Open Forum: April 6, 2019

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  1. Overburdened

    Remember the fish

  2. Fat Tony

    calli
    #2981742, posted on April 7, 2019 at 4:49 pm
    OK – forget what Jesus did – it’s not important.
    Just go with the decisions of Man – that’ll work.

    Christians have done horrible, sinful things over what should be a holy, beautiful rite. Saying it isn’t a sectarian issue is dishonest.

    Calli – what is “sectarian” about what Jesus did at the Last Supper?

    Did He divide His followers into different sects? It was His followers – the ones who loved Him and stayed with Him – that were given the bread and wine.

    Why can’t people take it at the obvious face value and not put in their own distorted interpretations ? I would have thought it was pretty straight forward.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Pedro.

    Kalgoorlie skimpies blame cashless society for drop in tips
    Tegan GuthriePerthNow
    April 7, 2019 1:09PM
    Topics
    Regional WA
    Economy

    The new cashless society is taking its toll on Kalgoorlie-Boulder’s skimpy barmaids, with a drop in tips causing some of the women to reconsider the job.

    Visiting skimpy Jenna Veuve, who started out in the city in 2011, said during an eight-hour shift she was lucky to make $200 in tips, compared with $500-$700 “back in the day”.

    She said while the pubs also seemed quieter than in her starting years, she noticed most patrons paid with a card, phone or watch instead of using cash, making it harder to gain tips.

    “The advice I have been given is just to ask the guys to get cash out for tips, but it feels a bit awkward to ask that,” she said.

    “I have heard from some people that they just walk around with the tips jar in one hand and an EFTPOS machine in the other, but I don’t feel comfortable doing that. I think it is a bit tacky.”

    Ms Veuve said she did not want to force people to tip, but the lack of tips made her feel less inclined to return to skimpy work. She quit the scene in 2015 to take up a more lucrative job in topless waitressing for private parties.

    She recently returned to the town which forged her career on a three-week “working holiday” for Brief Encounters skimpy agency, but said it was not what she expected.

  4. Roger

    Did Jesus restrict Communion to only Catholics, or did He give it to non-Catholics?

    Strictly speaking, Catholic and non-Catholic are anachronistic terms in the context of the Last Supper.

  5. RobK

    Kalgoorlie skimpies blame cashless society for drop in tips
    Perhaps her assests have devalued in the intervening years.

  6. None

    Ignore the fact that the interviewer is Glenn Beck but Abby Johnson here is describing a business model that I’ve heard other practitioners describe for the past 20 years. This business model is the one that’s behind Dan Andrews doctors in schools program in Victoria which bypasses parents https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxgS95iN90

  7. Arky

    Catholic and non-Catholic

    ..
    You mean Protestant and non- Protestant.
    The Church was protestant from the beginning.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    Visiting skimpy Jenna Veuve, who started out in the city in 2011, said during an eight-hour shift she was lucky to make $200 in tips, compared with $500-$700 “back in the day”.

    Maybe it is just that the 2019 Jenna is not quite as taut and terrific as 2011 Jenna.

  9. Fat Tony

    Roger – that was a response to an earlier argument regarding an Anglican (or whatever) not being able to receive communion in a Catholic church.

    My point was that Jesus did not divide His followers into different sects etc at the Last Supper – and they were not Catholics/Protestants (all Joos) but His followers.

  10. Arky

    Remember the fish

    ..
    Thanks.
    I forgot to feed the goldfish today.

  11. C.L.

    All the Apostles were Catholics.

  12. Notafan

    Exactly Roger.

    Isn’t it true that most protestant sects reject the real presence?

  13. jupes

    The chairwoman of the Greater Sydney Commission and wife to Malcolm Turnbull shared an article on Twitter yesterday from the website Renewable Energy World, heralding the launch of “the world’s fastest e-vehicle charger” which could charge up to 350 kilowatts — or 200kms — in eight minutes.

    From the website:

    While it may be years before battery packs able to handle the power surge from ultra-fast chargers go mainstream, some new EVs — including Hyundai Motor Co.’s Kona Electric and Jaguar Land Rover Automotive Plc’s I-Pace — already can recharge faster than previous generations.

    Volkswagen’s Porsche brand will introduce its electric Taycan sports car later this year. It’s the first vehicle capable of taking full advantage of the fastest chargers, with a larger battery and the ability to operate at a higher voltage.

    “The cars are coming,” said Marty Andrews, CEO of Chargefox Pty, which installed ABB’s fastest units at some Australia charging stations. “The carmakers want ultra-rapid chargers because they want this to be future-proof. This is not a six-month plan, it’s a 10-year plan.”

    Battery makers are starting to follow that lead. China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd. — better known as CATL — is working to improve charging speeds, according to its website.

    So while they have invented the e-chargers able to charge up to 200 kms in eight minutes, they don’t yet have cars or batteries able to handle the power surge.

    But hey, let’s make it compulsory that Australians buy cars that haven’t even been invented yet. Either that or they have to buy cars that take hours to charge.

    If the Liberals can’t destroy Labor on this then they deserve what they have got coming.

  14. Tel

    The chairwoman of the Greater Sydney Commission and wife to Malcolm Turnbull shared an article on Twitter yesterday from the website Renewable Energy World, heralding the launch of “the world’s fastest e-vehicle charger” which could charge up to 350 kilowatts — or 200kms — in eight minutes.

    Kilowatts are a unit of power, not energy … batteries do not, and never will, hold kilowatts of charge.

    It’s a bit like being asked what time of day it is … and giving the answer in spoons.

  15. Des Deskperson

    Ah, this is Shorten’s beef about government advertising of the budget that gets the top headlines on the ABC news website:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-07/labor-says-government-delaying-election-call-advertising/10979442

    Delaying calling the election so that a government can continue to spend on official advertising is the sort of crass Tammany Hall dodge I’d expect from a Labor administration. Shorten is clearly projecting.

  16. Arky

    I reckon Jesus would be horrified at both protestant and catholic communions.
    All he said was, when you sit down and eat with your Christian mates you should remember him.
    Not some bloody stupid ritual with tiny bloody wafers and everyone taking a tiny sip out of the same cup with some dude wearing a dress hovering over you.
    What a travesty of what it should be.

  17. Tel

    You mean Protestant and non- Protestant.
    The Church was protestant from the beginning.

    The Christians were protestant Jϵws if that’s what you mean.

    Protestants, kind of by definition, need something to protest against.

  18. Roger

    The Church was protestant from the beginning.

    That’s anachronistic; the term “Protestant” didn’t come into existence until certain German princes and noblemen presented their “Protestation” at the Second Diet of Speyer in 1529.

    Isn’t it true that most protestant sects reject the real presence?

    You could say that, nota. The Lutherans are the only Protestant body that regards the real presence as a dogma, afaik.

    All the Apostles were Catholics.

    I was waiting for you to say that, C.L..

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the Liberals can’t destroy Labor on this then they deserve what they have got coming.

    I’m struggling with this, as well – this should be Whining William’s “birthday cake moment” – as in the 1993 election campaign, where John Hewson didn’t know what a 15% G.S.T. would do to the cost of a birthday cake.

  20. Roger

    What a travesty of what it should be.

    Of course, Jesus was wearing a “dress” at the time.

  21. Arky

    The Christians were protestant Jϵws if that’s what you mean.

    ..
    Yes Tel.
    Exactically.

  22. zyconoclast

    Visiting skimpy Jenna Veuve, who started out in the city in 2011, said during an eight-hour shift she was lucky to make $200 in tips, compared with $500-$700 “back in the day”.

    Back in the day looks like it was a very long time ago for Jenna Veuve

  23. Roger

    I’m struggling with this, as well – this should be Whining William’s “birthday cake moment” – as in the 1993 election campaign, where John Hewson didn’t know what a 15% G.S.T. would do to the cost of a birthday cake.

    Popular media is a lot less concentrated now.

    I’d wager more than half of voters don’t even know about his idiotic comment.

  24. Fat Tony

    Arky
    #2981770, posted on April 7, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    Arky gets it.

  25. RobK

    Tel,
    True.
    Kilowatts are a unit of power,… 
    She might get over the line with, 350kW for eight minutes, being good for 200km. (If its a sedate drive).

  26. Roger

    Arky gets it.

    …gets what, Tony?

  27. Arky

    …gets what, Tony?

    ..
    Everything.

  28. Arky

    The whole point of the new testament is how to live when your society is under the thumb of a global empire and all your leaders are sellouts.
    That’s the story.
    How in blazers can a Church in cahoots with the state propagate that story?
    It can’t.
    “Catholic Christians”
    Faaaark.

  29. dover_beach

    All he said was, when you sit down and eat with your Christian mates you should remember him.

    What do we find in the NT:

    And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, ‘Take, eat; this is my body.’ And he took a cup, and gave thanks, and gave to them, saying, ‘Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.’

    It is for this reason and this alone we treat the Eucharist and its reception with utmost seriousness, and why some of the comments here are sacarine nonsense.

  30. Tel

    That’s anachronistic; the term “Protestant” didn’t come into existence until certain German princes and noblemen presented their “Protestation” at the Second Diet of Speyer in 1529.

    By your rule we could not talk in English about events 2000 years ago … because back then no one was speaking English, nor even anything like that. It would be necessary to re-learn the old languages in order to discuss historical events.

    Maybe that’s a good idea.

  31. Roger

    By your rule we could not talk in English about events 2000 years ago …

    Not at all, it’s just a reminder that we need to be accurate with historical terms. To do so is an aid to critical thinking. The misuse of historical terms is also often done in the cause of making mischief, as when people say “The early Christians were Communists” because they held their goods in common.

