Open Forum: April 6, 2019

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  1. struth

    There is no point arguing about the pros and cons of electric cars, because it ain’t gonna happen, anywhere.
    Not compulsory , forced usage, not in Europe, not in China, nowhere.

    The lesson to learn here is one regarding Australians, being alone in this big island in the southern hemisphere, being constantly told “everyone else is doing it” when indeed everyone else is not doing it, on so many issues, besides electric cars.
    Everyone else are not keeping their Kyoto or Paris agreements.
    Everyone else has not had their guns taken away.
    Everyone else do not have the myriad of invasive totalitarian regulations enforced upon them, and survive.
    Everyone else has not stopped building hundreds of coal powered power stations, or not using nuclear.

    etc etc.

    The vehicle manufacturers are being forced by green zealot governments throughout mostly just Europe, and not Asian car manufacturers, to try to go electric.
    They are not stopping production of ICE cars, and if forced to will move offshore from Europe as it kills itself.
    You’ll be able to by diesel for many years to come as everything around you , that did not naturally exist, there, and everything you consume, comes to you via , often, many truck trips.

    Like Solar panels and windmills, governments will subsidies the shit out of electric cars, but they will still, EVERYWHERE, be unable to be anything but tokenism.
    Our world depends on the ICE’s and for so, so ,so many reasons, without them, death and disease and the collapse of our first world living conditions follow.
    Only insulated inner city greens voters with no idea how the world works, could entertain such suicidal idiocy.

    The main point is, it’s not a done deal that electric cars are coming at all.
    Nowhere else are they anything but inner city tokenism or subsidised by other taxpayers for you to drive them.
    We don’t have to have electric cars, because the rest of the world are using them, (Europe is so much further advanced down this road than us) is purely, and technically, what is called “complete fucking bullshit”.

    When are we going to stop listening to the bullshit?
    Most cars in Europe will be Petrol cars for at least fifty or so years, as the technology has not yet been developed to replace them, without crashing your economies and ruining your civilisations, and causing death and misery reminiscent of pre industrial times.

    You get forced to go electric, you’ll be driving a horse and cart.

    Think of all the different situations from towing to the need to be able to turn a key anytime to take your loved ones to the hospital.
    Cities exist because of the country.
    Long distances, big utes and trucks, 4WD this and that, fishing, god knows, long term parking at Airports, cars and vehicles converging on small places for events, just think of the bigger world than the greens voter in North Adelaide going for a Latte in Melbourne street.
    That’s nothing in the scheme of things.

  2. Henry2

    Yeah Struth,
    I dunno if it was here or somewhere else that I saw a comment along the lines that in the early days of motoring in South Australia, the biggest and more powerful cars were sold in or to the West Coast.
    Really changed my mindset when I read that.
    Case of whar was needed rather than what could be afforded.

  3. How does an electric vehicle use engine breaking? (sic).
    It doesn’t.
    Lots of fun coming down the Mt Buller road in the snow, I bet.

    Absolute bullshit.
    All EVs (and most hybrids) use regenerative braking.
    This recharges the battery and it is possible to drive with very little use of the brakes in urban traffic.
    You’ve obviously never driven a hybrid or an EV.

    Your misspelling of “breaking” is apt.
    Electric motors have very few moving parts. An engine “breaking” is much more likely in an internal combustion engine. There are so many bits to break – valve gear, water pump, fuel system, etc.

  4. There is no point arguing about the pros and cons of electric cars, because it ain’t gonna happen, anywhere.
    Not compulsory , forced usage, not in Europe, not in China, nowhere.

    1.3 million EVs were sold in China in 2018 – https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/china-is-winning-the-electric-vehicle-race/

  5. struth

    I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be so deluded as to how the world works , to come out with this electric cars bullshit.
    It’s embarrassing.
    But again, where are the Liberals to smack this for a six?
    The heartache misery and unnecessary death that will surely follow if this is implemented, makes Fraser Anning”s comment a yawn, as indeed it was in comparison.
    Yet our parliament censures him and beat their chest, while threatening to remove ICE cars from our roads.
    Sco Mo, you like to use the term “if it only saves one life its worth it”
    What are you going to say to the mother who’s sick kid died because she couldn’t get him to the hospital because the car didn’t have enough charge?

    I despair for the insanity of all of this.

  6. struth

    Back in your box , SNIFFY,

    One, Electric car sales are booming in China because the Subsidy will run out by 2020.
    Two, like other places , the electric car sales have dropped to virtually zero once the subsidies were gone.
    Three, If you had any comprehension skills you would realise I said, FORCED usage.
    God, you’re a dick.

  7. What are you going to say to the mother who’s sick kid died because she couldn’t get him to the hospital because the car didn’t have enough charge?

    What are you going to say to the mother who’s sick kid died because she couldn’t get him to the hospital because the car didn’t have enough petrol?

  8. From Forbes –

    Meanwhile, China’s auto market has become one of the most profitable in the world for local and international assemblers alike, and this fact has not been lost on Beijing. Therefore, in September of last year, China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, which oversees the auto industry, announced a rule change that effectively transfers the burden of subsidizing the development of China’s EV industry from the government to the auto companies.

    Whether you beleive it or not, EVs are the future in China, mainly because many Chinese cities will choke to death from the pollution created by ICEs at the current rate of growth of their auto industry.

  9. struth

    And If I were a Chicom and knew my communist mates in the EU and the UN were going to force electric cars on their populations, I’d be busy building them, and 2020 is just enough subsidy time to get them over the line .
    Every unnecessary coal powered car from China sold here, is done via complete corruption of the car industry by global socialists and our government (but I repeat myself).

    These cars are inefficient compared to ICE cars and if taxation was taken from fuel we’d laugh at them.
    This is complete government control of a market giving us unnecessary, completely inefficient and (if left to the actual market without government interference), completely uncompetitive.
    They are an inferior product.
    Take the tax from fuel and don’t subsidies electric cars, and you’d never see one on the road.

  10. struth

    What are you going to say to the mother who’s sick kid died because she couldn’t get him to the hospital because the car didn’t have enough petrol?

    The car comes home from a trip unfuelled and she only has herself to blame.

    But if she has to charge it before she can make another trip, and she has to wait for the car to charge, then that death is on Shorten’s hands.

  11. stackja

    Chicoms EV advocate up early.

  12. struth

    Yeah, gullible twat that it is.

    Subsidies and still no more than 5 % of the Chinese Market.
    Wait till the subsidies stop.
    Then they’ll try to sell them to us stupid bastards.

  13. struth

    In country towns, academic types with no understanding of their surroundings do exist.
    Mostly relocated public servants like SNIFFY.
    Totally ignorant of how the world works, and SNIFFY also has a problem with comprehension.

    Hence the moronic inability to sort the propaganda regarding EV’s from the facts.

  14. MatrixTransform

    How does Chine power all those EVs I wonder?

  15. RobK

    a rule change that effectively transfers the burden of subsidizing the development of China’s EV industry from the government to the auto companies.
    China has a most regulated market in any case. Leveraging EV sales off ICE sales will suppress the price but vaporize the profit. Congested cities are good for bicycles and EVs. China has a lot of bicycles. Electric bicycles and tricycles will boom before the EV. Hybrids will have a place as subsidies harvesters. Hybrids are actually more complex than plain ICEs but have good range. For the moment (and likely for a while) batteries do not have the energy density of hydrocarbons, so they will either lack range or carry excessive weight. Rules forcing companies to reduce average fuel consumption will favour hybrids. It will also bring peculiar arrangements like:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-tesla-eu/fiat-chrysler-to-pay-tesla-hundreds-of-millions-of-euros-to-pool-fleet-idUSKCN1RJ03I

    APRIL 7, 2019 / 1:19 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

    Fiat Chrysler to pay Tesla hundreds of millions of euros to pool fleet

    2 MIN READ

    (Reuters) – Italian-U.S. carmaker Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV (FCA) has agreed to pay electric carmaker Tesla Inc hundreds of millions of euros to allow Tesla vehicles to be counted in its fleet to avoid fines for violating new European Union emission rules.

  16. bespoke

    How does Chine power all those EVs I wonder?

    Bingo!!! Matrix Wins the meat tray.

  17. (but I repeat myself).

    A glimmer of self awareness begins to emerge…..

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    1.3 million EVs were sold in China in 2018

    LOL. Numbers is citing a totalitarian nation as a model.

    We do not have the pollution problem here that they do.
    We have long distances to travel.
    We really really don’t like cars that are worth zero trade in value after 7 years, which is what happened to some friends of mine whose Prius had its battery go tits up. They got $200 for it and bought a Hyundai.

  19. 2dogs

    – Burning fossil fuels to charge an electric car results in more CO2 emissions than having the car burn fossil fuels directly.
    – Putting a lithium battery in a car, so that it can be charged from solar, results in more CO2 emissions than if that same battery was permanently connected to the grid, reducing the need for fossil fuels to address the duck curve, and a fossil fuel car was used instead.

  20. 2dogs

    However, electric cars would definitely save emissions if the main grid was nuclear.

  21. RobK

    – Burning fossil fuels to charge an electric car results in more CO2 emissions than having the car burn fossil fuels directly.
    But it does get the exhaust fumes out of the city. We used to have electric trams in cities to minimize horse poo in the street.

  22. 2dogs

    But it does get the exhaust fumes out of the city.

    Is that the reason for this policy? Because it was trumpeted as a response to climate change.

  23. bespoke

    Electric motors have very few moving parts

    They are one big moving part.

  24. RobK

    Is that the reason for this policy? 
    In China its a big deal.

  25. John Constantine

    Big Australia of twenty millions in Sydney cannot allow all proles to own cars, park cars, drive cars and charge car batteries.

    Rationing of car use, road use, parking spaces and electricity access is all part of mass importation of revolutionary military age freedom fighters to vote for socialism.

    Cars and meat and guns and sugar and alcohol and Freedom are all too good for the proles.

    Comrades.

  26. 2dogs

    In China its a big deal.

    Fair enough, RobK, but I believe we were discussing the ALP’s proposed policy. And they said it was about climate change.

  27. RobK

    Electric motors have very few moving parts
    But a lot of high power electronics.

  28. RobK

    but I believe we were discussing the ALP’s proposed policy.
    China was numbers’ example of how we should do things.

  29. 2dogs

    Australia does not have China’s air pollution problems.

  30. MatrixTransform

    poor old Numpty lives in a world that is either lost past or future hopium.

    Typical school teacher tut-tutting everybody because their skirt is too short or their hair too long.

    The only thing Numbers can’t manage to stack up is…numbers

    I recall doing a beer-coaster calculation for flow batteries to hold up the Vic grid for an hour.
    Came up with something like 67000 x 1 million dollar batteries.
    I suppose we need to double or triple that to cope with Numpty’s EVs
    better double up the transmission network as well since there’s no such future hopium as 5G for electricity

    Who pays?

    does Australia sell coal, gas, or uranium to other countries?

    We should charge more

  31. John Constantine

    Once Australia has mass imported twenty million voters to live crush packed into chicom billionaire property Landsharks dogbox Ponzi developments, and the Ponzi collapses, they will not vote for freedom cars, they will vote to bail out the Ponxi.

    This is the point of importing a replacement culture for Australia.

    Dispose of the dissenting car driving meat eaters and replace them with proles conditioned to crush loaded public transport and ten square meter dogbox apartment developments and meat free rations and electricity blackouts and social credit ratings.

    Proles conditioned to being ruled by billionaire kleptocrats and oligarchy and paramilitary Death squads.

    Poor Fella My Country.

    Comrades.

  32. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘Freedom cars’, John C. Love it.

  33. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Electric motors have very few moving parts
    But a lot of high power electronics.

    At this stage, I have one word for you: batteries.

  34. mh

    Twisted:

    Sunday on MSNBC’s “AM Joy,” 2018 Georgia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams said the Georgia “fetal heartbeat” bill that would ban abortion as soon as a doctor can detect a fetal heartbeat was “evil.”

    Breitbart

  35. John Constantine

    Australia’s rural areas do not have air pollution problems.

    Australia’s quisling compliance class elites have signed up to unswerving compliance with European Union urban inner city air pollution standards despite there being no problem.

