The ABC is a national security threat

How’s that for a click bait headline?

No. Really, I hear you say, the ABC is a national security threat.

Now true – there is so much to dislike about the ABC. But for all their faults – and there are many – having the police raid a media outlet is poor form. Ditto for the raid on the News journalist yesterday.

Jack the Insider at the Australian sums it up nicely.

What is of greatest concern is our governments, federal, state and local and their agencies view the citizenry in general with suspicion if not outright contempt. We are judged not at our best nor even our mean but by our worst members.

An informed public would seem to be a government’s gravest fear. As far as the law enforcement apparatus is concerned, the public interest is an inconvenience and where it conflicts with their perception of national security issues, it falls a long way back second to the point now where it has virtually ceased to exist.

This national security malarkey that is continually used to suppress our freedoms needs to be nipped in the bud. One of my favourite quotes from Joseph Schumpeter.

Lawless violence the bourgeois stratum may accept or even applaud when thoroughly roused or frightened, but only temporarily. In a purely bourgeois regime like that of Louis Philippe, troops may fire on strikers, but the police cannot round up intellectuals or must release them forthwith; otherwise the bourgeois stratum, however strongly disapproving some of their. doings, will rally behind them because the freedom it disapproves cannot be crushed without also crushing the freedom it approves.

I saw the PM on Sky News last night saying that he always approves our laws being enforced.  To be fair – what else can he say? But there seemed to be a steeliness in him that I hadn’t observed before. Nor Mrs D, who reckoned that he’ll be taking a much harder line going forward. Now a much harder line of spending and debt reduction would be good. But harassing journalists?

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79 Responses to The ABC is a national security threat

  1. I didn’t know Their ABC had journalists.

  2. billie

    the filth need to be reminded they are not above the law, whatever their excuse

  3. Tim Neilson

    Being a “journalist” should be no excuse for disobeying our laws.

    If our national security laws are undesirably heavy handed then let’s debate how they should be modified.

    If there’s any reason to believe that the enforcement in this case was more heavy handed than it should have been, given the duty of our law enforcement agencies to uphold the law, then that should be explained publicly.

    But in the meantime the ABC “journalists” concerned should be treated like any other accused citizen, i.e. locked up on remand unless bail is granted on proper grounds.

  4. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds no evidence of sources other than what someone said on Twitter or Facebook.

  5. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds sandals everywhere.

  6. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds man in ladies toilet. Frank Elly told “please explain”.

  7. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds staff are massively overpaid.

  8. Karabar

    At least they didn’t get the same treatment as Julian Assange.

  9. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds single A4 sheet of paper with all their talking points ever.

  10. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds ABC comedians are recruited from list of unemployed lawyers.

  11. Percy Popinjay

    Breaking – AFP raids ALPBC. Fails to find anyone wearing one of these.

  12. Shy Ted

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds travel receipts to Ultimo cafes but nowhere else.

  13. stackja

    I believe all ABC news reports need to be investigated. To me too much seems to be made up.

  14. feelthebern

    Raids by the AFP is all for show.
    They are trying to back fill that which they already know from meta data & other intelligence agencies.
    As I said on the other thread:

    I believe the AFP investigation, targeted at uncovering the alleged SAS informant, will show that there was no SAS informant & the ABC made it up to give the Afghan crook’s bullshit story some gravitas.

  15. Rex Mango

    The ABC should be shut down, not due their obvious national security threat and constant promotion of Marxism, but via the simple expediency of separation of church and state, ie the ABC to a man/person/non-binary form are devout followers of the religion of Climate Change.

  16. duncanm

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds everyone on gender reassignment leave

  17. Mother Lode

    I didn’t know Their ABC had journalists.

    If you go to a schoolyard where 6 year-olds are playing you will find police officers, cowboys, Indians, astronauts etc.

    Same thing.

  18. feelthebern

    Doesn’t it surprise anyone how so many police “random traffic stops” result in such huge breaks in cases?
    The plod meta data or are tapping the phones.
    They then need to back fill the story.
    Hence the “random traffic stops”.
    We need probable cause laws in this country.