  32. Gab

    “Protestant” literally means protest, from the Latin protestari , which is exactly what the “reformation” was all about. Protesting against the Catholic, apostolic, Church.

  33. zyconoclast

    Is there nothing the QWERTY can’t be?

    War hero and ‘Father of the American Cavalry’ was actually a woman

    Washington: A hero of the US Revolutionary War, who rescued George Washington and was known as the “Father of the American Calvary,” was actually a woman or intersex.

    “The skeleton is about as female as can be.”

    Last year, three researchers at Arizona State University took up the case again and were able to match mitochondrial DNA in Pulaski and his grand niece, finding it identical.

    The United Nations says that up to 1.7 per cent of the world’s population are born with intersex traits – meaning they are born with both male and female sex characteristics.

  34. cohenite

    RobK

    #2981779, posted on April 7, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    Tel,
    True.
    Kilowatts are a unit of power,…
    She might get over the line with, 350kW for eight minutes, being good for 200km. (If its a sedate drive).

    This needs to be developed into a talking point, easily understood and irrefutable by the chattering classes.

    Batteries don’t produce power (except primary batteries which is not relevant). Questions:

    Is there an upper limit to the speed power can be stored in a car battery
    How much power is lost in the conversion process of storage and release from a car battery
    Does rate of storage damage or lesson the life of the car battery
    etc

  35. Roger

    It is for this reason and this alone we treat the Eucharist and its reception with utmost seriousness…

    Some died because they didn’t take the reception communion seriously enough, 1 Cor 11:30.

    It’s a powerful thing.

  36. Arky

    Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
    2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
    3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
    4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.
    5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.
    6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.
    7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
    8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
    9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
    10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
    11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
    12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
    13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
    14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
    15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
    16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
    17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
    18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
    19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
    20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
    21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
    22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
    23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
    24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
    25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
    27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
    28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
    29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
    30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
    32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
    33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
    34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
    35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
    36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
    37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
    38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
    39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
    40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
    41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
    42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
    43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
    44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
    45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
    46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.
    47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
    48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
    49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
    50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
    51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
    52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
    53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
    54 Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest’s house. And Peter followed afar off.
    55 And when they had kindled a fire in the midst of the hall, and were set down together, Peter sat down among them.
    56 But a certain maid beheld him as he sat by the fire, and earnestly looked upon him, and said, This man was also with him.
    57 And he denied him, saying, Woman, I know him not.
    58 And after a little while another saw him, and said, Thou art also of them. And Peter said, Man, I am not.
    59 And about the space of one hour after another confidently affirmed, saying, Of a truth this fellow also was with him: for he is a Galilaean.
    60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
    61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
    62 And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.
    63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.
    64 And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?
    65 And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.
    66 And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,
    67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:
    68 And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.
    69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
    70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
    71 And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

  37. Neil

    where John Hewson didn’t know what a 15% G.S.T. would do to the cost of a birthday cake.

    Actually he did. I think he got the answer right but it came out so complicated that the interviewer made the point that if it was so complicated for a birthday cake it would be impossible for some things

  38. Arky

    The story itself is serious enough.
    Without adding pomposity to it.

  39. Something Greenies don’t seem to be able to understand:
    Recycling takes a wealthy society – one that uses lots of electricity and fuel.


  40. calli

    It’s a powerful thing.

    Yes.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Actually he did. I think he got the answer right but it came out so complicated that the interviewer made the point that if it was so complicated for a birthday cake it would be impossible for some things

    Thanks for sorting that one. For me, the other issue was why the Liberal Party never challenged Keating as to how he reversed his support for a G.S.T. as part of tax reform, in the late Eighties, to opposing said G.S.T. in 1993.

  42. calli

    Passover begins on the 19th too. The great full moon will shine down upon us just as it shone upon the face of the Temple as Jesus and the disciples walked by on their way to Gethsamane.

    This week, though, everyone is cutting palm leaves.

  43. Overburdened

    Bespoke
    As a rule I don’t watch television other than for sport and danger mouse.

  44. calli

    I hope you don’t think my comments on the issue are saccharin, Dover.

    That would be a first.

  45. None

    There will be prostitutes in heaven and popes in hell.

  46. dover_beach

    The story itself is serious enough.
    Without adding pomposity to it.

    None was added, but it was certainly involved when Rudd moved to the other line. And it is encouraged when we imagine that we are owed reception, and so forth.

  47. jupes

    Popular media is a lot less concentrated now.

    I’d wager more than half of voters don’t even know about his idiotic comment.

    And of course there will be precisely no one in the media to ask Lucy Turnbull to explain herself.

  48. bespoke

    Well that’s owe future crime OB, for not watching appropriate programming. The only other option will to be to drill a hole n your head.

  49. dover_beach

    I hope you don’t think my comments on the issue are saccharin, Dover.

    Never Calli.

  50. dover_beach

    There will be prostitutes in heaven and popes in hell.

    This is true.

  51. mh

    “I have heard from some people that they just walk around with the tips jar in one hand and an EFTPOS machine in the other, but I don’t feel comfortable doing that. I think it is a bit tacky.”

    Yeah. This is a better idea

    https://giphy.com/gifs/social-justice-hyK7OEFxp3nFu

  52. Fat Tony

    None
    #2981805, posted on April 7, 2019 at 6:08 pm
    There will be prostitutes in heaven and popes in hell.

    Amen!!

  53. Arky

    There will be prostitutes in heaven

    ..
    And Model A Fords.
    But no Audis.
    Or their drivers.
    Also, no Bischon Frises.

  54. dover_beach

    Actually, it would be accurate only to say there will be repentant former prostitutes in heaven and unrepentant popes in hell.

  55. calli

    There will be redeemed prostitutes in heaven.

    Bought at a very high price. Along with all the others who are equally expensive.

  56. calli

    Well that didn’t work out too well.

  57. RobK

     ….there will be repentant former prostitutes in heaven…..
    A cuppa tea dear?

  58. Steve trickler

    Just a reminder to Our ABC. 2016

    Brian Cox is a clown and bullshit artists, Tony Jones is joke and Malcolm Roberts spoke the truth.



  59. Atoms for Peace

    A great ad for the coalition. Kids in an EV asking if we’re there yet. Whinging to Dad why is it taking so long to charge the car. Then pan out to a conga line of flat cars, whilst an ALP luminary drives past in an EV Porsche.

  60. Mother Lode

    So, let’s see if we have got this right:

    Shorten makes a fool of himself talking about the recharge time for electric vehicles.

    Next, the Labor brainstrust – with near bureaucratic swiftness – is mobilised to defuse the gaffe…and makes their own gaffe confusing power and energy.

    Wow!

  61. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2981770, posted on April 7, 2019 at 5:26 pm
    I reckon Jesus would be horrified at both protestant and catholic communions.
    All he said was, when you sit down and eat with your Christian mates you should remember him.
    Not some bloody stupid ritual with tiny bloody wafers and everyone taking a tiny sip out of the same cup with some dude wearing a dress hovering over you.
    What a travesty of what it should be.

    For some people, Arky, the mumbo-jumbo is the important part.

  62. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Well that didn’t work out too well.

    Thank you, Calli, I needed a laugh.

  63. Tel

    Batteries don’t produce power (except primary batteries which is not relevant). Questions:

    That’s correct, the battery does not PRODUCE anything. The battery stores energy (produced elsewhere) and delivers power. You can deliver a little bit of power for a long time, or a lot of power for a short time, or some mix in the middle.

    A battery has some useful properties:
    * It is portable.
    * It delivers the amount of power you want, whenever you want it (dispatchable power, in electrical grid language).

    Batteries have some annoying properties too:
    * They get hot, especially with heavy use … and worse, there’s no easy way to quickly get the heat out.
    * They age, wears out, and eventually become junk. More if you cycle them often, and more if you let them get hot.
    * It’s not so easy to be sure of the condition of every cell, therefore tricky to spread the energy evenly over all cells in the battery. Mismatched cells accelerate the aging process.
    * They tend to be heavy, if you want to store a lot of energy.

    All of the bad things could theoretically be improved by better technology, except for the last one which can still a little bit improve if you can remove the water somehow.

    FWIW we already have a great solution to the fast charge problem … and it’s a solution that has been in use for a long time with flashlights, cameras, portable stereos, etc. You simply take out the flat battery and physically replace it with a charged battery. This allows you to achieve massive power delivery with high efficiency and minimal heating. This engineering problem is already solved and requires no more effort … however it creates an economic problem … exchanging batteries will encourage people to pull any good batteries out of circulation while readily exchanging the worst batteries. Thus Gresham’s Law applies to any exchangeable part, including batteries. As an engineer I will hand that one over for the economists to solve … since it really isn’t my problem anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law

  64. Knuckle Dragger

    When any of us (God forbid) get to Hell, I fully expect the abovementioned Jenna to be the door bitch.

    Bloody hell, Zyco. Yurk.

  65. bespoke

    Steve

    Condescending interruptions with no evidence presented as to human involvement.

  66. memoryvault

    Heaven and Hell are actually the same place.
    There is just one great hall, with two long benches, side by side.
    Both benches are laden with everything imaginable that is good to eat and drink.
    One bench is Heaven, and the other is Hell.
    A person’s own nature decides which one they will be seated at.

  67. candy

    For some people, Arky, the mumbo-jumbo is the important part.

