Tuesday Forum: July 16, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Morning, all.

  2. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hah! First ten. I need a win today!

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Number 5 no less.
    Excellent.

  4. feelthebern

    Having said all that I have to say I think Elon Musk is a loon and a loose cannon.

    Definitely a loose cannon, but not a loon.
    Elon saw the AGW scam for what it was, a way to attach a vacuum cleaner to the tax payer purse.
    Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

  5. feelthebern

    As P reported on the other thread, Richard Carter is dead.

    Deak from Wildside was one of Australian TV’s greatest characters.
    Wildside was when the ABC made gritty drama, not SJW rewriting history in a holier-than-thou manner.

  6. Dr Fred Llenin

    Amongst the top scorers again , morning fellow cats ,mild morning in Melbourne ,bit of a change from cold ,sun is trying to shine and windmills are silent .
    Notice comrade brown of the gangrenes has found a windtower that kills birds and is an eyesore! wonder if he asked “how long has this been going on ?”
    He shoud be back in Canberra helping to destroy career politics ,perhaps his husband wont let him do that ?

  7. pete m

    incoherent rambler
    #3108585, posted on July 16, 2019 at 10:55 am
    No pubes allowed.

    Furist!

  8. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Shut up’, she explained.

  9. jo

    Fred, I didn’t realize Gangreen Bob was the wife.

  10. egg_

    Don’t you hate pubes in a bar of soap?
    In the Office kitchen?
    Swarthies may shed (voluminous) pubes moreso than Anglos?
    A Sri Lankan mate had what looked like pubes all over.

  11. stackja

    I believe Brown and partner started in NSW then went to Tasmania.

  12. dover_beach

    From the OOT (by popular demand).

    Ellie:

    This dichotomy came out at the Cat during the gay marriage survey, when alleged conservatives pronounced that only certain varieties of human interaction are “good”.

    No matter what you think about the state involving itself in marriage, the Cat wozer’s edicts were written in the ink of arrogance.

    I can’t let this comment go unremarked. What is this dichotomy? And what is unjustified and arrogant about claiming that certain varieties of human interaction are ‘good’ while others less so? If you’re going to correct ‘alleged conservatives’ you should leave no area of ambiguity lest the lesson is misunderstood.”

  13. egg_

    He shoud be back in Canberra helping to destroy career politics ,perhaps his husband wont let him do that ?

    Bob should go to Change.org and get a No Windfarms in Upper Bumcrack petition going.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What’s more painful than childbirth are kidney stones. How do I know this? If you have ever had them, you don’t opt to have them again!!

    Kidney Stones are said to be one of the worst pains; I believe that. Obstructed childbirth is one of the other ‘worst’ ones. As Notafan says, in the middle east and Africa this causes fistulas and appalling misery if FGM is involved; but you don’t have to have that for obstruction to occur. The human pelvis is pushed to the limit by the evolution of the huge human brain – crushable head bone ‘sutures’ are evidence enough of that. In Elizabethan times and before women were roughly bounced around in a blanket or pounded with stones to try to bring on delivery during second stage obstructions. A dead child was then often dismembered and retrieved. Aaaarrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    Top Ender, I will look forward to your revelations about Castle Durnstein and the veracity of the troubadour story for the imprisoned Richard the Lionheart. We too climbed the steep climb up, and it was only a few years ago at that, while the rest of our Danube cruisers headed on their walking frames for the bar on the waterside. We met a lovely youngish American couple and had a race up with them. Dancing has so far kept me fit and competitive. 🙂

  15. stackja

    egg – How goes north beach turbines?

  16. mh

    Elon saw the AGW scam for what it was, a way to attach a vacuum cleaner to the tax payer purse.
    Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

    I’ll hate the global government players and the global government game.

  17. Roger

    From the OOT (by popular demand).

    +1 from me.

  18. Woolfe

    How did you go with Hairy’s travel insurance Lizzie, or did you just self insure?

  19. Roger

    File under “the Left must politicise everything”:

    The Twittersphere is jumping with Leftist twits claiming England’s contested win in the world cup supports the Remain argument, as their star players, including captain Morgan, all-rounder Stokes & fast bowler Archer, are all immigrants.

    Apparently immigration didn’t exist until the UK joined the EU.

  20. “Roger
    #3108618, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:19 am
    From the OOT (by popular demand).

    +1 from me.”

    And me too.

  21. stackja

    db – Marriage between a man and a woman is good. I believe any other union is unnatural.

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Memoryvault

    #3108605, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Dover, Casssie, Nota, None,

    Folks, I’ve spoken of this before in relation to other people, but it looks like I have to do it again.
    How about we limit the pile-ons to when the person being rubbished is at least present to defend themselves?

    And how do we determine if someone is “present” or not?

  23. Woolfe

    Hey Custard local elections coming up.

    How do we influence these ratbags to give us our bulk rubbish collections back? Vote sitting member last?

  24. Speedbox

    From Russia Today:

    Russia and one of the biggest importers of its weapons, India, have decided to use their national currencies to transfer payments for massive defense deals in order to skirt possible US sanctions, according to Bloomberg.

    Moscow and New Delhi have been boosting their arms trade in recent months, with Russia selling submarines, ships, tanks and jets to its Indian partners and set to supply S-400 air defense systems to the country. India’s procurement of S-400s, with a contract worth more than $5 billion, has triggered anger from one of the its largest trade partners, the US, which has warned India of possible consequences of the move.

    New Delhi is not the only one willing to purchase Russian arms at the risk of US punitive measures. Washington’s NATO ally Turkey has defied the threat of US sanctions, by going ahead with the purchase of Russia’s S-400 air defense system. Ankara has already received several batches of S-400 components, and the last plane with parts landed in Turkey on Monday.

    While the Pentagon has, so far, remained silent on the matter, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan believes the US will refrain from targeting Ankara with sanctions as President Trump “has the authority to waive or postpone CAATSA.”

    IIRC China and Russia did a similar deal a weeks (months?) ago.

  25. Speedbox

    IIRC China and Russia did a similar deal a weeks (months?) ago.

    A few weeks (months?) ago.

  26. notafan

    is MV white knighting?

    How chivalrous

    and you call that a ‘pile on’

    just wow

    I further note the significant exceptions to when you decide to scold alleged pile oners

  27. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3108635, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:36 am

    is MV white knighting?

    He doesn’t realise “Elle” is a burly trannie corresponding from “her” basement.

  28. “Memoryvault
    #3108605, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:09 am
    Dover, Casssie, Nota, None,

    Folks, I’ve spoken of this before in relation to other people, but it looks like I have to do it again.
    How about we limit the pile-ons to when the person being rubbished is at least present to defend themselves?”

    Excuse me….who made you chief censor of Catallaxy……and a sanctimonious one at that….oh and there is ZERO piling on. I happen to like and respect Elle and I don’t and won’t pile on anyone…apart from the SS guard…who strangely (and mercifully) hasn’t been around that much lately. If we can’t politely critique a comment then there is no point in any of us being here…or maybe that’s what you want…an echo chamber where you have the blog all to yourself just so you can talk to yourself.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    I am present.

    Or AM I?
    …..

    No. Really, I am.

    But are you SURE?
    …..

    Man, these new pile-on rules are hard.

  30. stackja

    How loud are protests on Russia arms deals? Like CND protested Western arms but muted on USSR.

  31. “I further note the significant exceptions to when you decide to scold alleged pile oners”

    Well said Nota.

  32. mh

    MV believes that if he can somehow get to motorboat Elle’s massive rack then all will be right with the world again.

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    Stacks on.

    One of the greatest ever primary school activities.

    Probably banned now, but should be considered as an Olympic sport. Well before playing freaking video games, anyway.

  34. feelthebern

    MV believes that if he can somehow get to motorboat Elle’s massive rack then all will be right with the world again.

    Hey-Zeus
    Not even midday & the Cat turns R rated.
    Let the depravity begin…or continue…

  35. feelthebern

    Stacks on.

    Depends if it was Knox Grammar stacks on or state high school stacks on.

  36. Knuckle Dragger

    Elle, aka Ellie, aka Eric will be laughing his guts out.

    In between downing a mystery bag for lunch and putting a quaddie on.

  37. Speedbox

    Russia Today:

    Two Mosquito anti-ship cruise missiles eliminated an above-water target during tactical drills of the Russian Pacific Fleet in the Sea of Japan, with the successful test caught on video. The projectiles were simultaneously launched by a destroyer and a missile boat, hitting the target 60 kilometers away, in the estimated time.

    Moskit (Mosquito) is a Russian supersonic low-altitude cruise missile, designed to take on ships and other above-water vessels with a displacement of up to 20,000 tons.

    It’s the only supersonic missile in the world, capable of reaching Mach 2.8 (around 3,400kph), while travelling at ultra-low altitudes.

    The four-ton missile spreads its wings after launching, goes up, and then descends to 20 meters above-surface as it quickly approaches the target. The impact takes place at an altitude of just seven meters, with the Mosquito’s 400-kilogram warhead.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    Catholic boarding school stacks on was not for the faint-hearted.

    Made a man out of you.

  39. custard

    Woolfe
    At least we managed to stop them building a stupid performing arts centre.

