Tuesday Forum: July 16, 2019

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  1. notafan

    Read about him Bruce

    of course it depends on your moral perspective but in mine I would say he is a very bad man

  2. notafan

    Shy Ted are they oatmeal biscuits with a layer of chocolate?

    Look good.

  3. Last night I ran across this documentary about Pervetin – (methamphetamine + cocaine + other yummy stuff.) Quite interesting, and well worth the 58 minutes.

  4. old bloke

    Tom
    #3111021, posted on July 19, 2019 at 10:44 am

    For US politics junkies (like me): the full back story of Ilhan Omar’s sham family and sham marriage.

    Thanks for that Tom, that’s some good detective work there.

  5. notafan

    Of course Trump didn’t actually merely repeat the claim.

    He responded to a question from a reporter.

    Reporter Emerald Robinson asked the president “if the administration was looking into possible immigration fraud committed by Ilhan Omar for possibly marrying her brother.”

    “Well, there’s a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it,” Trump said.

    “I hear she was married to her brother. You’re asking me a question about it. I don’t know, but I’m sure there’s somebody who will be looking at that,” he added.

    at ny post

  6. max

    That trailer for the new Top Gun.

    Shouldn’t it have the Beyond Blue number attached ? It’s got a white jock suicidal death wish feel to it.

  7. Geriatric Mayfly

    The adult eagle at glaciergardens.com has just brought in a consignment of tucker for the chicks ferried in a plastic bag.mI hope she disposes of it responsibly!

    It’s still on the platform despite the clear Hazard Warning on the side. ‘Do Not Leave This Bag Within Reach of Chicks.’

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Greens senator Nick McKim deported from PNG for trying to visit asylum-seeker centre

    Matthew Denholm
    Tasmania Correspondent
    @MatthewRDenholm
    10:28AM July 19, 2019
    166 Comments

    Papua New Guinea has defended its decision to deny Greens senator Nick McKim access to an asylum seeker centre, accusing him of placing “undue pressure” on a junior immigration officer and ignoring protocols.

    Mr McKim is being deported from Papua New Guinea after trying to visit the centre on Manus Island.

    PNG chief migration officer Solomon Kantha said Senator McKim failed to seek formal approval to visit East Lorengau asylum seeker centre, and had instead “demanded” entry.

    “It is regrettable that he appears to have attempted to circumvent the processes that are known to him and in doing so, placed undue pressure on a junior ICA (Immigration and Citizenship Authority) officer who was simply performing their duties,” Mr Kantha said.

    “Mr McKim has demonstrated a flagrant disregard for PNG and contempt for the organisations he claims to represent.”

    Senator McKim earlier said he was being deported from PNG after being denied access to the centre and temporarily having his passport seized.

    Mr Kantha said Senator McKim had been issued a visitor visa on entry to the country and was not an official visitor.

    “Mr McKim would be aware that all persons seeking entry to a centre must seek appropriate authorisation,” he said. “He has done this in the past and access has been approved. However, in this instance, Mr McKim has simply attended the gates and demanded entry.”

    Mr McKim said his passport was confiscated after he tried to enter the East Lorengau facility yesterday and he was later issued a deportation notice.

    From the Oz. I did rejoice, until I read that he was being deported TO Australia..

  9. mh #3110958, posted on July 19, 2019 at 9:51 am
    How much do Australian taxpayers hand over to the Trump hating CNN every year?
    The ABC constantly replays CNN, and there must be a cost for doing so.

    A piece of video from my CCTV was shown on one of those “funniest home videos” type shows in the USA.

    It was shown all around the world, every similar themed show bought it.

    I was paid $900 by each station that ran it.
    For a nothing clip, seen by not many people, & remembered by almost none.

    Their ABC would be paying a King’s Ransom to CNN.

  10. Geriatric Mayfly

    From the Oz. I did rejoice, until I read that he was being deported TO Australia..

    Likewise. It should have been Heard Island, still Oz but far less easy to be the vexatious idiot clamouring for a headline.

  11. mh

    Socrates, I’m curious now.

    What was the cctv footage of?

  12. It should have been Heard Island,

    or the 1st candidate for hell on earth, Brunswick.

  13. Muddy

    Massacre dad will never be freed

    Anthony Harvey is the first person in WA who will never be released from jail over the stabbing murder of his wife, children and mother-in-law.

    (From the Oz)

    And the Queensland woman who killed how many children? Eight? Not all of them being her own? We don’t even know her name, do we? Has she been on The Projekt yet? In Woman’s Day?

    Fondle.My.Donkey.

