Open Forum: June 29, 2019

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  1. feelthebern

    I see it playing out like this.
    Izzy gets the dosh by way of settlement.
    Agrees to not play rugby in Oz again.
    Qantas extends & increases its existing sponsorship of RA to paper over any financial cracks.
    The Club pats everyone who kept their mouths shut on the back.

  2. stackja

    Real Mark Latham
    @RealMarkLatham
    Replying to @mlbertini @ByronRothschild and 2 others
    Is this really @MagdaSzubanski??

    Magda Szubanski AO
    ‏Verified account
    @MagdaSzubanski
    Magda Szubanski AO Retweeted Real Mark Latham
    Yes. It really is. I think this is probably the image you’ve been manoeuvring towards. Let me issue here & now an unreserved apology. My understanding has evolved massively over the last 25 years and you will never see me do anything like this again.

  3. rickw

    20 years ago when the greatst generation were pointing out the obvious: that the fag pride movement would see christianity banned.

    Right again.

    They are a very strange lot, I occasionally catch up with two that I have known for a very long time, we used to be next door neighbors. I do house repairs for them, they cook food for me, we chat about art, religion, politics, they know I’m a Christian and I have made my beliefs pretty clear to them.

    Last night I visited them and they asked about Izzy. I said that I had been relatively disinterested in the issue until the left wing filth at GFM stopped his fundraiser. Then I donated $240 to Izzy.

    Boy did they have a meltdown! Strange that they got so worked up about things that they don’t believe in!

    I doubt I’ll get invited back until the next plumbing or security emergency! 🙂

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Scientists can potentially damage the standing of the elders, or the right to land claims, should our findings contradict the oral traditions.”

    As with climate science, there is science and then there is ‘science’. Aboriginal traditional ‘science’, as now faithfully taught in our schools, is oral but must be believed. My Welsh nana used to have some oral traditions about Welsh land vs the English too, but apparently she was not ‘scientific’ enough about them and although a rather vocal lady her traditions were little heard. True science, in fact, as shown by my genes, meant that her Welsh heritage was largely Norse anyway (hence my very good skin and musculature, Joh). Blame the bloody Norsemen going a-Viking and seek reparations from Scandinavia, I say.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    As an atheist, I find this pagan shit offensive.

    Really weird how so many Lefties loathe Christianity but then take up all sorts of stuff. Not only Gaia-worship but the whole gamut of witchcraft, crystals and whatnot. Aboriginal mysticism is another one. As a waste of their time and money it seems crazy, but then I suppose it’s mostly other people’s money.

  6. Roger

    Indigenous people regard themselves as having been here forever.

    They didn’t invent the sextant then?

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    I would love to vote for the s decromat who promises taxpayer funded abortions for men who think they are women and get pregnant ,a promise that will cost nothing ,a first for career polliswine . In the event of having to fund an abortion for one of these confused guys ,it will make virgin birth look a bit ordinary.
    To think , one of these decromat idiots will stand against Trump as president ,they even make the turnbullists look a tiny bit better .
    The turnbull ,dutton nonsense prove that lawtradepersons should not be allowed to even vote let alonr hold office , too used to deceit lying ,cheating ,plotting and total unawareness ,look at the crop over the years ,whitlam ,etc. etc. I would not breed from these people , look at turnbulls , son arrogant little prick .

  8. Perth Trader

    Journalist…Hello Raelene. What are you doing at the airport?
    Raelene..I’m off to NZ to check out a job in Pig Racing Assoc.
    Journalist..Does it pay as well as RA, $800k a year?
    Raelene..Yeah, nah..but only happy pigs squeal .

  9. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Peter Griffin, KD?’

    Can’t say more. Official Secrets Act and all that.

    Still need OPM though.

  10. Roger

    Really weird how so many Lefties loathe Christianity but then take up all sorts of stuff.

    When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything

    Emile Cammaerts, 1937.

  11. DrBeauGan

    As an atheist, I find this pagan shit offensive.
    Who can I complain to & who can I get sacked?

    #metoo

    It’s very racist. It assumes that all aborigines are retarded children who will collapse if any of their traditional beliefs are questioned. This is insulting in the extreme.

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My understanding has evolved massively over the last 25 years

    Give her another 25 years and she’ll be on here agreeing with the rest of us once-were-socialists reprobates. Times change and people do change with them. Magda is just on a low point of the learning curve as yet. Or maybe travelling on the wrong one.

    Time wounds all heels, though, Magdy darls. Travel well, regardless, you’ve been good for a laugh.

  13. feelthebern

    If Hitler & the Nazi party were ridiculed as the pagan fruits they all were in the beginning, the holocaust would not have happened.

  14. feelthebern

    I don’t understand why more hasn’t been made of the gayness of the Nazi party upper echelons.

  15. Dr Faustus

    Cameron Clyne’s rather panicky, detailed defensive statement – given before the first shots of legal action have started – tells me that the RA Board is acutely aware that the luscious Ray Castle and her team have fucked up the process with Folau. Raelene’s own pleading email to me on Thursday claiming “complete professionalism and integrity” confirms it.

    She will be under the bus, just as quickly as discovery starts and the full horror becomes clear.

    On litigation insurance. Seems very unlikely that RA will have ATE insurance for this; it’s usually only available to defendants for cast iron cases. In any event, it is primarily lube on the pineapple and won’t cover defendant’s own costs, or any penalty/damages/settlement payment.

  16. feelthebern

    LOL.
    Magda in trouble for black face.
    Cast her out.

  17. feelthebern

    Dr F, it was reported that they took out litigation insurance specific to the Folau case.
    This happened post the RA kangaroo court, pre the GFM page.

  18. Leigh Lowe

    Stackja at 10:33.
    WTF is that all about?

  19. duncanm

    “Many indigenous Australians see this sort of measurement and quantifying as inappropriate.’’

    So I presume (minority) creationists can now claim offense at any argument for evolution ?

    No ?

  20. duncanm

    feelthebern
    #3065841, posted on June 29, 2019 at 10:45 am

    LOL.
    Magda in trouble for black face.

    Warning, don’t search “magda black face” on duck duck go 😉

  21. feelthebern

    Earth is just a terraformed planet.
    Aliens did it.
    Tom Brady is one of the alien watchers left behind.
    You know it makes sense.

  22. Cardimona

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, I can’t get any version of the following into print in a Qld paper…

    The Editor

    Chris Calcino (op-ed, 22/6) makes valid points about locating an indigenous cultural centre in Cairns, but can we taxpayers who will be funding it at least insist on some historical accuracy?

    The name “First Nations” has been appropriated from modern Canadian indigenous cultural references and does not apply here; at best our current indigenous folk would be “Third Nations”.

    In his epic volumes “A History of Australia”, the late Manning Clark, (arguably Australia’s greatest historian), records the three waves of human migration to Australia via the northern land-bridge.

    Clark, building on the work of Joseph Birdsell and Norman Tindale, notes the first humans (so, “First Nations”) were the Negritoes, who were from south-east Asia and are now considered extinct.

    The Negritoes were conquered and displaced by the second wave, the Murrayians, related to the Ainu of Japan. The Murrayians built Australia’s “Second Nations”.

    The Murrayians were in turn conquered and displaced by the third wave, the Carpentarians, related to the Vedda of Sri Lanka – the forebears of our modern indigenous.

    When the fourth wave of human migration, sea-going Europeans, arrived they largely displaced/defeated the Carpentarians’ “Third Nations”.

    An Australian indigenous cultural centre worth funding would drop the “Numbered Nations” meme entirely and focus instead on Australia’s fascinating historical facts.

    Finally, there is an implication to the term “nation” that does not appear to have been considered by racial activists – there are no “land rights” available to a conquered “nation”.

    (240 words)

  23. rickw

    I don’t understand why more hasn’t been made of the gayness of the Nazi party upper echelons.

    You don’t get the sharpest looking military uniforms in history by accident!

    A friend of mines mother was a young girl in France during WWII. The Luftwaffe commandeered their large house in the country. Her lasting impression of WWII? How magnificent and sharp the Luftwaffe guys looked in their uniforms!

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Raelene’s own pleading email to me on Thursday claiming “complete professionalism and integrity” confirms it.

    She will be under the bus, just as quickly as discovery starts and the full horror becomes clear.

    Standby.
    RA board members already preparing their “shocked and disappointed” statements when the discovery tarp is pulles back to reveal the steaming pile of shit.

  25. Empire 5:5

    For God and Country:

    Go out — carpe diem — do as Alexander the Great once claimed, “fortune favors the bold. ” The motto of the British SAS says, “Who Dares, Wins.” I will be as Teddy Roosevelt spoke of, “The Man in the Arena,” and endeavor to achieve great things, not for me, but for my country, for Texas, and for my family.

    Hey, I love y’all, seriously, even those sad pathetic souls who call themselves progressive socialists. After all, someone has to save them from themselves, poor mindless lemmings. One of my favorite maxims in life comes from US Army General Joe Stillwell, “Illegitimis Non Carborundum.”

    Yes Sir, LTG. Bedard, your favorite Army Doggie is going back into the fight!

    Steadfast and Loyal!

    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/06/lt-col-allen-west-announcement-about-my-political-future/#ixzz5sC3LuINF

  26. feelthebern

    Warning, don’t search “magda black face” on duck duck go

    Many years ago at my former place of work I was looking up couch grass.
    I thought it was spelt “cooch”.
    Whoops.

  27. feelthebern

    You don’t get the sharpest looking military uniforms in history by accident!

    The only Hugo Boss suit I owned looked great but fell apart after 6 months.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    Shorter Cameron Clyne …

    “Plea-he-he-ease.
    Make it sto-ho-ho-hop!”

  29. feelthebern

    IT, if you like Kamala Harris, do you like Marianne Williamson too?
    PS, conservative chicks are hotter than lefty chicks in real life by a factor of 10.
    PPS, Hollywood is not real life.

  30. rickw

    Many years ago at my former place of work I was looking up couch grass.
    I thought it was spelt “cooch”.
    Whoops.

    One day at work my Skype message pops up with what appeared to be a made up to the max African hooker. What the?! I’m about to get fired!! I’ve been hacked!!

    Turned out to be our actual IT support….

  31. cohenite

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3065790, posted on June 29, 2019 at 10:13 am

    Science is dead….from The Oz…

    “Indigenous arrival has no date, dons told”

    This is serious shit. Reality is literally being altered by the left. They’re redefining the climate, they tell us the RoP is a religion of peace, that gaydom is normal and of course aboriginals were here forever when in fact none of this is true. The aboriginals, the current mob, were at best third to the place, and when they got here they ate the last 2 mobs, destroyed the mega-fauna and burnt the place down.

    It seems every scrungie group of arsehole are claiming the moral high ground and lying through their teeth to justify it.

  32. feelthebern

    Mormons or JW’s just doored knocked.
    I politely said thanks no thanks.
    Then they broke my gate when they left.
    Fvckers.