  19. lotocoti

    So if I decide something in a classified doc. is beyond the pale and slip it to someone who cannot legally read it, that’s OK.
    Because I decided.
    Why did I ever bother with all that Books and Keys Correct malarkey?

  20. Tim Neilson

    Shy Ted
    #3035249, posted on June 5, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Thanks for all of these.

    Brightened my day.

  21. Mother Lode

    Being a “journalist” should be no excuse for disobeying our laws.

    If it was a fiction then there is no threat to national security. Just the ABC failing in its obligations. Again.

    The ABC will be looking to fan outrage from their base and others not familiar with them but who have been brought up with the warm fuzzy myth that it is all Bananas in Pyjamas. But is there any word as to whether
    proper less drastic avenues had been exhausted – had the government legally sought and been illegally refused the information.

    The ABC is a law unto itself after all.

    I put this forward purely in the spirit of speculation since it seems also unlikely that the government would be so forceful with a network which so terrifies them while they are still flushed with victory – they would be looking forward to 3 years of photo ops and want nothing to endanger that blissful prospect.

  22. thefrollickingmole

    I wonder if Al Jazera assisted in any of the reporting on the Afghan case..?

    Though on a more serious note I despise this new culture of “security”, all brought about by deliberately, willfully and knowingly allowing people from the worst areas of this planet to be imported in numbers big enough to ruin any chance of assimilation.

    Combined with a systematic and ongoing hate of “old Australia” which further eliminates any chance of 2nd generation assimilation, because it only praises the parents culture as authentic.

    Coupled with a willing refusal to remove the worst elements of the newly arrived despite the damage they do not just to people already here, but their own communities.

  23. “I didn’t know Their ABC had journalists.”

    They don’t…they have activists.

  24. stackja

    Louise Milligan reports for the ABC.

  25. stackja

    D-Day header reminds of security before the landing. Several officers were shipped out of England for talking too much.

  26. thefrollickingmole

    On their ABC..

    Adani is having a little dig back, and the ABC diont like it up ’em.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/04/abc-journalists-call-on-news-chief-to-explain-why-adani-story-was-pulled

    second 1/2 of the story is the best bit.
    Concern was also raised by the union about revelations in Guardian Australia last week that Adani had lodged several Freedom of Information requests about ABC journalists who had covered the controversial Indian mining company.

    The ABC’s Queensland-based investigative reporter Josh Robertson referred to the Adani FOI application in an earlier ABC report about the company’s aggressive legal approach to opponents, through its lawyers AJ & Co.

    “Since it was engaged by Adani, AJ & Co has pushed to bankrupt a cash-strapped Indigenous opponent of the mine, threatened legal action against a community legal service and an environmental group, and applied to access an ABC journalist’s expenses and documents,” Robertson reported.

    Reporters Mark Willacy and Michael Slezak were asked for documents relating to news reports on allegations Adani was illegally drilling bore holes. These requests were made by AJ & Co, a legal firm acting for Adani which refers to itself as a “trained attack dog”.

    Willacy and Slezak’s travel and accommodation costs and some heavily redacted phone logs were released but the majority of the application was rejected.

    The MEAA media director, Katelin McInerney, said she was alarmed by attempts to access journalists’ records.

    “This is a blatant attempt to intimidate and harass journalists going about their duties to report legitimate news stories in the public interest,” McInerney said.

    “Attacks on press freedom must not be tolerated in a healthy functioning democracy – regardless of whether those assaults come from political interests or powerful corporations seeking to deter legitimate scrutiny of their activities.

    “ABC journalists must be given the backing and support of ABC management to continue doing their job and fulfilling their responsibilities to keep their audience informed.”

    Their ABC isnt happy if the spotlight gets turned back on them.

  27. a threat to national security?

    Maybe,

    But definitely a threat to:
    power supplies
    gas explorers and extractors
    agriculture
    LNP politicians
    miners
    rule of law
    democracy

  28. Herodotus

    A threat to national well-being.
    No doubt about that.
    And the billion buckeroonies per annum could be much better used.
    They loved the Finko & Rickety scheme, but cold AFP steel is not so good.

