it to the rest as a good idea.Fking insane. Mormons have a long way to go before they get to that kind of salesmanship.

  134. Helen

    I was thinking today I wonder how whistle pricking was invented. I mean, who would have thought it up or discovered it and thought it was a good idea and then sold it to the rest as a good idea.Fking insane. Mormons have a long way to go before they get to that kind of salesmanship.

  135. Leigh Lowe

    Queensland hooker Liz Patu, who took over the captaincy of the Wallaroos in 2018, will appear before a Rugby Australia hearing in coming days after being cited for biting …

    Rugby munchers.

  136. Armadillo

    Are we allowed to talk about Trudeau? What’s the latest?

  137. DrBeauGan

    MatrixTransform
    #2949636, posted on March 3, 2019 at 11:02 pm
    Nietzsche is a gateway drug

    Yep. Likewise Fichte and Hegel. Start with those nutters and beford you know it you’re a full PoMo addict.

  138. Pedro the Ignorant

    Pedro , have you had a tree change?

    Yep. Sold up the business, the vehicles, equipment, handed back the keys to the Perth office, donated all the personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to work in the mining game, cancelled the Satphone contract, de-activated the EPIRB, and retired, bought a nice old 1920’s house in a WA country town far, far away from the mines and exploration sites, red dirt and spinifex that has been part of my life for the last thirty years or so.

    The mining game was extremely good to me, I worked with hundreds, if not thousands, of real “salt of the Earth” people in some remote and harsh environments and made many, many good friends.

    I like to think I had a small part in adding to the wealth of this country in finding and exploiting a tiny part of the fabulous natural resources of Australia for the benefit of all.

    Now it is time to sit back, relax let the world flow by without me.

  139. William

    Dover

    Feser’s arguments struck me as elaborate niceties. It’s well to claim that you can (sort of) do morality without God, because Aristotle pointed out that human beings have natured ordered in such-and-such a way, and even if you don’t assume God, you can still do moral reasoning. But that’s just sweeping the metaphysical assumption that makes a concept such as human nature and its concomitant ‘final cause’ coherent under the carpet.

    Nietzsche in the ‘Mad Man’ scene of the Gay Science pointed out that the Enlightenment project of a reason-based universal ethics, and any other like it, is ultimately a sandcastle that ubermenschen are free to trample. Kant, and his modern day proponents like Sir Roger Scruton, admit that there’s an a priori assumption, which, if bought into, makes for an internally consistent, universally agreeable ethic of reasonable treatment of subjects. The categorical imperative is a hell of a powerful formulation; but it still’s open to demolition.

    Beau

    Absent objectivist ethics, on what ground are you going to tell Hannibal Lector not to put that forkful of human into his mouth?

  140. Entropy

    Who are these people biting each other Zyncocast?

    Actually, don’t bother, I don’t care.

  141. Snoopy

    I remember back in the early 80’s attending countless Indigenous cross cultural sessions and being told that ATSI’s had this marvelous communication thing called body language that whites had no idea of.

    We must be quick learners because today they’re called things like side eye and stink eye.

  142. Snoopy

    Long handled post-hole digging shovel, with the blade sharpened. Finest instrument ever, for killing snakes,

    A spade is enough. Long handles are for pussies.

  143. Pedro the Ignorant

    Zulu, shovels are good, but unhandy.

    A length of Number 8 fence wire tied on a two foot stick is cheap and cheerful. (and eco friendly).

  144. Old School Conservative

    Very sad to hear that zyconoclast.
    Australian Rugby is getting enough bad press over its results and administration, let alone having the new womens’ competition the centre of a biting scandal.
    When dual international Mat Rogers says “(I am) horrified by the way the rugby league is going.
    I fear it is going to end up like rugby…” then you know the great game is in deep trouble.

  145. Armadillo

    I was thinking today I wonder how whistle pricking was invented.

    LOL. I think of lots of things during the day. That’s probably the last thing I would think of. Drunk or sober.

    What’s for dinner? Do we have milk for coffee?

    These are things normal people wonder about.

    “whistle pricking”, not so much.

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A spade is enough. Long handles are for pussies.

    How close do you want to get to a Western Brown? One of the most venomous snakes in Australia? I”ll stick to a long handled shovel, thank you.

  147. MatrixTransform

    on what ground are you going to tell Hannibal Lector not to put that forkful of human into his mouth

    isnt that a question for the author of the books being that Mr Lector is a fiction?

  148. Confused Old Misfit

    Exactly. A good mother should only introduce you to him/her after the nappy stuff is finished.

    And then the introductions should last only as long as is necessary for you to tell the child that he is leaving for boarding school within the hour.
    \
    Rex Murphy on Trudeau
    Always entertaining

  149. Armadillo

    Long handles are for pussies.

    A real bloke would attack it with nothing more than a dinner fork.

    If you are going to fight, make it fair.

  150. cohenite

    But they are looking at something that is universal and interpreting it through their primitive shit to produce FGM.