    I think rituals appeal to human nature. It might seem like mumbo jumbo but to those involved it makes things more meaningful and brings people together in serious contemplation.

    Sometimes rituals are not so good but. Some football teams have rituals, or used to, like sharing a woman sexually, to bond them as mates and strengthen the team spirit.

  68. DrBeauGan

    memoryvault
    #2981840, posted on April 7, 2019 at 6:54 pm
    Heaven and Hell are actually the same place.
    There is just one great hall, with two long benches, side by side.
    Both benches are laden with everything imaginable that is good to eat and drink.
    One bench is Heaven, and the other is Hell.
    A person’s own nature decides which one they will be seated at.

    The extension to that idea is that we are in it, even now.

  69. calli

    C.S. Lewis thought so too.

    “But what, you ask, of earth? Earth, I think, will not be found by anyone to be in the end a very distinct place. I think earth, if chosen instead of Heaven, will turn out to have been, all along, only a region in Hell: and earth, if put second to Heaven, to have been from the beginning a part of Heaven itself.”
    The Great Divorce

  70. Steve trickler

    bespoke
    #2981839, posted on April 7, 2019 at 6:51 pm
    Steve

    Condescending interruptions with no evidence presented as to humhave an involvement.

    The audience reaction and laughs seems like a stage production.

  71. mh

    Sometimes rituals are not so good but. Some football teams have rituals, or used to, like sharing a woman sexually, to bond them as mates and strengthen the team spirit.

    Canterbury Bulldogs almost got the Storm this afternoon. If you took the 15.5 pts handicap you were laughing all the way.

  72. dover_beach

    I think rituals appeal to human nature. It might seem like mumbo jumbo but to those involved it makes things more meaningful and brings people together in serious contemplation.

    Indeed. Moreover, what people credit as ‘mumbo jumbo’ is, in fact, the substance of the matter without which the performance is nothing more than a trifle.

  73. Boambee John

    Arky
    #2981781, posted on April 7, 2019 at 5:37 pm
    …gets what, Tony?

    ..
    Everything.

    There are antibiotics that might help!

  74. DrBeauGan

    Indeed. Moreover, what people credit as ‘mumbo jumbo’ is, in fact, the substance of the matter without which the performance is nothing more than a trifle.

    Arky and I think it’s the other way around, if I understand Arky aright.

  75. DrBeauGan

    Candy, if rituals bring you comfort, you have to be in a bad way to start with.

  76. MatrixTransform

    It’s a bit like being asked what time of day it is … and giving the answer in spoons.

    yep

    Informational Entropy.
    There’s tons of it these days … it’s just useless for anything sensible.

    Its like we are all bathing in a warm puddle of media gibber.

  77. Tel

    Heaven and Hell are actually the same place.

    And when the sinners go there, the Devil says, “You know you deserve this!” and the sinners say, “At least I enjoyed my life and no matter how powerful you are, you can never take that away from me,” to which the Devil replies, “Grrrr!”

    But then the saints go there, the Devil says, “Sorry buddy, you’ve been ripped off!” and the saints say, “But I led a pious life and I was led to believe there was better in store for me, how can this have happened?” The Devil goes on to explain, “That’s my little trick, getting you guys to believe in religion, a lot of people fall for it. What can I say? I’m just not a nice guy, they call me Prince of Lies for a reason. You’ll get plenty of time to shout about unfair it is.”

  78. calli

    Cute story, Tel.

    What makes you think I don’t enjoy my life?

  79. mh

    Candy, if rituals bring you comfort, you have to be in a bad way to start with.

    The Chinese have a lot of rituals such as the sweeping of the graves, a popular festival. I don’t believe you would have to be in a bad way to get something from it.

  80. RobK

    Tel,
    Swapping batteries.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place_(company)

    The company opened its first functional charging station the first week of December 2008 at Cinema City in Pi-Glilot near Tel Aviv, Israel[1] The first customer deliveries of Renault Fluence Z.E. electric cars enabled with battery switching technology began in Israel in the second quarter of 2012,[2] and at peak in mid September 2012, there were 21 operational battery-swap stations open to the public in Israel.[3]

    Better Place filed for bankruptcy in Israel in May 2013. The company’s financial difficulties were caused by mismanagement, wasteful efforts to establish toeholds and run pilots in too many countries, the high investment required to develop the charging and swapping infrastructure, and a market penetration far lower than originally predicted by Shai Agassi.[4] Less than 1,000 Fluence Z.E. cars were deployed in Israel and around 400 units in Denmark, after spending about US$850 million in private capital.[4][5][6][7] After two failed post-bankruptcy acquisition attempts,[8][9][10] the bankruptcy receivers sold off the remaining assets in November 2013 to Grngy for only $450,000.[11]
    In early October 2012, Agassi resigned from his role as worldwide Better Place CEO, and was replaced by Evan Thornley, CEO of Better Place-Australia. Agassi briefly remained on the company board, but a week later he resigned from that position as well. A few days after Thornley’s appointment, Better Place asked its investors for a round of emergency funding, totalling about $100 million.[22][23] On October 29, 2012, Ynet reported that Better Place would that week lay off 150 to 200 of its 400-person staff in Israel as it sought financing to combat its cash-flow problems.[24]

    In late January 2013, Thornley was fired by Chairman Idan Ofer, and Dan Cohen was named acting CEO by the board.[25] As a consequence of the financial problems, the Australian rollout was put on hold, as the company decided to concentrate on its two existing markets.[26] However, on 26 May 2013, Better Place filed for bankruptcy in Israel.[27]Following the decision of the Board of Directors of the global company, Better Place Danmark A/S also decided to initiate bankruptcy proceedings on the same date.[28][29]

    The company’s financial difficulties were caused by the high investment required to develop the charging and swapping infrastructure, about US$850 million in private capital, and market penetration significantly lower than originally predicted by Shai Agassi, who expected 100,000 cars on Israeli roads by 2010.[4] Less than 1,000 Fluence Z.E. cars were deployed in Israel and around 400 cars in Denmark.[6][7] Under Better Place’s business model, the company owned the Fluence Z.E. batteries, so the court liquidator would have to decide what to do with customers who do not have ownership of the battery and risk being left with a useless car.[30]

    Post-bankruptcy acquisition attempts and liquidationEdit

    In July 2013, an attempt to acquire Better Place was made by the Sunrise group that comprised entrepreneur Yosef Abramowitz and the Association for the Advancement of Electric Transportation in Israel. Court filings showed that the acquisition would be worth 18 million Israeli shekels (US$5 million) for Better Place’s assets in Israel, and 25 million Israeli shekels (US$7 million) for its intellectual property, held by Better Place Switzerland. The deal was canceled by the court after the Sunrise group failed to make the first agreed payment of 3.52 million shekels (US$976,300), even after an extension.[9]

    In August 2013, the Central District Court ruled that Better Place Israel would be sold to Success Assets Ltd., owned by Tsahi Merkur, for 11 million shekels (US$3million). To effect the acquisition, Merkur was to sign a personal guarantee within seven days for the full amount of the acquisition, and a personal guarantee for a letter of indemnification covering the guarantees made by Better Place Israel’s subsidiaries to the Ministry of Transport. Within 21 days, Merkur was to deposit with the company’s special managers an opinion on a property on which a commitment to register a lien of up to 5 million shekels would be placed. By 30 September 2013 he was to make a payment of 2 million shekels.[9] On 17 October 2013 the deal was canceled after Success Assets failed to make the required payments.

    In November 2013, the court-appointed receivers decided to sell the remaining assets of Better Place in parts and liquidate the business.[31]

    And it is a small world:

    Australia’s chief scientist Alan Finkel has had a close connection to electric vehicles for more than a decade.

    He was the chief technology officer for Better Place, the ambitious company that imagined swapping battery packs in standard models, but whose ambition was run over by the fall in battery costs.

    Finkel now has two electric vehicles – a Nissan Leaf and a Tesla – and loves them. “It’s so much more exciting” driving an EV, he says. “You feel more connected than in a petrol powered vehicle.”

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/the-driven-podcast-chief-scientist-alan-finkel-on-battery-evs-and-fuel-cell-evs-52252/

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Candy, if rituals bring you comfort, you have to be in a bad way to start with.

    The rejection of tradition, rituals, code, and honour is why the world is so screwed up right now.

    There is nothing that unites us. No common good or bonds. Just segmentation.

  82. Pedro the Ignorant

    Kalgoorlie’s skimpies are a staple of the town and not many are locals, they usually fly in from all around Oz for a few weeks, make their pile and move on.

    The annual Diggers and Dealers gabfest and pissup is the icing on the cake for the gals, the town is full of of cashed up money men and mining types, very few of whom bring along the missus or girlfriend because it is “all business, you would be bored out of your mind, darling”.

    The sun goes down, the grog starts flowing, deals are done over the bar and then the fun begins.

    The tip jars for some of the more daring well endowed young lasses require emptying half a dozen times a night so they don’t overflow. I have it on good authority that one young lady went home as the proud owner of a brand new Mazda MX-5, the little sports car dearly beloved of hairdressers and skimpy bargirls.

    Tips get a little leaner for some of the *ahem* more mature ladies, like The lovely Jenna.

  83. Top Ender

    Got into a vigorous dispute with a Leftie today who was defending Shorten’s gaffe – “it’s of no consequence” while at the same time maintaining that electric cars could be bought in quickly and charging problems could be solved.