  33. rickw

    The only Hugo Boss suit I owned looked great but fell apart after 6 months.

    Did they have this problem with their uniforms in Russia?! (Napoleons army and tin buttons I think?)

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    Three months to go until the RWC kickoff.

    Everything going as planned.

    What shemozzle?

    No, I don’t know what the phrase ‘all over the shop like a madwoman’s shit’ means.

  35. Empire 5:5

    Dr F, it was reported that they took out litigation insurance specific to the Folau case.
    This happened post the RA kangaroo court, pre the GFM page.

    These people are monumentally stupid. Anyone with an engaged brain of modest capacity would foresee the outcome. They must truly believe they are insulated, but they aren’t.

  36. feelthebern

    rickw, I watched a doco on the Russians uniforms in Stalingrad.
    FMD, the Germans would take the under garments off dead Russians. & their mittens.
    They wanted the whole Rusky uniform but couldn’t in fear of getting shot by their own side.

  37. feelthebern

    It was a Stalingrad doco.
    Not just on Russian uniforms.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘make it sto-ho-ho-hop!’

    ‘The government’s on our side!’

    *shit*

    ‘Did I say that out loud?’

    ‘Make it sto-ho-ho-hop!’

  39. Tel

    feelthebern #3065866,

    Many people don’t understand that Germany was under blockade for both world wars, and this was highly effective in terms of preventing them getting access to many natural resources, including warm fibers such as wool. They weren’t stupid, they were doing their best with what they had.

  40. feelthebern

    I wonder how long it will take for them to get a mediation date from the Federal court.
    It shouldn’t be too long.
    If that doesn’t work, getting an actual court date could take 6-9 months.

  41. rickw

    Herald Sun:

    Indigenous bans devastate rock climbing sports.

    Suck it up lefties!

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    Gaydolf refused to approve winter uniforms to the Krauts on the Eastern Front for the second cold season in a row. He believed they’d have rolled up Stalingrad and be down in the Caucasus oilfields by then.

    Every bit of dead Russki winter gear was worth dying for to get it. Being shot by your own team became a secondary concern.

  43. feelthebern

    I wasn’t saying they were stupid.
    The commanders who sent them sure were though.
    Or more likely mad, gay, chickenhawks.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    For God and Country

    “President Allan West” rolls off the tongue very smoothly.
    Candace can be VP.
    Bring on 2024.

  45. None

    Oh nice Cardimona: of course that was never going to get printed

  46. cuckoo

    When Magda was on Hoodoo you think you iz they pulled out a record of her Scottish grandfather doing time for theft. Like a talking socialist Barbie doll, she came out with boilerplate about cruel uncaring society forcing innocent downtrodden wurkers to crime…loaf of bread…Jean Valjean, etc. Then the host proceeded to read out the rest of the charge sheet – guy was basically just a common criminal. Magda fell strangely silent.

  47. stackja

    Tel
    #3065870, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:07 am

    In 1900s and 1930s why didn’t Germany prepare? Overestimated themselves? Underestimated others. Didn’t UK import a lot of wool?

  48. feelthebern

    The butchery of the 20th century is staggering.
    The Holocaust, Rwanda, the great leap forward, the cultural revolution, the killing fields.
    FMD, we do know how to butcher our fellow humans.

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    They had clothing drives in Germany for the men at the front.

    Punters were giving away longjohns, and chicks donated their fur coats if they had them.

    There was a German lieutenant advising with one of the weaker Romanian Army sectors of the front just before Zhukov’s great counter-offensive. He was a champion javelin guy, and was a medallist at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.

    Fat lot of good that did him against the katushyas and T34s.

  50. Roger

    These people are monumentally stupid. Anyone with an engaged brain of modest capacity would foresee the outcome. They must truly believe they are insulated, but they aren’t.

    That goes not just for RA but the whole corporate-government complex of which they are a part.

    Historian Barbara Tuchman identified three key features of elites about to fall:

    1. Obliviousness to the growing disaffection of those outside their bubble
    2. Primacy of self-aggrandisement
    3. The illusion that they are invulnerable

  51. feelthebern

    Allan West

    Yes he served.
    But he has a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock.
    Not a nice guy.

  52. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I just nod and smile. To do otherwise is ludicrous.

    Imitating the penguins in Madagascar, argue you? – ‘Smile and wave, smile and wave’

  53. Perth Trader

    Journalist..Raelene. What happened to your legs?
    Ralene..I got hit by a bus.
    Journalist..Did you report it?
    Raelene..Yup…it was rainbow coloured with Qantas stickers all over it.
    Journalist..Could you identify the driver?
    Raelene..Yup.. it was a short irish guy .

  54. feelthebern

    I always questioned the numbers in Rwanda, but FMD those guys went hard at it.

  55. Many people don’t understand that Germany was under blockade for both world wars, and this was highly effective in terms of preventing them getting access to many natural resources, including warm fibers such as wool. They weren’t stupid, they were doing their best with what they had.

    Current dunny read (memoirs of a former P.o.W.) reinforces the everyday impact of this.
    The prisoners had – due to Red Cross parcels – American Virginia tobacco, South American coffee beans, & chocolate.
    This gave them Pavlovian power over the guards (ordinary & unsophisticated squarehead working stiffs) who were several years into smoking sawdust, drinking crushed acorns & calling it “coffee”, and for whom chocolate was a distant memory.

  56. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3065723, posted on June 29, 2019 at 9:25 am
    Hairy has two mantras from his senior management career.

    1. Never put anything sensitive in emails.

    Good thing Google can’t help it self. The drones have lost the ability to communicate verbally.

  57. Roger

    The butchery of the 20th century is staggering.

    The Turks kicked it off with the Armenian and Greek genocides.

  58. feelthebern

    Rule one of the Club.
    Don’t give a shit about people with no money.
    Rule two of the Club.
    If someone does have money, make the problem go away.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    Many years ago at my former place of work I was looking up couch grass.
    I thought it was spelt “cooch”.

    A little while ago I was making a piece of furniture and I was looking for some little rounded wooden mushroom shaped dowels to cover some drilled holes.
    I googled “wooden plug buttons”.
    As someone said upthread, “Oh my lordy, lordy me!”

  60. feelthebern

    Seriously, I hope the aliens that terraformed us got their arsed kicked by a bigger, badder alien.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    The Germans didn’t need to take Stalingard. Would have been nice, but it wasn’t vital.

    They could have cut the Volga at any point 20 miles south and cut the entire southern Soviet front off from Moscow. Manstein’s Panzer Corps was already in the Crimea, and it wasn’t all that far from there to Persia.

    But no. Because the city bore Stalingrad’s name it had to be a pissing contest. 1.2 million deaths later, the Russians still had it and the biggest and best-equipped battle group the Krauts had didn’t exist any more.

  62. feelthebern

    A likely story LL..

  63. feelthebern

    KD, yesterday my youngest staff member showed up wearing a tactical turtleneck again.
    A different one.
    I’m thinking of telling him that he doesn’t have to copy me.
    But then I have delusions of an army of TT wearers working for me.
    Sigh.

  64. stackja

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3065901, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:22 am

    You know who wanted Stalingrad.

  65. feelthebern

    You know who wanted Stalingrad

    Menzies ?

  66. Empire 5:5

    feelthebern
    #3065821, posted on June 29, 2019 at 10:32 am
    I see it playing out like this.
    Izzy gets the dosh by way of settlement.
    Agrees to not play rugby in Oz again.
    Qantas extends & increases its existing sponsorship of RA to paper over any financial cracks.
    The Club pats everyone who kept their mouths shut on the back.

    I hope not. This would achieve nothing. I’ve got a feeling Izzy is going to cart the cross to the mount.

    What we need is a parallel class action by QAN securityholders. Joyboy knows how to run an airline, but be’s a graduate of the Maguire school of conflict of interest management. It was the board’s responsibility to pull his head in and tell him to quit the FagAir shit or take a bullet for his beliefs. Brand value is being trashed and the directors are asleep at the wheel.

  67. Tel

    In 1900s and 1930s why didn’t Germany prepare? Overestimated themselves? Underestimated others. Didn’t UK import a lot of wool?

    If Hitler had a realistic estimate of his own capabilities he would have said thank you for Czechoslovakia and agreed that Chamberlain was right all along.

    You can sort of understand the Germans getting caught out by bad planning the first time around … but twice?

    A lot of it comes back to 1806 and the Germans being unable to resist the temptation to stick it to the French … which they did, but inevitably overextended themselves in the process and made it clear to the world that they were the aggressors thus turning the USA against them.

    https://history.info/on-this-day/1806-napoleon-triumphantly-enters-berlin/

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    Promote that man immediately.

  69. Shy Ted

    Indigenous people regard themselves as having been here forever.
    They have and they invented everything along the way. Archaeologists may find evidence of earlier civilisations through artefacts and remains but the Ingenius people made everything from biodegradable materials which has returned to the earth, without evidence, in the fullness of time. As you trudge through the outback thinking “will the red dirt never end?” consider that you may have just stepped on the first telescope or rocket launch pad. The hollow spinifex – once fibre optic cable. Mallee stumps – foundations for wind turbines. It’s an Abfact.

  70. None

    I was waiting for Brendan O’Neill to comment on the Folau affair. He is an atheist and very pro gay rights but he is extremely pro free speech as well and has been warning about the authoritarian streak in gay politics and gay marriage agendas for years. He’s in the Oz today

  71. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Project Veritas sent a letter to several Members of Congress informing them about Project Veritas’ investigation of Google that raises some concerns regarding Google’s possible improper intervention in Federal elections which may violate laws like the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA).

  72. Leigh Lowe

    Anyway, leaving all this off-field drama, Australian rugger is going beautifully on the field.
    Oops.
    No wait.
    Oh well.
    At least sports reporters get another week to exhibit their multi-culti cred by outdoing each other in pronouncing “Jaguares” as “Hag-[guteral throat clear]-warr-rez”.

  73. Knuckle Dragger

    The Hun could see the Kremlin through their binos at the end of 1941. If they’d taken it, the Eastern Front may have turned out very differently.

    They could never have physically taken all of Russia. They could, however, have established a border from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Plenty of lebensraum for the volk.

  74. None

    Indigenous people are going the Palestinian option.

  75. stackja

    feelthebern
    #3065907, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:29 am
    You know who wanted Stalingrad

    Menzies ?

    Menzies as I remember no longer had much say in policy at the time.

  76. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Idiots.

    Everyone knows it’s ‘Jagwazz’.

  77. feelthebern

    Haven’t the “Jaguares” been top of the South African conference for weeks?
    Fun fact, it was the South African conference that wanted to get rid of the Force & the Sunwolves.

  78. Shy Ted

    The wife of Dubai’s billionaire ruler is believed to be in hiding in London after the break-up of her marriage, according to sources close to the family.
    What they gonna do? Look behind every burqa? That would take forever in London.