  29. John Constantine

    Why raid when you can simply offer a bonus of social rating points to anybody that entraps an ABC activist with honeybait.

    We will see the day that false stories are spoonfed to ABC journalists for political advantage and private profit.

    Anybody interested in the super profits made by short selling cartels after their target companies are gotchad by stories ‘ obtained’ by select journalists?.

  30. John Dee

    A sudden raid well after the event suggeststhat some evidence may have surfaced that needs further investigation that the ABC report on Afghanistan may be suspect.
    Predictably the ABC has responded with much outrage and full on bleating about “the people and their right to know” when they clearly mean “their people and their right to say what they please” even if it involves very questionable – and possibly even seditious content.
    Standby for yet another surge of luvvie outrage.
    But the fact is “Their ABC” has form.
    Remember the ABC report on Australian Defence Personnel holding refugee hands and arms to the hot exhausts in the Howard era?
    Entirely false.
    Is this a repeat performance with a different cast??
    For the record:
    “The wording around the ABC’s initial reporting needed to be more precise on that point. We regret if our reporting led anyone to mistakenly assume that the ABC supported the asylum seekers’ claims. The ABC has always presented the allegations as just that – claims worthy of further investigation.”
    Mark Scott 04 February 2014

  31. Squirrel

    A broadcaster which wraps itself in the flag on ANZAC Day and, for the rest of the year, seemingly jumps at every opportunity to get stuck into the armed services, probably shouldn’t be too surprised at this.

    On the other hand, a Government which has been returned with the narrowest of majorities, and with some serious problems to deal with over the coming term, wouldn’t want to waste too much political capital on episodes which risk disconcerting just about everyone except its most rusted on and apathetic supporters. The Schumpeter quote about what the middle classes will tolerate is very apposite, indeed.

  32. Empire 5:5

    The AFP raids got good coverage in the US.
    All over the chains this arvo. Anons rooting for retribution against lying j’ismists.

  33. Jock

    I fear Farcebook, Google and the other Masters of the Universe more than these laws. While I am not a fan of such laws I can see the point. But Farcebook can just shut me out and close me down. No comebacvk. No reason.

    I should also add that Snowden and various hackers including the idiot formerly in the embassy all regard themselves as “journalists”.

  34. Behind Enemy Lines

    With a relatively few honourable exceptions, the Australian press is simply vile. It has done incalculable damage to the country with its willful stupidity, lies and sedition. Large parts of the industry actively suppress news that contradicts the left-wing narrative, and eagerly cover up the misdeeds of lefty politicians. Not to mention the thundering cascade of excrement that comprises their reporting on society in general. All of this made possible by the most egregious imaginable abuse of the special pampered privilege called ‘freedom of the press’. They’ve forsaken our trust, along with their claim to special status. I now trust the government, even a labor government, more than I trust the Australian press. So far as I’m concerned, the police should go in there and rip ’em a new one. Meanwhile, I’m sure the handful of decent and credible journalists will continue holding the government to account without breaking the law every fifteen minutes.

  35. Driftforge

    Journalists have become the enemy. What we really need to be thinking through is how to reintroduce the nominally positive function they were supposed to provide 100 years ago, in the modern world, such that any remaining privileges extended to journalists can be revoked, and their privileged status rescinded.

    In the mean time, soldiers over priests is always a good move.

  36. Paul

    Remember how the ABC reacted when their salaries were leaked to the press!

  37. Tezza

    Well Sinc, the Cats refuse to be herded on this one. I look forward to the results of the raid on the ABC, whether they show there was an SAS informer who broke security restrictions to leak to the ABC, or that alternatively there was no SAS informer and the ABC just made it up as cover for their Arab sources.

  38. Paul

    Some of these ABC journalists just encourage public servants to be political players by publishing any old crap in the ‘public interest’.

  39. Behind Enemy Lines

    Driftforge
    #3035347, posted on June 5, 2019 at 5:44 pm
    Journalists have become the enemy. What we really need to be thinking through is how to reintroduce the nominally positive function they were supposed to provide 100 years ago, in the modern world, such that any remaining privileges extended to journalists can be revoked, and their privileged status rescinded.

    In the mean time, soldiers over priests is always a good move.

