Open Forum: June 1, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Catholic turn to socialism is something to celebrate.

    My compliments, Stimpson, and thank you.

  2. Bruce in WA

    Feeling a bit down.

    Coroner’s report released today on the suicide of a young woman who worked for me.

    Beautiful, talented young kid, but obviously plagued with mental demons.

    Looking back now, I can see it all unfolding — and I was too thick to do anything about it then. To do the right thing. To help her.

    I’m sorry, love —— I should have helped. If only I’d known …

    It eats at me every now and then …

  3. Bruce in WA

    The really stupid thing is I’ve been there myself! I still have the scars — mental and physical — to show it.

    And I was still too stupid to see what was happening …

  4. Ellie

    Sorry, MV. My mood has gone splat.
    Enjoy your night.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mate, you can’t beat yourself up in hindsight – hindsight is a wonderful gift – it gives everyone 20/20 vision.

  6. memoryvault

    Goodnight Elle.
    Perhaps some other time.

  7. Ellie

    Bruce. We all have demons and scars.
    That is so sad.
    I reach out and give you a warm cyber hug.
    Bless. X

  8. memoryvault

    What Zulu said, Bruce.
    Commiserations, nonetheless.

  9. bespoke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3032206, posted on June 1, 2019 at 11:31 pm
    Mate, you can’t beat yourself up in hindsight – hindsight is a wonderful gift – it gives everyone 20/20 vision.

    👍

  10. Steve trickleruf people.

    This will stir up people. And people will object.



    Polly is HOT!

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Bruce, people have to choose to live for themselves, or others, or ideally both.
    You can’t force them to.
    Help someone else instead.
    There are others still here that need it more.

  12. Bruce in WA

    Thanks, folks. I wasn’t looking for sympathy — just had to get it off my chest.

    But, as usual, thanks to the wonderful Cat people.

  13. Bruce in WA

    Yes, Stimps, you are right. But, mate, I missed that big one! She even came into my office and talked to me about it and if I’d had half a brain I would have recognised what was happening.

    OK, enough. I’m taking a sleeping tablet and going to bed.

    Sleep tight, Mel.

  14. mh

    I wonder if Brisbane will see a repeat of last weekend with more policewomen getting choked.

    * Phrasing *

  15. Ellie

    Bruce, people have to choose to live for themselves, or others, or ideally both.
    You can’t force them to.
    Help someone else instead.
    There are others still here that need it more.

    Beautifully said, Stimpson.

    Makes me want to post a song that makes me cry.

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    OK, enough. I’m taking a sleeping tablet and going to bed.

    Best idea. Get help – you don’t have to bear it all on your own.

  17. Ellie

    The song is about demons

  18. memoryvault

    Bruce, in a strange sort of way we’re a family here.
    A family most of whom have never met each other, but a family all the same. Yes, we disagree and we argue and we fight, but when the chips are down most of us are there for each other. When Marilyn died I received a mountain of moral support here at the Cat. And I will always be grateful for it.

  19. Bruce in WA

    Makes me want to post a song that makes me cry.

    Go for it, Elle. I’m in the mood.

    She was such a pretty kid, who apparently mutilated her body with a pair of scissors before she died. Horrible.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What Memory Vault said. This is the Cat. No – one bleeds alone.

  21. Bruce in WA

    MV, thank you. I was so upset by your loss I couldn’t even comment. I admire your strength but fear your situation.

  22. Knuckle Dragger

    Bruce,

    The time-honoured practice of dealing with these things, ie drinking mountains of piss and overthinking everything is gratifying for a while but eventually counterproductive. Talking with a psychologist is very much now the accepted norm. It doesn’t mean you’re off your head – it’s about identifying tools and coping mechanisms.

    Not that money means much in the circumstances, but if the lass was a co-worker your boss or the company should be paying for it without a second thought.

    No-one’s ever going to tell you what to do or what not to. That said, I believe it’s a realistic option.

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    I’ve been down both paths, I forgot to add.

    I know which one I’d choose today.

  24. memoryvault

    but fear your situation.

    Thanks Bruce, but there’s nothing to fear about my situation. I’ve now got the biggest, boofiest, clumsiest cat I’ve ever encountered in my entire life, but he is good company and an entertaining companion.

    We’re doing alright. You look after yourself.

  25. Bruce in WA

    This is more my mood.

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    Only one, MV?

    I’m virulently anti-cat myself, but I’m genuinely sorry to hear that.

    The one you have sounds excellent though.

  27. dover_beach

    I’ve spent near 3 seconds of my life thinking about abortion.
    One thing I’ve noticed is the most opinionated about it are those who’re never likely to need one.
    The worldview from a 17yo female is very different to the view from a financially secure 55-yo male.
    Funny about that.

    If that comment reflects the thought of those 3 secs you are probably greatly exaggerating about duration.

  28. memoryvault

    Only one, MV?

    I adopted two, Knuckle Dragger. From a couple who were moving and couldn’t take them. One moved out on me at the first opportunity and now lives about a mile away. But the other is quite contented. He’s currently curled up asleep on the camp stretcher we’re sharing. It gets crowded.

    It’s been three months but I still haven’t quite managed to sleep in the marital bed.
    Maybe tomorrow.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    Good work, MV.

    Well, that cheating prick Warner hasn’t taken a catch yet, which I will interpret as having failed to take a catch, and as much as I’d like to stay up all night I’ve got to adjudicate in the great game again tomorrow, so zed time it is.

  30. memoryvault

    Goodnight Knuckle Dragger.

  31. Some History

    Peace and blessings to you, MV… and Bruce of WA… and all.

  32. areff

    The song is about demons

    A dirge after tonight’s dismal last-quarter performance against the crows.

  33. Zyconoclast

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump said on Friday that the United States would end its preferential trade treatment for India on June 5.

    Trump had announced his intention to remove India from the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) program in early March.

    “I have determined that India has not assured the United States that India will provide equitable and reasonable access to its markets,” Trump said in a statement on Friday.

    India is the biggest beneficiary of the GSP, which allows preferential duty-free imports of up to $5.6 billion from the South Asian nation.

    Indian officials have raised the prospect of higher import duties on more than 20 U.S. goods if Trump drops India from the program.

    Twenty-four members of the U.S. Congress sent the administration a letter on May 3 urging it not to terminate India’s access to the GSP.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-india-trade/trump-to-end-trade-privileges-for-india-on-june-5-idUSKCN1T22T3

  34. memoryvault

    Good evening History.
    Did I mention I’ve taken up smoking again?

  35. Some History

    Henry Winterman’s, if I recall?
    (:

  36. Rossini

    Good night MV
    Mark A not reading tonight!

  37. memoryvault

    Yes. But since then I was cleaning up and came across not one, but two, unopened packets of Champion Legendary Ruby (about as strong as rollie weed gets), so I’ve expanded my horizons.

  38. memoryvault

    Goodnight Rossini.

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    Have you all gone to bed?

  40. JC

    Yea, Sinc . They’re all tucking each other in.