    Vectors and scalars: life, death and the whole damn thing is the only scalar; how you travel the journey are the vectors. The vectors of islam are antithetical to those of the West; so different that they taint the underpinning tensors and create a new matrix. Islam is eschatological for instance; the West is life affirming.

    It’s the same old equivalence schtick. islam is not like anything else despite some other religions being bastard things.

  151. Helen

    About six feet of twisted number eight for me. Shovels are dangerous, the wire immobilises them for easy finishing off.

  152. Armadillo

    It’s only got two fangs. A dinner fork has three. Man up.

  153. Confused Old Misfit

    Now it is time to sit back, relax let the world flow by without me.

    Absent careful management it could turn out to the busiest time in your life!
    Enjoy!

  154. DrBeauGan

    Beau

    Absent objectivist ethics, on what ground are you going to tell Hannibal Lector not to put that forkful of human into his mouth?

    I’m not much given to telling others how to live their lives, William. Objective ethics are for people who have a need to tell others how to behave, and think that their claimed knowledge of objective morality justifies doing so. The whole thing is self-serving bullshit.

    I wouldn’t eat another human being unless I were really, really hungry and no alternative presented itzelf. Not even Arky. I would dislike myself if I were to do a Hannibal Lector. I prefer to retain my good opinion of myself. I am prepared to explain this to Hannibal but if he felt good about eating people, I would have no way of convincing him by argument. Neither, of course, would you.

    I’d simply treat him as a monster that happens to look human but isn’t. I wouldn’t argue with him, I’d kill him.

  155. cohenite

    Absent objectivist ethics, on what ground are you going to tell Hannibal Lector not to put that forkful of human into his mouth?

    Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him

  156. Arky

    I would dislike myself if I were to do a Hannibal Lector.

    ..
    Why?

  157. struth

    Sorry Pedro, I did know that you have done that, but I forgot for a second.
    I had you pegged for somewhere near York.

    I am astounded at the insinuation that if you don’t believe in God your Morals do not come from a western Christian background.
    Even if you don’t believe in a Christian god, your moral values are instilled in you from the Christian community you grew up in, and to deny that is laughable.

    The natural state of things is not some natural tendancy toward a Christian value system without Christianity.
    I would have thought 40 000 years of the so called “oldest living culture on earth proves that.
    Aboriginal culture had 40 000 years to naturally tend that way.
    They did not.

    Our troops going into battle during the second world war all went to a church service first and our grandparents generation were very Christian.
    A recent departure from it does not mean that you still aren’t heavily, extremely , influenced by Christianity as your moral compass.
    Even if you don’t believe in god.

  158. Snoopy

    I wouldn’t eat another human being unless I were really, really hungry and no alternative presented itzelf.

    Like being a member of a rugby team who survives an aircrash in the Andes.

  159. Helen

    But back to whistle pricking, (call me Abbey – dinner was in the slow cooker and I knew all the other stuff) how do you reckon the first instance happened. Old mate fell on his spear and after he healed up all the other guys were jealous? Or he said look at moi, mine is twice as wide as yours? Do you think the ABC will do a doco on it, telling the story of the great invention. I wonder why it hasn’t taken off in the Western world, which seems so fond of adopting anything else with a whiff of spirituality. How about we demand that welcome to country only be performed by blokes that have been whistle cocked?

    Also saw a story in the Oz I can’t be bothered linking to about a range of face makeup for men. You guys could talk about that in your birthing lounge, make up tips etc, while sipping beer and angling young trannies in short skirts. Or did I get something mixed up? So much news, so much thinking.

    Of course this was before I dropped my iPhone into the rear belly plate fo the D7 as I was trying to illuminate the bolts on the starter moter with one hand, socket and extension in the other. I managed to get my fingers on it through a drain hole and switched the torch thingy off and started taking photos – lols. Anyway, I think it is out of the oil get it tomorrow, after we come back with the replacement starter motor.

  160. Fat Tony

    DrBeauGan
    #2949617, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:39 pm
    Arky
    #2949606, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:29 pm
    I’d consider it as a source of income only if I were starving,

    ..
    You would consider beating up and stealing from the homeless if you were starving?
    You really are soulless.

    I’d beat up and steal from you first, Arky.

    Dr BG – I’m starting to understand why Satan didn’t want your soul.

    Did Armadillo wind up paying you for it – the $60??

  161. Arky

    It’s the same old equivalence schtick. islam is not like anything else despite some other religions being bastard things.

    ..
    I don’t think it is, but I would agree it is an interesting point.
    You would appear to be arguing that any religion that is not Christian is utterly false, that there is not some underlying thing that all religions point towards, some vaguely, some more accurately.

    You are therefore arguing the same thing the atheists do: so many religions, they can’t all be right, and what one you believe in is just an accident of birth.

  162. Confused Old Misfit

    I wouldn’t argue with him, I’d kill him.

