Wednesday Forum: April 3, 2019

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #2979855, posted on April 5, 2019 at 8:20 am

    And the good news just keeps on coming:

    An international human rights lawyer who launched a shocking drunken racist tirade on a plane where she spat at a flight attendant has been jailed for six months.

    Hilarious!
    Through the gibberish she seems to be saying that the pilot (a dusky chap) should be eternally grateful to her, because she helps out, you know, people from his end of the colour chart.

  2. calli

    How many voters still really believe in ‘AGW’?

    I try a little experiment. When the subject comes up, I opine that it’s all bull.

    Amazing how many come out of the woodwork agreeing with me.

    It’s like the Andersen story. It only takes one to point out that the king is butt naked.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    And top ‘o de page to yez all.
    Get me another drink would ya.

  4. OldOzzie

    Most voters too smart for the fringe-dwellers

    Graham Richardson


    Politicians face judgments all day, every day. In an age of 24/7 media coverage, there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

    If you are a serial dill like One Nation’s Steve Dickson, this is a disturbing development.

    His begging-bowl visit to the National Rifle Association in the US was truly embarrassing. James Ashby, his partner in the buffoonery during that episode, must be nowhere near as smart as his reputation would have suggested.

    t may not turn off One Nation’s rusted-on voters but it will surely make it much harder to find new recruits.

    You would have to wonder how anyone could stick with Pauline Hanson after she appeared to allude to a conspiracy behind the Port Arthur massacre.

    There are still wackos running around suggesting the CIA was behind the 9/11 disaster. The weaker the mind, it seems, the likelier you will see conspiracy theories thrive.

    The Greens on Australia’s far Left are stuck on 10 per cent of the vote and are finding growth impossible. That’s what happens when you occupy ground on the fringes of our civilisation.

    Similarly, One Nation’s vote is static. It can’t grow because it is too far to the Right for most Australians to stomach.

    The Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party is not having as big an impact as its victory in the ­Orange by-election in NSW a couple of years back. While Phil Donato has consolidated himself in that seat, in the NSW election the Shooters could pick up only a couple of seats.

    Given that there is a compulsory preferential system operating in federal elections as against voluntary preferences in NSW elections, the Shooters must expect to perform better at a federal level.

    There was a time when I really feared One Nation was on a growth trajectory. Hanson took little time to reveal her lack of knowledge on practically every policy that affects the way we live, work and play. Her gaffes were matched by her splits from former colleagues such as Brian Burston and Fraser Anning.

    If you are judged by the company you keep, Hanson will be in all sorts of trouble. While she rushed to defend the NRA visit, her chief henchman in NSW, Mark Latham, ripped into Dickson and Ashby for their gross stupidity. I may have questions about Latham’s judgment but certainly not about his intellect.

    Meanwhile, Josh Frydenberg once again demonstrated just how important a cog he is in the Coalition wheel.

    His budget was as impressive as it was predictable. When you are way behind in the polls and have languished as the loser for so long, you have to make really big announcements to gain the attention of an electorate that gave up listening quite some time ago.

    I am not only referring to the tax cuts but to the National Disability Insurance Scheme as well. By putting some real dollars into the scheme he looked as if he was on the side of the angels. While there is obviously much more to be done, this effort did much more than pay lip service to a reform whose time has come.

    It has been difficult to understand why both sides of politics have never really jumped on to the NDIS bandwagon. There is a rich vein of votes to be mined here.

    With more than a million people being disabled and the millions more in the families who care for them, an injection of funds here would represent a confluence of good policy and good politics.

    Imagine how far reaching this reform could become if Australian businesses and the nation’s mega-rich ever rose to the level of generosity shown by philanthropic companies and individuals in the US and Europe.

    The usual accusations about Labor’s profligacy are getting harder to prosecute.

    First, there is a new sense of a dynamic with knowledgeable duo Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen and fin­ance spokesman Jim Chalmers. Their every utterance leads to the inevitable conclusion they are responsible econ­omists who will never embark on a spending spree they can’t pay for.

    Wayne Swan’s series of failed promises over budget surpluses made him an easy target. Labor has learned a great deal since then. Unless Labor can be trusted to mind the till, government will be out of reach.

    Speaking of which, I am not sure if anyone has ever tried to cost a Greens budget realistically. The deficit would be so large our great-grandchildren still would be paying for it.

    The Liberals ponder how to bridge the poll gap with Labor and they know they have precious little time to accomplish the task. It seems to me what Scott Morrison lacks is a real point of difference.

    Apart from industrial relations, voters will be asked to judge who is more competent on a range of issues across the economy. If the election is really a test of economic competence then it is likely the electorate will give Labor a term or two because it looks like its turn.

    The big step the Prime Minister could take is to walk away from the Paris Agreement. While climate change is believed by most voters, their commitment is soft.

    Nobody wants to pay anything to stop climate change, so Morrison can afford to be bold here.

    He could say he was withdrawing from the agreement because there are already signs of ill winds blowing over the economy and he can be the hero fighting for the survival of the middle class.

    Obviously there is an alternative point of view, which Labor would campaign on very solidly, but at least the government would lose the pale shadow tag and have a life of its own.

    It seems eerie to me that so few people are engaged at this point in time. Maybe people wish a pox on both their houses and despite that still cannot warm to the parties of the fringes such as the Greens and One Nation.

    More likely they just don’t care. Maybe they believe that both sides of politics don’t really care about them anyway.

    In that case it is a forlorn search for someone to vote for.

    Australians are looking for someone to inspire them. They want to be lifted up above the mundane but that is all that is on offer. As Mick Jagger sang: “You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.”

    What Australia needs is a steady hand on the tiller with the courage to bring about more economic reform.

    Neither side is certain to deliver anything even resembling that so we might as well lie back and think of England.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Parents beg Morrison to bring pregnant daughter home; Sharrouf children desperate

    By Mark Schliebs and Rory Callinan
    12:00AM April 5, 2019
    Comments

    The parents of a young, pregnant mother from Melbourne who fled the fall of Islamic State in Syria have begged for her to be returned to Australia, appealing to Scott Morriso­n to show her “love, compassi­on and forgiveness”.

    Six months’ pregnant, Kirsty Rosse-Emile, 24, entered the Al-Hawl refugee camp in northeast Syria with her two-year-old daughter, Amira, just weeks before Kurdish-led forces defeated the Islamic State at the town of Baghouz last month.

    Ms Rosse-Emile, who arrived in Syria with husband Nabil Kadmir­y in 2014, joins more than 70,000 people, including more than 30 Australians, in the camp.

    They are in limbo following the military defeat of the terror group.

    It comes a pressure grows on the Australian government to bring home at least a dozen Australian women captured as Islamic State was overrun are now being held in refugee camps in northern Syria and Iraq. Between them they have at least 19 children — with 12 younger than 10.

    From the Oz. “Love, compassion and kindness.” How much “love, compassion and kindness” did her fellow knuckledraggers show the sex slaves, or the Jordanian fighter pilot they burned alive in the name of their backward religion?

  6. Boambee John

    MV

    Peter

    You will not be able to educate the two nongs over at donaitkin.com, but it is fun watching them defend their world view against anything that threatens it.

    See you there!

  7. Most voters too smart for the fringe-dwellers

    Graham Richardson

    The man who empowered the Greens to win the 1987 election.

  8. mh

    ppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2979873, posted on April 5, 2019 at 8:43 am
    Jennifer and Sarah Hart drugged their kids before driving off California cliff
    Authorities say the lesbian mums who drove their six adopted kids over a cliff drugged themselves and their children.

    🌈💕

  9. memoryvault

    They were planning to live with their parents when they temporarily rented out the home, but leasing out the property next year will mean they will miss the deadline for Labor’s proposed grandfathering of exsiting negative gearing arrangements and will not get the benefit.

    Old Ozzie, Shortfilth is planning to scrap negative gearing even though doing so was such a disaster for Hawke/Keating because he knows, as do those controlling the Liberal Party, that the bottom is in the process of falling out of the property market, and it won’t recover in the lifetime of anybody alive today, if indeed it ever does.

    Pretty soon all those “investment properties” are going to end up for sale anyway, regardless of the politicians do or don’t do. Shortfilth is just doing what all successful politicians do, milking an inevitable outcome for votes.

  10. Diogenes

    Or as my late father used to wisely say – “Any more than a mouthful is a waste”.

    And when somebody quoted that my father always said “Then why did god give us hands?

  11. I would make required lifestyle changes mandatory to receiving ANY form of government assistance for those aged under 60 years, including those on Disability Pension as well as those on Newstart. These changes enhance self-esteem and encourage a positive approach to life’s problems. Excuse-making is the worst thing to encourage in people finding life hard. Life is hard. Grow up and recognise that should be the message. Free copy of 12 Rules for Life to all shirkers is my recipe.

    For many with low level autism though, such changes will not result in a job due to their other deficits. Some may improve sufficiently for the new positive approach and appearance to have income-earning or relationship-forming benefits. I’d offer free professional haircuts to young males, free disposable razors, and a ticket for some free quality St. Vincent de Paul clothing , not crap, as part of the deal

    The fact that most of them were men should be a red flag as to what policies led to their situation. We have had an overt policy abandoning meritocracy for decades in the civil service, now it is starting to be enforced in the private sector.

    It is hard to convince someone to “clean their room” if the government has unpersoned them.

  12. C.L.

    Pope Bergoglio to Catholics: drop dead.
    Set to appoint far left-wing gay mafiosa to replace far left-wing gay mafiosa Donald Wuerl.

  13. Labor’s cancer initiative is good compassionate policy.
    It’s a little late for us, however, as we shell out another weekly $4636 today for radiotherapy.
    We get a fair amount back through Medicare, but by the end of the course, we’re looking at four figures out of pocket.
    It will, however, help hundreds of thousands annually.

  14. Grigory M

    During World War II, he joined the Royal Air Force and became an intelligence officer. He worked at Bletchley Park cracking German codes.

    This is not correct. Brin Newton-John was not a code cracker at Bletchley Park – he was just an interpreter. Fluent in German – he interpreted/translated the information provided by those others who actually cracked the codes.

    In later years he was well known in Newcastle NSW as the Deputy Vice-Chancellor of Newcastle University.

  15. C.L.

    I put it to you that the Christchurch shooter should be returned home because he can be rehabilitated.
    The ABC agrees:
    Does Australia have the capacity to rehabilitate IS returnees if they are permitted to return?
    Wherein an ‘expert’ says we MUST bring these killers home and heal them.

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    Autism is course real and I feel for people who suffer from the intense forms of autism. It is not caused by vaccines, the Wakefield paper was absolutely piss poor.

    Frank thanks for that but I was in no way upset or offended and I know you and most who comment here know that autism is a very severe disability.

  17. Helen

    Hey cluey cats, I am trying to find a reapir manuel for my ancient petrol Kluger – 2005 – goes like the klackers – and I found this site justrepairmanuals.com and I bought the correct repair manual $10.00 US – but it keeps downloading a php file anmed index with zero kb. I think it must normally display on a web page and would hve further links to zip files, but I simply cannot get it to display. I have downloaded it and triped to open it with notepad – nada, I have tried to open in another tab, page, I am using firefox Win 7 and have a lot of addblockers and things on here.

    Any suggestions?

  18. From Richo –

    There are still wackos running around suggesting the CIA was behind the 9/11 disaster. The weaker the mind, it seems, the likelier you will see conspiracy theories thrive.

    Liberty quote…..

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    inability to function, self-neglect

    I would not call that low-key. If it is, then it proves my point that a lot of people are wrongly labelled as autistic.

    I included those things as simply part of a broader syndrome, the result of the deficiency in thought processing due to Stage 1 Autism given no social supports. Don’t cherry pick. It is a poor form of argumentation, beloved of climatic loonies.

    I certainly recognize that inability to function and self-neglect can of course occur due to many other factors than autism, including poor life choices and coming from a family who vote Green. 🙂

    Or simply being dumb. Tinta’s link to Jordan Peterson’s analysis of the number of people who are below 83 in IQ and whom he sees as having no possible future these days is, as Tinta says, and Peterson admits, terrifying for policy makers. No wonder they just don’t want to know about undiagnosed adults with Stage 1 Autism, to add to that huge number of perpetually dependent people. The sad thing about the adult autists on the skids is that they are often highly intelligent, and somehow that makes it worse. It shouldn’t of course. Christian charity equally for all should be our only light on the hill.

  20. Senate estimates reveal 150 staff at Christmas Island are looking after zero detainees.
    The Coalition – the gift that keeps on giving…..

  21. lotocoti

    Noice.
    Talk about a lose/lose situation.

  22. memoryvault

    And when somebody quoted that my father always said “Then why did god give us hands?

    God also gave men breasts, Diogenes. However, only the men who were small-breasted or flat chested survived and bred with women.

    The male big breasted gene died out. All the carriers died childless, sitting alone in caves, playing with themselves, murmuring “breasts, lovely big breasts”.

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    Or as my late father used to wisely say – “Any more than a mouthful is a waste”.

    And when somebody quoted that my father always said “Then why did god give us hands?

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The weaker the mind, it seems, the likelier you will see conspiracy theories thrive.

    mmm.
    The great climatic hoax now upheld against much of the real evidence by conspiratorial grant seekers.
    That sort of weaker mind. The sort unable to admit to politicians, also in deep, that they got it wrong.