    I’d love to see some state legislation capping local government size, scope and reach. Just imagine if we were in the Bayswater Shire they are about to foist expensive renewable energy on their ratepayers citing the fact that the rest of Australia is not doing enough!

  40. So the sanctimonious Catallaxy Chief Censor has just posted this on Open Thread…

    “Memoryvault
    #3108655, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:50 am
    No one is piling-on Ellie, MV.

    Whatever you say, Dover.
    Putting aside the minor fact that Elle was not present when you made your “request”, Cassie at 10.46 had no qualms about interpreting it as an attack when she pasted it in full and then continued with “Thanks Dover”. Again, in Elle’s absence.

    Nota also seemed to have no trouble four minutes later when she joined the pile on, starting her post with “Thanks Cassie”, referring to her verbatim repeat of your original comment. Still no Elle.

    Then a minute after that None jumped on the wagon with “Precisely Dover”. And still no Elle.

    Now, you can call it what you like. But where I come from if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

    Yes MV…I can see the duck here…and it’s you….stick to depilation.

  41. Speedbox

    stackja
    #3108644, posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:42 am

    (crickets)

  42. notafan

    Reminding me of the episode on IT crowd when douglas reynholm finds his ideal mate, after he doesn’t pay attention to April when she confesses she used to be a man (i say she because it was definitely a female actress).

    Very funny, I wonder after just a very short time that has elapsed since that story line whether it would be allowed to be made today.

  43. notafan

    and just yesterday they were all for freedom of speech

    what changed

    oh that is right it doesn’t suit the sex gods of catallaxy

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s the only supersonic missile in the world, capable of reaching Mach 2.8 (around 3,400kph), while travelling at ultra-low altitudes.

    Excellent incentive for more laser advances. I don’t know how you’d stop one that’s been polished to a mirror finish though.

  45. Speedbox

    Out of the truly bizarre portfolio:

    Risky masturbation kills 80 to 100 Germans a year, claims a Brandenburg physician who is shining a light on the unpredictable and often clandestine killer.

    Dr. Harald Voss estimates that one to two people per one million inhabitants are killed by risky masturbation techniques annually, all of them in search of an elevated experience that the vast majority already deem quite satisfactory.

    Asphyxiation is cited as the most common form of masturbation death, says Voss, along with electric shock, however it’s difficult to get a truly accurate reading of just how many people have lost their lives this way.

    “The number of unreported cases is extremely high, which is a very rare case in forensic medicine,” Voss told Bild, claiming to have personally seen only five cases throughout his more than 30 year career as a forensic physician.

    Additionally, if police find the cause of death to be clearly accidental, where the victim is naked, pornographic material is present, no farewell letter is left behind, there’s a nearby mirror as well as other tell-tale signs, the body does not go to forensics.

    Risky masturbation appears to be favored by people of all ages, but most victims are men, says Voss, because women tend to “be more cautious” when it comes to autoerotic practices.

    While it’s hard for some to comprehend, Voss says the feeling of powerlessness and enhanced sense of danger are some of the reasons people risk embarrassment, injury and at times death for the euphoria which has been equated to a drug-induced high.

    Sorry to lower the tone on this new forum so early in the day but I thought the above may be a timely warning to some Cats.

  46. notafan

    I think someone is making a judgement on the old thread.

    we might be in real trouble now

  47. stackja

    Speedbox – Takes one’s breath away.

  48. dover_beach

    Putting aside the minor fact that Elle was not present when you made your “request”, Cassie at 10.46 had no qualms about interpreting it as an attack when she pasted it in full and then continued with “Thanks Dover”. Again, in Elle’s absence.

    MV, you are being ridiculous. I asked for a simple elaboration, which Elle is perfectly free to give when she reads it. So that ‘minor fact’ was not even relevant; moreover, the idea that we can only ask questions in writing on the blogosphere when that person is present is preposterous.

    Nota also seemed to have no trouble four minutes later when she joined the pile on, starting her post with “Thanks Cassie”, referring to her verbatim repeat of your original comment. Still no Elle.

    How can notafan have joined a ‘pile-on’ when, as you allege, I was the first to ask Elle for a simple elaboration of yesterday’s comment and she is second in the alleged chain ‘piling-on’?

    Then a minute after that None jumped on the wagon with “Precisely Dover”. And still no Elle.

    Oh, so someone seconding or thirding a request for elaboration is ‘piling-on’ further.

    Now, you can call it what you like. But where I come from if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

    No, no, nothing I said, or the comments that followed, remotely look like a ‘pile on’. Not even remotely. What you saw was no ‘pile-on’. Check your spectacles.

  49. Dr Fred Llenin

    Jo ,its hard to tell with thses relationships,one of them is usually the wife. I think ,I dont want to be mizojeneeist but he carries of like an old woman who is hormonally challenged.
    Spoiling my view from the kitchen sink bloody philistines .”

  50. dover_beach

    I think someone is making a judgement on the old thread.

    we might be in real trouble now

    Indeed.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    I thought the riskiest thing about masturbation was potentially being sprung.

  52. Steve trickler

    This is good to have on the big screen, playing in the background.



  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Month-old baby has penis amputated after it became gangrenous ‘following botched circumcision by a nurse pretending to be a doctor’ in Egypt

    Month-old baby reportedly had penis amputated ‘after botched circumcision’
    Nurse allegedly persuaded parents to allow her to carry out the procedure
    Baby Morhammed later developed an infection and was rushed to hospital
    Doctors allegedly forced to amputate his penis after it turned gangrenous
    The nurse has been detained and the case is under investigation

    Daily Mail.

  54. 1735099

    July 20th (next Saturday) marks the 50th anniversary of the first Apollo moon landing.
    By July 1969, I had been serving in 7th Battalion RAR for about a month, having completed Infantry Corps training at Singleton before being marched into the battalion. I was “called up” as a teacher working at Goondiwindi State School.
    7 RAR had been “warned” for operational service in Vietnam, and the pace of our training activity was frenetic. Initially, when first marched into the battalion after corps training, I was posted to D Company, but after a week or two was shipped across to B Company. I have no idea why the transfer occurred. There is nothing on my retrieved service record to provide a reason, so it was probably down to manpower considerations.
    These same manpower considerations were probably also responsible for my posting to Infantry. As a teacher, I had requested Education Corps. I was not happy.
    The B Coy posting was the beginning of an association with the men I served with in Vietnam, a unique association which lasts to this day. By the anniversary of the moon landing I will have known these men for 50 years, longer than I’ve known my wife and kids.
    In mid-July 1969, we were flown into the Gospers training area for an exercise in small unit tactics in preparation for tropical warfare in the Vietnamese jungle and paddy. The fact that is was mid-Winter in Australia, and that the country around the training area was scrub rather than jungle seemed lost on the army. Both looked green on their maps; I suppose.
    Just as we arrived, a Sou’wester ramped up, and began blowing sleet and drizzle directly (it seemed) from somewhere in the Antarctic. Anticipating the conditions, one resourceful digger had brought a balaclava with him, and when we were encamped in the bush on the first night of the exercise, produced it from his backpack and put it on.
    Next morning, when he woke up, the balaclava had somehow turned when he was asleep and covered his eyes. In his groggy state, he assumed he had been struck blind during the night, and noisy panic ensued. The commotion attracted the platoon sergeant who was upset at the noise (we were supposed to be observing tactical silence) and balaclavas were immediately confiscated, and wearing one became a chargeable offence.
    We barged around the scrub in the sleet and mud for a day or two, amid much cursing and swearing about the army in general, and national service in particular, and finally, on the last night, were allowed to go “non-tac”.
    This meant we could light fires and try to get warm. Being warm was a state which had eluded us for the last two days. A couple of soldiers had been flown out to be treated for exposure.
    Once we had lit a couple of fires, we began to put out boots (without taking them off) as close to these fires as we could in an attempt to get warm feet again. This was not a good idea. These GP boots had a metal plate installed under the sole, which rapidly heated up, and a mad boot removing scramble ensued.
    We had been allowed to put hootchies up on the last (non-tac) night of the exercise. A hootchie is a sheet of waterproof plastic, two of which could be clipped together to make a rudimentary shelter. which at least provided respite from the sleet and drizzle but did little to stop the horizontal howling wind which always seem to be blowing through the hootchie. I had a bright idea and put one green army blanket across the end of the shelter as a wind break, tying it in place with coms cord.

    Next morning, when we let the tent down prior to packing up for the flight out, the blanket stayed in place. During the night, it had become sodden, and eventually froze in place.
    We were told about the moon landing but weren’t really all that excited. After all, if the Yanks were so bloody clever, why hadn’t they sorted Vietnam years ago?
    The exercise was over, but the wind had not abated, and when we were set to emplane aboard a Caribou transport for the flight back to Sydney, the conditions became a major problem. From where we were sitting in the fuselage of the Caribou, we could see the flight crew. What we saw was not confidence inspiring. Both pilot and co-pilot seemed to be struggling to keep the ship on track. Apparently, the Caribou’s large tail was a problem in the cross wind. Eventually, amidst a great deal of noise from the big Pratt and Whitneys, we unstuck and commenced a bumpy flight towards Sydney.
    As it turned out, the conditions had deteriorated so much that we were the last flight out that day. This was great, as the platoon HQ group was scheduled on the next flight, and we arrived back in base without them. The only NCO with us let it be known that if we kept out of sight, we had the best part of 24 hours to our own devices, which meant lots of napping, and a beer or two at the boozer.
    That’s how I remember the anniversary of the first moon landing.

