Open Forum: April 27, 2019

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  1. Nelson Kidd-Players

    What happened to Rabz, who managed to get a song in before anyone else posted?

  2. Mitch M.

    Infidel Tiger
    #2998330, posted on April 27, 2019 at 12:01 am
    Definitely.

    Family Court is full of broken and damaged people.

    No fan of the legal profession?

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I claim this thread in the name of Henry the Eighth. There was a man who knew what to do with ex-wives, and never mind the Family Law Court.

  4. Mitch M.

    Not everyone is as likeable as me.
    It’s a skill.
    To be honest I don’t know if it is very transferable.
    My situation is very unique.

    Not everyone is as disdainful as me.
    It’s a gift.
    To be honest I wouldn’t have it any other way.
    My situation is not that uncommon among my friends.

  5. Rossini

    Well I made it to the top 10!

  6. Rossini

    Liberals must be in a little bother in the electrate where I stay as we have had quite a few green/labor attack notices in the mail box. A ” well off” seat as there is a lot of “green” posters “hanging” around the fences.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    How appropriate.
    My Family Court rant is orphaned on the old dead-end thread.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    No fan of the legal profession?

    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

  9. Leigh Lowe

    No fan of the legal profession?

    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

    Exhibit A …
    This is yuuuuge.
    A Massachusetts state judge indicted for springing a Sanctuary City wet-back rapist.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    No fan of the legal profession?

    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

    Exhibit A …
    This is yuuuuge.
    A Massachusetts state judge indicted for springing a Sanctuary City wet-back [email protected]

  11. Leigh Lowe

    No fan of the legal profession?

    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

    Exhibit A …
    <a href="No fan of the legal profession?
    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

    Exhibit A …
    This is yuuuuge.

    A Massachusetts state judge indicted for springing a Sanctuary City w3t-back r @ pist.

  12. Baldrick

    Thanks Tom. Ramirez wins today.

  13. Atoms for Peace

    Where are all of our drunks and fornicators?

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    Where are all of our drunks and fornicators?

    At breakfast with Beelzeebub?

  15. bespoke

    Paul Zanetti , Tom

    Ill stick to supporting policy’s not hucksters.

  16. feelthebern

    Ragu, what state are you in?
    Divorce is a war.
    Prepare accordingly.
    You need to rip up money on a lawyer, a real junk yard dog.
    If you don’t, you’re up shit creek before it starts.
    Remember, you get no credit for being a nice guy or right.

  17. feelthebern

    State employee signs a $US93 million over 10 year contract.
    Clemson (public college) football coach Dabo Swinney just signed this deal.
    The players on his roster are get:
    free tuition;
    free board;
    a meal allowance.
    Three Clemson players went first round in the NFL draft yesterday.
    There are 105 players on a college football roster.

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bit of a thread in the US cartoons today. It’s a mystery…Joe says he’s sparkly clean and yummy!

    Joe Biden says his proudest moment of Obama’s presidency was ‘not one whisper of scandal’

    Former vice president and newly-minted 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden appeared on “The View” on Friday morning and told hosts that his proudest moment of serving with President Barack Obama was that there was “not one whisper” of scandal during the time they served together in the White House.

    Biden said that, coincidentally, he and Obama both told press on the same day while in different parts of the country that the thing they were most proud of while in the White House was that there was “not one whisper of a scandal.”

    How’s that for going the big lie on day one?

  19. Mark M

    Bet she’s thinkin’ ’bout him now … He has free rent in her head …

    Hillary Clinton so far ahead in polls that she ‘doesn’t even think about’ Donald Trump anymore 

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/23/hillary-clinton-so-far-ahead-in-polls-that-doesnt-even-think-abo/

    How we should respond to Mueller report – hillary clinton april 25, 2019

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/how-we-should-respond-to-mueller-report-20190425-p51h0y.html

  20. feelthebern

    The Roger Scruton recording has been released.
    https://my.sonix.ai/r/jgy2fvS2Ua3fMKKgvLV1khjA

    The New Statesmen journo has been stood down for his column.
    The New Statesmen also released a doctored transcript of the interview, which they thought no one would notice.

  21. calli

    Ragu. So sorry to hear of your troubles. I will stand in for dear Dr. Martyr and direct you to Chumplady.com. Mostly women, but some men too. A bit of venting, but some gems of wisdom in navigating the emotional and practical side of a bust-up.

    Sadly, you are not alone. All the Cats here have given wise advice based on their personal experience. You are unique, so pick out the stuff that’s applicable to you.

  22. calli

    there was “not one whisper” of scandal during the time they served together in the White House.

    Yes. Right. Sure.

    Ambassador Stevens was not available for comment.

  23. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten’s off the road vehicles

    Anna Caldwell, The Daily Telegraph

    Some of Australia’s favourite cars could become extinct on the roads if Bill Shorten pushes strict Euro-style emissions standards.

    The Coalition will today identify cars that it believes are on “Bill’s hit list” — vehicles that are not offered under Europe’s and the UK’s strict emissions standards.

    These include Toyota’s Kluger, Land Cruiser SUV and Ute, and Tarago models, Nissan’s Pathfinder and Patrol and Ford’s Everest and the Ranger’s Raptor and Wild Track models.

    Energy Minister Angus Taylor said “Bill Shorten and Labor’s car tax will see a host of popular vehicles and engines Australians want stripped away from them”.

    Mr Shorten has accused the government of mounting a “scare campaign” over cars.

    The EU has already phased in a vehicle emissions target of 130 grams of carbon per km, with an plan to move to 95g/km by 2020.

    A Shorten Labor government wants to move Australia towards a target of 105g/km.

    The Coalition will argue that not only are the European car market and roadways vastly different to Australia, but also that the European and UK experience proves popular models of Australian cars could be phased out.

    An analysis of the UK vehicle market conducted by the Coalition found that most purchases as sub-compact small cars, making it easier for automakers to meet emissions standards.

    Overall, the European market offered fewer models and fewer engine variants in Australia’s most popular brands.

    It found that of the top 10 vehicles sold in Australia, many of their equivalent in the UK market was sold without the model or engine options preferred by Australians.

    For example, the top car sold in Australia — the Toyota Hilux midsize pick-up — was not available in 2.8L turbo diesel and petrol models in the UK.

    The Ford Ranger is not available in ‘Wildtrack’ and ‘Raptor’ models in the UK and the Toyota Corolla is not available in the cheaper 2L petrol engine in the UK.

    And the Mazda3 is not available in the larger 2.5L engine in the UK.

    he most popular vehicles in the EU are mostly compact or super mini models, such as the Volkswagen Golf, Renault Clio, Volkswagen Polo and Ford Fiesta.

    Mr Shorten has said he would not mandate his electric vehicle targets and would consult on a timeline to phase in his emissions standards.

    “Let’s just kill off this scare campaign once and for all. Labor doesn’t mind what car you drive,” he said this week.

    “But what I do mind is if we have a government, a climate-denying, stuck in the past, technophobic government afraid of new technology denying Australians new car models and cheaper options in terms of petrol and maintenance which we see from this.”

    Mr Taylor said Labor’s policy was “a tax on the vehicle you choose to drive, the vehicle you want to tow your boat, caravan, camper trailer, the car you can fit your family in or the car you want to take off road.”

  24. Twostix

    I notice that all the fraser anning stories are showing a photo of the bare chested tatooed up neo nazi looking body builder photographer to give the impression he was the anning supporter (just look at these beastly people!)

    Which is funny as I bet he himself is a massive sjw cuck. The calculation done in news and Google editing depts must have been soviet like! “He is a hero yes, but a true sjw brother would understand his image is too perfect to not make use of in our readers minds, few will read the story all will see the headline and the picture!”

    So he bevomes the deplorable.

  25. C.L.

    The most (unintentionally) hilarious thing I’ve read this week …
    ABC Online: How philosophy inspired Julienne van Loon to leave her partner and quit her job.
    van Loon by name …

  26. OldOzzie

    Zali Steggall ‘joined at hip’ to GetUp

    Brad Norington
    ASSOCIATE EDITOR


    Zali Steggall has publicly walked away from GetUp amid fallout over its ad depicting Tony Abbott as a lifesaver refusing to help a drowning man. But she seems ­reluctant to knock back hundreds of campaign volunteers signed up by the activist group.

    A claim by the independent candidate rated a chance of defeating Mr Abbott in Warringah that “I don’t have anything to do with GetUp” was attacked by the former prime minister’s supporters yesterday as a trick to play down her connections and campaign backing. Abbott supporters pointed to news reports soon after Ms Steggall announced her run in late January that GetUp had “signed up hundreds of volunteers to doorknock across Warringah, man phone banks and hand out how-to-vote cards”.

    Tim James, close to Mr Abbott and a critic of Ms Steggall’s claimed independent status, said the lawyer and former Olympic skier could also not reasonably deny GetUp links when she had been chosen as the preferred candidate by activist groups including GetUp and its local chapter in Warringah.

    Local anti-Abbott groups banded together late last year to pick an independent candidate with the best prospect of ousting Mr Abbott from the Sydney northern beaches seat he has held for 25 years. When Ms Steggall put her name forward, they endorsed her. Mr James claimed Ms Steggall was “joined at the hip” to GetUp. He said her campaign policy priorities were almost identical, while her campaign co-manager Louise Hislop was a known GetUp supporter in contact with the group’s activists.

    “She is aligned 100 per cent with GetUp priorities,” he said.

    Ms Steggall dismissed claims she was connected to GetUp as “a litany of basic factual errors”.

    Shown a list of alleged links, a spokesman for Ms Steggall said: “None of these claims have any basis in fact. Mr James’s conspiracy theories are once again just more smear and fear tactics.”

    Asked further if Ms Steggall, in denying links to GetUp after its withdrawn ad, would also disavow support from hundreds of GetUp volunteers signed up to support her, the independent’s spokesman said: “Ms Steggall has already given on-the-record responses to this.” He did not elaborate.

    In a now-deleted tweet following airing of the GetUp ad, key Steggall supporter Coleen McKinnon was effusive: “Times have changed Tony. Why haven’t you? Clever ad @GetUp! Good job @Comedian Jonas!!”

    Mr James said Ms Steggall had five “core” policy priorities that mirrored GetUp’s: a safe and healthy climate, protecting the Great Barrier Reef, stopping the Adani coalmine, defending asylum-seekers and holding government to account.

    He said Ms Hislop had been ­reported as a member of GetUp’s “Warringah Action Group” list which shared campaign information using an invitation-only encrypted messaging app.

    Before joining the Steggall campaign, Ms Hislop started a local activist group called Australian Progressives and credited ­former GetUp campaign director Sally Rugg for her “self-education and improvement”.

    Ms Hislop was spotted at GetUp’s Warringah campaign launch.

    From The Comments

    – Don
    35 minutes ago
    I am sure I saw a few days ago where it was quoted that she did not agree with the ad, and denied even having seen it. That statement in itself shows her lack of honesty.

    – Lloyd
    32 minutes ago
    SKIING and it’s down hill from here.

    Wife

    – stephen
    1 hour ago
    Zali has no significant policy conviction. This would be confirmed by just talking to her in a few minutes. She has the usual motherhood statements that she has rehearsed but ask her a few questions and she starts to waver and sounds pretty hollow to me. It is therefore no real surprise that she refuses to debate TA. Wish that more Warringah voters would meet her before the election

  27. Geriatric Mayfly

    The NYT brings good news to start the day.

    Australian officials are killing millions of feral cats by airdropping frozen sausages laced with poison across the Outback. The felines die within 15 minutes of ingesting the toxic treats, which are produced at a factory close to Perth. But in a bid to kill as many as possible, officials also trap and shoot the creatures.
    The sausages are made with kangaroo meat, chicken fat, herbs, spices and the poison, 1080, the New York Times reported.