  25. Tintarella di Luna

    Pope Bergoglio to Catholics: drop dead.

    Big Nose Bergoglio is not my Pope

  26. Mother Lode

    Let me ask you, if the Greens party disbanded today, would the liberal party instantly leave Paris and declare it’s disbelief in Global warming?

    No.

    They would lurch left to try to ensnare their confused babbling supporters.

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers – They’ll be swamped after Shorten gets in. Even if the ALP wants to bring the country shoppers to Australia they still will need a holding facility to sift out the security risks and quarantine for treatment the ones with diseases like resistant TB.

  28. Helen

    I downloaded opera, and did nothing to customise it and also nogo. Its not the money, it is the need. I nned the repair manual becasue my chariot is not going. something to do with the electronic power steering.

  29. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2979896, posted on April 5, 2019 at 9:09 am

    We both have first had experience in this and I agree most of what you said. But there are still a lot jobs like mine that personal presentation or high IQ don’t matter. The reasons I think stopping people is Credentialism, welfare dependence and social stigma.

  30. struth

    How many voters still really believe in ‘AGW’?

    And how many of those are willing to have expensive electricity, blackouts and no jobs even if they do?
    How many people don’t know that other countries aren’t doing what we are?

    My point is the Greens are the Australian communist party that relies on the vote of the freshly brainwashed school leaver, that get far too much air time from a biased media.

    The Labor party need the brainwashing to be occurring in the education system as well, so the greens are just their extremist vote that most of the time comes back to them by preferences, generally speaking.

    To say the Liberal party are chasing the communist Marxist Green voter, a minority not needed at all, and not achievable anyway, at the expense of losing their base at the rate of about ten votes to one Greens or left wing swing voter is ridiculous.
    All the One Nations, the Aus Cons and the Fannings and the like would not even be there if the Liberal party were a conservative right wing party, and all those votes would go to them as fist preference.

    So what is going on?
    Why does Friedeggburger make statements that the people will get global warming policy “whether they like it or not”?

    I tell you what, the Greens are given far more credit for the actions of the Liberals than anyone can seriously believe.

    Look to global socialism, and who is paid off.
    Who is doing the work of the Global Socialist UN?

    Why is every anglosphere country except the USA, suffering exactly the same problems,….exactly the same?
    Who is screaming the loudest against Trump?

    The political elite media etc, with a handful of left wing useful idiots, or the average Joe?

    Who won’t let Brexit happen, the elites or the people?

    It’s quite obvious that a seat in Parliament seems to make many instant millionaires.

    The only place democracy is now relevant in the western world, is the place with the armed citizens and fee speech enshrined.

    As we all know, this upcoming election means diddly squat.
    We have no democracy when our elites ignore the will of the people for the Soros’s and Gutterres of this world.
    There is no coal power contemplated by the libs, just a statement to “consider” FMD, the dumb elites being so arrogant as to think anyone believes anything like that bullshit.

    The hatred for our elites, as the quickening occurs now, to consolidate their grip on power and silence their critics, for fear of a Trump in their countries, is really getting close to boiling point.
    Timing is everything.

    Tired of the winning yet.
    I made the statement often that we weren’t winning anything , and in fact, we had already become too regulated, too controlled, too socialist, for Trump to do anything to us but hasten our demise into Veneztralia, as our socialist elite, clamp down faster and harder, in response.

    The Greens are nothing but a Labor party problem.

    The UN and the global socialists and their big money international corporatists are our problem.
    The environmental concerns of the Clinton foundation……………………FMD.
    Those who are bored with just being super wealthy and totalitarian in their need for power and recognition

    We give that nasty little ugly fuck, De Nutjob and Sarah Sea Patrol way too much credit for this mess.

  31. Helen

    ppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2979873, posted on April 5, 2019 at 8:43 am
    Jennifer and Sarah Hart drugged their kids before driving off California cliff
    Authorities say the lesbian mums who drove their six adopted kids over a cliff drugged themselves and their children.

    Thelma and Louise double plus

  32. memoryvault

    And when somebody quoted that my father always said “Then why did god give us hands?

    God gave men hands for the same reason He gave women hands. So we all could survive those terrible years between puberty and our first physical encounter with somebody of the opposite sex.

  33. mh

    Headline at Drudge

    Obama silently standing behind Biden, associates say

    I hope Barry is sniffing his hair and whispering in his ear.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Labor’s cancer initiative is good compassionate policy.

    Comments in the Australian today point out how un-spelled out the details are. As with most Labor policies that sound good, this one may end up applying to far too few people, and often the wrong people or at the wrong time, and costing far more than it should. Hidden in the report on one woman’s case is also the fact that she chose to use her private health insurance because she would have had to wait SIX WEEKS for her consultation under Medicare with a specialist surgeon for a disease where time is of the utmost essence in new surgical techniques – Stage 3 pancreatic cancer. Don’t rely on a creaking Medicare, which Labor wants to shove us all on, was the take-home message.

    Go Labor. As in begone!

  35. stackja

    Explosions, smoke from huge Campbellfield factory fire
    Kieran Rooney and Georgie Moore, Herald Sun
    17 minutes ago

    An inferno raging out-of-control in Campbellfield is likely to last for days, as more than 80 firefighters battle the blaze.

    MFB chief officer Dan Stephens said the fire will be a “protracted” incident, similar to a serious factory blaze in West Footscray last year.

    “It took us the best part of a day to get that fire under control,” Mr Stephens said.

    At this point he said the Campbellfield fire was surrounded, but not yet under control.

    “We’ve managed to prevent any significant spread,”

    The Environment Protection Authority Victoria suspended the licence of Bradbury Industrial Services, which stores and disposes of solvents and other paint waste materials, just two weeks ago.

    On March 13, EPA officers inspected the site and found more waste than allowed was being stored and containers were not being properly labelled.

    The business was given a week to show cause why it should not be shut down, but has its licence suspended on March 21.

  36. stackja

    Bradbury Industrial Services

    Trusted, EPA licensed provider for safe disposal of hazardous goods
    Supply and manufacture of Australia’s largest range of gun wash and industrial solvents.
    Qualified, experienced technical experts conduct waste audits and provide specialised OHS consultation
    Safe, reliable and cost effective.

  37. OldOzzie

    Given how crowded they are all Summer – this could rate as a Dumb Move

    The iconic Manly Freshwater Class ferries look set to be ‘phased out’


    The iconic Manly Ferries appear set to be phased out by the route’s operators.

    Staff were briefed about the plan last week although an exact date for their retirement from the Harbour is yet to be confirmed.

    Ferry bosses gave a presentation to staff in which they were told the Freshwater class ferries — the Collaroy, Freshwater, Narrabeen and Queenscliff — will be “phased out” during the life of the current Harbour City Ferries contract which is nine years.

    Staff were told they could be replaced by the smaller and faster Emerald Class ferries which currently service shorter routes on the harbour.

    Transport for NSW confirmed the smaller ferries would soon be operating between Manly and Circular Quay but said no decision had been made on the fate of the four Freshwater Class ferries.

    A slide from the staff presentation reads: “What is the future of the Freshwater Class Ferries?

    “We can safely assume that they will probably be phased out during the life of the current contact.

    “The current fleet are expensive to maintain and operate with significantly lower customer numbers recorded outside of summer and Sundays.

    “The Freshwater Class could be replaced by the Emerald Class ferries which will be faster, meaning quicker and more frequent journeys between Manly & CQ.”

    The Freshwater Class ferries came into service in 1982 and are an icon of Sydney.


    They are the largest ferries on the harbour with capacity for around 1100. In comparison the Emerald Class ferries carry around 400.

    While ferry bosses say the proposal will lead to quicker travel times, there are concerns about the move.

    Paul Garrett, from the Maritime Union of Australia, said he would be seeking more information on the proposal.

    “They’re iconic and they need to stay on the harbour,” he said of the Freshwater Class ferries.

    “It will be to the detriment of Manly if they get rid of the ferries,” former Manly councillor Hugh Burns added. “The smaller ferries will not have the capacity for the tourist season. There needs to be more community consultation.”

    A Transport for NSW spokesman confirmed Emerald Class ferries would start operating the Manly to Circular Quay route although no details were given as to when.

    He also said the future of the Freshwater Class ferries was yet to be decided.

    “Faster and more frequent services will be delivered on the F1 Many route using Emerald Class ferries,” he said in a statement.

    “No decision has been made on the future of Freshwater Class ferries.”

    Manly MP James Griffin argued there was a future for the old ferries.

    “I’ve caught the Freshwater class ferries all my life, and like most of our community, I associate the iconic ferry with our home, Manly,” he said.

    “I personally think there is an opportunity in the years ahead to not only explore increasing the frequency of the ferries from Manly during peak hour by using the Emerald Class (smaller, quicker vessels) but also maintain the iconic Freshwater class ferries to service Manly at other times of the day, including weekends.”

    I query the Emerald Class Ferries in Rough Seas across the Heads

  38. Mater

    Labor’s cancer initiative is good compassionate policy.
    It’s a little late for us, however, as we shell out another weekly $4636 today for radiotherapy.
    We get a fair amount back through Medicare, but by the end of the course, we’re looking at four figures out of pocket.
    It will, however, help hundreds of thousands annually.

    Bob,
    I underwent a course of radiation twice as long as that of your wife. I didn’t pay a red cent, other than travel and accommodation.
    The system provides already.
    If you are paying, it’s because of the choices you have made.

  39. Helen

    BTW, Dick de Nitwit has forgiven me for telling him to pay his employee fair and has written back asking for money. (I indicated I might be willing to donate in my survey) He also wrote back to disabled me and asked for money, even though I said disabled me was hard up.

    His little screed thowed the three most important things according to dick

    Hi Helen

    Thanks so much for taking our survey, and telling us what matters most to you this election. And thank you for indicating your willingness to make a contribution to our election campaign. This email is a short follow up to facilitate that donation.

    Your input will help shape our campaign, and give us a better chance to tell as many people as we can that the Greens are the only party who’ll:

    ✔️ take strong action on climate

    ✔️ fight racism and the rise of the far-right

    ✔️ stand for future-thinking, values-driven politics

    This campaign, we know we can put more Greens in parliament to hold the major parties to account, but it’ll be a tough fight. And we can only do it with your support. So if you can also chip in to fund our campaign, we’ll take your voice all the way to parliament!

    CHIP IN NOW!

    Every dollar you can give makes a big difference. You’ll help us get our message (the things you said matter to you) where it can be seen by voters, and make a direct contribution to putting more Greens in parliament!
    For a future for all of us,
    Richard
    P.S. We urgently need your support to get Greens across the line, and into parliament. Please donate now to support our election campaign.

    So he has ignored my comments saying that none of this is important, and that he should pay his staff fair, BUT HE IS ASKING FOR MONEY. When I questioned SHY about 18 months ago, she decativated me. Now I am reactivated, and they want money. That tells me the overseas donation stoppage is starting to bite.

  40. Mother Lode

    How many voters still really believe in ‘AGW’?

    It is an indicator of how mediocre is our political class.

    These people manipulate the press at every chance, fully aware that what the press is reporting is not the truth.

    And yet when they read the paper or switch on the TV, they think they are seeing the real world.

    The Sickly Moaning Haemorrhoid and The Ague declares that most voters uncontrollably pass water at the thought of AGW – and the politicians accept it.

    They lack the wit to realise that other people could be playing the same lying game as them.

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I downloaded opera, and did nothing to customise it and also nogo. Its not the money, it is the need. I nned the repair manual becasue my chariot is not going. something to do with the electronic power steering.

    Can some clever soul here contact Helen and offer to download it for her as a proxy on their own machine and then get it to her pronto? Or walk her through how her machine might be able to do it.

    Win 7 is pretty old now.

  42. bespoke

    1735099
    #2979918, posted on April 5, 2019 at 9:39 am
    Senate estimates reveal 150 staff at Christmas Island are looking after zero detainees.
    The Coalition – the gift that keeps on giving…..

    Is there still time for him to make the connection?

  43. Tintarella di Luna

    That tells me the overseas donation stoppage is starting to bite.

    Oh goodie but Get UP still will fund them with the Soros Soldi

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    These people manipulate the press at every chance, fully aware that what the press is reporting is not the truth.

    Yes Amazing Polly had great Utube on the bought-and-paid-for press on the previous page I think.

  45. stackja

    Eastwood measles infection sees NSW cases rise to 30
    Derrick Krusche, The Daily Telegraph
    April 4, 2019 9:22pm

    Health authorities have ­iss­ued a warning after a woman became the 30th person to contract the deadly measles virus in NSW since Christmas.

    The woman likely became infected at an Eastwood medical practice last month when she crossed paths with another person who contracted the disease while in Thailand.

  46. Tintarella di Luna

    The woman likely became infected at an Eastwood medical practice last month when she crossed paths with another person who contracted the disease while in Thailand.

    Stop people flying to Thailand now – because infectious diseases and climate change

  47. Tintarella di Luna

    Bradbury Industrial Services

    Trusted, EPA licensed provider for safe disposal of hazardous goods
    Supply and manufacture of Australia’s largest range of gun wash and industrial solvents.