    Bravo DrBeauGan!

  163. Pedro the Ignorant

    Not far off the mark, Struth.

    Precise location to remain vague, but I think Zulu might be able to see my place on a clear day.

  164. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949666, posted on March 3, 2019 at 11:37 pm
    I would dislike myself if I were to do a Hannibal Lector.

    ..
    Why?

    I don’t really know, Arky, but I seem to be made that way. I can give evolutionary biology explanations of why I have been made that way, but we know what you think of evolution and biology. Shit, right?

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Theme song for retired miners:
    I’m Never Going Back Underground Again.

    One of the pioneers of the district, where the family farm is, today, emigrated to Australia, on the grounds that Australia was the furtherest place on Earth from the coal mines of Northern England, which coal mines he never wanted to see again..

  166. Armadillo

    I sense more “Souls for Sale”.

    The last transaction went OK. Didn’t pay a cent for it.

    If any more of you Godless bastards want to sell your souls, I’m willing to buy/lie.

    [Disclaimer: No cute Morman/Happy Clapper Sheliahs involved]

  167. Snoopy

    Not even Arky.

    On the other hand, I believe a youngish armadillo roasted after being marinated in a sweet soy sauce tastes wonderful. A bit like echidna.

  168. DrBeauGan

    Did Armadillo wind up paying you for it – the $60??

    Nah. He welshed on the deal. As ‘Dillo himself said, what do you expect, he’s a bookie.

  169. struth

    Also saw a story in the Oz I can’t be bothered linking to about a range of face makeup for men. You guys could talk about that in your birthing lounge, make up tips etc, while sipping beer and angling young trannies in short skirts. Or did I get something mixed up? So much news, so much thinking.

    No , you’ve got it spot on.
    But that was Dr B and Arky.
    I wasn’t involved.

  170. Helen

    Echidna tastes like chicken.

  171. Arky

    but I seem to be made that way

    ..
    I feel you could train yourself to overcome these limitations, and thereby increase extensively your experiences of the reality you enjoy so much.
    If they are merely some trick of evolution to slightly increase your chances of reproducing, by making you look soft and fluffy to others, they are redundant.

  172. struth

    Echidna tastes like chicken.

    And comes with it’s own toothpicks.

  173. Pedro the Ignorant

    Bless you, Helen.

    Lovely to hear of real women working on fixing ‘dozers and working the land.

    Real Aussies.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Precise location to remain vague, but I think Zulu might be able to see my place on a clear day.

    You’ll recognise my place. The fearful “Crash” as all the empty grog bottles, go into the recycling truck, every second Wednesday, could probably be heard in Fremantle.

  175. Confused Old Misfit

    It’s A Working Man I am

    It’s a working man l am
    And I’ve been down under ground
    And I swear to God if l ever see the sun
    Or for any length of time
    I can hold it in my mind
    I never again will go down under ground

  176. struth

    Helen, my t600 is due for an oil change………………………………….

  177. Helen

    Speaking of toothpicks, back at the ranch I noticed we had another largish olive around on account of the ibis quills and beak that had been deposited on the verandah near the saddles, they like going there to shed their skin. I thought it looked not quite right for some reason or other must have been my second sight, because later next day I was heading round to restart the pressure pump when I got a big fright and let a bit of a girly scream out. There was a big olive, right there, at the same time as screaming, I saw and heard the blowies, so knew it was dead, I wondered if one of the quills had somehow damaged it, and it died from peritonitis? I thought I’d read somewhere it is not that rare, but it was a good old size and must have done this thing many times before. Like all accidents, I guess.

  178. Armadillo

    But that was Dr B and Arky.

    I’m not in the least surprised.

  179. Pedro the Ignorant

    I have spent countless hours underground in mines looking at resources, but I am eternally grateful that I have never been down a coal mine.

    I looked at a job once at a mine in the Hunter Valley in NSW and was horrified at the conditions.

    I couldn’t get on the plane home to WA quickly enough.

  180. DrBeauGan

    I feel you could train yourself to overcome these limitations, and thereby increase extensively your experiences of the reality you enjoy so much.
    If they are merely some trick of evolution to slightly increase your chances of reproducing, by making you look soft and fluffy to others, they are redundant.

    I have similar limitations as regards sex. I have a distinct preference for females. I can account for this in evolutionary biology terms too, but I shan’t bother.

    I suspect on the basis of some of your posts you have similar prejudices.

    I feel you could train yourself to overcome these limitations, and thereby increase extensively your experience of reality that so far has been shit. Go for it and try buggering small boys.

  181. Arky

    I feel you could train yourself to overcome these limitations

    ..
    No, because both my inclinations and my beliefs are in alignment on this point: it would be wrong.

  182. struth

    So just roughly Helen, so you don’t give it away, North of Elliot, east or west of the Stuart hwy?

  183. struth

    I looked at a job once at a mine in the Hunter Valley in NSW and was horrified at the conditions.