  55. Eyrie

    JC, nobody will be sending really big packages into space. There is no need. All the resources needed for really big packages are available in space – on the Moon, Mars, the asteroids. Particularly the asteroids. The immense packages, far larger than the space elevator is capable of carrying, can be built where required.
    Even ships on Earth have limits to what can be shipped in one piece. Eventually when your project gets large enough you build it in situ from mostly local or not far away raw materials.
    Reusable spaceships have another advantage – flexibility. Airliners can travel between any city pairs. All you need is a runway at each end. High speed trains only between the cities located on them. California high speed rail anyone?

  56. C.L.

    Rush, Jarrett, Gayle …
    Tracey Spicer wonders why news execs got rid of her (apart from the fact that she was physically ageing very badly).

  57. Speedbox

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3108672, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    Bit disturbing isn’t it. Carrying 400kg of explosive, skimming only 20m high across the ground at 3,400km/h.

    We all know that ground hugging radar has been around for years but at these new speeds – wow. I would like to see footage of the test in a hilly region. (Only a matter of time I guess).

  58. feelthebern

    Risky masturbation kills 80 to 100 Germans a year, claims a Brandenburg physician who is shining a light on the unpredictable and often clandestine killer.

    Topical.

  59. Sinclair Davidson

    To repeat myself:

    Actually I do think people are piling on Ellie.

    Everybody understands perfectly well what she was saying about conservatives’ judgemental and morally superior attitudes.

  60. feelthebern

    This thread got stale quick.

  61. Sinclair Davidson

    Looks like the Me Too over-reach is being crushed in the courts.

  62. Memoryvault

    I see the vast majority of Cats are all in favour of pile-ons in a person’s absence.
    Let’s see how that pans out over time.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Shorter Four Leaf:

    When man landed on the Moon I was in the army.

    I didn’t like it.

  64. C.L.

    The ABC likes one kind of woman above all others:

    Choosing sterilisation when you’re young and don’t want kids.

    Jess is still with her partner of two and a half years. He also doesn’t want children.

    “He was stoked,” Jess says of when he found out she felt the same.

    “He thought he would just have to have kids to be in a long-term relationship. He was stoked he doesn’t have to do that,” she says.

    Pictured: Jess and her ‘partner’.

  65. JC

    Eyrie

    It would be easier to build things on earth than it would in space. Think about it. Assembling is much harder in space.

    I never said there aren’t weight limitations in the example I provided …. ships vs planes. Do I really have to spell it out? Ships are much slower but can also carry more weight and volume.

    Next.

  66. Mother Lode

    No pubes allowed.

    Indeed! Let us declare this a very patrician thread.

    Hang on….comprehension fail.

    As you were.

  67. Roger

    Pictured: Jess and her ‘partner’.

    He be a pirate!

  68. notafan

    I thought a pile on was when someone was personally attacked by a number of people

    like describing them in detail as a very unattractive prison wardess with lots of agreement from others

    as for morally superior isn’t that what is being claimed by someone calling other commentors wowsers and claiming that all types of sex is good?

  69. The Barking Toad

    I thought the riskiest thing about masturbation was potentially being sprung.

    Especially in boarding school

  70. C.L.

    VicPol’s mates’ rates …

    Bill Shorten accused of r-ape. Confined space (bathroom), no forensics, no witnesses, decades ago.
    No charges.

    Gary Ablett Sr accused of r-ape. Confined space (car), no forensics, no witnesses, decades ago.
    No charges.

    George Pell accused of r-ape. Large space (sacristy), no forensics, dozens of exculpatory witnesses, decades ago.

    Sent to DPP three times, charged, prosecuted, imprisoned in solitary confinement.

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    It would be easier to build things on earth than it would in space. Think about it. Assembling is much harder in space.

    Here you go JC.
    Made in Space wins NASA contract to 3D-print satellite structures in orbit (14 July)

  72. Memoryvault

    I thought the riskiest thing about masturbation was potentially being sprung.

    In my day the most embarrassing moment was when as an adult, you find out your mother always knew. She did the washing.

  73. Tom

    St Kilda AFL coach Alan Richardson has been sacked. Caretaker coach is former Carlton coach, now Saints assistant coach, Brett Ratten, who’d be a brilliant permanent replacement. Ratts’ sacking by the Blues in 2012 marked the descent of the Carlton board into an era of clownish incompetence.

  74. notafan

    You are right CL

    and if either BS or GA had gotten into a court room and the jury decided that the accuser was sincere believable they might be in gaol too

    because that is how it works, apparently.

  75. Andreas

    Reminding me of the episode on IT crowd when douglas reynholm finds his ideal mate, after he doesn’t pay attention to April when she confesses she used to be a man (i say she because it was definitely a female actress).

    Very funny, I wonder after just a very short time that has elapsed since that story line whether it would be allowed to be made today.

    Notafan, funny you should mention that. Recently I heard Graham Linehan, the creator of the IT Crowd/Father Ted, described as a horrible person by some left-wingers and wondered what that could be about… Turns out that episode and subsequent arguments about it has made him an unperson. Even been visited by police for comments on twitter.

    From The Irish Times:
    Graham Linehan: Trans activists ‘don’t realise the damage’ they do
    Petition calls on RTÉ to drop the writer from ‘Prime Time’ report on transgender issues

    He tweets a lot about transgender issues now, unfortunately he seems to be an idiot lefty on most other things though.

  76. Mother Lode

    and I don’t and won’t pile on anyone…apart from the SS guard…who strangely (and mercifully) hasn’t been around that much lately.

    Oh, man! What did you do that for.

    He will have been sitting in his back yard pulling the wings off butterflies and sparrows, or taunting a growling dog trapped under the back fence by snarling and yelping at it just beyond the reach of its jaws and, just as you typed that, he would have frozen for a split second, cocking his head to pinpoint that single sound, before trotting back in and turning his computer back on by hitting the mouse with a dead cat.

  77. “Mother Lode
    #3108728, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:42 pm”

    I know ML and I am sorry.

  78. JC

    Bruce

    Still easier to print on earth and then carry it into space.

  79. None

    Hey MV. Looks like you’re having a bit of karma for lunch, baby.

  80. notafan

    Linehan is spot on about the damage being done to children.

    Good for him not to cave.

    And the Douglas Reynholm character is an honest one, that trans and their supporters (insert smart remark) will have to get used to, because all the transphobia allegations in the world won’t change the natural repugnance towards having what is in reality a same sex relationship, not to mention the natural wish not to have a long term relationship with someone with whom you cannot have a biological child.

  81. None

    Memoryvault

    #3108704, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    I see the vast majority of Cats are all in favour of pile-ons in a person’s absence.
    Let’s see how that pans out over time.

    As someone who has survived more than one pile on at Catallaxy (and won 💪💪💪) may I remind you of your and E’s little pile on the other night when you thought I wasn’t around? I say it has panned out swimmingly.

  82. C.L.

    And it begins …

    Battle brews over Hawke millions

    A fight over the multimillion-dollar estate of Bob Hawke is looming as one of the former PM’s daughters prepares to battle his widow, Blanche d’Alpuget.

    The Australian

    In The New Daily: Legal stoush brewing over Bob Hawke’s estate.

    Bob Hawke’s daughter Rosslyn Dillon is preparing to take legal action against Blanche d’Alpuget over the former prime minister’s multimillion-dollar estate.

    Ros, 58, who remains ‘‘fragile” after her father’s death according to friends, has conveyed her intention to challenge the will in a tense phone call with her stepmother after her father’s death in May.

    It followed her discovery she will receive a payout of around $750,000 under a separate agreement to the multimillion-dollar estate that includes the proceeds of the $15 million sale of a Northbridge home.

    It is Ms Dillon’s understanding there is no further provision for Mr Hawke’s three children in her father’s will, which bequeaths his entire remaining estate to his biographer and wife, Ms d’Alpuget.

    Under the arrangement that was struck separately to Mr Hawke’s will, his three children Susan Pieters-Hawke, Stephen Hawke and Rosslyn Dillon were awarded around $750,000 each, in a payment from Ms d’Alpuget, immediately upon his death.

  83. feelthebern

    Is numbers complaining that he wasn’t the first chap to walk on the moon?
    & that is America’s fault?
    Or Australia’s fault?

  84. notafan

    As a mother doing the washing I never closely inspected my children’s sheets.

    No washing machines back in the day, obviously.

  85. Bruce of Newcastle

    Still easier to print on earth and then carry it into space.

    JC – No. Easier to send up the design files, make the iron powder on the Moon by solar collector and closed-loop hydrogen reduction* and build your massive structure in orbit with the printer. Gravity sucks.

    * Makes oxygen as a byproduct. I thought about entering the idea as an X Prize submission but couldn’t be bothered with Obama in the WH.

  86. thefrollickingmole

    Reminding me of the episode on IT crowd when douglas reynholm finds his ideal mate, after he doesn’t pay attention to April when she confesses she used to be a man (i say she because it was definitely a female actress).

    It was really, really funny.

  87. Graham

    Pictured: Jess and her ‘partner’.