    Such comfort to be taken from that

  48. bespoke

    Helen

    Do you have PDF reade
    What is your OS Win 7,8 or ten.

    https://haynes.com/en-au/toyota/kluger/2003-2014

  49. memoryvault

    Comments in the Australian today point out how un-spelled out the details are. As with most Labor policies that sound good, this one may end up applying to far too few people, and often the wrong people or at the wrong time, and costing far more than it should.

    Lizzie, you’re beginning to sound like John Constantine. ScoMo’s announced “policies” were just as vague and uncosted as Shortfilth’s, and about as likely of ever eventuating as there is of me flying to the moon unaided. Why do Cats like you and John clearly see the speck in Labor’s eye, but fail to notice excatly the same affliction in the Liberal camp?

    But don’t feel bad about it. Here at the Liberal Party Admiration Society (aka Catallaxy) you’re in good company, very much the majority.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Measles is high contagious as an air-borne virus. It can also be lethal. Hairy caught Measles some years ago during a Melbourne outbreak, there overnight on a flying work visit, an attenuated form due to having received only partial immunity in the childhood UK inoculation. In this form the spots occur mainly on the legs. He was dreadfully sick, with some neurological involvement making him very cranky indeed. No permanent impairment, thankfully. I’d hate to see a non-attenuated form, especially in a child.

    Don’t risk it. Vaccinate.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    Bob,
    I underwent a course of radiation twice as long as that of your wife. I didn’t pay a red cent, other than travel and accommodation.
    The system provides already.

    Seven years ago now, but Mrs L had weeks of daily* radiation.
    The credit card did not leave the wallet.
    .
    * daily = except weekends and public holidays. It was good to know that the cancer cells took weekends off as well. Stopped multiplying at 5:00 on Fridays.

  52. Ros

    Katherine Murphy doesn’t know what he is talking about either, but she now has a sense!

    “The cancer pledge connects with so many people, speaks to their lived experience. It will make disillusioned voters sit up and take notice. It was unclear until tonight how Labor would recalibrate on Medicare. Now we have a sense of how that services campaign will be structured.”

    As for his
    If someone you love has cancer, you’d sell the roof over your head if it would help”
    You’d sell the shirt off your back, but you shouldn’t have to.
    “You pay your taxes to Canberra. You pay your Medicare levy. If I am elected prime minister, I’m going to make sure the health care system is there for you when you need it most.”

    Mediscare past its use by date, so another scare campaign, and he unlike the Coalition has your back.

    “If you have cancer, Labor will be there with you every step of the way.

  53. Ros

    “One day, two swindlers claiming to be weavers entered the Emporer’s city and proclaimed they were capable of making the finest, lightest, most magnificent cloth the world has ever seen. So extraordinary was this cloth, it was invisible to anyone who was incompetent or stupid.”

    Shorten, Bowen

    “Hearing of the weaver’s amazing “talent”, the foolish Emperor thought he could use such cloth to weed out undesirables in his city. He paid the swindlers an enormous sum & they set out to “create” the clothes; knowing they would only need go through the motions.”

    The Emperor is they hope the Australian electorate.

    “The Emperor sent several advisors to guage their progress and all the advisors reported the cloth magnificent, not wanting to appear unworthy for seeing nothing at all; the cloth didn’t exist!”

    Australian media!

  54. Overburdened

    shorten and the cancer promise is just like mediscare, ndis being ripped off etc.
    It is a cynical vote grabber.
    There is more research and funding for cancer than ever before.
    No one is being given a death sentence because of the inaction of the current government.
    People are stupid to believe any of the bullshit shorten comes out with.

    The issue that needs to be addressed regarding any medical treatment is how to advance research and treatment when the decision to advance treatments is based on its commercialisation potential.

    The issue of whether there is a large enough cohort of people with a condition to make the treatment a financial proposition is significant in the decision making process.

    This is one of the reasons why the PBS exists.

    It is a mechanism to not only put medications within the reach of the punters, but to also incentivise production for treatments that would not pay their own way or make a profit.

    There are many examples of medications and treatments that coulda woulda shoulda been available and fell of the grid because of commercial considerations.

    This is why, for example, dementia treatment research was never a thing until a critical mass off the population were old enough to have the condition for it to be a commercially viable proposition to look at.

    Having said all of that, it takes a lot of time and money to get any medical or surgical treatment or device into use, and ultimately someone must pay.

  55. Mother Lode

    And when somebody quoted that my father always said “Then why did god give us hands?

    Condom packaging.

    God – always thinking ahead.

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, you’re beginning to sound like John Constantine. ScoMo’s announced “policies” were just as vague and uncosted as Shortfilth’s, and about as likely of ever eventuating as there is of me flying to the moon unaided.

    ScoMo’s policies were backed by some capacity at least to monitor them and pay for them. Labor cares not a whit about such things, in fact, their green destruction of the economy will ensure their failure.

    I am not a Liberal shill. I just know intimately how Labor operate and I don’t like it.

    Comrades. 🙂

  57. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2979946, posted on April 5, 2019 at 10:04 am

    CEO and Governing Board | Environment Protection … – EPA Victoria
    https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are/ceo-board
    Feb 21, 2019 – Dr Cathy Wilkinson became CEO of EPA on 3 September 2018. She is a senior executive with significant public sector experience leading the development and implementation of major policy and regulatory reforms for the Victorian Government in the planning, water and environment portfolios.

  58. struth

    But don’t feel bad about it. Here at the Liberal Party Admiration Society (aka Catallaxy) you’re in good company, very much the majority.

    There would hardly be a liberal voter here.
    The Aus cons and one nation and Fanning would all be voted for here before a Liberal, and as you bemoan, the preferences mean it might go back to liberals until enough vote that way so it does not.

    The system is faulty and corrupt with compulsory preferential, we’ve all noted that and get that, but leave the bombastic bloviating against people here, who it seems, you believe, don’t get the real picture like only you do.

    Do not collectively judge us.

  59. Overburdened

    Naturally shorten should have no hope of attaining the Treasury given his blue sky fantasies re solar cars, energy production targets or any of the other unfounded and irrational ideas he has put forward, not even considering the industrial and social landscape he would impose (or more accurately he would be the mouthpiece for).
    Never underestimate the stupidity of the voter and the lure of free stuff.

  60. memoryvault

    Don’t risk it. Vaccinate.

    When I was a youngster we were all vaccinated naturally against Measles, Mumps and Chicken Pox. When news came out of someone being afflicted with one of them we were promptly packed off to visit the sick kid. Complications were far less common then than they are today.

  61. Mater

    Seven years ago now, but Mrs L had weeks of daily* radiation.
    The credit card did not leave the wallet.
    .
    * daily = except weekends and public holidays. It was good to know that the cancer cells took weekends off as well. Stopped multiplying at 5:00 on Fridays.

    Same here LL.
    Those cancer cells are considerate like that.

  62. stackja

    Overburdened
    #2979954, posted on April 5, 2019 at 10:17 am

    Australian voters keep electing ALP expecting a different outcome. Gough, Kev 07 now maybe BS. If voters want hard labor, BS will deliver.

  63. OldOzzie

    Vitamin king Marcus Blackmore’s tonic for Bill Shorten

    Will Glasgow
    Margin Call Editor

    The Morrison government will be terrified by the crowd Bill Shorten pulled last night at his budget reply function.

    First up, Blackmores founder and the China-focused vitamins business’s CEO once again, Marcus Blackmore (just valued at $545 million on The Stensholt List), was the richest guest Margin Call spotted arriving at the National Convention Centre for the up to $1700-a-head fundraiser.

    None of the almost 500 dinner guests — plus the hundreds of extras just there for drinks — could remember any half-billionaires turning up at any of Shorten’s five previous efforts.

    The Sydney-based Blackmore wasn’t the only CEO along. We also spotted new Virgin Australia CEO Paul Scurrah, accounting software business boss Tim Reed, ride-sharing outfit Ola’s local MD Simon Smith, Australian Hotels Association boss Stephen Ferguson and Australian Banking Association CEO Anna Bligh, dressed in the unambiguous red that recalled her days as Queensland’s Labor premier. There was also something of a Coalition staffer reunion going on on the sidelines of the gathering of Shorten’s shadow ministry.

    That included — but was far from limited to — Tony Abbott’s former communications director Jane McMillan (now running government affairs at American multinational Johnson & Johnson), former senior Abbott staffer Stefanee Lovett (now managing director of Nexus Public Affairs), Kelly O’Dwyer’s former chief of staff Julian Sheezel (now running corporate affairs at the union-loving Carlton & United Breweries) and Michael Keenan’s former chief of staff Sarah Wood (now at Amex).

    Not one among them will be regretting their evacuations from staffing life.

    Also spotted: Kevin’s brother Greg Rudd. Welcome back!

    And the recently married former Labor staffer Claire March, who came fresh from the launch (by a supremely confident Chris Bowen) of her new lobbying shop Counsel House. What better place for a honeymoon?

  64. struth

    If you have cancer, Labor will be there with you every step of the way.
    Pro abortion and euthanasia Labor really do care!!

    The tunnel vision of the left, regards SNIFFY grizzling at medical costs when Labor fill the Health system with more paper shufflers and pen pushers who couldn’t read a thermometer, than all doctors and nurses combined, is quite laughable.

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2979946, posted on April 5, 2019 at 10:04 am

    CEO and Governing Board | Environment Protection … – EPA Victoria
    https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are/ceo-board
    Feb 21, 2019 – Dr Cathy Wilkinson became CEO of EPA on 3 September 2018. She is a senior executive with significant public sector experience leading the development and implementation of major policy and regulatory reforms for the Victorian Government in the planning, water and environment portfolios.

    Gee stackja, thanks for the link which made me feel worse

  66. memoryvault

    People are stupid to believe any of the bullshit shorten comes out with.

    As compared to the truthful wisdom delivered by ScoMo?

  67. stackja

    In 1950s Polio was a scourge. How many today know what an ‘iron lung’ is?

  68. But don’t feel bad about it. Here at the Liberal Party Admiration Society (aka Catallaxy) you’re in good company, very much the majority.

    Please stop.

  69. OldOzzie

    Wine, dine and Pyne – Margin Call

    The night before Christopher Pyne made his triumphant farewell in the House of Representatives, the departing leader of the federal Moderate faction was guest of honour at his own Canberra house party.

    Almost 30 members of the Moderate faction — previously known as “The Black Hand”, recently rebranded as the “Modern Liberals” — were along to toast their beloved leader at the house in Deakin the departing Defence Minister shares with Trade Minister Simon Birmingham (Pyne’s successor as the faction’s federal leader), Foreign Minister Marise Payne, North Sydney MP Trent Zimmerman and Fairfax MP Ted O’Brien.

    Along to pay respects and to refresh the lemons in Pyne’s bottomless gin and tonics: returned senator for Tasmania Richard Colbeck, Browyn Bishop-crusher Jason Falinski, Bowman MP Andrew Laming, Aged Care Minister Ken Wyatt, Social Services Minister Paul Fletcher, Berowra MP Julian Leeser, Immigration Minister David Coleman and Goldstein MP Tim Wilson and John Alexander, whose defence of Bennelong against the Labor candidate Brian Owler (former president of the Australian Medical Association) just got even harder after Bill Shorten’s health-­focused budget reply.

    Some of Pyne’s fellow retiring moderates were along, namely retiring Member for Reid Craig Laundy, the departing MP Jane Prentice and Industrial Relations Minister Kelly O’Dwyer.

    Departing former foreign minister Julie Bishop didn’t make it. Some thought last August’s leadership ballot was the reason. Others told Margin Call a function Bishop had in her Parliament House office with her current and former staff was the reason. Back to the guests, which also included three of Pyne’s extra-parliamentary friends: former Howard minister Robert Hill, bon vivant and lobbyist Michael Photios and the not-quite-­lobbyist Tom Harley.

    While there were no speeches at the Festival of Pyne, there were a few cigars and an immoderate quantity of booze.

    And what about Pyne’s replacement in the Deakin share house?

    That will be determined at a future share house meeting between Birmingham, Payne, Zimmerman and O’Brien — after they survey what is left of the Moderates after the upcoming election.

  70. Overburdened

    I stand by my statement.
    Morrison’s bullshit is another matter that has nothing to do with the statement.

  71. Eyrie

    “they still will need a holding facility to sift out the security risks and quarantine for treatment the ones with diseases like resistant TB.”
    They won’t bother. A quick trip to the mainland and fast track citizenship so they can vote ALP.

  72. C.L.

    The interesting thing for me about Shorten is how quickly and how devotedly he became a total loon. We knew he was insincere and a phony but his total looniness is a revelation.

  73. Eyrie

    Numbers’s wife is being treated at St Andrews. It is a private hospital. Why isn’t the treatment at Toowoomba Base?

  74. Marty

    What is Shorten on about? I have had cancer (over it now, touch wood) and the treatment and ongoing monitoring here in Sydney have not cost me a penny over and above my normal tax burden.

  75. pete m

    Helen, you can get it for $16.50 direct from the Toyota manual site with a 7 day subscription.

    Seems to me a bit nasty making an owner pay for their own repair manual.

    If you know a friendly Toyota mechanic they may have a subscription already and help out

    good luck

  76. OldOzzie

    Looking at Latham – Margin Call

    What to do about Mark Latham?