  41. Citation Required

    In yet another sign that God hates me for my easy, lazy, non-involved life, I am today back from the UK visiting the most outgoing, sporting, fun loving, risk taking daughter who has turned into a resentful recluse post giving birth.
    It was far too unpleasant and futile to go into details but it was a horrible three weeks in which I believe I succeeded in disappointing both family and inlaws.
    As someone who has sneered at counselling all my life it was probably appropriate that my attempts to convince my ‘best mate’ daughter to seek help were rejected in a manner that can only be described as viscious.
    Her wonderful husband was too hurt and fearful to adopt a direct approach leading to intervention.
    Blurry-ell. This stuff happens to other people (weak people), not me and mine.
    The realisation that PND is real in the grown-up world, and that my usual offhand approach was not going going to cut it this time made the always awful Heathrow/endless flight home ritual seem like a shrug and walk-away.
    Shit.
    Apparently it resolves itself. Time would want to be a bloody good healer if this awful situation us going to magically go away.
    Last week my B-in-L lost a hand on the farm. This week I may have lost a mate/daughter.
    I have woken-up in a B grade soapy, and I have worse than usual jetlag.
    Otherwise; all good.

  42. Peter Castieau

    Thanks Tom

    Great pictures as always.

  43. lotocoti

    Saturday 0630 – 1.4C.
    Sunday 0630 – 14C. And thunderstorm.
    Good job Global Warming. Good job.

  44. No cop car has “to protect and serve” in Australia unlike the States.

    Are you sure the USA cop cars don’t have “to shoot Australians” embossed?

  45. calli

    A good crop, Tom. Love the Mueller ones.

    For DrBeau

    Chuckle. Eleventh Dan trolling (that’s a little joke for scholars).

  46. calli

    Many…many Flanneries falling. I will have to drain off the pool.

    Anyone got a spare dam I can drain it to?

  47. rickw

    Yea, Sinc . They’re all tucking each other in.

    It sounded like The Walton’s for a minute.

  48. bespoke

    *Johno offered actual first hand experiences of opting out from his fellow Diggers and 1735099 turned him down.

    *Numbers Bob had a perfectly legal alternative to being conscripted. He chose not to exercise that option H/T Zulu .

    * 1735099 tried to game the system and lost H/T KD.

    1735099
    #3032257, posted on June 2, 2019 at 6:50 am
    No cop car has “to protect and serve” in Australia unlike the States.

    Are you sure the USA cop cars don’t have “to shoot Australians” embossed?

    —-

    On July 15, 2017, Justine Ruszczyk, also known as Justine Damond,[2][3] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was shot and killed by Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer,

    In two years as a police officer, Noor had three formal complaints against him, two of which, as of September 2017, are pending resolution. In a separate case from May 2017, he is being sued for allegedly assaulting a woman while on duty.[17]

    1735099‘s is Trump’s useful idiot.

  49. bespoke

    The only family I have is the one made by marriage or blood, not interested in some creepy cult.

  50. duncanm

    Citation — sorry to hear.

    Keep in regular contact with the SIL if the daughter wants nothing to do with you – sounds like he’s a good man.

    Stick with it and make sure you leave that door open. She’ll come around.

  51. calli

    More coodda, woodda, shoodda from the ABC.

    How about this for a reason – rubbish policies that worried people? And a leader with a team behind him who were unable or unwilling to explain these policies in a way that would nip that worry in the bud.

    But do continue to make silly excuses. It will ensure a spot in the wilderness for the next couple of cycles.

  52. stackja

    ABC staff undergoing ‘gender transition’ to be given paid leave

    National broadcaster the ABC is considering offering employees undergoing “gender reassignment” paid leave. If approved, it would be a landmark move for a taxpayer-funded organisation.
    Amy Harris, The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    June 2, 2019 12:00am

    Employees at the ABC may soon be offered time off for “gender transition” under a proposed new enterprise bargaining agreement.

    In what would be a landmark move for a taxpayer-funded organisation, the national broadcaster is considering offering an unspecified amount of paid leave for any employee undergoing gender reassignment.

    It is understood an extended amount of unpaid leave will also be offered.

    In a memo circulated to ABC staff on Tuesday last week, a number of new amendments were listed as part of the broadcaster’s negotiations with the Community and Public Sector Union (CPSU) and the Media and Arts Alliance (MEAA) in relation to a proposed new enterprise agreement.

    Among them was a proposal listed under “enhanced entitlements: which includes a casual conversion clause and “gender transition leave”.

    Also proposed; a pay rise of 1.5 per cent.

    If approved it could make the ABC one the first government-funded organisations in Australia to offer time off for gender transitioning.

    Already a number of private companies offer time off for transitioning procedures including both Monash and Deakin University and Westpac bank, which announced it would offer four-weeks paid leave for anyone undergoing gender reassignment last November.

    Westpac also offers one year unpaid leave while an employee is transitioning.

    An ABC spokesperson said the policy was not unique.

    “The ABC is proud to support diversity and inclusion in our workforce, including supporting the LGBTIQ community, and we would be pleased to have this in our EA,” they said.

    “This type of initiative is by no means unique — companies that have transition policies in place include IBM, Accenture, ANZ, Westpac and Deakin University.”

  53. Notafan

    Explaining, costing the policies would have revealed the true horror.

    It is however entertaining watching the exquisite suffering and pit of despairing that prompts all this if onlying.

    Oh and.

    The Cat had Noor pinged as a totally inappropriate diversity hire who killed Justine because he was a poor impulse control is lamic inbreed, from the get go.

    If the seagull have been here at the time he would have been castigating us for our racist fascist hatey blah blah blah ing

  54. Leigh Lowe

    ABC staff undergoing ‘gender transition’ to be given paid leave

    National broadcaster the ABC is considering offering employees undergoing “gender reassignment” paid leave. If approved, it would be a landmark move for a taxpayer-funded organisation.
    Amy Harris, The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    There is (ahem) “no more fat to cut” apparently.

  55. stackja

    Kingaroy crash: Child Safety had investigated family, mother wrote

    A second agency will investigate the suspected murder-suicide of a woman and her four children in a horror road smash, after new revelations involving the Child Safety Department.
    Kate Kyriacou & Domanii Cameron, The Sunday Mail (Qld)
    Subscriber only
    |
    June 2, 2019 12:00am

    THE Department of Child Safety had been investigating the welfare of the McLeod children since at least December, according to a post written by their mother, who is now suspected of killing them.

    The deaths of Charmaine Harris McLeod and her children – Aaleyn, 6, Matilda, 5, Wyatt, 4, and Zaidok, 2 – are being investigated as a possible murder-suicide after their car crashed head-on with a truck near Kingaroy on Monday.

    The Sunday Mail can reveal the children’s deaths will also be examined by the independent Child Death Case Review Panel – part of a “two-tiered” review process instigated when a child who is known to the department within the past 12 months is seriously injured or dies.

    Investigators combing the scene found Ms Harris McLeod’s handbag about 200m away – believed to have been thrown from the car. Inside was a note police believe was penned by the mother.

    The note, as well as an absence of skid marks and no attempt to swerve from the truck, resulted in homicide detectives joining crash investigators in examining the deaths.

    Asked last week whether the children’s deaths were being investigated as a homicide, Police Commissioner Ian Stewart said: “Absolutely.”

    The five deaths have not been added to the road toll.

    “This will take some time, and obviously the coroner has a very great interest in the outcome of that investigation,” he said.

    “But no matter what happened, no matter why it happened, it’s a tragedy for all of those involved and the Queensland community.”

