Open Forum: March 2, 2019

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  1. Helen

    Pedro, sad story. We raised an emu chick south of Alice years ago, and being a male, time came he travelled. He started spending time at the camps where the railway was being built, he was well known and the guys used to feed him sausages. Til one camp came along behind and an idiot there shot him.

  2. Helen

    Struth, East. Used to be SSE of Alice.

  3. Helen

    Rong road, West. Funny story. I was map reading for our tour in Northern Ireland. We were racing to see the Irish Stonehenge after a few hours on the brown ale. Why is this road blue, I asked? Because that is a river! Lucky the road and the river were heading in the same direction.

  4. Delta A

    Zanetti’s Chrissy Pyne is brilliant.

    Thanks, Tom.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Chip Bok on transitioning is visually good, thanks Tom.
    Shows the reality of it, and the look on the poor woman’s face is so woebegone.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One of those 4.30 wakes and up early mornings for me. Too much overthinking, should take my cues from Attapuss. He can sleep anywhere at any time; very small brain, goes from high alert to zonk in five seconds. Will haul back to bed soon; checking back thread puts me into the bedwards mode as the evening’s discussions plow on and everyone starts to peel off leaving only the few stalwarts batting on. It’s like winding the clock back a few hours. It’s also productive, as I’m wasting time I don’t have to waste later in the day. 🙂

    Nob, well said upthread, never a truer insight than this one:

    Unconditionally believing accusers was always going to result in witch trials. Whatever the crime.
    Back to the 17th century in the space of a decade.

    ps Helen, I hope you managed to rescue your phone. I’ve dropped an opal earring under the seat of my Q5 and it has disappeared irretrievably into a hole beside the seat rail. Buggeure, I thought, another one gone. I must have slippery ears.

  7. Farmer Gez

    ABC and Milligan already spruiking their bile for tonight. The dead choir boy’s story is given a run by the family. He changed as a person around that time, they say.

    He started using heroin at the age of fourteen! Dead at thirty.
    How on earth did this choir boy get access to such a drug at that age? Who was he associating with to get into that scene?

    This is more prosecution without investigation. Vicpol and the ABC are now joined at the hip. It’s time for some surgery.

  8. Gab

    Can anyone please tell me what “whistle pricking” is and what an “olive” is that Helen mentioned?

    Excellent stories by Helen, of course, but these two terms left me perplexed.

  9. None

    the reason the boy started using at 14 Farme Gez was because his parents broke up. his father was a loser and his mum not much better but at least he had. Family when they were together.e Don’t ask where he got the cash.AInsee swimming pool boy is so devastated he is going to sue Pell in a civil trial. No doubt Louise Milligan has arranged a pro bono lawyer, Pell should just declare himself bankrupt.

  10. DrBeauGan

    Gab, the olive is, I guess, the olive python. A snake.

    Google whistle cocking for the other, though duckduckgo might be better.

  11. Delta A

    Google whistle cocking

    Something tells me I shouldn’t.

  12. Farmer Gez

    The dead choir boy’s family say they knew nothing of the abuse until police contacted them in relation to the current witness’ claims.
    Milligan thinks all this points to guilt.

  13. Gab

    I guessed at olive, BG but wasn’t sure. Maybe I shouldn’t look up whistle pricking then.

    Thanks

  14. calli

    Armadillo
    #2949603, posted on March 3, 2019 at 10:24 pm
    A son is a son till he takes him a wife, a daughter is a daughter all of her life.

    Not necessarily.

    Mine went through a fifteen year grunting phase before he took him a wife. She gave me my son back.

    God bless her, the beautiful creature.

  15. calli

    And a Page Podium for her too. Soon to give me another grandie as well. 🙂

  16. DrBeauGan

    Gab, it’s one of those aboriginal tribal customs that shows how deeply spiritual they are.

  17. hzhousewife

    Zanetti’s Chrissy Pyne is brilliant.

    Thanks, Tom.

    Saw the BaldArchies in Canberra recently. There is a painting of Pyne as the Fixer which captures his whole persona brilliantly, very well worth a look if you are into that kind of thing. Some good cricket commentary ( in art) this year as well, and a nice Hawke (who of course is already a caricature).

  18. DrBeauGan

    Gab, it’s one of those aboriginal tribal customs that shows how deeply spiritual they are.

    Roughly a male version of fgm.

  19. hzhousewife

    steve trickler thanks for the Project Veritas link, it is good to know there is some fightback. But disturbing to know what Facebook actually intends to achieve in the long run, same as China actually, total citizen surveillance. So far at least, I can still have a life without facebook, get a paycheck and use a bank account, buy a plane ticket etc etc.

  20. Stimpson J. Cat

    Roughly a male version of fgm.

    No the male version is actually circumcision.
    Which is still carried out today.
    For no good reason.
    Everywhere.
    It is a f$cking crime against humanity.

  21. Farmer Gez

    Hang on a minute there Stimpy. I thought you were a great exponent of the bald look. Goes well with denim shorts I’m told.

  22. jupes

    It is a f$cking crime against humanity.

    You are an idiot.

  23. Arky

    if I had been raised by cannibals. If I’d been raised by cannibals I’d be someone else. I can’t answer for him

    ..
    No.
    You could be raised by cannibals and still genetically you.
    You would still be you.
    As I ssid, you could train yourself, or be trained to loosen some of those bounds of Christian morality..
    Depending on the part if the argument you are in you either subscribe them to “my nature” ie genetics, or to the situation in which you are raised.
    As the West decays and you are surrounded less and less by people who share your Christian moral basis, this will become more critical.
    Until the point is reached where you will have to choose.
    Cannibal or Christian?

  24. Leigh Lowe

    No the male version is actually circumcision.

    Just had it done.
    Anyone need a spare fanbelt?

  25. DrBeauGan

    Roughly a male version of fgm.

    No the male version is actually circumcision.
    Which is still carried out today.

    Unless your circumcision involved chopping the end of your dick off, not usual practice, that’s rubbish, Stimpy.

  26. Arky

    this will become more critical.

    ..
    it will move towards a critical point for you personally.

  27. DrBeauGan

    No.
    You could be raised by cannibals and still genetically you.
    You would still be you.

    You come up with some dotty arguments, Arky, but that’s a lollapalooza.

    My identical twin is genetically me, but he isn’t me all the same. And I have the same genes now as I did at six months, but at six months I wouldn’t be having this argument.

    Try to find the flaws in your argument before posting. It will develop your brain power something spectacular.

  28. RobK

    From the UK; another government off-shoot to layer the energy sector sustainably. Another hidden cost of renewables and energy management. What could go wrong. Excuse the length.
    https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/procurement-frameworks/60067/

    Adam Garbutt, CCS Category Lead for Utilities & Fuels (Strategic) at Crown Commercial Service – HELGA explains the role of the public sector when it comes to tackling the so-called ‘energy trilemma’ in terms of procurement frameworks.

    The UK is not alone among nations facing the so-called ‘energy trilemma’, a puzzle which requires the balancing of three challenges: affordability, sustainability and security.
    The public sector has a significant role to play in helping solve this problem and indeed has set a voluntary target to reduce its own carbon emissions to 30% of 2009/10 levels by 2020/21.

    Crown Commercial Service (CCS) has been tasked with supporting this aim through a number of energy agreements – sets of terms and conditions which suppliers agree to abide by when dealing with public bodies.

    One of our newest and most noteworthy agreements is the HELGA (Heat Networks and Electricity Generation Assets) Dynamic Purchasing System (CDPS), which will help public bodies and the wider public sector find the right suppliers for solar panels, wind turbines, heat networks, battery storage and more.

    By self-generating, the public sector will benefit from energy security, lower costs and demand reduction. All these measures will increase the uptake of renewable energy and reduce the environmental impact of the public sector.

    HELGA supports public sector customers and provides the specialist suppliers – whatever their size – access to those customers.

    For customers, HELGA is a flexible and compliant way to access a full range of market participants for any energy generation or efficiency projects they wish to run. The benefits include an OJEU-compliant competition process, and pre-existing terms and conditions to reduce paperwork.

    It will allow filtering by project size and location, assisting SMEs to participate in the call for competition and allow the public sector to fulfil its ambition to increase its spend through the SME market.

    For suppliers, once they are registered they will be included in any relevant call for competition run through the HELGA system, increasing their visibility of new projects and potentially opening up whole new markets.

    The market for energy demand reduction is growing all the time, and we see up to £800 million of public spend being delivered through this agreement over its four-year lifespan.
    CCS has engaged closely with the energy demand management market to better understand its fast-moving and evolving nature. We’ve looked over the horizon too, putting in place an agreement which fulfils the needs of the sector today while being flexible to ensure it captures future requirements.