    It has been a subject of heated discussion in the Labor Party at least since Latham went missing after his unsuccessful tussle with John Howard at the 2004 election. And it is a subject that Bill Shorten and his federal troops will never completely escape. Even as Gough Whitlam’s ALP successor in Werriwa has reinvented himself as the newly elected NSW state upper house member for Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, the ghost of Latham lingers.

    Whenever the federal Labor caucus gathers in their party room in Parliament House, staring out at them is Latham’s bespectacled portrait, which sits between his predecessor Simon Crean and the eventual Howard-slayer Kevin Rudd.

    Party tradition dictates that the portraits of former leaders will stay hanging — without exception — although evidently some Laborite out-of-towners are less bound by tradition.

    On budget night, as the party room was filled with unionists and fellow travellers of the ALP to listen to Josh Frydenberg, Latham’s portrait was flipped to face the wall.

    Mark Latham’s portrait was too much for Labor’s faithful

    Margin Call can confirm it has since been returned to its proper position — in time for Shorten’s budget speech.

    However much he embarrasses them, Latham is still part of the Labor furniture.

  77. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy’s recent heart issues and stent, his previous DVT’s and cancer treatments, and his latest opthalmological investigations and biopsy, have all cost us heaps. We use our top of the range Medibank health insurance cover and still pay through the nose for all consultations, pathology, radiology and other investigations. When he requires hospital admissions we pay full rates for all medical and surgical practitioner fees and any ordered in-hospital investigations and pharmacy. Private insurance returns nothing for anything that is out of hospital, and Medicare returns very little on the fees Hairy’s chosen practitioners charge.

    We would have paid nothing if he had decided to become a ‘public’ patient and to be honest I suspect he would have received equally proficient doctors at the two major city hospitals we attend. Apart from the waiting time factor and the stigma he would feel about going into a public ward, there’s not much joy in private health insurance. We are able to afford it without pain, but many really struggle to keep it up. When they give it away, the Medicare system will be in even more strife to cope, especially with all the new entrants to it coming in via legal migration right now.

    Shorten is a miserable worm to play in this way on people’s health cost fears, while selling them up the Snowy, along with the Libs there but faster and quicker, on electricity costs.

  78. bespoke

    I see the the NPC talking point is out.

    “Accuse your opponents of conspiracy theories to deflect from the the last two years RUSSIA!!!”

  79. stackja

    Brother sues sibling over bathroom mat slip
    Margaret Scheikowsk, AAP
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    A Sydney man who says he’s suffered severe dizziness since slipping on a mat in a bathroom in 2014 has lost his lawsuit against the home’s owner – his brother.

    Shwan Manmi sued Rang Manmi for damages for injuries he said he suffered after slipping on the bath mat, falling backwards and striking his head and neck on the edge of the tub.

    The now 40-year-old claimed his brother owed him a duty of care and breached that duty by placing a mat on the bathroom floor that was slippery.

    It was argued Rang Manmi knew – or should have known – it was a slip hazard and unsafe.

    Shwan Manmi said his brother should have ensured it was a non-slip mat and warned him of the presence of the slippery mat at the Bonnyrigg Heights house.

  80. feelthebern

    numbers, how come your cancer treatment cost so much?
    Serious question.

  81. candy

    It is Shorten’s last chance, C.L.

    If he loses he’s completely out of the political game. I wonder who would become Labor opposition leader, perhaps Bowen, more likely a female though. If they lose it will knock the stuffing out of them.

  82. Mother Lode

    “If you have cancer, Labor will be there with you every step of the way.

    For every $10 they take from your wallet they will spend $1 on you, $7 on bureaucrats working on things like assessing the impact of climate change on bandage colour, and $2 on things like leasing floor space in buildings owned by unions or the Labor Party.

    Of course they are with you. They are just not for you.

  83. memoryvault

    ScoMo’s policies were backed by some capacity at least to monitor them and pay for them.

    Lizzie, ScoMo did not “deliver” any policies, nor did he introduce a Budget. He callously and dishonestly used the Budget announcement to make an election speech, all funded by the taxpayer. Two days later Shortfilth used the same tactic in his Right of Reply.

    What does it take for you people to understand there was no “Budget” delivered. IF there is to be a General Election on May 18, then the HoR has already sat and risen for the very last time in the life of this government. The “Budget”legislation will not even be debated, let alone read for a first o time or voted on. It’s over.

    The HoR is not scheduled to sit again until April 15. However, IF there is to be a General Election on May 18 then ScOMo has to go see the GG, announce the dissolution of Parliament, and call the election, all by midnight May 14.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    However much he embarrasses them, Latham is still part of the Labor furniture.

    He could well return one day to lead a very much chastened and changed Labor Party.
    Give them ten years to destroy the joint first though and get greenism right out of their system.
    He will still not be too old.

  85. feelthebern

    Newsletter from Dr Kerryn Phelps AM MP today.
    Bottom of front page.

    WE DID IT:
    Kids off Nauru and
    Emergency Medical Transfers

    Just another Canberra tax hoover bull shitting her way to another boat of troughitis.

  86. Atoms for Peace

    Just not picking, but didn’t Medibank start with Whitlam? Poor old Gough gets no respect…

  87. memoryvault

    Good morning Struth.

    The system is faulty and corrupt with compulsory preferential, we’ve all noted that and get that, but leave the bombastic bloviating against people here, who it seems, you believe, don’t get the real picture like only you do.

    I’m not the only person who gets the “real picture” Struth. Just the only one who doesn’t vote Liberal anyway, regardless.

    Do not collectively judge us.

    Why not? Ultimately most of you collectively act.

  88. notafan

    I don’t have a problem with the sharouff children coming home

    unlike the isil tradie soft soaped by Waleed none of those children went to Syria of their own volition, they have lost both parents and two brothers , the oldest was ‘married’ when she was thirteen and widowed before she became a mother for the first time, before being married off again.

    the youngest was only two when they left

    we already have a significant number of voluntary jihadists back in the country and plenty more adults who tried to go but had their passports cancelled.

    These kids have an Australian grandmother Karen Nettleton who is desperate to rescue them, twice travelling to Turkey to try to get them.

    I hope they have seen enough to repudiate their father’s beliefs

    Save your ire for the adults, there are thousands here worse than them

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He callously and dishonestly used the Budget announcement to make an election speech, all funded by the taxpayer. Two days later Shortfilth used the same tactic in his Right of Reply.

    Yawn. Everyone knows that, MV. Indicative is the word to use. Elections are like that. Policies are not implementations. ScoMo could only point to directions that improved on anything Labor was doing or had ever done. The thing to grasp from all of this is ideologies. Both are found wanting on traditional Labor and Conservative theorizing; a general gist is all we can hope for from major Parties today.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    Germans are strange people.

    When they arent invading other countries or engaged in unspeakable toilet acts they still pine for daddy government to own everything.

    Berlin’s rental revolution: activists push for properties to be nationalised

    If they make it to the referendum stage, campaigners can afford to dream about victory: according to a Forsa poll from February, 44% of Berliners think nationalising large landlords a sensible measure, while only 39% reject the idea. In Berlin’s press, the campaign, named Expropriate Deutsche Wohnen & Co after the city’s largest private landlord, has already caused a debate on whether socialism is returning to the former capital of East Germany.

    Von Boroviczeny herself is no nostalgic east Berliner harking back to the days of the GDR, hailing instead from Zehlendorf in the city’s affluent west. She is nonetheless fulsome in her enthusiasm for the radical demands of the referendum.

    “I think this kind of provocative language is exactly the right way to go about it; we’ve got to stop being so stately,” she says of the petition’s call to “expropriate” housing stock owned by large private companies. In terms of rhetoric, she argues, activists were only drawing level with the tactics large property speculators had been using for years.

    “If you don’t dare, then you are never going to achieve anything,” she says. Sporting a neat grey bob and a silk neckerchief at a meeting in Kreuzberg ahead of the demo, Von Boroviczeny does not so much stand out from the crowd as confirm a pattern: rising rents in the capital are not just putting the squeeze on students and young professionals but also the over-60s, who made up the largest part of the group gathered here.

    Oh, just the usual boomer degeneracy/”I deserve free shit” stuff then…

    In a recent talk show on German television, one veteran housing activist suggested the senate should offer no more than €1 in compensation payments.

    “€1 per flat?” the moderator asked. “No! €1 per company,”, the activist responded.

  91. struth

    Who do you support, Memoryvault?

  92. OldOzzie

    The First-Worldest Problems

    Anyway, last night after the cats got their 6PM feeding I toddled over to Fresh Market on foot for some nigiri and those tasty coconut snacks. It had gotten warm enough that I was a little leery of walking home with the nigiri, but I figured I’d just buy an Amy’s cheese enchilada frozen dinner and toss that in the bag to keep the fish cold for the eight-minute walk home.

    Fortunately, I didn’t have to worry about that, since the sushi counter was all out of nigiri, and they were sold out of both the coconut snacks and the Amy’s cheese enchiladas.

    “Jesus, I live in a food desert!” I muttered, as I bought some manchego cheese and a bag of organic sprouted pizza flavor almonds as a consolation prize and trudged home.

  93. notafan

    Public patients do not get the doctor of their choice and waiting times for non life threatening conditions can be years, and no-one gets free pharmaceuticals.

    Besides which as Sinc pointed out some time ago when those who can afford to go private go public the poor wait longer.

    I have always gone private. even back when every penny had to be pinched, and for my children, even when my private insurance didn’t cover a particular hospital.

  94. struth

    and a bag of organic sprouted pizza flavor almonds

    Foodie name dropping.

    Get a life, poofter boy.

  95. I underwent a course of radiation twice as long as that of your wife. I didn’t pay a red cent, other than travel and accommodation.
    The system provides already.
    If you are paying, it’s because of the choices you have made.

    The only choice we had was to pack up for a month and head to Brisbane, where public radiotherapy is available. We would have had to find accommodation and fill in the empty hours between treatments – not much fun.
    (I believe there is some form of allowance available from QHealth which would have ameliorated the costs somewhat).
    This would have meant farming out pets, neglecting the garden ( a source of comfort in difficult times) cancelling weekly volunteering/study/parish work etc which are major contributors to daily quality of life.

    Numbers’ wife is being treated at St Andrews. It is a private hospital. Why isn’t the treatment at Toowoomba Base?

    See above – no radiotherapy at Toowoomba Base.
    St Andrews (ICON) is on to a tidy little earner with their cancer centre – https://iconcancercentre.com.au/cancer-care-centres/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw1pblBRDSARIsACfUG12e43zD8GEvny0ON_BbW20tNMKcp0XYNVPD62H47xiq5-q2lHlgSKkaAv7vEALw_wcB

    We can manage, both financially and socially, but if we were pensioners living at (say) Roma without access to a motor vehicle, we would have been up the proverbial. God help the poor buggers at Thargomindah and points west.
    We pay the same tax as urban dwellers, but get nowhere near the same services.
    Roll on Labor….

  96. memoryvault

    Who do you support, Memoryvault?

    None of them, Struth.
    And no, that doesn’t mean casting an informal vote.

  97. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just the only one who doesn’t vote Liberal anyway, regardless.

    Umm. I handed out How-to-Votes for the Australian Conservatives two weeks ago in NSW, and I made my own choice in the Upper House by putting Mark Latham as second preference. If Hairy and I hadn’t given our time and a little money to the Aust Cons we probably would have preferenced Latham first.

  98. notafan

    Interesting the Queanbeyan journalist did not have a mental illness and ‘just believes these things’ but those who chose to go on actual murder sprees in Syria can be ‘cured’

    I guess if you don’t believe in good and evil you can believe anything you like.

  99. Cassie of Sydney

    “I hope they have seen enough to repudiate their father’s beliefs”

    I bet they haven’t and I bet they won’t.

    They should stay exactly where they are.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We pay the same tax as urban dwellers, but get nowhere near the same services.
    Roll on Labor….

    Who will do all they can to ensure that urban greenies are supremely comfortable medically.
    That’s Labor looking after its own these days. Those ABC accolades have to be earned you know.

  101. notafan

    We pay the same tax as urban dwellers, but get nowhere near the same services.

    then move

    You are talking personal life choices, the advantages of the country over the advantages of the city

    what do you want next Toowoomba light rail and an international airport with direct flights to Cuba?

  102. notafan

    Cassie what did those children do that was wrong?

  103. thefrollickingmole

    Mirror man decries the disruption to his lifestyle cancer may cause.
    Believes MOAR TAXPAYER FUNDS will magically make the inconvenience go away.

    This would have meant farming out pets, neglecting the garden ( a source of comfort in difficult times) cancelling weekly volunteering/study/parish work etc which are major contributors to daily quality of life.


    We pay the same tax as urban dwellers, but get nowhere near the same services.
    Roll on Labor….

    You are making decisions to pay extra to enable you to maintain a lifestyle you prefer (nothing wrong with that), and trying to turn it into a cry about “the local hospital doesnt handle chemo”.
    Is Labor going to stick an oncologist in every country hospital or are you just whacking wildly again?

    FFS we have centralized services because it is in general the most efficient and less expensive way of treating more patients, not because “Muh nasty government”.
    Country life is great but always comes with the caveat that serious illness can be a massive inconvenience.