  28. C.L.

    A near perfect exemplar of an ABC ‘man’:

    It was 3am, the week before my end-of-semester exam, when the trailer came out.

    As I lay in bed watching the snippet of this film, I could feel the adrenaline rushing through me.

    The orchestra, the drumline, the dazzling dancers and finally Beyoncé in her shimmering regalia and magnificent headdress — it was all too much to absorb.

    Without a care in the world as to what time of day it was, I immediately shared it on all my social media.

    I watched the clip over and over as I slowly drifted off to sleep.

    The documentary in question was Netflix’s Homecoming: A film by Beyoncé, which provides an intimate look behind the scenes of her iconic 2018 Coachella performance — the first black woman to headline this pinnacle music festival.

    When I finally got to watch the film, two days after my exam, it was more than I ever expected.

    I was so proud to call myself a fan.

    As a young Australian man, I might seem like an unlikely Beyoncé fan. But why is this the case?

    Perhaps toxic masculinity has left men apprehensive at supporting strong, female popstars, fearing we’ll be labelled feminine for doing so.

    But it’s essential to break down these barriers. With significantly fewer female artists, songwriters and producers, it becomes even more important to celebrate women in the industry to inspire the next generation of female artists.

    Beyonce’s Homecoming shows why we should all be fans.

  29. vr

    Oops I posted the following tin the old thread. RTWT in the Journal.

    Persecuted Christians and Their Quiescent Leaders

    Last week, I wrote about the West’s unerring capacity for self-immolation. Forgive me for returning to the subject, but last weekend’s massacre in Sri Lanka has underscored how self-destructive our elites can be.

    When 250 people were killed by suicide bombers, many of them as they attended Easter Sunday services, it was a harrowing reminder of the intensifying persecution of Christians around the world. The slaughter followed similar assaults in Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, Indonesia and a dozen other countries in the past year alone. According to a recent Pew Research study, Christians are the most widely harassed faithful on Earth. They were attacked for their religion in 144 countries in 2016, more than Muslims, Jews or any other group.

    So you would think that the latest horror might induce the official Christian leadership to speak out in defense of their people. John Sentamu, the archbishop of York—the second-highest-ranking cleric in the Anglican communion—had an opportunity. Interviewed on the BBC on Monday, he was asked if this was now a moment to plant a flag for Christians who find themselves under siege.

    The archbishop whiffed. “Violence of any sort, to any community, any group, is totally unacceptable. The flag I want to fly is a flag of peace,” he said. Along with the Catholic cardinal of Colombo, he wanted to “ask Christians to refrain from taking any retributory steps against their Muslim brothers.”

    One of the most prominent pastors in the world, faced with the scattering of his flock by a pack of murderous wolves, manages to avoid blaming the perpetrators for the carnage and actually worries aloud that the problem might actually be the Christians. Quite a feat after 300 or so of your coreligionists have been blown to bits by supporters of a fanatical religious ideology. Jesus wept, as the Bible tells us.

    Why does this keep happening? To be fair, part of the explanation is that this is the very essence of the Christian message: Turn the other cheek. Find the beam in our own eye before pointing to the mote in others. As a creed for individual living, it is imperfectible. But for an entire community under attack, it’s a recipe for self-extinction.

  30. calli

    The Coalition will argue that not only are the European car market and roadways vastly different to Australia, but also that the European and UK experience proves popular models of Australian cars could be phased out.

    This is what sh*ts me to tears about Labor (and the Greens). They are out of touch with Australia, living in some sort of 1950’s socialist bubble.

    Clue One was the reaction to the high-paid hi-viz Wokka at the coal loader. It never occurred to the Peanut that these guys are in the Big End of Town.

    Clue Two is the emissions issue. They see Aussies as back water hicks who have never travelled overseas. They think the “they do it in Europe” shyte will have some sort of traction in the electorate.

    They are remote, we-know-better-than-you elites, and they take the proles for fools. And the proles lap up the narrative because that’s just what they are.

  31. vr

    Persecuted Christians and Their Quiescent Leaders

    Interesting article in the journal. Snippets are getting moderated. Here is the last few paragraphs.

    This would be absurd even if the people who were being murdered in their hundreds each year were indeed wealthy white Christians in stately homes and colonial mansions. Yet, as the bishop went on to point out, the vast majority of Christians suffering today aren’t white wealthy Westerners. Most are from the relatively poor global South: Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Latin America. To their already unsupportable lot of grinding poverty, they must add the risk of being assaulted by governments, religious vigilantes, gangs and others.

    To compound their plight, it seems many Christian leaders in the West are so afraid to upset the politically correct crowd who control the media and cultural establishment that they won’t even speak out. These clerics often find it more congenial to weigh in forcefully on other issues of pressing concern, where they know they’re in no danger of losing invitations for TV interviews and fancy premieres.

    I would respectfully suggest to the bishops of the Anglican persuasion—and quite a few of their Catholic brethren too—that however serious and acute you might think the threat of climate change or workplace discrimination, the larger and more immediate threat to Christians in many parts of the world is that they might not get through their next church service without someone dispatching them to eternity to shouts of “Allahu akbar.”

    Addressing the rising threat of persecution will require concerted and complex action, policies enacted by governments to isolate and pursue the murderers and those who abet them, and direct support of threatened communities. None of that will be easy. But surely it must start with a willingness by church leaders to call the threat what it is.

  32. OldOzzie

    Mediscare calls for payback – let’s talk death taxes

    Judith Sloan

    It’s a bit rich for the Labor Party to complain about a low-level scare campaign being waged over the possible introduction by the ALP of death taxes. During the 2016 election campaign, Labor ran with the bizarre idea that Medicare was to be privatised by the Coalition. The mother of all scare campaigns had its own name: Mediscare.

    It culminated on the eve of election day when a phone mes­sage was sent to millions of voters, purportedly from Medicare. It read: “Mr Turnbull’s plans to privatise Medicare will take us down the road of no return. Time is running out to save Medicare.”

    It was completely bogus, although no one was charged in connection with the fraud.

    Just imagine if this time a mes­sage went out that read: “Bill Shorten plans to introduce death taxes. Time is running out to get your affairs in order.”

    This time the message would purportedly be from the Australian Taxation Office. Labor would scream blue murder.

    In summing up what happened last time, Nicholas Reece, former Victorian Labor secretary and adviser to prime minister Julia Gillard, wrote: “After the longest election campaign in Australian history, this is where it had landed: (Malcolm) Turnbull debating on Labor’s turf, denying claims about cuts and plans to privatise Medicare … It says a lot about Labor’s strategic success in making Medicare a key election issue.

    “But, more than anything, it is a reminder of just how potent a well-developed and executed scare campaign can be in an electoral contest.”

    It’s not clear that the possible introduction of death taxes has the same potency as Mediscare. But the Coalition’s attack on Labor’s broader plans to hike taxes — think negative gearing, capital gains, franking credits, the taxation of trusts, higher top marginal tax rates — may be gaining traction. Throwing the possibility of death taxes into the mix could work as a tactic.

    Let’s not forget that Labor’s assistant Treasury spokesman Andrew Leigh was once a great supporter of death taxes, having written on the topic when he was a professor of economics. It’s there in writing, never to be erased.

    Let’s also not think that support for death taxes stops with Leigh. The Grattan Institute, which has never rejected a new or higher tax in its decade-long advocacy of left-wing causes, is gung-ho about introducing — more accurately, reintroducing — death taxes. Several trade union officials have publicly supported death taxes.

    John Mangan, a professor at the University of Queensland, has even claimed “it’s worth drawing attention to a substantial consensus among economists that (death taxes) are something we need”. (It’s a bit like the scientific consensus on climate change.)

    Let me be clear: death taxes are an extremely bad idea. They were dumped in this country for sound reasons. The idea that people don’t care about death taxes because they are dead is just puerile.

    People know they are going to die and many are motivated by a strong desire to leave a bequest to their loved ones. This motivation is also an important impetus to capital accumulation that benefits the economy.

    By way of background, there were specific death duties at the state and federal level until the late 1970s. Queensland led the charge by eliminating the state levies and all the other states followed suit. Commonwealth death taxes were also removed.

    Before you get too excited, though, you should be aware that forms of death taxes continue to operate here. The first is the transmission of capital gains tax liabilities from the deceased owner to beneficiaries, which is triggered on the sale of the assets.

    The second is the levying of a 15 per cent tax on bequeathed superannuation balances to non-dependent beneficiaries.

    When judging any tax, the key criteria are efficiency, equity and simplicity. Efficiency refers to the loss of output that arises from the imposition of the tax — it is called the deadweight loss or excess burden. The general rule is that taxes with lower deadweight losses are to be preferred over those with higher ones, all else being equal.

    We don’t have accurate estimates of these losses for death taxes. We do, however, know that when countries introduce death taxes, there is a surge in complex estate planning so the taxes can be largely avoided.

    Although it is true that 19 OECD countries levy forms of death duties, relatively little revenue is raised, in part because there are often exemptions. It is also interesting to note that Sweden, which generally is regarded as a bastion of equality, eliminated its death taxes altogether.

    Where people work hard, save and invest, in part so their loved ones can benefit after they die, there is a clear economy-wide benefit. US economist Larry Summers has demonstrated for that country that intergenerational transfers are the primary motive for capital accumulation

    Another point that is made in this debate is that the revenue raised from death taxes could be used to lower more distorting taxes such as income or company taxes. But unless these changes are explicitly linked, it’s much likelier that the additional revenue would be used for other purposes.

    Investment in estate planning is just one example of the administrative costs of death taxes. Another is the possible need to introduce gift taxes to complement death taxes. This was raised as an issue in the Henry tax review, commissioned by Labor and released in 2010.

    While advocating a limited form of death taxes, the review also noted there would be a need for gift taxes to avoid estates being bequeathed before death. Gift taxes are costly and messy to administer.

    So what about fairness? This issue is very much in the eye of the beholder. One point of view is that beneficiaries have done nothing to deserve such luck and should therefore be taxed so the revenue can be redistributed to those who are not so lucky.

    In this way, the extent to which wealth inequality is transmitted across the generations can be ­limited.

    The alternative view is that the bequest motive is completely legitimate and it’s unfair to single out people who are driven by this objective and who pay taxes like everyone else while they are alive. After all, their beneficiaries will be taxed, including on any capital gains. In any case, the evidence is clear that small inheritances are quickly used by beneficiaries — mainly to pay down debt — and it is only larger inheritances that remain intact and are invested.

    The bottom line is that the reintroduction of death taxes in Australia is a really stupid idea, particularly since we already have forms of death duties.

    But in light of the fact Labor is prepared to turn our tax arrangements on their head in other areas, such as eliminating nearly all negative gearing, it’s not unthinkable that death taxes are on its secret agenda. The Greens also would have no problem in waving the legislation through. It sounds a bit scary.

    Contributing Economics Editor Melbourne

    Judith Sloan is an economist and company director. She holds degrees from the University of Melbourne and the London School of Economics. She has held a number of government appointments, including Commissioner of the Productivity Commission; Commissioner of the Australian Fair Pay Commission; and Deputy Chairman of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

  33. bespoke

    calli

    I don’t like group therapy as whatever practical advice gets smothered in the competition for who the most badly done by.

  34. Nick

    Australian officials are killing millions of feral cats by airdropping frozen sausages laced with poison across the Outback. The felines die within 15 minutes of ingesting the toxic treats, which are produced at a factory close to Perth. But in a bid to kill as many as possible, officials also trap and shoot the creatures.

    Those vegan sausages have a use after all.