    Rural machinery driving in vast unpopulated paddocks in an Australian summer have to run red hot to reburn their exhaust to meet the requirements to drive on the crush loaded streets of Paris.

    Their transnational Stalinist hellhole socialism Tyrants want puny meat starved proles disarmed and restricted to foot travel.

    Only when the proles are completely crushed can the elites be safe.

    A few cars and trucks used as terror weapons is all the excuse our elites will need to ban cars, when the time is right.

    Comrades.

  36. RobK

    Australia does not have China’s air pollution problems.
    And electric cars wont change our worlds climate.

  37. stackja

    Paroled double murderer Damien Anthony Peters on the run in Sydney after removing tracking device
    Stuart McLean, The Daily Telegraph
    April 8, 2019 12:33am
    Subscriber only
    A paroled murderer who pleaded guilty to killing and dismembering two of his lovers was on the run in inner Sydney last night after police discovered he had taken off his electronic tracking device.

    Police were last night desperately trying to locate the whereabouts of Damien Anthony Peters, 50, who was last seen about 4.15pm at the Prince of Wales Hospital, Randwick.

    About 8.30pm the monitoring anklet which Peters had been wearing was found in Kensington.

    The device had been forcibly removed.

  38. John Constantine

    Their jacindamania intuitively felt the time was right to impose unvoted for gun bans upon New Zealand.

    Watch fundamental transformation of car rights in Australia follow the next car terror incidents.

    Comrades.

  39. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Rationing of car use, road use, parking spaces and electricity access

    Yes, Libs, why not tell it as it will be under Shorten? Pushed into explosive electric vehicles by rationing, as above. And other ‘rationing’ too, by price, hugely on electricity (e-cars entailing further selective blackouts), and also price rationing on meat, sugar, alcohol and tob… no, they’ve already done it on tobacco and that is hurting so many low-income people already. Look, the ads just write themselves. Here’s the tag line: ‘get ready for rationing under Shorten’.

    First they came for the smokes. 🙂

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Australia’s quisling compliance class elites have signed up to unswerving compliance with European Union urban inner city air pollution standards despite there being no problem.

    American cars from Trump’s America are the future if we didn’t have the stupid green Lab/Libs.

    A nice big Chevvy. Drove some in the US on trips. Good cars.
    Cadillacs are good too and some great deals are available on hire cars for these.
    Live it up while you can, I say. Europe is a different place. Ignore it.

  41. RobK

    First they came for the smokes. 
    Then they came for the bacon.

  42. calli

    John at 6:40.

    That’s exactly where it’s headed. The only question is whether it’s intentional.

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The lesson to learn here is one regarding Australians, being alone in this big island in the southern hemisphere, being constantly told “everyone else is doing it” when indeed everyone else is not doing it, on so many issues, besides electric cars.
    Everyone else are not keeping their Kyoto or Paris agreements.
    Everyone else has not had their guns taken away.
    Everyone else do not have the myriad of invasive totalitarian regulations enforced upon them, and survive.
    Everyone else has not stopped building hundreds of coal powered power stations, or not using nuclear.

    Worth repeating, Struth.
    We are suffering here from a new version of the well-known Australian cultural cringe.

  44. Dr Faustus

    1.3 million EVs were sold in China in 2018

    Gives you a nice insight into the integrity of the ALP EV policy.

    China – with a population of 1.3 billion, huge cities with government-supplied charging infrastructure, with a full cycle EV manufacturing industry selling basic EV’s at $25,000, with Government subsidies up to 40% of the cost price of the vehicle – manages to knock out a whopping 1.05 million EV’s yearly under panic buying conditions.

    Shorten’s Australia (population 25 million) is apparently going to show Emperor Xi how to manage things properly and sell 550,000 EV’s yearly.

    Form an orderly queue, citizens.

  45. Notafan

    Getting two more two story dog boxes next door.

    House bought by Chinese investors a couple of years ago, Chinese tenants moved out last week.

    Council gave permission for single car park for each unit.

    No doubt they’ll end up defacto boarding houses (like the one on the other side)and our tiny street which has now become part of the railway station carpark will be even more congested.

    Yeah for that.

  46. calli

    Miah believes the UK has a responsibility to bring back and rehabilitate citizens

    Why? You didn’t like the place. You left to give comfort to terrorists.

    Tough luck chum.

  47. Mark A

    calli
    #2982110, posted on April 8, 2019 at 7:20 am

    John at 6:40.

    That’s exactly where it’s headed. The only question is whether it’s intentional.

    The first part, (filling our cities) is certainly intentional, the second, banning everything, is a natural consequence.

  48. Twostix

    Greens have spent 30 years loudly telling us the “car culture” (freedom for the everyman to go where and when he pleases) needs to be banned.

    This electric car thing is that.

  49. bespoke

    Lower income earners (sensible one that don’t put them selves into dept) that buy 7-13 year old cars will have to buy EV’s and Hybrid’s that are at the ed there battery life cycle.

  50. calli

    Miah’s “plight” is a nice illustration of the Useful Idiot, albeit in another setting.

    Like the gadarene rush towards socialism, the manbuns, the tattwomen and the raddled old disaffected boomers think they will be part of the victorious elite.

    Too late will they learn that the bounty they seek is reserved only for a narrow few. There will be a dribble of token sweeteners to keep them in line, but nothing like what they desire. The only unknown – will their disappointed anger turn upon their new masters, or on those biting back the inevitable “I told you so”.

  51. Notafan

    Miah has somehow lost his teenage wife and two children (he is 40).

    The article suggests that loyal jihadis get their pick of young girls.

    Another article says the UK has new legislation, up to ten years for staying more than a month, saving having to find evidence of war crimes.
    Can be used against anyone.

  52. Farmer Gez

    Picking up the EV and charging for country folks theme.
    Has anyone done the numbers on charge time with single phase power?
    Our power lines never get the full 240v at any rate, so it’s often hard to drive a welder let alone have an EV almost permanently pluggged in as well.

  53. Twostix

    They mean to imprison you in your rotten racist little suburbia, then turn out the lights.

    These people aren’t playing games.

  54. calli

    How do you do it, bespoke? I’m so uptight about accidental typos, let alone deliberate ones.

    Grigory M must have conditioned me.

    Have t stop trieing.

  55. Notafan

    Shorten is speaking let them eat cake.

  56. John Constantine

    Free range cars or Battery cars?.

    We know how the Tyranny wants Australia to live.

    Comrades.

  57. Notafan

    I’ve read that China is responsible for a large part of ocean garbage too.

    What is it about communism that has allowed such a high level of pollution to develop?

    The same regime which fed babies melamime in baby milk.

    It seems that profit is the only thing that matters in communist countries.

    Chinese pollution

  58. calli

    However, according to Hans Dieter Pötsch Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Volkswagen AG, in the case of small, entry-level cars, all-electric versions are expected to remain more expensive than gasoline versions.

    Shorter Pötsch:

    You want them, you gimme munni.

  59. Notafan

    Do the gippy goat cafe vegans drive EVs?

    Does Julian Burnside

    Richard dinatale of the Otway ranges.

    Bill shorten even?

  60. stackja

    struth
    #2982067, posted on April 8, 2019 at 4:58 am

    As long as people keep voting for the ALP, any silly project will be proposed, and started. NBN, BER, etc etc.

  61. Notafan

    They cost more to manufacture, they cost more to the consumer.

    Pretty simple stuff.

    Shorten needs to start telling the plebs how they can afford cake.

    Like Macron did in France.

  62. calli

    From nota’s Wiki link:

    A ban came into effect on 15 June 2008 that prohibited all supermarkets, department stores and shops throughout China from giving out free plastic bags, therefore encouraging people to use cloth bags.

    New to me.

    Everything I bought in China came in its own one-use plastic bag.

    As usual, they virtue signal for the dopey West and merrily proceed on their way.

    Who are the fools here?

  63. calli

    Heh.

    Now I’m doing formatting typos.

  64. bespoke

    No worry’s calli, I’m happy to get friendly digs to try harder. I also like the condescending cheep shots, it means they they have lost the discussion.

  65. Notafan

    Liberals and everyone else have a great thing to flog Labor with in the outer burbs

    Comparing car prices, letting everyone know they’ll get a teeny tiny car and like it. Spend a lot of time recharging and how much that will add to their electricity bill and how much it will demand from the already not coping grid.

    They can forget about air conditioning in the car or in the house too.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    He’s fun!

    Obama shatters previous record, mentions himself 467 times in one speech in Berlin (7 Apr)

    Our friends at Grabien have produced a video compilation – almost five minutes of rampant egotism if you can stand it – and offer a count of the personal pronouns employed:

    Here’s the breakdown of his personal pronoun use (based on a rush transcript of the event):
    “I” — 312
    “Me” — 33
    “My” — 43
    “I’d” — 9
    “I’m” — 61
    “Myself” — 9

  67. calli

    A snapshot of manbuns, tattswymmins, and raddled boomers outside Flinders Street station protesting. Vegans to a halfwit.

    Trams stopped in CBD.

    The Gargoyle would have fixed them.

  68. Mark A

    bespoke
    #2982139, posted on April 8, 2019 at 7:56 am

    No worry’s calli, I’m happy to get friendly digs to try harder. I also like the condescending cheep shots, it means they they have lost the discussion.

    morning bespoke.

  69. calli

    I’m starting to be of the opinion that veganism is a mask for underlying eating disorders and bad relationships with food. Also that wymminses outnumber males ten to one.

    I wonder how many of the protesters (particularly the younger ones) have a history of self-harm as well.

    They resemble fleas looking for a dog.

  70. calli

    I wonder if that delectable trollypop will be snatched up. 😀

  71. bespoke

    err good morning Mark A.

  72. Farmer Gez

    Vegan protestors are mostly ladies.
    So well fed by farmers that they think food is a social construct.
    I doubt you’ll find any African or Middle East migrants in the protest.

  73. C.L.

    Joe Biden: lying creep.
    At National Review, via Instapundit: The Most Disturbing Thing about Joe Biden.

    In the #MeTooMaybe hoopla over the former vice president’s hair-sniffing and hand-slipping and personal space-invading, much cataloguing of Joe Biden’s peccadillos has emerged — for example, in Jonah Goldberg’s new column. It’s a handy summary.

    But missed in these lists is a deeply troubling — I guess the right word is “lie.” It is one that Biden contrived — or at least perpetuated — over a deeply painful event: the death of his first wife and daughter. The lie hides in plain sight, amongst all the other oddball anecdotes (like his vowing to use his rosary beads as a choking device), maybe because it is so amazingly brazen, and because of its complete lack of being — here, I guess the right word might be “unnecessary.”

    The sad story is 29-year-old senator-elect Biden received the horrible call in December, 1972, that there was an accident in which his wife Neilia and baby daughter Naomi were killed, and his young sons Beau and Hunter severely hurt. Mrs. Biden seems to have driven into a busy intersection, into the path of an oncoming truck. Its driver was Curtis Dunn. Investigators found him blameless. Of no surprise, according to his family, his involvement in the deaths of Mrs. Biden and her daughter weighed on Dunn until his own death in 1999.

    Got that? Officially, it was Mrs Biden’s fault.

    As for Joe Biden, the tragedy was so utter that the accident’s circumstances were best left unremarked. Never mind unembellished.

    But embellished they became. When exactly, we don’t know. Why? That’s a question the answer to which is unfathomable — or if for political purposes, utterly deplorable. For some reason, the evidence shows, in the early 2000s, Joe Biden began to remark in public that his wife had died at the hands of someone who “allegedly . . . drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch.” That Curtis Dunn “was an errant driver who stopped to drink.” That drunk-driver story spread into news accounts. The Dunn family, who had strong sympathy for Biden, was shocked by the sullying of their now-dead father. They wrote the senator and asked him to stop and reminded him of the exonerating investigation. When that didn’t happen, they went public. Per a 2010 Biden profile in The Atlantic:

    For many years, he described the driver of the truck that struck and killed his first wife and their daughter in December 1972 as drunk, which he apparently was not. The tale could hardly be more tragic; why add in a baseless charge? The family of the truck driver has labored to correct the record, but Biden made the reference to drunkenness as recently as 2007, needlessly resurrecting a false and painful accusation.