    Two solutions he proposed were a) battery swapping, and b) dropping the electrolyte out of batteries and replacing it. The first sounded odd. I argued that it would not work well given that batteries have variable qualities throughout their lives: you could be getting rid of a very efficient battery which holds a big charge, and receiving a poor battery which doesn’t have much charge and is inefficient in dispensing its electricity.

    The second solution sounded strange indeed. I had not heard of it before.

    The Leftie was indeed vulnerable on where the power would come from though. He knew that Australia’s cities and towns are pretty much at peak consumption of what we’re producing now. He could not state where the electricity to power the cars was going to come from.

  84. candy

    Candy, if rituals bring you comfort, you have to be in a bad way to start with.

    Perhaps it depends on the meaning of ritual, DrBeauGan. Celebrating children’s birthdays could be considered a ritual passed down from eons ago that we all practise.

  85. Overburdened

    Bespoke

    I have been held to close scrutiny at times.

  86. Pedro the Ignorant

    Sorry, Stuffed up the link to the lovely Jenna.

    Here she is.

  87. Roger

    Candy, if rituals bring you comfort, you have to be in a bad way to start with.

    BeauGan’s cigar smoking is a ritual from which he derives comfort.

    Ergo, BeauGan is, by his own standards, in a bad way.

  88. Pedro the Ignorant

    I think I just lowered the tone of the Open Fred somewhat.

    Back to batteries and Catholics, folks.

  89. candy

    I reckon the EV thing is Shorten’s way of placating the Greens.
    He would know that electric cars are the last thing on the mind of low income earners and the concerns of meeting power bills and be able to buy a good cut of meat and decent food and all that, and pay rego .

  90. mh

    Three Hail Marys for you, Pedro.

  91. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2981859, posted on April 7, 2019 at 7:26 pm
    Cute story, Tel.

    What makes you think I don’t enjoy my life?

    Calli, have you never met a Christian who has led a life of abnegation and is a miseryguts, in the expectation of it being balanced out with queening it over sinners in the afterlife?

    I have.

  92. Overburdened

    DrBG

    It may be that you’re being frivolous and if so I apologise for being a wonk.

    Rituals are part of the makeup of people individually and then by extension to the community and so on.

    The first rule of defence is that all defence is normal in the face of change to preserve the image of self.

    IMO if you have no rituals then you are disorganised.

  93. None

    I don’t think it’s just the tips that have dropped, Pedro.

  94. hzhousewife

    RobK
    #2981862, posted on April 7, 2019 at 7:29 pm
    Tel,
    Swapping batteries.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place_(company)

    aah the beloved Evan Thornley of GetUp fame ……… how interesting

  95. None

    Tips and tits or bricks and Micks.

  96. RobK

    b) dropping the electrolyte out of batteries and replacing it. 
    Those flow type batteries are better suited to stationary applications because the energy density isn’t particularly high so you’d carry a lot of weight in a mobile application.

  97. Roger

    I reckon the EV thing is Shorten’s way of placating the Greens.

    So, he’ll sell out the working class for the sake of his own ambitions?

    Well, at least he’s consistent.

  98. Overburdened

    Speaking of tips and Jenna, is it worth a trip to Kalgoorlie?
    Y/N

  99. None

    Oh good grief people are talking like they seriously think we want to drive battery cars. FFS.

  100. RobK

    HZ,
    Thanks. I didn’t know that. We’ve been corralled.

  101. Overburdened

    Needless to say, after the transactional rules, the final rule of defence

    All defence fails in the face of reality.

    Can’t link appellation

  102. stackja

    None
    #2981888, posted on April 7, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    Kev 07 talked seriously about many things. ALP expects voters have forgotten.

  103. DrBeauGan

    The rejection of tradition, rituals, code, and honour is why the world is so screwed up right now.

    There is nothing that unites us. No common good or bonds. Just segmentation.

    Harken wanted us to all join the Borg, too, IT. I’d slightly prefer the Jehovah’s witnesses if we’re all going that way.

  104. Overburdened

    No one’s going to be driving electric cars in a hurry.

  105. DrBeauGan

    IMO if you have no rituals then you are disorganised.

    That’s for sure.

    I don’t smoke cigars for ritual reasons, Roger. I don’t drink chenin plonk sparkling for ritual reasons either, but I’m going to in a few minutes.

  106. stackja

    Overburdened
    #2981896, posted on April 7, 2019 at 7:56 pm
    No one’s going to be driving electric cars in a hurry.

    Stop spoiling the ALP narrative.

  107. Woolfe

    Thinking outside of the circle maybe you could use your EV to power your house when there is a power cut, like the testicle power wall thingy.

  108. hzhousewife

    HZ,
    Thanks. I didn’t know that. We’ve been corralled.

    Yeah – the greens are having electric dreams……………….

  109. stackja

    2GB news: BS says electric car stories are scare stories.

  110. Roger

    I don’t smoke cigars for ritual reasons, Roger.

    Perhaps not, BG, but the ritual is comforting, nonetheless.

    We are ritualistic creatures, there’s no escaping it.

  111. Overburdened

    Apologies for butting in.

    I don’t know who made that statement Dr BG however I think the author has a blind spot for all of the people that have their own sets of these values that are not like his.

    The alternative is anarchy, and I think the people he is railing against have a high degree of organisation.

  112. Not Uh oh

    Does anyone know how these EV’s go when they’re towing a caravan?

  113. MatrixTransform

    dropping the electrolyte out of batteries and replacing it.

    Lithium batteries are light … and good luck getting the electrolyte out

    as for flow batteries … best wear gloves and goggles when refueling.

    the smell of diesel aint so bad.

  114. Roger

    No one’s going to be driving electric cars in a hurry.

    Looking forward to the order from AEMO for EV owners not to charge their cars immediately after work so that families can have power to cook their dinner.

  115. Top Ender

    Musing, musing, musing….

    I’m sure I read somewhere about what makes humans successful in survival is a combination of the opposable thumb, an upright stance, a huge brain, and aggression.

    Can’t find it…not Jared Diamond.

    Anyone?

  116. Overburdened

    DrBG

    As you go through your routine with attending to the cigar and drink, reflect on how often the process is the same.

    I think I have a different definition of ritual to you.

    Apologies

  117. The alternative is anarchy, and I think the people he is railing against have a high degree of organisation.

    Anarchy is underrated and without chaos and destruction there can be no growth.

    In every life some rain must fall.

  118. dover_beach

    ritual reasons

    Yes, the are reasons for this or that performance or rite.

  119. jupes

    The rejection of tradition, rituals, code, and honour [by the west] is why the world is so screwed up right now.

    The religion that cannot be named has rejected none of those things, hence they are now the strong horse.

  120. dover_beach

    ritual reasons

    Yes, there are reasons for this or that performance or rite.

  121. Overburdened

    That’s why all those subdivisions are out there Frank

  122. How to drive conservatives bonkers – just make a reasonable prediction.
    Imagine if anyone had predicted fifteen years ago that we would have no local car manufacturing, and that everybody would be driving SUVs and utes.
    The wailing and gnashing of teeth would have been the same as that following predictions of EVs by 2020.
    Catallaxy – the gift that keeps on giving.

  123. Overburdened

    Failure requires no preparation.

  124. zyconoclast

    Tailgunner
    #2981845, posted on April 7, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    I’m just going to leave this here for the Catholics.

    That video is from Dec 2016.
    What took you so long to post it here.

  125. Infidel Tiger

    The religion that cannot be named has rejected none of those things, hence they are now the strong horse.

    Yep.

    Izzylam also appeals to men because it is unapologetically masculine. Why would a young fella be interested in Christianity today unless he was queer and into recycling.

  126. Imagine if anyone had predicted fifteen years ago that we would have no local car manufacturing, and that everybody would be driving SUVs and utes.

    You utter ignoramous this was pretty much John Button’s idea (end PMV subsidies, back before 1991 at least) and it was going smoothly until Gillard kicked the can along (along with Sharman Stone).

    The wailing and gnashing of teeth would have been the same as that following predictions of EVs by 2020.

    EVs are a nce idea but not ready for mass market adoption. No one is going to drive to a servo and wait 75 minutes to fill er up. Bring it down to 2-4 minutes like a normal car and have widely distributed charging stations, reasonably cheap recharge prices and range better or equal to conventional ICE vehicles.

  127. DrBeauGan

    We are ritualistic creatures, there’s no escaping it.

    I’m not. I don’t mind children’s birthday parties, but I don’t get invited to many. And if I go, it’s because they make children happy, and I like seeing children happy.

  128. stackja

    Andrew Bolt: New York Times story about Murdoch family is not worth spit
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    33 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    I was almost proud when America’s most famous newspaper last week said I was one of the plotters “destabilising democracy in North America, Europe and Australia”.

    Let my enemies tremble!

    But The New York Times, instead, proved the surest way a newspaper destroys a reader’s faith is to write about something the reader knows.

    And about this I know plenty.

    Two months ago, the Times’s Jim Rutenberg asked to talk to me about “about the Murdoch empire at this time of transition” and about its Sky News, where I host The Bolt Report.

    I said no, I’d be wasting my time, given he was certain to take a “hostile look at the Murdochs, one tailored to suit the prejudices of a New York Times audience”.

    Rutenberg protested his series “will not be hostile”, but that wasn’t true.

    It ran last week, claiming to describe “the Murdoch family’s role in destabilising democracy” on three continents.

    But it’s not worth spit, to judge by its account of my role.

    The Times says Murdoch’s son, Lachlan, invited Sky employees to his Sydney home last August and asked: “Do you think Malcolm is going to survive?”