  35. OldOzzie

    The Australian Editorial

    GetUp trolls stalking election


    Three weeks from polling day, the calls are out. Volunteers are knocking on doors and staffing phone banks in a push to reach more than a million voters. Discipline is tight. “Action groups” follow scripts and handbooks. Several components of the democratic election process are missing, however. There is no party, no policies and no transparency. Few Australians could identify the leader of the organisation in question. Readers, however, will know that GetUp national director Paul Oosting made a goose of himself in a recent ABC radio interview when he demonised Josh Frydenberg for being “part of the coup that removed Malcolm Turnbull” (which he was not), then referred to the Treasurer as the “deputy prime minister” and “fin­ance minister”. GetUp’s “conversation guide” now targets Mr Frydenberg as “part of the chaos in Canberra”.

    Mr Oosting’s general knowledge is as scant as GetUp’s policy solutions. For all its obsession with climate change, its vision for “a safe climate and a vibrant natural world preserved for future generations” is no more than what all Australians want. Its credibility evaporates when substantive, affordable solutions are needed.

    A record 96.8 per cent of eligible Australians are enrolled to vote on May 18, a healthy sign of engagement with the democratic process. But unlike candidates presenting themselves and their policies for scrutiny, GetUp’s modus operandi is covert. It is mired in negativity and personal attacks, of which the loathsome ad depicting Tony Abbott, a long-time lifesaver, refusing to rescue a drowning swimmer, then laughing about it, was a dire example. As Paul Kelly writes today, GetUp exists “solely to get people unelected’’.

    GetUp’s stated objective is to “kick out … a small group of hard-right MPs”, of which Mr Abbott and Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton are the prime targets. Its trolling is far more widespread, however, and always directed at Coalition candidates, socially conservative or not. These include Mr Frydenberg, whose opponents include Greens candidate Julian Burnside. In Wentworth, GetUp is backing independent Kerryn Phelps against the Liberals’ Dave Sharma.

    In 2016, The Australian reported that GetUp had ­accepted more than $300,000 in foreign donations. That year, GetUp mounted an immense logistic exercise ahead of federal election day, producing a million flyers and boxed kits of beanies, T-shirts, placards and how-to-vote cards. Booth captains co-ordinated rosters and kept tabs on volunteers, aiming for a minimum of 10 per booth — all on behalf of an opaque, insidious and unaccountable organisation.

    As Brad Norington wrote recently, the Australian Electoral Commission found GetUp “prima facie” to be an associated entity of Labor or the Greens in a detaile­d investigation during the 2016 election. But that preliminary finding, which would have imposed tougher financial disclosur­e on GetUp, was later reversed. For all GetUp’s pretensions about its million “members” exercising “grassroots” people power, the mugs in garish orange doling out how-to-vote cards and reciting set scripts into the phone are at the bottom of a tightly controlled entity. GetUp’s only full members, Norington has reported, are its nine directors, five of whom are Labor members or formerly active in the party. The rest are social activists. GetUp is undemocratic and a blight on our robust electoral process.

  36. Twostix

    The bugman class and its lick spittles are an anachronism.

    Hanging onto the post 1950’s globalised order like tories in the 1920’s held on to Big Empire Imoerial Victorianism.

    They’ll pass every law and use every institution to prop up their long spent power structure. But reality wont wait.

  37. C.L.

    Australian officials are killing millions of feral cats by airdropping frozen sausages laced with poison across the Outback. The felines die within 15 minutes of ingesting the toxic treats, which are produced at a factory close to Perth.

    They should sausage bomb those vegan mobs while they’re at it.

  38. calli

    Yes, bespoke.

    I tend to sort out problems on my knees these days. Surprising how well that works. It’s an option available for everyone but obviously not everyone wants to take it up.

    However, in amongst all the dross of other people’s stories there can be some real gems. Cats are by and large sensible people with a vast and varied life experience. And they are kind when kindness matters.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    However, in amongst all the dross of other people’s stories there can be some real gems. Cats are by and large sensible people with a vast and varied life experience. And they are kind when kindness matters.

    I’m not.

  40. Makka

    Surprising how well that works.

    Indeed. I’m regularly surprised but know I shouldn’t be. I’ll keep at it.

  41. Black Ball

    Feeltheburn quite amazing that the college players in any NCAA Tournament receive no compensation for the shows they put on each week. Television rights, admission to games make college sports very lucrative yet those who provide the product get nothing.

  42. Notafan

    Interesting point made by Judith.

    No point in accumulating assets to leave your children if the government is going to take a mighty whack.

    Dribble it out as gifts under the threshold and blow the rest.

    No-one is going to hand Tax Bill and Do as I say Dick a penny more than they have to.

    Not a single scheme by either, removal of the private health insurance rebate, removal of negative gearing capping of accountancy fees will have any real effect on their bottom line.

    Australians are well aware of how much they already pay in tax; income tax, GST, council rates, stamp duty, electricity bills, fuel excise, car registration, you name it; we are slugged.

  43. Black Ball

    And turn the tv on to Sunrise where the female presenter breathlessly reports that we have had once in 50 years storm event along Bells Beach and that coastline. Really?

  44. C.L.

    Where’s Monty?
    Sausage-bombed?

    Get in here Monty and apologise for everything.

  45. Black Ball

    And I am sure Prince William will fly to Sri Lanka to pay homage to those slaughtered in bombings after visiting the Christchurch mosques. Amiright? FMD

  46. calli

    He might, Black Ball.

    Hold fire until he squibs.

  47. OldOzzie

    Foul-mouthed activist Van Badham centre stage at ALP event

    Richard Ferguson Reporter – Alice Workman Political Reporter


    A union and feminist activist who introduced Bill Shorten and Tanya Plibersek at a Labor women’s event in Melbourne has a history of writing vulgar and abusive tweets, where she has attacked John Howard’s mother and then opposition leader Tony Abbott.

    Van Badham, best known as a Guardian Australia columnist and regular ABC panellist, hosted the Melbourne event where Labor unveiled its $660 million domestic ­violence policy, and was praised by Ms Plibersek: “How good is Van Badham?”

    Ms Badham, who referred to Mr Shorten as “Chloe’s Shorten’s husband”, has used her Twitter ­account to attack political enemies, including a profane post about Mr Howard’s late mother.

    “I curse the earth beneath the c..t that spawned John Howard. I spit into the air he breathes,” she tweeted in 2013.

    Ms Badham, who is married to the chief of staff to ACTU secretary Sally McManus, said of cabinet minister Greg Hunt on October 23, 2013: “Greg Hunt is an insult to the word “c..t.”

    She also tweeted an attack against then opposition leader Mr Abbott: “Yep. A c..t with all the sex appeal of a corpse’s eyehole.”

    She disavowed her previous tweets yesterday and said she has “matured” since she posted them.

    “I certainly would not say now the vulgar things I said in 2013, nor would I choose to republish them,” she told The Weekend Australian.

    “Obviously, my online presence has matured, my position has changed and I am one of the millions of Australians who eagerly await the election of a Shorten Labor government.”

    Ms Badham hosted yesterday’s Labor event in her role as chairwoman of the Queen Victoria Women’s Trust but has links to Mr Shorten, Labor and the trade union movement.

    Yesterday’s event was intended to showcase Mr Shorten’s attempts to stop domestic abuse and violence in Australia and noted a number of prominent women he is running in key Melbourne seats, including Higgins candidate Fiona McLeod and Deakin candidate Shireen Morris.

    Ms Badham often tweets in support of the Labor leader and praised him, Ms Plibersek and Labor Senate leader Penny Wong online yesterday.

    “WOW. @billshortenmp announces signature family violence policy; $660 MILLION of funding for frontline and other support services,” she tweeted.

    “Every time Penny Wong’s name gets mentioned, there are hoots. The politician as rock star … Tanya Plibersek rocking the red heels.”

    Her current support for Mr Shorten has not stopped her from attacking him in the past.

    “Look as far as careerist self-promoters with parroted neoliberal values that ultimately f . . k workers over go, I like Shorten,” she tweeted on October 12, 2013.

    Victorian Liberal senator Jane Hume yesterday said: “This kind of language used in a public forum is particularly offensive.”

    “It’s disappointing that someone with a public platform would use a person’s political beliefs as a basis for personal attacks. The Leader of the Opposition should call out this vile discourse and online bullying,” Senator Hume said.

    Labor did not answer questions yesterday on whether Mr Shorten or Ms Plibersek condemned her comments, and whether Ms Badham, who runs a social media consulting business for unions, NGOs and charities, would host future ALP election events.

    Well you live and learn – I did not know this – Suppose normal in the Labor Party – Party of The Dregs of Humanity

    Ms Badham, who is married to the chief of staff to ACTU secretary Sally McManus

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Who’s Monty?

    Our resident Court jester.

  49. mh

    David Rowe for me today.

    A clear message from David – don’t vote for the Uniparty, vote for one of the minors like Fraser Anning’s Conservative National Party.

  50. Nick

    Who’s Monty?

    Met his match snuffling down a poisoned vegan sausage I believe.

  51. calli

    Also, he may have been warned off going to Sri Lanka for security reasons. It’s a world away from downtown Christchurch.

  52. Leigh Lowe

    Dribble it out as gifts under the threshold and blow the rest.

    This is what the drones at Treasury never factor into their models. The sheer FU factor when someone feels like they are being screwed by Gummint.
    If people are $500k above the DD threshold, many would rather spend it totally inefficiently rather than let Treasury get a penny of it.

  53. BrettW

    Has Bob Browns Tesla and his convoy of morons been given the welcome they deserve as they travel north ?

    Any petrol station that refuses to serve them is going to get great publicity.

    Any Cats seen the green convoy ?

  54. calli

    She disavowed her previous tweets yesterday and said she has “matured” since she posted them.

    Late developer.

  55. mh

    Hollywood is full of special people

    Rosanna Arquette

    @RoArquette
    I just want to wake up and feel some peace and love in the world and not feel terrorized that we are living under a fascist regime as of today.

    12:40 AM – Apr 26, 2019

  56. Leigh Lowe

    David Rowe for me today.

    I did not see his cartoon, but I totally agree with it.

  57. Nick

    She disavowed her previous tweets yesterday and said she has “matured” since she posted them.

    Young and naive at 30+

  58. Boambee John

    Ragu
    #2998262, posted on April 26, 2019 at 10:00 pm
    To others , i didn’t know where they went at the time. I had no idea they left the country. It happened at least a year ago.

    Talking to myself on the old thread.

    Have DFAT put a caveat on the kid’s passport, no overseas travel without your written permission.

  59. Eyrie

    “Australian officials are killing millions of feral cats by airdropping frozen sausages laced with poison across the Outback.”
    uh-huh. The cats taking the baits are the stupid hungry ones who are bad hunters. The good hunters will have less competition in killing the next meal.
    Think of it as evolution in action.
    It has already worked for feral dogs/dingos.

  60. calli

    Also, Richard and Alice need to tidy up their reportage. That statement is abiguous. Did the “previous” tweets occur yesterday and did the BadVan disavow them immediately?

    Back to school j-list kiddies.

  61. bespoke

    “I certainly would not say now the vulgar things I said in 2013, nor would I choose to republish them,” she told The Weekend Australian.

    Sue but will that be extended to people she disagrees with? And how old was she?

  62. cohenite

    Talking points about tits:
    A vote for tits is a vote for the greens
    The greens want to close down the coal and agricultural industries because of globall warming
    All current cars will be banned. The new electric cars will be unaffordable and impossible to power because the grid runs on coal, gas and hydro
    All your wealth including what you have after you die will be taxed by tits. That includes capital gains tax, tax on super, no negative gearing, dividends and interest and DEATH duties
    There will be open borders: more congestion, more people, more RoP, more terrorism
    There will be no electricity; when Liddell closes down in 18 months NSW will be totally dependent on QLD . When Bayswater and Eraring close down in 5 years time and QLD closes down its power stations there will be no power
    The unions will run Australia. Tits is controlled by Sally McManus who is a communist. There will be no private businesses.
    Schools will be run by green, lgbtq activists
    The medical system will fail because of the millions of new immigrants many of them illegals who will choke and exhaust medical systems.
    The media will be censored, you will not be able to complain because of Finkelstein

    Any other others?