    This is truly disturbing. But by our current standards, hair-sniffing rates condemnation, while the false accusation of an innocent dead man, and the embellishment of a personal tragedy — could the Biden tragedy be more tragic? — are forgotten and/or ignored.

    This says so much more about Biden the man than any too-close shoulder grasp ever could. It also says plenty about the contrition junkies who influence America’s news cycle, and, as Jim Geraghty pointed out recently, about the media who for many years had dutifully served as Joe Biden’s reputational bodyguard.

  74. areff

    I’m sorry, Sir, for misspelling “breaking”. It was late, the dog ate my dictionary and I was still trying to read the literature text you assigned, “Gender Fluidity and Camp Kitchens: Battling the Cong and Sausage Dysfunction in the Elephant Grass”.

    Will try harder, Sir, especially in studying your next assigned text, “Teaching, the Career for Those too Stupid to be Social Workers”

  75. cohenite

    Ben Garrison today; he captures the cortez donkey perfectly.

    And this:

    MatrixTransform

    #2982052, posted on April 8, 2019 at 3:53 am

    Tony Heller spots a problem with the Northwest Passage?

    The man is a living legend

    One of the best examples why the official temp records are bullshit. The NW passage was open at the beginning of the 20thC when temps were lower than they are now when the NW passage is closed. Based on the NASAGiss temp record.

  76. Dr Faustus

    The EV debate on here is moot: arguably EV’s have a niche role in an urban environment, and who is to say whether battery development over the next decade won’t deliver an EV that is reasonably practical/economical in a broader Australian context. May happen.

    What is beyond debate is that Awfentic Bill Shorten is quite happy to stand up and spout complete and obvious bullshit about the here and now (fully backed up by the snorking machine-persons standing behind him) if he thinks it will haul in a few low-info votes.

    The deformed little creature has extensive form in this context. Anyone thinking that this is an isolated case and won’t apply elsewhere in Labor’s “well considered policy platform” should not be out and about without an appropriate adult guardian.

    The fuckers are laarfing at us.

    The other fuckers are doing nothing about it.

  77. Percy Popinjay

    Like the gadarene rush towards socialism, the manbuns, the tattwomen and the raddled old disaffected boomers think they will be part of the victorious elite.

    Too late will they learn that the bounty they seek is reserved only for a narrow few.

    Yep, they have no idea what’s in store for them. However, many years spent rotting in a labour/reeducation/concentration camp will allow them sufficient time to ponder their stupidity.

    By then of course, it will be too late.

  78. cohenite

    The EV discussion is besides the point; it is predicated entirely on the assumption that alarmism is real and measures like EVs and renewables will abate it. Neither is true. Creatures like the troll will continue to vomit their rubbish because for them this is existential and gives their petty, horrible lives meaning.

    Damn, what a recidivist I am. After the religion of pieces gerfuffle I made a vow to just post objective items free of comment. Lapsed already.

  79. Percy Popinjay

    Parasite, meet road louse:

    One of the nation’s most senior public servants, Home Affairs department secretary Michael Pezzullo — who is responsible for the Australian Federal Police — is disputing claims he sideswiped a cyclist and broke his collarbone.

    Cyclist Jason Sievers claimed he was knocked from his bike at about 6.25am on December 19 when a car, a black BMW X6 being driven by Mr Pezzullo, crossed in front of him on Walpole Crescent, 600m from Parliament House in Canberra.

    Late last week, Mr Sievers was devastated when advised by his lawyer that because Mr Pezzullo was disputing what had happened, his insurance claim was now on hold and he could be left thousands of dollars out of pocket.

    From the Oz. I have zero sympathy for either of them.

  80. stackja

    2GB listeners saying BS talking BS on cancer treatment.

  81. Shy Ted

    Went to a vintage car rally yesterday, hundreds of beautiful and some awful designs just driving along main street. You’d have to say the 50s and 60s American designs won by a mile in the beauty stakes but the model Ts and As and their spinoffs warmed the heart on a very chilly day. Reconditioned VW combies with hippies, early trucks, family boxes that you suddenly remembered Dad had when you were 4, twas a true spectacle. Amongst the beauties were a few modern supercars – Ferraris, Porsches, Jags and they were just so dull in comparison. Parked along the main street were Joe Averages 21st century cars and it was so sad, you could barely tell one from the other. I was sad that I was just a bit too young to have enjoyed the era of beautiful cars but I do remember when a car was just a car with no mod cons and terrible reliability and therein lies the understanding of a “soul”. My personal cars with “soul” were 2 Citroen Dyanes and 1 Willys Jeep. Both utterly terrible vehicles but unbeatable fun factor. Kids will never know what this was.

  82. calli

    In the interests of grammatical correctitude:

    “In the gadarene rush towards socialism”.

    Standards must be maintained.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6896079/Monster-murdered-newborn-daughter-demands-compensation-wasnt-allowed-toaster.html

    Laughing boy was awarded compensation because he wasn’t fed halal food, in the jug, he now wants compensation because he didn’t have his own personal grill, and was forced to use a grill that other prisoners had cooked bacon on. Words fail me, they honestly do.

  84. calli

    Cohenite, welcome to the “No Self-Control Club”.

    Or, as Dear Lars would say,

    “I would rather die than Shut Up”

  85. stackja

    Vegans

    Here are 11 foods and food groups that should be part of a healthy vegan diet.
    Legumes. …
    Nuts, Nut Butters and Seeds. …
    Hemp, Flax and Chia Seeds. …
    Tofu and Other Minimally Processed Meat Substitutes. …
    Calcium-Fortified Plant Milks and Yogurts. …
    Seaweed. …
    Nutritional Yeast. …
    Sprouted and Fermented Plant Foods.

    And the vegies suffer in silence.

  86. quite happy to stand up and spout complete and obvious bullshit about the here and now

    He’s not alone.
    Remember Dutton (February 9, 2019) –

    “The people smugglers could rightly advise their clients that if they were sent at a future time to a regional processing location, they would only need to stay long enough to seek the recommendations of ‘treating doctors’ for transfer to Australia”.

    How many have arrived?
    Is it 1 or 0?

  87. Words fail me, they honestly do.

    Best thing I’ve read here for a while.
    Take it to its logical conclusion.
    You’d be doing yourself (and everybody else) a service.

  88. calli

    It nearly killed my daughter, Stacks. Her doctor read her the riot act when the hormones and blood tests came back.

    She’s now carnivorous again thank goodness. Not quite enough red meat for a young woman, but it’s taken her off the danger list.

    Bloody idiots.

  89. Boambee John

    Miah believes the UK has a responsibility to bring back and rehabilitate citizens

    Lord Haw Haw (William Joyce) was brought back and “rehabilitated”. Perhaps the same process might be appropriate.

  90. As long as people keep voting for the ALP, any silly project will be proposed, and started. NBN, BER, etc etc.

    Both great projects.
    The BER meant that every school along the Warrego Highway (and everywhere else in the country where principals and school communities had the sense to request it) has a wheelchair accessible toilet. I made sure that all the schools I was responsible for followed this advice. This means that for as long as these buildings last (decades) families won’t have to move to the coast so their kids with disabilities can go to school.
    We’ve been using the NBN (under the fibre to the home configuration signed off before the Coalition cheapened the design) for a couple of years now, and it’s fast and so far, 100% reliable.

  91. “The people smugglers could rightly advise their clients that if they were sent at a future time to a regional processing location, they would only need to stay long enough to seek the recommendations of ‘treating doctors’ for transfer to Australia”.

    How many have arrived?
    Is it 1 or 0?

    That is due to the government of Nauru not allowing medical transfer to Australia without the consent of Nauru government appointed doctors.

    It doesn’t matter what any pair of Quisling medicos in Australia think, they don’t get a say unless the Nauru government allows them to.

    Spot the problem for the 5th columnists?

  92. cohenite

    The troll is full of crap this morning.

  93. Cardimona

    Tim Wilson on Sky just now looks to have two black eyes.
    Does he always look like that?
    Or did his boyfriend have to tell him twice?

    “Vegans shouldn’t illegally block intersections>”
    “Vegans shouldn’t trespass.”

    No, fvckwit. “Must not”, not “shouldn’t”.
    Geezuz, another law-is-optional leftard in the Libtards.

    “I might buy a ‘electric car…
    “Everything is awesome!”

    Leftard Libtard channels The Lego Movie.
    Faaaark!

  94. twostix

    Optus is now offering 500GB 4g home broadband plans for $80 a month.

    The NBN, like ISDN, will be simply another obsolete network that was out of date before it was finished.

  95. OldOzzie

    Too Good to be left on

    Government to be subsidising Porsches
    Posted on 2:29 pm, April 7, 2019 by Sinclair Davidson

    NuThink
    #2982150, posted on April 8, 2019 at 8:17 am

    Good News! Mercedes AA Class solves the battery problem.

    That was Fabulous – just 9,648 AA Batteries Power It

    I like Mercedes Response

    We loved the Mercedes-Benz AA spot. It’s worth noting that it comes with a complimentary recharging station.

  96. twostix

    Old people thought nailing cables to phone poles was the future of the internet. This idea was sold to them by IT goons who wanted everyone else to pay for gigabit fibre to their home PC’s so they could stream 4k tentacle porn.

    So embarrasment.

  97. OldOzzie

    Percy Popinjay
    #2982161, posted on April 8, 2019 at 8:42 am

    Leak Jr does it again.

    Thanks for that – have sent to our area Liberal MP’s saying to use with The Australian Terry McCrann Business Columnist Article

    Vote Shorten and Bowen for the end of the world

    Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen have made it official and fully public: Labor has a two-stage strategy to destroy Australia.

  98. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom has to be today

    Tom
    #2982055, posted on April 8, 2019 at 4:22 am

    Johannes Leak #1.

  99. Des Deskperson

    ‘From the Oz. I have zero sympathy for either of them.’

    Indeed; Pezzullo verses a cyclist from leafy, inner city Turner. It’s notable, however, the the cyclist was rested for alcohol and drugs while Pezzullo – whose portfolio responsibilities include the includes the AFP – wasn’t.

    It’s also interesting that Pezzullo was driving a BMW X6 – price $104,390 up. Since it was a weekday morning, it’s reasonable to assume he was driving it to work, so it’s his private plated executive vehicle that is part of his salary package and therefore at least partly funded by the taxpayer.

    Back in my day, even Portfolio Secretaries were only entitled to a Holden or Ford sedan, albeit top of the range. Is the Beemer a new entitlement, or has Pezzullo kicked in for some of it himself, as they used to be able to do?

  100. Mark A

    twostix
    #2982184, posted on April 8, 2019 at 9:20 am

    Optus is now offering 500GB 4g home broadband plans for $80 a month.

    The NBN, like ISDN, will be simply another obsolete network that was out of date before it was finished.

    If it had been such a good idea, the private sector would’ve built it.

  101. Woolfe

    Twostix,
    We have just got Pentanet fixed wireless in Perth, am getting 55 Mbs down and and 10 up, for less $ than iiNet adsl 2 where I was getting 3 down and .6 up

    NBN? LOL!

  102. The troll is full of crap this morning.

    So what’s new?
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha is always full of crap.

  103. OldOzzie

    John Constantine
    #2982103, posted on April 8, 2019 at 7:02 am

    Australia’s rural areas do not have air pollution problems.

    Australia’s quisling compliance class elites have signed up to unswerving compliance with European Union urban inner city air pollution standards despite there being no problem.

    Rural machinery driving in vast unpopulated paddocks in an Australian summer have to run red hot to reburn their exhaust to meet the requirements to drive on the crush loaded streets of Paris.

    You mean like

    Is a catch can important on a modern turbo diesel?

    If you own a modern turbo diesel without a catch can, you’ll probably look back in the future and wish you’d fitted one. You can get a variety of different brands and models of catch cans for $150 – $450 installed, and they play a hugely important role for your motor.

    Why is it so important?

    I can already hear you saying ‘So what; why does that matter?’, and I’ll cover that now. The biggest reason you want a quality catch can on a modern diesel motor is to stop the massive problem it causes when it mixes with your exhaust gas re circulation system.