    A very wise choice for the rest of society that Jess and her “partner” are not going to reproduce, I would think.

  88. feelthebern

    I can’t help myself.

    Next morning, when we let the tent down prior to packing up for the flight out, the blanket stayed in place. During the night, it had become sodden, and eventually froze in place.

    Somehow a blanket became wet….& then became cardboard stiff.
    Sounds like the biggest game of soggy sao ever played.

  89. None

    Cats and Kittens. You may continue to refer to None-isms, even behind my back, with my full blessings. It is good to elevate your mind. And your bog standard morals.
    *ducks*

  90. notafan

    Would not have some of Hawkes’s assets been accumulated when he was married to Hazel and possibly inherited from his parents?

    I don’t blame the children for wanting a little more for themselves and their children and grandchildren.

    They put up with a lot I would guess.

  91. Memoryvault

    None,

    I did not speak out in Elle’s defence. She is quite capable of looking after herself.
    Neither did I criticise pile-ons per se, although personally I avoid partaking in them.

    I spoke out against pile-ons in a person’s absence, which I consider unfair, pointless, and childish.
    But I guess if the cap fits, wear it.

    Carry on.

  92. Mother Lode

    Jess is still with her partner of two and a half years. He also doesn’t want children.

    I looked at the picture and and just saw the subtle majesty of Nature gently ushering those two out of the gene pool in such a way that they think it is their idea.

  93. None

    C.L.

    #3108739, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    The consequences of philandering and divorce are joyous and never ending.

  94. notafan

    Mole it was

    IT crowd is still one of my favourites, very rarely fell flat, along with Black Books

    I got my US friends to watch them both

    was very amusing to watch them watch it.

    I have never watched Father Ted.

  95. zyconoclast

    Foreign doctors are revealed to be behind 60% of all sex assaults on patients – but NHS wants fewer of them taken to disciplinary hearings

    Foreign-trained doctors commit six in ten cases of sexual misconduct with patients, even though they make up only a third of NHS medics, shock new figures reveal.

    Britain’s 95,000 doctors from black and minority ethnic backgrounds (BME) are more than twice as likely to be referred to the GMC as their white colleagues. There is a similar pattern with other staff such as nurses.

  96. None

    MV you need to look back at your comments from a night or so ago when you and L were part of a mini pile on. Suck it up. It’s good karma, trust me.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Tell-tale marks on sheets?

    Amateurs.

    That’s what Explorer socks were for.

  98. Speedbox

    It is my understanding that any Mars mission will either be launched from the Moon, or possibly (but less likely) from a space station constructed for the purpose.

    The reason is that the much lower gravity of the Moon will allow a rocket of sufficient size to take off with adequate supplies for the journey, remembering that the astronauts will need those supplies to last no less than 3 years, and possibly longer.

    To construct a rocket of sufficient power to escape Earth’s atmosphere whilst lifting the necessary supplies and instruments, landing module, ascent rocket (to get off Mars – assuming you’re coming back), exploration vehicles etc – not to mention 6 or more astronauts – is just not possible. It would make the Saturn 5 rocket look like a toy.

  99. Mother Lode

    It has probably done to death by now, but why did they choose such an aesthetically challenged person to play the new Bond?

    Smart really.

    They have chosen someone whom audiences could easily forget was a woman and not a man.

  100. None

    Ok I think I”ll skip lunch. Thanks, Knuckles.

  101. zyconoclast

    Trump f3llates Kevin McCarthy

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is a far superior leader than was Lame Duck Speaker Paul Ryan. Tougher, smarter and a far better fundraiser, Kevin is already closing in on 44 Million Dollars. Paul’s final year numbers were, according to Breitbart, “abysmal.”

    Meanwhile

    GOP legislators (140) voted for a bill drafted by business groups and Democrats which provides a green card giveaway to 300,000 Indian contract workers and dramatically increases the incentives for more Indian graduates to take college graduate jobs in the United States.
    The 365- to-65 vote means the bill moves to the Senate, where GOP Senators are pushing a matching giveaway bill which is backed by Democrat Senator and presidential hopeful, Sen. Kamala Harris. Only 57 of 197 GOP legislators — and only eight Democrats — present voted against the giveaway.

    The GOP’s House leader, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, voted for the giveaway to Indian outsourcing workers.
    The bill also helps U.S. real-estate investors by extending the green-card giveaway to the Chinese leaders who use the EB-5 program to buy green cards for their families.

  102. Memoryvault

    Speedbox
    #3108758, posted on July 16, 2019 at 1:06 pm

    Serious question;
    What is the advantage of assembling on the moon rather than simply in orbit here?
    I would have thought landing everything on the moon for assembly then lifting off again when completed would just be an unnecessary step with no advantage and several disadvantages.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie

    #3108694, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    JC, nobody will be sending really big packages into space.

    Jacqui-Jackie Lambie will be disappointed.

  104. feelthebern

    Why is Dan Andrews spending $600mill of Vic tax payers money on cladding?
    Isn’t it the responsibility of property owners to do that?

  105. feelthebern

    This reeks of a bailout of a Labor mate.

  106. C.L.

    I don’t understand why a father would leave millions (certainly north of $15 million) to his geriatric second wife but shortchange the children he betrayed throughout his life.

  107. zyconoclast

    ARMY WAR COLLEGE SURRENDERS
    Raymond Ibrahim is the author, most recently, of Sword and Scimitar: Fourteen Centuries of War Between [email protected] and the West, published last year with a foreword by Victor Davis Hanson. Ibrahim is the Judith Friedman Rosen Writing Fellow at the M1ddle East Forum and a frequent contributor to the Gatestone site; his Gatestone columns are compiled here. He knows whereof he writes.

    Ibrahim had planned to lecture on his book at the Army War College on June 19. In a new installment of an old story, however, his lecture was canceled due to “CAIR-induced hysteria” presenting him—a native [email protected] speaker of Egyptian/M1ddle Eastern descent—as a “racist” and “white nationalist” who is out to incite American soldiers to murder M00slims.

    Ibrahim gives a first-person account of the events leading to his cancellation in “Terr0rism-Linked CAIR Forces U.S. Army War College to Capitulate on Raymond Ibrahim’s [email protected] Lecture.” He writes that, although the Army War College claims that the event has been “postponed”—and that CAIR’s smear campaign has nothing to do with its decision—that is precisely what happened.

    Quotable quote: “The grand lesson of this entire debacle should be disheartening for all who care about this nation. If an ethnic Egyptian and native speaker of [email protected], with verifiable credentials, whose extended relatives continue to be persecuted because they are Christian, can be characterized by [email protected] groups with terror links as a ‘racist’ and ‘white nationalist’; and if, of all places, the U.S. Army War College, as opposed to the average ‘liberal’ college, can so easily capitulate to such patently deceptive tactics—the true motives of which are to keep the actual and troubling history between [email protected] and the West concealed from the military—know that the hour is late indeed.”

    NOTE: Ibrahim adds: The National Association of Scholars has stepped forward with an open letter to President Trump calling attention to War College’s capitulation and urging him “to use the ‘bully pulpit’ of the presidency to call on USAWC Commandant Gen. John Kem and Provost Dr. James Breckenridge to restore” Ibrahim’s lecture.

    JOHN adds: Ibrahim is one of the few people who systematically keeps track of, and tries to publicize, the worldwide persecution of Christians. I have frequently quoted his columns on that topic here. Maybe showing concern about the violent persecution of Christians (most of them non-white) is what it means to be a “white nationalist” these days.

  108. Andreas

    Black Books and the IT Crowd are both brilliant. That Black Books episode where Fran discovers long-lost Eastern European relatives who turn out to be horrible grifters probably couldn’t be made today either.

  109. None

    Today I had the pleasure of commending someone for their exceptional professional service. Even better she was only a young woman. Some of the young ones are truly promising.

  110. Speedbox

    C.L.
    #3108767, posted on July 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    The answer may be in your question.

    …..children he betrayed throughout his life.

    A final ‘up yours’ possibly.

  111. egg_

    What is the advantage of assembling on the moon rather than simply in orbit here?

    Minerals exploration and workshop support infrastructure on the Moon?
    The Sinos being ahead of the curve?

  112. Beachcomber

    C.L. at 12:35 pm

    George Pell accused of r-ape. Large space (sacristy), no forensics, dozens of exculpatory witnesses, decades ago.

    Sent to DPP three times, charged, prosecuted, imprisoned in solitary confinement.

    Cardinal Pell is a political prisoner in a corrupt, totalitarian state.

  113. notafan

    Mr Hawke and his first wife Hazel had originally paid $1.23 million for the knockdown house overlooking Middle Harbour in 1991.

    It eventually included a multi-storey trophy home, including a putting green for the former PM to practise golf, a private jetty and a boathouse.

    After Mr Hawke divorced Hazel, Ms d’Alpuget’s name was added to the title deeds in 1999.

    I think I would be pretty ticked off too

  114. Johno

    Apparently Microsoft are going to cease support for W7 in January. Can any tech savy cats tell me if W10 has improved, or is it still a pig? Also if there is a painless way to transition.

  115. None

    This reeks of a bailout of a Labor mate.

    certainly fails the pub test unless you talking about the smell of the urinals.

