Open Forum: May 18, 2019

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  1. mh

    Make your vote count.

    Vote Fraser Anning.

  2. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Thoughts on voting for the Victorian senate.

    Following my original post in late April (took a bit of work to find, too, no thanks to Google or DuckDuckGo; Bing found it first try – yay for Micro$oft!), there’s been a lot of discussion about how to handle the senate. I haven’t taken the time to record and react to every response here, but these stood out:

    – Promote Fraser Anning’s party to #1: I did end up doing this. Thanks for the suggestion, Rabid Koala (Ref: #3001141, posted on April 30, 2019 at 4:27 pm )

    – The ABC’s Antony Green has a list of senate HTVs here (link takes you to Victoria, other states are a click away). Of particular interest is ALA (Now ‘Yellow Vests’ which have two HTVs listed: a top 6 and a full list. Like me, they put the Liberals 6 in their top 6 option, as a backstop, but around 14th in the full deal.

    Finally, Bruce’s assessment earlier today gives a slightly fuller perspective of parties standing in NSW. Between this, you should be able to form a reasonable Senate ballot.

    Earlier post, as it originally appeared:
    ____________________________

    Thoughts on voting for the Victorian senate. I see no compelling reason to go below the line this time, since I am happy for the ACs to get the ① and possibly state-sponsored funding in the ballot-paper order. After that, shall run through the minor parties that I think are okay on balance, and then backstop with the Liberals. Thoughts are largely mine, based on Cat thinking and a quick search of websites. Feel free to try and change my mind (or other Cats’, for that matter). I’ll probably hit the early voting booth tomorrow and get it out of the way. Would also be interested in Cats’ assessments of other states.

    14 A. Liberal/The Nationals Backstop. Vote may as well exhaust after this. Would favour the Nat (because Nat) and not Hume (because Turnbull) if going below the line, but cannot be bothered just for this.
    — B. Republican Party of Australia Some policies okay, but their headline one shall break something.
    — C. Socialist Equality Party Nope
    8 D. The Small Business Party In – seem true to their name.
    6 E. Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group) Conservative, if NSW-centric. Seems no national policy available. 😒
    13 F. United Australia Party Running interference. Hopefully they’ll defect on the first sitting day.
    7 G. Shooters, Fishers and Farmers In. Ricky Muir seems half sensible.
    — H. Climate Action! Immigration Action! Accountable Politicians! Flapping in the wind – tell me what you stand for if you want my vote.
    — I. Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party Veers too far left for me to make a sober recommendation.
    — J. Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party One-issue party. Perhaps that’s all they need, man.
    — K. Citizens Electoral Council Unreal!
    — L. Australian Democrats Might as well be greens.
    — M. Independents For Climate Action Now Greens.
    9 N. Liberal Democrats Happy with the principle of ‘libertarian until it breaks’, even I see it breaking at an earlier point than they do.
    — O. Secular Party of Australia “As secular humanists, we want to challenge the power and privilege of religious institutions in Australia.” Thanks, but no thanks.
    12 P. Labour DLP Fair. Still appears to be largely what the ALP should be.
    5 Q. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Some good, some a bit loopy, but okay in the senate mix.
    — R. Pirate Party Arrrrr, no.
    — S. VOTEFLUX.ORG | Upgrade Democracy! Flapping in the wind – tell me what you stand for if you want my vote.
    — T. Australian Workers Party We already of other labour-orientated parties.
    — U. Animal Justice Party Way too left.
    — V. The Greens (VIC) Slime is also green (personal opinion).
    4 W. Rise Up Australia Party Conservative. Free speech.
    — X. Australian Labor Party Not on the current trajectory.
    11 Y. Sustainable Australia A curate’s egg.
    — Z. Tell me who you are, first.
    3 AA. Fraser Anning’s Conservative National Party Policy vibe a good fit for me.
    1 AB. Australian Conservatives Hope they’ve listened to Lizzie re HTVs.
    10 AC. The Great Australian Party OK. Rod Culleton’s party. Perhaps candidates shall defect to ONP…
    — AD. Health Australia Party Green tinge.
    2 AE. Yellow Vest Australia ALA with a new name. Okay.

    https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/htv/VIC_HTV_YellowVest.jpg

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/senate-vic-htv/

  3. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Bruce’s senate assessment here:.

  4. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Rememeber, if you don’t want to go to Fleeced’s party tonight, there’s always this.

  5. Ubique

    Top ten, you beauty. Been at the footy – a sterling last quarter by the Eagles!

  6. Just remember by about lunch on Monday, we will have a new PM and a cure for cancer.

  7. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Given that no preference is basically a preference shared among all parties remaining in the ballot, I took the approach of putting as many players in the mix as I could stomach.

    The reality of the senate is that each state except the territories shall throw up two ALPs, two Lib/Nats and then the last two positions shall go into the great preferential cauldron. Some states may throw up a third for the majors (may still possibly be a Green if the state veers left), but either way, the last one or two positions needs the candidate to not be at the bottom of the ladder when each rung is pulled away.

    The only way the full result is known is when every senate ballot is scanned into a giant spreadsheet and they hit the Calc [F9] key.

    At a previous election where I went below the line (must have been Abbott’s win, since I had to number each box), I was able to trace the path my vote took through the eliminations until the final seat was determined. Since I have made a note of my vote, I should be able to do the same this time and see the precise step at which my vote helps get someone across the line or gets tossed into the virtual waste paper basket. If it is the latter I won’t care, since I gave a number to everyone I possibly could. If it gets eliminated then, it means all the names still in it are equally bad in my opinion.

  8. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Who is the current possessor of the chaps? They should wear them as they go out to vote.

    If Shorten wins it may no longer be novel after that.

  9. Nelson Kidd-Players

    If Shorten wins it they may no longer be novel after that.

  10. A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that’s just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it’s a joke.

  11. I used to think that this world is full of tragedies, but now I realise..it’s full of comedy

  12. stackja

    AEC NSW gave me 12 below the line list of my own. And I voted my way.

  13. stackja

    If Australian voters are gullible enough to elect ALP again expecting a different result to Gough/RGR that will really be funny.

  14. Shy Ted

    On the first day of Shorten my MP gave to me
    Something they claimed to be free.
    On the second day of Shorten my MP gave to me
    The bill for the thing that was free.
    On the third day of Shorten my MP gave to me
    The interest payment on the thing that was free.

    In the 3rd year of Shorten my MP gave to me
    A job wiping bottoms of the million elderly Chinee
    Who own the place
    Who charge us rent
    Who we bow to
    And a bill for the ABC.

  15. Shy Ted

    If ScoMo can just sneak across the line, David Rowe’ next cartoon might just get him sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

  16. None

    Thanks Tom. Ted , Rowe in meltdown would be a cracker.

    A James Cook University associate professor has resigned from her honorary position over the sacking of professor Peter Ridd, who was dismissed after he criticised the institution’s climate change science. Sheilagh Cronin resigned from the unpaid role at the Townsville … in disgust.

    Honorary staff help attract funding through their research so the loss here is to JCU not Cronin.

  17. Oh come on

    Let’s say Morro wins. Does anyone think his hopeless government will become less hopeless? That seems extremely unlikely to me. I realise that a Shorten government would be worse, but I think the ALP opposing a coalition government three years in the future would be both scream-inducing and a certainty to win the election.

    We need to take our medicine.

  18. None

    Man up, oh come on. No one wants three years of scatological Labor Greens . Do you really think these juvenile arseclowns can run the country? https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/engadine-maccas-plaque-doo-doo-ass/

  19. Oh come on

    “Man up” and vote for the flaccid Libs? None, you are confused.

    I’m not voting Labor but I won’t vote for the Libs.

  20. Good luck with the election, fellow Aussies, from old me sitting in boondocks, Louisiana. Hope it all doesn’t go to hell.

  21. Oh come on

    Look. Shorten has felt so emboldened by coalition weakness that he believes he can put up the policy platform we see. I don’t see any reason why a re-elected Morro government will improve – it’s likely to get worse. What will the state of politics be like in three years if Morro wins today? I think that is genuinely scary.

  22. Oh come on

    Hope it all doesn’t go to hell.