  56. stackja

    Break-ins reach five-year high throughout the NT

    More than 2000 additional break-ins were recorded across the NT in the year to March than the same period in 2014.
    JASON WALLS, NT News
    Subscriber only

    June 1, 2019 11:18pm

    THE number of burglaries being committed in the NT has reached a five-year high, with more than 2000 more break-ins recorded in the year to March than the same period in 2014. An NT News analysis of the latest police crime statistics shows there were 2456 houses burgled and 2648 businesses broken into during the past 12 months — or about seven of each per day.

    This represents 2054 additional burglaries compared with the same period five years ago. In Darwin, the same figure rose from 463 to 680 in the case of house break-ins and from 452 to 554 for businesses over five years.

    But the latest figures were also substantially down from a spike in 2017 when there were 829 house break-ins and 786 commercial break-ins in Darwin. The five-year trend was bleakest in Palmerston where house break-ins more than doubled from 173 to 384 and business break-ins almost tripled from 84 to 228.

    However longer term figures dating back to 2001 show a sharp decrease in property crime between then and 2004 was followed by a steady decline to a current 18-year low in Darwin.

    That trend was similar across the Territory where a five-year high of 22,095 property offences was still close to the 10-year average.

    Police Minister Nicole Manison said there was no evidence the NT Government’s alcohol policies were responsible for the recent rise in property crime.

    Instead, Ms Manison said the statistics showed the reforms were working to drive down alcohol fuelled violence, with remote areas recording their lowest rates of assaults and domestic violence in more than five years.

    She said alcohol related assaults and hospital admissions had roughly halved in Alice Springs and Tennant Creek.

  57. bespoke

    That’s the Republican chick I was thinking of.

  58. calli

    God doesn’t hate you, Citation. Life is tough, and some of the exams are doozies.

    PND is horrible and robs everyone of the joy of having a new baby. It does not last. Regardless of the response, your comments have planted a seed – that will grow into a conviction that she needs help. The fact that she’s a strong, independent person normally has worked against this – the moment the penny drops she’ll go for it. It might take a crisis to get there.

    Hang in there. And keep in touch with them.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    Are you sure the USA cop cars don’t have “to shoot Australians” embossed?

    On the boot : “Caution – Short-fuse Diversity Hire on Board.”
    .
    On the passenger door : “Warning : trigger-happy n****r. Open other side”
    .
    On the uniform : “Tree-free for five generations.”

  60. Black Ball

    If only we had Skippy bounding the halls of power. Australian would be a much better place. Although the kid needs a size 10 up the Khyber Pass.

  61. *Johno offered actual first hand experiences of opting out from his fellow Diggers and 1735099 turned him down.

    My offer stands.
    (#3003080, posted on May 3, 2019 at 10:20 am)
    Johno is running out of time to respond.

    *Numbers Bob had a perfectly legal alternative to being conscripted. He chose not to exercise that option H/T Zulu

    Zulu’s famous clairvoyant option. He gives readings, you know.

    On July 15, 2017, Justine Ruszczyk, also known as Justine Damond,[2][3] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was shot and killed by Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer,

    I searched everywhere for Trump’s executive order banning Somalis from being recruited as police.
    I couldn’t find it anywhere.

  62. calli

    I thought you meant this one, bespoke.

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Investigators combing the scene found Ms Harris McLeod’s handbag about 200m away – believed to have been thrown from the car. Inside was a note police believe was penned by the mother.

    The question is answered as to why the note didn’t blow away … which some moron here seized upon yesterday as evidence of mysogineeee.

  64. bespoke

    Nope I read a story about the other one some time ago but can’t remember her name. Your’s would be hoot though. 🤣

  65. Notafan

    Those carefully considered posts make less and less sense.

  66. Boambee John

    So early, and already seagull droppings everywhere!

  67. bespoke

    *Johno offered actual first hand experiences of opting out from his fellow Diggers and 1735099 turned him down.

    *Numbers Bob had a perfectly legal alternative to being conscripted. He chose not to exercise that option H/T Zulu .

    * 1735099 tried to game the system and lost H/T KD.

    1735099
    #3032281, posted on June 2, 2019 at 8:16 am

    I searched everywhere for Trump’s executive order banning Somalis from being recruited as police.
    I couldn’t find it anywhere.

    He hasn’t the power to do that. Early start on the rakes, Sad.

  68. Notafan

    There wasn’t even a note, even though police said there was.

    Candybrain and seagull had it all figured out.

  69. Notafan

    Every morning we can see where the seagull has landed.

  70. calli

    The question is answered as to why the note didn’t blow away … which some moron here seized upon yesterday as evidence of mysogineeee.

    Yes, LL. It was pretty obvious that the whole story had not been reported. A note “tossed out the window”, was nonsense.

  71. 1735099

    Bespoke – you’re repeating yourself. Alzheimer’s?

  72. Shy Ted

    SBS news – the big match will be kicking off in under 2 hours. The internet – game over, Liverpool won 2-0.

  73. stackja

    Chinese tourists put St Vincent’s Hospital on holiday destination list

    Chinese tourists are descending on Melbourne in droves, but it’s no longer to visit the state’s famous landmarks and cafes. Here’s why one of the city’s biggest hospitals is fast becoming a major drawcard.
    Catherine Lambert, Sunday Herald Sun
    Subscriber only
    |
    June 1, 2019 6:42pm

    The Twelve Apostles and penguins have been cast aside by Chinese tourists who are more keen to visit St Vincent’s Hospital on their dream Australian vacation.

    Poor access to health care in China where patients can wait up to 24 hours for a consultation in a public hospital or pay exorbitant fees in a private clinic, is driving the trend for them to visit Australia for their health care needs.

    Wellness travel organiser Garry Burns said middle class Chinese tourists typically go to Japan, the US or even Thailand for medical checks combined with a vacation but have begun to set their sights on Australia.

    “It’s a new sector for Australia but there is high demand with 100 million Chinese people seeking medical tourism,” Mr Burns said.

    “It is such an intense lifestyle in China where they are plugged in 24/7, competitive, have long commutes to work and then long hours at work. They are seeking a healthier lifestyle and that’s translating into their travel habits.”

    Their wellness holiday starts with an appointment at the Executive Health Solutions clinic at St Vincent’s in Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane where they undergo a range of tests including blood pressure, chest X-rays, abdominal ultrasounds, bowel cancer tests and blood tests. Men can receive prostate cancer tests and women have mammograms.

    The results are ready within 24 hours.

    “One of the key selling points is that, in China, they wait so long to see a doctor and then the consultation lasts less than 10 minutes but in Australia they have at least an hour long consultation with the doctor,” he said.

    “They have a Chinese translator and it’s a comprehensive consultation.”

    Mr Burns, who runs the Gaibo Agency, said wellness travel is the fastest growing sector in China, growing 33 per cent in the past two years. There are 10 million yoga practitioners in China but Mr Burns said yoga is one of their favourite activities on a wellness trip to Australia where the packages start at $3000 for a week.

    “They want to experience another culture as well and love the fresh air here,” he said.

    “They go to Peninsula Hot Springs or Hepburn Springs for the spa experience and we design packages for them to include lifestyle coaching, meditation, spa treatments and they particularly like healthy food options because they value the high quality of food and wine here.”