  79. feelthebern

    If at mediation Izzy is offered a fair chunk of change, most judges in the Federal court would look dimly on him continuing the matter, regardless of his rights.
    Keep in mind, the judges are part of the Club.

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    They could never have physically taken all of Russia. They could, however, have established a border from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Plenty of lebensraum for the volk.

    That’s my understanding, as well.

  81. egg_

    I see it playing out like this.
    Izzy gets the dosh by way of settlement.
    Agrees to not play rugby in Oz again.
    Qantas extends & increases its existing sponsorship of RA to paper over any financial cracks.
    The Club pats everyone who kept their mouths shut on the back.

    That’s how it’s usually done.
    Castle has been emotional and unprofessional in her dealings?

  82. Dr Faustus

    Dr F, it was reported that they took out litigation insurance specific to the Folau case.
    This happened post the RA kangaroo court, pre the GFM page.

    bern: There you go then – just different to my own experience.

    Litigation insurers aren’t charities; they expect to recoup cost plus risk from the plaintiff being unsuccessful and having costs awarded against. In our case they wanted to see preliminary pleadings before committing to anything – and reserved the right to withdraw if discovery showed anything adverse to the defence case.

    We self insured.

    Perhaps its different if you are RA.

  83. feelthebern

    Define fair chunk of change?
    $3-$4mill.
    If Izzy goes to the Federal court after knocking back a number like that, no matter who he gets overseeing the matter, it will be pushing shit up hill.
    It’s not about the law.
    It’s not about who is right.
    Its about ensuring the Club not only is intact, but continues to rule the roost in the manner they have become accustomed.

  84. Roger

    Anyway, leaving all this off-field drama, Australian rugger is going beautifully on the field.

    From the link:

    “Incredibly, too, it was the Brumbies’ all-Test tight-five which saved their worst match of the season for the knockout match. Folau Fainga’a’s lineout throw capitulated as he missed the mark on six occasions in the first half which will undoubtedly have sent a shiver up Wallabies coach Michael Cheika’s spine give the Brumbies hooker was primed to wear the No 2 jersey next month.”

    Must be hard for these chaps to play good rugby while under the watchful eye of the RA gaystapo.

  85. feelthebern

    Agree on all fronts Dr F.
    But you were using your money.
    RA is using other peoples money.

  86. None

    feelthebern

    #3065926, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:49 am

    Only if it was truly employment contract related that easy is arguing something else.

    You have to remember to that little Freudian slip by Nick Farr Jones that a lot of the rugby players were a bit peeved when rugby Australia came out saying they were all for pro gay marriage when they had never surveyed employees and players and so they felt they were backed into a corner of promoting something that they themselves were going to vote against. I think it’s in this context that tweet by Israel Folau was really quite significant. He was prepared to say well I love youse all but I’m voting something else. And he had every right to say that as a private citizen and he didn’t even need to make that public but he did. He was certainly prepared to put himself out there and for that he earns a lot of my respect.

  87. bespoke

    DrBeauGan
    #3065831, posted on June 29, 2019 at 10:39 am
    It’s very racist. It assumes that all aborigines are retarded children who will collapse if any of their traditional beliefs are questioned. This is insulting in the extreme.

    ‘Progressives’ think that of everybody. They came to that conclusion by studying other ‘Progressives’

  88. stackja

    Regardless of any outcome, with RA, the word Pyrrhic, comes to mind.

  89. mem

    A trip from LA to Las Vegas and back takes 8 hours by a gas-powered car but 13 hours by an electric vehicle.

    The electric vehicle grand vision may flounder on something most drivers take for granted: a quick pit stop.

    The inconvenient truth of electric vehicles is they are terribly inconvenient to own and operate. Most cars need a charge after 200 to 250 miles traveled. More here https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/electric-car-major-headache-waiting-hours-for-charging-bay-then-hrs-to-charge-NidkyH-xY0alvIoaQibQJw/
    So much for a quick trip up to Hotham for the skiing!

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s time to talk Nikki Gemmell

    The Weekend Australian Magazine
    12:00AM June 29, 2019
    36 Comments

    It feels like a shift in consciousness, a necessary shift, a wanting to talk of our past truthfully and openly. And it’s happening in places you wouldn’t quite expect. Recently I’ve travelled to regional areas — north-east Tasmania, the Darling Downs of Queensland — where so-called “quiet Australians” brought up in discussions “The Massacres”. Without prompting.

    The battles that scarred these places once. The pushback, the warriors captured, the multiple deaths, the clearances. These conversations were quite unbidden and not just directed to me, and it felt striking. These regular Australians are far removed from the shouty metropolitan Twittersphere of outrage and attack. I left both regions enlightened.

    It feels as if this stain upon our collective past is starting to be held up to a hard light by regular Australians; it’s a realisation reaching beyond indigenous activism, beyond trendy or elite circles, and it’s becoming a national conversation. Which feels necessary, suturing, for all of us.

    The writer Deborah Levy grew up in South Africa before emigrating with her family to Britain. When she was five her father was imprisoned because he was a member of the African National Congress, which was fighting for equal human rights. “White children were secretly scared of the black children,” Levy observed. “They were scared because they threw stones and did other mean things to the black children… If you do bad things to people, you do not feel safe. And if you do not feel safe, you do not feel normal.”

    Is there something off-kilter buried deep in our national psyche? The weight of past wrongs? The horror of it, whether we want to acknowledge that or not. Yet increasingly it feels like we do. This acknowledgment among regular Australians of massacres, of the Sunday shooting parties after church, of wide-scale theft of land feels like progression. In the old-fashioned, unpoliticised sense of the word.

    Anthropologist William Stanner coined the term the “great Australian silence” in his 1968 Boyer Lectures in which he spoke of our nation’s ignorance of frontier violence. I prefer to call it the Great Australian Burying. Of our corrosive past. For so long we didn’t want to know because it was too confronting, difficult, damning. And we remain the only Commonwealth country without a treaty with its First Nations people and that denial feels somehow deeply buried within our clotted psyche; our national shame.

    Recently I received this missive from Craig, a reader: “I would love to see a reconciliation approach where beside every white explorer/settler statue or memorial there was also an Aboriginal story statue or memorial, so that both histories can be recognised together. To me this would be a big but achievable and beneficial step towards improved reconciliation.” Understanding generates compassion. Compassion for change.

    From the Oz.

  91. Dr Faustus

    If Folau were insisting on vilifying, say, J.ws and the disabled, would anyone object to Rugby Australia insisting he shut up about it?

    Struggling to remember the Biblical verses that condemn the J.ws and the disabled to Hellfire.
    Probably in there somewhere by reference to the Biblical Code of Conduct.

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    If at mediation Izzy is offered a fair chunk of change, most judges in the Federal court would look dimly on him continuing the matter, regardless of his rights.

    Mediation crashed and burned yesterday. To be so black and white RA must’ve played hardball. Folau of course has a different master, and isn’t able to compromise on His instructions.

    The country’s Fair Work Commission had ordered the two sides to a closed-doors mediation hearing in a bid to avoid legal action over a dispute that has polarised Australia.

    But Folau and his camp emerged some four hours later with no settlement.

    “Very, very disappointed by the outcome today,” said the devoutly religious Folau. “I’d like to thank those who’ve supported me throughout this time. I’ll continue to stand up for the freedoms of all Australians.”

    The case is now expected to head to the Federal Court and could potentially drag on for years.

    Years of reputational damage to RA, Qantas, Clyne, Castle and Joyce. Popcorn futures are up.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d love to see snow chains on a Tesla.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Documents leaked to Project Veritas show how YouTube created a blacklist for search terms related to last year’s referendum in Ireland on the legality of abortion, confirming past reporting by Breitbart News that Google regularly manipulates its algorithms for “politically sensitive” content and employs blacklists on YouTube to manipulate video search results.

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah yes, Gemmell’s Great Australian Burial.

    Of common sense.

  96. Roger

    If at mediation Izzy is offered a fair chunk of change, most judges in the Federal court would look dimly on him continuing the matter, regardless of his rights.

    Irrelevant; it’s their job to protect his rights.

    Besides which, mediation failed yesterday.

  97. Geriatric Mayfly

    Indigenous Australians that they have always been in Australia, from the beginning of time, and came from the land’’.

    Collateral ejecta in the Big Bang.

  98. bespoke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3065927, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:49 am
    They could never have physically taken all of Russia. They could, however, have established a border from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Plenty of lebensraum for the volk.

    That’s my understanding, as well.

    Wouldn’t that take a lot of manpower and equipment.

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    Mediation failed.

    Having pumped the mortgage, power and food bills into the pokies, RA are now scratching around behind the couch for one last dollar, still hopeful of bringing off the jackpot.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

  100. Bar Beach Swimmer

    He said: “Scientists can potentially damage the standing of the elders, or the right to land claims, should our findings contradict the oral traditions.”

    Read, be vewy, vewy, quiewt: “currently fighting a case in the High Court that could present them with the entire mainland beach coastline above Broome”.

  101. feelthebern

    Besides which, mediation failed yesterday.

    Hey-Zeus.
    That was the fair work hearing.
    Often refereed to mediation.
    Because after the opening chat, the commissioner shuttles between parties who sit outside in separate rooms.

    If an outcome can not be reached at FW, it then goes to the Federal court.
    The Federal court has mandatory mediation.
    You can not even apply for a court date until mediation has been attempted.
    If mediation at the Federal court level results in no agreement, you then apply for a court date.

    FW hearing/mediation is seperate to the Federal court mandatory mediation prior to court.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘a lot of manpower and equipment’

    Yup. But between Swedish steel and Ukraine conscripts they’d be set.

    Plus, Stalin could then have looked east instead, as the Sons of Nippon had just upended their schooner on the front bar.

  103. Dr Fred Lenin

    Feelthe bern , a Russian mate told ,who lived through the siege of Leningrad as a boy ,told me the Germans sneered at the Russians for wearing felt boots and bandages intead of socks .regarding them as primitive . During their first winter they found out why, wet leather boots lead to frostbite as they never dry in the cold ,also felt boots get wet and keep the feet warm ,and its easier to dry a bandage than wet woolen socks .
    Generations of tough Russians worked out how to survive in Russia ,you woukd be foolish to ignore that .

  104. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If at mediation Izzy is offered a fair chunk of change, most judges in the Federal court would look dimly on him continuing the matter, regardless of his rights.
    Keep in mind, the judges are part of the Club.

    The lack of accountability for our judiciary means no shortage of activist judges. When the judge tell you to go negotiate, generally the contents of these are not revealed to the judge, just whether or not progress was made or not.

  105. Roger

    The Federal court has mandatory mediation.

    No, they don’t.

    Both parties have to be willing to participate and there are other legal and practical considerations as well.