    Turbo diesel motors have had exhaust gas recirculation systems now for some time, where a portion of the exhaust gas is recycled back through the motor. This isn’t a massive issue, except that by nature your exhaust gasses have carbon in them, and when this black soot mixes with an oil mist, it sticks to anything that it can.

    Without a catch can, your engine cakes up with sticky black muck and soon becomes badly restricted. You only have to jump on Google Images and look up EGR intake clean to get an idea of how bad this actually is. Left without being cleaned, you will suffer losses in power and fuel economy. There are a variety of ways of cleaning motors, which can be time consuming and expensive. (i.e go for a long drive at speed) Avoid the build up in the first place and you’ll be in a great position.

    The second reason catch cans are very important is because oil reduces the efficiency of your intercooler when it covers the pipe work. The colder the air going into the motor the better it performs, and if your intercooler doesn’t function as it should you are missing out on its potential.

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha is always full of crap.

    And a very good morning to you too, Numbers Bob.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    The troll is full of crap this morning.

    Were you expecting the spud-peeler would change with daylight savings or something?

  106. We’re getting 47.5 Mbps Download and 11.4 Mbps upload consistently, and have been since install.
    And it doesn’t matter what anybody else with a wireless connection near us is doing.
    It costs us $78 monthly unlimited.

  107. Leigh Lowe

    Is it true that the Spud Peeler’s unit insignia bears the motto “Who Pares Wins”?

  108. Woolfe

    That’s wonderful but we don’t have nbn yet and I now do not have to pay extra for a government funded service that is crap. You know, like their ABC.

  109. OldOzzie

    Leigh Lowe
    #2982201, posted on April 8, 2019 at 9:48 am

    Is it true that the Spud Peeler’s unit insignia bears the motto “Who Pares Wins”?

    Don’t remind me of misery – 3,500 Potatoes peeled on Army Kitchen Duty – hey it was punishment

  110. Arky

    Twostix
    #2982124, posted on April 8, 2019 at 7:38 am
    They mean to imprison you in your rotten racist little suburbia, then turn out the lights.

    These people aren’t playing games

    ..
    Nailed it.

  111. dover_beach

    We have just got Pentanet fixed wireless in Perth, am getting 55 Mbs down and and 10 up,

    What is the ping like?

  112. Arky

    The NBN, like ISDN, will be simply another obsolete network that was out of date before it was finished.

    ..
    See your previous comment.
    The NBN ensures the copper network won’t work when the power grid fails.

  113. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s also interesting that Pezzullo was driving a BMW X6 – price $104,390 up. Since it was a weekday morning, it’s reasonable to assume he was driving it to work, so it’s his private plated executive vehicle that is part of his salary package

    Why isn’t it an electric car like a BMW i3? Shouldn’t public servants lead by example?

  114. struth

    We’re getting 47.5 Mbps Download and 11.4 Mbps upload consistently, and have been since install.
    And it doesn’t matter what anybody else with a wireless connection near us is doing.
    It costs us $78 monthly unlimited.

    When it comes to cost, regarding this unnecessary government travesty, it could only be a moronic left wing tax parasite that could be so self absorbed.
    The true cost to this nation is phenomenal, but SNIFFY’S ok, that’s all that concerns SNIFFSTER.
    Not the lives that could be saved from the money going into better roads, more hospitals and infrastructure that could help the economy boom, or tax cuts that would see more jobs and wealth created.
    No this multi billion dollar waste (plus interest) was all worth it because SNIFFY has government supplied internet.

  115. OldOzzie

    Voters engage on budget as phony war concludes

    The Australian Editorial

    Days before Scott Morrison calls on the Governor-General, Sir Peter Cosgrove, to fire the starting gun in the election campaign, debate is settling on to the big issues that matter most to the nation — economic policy, jobs, tax, service delivery and living costs. After leading the Coalition on the two-party-preferred vote in more than 50 consecutive Newspolls, Labor will start the race in pole position. While the Coalition wasted too much of its second term (and its first) navel gazing and squabbling, Bill Shorten and his team put their main policies out early and have stuck to them, remaining resolute about their intention to raise at least an extra $200 billion in taxes.

    However galling for self-funded retirees, property investors and high-income earners who would meet the hefty impost, Labor deserves credit for not trying to sneak into office by making itself into a small target and merely capitalising on the disunity that has plagued the Coalition.

    On the other hand, in less than eight months as Treasurer, Josh Frydenberg has taken the fight up to Labor. For much of the summer, Mr Frydenberg tried to draw attention to Labor’s policies on property taxes, retirees’ franking credits, superannuation and discretionary trusts, underlining the price many households would pay for Mr Shorten’s determination to increase the size of the public sector.

    Today’s Newspoll reveals that the Treasurer and the Prime Minister scored a breakthrough with their “back in the black” budget. After trailing Labor by a dismal 46-54 on the two-party-preferred vote a month ago, the government has kicked back to be within striking distance of an unlikely election win on 48-52.

    With the Coalition leading Labor on the primary vote, 39-37, Mr Morrison has momentum on his side. He has extended his lead as preferred prime minister over the Opposition Leader to a clear-cut 46-35. Campaign strategists will be encouraged that the budget was well received among all age groups, including young voters. Almost a quarter of Labor voters (23 per cent) even conceded it was a good budget, while almost half of Labor voters were uncommitted. But the Coalition has no room for complacency. The last time a federal budget left so many voters believing they would be better off was in May 2007 — the last budget of John Howard and Peter Costello before they were voted out. That year, Kevin Rudd found it politically advantageous to sell himself to voters as “John Howard lite” and to paint himself as a “fiscal conservative”. Today’s electorate can be under no such illusions. Under a banner of fairness, Labor is intent on significant redistribution and government intervention, in everything from wages policy to environmental regulation and “picking winners” via industry assistance that Australians have not experienced for decades.

    In contrast with its taxes, wages and spending policies that are set out in detail, Labor faces a serious credibility gap on its climate change policy. Energy has been a divisive issue for the Coalition for most of the past six years. That disadvantage, however, has been negated by Labor’s release of its half-baked climate policy, without costings, on budget eve when it was likelier to escape intense scrutiny. That timing has backfired, however, with Mr Shorten’s claim that it took eight to 10 minutes to charge an electric vehicle, depending on how depleted the battery, drawing attention to the policy’s vagaries. In reality the time is closer to eight to 10 hours or, with a special charger, about an hour.

    While Labor wants electric vehicles to comprise 50 per cent of new car sales by 2030, compared with 0.2 per cent now, the costs of subsidising EVs, or of building them in Australia as Mr Shorten envisages, or of providing charging stations, remain a mystery. That lack of essential detail will not sit well with voters in light of Labor’s past financial failures over big-ticket spending policies such as the NBN and school halls. If well exploited by the Coalition, Labor’s lack of costings also would play on the public’s worries about living costs. Household budgets were the main election issue identified by 63 per cent of voters in the Galaxy poll published yesterday in News Corp’s Sunday papers.

    As the parties head into the campaign, the odds favour Labor. Unfavourable boundary distributions, the loss of Malcolm Turnbull’s former seat of Wentworth to Kerryn Phelps and the defection of Julia Banks from the Liberal Party to stand against Health Minister Greg Hunt have added to the Coalition’s difficulties and perceptions of disunity. The challenges facing the Nationals from One Nation, the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers and other fringe parties are also problematic.

    Today’s Newspoll, however, shakes up the game. Until recently, it appeared that voters, disgusted by the Coalition’s internal instability and bickering, had stopped listening. The budget, however, was sufficiently impressive to remind them of the government’s successful record on economic management.

    The fact the number of people who rated the budget as “extremely good” was the highest since Newspoll began tracking that question in 1999, and almost double that of any other year, shows voters have re-engaged with economic issues. That’s the ground on which the Coalition needs to fight. Labor, on the other hand, will use its war chest to promise big on services. It’s game on.

  116. Hay Stockard

    Not mentionimg names or numerals but I think it is shockingly bad manners to come on a site and try and shit all over it.
    Some old Como school teacher should have a good hard look at himself.
    Rude seahunt.

  117. BrettW

    One aspect of Shorten’s EV 2030 plan is not getting too much comment.

    He said could be made here. More overpaid Union brothers with all the overtime and perks factored into the cost. How many dollars will he subsidise to be able to say he revived car manufacturing in Oz.

  118. dover_beach

    On Australia’s only Mvsl1m-fronted preaching program, a hero is feted …

    ‘I don’t see Mvsl1m preaching on a packed train’: Passenger reveals why he went toe-to-toe with an anti-abortion Christian preacher who ordered commuters to ‘repent for their sins’.

    Indeed, they are developing a narrative and we are learning which characters urban bugmen must despise and who they must adore.

  119. OldOzzie

    Is the new Jimny the best Suzuki 4X4 ever made?

    I’m not going to hide the fact I am a Suzuki enthusiast. I learnt to drive in an ’84 model Sierra I bought for $1200, and took that thing everywhere including the Vic High Country on my P-plates at 80km/h the whole way…
    READ MORE

  120. struth

    Where’s Waldo?
    Where is Monty?

    Since finding out that “anyday now” was the twelfth of never, no one has seen him once on here, have they?

    This is concerning for a number of reasons.
    Lefties when beaten, go to ground for a day or so, and then start spinning lies and propaganda to cover their wrongology, so you would expect him back just dribbling some diversionary bullshit.
    But no, this has hit harder than we could possibly conceive as common sense, fact driven right wingers.

    Magical thinking has not worked.
    Not wishful thinking.
    Magical thinking.
    Saying it makes it so, and the more saying it, makes it more so.
    97% of left wing scientists agree, the science is settled.
    Pile ons produce results.
    Mud thrown by millions , stick.

    Think it, make it so.
    National socialism is right wing.
    Think it, make it so…………………..

    The question now must be where is he hiding out?
    Every time he got destroyed here, he waited a while and then came back twice as thick and stubbornly believing that if the left say it, then it is so.

    Could it possibly be that some on the left are realising that the left wing media itself, and the leaders of their side of politics, are using their own numpty followers, making their lives a sad existences, and lying to them , treating them as the fools they are?

    Could Monty actually have the smarts to put that together?

  121. Doc BeauGan:

    How on earth did the brownie points hunting idiot who put this up ever get into a position of authority in the RAAF? There has to be something rotten at the very top.

    This is treason.
    It’s a good thing for its practitioners that Labor removed the death penalty for it in 1989? (IIRC)
    We need to go back to my original plan of a “Purge of the Marshalls” remove all the brass down to Colonel level.
    While looking for a reference to Stalins purge of the Marshalls, I found this little eye opener. Apparently the US is having a vaguely similar problem with their own entrenched senior staff. The link is from 2013.

  122. Frank Walker:

    I am of the view that we should employ armed drones (RQ 180 for example) with a small nuclear arms stockpile (BGM 109s, W88s, W84s and B61s) given we are a small nation and the cost of manned MRCA is now qute frankly, ridiculous.

    Excellent strategy, my man. How about we just kill all the enemy and let them worry about firewood for the peasants bread?
    Or maybe these fuckwits we have in our senior echelons would consider us dropping bread supplies to the enemy to keep their wymminses safe?

  123. Nukkel Dragger:

    I reckon the sons of Nippon, this time around would prefer to slam armed drone swarms into every major dam and levee in China, then asking the country’s survivors if they still want to dance. And to hell with the UN, and for that matter the gender harming whatever concept that lunatic RAAF ‘officer’ came up with while off his tits on amyl nitrite.

    Don’t you mean “…that lunatic RAAF ‘officer’ came up with while off his/her/zhes tits on amyl nitrite.”

  124. Cardimona

    Cory’s new TV ad

    https://youtu.be/SWcZgVgDDSs

    I sent some feedback…

    G’day Cory, Lyle, and team

    I just looked at my email and followed the link to the new ad.

    It’s not enough and it’s on the wrong track.

    First, there was too much of the Bernardi backstory. The decision not to make it Bernardi’s Conservatives was a good one. Aussies are sick of the cult of personality in politics.