    Natural question, given prime minister Malcolm Turnbull had lost every poll for two years.

    But to the Times, it was actually an order expressing Lachlan’s “desires”, and “in the days that followed, Sky Australia’s hosts and the Murdoch papers … set about trying to throw Turnbull out of office”.

    Indeed, “Andrew Bolt told his Sky viewers that Turnbull’s ‘credibility is shot’.”

    What a crock. First, I missed Lachlan’s gathering, and have never written to orders.

    Second, Lachlan couldn’t make me “set about” what I’d already done for years.

    I’d opposed Turnbull from the day he became prime minister in 2015. That day, I wrote he had no judgment and would “be the leader of a party he cannot unite”.

    He’d fail because his global-warming beliefs were “potentially another party-splitter”.

    Fellow Sky hosts Peta Credlin and Alan Jones also opposed Turnbull, while other Murdoch columnists — Peter van Onselen and Niki Savva — defended him to the last. (Didn’t they get Lachlan’s “order”?)

    And Turnbull failed exactly as I’d predicted.

    That’s the other crucial point the Times ignored in blaming the Murdochs for Turnbull’s fall: Turnbull destroyed himself.

    He was hopeless.

    Like The New York Times.

  129. jupes

    Speaking of betting on the footy, at the beginning of the year I put $100 on West Coast to win the flag at $7 and $10 on Gold Coast to win the flag at $5001 (well Leicester did it in the Premier League).

    Both teams have won two of their first three matches. Now West Coast are $4.75 and Gold Coast are $201. My cash out for West Coast is currently $102.34 (profit!) and my cash out for Gold Coast has risen from $1.75 last week to $9.94 this week.

    Let’s just hope both teams continue with their current form and if I play my cards right, this is going to be a good year.

  130. RobK

    Imagine if anyone had predicted fifteen years ago that we would have no local car manufacturing, and that everybody would be driving SUVs and utes.
    You are funny.

  131. MatrixTransform

    Catallaxy – the gift that keeps on giving.

    nah Numpty, partial integration is the gift that keeps on giving.

    0.0 emissions = 0.0 km/h

    and being stupid does not make you immune to the calculus

  132. 1735099

    Does anyone know how these EVs go when they’re towing a caravan?

    Depends entirely on whether they were designed to tow in the first place.
    Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV tows as well as any SUV.
    Prius can’t tow.
    Horses for courses.

  133. That’s why all those subdivisions are out there Frank

    They could only exist with land clearing and a whole lot of other extractive industries.

    The entrepreneur does not act like an algorithm. The Gold Coast was not spat out as an IF statement and Steve Jobs vision was based on creativity, not by following a procedure.

  134. Overburdened

    Play hard and run strong Jupes

    I reckon west coast/ gws final barring injuries

  135. mh

    Izzylam also appeals to men because it is unapologetically masculine. Why would a young fella be interested in Christianity today unless he was queer and into recycling.

    Tim Blair had a column on this once, and it attracted a yuuge amount of comments.

  136. DrBeauGan

    Izzylam also appeals to men because it is unapologetically masculine. Why would a young fella be interested in Christianity today unless he was queer and into recycling.

    I’m not interested in either, IT. They are not for me. I don’t want to join any version of the Borg.

    The lefty Borg is even less attractive.

    I don’t really understand the attraction of any form of submission to the collective. I don’t like lynch mobs for the same reason.

  137. jupes

    Tim Blair had a column on this once, and it attracted a yuuge amount of comments.

    If only we could read it.

  138. Overburdened

    Agree entirely and all of these examples you cite have substantial infrastructure tied into other aspects of business and economy.

    Anarchy is different.

  139. jupes

    I reckon west coast/ gws final barring injuries

    Yeah but it’s a long season and things can turn very quickly. Just ask Richmond.

  140. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV tows as well as any SUV.

    Jesus christ get out normie reeeee….

    Okay.

    Maximum power ([email protected])
    87 @ 4500
    Maximum torque ([email protected])
    186 @ 4500
    Front electric motor (Max. Output kW)
    60
    Rear electric motor (Max. Output kW)
    60

    So the best it can do is 120 kW at the wheels.

    It is at best, like like a Holden Commodore with a Japanese badge and a soft wheel configuration. Otherwise, it is like a Barina.

    The newest Grand Cherokee has a max output of 344kW at the flywheel.

  141. mh

    That was a few years ago, Jupes.

    When blogs were wild and free.

  142. LDP Memes for Free Market Dreams
    21 hrs ·

    It’s confirmed.
    LDP Tas and LDP SA have been zucced.

    Also we’re getting messages from firearms owners that they’re getting interrogated over online shitposts they’ve made and getting asked about their political affiliations (which is leading back to the LDP)

    Post your best screaming wojaks, ’cause this is getting fucked.

  143. RobK

    Numbers,
    A plugin hybrid is more an internal combustion engined car with an electric transmission than an EV.
    For towing the energy is comming from hydrocarbons directly.

  144. jupes

    I don’t really understand the attraction of any form of submission to the collective.

    Rituals bond men into a tight unit. Think drill in the army or praying to Mecca.

    A unified group of men will beat a bunch of individuals every time. In football parlance – a champion team will beat a team of champions.

  145. LOL

    https://www.jeep.com.au/grand-cherokee-srt.html

    624 Nm of torque at the flywheel! (and 344 kW of power).

    Numbers Bob Bobby Bob reckons a Mitsubish Outlander PHEV with a combined 120kW at the axles (no torque figure given) can tow “just as well” as that hulking V8.

    He is like this blog’s Homer Simpson. God bless that nasal cavity Crayola.

  146. 1735099

    So the best it can do is 120 kw at the wheels.

    Kw means SFA when it comes to towing. Torque is what counts.
    Ever wondered why diesels are favoured by the grey nomads?
    Care to post the torque figures for the Outlander PHEV?

  147. Overburdened

    At the risk of being sentimental about the footy,

    the concierge at a swish hotel in Melbourne was all over me like a rash for two days until footy day when, in a footy focused conversation, I posited that it would be a good thing if WCE and Freo were playing in the final that they should do it at The Home of Footy at Subiaco.

    The AFL would be better if they would piss off the Victorians.

    It still wouldn’t be anarchy, but the vics wouldn’t like it.

  148. RobK:
    You forgot the windmill on the roof of the caravan – that will add quite a few extra watts/volts/kVa/erg thingies to the setup.
    The faster you go, the more power will be generated.

  149. Overburdened

    Please ignore the clown.

  150. Overburdened

    Haha visions of the Winnebago’s roof peeling like a tin of sardines!

    Structural reinforcement= extra weight.

  151. MatrixTransform

    Kw means SFA when it comes to towing. Torque is what counts.

    Rakey Master at work

    LOL

    shhh, we are working on boat ramp failure videos …

  152. DrBeauGan

    Rituals bond men into a tight unit. Think drill in the army or praying to Mecca.

    A unified group of men will beat a bunch of individuals every time

    This is true, but I’m a stiff-necked Welshman and not given to knuckling down to authority. It’s why the Welsh lost to the English, the Anglo Saxon was more obedient.

    I concede this has drawbacks in military matters. But there are compensations in other situations. You don’t all jump into the river because your comrades have.

  153. Tel

    Electric motors give excellent torque … for short periods of time. However, that mode of operation also results in maximum heating, lowest efficiency and hammers your batteries.

    Not sure if regenerative breaking on the downhill works properly in a lowing situation … but I would guess no, because the trailer has regular friction brakes and the tow ball ain’t real good at handling a push load.

  154. Confused Old Misfit

    Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
    Maximum power ([email protected])
    87 @ 4500
    Maximum torque ([email protected])
    186 @ 4500

    Outlander Exceed 2.2 diesel
    Maximum power ([email protected])
    110 @ 3500
    Maximum torque ([email protected])
    360 @1500-2750

  155. 332 Nm numbers – the number wasn’t listed on the Mitsu. page, you had to download the PDF, which I found odd.

    That isn’t totally shithouse but to say it can tow just as much as a modern 6 litre V8 (“ANY SUV”) is just horseshit (not to mention I would not tow a 16-20 foot fishing boat or really heavy caravan with an inferior chassis).

    332 is a smaller number than 624. You know, by about half.

    A 1989 Ford Falcon has nearly the same amount of torque (320 nM) as the PHEV’s electric motor. The upspec Fairmont from the time actually has slightly more (338 nM).

    It is a pretty stupid defence of electric cars you have here. Virtually no one who drives a PHEV recharges them on anything else but the ICE engine. I know because a close friend owns a PHEV.

    You’re not going to be zipping around the Snowy Mountains Highway with boat and trailer in tow – not without using the ICE to charge up the electric motor.

    Something that an anemic and senile PMV market made 30 years ago being comparable to performance isn’t impressive either.

  156. Overburdened

    And you’d maybe need a scoop at the front or something to keep the nose down on the Winnebago.

    The caravan dunno

  157. Pedro the Ignorant

    Hell will freeze over before the AFL Grand Final is played anywhere but the MCG.

    The eight interstate teams could make up the final top eight and the Vics would still manage to get the Grand Final played in Melbourne.

    Furrin non Victorian teams were only there to make money for the AFL, they are not supposed to win premierships.

    Look at the wailing and gnashing of teeth in Melbourne when West Coast took out the 2018 flag. There were even serious demands that the GF be replayed so Collingwood could win.

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking for Cats, with an interest in matters historical. Interesting account by Pierre Asselin, of “Hanoi’s Road to the Viet Nam War 1954 – 1965.” Written with access to new, and previously inaccessible Vietnamese records.