    Too late.

  23. None

    You are talking aboit taking Labir medicine OCO. That’s flaccid. Even if they win it is your duty as a citizen to resist every destructive action proposed by government.

  24. Oh come on

    You are talking aboit taking Labir medicine OCO

    Well, duh. Hence the ‘take the medicine’ metaphor.

    Even if they win it is your duty as a citizen to resist every destructive action proposed by government.

    Fine. Not a point I was contesting, and it’s not particularly relevant to my assertion above, but sure.

  25. hzhousewife

    Carpe Jugulum
    #3011693, posted on May 13, 2019 at 10:47 pm
    Interruptions came in at 43

    A Reader you have won the arseless chaps on demand for the last 6 months

    Wear them with pride.

  26. None

    Bob Hawke saw tackling climate change and a treaty with indigenous people as Australia’s “unfinished business”, says former ACTU secretary Bill Kelty who hailed his close friend and co-architect of the Accord as a “genius”.

    yeah yeah sure sure Kelty, climate change, you f****** liar. And how soon does labour forget that they actually dumped Hawke the tanking the economy so that Keating could totally trash it.

  27. Atoms for Peace

    Any Labor economic medicine will be in the suppository form , good and hard.

  28. Atoms for Peace

    I’d pay for a real time TV app that changes a politicians’ voice to another character. Bill Shorten to Jeannie Little would work fro me .

  29. None

    Imagine how many times Dan Andrews would have had Hawkie arrested for staring at a good sort? https://t.co/2oxSeFUhI4— Real Mark Latham (@RealMarkLatham) May 17, 2019

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  30. Shy Ted

    Despite the ABC hagiography, Gerard Henderson gets it said – It is a matter of record that the trade union movement’s constant demand for across the board pay increases had a deleterious impact on the Whitlam government’s economic performance. Bob Hawke was ACTU president throughout the period of the Whitlam government.
    and
    Bob Hawke, in co-operation with his treasurer Paul Keating, embraced the economic reforms initiated by treasurer John Howard in the final years of Malcolm Fraser’s government along with many of the recommendations on finance in the Campbell Report (which the Fraser government had commissioned) and presided over widespread economic reform. The economic agenda of the Hawke and Keating governments enjoyed the support of the Coalition in opposition – John Howard in particular.
    St Bob indeed.

  31. Atoms for Peace

    Another use for Tilapia in trans surgery

    ‘The process involved inserting two separate molds to create the new vagina. The first device, mounted with the marine membrane, was incorporated inside the vagina over a period of six days.

    In contact with the patient’s body, the sterilized and odor free fish skin displays stimulatory cell growth properties. It is rich in type 1 collagen a substance that promotes healing and has a firmness and elasticity which is as strong and resilient as human skin.

    The tilapia membrane attached to and recoated the walls of the vaginal canal acting like stem cells. These were absorbed into the body, transforming into cellular tissue similar to that of an actual vagina.

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sad news this morning that Grumpy Cat is no longer with us.

    Grumpy Cat, whose real name was Tardar Sauce, died on Tuesday due to “complications from a recent urinary tract infection,” her owners shared in a statement posted to the feline’s official social media accounts on Friday. She was 7.

  33. rickw

    Thanks Tom, Pat Cross #2 for me!

  34. Entropy

    mh
    #3015343, posted on May 18, 2019 at 12:04 am
    Make your vote count.

    Vote Fraser Anning.

    No. He does not have the capability to be a good senator, he is just a blocker. And I thought his behaviour on being sworn in was shitty. While functioning as a blocker may be a good idea on its own, thing is Qld also has Malcolm Roberts on the ballot. While he is on the ONP ticket, he is an intelligent thinker, and should get a one below the line. That is what I recommend if your are pursuing a balance of power approach.

    As for the major parties, vote below the line and do not vote at all for whoever it is in the number one slot. They are sure to be a factional creature not worth feeding. The better options will be below whoever that is.

  35. Entropy

    Of course, if maximum disfunction and entertainment is your bag, Qld can also opt for the fat yellow bastard.

  36. ADVICE FOR THE DAY, AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL ELECTION 2019

    A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that’s just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it’s a joke.

    I used to think that this world is full of tragedies, but now I realise..it’s full of comedy.

    When you stare at the void, it honks back!

    DO NOT vote for major parties at all. In my opinion they have drifted so far from their stated purpose, they need to be put down like an extra from Game of Thrones…just quick wound with a sword into their heart.

  37. Eyrie

    Entropy, Fraser Anning is what a Liberal party Senator ought to be.

  38. None

    From a couple of days ago:

    Labor fears Clive Palmer’s advertising blitz will push it into a minority government, with Mr Palmer’s ad lines being repeated back to it in focus groups.

    The party had hoped to win as many as 80 seats on Saturday — with 76 required for a majority in the House of Representatives.

    Labor now believes it will win between 74 and 79 seats and Mr Palmer’s preferences could be critical to it finishing without a ­majority. With Mr Palmer polling more than double digits in the western Sydney seat of Lindsay, that seat appears a loss for Labor, according to internal polling, and is shaping as a gain for the Liberals.

    Mr Palmer’s slogan “Make Australia Great again” has been parroted back by marginal-seat voters to Labor pollsters.

    And the party fears a United Australia Party recommendation to preference Liberal candidates will hurt them and make the difference between ­majority and minority government.

    Labor still hopes it can snatch Reid and/or Gilmore in NSW, but fears Lindsay is lost and is having to fight rearguard actions in Macquarie, Paterson and Dobell to stave off Liberal upsets in those seats. In the seat of Robertson, held by the Liberals by 1.4 per cent, Labor is polling in the range of 49 to 50 per cent and within reach of snatching the seat.

    The party expects to pick up at least four seats in Victoria and a couple (net) in both Queensland and Western Australia to potentially take it to 78.

    “Clive has f . . ked us,” one Labor source said. “He’s killing us.”

    At pre-polling booths, UAP workers are said to be yelling out “stop shifty Shorten”.

    those are two lines that Morrison should have been using. Liberals however have run a flip campaign ( as in who cares who wins a seat just get some bums on the seat to win) and left people like Dutton and Abbott to swim on their own. This is very much the crosby-textor strategy that got Cameron over the line in the UK with a massive increase when everyone was saying he’d lose big. It’s a strategy that says fuck the majority and your face just go for the pap Leftis. . And we all saw how wonderful Cameron was. Vote mercenary, people and take the trash out.

  39. I’m going to be very blunt.

    If you’re NOT voting for the LDP and Australian Conservatives, you’re basically voting FOR socialism.

  40. Atoms for Peace

    Bruce. That news has affected me more than Hawke. Mind you, we may just be about to vote in a government full of soul sucking humorless pussies.

  41. Interesting take.

    Be kind to wayward folks here with obvious sleep deprivation and monomaniacal obsessions!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6048360/

    Frontiers in Psychiatry. 2018; 9: 303.
    Published online 2018 Jul 10. doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2018.00303
    PMCID: PMC6048360
    PMID: 30042701
    Severe Sleep Deprivation Causes Hallucinations and a Gradual Progression Toward Psychosis With Increasing Time Awake
    Flavie Waters,1,2 Vivian Chiu,1,3 Amanda Atkinson,2 and Jan Dirk Blom4,5,6,*

    Conclusions: Psychotic symptoms develop with increasing time awake, from simple visual/somatosensory misperceptions to hallucinations and delusions, ending in a condition resembling acute psychosis. These experiences are likely to resolve after a period of sleep, although more information is required to identify factors which can contribute to the prevention of persistent symptoms.

    If you know them IRL, maybe get an UberEats or Menulog drone to ferry in some warm milk and a bit of carb heavy chow.

  42. None

    I’m leaving LDP entirely off my ticket. Worse than Greens. Thank you David and Frank.

  43. Atoms for Peace

    Frank..makes you wonder what sort of decisions politicians are making after 24 hour sessions etc in the house

  44. http://digg.com/video/joe-rogan-voice-recreated-artificial-intelligence

    You ought to check out Lyre Bird, augmented reality; also the facebook bots talking in their own, AI invented, indecipherable (to us) “twin language”

    If we are going to have big government and this technology, the future is perhaps rather bleak.