    Second, it didn’t get to the key points conservatives want to hear. People are busy. Grab their attention with phrases they don’t get elsewhere.

    “The UN are communists – we’ll get them out of our governance.”
    “Man-made global warming is crap – we’ll separate the true science from the fake science.”
    “Carbon dioxide is the molecule of life – we’ll tell the truth about it.”
    “Cheap electricity is essential for modern civilisation – we’ll support coal-fired power.”
    “Renewables subsidies are an unnecessary tax – we’ll end them.”
    “Aussies are over-regulated – we’ll insist on three regulations out for each new one in.”
    “The Great Barrier Reef is fine – coral bleaching is an evolutionary superpower.”
    “Water and food are vital to life – we’ll build dams and the Bradfield Scheme.”

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

    All the better if there’s a savage media reaction – ride the wave, like The Donald does.

    Cheers,

  125. OldOzzie

    IBM Watson

    Training Watson to Help Detect Melanomas Earlier and Faster


    Kiwis and Aussies love the outdoors, especially in the summer sunshine. Unfortunately, that has resulted in the area having one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world. With melanoma being one of the most common forms of cancer, early diagnosis is critical to improving survival rates. That’s why I teamed with IBM Research: to improve the identification of melanoma. With the work, we hope to help save the lives of more than 3,500 people each year across Australia and New Zealand.

    Finding melanoma is like finding the needle in a huge haystack. We may have 10s or 100s of moles, freckles and other spots on our skin and it is most likely that none of them are melanoma. Once a melanoma reaches more than 1mm below the surface of the skin it becomes life threatening. The challenge is that these changes can be difficult to spot, as superficial melanomas generally grow slowly, spreading across the skin for months or even years before they present a serious threat.

    If detected before it reaches the lymph nodes the chance of surviving for a further five years rises from 64 per cent to 95 per cent.

    To save more lives our dermatologists need to see more people! Despite the widespread education campaigns to ‘slip, slop, and slap,’ early detection has not been a public health priority. Not all primary care providers are sufficiently trained to undertake increased screening and there simply aren’t enough dermatologists to cover the whole country.

    I estimate one million people throughout Australia and New Zealand should be screened regularly but we only see around 50,000 each year.

    The critical work we are doing with IBM Research is designed to train cognitive technology to identify melanoma from its very early stages. Rather than taking over the specialist’s role of identifying suspicious skin lesions, Watson will efficiently and effectively sift out the false alarms. Making the ‘haystack’ smaller will help our expert dermatologists to focus on, and spot, the dangerous lesions.

    The first step was to train Watson to help specialists spot skin lesion changes. Watson learnt about three types of skin cancer and 12 benign disease groups from 40,000 images taken from our database of 15 million lesion images and compared that with our expert’s medical diagnosis.

    Like a human, the machine’s accuracy with detecting melanoma improves with practice. My brief to IBM Research was to get to a level of accuracy of 80%, similar to what the average dermatologist (they are the experts) achieves. The results from the research so far show a level of accuracy of closer to 95%[1], which is really encouraging.

    I’m really excited about the scope of what Watson can help us do. I want this Watson-enabled technology to reach the wider population, especially regional areas where people are more likely to spend their days working in the sun but are further from our specialists.

  126. struth

    Remove you sitting member!
    Put them last on the ballot!

    Our constitution does not work with parties involved.
    It was never meant to have them.
    It was meant to have an executive and representatives, and state government reps by way of senators.

    The two big parties are the corporations of the parliament, and through government, eliminating competition, and corruptly fleecing the tax payer for advertisements, and personal financial gain of it’s members.

    Party politics in Australia is anathema, but large parties are the Tolls and Linfox’s of the house, the system rigged to allow no small business or owner operator to compete in the business.

  127. Boambee John

    struth at 1005

    Not the lives that could be saved from the money going into better roads, more hospitals and infrastructure that could help the economy boom, or tax cuts that would see more jobs and wealth created.

    It might even have been possible to fund a radiation oncology unit at Toowoomba General Hospital?

    Nah, high speed FTTH is far more important than that.

    Except when it isn’t.

  128. twostix

    We’re getting 47.5 Mbps Download and 11.4 Mbps upload consistently, and have been since install.
    And it doesn’t matter what anybody else with a wireless connection near us is doing.

    NBN bandwidth is shared dopey.

  129. Johno

    People presume that electricity to charge your EV will always be at domestic prices.

    In the USA in states where electricity costs 11c per KW the cost of recharging at Blink sites ranges between 40 and 80 cents a KW.
    The average EV uses 18.5 KW to travel 100K that costs $14.80.

    A corolla will use 6.5L to travel 100K at a cost of $9.10.

    Australian electricity prices are way more than US prices.

    EVs are an inner city vehicle only.

  130. Dr Faustus

    quite happy to stand up and spout complete and obvious bullshit about the here and now

    He’s not alone.
    Remember Dutton (February 9, 2019) –

    So, the old ‘Well, he’s a double bum bum poo face’ argument?
    How appropriately playground.

  131. Indolent

    John at 6:40.

    That’s exactly where it’s headed. The only question is whether it’s intentional.

    Simple answer – yes. Agenda 21/2030

  132. struth

    What tosh.
    Tame and lame.
    I’m glad I didn’t donate anymore money.
    It’s not as if you haven’t been told by many to step up and fight.
    Pathetic.

    my Email back to Lyle Shelton regarding add.

  133. notafan

    So unfair

    country people have had nbn for years and me in marvellous mid east Meblourne is still waiting

    we pay the same taxes!

    That is due to the government of Nauru not allowing medical transfer to Australia without the consent of Nauru government appointed doctors.

    Wait, wait, waiting for bumbers to respond to that

    he won’t of course

    I heart the government of Nauru

  134. cohenite

    The troll is hilarious; it assumes technical understanding on all sorts of matters.

    Or it would be funny if it’s cronies were not in positions of power and have similar assumed but in reality non-existent technical expertise on anything.

  135. OldOzzie

    DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

    Demis Hassabis founded a company to build the world’s most powerful AI. Then Google bought him out. Hal Hodson asks who is in charge

    An Excellent Article from The Economist 1843 Magazine

  136. Dr Faustus

    Their ABC 612 on high rotation Shorten defence:

    1). Uniquely amongst OECD governments, the Coalition is actively opposing the introduction of EV’s whereas all Shorten is trying to do is bring us kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Even [spit] Trump is not opposing EV’s – so you know how seriously shitty Morrison is in criticising King Billy;

    2) The NewsPoll 2% improvement in the Coalition first preference (and Labor’s 2% fall) and 48:52 2PP is within the survey 3% margin of error. So, in fact, the Coalition is down 45:55 and has no chance because they are bum bum poo faces – whereas Team Shorten is stable and leadership ready.

  137. notafan

    And you know Shorten will increase the fuel excise to price regular cars out of the market, as well as make up his tax shortfall, knowing that people in the outer burbs and rural areas will have to suck it up

    What is Bill Shorten driving, still his mother’s old Mitsubishi Colt?

  138. OldOzzie

    Useless Victorian Police ??Service?? at work again and the Future for Australia under Labor writ large by Vic Labor

    THE BULLYING GAME: VEGANS BLOCK TRAFFIC
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    April 8, 2019 7:41am


    The arrogance of people who adopt a cause that licences them to bully:

    A number of protests by vegan activists are taking place in Victoria, including in the middle of one of Melbourne’s busiest intersections.

    On Monday morning, protesters parked several vans in the middle of the intersection of Flinders and Swanston streets in the CBD during peak hour.

    The protest beginning around 7am has shut down tram services on Flinders St, between stops two and six, and along Swanston St, between stops 14 and 11.

    Persuading no one, inconveniencing many. It makes no sense unless you realise that bullying is the game.

    UPDATED

    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    It’s almost as if there are no laws about these things, just the law of the jungle.

  139. Shy Ted

    ABC Radio Adelaide wondering why Bill Shorten remains less popular than SloMo. ABC host has met him and Juliar and both are “very charming and personable people” but come across as being “a bit odd in front of the camera”. You can text or tweet your comments but if you mention the TURC you won’t be read out. Or criticise EV. Or mention ALP legacy. Or be honest in any way. Ita!!!!

  140. struth

    Australian electricity prices are way more than US prices.

    And the electricity at recharge stations will be taxed on top, more so again.
    The Australian government won’t lose revenue because “road user funding etc”

    Remember LPG vehicles?
    Nearly every city taxi.
    Taxed to extinction.
    Compliance costs, initial purchase, and a steady ratchetting up of tax made whatever benefit having it, pointless.
    Does anyone seriously believe the Australian government will leave auto electricity alone, considering past history on taxing anything that moves, and looking at domestic electricity.

    FMD, this will not happen, it cannot and it wont, as I stated up thread.

    Blackouts on hot days now!
    When the blackouts occur, as they increasingly will, then what?
    Would you, even now, think about diving you EV though northern SA or country Victoria on a hot day?

    What absolute tosh.
    Forcing people into EV’s will be impossible to achieve no matter what the subsidies and tax hikes on more efficient competition, and will see the nation crumble into Venezuela before the target was anywhere near achieved.
    You’ll be lucky to own a horse and cart, and you’ll end up eating the horse.

  141. Roger

    And you know Shorten will increase the fuel excise to price regular cars out of the market, as well as make up his tax shortfall, knowing that people in the outer burbs and rural areas will have to suck it up

    I think voters in rural/regional areas are getting tired of sucking it up.

  142. C.L.

    It’s also interesting that Pezzullo was driving a BMW X6 – price $104,390 up.

    Yes. One of the country’s public “servants.”
    Once upon a time, Commonwealth public servants got middling pay – counterbalanced by employment stability, social respect, maybe some post-nominal letters for services rendered, a modest payout allowing them to potter around the garden in retirement. They used to sign off official letters “your most humble servant.”

    Now …

  143. Des Deskperson

    ‘Why isn’t it an electric car like a BMW i3? Shouldn’t public servants lead by example?’

    I assume that will happen under Labor. At the moment there are no standard regulations or guidelines stipulating the types of cars senior public service employees are entitled to, it’s all up to agency heads.

    I imagine a guy like Pezzullo would want something large and flash for his executive vehicle. An electric vehicle may not cut it.

  144. Struth:
    Sydney Harbour Tunnel. At 2.8km, think of two EV colliding in the middle.
    Think of the ensuing fire. It can’t be put out and the chaos when someone at the entrance abandons their own vehicle and blocks the way in.
    Aha! Problem solved!
    Water – lots of water will put the fire out!
    Open the valves to Sydney Harbour, flood the tunnel.
    There’s something wrong about the solution, but I can’t think of it.
    …it’s on the tip of my tongue…

  145. Dr Faustus

    Also on ABC 612:

    The Australian public is evenly split between people who think PETA activists should be allowed to freely trespass on farms because Australian farmers are routinely unkind to their animals and red-necked thugs who support Green Shirt fascists who think PETA activists should pay their own fines.

    The EV industry is just like the dawn of motoring, where there were no filling stations and people bought petrol in cans from their grocers. Once it was apparent that cars were here to stay, Big Oil realised there was a quid to be made in setting up petrol stations – and the rest is history.
    (Except Big Electricity is slow to the party and Big Government is needed to step up to the plate.)

  146. feelthebern

    The EV debate on here is moot: arguably EV’s have a niche role in an urban environment, and who is to say whether battery development over the next decade won’t deliver an EV that is reasonably practical/economical in a broader Australian context. May happen.

    Correct.
    What I don’t understand is if these things are the ducks nuts, why do we need to put money into a multi nationals pocket?
    We didn’t for the iphone.
    Why should we do it for EVs?
    Let the market decide over the next 4-5 years what the uptake is.
    No need for the government to distort it.
    Reeks of rent seeking.

  147. Roger

    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    By comparison, if it was Paris the tear gas would already have been deployed.

  148. Infidel Tiger

    If we build the required 300 new coal and gas fired power plants, Shorten’s EV plan seem very sensible.

  149. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #2982237, posted on April 8, 2019 at 10:51 am

    And you know Shorten will increase the fuel excise to price regular cars out of the market, as well as make up his tax shortfall, knowing that people in the outer burbs and rural areas will have to suck it up

    What is Bill Shorten driving, still his mother’s old Mitsubishi Colt?