  14. Mother Lode

    Greens senator Nick McKim deported from PNG for trying to visit asylum-seeker centre

    Greens are such prima donnas you can expect to hear him trumpeting that the centre had something to hide, and that was why he was denied entry.

    Presumably when they apply to enter through normal channels they are required to state the purpose of the visit, which areas, what they will do etc. This would give authorities a chance to prepare.

    I suspect he did not want them to be prepared, but in his mind he was going to come riding in on his splendid white electric vegan charger and tear open the whole rotten stinking carcass of asylum concentration camps.

    In his mind, anyway.

  15. Socrates, I’m curious now.
    What was the cctv footage of?

    A bloke being chased along the street by two other blokes.
    I couldn’t see anything special or funny about it.

  16. Geriatric Mayfly

    or the 1st candidate for hell on earth, Brunswick.

    Ah! The memories. As a callow youth, I used walk along Dawson Street every morning. Past the Town Hall and heading west. The biggest hazard was an iron foundry, from which issued the most pungent fumes. Miller’s twine next then at the other end Hoffman’s Brick works. By the sweat of their brow, workers engaged in all. The Italians had recently moved in. Has this happy snapshot from the past been
    defaced?

  17. Mother Lode:
    Lefties have a marvelous world where they can do that stuff, the unfortunate thing for them is that this world only happens in their dreams and their heads.

  18. I forgot to mention/ask that if anyone sees Gab around, to remind her that President Trump is still in the big chair in the US, and Bill Shorten doesn’t occupy the same position in Australia.
    She may have forgotten.

  19. Farmer Gez

    Lord give me strength!

    Once upon a time I was part of an international grains industry peak body. Every year a conference was held at rather nice locations across the globe.

    I’ve just seen a YouTube clip from the first female president of the organisation, a woman I know.

    She’s gone to the dark side and starts off telling us how great it is to be the first female president and how she hopes it serves to inspire other women.

    This is before she even mentions the venue, the sponsors or the speakers. Lacks a lot in humility and protocol in my opinion. She’s American.

  20. P

    Deputy PM Michael McCormack accused of disputing evidence of global heating

    Australia’s deputy prime minister, Michael McCormack, had told a constituent in Wagga Wagga he disputed evidence of global heating because historical weather measurements might be inaccurate, according to notes from a meeting last month.
    The Wagga City Council, at the heart of McCormack’s electorate, declared a climate change emergency last week.

    Beck and other community members in Wagga have begun “Fridays for the Future” demonstrations, where they picnic in a small park near McCormack’s office. Beck says the deputy prime minister told her she should abandon the actions and “do something useful like volunteer for Meals on Wheels instead”.

  21. Val Majkus

    Beck says the deputy prime minister told her she should abandon the actions and “do something useful like volunteer for Meals on Wheels instead”.

    good on him!

  22. JC

    Leigh

    I’m really really uncomfortable with the latest Epstein saga. Law enforcement did a Pell. They went on TV and asked any victim to come forward and speak to them. How many crazed loons is that going to entice out of their caves?…. Especially there.

    And yes, he is an evil swine who most likely has re-offended.

  23. John Constantine

    Pervetin isn’t just panzer chocolate anymore.

    Hezbollah discovered the strong effect of the pill on its fighters and began to manufacture it commercially to bankroll its operations. For years, Lebanon was the world’s biggest producer of the drug, including cheap imitations: At its height, drugs were believed to have yielded Hezbollah an annual income of $6 billion, three times the amount that Iran gives the organization.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-the-drugs-that-link-isis-and-the-nazis-1.5425076

    A ladder, a boltcutter a crowbar and some pervetin is all Iran’s australian based crime syndicate needs to fuel up a skippy junkie to short out an electrical substation.

  24. pete m

    ignore dopey:

    Cohen plea was a transparent attempt to gin up a campaign finance indictment against Trump, but when Trump and his legal team told them to “fuck off”, the prosecutors had the good sense to not pursue a case that was going to get tossed out of court. It was never a violation of campaign finance law to begin with- that is how Trump “got away with it”.

    Cohen is in jail for all the other crimes he committed- particularly the bank fraud.

  25. Memoryvault

    Good afternoon P.

    It’s a pity that our intrepid Liberal politicians have started to back away from “climate change” when, in fact, it is changing, and rapidly. Just in the wrong direction.

    The beauty of the current “climate change” meme is that it can now be pedaled for the next thirty years without fear of contradiction. By the time it becomes obvious that the planet is cooling, all the current generation will have died off, and the new generation will buy it as “fact” that cooling was always the problem.