  106. notafan

    Gaydolf refused to approve winter uniforms to the Krauts on the Eastern Front for the second cold season in a row. He believed they’d have rolled up Stalingrad and be down in the Caucasus oilfields by then.

    He really did study Napoleon’s campaign!

    One of the things mentioned several times by the correspondents in 1812 was that the French horses were incorrectly shod for a Russian winter, the Russians declaring that that piece of information made them certain they would win.

  107. Cassie of Sydney

    “bespoke
    #3065963, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:17 pm
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3065927, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:49 am
    They could never have physically taken all of Russia. They could, however, have established a border from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Plenty of lebensraum for the volk.

    That’s my understanding, as well.

    Wouldn’t that take a lot of manpower and equipment.”

    Well…..when the Germans invaded Russia in 1941…there is evidence that there was some sympathy for them amongst Ukrainians, Bel0russians and Russians because these people had endured years of Stalin and Communism…..remember the Holodomor. However the Germans quickly managed to squander any sympathy with their cruelty, barbarism and race laws..

  108. feelthebern

    generally the contents of these are not revealed to the judge,

    The judge will know what number was offered.
    Not as part of some bundle, but the judge will know.
    Crikey peoples, I get the impression that people here still think that justice is blind, the rule of law, property rights all still exist.
    Just ask the punters who had their houses forcibly purchased at below market prices in Sydney for the M4 east extension.

  109. twostix

    No idea why people are looking to the federal court: the bugman cathedral, for justice for an everyman.

  110. feelthebern

    No, they don’t.

    Yes they do.
    For IR issues.

  111. feelthebern

    Unless it’s an injunction.
    Then they will hear it at midnight Christmas eve.
    But this isn’t one of those.

  112. Roger

    And since this case is not purely about commercial and contractual considerations but involves human rights in law, which one of the parties appears not to recognise, it will likely go to court rather than mediation.

  113. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    No, they don’t.

    Yes they do.
    For IR issues.

    judges can order you to go negotiate at any time.

  114. Cassie of Sydney

    “Geriatric Mayfly
    #3065959, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:11 pm
    Indigenous Australians that they have always been in Australia, from the beginning of time, and came from the land’’.

    Collateral ejecta in the Big Bang.”

    They probably believe they were here before the “Big Bang”

  115. twostix

    hahah Magda sbansksisi whatever the fuck outed wearing Blackface on Twitter.

    Watching the bugman lickspittles rush to defend her is delicious. All establishments collapse under the weight of their own internal contradictions, to steal a good quote.

  116. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    No idea why people are looking to the federal court: the bugman cathedral, for justice for an everyman.

    exactly, furthermore you have to keep a careful watch on your own legal team as sometimes they will subtly signal to the judge their negative opinion of your case or worse quietly guide you into an unwinnable corner.

  117. Bruce of Newcastle

    judges can order you to go negotiate at any time.

    RA: Submit, peasant!
    IF: No.
    Case resumes.

  118. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The judge will know what number was offered.
    Not as part of some bundle, but the judge will know.

    In mediations I’ve been involved in, they were strictly without prejudice, nothing other than the agreement or lack thereof goes back to the court.

  119. feelthebern

    judges can order you to go negotiate at any time.

    Correct.

  120. Roger

    I suspect RA are being advised rather narrowly by IR lawyers, in which case they should cast their net wider.

  121. Steve trickler

    Hello, Ladies of the Cat.



  122. feelthebern

    Correct, without prejudice means exactly that.
    Without prejudice I offer you a million bucks.
    You knock that back, we head to court.
    Has zero impact on future negotiations.
    But the judge will know.
    They know everything, even shit that both parties have agreed is not on the table.
    If a judge in any jurisdiction thinks you are wasting the courts time, that you are ill prepared, or worst ever, disrespecting the judge, look out.

  123. Whalehunt fun

    Negotiating is best done from a position of power. Having possession of the other party’s family is usually considered a strong bargaining tool. I always liked the story about the young Syrian being interviewed by Jordanian Security when the phone rang and it turned out to be his mum calling to describe what Jordanian security were doing to his father. Seems he suddenly became annoying by wanting to tell them more than they wanted and tell them faster than they could write things down

  124. About a year ago, I tried to explain the problem with Aboriginal inhabitants claiming to have been here for 100k years. I may or may not have mentioned specifically the Mitochondrial Eves, however if they were alive 50K years ago, how could the locals have descended from them?
    I understood – perhaps incorrectly – that the Mitochondrial Eves were termed Homo sapiens sapiens.
    So am I mistaken? Quite possible, but there is an internal logic to the Homo sapiens sapiens. theory only if the Aboriginal inhabitants of Australia had been here only since 40K years ago. (This being the time it took them to arrive across the Asian/Australasian land bridge.)
    Can anyone enlighten me?

  125. feelthebern

    I’m watching the Louis Theroux new doco.
    On campus rape in the US.
    Long form interviews.
    No dramatisations.
    No rock bottom music.
    Very well done.

  126. notafan

    Nikki Gemmell on fire!

    She is climbing the Everest of wrongology, hoping to beat Monty to the peak.

    Your point exactly Dr Fautus

    Also what is vilifying about quoting the well known Christian belief (all) unrepentant sinners will not inherit the Kingdom?

  127. dover_beach

    If Folau were insisting on vilifying, say, J.ws and the disabled, would anyone object to Rugby Australia insisting he shut up about it?

    Expressing disapproval of a type of act is not vilification. If it were then Marr would be guilty of vilifying Folau and orthodox Christians.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    Trying to look behind Clyne’s ridiculous statements in the SMH.
    Who was he talking to, and what was he talking about?
    He certainly wasn’t trying to convince Folau.
    And he didn’t do Qantas any favours by effectively saying they had threatened to pull the plug.
    This statement clearly came as a defense to rugger supporters getting in his ear and asking him how this fuck up happened and what he was going to do to stop the bleeding.
    Like all (cough) “Great Leaders” Clyne is sitting in the driver’s cab of the wrecked train and, when asked why he drive through three red signals, he whimpers “I was just a passenger. Nothing I could do”.

  129. twostix

    Note too that when a leftwing shocktrooper is busted as a massive hypocrite (in this case wearing blackface a bunch of times) suddenly it’s all buddhist calm and “come on friends on the rightwing, we need to find a way to forgive people who have made mistakes this outrage culture is too much”.

    M0nty is exactly the same.

    The only way forward is to crush them.

  130. feelthebern

    In other IR news, one of board members who drove the sacking of the Matilda’s former coach has been found out trying to dig up dirt from a former employer.
    The FFA will be cutting a large cheque in the near future.

  131. bespoke

    Steve trickler getting in touch with his feminine side, adorable.

  132. dover_beach

    She is climbing the Everest of wrongology, hoping to beat Monty to the peak.

    Pray for her, many a fool has died trying to reach the summit.

  133. Farmer Gez

    Farmer Gez:

    A load of urea was delivered yesterday at our place John C. None after that we were told.

    Could you edumacate us on why this is happening? I would think that we all know Just-In-Time delivery, but how come the failure to produce is so far back up the chain that supplies can’t be produced in time?
    Thanx.

    I’ll ask a few blokes in the know and get back.
    I’m watching my daughter play Netball in the driving rain. She went over once and skinned the knees but didn’t come off. I’m proud of her.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3065997, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    I loved the photo of the photojournalists tying themselves in knots to take the photo of weeping AOC with the wire in frame but the absence of anything on t’other side of it kept out of the shot.

    AOC Cries Over Empty Parking Lot

  135. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3065996, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    Correct, without prejudice means exactly that.
    Without prejudice I offer you a million bucks.
    You knock that back, we head to court

    I recently tried to explain that to a young bloke involved a court dispute.
    A “without prejudice” offer is not a bankable baseline which will be the minimum you get in court.
    You could roll the dice, win the case in court but be awarded less.
    Or lose and get nothing.
    He was a bit surprised.

  136. Infidel Tiger

    With luck, at years end both Rugby Australia and Soccer will be bankrupt.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3066011, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    In other IR news, one of board members who drove the sacking of the Matilda’s former coach has been found out trying to dig up dirt from a former employer.

    Where is that reported?

  138. feelthebern

    The Tele.
    I’m reading the paper via the app.
    Can’t find it on line to link to.

  139. None

    Lee I just posted it on the sun history thread that I think line is basically saying we want this whole f****** thing to go away, we want Izzy to go away like he said he would once, we’re prepared to pay for it before it goes to court and yous can all f*** off because the gay babies have threatened us.

    On that basis easy can sue them for not providing a safe and respectful workplace because of the vilification he gets on social media.

    I go back to the original. Who snitzed to Raelene and why was her first instinct to pick up the phone to Qantas?

    Qantas is sponsorship runs out next year. How much is it still worth $6 million? I’d make an offer. Sack the board, sack Raelene, sack Qantas as a sponsor, let easy come back, and with donor’s permission donate that 3 million to rugby Australia and the public will raise the remainine sponsorship dollars. The stipulation? You can all stick to playing rugby and outsude of rugby you are free to express your own politics and religion.

  140. feelthebern

    Soccer will be bankrupt

    Always a matter of time since St Frank got the shits & pulled the plug.

  141. rickw

    Generations of tough Russians worked out how to survive in Russia ,you woukd be foolish to ignore that .

    The Finns criticise the sloppy tolerances on the Russian Mosin Nagants.

    Then when they got into combat with the Russians in -30’C conditions, they found out why.

  142. Knuckle Dragger

    Pitch report. A dead set road.

    Infield and outfield like the G.

    Batting mob chasing 310. They’ll need every run.

  143. feelthebern

    Frank Lowy really took the world cup disaster personally.
    Apart from Franz Beckenbauer, every delegate lied to him.
    Sure, as tax payers we ripped up 30-odd million on the bid.
    Not a patch on what the Lowy’s ripped up.

  144. feelthebern

    Many 7/11’s playing KD?

  145. John Constantine

    Godless commo Nazgul of yarragrad announce new reforms for local government.

    RURAL mayors have expressed concerns about a Victorian Government push towards single-councillor wards as part of a suite of municipal reforms.

    Local Government Minister Adem Somyurek has unveiled his blueprint to reform Victoria’s 79 councils, which will be put to State Parliament later this year.

    Among the proposed reforms will be a preference for single-member wards alongside plans for donation caps, mandatory candidate training and voter enrolment simplification.

    You can vote for anybody to be on local council, as long as they have been trained and assessed by godless commo handlers, and have submitted their signed resignations to be filed and used should dissent against the narrative occur.

  146. johanna

    Syrian sponger claims that $98,ooo is not enough to settle his family in Cambodia, demands more:

    A refugee who previously said Australia abandoned him in Cambodia now acknowledges he received a lump sum of $38,000 for the education and health insurance of his children, on top of $60,000 in previous payments.

    Abdullah Zalghani fled Syria with his wife and children in 2011, but left them in Lebanon while he tried to reach Australia.