  104. memoryvault

    I handed out How-to-Votes for the Australian Conservatives two weeks ago in NSW

    So you voted Liberal. Don’t be shy about it.
    Pretty-much everybody else here did the same, and will do again in the coming election.
    That’s okay. Most people here have a favourite AFL or NFL team they barrack for.
    The sad part is most of you think it makes some kind of difference.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He could well return one day to lead a very much chastened and changed Labor Party.

    And if he does, I am very unlikely to be voting for him then.
    But he is still a good man in the old-style of Labor. All for family and the worker.
    And he will keep them hopping in the NSW Upper House; fun I voted to watch. 🙂

  106. struth

    None of them, Struth.

    What message does that send?

    How utterly useless.

    Can you honestly sit there after Howard adopted Hanson’s policies and jailed her, and the threat now posed by F Anning and the AC’s that have had the back bench move on Turdbull and the like.
    Hey it’s not winning completely yet, but it is fighting, and you could do a lot worse that to support anyone who is to the right of the Libs that you deem the best choice.

    As I said to you before, it’s not all about the rigged vote on voting day.
    It’s the threat.
    It’s about the individual back bencher, his or her fears, numbers to form government, and the need for those back benchers to be voted in, those senators etc and you should still be supporting anyone right of the Liberals.
    Do you disagree that those parties will receive a huge increase in votes this election?
    They are already experiencing that, but obviously with no help from you.
    Fraser Anning will romp it home.
    Absolutely kill the beast.

    You’re a semi regional QLD fella, you must know that.

  107. stackja

    Before Gough, there were VMOs at public hospitals, you paid a small fee. If you were admitted, and had private insurance, which I did, the insurer paid.
    Gough forced public hospitals to change the doctors they allowed in. 48 years later, the mess gets worse.

  108. notafan

    You are right there moley

    on the other hand in the country you can have the entire maternity wing to yourself after a normal delivery and stay a few days unlike a big city hospital where a woman is sent home with twins two days after a c-section.

  109. FFS we have centralized services because it is in general the most efficient and less expensive way of treating more patients, not because “Muh nasty government”.

    Care to rephrase that to “we have centralized services because it is in general the most lucrative way of cashing in with privatised services”.
    As for “efficiency”, who measures that and how is it measured? As Albert Einstein once wrote on a blackboard: “Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.”
    How do you put a value social disruption, compassion, and quality of life?

    Properly set up and funded, a mobile Oncology service would work.
    Outreach services are part of our national heritage.
    Heard of the RFDS?

  110. notafan

    Same old flog

    And struthie was berating me for not following the MV line about ‘rigged voting’ a couple of weeks ago

  111. memoryvault
    #2980028, posted on April 5, 2019 at 11:25 am

    I handed out How-to-Votes for the Australian Conservatives two weeks ago in NSW

    So you voted Liberal. Don’t be shy about it.

    Are you aware of NSW’s optional preferencing system? Or that in theory one can vote above or below the line in the Senate and vote informal in the house? Or that the LNP sometimes don’t run in all seats?

  112. notafan

    “we have centralized services because it is in general the most lucrative way of cashing in with privatised services”.

    private clearly can deliver more for less (which is pretty much how it invariably works) but now it’s a conspiracy

    I’m surprised you didn’t go to Cuba for medical treatment

  113. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So you voted Liberal. Don’t be shy about it.

    haw haw. You didn’t see my preferences after my vote 1 Aust Cons.

    My own little bit of system gaming, MV. Fun to pretend anyway. Tell us your tricks.
    And as anyone knows, the Electoral Commission needs a new broom, so doing my bit.

    Getting upset about voting traps is a mugs game. I have to keep telling myself that. 🙂

  114. feelthebern

    Donald Trump’s twitter feed is gold, day in, day out.

  115. notafan

    In actual fact it was probably cheaper to go private locally than public in the big city.

    ‘four figures’ is peanuts for live saving treatment.

    Someone who just traveled to the US and Cuba whinging about a thousand dollars or so for live saving treatment says much about priorities

  116. Mater

    This would have meant farming out pets, neglecting the garden ( a source of comfort in difficult times) cancelling weekly volunteering/study/parish work etc which are major contributors to daily quality of life.

    God forbid that a cancer diagnosis disrupts your daily quality of life for a short period.
    Short term pain for long term gain.
    Personally speaking, my life turned on it’s head – never to return to normal. You’re retired, I’ve got a young family to feed. What a shame Labor wasn’t in power to fix all that ailed me. The difference is, personal responsibility. I did what needed to be done, and have moved on. Many others will also make whatever sacrifices are necessary to use the excellent facilities, that are already freely provided, and do the same.

    God help the poor buggers at Thargomindah and points west.

    Do you think Labor’s going to put a radiation unit up there? Is Labor going to feed their pets, water their garden and do their volunteer work? A days travel, or two. You still need to travel and stay away from home.

  117. memoryvault

    Are you aware of NSW’s optional preferencing system?

    No, I wasn’t, Frank. Thank you for that heads up. I stand corrected.
    My apologies, Lizzie. Maybe you didn’t vote Liberal after all.

    Too bad we don’t have optional preferential voting at the federal level.
    I wonder why that is?

  118. Mother Lode

    I’m surprised you didn’t go to Cuba for medical treatment

    He wants private sector outcomes through a public sector processes.

    It is how they sell revolutions too – no revolutionary has said “Come the revolution, you will live in drab uniform concrete boxes with a dew sticks of furniture until you burn it for heat! You will wait five years for a car and six years for the tyres! You will queue for stale bread in front of gaudy bright posters mockingly promising ever elusive hope! And fully 10% of you will die in re-education camps!”

  119. struth

    And struthie was berating me for not following the MV line about ‘rigged voting’ a couple of weeks ago

    Excuse em wha?

  120. Mother Lode

    Donald Trump’s twitter feed is gold, day in, day out.

    The foot-stamping by the progressives who get on there is nourishment for the soul to.

  121. memoryvault

    What message does that send?
    How utterly useless.

    Struth, some months ago Dot and I spent an entire evening putting forward, explaining, and defending the only meaningful course of action available to us now. You were present.

    To a man we were howled down, including by you. I’m not going to bother explaining it to you again.

  122. thefrollickingmole

    Yes I suppose a research paper wouldn’t be evidence enough for you.
    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2006/185/3/surgical-service-centralisation-australia-versus-choice-and-quality-life-rural

    High-volume centres are usually large metropolitan hospitals, which are likely to have superior infrastructure and support services; are better able to offer improved postoperative care; and are more likely to adhere to established processes of care leading to better patient outcomes.2,3 In such high-volume centres, there are also potential cost savings flowing from fewer postoperative complications and higher use of resources.6,7,8 Support of volume-based referral initiatives is particularly strong in the field of cancer surgery, with one meta-analysis recommending the centralisation of most, if not all, oncological procedures

    But hey, numbers knows it would be a reat service foir the RFDS to provide!!!

    Properly set up and funded, a mobile Oncology service would work.
    Outreach services are part of our national heritage.

    Oncology is a specialist field, it allready has shortages and you propose exacerbating that by having them spend 1/2 their time flying from place to place.
    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2012/196/1/shortage-medical-oncologists-australian-medical-oncologist-workforce-study

    Heard of the RFDS?
    That would be the RFDS I liaise with to organize & run the fortnightly site clinic and handle the evacuations for any serious accident/illnesses we have on site.
    The ones who flew in 3 times in 2 weeks to take 3 different patients with spinal injuries from rollovers I attended/treated.
    That one?
    I may know one or 2 things about it.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    his would have meant farming out pets, neglecting the garden ( a source of comfort in difficult times) cancelling weekly volunteering/study/parish work etc which are major contributors to daily quality of life.

    Huh? I didn’t have my hair or nails done for six weeks just after Christmas due to Hairy’s heart attack.

    Oh, and I should also say every other single thing in our lives and lifestyle went temporarily belly up too. Same with his cancer five years ago, and with his DVT’s two years before that. You think this man’s career and home life and everything else just swam along with the flow while I blogged away here freely without a care?

    Illness and a multitude of family issues, such as we have coped with, all take their toll. Part of life’s Shakespearian tapestry. Deal with it. Let the garden die and farm out the kids and pets.

    We did.

  124. notafan

    I bet the other advantage of private is significantly reduced waiting times

    There are waiting times for cancer treatments at public hospitals

    That is a fact

    lying by omission, no doubt

    Waiting times for surgery for malignant cancers are a measure of access to treatment that can maintain quality of life or be potentially life-saving. Without timely surgery, these cancers may progress and those with early-stage disease may face a reduced opportunity for cure.

    In Australia, there are no maximum acceptable waiting time benchmarks for planned cancer surgery. Surgeries are prioritised using the same waiting list system as other planned surgeries. The patients covered by this report were assigned to planned surgery waiting lists by surgeons as urgent or semi-urgent cases. Urgent cases are expected to be completed within 30 days, while semi-urgent cases are meant to be completed within 90 days.

    cancer surgety waiting times

  125. memoryvault

    I may know one or 2 things about it.

    You’re firing with both barrels this morning, Mole.
    Keep up the good work.

  126. struth

    Struth, some months ago Dot and I spent an entire evening putting forward, explaining, and defending the only meaningful course of action available to us now. You were present.

    Sorry, but taking your bat and ball and stomping off is not a course of action, it’s a course of inaction.
    Dot also likes our borders open, so if you’re going to attempt a gang up, you should look seriously at the members of your gang!

  127. Tel

    The now 40-year-old claimed his brother owed him a duty of care and breached that duty by placing a mat on the bathroom floor that was slippery.

    It was argued Rang Manmi knew – or should have known – it was a slip hazard and unsafe.

    Statistically slippery steps and bathrooms kill and injure vastly more people than guns.

    Strangely the big government hand wringers are much more worried about gun ownership when it comes to putting down the authoritarian boot on the neck of the underlings. It’s almost like their claim to be all wise and caring could be completely hollow and they actually are mostly concerned about themselves. Plausible?!?

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    If the ALP state government won’t fund radiotherapy in a city of 135,000 people why would anyone believe Federal ALP promises?

  129. struth

    Huh? I didn’t have my hair or nails done for six weeks just after Christmas due to Hairy’s heart attack.

    Posting shocking revelations such as this will soon be banned under the no horror publishing act.

  130. Stimpson J. Cat

    You think this man’s career and home life and everything else just swam along with the flow while I blogged away here freely without a care?

    Of course.
    Haven’t you got servant’s for those sort of things?
    How do we know this isn’t a servant blogging for you now?
    😁

  131. zyconoclast

    First home buyers can’t afford a house until their parents die

    This is not uncommon in many Mediterranean countries.
    Oldies die, adult children move from their bedroom to the late parents bedroom.
    Works OK if there is only one child.

  132. Struth, some months ago Dot and I spent an entire evening putting forward, explaining, and defending the only meaningful course of action available to us now. You were present.

    Not sure if I agree with you.

    Strategic voting beats protest voting hands down.

  133. notafan

    numbers just provided (probably only partially) the issues that drove his local private versus big city public decision process

  134. Mark A

    notafan
    #2980002, posted on April 5, 2019 at 10:57 am

    I don’t have a problem with the sharouff children coming home

    You are far too kind.
    —————————————

    I hope they have seen enough to repudiate their father’s beliefs

    Or hardened them to the suffering of others.

  135. struth

    This could have been a good day arguing if it wasn’t for bloody work getting in the road.

    And I haven’t even started the season yet, but the bullshit first aid renewals and driving histories and updated food handling, medicals….emails updated from emails sent yesterday on this that and the other………………….Australia is insane.

    Don’t care this time, not doing Arnhem land.
    Happy as a pig in shit.

  136. notafan

    Or hardened them to the suffering of others.

    losing both parents, two brothers, the oldest girl has shrapnel wounds

    I think they know all about suffering

  137. struth

    I feel you have matured somewhat over the last absence , dot, it almost brings a tear to my eye.

  138. Confused Old Misfit

    …I didn’t have my hair or nails done for six weeks just after Christmas…

    Love yah Lizzie!
    Really do!

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is how they sell revolutions too – no revolutionary has said “Come the revolution, you will live in drab uniform concrete boxes with a few sticks of furniture until you burn it for heat! You will wait five years for a car and six years for the tyres! You will queue for stale bread in front of gaudy bright posters mockingly promising ever elusive hope! And fully 10% of you will die in re-education camps!”

    A brilliant piece. Especially poignant re the tyres. 🙂
    Venezuela is the redux.

  140. Mater

    numbers just provided (probably only partially) the issues that drove his local private versus big city public decision process

    Actually notafan, what he tried to do was give added credence to Labor’s cancer policy by giving the impression that treatment costs $XXXXXXX, out of pocket.
    He completely omitted the fact that it could have been undertaken free of charge but paying for it was a personal choice based on maintaining his current living arrangements. He only expanded the explanation when called out on it.
    Treatments are free and the equipment is such that they will always be centrally located in major centres and will always require travel for those living outside of these centres.

  141. Mother Lode

    Nightly wine glass, beer pint raises stroke risk…

    Saw this and have now resolved to start drinking in the morning.

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    How do we know this isn’t a servant blogging for you now?

    Stimpy, please stop bothering the help.
    Thanks, Lizzie. 🙂

  143. Stimpson J. Cat

    First home buyers can’t afford a house until their parents die.