    WE SEE UP TO £800 MILLION OF PUBLIC SPEND BEING DELIVERED THROUGH THIS AGREEMENT

    It was, for this reason, CCS opted for a DPS, which allows both suppliers and services to evolve as requirements change. It puts HELGA and CCS at the forefront of energy demand management tools. It also allows suppliers to register at any time during the lifetime of the agreement. We have had over 70 suppliers register to be on the agreement since it launched in November 2018, with many of those now approved and ready to serve customers – this figure will grow over the next four years.

    CCS is uniquely positioned to offer services to both Central Government and the wider public sector, as well as offering solutions for the full range of technologies and services.
    Although innovative and digital HELGA retains the human element that CCS customers like. It allows for specialist design and advisory services to be bought if customers need help to create these specs, and the HELGA team is always on hand to help customers.

    But HELGA is just one of the ways we are looking to help our customers meet their energy needs as they try to address CO2 and energy security issues.

    We have a long-term strategy to help the public sector reduce the cost and impact of all aspects of its energy consumption, by providing a range of services to cover the whole end-to-end process of utility management.

    In addition to our frameworks for electricity, gas, water and fuels, which allow customers to buy utilities at a low cost, we have recently introduced frameworks to help manage and reduce their energy consumption. These include Utilities Management Software, Metering and Ancillary Services (RM3800) and Demand Side Response (RM3792) frameworks. We are currently developing a Smart Energy Cities offering to manage new ‘Smart’ technologies and their impact on the way our customers use energy.

    We believe this willprovide our customers with the tools they needto help them manage the uncertainty of long-term energy prices and ever-changing technologies.

    The challenge facing CCS is that it needs to be influential – the place people turn to for public procurement excellence. That’s not just about developing innovative market-sensitive frameworks, but also about being in tune with policy initiatives that want to improve the lives of citizens throughout the country. HELGA is a great example of that kind of thinking, and this kind of leadership is how CCS can really make a difference.

     

    Adam Garbutt

    CCS Category Lead for Utilities & Fuels (Strategic)

    Crown Commercial Service – HELGA
    Tel: +44 (0)345 010 3503
    Email: [email protected]
    Website: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/crown-commercial-service

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    “jupes
    #2949792, posted on March 4, 2019 at 7:26 am
    It is a f$cking crime against humanity.

    You are an idiot.”

    And that’s putting it midly.

  30. Arky

    My identical twin is genetically me,

    ..
    No such thing.
    There are no two individuals with completely identical DNA.
    You know that. Stop lying.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    You are an idiot.

    Is is medically necessary?
    Only in a miniscule amount of cases which are corrected much later.
    Please explain to me why the mutilation of helpless baby boys by grown adults is necessary, Jupes.
    Stats please.

  32. Mother Lode

    I gather Rowe is trying to suggest that Howard and Abbott were involved in ‘institutional silence’ regarding p3d0s.

    Or is he suggesting that Howard and Abbott both participated in their own instances ‘institutional silence’?

    Do you think he has the slightest inkling that there are significant instances in the public education system? And I don’t recall hearing of anyone being fired on that grounds – could it be they were hushed up? By the Education Department – part of the government that Rowe and his fellow travellers should be expanded to the exclusion of all else?

    Then, of course, there is the ABC where so many Fairfaxers have gratefully migrated to when commercial reality hit their employer.

    Rowe has an unpleasant monomania about him.

  33. DrBeauGan

    You have the same dna now as you did when you were three weeks old. Go and change your nappy.

  34. Arky

    You also know of the studies on twins sepersted at birth that show remarkable similarities in their life drcisions.
    You ae all over the place with the confirmation bias, you slippery individual.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “Stimpson J. Cat
    #2949801, posted on March 4, 2019 at 7:44 am
    mutilation of helpless baby boys”

    Is this another one of your gripes against a certain religion? And no, it’s not mutilation. To compare it to FGM is ridiculous…..it doesn’t detract from male sexual pleasure.

  36. Interesting.

    On Monday the House judiciary committee, which is on the front line of renewed Democratic efforts to hold the president accountable, will issue demands for documents from more than 60 people and entities. The targets include the president’s son Donald Trump Jr and the chief finance officer of Trump’s business empire, Allen Weisselberg, both of whom have been implicated in payments made to an adult film actor on Trump’s behalf in violation of campaign finance laws.

  37. Arky

    This is some really silly stuff Beaugan.
    It will be boring the shit out of people.
    If you really believe that if you were adopted out at birth you become a different entity you are not serious.

  38. You are sounding more and more like bird, Stimpy.
    Not winning friends or influencing people either.

  39. Arky

    You have just made an argument that fully justifies infanticide.
    Don’t ever come on here again and pretend you believe there is any moral justification to limit abortion.

  40. duncanm

    Typical SFL – its all about me me me..

    Former foreign minister Julie Bishop … said the Coalition would be in a winning position if her colleagues had picked her to lead the Liberal Party.

    cry me a river.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    You have the same dna now as you did when you were three weeks old.

    Rubbish. The methylation patterns are different, which means gene expression is too.
    DNA methylation

  42. DrBeauGan

    It will be boring the shit out of people.
    If you really believe that if you were adopted out at birth you become a different entity you are not serious.

    It’s boring the shit out of me. If you believe that you are the same person as you were at three weeks, you’ve had a very dull life.

    And probably need to change your nappy.

  43. calli

    Comparing Rowe to today’s (very derivative) Leak, Rowe is sailing far closer to the wind than Leak senior ever did.

    But he’s protected, so it’s okay.

  44. calli

    DrBeauGan
    #2949786, posted on March 4, 2019 at 6:45 am
    Gab, it’s one of those aboriginal tribal customs that shows how deeply spiritual they are.

    Roughly a male version of fgm.

    Bull.

  45. Arky

    You are not genetically the same as you were last year.
    Genes switch on and off as you age.

  46. MatrixTransform

    I too would like some stats.

    Another case about which many men are silent.

    Cassie, why do I have a scar from the idiot with the scalpel?

    do you need photographic evidence?

    When

  47. Leigh Lowe

    Former foreign minister Julie Bishop … said the Coalition would be in a winning position if her colleagues had picked her to lead the Liberal Party.

    Yeah, and she also thought she had 28 party room votes when she had 11.
    Next.

  48. DrBeauGan

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2949812, posted on March 4, 2019 at 7:59 am
    You have the same dna now as you did when you were three weeks old.

    Rubbish. The methylation patterns are different, which means gene expression is too.
    DNA methylation

    The difference is fairly small but yes, I agree, the six week old child isn’t the same person as the present Arky. But the reasons are more than the genetic changes. His brain has grown more neurones too.

    Well, we hope so.

  49. The whistle question is a very good one Helen

    Fgm (which aboriginals also practice, the opposite way, for the opposite reason) you could see, perhaps, the genesis of, to prevent female sexual activity at it’s most extreme, but whistle cocking is very hard to fathom.

    Does anyone else do it?

  50. calli

    Whoops! Apologies Dr Beau. Copied and pasted the wrong block.

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2949789, posted on March 4, 2019 at 6:58 am
    Roughly a male version of fgm.

    No the male version is actually circumcision.
    Which is still carried out today.
    For no good reason.
    Everywhere.
    It is a f$cking crime against humanity.

    Bull.

    That’s better. 🙂

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting.

    Done to death you mean. Trump tower meeting was a DNC setup. Ms Wussian Femme Fatale met with the DNC before and after the meeting. Bang, that’s gone. The Stormy payoff had nothing to do with the campaign and Cohen’s own photo confirms campaign funds were not used. Bang, that’s gone too. A nothingburger is still a nothingburger no matter how often you wrap it with more layers of subpoenaed paper.

    Once Mueller’s report comes out Schiff will be stuck in the headlights of an oncoming truck – when his meeting with Glen Simpson of Fusion gets investigated. That places Schiff in on the whole conspiracy.

  52. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949817, posted on March 4, 2019 at 8:04 am
    You are not genetically the same as you were last year.
    Genes switch on and off as you age.

    And are influenced by environmental factors. So your argument falls apart.

  53. Nothing spiritual about fgm.

    Closed up with thorns until husband opens on the wedding night in the most extreme form

    What was the biography I read?
    Desert flower?

  54. Stimpson J. Cat

    You are sounding more and more like bird, Stimpy.
    Not winning friends or influencing people either.

    Oh no.
    People can’t mount a valid logical argument against points I raise using facts.
    And they don’t like me.
    Whatever will I do.
    Woe.

  55. Farmer Gez

    Is is medically necessary?
    Only in a miniscule amount of cases which are corrected much later.
    Please explain to me why the mutilation of helpless baby boys by grown adults is necessary, Jupes.
    Stats please.

    Sometimes it is.
    I had two nephews circumcised in their teens due to ongoing infections. It hurt one hell of a lot more due to the teenage growth in that area.

  56. Stimpson J. Cat

    Women seem extraordinarily cavalier about cutting flesh from baby boys for no good reason.
    Why is that?
    Literally no skin in the game?