    His boat from Indonesia was stopped on the way to Australia in 2013, and he was detained on Christmas Island and Nauru.

    In 2016, Mr Zalghani agreed to be resettled in Cambodia.

    In exchange he was to receive a package of cash and payments to a bank account totalling $60,000, as well as in-kind assistance, mostly provided by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM).

    His wife and four children joined him in Phnom Penh in December.

    Cambodia is one of the poorest countries on the planet. 98 grand is a king’s ransom there. You could live in luxury for years on that.

    He pissed the money away, gave some to relatives, invested in a failed business, and now wants taxpayers to cough up yet again.

    What a loser leech.

  147. notafan

    Mr Zalghani needs to get a job and or move back to Lebanon/Syria where no doubt most of that money is salted away.

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    Just one on the fielding team, and a Pom somewhere in the mix. Otherwise it’s all skippy whitefellas.

    No rangas.

  149. notafan

    That is by the way the second time ABC/SBS have run the exact same story on Mr Zalghani, the last was a few weeks ago.

  150. None

    exactly, furthermore you have to keep a careful watch on your own legal team as sometimes they will subtly signal to the judge their negative opinion of your case or worse quietly guide you into an unwinnable corner.

    Correct. Izzy did hint that all the legalese was a bit of a head spin and I think that he may be pushed down a line where he doesn’t want to go or just agree to s line that will just satisfy the lawyers’ pockets. In this sense and I never thought I would ever say this, it is good that the trust fund is being administered by the ACL because they do have a legal arm which represents people – albeit the little people – in such cases and so they would understand some of the general principles involved and point them out to Izzy even though they are not directly involved in representing him legally. Maybe. Gofundme probably did Izzy a bigger favour than just raising megabucks for him.

  151. feelthebern

    Interview with St Zali in the weekend AFR.
    I really think she is mentally challenged.
    The pic has that vacant eye look. Again.

  152. dover_beach

    I loved the photo of the photojournalists tying themselves in knots to take the photo of weeping AOC with the wire in frame but the absence of anything on t’other side of it kept out of the shot.

    Had this been a Republican it would have made our evening news, leaving aside the fact that the media would have never engaged in such hagiography of a Republican in the first place.

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    “Shy Ted
    #3065914, posted on June 29, 2019 at 11:41 am
    Indigenous people regard themselves as having been here forever.
    They have and they invented everything along the way.”

    Yes…that’s right..Aborigines invented boomerangs…even though the oldest boomerang on the planet was found in what is now Poland…..bloody pesky Slavs. Or unless Aborigines built a boat and sailed to Northern Europe…an amazing feat considering that they didn’t even possess the technology to build a boat to paddle/sail from what is now Perth to Rottnest Island.

    Soon they’ll be credited with inventing space rockets.

  154. max

    What lies behind the way Xi cold-shouldered Morrison yesterday ?

    Is it what Morrison said when touring the Pacific islands ? Is it Huawei ? Did we not grovel enough during the Sydney Harbour stopover ? It was an extraordinary display of Chinese arrogance.

  155. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3066019, posted on June 29, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    With luck, at years end both Rugby Australia and Soccer will be bankrupt.

    This where we need to adopt lefty tactics and get out ahead of it.
    Bombard MPs, Senators and Ministers with emails asking …
    1. Did any Minister, government MP or bureacrat tell RA that funding was under threat if they didn’t discipline Folau?
    2. Can they provide explicit undertakings that there will be no additional funding for laydees soccer after the board defamed their coach and for RA to defend the Folau action.
    Let them know that backing these fuckwits is not free of political risk.

  156. John Constantine

    “The importers don’t like to order more fertiliser when their sheds are still full, whether that be a phosphorus or nitrogen fertiliser, so they have held off on orders until later, which has led to the current situation.

    “Where you might normally have urea orders on the water in March, this year it was late April or even early May before the interest was enough to justify more orders.

    “You’ve then got the eight weeks or so lag time on the water before the product arrives and that is where we find ourselves at the moment, just in a little bit of limbo while we wait for shipments to arrive.”

    Reports are that the just in time supply chain was trickling as required into south east australia, but that the big rains in west australia saw the ships diverted to WA for quicker turnaround, and the eight week shipment time means that east australia runs out and waits for ships.

    The panic buying and hoarding when the shortage was hinted at emptied the storages rapidly, giving us a real life example of how fast diesel will run out in a supply chain interuption.

    https://www.farmonline.com.au/story/6226072/big-turnaround-leads-to-urea-shortages/

  157. duncanm

    “Stalingrad” by Antony Beevor is an excellent read for those interested in the historical details.

  158. John Constantine

    The simple life is to sow vetch pastures for lamb finishing and to grow your own nitrogen bank account.

    Just a bit harder to work in.

  159. John Constantine

    Sold some crossbred wool recently, low yield [ 50%] broad micron [29].

    Made half what similar stuff sold during the short lived peak a few months ago.

    Chicom buyers resumed market dominance.

    Waiting for the Tyrant for life to choke the feed grain market once he hasn’t as many pigs to feed.

  160. Knuckle Dragger:

    They could never have physically taken all of Russia. They could, however, have established a border from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Plenty of lebensraum for the volk.

    Stop at the borders of White Russia/Ukraine/the baltic states. I think the world doesn’t understand just how much hatred the Ukrainians had for the Russians.
    Allow them to raise their own armies to defend themselves and bolster their defences with thirty Mechanised/Motorised/Panzer divisions.
    But that would have necessitated Nazis not acting like Nazis.

  161. twostix

    If I were a poof I’d be worried watching my patrons on the bugman political left, without so much as a word of explanation go from raging anti-corporate fanatics, to corporate lickspittles.

    Similar to how Bolsheviks went from homo and tranny emancipating libertines to homo-imprisoning Stalinists in the blink of an eye!

    In the words of the marxist.org:

    The 1920s saw a process of gradual bureaucratisation

    It was literally a one-sided civil war, with the bureaucracy having in its hands all the means to physically eliminate the defenceless oppositionists.

    All of this was depicted as a struggle against bourgeois counter-revolution. But this was just a means of covering up what they were really doing. In the process of degeneration, a privileged bureaucracy had risen above the workers. While still defending the state-owned planned economy, the bureaucracy snuffed out all elements of the genuine workers’ democracy that had prevailed in the early years of the revolution.

    In these conditions no critical thought was allowed. To allow such thinking would have meant a defence of workers’ democracy, something the bureaucracy could not tolerate. Had the workers had the power to elect their officials with the right of recall and to impose workers’ wages on those same officials, the bureaucracy as a privileged caste would have been endangered. The bureaucracy created an atmosphere where supposed counter-revolutionaries were to be found in every corner of Soviet society.

    Krylenko, People’s Commissar of Justice, in 1936, felt the need to explain the real nature of the new law. At a meeting of the Central Executive Committee he explained that homosexuals were class enemies and criminals.

    They are describing the rise of the Soviet era urban bugman class.

    So I predict this: within 15 years the bugman managerial bureaucratic state, having successfully triumphed over the old reactionary forces of Christianity and crushed the last vestiges of solidarity between anglo aussies, will have declared homosexuality a public health issue and be running “nudge” campaigns against it – claiming it an expensive and troublesome practice engaged in by trouble making people.

  162. Wow, urea has another use – who knew?
    It is used for quickly chilling stubbies when you’re on the street outside the pub, & someone’s got a hot six-pack behind the seat of their Landrover.

    The only other use I knew of (& why it is in the back of a few Landrovers) is the blokes on rough country mix it with molasses & feed it to cattle, so the cattle will browse.

    It’s a fertiliser also?

  163. Leigh Lowe

    In other brain dead sports reporting on Sky:-

    Ash Barty Handed Horror Draw for Wimbledon

    Or, put another way:-

    World No 1 will have to beat some really, really good players to win Grand Slam

  164. egg_

    She is climbing the Everest of wrongology, hoping to beat Monty to the peak.

    No contest – M0nster seems to have a Wrongology compass.

  165. egg_

    Ash Barty Handed Horror Draw for Wimbledon

    Wymminses don’t like (stiff) competition?

  166. notafan

    Good

    More please

    In 2017, Brebeuf discovered that one of its teachers had entered a same-sex “marriage.” After learning of this, Archbishop Thompson requested that the school conform to canon law by including in its employment contracts a clause requiring teachers to live according to Catholic teaching. The school, run by the Midwest Province of Jesuits, subsequently refused to include such a clause. Thompson has now declared that the school “can no longer use the name Catholic and will no longer be identified or recognized as a Catholic institution by the Archdiocese of Indianapolis.” By refusing to honor the archbishop’s request, Brebeuf High School has chosen to place itself outside of full communion with the Church.

    COMMUNION AND ECCLESIAL GOVERNANCE

  167. notafan

    But communion is not established merely by the self-identification of the believer.

    exactly

  168. Some History

    The Tears of a Clown video upthread. Paul Joseph Watson on [the clown] AOC.

    It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so serious. No. It was hilarious, too. Couldn’t stop laughing at the narcissistic stupidity.

  169. egg_

    urea has another use

    AdBlue for diesel exhaust treatment.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    Wymminses don’t like (stiff) competition?

    As far as I can tell, she isn’t sooking.
    What a joke.
    They are even talking about tough quarter-final and semi-final matches.
    FFS, it should be tough in the last eight.
    Of course, the flip-side story might be, if Barty has got all the top players in her side of the draw, and Serena Williams is in the other side of the draw, have they stacked the draw to get the Whingeing Flab Queen into the semis?

  171. Tel

    twostix #3066059,

    That Marxist site is full of liars. Here’s the quote:

    The 1920s saw a process of gradual bureaucratisation. It was the Left Opposition led by Leon Trotsky that fought to stop this. By the 1930s the Stalinist bureaucracy had a full grip on power and the political counter-revolution was complete. In the process, starting in the late 1920s and all through the 1930s, tens-of-thousands of genuine Bolsheviks were arrested on trumped-up charges, dragged to the gulags and made to work in the most terrible conditions until they literally dropped dead.

    The Bolsheviks took power by FORCE not by democratic means during the October Revolution, and it was Leon Trotsky himself who kicked out the Mensheviks and other independents, thus depriving them of their democratic voice in governance. Those guys spend their lives trying to whitewash the past … they are full of shit. The Red Terror was full force Bolshevik repression of any opposing view, and it started in 1918 at the soonest possible opportunity they had to start kicking heads.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    There probably was gradual bureaucratisation afterwards, but the violence was there right from day one and Trotsky happily justified it, the quotes are on Wikipedia.

  172. None:

    I’d make an offer. Sack the board, sack Raelene, sack Qantas as a sponsor, let easy come back, and with donor’s permission donate that 3 million to rugby Australia and the public will raise the remainine sponsorship dollars.