    Bullshit.
    White men are all privileged.
    Girls in Universities who have never worked, told me so.

  184. Pedro the Ignorant

    White men are all privileged.
    Girls in Universities who have never worked, told me so.

    Nailed it, Struth.

    All the blokes in that coal mine hellhole in NSW were wearing blackface.

    Obviously racist pigs.

  185. Snoopy

    After two months forced abstinence, I once spent a night drinking shiraz at the Burketown hotel in the company of a man who was infamous for, among other things, running around NW Queensland whistlecocking adolescent boys. Fortunately he was most gracious and forgiving.

  186. struth

    After two months forced abstinence, I once spent a night drinking shiraz at the Burketown hotel in the company of a man who was infamous for, among other things, running around NW Queensland whistlecocking adolescent boys. Fortunately he was most gracious and forgiving.

    I have to ask.

    No I don’t.

  187. DrBeauGan

    No, because both my inclinations and my beliefs are in alignment on this point: it would be wrong

    So are mine, Arky. I believe I was made so as not to want to eat people except in extreme cases, and I don’t actually want to.

    My explanation in your case is that you don’t want to eat people either, but you feel a need to convince yourself that eating people violates a rule. So you have spent a lot of time and energy looking for rules and authorities for following the rules.

    You really like rules, don’t you? I suspect it is because you like coercing other people into following them. Objective morality. And you are fortunate enough to know it.

  188. Steve trickler

    Check this out.

    No doubt after this airing, people inside Facebook will start to look at one another and ask. Who can you trust? Loose lips sinks ships! I am fine watching Facebook sink below the waves.

    Voice recognition will come into play from now on. Guaranteed for all current and future staff.



  189. Steve trickler

    Please speak into the microphone.

  190. Arky

    I believe I was made so as not to want to eat people except in extreme cases,

    ..
    There is no evidence for that.
    Indeed, the evidence is that if you were born in some of the many times and places where it was common, you too would indulge and enjoy it.
    So the one belief you actually do espouse on here is obviously WRONG.

  191. struth

    So are mine, Arky. I believe I was made so as not to want to eat people except in extreme cases, and I don’t actually want to.

    If you were born into a cannibalistic tribe, you would want to.

  192. BrettW

    Forgot to mention one point in my comments about Pell interview above.

    One of the questions at the start of the interview after name, address, citizen, was are you Aboriginal or TI ?

    Dont think they asked if identifies as male.

  193. Arky

    Going to bed.
    Don’t eat anyone or roll any bums while I’m not here to supervise you, you monster.

  194. Overburdened

    Pretty long hug you’re getting here, person called Arky.
    It feels like a family scene so I’ll go.

  195. Pedro the Ignorant

    Helen, bush story; one of the accomodation camps in the Pilbara had an olive that lived under the scraps bin outside the mess, fat as a pig, lived on all the leftovers and fought regularly with the bungarras also after a free feed.

    Cook found the olive dead one day it had scoffed down a rolled roast beef that had been tossed in the bin but still had the metal skewers in the beef.

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Union threat to scupper agreement with Jakarta

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    Unions could seek to scuttle the historic free-trade deal to be signed in Jakarta today, citing fears it will hurt Australian workers, exploit foreign labour and undermine national sovereignty by allowing international rulings on investment disputes.

    Trade Minister Simon Birmingham will sign Australia’s biggest bilateral trade deal in years with his Indonesian counterpart, Lukita Enggartiasto, after more than six years of stop-start negotiations.

    The Indonesia Australia Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement — forecast in a previous feasibility study to be worth about $35 billion to the two countries’ economies in coming years — was to have been signed last November but was put on hold in protest by Indonesia after Scott Morrison said Australia was considering recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

    Senator Birmingham yesterday said the deal would form the “central pillar to our strategic ­relationship with ­Indonesia”, not only deepening economic ties but also diplomatic and security links.

    “The fact that — despite all the commentary in the last few months — we are both proceeding to sign this agreement is a real demonstration of the maturity of the relationship; that we can have areas where we may not always be in complete agreement, but that need not undermine the potential for strong bilateral ties and co-­operation,” he said.

    Champions of the deal say it has the potential to transform the Australia-Indonesia relationship.

    But Australian unions yesterday stepped up their opposition to the deal as it currently stands and warned they would lobby a future Labor government to renegotiate the terms before it is ratified by parliament. “We are deeply concerned that they (the government) have done yet another dodgy deal that lets corporations hire temporary-visa holders in unlimited numbers instead of hiring and training ­locally,” ACTU president Michele O’Neil said. Australian Manufacturing Workers Union national secretary Paul Bastian said there was “no substantive evidence” the deal would benefit Australian workers.

    “Since 2016, we have been raising concerns about aspects of this agreement … about labour mobility provisions which could see Indonesian workers exposed to exploitation in Australia.”