  57. The fact is male circumcision is practiced for religious reasons and sometimes health.

    Except in extremely rare circumstances it does no harm and it has no effect on function.

    It’s a non issue, unless you have an agenda.

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sometimes it is.
    I had two nephews circumcised in their teens due to ongoing infections. It hurt one hell of a lot more due to the teenage growth in that area.

    The key word here is “Sometimes”.
    When necessary.
    I shouldn’t have to explain this.

  59. There is a good reason.

    I believe it’s found in the Old Testament.

    Don’t like it take it up with God.

  60. Arky

    And are influenced by environmental factors. So your argument falls apart.

    ..
    Not my argument. I made no argument on either DNA or environment as to which determines who you are, if we could even difine what that means, which we did not.
    Your argument is based on genetics.
    Based on you being you according to genetics when that suits your position, but on you being you based on environment when you want to excuse yourself from the abortion issue.
    You slippery eel.

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    The fact is male circumcision is practiced for religious reasons and sometimes health.
    Except in extremely rare circumstances it does no harm and it has no effect on function.
    It’s a non issue, unless you have an agenda.

    If you consider taking a scalpel to a baby boys penis for no good reason a non issue then I really can’t help you.

  62. Cassie of Sydney

    “It’s a non issue, unless you have an agenda.”

    He does have an agenda.

  63. MatrixTransform

    It’s a non issue, unless you have an agenda.

    the cog-dis required here is monumental

    scarred.
    the Old Man would joke about the doc nearly cutting it off.

    Do women here know about stitch-tunnels and the nuggets of sebaceous build up sometimes with attendant low grade infection?

    or is that a non-issue too?

  64. Wussian

    I know an excellent speech therapist….

  65. Cassie of Sydney

    “MatrixTransform
    #2949818, posted on March 4, 2019 at 8:04 am
    I too would like some stats.

    Another case about which many men are silent.

    Cassie, why do I have a scar from the idiot with the scalpel?

    do you need photographic evidence?

    When”

    Yes Matrix…send me a picture.

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    He does have an agenda.

    J€wish people are not the only ones who circumcise Cassie.
    You know this.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    Circumcision is to fgm as manicure is to amputation.

  68. Arky

    Your entire worldview is a ramshackle pile of evasions, inconsistencies and rehashed globs of nihilistic pop-science crap.

  69. MatrixTransform

    Yes Matrix…send me a picture.

    get real … you’ll have to just settle for the affidavit

  70. Eyrie

    Who was it wanted a fair fight with a venomous snake?
    If you go into any kind of fair fight you clearly have not done enough preparation.

  71. calli

    Derryn Hinch boasting on Sunrise

    “George Pell is now in jail because of me”.

    Keep digging that grave with your tongue, numbskull.

  72. Matrix

    Stimp has an agenda.

    Stated that there were rare bad outcomes.

    Also sometimes needed to be done later for health reasons as Farmer gez mentioned.

    I have heard similar.

  73. MatrixTransform

    we will now enjoy a short silence while they goggle stitch-tunnels to find out if their boyfriends and husbands and former partners may have had the festering d!ck problem.

    ie … its only an issue when it effects them.

    QED

  74. Thank you LL for that excellent analogy.

  75. Snoopy

    The Guardian. Bob, I’m guessing you ignore their requests for a donation?

  76. Tom

    A nothingburger is still a nothingburger no matter how often you wrap it with more layers of subpoenaed paper.

    Yet simpletons like Monty and Numbers keep posting junk written by their allies in the meeja which they think advances the leftard tribal interest. Always turns out it’s just wishful thinking that doesn’t stand up to rational scrutiny — which we see dozens of times a day from the Cat’s trolls.

    Leftard simpletons don’t do rational, just mindless conformity (which Numbers has spent a lifetime instilling in schoolchildren).

  77. min

    Is it medically necessary these days ? Depends how the male hygiene is .what are the rules re joining the forces ? Hospitals used to have quite a few patients having it done in the olden days if it were not done as a baby. Cannot remember when the AIDS issue was big but I had to sit through a training film of homosexual behaviour so as to encourage there is more than one way to do it so catching nasties was prevented.
    I also remember the story about the blonde haired blue eyed Jewish boy he got through the war mixing with the SS and surviving not getting caught. Cannot remember how he hid it in the men’s toilets.

  78. Eyrie

    On the topic of beautiful aircraft this has got to be one of the best looking piston engined aircraft ever. It exceeded its design goals for range, speed and altitude by at least 10%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-12_Rainbow#/media/File:XF12.jpg

  79. stackja

    Alice Lynne “Lindy” Chamberlain-Creighton (née Murchison; born 4 March 1948) is a New Zealand-born woman who was wrongfully convicted in one of Australia’s most publicised murder trials.

  80. Didn’t hunch admit to having something with a young girl back in the day?

  81. DrBeauGan

    Not my argument. I made no argument on either DNA or environment as to which determines who you are, if we could even difine what that means, which we did not.
    Your argument is based on genetics.
    Based on you being you according to genetics when that suits your position, but on you being you based on environment when you want to excuse yourself from the abortion issue.
    You slippery eel.

    You are the slippery one. Your argument was that had I been brought up by cannibals, it would still be me because we’d have the same genes. This has collapsed so you’re trying to say it was the basis of my argument instead of yours. Now you are shifting to abortion.

    I can forgive you because you’ve undermined your own position. But it would be quicker, simpler and more honest to give up on this garbage.

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    Notafan, you are advocating for cutting the flesh from baby boys based on a document written thousands of years ago, rather than modern medical science.
    Who is the crazy one here?

  83. MatrixTransform

    I’ll tell you what, women here put yr hand up if you’all been FGM’d.
    …I didnt think so

  84. Cassie of Sydney

    “Stimpson J. Cat
    #2949840, posted on March 4, 2019 at 8:19 am
    He does have an agenda.

    J€wish people are not the only ones who circumcise Cassie.
    You know this.”

    Yes I know this….but I also know your agenda….you have a lot of form.

  85. Stimpson J. Cat

    I know it’s me, but I had hoped it wasn’t you too.
    😁

  86. Farmer Gez

    Bloody hell! Whining about being circumcised.
    All I’ve ever had is compliments from the ladies. Like a good haircut.

  87. calli

    Seriously.

    I will not hang my head in shame for having my son circumcised. And my daughters for having their sons circumcised. And for being complicit in the behaviour because we all married circumcised men.

    Yep. Doublebad boo hoo oogga booga.

    A tired old argument that no one can win because omg it’s mgm!

    But it does make a nice, flat paddle to bash J-ws with.

  88. I’m not advocating anything.

    And stop with the stupid language ‘cutting flesh’

    I’m not prepared to trample a religious belief that goes back thousands of years that is rarely the cause of medical problems, more often the cure.

  89. stackja

    Taco Bell fire sauce saves lives’: Snowbound man survives for 5 days by eating sauce packets

  90. Arky

    No.
    You introduced the genetic argument here:

    I don’t think I was genetically programmed to have Christian values. I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility.

  91. modern medical science

    MMS has many faults.
    Its worst errors are buried.

  92. Just think Stimpy you and Jesus Christ might have something in common

  93. Arky

    Compare and contrast your shifting positions:

    Your argument was that had I been brought up by cannibals, it would still be me because we’d have the same genes.

    and:

    I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility.

  94. Snowbound man survives for 5 days by eating sauce packets …

    Fake news. We’re never going to see snow again.

  95. Leigh Lowe

    ‘Taco Bell fire sauce saves lives’: Snowbound man survives for 5 days by eating sauce packets

    OK.
    I am trying to imagine what the inside of his car looks like if he has 5 days supply of Taco Bell sauce packets lyimg around.

  96. DrBeauGan

    Leigh Lowe
    #2949841, posted on March 4, 2019 at 8:19 am
    Circumcision is to fgm as manicure is to amputation.

    There are various forms of fgm from the utterly horrific as practised by the faithful to small symbolic nicks practised by the more civilised.

    The more civilised are still barbarous arseholes of course.

  97. calli

    Pauline raised some triggering words for ol’ Derryn this morning.

    On the sudden retirement of all these Lib rats, follow the money. They retire on a percentage of their final salary. If they are in Opposition, that salary decreases substantially.

    Des would have a better insight than me, but it sounded about right. Always follow the money.

  98. Tel

    Trump tower meeting was a DNC setup.

    Yes it was … but more than that, the DNC was illegally interfering with the campaign on the other side, and if you look at strings pulled for Veselnitskaya’s visa extension it looks a lot like at least some of the Obama government was helping out with the illegal interference.

    Not really something you want to encourage in democracy (nor in a republic for that matter, if they had been able to keep it).