    How exactly did my Millenial son afford his?
    All by himself?
    How did I afford mine?
    It’s magic.

    Mental Illness Magic.

    😁

  144. zyconoclast

    Pope Bergoglio to Catholics: drop dead.
    Set to appoint far left-wing gay mafiosa to replace far left-wing gay mafiosa Donald Wuerl.

    homosexualitatis admittendam jesuit!

  145. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy, please stop bothering the help.
    Thanks, Lizzie. 🙂

    Confirmed!!!!

  146. Mother Lode

    Student petition seeking permission to use N-word at Marina High was an April Fools’ joke gone wrong, district official says

    The comments are enlightening in a way that would have been incomprehensible during the enlightenment.

  147. calli

    Whingeing about a one and a half hour drive to a hospital? Seriously?

    Have you ever tried to drive Kellyville to Prince of Wales Randwick?

    First World Problems.

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look, if any of you Sane parents are struggling, and enough of you show an interest, I am prepared to offer classes on how to motivate and educate your children into becoming productive well adjusted well mannered dynamic members of society with an astonishing work ethic.
    All you have to do is ask.

    When the Student is ready, the Teacher will appear – Stimpson J. Cat.

  149. EvilElvis

    Attended a performance last night and would like to present to the Cat folk a review, brought to you by the Australian Conservatives, of “Custard and Crabtrees fantastical journey to Bunbury”.

    Walking into the meeting room, fashionably late, I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of seats available. A reasonable crowd of 30 odd I’d say. To put into perspective, I wouldn’t have seen a larger crowd at any Liberal party meetings I’d attended years ago, so good signs. Stark demographic of retirees and ‘mature’ aged people, good spread of male and female and different racial backgrounds, a broad spread for a small sample group. Custards brother gave a nice intro on the ACs values, comparing the context of those values in two different eras in a slightly unpolished display but was potentially a little nervous, did well though and will be good for the run I’d reckon. Jonathon Crabtree then took the floor with Peter backing up as they raised some relevant recent issues and concerns that would have played well on the Cat. There probably wasn’t much for those of us who are already committed, but to the crowd that was there I think being able to see the guys who are putting it out there and ask questions and feel involved was priceless. I’d imagine a handful of memberships will follow.
    Personally, I don’t need convincing on principle or policy, I took it as a great opportunity to meet Jonathon and Peter and see who they are, as people. I can say both gents are completely likeable and affable, Jonathon disgustingly so. They are both passionate about what they are doing, Jonathon in a more measured way than Peter, but Peter does have a bit of grit and delivered a little fire and brimstone which I think is needed on the Conservative side. They are great foils to each other in that regard and will make a good combination as they grow through the campaign. The biggest issue remains coverage for the AC. Resources are limited and with a compliant, elitist media cutting through is a massive problem. I was actually encouraged by their efforts at grass roots and focus and targetting of beneficial electoral areas. I hope the AC teams in the other states are as strong as the WA one. I came away feeling proud of my choice to contribute and of the team that is giving up a massive portion of their personal lives to try and make a difference. There was an even focus on both federal and state issues to boot, not just a common party line. So, something has to change in this country. There are several contributors to the AC on this blog, some small like myself and a particularly generous one who is certainly well appreciated. If you think there’s a better way, a few bob in the right hands could just make a difference.

  150. I’m surprised you didn’t go to Cuba for medical treatment

    Not such a bad idea.
    Treatment prices average about a third lower than those in the United States. For example, according to the American Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons, in 1999 rhinoplasty cost $3100 in the United States compared with $1710 at Cira Garcia, and abdominoplasty (“tummy tuck”) cost $4198 in the United States compared with $2340 at the clinic.

    The cancer wasn’t diagnosed when we went to Cuba.

  151. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m surprised you didn’t go to Cuba for medical treatment

    Not such a bad idea.

    We should send ill asylum seekers on Nauru there then, to save cost of treatment in Australia.

  152. struth

    The biggest issue remains coverage for the AC. Resources are limited and with a compliant, elitist media cutting through is a massive problem.

    Bernardi went over and studied the Trump campaign.
    They see Pauline and Fraser Anning have higher profiles, yet, (and I truly understand the media see AC as the real worry and have really blacked them out) they can’t outsmart the media to get attention, and they had long enough to do that.
    Cory is not a leader, no matter how much of a nice guy he is.
    I’ll still vote for them, but no more money than what I have already given them (and I am a party member) will they receive.

  153. struth

    Not such a bad idea.
    Treatment prices average about a third lower than those in the United States.

    And the doctors are lucky to get paid at , let alone the tuppence they are paid.
    It’s called a sweat shop.

  154. notafan

    First world country third world country

    Cosmetic surgery is also cheap in Thailand

    what is your point?

  155. Mother Lode

    The biggest issue remains coverage for the AC. Resources are limited and with a compliant, elitist media cutting through is a massive problem.

    Surely the trick is to say things that scandalise the media (they won’t be able to help themselves in broadcasting it) and then use social media to actually deliver your message.

    Worked a treat for Trump.

  156. Mark A

    notafan
    #2980075, posted on April 5, 2019 at 12:10 pm

    Or hardened them to the suffering of others.

    losing both parents, two brothers, the oldest girl has shrapnel wounds

    I think they know all about suffering

    Hope you are right and they are not full of hatred and looking for revenge.
    I’m not as kind and forgiving as you, sorry to say.

  157. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    umm, just reading back, I should correct: I voted Aust Cons and then put Latham as my first preference not as wrongly stated my second preference for the Upper House. My apols, just my sloppy way of saying he was second on my list.

    ===============

    We don’t have live-in help these days, Stimps, so I was just off to make myself a cup of tea, and here’s Hairy, with a steaming brew in his hands ready for me. He forgot the bikkie though, so I might dock his wages. 🙂

    At least we paid better for live in help than De Nutjob with his strange ‘live in’ accounting. Our main level of household assistance these days is with call-in gardening and cleaning plus general property maintenance. And lots of people have that, so no biggie.

    I am saddened Stimpy that you think my writing here could be replaced by Cindy, our Chinese cleaning lady and her team of familial experts. Her communicative style is so short and direct.

    OK, Mizzz Lizzie Wenday.
    OK, Mizzz Lizzie we com now.
    OK, Mizzz Lizzie solly he forget trowel in bhart.
    OK, Mizzz Lizzie you put two huned dollar all OK.

  158. notafan

    Americans would also have to pay travel and accommodation to go to Cuba

    not to mention 99,99 percent of Cubans couldn’t afford to pay for any private surgery let alone cosmetic surgert

  159. Mother Lode

    Surely the trick is to say things that scandalise the media

    I should perhaps make clear that this relies on the media believing they ‘control’ the people, so it is up to them to decide our opinions for us and they have not the slightest inkling that people might think differently than instructed.

    They really are not that bright.

  160. notafan

    The next day, while walking along Cienfuegos’ main shopping street (El Búlevar), the group paused to peruse the local pharmacy that serves local Cubans. I counted barely a handful of drugs (all locally produced) for sale on the sparsely stocked shelves.
    What a study in contrasts!…
    The barebones Cubans-only pharmacies. And the foreigners-only pharmacies fully stocked with imported drugs, reminding me of President Jimmy Carter’s admonition (presented live on Cuban TV during his visit to Cuba in January 2001) that Cuba can buy all the drugs its needs from Mexico, Brazil, etc. at prices well below those charged in the United States.
    The Cuban government disingenuously tells Cubans that the U.S. embargo is to blame for the critical shortage of basic medicines. How, then, to explain the fully-stocked pharmacies serving tourists, which Cubans never get to see? Clearly, a political decision has been made to not stock the Cuban pharmacies.

    the real cuba

  161. notafan

    There is nothing to forgive Mark

    These are children dragged to a war by their mother and father

  162. EvilElvis

    They see Pauline and Fraser Anning have higher profiles, yet, (and I truly understand the media see AC as the real worry and have really blacked them out) they can’t outsmart the media to get attention, and they had long enough to do that.
    Cory is not a leader, no matter how much of a nice guy he is.

    I completely agree, struth. The difference is that Pauline is a personality and has history, Fraser rides on that a little. Cory is a leader but wants to build something bigger than himself, hence its the Australian Conservatives not Cory Bernardi’s so and so’s. I think the best bet for them is to play on the ‘conservative’ meme to be provocative not rely on a personality to be provocative. I have some ideas but again, there’s not the resources to reach out with a big, provocative stick.

  163. not to mention 99,99 percent of Cubans couldn’t afford to pay for any private surgery let alone cosmetic surgert

  164. Confused Old Misfit

    Ah Lizzie!
    You are so quintessentially FEMALE that some male are unsure of how to interact with you.

  165. not to mention 99,99 percent of Cubans couldn’t afford to pay for any private surgery let alone cosmetic surgery

    All essential surgery in Cuba is free.
    Cuba has historically – both before and during Communist rule – performed better than other countries in the region on infant mortality and life expectancy.

  166. EvilElvis

    Surely the trick is to say things that scandalise the media (they won’t be able to help themselves in broadcasting it) and then use social media to actually deliver your message.

    Worked a treat for Trump.

    ML, again, Trump had history, a following and profile already. Custard could paint himself with swastikas and run down St George’s terrace naked and there wouldn’t be a word of it in the media. I think a big chance has to be taken on TV advertising, use the media, use getup/union tactics, then let the media come to you. One way or another the word would be out. But once again, resources.

  167. Cuba has historically – both before and during Communist rule – performed better than other countries in the region on infant mortality and life expectancy.

    A libertarian troll appears!

    He plays the “citation needed!” card.

    Numbers can flee or produce a citation. Press A to continue.

  168. notafan

    Numbers is a liar

    I provided a paper here last time this was raised that clearly shows Cuba performs forced late term abortions to duke the infant mortality rate stats

  169. notafan

    Which is exactly what you would expect from a communist country

    numbers is not a communist but he sure likes apologizing for communist regimes

  170. zyconoclast

    Trump backs off threat to close the U.S.-Mexico border

    Talking to reporters in the White House, Trump said that he would instead give Mexico a “one-year warning” to stop the flow of drugs into the United States and that he would first impose auto tariffs before closing the border.

    Several hours later, the president distanced himself further from his previous promises to shut it down.

    “Before we close the border, we‘ll put the tariffs on the cars,“ he said while speaking to reporters in the Oval Office. “I don‘t think we‘ll ever have to close the border.“

  171. notafan

    You don’t need Spanish for the vid

    self explanatory

  172. notafan

    It’s free they just don’t have it in stock

    The Public Health Minister, Roberto Morales Ojeda, explained that 2018 will be a year that the government makes great efforts, in both a financial and industrial sense and he pointed out that 49 medicines are “missing”, 44 of which are produced in Cuba and only five of which are imported.

    a Cuban pharmacy

  173. C.L.

    Virtue watch …

    ABC Online:

    ‘Garry, this is for you’: Morrison chokes up announcing disability royal commission

    Yes, Garry – here’s 20 or 30 million dollars from taxpayers. Whoever you are.

  174. Mater

    Cuba has historically – both before and during Communist rule – performed better than other countries in the region on infant mortality and life expectancy.

    Mmmmm.
    South America. Talk about setting low expectations.

    both before and during Communist rule

    So, even if true, it’s not necessarily as a result of your preferred ideology; they got a leg up from the previous incumbents.

  175. JMH

    Bernardi went over and studied the Trump campaign.
    They see Pauline and Fraser Anning have higher profiles, yet, (and I truly understand the media see AC as the real worry and have really blacked them out) they can’t outsmart the media to get attention, and they had long enough to do that.
    Cory is not a leader, no matter how much of a nice guy he is.
    I’ll still vote for them, but no more money than what I have already given them (and I am a party member) will they receive.

    Struth, I agree with what you’ve said. Instead of donating cash now, I am donating my time.

  176. Mother Lode

    These are children dragged to a war by their mother and father

    People have a habit of conceptualising people as they are along with what they might have been.

    For example, some guy brought up by a brutish father becomes a monster himself. People will wring their hands and excuse his behaviour (to varying degrees) because his viciousness was impressed upon him. There is a feeling that a good version of him will be punished along with the bad one.

    But the simple fact is that he is still brutish. Enjoys inflicting pain. Still sees other people as prey. Still kicks dogs, hits women, and wallops men with a crowbar. The person he might have been does not exist anywhere except in our own heads. This alternative feels no pain, has no feelings, is nothing.

    So, coming back to the kids – even if their parents dragged them over to the ME to live under ISIS, the question is what are they like now. Are they little bastards? Can they be rehabilitated?

    Those are the questions that we need to answer, not whether it is their fault.

    /rant

  177. C.L.

    If they had been ‘stolen’ from their wretched Aboriginal drug-fiend mother, they would be alive today:

    Townsville mum to be charged with manslaughter after sons drown in river.

    I will be watching this one closely because I suspect she had serious form before this tragedy.

  178. thefrollickingmole

    Numbers wants to wait in line for basic procedures you can do at home, or something..
    https://havanatimes.org/?p=114903
    HAVANA TIMES — Most visitors to the island marvel or are astonished at how often Cubans head down to the doctor’s office, polyclinic or hospital, even when they’re in good health.