    Nicely put.

  40. Caveman

    See who fronts up at the Ecador embassy.

  41. Paul

    Credlin has a great piece tonight on the leaking of top secret information

  42. egg_

    Useful ijiots, if not mendacious.

  43. egg_

    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds staff uniform is bibs and braces.

  44. egg_

    Why raid when you can simply offer a bonus of social rating points to anybody that entraps an ABC activist with honeybait.

    Rent boys for ‘Mardi Gras’?

  45. Muddy

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3035288, posted on June 5, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    “I didn’t know Their ABC had journalists.”

    They don’t…they have activists.

    No, no, NO, NOOOOOO and, just in case you missed it the first four times …NO!
    There is no such thing as an ‘activist’ now. They are provocateurs, sociocultural (and sometimes economic) insurgents, pyromaniacs, and parasitic infestations. The term ‘activist’ has been borrowed from those of the 60s and 70s to lend street cred to the dysfunctional of today who seek only to destroy, rather than to mend or create.
    Let’s cease complimenting those who fantasize about erasing us from the planet.
    It begins with the language we use.

  46. Tel

    An informed public would seem to be a government’s gravest fear.

    ABC is safe as houses on that score.

  47. Tel

    I saw the PM on Sky News last night saying that he always approves our laws being enforced.

    I support the law being enforced, in the most evenhanded manner possible. The people should obey the law, and the various branches of government should obey the law, including both the ABC and the police and the military too. Most importantly, the people who make the rules should be very closely checked to ensure they are exemplar followers of the rules they impose on others.

    So if I decide something in a classified doc. is beyond the pale and slip it to someone who cannot legally read it, that’s OK.
    Because I decided.

    It’s ok if you are happy to take the consequences … like that Manning chap.

  48. Rebel with cause

    Remember that the ABC was a cheery booster of Finklestein who was keen on jailing editors that refused to print the accepted ‘truth’.

    Having said that, if the ABC is undermining national security there is a very simple fix – defund it. No need for dawn raids and roasting taxpayer money in lawyer fees.

  49. jupes

    I wonder if Al Jazera assisted in any of the reporting on the Afghan case..?

    Indeed. Why aren’t the Feds investigating the collusion between the ABC and the media arm of the terrorist supporting rogue state in their attempt to undermine and influence the recent election?

  50. C.L.

    As Wussia-gate has conclusively proven, “intelligence” agencies are the enemy of the people.
    There are too many of them, they are too unaccountable and they are too invested in the Great Game of espionage and counter-espionage – much of which is a load of fanciful baloney anyway.

  51. feelthebern

    I wonder if Al Jazera assisted in any of the reporting on the Afghan case..?

    No.
    The ABC paid a video journo to go to the back blocks of Afghanistan to ask the crook a few questions.
    The ABC journos didn’t have the balls to go there & see how the set up of the village & cliffs etc didn’t stack up.

  52. feelthebern

    I wonder if Al Jazera assisted in any of the reporting on the Afghan case..?

    No.
    The ABC paid a video journo to go to the back blocks of Afghanistan to ask the crook a few questions.
    The ABC journos didn’t have the b*lls to go there & see how the set up of the village & cliffs etc didn’t stack up.

  53. jupes

    Why did it take two years to decide to investigate?

    Could it be related to the stupid, treasonous and never ending Brereton Inquiry not having any actual evidence after three long years? We can only hope …

  54. AussieUte

    Regardless of what you think about Peta or Tony … Peat get’s down to the nitty gritty
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1136185625596399616

  55. Richard Bender

    Sinc, time to finally delete ‘libertarian’ from the slogan at the top of this block. Apparently everyone here will be happy when we’re seig heiling Peter Dutton and having him and his goons monitor everything we do.

  56. Tel

    Richard Bender #3035501,

    This is one branch of government having a spat with another branch of government … I would really appreciate if you don’t include any “we” in that recipe … if you don’t mind.

  57. Rob MW

    The leaking defence official was at the time a public servant and the ABC is at all times a public servant. The Schedule of the Criminal Code – Proper Administration of Government – applies to commonwealth public servants.