  63. Tom

    Our resident Court jester.

    … who’s gone AWOL, having lost his will to live, since leftard deity Robert Mueller spectacularly failed in his one anointed duty: to provide a pathway for the impeachment of the Outsider in the White House.

    Poor Monty. He wasn’t supposed to believe all those dumb talking points. They were supposed to be only for the left’s brainless zombie followers, not their future rulers safely inside the moat in Bugmania Castle.

  64. Nick

    And how old was she?

    Born in 1974, she was 31

  65. bespoke

    Our EX resident Court jester.

    Must be humiliating being replaced by an older model.

  66. mh

    I haven’t forgotten you, Jimbo.

    You are special, too.

    Jim Carrey

    @JimCarrey
    Let’s all drink a toast to the new king of lies,
    and the minions who help him while democracy dies,
    and our kids who’ll be taught that the wicked are wise
    because Potus was Jack from ‘Lord of The Flies’.
    How much poison are you willing to swallow?!

    1:53 AM – Apr 25, 2019

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Any other others?

    No, you’ve depressed me enough for one morning, thank you.

  68. Boambee John

    Calli at 0754

    Clue Two is the emissions issue. They see Aussies as back water hicks who have never travelled overseas. They think the “they do it in Europe” shyte will have some sort of traction in the electorate.

    The left used to sneer at the “cultural cringe”, now they epitomise it.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Gravel rash…

    Protester glues her breasts to ground outside Goldman Sachs

    A woman has glued her breasts to the road outside the Goldman Sachs offices today as activists ramp up disruption on the final day of protests. The eco-protester was spotted by passengers on a bus lying face down with her top up to her neck.

    Several police officers surrounded the woman and put up screens to stop the public watching her one-woman protest. It was quite possibly the most spectacular stunt yet as climate change activists targeted London’s financial districts to highlight what they call the business world’s ‘role in our collective suicide’.

    Surely it would be easier to move a couple of nearby anti-something bollards over, attach detour signs to them and leave her there?

  70. Black Ball

    Tom from Bill Whittle on the Mueller investigation. Not sure it’s over yet.
    https://youtu.be/JtbuyxxC4s8

  71. bespoke

    Born in 1974, she was 31

    And they want to 16 year old’s the vote.

  72. Same kind of criminal sanctions should apply to labour hire companies and franchises who rip off their employees.
    Theft is theft.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Calli, I thought Chumplady was a joke name, but googled it.
    It is for realz.
    One story struck me … “Why Happy People Cheat”.
    Wow!
    Summarised Mrs L’s PoS lying, gambling, stray-rooting in-law perfectly.
    Walks out on the bride and three kids because “I have a right to be happy.’
    Come to think of it, a lot of his sentences started with the perpendicular pronoun.

  74. Geriatric Mayfly

    Any Cats seen the green convoy ?

    Isn’t today the day they muster on the carboniferous sea that is Galilee? I have visions of L’ll Greta leading them along the last stages in her Fischer-Price wind-up limousine. She should be vewy, vewy careful not to run over any Black Throated Finches.

  75. Notafan

    That was quick.

    Before you know it she’ll be a yummy mummy.
    vanny is married to Ben Davison?

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The eco-protester was spotted by passengers on a bus lying face down with her top up to her neck.

    They are going to have to use some very toxic chemicals to free those titties. Depending on what she used, of course. My experience with Superglue shows it is useless on rough surfaces (warned by Cats and now Bully’s ear has fallen off). A good tug should suffice in that case to free the lady quite ecologically.

    Minus a little skin, one hopes.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #2998465, posted on April 27, 2019 at 9:05 am

    Gravel rash…

    Protester glues her breasts to ground outside Goldman Sachs

    Further in shoddy j’ism from that report ..

    They were un-attached before being taken away in police vans

    Must of been yuuuge.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I slept the sleep of the just last night. End of thread group therapy, I expect. 😉

  79. Makka

    RR hasn’t turned. He’s covering his arse …;

    “The previous Administration chose not to publicize the full story about Russian computer hackers and social media trolls, and how they relate to a broader strategy to undermine America,” Rosenstein said before the Public Servants Dinner of the Armenian Bar Association in New York.

    ……… and that of his missus, Lisa Barsoomian , of Armenian heritage.

    https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/59419/Contents/Kindly-debunk-Charles-Ortel-Lisa-Barsoomian-129211649/

  80. feelthebern

    I tend to sort out problems on my knees these days. Surprising how well that works. It’s an option available for everyone but obviously not everyone wants to take it up.

    Phrasing.
    (h/t Stirling Archer).

  81. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Push for kids to stay close to food source

    Primrose Riordan
    Political Reporter
    @primroseriordan
    12:00AM April 27, 2019
    Comments

    City kids will be bussed to farms on excursions and “mini-farms” will be set up in urban schools under a Coalition program to combat the rise of “extremist” anti-agriculture campaigns if the Coalition is elected.

    Scott Morrison and Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack said “we won’t allow our kids to be vulnerable to anti-farming campaigns from extremists hell-bent on shutting down ­agriculture”.

    “This new program will support primary and secondary school students to visit farms and other primary production worksites in the food and fibre supply chain,” their joint statement said.

    The Coalition will also contribute funding to encourage more young people to study agriculture and support “fully integrated and computerised ‘mini-farms’ to teach students about the use of water, land and energy in food production” in 80 city schools.

    The Morrison government has sought to gain political mileage out of recent protests by animal rights activists by proposing new jail terms for those who invade rural properties to “free” farm animals headed for slaughter.

    The Prime Minister, who has ­denounced the activists as “unAustralian”, has said he would­ ­introduce jail terms against those who used websites to disclose personal information and incite ­others to trespass on farmland.

    The two leaders cited a study by the Primary Industries Education Foundation Australia in 2011 to argue that “too many of our young Australians don’t understand where their food comes from”.

    From the Oz. Stand by for the first You tube footage of some Greenie’s child lecturing a farmer about how he ropes the land, and is just so cruel to his stock.

  82. pete m

    I agree numbers, Shorten should be charged for stealing from cleanevent and other company employees with his dodgy awu EBAs which lined his pockets at the cost of his members.

    Glad you support this principle.

  83. C.L.

    Ms Badham, who is married to the chief of staff to ACTU secretary Sally McManus

    I thought she was a lesbian.

    Ms Badham, who referred to Mr Shorten as “Chloe’s Shorten’s husband”

    Exactly. Kind of lacks WAM! BAM! impact given that the Bryce lass took his surname.

  84. bespoke

    The program should be run and financed by farmers not the government.

  85. mh

    Wonderful Pakistan

    Woman ‘raped and murdered by medical staff’ after going to hospital for toothache

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/25/woman-raped-murdered-medical-staff-going-hospital-toothache-9315690/

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    RR hasn’t turned. He’s covering his arse

    That was my impression too. He’s soon to retire, and doesn’t want to lose his pension like McCabe.

  87. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-dodges-phone-thrown-at-him-at-nra-convention-in-indiana/news-story/94311f5a67f075db95ffe86f4f6aeeff

    Journalistic standards are in the spotlight again.

    The headline that President Trump ‘dodged’ a phone being ‘thrown at him’ is total bullshit as is evident in the video link of the incident.

    There is no doubt an object can be seen flying towards the podium.

    There is also no doubt it wasn’t within a bulls roar of President Trump who took no evasive action because there was no need.

    TDS is apparently so strong at news.com.au that they believe people will believe the headline and not bother viewing the article.

  88. Geriatric Mayfly

    The program should be run and financed by farmers not the government.

    Precious kids on farms a good recipe for litigation. Imagine the PTSD deriving from little Fatima’s day on the farm and she had to walk through the pig pen.

  89. feelthebern

    Those vegan sausages have a use after all.

    Nick!
    Well done that man.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Precious kids on farms a good recipe for litigation. Imagine the PTSD deriving from little Fatima’s day on the farm and she had to walk through the pig pen.

    Imagine the PTSD deriving from little Rupert’s and Natasha’s day on the farm when they see lambs being born.

  91. struth

    Good Moaning.
    Put majors last.
    Vote for right wing minors like Anning.
    Ban M uz zy immigration.
    String up traitorous politicians who import death upon our citizens.
    Leave the UN, completely.
    Get all our eggs out of the Chicom basket.
    Make all f o r nicators and ho mo sexuals repent! (joking)
    Make the MSM mention the word Christian when talking about the victims of M u z zy atrocities and pure evil.
    Hate speech is not complaining about being killed.
    Being targeted by the ROP for extermination has caused all the problems.
    Not by complaining about that being the case.
    If you deny this and still bring in murderers you are at war with this nation.
    You wouldn’t have gotten away with importing N a zis during ww2, so why is this any different?
    Some Na zis probably wouldn’t have tried to kill us either, because they would have been outnumbered and some may have not been able to bring themselves to do it.
    They are irrelevant.
    You still wouldn’t bring in N a zis in ww2.
    British colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to the world, by far, when all is said and done.
    It could have been the m u z zies, and in Arnhem land it nearly was.
    Those that first bought diseases like leprosy, and many others, alcohol and tobacco, were indeed I s lamic.
    I sla mic Trepang fisherman.
    In their thousands.

    Aboriginal Australia should Celebrate British colonialism proudly.
    Just a fleeting glimpse at history during those times will teach you that the British were in a race with other superpowers of the day to colonise or perish.
    The Aboriginals were gifted the best culture to invade their lands.
    They won the colonial lottery.
    It could have been much, much worse.
    And it would have been somebody, they were never going to be left alone.
    They should be shitting themselves about the Chinese right now, who hated blackfellas from the time they came here as coolies and gold diggers, and won’t tolerate their bullshit for a second.
    Make sure the lie that Hitler was right wing is constantly fought.
    National socialist he was, and socialist is how he acted.
    The national part of that was not the problem.
    The socialist part of it was, proven by the fact he was fought by those in the uniforms of nations.
    Get the Marxist filth out of our education system.
    Ban power generation subsidies.

    These should be the true agendas to be achieved by the famed year 2030., (and much much earlier when it comes to m uzzy immigration).
    Nothing is achieved by allowing people to walk away from their failed societies, no responsibility taken and therefore repeat the same idiocies here.
    No migration from shitholes, while technology shows them how others live, is the fastest way to cure world poverty.

    Now look at what choice our politicians, and our ridiculous voting system is giving us.

    Australia, stick a fork in ya.
    You’re done.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    AFP news agency
    @AFP
    Poland’s ruling party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski has denounced LGBT rights, gender theory and UN sex education recommendations as a “threat” to the devout Catholic EU country

    Oh no! Poles won’t be able to play for the Wallabies.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Precious kids on farms a good recipe for litigation. Imagine the PTSD deriving from little Fatima’s day on the farm and she had to walk through the pig pen

    Imagine the PTSD inflicted on all the little snowflake vegans when they find out that vegetables are grown in the dirt..

  94. Overburdened

    On BoN’s point re Biden’s misremembering of the obama years.

    As said before, to the older mind that was educated with facts and history none of the left’s diametrically opposite views of the truth makes any sense.

    I fondly remember a teacher telling me that the study of mathematics and science was about teaching logical and rational thinking.

    Thanks to the long march through the institutions, the left may feel that the time has come to now just say anything and it will be believed by enough voting age punters.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Summarised Mrs L’s PoS lying, gambling, stray-rooting in-law perfectly.
    Walks out on the bride and three kids because “I have a right to be happy.’

    Yep, Lefty Philosopher’s philosophy exactly. He hasn’t been, happy that is. Always hopeless with money. Just deserts in some ways, but I am glad he is happier now. Third marriage seems to be working, he’s got wiser, and his fatherhood, while never great, is now paying off in good relationships with our two kids.