  99. Leigh Lowe

    There are various forms of fgm from the utterly horrific as practised by the faithful to small symbolic nicks practised by the more civilised.

    The “small nick” story is a myth propagated as a smokescreen for a barbaric RoP practice.

  100. calli

    mh

    It’s Truth or Dare Morning here at the Cat.

    🤣

  101. DrBeauGan

    Compare and contrast your shifting positions:

    Your argument was that had I been brought up by cannibals, it would still be me because we’d have the same genes.

    and:

    I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility.

    Arky, you are getting incoherent. I don’t know if there is some simple explanation such as your being drunk or if you’re losing it again.

    Calm down. Go for a run. But do stop this garbage. I shall do my bit by ignoring you for a few hours.

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just think Stimpy you and Jesus Christ might have something in common

    We have lots in common.
    We both rebelled against tradition and hypocrisy.
    And we both stood by our convictions in the face of opposition.
    That’s about it though, to be honest.
    😁

  103. Compare and contrast your shifting positions

    Enough dick talk thank you.

  104. Tom

    Stimpson’s not the son of God; he’s just a naughty boy.

  105. MatrixTransform

    dear dear, complex innit?

    All I’ve ever had is compliments from the ladies

    Over the years there be many that were very happy to see old scar-face again. 🙂

    Not whining.
    The problem is that many seem to believe it isnt significant.
    But it actually is, and its just that it isnt an issue that ever affected them.

    Strangely, the same people seem to be positively outraged at FGM which I should point out, is also an issue that in all likelihood doesn’t affect them either.

    Im trying to work out how these people settle with such a low-information mindset.

    Also trying to work out why they argue so hard in favour of something they dont understand. Arguing to the point of denial of at least one bloke sitting typing here who very nearly lost the whole tackle-box due to whimsy and er…convention.

  106. Eyrie

    The debate in Modern Medical Science on saturated fat in diet/cholesterol in blood and CVD has uncomfortable parallels with the climate change scam including outright science frauds like Ancel Keys and vested interests who profit.

  107. Arky

    Evasion.
    Do you even notice you are doing it?
    I did not start this discussion.
    I responded to you commenting to someone else and mentioning me, and mischaracterising something I previously said.
    If you aren’t up for it…
    But again, to restate the thing that seems to be currently spooking you into running away:
    Here you said:

    Your argument was that had I been brought up by cannibals, it would still be me because we’d have the same genes.
    ..

    Presumably, you are taking the position contrary to your mischaracterisation here of my argument.
    i.e you don’t believe genes makes you you.
    But here you think it is all genetic determinism:

    ..
    I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility.

    ..
    Which is it?

  108. Entropy

    Calli, I wish I had circumised my son. Years of fighting urinary tract infections that I never had.

  109. Nob

    Happily circumcised Nob here.

    Having heard plenty from blokes who had to have it done when adults, I’m eternally grateful that it was the norm for Australian newborn males in most hospitals in the 1950s.

    Not remotely comparable to FGM. Leigh Lowe got it right with the manicure Vs amputation comparison. Although your foreskin doesn’t grow back.

  110. MatrixTransform

    Enough dick talk thank you.

    This is Viktoriastan …all things dick will be a moot point soon

  111. dover_beach

    William:

    It’s well to claim that you can (sort of) do morality without God, because Aristotle pointed out that human beings have natured ordered in such-and-such a way, and even if you don’t assume God, you can still do moral reasoning. But that’s just sweeping the metaphysical assumption that makes a concept such as human nature and its concomitant ‘final cause’ coherent under the carpet.

    Not sweeping God under the carpet, rather just leaving him in the background for the moment, because ultimately Feser is saying human nature and final causes depend upon God. In other words, he’s arguing that you can do objective morality coherently with formal and final causes, but any interrogation of them leads to God.

    Nietzsche in the ‘Mad Man’ scene of the Gay Science pointed out that the Enlightenment project of a reason-based universal ethics, and any other like it, is ultimately a sandcastle that ubermenschen are free to trample. Kant, and his modern day proponents like Sir Roger Scruton, admit that there’s an a priori assumption, which, if bought into, makes for an internally consistent, universally agreeable ethic of reasonable treatment of subjects. The categorical imperative is a hell of a powerful formulation; but it still’s open to demolition.

    Sure, but this is why I pointed you to Feser’s The Last Superstition as he critiques modern attempts to ground morality in reason without reference to formal and final causes.

  112. Nob

    Possibly why I got through my teens and twenties with no STDs despite trying my hardest. No condoms either. That’s probably a crime now.

  113. Tel

    The fact is male circumcision is practiced for religious reasons and sometimes health.
    Except in extremely rare circumstances it does no harm and it has no effect on function.
    It’s a non issue, unless you have an agenda.

    It’s an issue of consent, and babies cannot give consent to something that’s irreversible and unnecessary. Doing it as an adult is perfectly fine if you want that.

    Circumcision is to fgm as manicure is to amputation.

    Bullshit! Finger nail is not flesh, and a finger nail grows back.

  114. Nob #2949891, posted on March 4, 2019 at 8:53 am

    Made me laugh.

  115. Percy Popinjay

    CL, thanks for the demolition of Hadley. What an unctuous despicable toad. Only in this country could such a no talent nong end up as a public figure. See also Hunch,D.

  116. pete m

    Stimpson is regularly crucified on the Cat too.

  117. Nob

    Doing it as an adult is perfectly fine

    Bullshit! It’s a feckin nightmare according every account.

  118. Johno

    What does NASA actually do now?
    Since 2011? it has been paying Russia to transport it astronauts to the space station.
    It is now paying Space ex to resupply the space station.
    It has been awarded $21 billion by congress to return to the moon.
    What will they actually contribute to the moon venture?

  119. Arky

    What will they actually contribute to the moon venture?

    ..
    Without Saturn V, very little.

  120. Percy Popinjay

    Doing it as an adult is perfectly fine

    Was there not a biblical/mythical tale where some Joos snuck into their enemy’s camp the night before a scheduled battle and circumcised the the lot of them? Needless to say, the enemy where not up for a fight the next day, as it were.

  121. Arky

    Unless it’s all unmanned, robotic stuff.

  122. Arky

    Was there not a biblical/mythical tale where some Joos snuck into their enemy’s camp the night before a scheduled battle and circumcised the the lot of them?

    ..
    No.
    They convinced them to circumcise themselves in order to take israelite brides.
    Then they snuck into the town and killed them all.

  123. Percy Popinjay

    What does NASA actually do now?

    Didn’t Obongo decree NASA should concentrate on battling climate change and being sensitive to moozleys?

  124. DrBeauGan

    i.e you don’t believe genes makes you you.
    But here you think it is all genetic determinism:

    ..
    I think I was genetically programmed to have a moral sensibility.

    ..
    Which is it?

    I didn’t mischaracterise your argument, which started off by asking what I had against cannibalism, presumably because William asked me how I’d persuade Hannibal Lector that eating people is wrong. I said I wouldn’t try.

    To answer your question, I don’t believe that my genes make me me. I think that my brain states are also part of what makes me me.

    You asked me whether I would still think cannibalism were wrong if I’d been brought up by cannibals. I replied that if I had been brought up by cannibals, it wouldn’t be me, it would be someone else. You assured me it would still be me, because we’d have the same genes. I didn’t argue, as I might have done, that what makes me me is more than my genes. I let you go on with your definition and you triumphantly destroyed your own position.

    Now please stop. You don’t seem capable of recalling your own arguments, let alone following mine.

  125. stackja

    Labor pollie accused of unlawful use of electors’ details
    Anna Caldwell, The Daily Telegraph
    March 4, 2019 6:27am
    Subscriber only

    A state Labor MP in a battleground seat has been referred to the Electoral Commission after being caught out using the electoral roll to search for the addresses of people leaving critical comments on her Facebook page.

    Labor MP for Port Stephens Kate Washington provided screenshots of the searches to the ABC as she pitched a story on “fake” Facebook profiles making political criticism.

    Despite redacting the voters’ addresses, the screenshots listed the voters’ suburbs, postcodes and ages — which the NSW Liberal Party claims is a serious breach of the Electoral Act and restrictions on use of the roll by political parties.

  126. MatrixTransform

    Having heard plenty from blokes who had to have it done when adults

    Where there are benefits or requirements then granted.
    My argument is that doing this to infants is unnecessary and brutal.
    Go watch a youbute video and hear some screams that will chill you to your core

    eternally grateful

    Look, so am I because I dodged a bullet and even though I have only relatively minor lifelong chronic
    problems like nerve pain, scars, and infections … the whole thing is relatively low-maintenance.
    Unlike my boy who wasnt nipped and who had to be instructed by a doctor on various details surrounding the maint.

    See, I couldnt know what I didnt know …so was fairly useless in pre-dr-google days

    Not remotely comparable to FGM

    I ‘m pretty sure neither Stimpy or myself are not even making that argument.
    Those making the comparison are doing so for the wrong reasons.