  74. rickw

    A more plausible explanation for US school shootings than hundreds of years of firearms being readily available:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=By6r4GBDUHo

  75. calli

    For Percy. Paint the town red.

  76. dover_beach

    Calli, your discussion yesterday about abstraction is interesting because it shows that thought cannot be a material process.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Those carefully considered posts make less and less sense.

    Do you have to be a clairvoyant to realize that?

  78. memoryvault

    The question is answered as to why the note didn’t blow away … which some moron here seized upon yesterday as evidence of mysogineeee.

    This is the sort of comment that kills off any really meaningful discussion on just about anything of note, here on the Cat. Candy simply pointed out that, based on the information available at the time of her comment, there were other explanations for the note.

    As is unfortunately becoming more and more prevalent here at the Cat, the inevitable pile-on ensued, and now looks like continuing ad infinitum. It is doubtful there will be any further meaningful comment on this subject on this blog. People will have already jumped on the bandwagon of derision, or be too afraid to offer anything contrarian, for fear of being mobbed.

    Leigh I’m surprised and disappointed in you.

  79. Boambee John

    Bespoke – you’re repeating yourself. Alzheimer’s?

    Is perseveration worse?

  80. Shy Ted

    ABC staff undergoing ‘gender transition’ to be given paid leave. National broadcaster the ABC is considering offering employees undergoing “gender reassignment” paid leave. If approved, it would be a landmark move for a taxpayer-funded organisation.
    Yeah, but which way will Frank Elly go? M-F or F-M?

  81. Leigh Lowe

    From the Farage link.
    Labour Party pleads in vain for help

    We need to campaign in Peterborough. By train, by car, by hook or by crook, your help is needed. 

    Quite so.
    And trains and cars?
    How very fossil fool of youse.
    By “bicycle and foot” I would hope.

  82. 2dogs

    by crook

    Given the seat is vacant because the former Labour member committed a crime, that’s a bit of a slip up.

  83. Ellie

    Bruce in WA, hope you are ok.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    It is doubtful there will be any further meaningful comment on this subject on this blog. 

    As distinct from turning it into a pensioners dating site?
    It was a little more than simply a lack of information.
    Fact : Plod made a clear statement that they found a note near the crash site in the murderess’ handwriting.
    Speculation : “Ooooh. Note is paper. Paper very light. Paper blows in wind. Probably Plod mistaken”. Upon which, Spudnik launches in with a defence of the murderess “it doesn’t fit the narrative” .
    .
    There will be plenty of meaningful discussion on that subject which you are free to engage in or ignore.

  85. John64

    Mincing Marr set to sit on the Insiders couch this morning. During his last appearance, not only did he predict a thumping Liars majority; he stated that many Liberals were actually welcoming the looming electoral Armageddon as it would rid the party of many of the hard right conservatives that everyone loathes.

    Don’t expect a mia cupla from this elder statesman of wrongology who no doubt gets his “intel” on the Liberal Party from Trent Zimmerman at the local Turkish bathhouse.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    Candy simply pointed out that, based on the information available at the time of her comment, there were other explanations for the note.

    Other explanations for a suicide-murder note in the handwriting of the murderer near the scene of the murders?
    Do tell.
    I am keen to hear this one.

  87. bespoke

    You and numbers have so much in common Peter, Why don’t you both start a group ‘The society for the needy self absorb connotative dishonest”

  88. calli

    Rickw, watched all of that. I think he’s concentrating on one aspect at the expense of others. There’s a suite of reasons for those graphs. Bible/prayer might be one of them. Others could include drugs, family breakdown, promiscuity.

    Of most interest to me was the Church’s reaction to the court case. Not a peep. Laodocea comes to mind – and the threat. Looks like God made good his promise.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    “It is such an intense lifestyle in China

    Their wellness holiday starts with an appointment at the Executive Health Solutions clinic at St Vincent’s in Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane where they undergo a range of tests including blood pressure, chest X-rays, abdominal ultrasounds …

    Radiologist : They all look same on the inside, too.

  90. Leigh Lowe

    there were other explanations for the note.

    Note:
    2 litres milk
    Sliced bread
    Cornflakes
    Jatz crackers
    Pick up dry-cleaning.
    Plough kids into truck.

  91. calli

    This is the sort of comment that kills off any really meaningful discussion on just about anything of note, here on the Cat.

    Only if you let it, Peter.

    The speculation was based on incomplete information. Obviously incomplete. And that happens here all the time.

    In my imagination, I picture us all in the front bar, drinks in hand, chewing the fat. Some of us say outrageous things, funny things, serious things, cranky things. But the conversation evolves or degenerates depending on consumption. And, usually, it’s a really interesting, meaty conversation.

  92. Farmer Gez

    Insiders.
    Van Wrongselen
    Maher
    Karvelis
    Ita has a little bit of work to do with unconscious bias.

  93. bespoke

    It also includes narcissists, passive aggressive’s, victim spongers and those that use creepy 70’s porn lines to pick up women.

  94. custard

    The comments and observations from the couch are some of the most juvenile and completely wrong utterings you will hear anywhere.

    Your taxpayers dollars at work.

  95. Nick

    they particularly like healthy food options because they value the high quality of food and wine here.”

    Heh.

  96. dover_beach

    Other explanations for a suicide-murder note in the handwriting of the murderer near the scene of the murders?
    Do tell.
    I am keen to hear this one

    She was writing the great Australian novel?

  97. calli

    Why is Spike Lee indulging in TrumpetyTrumpTrump here?

    Does he think we vote in the US elections?

  98. min

    Marr on Insiders explaining why we do not need nuclear power , because we have enough sun and wind. I wonder where he lives and whether he has solar panels as I do.
    I have had solar for 10 years , replaced last year and guess what energy prices have gone up every year.

  99. Nick

    Mincing Marr set to sit on the Insiders couch this morning.

    Not until they’ve turned it upside down first

  100. dover_beach

    I shouldn’t make light of this situation, it really is terrible.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    It also includes narcissists, passive aggressive’s, victim spongers and those that use creepy 70’s porn lines to pick up women.

    Insiders?
    No-one on there wants to pick up women.
    Except most of the women of course.

  102. Roger

    Strange times:

    One day after AG & dim bulb Christian Porter poured cold water on the prospect of an “Israel’s law” the CFMMEU has come out in support of Folau and the religious freedom of employees.

    Morrison had better pull Porter into line and get on with it or the Liberals are going to lose voters’ trust bigly on this issue.

  103. calli

    I’ve been thinking about perfectly straight lines and atoms.

    If you had a source point and a destination point and were able to throw a beam of light one atom wide, would the beam be perfectly straight (ie. no bumps)?

  104. Nick

    The comments and observations from the couch are some of the most juvenile and completely wrong utterings you will hear anywhere.

    Custard, while it’s true, the fact that they really have no idea why the average voter votes the way they do, will make them increasingly irrelevant. I love the fact that the Left wing Sao Circle have no influence.

  105. memoryvault

    Other explanations for a suicide-murder note in the handwriting of the murderer near the scene of the murders?

    I will only repeat what I said before, Leigh.
    Candy simply pointed out that, based on the information available at the time of her comment, there were other explanations for the note.

    Further details of the note didn’t emerge until the following day, and the fact that it was in an envelope (thereby negating the “blown away” comment) emerged even later still.