    He rooted my best friend when I was in labor with my first child and it all went downhill from there; we stuck it out for another three years of rinse, repeat, including another child and tearful statements he loved me would never do it again, rinse, repeat. When I started throwing things at him over the latest philandering, and he finally left. We’d only just that week made legal settlement on a small inner-west house, a wreck, he never moved in, so I sat in the wreck of my marriage and a collapsing wreck of a house and wept between gins. Big Sis and her mob of cowboy Westie tradies rallied and helped me knock out a wall (RSJ, what RSJ?) and put in a Bunnings kitchen and bathroom. I gave him half of our mutually saved deposit back and took over the unpaid mortgage with my new job which started at the same time. We had nothing else but the kids then to share; he said for a while he didn’t care and didn’t want to know them, which for a while he believed; I never did and kept them seeing him.

    I am good on property stuff, so I advised him to buy in Enmore (a bargain at the time, where his half of the deposit and ability now he had a better job to get an interest-only loan would have allowed him to buy a small terrace there) but he opted for a mismanaged share in a socialist collective on a main road in Balmain. He ruefully said to me years later when my house had tripled in value that he was the only person he knew who had lost money in that period on Sydney real estate. He then inherited half a Sydney house from his parents and so came into quite a bit of money that way. Still cries poor though. Hairy and I have picked up a lot of the tabs for his kids, school fees etc.

    Ah reminiscing; someone did mention group therapy useful only for those who hold the floor. 😀

    It will all settle down, LL. Sad for your wife’s sister, but she did love him once. She has to remember that.

  96. cohenite

    This is a worry: Clive making sense:

  97. Infidel Tiger

    State employee signs a $US93 million over 10 year contract.
    Clemson (public college) football coach Dabo Swinney just signed this deal.
    The players on his roster are get:
    free tuition;
    free board;
    a meal allowance.
    Three Clemson players went first round in the NFL draft yesterday.
    There are 105 players on a college football roster.

    It is an absolute disgrace what they do to College sportsmen. They are indentured labour.

    They should all be paid and it held in trust until they graduate.

  98. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Two day battle to recharge car convinced me we’re not ready for electric vehicles.

    Interesting reading, Top Ender, thank you.

  99. candy

    I find it hard to believe Bill Shorten or his wife like the presence of someone like Van Badham around them and their kids.
    Bill Shorten seems in my opinion, one person in the media/political fray but another man, more conservative, and more traditional at home and with family.

  100. Old School Conservative

    Black Ball
    #2998435, posted on April 27, 2019 at 8:38 am
    And turn the tv on to Sunrise where the female presenter breathlessly reports that we have had once in 50 years storm event along Bells Beach and that coastline. Really?

    Yes, really! It’s one of surfing history’s most talked about moments. “Point Break” meets reality.

    As summarised in The Australian:

    (Stephanie) Gilmore was among the first to paddle on to the sunrise-lit, early-morning, pre-contest waves forecast to become something between the legendary peaks of Bells in 1981 and the fictional 50-year swell that made Peter Phelps tell Keanu Reeves in a surfing movie so bad it was good: “It’s going to be f…ing crazy, man! Death on a stick out there, mate!”

    (Spoiler alert – Patrick Swayze’s character dies in the big surf)

  101. dover_beach

    Some of them would make excellent speed bumps.

    I’m not so sure, speed bumps should have the quality of you wanting to slow down.

  102. Mother Lode

    David Rowe for me today.

    The Shorten part looks nothing like him except for the great shield of bone above his eyebrows.

    But more importantly, it characterises ScoMo and BS in week 2 as being the same – running in circles where they will neither catch up and neither is in front.

    But really, drawing on the long experience of election campaigns, what makes this week stand out was that it has been a spectacular shambles for Peanut Head. His muddle-headedness, his Monty-esque rake stepping, his no-win Adani dilemma, and the…ahem…tactically unconventional decision to dodge a debate ScoMo on Nein/Fauxfacts that made ScoMo look confident and commanding – a leader.

    A better cartoon would have shown ScoMo benefitting Bradbury like by BS’s inflicting damage on himself

    Still, I will grant Rowe this: the shape of the Shorten-ScoMo beast with the circle their movement described looked like Yin-Yang: opposites in balance. Also suggesting a Chinese connection.

    I wonder if that was intentional.

  103. OldOzzie

    OK Cats -Who is Who in the Family below?

    Well you live and learn – I did not know this – Suppose normal in the Labor Party – Party of The Dregs of Humanity

    Ms Badham (or Van Hammered as Tim Blair Calls Her), who is married to the chief of staff to ACTU secretary Sally McManus

  104. Old Lefty

    But which family, Candy? The first one was sacked by SMS at the football.

  105. dover_beach

    Ragu’s plight is why divorce should be fault only.

  106. dover_beach

    Sorry, illustrates why

  107. Old Lefty

    OldOzzie reminds me of Kim Beazley Snr on the transition of the Labor party from the cream of working class to the scum of the middle class.

  108. candy

    But which family, Candy? The first one was sacked by SMS at the football.

    Well, he’s divorced, Old Lefty. A lot of people are, from any walk of life and none too smoothly at times.

  109. memoryvault

    Good Moaning.
    Put majors last.

    And a good moaning to you too, Struth.
    What a brilliant idea – pity no one thought of it a few months ago, when there might have been time to get something organised, instead of now when there’s no time left to do anything.

    oh . . .wait . . .

  110. cohenite

    Bill Shorten seems in my opinion, one person in the media/political fray but another man, more conservative, and more traditional at home and with family.

    No, there’s only one: the one with the r.pe allegation and who has betrayed EVERYONE he has had dealings with.

  111. Old Lefty

    Reporting on the ‘incident’ in North Melbourne yesterday seems to have gone quiet. If they really were planning to attack a church, the Soviet Socialist Toilet of Yarragrad will probably give them a medal.

  112. Nick

    Old Ozzie
    ‘Scented to attract dogs’

    So it smells like another dogs’s bottom ?

  113. Black Ball

    Yes indeed Old School Conservative. Had that awful fillum in mind.

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    it characterises ScoMo and BS in week 2 as being the same – running in circles where they will neither catch up and neither is in front.

    Would’ve been good if Rowe’d added Clive watching the two of them go round in circles, with Clive humming ‘we’re not going to take it anymore’…

    I don’t think Rowe much likes him enough to give Clive a free kick though.

  115. OldOzzie

    Someone Please Save This Outrageous Corvette Wagon

    The world needs more six-headlight shooting-brake Corvette show cars.

    The Question has to be WHY? – the ugliest car I have ever seen

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    OldOzzie reminds me of Kim Beazley Snr on the transition of the Labor party from the cream of working class to the scum of the middle class.

    “Who persist in using the Party as an intellectual spittoon.”

  117. No, there’s only one: the one with the r.pe allegation and who has betrayed EVERYONE he has had dealings with.

    Not “the only one”.
    This behaviour is fully OK in a leader.
    Just ask Fatty 5D*.

    *Donald (which foot?) Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam five times.
    He also falsified his health report and has a weight problem.

  118. Old School Conservative

    ‘we’re not going to take it anymore’…

    Bruce, as my grand kids are singing non-stop, it’s “we’re not going to carpet anymore”

  119. bespoke

    Ragu’s plight is why divorce should be fault only.

    What about when both party’s needed a some space and had a civil separation (no thanks to lawyers) then got back together like mine.

  120. Infidel Tiger

    Ragu’s plight is why divorce should be fault only.

    Particularly if there are children.

  121. feelthebern

    Ragu’s plight is why the state should mandate pre-nups before a marriage licence is issued.

  122. bespoke

    The Question has to be WHY?

    Because they can.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I tend to sort out problems on my knees these days.

    Given the state of my knees, the left one in particular, after that ‘orrible tumble on the cinema stairs recently, I think I will give that one a miss for a while, Calli.

    Incidentally, I thought knees were no longer de rigueur for praying these days.

  124. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    *Donald (which foot?) Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam five times.

    Numbers Bob had a perfectly legal option to being conscripted, which he chose not to exercise.

  125. feelthebern

    Sally McManus is the most honest ACTU chief the organisation has ever had.
    What you see & hear has zero filter.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    Reporting on the ‘incident’ in North Melbourne yesterday seems to have gone quiet.

    Sort of like the ACL not at all terrorist totally accidental suicide non bombing?
    I was wondering if ABC has the following story, but I don’t care to visit their website.

    Saudi Arabia’s Medieval executions including for ‘sorcerers’, homosexuals and the mentally ill DOUBLE in the last ten years totalling 1,100 (26 Apr, via Drudge)

    Maybe the ABC wymminses should don hijabs when they report it.

  127. Same kind of criminal sanctions should apply to labour hire companies and franchises who rip off their employees.
    Theft is theft.

    Yep.
    Anyone who cribs a bit of extra onto their timesheet, or goes for a quick durry during work hours,
    heck, anyone who slows down a bit.
    Stealing is stealing.
    Crime should equal jail.
    Fair enough?

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Who is Sally McManus’ Chief of Staff. Male or female?

    If it is a woman then I would not refer to another woman as being ‘married’ to her, for in my general conversation ‘married’ refers to a man and a woman as husband and wife. I would tend to say ‘shacked up with’ for other relationships, no matter whether they are legally sanctioned as ‘marriages’ or not.

  129. feelthebern

    Same kind of criminal sanctions should apply to labour hire companies and franchises who rip off their employees.Theft is theft.

    Especially when a union trades away workers entitlements for an “unrelated” payment to the union “safety” fund.

  130. will

    Talking points about tits:
    A vote for tits is a vote for the greens
    The greens want to close down the coal and agricultural industries because of globall warming
    All current cars will be banned. The new electric cars will be unaffordable and impossible to power because the grid runs on coal, gas and hydro
    All your wealth including what you have after you die will be taxed by tits. That includes capital gains tax, tax on super, no negative gearing, dividends and interest and DEATH duties
    There will be open borders: more congestion, more people, more RoP, more terrorism
    There will be no electricity; when Liddell closes down in 18 months NSW will be totally dependent on QLD . When Bayswater and Eraring close down in 5 years time and QLD closes down its power stations there will be no power
    The unions will run Australia. Tits is controlled by Sally McManus who is a communist. There will be no private businesses.
    Schools will be run by green, lgbtq activists
    The medical system will fail because of the millions of new immigrants many of them illegals who will choke and exhaust medical systems.
    The media will be censored, you will not be able to complain because of Finkelstein

    Any other others?

    All plastics banned because of da enviroment
    Meat tax
    Sugar tax

    so just like Venezuela then

  131. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ah reminiscing; someone did mention group therapy useful only for those who hold the floor.

    Until you have been to Schizophrenic Group Therapy you haven’t been to group therapy.
    Literally crazy.
    God I miss the crew.

  132. rickw

    This is a worry: Clive making sense:

    It doesn’t take much to stand out in Australian politics.

  133. calli

    Some of us are old fashioned, Lizzie.

    A pillow helps. 😀

  134. OldOzzie

    Cutting interest rates won’t lift inflation, it will only hurt retirees

    Alan Kohler

    Don’t bother cutting rates, it’s pointless.

    That 0.0 for the March quarter headline CPI will sit for a long time as a badge of the Reserve Bank’s impotence.

    Coming up for three years of the cash rate on hold at the record low of 1.5 per cent, on top of the longest economic expansion in history, and just a week after news of another solid lift in full-time employment, inflation has fallen to zero.

    So now economists are clamouring to predict a May rate cut and the headline on the story in The Australian on Wednesday went as far as predicting: “RBA could cut rates four times this year”.