  116. Mater

    Why is Dan Andrews spending $600mill of Vic tax payers money on cladding?
    Isn’t it the responsibility of property owners to do that?

    I had this very argument with one of my Socialist mates the other day.
    Unless the government Reg’s were not up to standard, I couldn’t accept his reasoning.

    Apparently, “government guarantee of the building industry is the only way we can build the much needed apartments, in our crowded capital cities, at an acceptable price. Any additional demands on the industry or insurance companies will push the prices out of reach and severely impede essential, high density development.”

  117. Knuckle Dragger

    LL, 1.13 pm;

    Anyone delivering big packages to the Malingering Corporal’s place had best stop off at Bunnings on the way back to get several tins of degreaser

  118. RobK

    Also if there is a painless way to transition.
    Philosophical question.

  119. John Constantine

    Their crony landshark donor property Ponzi scheme to mass import consumers of dogbox apartments, so that Big Crony Donors to our political class could monetise the amenity of Australias cities.

    Predictable that it would be bailed out by taxpayers, we just had to wait for the bills to show up.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-16/victoria-seeks-federal-partnership-in-$600m-cladding-package/11312916

    Their yarragrad Nazgul bail out their donors with public funding.

    Why would you sue the Crony element for not fit for purpose buildings, when the only purpose of the Ponxi was superprofits and power for the right sort?.

    Comrade Maaaaaaaaates.

  120. Eyrie

    “Still easier to print on earth and then carry it into space.”
    Except that in space (if used in space and not on the Moon or Mars) the thing doesn’t have to support its own weight and can be much lighter. Even on the Moon or Mars the structural loads are lower. Shipping from Earth means it has to cope with not just one g loads but multiple g to cope with launch loads.
    If lifting things out of Earth’s gravity well is such good idea Musk,(and Bob Zubrin before him) would not be talking about ISRU (in situ resource utilisation). The first thing shipped to Mars will be just the essential components of a rocket fuel factory so you can return to Earth.
    You might want to launch a Mars ship from the moon if you can make rocket fuel from lunar polar ice. However it may be better to ship the lunar rocket fuel to low Earth orbit and launch from there .

  121. Eyrie

    Actually assemble your Mars ship at Earth-Moon L1 or L2 and fuel with lunar derived rocket fuel there.

  122. None

    6.1 earthquake in Bali a few hours ago. I reckon we heading for a big E somewhere in the Banda sea…

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mr Hawke and his first wife Hazel had originally paid $1.23 million for the knockdown house overlooking Middle Harbour in 1991.

    It eventually included a multi-storey trophy home, including a putting green for the former PM to practise golf, a private jetty and a boathouse.

    Doesn’t every “little Aussie battler” live in such a dwelling?

  124. thefrollickingmole

    I have never watched Father Ted.

    Not missing much…
    Note the small piece of black crap on the window in this scene…

  125. dover_beach

    W10 is fine but if you can be bothered try Linux.

  126. thefrollickingmole

    the payoff later on

  127. Entropy

    You might want to launch a Mars ship from the moon if you can make rocket fuel from lunar polar ice. However it may be better to ship the lunar rocket fuel to low Earth orbit and launch from there .

    Sling it from the moon in packages to the Lagrange point using a mag rail, with a mag hoop at the other end to slow it down.

  128. JC

    Eyrie

    What is available now and what could be possible in the decades coming are not the same thing.
    If we manage to get an elevator in the coming decades it would improve the efficiency of moving shit into space. At that pout into would be better making and assembling crap down here rather than up there. Imagine putting together a craft wearing a spacesuit.

  129. C.L.

    Mr Hawke and his first wife Hazel had originally paid $1.23 million for the knockdown house overlooking Middle Harbour in 1991.

    It eventually included a multi-storey trophy home, including a putting green for the former PM to practise golf, a private jetty and a boathouse.

    After Mr Hawke divorced Hazel, Ms d’Alpuget’s name was added to the title deeds in 1999.

    Good pick-up, Notafan.

  130. Memoryvault

    John Constantine
    #3108789, posted on July 16, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    Don’t sweat it, John.

    Now that we have elected a Liberal federal government there’s no way they would be a party to spending taxpayer’s money to bail out a spendthrift, foolish, left wing, socialist state Labor government.

  131. John Constantine

    The massive capital allocation to throwaway apartment developments is along the exact Big Crony lines as the massive capital investment in throwaway solar panels and throwaway windmills.

    We are not building the Hoover Dam or Empire State Building.

    The crony throwaway Ponxi property scheme and ruinables electricity is all about upfront superprofits from piggybacking upon societies prior accumulated capital and cashing upfront promissory notes that will never mature with any value.

    The whole trillion dollar debacle will cost more to patch up and limp along with, then pull down, than any value it produced.

    Everybody knows this, but the silence and absence of Truth is what they need to pull the scam off.

    Comrade Maaaaaaates.

  132. Eyrie

    “Sling it from the moon in packages to the Lagrange point using a mag rail, with a mag hoop at the other end to slow it down.”
    Yup. Pretty much as Gerry O’Neill figured it 45 years ago.

  133. notafan

    Moving from TV to books

    Have just finished another of Nicholas Freeling’s Van Der Valks, this one had a plot centering around the events at dien bien phu.

    They are a nice little dive into Dutch life in the 1960s (as imagined by an Englishman) with lots of references to other literary detectives. The assumption that the reader speaks french is nice (though in my case I have to get help). The detective’s wife is French, a stay at home good cook too.

    I suppose they are police procedurals but Van der Valk has a a much freer hand that today’s hotdog salesmen.

    Unlike today’s books not padded out with masses of tedious descriptive writing either.

    And don’t be like me, read them in order, trust me it matters.

    I think they may have been made into a TV series will have to have a look

  134. Eyrie

    JC, a space elevator is currently made of unobtainium. This may change but you can bet the EIS will be by the UN as the effects of failure will be global.

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think they may have been made into a TV series will have to have a look

    They were – shot in Amsterdam.

  136. Roger

    I think they may have been made into a TV series will have to have a look

    Yes, back in the late ’70s iirc.

    I enjoyed it at the time. The title music still rings in my mind from time to time.

  137. Sinclair Davidson

    There was a tv series Van Der Valk.

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Have just finished another of Nicholas Freeling’s Van Der Valks, this one had a plot centering around the events at dien bien phu.

    Which of the Van Der Valk novels is that?

  139. Knuckle Dragger

    Zulu, 1.39 pm;

    That must be the ‘top end of town’ Tits kept banging on about.

  140. egg_

    pile-ons

    Methinks some seagulls are in cahoots, as well.

  141. Knuckle Dragger

    Zyco, 1.33 pm;

    Natalie Roser? Those things would crush cannonballs into powder.

    Who decided to put Mal Meninga on the catwalk?

  142. notafan

    Tsing Boum Zula

    there is also some oblique discussion of Algiers and the secret police

    Seems to be some history there I was not aware of

    the series

  143. notafan

    Thanks guys

    just bought the series on eBay

  144. Woolfe

    Les Deplorables
    ‏@woolfe

    1 hour ago

    More
    Les Deplorables Retweeted The Australian
    Hey @ScottMorrisonMP maybe hawkes multi million $ estate could buy his childhood home not the ravaged taxpayer

  145. Knuckle Dragger

    Early typo.

    Zyco, 1.33 pm;

    Natalie Roser? Jeebus but look at the thighs on it. They’d crush cannonb#lls into powder.

    She’d outsquat Meninga at his peak.

    A certain winner of the Wycheproof King of the Mountain, a race to the top carrying a bag of wheat.

  146. Entropy

    Any word on when the spell appeal outcome is likely to be announced?

  147. Speedbox

    Memoryvault
    #3108763, posted on July 16, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    A final resolution has not been made. NASA (and assorted others) have proposed both although there are now serious thoughts about whether a Earth launched deep-space rocket (that becomes an interval space station) is viable and that station will subsequently be the ‘launch pad’ for the manned Mars mission. NASA are also working on that idea.

    It does seem clear that a rocket from Earth cannot carry sufficient supplies etc to get to Mars and even if it could, it would be a one-way journey which is not viable for a host of reasons. Therefore, a staging point will be necessary. Before any manned landing, there will be ‘exploratory’ manned missions that will circumnavigate Mars from a low orbit. Those missions will carry additional supplies to the ‘interval space station’ – that being the Moon, or elsewhere in space.

    Moon assembly does have some attractiveness however in that it allows a relatively nearby ‘workshop’ for assembly and, as new rocket propulsion technology is used, the ability to launch a substantial manned Mars rocket from that location is viable.

    There are whole range of issues and even though I watched Armstrong place the first human foot on the Moon, I doubt whether I will be alive to see the first footstep on Mars in 30 years from now. Nevertheless, I enjoy keeping tabs on the buildup.

  148. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    just bought the series on eBay

    Warning – the theme music is the ultimate ear worm.

  149. Sinclair Davidson

    Yep – been whistling the theme tune since notafan mentioned it.

  150. Tintarella di Luna

    Hotbed of hot-tub sexual assaults — who’da thunk — Girls behaving badly:

    from the Oz
    Warning: Graphic content

    A Melbourne woman was playing a kissing game in a hot tub at an alcohol-fuelled party when she sexually assaulted her roller derby teammates, a court has been told.