    Don’t knock Mitsubishi Colt – My wife and I bought late 1969 1100F SS Mitsubishi Colt Fastback after seeing Colin Bond at work in Rallies

    But only two years later, the tone of magazine reviews had utterly changed. “Unsung Hero” headlined the Motor Manual test in December 1969 of the 1100 SS Fastback. The car now featured a full lifting rear hatch, but it wasn’t that alone that was responsible for the change in perspective. And it wasn’t even the more powerful engine. Or the front disc brakes. Nope, it was the Colt’s stunning rallying success.

    Driven by Colin Bond and navigated by Brian Hope, not only did the Colt dominate its class in Australian rallying, it also came as high as 3rd outright in major rallies like the 1968 Southern Cross. In the 1969 Rothmans BP and Southern Cross rallies, it beat home cars like the Ford GT, Lotus Cortina, Porsche, Cooper S and Repco Volvo. That success changed the way enthusiasts viewed the Colt – now there was little talk about its styling and a lot more talk about its handling and sweet engine!

    “From a performance angle, the SS’s incredible list of rally successes would seem puzzling,” wrote Modern Motor. “But it’s the good overall balance of the car, its compact size and the solidity of its mechanicals that brings it home amongst the front runners with such regularity.”

    “We found the Colt to be tremendous fun over steep, winding roads where full use could be made of the potential of its engine, roadholding and brakes without giving rise to any concern on the part of the drivers and passengers,” the magazine concluded.

    Will admit to one problem – with Alloy Head and Iron Block kept blowing Head Gaskets – needing shaving of head and thicker head gaskets – but what a great little car, especially on dirt.

  150. C.L.

    Billexandria Occasio-Shorten’s new romper-stomper haircut portends an act of violence.
    He wants to kick the sh-t out of native Australians.
    “This. Is. Not. Your. Country.”

  151. feelthebern

    If I win powerball, I will go on the waiting list for the Tesla Roadster 2020.

  152. Mater

    By comparison, if it was Paris the tear gas would already have been deployed.

    By comparison, if they were protesting immigration, the tear gas would already have been deployed.

  153. C.L.

    Piety latest …
    AFL to launch full-scale ‘investigation’ of player who flipped the bird at opponent.

  154. lotocoti

    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    If they were protesting tax payers right wing extremists, the Sword and Shield of the Party would’ve broken out the CS and baton rounds, most ricky-tick.

  155. Baldrick

    Bill Shorten, come on down …

    The Australian ✔ @australian
    LIVE: Politics Now | The PM has refused to be drawn on whether the Coalition will sign off on Adani this week

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Piety latest …
    AFL to launch full-scale ‘investigation’ of player who flipped the bird at opponent.

    Apparently the crime was flipping the bird, then using the extended finger to close one nostril to imitate snorting coke … a jibe at opposition player Mumford who was caught on tape sniffing “white powder”.
    There is no dispute that Mumford snorted coke.
    Interesting.
    A couple of years ago, golden haired Hawthorn boy Sam Mitchell made a simulated injecting motion at Essendon players. That was considered the height of witty fair comment.

  157. Boambee John

    Roger
    #2982247, posted on April 8, 2019 at 11:03 am
    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    By comparison, if it was Paris the tear gas would already have been deployed.

    Only if it was les gilets juanes protesting. Students from the Sorbonne campaigning against Brexit, not so much.

  158. Dr Faustus

    No need for the government to distort it.
    Reeks of rent seeking.

    Rent seeking? Surely you jest.

    ALP announces Electric Vehicle Policy

    Labor’s National Electric Vehicle policy a giant leap for affordability, investment, and the environment.

    Federal government’s electric vehicle plan requires better clarity and purpose

    The peak body for the electric vehicle industry has expressed its disappointment at the federal government’s underwhelming approach to the electric vehicle revolution, outlined in the new Climate Solutions Fund.

    A Rule to Live By: Once a revolutionary startup industry sets up something called “a Council” they have their hands rummaging around in your pockets.

  159. notafan

    I’m not knocking the Colt Old Ozzie

    I’m knocking Shorten who does not practice what he preaches

    Nor does Burnside

    Nor does Dinatale

    I’d like to know how many labor green pollies and candidates are driving elective cars

  160. OldOzzie

    Few hard questions as the friendly commentariat boosts Steggall

    Chris Mitchell

    Apparently being female and “green” means never having to face media scrutiny. Olympic slalom skiing bronze medallist Zali Steggall, running as an independent in the federal seat of Warringah hoping to topple long-term Liberal MP Tony Abbott, has received generally soft media treatment. Voters may imagine an independent trying to unseat a high-profile government MP who has been prime minister for two years and opposition leader for five should face serious probing.

    But apart from this newspaper’s Brad Norington, who has doggedly pursued Steggall’s links to Labor front organisation GetUp, most interviews with Steggall have assumed virtue for her and treated Abbott as a pariah.

    Whatever your views on Abbott, he has been a diligent local member, raising large amounts for the Manly Women’s Shelter, Bear Cottage (children’s hospice) and the Royal Far West (centre for rural children needing medical treatment in Sydney) with his annual Pollie Pedal. He turns up for surf life saving events, still patrols at Queenscliff beach and is a long-term member of his local Davidson Rural Fire Brigade.

    GetUp members drumming up anti-Abbott sentiment don’t like being told these things. Their retort usually focuses on Abbott’s many different positions on climate change and opposition to same-sex marriage.

    They point to Warringah’s 75 per cent vote in favour of marriage law reform in the 2017 plebiscite to argue he is out of touch. Yet five million other Australians voted against gay marriage and Abbott is very supportive of his gay sister, Christine Forster.

    Activists resort to the “Abbott is a misogynist” line, which this column has previously argued is rubbish. Much of it goes back to former prime minister Julia Gillard’s famous speech on the issue, yet Gillard has admitted that when they were both in charge of house business for their respective sides she was fond of Abbott.

    It is hard to see how a man with a strong, independently minded wife who runs her own businesses, three daughters, a female chief of staff in opposition and in government (Peta Credlin) and a female deputy (Julie Bishop) can really hate women. None of this is to deny Abbott has been a controversial figure since his days running Australians for Constitutional Monarchy and it is only fair his electorate be given the opportunity to decide if he has lost touch with a seat that has changed since he first won it in 1994.

    What of Steggall? Character counts in politics yet most journalists seem to have taken Steggall’s at face value. They have accepted her assurances she is not a GetUp candidate and has never voted Labor, as she first told the head of the Australian Republic Movement, Peter FitzSimons of Nine’s The Sydney Morning Herald, on January 27. Yet even if she is not from GetUp, the organisation is campaigning vigorously for her. And Steggall admits she has never voted for Abbott so can she really portray herself as a centre-right candidate, asNine’s (former Fairfax) papers and Guardian Australia do?

    A lawyer and mother of two, she says the electorate is sick of inaction on climate change. She forced Abbott last month to say he now supports Australia’s commitment to the Paris emissions reduction targets to which he first pledged the Coalition in 2015 but backflipped on during the prime ministership of Malcolm Turnbull.

    Steggall is clearly a very determined woman and in media profiles speaks of her relentless commitment to physical improvement before her Olympic medal and world title, and since her retirement from competitive skiing.

    She received an Order of Australia in 2009 for her services to the Olympic movement and to charity. She is a non-executive director of the Olympic Winter Institute of Australia, director of the Sport Hall of Fame, member of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority anti-doping rule violation panel and an arbitrator of the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

    But despite her ongoing com­mitments, some in the ski community are critical. Most won’t go on the record but some say she has not put much back into the sport at a grassroots level. Remember she lived in France and her ski career as a junior was with French teams.

    “Slalom skiing is by its nature a selfish sport and many of us regard Zali as selfish. She has mentored no one on the slopes here since her retirement. Most Olympians are here every year mentoring junior skiers,” says one alpine ski business owner.

    A club captain and coach is more direct: “She has put nothing back into skiing at all. They got their fair share of sponsorship in Australia even though her early skiing years were in France. Kellogg’s and OneTel put a lot of money in to her. Many skiers get support from the association (Australian Olympic Committee) and that’s taxpayers’ money so they put back in by doing things … putting in a bit by nurturing up-and-coming skiers.”

    Steggall’s camp rejects the criticism. As well as her formal roles mentioned above she says: “I was a pro bono, non-executive director of Ski and Snowboarding Australia from 2002 to 2006. I have mentored, encouraged and given talks to young skiers, in particular one of our best up-and-coming skiers, Zali Offord, named after me.”

    The AOC says: “Zali Steggall has made an ongoing contribution to the Olympic movement over many years, including two terms as a director of the Winter Olympic Institute of Australia.” Still, her ski critics question whether she will be prepared to do the local grassroots work every MP must if she has not done grassroots mentoring in her beloved sport.

    Few media reports have questioned the motives of the high-profile business people backing Steggall. A long piece by Jane Cadzow in Good Weekend in Nine’s Herald and The Age on March 9 quoted a range of business people backing Steggall on climate action. The piece, like most, did not ask if those backers stood to make money from renewable energy. Clearly Turnbull’s son, Alex, who lives in Singapore but is backing Steggall, does. So do backers Simon Holmes a Court and Solar Choice founder and local resident Angus Gemmell.

    Mosman resident and Pacific Equity partners founding partner Rickard Gardell has backed Steg­gall financially but would not discuss his investments with Norington in a piece published here on March 4.

    This column has previously criticised the ABC and Nine’s papers for relying on former Liberal leader John Hewson as a conservative critic of the conservatives on climate issues without revealing he invests in renewables. Such oversights never occur when investors in mining or fossil-fuel power generation are quoted.

    Several Mosman investment bankers are backing Steggall, including campaign chairman Rob Purves, who is also a WWF Australia governor, and Archer Capital managing director Peter Gold.

    Bankers around the world love renewables investments because their returns are usually government-guaranteed and the technology is government-subsidised. Bankers also love the idea of international carbon trading, where they see the potential for fees and loan interest payments on a market that could grow to $7 trillion simply for trading paper certificates. No dirty mining or industrial plant building required. Few voters realise the huge homes in Mosman and along the beaches, many with dozens of solar panels on their roofs, are effectively being subsidised by higher prices for base­load power. In Warringah, that means less salubrious areas back from the beaches such as Manly Vale, Brookvale and Abbott’s Forestville are paying more to heat their homes while owners of harbourside mansions and beach houses receive solar rebates.

    Teslas are common in Manly and Mosman, and wealthy voters will no doubt approve of Labor leader Bill Shorten’s commitment last week to ensuring half the nation’s car fleet is electric by 2030. Apart from not thinking about the coal burned generating electricity to power these cars when recharging, analysis by environmental economists shows the carbon footprint in building cars with large battery storage is about 30 per cent greater than for conventional cars. More important, as a contributor of only 1.3 per cent of global carbon dioxide emissions, how will Australia, with a million cars sold a year, solve anything by getting ahead of China and India, where together 32 million cars sell every year?

    The Sydney Morning Herald last Wednesday reported Steggall appearing with Hewson at a Smart Energy Conference in Sydney to support the launch of an Australian-made electric cargo van. It was a day after Shorten’s electric car launch and Hewson said Abbott deserved to lose his seat.

    Abbott is styling himself as the candidate looking after interests of the ordinary families of Warringah, while implying Steggall and Labor will look after rich voters. It is a microcosm of the wider climate debate as Labor campaigns for policies that may hurt its own voters’ hip pockets most.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Of course…

    Several new species of trapdoor spiders found in Queensland are finally described in an article published this month in Invertebrate Systematics.

    But each of the new species occurs in only its own single, isolated patch of rainforest in southeastern Queensland, and nowhere else.

    Because these species have such tiny natural distributions, they are especially vulnerable to extinction.

    Betcha someone finds a species of trapdoor spider which lives in a single, isolated patch of dirt above the Carmichael coal deposit.

    Trapdoor spider species that stay local put themselves at risk (Phys.org, 5 Apr)

    The photos are good stuff. Some serious arachnid engineering in action.