    The system goes on-line May 19th, 2019. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 p.m.

    That is somewhat scary, so here is some music to calm you nerves.

  45. calli

    When you stare at the void, it honks back

    That’s a keeper.

  46. Robber Baron

    The Shorten 1000 year Reich is upon us.

    The purge begins at midnight tonight.

    It’s time to delete all social media accounts and change IP addresses.

    I will buy a hi-vis jacket on Monday and put a CFMMEU sticker on my car. Where can l purchase these essential survival items?

  47. Cassie of Sydney

    “If you’re NOT voting for the LDP and Australian Conservatives,”

    The LDP and the Australian Conservatives….remind me who they are? I’m racking my brain…..never heard of them.

    I have heard of One Nation, Fraser Anning, Katter Australia and Palmer’s party.

  48. Crossie

    Pat Cross’s second cartoon today really hits the mark.

    Now off to hand out HTV leaflets.

  49. Hmmm…

    Dan Blizerian has failed at almost everything except spending his inheritance*, had two heart attacks at 25 and a third one…Mike Tyson (FFS) will live longer than him.

    *His father has been convicted twice for financial crimes.

    He is interesting to listen to, but a role model?

    He’s like a rich Armenian Kenny Powers.

  50. Entropy

    Actually looking at the senate ballot Qld definitely will have the most fun voting. What a rabble!

  51. I have heard of One Nation, Fraser Anning, Katter Australia and Palmer’s party.

    I have donated money to the LDP, paid memberships etc.

    Not much, but those complaining have to stump up more cash. I don’t care if you don’t like it. Clive spent 59 mn AUD on this election apparently.

    Bitch and moan all we like, but the majors have corps. stitched up with a protection racket and the LNP will make at least 27 mn from electoral subsidies from the election today alone.

  52. Twostix

    If labor win and America come knocking for Alexander Downer he’s going to have a bad day!

  53. Empire 5:5

    Astute observations from last night.

    twostix
    #3015335, posted on May 17, 2019 at 11:48 pm

    POLICE: A volunteer putting up election posters in Tony Abbott’s Sydney seat of Warringah, has been treated on scene, after another man attempted to stab him in the stomach with a weapon believed to be a screwdriver.

    Like I’ve been saying.

    A large section of the population, otherwise ‘normal’ people mostly with office jobs, have gone completely insane. They’re in the grip of a bolshevik fever, they’ve had their brains melted by three years of nonstop gorging on TrumpHate. And if Labor get in that government will be the weapon by which they will unleash their insane inner rage on us all.

    twostix
    #3015340, posted on May 17, 2019 at 11:54 pm
    video of the stabbing
    https://mobile.twitter.com/leefurlong/status/1129344931292516352

    Listen to how tightly wound he is. These people are a minute from midnight away from drinking the coolaid or massacring people if the Huffington Post orders the ABC and Guardian to print some stories telling them to.

  54. What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for? Keep in mind he’s not an American.

  55. C.L.

    It will certainly be funny if Morrison wins.
    It’s Not Time.

  56. min

    Last night I started to listen to Jordan Peterson debate about Marxism with some fellow with double PHD one in philosophy and one in psychoanalysis. Jordan was giving a critical analysis on the Marxist manifesto and what struck me was the similarity with what Shorten has been spouting . Change Bourgoisie to Big end of town and proletariat to the Wukkers and there it is Shorten’s policies straight out of the Marxist hymn book.
    My concern is if Shorten gets in ,Oz will end up like Victoriastan , rule of law ignored , DPP preventing cases going to court such as the red shirts, any crimes involving certain groups or left wing politicians and ruled by the unions in return for financial support.
    Conservatives are so apathetic it is almost as if rape is inevitable so lie back and wait until it happens again and again and again .
    When will we start to push back like the gilets jaunes? I wish I were 20 years younger
    Perhaps put conservative politicians through some workshops with Jordan Peterson , He filled the Sony Auditorium snd joked the tickets to this event were scalped at a higher price than some huge sporting event.

  57. pete m

    We voted in the Senate in Qld and after Aus Con, Lib Dem and LNP it was a struggle. Went with ONP, Fraser Anning and SFF. If memory serves.

  58. calli

    There just won’t be enough Mortein.

    Welcome to RoachWorld.

  59. Stimpson J. Cat

    Severe Sleep Deprivation Causes Hallucinations and a Gradual Progression Toward Psychosis With Increasing Time Awake

    It’s so so true.
    Confirmed!!!

  60. lotocoti

    Fraser Anning is what a Liberal party Senator ought to be.

    Problem is this: Win, lose or draw, the twinkle-toed cucksockers formerly known as the LNP, eager to avoid the ire of those who never vote LNP, would publicly refuse to accept his vote in the Senate.

  61. Cassie of Sydney

    “My concern is if Shorten gets in ,Oz will end up like Victoriastan , rule of law ignored , DPP preventing cases going to court such as the red shirts, any crimes involving certain groups or left wing politicians and ruled by the unions in return for financial support.”

    That’s the future…it’s just hours away.

  62. calli

    Sad old gays pulling down Abbott posters, stabbing challengers with a screwdriver and shrilly claiming victimhood.

    Nice country we had there. Something happened to it.

  63. Perhaps put conservative politicians through some workshops with Jordan Peterson

    Jesus not this nonsense. Why do I need this from a Johnny Come Lately in anti PC politics, giving me a lecture on archetypes in literature? WOW. Another IDEA!

    1. IDEAS. Great. Everyone fucking has them.

    2. People. Want to run for office? Nope?

    3. Money…no, sorry, we will criticise your preposterous FB campaigning but we won’t chip in for you to have decent ads on TV or radio. But hey let’s spend “scalper prices” to listen to JP’s lectures WHICH ARE BASICALLY AVAILABLE FOR FREE ON YOU TUBE…

    This is basically how minor party politics fails in Australia.

  64. calli

    They’ll have me before the beak in no time flat.

    I have a habit of quoting Hate Speech from the Bible.

    Guess I’ll have to learn how to play the harmonica.

  65. rickw

    I’m going to be very blunt.

    If you’re NOT voting for the LDP and Australian Conservatives, you’re basically voting FOR socialism.

    Yep

  66. Cassie of Sydney

    “lotocoti
    #3015442, posted on May 18, 2019 at 7:51 am
    Fraser Anning is what a Liberal party Senator ought to be.

    Problem is this: Win, lose or draw, the twinkle-toed cucksockers formerly known as the LNP, eager to avoid the ire of those who never vote LNP, would publicly refuse to accept his vote in the Senate.”

    Yep…that’s the gutless LNP for you…meanwhile the Labor party happily accepts preferences from the Jooooo hating Marxist Greens. All Morrison had to say…..a month ago….when being pestered by a left wing press about One Nation is the following….

    “We will preference One Nation last when the Labor party preference the Greens last…and until that happens….end of discussion”.

    But of course Morrison didn’t say that.

  67. C.L.

    Tingle has a piece at ABC Online on how Hawke and Keating were always respectful and ‘graceful’ towards their opponents – unlike evil Abbott. I must be imaging those memories of Keating mocking and denouncing Menzies and other Liberal leaders for the better part of 25 years. I do know Bob Menzies was never a salaried employee of the Chinese government.

  68. min

    I’m not being a prick.

    Do you understand how much MONEY the major parties and Clive Palmer’s Fat Bastard Party actually have.

    IIRC, the ALP and LNP make about 20 mn a year from political donations from the private sector in a protection racket like fashion – then they fleece members for membership fees of 130 AUD a pop or more.

    Then they are paid 2.752 per vote IIRC. The LNP will make 27 mn AUD from THIS election alone.

    Palmer spent 59 million this election.

    This does not include the Greens or even the Australian Democrats who are largely funded by affluent private sector donors.

    The minor parties on the right are going up against a 150 mn+ AUD* machine.

    *That’s a LOW estimate.

    Let’s say that the ACP and LDP have 22,000 members all up.

    Do you think we all donated $700 on average? That’s beyond my werewithal and I have my own life to live.

    How much exactly were the tickets to that JP thing? $300?