    Stuff ’em all with a rusty star picket – give the remainder money to Bernard Gaynor who is on the bones of his arse, having lost damn near everything because of a gay activist who continues to sue him with assistance from the NSW government even though they’ve been told to stop it by the High Court. He’s got tens of thousands of dollars worth of bills coming in and with no funds to pay them.
    I can’t find the link Tinta gave me last night – perhaps she can help us out again?
    And thanks to all those who made donations to a bloody worthy cause.

  173. Eyrie

    “exactly, furthermore you have to keep a careful watch on your own legal team as sometimes they will subtly signal to the judge their negative opinion of your case or worse quietly guide you into an unwinnable corner.”
    My impression is that all these things are decided by the club long before the matter ever sees the inside of a courtroom. That is just for show.

  174. egg_

    So I predict this: within 15 years the bugman managerial bureaucratic state, having successfully triumphed over the old reactionary forces of Christianity and crushed the last vestiges of solidarity between anglo aussies, will have declared homosexuality a public health issue and be running “nudge” campaigns against it – claiming it an expensive and troublesome practice engaged in by trouble making people.

    In league with Muesli philosophy.

  175. Nick

    2. Can they provide explicit undertakings that there will be no additional funding for laydees soccer after the board defamed their coach and for RA to defend the Folau action.

    If Stajcic receives any compensation for being slandered by the labia mafia, I’ll await tweets and calls that such a payment takes money away from girls’ sport. Crickets.

  176. rickw

    urea has another use

    AdBlue for diesel exhaust treatment.

    Phenomenally good at stopping gas turbines as well. One lug head in Canada recently put AdBlue in the Fuels System Icing Inhibitor tank on a piece of aircraft refueling equipment. Caused almost 100% in flight engine failures at a very low treat rate.

  177. johanna

    More proof that the Woke Generation is irredeemably ignorant of anything that happened since they were teenagers. The great Bill Nighy, whose credits stretch back decades in film and TV, is shooting a fillum in Broken Hill. The giggling Gerties who wrote this piece describe him thus:

    The Love Actually star is in the far-west of New South Wales filming on Eldee Station, a sprawling rural property that boasts hills, goats and livestock, about 60km from Broken Hill.

    The actor has appeared in a number of well-known films including The Boat that Rocked, Pirates of the Caribbean and Underworld.

    They are too lazy to even call up IMDB, which lists Nighy’s distinguished career spanning decades. They just write for the goldfish under 30s.

    These lazy slobs earn very good money, our money, for this trash. How hard is it to be a vaguely competent entertainment reporter? All you need is a computer and google/wikipedia, but research, sheemearch, worse than mediocrity is all good on TheirABC gravy train.

  178. dover_beach

    In 2017, Brebeuf discovered that one of its teachers had entered a same-sex “marriage.” After learning of this, Archbishop Thompson requested that the school conform to canon law by including in its employment contracts a clause requiring teachers to live according to Catholic teaching. The school, run by the Midwest Province of Jesuits, subsequently refused to include such a clause. Thompson has now declared that the school “can no longer use the name Catholic and will no longer be identified or recognized as a Catholic institution by the Archdiocese of Indianapolis.” By refusing to honor the archbishop’s request, Brebeuf High School has chosen to place itself outside of full communion with the Church.

    Bravo. More please.

  179. rickw

    What lies behind the way Xi cold-shouldered Morrison yesterday ?

    Is it what Morrison said when touring the Pacific islands ? Is it Huawei ? Did we not grovel enough during the Sydney Harbour stopover ? It was an extraordinary display of Chinese arrogance.

    ScoMo must have accidentally done something right by Australians to get cold shouldered by that prick.

  180. dover_beach

    More proof that the Woke Generation is irredeemably ignorant of anything that happened since they were teenagers.

    If you listen or read the Woke Generation you will find that their use of ‘modern’ effectively means anything post-1999. I’m still not sure of how they now describe the 1900s but it isn’t ‘modern’.

  181. Max;

    What lies behind the way Xi cold-shouldered Morrison yesterday ?

    I missed that – give us the guts of it.

  182. twostix

    Of course tel, marxists don’t face up to anything in their own history properly because they’re all retarded children larping at being serious actors.

    Nevertheless, the people who became bureaucrats in the environment as it was in the late 1920’s, the type of people who were and are drawn to work in bureaucracies – whose vast support was necessary to run the enormous Soviet bureacratic apparatus were the same people who today become corporate bugmen. That is, the retarded children of the urban professional middle class and class traitors aka working class people who get a leg up then try and win favour with their middle class office colleagues by being super woke.

    They don’t give a shit about religion or speech or workers democracy or fag rights or any such nonsense in and of those things themselves. What they want is material comfort, a sense of power, a sense of class solidarity, and to feel like they are in the good graces of a powerful elite ruling class.

    They will never accept the proles having power over them, and use any means necessary to stave them off. Likewise they will do whatever they are to told do by their beloved ruling class. And by 1930 the Soviet ruling class wanted wanted production, efficiency and an increase in birth rates at all costs. So their use for poofs and tranny’s as cultural wedges were gone.

    Plus normal people were exhausted by the stench of libertine degenerate corruption, crime and filth from the 1910’s-1920’s. This was the whole western world over, mind, just magnified in the SU by the bolshevik idiocy.

  183. Dr Fred Lenin

    Socrates,when /i grew a lot of vegetables I used to use urea instead of sulphate of ammonia for leaf growth on tomatoes capsicums eggplant chilli,to get a strong healthy plant then suphate of potash to encourage flowering and thus fruit ,has to be used in a weak solution as it burns if strong . Grew the best lettuce and cabbages ,quickly ,used to sell 2 kilo kettuces you could slice on a hand slicer they were so firm ,caterers loved them . Ammonium sulphate was used on racecourse turf ,but dont put it near diesel it make a bomb , the IRA used it with a detonator ,very dicey and volatile a few of the Boyos went to hell quickly messing with it .

  184. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3066065, posted on June 29, 2019 at 1:40 pm”

    Agree….good.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    38 Flanneries across the Plains of Sodom so far. Gardening cancelled. The alternatives are stark reminders of my bone idle ways. Sort the sock drawer? Scour out the oven? Wrestle to the death with bacteria in the toilet bowl? Vacuuming is the current source of my joy and rapture, from which I am taking one of many intermissions as more Flanneries threaten.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    If Stajcic receives any compensation for being slandered by the labia mafia, I’ll await tweets and calls that such a payment takes money away from girls’ sport. Crickets.

    It is always a win-win.
    If they do well, that is vindication of the funding tipped in (but need more $$$ to stay on top).
    If they get bounced out in the qualifiers, well that is the case for extra funding.

    If they fuck up and piss away money through malice or incompetence, please send more money, or else grass-roots players will cop it.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Esperance ‘dealer swallowed meth stash to avoid police’ in Kalgoorlie
    Josh Zimmerman
    PerthNow
    June 29, 2019 8:50AM
    Josh Zimmerman
    WA News

    An alleged Esperance drug dealer attempted to swallow some of his methamphetamine stash in a desperate bid to avoid arrest.

    Around 10.10am on Thursday the 34-year-old man was stopped by police on Hannan Street in Kalgoorlie.

    He was identified through a joint operation between Esperance and Kalgoorlie detectives.

    Police say the man was in possession of a meth, some of which he attempted to swallow.

    He was arrested and charged with several drug offences, as well as attempting to destroy evidence and obstructing police.

    The man is due to appear in Esperance Magistrates Court on July 9.

    Some people really do add new dimensions to the word “Fvckwit”, don’t they?

  188. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #3066095, posted on June 29, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    38 Flanneries across the Plains of Sodom so far. Gardening cancelled.

    Mmmyes.
    Judging by the riverlets in my driveway, the driest winter evah appears to be a bust.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    … the IRA used it with a detonator ,very dicey and volatile a few of the Boyos went to hell quickly messing with it .

    IRA boys gone to Hell, you say?
    Is there no end to this homophobia?

  190. Nick

    It is always a win-win.
    If they do well, that is vindication of the funding tipped in (but need more $$$ to stay on top).
    If they get bounced out in the qualifiers, well that is the case for extra funding.

    Lol. It’s true. The Cat should have a compendium of such wisdom

  191. Dr Fred Lenin
    #3066092, posted on June 29, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    Thank you very much for that. Info now is filed away for future use.

  192. Mitch:
    About that Fisetin Flavonids stuff you were on about yesterday – I checked a couple of online chemists to see if it was available, but it doesn’t seem to be on sale yet.
    Do you have a supplier for it?
    Reckon it improves the memory and stuff – gimme some of that shit.

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    Maddy on MSNBC a bit like Plibbers on the ABC. Totally predictable.

    Friday on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said she was appalled by President Donald Trump smirking while telling Russia’s President Vladimir Putin “don’t meddle in the election” at the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

  194. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    … the IRA used it with a detonator ,very dicey and volatile a few of the Boyos went to hell quickly messing with it .

    Story goes that one of the Boyos was mixing up a batch of the stuff, on his concrete garage floor….using a metal shovel….one stray spark set the lot off….

  195. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Mitch:
    About that Fisetin Flavonids stuff you were on about yesterday – I checked a couple of online chemists to see if it was available, but it doesn’t seem to be on sale yet.
    Do you have a supplier for it?
    Reckon it improves the memory and stuff – gimme some of that shit.

    iherb has it. check the side effects before use

  196. John Constantine

    Fisetin appears about as effective in mice as any of the current top senolytics, such as the chemotherapeutics dasatinib and navitoclax. Per the data in the open access paper below, dosing with fisetin destroys 25-50% of senescent cells depending on organ and method of measurement. The dose level is large in absolute terms, as one might expect for a flavonoid. For aged mice and a one-time treatment, the researchers used 100 mg/kg daily for five days. The usual approach to scale up estimated doses from mouse studies to initial human trials leads to 500 mg per day for five days for a 60kg human.

    https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2018/10/animal-data-shows-fisetin-to-be-a-surprisingly-effective-senolytic/

  197. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ignore that link wrong one

  198. P

    Newsweekly NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    A Q&A to clarify issues in Cardinal Pell’s appeal
    by Robin Speed
    News Weekly, June 29, 2019

    Nothing new here but facts of Pell’s appeal enumerated simply and clearly.

  199. Perth Trader

    Ammonium sulphate….Toll Transport put 70 tonne in trucks and truck it from Kwinana sth of Perth to the iron ore mines in the north. I’ve often wondered what sort of bang theyed make if the collided with a roadtrain of fuel.

  200. Zippy:
    I think I’ll give it a miss, thanks.

  201. iggie

    Cardimona

    ‘Clark, building on the work of Joseph Birdsell and Norman Tindale, notes the first humans (so, “First Nations”) were the Negritoes, who were from south-east Asia and are now considered extinct.’
    https://ancestortrilogy.wordpress.com/2015/07/25/the-little-people-of-kuranda/
    Probably these were the Negritoes. Mitchell also relates that Aborigines talked about a ‘little people’ in the hills north of present-day Tamworth.