    That FGM is barbaric, is no reason to diminish what happens to so many baby boys.

  127. stackja

    Liberal insiders dispute Julie Bishop’s vote claim
    Sheradyn Holderhead, The Daily Telegraph
    March 3, 2019 11:55pm
    Subscriber only

    Liberal Party conservatives and moderates have finally found common ground — that Julie Bishop can’t count.

    MPs and government insiders yesterday privately criticised the party’s former deputy leader over an interview in which she hit out at fellow outgoing MP Christopher Pyne for persuading colleagues to put their support behind Scott Morrison rather than her.

    The Sunday Telegraph revealed yesterday than Ms Bishop believed she had secured the support of at least 28 of her colleagues to be Liberal leader but when the ballots were counted in the August coup she only received 11 votes and was knocked out in the first round.

    But conservatives and moderates familiar with the numbers for the leadership spill discounted her claims — though most were glad she did not directly attack Mr Morrison.

    One conservative said Ms Bishop never had 28 votes and that Mr Pyne only swung up to eight votes behind Mr Morrison.

  128. hzhousewife

    Derryn Hinch boasting on Sunrise

    “George Pell is now in jail because of me”.

    Keep digging that grave with your tongue, numbskull.

    What a disgusting claim to fame.
    May he never live it down.

  129. MatrixTransform

    Hmm, wondering again to myself…

    do you guys know what they do with the circumcised bits?

    into the bin?
    sent into orbit on a rocket?

  130. calli

    Go watch a youbute video and hear some screams that will chill you to your core

    Then the surgeon is a sadist.

    I’ve been to my grandson’s Bris and not a peep. Over in seconds.

  131. Eyrie

    This from WUWT deserves wider dissemination, he’s as good as struth:

    Gator
    March 2, 2019 at 9:37 am

    Damn it Tom! I wasn’t going to post this, and then you “triggered” me with your well targeted comment.

    With my sincerest apologies to Joni Mitchell…

    Both Sides Now

    Woes and blows to warmist scares
    Excise schemes now in cross hairs
    And weather claxons now despair
    I’ve looked at clouds that way

    We all know that they block the sun
    And rain and snow on everyone
    So many things frauds would have done
    But clouds got in their way

    We’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
    From cool and warm, and still somehow
    Warmist delusions I recall
    They really don’t know clouds at all

    Loons and goons with feckless deals
    Are busy advancing their ideal
    And so their fairytale reveal
    We’ve heard them yack away

    But now it’s not supposed to snow
    So we’re laughing as they eat crow
    And polar bears, their numbers grow
    Hint: check the Hudson bay

    We’ve looked for signs of high tides now
    From near and far, no rise somehow
    Warmist delusions we recall
    They really don’t know squat at all

    Tears and fears and feeling proud
    To say “It’s bullshit!” right out loud
    Dreams and schemes of circus clowns
    The crooks’ in disarray

    This now transends just acting strange
    We shake our heads, they’re so deranged
    They’re data’s lost, still unexplained
    United Nations way

    We’ve heard their crap, their sacred cow
    From kin and news and still somehow
    It’s Mann’s delusions I recall
    He really don’t crap at all

    I’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
    From cool and warm, and still somehow
    Those warmists really are dirt balls
    They really don’t know clouds at all

  132. Arky

    You assured me it would still be me, because we’d have the same genes.

    .
    No, I didn’t.

  133. Eyrie

    Both Sides Now

    Woes and blows to warmist scares
    Excise schemes now in cross hairs
    And weather claxons now despair
    I’ve looked at clouds that way

    We all know that they block the sun
    And rain and snow on everyone
    So many things frauds would have done
    But clouds got in their way

    We’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
    From cool and warm, and still somehow
    Warmist delusions I recall
    They really don’t know clouds at all

    Loons and goons with feckless deals
    Are busy advancing their ideal
    And so their fairytale reveal
    We’ve heard them yack away

    But now it’s not supposed to snow
    So we’re laughing as they eat crow
    And polar bears, their numbers grow
    Hint: check the Hudson bay

    We’ve looked for signs of high tides now
    From near and far, no rise somehow
    Warmist delusions we recall
    They really don’t know squat at all

    Tears and fears and feeling proud
    To say “It’s bullshit!” right out loud
    Dreams and schemes of circus clowns
    The crooks’ in disarray

    This now transends just acting strange
    We shake our heads, they’re so deranged
    They’re data’s lost, still unexplained
    United Nations way

    We’ve heard their crap, their sacred cow
    From kin and news and still somehow
    It’s Mann’s delusions I recall
    He really don’t crap at all

    I’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
    From cool and warm, and still somehow
    Those warmists really are dirt balls
    They really don’t know clouds at all

  134. Arky

    I think that my brain states are also part of what makes me me.

    ..
    So if you have a few too many drinks you aren’t you?

  135. C.L.

    The ABC begins the Four Corners teasers …

    How a devastated family watched their son’s life spiral after George Pell abuse.

    The family of one of the boys sexually abused by George Pell have revealed their sadness and anger at watching their son’s life spiral out of control in the wake of his abuse.

    The boy was one of two 13-year-old choirboys molested by Pell in the priests’ sacristy at St Patrick’s Cathedral in 1996.

    His father has told Four Corners how they watched their son change from a cheerful young kid — with no idea why.

    “He went from being this lovely boy, who used to come to the football with me, who used to go and help his grandparents and helped around the house, to this boy wanting to go out all the time,” he said…

    Within a year of the abuse, the boy had started using heroin.

    “I noticed some bits of foil, that had been burnt. My parents noticed that — his grandparents,” his father said.

    His mother twice asked him if he had been sexually abused, but he never revealed what had happened to him.

    “It’s devastating to watch your child spiral out like that. It was very hard to watch,” she told Four Corners.

    Their son died of a drug overdose in 2014.

    Meanwhile, to their good friend and leak recipient Louise Milligan, Victoria police admit they wanted Pell because they didn’t like him:

    While Pell was cooperative at all times, Sergeant Smith says they faced arrogance from him.

    “There’s a level of arrogance that some people get to where they’re at this position in standing in the community. When you are seen to be someone with some level of importance, I think there is a level of arrogance that goes with that. And he’s not going to hide that from the police,” he said.

    The family and police have praised the bravery of the victim who came forward and whose testimony ultimately convicted Pell

    The victim has asked for his identity to be kept private in the wake of the guilty verdict.

    “He’s a credit to himself and he needs to be congratulated because he’s done a very, very good job at being believed,” Sergeant Smith said.

    “All you can do is tell the truth, he can’t do any more than that. And for a jury of his peers to believe him, I mean, it’s fantastic.

    “No-one’s above the law. The Catholic Church isn’t above the law.”

    A teenage boy stopped being as nice as he used to be … a totally unprecedented mystery!
    He started using heroin at 14? Bullshit.
    He died in 2014 – which would make him a user for 20 years.

  136. twostix

    On Monday the House judiciary committee, which is on the front line of renewed Democratic efforts to hold the president accountable, will issue demands for documents from more than 60 people and entities. The targets include the president’s son Donald Trump Jr and the chief finance officer of Trump’s business empire, Allen Weisselberg, both of whom have been implicated in payments made to an adult film actor on Trump’s behalf in violation of campaign finance laws.

    One day, maybe in as little as five years there will be another Democrat president.

    Like we’re enjoying Trump’s use of Obama’s executive order expansion, we’ll enjoy using these new tools too.

  137. Dr Faustus

    US House Panel launches Trump ‘abuse of power’ probe

    The head of the US House Judiciary Committee say the panel would seek documents from more than 60 people and entities as part of a probe into possible obstruction of justice and abuse of power by President Donald Trump.

    Nadler said it was too soon to consider whether impeachment should be pursued, however.

    “Before you impeach somebody, you have to persuade the American public that it ought to happen,” he said.

    Personally, I would have thought the first step before impeachment is to prove a ‘high crime or misdemeanour’. But, then, I’m not a Dim Congressman.

  138. MatrixTransform

    Do you use rubber bands?

    that answer is no.
    my question is why would I?
    …hmm cant tell if its a piss-take or some more secret men’s business I was never told.

  139. While Pell was cooperative at all times, Sergeant Smith says they faced arrogance from him.

    Arrogance is a gaolable offence?

    I’m in trouble.

  140. Johno

    I guess NASA will act as a conduit to funnel money to Space Ex.
    All those empty suits doing make work and basking in the reflected glory of moon base establishment.
    Space Ex didn’t have the funding that NASA had but they can re-use rockets, and resup the space station.
    I wonder how far along the space exploration track we would be now if private enterprise was given the incentive to take it over.
    Mars?then what? Elon is a bit of a strange dude but he can make the magic dance.
    NASA can do the BBQ and speeches.