    The AMWU also opposes dispute-settlement provisions that allow foreign investors to seek international arbitration against governments in investment disputes, but which he said “undermine our national sovereignty”. Mr Bastian also criticised the timing of the signing, given imminent elections in both countries. Labor’s new trade policy demands all trade deals include stepped up “market-testing” of the local workforce before jobs are opened to foreign labour.

    From the Oz. Whinging William will run Australia, in the same way he ran the unions. Be afraid.

  197. Bruce in WA

    Precise location to remain vague, but I think Zulu might be able to see my place on a clear day.

    When you first gave your description of your new home, my first thought was Toodyay—ish.

    I’ll stick by that.

  198. Pedro the Ignorant

    Close, Bruce.

    Bit further South East. 🙂

  199. Nob

    rugby team who survives an aircrash in the Andes.

    Barry Humphies cartoon at the time:
    “Do you realise we’re on the last leg of our flight”

  200. None

    BrettW
    #2949589, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:09 pm

    Excellent summation BrettW. I also noted (and mentionedat another blog) that Pell repeated “in the sacristry, after mass?” totally gobsmacked. And yes I noticed he almost broke out into an (incredulous) smile at just how ludicrous it was. Remember that the accuser also (subsequently) changed his story three times. The Wallington shit let him change his testimony again to fit the dates that the defence provided. Astonishing. The minute the evidence exhonerates him they change the goal posts. It is Kafkaesque and downright malicious in my view.

    But my real question is who leaked that and why? Cui bono?

  201. None

    Also note Brett that Pell thanks the officer for treating him with respect and the interviewer also thanks him for cooperating. Take that and smoke it lefty scum.

  202. None

    BrettW
    #2949704, posted on March 4, 2019 at 12:25 am

    Doesn’t that just point out the absurdity? Would have loved it if Pell had said yes, I identify as Aboriginal (technically he is aboriginal).

  203. Nob

    A thick plain wire is better than shovels or sticks for snakes because it flattens to the ground. As well as easy to carry while doing your rounds.

  204. C.L.

    Saturday was the 80th anniversary of the election of Pope Pius XII.
    Rorate Caeli has posted an address he gave in 1949, describing its amazingly prophetic nature.
    The folks at Rorate Caeli were thinking of the disastrous Bergoglio pontificate but Australian Catholics will see in Pius’s words something else too, something far closer to home.
    Also prevalent in the address is the unapologetic, unbowed militancy of a Christian warrior.

    Ancora una volta
    Pope Ven. Pius XII
    Address to the Faithful
    Rome
    Sunday, February 20, 1949

    —————————–

    Romans! Beloved sons and daughters!

    Once again, in a grave and dolorous hour, the faithful people of the Eternal City has rushed to its Bishop and Father.

    Once again, this superb colonnade seems barely able to embrace with its gigantic arms the crowds, which like waves driven by an irresistible force, have flowed to the threshold of the Vatican Basilica, in order to attend the Mass of Atonement in the central point of the whole Catholic world and to pour out the sentiments with which their souls are overflowing.

    Among the unanimous condemnations of the civilized world, the sentence imposed upon an eminent Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church on the banks of the Danube has raised on the banks of the Tiber a cry of indignation worthy of the City.

    But the fact that a regime opposed to religion has this time attacked a Prince of the Church, revered by the vast majority of his people, is not an isolated case; it is one of the links in the long chain of persecutions which some dictatorial States have waged against Christian doctrine and life.

    A well-known characteristic common to persecutors of all times is that, not content with physically crushing their victims, they want also to make them appear despicable and hateful to their country and to society.

    Who does not remember the Roman martyrs, of whom Tacitus speaks (Annals 15:44), immolated under Nero and made to appear as arsonists, abominable criminals, enemies of mankind?

    Modern persecutors show themselves to be the docile disciples of that inglorious school. They copy, so to speak, their masters and models, if, indeed, they do not surpass them in cruelty, clever as they are in the art of employing the most recent progress in the technical sciences for the purpose of a domination and enslavement of the people which in the past would not have been conceivable.

    Romans! The Church of Christ is following the road traced out for her by the divine Redeemer. She feels herself eternal; she knows that she cannot perish, that the most violent storms will not succeed in submerging her. She begs no favours; the threats and disfavor of earthly authorities do not intimidate her. She does not interfere in problems purely economic or political, nor does she occupy herself with debates on the usefulness or banefulness of one form of government or another. Always eager, in so far as she is able, to be at peace with all (cf. Rom 12:8), she renders unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, but she cannot betray or abandon that which belongs to God.

    Now, it is well known what the totalitarian and anti-religious State requires and expects from her [the Church] as the price for her tolerance and her problematic recognition. That is, it would desire a Church

    – which remains silent, when she should speak out;
    – a Church which weakens the law of God, adapting it to the taste of human desires, when she should loudly proclaim and defend it;
    – a Church which detaches herself from the unwavering foundation upon which Christ built her, in order to repose comfortably on the shifting sands of the opinions of the day or to give herself up to the passing current;
    – a Church which does not withstand the oppression of conscience and does not protect the legitimate rights and the just liberties of the people;
    – a Church which, with indecorous servility, remains enclosed within the four walls of the temple, which forgets the divine mandate received from Christ: Go forth to the street corners (Matt 22:9), teach all peoples (Matt 28:19).