    But all in all, I think it’s time for me to take another sabbatical from here for a few days. Once again a contrarian view is immediately developing into a full-blown pile-on.

    .
    Bespoke, why don’t go and find somebody else with an “allegedly dying wife” you can ridicule?
    My “allegedly dying wife” is “allegedly dead” now. Take you sick mates Armadillo and Herr Doctor Mengel with you.

  106. bespoke

    I remember prayer at school but these at different times and I would not trust the government to teach my kids religion. The curriculum is full as it is.

  107. Stimpson J. Cat

    I wish my Male Pattern Baldness was alleged.

  108. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #3032330, posted on June 2, 2019 at 9:17 am

    I shouldn’t make light of this situation, it really is terrible.

    That is not making light of it.
    It is exposing the deflectors and apologists who, when told a note had been found at the scene in the handwriting of the mass-murderer, suddenly start inventing parallel universe mitigating and excusing explanations.
    So, yes, when Plod said they had found a note, it was unlikely they were referring to a shopping list, the first paragraph of her next novel, or even musings on the nature of straight lines and perfect circles.

  109. calli

    If you think I’m “piling on”, you are wrong.

  110. cohenite

    California jury hits Bayer with $2 billion award in Roundup cancer trial

    This after the last California dreaming award was overturned.

    Australian lawyers tooling up.

  111. Eyrie

    MV, so the second cat is no longer MIA but living a mile away?

  112. bespoke

    But all in all, I think it’s time for me to take another sabbatical from here

    Best idea you’v had in a long time Peter.

    Bespoke, why don’t go and find somebody else with an “allegedly dying wife” you can ridicule?

    I ridicule you about your “allegedly dying wife” Stop climbing on her grave to be a victim.

  113. cohenite

    Marr on Insiders explaining why we do not need nuclear power , because we have enough sun and wind.

    What an arsehole. Arrogance and stupidity this culpable should be criminalised.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Candy simply pointed out that, based on the information available at the time of her comment, there were other explanations for the note.

    Yeah, nah.
    Plod stated unequivocally that they found a note in her handwriting.
    Not something they would do lightly.
    And the apologist speculation starts … “wouldn’t a paper note blow away?”
    That is pure dog-whistle … “Someone planted it. She is being framed! Mothers don’t do this sort of thing.”
    Utter bullshit.
    They do.
    She did.
    The very worst thing about this rationalising of her murderous behaviour is that it will now turn on the ex-husvand and her church.
    “What did he/they do which pushed her over the edge?”

  115. bespoke

    I didn’t ridicule you about your “allegedly dying wife” Stop climbing on her grave to be a victim.

  116. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’ve been thinking about perfectly straight lines and atoms.
    If you had a source point and a destination point and were able to throw a beam of light one atom wide, would the beam be perfectly straight (ie. no bumps)?

    Back to the drawing board Calli. Photons have no mass.

  117. calli

    Lol, Mayfly.

    I’m channelling the little boy who watched the kettle boil. 😀

  118. calli

    Anyway, a beam of light is still part of the physical world.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3032339, posted on June 2, 2019 at 9:24 am

    If you think I’m “piling on”, you are wrong.

    Oh, I am.
    Because the denial about the murder-suicide note plays directly into phase 2, which is:-
    – Attacking the grieving father for driving her to the brink.
    – Attacking the Christian church she was a member of for casting out single mothers (they didn’t)
    – Defending Qld Social Services who had been alerted about her for six months, but “children better with mother.” Always. Right up until they hit the bull-bar.

  120. RobK

    Photons have no mass.
    Light is affected by gravity.

  121. Leigh Lowe

    But all in all, I think it’s time for me to take another sabbatical from here for a few days.

    See you this afternoon.

  122. Nick

    But all in all, I think it’s time for me to take another sabbatical from here for a few days.

    Why do I get the feeling that we are being punished lol

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Take you sick mates Armadillo and Herr Doctor Mengel with you.

    Doctor Mengel posts here?
    Wow!
    I am going to try to guess who it is and unmask him.

  124. Leigh Lowe

    Is it the one called Sinclair?

  125. Crossie

    Quentin Dempster on Outsiders defending the ABC, naturally, and insists merging SBS and ABC would result in the disappearance of SBS. Then I would give them the option to decide would they rather the ABC disappeared. Will we ever see a government that will order the ABC and SBS staff and management to make that Sophie’s Choice?

    On the other hand, who are they to decide? The taxpayers should be given a choice via a plebiscite or a referendum.

  126. bespoke

    I am going to try to guess who it is and unmask him.

    No need Peter has been tying to Dox him for months.

  127. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    John Lundstrom’s book “Black Shoe Carrier Admiral” makes interesting reading.

    In April, 1942, after two months intensive operations, United States Navy Task Force 17 allowed their sailors shore leave in Tonga. They found picturesque sights, and fresh fruit in plenty, but the Queen of Tonga, Queen Salote, had ordered all young women into the hills, to hide until after the Americans had left…

  128. Old School Conservative

    The taxpayers should be given a choice via a plebiscite or a referendum.

    Or, perish the thought, via the market.

  129. mh

    I wonder why so many women are killing their children though.

    Maybe it’s an extension of the abortion message that women are bombarded with from the MSM, Hollywood, Netflix and other assorted globalist-owned miscreants. Michelle Wolf on Netflix does comedy skits celebrating abortion.

  130. Crossie

    School Conservative
    #3032361, posted on June 2, 2019 at 9:58 am
    The taxpayers should be given a choice via a plebiscite or a referendum.

    Or, perish the thought, via the market.

    The market has spoken, their ratings are dismal but it seems not to matter.

  131. Roger

    Quentin Dempster on Outsiders defending the ABC, naturally, and insists merging SBS and ABC would result in the disappearance of SBS.

    When migrants can get TV from their country of origin via a dish or the internet the raison d’ être for SBS has long since passed into redundancy.

    And what exactly is the contemporary case for a publicly funded national broadcaster? (Other than providing a comfortable living for Leftist journalists.)

  132. RobK

    I wonder why so many women are killing their children though.
    There are not many doing it.

  133. Stimpson J. Cat

    I wonder why so many women are killing their children though.

    I don’t.
    And in Pride Month,
    we have an obligation to face hard truths.
    Every child killed by a Woman is a child that can’t be adopted by Gay or Lesbian parents.

    It’s Homophobia, pure and simple.

    Outrageous.

  134. bespoke

    I think people would vote in favor of keeping the ABC because they watched something they liked a decade ago.

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    I think people would vote in favor of keeping the ABC because they watched something they liked a decade ago.

    I’m sorry, but Monkey Magic is not enough.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    mh,

    Women kill their children for two basic reasons.

    One, they become delusional (with mental health issues or otherwise) and arrive at the belief that they are sufficiently awesome that with them gone, the kiddies wouldn’t be able to survive.

    Two, and the more rage-inducing option, is when they do it to get back at ex-hubby/her mother/her church/the sewing circle.

    I can think of only one incident in recent history where a bloke has done this – in Qld a couple of years back, a man carbon monoxided himself and his toddler son. The Victorian one where the bloke drove his three kids into a dam and left them to drown while he walked to the nearest house to ask for smokes doesn’t fall into that category. That was just murder.