  141. candy

    Rowe is saying Tomy Abbott is a p…ph… No reasonable person could see that diagram any other way. As if TA would complain though. He lets the Left walk over him.

  142. calli

    That 14 year old. Was there a father about, or just mum and grandparents?

    He never revealed what had happened, despite being directly asked twice?

    Hmmm.

  143. Arky

    So Beaugan is himself at birth, until he is adopted out to new parents, whereupon he becomes someone else person 2, until one day he drinks too much and becomes a third person, person 3, only to sober up, and subsequently return to the state of being person 2, albeit with a hangover.

  144. MatrixTransform

    I’ve been to my grandson’s Bris and not a peep. Over in seconds.

    I reckon there is some disconnect (excuse the pun) between practices.

    Here I am thinking the jewish are the luckiest bastards

  145. Farmer Gez

    Hmm, wondering again to myself…

    do you guys know what they do with the circumcised bits?

    into the bin?
    sent into orbit on a rocket?

    Goes to the pussy (the doctor’s cat).

  146. MatrixTransform

    I’ve been to my grandson’s Bris and not a peep. Over in seconds.

    I reckon there is some disconnect (excuse the pun) between practices.

    Here I am thinking that those who get a bris (spaminator dodging) are the luckiest bastards

  147. min

    Interesting tvs last night although I didn’t watch all . It was the case of two 12 year olds who stabbed and killed a friend and then told stories about a tall thin man.
    Lots of psychiatrists talking about mental health . the prefrontal cortex , maybe schizophrenia .
    Not really a similar case but it did show teenagers behaving badly and making up a story.

  148. DrBeauGan

    You assured me it would still be me, because we’d have the same genes.

    .
    No, I didn’t.

    Go back upthread and check.

  149. Don’t let ABC management seduce you

    Janet Albrechtsen has written a job application in today’s Oz to get herself back on the ABC board.
    She’s also offered Ita Buttrose some gratuitous advice.

    Both are preposterous notions, but the second one is breathtakingly arrogant.

  150. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ve been to my grandson’s Bris and not a peep. Over in seconds.

    Was there an anaesthetist present?
    I wouldn’t want any part of me cut off without anesthetic.
    Am I all alone in this?
    Looks like I’m the crazy one again.

  151. Geriatric Mayfly

    “There’s a level of arrogance that some people get to where they’re at this position in standing in the community.

    Plod meets intellect.

  152. DrBeauGan

    So if you have a few too many drinks you aren’t you?

    Correct. I’m not really me until I’ve had a night’s sleep, and even then there are differences.

  153. twostix

    “Before you impeach somebody, you have to persuade the American public that it ought to happen,” he said.

    lol, they’ve spent 100% of the last three years attempting to ‘pursuade’ the public.

    Anyday now.

  154. Arky

    Go back upthread and check.

    ..
    I did.
    You are wrong.

  155. Arky

    You are too busy overlaying the pop- atheist mischaracterisations over my arguments to read them accurately.

  156. Johno

    Couldn’t you just put a bit of pipe inside your foreskin and then wrap a really tight lacky band around it.or use an elastrator ring. They do that with piles now.No knives,bleeding or religious dudes.

  157. Mother Lode

    Comparing Rowe to today’s (very derivative) Leak, Rowe is sailing far closer to the wind than Leak senior ever did.

    That is how it looks to me.

    I would assume he has accepted (as he is entitled) that Pell is guilty. The words on the cone, though, do not refer to that. They read ‘Institutional Silence’ – the supposed cover up, which the recent court case against the Cardinal did not address.

    Okay, so he might claim (and I am by means certain he thinks this clearly) that Pell is the face of the Church in Australia and therefore the cover ups (a claim slightly dented by the minuscule fact that Pell was the first person in the Church world-wide to confront the issue, bringing it out into the open).

    But how does that extend to Howard and Abbott.

    I honestly think Rowe is broken.

    I hope it is painful.

  158. max

    Francis Sullivan tonight on Q&A will be there as a woke Catholic – in other words someone unable to defend the indefensible. Of course, that is why he has been given a seat – he’s like a beached swordfish gasping out its last breaths on the shore surrounded by gawping yobs.
    The Church has to start throwing it back at the ABC and Vicpol.

  159. Dr Faustus

    Louise Milligan, fizzing at the bung over her date with fame:

    On the suicided victim:

    His mother twice asked him if he had been sexually abused, but he never revealed what had happened to him.

    Well, he sort of did: nothing.

    On the heroic Taskforce SANO cop:

    While Pell was cooperative at all times, Sergeant Smith says they faced arrogance from him.

    Arrogance you say? Arrogance? Well, FMD, guilty as charged.

    Post-modern retributive justice: based on socially-mediated facts.
    Bankers beware. This new and improved approach to jurisprudence won’t go away.

  160. Farmer Gez

    The weather bureau on Jon Faine.
    Hot weekend and snow for the Alps by Wednesday.
    No shortage of extreme weather, says Faine.
    Climate change proven ABC style.

  161. MatrixTransform

    and then wrap a really tight lacky band around

    I didnt search but I bet theres a DIY on http://www.instructables.com

  162. Des Deskperson

    ‘Des would have a better insight than me, but it sounded about right. Always follow the money.’

    Calli, I am by no means an expert on Parliamentary retirement and super arrangements but generally speaking, “Senators and Members, who were paid a salary or allowance for serving as a Minister of State or an office-holder, are entitled to an additional retiring allowance which is calculated as a percentage (based on length of service in that office) of the additional applicable salary in respect of that office.”

    ‘Were paid a salary’, seems to imply that a Minister who loses office for any reason but then continues as a ordinary MP would still have his/her former salary calculated into the benefit package. It seems unlikely, after all, that a long serving Minster who drops back to an MP forgoes that service in his/her retirement benefit calculation.

    I suspect that there may be an actuarial advantage in retiring while you are still a Minister, but it’s not clear, at least to me, what that might be.

  163. Andreas

    payments made to an adult film actor on Trump’s behalf in violation of campaign finance laws.

    Fake news from The Guardian. When was it ruled that the payment violated campaign finance laws.

  164. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2949931, posted on March 4, 2019 at 9:24 am
    So Beaugan is himself at birth, until he is adopted out to new parents, whereupon he becomes someone else person 2, until one day he drinks too much and becomes a third person, person 3, only to sober up, and subsequently return to the state of being person 2, albeit with a hangover.

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all. It’s a convenient fiction, but there isn’t anything you can point at that doesn’t change continuously. I agree that most people can agree on which one of a dozen people is Beaugy, but the internal me keeps changing. Obviously we all have points in common at different times, but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

  165. MatrixTransform

    Post-modern retributive justice

    I’m looking forward to more posse’s and witch-burnings because we’ve lost so many of our ancient ways.
    Books too … and libraries …

  166. candy

    Someone shooting up heroin from 14 would have damaged brain and body and be habitual liar, if they even still alive. I reckon he has been abused by someone though not Cardinal Pell.

  167. Arky

    Read it again carefully and realise it is not an argument for genetic determinism.
    It is three separate statements of fact:
    ..

    You could be raised by cannibals and still genetically you.

    -True

    ..
    You would still be you.

    – This is the point of contention.

    As I said, you could train yourself, or be trained to loosen some of those bounds of Christian morality..

    -Obviously an argument against genetic determinism.

  168. Dr Faustus

    One conservative said Ms Bishop never had 28 votes and that Mr Pyne only swung up to eight votes behind Mr Morrison.

    It looks like she didn’t really have 11 votes either: Warren Entsch regrets backing Julie Bishop in spill

  169. DrBeauGan

    I did.
    You are wrong.

    I don’t believe you, but I don’t care enough to find your quote. I think you’re going slightly nutty about this. Give it away.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    That 14 year old. Was there a father about, or just mum and grandparents?

    My understanding is that the marriage bust up happened right about then.

  171. dover_beach

    While Pell was cooperative at all times, Sergeant Smith says they faced arrogance from him.

    Challenge a police officer and see if you’re faced with arrogance. Wow. Just wow. From what BrettW reported last evening, the investigators in Rome couldn’t even nail down the particulars of the case correctly during the interview.

    “He’s a credit to himself and he needs to be congratulated because he’s done a very, very good job at being believed,” Sergeant Smith said.

    This is gobsmacking stuff. Again, from what BrettW reported, the investigators first claimed the molestation occurred ‘after choir’, then we are told after Mass, then that the molestation occurred in the Archbishop’s sacristy only to be told that no altar is kept their but in the the priest’s sacristy (we learn elsewhere that the Archbishop’s sacristy was not in use at this time due to renovations), then that Pell parted his unpartable vestments, and so on.

    When the Court of Appeals expunges this conviction for unreasonableness, Pell, anyone, needs to go after VicPol. The stench coming from the prosecution’s case is sickening.