    It has to be admitted that the game plan is clever. Fiendishly clever, yes, even horribly, evilly clever. But clever all the same.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    What a surprise.….

    No charges Numbers. If there had been even a sniff the far-left NY AG would have gone for the jugular. Which means he’s clean. Again.

  27. John Constantine

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/08/jeffrey-epstein-called-sexual-predator-as-prosecutors-seek-no-bail.html

    The seized photos included some of “at least one girl, who, according to her counsel, was underage at the time the relevant photographs were taken,” prosecutors told the judge in a court filing.

    Federal agents who searched Epstein’s $77 million Upper East Side townhouse in Manhattan also found “in a locked safe … compact discs with hand-written labels including the following: ‘Young [Name] + [Name],’ ‘Misc nudes 1,’ and ‘Girl pics nudes,’ ” according to a new court filing in Epstein’s case.

    Felt so protected he kept kid photos.

    Personally i don’t care what loophole they get him on.

    I am truly interested where the funding came from, the source of the wealth seems well disguised, so that is the real story. If he slips while weightlifting and chokes on the bar, we can have a rough guess as to what silence means.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-corruption/ex-un-general-assembly-president-died-in-weight-lifting-accident-idUSKCN0Z82VX

  28. Speedbox

    Hey JC. What do you think about Facebook’s Libra. Below is an edited part of a larger message from Money Morning:

    As you know, Facebook has been copping a pasting by US authorities this week over their Libra project. After all, we’re talking about a consortium of up to 100 massive corporations pooling resources to build a financial reserve.

    That reserve will then be used to underpin a cryptocurrency that’ll be used across their global networks, spanning billions of people to bring financial services to the masses.

    It’s could be the single biggest redistribution of global financial power we’ve ever seen.…if it actually goes ahead.

    On Tuesday, Head of Libra, David Marcus made some interesting opening statements addressing his Senate hearing. He said: ‘We are only at the beginning of this journey. We will take the time to get this right. We expect the review of Libra to be the most extensive ever, we are committed to working with regulators in the US and around the world.’ ‘[We are] developing a safe, secure and low cost way for people to efficiently move money around the world.’

    We’re not of the view that US regulators are going to stamp out Facebook’s lofty goals with Libra outright. But it will likely be an overly regulated shadow of the originally intended ideal. Libra has every chance of being more PayPal than Bitcoin when this plays out in the wash.

    This direction is likely because the US regulators can and will regulate companies like Facebook. But they can’t and won’t regulate truly decentralised networks like Bitcoin, simply because they can’t.

    Big Tech isn’t opposed to the concepts of decentralised finance. There’s a reason why Jack Dorsey and his companies are moving into this space. There’s a reason why Facebook is trying to launch Libra. There’s a reason why Microsoft researchers are constantly looking at ways to integrate and work with blockchain networks like Tezos, Chainlink and others.

    Cryptocurrency and decentralised, distributed blockchain networks will be a core foundation of our world in the next 100 years. It will be the foundation of the New Empire. And it’s these networks that new commerce, industry, finance and social networks, will be built on although that doesn’t mean that everything is going to be built around a cryptocurrency.

    Whether it’s authentication, logistics or gaming, there are immeasurable opportunities for a world in which the New Empire is built by the corporations. Decentralised networks and the technology revolution they bring will put that power back in your hands.

  29. Memoryvault

    If he slips while weightlifting and chokes on the bar, we can have a rough guess as to what silence means.

    You mean like when the alleged John Friedrich committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head.
    A few times.

    With his left hand.

    While being guarded by ASIO officers.

  30. notafan

    The New Republic officially retracted an opinion essay titled “My Mayor Pete Problem” about 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg after online backlash.
    In an Editor’s Note, The New Republic said it regretted publishing the piece, which contained “inappropriate and invasive content.”

    A magazine retracted an essay with ‘inappropriate and invasive content’ about Pete Buttigieg after sparking backlash

  31. P

    Hi MV,

    More Australian councils declare a climate emergency

    Close to three million Australians are living in a declared “climate emergency”, as more local councils take a stand and demand urgent action.

    Federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley did not say if she would declare such an emergency, but she thinks local councils should focus on dealing with local environmental issues, such as household rubbish.

  32. John Constantine

    Their abc turnbullite sarah henderson tipped to be handed a senate spot in return for services to turnbullism.