    Jennifer Peterson, 31, pleaded guilty in the County Court of Victoria on Monday to assaulting three women at the wild party on December 4, 2016, following a day spent drinking at the club’s Christmas function.

    Her lawyer, prominent barrister Julian McMahon SC, described the party at another teammate’s Brunswick East home, as a “highly sexualised environment saturated with alcohol”.

    “It’s clear there was a lot of nudity and it was a very tactile event, lots of bodies squashing into spas, lots of people engaging in a range of conduct from dancing naked to games such as ‘truth, dare or pash,’ and lots of people kissing each other,” he told the pre-sentencing hearing.

    “It’s a very unusual event, I haven’t seen another case like it.” He said his client has a “very hazy recollection of the night” as she was “obviously terribly drunk”.

    The prosecution argued while the evening was sexualised, there were boundaries. Peterson touched all three women on the vagina in the spa without consent, the prosecutor said.

    Peterson attempted three times to touch one victim’s vagina before eventually grabbing her “forcefully” and complaining when the woman pulled away.

    The following morning the woman woke to discover bite marks all over her chest, stomach and neck, believed to have been inflicted by Peterson.

    In a statement to court, the victim said she could no longer sleep without taking a cocktail of pills and alcohol.

    “I have never experienced this kind of trauma in my life … my life has changed in ways that can’t be undone,” her statement read.

    The woman still plays in the roller derby team but the environment reminds her of the assault.

    “I don’t let my guard down at my sporting club which is supposed to be a safe space,” she said.

    Peterson has depression and anxiety and was known to binge drink prior to the assault. From the Oz:

    Both the prosecution and the defence agreed a non-custodial sentence would be appropriate, although Mr McMahon hopes his client can avoid conviction.

    If convicted, she will be unable to work as a children’s swimming instructor, he said.

    Justice Gavan Meredith is due to sentence Peterson on July 23.

  151. Speedbox

    I should have mentioned that one big problem with the Moon is that its not useful as a ‘staging point’ for a returning spaceship.

    Getting off Mars has some issues but whatever rocket is used, it is unlikely it will be viable to link to a orbiter that will then return the full distance to Earth (or the Moon). The distances are just too great.

    Getting to Mars from the Moon = fine.
    Getting back to Earth, or the Moon, from Mars = problematic.

  152. John of Mel

    Can any tech savy cats tell me if W10 has improved, or is it still a pig?

    I’ve been on Win10 since it was only available in preview. Installed it on all laptops at home as soon as it was officially released (and it was free). I think it’s the best thing MS has produced. Granted, I’ve only been around computers since Win 3.0 as a user and Win98 as a developer. So maybe I missed out on something better, I don’t know.
    Never had any issues and it’s so much more usable than even Win7, which was a great OS for sure.
    Didn’t have any issues with migration from Win7 to Win10, even in its preview infancy.

  153. notafan

    I was around in the 70s

    I must have been busy doing something else

  154. mh

    Natalie Roser? Jeebus but look at the thighs on it. They’d crush cannonb#lls into powder.

    You come when she says.

  155. feelthebern

    A Melbourne woman was playing a kissing game in a hot tub at an alcohol-fuelled party when she sexually assaulted her roller derby teammates, a court has been told.

    Very surprised that lets-be-friends play roller derby.
    Next you’ll be saying that the Hockeyroos are all lesbians too.

  156. Roger

    Thanks guys

    just bought the series on eBay

    Enjoy!

    Those old school British detective series are good value.

  157. Sinclair Davidson

    The SABC bought it and dubbed it into Afrikaans. It used to be on a Saturday night from 7 – 8.

  158. Memoryvault

    I doubt whether I will be alive to see the first footstep on Mars in 30 years from now.

    Don’t jinx me Speedbox.
    I’m pushing 70 and I’m hoping to see it before I head off on the next great adventure.
    I’m hanging out for a landing by 2030, regardless of what the likelihood may be.
    It’s at least as likely as me being around then to see it.

  159. Eyrie

    Speedbox, do yourself a favour and look up the SpaceX Starship/Super Heavy. Starship is launched into orbit. Five tanker versions refuel it there. It is then capable of going to Mars and landing. Once refueled using ISRU it can launch, fly directly back to Earth, re-enter and land.
    NASA not required and I doubt you will be waiting 30 years. Elon is impatient and has the best space engineers going.
    He wants to be a real life D.D. Harriman. “Man Who Sold Mars”.

  160. Eyrie

    “Can any tech savy cats tell me if W10 has improved, or is it still a pig?”
    Been using it since it was released. No real problems to speak of.

  161. notafan

    The SABC bought it and dubbed it into Afrikaans. It used to be on a Saturday night from 7 – 8.

    There you go

    Saturday nights in the 70s

    definitely doing something else

  162. Shy Ted

    1737hrs this evening, a prolly delightful fillum Belle and Sebastian 2. Haven’t seen it but B&S was so picturesque. Can’t recommend anything else on the new channel that has been foisted on us SBS32 World Fillums but that’s just my xenophobia rather than the fact that they’re sheet.

  163. Eyrie

    In other good news the Dragon 2 anomaly seems to have been solved with a root cause found so SpaceX will shortly be launching people to low earth orbit.
    http://www.transterrestrial.com/2019/07/15/the-dragon-investigation/#comments

    That site has mostly aerospace engineers commenting.

  164. notafan

    Not the early seventies mind

    too young and my parents were pretty strict about TV

    the only time I ever saw Division 4 or Homicide was a couple of times at my grandparents

  165. Steve trickler

    A memorable moment for these young girls from Thailand.



  166. Memoryvault

    “It’s clear there was a lot of nudity and it was a very tactile event, lots of bodies squashing into spas, lots of people engaging in a range of conduct from dancing naked to games such as ‘truth, dare or pash,’ and lots of people kissing each other,” he told the pre-sentencing hearing.

    Sounds like my kind of party.
    Pity I never got invited to one like that.

  167. Johno

    OK thank you all for the W10 notes. Will take the dive tomorrow.

  168. Shy Ted

    Q for Bruce the bird feeder. I too am a bird feeder and most frequented by what is either a peewee or Pied Butcherbird and relatives. Happy with most scraps but they will not touch roadkill roo that I dice into little birdie-size pieces. Naturally I have searched the interweb thinking it might be the pungent nature but no great help. Make wicked jerky with the best cuts but one is advised not to mention roadkill when offering it to the curious.

  169. Sinclair Davidson

    definitely doing something else

    There was very little to do on the Free State goldfields in those days. Still the case.

  170. The Barking Toad

    St Kilda AFL coach Alan Richardson has been sacked.
    They’ve never recovered from the Heath Shaw intercept in the goal square in the 2000 GF replay – revenge for 1966.
    Richardson is better off out of there

  171. John of Mel

    OK thank you all for the W10 notes. Will take the dive tomorrow.

    No worries.
    Make sure you explore their Tips application after you install it.
    I’m in IT and I was glad I did it a couple of years ago. There is so much functionality you have no idea exists.
    Now I do it after a couple of regular Windows updates, because they keep adding new features.

  172. Tel

    Can any tech savy cats tell me if W10 has improved, or is it still a pig?

    The “Home” version is mightily annoying … but for a few hundred bucks extra you can get a “Pro” version … do a tedious clean reinstall (or pay more for someone else to do it) and you are then able to remove a lot of the garbage. I’m not sure how you see that as a business model, but no one forces you to use it 🙂

  173. notafan

    Not even on their wiki page!

  174. stackja

    There is no reason forcing users to dump Win 7. In January 2010 Win 7 loses support.
    A friend sent me this:
    Should you use Windows 7 in 2019?:

  175. Leigh Lowe

    Can any tech savy cats tell me if W10 has improved, or is it still a pig?

    Triggered!!
    I bought a MS Surface pro, Win10 and using Outlook, Excel, Word, Powerpoint.
    Hardware, operating system and applications all Microsoft, so nothing can go wrong, yeah?
    Nah.
    Shit.

  176. Sinclair Davidson

    Surface Pro is a beautiful machine – can’t see myself ever going back to a regular laptop.

  177. Johno

    Stackja, I only use my computer for email, a bit of browsing , the cat and downloading movies etc. I don’t do anything complicated, because I don’t know how and I don’t need to.
    I would like it to be supported though.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    St Kilda AFL coach Alan Richardson has been sacked.

    I suggest he is now limited to coaching Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Port Adelaide or Fremantle.
    With his lisp he could never coach Ethendon, Wetht Coatht, Thydney or Foothcray.

  179. mh

    Report: Actress Lashana Lynch Is the New 007

    Actress Lashana Lynch has been cast as the new 007, according to a report in the Guardian.

    The Guardian reports a “movie insider” says the next Bond film, which opens in April, has a “pivotal scene at the start of the film where M says, ‘Come in 007,’ and in walks Lashana who is black, beautiful and a woman,” the source said. “It’s a popcorn-dropping moment. Bond is still Bond but he’s been replaced as 007.”

    Lashana Lynch, who is 31, is probably best known as Captain Marvel’s best pal, Maria Rambeau.