  162. notafan

    That isn’t true about yellow jackets anyhow

    I watched a protest in late Jan in Paris up close

    Place de la Bastille and Rue de Rivoli were closed to traffic for hours, and that included all public buses.

    It’s only when anarchists start smashing and looting the tear gas comes out

  163. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #2982263, posted on April 8, 2019 at 11:21 am

    I’m not knocking the Colt Old Ozzie

    I’m knocking Shorten who does not practice what he preaches

    notafan, I was just kidding – I agree BullShitten is a Typical Parsicitical Hypocrite

  164. Dr Faustus

    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    VicPlod is emerging as a standout supporter of animal activists.

    The NSW and Queensland cops have no restriction in removing and charging protestors.

  165. dover_beach

    I’d like to know how many labor green pollies and candidates are driving elective cars

    Surely you mean chauffeured, not driving.

  166. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Why isn’t it an electric car like a BMW i3? Shouldn’t public servants lead by example?’

    I assume that will happen under Labor.

    Des – Nope. Labor Party pollies are not cretins. How I wish Di Natale would make adoption of electric Commonwealth cars a mandatory requirement for Green support of ALP legislation. It would be gloriously entertaining!

  167. Roger

    Once a revolutionary startup industry sets up something called “a Council” they have their hands rummaging around in your pockets.

    The MD of a small QLD company that has manufactured Australia’s first EV would like NZ’s system here:

    Up to 50% of costs government funded.

    Of course he would.

  168. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #2982263, posted on April 8, 2019 at 11:21 am

    I’m not knocking the Colt Old Ozzie

    I’m knocking Shorten who does not practice what he preaches

    notafan, I was just kidding – I agree BullShitten is a Typical Parsicitical Hypocrite

    Will admit to a second problem on the Colt 1100F SS – blew a Hole in the Diff Housing when a Diff Bolt came loose and punctured a Hole in the Diff Housing – Reassembled and tightened the Diff and reinstalled

    Then patched the hole in the Diff Housing with layered newspaper and araldite – worked for next ten years

  169. notafan

    I’m sure Burnside tools down to the luxury cliff top beach house at Cape Liptrap in an EV

    the view from the deck

  170. Mater

    An hour and a half later and Victoria Police have still not moved on these protesters or arrested a single one.

    The drop kicks are now blockading the Melbourne Aquarium trying to stop the kids on school holidays from going in.
    Police appear to be facilitating access for the Mums and Bubs, but many are clearly intimidated and are turning around.

  171. Roger

    The drop kicks are now blockading the Melbourne Aquarium trying to stop the kids on school holidays from going in.

    Hopefully this will set their cause back 20 years or so.

  172. feelthebern

    How long before an ALP or union stooge is appointed as grand poobah of re-charging?
    To be granted a licence to operate, you need to:
    * pay the fee;
    * not have anything un-labor or un-union in your social media history;
    * adhere to “the rules” to ensure you maintain your social licence to operate.

  173. feelthebern

    Has the TWU endorsed safety body stopped any accidents on Australian roads ?

  174. feelthebern

    We could ask these questions of David L, but whenever it comes to the union movement, he mysteriously ends up in his office eating Tim Tams.

  175. RobK

    Yesterday hzhousewife suggested a possible link between Getup and a failed batty swapping company

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place_(company)

    “aah the beloved Evan Thornley of GetUp fame ……… how interesting.”
    As a reponse to my link about Better Place, a failed battery swapping outfit that engaged Alan Finkel as chief technical officer.
    Perhaps there is some mileage to be gained from this link between getup and EVs

  176. notafan

    Philip Adam’s on twitter

    Anyone know the story?

    Julian chimes in. wierdly, too left for the commies, hard act to follow

    Take each of those events as a compliment, Phillip.
    You’ve led the way for most of us.

    You may make light of my eviction from the Chairman’s Lounge aged 79 . But it follows closely on being expelled from the Scouts at 12 and from the Communist Party at 17. What next? The afterlife?

  177. bespoke

    Cardimona
    #2982222, posted on April 8, 2019 at 10:29 am
    Cory’s new TV ad –

    I like it, as some hear have said the lack personality isn’t working for AC.

  178. notafan

    Julian Burnside Retweeted

    Dee Madigan

    Verified account

    @deemadigan
    Feb 9
    More
    Taxpayers should not be subsiding the lifestyle of wealthy retirees

    Now that is funny

  179. C.L.

    Few hard questions as the friendly commentariat boosts Steggall

    A great piece of actual journalism.
    Tonight the ABC will allege Abbott is a Chinese spy or something in a lavish, ridiculous Four Corners hitpiece which has been orchestrated to assist the far left in Warringah. This is another example of the ABC combining public monies, near psychotic malice and dishonesty to Milligan a conservative.

  180. Doc Faustus:

    (Except Big Electricity is slow to the party and Big Government is needed to step up to the plate.)

    No, BE is waiting for the subsidies and won’t do jack shit until they appear on the horizon.
    BE is not that stupid – they know the Government will cave first and start shoveling the dosh out the door as soon as a by election looks loseable.

  181. zyconoclast

    Cardimona
    #2982222, posted on April 8, 2019 at 10:29 am
    Cory’s new TV ad –

    https://youtu.be/SWcZgVgDDSs

    Terrible ad.
    Not one person will be convinced to change their vote.

    Clive Palmer yelling slogans has more cut through.

  182. Overburdened

    ZK2A

    In the mess of an operation that will remain nameless, I saw a expat verbally and loudly eviscerated and two full trays, one bacon and one chicken, thrown out along with the tongs because the expat thoughtlessly picked up a piece of chicken for his plate with the same tongs that he had picked up a piece of bacon.

    Total lunacy.

  183. C.L.

    Keith Windschuttle has a major new expose on the Pell trial at Quadrant.
    He has startling evidence Pell’s accuser and/or his handlers borrowed his entire bullshit story from Rolling Stone magazine – almost word for word.

    The Borrowed Testimony that Convicted George Pell.

  184. struth

    Your average tax take per your litre of fuel is around 60 cents.
    Indexed twice yearly.
    Every time you fill up your 80 litre tank from empty, about 50 bucks of it is straight tax.
    About half the cost.
    But how much per litre of the other half of the cost , going to the service station, is cost of indirect taxation of the business and it’s suppliers, that must be recovered?
    Without government, I suggest that fuel would be about 4o cents a litre.
    If government took just ten cents, and made it fifty cents a litre, this country would boom, and the revenue collected from an increased usage of fuel and the money being spent on other goods all with GST, would therefore increase revenue.
    The main reason would be this………………………
    The largest single private employer in this country is the transport industry, and cheaper fuel for transport in this huge country completely reliant on trucks more than other countries, would see the costs of everything fall.
    Everything.

    Our political elite are now the fattened pigs in the farmhouse, and we are being used as the slaves we are.

    They destroy the country with excessive taxes, and then tell us we need to drive unreliable, useless for purpose vehicles we must subsidies with our taxes even more.

    In a competitive free market, an electric car would not even be considered for manufacture as it could not compete on initial price and cost of running.

    We are to be forced to buy what is more expensive to run and own, especially when our taxes will go to those rich people who can afford the change and help them buy theirs, and run theirs?

    Let those pushing for EV’s, like numbers, who are crying for the environment, pay a special tax to subsidies EV’s, I’m sure they’d want to stand by their principles.

    Let them pay the EVVS Electric Vehicles Virtue Signaller’s Tax and only subsidies it with the amount collected by those paying it by choice.
    Should have EV’s subsidy spend running at around a dollar fifty

    Yet our taxes are wasted on SNIFFY McNBN’s, donations to the Clintons, and subsidised bullshit to compete against the very low cost way we would do things, if the government just fucked off in the fist place.

  185. feelthebern

    I’m sure there there are at least a few Essendon or Cronulla fans living in the seat of Warringah.
    Considering Zali was a big wig at ASADA, surely she has to come clean on the “darkest day in history”.
    What did she know & when did she know it.

  186. C.L.

    What a coincidence that the American altar boy was nicknamed “Billy” by the Rolling Stone journalist and Pell’s accuser was nicknamed “The Kid” by Milligan.

  187. zyconoclast

    Keith Windschuttle has a major new expose on the Pell trial at Quadrant.
    He has startling evidence Pell’s accuser and/or his handlers borrowed his entire bullshit story from Rolling Stone magazine – almost word for word.

    The Borrowed Testimony that Convicted George Pell.

    The NSW Government justified the ban on greyhound racing using old, foreign and fake animal cruelty stories.

  188. Percy Popinjay

    Can anyone here nominate a single sensible policy advocated by labor or the greenfilth?

    P.S. Any attempts to answer this question by a certain aged potato fondler will be routinely ignored.

  189. Overburdened

    IMO the plan to have punters sidetracked into focusing on the ev issue to prevent scrutiny of more fundamental real time issues is working perfectly.

  190. zyconoclast

    Can anyone here nominate a single sensible policy advocated by labor or the greenfilth?

    P.S. Any attempts to answer this question by a certain aged potato fondler will be routinely ignored.

    I’m surprised they haven’t used a version of the Yang $1000/month UBI.

  191. notafan

    In the United States the allegations made by “Billy Doe” made national headlines in 2011. Under his real name of Daniel Gallagher (at left), he was identified as an accuser whose testimony sent two Catholic priests and a school teacher to prison, as well as Monsignor William Lynn, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia’s secretary for clergy

    Abuse by three separate personal on different occasions?

    That reeks to high heaven

  192. Percy Popinjay

    IMO the plan to have punters sidetracked into focusing on the ev issue to prevent scrutiny of more fundamental real time issues is working perfectly.

    That might be so, but the EV unicorn is a classic example of the many parts that make up the entire rotten economy and quality of life killing package.

    These loathsome shitheads aren’t even bothering to hide it anymore. They plan to completely transform our way of life and not in a good way.

  193. notafan

    The EV isssue is part of the climate scam being pushed by green labor and some libs to their shame

    punters need to see it for what it is

    punishment for the plebian

  194. feelthebern

    Any news on the electric shock machine in the nun’s basement yet?
    Surely would be a hard piece of kit for the nuns to put out on the curb on bin night.

  195. notafan

    Milligan might have been too cute

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Black-hearted brides of IZIS can rot where they areJennifer Oriel
    Illustration: Eric Lobbecke
    Illustration: Eric Lobbecke

    1:00AM April 8, 2019
    Comments

    The women who left Australia for Izlamic State are not innocents abroad. They are traitors who surrendered their right of return when they enlisted in genocidal jihad. They chose terrorism over peace, enslavement over freedom, sharia law over liberal democracy and the coliphate over Australia. They violated the inherent hum­an rights of innocents in the most gruesome manner imaginable. Families rising up to defend the brides of Izlamic State genocide should hang their heads in shame.

    Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar were the most odious exports Australia has produced. The infamous jihodis became household names through the horrific abuse of women and children. Sharrouf groomed his offspring as child soldiers. They were used in Izlamic State propaganda, such as the shocking image of Sharrouf’s young son holding the head of a decapitated soldier.

    Consistent with Izlamic State doctrine, Sharrouf reared his sons as child soldiers and his daughter as a child bride. He married off 13-year-old Zaynab to his vile comrade Elomar. In 2017, Sharrouf became the first Australian to be stripped of citizenship under the government’s anti-terrorism laws.

    Many women and children have been left stateless by the fall of Izlamic State. Australian foreign fighters living in Syrian refugee camps include three men and 10 women. The Weekend Australian reported that there also are 19 children in the camps. Excluding four unidentified cases, the women and men would have been adults when they left the country to join Izlamic State.

    Many families of women who joined Izlamic State are pleading for public sympathy. Some are taking legal action to compel Western governments to permit their Islamist offspring to return. Lest we forget what the willing brides of Izlamic State genocide do to those in their care.

    In the al-Hol camp in Syria, almost all of the jihodi brides are foreign nationals who chose to join Izlamic State. A camp director told France24 some remain dangerous: “They’re ferocious, they burned some of the Syrians’ tents, they would call them cockroaches, infidels. They consider themselves as the only true Muzlims. So we had to separate them.”