    Beloved sons and daughters! Spiritual heirs of an innumerable legion of confessors and martyrs!

    Is this the Church whom you venerate and love? Would you recognize in such a Church the features of your Mother’s face? Can you imagine a Successor of the first Peter, who would bow to similar demands?

    The Pope has the divine promises; even in his human weaknesses, he is invincible and unshakable; he is the messenger of truth and justice, the principle of the unity of the Church; his voice denounces errors, idolatries, superstitions; he condemns iniquities; he makes charity and virtue loved.

    Can he [the Pope] then remain silent when in a nation the churches which are united to the center of Christendom, to Rome, are snatched away through violence or cunning; when all the Greek-Catholic bishops are imprisoned because they refuse to apostatize from their faith; when priests and the faithful are persecuted and arrested because they refuse to leave their true Mother Church?

    Can the Pope remain silent, when the right to educate their own children is taken away from parents by a minority regime which wants to alienate them from Christ?

    Can the Pope remain silent when a State, surpassing the limits of its authority, arrogates to itself the power to abolish dioceses, to depose Bishops, to overturn the ecclesiastical organization, and to reduce it below the minimum requirements for the effectual care of souls?

    Can the Pope remain silent when the point is reached of punishing a priest with imprisonment, guilty of refusing to violate the most sacred and inviolable of secrets, the secret of sacramental confession?

    Is all this perhaps illegitimate interference in the political powers of the State? Who could honestly affirm anything of the kind? Your exclamations have already given the answer to these and many other similar questions.

    May the Lord God reward your fidelity, beloved sons and daughters. May He give you strength in the present and future struggles. May He make you vigilant against the attacks of His and your enemies. May He illumine with His light the minds of those whose eyes are still closed to the truth. May he grant to those hearts, which today are far from him, the grace to sincerely return to that faith and to those fraternal sentiments whose denial threatens the peace of humanity.

    And now may Our lavish, paternal, and affectionate Apostolic Blessing descend upon you, the City and the World.

  205. C.L.

    Hadley when commenting on the case also appeared to read out that article and again gave the impression Pell trying to be a cop.

    That’s funny. Ray is the most frustrated wannabe cop since Leo Getz. Hadley has what can only be described as a homo-erotic love of police – about whose daily duties, no matter how banal, he is constantly reporting. He very obviously steered his hapless, weak son into serving in the police, with woeful consequences. Honestly, he is one of the biggest phonies in Australian public life. The interrogative ocker tough guy calling all the women “darling” and “love”, the footy-calling mate of the “tradies” and battlers. The fact is he has spent his entire life sitting on his arse: at the call box for the Dapto dogs, in a taxi and then in a radio booth. I know male ballet dancers who’ve lived manlier lives. And I’m surprised there wasn’t a Hadley float in the Mardi Gras because he’s been kissing John Singleton’s arse for decades.

  206. Steve trickler

    It has been a while since i last saw the a spiral arm of the Milky Way go from horizon to horizon with my naked eyes.



  207. Infidel Tiger

    Hadley is a complete cuck in every sense of the word.

  208. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949702, posted on March 4, 2019 at 12:24 am
    I believe I was made so as not to want to eat people except in extreme cases,

    ..
    There is no evidence for that.
    Indeed, the evidence is that if you were born in some of the many times and places where it was common, you too would indulge and enjoy it.
    So the one belief you actually do espouse on here is obviously WRONG.

    You are silly Arky. You too Struth. If I had been born in a cannibal tribe I wouldn’t be me. This makes about as much sense as the little girl who was asked to write explaining why genetics was important. Her submission was:

    “Genetics is important because I really love Mariah Carey, and if it wasn’t for genetics she might have been a fish.”

    And if it wasn’t for my being born and brought up where I was, I might have been Arky. What a sobering thought.

    You have to be slightly potty to argue that way.

  209. None,
    I don’t know who leaked the Pell interview but I think they did it for the right reason.

    I am surprised there has not been more analysis of his manner and answers discussed in the press as I found him totally credible. Unfortunately there is the Hadley view of evidence in that the accuser in a sexual assault case should be believed no matter what.

    If he had been asked about what was apparently spoken in the sacristy between him and victim(s) and also about his clothing during mass then this would have elicited more incredulous reactions from him. The lack of questions about this is a major failure on the part of the interviewer. Remember he has a Superintendent sitting beside him and they have been flown to Rome for what should one of the most important interviews in their careers. I don’t think the Sgt disbelieved him and was going through the motions about procedures.