    “Obviously, the United States cannot be exonerated in its role in creating the circumstances that produced the Vietnam War. However, it is important to understand that those who led the Vietnamese Communist campaign against it, and the regime in Saigon were neither passive nor innocent in that process. It is equally important to dispel the myth that those leaders were actually mere Nationalists forced by circumstances to jump on the Communist bandwagon, and resort to war to protect their country against yet another foreign assessor. That is the narrative DRVN authorities at the time propagated in the West, with great success, and which far too many Americans which write and teach about the Vietnam War have helped perpetuate. The essence of that narrative is false, and this study exposes the deficiencies in its central tenets.” (Page 5.)

    Book should make interesting reading.

  159. Maximum torque ([email protected])
    360 @1500-2750

    That is the ICE engine, Misfit. As you can see, the EM torque (actually a selling point, but NOT equal to the top of the range SUV…) is unlisted and can only be found in a downloadable PDF. Ah yeah good marketing job guys…

  160. RobK

    Numbers,
    Torque is what counts.

    To pull away from stop or lugging uphill, torque is important but the extra work done towing is the energy required to get anywhere; the size of your tank, power is how fast you can burn it. PHEV tend to have a low power to weight ratio because they carry a lot of components around. Even trucks with hybrid components weigh more and are only an advantage in stop -start traffic. Final Torque depends what gear you are in.

  161. 1735099

    Jeeps are purchased by wankers.
    They have the lowest reliability rating of any SUV sold in Australia.
    They combine the worst engineering features of the Chrysler Corporation stable (FIAT SpA) with the styling chutzpah of the Ford Edsel.
    Still waiting for you to post the torque figures for the Outlander PHEV.

  162. Still waiting for you to post the torque figures for the Outlander PHEV.

    I just did, moron.

  163. Nick

    Numbers is a goat. He thinks Conservatives would be aghast at buying cheaper imported SUVs and utes.

  164. MatrixTransform

    360 @1500-2750

    is that why it can pull the boat out without sliding down the ramp and shorting out?

  165. Tel

    It is a pretty stupid defence of electric cars you have here. Virtually no one who drives a PHEV recharges them on anything else but the ICE engine. I know because a close friend owns a PHEV.

    The PHEV wins in efficiency when there’s good opportunities to use the regenerative braking (long coasting downhills in the country) and for stop/start city driving where your big ICE engine is grinding through fuel just nudging along in traffic.

    The PHEV loses on a number of other factors: it’s more complicated, more can go wrong with it, you are carrying more equipment that doesn’t directly deliver power so generally power to weight isn’t so good. The hybrid Porsche race cars did pretty well, based on an extremely minimal system … essentially a regular real wheel drive Porsche with a dynamo recovering energy off the exhaust and just enough front wheel electric motors to deliver traction control. Not sure if they bothered with regenerative braking but it’s a race car so efficiency doesn’t matter too much … weight matters a lot more. Having computerized traction control on your front wheels gives better cornering at speed … your average driver doesn’t care although on a shitty wet road every advantage helps.

  166. Bruce of Newcastle

    We are ritualistic creatures, there’s no escaping it.

    The Left, claiming atheism, has been rejecting rituals of Christianity while inventing lots of rituals of their own.

    Recycling
    Welcomes to country
    Meatless Mondays
    Organic food
    Priuses
    Ritual castration
    Infanticide
    Ecocrucifixes (TM: Delingpole)
    Solar panels on roofs
    Marijuana

    It’s really amazing how much of this stuff they’ve invented in just the last couple decades.

  167. 1735099

    Final torque depends on what gear you’re in.

    Except that a pure EV doesn’t need gears.

    But to say it can tow as much as a modern 6 litre..

    Show me where I said that.
    I said it can tow .
    If you’re stupid enough to want to tow your house and/or your boat around, that’s your problem.
    Boats are built to sail, not to tow, and houses to live in.

  168. Overburdened

    #2981945, posted on April 7, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Please ignore the clown.

    I didn’t think it was that bad a joke.

  169. Jeeps are purchased by wankers.

    No, one of the most stand up guys I know owns a Jeep Wrangler. I know a mother of three kids who owns a Jeep to ferry her kids around and she is very down to earth and not pretentious, her and her husband felt they had worked long enough and paid their dues to buy a luxury car.

    They have the lowest reliability rating of any SUV sold in Australia.

    That’s a made up qualitative stat. It also has nothing to do with the fact the PHEV has only mid tier torque in EM mode and mid to bottom tier chassis strength. It also doesn’t matter because your notion that a PHEV can equal ANY SUV in Australia on towing was just bullshit.

    You would not under circumstances tow the heaviest loads with a PHEV.

    The Jeep Trackhawk also has 522 kW of power and 868 nM of torque. To say a PHEV can compete with this is just INSANE. A VW Touareg has similar mind blowing output.

    Wankers – people who can afford (or not) better SUVs and make the EM look anemic, and kill green utopian fantasies.

  170. Hay Stockard

    People going on about electric cars when the whole grid of ebikes for the new class in MotoGP along with batteries and charges combusted in Juarez a few weeks ago.
    Tesla’s incinerating their drivers and otherwise killing people in Nobel ways.
    All statistical outliers?
    You would engage numbers. Reap what you sew.

  171. Bruce of Newcastle

    Spot of spacechooking for Cats, with an interest in matters historical.

    Interesting new book mentioned in an article this morning:

    Winston Churchill: Secret shame during the Russian Revolution

    It was 1919, a year after the execution of Tsar Nicholas II and the imperial family, and the newly-appointed War Secretary, Sir Winston Churchill, had sent the men out to Russia to help put down the Russian revolution.

    The soldiers’ extraordinary journey after they were stranded in Russia without communication for 11 months is described in the book, Churchill’s Abandoned Prisoners.

    Major-General Sir Alfred Knox, commander of the British Military Mission to Siberia, ordered the soldiers to “remain to the last” at their post in Omsk, to aid the evacuation of refugees.

    As a result, the men were trapped in Russia from November 1919 until October 1920, and endured an 8,700-mile journey in sub-zero temperatures by train, sledge, foot and ship to reach Britain.

    Churchill’s Abandoned Prisoners by Rupert Wieloch (Casemate, £20) was out yesterday. Available http://www.casematepublishing.co.uk and select book stores

  172. RobK

    Except that a pure EV doesn’t need gears.
    But as you’ve already said you wouldn’t tow with one. (Basically they haven’t got the energy to do that kind of work, torque is irrelevant in this case)

  173. Hay Stockard

    Novel not noble. Ignoble if anything.

  174. Overburdened

    Wrong clown Winston.

    Apologies

  175. DrBeauGan

    It’s really amazing how much of this stuff they’ve invented in just the last couple decades.

    And taboos, BoN. They are really big on taboos. There must be a taboo factory somewhere where they produce them in bulk. Sinc is forced to buy them, because so many others just love them.

  176. Overburdened

    I wish I had had the opportunity to say, ‘if the cap fits etc’.

    Please feel free to pass it on.

    I’m sure the opportunity will arise

  177. Rafe Champion

    There were even serious demands that the GF be replayed so Collingwood could win.

    One replay might not be enough.

  178. Boambee John

    Dr BG at 2043

    This is true, but I’m a stiff-necked Welshman and not given to knuckling down to authority. It’s why the Welsh lost to the English, the Anglo Saxon was more obedient.

    Hence the old joke about the two old Pommie colonels in their London club enjoying port and the Times.

    “Good soldiers, the Welsh. With white officers, of course!”

  179. MatrixTransform

    Novel not noble.

    heheh, you actually said Nobel …. which I thought was pretty funny.

    Freud types when the spell-checker sleeps

  180. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Good soldiers, the Welsh. With white officers, of course!”

    Forgotten the liquid Welsh phrase that translates as “Wales forever, and ar$eholes to all Englishmen”

  181. Show me where I said that.
    I said it can tow .
    If you’re stupid enough to want to tow your house and/or your boat around, that’s your problem.
    Boats are built to sail, not to tow, and houses to live in.

    Jesus christ that’s fucking lame.

    Talk about a facepalm.

    Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV tows as well as any SUV.

    No.

    Just false.

    More lies to shill for the whacko green left and their insane vision of utopia.

  182. Tel

    It’s really amazing how much of this stuff they’ve invented in just the last couple decades.

    No! Meat free Monday was Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression.

    Infanticide has a long history … Sparta for example.

    Ritual castration was practiced by the Chinese and the Arabs too.

    All food is organic other than salt or if you happen to get sand blown into your lunch at the beach, but random and largely pointless prohibition on certain types of food is as old as history itself.

  183. Overburdened

    Pedro

    The WAFL is the best league and has been for a long time.

    The country footy is the best in WA based on my observations of all bar QLD.

    I feel a bit sorry in moments of weakness for the Inbred Isle, which has produced some of the great players and their progeny and can’t get a run in the AFL.

  184. areff

    How does an electric vehicle use engine breaking?

    It doesn’t.

    Lots of fun coming down the Mt Buller road in the snow, I bet.

  185. Tel

    And taboos, BoN. They are really big on taboos.

    Sure, lots of groups have taboos, nothing new about that either.

    It’s a basic way of distinguishing are mob from thar mob. Someone doesn’t follow the taboo you have a reason to get outraged and whack em. Who doesn’t enjoy moral superiority?!?

  186. Overburdened

    Frank
    trolls fiddle with themselves while reading responses.

    It is infuriating when people are wilfully stupid and this is why they do it.