  137. John Constantine

    Was friendly for a while with a chick that qualified with a State authority to provide counselling services to those caught up in scarifying road trauma.

    She never went on about specific cases, but it was a revelation to hear how many people are driving around with phantasies of lining up a heavy vehicle in their sights and doing suicide by truckie.

    None of them having any perception of the driver as a human being.

    Apparently talking about it in the public media magnetises that style of mentality in the vulnerable and manufactures copycats.

    Brake without swerving I can do for a cow, but I don’t know what I would do if lined up by suicidal suburu.

  138. BrettW

    Liverpool won 2-0 but the person of the match was definitely the pitch invader. Best free advertising stunt ever. Daily Mail kindly mentioning the name of the business being promoted.

  139. rickw

    Rickw, watched all of that. I think he’s concentrating on one aspect at the expense of others. There’s a suite of reasons for those graphs. Bible/prayer might be one of them. Others could include drugs, family breakdown, promiscuity.

    Cali, would agree, it’s just one part of a malaise mix. Generally The Left attacking any useful institution they can sink their teeth into.

  140. Knuckle Dragger

    LL has it right, btw.

    The dead skank’s ex-hubby, who could be an amalgam of Mahatma Gandhi, John the Baptist and Martin Luther King will now inevitably be portrayed as some sort of misogynistic, wife-beating drink and drug-fucked lunatic who drove her to leave him.

    And then, as naturally as night follows day, to kill her four kids.

    Bastard. Probably mansplained something once, too.

  141. Old School Conservative

    Mark Steyn has a piece about an Australian with a family connection to the Battle of Kirbekan on February 10th 1885.

    The Australian guy is pictured with a captured Mahdist’s rifle.
    The picture is a gentle parody. Rifle in hand, wearing lumberjack top and shorts .
    And Ugg boots.

  142. rickw

    I’m sorry, but Monkey Magic is not enough.

    Would tossing in The Goodies, Dr Who and Star Blazers be enough?!

  143. Leigh Lowe

    bespoke

    #3032359, posted on June 2, 2019 at 9:53 am

    I am going to try to guess who it is and unmask him.

    No need Peter has been tying to Dox him for months.

    I’m now befuddled.
    Who the fuck is Peter?

  144. rickw

    None of them having any perception of the driver as a human being.

    Same for suburban train drivers.

  145. Nick

    The dead skank’s ex-hubby, who could be an amalgam of Mahatma Gandhi, John the Baptist and Martin Luther King will now inevitably be portrayed as some sort of misogynistic, wife-beating drink and drug-fucked lunatic who drove her to leave him.

    A female sibling will create either a Foundation in her name, traveling along the public speaking circuit, outlining why the man in her life was to blame, or, demand that “X’s” law be set up in her name, again, to stop men from doing ‘something’.

  146. Tom

    Maybe it’s an extension of the abortion message that women are bombarded with from the MSM

    No, mh, it’s the “all women are victims” gibberish that 90% of the media suggests subconsciously day in, day out, via the leftist/feminist word salad that passes for discussion of social issues — which allows the weaklings among the fairer sex to feel good about avoiding responsibility for their own lives. Giving in to feelings trumps everything.

    And, with the judiciary on board, women can get away with murder.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    John C,

    Your lady friend’s summation is accurate.

    If people knew just how many people suicide by train (suburban rail lines, not so much The Ghan) there’d be riots in the streets.

    The punter doesn’t see the train as something driven by a driver, and full of other people, they see it as a big metal unstoppable thing that will give them a quick death.

    Everyday suburban train riders will be familiar with the phenomenon of an on time train slowing, then stopping between stations for anything between 30 minutes and an hour and a half. The PA explanation invariably offered by the driver is ‘unforeseen maintenance/mechanical issues further down this line’.

    No it isn’t.

  148. BrettW

    KD not sure if you have read the recent disclosures about Martin Luther King and his 40 odd affairs and watching one of his pastor mates rape a parishioner whilst FBI in the next room.

  149. Rossini

    Citation Required
    #3032250, posted on June 2, 2019 at 2:18 am
    commiserations

  150. bespoke

    The new Monkey Magic is hoot, Kiwi’s culturally appropriating orientates. Arky has a lead roll.

  151. Stimpson J. Cat

    Would tossing in The Goodies, Dr Who and Star Blazers be enough?!

    Not even Secret Valley.

  152. Leigh Lowe

    The Victorian one where the bloke drove his three kids into a dam and left them to drown while he walked to the nearest house to ask for smokes doesn’t fall into that category. That was just murder.

    Same, same for woman who drove the 4WD into the pond in the western suburbs a few years ago (after doing 10 laps of the lake for no particular reason).
    And didn’t VikPol tie themselves in knots trying not to charge her.

  153. calli

    how many people are driving around with phantasies of lining up a heavy vehicle in their sights and doing suicide by truckie.

    Not to mention trains. There was one at Pennant Hills a couple of days ago. Poor driver.

  154. Roger

    …not sure if you have read the recent disclosures about Martin Luther King and his 40 odd affairs and watching one of his pastor mates rape a parishioner whilst FBI in the next room.

    Which the FBI taped. King’s legacy is not going to survive the release of those files.

  155. bespoke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3032379, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:21 am

    Who the fuck is Peter?

    memoryvault

  156. Crossie

    spoke
    #3032368, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:11 am
    I think people would vote in favor of keeping the ABC because they watched something they liked a decade ago.

    The Big Gig in 1989? Even that was tainted by Wendy Harmer’s cruelties to the audience at the end of the program.

  157. calli

    How about Estaban and the Cities of Gold?

  158. Leigh Lowe

    A female sibling will create either a Foundation in her name, traveling along the public speaking circuit

    And that is why the act needs to be openly attacked for what it is.
    A self-centred act of mass murder.
    Elevating her to the status of victim-saint might just plant a seed with another nutter.

  159. Crossie

    Roger
    #3032391, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:29 am
    …not sure if you have read the recent disclosures about Martin Luther King and his 40 odd affairs and watching one of his pastor mates rape a parishioner whilst FBI in the next room.

    Which the FBI taped. King’s legacy is not going to survive the release of those files.

    I suspect these are as real as Trump Russia collusion.

  160. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Two spectators dressed up as sandpaper stood on a balcony holding a big image of a cricket ball’

    Hahahaaaaa.

    Fun times for the two cheating pricks in Bristol. The midget angry ranga was booed when he went near the boundary while fielding, booed when came out to bat, booed when he hit a boundary, booed when he got to 50 (against cricketing giants Afghanistan) and booed when he was awarded the Man of the Match.

    All of which is thoroughly deserved, but Justin Langer poured fuel on the fire when he implored spectators NOT to boo him.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m surprised the umpires didn’t boo him.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think people would vote in favor of keeping the ABC because they watched something they liked a decade ago.

    I liked “Phoenix”, “Janus” and “Foyle’s War” but would happily vote to sell the A.B.C. to the highest bidder.

  163. rickw

    KD not sure if you have read the recent disclosures about Martin Luther King

    Probably meant the other Martin Luther. There’s been smoke pouring from Martin Luther King for some time.

  164. Leigh Lowe

    bespoke

    #3032392, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Leigh Lowe
    #3032379, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:21 am

    Who the fuck is Peter?

    memoryvault

    Riiiight.
    I have been largely scrolling a lot of that.
    So, to summarise, someone whose screen name is memoryvault we know to be actually called Peter, is trying to dox someone else.
    That is not how this is meant to work.