    The source adds: “Bond, of course, is sexually attracted to the new female 007 and tries his usual seduction tricks, but is baffled when they don’t work on a brilliant, young black woman who basically rolls her eyes at him and has no interest in jumping into his bed. Well, certainly not at the beginning.”…

    (Breitbart)

  180. Steve trickler

    Beethoven, reincarnated would approve of this clip, whilst at the same time, issue a copyright strike on the EU and the use of his work for their Anthem.



  181. Bruce of Newcastle

    Shy Ted – I’ve never tried roo, only beef. I think one of the attractions of ordinary beef mince is the fat content, which roo tends not to have. The peewees, grey butcherbirds and pied butcherbirds all love the stuff.

  182. Shy Ted

    Bond, of course, is sexually attracted to the new female 007
    That’s going to take all of Daniel Craig’ acting skills.

  183. cuckoo

    Reminding me of the episode on IT crowd when douglas reynholm finds his ideal mate, after he doesn’t pay attention to April when she confesses she used to be a man (i say she because it was definitely a female actress).

    Very funny, I wonder after just a very short time that has elapsed since that story line whether it would be allowed to be made today.

    Or the (usually unfunny) recurring skit on Little Britain about the man who kept insisting he was a Layyydee. It got the point where he was about to undergo some x-ray in his nether regions, which the bored technician refused to administer on the patently obvious grounds that he was a man, not a woman. I’m sure the BBC don’t replay that one any more.

  184. Dr Fred Lenin

    Isee the US meeja is on a Trump is Racist trip , translated into Truthese that means he is not a bit racist ,theTruth is always the opposite of what the meeja says. The global communist fascists are trying to hijack the KKK party ,with these migrants from shitholes or kids of migrants from shitholes trying to take over from the existing epsteiners elitist “left” . Its good to see the elites being shafted by the racism they have espoused ,hoist with their own petard as it were . Once again the entitled being so smart they outsmarted themselves .
    The so called labor party smartasses here did that at the recent election . Unlike the uSA we dont have a Trump to fix the damage the globalists have done and are still doing

  185. Mater

    If you haven’t read this paper by Keith Windschuttle (from 2003), can I recommend you do. It’s only 10 easy pages but well worth the effort.

    http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/resources/pdfs/197.pdf

  186. Mother Lode

    Southeast Asia was crowded with archaic human groups long before we turned up

    Sure they may ‘ave been archaic, but they were ‘appy.

  187. Howard Hill

    What holds up the cable for the space elevator?

    Anyway, these space people are just a bit slow. They haven’t realised yet that powering space ships with hydrocarbons is foolery. Everyone else knows solar panels and windmills are much cheaper to run. Just strap 3 largish windmills with solar panel backup to the arse of a long pipe and getting into space will be a breaze :~)

  188. Howard Hill

    Oops, Breeze even!

  189. Speedbox

    Memoryvault
    #3108840, posted on July 16, 2019 at 2:15 pm

    Sorry MV, didn’t mean to burst your ‘hope’ bubble. I’m a bit younger than you but the technological challenges to land a man on Mars are so immense (not to mention the cost!!) that a 30 year timeframe is realistic. Manned orbital missions may occur within 15 years or so.

    I know that SpaceX have a different approach and to quote from their website “Our aspirational goal is to send our first cargo mission to Mars in 2022. A second mission, with both cargo and crew, is targeted for 2024, with primary objectives of building a propellant depot and preparing for future crew flights.” Both dates are fantasy.

    SpaceX have nominated 2022 and 2024 because the Mars orbit places it closest to Earth every 2 years or so. The next date is in October 2020 and even Musk probably would acknowledge that’s impossible.

    But is seems soooo easy when you just say “….with primary objectives of building a propellant depot and preparing for future crew flights.” Allowing for travel time, that construction will occur from 2025 after leaving Earth in 2024. Bullshit Elon, utter bullshit.

  190. Val Majkus

    about bird feeding … when I was a kid we used to take home roos which had been culled and give the meat to the kelpies … my father used to insist on it being cooked first because of worms

  191. pete m

    happy with my surface pro save it is slowed down by an outlook extension I need for work

    also it helps to turn it off before closing lid – got a few errors not doing this and by closing it down (sleep mode) it starts up each time.

    If you have $ get the faster processor too

    otherwise been happy with it

    hate apple computers and will never buy their macs – see them with school stuff and always trying to fix things for kids / wife using them

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just strap 3 largish windmills with solar panel backup to the arse of a long pipe and getting into space will be a breaze :~)

    They already look like rockets.
    Fill a wind turbine with propellant and light the bottom of it.
    If you are successful it will be the first wind turbine in orbit!
    You will have made history.
    If you fail, fill in the crater and try the next one.
    Surely one of the 250,000 of them on the planet will get to orbit.
    We must try each one just to make sure.

  193. Shy Ted

    Thanks Bruce of N. Sometimes I think they only come here to poop on my verandah but they are all God’ little creatures and as we concrete over their feeding grounds I feel we need to help them along a bit.
    In recent times I had an email argument about native vegetation preservation with an associate professor of politics (specializing in climate change) where he wanted to have my paragliding takeoff area designated as a native vegetation protection zone (it’s small and grassy). He was quite unable to answer my CAPITALISED QUESTION about how a road, house block and garden or a farm were OK but my little play area wasn’t. Maybe if he’d been a proper perfesser…

  194. Shy Ted

    How good is Australia wivout having vat moron Shorten on ve box every few minutes?

  195. Mother Lode

    Actress Lashana Lynch has been cast as the new 007, according to a report in the Guardian.

    And when people stay home in droves when the movie comes out, they will be excoriated as racists and sexists.

    Another change of formula with the same name (like New Coke) – and which they will not be able to understand the reception except by abusing the customers who they disappointed.

    Honestly if they wanted a black female super-spy (Lesbian if they want. And vegetarian. Even cetacean!) how hard can it be to invent one? Well inventing is easy. Making people want to watch it on the other hand…

  196. cohenite

    That’s how I remember the anniversary of the first moon landing.

    Arguably the most inspirational achievement by humanity and the troll is bogged down in the minutiae of the politics of the Vietnam war. Fuck off troll.

  197. Chris

    db – Marriage between a man and a woman is good. I believe any other union is unnatural.

    I support the inclusion among ‘good’ unions, of the Incorporated Association, the Limited Liability Corporation, and the Oath of the Horatii.

  198. thefrollickingmole

    Boris just keeps on getting better and better…
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/15/boris-johnson-islam-muslim-world-centuries-behind-2007-essay
    Upsetting all the right people.

    Boris Johnson has been strongly criticised for arguing Pigslam has caused the Mums world to be “literally centuries behind” the west, in an essay unearthed by the Guardian.

    Writing about the rise of the religion in an appendix added to a later edition of The Dream of Rome, his 2006 book about the Roman empire, Johnson said there was something about Pigslam that hindered development in parts of the globe and, as a result, “Mums grievance” was a factor in virtually every conflict.

    Johnson’s argument was described as disconcerting and problematic by Tell Mama, which monitors anti-Mum hate and said he had demonstrated a lack of understanding of the religion. The Mums Council of Britain (MCB) said many people would like to know if the favourite to become the next prime minister still believed “Pigslam inherently inhibits the path to progress and freedom”.

    The answer would be “Yes unequivocally yes”, most other explanations veer off into stormpunt territory about genetics.

    Its culture.

    And the attempt to get “gotchas” shows just how shallow their own knowledge of what they report about is.
    ….

    After describing the beauty of the Sistine Chapel, Johnson wrote: “There is nothing like it in Pigslam art of that or any age, not just because it is beyond the technical accomplishment of Pigslamic art, but because it is so theologically offensive to Pigslam.”

    Thats meant to show how ignorant he is.

    What hes referring to is obviously this.
    The widespread acceptance of a basic (but not always followed) bar on depicting human and often animals based on a Hadith.
    ….
    “It is extraordinary to think that under the Roman/Byzantine empire, the city of Constantinople kept the candle of learning alight for a thousand years, and that under Ottoman rule, the first printing press was not seen in Istanbul until the middle of the nineteenth century. Something caused them to be literally centuries behind.”

    Again a very good choice of example, the Ottomans were fantastically wealthy and powerful for centuries, what stopped them??
    If you reject the social/political then how do you explain it?
    Remember we are fed the line that its only on the backs of slaves the “west” became rich, ignoring the same practices persisting long after it was banned and the Yanks had their little civil war.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

    Id even make the argument that slavery retarded countries which didnt get rid of it.

  199. zyconoclast

    A Melbourne woman was playing a kissing game in a hot tub at an alcohol-fuelled party

    When and why did drunken become alcohol-fuelled?

  200. Nick

    When and why did drunken become alcohol-fuelled?

    When lessos are involved.

  201. thefrollickingmole

    Without the link. Googling a section should get you the article.

    Boris just keeps on getting better and better…

    Upsetting all the right people.

    Boris Johnson has been strongly criticised for arguing Pigslam has caused the Mums world to be “literally centuries behind” the west, in an essay unearthed by the Guardian.

    Writing about the rise of the religion in an appendix added to a later edition of The Dream of Rome, his 2006 book about the Roman empire, Johnson said there was something about Pigslam that hindered development in parts of the globe and, as a result, “Mums grievance” was a factor in virtually every conflict.