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Not fully understanding the import of election day when I was still in shorts, there was, nevertheless, unusual frisson in the household. Come evening, the Radiola brought news of the day’s events. Much tut-tutting around the table as reports of brawls and punch-ups at various locations were broadcast with great solemnity. This standard feature took some of the dullness out of an otherwise dreary Saturday. Are the good old days returning to Warringah?

  70. rickw

    Sad old gays pulling down Abbott posters, stabbing challengers with a screwdriver and shrilly claiming victimhood.

    Nice country we had there. Something happened to it.

    Socialism.

  71. mh

    Bill Shorten on the front of the Tele in a red I Am A Cuck t shirt.

    C’mon Australia, we’re better than this. Put Labor last.

  72. The fix is in. Giving money to Layba is good, PHON, well that’s just a scam.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-15/public-federal-election-funding-explained/11093456

    Such a pretty young thing morphing into a cat lady with the requisite bead jewelry.

  73. Stimpson J. Cat

    Remember Custard, if they bring a screwdriver to stab you, you bring a pair of trailer shackles on a chain.
    No mercy!
    Good luck!!!!

  74. The fix is in. Giving money to Layba is good, PHON, well that’s just a scam.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-15/public-federal-election-funding-explained/11093456

    Such a pretty young thing morphing into a cat lady with the requisite costume bead necklace.

  75. Stimpson J. Cat

    Bill Shorten on the front of the Tele in a red I Am A Cuck t shirt.

    Is it a cold morning?
    Asking for a friend.

  76. DrBeauGan

    3. Money…no, sorry, we will criticise your preposterous FB campaigning but we won’t chip in for you to have decent ads on TV or radio.

    I wasn’t going to chip in for the crap ad featuring Cory I’m a nice guy Bernardi. I haven’t seen any ad I would chip in for. The best ads out there are Clive’s, God help us all.

  77. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    C’mon Australia, we’re better than this. Put Labor last.

    greens last, labor second last

  78. lotocoti

    greens last, labor second last

    Always and forever.

  79. Twostix

    “My concern is if Shorten gets in ,Oz will end up like Victoriastan , rule of law ignored , DPP preventing cases going to court such as the red shirts, any crimes involving certain groups or left wing politicians and ruled by the unions in return for financial support.”

    None of this is anything. They will:

    – Change the hatespeech laws to ban the last vestiges of public christianity – the Foleau thing is simply the ground being prepared for that campaign.

    – Enact laws to “stop” “rightwing extremism” online (meaning stop average liberal voters speaking).

    – Spin up the HRC and have a bunch of show trials of rightwing “trolls”.

    – Ban christian hospitals and charities by linking medicare funding to abortion.

    – Allow victorian safe schools level depravity into the national curriculum.

    As a broader thing they will dump muzzle hillbillies into marginal seats in QLD. Too long has racist white QLD resisted mandatory diversity and its people thought they have the right to control their own destiny and communities.

  80. Cassie of Sydney

    “DrBeauGan
    #3015460, posted on May 18, 2019 at 8:09 am
    3. Money…no, sorry, we will criticise your preposterous FB campaigning but we won’t chip in for you to have decent ads on TV or radio.

    I wasn’t going to chip in for the crap ad featuring Cory I’m a nice guy Bernardi. I haven’t seen any ad I would chip in for. The best ads out there are Clive’s, God help us all.”

    Agree entirely.

  81. Geriatric Mayfly

    C’mon Australia, we’re better than this. Put Labor last.
    greens last, labor second last

    As i said above – NOT if the Labor harpy is an Emily’s Lister. She goes dead last.

  82. bespoke

    Monday I”m joining the ALP and and moving all owe super to an industry fund. Then applying for a job in the new Cultural Enforcement Unit, I already have steel caps. You capitalist pigs who saved and invested need to learn share what you’v worked so hard for.

  83. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Any of the lurkers out there who vote for ALP and think looting retirees is acceptable, you need to have a good long hard look at yourselves. shame on you!

  84. Old School Conservative

    All the best Frank.
    Just when I was starting to understand your jargon too!

  85. Empire 5:5

    DO NOT vote for major parties at all. In my opinion they have drifted so far from their stated purpose, they need to be put down like an extra from Game of Thrones…just quick wound with a sword into their heart.

    The forrest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe because its handle was made of wood and they thought it was one of them.

  86. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I think Rowe has had a psychotic breakdown, maybe a safety check is in order?

  87. …and now for my final thought. (I never thought a 220 lb German man signing a metal song could sound so much like a lullaby).

    Our future under Dear Leader PM Tanya Plibersek. Or maybe under PM Fembot Catherine King.

    A government addicted in a literal sense to rivers of gold won from the earth by the working class. A scary plot twist for taxpayers at the end as well!

  88. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Cat as we know it will cease to exist under uberfuhrer Shorten’s 18C on steroids.

  89. bespoke

    Cheers, Frank of Tiles.

  90. Des Deskperson

    ‘Tingle has a piece at ABC Online on how Hawke and Keating were always respectful and ‘graceful’ towards their opponents –’

    Hawke was a vindictive s**t when he thought he had been crossed. See my story about John Enfield from the Hawke RIP thread.

    I was able to get a street in the new suburb of Casey in Canberra named after John Enfield.

    Which reminds me, Canberra will now get – probably as a matter of top priority – a new suburb named ‘Hawke’!

  91. bespoke

    nothing to feed your animals

    Is Palmer giving out free pet food?

  92. Geriatric Mayfly

    Which reminds me, Canberra will now get – probably as a matter of top priority – a new suburb named ‘Hawke’!

    The residents will be raptorous.

  93. Tom

    …and now for my final thought.

    Thank God!

  94. John Constantine

    Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle admits it would be wrong to suggest the Israel Folau saga couldn’t have been handled better.

    RA on Friday terminated the Wallabies and NSW Waratahs superstar’s four-year, $4 million contract after an independent three-person panel found his controversial social media posts warranted his sacking.

    Folau last month posted a biblical quote which said “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters” would go to hell unless they repented.

    Castle said the decision would change the landscape for sport across Australia and perhaps internationally.

    Jacindamania incites copycat suicides.

    Boasting of spreading change in the landscape worldwide by crushing free speech, Jacindamania style where she has the power.

    Next week, it will Bring You To The Attention of the state to critique their castle for her progression of cultural Marxism.

    Comrades.

  95. dover_beach

    Listen to how tightly wound he is. These people are a minute from midnight away from drinking the coolaid or massacring people if the Huffington Post orders the ABC and Guardian to print some stories telling them to.

    This is exactly right. These people have been incited by the media to fever point and are just gagging for a green light to maim and steal from their opponents. The chief proponents and practitioners of hate speech are Leftists. As we have found, the Left are always doing themselves what they accusing their opponents of doing.

  96. lotocoti

    You capitalist pigs who saved and invested need to learn share what you’v worked so hard for.

    Preach it comrade!
    (Reviews Plan Blue wherein a catastrophic and newly developed gambling addiction empties bank accounts and the superannuation fund is converted into an Aston Martin packed with sacks of cash, hookers, blow and a pair of thongs to wear to Centrelink.)

  97. dover_beach

    BTW, any coverage of this assault on normie TV this morning?

  98. John Constantine

    Australia will get a new electorate named ‘hawke’, not named after Hazel.

    [‘believe all women’ doesn’t mean believe dumped and discarded ‘past their use by date’ labor comfort women.]

    Comrades.

  99. Tom

    Hey, Custard. Hope you enjoy the day when the sun eventually rises over there.

    Did the deed early on the coldest (and foggiest) day of the year so far in southern Vicco: AC 1-2-3 below the line in the Senate.

    No more voting during the afternoon crush for me.

    Now I can sit back and count my winnings as Brooks Koepke streets the field in the PGA Championship. He should have been $2.50 and I got $11!

  100. mh

    Ok, I give in. I’m now on board the Shorten Labor train.