    “No-one’s above the law. The Catholic Church isn’t above the law.”

    Indeed, and hopely you will soon find out that neither are VicPol, although I sense a deal has been struck between you and the government over Gobo, you tartuffe.

  172. DrBeauGan

    You would still be you.

    – This is the point of contention.

    Thanks for confirming what I said you said.

  173. Arky

    but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

    ..
    Well let’s repeal all the laws against impinging on your or your property, because your identity is just metaphysical bullshit.
    This is nihilistic nonsense that opens the door for the totalitarian nightmare to come.
    Don’t complain when it turns on you. You argued for it.

  174. Geriatric Mayfly

    That 14 year old. Was there a father about, or just mum and grandparents?

    Don’t spoil the narrative with extraneous considerations.

  175. do you guys know what they do with the circumcised bits?

    Matrix didn’t get it.

    They are used as a replacement for rubber bands and drive belts for small motors.

  176. Snoopy

    Within a year of the abuse, the boy had started using heroin.

    “I noticed some bits of foil, that had been burnt. My parents noticed that — his grandparents,” his father said.

    So of course there will be records of the treatment and counselling the parents arranged to cure their son’s drug addiction?

  177. C.L.

    “There’s a level of arrogance that some people get to where they’re at this position in standing in the community.”

    Just smell the resentment wafting off the typical dumb copper.
    These are the 60-somethings pulling over BMWs at RBTs, hoping against hope they can get even with somebody who made something of their lives.

  178. dover_beach

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all. It’s a convenient fiction, but there isn’t anything you can point at that doesn’t change continuously. I agree that most people can agree on which one of a dozen people is Beaugy, but the internal me keeps changing. Obviously we all have points in common at different times, but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

    And people make fun of post-modernism.

  179. Dr BeauGan;

    The first part sounds good, Struth, but I don’t want any young nymphets calling me “father”. It would put me off patting their bottoms. “Brother” would be every bit as bad. I think everyone should call each other “mate”.

    I think we are onto something here.
    Who shall be our Godhead?
    Apart from ourselves, of course.
    Nominations for positions, please.
    I Bags ‘KellarMeister”.

  180. Arky

    Did Beaugan just conclude our discussion by insisting that Beaugan does not really exist?

  181. feelthebern

    How come the Oz-Indo FTA agreement is getting zero coverage today?

  182. Stimpson J. Cat

    do you guys know what they do with the circumcised bits?

    Why yes, yes I do actually.

  183. C.L.

    The head of the US House Judiciary Committee say the panel would seek documents from more than 60 people and entities as part of a probe into possible obstruction of justice and abuse of power by President Donald Trump.

    This time.
    Jerrold Nadler is the Impeachment Neo. He is the one.

  184. For your crime of arrogance, [dons black skull cap] I hereby sentence you to …

  185. Des Deskperson

    ‘I’ve voted Liberal all my life’ man in the street Johan Hedstrom tells the ABC he will be changing his vote with the forcing NAW elections because climate change:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-04/climate-change-policies-major-battleground-in-nsw-election/10865732

    Like most ABC voices in the crowd, Hedstrom is not quite your average punter. from his Linkedin page:

    ‘I am an experienced equities analyst, having started my career as a geologist in the early 1980s. Since 1984 I have worked in funds management, stockbroking, independent research and now as a consultant analyst. Although most of my career has been focused on oil and gas companies, I am now only interested in renewable energy, or businesses that enhance energy efficiency.’

    Hedstrom may well have a strong personal commitment to fighting climate change. There may have been no financial or career advantage to him in moving to a focus on ‘renewable energy, or businesses that enhance energy efficiency.’

    But the ABC still should have told us that he was in the business of renewable energy.

  186. MatrixTransform

    They are used as a replacement for rubber bands and drive belts for small motors.

    ah!
    I’m a bit slow
    your Scalextric car is faster than mine.

  187. Geriatric Mayfly

    The family of one of the boys sexually abused by George Pell have revealed their sadness and anger at watching their son’s life spiral out of control in the wake of his abuse.
    The boy was one of two 13-year-old choirboys molested by Pell in the priests’ sacristy at St Patrick’s Cathedral in 1996.

    Was this second boy’s claim ever proven or simply assumed because of the evidence given by the one still alive? Dead men do tell tales after all.

  188. MatrixTransform

    Why yes, yes I do actually

    Something about Fibroblasts … or some such trivia

  189. Arky

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all. It’s a convenient fiction, but there isn’t anything you can point at that doesn’t change continuously. I agree that most people can agree on which one of a dozen people is Beaugy, but the internal me keeps changing. Obviously we all have points in common at different times, but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

    ..
    This is the point in the pages of calculations where you end up with the line:
    A = A
    It tells you you made an error somewhere.
    Be a good man and try to figure out which of your assumptions are wrong.

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s all a very funny joke.
    Ha ha.
    Ha ha ha.
    Laugh with me folks.

  191. Gab

    “There’s a level of arrogance that some people get to where they’re at this position in standing in the community.”

    Agree that most coppers – not all – are arrogant. Especially the detectives.

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    The government has pushed the ABC to disclose how much Michelle Guthrie’s payout cost taxpayers. The Oz

    Another gag order. Quite the fashion.

  193. struth

    Good Moaning.
    My god, who wears a polo neck these days?

    Not trendy at all.

    Arky, Dr BG admitted last night that his moral values come from his Christian cultural upbringing, not from his D&A.
    Are you guys just to and fro’ing for the sake of it?
    It’s amusing none the less.

    Des, would you have any idea of the actual package Chrissy Pyne or Julie Bishop would be on once they’ve left parliament?

  194. MatrixTransform

    Patrick Moore …
    @EcoSenseNow
    ‘@AOC ‘s Green New Deal calls for:
    “(J) removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.”https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sites/ocasio-cortez.house.gov/files/Resolution%20on%20a%20Green%20New%20Deal.pdf …
    Technically (scientifically) this would mean removing all H2O vapour and all CO2 which would mean the eradication of all life on Earth.
    Brilliant. 🙄🙄

  195. Snoopy

    arrogant
    /ˈarəɡ(ə)nt/
    adjective
    1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities
    2. declining to admit guilt to an alleged crime during a police interview (Victoria).

  196. Stimpson J. Cat

    Des, would you have any idea of the actual package Chrissy Pyne or Julie Bishop would be on once they’ve left parliament?

    I’m fairly certain that the package Christopher Pyne will be on would be very different to the one that Jackie Lambie would be on if that helps.

  197. DrBeauGan

    Well let’s repeal all the laws against impinging on your or your property, because your identity is just metaphysical bullshit.

    Don’t be sillier than you have to be. The convenience of pretending there is an unchanging Beaugy is quite real, but it’s just a convenient fiction. Like pretending that a company is a person.

    When granddad’s axe needs a new handle and it gets one, is it still the same axe? When later it needs a new blade, is it still the same axe? There are advantages in saying it is, but the truth is that over time there are two different axes and confusing them is just silly. Unless there are some advantages to doing so, such as who inherits granddad’s axe.

    You choose to think of yourself as a thing. I see myself as a process. I don’t know what the attraction of thinginess is to you, and wouldn’t dream of taking it away even if I could.

  198. Arky

    Arky, Dr BG admitted last night that his moral values come from his Christian cultural upbringing, not from his D&A.

    ..
    He is a slippery individual who makes whatever argument suits him at the time.
    He just argued that he doesn’t really exist.
    I think this is the ultimate form of camouflage.
    “Look! You can’t beat me, I don’t actually exist”!

  199. Stimpson J. Cat

    Patrick Moore …

    Imagine being crazier than the founder of Greenpeace.
    It’s awe inspiring.

  200. Arky

    The convenience of pretending there is an unchanging Beaugy is quite real,

    ..
    Got it.
    The thing we are pretending exists is real.
    No worries there.

  201. DrBeauGan

    He is a slippery individual who makes whatever argument suits him at the time.
    He just argued that he doesn’t really exist.
    I think this is the ultimate form of camouflage.
    “Look! You can’t beat me, I don’t actually exist”!

    Oh I exist alright Arky. But I’m not sure what you think the only word exist means.

    I’m glad Struth finds this exchange amusing. I don’t. It’s juvenile undergraduate crap as far as I’m concerned.

  202. Snoopy

    If only there was a Model A Ford somewhere needing a bit of attention.

  203. DrBeauGan

    Got it.
    The thing we are pretending exists is real.
    No worries there.

    No you illiterate twat. It’s the convenience that’s real.

  204. struth

    In the men’s only Church of the Holy Meat Tray and BYO Esky, we will worship one god .Trump.
    May peace be upon him.
    We will wear MAGA hats.
    We will have many saints, from st John Wayne to st Al Bundy, from sportsman to musicians etc.
    We shall only accept the circumcised , because polo necks are gay.
    Our Nunnery will be serving the nibblies in really really short habits.