    As if reducing retirees’ incomes again is going to make any difference. Apart from anything else, the borrowers who theoretically benefit from a rate cut don’t reduce their repayments, so net incomes fall, not rise. Lopping another 1 per cent off interest rates might reignite the property market, and it might get the currency below US70c, but if it’s targeting the currency, the RBA is just pitting itself against commodity markets, which is not a battlefield it wants or needs to be on.

    Like all central banks, the RBA would still have Milton Friedman’s picture on the wall with the quote “inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon”, because inflation is what they target and monetary phenomena are what they do — that is, they use interest rates to move the CPI.

    The rest of the economics profession has no such excuse. It’s clear to everyone outside Martin Place that monetary policy is exhausted and that this time around inflation was not killed by tight money, and therefore won’t be revived by loose money.

    These days, inflation is all about power — bargaining power of workers and pricing power of companies — and not about money supply. The idea that a rate cut will somehow increase the power of either group is a fantasy.

    To keep proposing rate cuts to get consumer price inflation up is now both lazy and dangerous: there is already too much debt, and encouraging more of it will only lead to higher asset prices and more speculation, leading to further disconnection between asset markets and the real world and greater income and wealth inequality.

    Inflation Plunges

    The RBA’s target of 2-3 per cent inflation might be nice — ideal even — because it would gradually dissolve all the debt, but it rather looks like 0-1 per cent is the new normal, and maybe that’s OK. And maybe central banks should rethink their inflation targets.

    Australia’s headline CPI was zero in the March quarter, and inflation is low around the developed world, because of three decades of unfettered capitalism. In fact, with the benefit of hindsight, it was the inevitable consequence of it. Capitalism produced the globalisation that allowed China to export disinflation while growing its economy 50-fold since the Tiananmen Square massacre, through the greatest, longest-lasting labour cost arbitrage in history. Now other low-cost countries are following suit as China’s labour costs rise; this will go on for decades to come.

    Capitalism also achieved political supremacy around the world and disenfranchised unions in the name of battling the scourge of socialism. Socialism is dead and buried, but with it is organised labour.

    And finally capitalism has financed a great flowering of technology, starting with the internet, then cloud computing and now automation and artificial intelligence, at each stage further sapping the bargaining power of labour, lowering both costs and barriers to entry.

    Yes, the technology is the thing, and it is one of the great revolutions, but without venture capitalism it wouldn’t have happened.

    And the only real brake on the freedom of capital these past few decades has been from competition regulators stamping out cartels and battling the misuse of market power.

    Nothing wrong with that, and everything right with it, but there have been virtually no other restraints on the free operation of capitalism — only regulation designed to ensure that prices don’t go up too much, and firms don’t acquire too much power.

    How could the prices of goods and services rise? Workers have lost all bargaining power through anti-union legislation, and in any case companies are reducing costs by replacing humans with cheaper and more reliable machines, and companies have lost pricing power because of cheap imports, the fragmenting of markets due to low barriers to entry and antitrust regulation.

    All of that is obvious and no bad thing. Strikes and picket-lines used to be appallingly disruptive and we’re better off without them. Australia’s competition regulator, 69-year-old Rod Sims, actually works seven days a week, every week, well past retirement age even though he doesn’t need the money — he is both heroic and driven; and where would we be without our Chinese TVs and clothes, not to mention our smartphones and smart speakers to tell us what the weather is like outside.

    It’s just that all of those things mean that monetary policy doesn’t work anymore and prices don’t rise. That’s fine, as long as they don’t keep cutting interest rates, and therefore savers’ incomes, to try to make prices rise.

    Give up, for goodness sake, and leave rates where they are. Give retirees a break — they’ll need it with dividend franking refunds about to be abolished.

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    feelthebern, 9.24;

    God DAMMIT man! And snap……

    I read calli’s comment whilst catching up after a teeny lie in, thought ‘I’ve got something for this,’ and scrolled down going ‘no, no, no-one’s said it, no,…………. AAAGH!’

  136. Boambee John

    1735099
    #2998468, posted on April 27, 2019 at 9:07 am
    Same kind of criminal sanctions should apply to labour hire companies and franchises who rip off their employees.
    Theft is theft.

    Union leaders who sell out their members in exchange for a contribution to their future election campaign?

    Theft is theft?

  137. egg_

    This is a worry: Clive making sense:

    It doesn’t take much to stand out in Australian politics.

    +1

    He’s up against the C-graders from both sides of the House.

  138. Makka

    Just ask Fatty 5D*.

    *Donald (which foot?) Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam five times.
    No one cares except bitter commo fkwits having the world’s longest dummy spit.

  139. calli

    Now that was an interesting exercise.

    Seven had a puff piece on the Coalition (!!!?) with Joshie Frydenberg. After the usual pleasantries, they gave him a ping pong ball and bat and asked him questions – he was to answer them while keeping the ball in play. Difficult even with a background in tennis.

    He did very well and they gave up.

  140. Notafan

    I posted a link to Vanessa Badham’s husband Ben Davison earlier.

    Don’t you all remember when she was advertising for male green commo dates purely to conduct research?

    I’m sure for political reasons she’d like to be a lesbian but her animal instincts got in the way.

  141. Knuckle Dragger

    If Cats haven’t read LL’s story on the OF last night, please go back and have a look.

    This style of behaviour by his rello’s hubby is a long way from unknown, although it hasn’t happened to anyone I know personally.

    That is a special kind of cowardice. Porking a bit of crumpet while wifey’s in labour with your child. Unspeakable.

    I doubt this specimen would have ever been the holder of a man card, but if so he thoroughly deserves it being cut in half and rammed up his arse, along with the scissors that sliced it.

    Christ, it made ME ropable, and I don’t know the people involved.

    Grrr.

  142. Lorraine

    Hi there everybody, my name is Lorraine. I haven’t been to this website for quite awhile. I thought I would pop in have a bit of a look around and a bit of a read. I see the place hasn’t changed much and it seems it is all the usual characters roaming around. Thats great. I will come and visit every now and then, have a cuppa and a chat. I hope you all have a brilliant weekend.

  143. rickw

    I claim this thread in the name of Henry the Eighth. There was a man who knew what to do with ex-wives, and never mind the Family Law Court.

    He wasn’t that much of a gun, he lost a house to Anne of Cleaves.

  144. will

    f

    eelthebern
    #2998385, posted on April 27, 2019 at 6:47 am
    Ragu, what state are you in?
    Divorce is a war.
    Prepare accordingly.
    You need to rip up money on a lawyer, a real junk yard dog.
    If you don’t, you’re up shit creek before it starts.
    Remember, you get no credit for being a nice guy or right.

    If you live in or close to Brisbane, I have a recommendation for a law firm who are particularly aggressive. Ask Sinc for my email. Be aware it will cost a lot and you will still lose, but considerable damage will be inflicted on the enemy. So there is some small measure of satisfaction to be gained.

    If you are after free legal advise, you will get what you pay for.

  145. Boambee John

    Candy

    Bill Shorten seems in my opinion, one person in the media/political fray but another man, more conservative, and more traditional at home and with family.

    Look at the so-called “progressives” who tout the wonders of “Safe schools”, LGBTIQ etc, and tge wonders of dog box apartments, plus all the other pregressive rubbish.

    They largely do not follow their own recommendations. Classic “Do as I say, not as I do.”

  146. dover_beach

    What about when both party’s needed a some space and had a civil separation (no thanks to lawyers) then got back together like mine.

    Why would they have needed a divorce. Nothing stops you from separating and then getting back together.

    Ragu’s plight is why the state should mandate pre-nups before a marriage licence is issued.

    No, prenups only make the marriage situation worse. You provide justified grounds for divorce, and there it is. If people are already seeking escape routes before marriage, don’t get married.

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    The world needs more six-headlight shooting-brake Corvette show cars.
    The Question has to be WHY? – the ugliest car I have ever seen

    Car design amuses me Old Ozzie.
    Almost all small cars are made these days with grins.
    Try it yourself while you are driving, count the number of cars with smiles.

    Then follow cars at night. Most new cars now have red brake lights like snarling angry eyes.

  148. feelthebern

    Be aware it will cost a lot and you will still lose

    It will cost you a lot. Yes.
    You will still lose. Losing less is a win in the divorce.

    Ragu, if you are Sydney based, ask Sinc for my details.
    I’ll pass on my junk yard dogs details.

  149. Roger

    Bill Shorten seems in my opinion, one person in the media/political fray but another man, more conservative, and more traditional at home and with family.

    Your opinions need to be better informed.

    Shorten is leading a party which as a matter of policy is going to impose the queer revolution on us and destroy what’s left of the Australian family.

  150. That is a special kind of cowardice. Porking a bit of crumpet while wifey’s in labour with your child. Unspeakable.

    And whilst we’re comparing leaders, what would you call this?

    In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who was a notorious registered sex offender, and raped a 13-year-old girl that night in what was a “savage sexual attack,” according to a lawsuit filed in June 2016 by “Jane Doe.” The account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor.

    “Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed,” Jane Doe wrote in the lawsuit, filed in New York.
    The lawsuit was dropped in November 2016, just four days before the election, with Jane Doe’s attorneys citing “numerous threats” against her.

  151. feelthebern

    Pre-nups are the stop loss.
    Always run a stop loss.

  152. John Constantine

    DNA tests are hated by wymynsys , when it comes to paternity a wymynsys right to choose really means something.

    Simply not being the genetic father doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay, but finding out for sure if you really are the dna donor should be an early step in the struggle over child access.

    Know blokes that paid a lot of money before being told it was all for nothing.

  153. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’m sure for political reasons she’d like to be a lesbian but her animal instincts got in the way.

    Wasn’t there a gruesome photograph of her on a bed with that Deveney creature, both showing an overexposure of fat and brawn? Very suspicious.

  154. Boambee John

    Donald (which foot?) Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam five times.
    He also falsified his health report and has a weight problem.

    Hmmmm. Went into remission for a couple of days, but has relapsed.

  155. feelthebern

    Funny, I’ve never seen numbers post anything about the Clinton Epstein relationship.

  156. will

    No, prenups only make the marriage situation worse. You provide justified grounds for divorce, and there it is. If people are already seeking escape routes before marriage, don’t get married.

    very idealistic there Dover. Unfortunately people change, and it’s never for the better. OTOH, prenups are legally void, at least in this country.

  157. egg_

    Van Badass is very attractive – she attracts the outer planets of the solar system.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    I doubt this specimen would have ever been the holder of a man card, but if so he thoroughly deserves it being cut in half and rammed up his arse, along with the scissors that sliced it.

    Interesting KD that, when confronted by Mrs L and myself to make it crystal clear that he wasn’t going to be putting his knees under our table on Easter Sunday, the erstwhile Alpha burst into fucking tears and turned it into a “breach of his custody rights”.
    He was told very clearly that the issue of parenting could be sorted out between him and his ex.
    This was different. It is a family social function and he wasn’t invited.
    Being told “NO!” with no recourse to manipulative behaviour to overturn the decision- a rarity in his 35-odd years.

  159. Knuckle Dragger

    SUCCUBUSSSS!!!!!!!

  160. feelthebern

    No they’re not will.
    Pre-nup laws are playing catchup.
    Or at least they are in NSW.

  161. EvilElvis

    Also, Richard and Alice need to tidy up their reportage. That statement is abiguous.

    Give them a break, Calli. J’ism is hard enough on your own let alone needing a partner to write crud. Wtf is it with multiple J’ismists coming up with ‘news’ stories nowadays anyway?

  162. egg_

    Wasn’t there a gruesome photograph of her on a bed with that Deveney creature, both showing an overexposure of fat and brawn?

    Jeebus – it’s almost lunchtime!

  163. Leigh Lowe

    Gee, if I was a lefty, I would avoid any mention of Jeffrey Epstein and his lecherous companions … (cough) Bill Clinton.