    If this was the strongest case they had then they were desperate to get him for anything. Between this and the swimming pool case I thought the pool case would he harder to defend against as this one was so far fetched. However the problem with having this view is that to believe Pell you are basically saying you don’t believe the accuser and that is not considered by many to be acceptable.

  210. None

    C.L.
    #2949720, posted on March 4, 2019 at 1:20 am

    Nailed it C.L. I pointed out the hypocrisy of Hadley’s knee jerk reaction at Bolta’s – naturally not published. In fact even a one word agreement with a another post was not published. Whoever is moderating Bolt’s blog at the moment comes across as a Pell hater or a pants pooper.

  211. struth

    You may not have been you, but you would have been him.
    Your argument tends to stipulate that you are genetically programmed to hold Christian values.
    I understand we are just doing philosophy 101 here, so to beat around the bush and not cut to the chase, why are people genetically head hunting cannibals , now eating Kentucky fried, quite happily forgoing a nice chunk of human thigh?

  212. struth

    A Nice speech to read, C.L.
    Back in the days of some sanity.
    What a disastrous pope we have right at the very moment we needed a good one.

  213. CL,
    Have listened to quite a bit of comment from Hadley on the Pell case. As he said he has been involved with exposing a certain type of criminal for 30 years and is a supporter of Bravehearts. Good for him but I believe it has totally clouded his objectivity in this case. He had repeated goes at Howard and Abbott and was incredulous that Howard should write a letter in support of Pell. At one point he said Pell supporters were halfwits and he was not handling their calls well.

    On the opposite side we have Bolt and I have to repeat my admiration for his stand in this case.

  214. None

    BrettW: the interviewing officer sounded totally unsure and like he was 20 years old. I understand it was the same twerp who filed charges some time later. In my world such incompetence and malice should be rewarded with the sack and withdrawal of pension. I have no confidence in the Victorian legal system. Zero. So I am even bracing myself for an outrage at the appeal and the Morrison the cuck (or Shortern the bigger cuck) of refusing an appeal to the High Court. I do not underestimate the hatred and malice and utter cowardice of the chattering class and their unemployable social media mignons. But regardless of the outcome two things need to happen: Victoria’s secret trials must end. And VicPol’s disgraceful behaviour in this saga needs to be investigated and if necessary punished severely. Of course Victorians voted for this shyte so I don’t care if they turn into one gangland death zone two cans of tuna short of Venezuela – what I do care is that an innocent man is presently in jail. In my country. Not some third world shithole. In my country. And that is totally and utterly unacceptable.

  215. Nob

    Unconditionally believing accusers was always going to result in witch trials. Whatever the crime.

    Back to the 17th century in the space of a decade.

  216. None

    Brett W, Hadley is just posturing. Frankly anyone who takes their cues from Braveheart is posturing. I don’t think idiots like Hadley realise how this hurts real victims. Two victims of child sex abuse posted on Bolt’s blog the other day backing him as well. They also think the Pell verdict is sus. And these weren’t men who just got flashed like AA. These were two who were systematically raped as preteens over a year or more.

  217. None,

    Good that somebody else spotted the slight smile and came to same view as me.

    Do agree the Sgt sounded unsure and I found two pauses at crucial times significant. As though he knew Pell had refuted the allegation. Either he lost his train of thought or no idea how question him at that point.

    I may be wrong but I would assume the Detective Sgt chosen to interview Pell would be one of the best VICPOL had. He seemed far from it. This was a very important high profile case that the police should have been very concerned about conducting properly. I would think somebody more senior than a Sgt would have been chosen.

  218. None

    Thank god for District Judge John Woollard. But what happens when he and others like him retire? Gen Y have been raised on this shit and wouldn’t know common sense if it hit them in the face.

  219. None

    BrettW, the version that I saw didn’t just have the names silenced out (fair enough) it also had been edited/cut at certain points.

    VicPol are amateur hour. No wonder African gangs are running rampant.

  220. Steve trickler

    There is a plethora of clips validating Roy Clark as one of the finest string instrument players ever to live.



  221. None

    Back to the 17th century in the space of a decade.

    Correct Nob. As our forefathers said: the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

  222. C.L.

    [Hadley] is a supporter of Bravehearts.

    Who gives a shit?
    Bravehearts has become a vile anti-Catholic hate group.
    Here’s their ubiquitous low IQ blabbermouth Hetty Johnston on jailing priests who don’t report [totally imaginary] child sex abuses supposedly revealed in confession:

    CATHOLIC priests in WA would face criminal charges if they refuse to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse to police.

    But it appears WA is headed towards a stand-off between Church and State, with Perth’s top Catholic saying this week the Church is not backing down and will continue to practise confessional secrecy…

    Hetty Johnston, founder of child protection group Bravehearts, said the WA Government was on the right track but slammed the Catholic Church for its refusal to budge in the best interests of children.

    “What planet are they from? They have caused so much harm over such a long period and they still don’t get it,” she said. “Honestly, if the Catholic Church is still in that mind then we’ve got to start to ask ourselves why would we trust the Catholic Church or any of its subsidiaries with our children?”