    Want to Dismantle Capitalism? Abolish the Family

    Feminist theorist Sophie Lewis’s new book looks at how rethinking pregnancy and the idea of family as forms of labor is central to emancipatory politics.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/want-to-dismantle-capitalism-abolish-the-family/

  101. min

    What is this nonsense about Keating being respectful? I can remember that he made Beasley’s life a misery with constant put downs . He was extremely rude to John Howard and his cruel putdowns were made into a comedy tape . They were extremely funny but hurtful , pejorative remarks . Tingle has a very poor memory
    Keating talked about little Johnny Howard who btw was taller than Hawke. Typical of the left that have poor selective memories
    Just seen and heard Shorten’s support of Alex Turnbull ‘s lies about Abbott getting rid of his father . No one seems to remember that that this was Turnbull’s behaviour towards Abbott . Oh but that was different because Tony deserved to be undermined , leaked against and deposed . Nasty narcissists all 3 of them .

  102. None

    Let’s also remind people that Labor booted Hawke. That was the first knifing that set the ball rolling.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Back from walk up to the local booth.

    About a dozen people in the line just after 8am, voting quick because the AEC had twice as many voting booths and crosser-offers than the NSW EC did at the recent state election.

    Very quiet at the gate. Only one person handing out HTVs – a formidable ALP lady in bright red coat and hat. Three Australian Conservatives corflutes and nothing else. No sausage sangas, no lamingtons, and no Nats or PHON election stuff. Two Greens were just starting to put up their placards as I left the booth. Greens clearly like to sleep in on a Saturday.

    I got it right this time. When I was walking up to do the state vote a magpie landed in front of me looking hopeful, but sadly I’d nothing to give her. This time I took a bit of food – and sure enough she again landed in front of me. So she got breakfast!

    Pretty amazing as that particular magpie (who is easy to pick since she has no tail) hadn’t seen me for at least 6 months before the state election day, yet as soon as I came into her territory she was right there.

  104. None

    Mark Latham had a great line the other day that #metoo would have been problematic for Hawke.

  105. lotocoti

    Sweet baby cheeses, come take me now.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    Anyone got any thoughts on the Victorian Senate ticket?

  107. Helen

    I noticed that Bills mob have had ads in the NT News and mail outs in yellow on black, some what mimicking Clive’s colours and bagging the coalition and the only way you would know it was ALP is the very very very small writing down the bottom, authorising it.

    Clowns – they must be desperate to resort to such blatant trickery.

    Oh hang on, Electrickery Bill, it goes with the name.

  108. vr

    Observation from RYAN, QLD.

    The Liberals and Labor asked for their HTW cards back. The Greens didn’t. Too busy chatting chatting among themselves.

    The demographic of the polling station has changed. Lot more folks in their 20s. At this stage, seem to be rusted on Greens voter. One of them was picking on the young pimply Lib worker — Asks him a question and then completely distorts his replies. Had to step in and say something like “I didn’t hear him say that”.

  109. Some History

    The GLibs or the Labor Camp.
    Leaders that have the charisma of potato peels.
    Truly inspiring.

  110. Old School Conservative

    The funniest thing I have seen in this electoral campaign has been Shorten trying to look presidential in his speeches.

    The rehearsed changes of tone and speed, fake eye contact with everybody, and attempts at soaring rhetoric are all doomed to failure because of a grating voice and insincere face.

    I hope I’m still laughing tomorrow at his concession and resignation speeches.

  111. Win

    A fixed wing plane is flying low over the residential Dickson electorate at the moment trailing a long red banner. Can’t read what’s on it.

  112. Leigh Lowe

    Well, well, well.
    It looks like the Italians have got a heads up from Donald and had a clean out.

    In a surprise move Wednesday, Giuseppe Conte, the prime minister of Italy, fired the top management of three Italian intelligence agencies.

    The move is being seen as the Conte government’s response to the previous government’s coordinated surveillance activity with U.S. intelligence officials during the 2016 U.S. election.

  113. Tom

    After his triumph as a 43-year-old at the Masters last month, Tiger Woods (+5) missed the cut in the PGA Championship at Bethpage Black on Long Island, where he won the US Open in 2002. Brutal course — unless you’re Brooks Koepke (-12 — a PGA Championship 36-hole record), who leads by SEVEN strokes.

  114. None

    Now. now Calli the Catallaxy Red Men’s Shed Collective heartily disapproved of me suggesting Mr Stabby was a gay playing the victim card last night.

  115. Entropy

    As a Queenslander, I am enjoying all these stories of coats, scarves and coldness when going out to vote.

  116. Entropy

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3015505, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:01 am
    please god, socialists next…
    Only 80,000 koalas remain in the world, rendering them ‘functionally extinct’ — another victim of the 6th mass extinction

    Not in my suburb. Almost outnumber the possums the noisy bastards.

    Only a little hyperbole.

  117. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #3015498, posted on May 18, 2019 at 8:53 am
    Anyone got any thoughts on the Victorian Senate ticket?

    D. The Small Business Party
    KEMP, Simon
    The Small Business Party

    GRAHAM, Peter
    The Small Business Party

    E. Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group)
    PAYNE, Bob
    Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group)

    MURPHY, Kevin
    Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group)

    G. Shooters, Fishers and Farmers
    MUIR, Ricky
    Shooters, Fishers and Farmers

    STOCK, Damian
    Shooters, Fishers and Farmers

    P. Labour DLP
    BOWDEN, Jennifer A
    Labour DLP

    McCORMACK, Chris
    Labour DLP

    BREAKWELL, Kathryn
    Labour DLP

    Q. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation
    HALLAM, James
    Pauline Hanson’s One Nation

    CAMERON, Ian John
    Pauline Hanson’s One Nation

    W. Rise Up Australia Party
    CRESTANI, Rosalie
    Rise Up Australia Party

    NALLIAH, Daniel
    Rise Up Australia Party

    Y. Sustainable Australia
    DOENSEN, Allan
    Sustainable Australia

    WEARNE, Madeleine
    Sustainable Australia

    AA. FRASER ANNING’S CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PARTY
    STEVENS, Bruce
    FRASER ANNING’S CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PARTY

    MAZALEVSKIS, Rita
    FRASER ANNING’S CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PARTY

    WILLIAMSON, Benjamin
    FRASER ANNING’S CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PARTY

    AB. Australian Conservatives
    BAILEY, Kevin
    Australian Conservatives

    VAN STRIJP, Nina
    Australian Conservatives

    THOMAS, Trent
    Australian Conservatives

  118. Twostix

    Voted observations:
    Absolute battleground seat at a battleground polling place but compared to the last two elections which were an absolite circus this time almost nobody at the polling place.

    Genuinely spoiled for choice in the senate. These parties need to merge.

  119. feelthebern

    What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for?

    Well known American saying:
    You can indict a ham sandwich.

    If questioned like they did Flynn & Papadopoulos, they would get him on lying to the FBI.
    & what about illegally recording Papadopoulous.
    But who cares?
    The process is the punishment.
    & Downer is one of the weak links in the Comey, Brennan sting op.

  120. None

    Word Old school. Even Hawke said Bill will. nevr set the world on fire. Asleep maybe after which he would euthanize us. But an orator he ain’t.

  121. Percy Popinjay

    Let’s have a big democracy cakewalk, peoples! 🙂

  122. A morning greeting of “Greens uber alles!” would probably be wasted on the gangreen HTV people.
    Any suggestions?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Stackja.
    I was a bit wary of Small Business Party because they preferenced Derryn Hunch #2.

  124. Zatara

    What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for?

    Nothing. But he could kiss his visas, both personal and diplomatic, goodbye. Along with that gig at the UN politicians all seem to retire to.

  125. None

    Sustainabe Australia??? WTF

  126. Percy Popinjay

    Remember, you only need to number six boxes if voting “below the line” in the senate.

  127. bespoke

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    To the GOP extremists trying to invoke “the unborn” to jail people for abortion:

    Where are you on climate change? OH right, you want to burn fossil fuels til there’s hell on Earth.

    If they were truthful about their motives, they’d be consistent in their principles. They’re not.

  128. Percy Popinjay

    Any suggestions?

    Sod off, swampy!

  129. Entropy

    Percy, I dont think you are correct.

  130. Tailgunner

    I’m going up during peak hour, rolling my Trump 2016 shirt&MAGA hat. Come at me, screwdriver fags.

  131. Indolent

    greens last, labor second last
    Always and forever.