    Anyone who is in a men’s shed will be unable to join.
    That’s gay as well.

  205. MatrixTransform

    It’s awe inspiring.

    saw a funny meme … AOC wants to change the emergency 911 number … because mobile phones done have an 11 on the keyboard

  206. Arky

    . It’s juvenile undergraduate crap as far as I’m concerned.

    ..
    I agree.
    But I have persisted with you anyway.
    Run away again.
    Your absurd conclusions remain for anyone who wants to see how superficial you really are.

  207. Des, would you have any idea of the actual package Chrissy Pyne or Julie Bishop would be on once they’ve left parliament?

    Do some digging around here.

  208. MatrixTransform

    Men will be cutting their bits off just to get access to the bar at Stuth’s Party.

    I know a guy who does a Men’s group thing … looks like self flagellation to me

  209. Jessie

    Phallic Rites and Initiation Ceremonies of the South Australian Aborigines
    Author(s): R. H. Mathews
    Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society
    Vol. 39, No. 164 (Oct. – Dec., 1900), pp. 622-638 (17 pages)
    Published by: American Philosophical Society

    available for download on JSTOR
    Description of practices in Sth Australia (NT) known as sub-incision.

    Pictorials c/- United Nations 197, cultural anthro-pology

    Subincision of the penis is a traditional ritual mutilation unique to the Aborigines, the indigenous people of Australia. The mutilation is a urethrotomy in which the undersurface of the penis is incised and the urethra slit open lengthwise. Subincision is one element in the initiation of Aboriginal youths. In later ceremonies, repeated throughout adult life, the subincised penis is used as a site for ritual bloodletting. There also exists a ritual of penis holding which occurs when a subincised man enters a strange camp. The origin of subincision and the reason for its localization to the Australian continent has not been satisfactorily explained. The mutilation is still performed among tribal Aborigines, and identifies a man as holding a position of status within the tribe.

    Pounder DJ, Ritual mutilation. Subincision of the penis among Australian Aborigines
    Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 1983 Sep;4(3):227-9

    John E Cawte also published on sub-incision.Google same.

  210. Armadillo:

    Long handles are for pussies.

    A real bloke would attack it ( a snake) with nothing more than a dinner fork.

    I think that you have an agenda.

  211. DrBeauGan

    I agree.
    But I have persisted with you anyway.
    Run away again.
    Your absurd conclusions remain for anyone who wants to see how superficial you really are.

    You suffer from the mistaken belief that you can produce a coherent argument. Or maybe you just like burbling more than fixing your model A. You’re boring me with your stupidity, whether real or assumed.

  212. Jessie

    regarding ongoing Pell discussion ,
    BrettW#2949704, posted on March 4, 2019 at 12:25 am
    Doesn’t that just point out the absurdity? Would have loved it if Pell had said yes, I identify as Aboriginal (technically he is aboriginal).

    i had wondered previously about this statement published in The Australian:-
    1/3/2019 George Pell accuser’s sister speaks out

    What dampens my rage and instead restores my faith in being human is how the public has sent the strongest of messages to these men of white privilege and power.
    You no longer rule our world.

    Source

  213. Roger

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all. It’s a convenient fiction…

    Let’s test that hypothesis.

    Go and get granddad’s axe and chop a finger off with it.

    Report back from the hospital on whether you are a convenient fiction or a thing after all.

  214. Arky

    You suffer from the mistaken belief that you can produce a coherent argument. Or maybe you just like burbling more than fixing your model A. You’re boring me with your stupidity, whether real or assumed.

    ..
    Run away after making an irrelevant personal attack.
    Not for the first time either.
    Class act.

  215. Makka

    On Monday the House judiciary committee,

    Not interesting, just meaningless.

  216. Old School Conservative

    Some posts just scream out for attention.
    There also exists a ritual of penis holding which occurs when a subincised man enters a strange camp.
    and
    Long handles are for pussies.

  217. Arky

    Just to remind everyone where Beaugan’s nihilistic crap has led him:
    ..

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all.

    ..
    Good argument.

  218. Roger

    What dampens my rage and instead restores my faith in being human is how the public has sent the strongest of messages to these men of white privilege and power.
    You no longer rule our world.

    Ah, so that’s what it was all about.

    It doesn’t matter what happened in the sacristy, it’s all about bringing down white male power and privilege.

    Given that police are now trained to accept at face value all allegations of sexual abuse, no male who might be perceived to be powerful and privileged and thus a target for the permanently aggrieved is safe from a vexatious complaint.

    This is madness.

  219. Stimpson J. Cat

    Go and get granddad’s axe and chop a finger off with it.

    Can I suggest circumcision?
    It’s completely painless and is over in seconds.
    Remember you are not losing anything as it is a process.

  220. Brettw:
    Do you have a link to this particular Pell interview?

  221. Arky

    One of the things I notice about people is if they aren’t very good at something they disparage the thing rather than admit they aren’t up to it.
    Notice that Beaugan has lost, lost badly and is now denigrating the game.
    It is a face saving strategy that allows him to keep his stupid nihilism while enjoying living in the remnants of Christiandom.

  222. This is gobsmacking stuff. Again, from what BrettW reported, the investigators first claimed the molestation occurred ‘after choir’, then we are told after Mass, then that the molestation occurred in the Archbishop’s sacristy only to be told that no altar is kept their but in the the priest’s sacristy (we learn elsewhere that the Archbishop’s sacristy was not in use at this time due to renovations), then that Pell parted his unpartable vestments, and so on.

    It’s the utlimate moveable feast

    dates location anything the accuser needs to make his tale credible

  223. Snoopy

    Well played, Stimpmeister.

  224. DrBeauGan

    Let’s test that hypothesis.

    Go and get granddad’s axe and chop a finger off with it.

    Report back from the hospital on whether you are a convenient fiction or a thing after all.

    You’re almost as muddled as Arky. That’s a terrible thing to say, but it’s true.

    Distinguish between the reality of a permanent Beaugy, a thing, and a finger. I agree the finger isn’t a fiction, convenient or otherwise. That doesn’t imply an unchanging Beaugy thing.

    Arguing with silly people is amusing for a time, but it palls.

  225. struth

    Men will be cutting their bits off just to get access to the bar at Stuth’s Party.

    It’s not a party Matrix, please, please, we take it very seriously.
    Our services are held either on a Friday or Saturday night, and in the summer we may also plan a week night.
    Solemn cigar smoking and ritual Liver abuse , although harmful to our physical being, must be undertaken as a sign of devotion to god’s man on earth, Trump (peace be upon him)
    The nuns will be all under 30 years of age and have taken a vow of silence.

  226. Seems DrBG is a fan of Mary Baker Eddie

    who knew?

  227. Arky

    rguing with silly people is amusing for a time, but it palls.

    ..
    “It’s not me, its the game that is stupid”.
    Pathetic.

  228. KartiyaReality

    One Bishop is worth another

    Bronwyn Bishop rails against socialists while collecting a $250k pension from taxpayers

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bronwyn-bishop-rails-against-socialists-while-collecting-a-250k-pension-from-taxpayers-20170330-gv9kjc.html

    (Maybe $6,000,000 in Super required but of course …..)

    Would Mr Shorten say this is fair?

    In a democracy the people decide what is fair

  229. DrBeauGan

    Can I suggest circumcision?
    It’s completely painless and is over in seconds.
    Remember you are not losing anything as it is a process.

    That was funny, Stimpy. But no thanks.

  230. Roger

    You’re almost as muddled as Arky.

    LOL.

    We’re not the ones proposing that human existence is a fiction, BeauGan.

  231. He never revealed what had happened, despite being directly asked twice?

    In fact in previous interviews the mother admitted he said no

    playing fast and loose now

    big bag of money in the offing?

  232. DrBeauGan

    Seems DrBG is a fan of Mary Baker Eddie

    who knew?

    Not me. Where do you get that from?

  233. stackja

    The Second Coming (poem) From Wikipedia

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

  234. Nothing is real and eternal, — nothing is Spirit, — but God and His idea. Evil has no reality. It is neither person, place, nor thing, but is simply a belief, an illusion of material sense.

    the ever chaning nature of me put me in mind of Christian Scientism

  235. twostix

    Anyone who is in a men’s shed will be unable to join.
    That’s gay as well.

    Sad but true

  236. DrBeauGan

    We’re not the ones proposing that human existence is a fiction, BeauGan.

    Oh gawd. No wonder Arky is dancing around shouting in triumph how he won the argument if this is your interpretation.

  237. stackja

    notafan
    #2950023, posted on March 4, 2019 at 10:43 am
    He never revealed what had happened, despite being directly asked twice?

    In fact in previous interviews the mother admitted he said no

    playing fast and loose now

    big bag of money in the offing?

    Money from who? Pell? If Pell can’t pay?

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