  165. Leigh Lowe

    Who the fuck is Peter?

    memoryvault

    Someone owes me 30 minutes of my time scrolling back looking for a non-existent “Peter”.

  166. Stimpson J. Cat

    I think people would vote in favor of keeping the ABC because they watched something they liked a decade ago.

    I can’t speak for everyone else, but again as we are in Pride Month, I would vote to keep the ABC purely because as taxpayers, we could soon be paying for ABC Staff to have paid leave to change Gender.

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    The Kenny Everitt Video Show.

    Banned from watching it. Watched it anyway.

    For years, tried to throw a cigarette in my mouth, a la Sid Snot. It was the funniest moment in televisual history when he finally got one in.

  168. Stimpson J. Cat

    Are we all using our real first names now?
    Awesome.

    Call me Shy Agile Above Average Mad Cock.

  169. Knuckle Dragger

    OK. Martin Luther King was a poor example.

    Martin Short, then.

    Shit.

  170. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nFkCPOMmeI

    Think this is the one of the wymynsys playing chicken with oncoming traffic.

    Backseat passenger didn’t make it, the two front seat survived to do selfies from their hospital beds.

    { the blokes in the car they hit also survived, although hospitalised. Not the media story though.]

  171. areff

    I wonder why so many women are killing their children though.

    Truth be told, they can be very annoying

  172. Stimpson J. Cat

    Truth be told, they can be very annoying

    This is clearly not a real reason, otherwise it would be Women killing Women, which would solve the problem.

  173. bespoke

    The FBI has a history of standing by or assisting in crimes. If it was the CIA I could understand them standing by but the FBI is law enforcement. Martin Luther King is considers rite wing now and fare game

  174. struth

    Good moaning.
    I am n the state of unicorn fart power generation.
    Haven’t been able to get Sky News anywhere I go.
    Having outsiders withdrawl.
    Is it a good show this morning?

  175. Frank

    ABC staff undergoing ‘gender transition’ to be given paid leave.

    Any bets on who the first in line for that “hang on, isn’t that X wearing a frock” moment will be.

    My money is on Tony Jones rocking a D cup with a slash of scarlet lippy after the well earned holiday season, trying to carry on as if there is nothing going on. All those years of being hate pegged by his better half would have to catch up after a while.

  176. Top Ender

    Kenny didn’t get it right all the time:

  177. Knuckle Dragger

    I was a trenchcoat-wearer in Flemington when the muppet killed his kids in a Gippsland dam, on a Sunday, Father’s Day.

    The following morning I was discussing the matter with a colleague, having had the benefit of reading the paper which had dubbed it a ‘Father’s Day Tragedy’. Within 30 seconds we both tipped it as bullshit – not because we were awesome at what we did (although, hey..) but because we were both fathers.

    The overriding view was – ‘If I go into water with my little kids in the back, either we all get out, or none of us get out.’

  178. Mother Lode

    I suspect these are as real as Trump Russia collusion.

    I am suspicious of them too.

    Ever since it became common knowledge that he was a registered Republican there seems to have been a bit of a campaign.

    The Black demographic is the property of the Democrats.

  179. Roger

    Martin Luther King is considers rite wing now and fare game

    The FBI were investigating King because of his links with the Communist Party in US.

    The theory was that the Communists had evidence of King’s affairs and were using that to further their purposes via the civil rights movement.

  180. P

    pbw
    #3032171, posted on June 1, 2019 at 10:27 pm

    John Ferguson at the Oz tweeted 22hrs ago:
    My read on George Pell is that he can win his appeal this week but he is up against it.
    His article of yesterday “Pell stands at the gate to freedom” can be accessed through his tweet here.

  181. Roger

    The theory was that the Communists had evidence of King’s affairs and were using that to further their purposes via the civil rights movement.

    Which was proposed after the FBI agents shadowing King noted his promiscuity in their reports.

  182. Infidel Tiger

    MLK was a great man, not a perfect man.

    Trashing his legacy is low and indecent.

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    I have just spent the last ten minutes picking up loose cigarettes from the floor, and stacking them back in the packet. They never quite fit the same.

    Thank you, Top Ender.

    ‘Deirdre was giving me GBH of the earhole, you know…..’

    ‘I was just down the park, feeding the pigeons. To my cat.’

    Kenny Everitt should be knighted.

  184. calli

    That’s interesting, Stimpy.

    Stroke is pretty much constant over all, and suicide over three (Google + media coverage).

    Not sure quite what it means, if anything.

  185. Shy Ted

    Women kill their children for two basic reasons.
    Kelli Lane, Susan Smith are 2 who spring to mind. Kids were just in the way of sporting glory (KL) and new boyfriend (SS). Not sure we know what the suicide note said yet so it’s all conjecture. I’d say the long drive in the recent case was either decision-making (to or not to) or simply waiting for the right circumstances. Toxicology results on the kids will likely be the best indicator of mens rea.

  186. calli

    Loved Everett’s Mick Jagger impersonation.

  187. calli

    It would be posthumous, Knuckles. The poor bugger died of AIDS in the 90’s.

  188. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3032413, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:46 am

    I wonder why so many women are killing their children though.

    Truth be told, they can be very annoying

    (a ) women?;
    (b ) children?: or
    (c ) all of the above?

  189. Arky

    By hook or by crook.
    Wikipedia:
    ..

    The origin of the phrase is obscure, with multiple different explanations and no evidence to support any particular one over the others.[3] For example, a commonly repeated suggestion is that it comes from Hook Head in Wexford, Ireland and the nearby village of Crooke, in Waterford, Ireland. Another is that it comes from the customs regulating which firewood local people could take from common land; they were allowed to take any branches that they could reach with a billhook or a shepherd’s crook (used to hook sheep).[4]

  190. Roger

    Who is pulling Greta Thunberg’s strings?

    Not just her parents…

    “…the Greta phenomenon has also involved green lobbyists, PR hustlers, eco-academics, and a think-tank founded by a wealthy ex-minister in Sweden’s Social Democratic government with links to the country’s energy companies. These companies are preparing for the biggest bonanza of government contracts in history: the greening of the Western economies.” RTWT

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Breaking … Kenneth Everett has bought the farm.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3032434, posted on June 2, 2019 at 11:12 am

    Loved Everett’s Mick Jagger impersonation.

    Ha, ha.
    Ending up with lips as big as a bus.

    calli
    #3032435, posted on June 2, 2019 at 11:14 am

    It would be posthumous, Knuckles. The poor bugger died of AIDS in the 90’s.

    Not sure if he was a bugger or a buggeree.
    But gone.

  193. Leigh Lowe

    Arky

    #3032439, posted on June 2, 2019 at 11:21 am

    By hook or by crook.
    Wikipedia:

    Thanks for blowing up my “Labour are crooks” joke.
    Thanks a lot.
    Bloody wikipedia fact-checkers.
    Ought to be a law …

  194. bespoke

    To be clear calling Peter, Peter, was by hos own request.

  195. Roberto

    A very tedious homily at mass this morning, courtesy of Reconciliation week. Something about indigenous Boer War soldiers who didn’t get paid…we should pay reparations…etc. I kept thinking, to whom? They must have been dead for almost 100 years by now. Another religious order (the Marists) succumbing.