    In 2015, security experts estimated 550 women from Western countries had voluntarily joined the caliphate. At the time, international news was saturated with stories about the extreme violence of Izlamic State fighters. They were staging public decapitations, burning people alive, raping wom­en and beheading children. They buried grandmothers with their children in mass graves. They tortured Christian children to punish parents. They tortured women for the fun of it and used the Koran as justification. In the midst of the hell, female foreigners poured in to Syria and Iraq to assist Izlamic State soldiers. They knew exactly where they were going and for what purpose. They played the essential role of sustaining the terrorist group to consolidate its territorial gains. Never underestimate female jihadis’ devotion to terror and talent for duplicity.

    Among the women of Australian origin seeking to return is Kirsty Rosse-Emile. Like other jihodi brides, she has a history of radicalism. As reported by news.com.au, she wrote social media posts praising Izlamist terrorism and demeaning women: “A woman who reveals her body or even wears tight-fitting clothes won’t come within 500 years of the smell of Jannah (paradise).” Her father believes the Prime Minister should return her to Australia and that such a decision would demonstrate “love, compassion and forgiveness”.

    From the Oz.

  197. notafan

    Everyone needs to use transport and most people drive

    It hits the hip pocket nerve

    much more real than ‘budget surplus’ and other esoteria for the ordinary person

    Remember ‘axe the tax’ won a landslide

  198. Percy Popinjay

    Everyone needs to use transport and most people drive. It hits the hip pocket nerve.

    Yep, it’s a “HOP Time” issue, as far as I’m concerned. Along with all the other frigging lunacy these collectivist idiots have planned for us.

  199. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.

    Not so convinced, similarities but not too much the same.
    At least the Yank one had an air of plausibility in that it didnt happen while the place was still full of parishioners, with the door open…

  200. Des Deskperson

    ‘I’d like to know how many labor green pollies and candidates are driving elective cars

    Surely you mean chauffeured, not driving.’

    MPs get both:

    They are entitled to chauffeured car travel on official business.

    They are also entitled to a private plated vehicle as part of their remuneration package. This comes with, for all practical purposes, unlimited mileage and free parking. The only caveat is that it can’t be used for commercial purposes

    Ministers, shadow ministers and heads of other parties are also entitled to an additional private-plated car for use in Canberra.

    B of N is right of course. No government would do anything that would restrict or make less attractive these entitlements.

  201. Roger

    File under “Big Australia, they haven’t thought it through”:

    ABC reports fruit and veg industry reps warning prices could double or triple over the next 10 years.

    Result of pressure on agricultural land on urban fringes, water costs (but note we don’t have a water supply problem but a water storage problem) and capital costs of adapting production to meet these challenges.

    Interestingly, they don’t factor in the cost of compliance with Paris Agreement measures which will require a significant decrease in production across the agricultural sector.

  202. C.L.

    … similarities but not too much the same.

    Exactly. That’s exactly what a plagiarist does.

  203. Percy Popinjay

    elective cars

    LOL.

  204. thefrollickingmole

    The one … and only.
    https://news.grabien.com/story-new-record-obama-mentions-himself-467-times-during-berlin-to

    “I” — 274

    “Me” — 25

    “My” — 31

    “I’d” — 9

    “I’m” — 41

    “Myself” — 7

    “Obama” — 5

  205. struth

    IMO the plan to have punters sidetracked into focusing on the ev issue to prevent scrutiny of more fundamental real time issues is working perfectly.

    This is true, but it’s so ridiculous it’s attack worthy.
    Usually the Labor party just focus on scary medicare and school funding lies.

    It’s not a winner for them and just because the left are magically thinking it is, it isn’t.

    It’s inner city insulated insanity, and those people already vote left.
    It ain’t gunna fly from the suburbs out, it’s so much worse than the GST cake joke, yet media are supporting it.
    Australians aren’t buying what the media are telling them anymore.
    And now, in numbers that matter.
    The ABC have shown their colours.
    Morning shows have rid themselves of any males and have gone insane, people don’t watch this shit in large numbers and even less believe what they are told.
    I’m just watching for the weather, you might hear, or what a bunch of wankers these guys are, if you happen to see it on.
    We aren’t going to be the States and fight, but typically lethargic in comparison, we will calmly walk away from the lunacy of the MSM.

    This election, they aren’t framing the narrative as much as they were, and it really is the question I’m asking, how much has Trump caused Australians to question their own media?
    Social media has had more years to become dominant.
    Because if he has, then we will have won something out of a Trump Presidency, here in Australia.

  206. DrBeauGan

    The Cory Bernardi AC ad would have been good if it come at the end of a series of his being portrayed as a devil from hell by the media for his outrageous opinions. As it stands, it’s a total waste of money. So, he’s a nice guy. He’d have done better to come across as a mean bastard who is on the taxpayer’s side.

    Face it, Cory’s wet.

  207. Percy Popinjay

    Was Teats Peanuthead driving an EV when he sideswiped all those stationary vehicles in Melbourne while sexting and driving?

  208. Percy Popinjay

    how much has Trump caused Australians to question their own media?

    Very little, if labor’s latest 2PP polling is any guide. With the policies they’re advocating they should be unelectable.

  209. C.L.

    I’ve often wondered why Milligan would give the accuser the otherwise disrespectful, infantilising, unnecessarily narrative nom de plume, “The Kid.” Unless, of course, he chose it for himself – in which case the obvious descriptive connection to “Billy” is either an act of unconscious word association by somebody with a low IQ or an act of hubristic trolling indicative of sociopathy.

  210. notafan

    The ‘Billy the Kid’ this is fascinating

    what are the chances?

    The first accuser name is Daniel, so not a natural nickname

    Wonder if Milli Micturition has a RS subscription

  211. notafan

    Was Teats Peanuthead driving an EV when he sideswiped all those stationary vehicles in Melbourne while sexting and driving?

    nope the Colt he inherited from his mother

  212. A Rambler government, if elected*, would abolish ALL energy taxes and subsidies.

    No excise, no RETs …

    Furthermore, the climate trials will begin within 90 days of being elected.
    Climate scamsters will face penalties ranging from 30 years to execution.

    * with help from Dr. Fred Lenin preferences

  213. notafan

    Who came up with ‘The Kid’ Milligan or the accuser

  214. Farmer Gez

    Reporting ABC style.
    Vegan protestor spokesthing gets to air the grievance.
    A couple of vox pops with one in favour of the cause but not happy with the hold up.
    ScoMo given a run and sounding angry.
    Rural Lib saying it’s OK to be Vegan as long as you don’t force it on others.

    The targets of the protest, farmers and meat works not asked or heard from. No personal stories of hardship to confuse the voter with an election looming.

  215. Percy Popinjay

    You’ve got to hand it to Rolling Stone – it would have an almost nonexistent global readership, but it’s still flogging the climate change scare.

    Wildlife Photographer Paul Nicklen Captures a Vanishing Arctic

  216. Dr Faustus

    Interestingly, they don’t factor in the cost of compliance with Paris Agreement measures which will require a significant decrease in production across the agricultural sector.

    And the increasing production cost of not having the more expensive power on all the time.

  217. thefrollickingmole

    Farmer Gez

    So no-one from that goat cafe forced out of business to interrupt the narrative then?

    How very ABC of them.

    Is there any one of the popular pieties the ABC isnt on side with?
    Is there any major issue where you have been blindsided by the editorial line their ABC chooses to take?

    From ‘fugees to enviro to unions their ABC never fails to add the Vaseline to the lens, similarly and “opposition” is sure to feel the full weight of the billion dollar bully pulpit, “devil eyes”, outsourced entrapment & “Dun Dun Dun” background music mustered against them.

  218. Farmer Gez

    ABC now pretending that EV cars will be built in Adelaide thanks to wee Bill’s policy.
    The car making scene is ripe for entrepreneurs, we are told.
    Must be some lib seats for the taking in South Australia.

  219. Overburdened

    Agree that ev’s, vegans, etc are all tentacles of the same critter.

    As I have remarked in other circumstances, anyone hammering on about vegan because meat is cruel should hop into a cage of hungry lions, hyenas, etc and convince them that eating meat is bad.

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten’s claim that an electric car can be fully charged in 10 minutes proved wrong
    Jack Houghton, The Daily Telegraph
    April 7, 2019 9:14pm
    Subscriber only

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten would only be able to drive an entry-level electric car for 9.5km on 10 minutes of charge from his Melbourne home in Moonee Ponds.

    The electricity, sourced from a standard home port, would give Mr Shorten just enough juice to roll into the city’s CBD, which is only 7km away, but he wouldn’t be able to make the return trip.

    Mr Shorten last week claimed drivers could fully charge their electric vehicles in just 10 minutes but analysis of the driving capabilities of entry-level vehicles shows that claim to be inaccurate for most vehicles and charging stations.

    Instead, those who fork out $45,000 on the cheapest electric vehicle, a Hyundai Ioniq, need to wait four hours for a complete charge in a standard home port.

    This gives them a maximum driving range of 230km, or 57.5km for every hour of charge.

    The figures present a problem for Labor’s Shadow Environment Minister Tony Burke, who would barely get halfway from his home in Punchbowl to Sydney’s CBD on 10 minutes of charge.

    Instead, his car would probably roll to a stop around Marrickville, 11km away.

    Mr Burke said the charge time wouldn’t be an issue for him because he prefers to catch public transport.

    “Technology is constantly improving and I usually walk to Punchbowl and catch the train,” he said.

  221. notafan

    “Technology is constantly improving and I usually walk to Punchbowl and catch the train,” he said.

    of course

    Except when he flies first class or is in Canberra

  222. Roger

    Yangan QLD abattoir owners the Carey brothers will press for charges against vegan trespassers, calling their actions “unAustralian” and an attack on their employees and livelihood.

    Police declined to arrest any of the activists.

  223. feelthebern

    ABC now pretending that EV cars will be built in Adelaide thanks to wee Bill’s policy.

    You have to hand it to the ABC & ALP.
    When they go a full court press on something, it’s hard to stop.
    The Libs are too stupid to attack the policy or make it a punchline of a joke.

  224. Percy Popinjay

    he prefers to catch public transport

    Oh, bullshit.

  225. thefrollickingmole

    This gives them a maximum driving range of 230km, or 57.5km for every hour of charge.

    Excellent, Ill be nearly 1/2 way to the closest town.
    Adding 2 hours in the middle of my 5 hour drive will be just awesome.

    Unless i use the air con…

  226. John Constantine

    Comb Over Bill shorten.

    His integrity thinning under pressure like his forehead.

    Comrades.

  227. feelthebern

    Agree that ev’s, vegans, etc are all tentacles of the same critter.

    Err…that’s a long bow.

  228. feelthebern

    “Technology is constantly improving and I usually walk to Punchbowl and catch the train,” he said.

    If he did that, how would he have had time to bone his chief of staff behind his wife’s back ?

  229. Percy Popinjay

    EV cars will be built in Adelaide

    Along with the Groom of the Stool’s solar and wind powered Frog subs.

  230. notafan

    Tony has a leased private plated vehicle

    What a tosser

    where is he getting the train to from Punchbowl

    his electoral office?

  231. feelthebern

    ABC news breaking news:
    “Is Bill Shorten the sexiest man alive?”

  232. mh

    Vegan protesters who brought a key Melbourne intersection to a standstill – part of nationwide action targeting farms and abattoirs – have been forcibly removed.

    Is Vicpol going to invoice farmers and abattoir owners?

  233. Percy Popinjay

    where is he getting the train to from Punchbowl

    Lahemba so he can visit his mosquey constituents and kiss their flabby behinds.

  234. notafan

    Don’t forget Tony burke by 2015 had billed the taxpayer 2.2 million for travel

  235. Farmer Gez

    The rule of thumb for the usefulness of EVs should be emergency vehicles. There’s not a chance in hell that an ambulance or fire truck will be electric.

  236. feelthebern

    Is Vicpol going to invoice farmers and abattoir owners?

    Well played, MH.
    Well played.

  237. feelthebern

    Don’t forget Tony burke by 2015 had billed the taxpayer 2.2 million for travel

    Well his chief of staff did like the fr0nt end of the plane.
    Almost as much as she liked the front end of his penis.

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