    There is no debate to win.

    It’s about you paying attention to them.

  187. RobK

    Areff,
    How does an electric vehicle use engine breaking?
    Most EVs have dynamic regenerative braking and provided the battery has capacity to take charge the braking is good. When the battery is full this advantage is lost.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    RAAF pilots to consider duties of women before bombing infrastructure in war zones
    Matthew Benns, Editor-at-large, The Daily Telegraph
    17 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    RAAF pilots are being told to employ a “gender perspective” on bombing operations, in a doctrine which uses a hypothetical case looking at how destroying a bridge being used by enemy troops would force local women to walk further to fetch firewood and water.

    The example is included in a “Gender in Air Operations” doctrine note that is ordering all RAAF personnel to consider their actions through such a viewpoint, which would take into account “gendered social roles’.

    But seasoned veterans have warned the politically correct move adds another layer of decision-making that could lead to fatal hesitation in the heat of battle.

    The doctrine’s foreword by Air Commodore Stephen Edgeley, the RAAF’s Director General Strategy and Planning, said embracing the “gender perspective” would enhance operational capability.

    It gave the example of what a pilot should think about before dropping any bombs.

    “If the military target is a bridge in a community that is being used as a main route by the enemy to transport weapons, this same bridge may also provide the only route for the local population to gather supplies such as water and firewood,” said the doctrine.

    “Although destroying this target may provide a military advantage against the enemy, the second order effect may mean that, due to the gendered social roles, women need to travel further afield, on unfamiliar and less secure, well-known or well-lit routes to gather water and firewood.

    That left the women vulnerable and at “an increased risk of sexual and gender based violence”.

    Australian Peacekeeper and Peacemaker Veterans Association NSW/ ACT president, Bruce Relph, warned the dangers in such an approach lay in how quickly simple strategic advantages could be lost in the fast-paced nature of the battlefield: “So you don’t blow up the bridge because there are women going over it and three days later you fly back and the enemy has used the bridge to set up air defences to shoot you down.”

    He said the new doctrine was an attempt by Air Force top brass to “cover their arses” and “make the buck stop with the pilot” if anything went wrong.

    “This is going to make the pilot hesitate, afraid he might be charged with war crimes, and that puts his life in danger because the enemy will not be hesitating to shoot him down,” he said.

    “Defence is pandering to this gender agenda and that is not how wars operate. Wars are cruel.”

    Why don’t we just sign the fvcking surrender here and now, and save everyone the bother?

  189. bespoke

    EV’s+charging AND infrastructure needed.

    Not Uh oh: Does anyone know how these EV’s go when they’re towing a caravan?
    1735099: Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV tows as well as any SUV

    Followed by plenty of stats proving him (1735099) wrong again. And it’s not an AV it’s a bloody hybrid.
    Ending in this.

    1735099: I said it can tow .
    If you’re stupid enough to want to tow your house and/or your boat around, that’s your problem.
    Boats are built to sail, not to tow, and houses to live in.

    Always keep this in mind.

    Mater
    #2981720, posted on April 7, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    He (1735099) has a habit of deliberately omitting important details in his analogies in order to give a less than accurate impression.

  190. RobK

     When the battery is full …….
    Some braking can be afforded by dumping it as heat.

  191. Done Deal

    If the Liberals can’t destroy Labor on this then they deserve what they have got coming.
    I’m struggling with this, as well – this should be Whining William’s “birthday cake moment” – as in the 1993 election campaign, where John Hewson didn’t know what a 15% G.S.T. would do to the cost of a birthday cake.
    I’m struggling with this, as well – this should be Whining William’s “birthday cake moment” – as in the 1993 election campaign, where John Hewson didn’t know what a 15% G.S.T. would do to the cost of a birthday cake.
    Popular media is a lot less concentrated now.
    I’d wager more than half of voters don’t even know about his idiotic comment.

    Agreed, only thing is, yes the ‘popular’ media is much less concentrated but the public media is dominated by one, monolithic, ubiquitous, incredibly biased, left wing propaganda machine. The only reason dumbo got asked this question and gave this response in the first place, and it actually got broadcast, is that a commercial outlet asked it, and his minders didn’t get given a list of questions beforehand to be vetted, or for the Marxist editorial staff to strike it out a la Q&A.
    Now if a right-of-centre polly had a made similar gaff on any subject it would lead all news bulletins on Pravda for several days until the next opportunity to make a mountain out of a right leaning mole hill arose, and if one didn’t come up they are pretty good at manufacturing something.
    You won’t hear much, if anything, about this on the Pravda so it will not become dopey’s “birthday cake moment” nor will anything else regardless of what the blank eyed m0 r0n says.

  192. areff

    Thanks, RobK. I know I wouldn’t want to be going down a steep High Country 4WD track in an electric SUV.

    Long ago, owned a Suzuki LJ50, the two-stroke, which of course meant you had to avoid engine breaking whenever possible. I reckon an electric 4WD would be a similarly daunting experience.

  193. Pedro the Ignorant

    Love my WAFL.

    Perth Demons supporter for years.

    I like to mention that to show that I am stalwart proud and unbending even after 14 wooden spoons and the last premiership flag won in 1977.

  194. MatrixTransform

    “Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for psychopaths. When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed— they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory statements and a thoroughly confused listener.

    Psychopaths have a grandiose self-structure which demands a scornful and detached devaluation of others, in order to ward off their envy toward the good perceived in other people.”

    Robert D. Hare, Without Conscience

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    RAAF pilots to consider duties of women before bombing infrastructure in war zones

    Excuse me, you can’t bomb Berlin, German women might just be so dreadfully inconvenienced…

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coalition in striking distance of Labor

    EXCLUSIVE
    Simon Benson
    National Affairs Editor
    25 minutes ago April 7, 2019
    Comments

    The Coalition has moved to within striking distance of Labor with a surge in support following last week’s budget and its promise of $302 billion in personal income tax cuts.

    An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows a significant four point turnaround for the Coalition as Scott Morrison prepares to call an election as early as this coming weekend.

    With the budget forming the platform for the Coalition’s election campaign, it is now in competitive territory trailing 48/52 on a two party preferred split, having been behind 46/54 a month ago when the last poll was conducted.

    The Coalition’s primary vote has risen two points to 38, while Labor has slumped two points to 37.

    It is the best result for the Coalition since Scott Morrison took over the Liberal leadership in August last year.

    Mr Morrison has also widened the gap between himself and Bill Shorten in terms of who the public sees as the better prime minister.

    Mr Morrison’s personal approval has jumped three points to 46, while Mr Shorten has dipped one point to 35, with the 11 point gap between the pair the largest since last year.

    It comes as voters rank Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s budget as the best in a decade and the most likely to deliver cost of living relief and an improvement to their personal financial circumstances since the Howard Government’s cash splash on pensioners and families in 2007.

    Mr Shorten has been on the back foot this past week over his plans to get 50 per cent of Australians out of petrol and diesel-fuelled cars and into electric vehicles by 2030.

    From the Oz.

  197. Overburdened

    It’s tribal Pedro.

    I’m with you.

    Gotta stick wth them.

  198. DrBeauGan

    RAAF pilots are being told to employ a “gender perspective” on bombing operations, in a doctrine which uses a hypothetical case looking at how destroying a bridge being used by enemy troops would force local women to walk further to fetch firewood and water.

    The example is included in a “Gender in Air Operations” doctrine note that is ordering all RAAF personnel to consider their actions through such a viewpoint, which would take into account “gendered social roles’.

    How on earth did the brownie points hunting idiot who put this up ever get into a position of authority in the RAAF? There has to be something rotten at the very top.

  199. Hay Stockard

    How does an inner city woke charge up their electric car if the don’t have off street parking.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How does an inner city woke charge up their electric car if the don’t have off street parking.

    Hit the nail fair on the head there….

  201. RobK

    How does an inner city woke charge up their electric car if the don’t have off street parking.
    There are still some minor details requiring attention.

  202. RAAF pilots are being told to employ a “gender perspective” on bombing operations, in a doctrine which uses a hypothetical case looking at how destroying a bridge being used by enemy troops would force local women to walk further to fetch firewood and water.

    I am of the view that we should employ armed drones (RQ 180 for example) with a small nuclear arms stockpile (BGM 109s, W88s, W84s and B61s) given we are a small nation and the cost of manned MRCA is now qute frankly, ridiculous.

    I’m not sure if being nuked affects all 2832 gender perspectives or makes them all irrelevant.

    Maybe we should ask Japan how they feel about China being expansionist.

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    Hay,

    Outstanding point, and a question that really should be asked of our wannabe PM.

    If he replies, ‘eight minutes’, all is not lost.

  204. Hay Stockard

    Dr Beau Gan.
    Of course there is something rotten in Defence nowadays. A,fish rots from the head down.
    Now when you have a minute can you cast your mind to the viscosity, or lack there of, of Bonox these days.
    I mentioned it earlier and all I’ve seen is electric cars, Aussie rules Football and the rites of the Catholic Church.
    Some people just get bogged down with trivia.

  205. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Maybe we should ask Japan how they feel about Chine being expansionist’

    Another gem, the second in ten minutes.

    I reckon the sons of Nippon, this time around would prefer to slam armed drone swarms into every major dam and levee in China, then asking the country’s survivors if they still want to dance. And to hell with the UN, and for that matter the gender harming whatever concept that lunatic RAAF ‘officer’ came up with while off his tits on amyl nitrite.