    Johnson’s argument was described as disconcerting and problematic by Tell Mama, which monitors anti-Mum hate and said he had demonstrated a lack of understanding of the religion. The Mums Council of Britain (MCB) said many people would like to know if the favourite to become the next prime minister still believed “Pigslam inherently inhibits the path to progress and freedom”.

    The answer would be “Yes unequivocally yes”, most other explanations veer off into stormpunt territory about genetics.

    Its culture.

    And the attempt to get “gotchas” shows just how shallow their own knowledge of what they report about is.
    ….

    After describing the beauty of the Sistine Chapel, Johnson wrote: “There is nothing like it in Pigslam art of that or any age, not just because it is beyond the technical accomplishment of Pigslamic art, but because it is so theologically offensive to Pigslam.”

    Thats meant to show how ignorant he is.

    What hes referring to is obviously this.
    The widespread acceptance of a basic (but not always followed) bar on depicting human and often animals based on a Had ith.
    ….
    “It is extraordinary to think that under the Roman/Byzantine empire, the city of Constantinople kept the candle of learning alight for a thousand years, and that under Ottoman rule, the first printing press was not seen in Istanbul until the middle of the nineteenth century. Something caused them to be literally centuries behind.”

    Again a very good choice of example, the Ottomans were fantastically wealthy and powerful for centuries, what stopped them??
    If you reject the social/political then how do you explain it?
    Remember we are fed the line that its only on the backs of slaves the “west” became rich, ignoring the same practices persisting long after it was banned and the Yanks had their little civil war.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

    Id even make the argument that slavery retarded countries which didnt get rid of it.

  202. TheFrollickingMoll:

    Just how mant times can the Dems get wrong footed by Trump before they finally admit maybe he isnt just “dumb” and lucky..again.

    I’ve been thinking over the last few weeks – Trump may indeed be the man who destroys the Democrat Party machine.
    The rifts are opening and the Dems may just disappear into one of them.
    Hopefully a sane Democrat party may arise.

  203. Chris

    Fill a wind turbine with propellant and light the bottom of it.
    If you are successful it will be the first wind turbine in orbit!

    Bro-in-law was showing some absolutely fantastic photos he took in Portugal. I commented about some wind turbines he included “I wonder if they are subsidy farms, like in Australia.”
    Hee hee! He and S-I-L were early members of Get-Up. I think they are now laying in supplies of garlic and crosses.

  204. zyconoclast

    Just strap 3 largish windmills with solar panel backup to the arse of a long pipe and getting into space will be a breaze :~)

    That reads like the missing paragraph from the A Melbourne woman was playing a kissing game in a hot tub at an alcohol-fuelled party when she s3xually assaulted her roller derby teammates, a court has been told. story.

  205. Howard Hill

    Great, where can we get solar powered propellant to fill the pipe, BON.
    Would a solar-wind-powered still count?
    We could have a problem though? That Brown shit from Tasmania might complain about the view from earth.

  206. egg_

    Actress Lashana Lynch has been cast as the new 007,

    Jane Non-Blond, 007?

  207. Stackja:

    db – Marriage between a man and a woman is good. I believe any other union is unnatural.

    Hang on, wot about my Beagle?

  208. egg_

    A Melbourne woman was playing a kissing game in a hot tub at an alcohol-fuelled party

    Were Albo and Shorto in attendance?

  209. Knuckle Dragger

    Heath Shaw running down Riewoldt in the 2010 GF.

    The flag was won at that juncture.

    One of the great moments in history. Up there with Jesaulenko.

  210. zyconoclast

    Herald and Age lose appeal against Chris Gayle defamation win

    In a judgment on Tuesday, the court dismissed an appeal against Mr Gayle’s victory brought by the Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times, and ordered the publications to pay costs. It also dismissed a cross-appeal brought by Mr Gayle to increase the size of his damages payout.

  211. Howard Hill

    Jane Non-Blond, 007?

    She’ll only identify as James Bond. I heard one of the leading actors is named, Dicky Galore :~)

  212. egg_

    She’ll only identify as James Bond.

    Will she wrestle with Alotta Vagina and Ivana Humpalot?

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Daniel Craig is now officially the last 007.

    This current parody will be treated, and consigned to history as such.

    Clearly its makers have traded on the blockbusting Godzilla that was the all-vagina Ghostbusters, among others.

    Idiots. Sean Connery would have (and should have) backhanded the marketing and casting dicks until they saw common sense through the stars.

  214. Mother Lode

    I support the inclusion among ‘good’ unions, of the Incorporated Association, the Limited Liability Corporation, and the Oath of the Horatii.

    What about the sacred bond between bank and prey?

  215. Howard Hill

    I don’t know, but, VladimirCutyacockoff is playing as a trans gender bad guy, err person.

  216. thefrollickingmole

    The new strap on Bond will lead Hollywood to the only obvious conclusion if it fails.

    Their audience has failed them.
    And they must try harder next time to rub their little noses in diversity.

    Mind you there is some very funny and rather racist memes popping up already, it might be a massive shit show.

    They also have Chinny McChinnigan of woketown scripting some of it, her main claim to fame being playing a posh slut and failure.

  217. Mother Lode

    After describing the beauty of the Sistine Chapel, Johnson wrote: “There is nothing like it in Pigslam art of that or any age, not just because it is beyond the technical accomplishment of Pigslamic art, but because it is so theologically offensive to Pigslam.

    Reminds me of the part in the famous Churchill quote where he refers to a ‘degraded sensualism’.

  218. Shy Ted

    A comforting reply from my payroll office –
    I am sorry we can not produce a PAYG any more since the introduction of Single Touch Payroll (STP).
    If you require a final payment summary the only way to get this is now via your myGov account. If you have your tax done by an agent they can also access figures on your behalf.
    As this is a new system there have been some technical issues and the Tax Office are suggesting waiting until the end of July when hopefully any problems will be sorted

    Technical issues my arse.

  219. Bear Necessities

    She’ll only identify as James Bond.

    Will she wrestle with Alotta Vagina and Ivana Humpalot?

    She could wrestle with Larry Longprong?

  220. stackja

    Barbara Dana Broccoli OBE (born June 18, 1960) is an American film producer known for her work on the James Bond film series.

    Broccoli is the daughter of the James Bond producer Albert R. “Cubby” Broccoli and actress Dana Wilson Broccoli (born Dana Natol). In 1995, Cubby Broccoli handed over control of Eon Productions, the production company responsible for the James Bond series of films, to Barbara and her half-brother Michael G. Wilson; they continue to run the company as of 2019.

    From Wikipedia

  221. Dr Fred Lenin

    Just a question where did Hawkes reputed $15 plus come from ? What was the sourceof this wealth? Was tax payed on this large amount of mysterious money?
    Simple questions needing truthfull answers .

  222. The Barking Toad

    Up there with Jesaulenko.

    In the back to Jerka – I’m not biased (:)

  223. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just a question where did Hawkes reputed $15 plus come from ? What was the sourceof this wealth?

    Don’t have a reference, but wasn’t there the odd business consultancy, and wasn’t he on the board of a few companies?

  224. The Barking Toad

    What was the sourceof this wealth?

    Taking advantage of defamation laws settlements in the ACT.

  225. notafan

    Mr Boochani added that the spike in self-harm cases that plagued Manus Island following the Liberal party victory in the May federal election had stabilised.

    At the height of the crisis, which saw more than 25 refugees and asylum seekers attempt

    suicide or self-harm,

    the main hospital on the island was unable to cope with the sudden surge in patients and was forced to turn people away.

    and they all died

    oh wait a minute

    none of them did

    they are all still there moaning about how they don’t want to come to Australia

    Manus refugee says most of the remaining detainees don’t want to come to Australia

  226. Not Uh oh

    stackja
    #3108940, posted on July 16, 2019 at 4:21 pm
    Barbara Dana Broccoli OBE (born June 18, 1960) is an American film producer

    I’m glad my surname isn’t ‘Broccoli”

  227. notafan

    The 15 mill is just what the house at Northbridge was worth

    purchased with Hazel in 1991 for 1.23 but obviously had a bit spent on it

  228. notafan

    main residence exemption

    tax free gain btw

  229. Speedbox

    So, if it is correct that this woman is playing 007, then I presume the ‘James Bond’ name will necessarily be retired and the franchise becomes just ‘007’. If they introduce her as 007 in the upcoming movie, they can’t then just dump her for a male who assumes the 007 title in the next movie.

    Given that the Twitterati and assorted social media warriors will applaud the change in skin colour and gender, any change back to a male (much less a white one) will be ‘courageous’ to say the least.

  230. Indolent

    I’m glad my surname isn’t ‘Broccoli”

    I believe a member of that family discovered/invented the vegetable, so they had the name first.

  231. cohenite

    Any Bond after Roger Moore started is not worth watching. Actually I’ve pared it down to 2: From Russia and Goldfinger with an honourable mention to On Her Majesty. The rest are either bad jokes or pre-woke neurotic diggle-danglers.

  232. The Barking Toad

    Welcome to Big Brother – 1984 – MyGov

    What about those that don’t have a computer?

    Same as the Age Pensioners some years ago – poor old widows waiting to get their statement from Centrelink to get their tax returns done – ring Centrelink and after a few hours of pushing buttons and being told to hold – “we don’t send them out, you have to go online and download it”

    Poor old Duck – “what’s online mean”

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