  202. max

    Winston, there was an awkward moment at the group photo of the G20 leaders when leaders were glad handing each other after the pic had been taken. Morrison half turned as Xi went past and shaped up for a handshake but Xi pushed past, stony-faced. Scomo’s grin faded and it was all a bit embarrassing.

  203. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Update on World War 3.

    https://www.qimrberghofer.edu.au/2019/02/delivering-snapshot-six/

    Together with Chinese scientists, we designed tiny nanorobots made of DNA and protein that can be targeted directly at tumours to stop them growing.

    Or targeted at any other tissue type, presumably.
    WW3 will be fought against Chinese bioterminators.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    Many here have raised the nebulous nature of the RA “Code of Conduct”.
    The planted snippets imply that the Vicar “warned” Issy.
    I have seen Vicar types before. I will bet her fireside chat “warning” (if it ever happened) lacked eye-contact and waffled on about “rugby’s good name” and “not doing anything to embarrass RA.”
    Issy nods, not thinking for a moment that quoting the Bible could ever be embarrassing to anybody.
    Quite apart from why he was singled out among all of the others who have screwed up, this would come down to “he said/she said”, with the Vicar mumbling and bumbling and the devout Christian firmly recounting his story after swearing on the Bible.
    How will that look?
    If the Code of Conduct thing falls over, where do sporting codes go then?
    Will they write ever more onerous codes?
    Will they apply codes which apply while the players are “on the clock” and wearing the colours, and tell sponsors they don’t own employees?

  205. Boambee John

    Perth Trader

    There was an old b and w movie I saw in my distant youth. The story was four drivers hired to take two truckloads of nitroglycerine to the scene of an oil well leak, to plug the hole.

    One truck got through.

    The Wages of Fear.

  206. Perth Trader

    Boambee….I remember that movie….Bogart , I’m sure was in it.

  207. John Constantine

    Flavonoids are bioactive compounds found in foods such as tea, red wine, fruits and vegetables. Higher intakes of specific flavonoids, and flavonoid-rich foods, have been linked to reduced mortality from specific vascular diseases and cancers. However, the importance of flavonoid-rich foods, and flavonoids, in preventing all-cause mortality remains uncertain. As such, we examined the association of intake of flavonoid-rich foods and flavonoids with subsequent mortality among 93 145 young and middle-aged women in the Nurses’ Health Study II. During 1 838 946 person-years of follow-up, 1808 participants died. When compared with non-consumers, frequent consumers of red wine, tea, peppers, blueberries and strawberries were at reduced risk of all-cause mortality (P<0·05), with the strongest associations observed for red wine and tea; multivariable-adjusted hazard ratios 0·60 (95 % CI 0·49, 0·74) and 0·73 (95 % CI 0·65, 0·83), respectively. Conversely, frequent grapefruit consumers were at increased risk of all-cause mortality,

    Slowly put down that grapefruit and back away from it.

  208. Perth Trader

    ‘The world has changed’: Skimpies banned at Kalgoorlie Diggers and Dealers Mining Forum….This has gone to far

  209. Perth Trader

    First they didn’t let women into the pub at all.

    Then they let them in as long as they took their clothes off……yeah, so.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    Ha, ha Boambee.
    Yes, nitroglycerin was the tension builder of choice in 1960’s TV thrillers.
    Mission Impossible went there more than once.

  211. Mitch M.

    Fisetin appears about as effective in mice as any of the current top senolytics, such as the chemotherapeutics dasatinib and navitoclax. Per the data in the open access paper below, dosing with fisetin destroys 25-50% of senescent cells depending on organ and method of measurement. The dose level is large in absolute terms, as one might expect for a flavonoid. For aged mice and a one-time treatment, the researchers used 100 mg/kg daily for five days. The usual approach to scale up estimated doses from mouse studies to initial human trials leads to 500 mg per day for five days for a 60kg human.

    to initial human trials leads to 500 mg per day for five days for a 60kg human.​

    ​https://au.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best-Fisetin-with-Novusetin-100-mg-30-Veggie-Caps/43592​

    ​100mg tablets, need 5-8 per day, 30 caps, that’s 6 days worth for AUD$24.96! Better off dead.

    There is a catch with this. Different types of senolytic cells respond to different interventions. In humans the principal senolytic cells are often fat cells. If Fisetin has no impact on those forget it.

  212. johanna

    We could use some Flanneries here in Queanbeyan, it’s been dry as a dingo’s donger for weeks. The BOM promises, but rarely delivers. If only they used the money wasted on climate alarmism to, you know, actually do weather stuff.

    They promise rain today, and the barometer is dropping, but from a high I’ve rarely seen. Perhaps Bruce of Newcastle can explain. We’ve had glorious days of 16 and 17C, most unusual in June. I’m not complaining!

    Today, the days are one minute longer than the pits of the winter minmum here. It may not seem like much, but for a weather and plant nerd like me it matters. From now on, everything is on the up and up, even though it will get colder.

    At my old shack in Narrabundah, there were a couple of plants that immediately reacted to the solstice by beginning to form buds. What we don’t know about the natural world is infinite.

    It’s clouding over, but the last few times it has meant a brief shower or two. Please let us get a drenching – it is much needed.

    Queanbeyan, ably represented by Deputy Premier John Barilo, provides the best aspects of the Canberra lifestyle at half of the cost. Most of the riverside is parkland, and unlike Canberra there is genuine heritage dating back to the 1830s.

    That said, it is the mobility scooter capital of NSW, since it is relatively cheap but with access to good healthcare. And if you want landwhales with stretching tatts, this is your town, although Blacktown is worse. It is still mostly European, thanks to the old Aussies and migrants who came for the Snowy scheme. Lots of Poles, Ukranians and so on in the older generation.

    There is a girl I’ve seen a few times outside the supermarket – an Islander and athlete, with thighs like a female Izzy. Always wears sports clothes, always with friends. I hope she goes far.

    There are lots of Indians, but they are a very mixed bunch. Some are Sikhs, who are perfectly fine, some are from other sects that I don’t know about, and a few are Moozies who are obnoxious. I have encountered the obnoxious variety when catching taxis. They regard taking instructions from a woman as haram. I snookered one of them who refused to drive up to my door by telling him that he would instead have to carry my bags. Deeply offended, he drove up to my door. I mean, carrying a woman’s bags? He would surely go to hell.

    Nyuk, nyuk.

  213. Mitch M.

    Cannabidiol is a Powerful New Antibiotic

    New research has found that Cannnabidiol is active against Gram-positive bacteria, including those responsible for many serious infections (such as Staphyloccocus aureus and Streptococcus pneumoniae), with a potency similar to that of established antibiotics such as vancomycin or daptomycin. The research is presented at ASM Microbe, the annual meeting of the American Society for Microbiology.

  214. johanna

    Anything that works against Golden Staph is welcome, Mitch.

    One of my oldest friends went into hospital in Canberra for routine knee surgery, and came out with Golden Staph. He was crippled. It ruined his career and his private life.

  215. None

    O’Neill ( click on the link in the Australian’s Twitter feed to get access to the article):

    BRENDAN O’NEILL

    12:00AM JUNE 29, 2019

    The take-home message of the Israel Folau scandal is as clear as it is terrifying: Christians are no longer welcome in public life.

    If you adhere to core Christian beliefs about sin, hell and damnation, you will be purged from polite society.

    If you think St Paul was right to argue in his Epistle to the Romans that it is sinful for men to neglect “the natural use of the female” and instead to become “inflamed by their lust for one another”, you will be cast out of the community. If you agree with the word of God — that man “shall not lie with mankind as with womankind”, as Leviticus puts it — you will be branded a moral transgressor.

    The irony is almost too much to bear: critics of Christianity now use the tactics Christianity itself once used in its darker moments in history. They demonise certain ideas as heretical, rage against those who holds these ideas and subject these sinful creatures to a PC inquisition.

    “Are you now or have you ever been an adherent to the Bible’s beliefs on homosexuality…?”

    Answer yes and you’re out, packed off to the moral wilderness, with a metaphorical placard saying “homophobe” — a modern word for evil — hanging around your neck.

    Folau’s crime, his sin against political correctness, is to believe that people who have gay sex are destined for hell.

    He expressed this belief in a meme he shared on his Instagram page, which said “hell awaits” certain wicked people, including drunks, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, idolaters and homosexuals.

    As an atheist who has engaged in boozing, fornication and idolatry at various times in his life, I guess I’d better prep for an eternity of fire and torture. I don’t share Folau’s beliefs. I was brought up a Catholic, so I know there are many people who genuinely believe homosexuality is a sin. But I’m a lapsed Catholic now, and godless too, and it bothers me not one iota who people choose to have sexual intercourse with. Knock yourselves out. Wear a condom!

    Yet I find the persecution of Folau repulsive and an alarming sign of the times.

    It demonstrates how far PC intolerance has gone and how thoroughly anyone who doesn’t slavishly subscribe to contemporary orthodoxy can expect to be punished.

    It doesn’t matter if you are a Christian or an atheist, straight or gay, uptight about sex or a cheerleader for sexual debauchery — you should still be deeply concerned that a man can be persecuted simply for what he believes, for the convictions that reside in his head and his heart.

    Persecution is not too strong a word for it. The dictionary definition of persecution is “hostility or ill-treatment” especially because of one’s “race or political or religious beliefs”.

    This aptly describes what Folau has faced. He has had hostility heaped upon him because of his religious beliefs. He has been ill-treated because of his faith.

    First, in April, he was dumped by the rugby world. Rugby Australia and NSW Rugby — which oversees the team Folau played for, the Waratahs — issued a joint statement announcing the termination of his contract.

    The statement was perverse. It will surely be studied by future generations who want to understand the moral contortionism of the early years of the 21st century. 
    It claimed Rugby Australia is keen to create an environment in which everyone can feel “safe and welcome” and in which there is “no vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality”. And so, because of his Instagram post, Folau had to be cast out.

    It is testament to the blinkered arrogance of political correctness, and of those who do its bidding, that these people could not see the profound moral contradiction at the heart of their chilling statement. In the name of preventing “vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality”, they vilified Folau on the basis of his religion. In the name of creating a safe environment where everyone can feel “welcome”, they made it clear that Folau — because of his religion — is not welcome.

    This Orwellian statement translates as follows: “We will not tolerate vilification on the basis of religion — unless your religion is traditional Christianity, in which case we will vilify you. And we are welcoming of everyone — except people who believe the words of the Bible, whom we will sack and shame.”

    This repugnant statement summed up what is the first and last commandment of the ideology of political correctness: “We love and accept everyone. Except anyone we disagree with. We hate those people and we will destroy them.”