    Defeated Corangamite Liberal MP Sarah Henderson has the backing of Prime Minister Scott Morrison to fill a Victorian Senate vacancy ahead of the husband of former Liberal Sophie Mirabella.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/an-act-of-treachery-liberal-mp-rejects-dutton-offer-20180823-p4zz78.html

  33. 1735099

    Which means he’s clean.

    He’s about as clean as Rasputin, who was another self-proclaimed genius.
    Rasputin, however, was slightly better looking.

  34. notafan

    Sophie Mirabella would have been perfect for head explosions all round

    Gutless.

  35. Percy Popinjay

    MV – here’s a report transposed from trove about the regrettable fatal event experienced by Herr Friedrich:

    John Friedrich, 41, takes his secrets to the grave

    MELBOURNE: The former head of the National Friedrich Council, John Friedrich, has been found shot dead near Sale in Victoria’s south-east, police confirmed late last night.

    A police spokesman said Friedrich’s body had been found in a paddock near his family property in Seaton, about 30km north-west of Sale.

    The spokesman said a firearm had been found near Friedrich’s body. Police believe there are no suspicious circumstances.

    Friedrich was facing 103 Victorian fraud charges involving about $265 million arising from the collapse of the NFC in Victoria.

  36. Memoryvault

    Close to three million Australians are living in a declared “climate emergency”, as more local councils take a stand and demand urgent action.

    I know, P.
    Trouble is, they’re tackling the wrong “climate emergency”. They want to tackle “global warming” by reducing CO2 output, which is actually irrelevant.

    Meanwhile, China, India, Russia, and now under Trump, the USA, are all building power generation plants hand over fist to tackle what’s actually coming.

    I grieve for my grandchildren, and have taken what steps I can so my son and DiL, plus a small group of friends, can survive the coming economic and political holocaust. But at the end of the day I won’t be here, so ultimately it will be up to themselves.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    He’s about as clean as Rasputin

    Wussians!

  38. Tel

    Federal agents who searched Epstein’s $77 million Upper East Side townhouse in Manhattan also found “in a locked safe … compact discs with hand-written labels including the following: ‘Young [Name] + [Name],’ ‘Misc nudes 1,’ and ‘Girl pics nudes,’ ” according to a new court filing in Epstein’s case.

    If those were sitting with no password then Epstein deserves to go down bigtime … if we presume no unfortunate accidents.

  39. Mother Lode

    Beck says the deputy prime minister told her she should abandon the actions and “do something useful like volunteer for Meals on Wheels instead”.

    They love humanity. They hate people.

    Humanity, being an abstraction, can be served through symbolism, protocols, and talkfests.

    Some of the people they would meet in Meals on Wheels have sores, some are incontinent, some are suffering (which is never pleasant to look at).

    Have you ever noticed how often lefties try to push a cause by piggy backing it on pleasant activities? Picnics, walkathons, carnivals. Actual hard slog, the real issue being painstakingly disguised, would attract no one.

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    Wahayyy!

    The Currant Bun’s (paywalled) interweb page is reporting former golfer and sports radio host (and Tom’s mate) Mark Allen has somehow managed to come back from stage 4 bowel cancer, with a bit of lung cancer thrown in.

    Cost him a fair bit of his insides though, apparently.

    Well done that man.

  41. Memoryvault

    Some of the people they would meet in Meals on Wheels have sores . . .

    Too true, Mother Lode.
    Meals on Wheels is a great eye opener to how many are forced to live in this “Lucky Country”.

    Six months of some form of National Service should be compulsory on finishing high school. Military service would be an option, but there would be alternatives to choose. Preparing and delivering meals on wheels would be an ideal option, as would serving as a paramedic in an ambulance.

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Friedrich was facing 103 Victorian fraud charges involving about $265 million arising from the collapse of the NFC in Victoria.

    Wanted in Germany on fraud charges as well, IIRC.

  43. notafan

    You put me in mind of something I read recently by St Teresa of Calcutta ML

    It was a story of how St Francis of Assisi met a badly disfigured leper and overcame his natural repugnance and kissed the leper.

    It takes something to do that.

    And you are right progs don’t have it

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Left now thinks Trump is Superman.
    CNN’s April Ryan on Trump: ‘No One Has Found the Kryptonite’
    Does that mean BO is Lex Luthor?

  45. dover_beach

    That sounds awfully like you judging my statements as incorrect. Which you’re entitled to do, of course.

    Change my mind about my values, McJudgey.

    Oh, right. You can’t.