    What they don’t know is that this is the only way Cubans can get the prescriptions they need, renew their treatment plans or get doctors to write up prescriptions for dipyrone or aspirin, simple analgesics that can only be obtained at the pharmacy with a doctor’s note.

    There are also a lot of hypochondriacs that accumulate all kinds of prescriptions “in case they need them.” Those who go to pharmacies to buy the medications they need now or could need in the future are therefore in the thousands, perhaps even the millions.

    Clinics are also where people get referrals to see specialists at polyclinics, a dietary plan which increases their food rations, medical certificates for work or notes to get simple blood pressure and sugar checkups, as these lack the basic instruments needed to conduct these tests quickly.

    Of course, the government can afford so many doctors because they are paid extremely low salaries by international standards. The average is between $30 and $50 per month.

  179. Steve trickler

    Knock knock knockin’ on Heaven’s door…..

    “Death is has a having a hard time finding this guy”. ( A comment from the Tube ) Damn straight!

    How long can you hold your breath? This bloke tops 5 minutes whilst swimming around.





  180. zyconoclast

    April 9: House Judiciary to Hold Hearing on Hate Crimes & White Nationalism

    Background: Communities of color and religious minorities have long been subject to discrimination and have been targeted by groups who affiliate with ideologies of hate. White identity groups have a long history of oppressing racial and religious minorities and promote individual expressions of violence with the aim of preserving white racial and political hegemony. Social media platforms have served as world-wide conduits to spread vitriolic hate messages into every home and country. The deadly 2017 “Unite the Right” white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia served as a frightening reminder of the current threat white nationalism and hate groups pose to the nation.

  181. zyconoclast

    Short of Workers, U.S. Builders and Farmers Crave More Immigrants
    As a tight labor market raises costs, employers say the need for low-wage help can’t be met by the declining ranks of the native-born.

  182. Dr Faustus

    Plibbers tries to pull Shorten out of the mire after he claims that the 550,000 annual ALP electric vehicles will be able to recharge in “eight to 10 minutes depending on your charge” .

    “It’s not a memory test this thing, it’s about making sure we’ve got the right policies.

    “One of the reasons that we’re committing $100 million to fast charging stations is because we know that increasingly around the world that electric vehicles are becoming more popular and more common.

    “So, a fast charging station you’d spend about 20 or 30 minutes charging your car.”

    So, Plibb’s 20 or 30 minutes – not Shorten’s 10 minutes?

    Well, the rate of charge is proportional to the battery capacity. So, Plibersek is roughly correct for a top spec 250kW Porsche or Mercedes (always assuming the experimental ultra-fast charging stations prove to feasible) – and nearly truthy for a more modest 120kW Tesla (1 to 2 hours).

    But an everyday 40kW Nissan Leaf? Try 6 to 17 hours – unless you want to cook-off your battery with a rapid charge, or drastically reduce its life by doing a series of part-charges.

    Rock-solid, NBN-grade engineering.

    They are fucking laarfing at us…

  183. Boambee John

    From Richo –

    There are still wackos running around suggesting the CIA was behind the 9/11 disaster. The weaker the mind, it seems, the likelier you will see conspiracy theories thrive.

    Has the Labor party got over its “CIA ousted Whitlam” conspiracy theory yet?

  184. Des Deskperson

    Here’s an interesting Fair Work Commission decision, from the ABC:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-05/opera-house-contractor-fired-for-being-drunk-company-appeals/10969408

    The employee worked for a company contracted to the Sydney Opera House. She was dismissed after being vomiting drunk at an after hours function, She was dismissed by the company on the grounds that her behaviour breached its ‘code of conduct’

    Fair Work commissioner Ian Cambridge ordered the company to re-instate her, labelling the decision to dismiss the woman as “harsh, unreasonable and unjust”.

    “Frankly, if one act of inoffensive drunkenness at an after-work function provided valid reason for dismissal, I suspect that the majority of Australian workers may have potentially lost their jobs.” he stated.

    Some interesting points:

    the event was not an official ‘work function’: it took place after hours and participants paid for their own drinks

    on the other hand, the venue appears to have been at or near the Opera House, so the behaviour could have been observed by Opera House management and affected their perceptions of the professional standards of the contractor and its staff

    there is no evidence that the company ‘code of conduct’ covered standards of employee behaviour outside the workplace .

    Me, I would have ‘counselled’ her, that’s all.

    The company is appealing the decision.

  185. notafan

    Championing of Cuba is particularity sickening coming from hey I was at mass I couldn’t go to Brisbane because parish commitments Numbers when you are aware of the extent to which the Catholic church was oppressed under the Castro regime

    From the moment that Castro took hold in January 1959, churches were in trouble. The regime quickly launched a propaganda campaign against the faithful, describing Catholics as “social scum.” By the late 1960s, Christmas was banned on the island. Churches were shut down. Priests and their parishioners were silenced, arrested or placed under tight surveillance, with every word of every service or homily monitored by government church-watchers infiltrating the pews. Any criticism, especially of the Marxist regime, was very dangerous. One could not be a member of the Communist Party in Cuba (the only party legally permitted, including for any government jobs) without professing a belief in atheism.

    Castro’s war on religion

  186. Numbers can flee or produce a citation..

    Cuba – World Health Organisation. 2016. Retrieved 26 August 2018.

    I provided a paper here last time this was raised that clearly shows Cuba performs forced late term abortions to duke the infant mortality rate stats

    Produce your “paper”.
    A Right Wing media source is not a “paper”.

  187. Mother Lode

    Oh, I entered a comment that disappeared as soon as I hit ‘Post Comment’.

    Not awaiting moderation, but just…gone.

    I can’t help thinking that it has gone through some sort of wormhole created by an extremely unlikely combination of quantum states, and appear in the SMH or something.

    Certainly not Bolt’s or Blair’s. Their mods are so oblivion-happy that even quantum physics is their plaything.

  188. notafan

    I did and you ignored it because it didn’t suit your narrative

    Even you could see that most of Cuba’s doctors are little more than glorified health workers

  189. struth

    You don’t need money.
    You need a leader with brains enough to irritate the media into action.

    Trump spent SFA on advertising compared to Hillary, letting the media do it for him.
    Bernardi saw this.
    It cost me a lot of phone calls and a coupla grand in fuel and a few days off work for the convoy.

    If I were Bernardi, I’d pick out different leftist journalists in the ABC and start commenting on who’s who there.
    You start singling journalists and their incredibly biased reporting out.
    All journalists care about is a walkley and their own personal reputation.
    There’s plenty to expose, but he’s got to be the one to do it.

    You single them out.
    They’ll attack quick smart.
    Cheap, but Corey doesn’t have the mongrel in him.

    Or you say something that is just so outlandish to leftists, but just happens to be the truth, that they jump but get proven wrong, like the Hitler issue, just like SNIFFY McPRIVATEPATIENT did.

    He felt comfortable to smugly jump all over that one, yet couldn’t argue his cause, because, well, he’d never contemplated that a socialist was a socialist…………………..they aren’t bright, so go in swinging.

    It costs SFA.
    “We need more funds to do it”, is a cop out.
    It really is.
    He has no other job, this is not a hobby for Bernardi, he has been at this now for years, full time.
    Sorry, it doesn’t wash with me.
    I’ll support the one taking the strongest fight up to the left.

  190. Steve trickler

    My post above is awaiting moderation. I’ll try again without the graphics.

    Guillaume Nery exclusive Sportlife documentary

    The Passage (final scene) with Guillaume Néry

  191. Numbers when you are aware of the extent to which the Catholic church was oppressed under the Castro regime

    Something must have changed.
    We went to mass on Sunday in a Havana last July.
    We weren’t arrested, and nor were the Cubans of all ages present.
    A much larger rollup, incidentally, than I’ve seen locally in decades.

  192. Steve trickler

    If Sinc releases the above, enjoy the ride. ( :

  193. Eyrie

    ” If you are paying, it’s because of the choices you have made.”

    “The only choice we had was to pack up for a month and head to Brisbane, where public radiotherapy is available. We would have had to find accommodation and fill in the empty hours between treatments – not much fun.
    (I believe there is some form of allowance available from QHealth which would have ameliorated the costs somewhat).
    This would have meant farming out pets, neglecting the garden ( a source of comfort in difficult times) cancelling weekly volunteering/study/parish work etc which are major contributors to daily quality of life.”

    Er, yes. So the private sector finds it worthwhile to provide the service in Toowoomba and the public sector doesn’t.
    The difference between private incentive and public LACK of incentive.
    I’d have thought a good communist like Numbers would simply put up with the inconvenience and live by his beliefs but, then again, commies are hypocrites.

  194. So, even if true, it’s not necessarily as a result of your preferred ideology; they got a leg up from the previous incumbents.

    I couldn’t care less about ideology.
    I report what I see, rather than finding something to hate or dismiss, and looking for a rationalisation.
    There are some pretty sick people posting here.
    I’m not sure about mental health support in Cuba, but maybe you should check it out.

  195. notafan

    Unlike numbers (why do lefties always lie) claim that my source was a ‘right win’g one (whatever that means it was an academic paper

    From Oxford Academic
    There is another paper floating around the net that blows up Cuba’s claimed academic excellence too

    Misreporting to meet fixed targets is not the only reason for the low infant mortality rate. An ethnographic study of the Cuban health system showed that physicians who worried that a mother’s behavior might lead to missing the centrally established targets will prescribe the forceful internment in a state clinic (casa de maternidad) so that they may regulate her behavior.4 Physicians often perform abortions without clear consent of the mother, raising serious issues of medical ethics, when ultrasound reveals fetal abnormalities because ‘otherwise it might raise the infant mortality rate’ (Hirschfeld 2007b:12).5

  196. Eyrie

    struth, correct.
    Cory doesn’t have the mongrel in him. Soft and gutless. Won’t fight because he might get his hands dirty. Just piss weak.

  197. Numbers if you have any conviction at all, you will read the “Real Cuba” website.

  198. notafan

    So attending one mass recently proves 65 year of oppression didn’t happen

    okay

  199. Speedbox

    I have previously been vocal about the inevitability of electric vehicles (EV’s) but Shorten’s idea that Australia could achieve EV sales amounting to 50% of all car sales (meaning sales of 500,000+ new EV’s from 2030) is absurd.

    There are too many issues that we are not ready for – not least of which is the actual electrical supply for these cars. And, the idea that $200 million could set up a national network of charging stations is laughable. At the very best, that would allow for about 3,500 commercial stations to be installed NATIONALLY.

    Transition to EV’s is a 20-25 year proposition and Europe (in particular) has a 5-10 year head start on us. Even the USA is much further advanced with their EV sales being about 2% of the annual yearly new vehicle sales and the required infrastructure. In Australia, it’s (I think) about 0.2% with almost no infrastructure except a handful of commercial chargers dotted about. By the way, a charger for home is about $1,000+.

    Coupled with Shorten’s desire to transition to 50% renewable energy generation by 2030 (and the unspeakable implications of that folly), there is no way the EV plan can be achieved. Virtue signalling at its worst.

  200. calli

    I went to a church in St Petersburg, several in fact. Old ladies were praying there.

    Proof that Soviets didn’t oppress Christians evah.

    The silliness is breathtaking.

  201. zyconoclast

    ‘There is no way they should have been able to go down to the river’: Mother of two Aboriginal boys, aged three and five, who drowned in Townsville is arrested over their deaths

    Barak Austral, 5, and Jhulio Sariago, 3, went missing in Townsville in February
    Their mother Leanne Eatts has been arrested and is expected to be charged

  202. notafan

    Numbers is only here to troll

    Whenever evidence is provided the travelling seagull says his tourist experience trumps all evidence

    Still he isn’t the only one claiming Cuba is a socialist paradise and given that too many yuff think socialism will be excellent if we could just tweek it a little why not have a good working knowledge of reality?

    by the 1980s

    The assessment was grim: Less than 2 percent of Cubans regularly attended Mass, there were about 200 priests, (in all of Cuba!) and discrimination was widespread. Yet from that meeting, the church emerged with renewed vigor and embraced its missionary role.

    rebuilding Cuba’s Catholic church

  203. memoryvault

    Sorry, but taking your bat and ball and stomping off is not a course of action, it’s a course of inaction.

    Proving conclusively that you have no recollection of the event, or what was proposed.
    Trouble is, Struth, you don’t actually read other people’s comments to carefully consider and understand, you simply glance at them to get your next pompous talking point.

  204. struth

    Not only that, Eyrie, he has been told to step up and be aggressive.
    You can see in his behaviour that the message has got through to him, but you can also tell he’s not comfortable being that person, it’s pointless.
    I have great respect for the man, compared to nearly all other politicians, and commend him, but he needs to find an attack dog.
    He can’t do it, he actually has no idea how to, and he should realise he needs one.
    He waits to be asked.
    He comments on the prevailing news of the day, but never, does he attempt to be the news of the day.

    Get an attack dog quick smart, AC’s.

  205. rickw

    Pro abortion and euthanasia Labor really do care!!

    We live in The Lucky Country:

    Lucky if you are born.
    Lucky if you pay less than half your wage in tax.
    Lucky if you don’t get terminated when your working days are over.