    Authoritarianism dressed up as acceptance. Intolerance under the guise of tolerance. This is the Newspeak of the PC era, and it is horrifying.

    Even worse, Folau’s opponents then sought to make it more difficult for him to defend himself. The sports world effectively made him a moral reprobate; then the capitalist class decided he should not be allowed to raise money for his own defence in his case of unlawful termination against Rugby Australia.

    GoFundMe Australia shut down his fundraising page. It did so because we do not “tolerate the promotion of discrimination or exclusion”, it said.

    Again with the Orwellianism. We do not tolerate discrimination or exclusion, so we will discriminate against a biblical Christian and exclude him from our services — that is essentially what GoFundMe is saying. Shameless self-contradiction.

    Thankfully, the Australian Christian Lobby stepped in, keeping open the possibility of charity for Folau after others almost closed that possibility down. It is testament to the strength of feeling around this issue that the ACL raised $2 million in the first day. Huge numbers of ordinary Aussies clearly want to take a stand for religious freedom and freedom of speech — good on ’em.

    This terrible spectacle, this hounding of one man over his beliefs, reveals so much about the culture wars of the early 21st century.

    First, it confirms that PC is the new religion. Political correctness now does what pointy-hatted priests used to do: seeks out thought criminals and moral transgressors and punishes them for their wicked beliefs.

    No, nobody has been burned at the stake. Folau’s life is not at risk. But there is nonetheless an inquisitorial feeling to the witch-hunting of this rugby player whose only offence is that he thinks differently from the PC crowd.

    The second thing revealed by this hounding is that the left will turn a blind eye to the use and abuse of capitalist power if it serves their purposes. So, just as leftists have cheered Silicon Valley oligarchs as they have expelled from social media anyone who has an anti-PC point of view, so they have applauded GoFundMe’s shunning of Folau. It’s a private company, they say, and private companies can decide for themselves who to host and who to ban.

    Let’s break this down: what they’re really saying is that the speech rights of a “horrible” Christian come a poor second to the property rights of corporations. So, all their anti-capitalist bluster is stuff and nonsense. When push comes to shove, they will back the internet elites and online Big Business over those who they deem to be morally wicked.

    This is a celebration of corporate power over individual speech rights. That’s the kind of thing you would expect from the libertarian right, but not from the supposedly socially conscious left.

    And the third thing confirmed by this dispiriting affair is that Christianity is one religion it is acceptable to mock and persecute these days.

    If you were to criticise Islam, you would be branded an “Islamophobe”. You would be accused of stirring up racist sentiment. You would be denounced and harassed and censured.

    Yet the Koran also attacks homosexuality. It says any man who “practises your lusts on men” deserves to be driven “out of your city”. They should be visited by a “shower of brimstone” — that is, kill them.

    I find these views of homosexuals as dreadful as the Leviticus view. But I support the right of Muslims and Christians alike to hold these views and to think that men who lie with men will be punished in the afterlife.

    When did we forget this key principle of civilised, enlightened, democratic society — that people should be free to hold even difficult and disagreeable views, and should never be punished for what they think?

    Folau should be free to think and say whatever he likes, and he should face no sanction whatsoever

  216. Mitch M.

    Dr Gabor Maté On Childhood Trauma, The Real Cause Of Anxiety And Our ‘Insane’ Culture

    There is something to this. It is easy to just blame snowflakes for lacking resilience etc but ignoring environmental and developmental issues in relation to psychopathology is typical of idiots.

  217. None

    O’Neill in the Australian. Click the link on the Australian’s Twitter feed to get access to the article.

  218. None

    Winston. Agree Bernard is worthy of support and I also recommend writing to the New South Wales government – Premier and attorney general
    -and demanding action and an end to the secrecy. I’m pleased Mark Latham has taken up the case but I also posted the link to the answer he got when you ask them questions. That sort of secrecy and bunker mentality can only be broken up by massive public backlash and continual exposure in the public sphere.

  219. P

    Yes, nitroglycerin was the tension builder of choice in 1960’s TV thrillers.
    Mission Impossible went there more than once.

    It was a great series. Who could forget the theme music.

  220. Bruce of Newcastle

    Johanna- The BoM computer model map is always good to check out. Click the days or hours or press the run button.

    You look like getting a drink tomorrow, but nothing after that.

  221. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez, John Con,

    I wonder if the constant bleating about El Niño from the BOM since the start of the year was factored into strategic ordering?
    WA was always going to get a break.
    Call me cynical.

  222. johanna

    When Big Sis many many years ago now told me of these airline clubs and how, given she had just in her particular medical capacity joined the greasy pole of the Canberra bureaucracy at an airline club level, I thought they were the silliest things I had ever heard of and wondered why they were such an important part of a reward package. Then I met Da Hairy Ape and found out that in certain circles if you didn’t belong to them then you basically didn’t exist, with the Chairman’s Lounge at the Apex. Proliferation of such clubs has lessened the sting of membership refusal, although it is still there.

    Worse than Google or YouTube in terms of extreme social control. Alan Joyce knows it too.

    Airhead Lizzie imagines that access to airport lounges is worse than what Google does.

    She needs to stop sniffing the gas from the leaking implants.

  223. Cactus

    What is the ban on skimpies at diggers and dealers about? The 2 pubs are private companies seperate from the conference. Are they voluntarily not putting skimpies on during the conference? Worlds gone mad.

  224. Mitch M.

    Statins may double the risk of type 2 diabetes

    Statin use and risk of developing diabetes: results from the Diabetes Prevention Program

    Conclusions In this population at high risk for diabetes, we observed significantly higher rates of diabetes with statin therapy in all three treatment groups. Confounding by indication for statin use does not appear to explain this relationship. The effect of statins to increase diabetes risk appears to extend to populations at high risk for diabetes.

  225. Fisky

    Every single Democrat candidate raised their hands for free health care for illegal immigrants. So people enter the US illegally, with the support of “libertarians”, and one electoral cycle later, they get government benefits. So predictable.

  226. Geriatric Mayfly

    Only 7 Milliflanneries to go and we reach 50 for the day. And yet the scrub wrens frolic in the bird bath. No sign of the maggies at all. With flanneried feathers they always arrive looking very bedraggled, even pitiful. The fully fledged ‘Stubby” who lost the top half of his beak still prospers. The bottom half has worn back to the same level. He has lost that finely machined tweezer tip, which can pick up one molecule of mince at a time. Speak of the devil…..

  227. Farmer Gez

    123andBush.

    The old El Niño forecast by BoM.

    I reckon that was a big factor for both farmer orders and companies ordering shipping.
    Only Western Vic and SA had a good timely break. WA was very late and most of NSW and Queensland away from the coasts is awful.
    There were good stocks left over from last year but they disappeared in a hurry once the SE got rain.
    We used Ammonium Sulphate and MAP at sowing which gives us breathing space before we need to apply urea. I use a NIR meter to measure nitrate status in the crops. So far only the hay oats crop needed a top up.

  228. johanna

    Thanks Bruce.

    The official BOM prediction for today (as shown on the ABC website) was for rain. Well, it’s 4.30 pm and not a drop. In fact, the sun shone brilliantly all day.

    I am much more confident in your predictions, and hope that you are right.

  229. areff

    Are magpies particularly prone to damaged feet? In ten years at two different addresses, I’ve encountered three with knotted feet, one apiece. The freeloading mince bandit I’m feeding now makes a fair job of hobbling about like Tiny Tim, but is in otherwise good form. He’s been crippled, if that is the word, ever since I moved in to the new place three years ago.

  230. Muddy

    Flannery – A unit of measurement of rain. “I think we’ve had over 75 ‘Flannerys’ in the past week.” A Flannery being 50 gigalitres. Wivenhoe Dam [in south east Queensland] at 1,165 GL is…23.3 Flannerys. Word: Bill Thompson. Definition: Entropy.

    Alternative definition: An actionable noun. ie, There was a good ten minutes of solid mutual Flannery from Richard Di Natale and Fran Kelly this morning … meaning, moralistic green-left overstatement, verging on catastrophism, with no apparent embarrassment or acknowledgement of past gaffes. Dave in Marybrook.

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    Areff – They get a parasite of the feet sometimes. That can cause deformity, although one of the magpie kiddies who had it this season seems to’ve come through it without disability. A crested pigeon had it too, one of her feet is noticeably damaged.

    Main issue is simple accident. I’ve a rainbow lorikeet outside just now with a broken leg. Not much I can do about it. If I take it to the vet they’ll just put it down (a lesson I’ve learned to my horror). And last year one of the magpie chicks lost a foot after getting a swatch of carpet wrapped around it.

  232. Mitch M.

    The interoceptive turn

    The science of how we sense ourselves from within, including our bodily states, is creating a radical picture of selfhood

  233. areff

    Boambee: The Wages of Fear (Le salaire de la peur)

    You can see it here, but you’ll need the patience of Job because it is infected with bowel-cancer awareness ads — or it was the last time I tried to watch it. Gave up after 10 minutes.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6jg3bu

    Great flick.

    Also good if you like seedy Frenchman in North Africa is Tavernier’s, Le Coup du Torchon.

  234. johanna

    areff, maggies are good and loyal friends, and pretty smart.

    Unfortunately, the dominant species around here are cockies, who wheel about over my place at decibels that rival F18s. Truly, they drown out the TV, conversation and even Alan Jones on talkback.

    There are thousands of them in the Canberra/Queanbeyan region. They are a protected species, and hence have become a pest, like bloody possums.

  235. areff

    ‘de” not “du”. Boy, Miss Connors would have the cane out for that abuse of the French language.

  236. areff

    Johanna, I’m fond of my cockies, who come screaming into the backyard, as they did this morning. Last year the cockies got my apricots (which can be very painful), the year before the corellas got there first. Cockies are so crazy, you have to like them — sitting on the roof and cackling away while the youngsters flick the wind vane around. It’s worth the racket to watch them

  237. Geriatric Mayfly

    Are magpies particularly prone to damaged feet?

    Had one such invalid areff. As the malady worsened the visitations suddenly ceased. More like a club foot affair, which reminded me that chooks used to develop something similar. I think Google the Pariah might enlighten you further. After you wade through all the heroic magpies which have never swooped a Lefty, you should get there

  238. Perth Trader:

    Ammonium sulphate….Toll Transport put 70 tonne in trucks and truck it from Kwinana sth of Perth to the iron ore mines in the north. I’ve often wondered what sort of bang theyed make if the collided with a roadtrain of fuel.

    There is a story of one of those transports having fuelled up, failed to secure the cap. At 100km/hr the entire 300l? tank of diesel siphoned out into the load.
    Then it exploded at some point along the road in the NT/SA wherever and dug a ginormous crater in the highway.
    At the same time, a motorcyclist went missing. Several years later the front end of his bike was found embedded in a tree about 2miles off the highway. It was assumed he was overtaking the IED when it went off.
    I don’t know the truth of it, but sounds feasible.

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