    I looked around the congregation a few times. It was pretty clear that nobody was listening. Most were ensconced in the parish bulletin.

  196. Arky

    Had a sleep in this morning.
    Only to wake to the sounds of pots and pans being used coming from the kitchen.
    Disaster!
    The missus has cooked breakfast.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career

    From Roger’s link.

  198. Shy Ted

    I used to think the secret to my longevity was good genes, a healthy lifestyle and a certain amount of look. Just learned that the real secret is to never having disobeyed she who must be obeyed before. Most boyCats know this, I was just a bit late to the party.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    bespoke

    #3032447, posted on June 2, 2019 at 11:29 am

    To be clear calling Peter, Peter, was by hos own request.

    Fair enough.
    I had been ploughing on through a lot of that.
    Individual choice to join the fray or not.
    The only time I started responding was when mv Peter started trying to direct traffic on appropriate open forum subjects.

  200. Stimpson J. Cat

    To be clear calling Peter, Peter, was by his own request.

    Can you post that request then please.
    Thanks in advance.

  201. egg_

    Are we now seeing The True (Thai) Albo – just like The real Julia(TM)?

  202. Arky

    Thanks for blowing up my “Labour are crooks” joke.

    ..
    I’m watching you Lowe.
    Lift your game.
    A noticeable drop off in performance recently. Acerbated by your recent girly howls of fear over cancer scares.

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    calli,

    Hmm. I did wonder where he’d gone. If, in fact, he’s dead at all.

    Next you’ll be telling me Roger Moore’s expired.

  204. Mother Lode

    Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career

    I thought the daughter was supposed to be the savant.

  205. Bec

    Citation
    You are right PND is real – I skated very close to the same state after my first pregnancy, and I watched a colleague in the same state a couple of years ago. I remember my mother visiting me a couple of weeks after my twins were born and telling me to go for a walk to the post office while she minded the babies. I couldn’t see how it was possible – not from a physical point of view, but just because I was literally mentally paralyzed. My sisters never seemed to experience it when they had their kids, but I did after my first pregnancy and my mum did too after some of her pregnancies. I have worked my whole life in a demanding professional role and am not an incapable person. I noticed something when I saw my colleague go through PND a couple of years ago – she didn’t accept that it was all about her – it manifested itself as what she considered to be a completely rational concern that there was something really wrong with her baby. (This was unfounded – he was a difficult baby but is a completely normal toddler now.) I was exactly the same. It sounds like your daughter is in a bad way. She probably needs medication to get through it properly – it will pass and it will only be short term. Ideally your SIL would make an appointment for her with the GP and take her himself. (I know someone else who had to do this for his PND wife – it sounds really patronizing and I have no doubt that in normal circumstances that would be totally ridiculous but it might be necessary). Also helpful is as much help with the baby as possible – people actually coming in and taking the baby and telling her to go for a walk for an hour. People taking the baby for a walk and giving her some time. She might be unwilling to accept this, but it is what she needs. I’m so sorry – it would have been awful to see her in such a state. Also – and this is likely to be pretty controversial on this forum but is the truth – what gets some women back on track is getting back to the workforce. For a certain type of woman it really helps to get the sense that some aspect of your life is back under control.

  206. calli

    Greta = Jackie Coogan. Without the talent.

    Jackie had at least two 💡moments in his life. He sued his parents and he made one light up.

  207. Arky

    Aw fuck.
    This is inedible.

  208. Mother Lode

    Next you’ll be telling me Roger Moore’s expired.

    We lost a lot of good men at The Alamo. Right, Monty?

  209. bespoke

    Go find it your self Stimps. It was shortly after Peter complained about JC mistakenly doxing him and before Peter threatened to dox and more other people.

  210. Arky

    Raspberries and burn bacon?

  211. Biota

    The overriding view was – ‘If I go into water with my little kids in the back, either we all get out, or none of us get out.’

    Happened to us once crossing a flooded creek. Me and the two kids got out, just. Them first.

  212. Roger

    A very tedious homily at mass this morning, courtesy of Reconciliation week.

    When did that become part of the church calendar?

    And trumping Ascension Day….really?

  213. calli

    Consider yourself lucky, Arky.

    The Beloved got a meal replacement shake (on account of suit coat button strainage).

  214. Arky

    Yeah, but you’re not trying to kill him Calli.

  215. Geriatric Mayfly

    Greta’s father Svante, who now devotes himself to managing her career
    A Doctor she will be.

  216. Shy Ted

    Insiders LOL. That little clip – 3AW asking the searching questions of ALP deputy Richard Marles – “do you really collect snowdomes?” Election-swinging stuff.

  217. Notafan

    Shy Ted

    Have been wondering if she drugged them up first.

  218. Arky

    This cold pancake is the consistency of a mouse pad.

  219. Arky

    Got to distract her with something while I find the dog.

  220. Shy Ted

    I’m not Peter. I’m not called Ted either. In fact, I think a lot of youse are using fake names. If I’m wrong a lot of you had drunk parents.

  221. Roberto

    Roger
    #3032467, posted on June 2, 2019 at 11:46 am

    When did that become part of the church calendar?

    And trumping Ascension Day….really?

    Indeed.

    Ascension did get a short mention, but then it was on to the important stuff.

    And don’t get me started about the moving of Ascension from Thursday to Sunday all those years ago.

  222. Arky

    This internet thing.
    It isn’t permanent is it?
    I mean, she will never find out what I said about her cooking?

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Acerbated by your recent girly howls of fear over cancer scares.

    Not true.
    Cancer holds no fears.
    But I am not so keen on large diameter stainless steel inspection tools without recessed grub-screws.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    A very tedious homily at mass this morning, courtesy of Reconciliation week.
    When did that become part of the church calendar?

    The Columban Calendar always had pride of place on the wall, when I was a kid. Every single day, seemed to celebrate some Saint, supernatural event and even Papal dogma. A lot of also rans amongst the sainted to fill space. Marking off a whole week to some nebulous cause would have delighted the compilers.

  225. egg_

    Mincing Marr set to sit on the Insiders couch this morning. During his last appearance, not only did he predict a thumping Liars majority; he stated that many Liberals were actually welcoming the looming electoral Armageddon as it would rid the party of many of the hard right conservatives that everyone loathes.

    LMFAO!
    Wrongology strikes again – wishful thinking ain’t reality, retards.
    The parallel clown Universe must have opened up a vortex.

  226. Knuckle Dragger

    I wouldn’t think the poor kids were drugged, Nota. Although, again – I’m not privy to the finer details.

    There wouldn’t be a need to.

    Their ages would dictate they be strapped in – all as per usual, so no questions for Mumsy about why I haven’t got my belts on.

    And they – unlike the murderess – wouldn’t have known what hit them.

  227. Stimpson J. Cat

    Go find it your self Stimps. It was shortly after Peter complained about JC mistakenly doxing him and before Peter threatened to dox and more other people.


    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3032408, posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:41 am
    Are we all using our real first names now?
    Awesome.
    Call me Shy Agile Above Average Mad Cock.

    See how easy that is?

  228. egg_

    The comments and observations from the couch are some of the most juvenile and completely wrong utterings you will hear anywhere.

    Window lickers TV.

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