  164. OldOzzie

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2998560, posted on April 27, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Car design amuses me Old Ozzie.
    Almost all small cars are made these days with grins.
    Try it yourself while you are driving, count the number of cars with smiles.

    BON,

    with a Grin Like this – Lexus LM Officially Revealed As Luxury Minivan

    Only a Mother could love it

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    but considerable damage will be inflicted on the enemy.

    Any psychological damage to kids we’ll just consider friendly fire.
    These things happen in war yes?
    Unfortunate accidents.
    Or are they classed as combatants?
    It doesn’t matter.
    We didn’t start it, but we’ll finish it, and win!

  166. EvilElvis

    Protester glues her breasts to ground outside Goldman Sachs

    Breaking: Tits Shorten stands with Bitumen Boobed Bint, “I don’t know what she was protesting, but I completely agree with her”…

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    Yep, LL.

    As I say, I don’t know any of the parties you mention, but am quite familiar with the type. The dog that lords it over its immediate surroundings, but when confronted by a bigger dog whimpers, rolls on its back and presents its belly in submission.

    Reverting to type.

  168. OldOzzie

    Roger
    #2998562, posted on April 27, 2019 at 11:05 am

    Bill Shorten seems in my opinion, one person in the media/political fray but another man, more conservative, and more traditional at home and with family.

    Your opinions need to be better informed.

    Shorten is leading a party which as a matter of policy is going to impose the queer revolution on us and destroy what’s left of the Australian family.

    Roger,

    Thanks for that 26th April 2019 Qadrant Article

    summed up by what the Labor Party is aiming to implement

    Rather, cultural Marxism takes aim at every type of “privilege”. Anything prioritised by a prevailing value system can be represented as “privilege”. Simply being white, male, heterosexual, gender-congruent, educated, successful or able-bodied confers privilege. Privilege, we are told, is invisible to those who have it, so the accusation of privilege constitutes a versatile weapon that can potentially be levelled at any individual who breathes. Any value system that confers privilege may be decried so that all social goods can be co-opted for the benefit of the collective. The wolf may wear new clothing but it is essentially the same wolf.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Out of adversity comes opportunity.
    The middle child of the fucked up marriage is a four year old boy.
    Due to the train-wreck circumstances they now live close by.
    Our mission is to overcome any genetic imprinting and encourage the boy not to be a sooky xunt like his old man.
    The other day we introduced the game of brandy with the tennis ball. No, we don’t fall in a heap and cry when we get hit and also, the garden wall is only 18 inches high and the lawn is soft. Get up and keep going.

  170. EvilElvis

    Breaking: Vaseline sales skyrocket after BBB protest, Tits Shorten starts social media movement #vasyournipples4theenvironment

  171. Roger

    Roger,

    Thanks for that 26th April 2019 Qadrant Article

    summed up by what the Labor Party is aiming to implement

    You’re welcome, OO.

    Very disturbing stuff that most people are unaware of.

    The article also helps explain what is really behind the Folau matter.

    It’s not about “inclusion”, it’s about subverting heteronormativity as the basis for society.

  172. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tits Shorten starts social media movement #vasyournipples4theenvironment

    Maybe Bill could glue himself to a tree in support of his renewbull target.

  173. dover_beach

    Pre-nups are the stop loss.
    Always run a stop loss.

    and

    very idealistic there Dover. Unfortunately people change, and it’s never for the better. OTOH, prenups are legally void, at least in this country.

    Not at all. We have witnessed over the last 50 years what no-fault divorce has done to the institution of marriage. So, the claim now, that we need pre-nups looks to me like a refusal to acknowledge the damage down by the former, and believing that it is simple pragmaticism to paper over the cracks with the later. No, I say, let’s return to a fault divorce-only arrangement and get back to me in 50 years and we can discuss whether pre-nups are necessary as a consequence.

  174. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2998559, posted on April 27, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Odds are it would have ended in divorce if the lawyers had there way.

  175. Leigh Lowe

    As I say, I don’t know any of the parties you mention, but am quite familiar with the type.

    Allow me to introduce you …

    This blog post is an absolutely spot-on profile of the piece of shit.

     The dog that lords it over its immediate surroundings, but when confronted by a bigger dog whimpers, rolls on its back and presents its belly in submission.

    Ha, ha. The bigger dog in this case was Mrs L. Whilst I was trying to contain my anger, she just calmly took him to the cleaners.
    The worst thing is that there are enablers on our side of the fence who, “for the sake of the kids” just want “peace in our time”.
    Not helping the kids by enabling a manipulator.

  176. Bruce

    Where are all of our drunks and fornicators?

    If they have any sense, they will be drinking and / or fornicating.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    Never have sex with anyone you wouldn’t want to make a baby with
    Never partner/marry anyone you wouldn’t give a free house and lifetime stipend too

    Follow these simple rules and you’ll be okay

    P.s you can’t change people much. If this is your goal, good luck.

  178. Bruce

    there was “not one whisper” of scandal during the time they served together in the White House.

    Yes. Right. Sure.

    Ambassador Stevens was not available for comment.”

    Neither was Vince Foster.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    Odds are it would have ended in divorce if the lawyers had there way.

    Sounds like you did the right thing. Worked through your troubles.

  180. EvilElvis

    Breaking: Racial disarray as thousands of Japanese tourists assaulted with petroleum jelly as solidarity movement #vasyournips4bill gains traction.

  181. Gee, if I was a lefty, I would avoid any mention of Jeffrey Epstein and his lecherous companions … (cough) Bill Clinton.

    I’m wondering what on earth Trump has to do with Left and Right.
    His only allegiances are to his pocket and his dick.
    has no political principle or allegiance whatsoever.

  182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ALP referendum on ‘voice’: vote now, get details later
    Exclusive
    Greg Brown
    Journalist
    @gregbrown_TheOz
    12:00AM April 27, 2019
    66 Comments

    Labor is considering a Brexit-style referendum on an indigenous “voice to parliament”, with voters asked to endorse a proposal without a fully formed model.

    Pat Dodson, set to be the indigenous affairs minister under a Shorten government, said voters would be given a guide on how a voice “may work” but its final form would be decided by parliament if a referendum was successful.

    Senator Dodson also declared an ambition to implement ­“regional assemblies” if Labor wins power, giving indigenous communities across Australia an input into the body that would advise parliament on indigenous issues.

    The move would see Labor junk its support of the recommendations of a bipartisan parlia­mentary committee — of which Senator Dodson was a co-chair — which suggested a model should be decided before a decision to go to a referendum. Bill Shorten vowed this year to fast-track a voice referendum and hold it in the first term of his prime ministership, after indigenous leaders and unions opposed delaying a public vote until a model was negotiated between the government and ­Aboriginal communities.

    “You are not enshrining the model in the Constitution.

    “Any model you come up with is always going to be subject to the parliament for modification,” Senator Dodson said.

    “So the model is simply ‘This is how it may work’. The fully legislated entity that sets the model into place is a matter for the parliament to determine. That will ­always be the case. So we are not entrenching a model once and for all in the Constitution.

    “What people are asking for is a head of power in the Constitution that requires a voice to be set up and how you frame that is going to be critical.”

    From the Oz.

  183. calli

    The worst thing is that there are enablers on our side of the fence who, “for the sake of the kids” just want “peace in our time”.
    Not helping the kids by enabling a manipulator.

    Watched that one close-up. Kids no longer want anything to do with Dad. Enablers (his parents) have been making excuses for a couple of years and have consequently lost their grandchildren.

    Had it been my son, he’d have been skinned. Lovingly, of course.

  184. memoryvault

    In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein,

    Numbers, even in the unlikely event that the claim is true, it is alleged to have happened over 25 years ago. Surely you can drag up something from this century.

  185. JC

    There’s a solution to all this. Don’t get married and don’t have kids. It’s not a burning desire for most men to have children. Sure, I love mine and glad I had them because I now know them as people, but it’s also looking back. At the time, I dreaded having kids and really didn’t want them and what you don’t know you can miss.

    Young men should not get married. End of story.

  186. bespoke

    Still are, IT. The only serous advice I have is before people get married is sort out your personal demons first.

  187. bespoke

    Surely you can drag up something from this century.

    HaHahahaaha! numbers?

  188. memoryvault

    Pat Dodson, set to be the indigenous affairs minister under a Shorten government, said voters would be given a guide on how a voice “may work” but its final form would be decided by parliament if a referendum was successful.

    Could someone please give Mr Dodson a copy of the Australian Constitution, before he makes an even bigger idiot of himself.

  189. Knuckle Dragger

    Right. Off to make my semi-pro umpiring debut.

    No left handed batsmen on either team will make a run if I’ve got anything to do with it.

  190. dover_beach

    JC, that is the saddest comment ever written on the Cat.

  191. Bruce

    Regarding Death Taxes:

    If some bunch of the usual scabrous, degenerate, sociopaths reintroduces said taxes, I would suggest that there will be a LOT of “pre-demise” gifting going on.

    Of course, said usual scabrous, degenerate, sociopaths will then introduce “GIFT” taxes.

    Go “off line” and go bush? The tendrils of the laws pertaining to “Crown Land” will be used to strangle transgressors.

    Fight back? You will be slaughtered in your own humpy by the 3am ninjas.

    The stunted and viciously vandalized “tree oif liberty” never stood much of a chance in this penal colony and it appears to be about to meet the final “Roundup”.

  192. Surely you can drag up something from this century.

    Gladly.
    There wasn’t much “dragging” required.

    Another type of accusation was made, primarily after the audio recording surfaced, by several former Miss USA and Miss Teen USA contestants, who accused Trump of entering the dressing rooms of beauty pageant contestants. Trump, who owned the Miss Universe franchise, which includes both pageants, was accused of going into dressing rooms in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006, while contestants were in various stages of undress. During a 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show, Trump said that he could “get away with things like that”.

    Trump has his very own sexual misconduct wiki, something he shares with Harvey Weinstein.

  193. JC

    DB

    It’s not. It’s a great comment. A happy one even.

  194. memoryvault

    Of course, said usual scabrous, degenerate, sociopaths will then introduce “GIFT” taxes.

    And Labor would probably do even worse.

  195. Mark A

    Would it be possible to ban numbers just for the weekend?
    Or at least put his comments about Trump in moderation? It’s getting really annoying and scroll doesn’t help.

    Would give us a reprieve for a couple of days.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here you go Numbers.

    Trump tells NRA he’ll fight for gun rights (26 Apr)

    INDIANAPOLIS — President Donald Trump vowed to fight for gun rights as he addressed the National Rifle Association on Friday … Speaking to the group for his third straight year, Trump declared himself a “champion for the Second Amendment.”

    “It’s under assault,” he said of the constitutional right to bear arms. “But not while we’re here.”

    And he told the thousands in the crowd: “You better get out there and vote,” saying of the 2020 election, “It seems like it’s a long ways away. It’s not.”

    Was that a distant head explosion I just heard from the direction of Queensland? Nice Mr O’Rourke drew a vast crowd of 35 by comparison.

    A Couple Dozen People Go To Beto Campaign Event (26 Apr)

    I can just feeeeel the buzz!

  197. bespoke

    Men and lesbians have been wondering in and out of dressing rooms forever and now they think it Ok for bloke’s to share the same toilets as little girls. pfft!

  198. Stimpson J. Cat

    P.s you can’t change people much.

    Of course you can.
    You change every time you absorb a new idea and try it for yourself.
    But people have to choose.
    And it’s easier not to.

  199. Boambee John

    I wonder does Numbers follow the “Believe the victims” line in relation to an accusation made following a political gathering some years ago?

  200. feelthebern

    For the first time this year, the Broncos will field a full strength pack & bench.
    Poor Sharkies are the first team to encounter it.
    Will be good to see if they live up to the hype.