  58. Boambee John

    Muddy at 1825

    Let’s cease complimenting those who fantasize about erasing us from the planet.

    There has bern an interesting change in those who dislike western society over the past half century.

    Once those who rejected western society would drop out. They would find a guru in India, or study Zen Buddhism or just become beach bums.

    Now they actively hate those who do not share tgeir opinions about capitalism or consumerism, and work to gain positions from which they can destroy all of the society they hate.

    Nihilism writ large.

  59. a reader

    Richard Bender, given that neither ScoMo nor Dutton knew about the raids before the fact that’s mightily unfair

  60. Phill

    What incentives, if any, did these journos provide to the leaker? After all, one does not break the law (official secrets act) that a person needs to sign up to before being given access to documents with the classification level that the journos say backend their stories, without significant motivation. That might have been ideological, it might have been financial. In either case, it was very likely to have been encouraged or facilitated by the journos.

    Once the documents were placed in the journos hands, they then chose to write their articles in a typical sensational fashion, rather than in the dry officialese style that is always used in official documents. How did they spin it? I think with a typical left wing anti-military bias.

    I say let the AFP investigate it. If they find that laws were broken, then prosecute. But please, stop this bullshit about police states. After all, don’t these types yearn for a future big government autocratic utopia? If thats what they want, give it to them, good and hard.

  61. Fess

    If the ABC is in possession of classified documents, a crime has been committed. No ifs, no buts. Shut up and let the AFP investigate it. These days too many journalists are not doing their traditional job; they are pursuing their own political agendas with no regard for the security of our country.

  62. feelthebern

    This is silly.
    The AFP know all the SAS members on the patrol.
    They would have the meta data on them all.
    No need to raid the ABC.

  63. Amused

    Shy Ted
    #3035243, posted on June 5, 2019 at 3:23 pm
    Breaking – AFP raids ABC. Finds single A4 sheet of paper with all their talking points ever.

    It was a Post It note – the contents of which have been helpfully leaked to me by an AFP insider.

    It says:

    Orange man bad
    Coalition man bad
    Climate change catastrophe

  64. Mr Johnson

    The problem for journalists is, that now, no one likes, believes, or respects, journalists.

  65. Percy Popinjay

    please, stop this bullshit about police states. After all, don’t these types yearn for a future big government autocratic utopia? If that’s what they want, give it to them, good and hard.

    Well said. About time someone pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of the ALPBC and its noxious treasonous j’ismists whining about a police state, big brother, etc.

    They don’t like it up ’em.

  66. Percy Popinjay

    The problem for journalists is, that now, no one likes, believes, or respects, journalists.

    Unfortunately, I regularly encounter quite a few irredeemable imbeciles who still do. They regard everything deafeningly trumpeted by the ALPBC, the Grauniad and the Silly Moaning Horrid as the plain truth, as opposed to “the thundering cascade of excrement”* it so clearly is.

    *Thanks BEL, magnificent and brutal, in equal measure.

  67. Perfidious Albino

    Much as I respect the service of all who serve, this McBride chap seems like something of a fantasist. Of course, his old man was lauded for being the whistleblower on Thalidomide. There are contemporary press reports online dating back to the early 200o’s when he was pre-selected as a Liberal candidate in NSW that suggest elements of his former military service in the UK, including being a captain in the SAS, had been ’embellished’.

  68. AlanR

    With all the hyperventilating about the ABC, Cats are ignoring the fact that the AFP also raided the private home of News Corp. journalist Annika Smethurst. Me thinks you lot need to remove the plant of wood from your own eye to see the speck of dust in others.

  69. Behind Enemy Lines

    Phill
    #3035556, posted on June 5, 2019 at 10:07 pm
    . . . please, stop this bullshit about police states. After all, don’t these types yearn for a future big government autocratic utopia? If thats what they want, give it to them, good and hard.

    Percy Popinjay
    #3035701, posted on June 6, 2019 at 8:27 am
    . . . About time someone pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of the ALPBC and its noxious treasonous j’ismists whining about a police state, big brother, etc.

    They don’t like it up ’em.