    That’s been my credo too, but this time I made an exception for Phelps.

  132. Entropy

    AOC: climate change is the reason for anything I want to do.

  133. Percy Popinjay

    Here’s the relevant section from the Commonwealth Electoral Amendment Act 2016 (describing the 2016 senate voting amendments):

    268A Formal votes below the line

    (1) A ballot paper in a Senate election is not informal under paragraph 268(1)(b) if:

    (a) the voter has marked the ballot paper in accordance with paragraph 239(1)(b); or

    (b) if there are more than 6 squares printed on the ballot paper below the line—the voter has consecutively numbered any of those squares from 1 to 6 (whether or not the voter has also included one or more higher numbers in those squares).

  134. miltonf

    6 above the line, 12 below the line

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    Now. now Calli the Catallaxy Red Men’s Shed Collective heartily disapproved of me suggesting Mr Stabby was a gay playing the victim card last night.

    I really don’t think so, Mrs Grigsie.

  136. Percy Popinjay

    The AEC are an utterly corrupted, staggeringly incompetent joke.

  137. Percy Popinjay

    6 above the line, 12 below the line

    Wrong.

  138. calli

    Bye for now, Dot.

    I will continue the 🤡🌎 stuff on your behalf. It’s just perfect.

    Honk.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    I hope you are wearing Hi-Vis, a hardhat, and your union ticket in solidarity with the Brothers this morning Gunner.
    MAGA hat on top of course.
    😁

  140. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #3015516, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:10 am
    Thanks Stackja.
    I was a bit wary of Small Business Party because they preferenced Derryn Hunch #2.

    The Small Business Party is an Australian Political party founded in 2018 by City of Sydney Councillor, Angela Vithoulkas.

    Angela Vithoulkas is a favourite of AJ and fought Clover Moore and the disruption of Sydney light rail.

  141. Leigh Lowe

    What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for?

    He will claim he was simply being a good diplomatic type and “reaching out” to a foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign.
    He will further claim that he only reported his contact after “Wussia, Wussia, Wussia” became public.
    Where it gets awkward is the timing and nature of his contacts with the plotters before the meeting in London and then before Wussian interference became a story.
    He would be in the second wave.
    If a US citizen caught in the first wave if Barr’s investigation gives him up, he is in a spot.

  142. DrBeauGan

    7:20 in Perth and my AccuWeather app.tells me it’s 5°.

  143. stackja

    ‘Caine Mutiny,’ ‘Winds of War’ author Herman Wouk has died
    By HILLEL ITALIE
    today

    NEW YORK (AP) — Herman Wouk, the versatile, Pulitzer Prize winning author of such million-selling novels as “The Caine Mutiny” and “The Winds of War” whose steady Jewish faith inspired his stories of religious values and secular success, died on Friday at 103.

    Wouk was just 10 days shy of his 104th birthday and was working on a book until the end, said his literary agent Amy Rennert.

    Rennert said Wouk died in his sleep at his home in Palm Springs, California, where he settled after spending many years in Washington, D.C.

    Among the last of the major writers to emerge after World War II and first to bring J-wish stories to a general audience, he had a long, unpredictable career that included gag writing for radio star Fred Allen, historical fiction and a musical co-written with Jimmy Buffett. He won the Pulitzer in 1952 for “The Caine Mutiny,” the classic Navy drama that made the unstable Captain Queeg, with the metal balls he rolls in his hand and his talk of stolen strawberries, a symbol of authority gone mad. A film adaptation, starring Humphrey Bogart, came out in 1954 and Wouk turned the courtroom scene into the play “The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial.”

  144. Woolfe

    Here is my WA Senate

    Num Party Letter
    1 AusCon M
    2 FR An Con E
    3 one nation A
    4 Lib Dem N
    5 UAP I
    6 Lib C

    But going to vote below line for Custard

  145. calli

    BTW, any coverage of this assault on normie TV this morning?

    Yes, Dover. Seven ran an edited version. They said the stabbing was done with a corkscrew, not a screwdriver. If he was there to dismantle Liberal Party installations, a corkscrew sounds like media softening bullsh*t. A screwdriver can be a deadly weapon.

    On Keating being a gentleman…get ready for more history being rewritten.

    The victors are at leisure to do so, and anyone with a different opinion will be pinged for Hate Speech.

  146. stackja

    ‘Caine Mutiny,’ ‘Winds of War’ author Herman Wouk has died
    By HILLEL ITALIE
    today

    NEW YORK (AP) — Herman Wouk, the versatile, Pulitzer Prize winning author of such million-selling novels as “The Caine Mutiny” and “The Winds of War” whose steady J-wish faith inspired his stories of religious values and secular success, died on Friday at 103.

    Wouk was just 10 days shy of his 104th birthday and was working on a book until the end, said his literary agent Amy Rennert.

    Rennert said Wouk died in his sleep at his home in Palm Springs, California, where he settled after spending many years in Washington, D.C.

    Among the last of the major writers to emerge after World War II and first to bring J-wish stories to a general audience, he had a long, unpredictable career that included gag writing for radio star Fred Allen, historical fiction and a musical co-written with Jimmy Buffett. He won the Pulitzer in 1952 for “The Caine Mutiny,” the classic Navy drama that made the unstable Captain Queeg, with the metal balls he rolls in his hand and his talk of stolen strawberries, a symbol of authority gone mad. A film adaptation, starring Humphrey Bogart, came out in 1954 and Wouk turned the courtroom scene into the play “The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial.”

  147. Percy Popinjay

    7:20 in Perth and my AccuWeather app.tells me it’s 5°.

    Thank goodness for Gerbil Worming, eh, Beaugy?

  148. Leigh Lowe

    The Small Business Party is an Australian Political party founded in 2018 by City of Sydney Councillor, Angela Vithoulkas.

    Angela Vithoulkas is a favourite of AJ and fought Clover Moore and the disruption of Sydney light rail.

    So why preference Hunch?
    He isn’t particularly pro-business … big or small.
    Sure, he postures a lot, but doesn’t actually do much.
    This is why I am suspect of single “above the line” voting gor minors.
    You need to be wary of their preferences, and they aren’t always what you might expect.

  149. bespoke

    Hunch is also and anti common law loon.

  150. None

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3015528, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:17 am

    There you go Stimpson http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/05/13/monday-forum-may-13-2019/comment-page-13/#comment-3015371. Try claiming senility. You’d still be demented but people might not laugh at you.

  151. feelthebern

    He would be in the second wave.
    If a US citizen caught in the first wave if Barr’s investigation gives him up, he is in a spot.

    I reckon they will go after the two Aussies Papadopoulos names pre Alexander Downer.
    Far easier to flip them.
    They could have already done that & gagged them from telling anyone.
    Downer, Comey, Brennan, Clapper will be at the long list of interviewees.

  152. Arky

    Jesus not this nonsense. Why do I need this from a Johnny Come Lately in anti PC politics, giving me a lecture on archetypes in literature? WOW. Another IDEA!

    ..
    Start being as interesting as JP and you will get the money.
    It is a market.
    Lift your game.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for?

    Nothing. But he could kiss his visas, both personal and diplomatic, goodbye. Along with that gig at the UN politicians all seem to retire to.

    What would be funny is if Canberra appointed him to a plum job in NYC or Washington.
    Something tasty, but without a diplomatic passport (a trade commissioner or somesuch).
    Then watch him squirm to avoid taking up the posting … “Um, can I do it from Adelaide by phone?”

  154. Entropy

    DrBeauGan
    #3015537, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:22 am
    7:20 in Perth and my AccuWeather app.tells me it’s 5°.

    20.4 C outside according to my weather station.

  155. stackja

    Woolfe
    #3015539, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Remember 6 above the line or 12 below the line.

    How to complete the ballot paper

    Above the line
    If you vote above the line, you need to number at least six boxes from 1 to 6.

    Below the line
    If you vote below the line, you need to number at least 12 boxes from 1 to 12.

    I created my own HTV of 12 for below the line.

  156. None

    Correct Leigh. I have always voted below the line – even numbering over 100 candidates in some elections in the past. A few minutes every three years isn’t going to kill you but laziness at the ballot box probably will.