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    LIVE: Activists await arrival of Anti-Adani convoy
    Nick Wright, Mackay Daily Mercury
    April 27, 2019 8:13am
    Subscriber only

    ADVOCATES for coal mining and Adani’s Carmichael Mine are awaiting the arrival of the Bob Brown’s Stop Adani Convoy at Jubilee Park.

    The convoy is expected to arrive at 10am, and coal mining supporters have been in preparation for their arrival. United Australia Party leader Clive Palmer in attendance to voice his support of the mining sector.

    Lyn Kenny, a supporter of coal mining in the region, was at the event early with a support the Galilee shirt on and and signs in hand.
    Mick Crowe addresses activists and protesters at Mackay as the two groups prepare to face off.

    She said the industry was crucial for future generations in the region.

    “I was in Dysart for 35 years and I saw what it did when they shut down Norridge Park and the town just went back,” Ms Kenny said.

    “Where is everyone going to live if they shut down these mines, plus my grandchildren – they’re in the mining towns too and need jobs when they grow up.”

    Director of Resource Industry Network Mick Crowe said he wanted rational debate with protesters against coal mining but the reality was nearly 60 per cent of the GDP came from the industry.
    Margaret McPherson, Lyn Kenny and Graham Jenner arrived at the Stop Adani Convoy event early to show their support for the mining sector.

    He said it was important the nation capitalised on its economic strengths and that made coal mining a focal sector.

    “Our industry, our communities and our jobs matter and we want representation that supports us while we continue to be some of the best in the world from what we do,” Mr Crowe said.

    “(Coal)There’s not a job in this region, a piece of infrastructure, a school, a hospital – there’s not anything that is not in some way funded by (coal).

    “People who think this about Adani are wrong, this is about turning off this industry and turning off Australian number 1 export – that will effect every Australia

    Should be a lively old morning.

  202. memoryvault

    Another type of accusation was made, primarily after the audio recording surfaced, by several former Miss USA and Miss Teen USA contestants

    So we have graduated from a mere brutal rape of a 13 year old child, to the much more heinous crime of a dirty old billionaire stealing an eyeful of a bunch of nubile (but legal) young ladies in various states of undress.

    I see your point. This is very serious. Maybe Mueller can investigate.

  203. Makka

    For the first time this year, the Broncos will field a full strength pack & bench.

    bern, the Broncs have played woefully all this year. Worst I have ever seen from them. Bordering on gutless at times. So, it better matter because if it doesn’t my suspicions they they have turned into a bunch of highly paid pooves will be confirmed and that Tallis is dead right about them.

  204. Roger

    Kansas isn’t Kansas anymore, Dorothy:

    Progressive Kansas justices have expanded abortion rights and firewalled the right to abortion against any change in Federal law.

    And this in one of the most pro-life US states.

    Only a popular movement to amend the Kansan constitution will overturn this judicial activism.

    One lone voice on the Kansas Supreme Court bench submitted what is reportedly a brilliant dissent worthy of Scalia.

    Report with links here.

  205. Geriatric Mayfly

    Should be a lively old morning.

    Dr. Brown (For doctor he is) was dusted up by aggrieved workers during the rumpus in Tasmania over dams. I wonder if there will be a reprise. Maybe not a good look though, as he is just a doddering, spindly old nuisance these days.

  206. calli

    P.s you can’t change people much.

    Of course you can.
    You change every time you absorb a new idea and try it for yourself.
    But people have to choose.
    And it’s easier not to.

    Changing an opinion is not the same as changing character.

    It is very difficult for individuals to escape from their automatic fall-back positions when stressed. No impossible, but difficult.

  207. calli

    I see your point. This is very serious. Maybe Mueller can investigate.

    Yes, yes! And did he creep up behind them and paw them and sniff their hair?

    Perhaps there’s some photographic evidence…

  208. Notafan

    There is zero public evidence of how Tax Bill behaves at home other than what is presented in glossy PR exercises.

    I’m sure he’s on his best behaviour, most of the time.

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Maybe not a good look though, as he is just a doddering, spindly old nuisance these days.

    A doddering, spindly old nuisance that’s in receipt of a parliamentary superannuation scheme, funded by the taxpayer. “I care not for the plight of the coal miners of North Queensland, for I am all right, Jack.”

  210. Tom

    Warning to wannabe trolls: if you aren’t as dumb as dogshit and have no comprehension of how the world works, you won’t get the gig.

    For those struggling with basic concepts of left and right, leftism is the name of the post-Christian religion of puritanical depravity (which tolerates no dissent).

    The political right is everyone else.

  211. cohenite

    Talking points about tits:
    A vote for tits is a vote for the greens
    The greens want to close down the coal and agricultural industries because of globall warming
    All current cars will be banned. The new electric cars will be unaffordable and impossible to power because the grid runs on coal, gas and hydro
    All your wealth including what you have after you die will be taxed by tits. That includes capital gains tax, tax on super, no negative gearing, dividends and interest and DEATH duties
    There will be open borders: more congestion, more people, more RoP, more terrorism
    There will be no electricity; when Liddell closes down in 18 months NSW will be totally dependent on QLD . When Bayswater and Eraring close down in 5 years time and QLD closes down its power stations there will be no power
    The unions will run Australia. Tits is controlled by Sally McManus who is a communist. There will be no private businesses.
    Schools will be run by green, lgbtq activists
    The medical system will fail because of the millions of new immigrants many of them illegals who will choke and exhaust medical systems.
    The media will be censored, you will not be able to complain because of Finkelstein

    Any other others?

    I forget about that one:

    Convert the constitution into a declaration of aboriginal rights which are legally enforceable.

  212. calli

    Chloë has anxious eyes. And is eager to please. I suspect she’s been trained all her life.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #2998603, posted on April 27, 2019 at 11:45 am
    Right. Off to make my semi-pro umpiring debut.
    No left handed batsmen on either team will make a run if I’ve got anything to do with it.

    Sinc … ban KD.
    He has a terminal case of Warnerphobia.

  214. Done Deal

    I don’t usually pay too much credence to what appears in electioneering bumff, but if what Palmer says in this video about voting and AEC practices reflect reality it is troubling. Just the stuff about linking the voting system electronically and taking the dead off roles more expeditiously makes good sense, given the razor thin margins in some electorates

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gVQvy1JH2I

  215. Mother Lode

    No one cares except bitter commo fkwits having the world’s longest dummy spit.

    Weird, huh?

    Sounds like Numbers considers Trump did at the outset that which Numbers himself only much later realised he wished he did.

    Numbers might be envious, which in a lefty is the same as hate.

  216. C.L.

    OldOzzie reminds me of Kim Beazley Snr on the transition of the Labor Party from the cream of working class to the [dregs] of the middle class.

    It’s a well known quote. My only problem with Beazley Sr’s observation is that the Labor Party was never filled with the cream of the working class. The cream of the working class didn’t go into politics or shop stewardship. They fought their way into the middle class and upper middle class. While the old generation of Labor luminaries were saner and more normal than today’s ALP degenerates, they did have an elevated, vainglorious opinion of themselves.

  217. Some History

    6,000 Brits who have never smoked die of lung cancer annually, with rates rising
    Scientists say non-smokers will overtake smokers among sufferers in a decade

    Lead author Professor Paul Cosford, medical director of Public Health England, said: ‘For too long, having lung cancer has only been thought of as a smoking-related disease.
    ‘This remains an important association but, as this work shows, the scale of the challenge means there is a need to raise awareness with clinicians and policy makers of the other risk factors, including indoor and outdoor air pollution. By delivering on the promise of a clean air generation we can reduce the number of lung cancers among those who have never smoked.’
    Separate research published by the Royal Brompton Hospital in London found the number of lung cancer operations among non-smokers had doubled in six years.
    It said non-smokers made up 13 per cent of lung cancer cases at the hospital in 2008, but that rose to 28 per cent by 2014. The Royal Brompton doctors said ‘never-smoking lung cancer will be the predominant type of lung cancer within the next ten years’.
    Professor Mick Peake of University College London Hospital, who co-authored the new paper, said: ‘Despite advances in our understanding, most people who have never smoked do not believe they are at risk and often experience long delays in diagnosis, reducing their chances of receiving curative treatment.

    ‘The stigma of smoking has been the major factor behind the lack of interest in, knowledge of and research into lung cancer. Therefore, in many ways, never-smokers who develop lung cancer are, as a result, disadvantaged.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6926119/Why-non-smokers-dying-lung-cancer.html

  218. Some History

    Another angle rarely heard:

    Quitters finish first
    Health warning: giving up smoking can kill
    2007
    “The danger of cigarettes is mostly not in smoking them, argues a study by three doctors at the KS Hegde Medical Academy in Mangalore, India. Or, put another way: the danger comes from not smoking. Figuratively blowing smoke in the face of conventional wisdom, the study asks: “Are lung cancers triggered by stopping smoking?”

    Arunachalam Kumar, Kasaragod Mallya and Jairaj Kumar take little for granted. They begin: “The clinically high correlation between smoking and carcinoma of the lungs has been the focal point in societal campaigns against the habit and the tobacco lobby.” But their experience with patients suggests to them a different, seldom-told story. “We are struck by the more than casual relationship between the appearance of lung cancer and an abrupt and recent cessation of the smoking habit in many, if not most, cases.”

    Experience is their guide, numerically speaking. Of the 312 lung cancer patients they treated during a four-year period, 182 had recently quit smoking. The report goes into detail. “Each had been addicted to the habit no less than 25 years, smoking in excess of 20 sticks a day. The striking direct statistical correlation between cessation of smoking to the development of lung malignancies, more than 60% plus, is too glaring to be dismissed as coincidental.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2007/oct/16/highereducation.research1

  219. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Indigenous referendum to be ‘fully formed’

    Bill Shorten says a Labor referendum on the indigenous voice to parliament would be a “fully formed proposition”.

    This is despite Labor’s future indigenous affairs minister (if the party wins), Pat Dodson, telling The Weekend Australian the proposal could be taken to a referendum without a fully formed model.

    “What we will do is listen to the Uluru Statement from the Heart and we will argue the case for the voice,” Mr Shorten said in Hobart this morning.

    “It will be a fully formed proposition.”

    Senator Dodson told The Weekend Australian that, under a Labor government, voters could go to a referendum with guidelines on how a voice “may work”, but its final form would be decided in the parliament if the constitutional change was successful.

    From the Oz. Flip flop, flip flop…

  220. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bill Shorten says a Labor referendum on the indigenous voice to parliament would be a “fully formed proposition”.

    And the fully formed answer in the referendum will be “no”.
    He knows that, Dodson knows that.

  221. Not at all. We have witnessed over the last 50 years what no-fault divorce has done to the institution of marriage. So, the claim now, that we need pre-nups looks to me like a refusal to acknowledge the damage down by the former, and believing that it is simple pragmaticism to paper over the cracks with the later. No, I say, let’s return to a fault divorce-only arrangement and get back to me in 50 years and we can discuss whether pre-nups are necessary as a consequence.

    Until that time:

    Request – The Increasing Chance You’ll Never Marry

    AaronClarey
    Published on May 7, 2018

    With society programming women to put their careers and educations ahead of marriage and children, there is an increasing chance many men will never marry. Ensure you acknowledge this possibility.

  222. Leigh Lowe:

    This is what the drones at Treasury never factor into their models. The sheer FU factor when someone feels like they are being screwed by Gummint.
    If people are $500k above the DD threshold, many would rather spend it totally inefficiently rather than let Treasury get a penny of it.

    …and just like that, the Taxman puts into reverse the wealth accumulation that created the Australia.
    Not real bright are they?

  223. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And the fully formed answer in the referendum will be “no”.
    He knows that, Dodson knows that.

    Yes, and Dodson also knows that, when the referendum fails, the “white guilt card” will be played to the full. I’ve seen the ‘hurt face, tilty head” “Reconciliation could be at risk here…”

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