  206. Cardimona

    Hay

    Bonox was gelid at room temperature in the tropics in 1984.

    The answer is Gorebull wormening.

  207. Hay Stockard

    Cardimona,
    Now why didn’t I think of that? My mind rests peacefully at ease now.

  208. Overburdened

    Hay Stockard
    You recruit the street people to work for Oz basic wage with penalty rates to pedal the bicycle all not for you.

    Energy and employment probs solved in one fell swoop.

  209. Knuckle Dragger

    I just Googled ‘bonox gelid temp’, hoping to have a smartarse answer for Hay.

    Top of the list was this fred. Images reveal 200 pictures of fans.

    I got nothing.

  210. Overburdened

    Trying to get the beat and picking patterns for Landslide Stevie Nicks and Sugar Maroon 5

    More reinforcement of my limitations however tenacity.

  211. jupes

    The doctrine’s foreword by Air Commodore Stephen Edgeley, the RAAF’s Director General Strategy and Planning, said embracing the “gender perspective” would enhance operational capability.

    It gave the example of what a pilot should think about before dropping any bombs.

    “If the military target is a bridge in a community that is being used as a main route by the enemy to transport weapons, this same bridge may also provide the only route for the local population to gather supplies such as water and firewood,” said the doctrine.

    “Although destroying this target may provide a military advantage against the enemy, the second order effect may mean that, due to the gendered social roles, women need to travel further afield, on unfamiliar and less secure, well-known or well-lit routes to gather water and firewood.

    That left the women vulnerable and at “an increased risk of sexual and gender based violence”.

    The moron’s example does not show how embracing the “gender perspective” enhances operational capability.

    It shows the exact opposite – a loss of operational focus.

  212. mh

    Fingers crossed we may get a hung parliament.

    I don’t want it well hung, either. I want it unwell hung.

  213. RobK

    Chinas swarm drones

    Non-state actors in West Asia have already demonstrated the efficacy of swarming attacks by off-the-shelf drones on conventional military targets. Denied high-technology weapons and equipment, these non-state actors may have had no choice but to improvise in this manner.  But what  happens if a major State actor takes a leaf out of their book, and develops relatively low-cost ruggedized drones that coordinate their activities using artificial intelligence (AI) in a bid to overwhelm enemy defences? Given that China seems to be adopting this approach, it would be worthwhile to examine the same a bit more closely.

     

    As Elsa Kania writes in ‘Swarms at War: Chinese Advances in Swarm Intelligence’, Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) believes that future warfare will be “unmanned, invisible, and silent” with ever higher degrees of “intelligentization”  in which unmanned systems will play a pivot role dramatically impacting the traditional operational models (PLA Daily, January 5, 2016).

     

    Chinese advances in swarming technology

    The potential of UAV swarms in offensive roles against a technologically superior opponent is well appreciated by the PLA and they envisage using drone swarms even against U.S. fighter jets or aircraft carriers (Science and Technology Daily, March 29; China News Network, November 2, 2016; China Military Online, December 31, 2016). Recent demonstrations and incidents do illustrate the advances made by China in this direction.

    I recall reading in Jane’s that China is right up there with autonomous swarm drones. Scarey stuff.

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It shows the exact opposite – a loss of operational focus.

    Fvcked if I know.
    What comes next – the machine gunner, with the responsibility for initiating an ambush, is supposed to shout a “health warning” before he fires? “Oi! How will your wives cope, when you’re all dead?”

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    So,…..

    Are we NOT going to cut enemy supply routes because local chicks also use it to get firewood to keep the enemy warm?

    Straight to Spotlight for you, Air Squadron Commodore or whoever the hell you are. Buy as many white sheets as you can and keep them ready.

    Bomber Harris, you ain’t.

  216. RobK

    It gave the example of what a pilot should think about before dropping any bombs.
    An effort to defray responsibility, pure and simple.

  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It shows the exact opposite – a loss of operational focus.

    President of the United States, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Hirohito of Japan.

    Please note that we shall drop one bomb on your country, on August 6th, and we regret that Japanese women may be inconvenienced as a result…

  218. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    RobK
    #2981758, posted on April 7, 2019 at 5:15 pm
    Kalgoorlie skimpies blame cashless society for drop in tips
    Perhaps her assests have devalued in the intervening years.

    Nope. No asset devaluation there. She’s had ’em pumped up, along with her lips. So not a drop in tits, as I read this at first. Might be something to do with the false blonde hair extension ringlets though. There does come a time when the little girl in a dirndl skirt act just does not suit a grown woman. And I say this as someone who does get away with a lot, even today. So I’m not just being mean.

    As for the tips, she should hand them a card with her dedicated bank account number (or something similar) in scannable form for their iPhone for a quick reward if they have no cash. Or get the bar to sell tokens with every beer ordered, that the girls can redeem for cash. Innovative thinking will win!

    ========

    Outsiders today was very pertinent in the intro on some poor old Grandma in 2030 taking her grandkids to the beach in her EV, which was costing her plenty. Point not often made, which they did here, is that frequent charging in small amounts makes batteries fail faster and they are expensive to regularly replace. Also my point about the freeway being blocked by cars that have run out of oomph. Then there is the charging station nonsense. And the incineration factor. The total home blackout at the end of a long flat day of chasing small amounts of charge in huge waiting lines was the perfect finale to the tale.

    The Liberals should have fun with all of that. They won’t of course.

  219. zyconoclast

    Immigrants send record $148 billion home, Latin America, China tops

    Legal and illegal immigrants in the United States send a record $148 billion home in 2017, with Latin America and China topping the list, according to new World Bank data.

    Mexico received the most, at $30 billion, followed by China at $16 billion and India at $11 billion.

    Immigrants sent a record amount of money home to sub-Saharan African countries in 2017

    Money sent by immigrants to their home countries in sub-Saharan Africa reached a record $41 billion in 2017. This represents a 10% jump in remittances from the previous year, the largest annual growth for any world region, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of World Bank data.

  220. Overburdened

    Thanks Lizb for reminding me to ask again,

    is it worth going to Kalgoorlie Y/N ?

    Improved questionnaire format.

  221. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    is it worth going to Kalgoorlie Y/N ?

    Go, for the sense of history, and for the sense that Kal is a rather loud and raucous town – it’s quite fun. Stay at the Broadwater Lodge, and have a look at the gold Museum, on Hannan Street, and the military Museum in Boulder. Drive out to the Superpit, and reflect that was the only positive contribution that Alan (spit) fvking (spit) Bond (spit) ever made to Western Australia. If you have the time, go and see gold being poured…

  222. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Are we NOT going to cut enemy supply routes because local chicks also use it to get firewood to keep the enemy warm?
    Straight to Spotlight for you, Air Squadron Commodore or whoever the hell you are. Buy as many white sheets as you can and keep them ready.

    More likely to purchase some scatter cushions to soften some of life’s other little blows. Some people, especially some women, are not at all suited to warfare and they should not be involved in it.

    The armed forces are there to kill in the line of morally agreed patriotic duty not to reflect on how difficult in many ways this may be for the relatives of those they attack. If you can’t focus on this primary purpose, defense and attack and operational intent to win in spite of casualties, then you are in the wrong job trying to lead, or even be in, the armed forces.

  223. zyconoclast

    Fingers crossed we may get a hung parliament.

    I don’t want it well hung, either. I want it unwell hung.

    You may have an argument with Jaquie Jaquie Lambie

  224. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tonight we watched a re-run of a Yes Minister, the Integrated Transport Supremo one, where Hacker has to meet up with the three top bureaucrats of rail, road and air cargo. They are so British, and so self-interested, and so womblish in their personal warbling about what they wanted, needed and wouldn’t put up with, that the meeting dissolved into agreeing that they disagree, with Sir Humphrey closing it rapidly on that splendid note of agreement. Reminded me so much of any of the recent shenanigans we’ve watched of British Parliamentarians unable to get it together sufficiently to just LEAVE.

    To say nothing of the released jailbird with her prison surveillance ankle bracelet who provided the casting vote against a No Deal Brexit, the one person’s illegitimate vote holding out against the wishes of the majority of the population of the Nation. Says everything you need to know about modern Britain. Am revising last night’s brief fantasy of the cottage in Cornwall or six months away from it all. I would go crazy over there, worse than here.

  225. Overburdened

    The poms will be pining for such a bureaucracy in the imminent future.

  226. BorisG

    No deal Brexit would cause massive disruptions. It’s madness. Whatever your preferred final arrangement is, you need to manage it.

    No responsible government would agree to it.

  227. Zatara

    The new minimum wage is killing NYC’s once-thriving restaurant scene

    New York City restaurants are eliminating jobs, reducing employee hours and raising prices due to the higher costs of the $15-per-hour minimum wage.

    Last year, “full-service restaurants recorded a 1.6 percent job loss, which is the first recorded annual loss in two decades,

    The survey also said about a third of respondents will eliminate jobs and most will raise prices this year because of the new $15-an-hour law backed by Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other state officials, which took effect on Dec. 31, 2018.

    A total of 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents reduced employee hours, and 36 percent eliminated jobs in 2018, the survey said.

    I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

  228. MatrixTransform

    Tony Heller spots a problem with the Northwest Passage?

    The man is a living legend

  229. Tom

    Johannes Leak #2 (with a Paywallian Media Diary item on the damage done to Channel 7 by David Koch’s unhinged rant against Pauline Hanson).

  230. Tom

    Oh God. The election’s coming so David Rowe unloads all the ghosts* in his head in one cartoon.

    *except for Trumpy and Mudrock.

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