  157. Vagabond

    At the polling booth fete there were no decent jams any more, the old ladies who used to make them now in nursing homes they told me. Lots of books though, cloth covered hardback classics and some great Australiana that evoked sadness about what we’re losing. And for a chuckle, many copies of 50 Shades of Grey that had clearly outlived their usefulness.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Hunch is also and anti common law loon.

    He is a loon and a liver thief.
    He is going down with the Greens on my ticket.

  159. feelthebern

    What a time to be alive.
    We have a genuine oil shock brewing.
    The former heads of the CIA & FBI will likely be facing jail.
    Media companies are deplatforming people while dying old media companies cheer that on.

  160. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    we get a shitty 0.1Gbps max on NBN
    Verizon’s 5G speed peaks at 1.4Gbps

  161. calli

    Report from the blue end of Patterson.

    Got to the booth at 8:05 – line up out the door. Took HTVs from all there, as usual, giving them the courtesies of the day. They are volunteers and my neighbours.

    People looking very grim, but a bit of gallows humour about. My name was at the top of its page, as it should be. 🙂

    I took great pleasure in placing a 1 beside Riccardo’s name on the table runner.

    Guests due any time now, and I’ve warned The Beloved not to switch on the TV tonight. I have no idea about their political opinions even though we’ve been friends forever.

    Tomorrow morning will be soon enough. The sun will rise, the birds will sing and the colour of our world may have turned red in anticipation.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So why preference Hunch?
    He isn’t particularly pro-business … big or small.

    He’s one of those who wants to ban the live sheep trade, in the name of “justice for animals.”

  163. Leigh Lowe

    Above the line
    If you vote above the line, you need to number at least six boxes from 1 to 6.

    Below the line
    If you vote below the line, you need to number at least 12 boxes from 1 to 12.

    The trouble is, voting all minors in that fashion could exhaust your vote.
    If you are happy with that, fine, but I don’t want to do that.

  164. one old bruce

    ‘What could the Yanks actually try to indict Downer for?’

    Look how they got Conrad Black for what he supposedly did with ‘evidence’ in his Canada office or something.

  165. feelthebern

    He is a loon and a liver thief.

    Yep.
    Imagine if Tony Abbott was a donor recipient & then reportedly fell out of a Melbourne cab late at night because he was pissed.
    The good news is Hunch will probably blow through this liver & be brown bread.

  166. Twostix

    I was genuinely conflicted about who to put as 1 2 3 on the senate paper. What a range of choices. These parties must start working together!

  167. None

    I think they were saying corkscrew on twitter last night, Calli. And a corkscrew has a sharper end and would tear flesh. Fortunately he didn’t puncture the guy but the intent was certainly there.

  168. calli

    No sausage sizzle at the booth either.

    Another Aussie tradition is dead.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    He’s one of those who wants to ban the live sheep trade, in the name of “justice for animals.”

    Correct.
    And his initial anti peter-filia campaigns have simply morphed into anti-Catholic hysteria.

  170. What is it about Right wing Harpics* and serial on-line stalking?
    First Michael Smith and Gillard (which by now has cobwebs on it), then Catallaxy has been dogging Shorten for years (with about as much effect as Smith’s obsession) and now Downer.
    *Clean round the bend

  171. Entropy

    On whether or not to accept HTV cards, I used to be quite Bolshoi and tell them I don’t need them to tell me how to vote. I was quite rude to some back in the day, like SWP or greens. But I repeat myself.

    These days I realise they are volunteers spending their day doing what they believe in. I take all their cards. I still ignore the content, but I also want to recognise their commitment.

  172. feelthebern

    Look how they got Conrad Black for what he supposedly did with ‘evidence’ in his Canada office or something.

    The Conrad Black case was a joke.
    Essentially he was pursued because he was a prick.
    He is a prick, but being a prick isn’t reason to go to jail, let alone be interviewed by the plod.

  173. DrBeauGan

    Percy Popinjay
    #3015542, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:24 am
    7:20 in Perth and my AccuWeather app.tells me it’s 5°.

    Thank goodness for Gerbil Worming, eh, Beaugy?

    Sooner my travel agent gets me to the Dominican Republic or Cuba the better, Percy. Cigars will be cheaper, too.

  174. Leigh Lowe

    Hunch preferences the Greens above Libs and Labor.
    That tells you all you need to know.

  175. Entropy

    Bolshy. Bolshy. I don’t do ballet. That is for the miss entropys.

  176. None

    Last election we had a middle aged couple around the corner next to a wall selling snags out of a metal tin. no barbie in sight. The frigging red tape police has killed the democracy sausage. Either that or someone compained about bacon or cow. No car boot cake stalls at the other school either.

  177. Twostix

    Hahahaha witness the left find a Strange New Respect for Alexander Downer.

    An establishment always collapses under the weight of its hypocrisy numbers!

  178. one old bruce

    Hey Numbers, was Arthur Calwell ‘right wing’? Some of us ‘right wingers’ think he was ok. If only we’d listened to him.

  179. feelthebern

    I can’t wait for the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA all to be filleted.
    I expected 100’s of early retirements.

  180. Not Uh oh

    Just voted. The sole Liberal chap handing out the HTV’s had cunningly positioned himself at the exit gate and not surprisingly wasn’t doing much business. We gently escorted him up to the entrance gate where he’ll see people before they vote rather than after. He’ll do better there. Also had a run-in with some lady who wants to stop Adani. Playing bowls this afternoon. Last day of pennants and if we win and make the play-offs I won’t give a rats how the election goes.

  181. feelthebern

    Downer obsession?
    It’s only 3 years old.
    How long ago was Vietnam?

  182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What is it about Right wing Harpics* and serial on-line stalking?

    You don’t really see the irony, do you, Numbers?

  183. Leigh Lowe

    On whether or not to accept HTV cards, I used to be quite Bolshoi and tell them I don’t need them to tell me how to vote.

    That is my job.
    Our regular election day street theatre is Mrs L walks a pace behind me and takes all cards.
    When she reaches the Greens I turn and say “No! Give that back. What have I told you about them!”
    She meekly apologises and hands it back.

  184. calli

    There was Nothing To See ™ in all three cases.

    Which means the whole lot is true.

  185. feelthebern

    If you touch a HTV card, you are a moron.
    Plus unsanitary.

  186. calli

    I find Harpic very useful in dislodging great wodges of crud.

    A most useful invention.

  187. mh

    Numbers white knights Alexander Downer.

    Bob is a statist right down to his chilled feet.

  188. feelthebern

    Why would someone want a 3 year statute of limitations?
    Maybe the teaching record isn’t so clear after all…

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Hahahaha witness the left find a Strange New Respect for Alexander Downer.

    Mmmyes.

    Rustadon on Ho Chee Minge Commie goes in to bat for silver spoon Adelaide prahvate school prefect.

    Politics does indeed make for strange bedfellows.

  190. Percy Popinjay

    Ho Chee Minge

    Skan Kee Ho.

  191. feelthebern

    If the choice is a LNP win with Georgina Downer winning or an ALP-Green government, I will happily take the ALP-Green government.
    The Downers must be expunged from the political landscape.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    Why would someone want a 3 year statute of limitations?
    Maybe the teaching record isn’t so clear after all…

    Makes you wonder if some of the prettier window-lickers might have some supressed memories just waiting to be recovered.

  193. Nick

    Our regular election day street theatre

    I’m still thinking of what I’ll do.

  194. Rossini

    Oh come on
    #3015393, posted on May 18, 2019 at 4:47 am

    “We need to take our medicine.”
    What the heck……..a poison pill

  195. feelthebern

    Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.

  196. max

    Nelson Kidd-Players
    #3015347, posted on May 18, 2019 at 12:09 am
    Thoughts on voting for the Victorian senate.

    Thanks, very useful.

  197. Des Deskperson

    ‘I think they were saying corkscrew on twitter last night,’

    Who in this day and age carries around a corkscrew??

    I’m not doubting the story, I’m suggesting that the alleged assailant might be a bit odd.