    Indeed. While I was celebrating the frantic squeaking from the Ultimo rat’s nest as the terriers went to work, I’d completely overlooked this point: the ABC would be every bit as delighted to see the police turning up at farrospart to tear through my computer or yours, hunting for evidence of climate wrongthink or opposition to the would-be bioleninist freakshow dictatorship.

    And this is why we presently can’t have nice things like a libertarian Australian. Because the left refuses to operate in a rules-based society. What they want — what they are largely getting — is a society where they spend public funds to smash up the place and break the law at leisure, and even more public funding to strafe us for exercising our political right to object.

    So, suck it up, ABC snowflakes. This is the ‘more government’ you’ve been begging for.

  70. Deplorable

    Absolutely amazing ,the ABC who defends its bias and actions by claiming it is a statutory body and the government cannot intervene now wants the government to intervene because another statutory body has raided the ABC offices seeking information and evidence of wrong doing. Hypocrites all

  71. Just a reminder…
    People holding security clearances “leaked” information to the press.
    They then used the stories published as evidence, which they presented to a FISA court for warrants to spy on private citizens.
    The very same “security cleared” people leaked notes and memos to the press in order to start an investigation (called a special prosecutor).
    The result being a national gridlock for 3 years with untold damage to the nation and individuals.

    I am of course talking about the Russia-gate malarkey in America.
    People holding security clearances leaking for political gain is a no no for a nation.
    I don’t care who gets raided or who is inconvenienced, this shit has to stop.
    And as others have pointed out in comments above, journos these days are not the journos of yesteryear. There is no such thing as the 4th estate any longer.
    Journos (activists, leftards with by lines…but I repeat myself) should be treated no different to us ordinary plebs. Abuse your privileges, lose your privileges.

  72. egg_

    the ABC who defends its bias and actions by claiming it is a statutory body and the government cannot intervene now wants the government to intervene because another statutory body has raided the ABC offices seeking information and evidence of wrong doing

    Sounds like an “independent” wymminses who cries for help at the first major hurdle.

  73. Mark M

    John Lyons, Executive Editor ABC News & ABC Head of Investigative Journalism. Ex Editor SMH. Perkin & 3-time Walkley winner. Author Balcony Over Jerusalem. Tweets my views:

    “I’m still staggered by the power of this warrant. It allows the AFP to “add, copy, delete or alter” material in the ABC’s computers. All Australians, please think about that: as of this moment, the AFP has the power to delete material in the ABC’s computers. Australia 2019.”

    https://twitter.com/TheLyonsDen/status/1136124130204442624

    Perhaps someone should point out to Mr Lyons the ABC suppression of alternative views on failed UN doomsday global warming by their ABC.

  74. Tim Neilson

    It allows the AFP to “add, copy, delete or alter” material in the ABC’s computers.

    Without seeing the whole warrant it’s difficult to form a definite view.

    But it’s easy to see how such powers might legitimately be given for limited purposes.

    So the AFP might be permitted to “add” things which help track data which is suspected of being wrongly obtained. They should certainly be able to “copy” material which may be evidence. They may be able to “delete” matter which is incontrovertibly classified. And they may be permitted to “alter” matter e.g. to redact some bits that are incontrovertibly classified while leaving the rest.

    So I’m not convinced that this is the outrage that the ‘journalist’ seems to want us to regard it as.

  75. Procrustes

    I agree with you 100% Sinclair.

  76. Dr Fred Lenin

    Now if you were chief of AFP you would need to make you mob look as though is was actually doing something ,I mean they dont collect fines for being half a k over the speed limit and act as revenue raisers instead of fighting crime,so they were vital to giving pollies money to enhance their careers . So dont knock iwhat they are doing ,we dont want them on the dole do we?

  77. Old Lefty

    As the ABC is so fanatical about unearthing historical abuse cases by enemies of the revolution such as the clergy, what about a raid to establish the identities of the p3derast mates of Richard Neville (the ANC’s pin+up Marxist pervert) whom the ABC worker Soviet has been protecting since 1975?

  78. Old Lefty

    No sympathy at all re the raids: whoever leaked those documents is a criminal.

  79. BorisG

    Why abc or Newscorp people should be above the law?

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