  206. notafan

    Calli

    Yeap I did this therefore this never happened

    though I doubt it is mere silliness more like deliberate lying because he is here to bait

  207. mh

    1735099
    #2979916, posted on April 5, 2019 at 9:35 am
    From Richo –

    There are still wackos running around suggesting the CIA was behind the 9/11 disaster. The weaker the mind, it seems, the likelier you will see conspiracy theories thrive.

    Liberty quote…..

    There are still wackos running around suggesting that Trump was colluding with the Russians. We call the wackos ‘the Left’.

    We also call them ‘twats’.

  208. thefrollickingmole

    Vietnam still has catholic churches.

    Proof there is no problem under the Communists.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vietnamese-catholics-persecuted-by-pro-government-thugs

    Top secret footage of numbers, observing, 2019, colourised.

  209. notafan

    That Townsville case

    She gave them drugs and let them wander off?

    Is that what the story is?

  210. notafan

    Numbers

    please come back and explain away the Oxford paper on Cuba’s alleged low infant mortality rate

  211. struth

    Proving conclusively that you have no recollection of the event, or what was proposed.
    Trouble is, Struth, you don’t actually read other people’s comments to carefully consider and understand, you simply glance at them to get your next pompous talking point.

    You’re willing to cut me so deep, to get so deeply personal about what you see as a character flaw in me.
    I’m (sniff) mortified.
    Just so you don’t have to explain your “don’t vote it only encourages the bastards” line.

    You should put up your hand for attack dog for the Aus Con’s.

    I’m deeply hurt, you old wine guzzler, deeply hurt.

  212. memoryvault

    Strategic voting beats protest voting hands down.

    Yes, because it’s worked so well over the past 50 years, hasn’t it Frank.
    Your “strategic voting hands the Liberal, Labor, National conglomerate 95% of the HoR seats EVERY TIME. A truly excellent strategy.

    Besides, who said anything about a protest vote?

  213. bespoke

    Can’t wait for 1735099 travel log from North Korea.

  214. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten thinks electric vehicles can be charged in 8-10 minutes

    Chris Kenny
    Associate Editor (National Affairs)

    Bill Shorten charges an electric car at the launch of Labor’s Climate Change Action Plan in Canberra. Picture: Kym Smith

    Bill Shorten says Australia can shift to 50 per cent renewable energy by 2030 and that electricity supplies will be reliable while prices are lower. He says we will lead the world and generate thousands of green jobs.

    Shorten also says that Australia can reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 45 per cent by 2030 and that we can do this without crippling industry, harming agriculture, disrupting transport or destroying the economy.

    The Labor leader says we can do this in part by placing more controls on farmers and their vegetation clearance, forcing companies to cap emissions and by switching to electric cars, with government interventions and grants installing recharging stations and ensuring half of all new cars sold in a decade are EVs.

    Shorten also says that if we do this we can start to say goodbye to “angry” summers and natural disasters (even though global carbon emissions are currently rising by twice as much as Australia’s total annual emissions).

    The alternative prime minister says Australia can lead the world in green energy and climate policies, that we will enjoy economic benefits rather than disadvantages, and that as a result the weather will improve.

    This is fascinating stuff, rather bold, optimistic and, you might add, incredible.

    But then Shorten also said on radio that electric vehicles can be recharged in about 8 to 10 minutes.

    “How long does it take to charge it up?” Jackie O asked the alternative prime minister in an interview on the Kyle and Jackie O radio show this morning.

    “Oh, it can take, umm … it depends on what your original charge is, but it can take, err, 8 to 10 minutes depend on your charge, it can take longer … ” Mr Shorten replied unconvincingly.

    “Is that all?” Jackie O pressed.

    “Well it depends how flat your battery is,” Mr Shorten said. You can listen to the audio here.

    Oh dear. No wonder he thinks this stuff is so easy. In reality, it takes more like 8 to 10 hours to recharge your EV at home or, if you have access to a special fast charger, about an hour.

    Most people, pundits and polls are predicting a Labor election win. If they are right, Australia will be leading the world on climate and energy policy all right; in much the same way that Burke and Wills led the way on inland development.

  215. memoryvault

    “don’t vote it only encourages the bastards”

    A Billy Connolly joke from about 20 years ago, and accredited as such when I repeated it.

    I’m deeply hurt, you old wine guzzler, deeply hurt.

    And now that I’m alone, character assassination is a waste of your time. Instead of wasting both your time and mine, why don’t you remind me and everyone else what “inaction” you claim I promoted here three months ago?

  216. cohenite

    Surely the trick is to say things that scandalise the media

    The media can be scandalised by simply providing an accurate description of it. As Trump noted, the media is the enemy of the people. If I were AC I would put up a permanent protest in front of the abc.

  217. EvilElvis

    Struth, I get what your saying and have the same opinion. The provocation needs to be a general thing, an ad campaign that doesn’t rely on Cory’s ability to be the provocateur but one that draws attention for its message or for the follow up from media, then he can play his usual hand with the prevailing news of the day. He’s not an attack dog, never will be, play to his strengths.

  218. cohenite

    53000 people, not sure if they’re all from Australia, have signed this petition:

    The government has allocated $48.7 million over four years to commemorate the 250th anniversary of James Cook’s first voyage to Australia. A gross amount of money to commemorate an event that most Australians are not particularly proud of and is harmful to many members of our community.

    The package, detailed in the budget, will support events and exhibitions including a digital platform and educational material for the anniversary. If you believe this funding would be better used elsewhere like I do, then sign this petition to give that message to the government!

    Part of the funding will be allocated to A multi-million dollar journey of the Endeavour to mark Captain James Cook’s first voyage to Australia in 1770 and will “improve public understanding of the historical event” according to outgoing Prime Minister Scott Morrison, like we don’t all know what happened.

    Mr Morrison initially referred to the voyage as a “re-enactment”, but later clarified that he was only referring to the ship “retracing” Captain Cook’s course along Australia’s east coast. Someone should probably tell him that Cook did not actually circumnavigate Australia.

  219. bespoke

    Back to you old self, MV?

  220. struth

    Billy Connolly joke from about 20 years ago, and accredited as such when I repeated it.

    My arse.
    I heard that first when I was a child, it’s a classic get out of talking politics line that’s been used by Australians for at least 40 or so years that I am aware of.
    Probably hundreds of years old.

    And now that I’m alone, character assassination is a waste of your time.

    Have you given up drinking nowadays?

    And as for what you have said about voting, over the years, do you now have no recollection?

    You don’t remember calling us all idiots for voting, because we are just voting for the libs no matter who we vote for?
    For the arguments we’ve had about it regarding voting to send a message, “strategic voting”as regards to you telling us it’s all pointless?

  221. struth

    that he was only referring to the ship “retracing” Captain Cook’s course along Australia’s east coast. Someone should probably tell him that Cook did not actually circumnavigate Australia.

    What’s circumnavigating got to do with sailing up the East coast, which he did.

  222. Zatara

    When the left abandon the sh*tholes they create…

    Amazon Ditches Seattle As Business Tax Threats And Homeless Epidemic Reach Peak Liberal

    Amazon plans to relocate its entire Seattle-based worldwide operations team to Bellevue, Wash., by 2023, adding thousands of employees to its new campus just across Lake Washington, according to an internal email obtained by GeekWire.

  223. memoryvault

    “One of the reasons that we’re committing $100 million to fast charging stations is because we know that increasingly around the world that electric vehicles are becoming more popular and more common.

    The big drawback with electric cars is they need electricity to run. Pretty soon now Australians will have to choose whether they recharge their electric cars, or keep the house lights on. There won’t be enough electricity available to do both.

    I have a sneaking suspicion the lights will win.

  224. Overburdened

    News.com.au doesn’t try to disguise their agenda anymore.
    Top af the page, the statement, ‘ celebrities have rightly condemned Brunei…’.

  225. Mater

    I couldn’t care less about ideology

    You can keep your fake outrage.
    You’ve been continually selling the apparent virtues of Cuba as a defence of your ideology.
    It’s the only reason it’s being talked about.

  226. memoryvault

    I heard that first when I was a child, it’s a classic get out of talking politics line that’s been used by Australians for at least 40 or so years that I am aware of.

    So, you agree it wasn’t “my” line after all.
    So why did you attempt to accredit to me?

    Have you given up drinking nowadays?

    Back to pitiful character assassination attempts again? You should join one of the major parties. Your “talents” are obviously wasted here.

    You don’t remember calling us all idiots for voting, because we are just voting for the libs no matter who we vote for?

    Confirming once again you simply don’t remember what was discussed here three months ago.

  227. mh

    A tv was on at work last night. I think it was the Dumb.

    One of the Chaser boys was interviewing Greg Sheridan on Australia’s foreign policy. Greg has found his comfort zone.

  228. OldOzzie

    Federal Election 2019: Voters rate Bill Shorten and Scott Morrison in exclusive YouGov Galaxy poll

    Exclusive: Australian voters believe Bill Shorten is “untrustworthy” above all other character traits, while Scott Morrison is seen as “well-intentioned” but “smug” and “arrogant”.

    An exclusive YouGov Galaxy poll conducted for News Corp Australia reveals people trust Pauline Hanson more than the Opposition leader.

    Despite these findings, the poll, conducted before this week’s Budget announcements tipped Labor to win the election.

    The ‘Australia Speaks’ survey showed voters primarily see Scott Morrison as “well-intentioned” (34 per cent).

    But voters also viewed the Prime Minister as “smug” (31 per cent), “arrogant” (31 per cent) and “untrustworthy” (30 per cent).

    Mr Shorten was rated “untrustworthy” by 34 per cent of voters.

    That’s slightly higher than One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, who was ranked “untrustworthy” by 33 per cent, although her key characteristic was seen as “dangerous” by 38 per cent of voters.

    Clive Palmer – who has poured millions into a political campaign without confirming if he will run – was also described as “untrustworthy” by 49 per cent of respondents and “arrogant” by 46 per cent.

    Voters also saw Mr Shorten as “well-intentioned” (30 per cent), “arrogant” (30 per cent), “smug” (29 per cent) and “useless” (26 per cent).

    Australians don’t seem to be swayed by their distrust of Mr Shorten, however, with more than one in three Australians in every single age bracket except aged 65 plus saying they would vote for the ALP above the Coalition.

    Older voters were the only age bracket sticking by the Coalition, with 48 per cent saying they would vote to keep the current government compared to just 28 per cent who will vote Labor.

    Compare the Pair

  229. memoryvault

    Back to you old self, MV?

    Fvck off Bespoke. You are on my shortlist of people I will happily tear the throat out of, if the opportunity ever presents itself.

  230. Overburdened

    Re Medibank
    whitlam was the biggest fuck up since Glenrowan, fucked the health system (what we have now is the product of years of trying to fix something that was a shit design from the start which Doctors immediately strip mined and is now inextricably linked to other fucked ideas in other domains.

    whitlam was such a piece of shit, he and cairns hatched a plan to get a bag of loot from kemanhi to try and keep the ship afloat.

    Never let the facts get in the way a legend.

  231. Confused Old Misfit

    I will happily tear the throat out of

    Ah Nature!
    Red in tooth and claw!

  232. thefrollickingmole

    Trump must wake up with a woody seeing the potential for a case like this to be dragging its way through the courts near election time.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/04/jussie-smollett-refuses-to-pay-city-for-investigation

    The city of Chicago says Jussie Smollett has refused to pay more than $130,000 to reimburse costs of investigating what authorities say was a staged racist, anti-gay attack.

    The city’s law department also says in a statement Thursday that it would be drafting a lawsuit in response and would sue the Empire actor in Cook County civil court. The city “will file the suit in the near future”.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s law chief sent Smollett a 28 March letter demanding the actor pay $130,106.15 within seven days.

    A suit could lead to a drawn out battle in civil court that could end in a trial focused on the question of whether Smollett did or did not orchestrate the 29 January attack.

    Smollett, who is black and gay, maintains he has told the truth since reporting to police that two masked men assaulted him, shouting slurs and wrapping a rope around his neck.

  233. Boambee John

    We pay the same tax as urban dwellers, but get nowhere near the same services.
    Roll on Labor…

    Because Labor fixed it all up last time they were in?

    Perhaps Toowoomba has changed. Last time I was there it was a major urban centre. Or did you mean “capital city”?

  234. memoryvault

    Ah Nature!
    Red in tooth and claw!

    And I’m in a good mood today, Misfit.
    Wait until I’m pissed off about something.

  235. Overburdened

    Talking the talk from the keyboard.
    Sure.

  236. calli

    It’s the second largest inland city after Canberra.

    Tumbleweeds rolling down the unpaved streets, gunfights in the saloon.

    The Badlands.

  237. Boambee John

    memoryvault
    #2980028, posted on April 5, 2019 at 11:25 am
    I handed out How-to-Votes for the Australian Conservatives two weeks ago in NSW

    So you voted Liberal. Don’t be shy about it.

    Peter

    NSW has optional preferential voting. Liberals got nothing from me.

  238. calli

    I was going to move there once. Had the sprogs booked in to Grammar and Fairholme.

    Beautiful place, loaded with services and wonderful lifestyle. It was a bolt hole for the expats returning from PNG.

  239. Stimpson J. Cat

    Be nice to each other please old people.
    You may be sharing the same home one day.

  240. calli

    Lol. Walking frames at twenty paces.

    When you hear the choppers approaching, don’t fear, it’s just loose false teeth.

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