  198. one old bruce

    Back in the 1960s when the Liberals were all trendy hipsters growing side levers and ‘muh British Commonwealth’ multiculturists, Arthur Calwell the leader of the ALP was saying things like:

    “Anybody who is not proud of his race is not a man at all. And any man who tries to stigmatize the Australian community as racist because they want to preserve this country for the white race is doing our nation great harm… I reject, in conscience, the idea that Australia should or ever can become a multi-racial society and survive.” Then Whitlam overthrew him – our own dapper Pierre Trudeau – the ladies’ favourite.

  199. feelthebern

    Australia is not about race.
    Australia is about waking up every morning & having a crack.
    Do good.
    Don’t be a dick.
    Our immigration policies should reflect that.

  200. Leigh Lowe

    Bob is a statist right down to his chilled feet.

    True dat.
    He claims to be against the projection of US power into local skirmishes and disputes around the world.
    But when faced with a choice between ..
    1. Hilary Clinton, who enthusistically injected US military and diplomatic power into any dispute in support of the biggest Clinton Foundation donors; or
    2. Donald Trump, a stated isolationist, who prefers to exercise his considerable negotiation skills rather than go to war.
    … which one does the Spud choose?

  201. DrBeauGan

    Can anyone give me a htv list for WA? I want Custard at #1, Fraser Anning’s mob next, then Pauline Hanson’s lot. I need 12 altogether. That’s the senate of course. My usual practice of writing “Sod the lot of you” for the reps will suffice. Ta, muchly.

  202. Entropy

    which one does the Spud choose?

    His side.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    Who in this day and age carries around a corkscrew??

    A door-to-door sommelier perhaps?

  204. feelthebern

    But Leigh, his response would be;
    1) Where is the proof that Clinton did anything illegal &
    2) Trump is bad because feelings & I’m on the plenary council don’t cha know.

  205. Entropy

    The corkscrew was probably one of the tools on his pocket knife.

  206. Twostix

    Australia is not about race.
    Australia is about waking up every morning & having a crack.
    Do good.
    Don’t be a dick.
    Our immigration policies should reflect that.

    Yeah no I’d prefer not to live in a third world shithole thanks.

  207. Hey Numbers, was Arthur Calwell ‘right wing’? Some of us ‘right wingers’ think he was ok. If only we’d listened to him.

    You’re not wrong.
    Here’s his speech in reply to Menzies’ committing troops to Vietnam (Hansard April 29, 1965).
    Some extracts –

    But this also I must say: Our present course is playing right into China’s hands, and our present policy will, if not changed, surely and inexorably lead to American humiliation in Asia.

    And

    Humiliation for America could come in one of two ways – either by outright defeat, which is unlikely, or by her becoming interminably bogged down in the awful morass of this war, as France was for ten years. That situation would in turn lead to one of two things – withdrawal through despair, or all out war, through despair. Both these would be equally disastrous

    And

    How long will it be before we are drawing upon our conscript youth to service these growing and endless requirements? Does the Government now say that conscripts will not be sent? If so, has it completely forgotten what it said about conscription last year? The basis of that decision was that the new conscripts would be completely integrated in the Regular Army.

    Everything old Arty said turned out to be true, and millions of Vietnamese, 57000 Americans, and 500 Australians paid the price of B A Santamaria’s obsessions.

    You’re right, we should have listened to him.

  208. Top Ender

    And it’s gonna be a tight race today folks:

    50% of Cat forecasters predict a Coalition victory; 50% a Labor victory

    Cat Election Predictor (Patent Pending)

    Coalition predicted to win/margin:
    JC / 18
    Top Ender / 10
    The Countess / 8
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare / 7
    Johno / 6
    Winston Smith /5
    Knuckle Dragger /5
    Exit Stage Right / 4
    Woolfe /3
    Caveman / 3
    Fleeced / 3
    None / 2
    EvilElvis /2
    Notafan / 2
    Rebel with cause / 2
    Indolent /2
    Areff / 2
    Harlequin Decline / 2
    Helen / 1
    Ƶĩppʯ / 1
    Goanna / 1

    Labor predicted to win/margin:

    incoherent rambler / 30
    Entropy / 15
    Bespoke / 11-14
    Des Deskperson / 10
    Pete M /10
    Percy Popinjay / 10
    Fisky / 9
    Frank Walker from National Tiles / 8
    thefrollickingmole/ 8
    Real Deal / 6–8
    Leigh Lowe 5/7
    Dr Faustus / 5
    Cassie of Sydney 4/6
    Tailgunner / 5
    Bear Necessities /4
    132andBush / 3-6
    Cactus / 4
    Eyrie / 4
    Bruce in WA / 3
    Old School Conservative / 2
    2dogs / 2

    Liberal total 21; Labor total 21 out of 42 voters

  209. feelthebern

    Arthur Calwell was more than 3 years ago so shut up.

  210. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    number’s granddaughter in action

  211. feelthebern

    Looks like the sportsbet twitter feed is going to be a hoot today.
    Thanks IT for putting me onto it.

    Also, has anyone seen the Vote 1 Dan Murphies signs about?

  212. Woolfe

    Beaugy,
    Just vote

    AusCon
    FR An Con
    one nation
    Lib Dem
    UAP
    Lib

    But below the line till you get to 12, Custard No1 then rest of Aus Cons, Anning mob etc etc

  213. Leigh Lowe

    1) Where is the proof that Clinton did anything illegal

    On her server.
    But seriously, Trump was going to start WW3 Armageddon Outtahere before Easter 2017.
    What is the reality?
    He did a bit of landscape gardening on a Syrian airfield and that is about it.

  214. feelthebern

    Fraser Anning is a fool.
    I expected more from the Cateratti.

  215. Des Deskperson

    ‘The corkscrew was probably one of the tools on his pocket knife.’

    That occurred to me, but it would have been a very small corkscrew. And it also raises the question of why he didn’t use the knife. A moderate, I guess.

  216. Twostix

    Bern you just espoused the absolute worst of 2005 era cuckservativism, shoosh.

  217. None

    On the video where Mr stabby was getting hysterical he claimed to be was 60 years old but the papers have him at 62 years. Probably from his details after his arrest. He even lied about his age. Stupid old git.

  218. None

    UAP? for goodness sakes people

  219. feelthebern

    Flash back.
    On election day 2010, it was the first time I heard Janet Albrechtsen speak.
    JA was on a sky news panel in the afternoon destroying all comers who were saying Tony was going to be blasted out of the Liberal party that night.
    I then went to John Alexander gig at the club in Ryde.
    It was more a good bye Maxine party.
    What a party that was!!

  220. feelthebern

    The Cat is a wide church Twos.

  221. Entropy

    Liberal total 21; Labor total 21 out of 42 voters

    For sure, but how about a weighting for credibility? I mean some of those outliers are just ridiculous. Look at JC’s estimate. He was having a lend.

    Des Deskperson
    #3015616, posted on May 18, 2019 at 10:08 am
    ‘The corkscrew was probably one of the tools on his pocket knife.’

    That occurred to me, but it would have been a very small corkscrew. And it also raises the question of why he didn’t use the knife. A moderate, I guess.

    The only question allowed in this context should be “What was the role of Tony Abbott in all of this?”

  222. mh

    Australia is about waking up every morning & having a crack crap.

    FIFY

  223. feelthebern

    NSW has mandatory sentencing for carrying concealed weapons.
    Including pocket knives.
    Unless this chap was a tradie on a call out (unlikely) he will have a criminal record.

  224. feelthebern

    That too mh.
    But unless you are having a red hot crack every day, you end up bitter like numbers.

  225. Arthur Calwell was more than 3 years ago so shut up.

    Better tell One Old Bruce.
    He introduced Calwell into the discussion, not me –

    one old bruce
    #3015578, posted on May 18, 2019 at 9:40 am
    Hey Numbers, was Arthur Calwell ‘right wing’? Some of us ‘right wingers’ think he was ok. If only we’d listened to him.

  226. feelthebern

    He will have a criminal record post going through the courts.

  227. Entropy

    Whre does the old git with the corkscrew actually live? I would not be surprised that could be an amusing stereotype.

  228. calli

    Australia is about waking up every morning & having a crack crap.

    Aaaaaand…here’s the perfect segue.

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