    She said priests should face jail if they refuse to break the seal of confession.

    She casually suggests thousands of Australian Catholics educating, nursing, counseling, clothing and flat-out saving children are child-r-pists.
    Go fuck yourself, you nasty old bag.

  223. None

    Here’s their ubiquitous low IQ blabbermouth Hetty Johnston

    I think I told you the story of the woman on community radio here that exclaimed “I love domestic violence”. Same sort as Hetty.

  224. None,
    The interview I watched was 45 minutes and names had some noise to cover them. Did not think had been edited apart from that so would be interested if there is a longer version around. The one I watched was via SMH/Age.

    Since we have had so many columns etc about the case I would like to see somebody like Bolt or Hadley get together with a panel of former police and lawyers to see what they think.

  225. DrBeauGan

    struth
    #2949727, posted on March 4, 2019 at 1:36 am
    You may not have been you, but you would have been him.
    Your argument tends to stipulate that you are genetically programmed to hold Christian values.
    I understand we are just doing philosophy 101 here, so to beat around the bush and not cut to the chase, why are people genetically head hunting cannibals , now eating Kentucky fried, quite happily forgoing a nice chunk of human thigh?

    I don’t think I was genetically programmed to have Christian values. I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility. I think the moral sense develops according to the cultural environment, and I was exposed to a largely Christian one. Which is why it makes no sense to ask what I would be like if I had been raised by cannibals. If I’d been raised by cannibals I’d be someone else. I can’t answer for him. If you’d been born a fish, you’d have gills.

    I don’t think there have ever been genetically headhunting cannibals. Headhunting cannibals, yes, but not genetically. The idea is just silly.

    If you want to do philosophy, I suggest you consider what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object. I spent two days and nights working that one out when I was ten.

  226. Steve trickler

    None
    #2949738, posted on March 4, 2019 at 2:03 am

    Fun clip, Steve.

    Indeed. Buck Trent is noteworthy too.



  227. DrBeauGan

    See if you can do it quicker.

  228. areff

    Cl: That papal address is magnificent. Thanks.

  229. struth

    Yes, I am irresistible , and you’re an immovable object.

    . I think the moral sense develops according to the cultural environment, and I was exposed to a largely Christian one.

    Exackery……..did I see movement?

    I don’t think there have ever been genetically headhunting cannibals. Headhunting cannibals, yes, but not genetically. The idea is just silly.

    Yes it is.

  230. struth

    Somebody let Hetty out of the Kitchen, and now look.

  231. DrBeauGan

    areff
    #2949745, posted on March 4, 2019 at 2:26 am
    Cl: That papal address is magnificent. Thanks.

    Yes, it was. An example of moral clarity and moral courage.

    We don’t get much of either these days, more’s the pity.

  232. DrBeauGan

    Exackery……..did I see movement?

    No. No Struth, you didn’t.

  233. struth

    Dr BG, and your very Christian morality, I bid you nonights.
    Arky has been asleep for hours now, wooden spokes and claxtons dancing in his head.

    Time for a brush of the teeth, kneel down and say me prayers (god please don’t let me wake Mrs Struth up, getting into bed).
    I wonder how MV is getting on over the last few days with Mrs MV.

  234. Steve trickler

    Enjoy the ride.



  235. Ivan Denisovich

    A well-known characteristic common to persecutors of all times is that, not content with physically crushing their victims, they want also to make them appear despicable and hateful to their country and to society.

    The objective has been to blacken the Cardinal’s name to the point where every statement, declaration, denunciation, prohibition, plea and order ever made by him regarding sin and/or green theology is ignored or ridiculed. That he be utterly discredited. And attached to that the hope that such an outcome will see him and any like-minded clergy cowed into silence or howled down by the mob. Whatever it takes.

  236. DrBeauGan

    The objective has been to blacken the Cardinal’s name to the point where every statement, declaration, denunciation, prohibition, plea and order ever made by him regarding sin and/or green theology is ignored or ridiculed. That he be utterly discredited. And attached to that the hope that such an outcome will see him and any like-minded clergy cowed into silence or howled down by the mob. Whatever it takes.

    Yes indeed. Lynch mobs are contemptible, and this has been a lynch mob.

    I’ve never met Pell and don’t like him based on the small amount I’ve seen of him. But this has made me sympathetic to him.

    I don’t think solitary confinement in prison will worry him tuppence. It wouldn’t worry me if I were in his situation and innocent. I’d find it interesting.

  237. DrBeauGan

    If Arky were a codfish and reasonably fresh, I’d eat him.

  238. DrBeauGan

    Even if I hadn’t been raised by cannibals.

  239. Tom

    Johannes Leak (with Monday’s Media Diary column in the Paywallian).

  240. Tom

    We should have seen this coming. David Rowe’s Abbott Derangement has transitioned into
    Abbott-Pell Derangement.

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