    KD, this began when you claimed that ‘morality was subjective’. You tried to justify this claim by saying, among other things, that you‘personally don’t like others being hurt’ and that ‘projecting your morality (which for you means your personal preferences) on others is stupid and useless’. In turn I simply showed that this meant that if you witnessed an old lady being robbed as she walked down the street all you could say given your two statements above, is while you didn’t like seeing old ladies beaten and robbed in the street you could not intervene since that would involve you ‘projecting your morality’ on the robber. Nothing you have said since has countered this simple point.

  46. Chris

    Nothing you have said since has countered this simple point.

    It is SO irritating watching people argue with my NDU undergraduate son, who did very well in the compulsory philosophy unit.
    He traps them at the initial premises and one move later…
    Of course, many years of dealing with the public (including any number of complete scrotes) would demonstrate the fragility of clever words…

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A Defence Magistrate has found a female sailor not guilty of two counts of assault, saying a bum slap and a nipple cripple were simply ‘horseplay’ between ‘skylarking’ sailors.
    Campbell Gellie, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    July 19, 2019 6:51am

    A Defence magistrate has found a bum slap and a nipple cripple are acceptable forms of “horseplay” between “skylarking” sailors.

    The ruling came as Able Seaman Hannah Clayton was found not guilty of two charges of assault yesterday, after a three-day Defence trial in Sydney.

    Defence Magistrate Wing Commander Joana Fuller found there was not enough evidence to prove Clayton had slapped Seaman Jarrad Pluckrose’s bottom and pinched his nipple while they were at category training at HMAS Cerberus in October 2017.

    The magistrate said the bum slap was most likely an accident, while she did not believe the nipple tweaking occurred. Even if the events had happened, she said, it would have been part of accepted “horseplay” between the pair.

  48. Memoryvault

    slapped Seaman Jarrad Pluckrose’s bottom and pinched his nipple

    Evening Zulu.

    I wonder if the magistrate would have found differently if Seaman Fuller was a bloke, and Seaman Pluckrose self-identified as a woman.

  49. egg_

    A Defence Magistrate has found a female sailor not guilty of two counts of assault, saying a bum slap and a nipple cripple were simply ‘horseplay’ between ‘skylarking’ sailors.

    The fairer sex can do no wrong.
    /Lizzie Borden

  50. egg_

    slapped Seaman Jarrad Pluckrose’s bottom and pinched his nipple

    Can I do the same to the Magistrate on her way out the door?

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder if the magistrate would have found differently if Seaman Fuller was a bloke, and Seaman Pluckrose self-identified as a woman.

    The sentence would have involved keelhauling, surely.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    As I said earlier, the ABC better get their Beijing correspondent out ASAP.

    Australia “deeply disappointed” by writer’s detention in China

    Yang was detained in the southern city of Guangzhou in January, while waiting for a transfer to Shanghai after flying in from New York, where he was a visiting scholar at Columbia University.

    The Huawei snub and the 4 Corners exposé will have annoyed the CCP quite a lot. The ABC may think they’re fellow travellers but that won’t stop their kiddies finding out all about gulags from the inside.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    Memoryvault

    #3111189, posted on July 19, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    You mean like when the alleged John Friedrich committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head.
    A few times.

    With his left hand.

    While being guarded by ASIO officers.

    Yeah, nah.
    FriedRice was a common or garden thief and a yuuuge fantasist (*).
    The enquiry into his scam continued after he topped himself, so absolutely no-one else had anything to gain by his death. That is, it was all coming out in the wash whether he was dead or alive.
    He used to hint that he had espionage connections, but that was just part of his bullshit Walter Mitty personality.
    Anyone who imagines CIA operatives are self-promoting flogs who run monster publicly visible entities as a cover are dreaming.
    .
    * had imaginary Cubist girlfriends.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    One for Mitch:

    Breakthrough pancreatic cancer treatment phase III trial opens in Israel

    Rafael Pharmaceuticals launched a phase-3 clinical trial on Thursday for pancreatic cancer at eight sites throughout Israel. The primary investigator is Dr. Talia Golan, head of Sheba Medical Center’s Pancreatic Cancer Center.

    “With pancreatic cancer being the fourth leading cause of cancer death in Israel, we wanted to expand the trial to a region in need,” said Howard Jonas, chairman of Rafael.

    I have no idea of the veracity of that final claim. Amazing if it is true.

  55. Tailgunner

    I don’t know if Havana has other, different, sources of entertainment, but if it has, I expect I shall find them. I’m lucky that way.

    DrBG is an incel.
    But he’s also in a the game alpha state of Amused Mastery.
    Beyond Game?
    Phew, lads

  56. Memoryvault

    Evening Lo Lowe.

    Have I mentioned your psychic powers are awesome?

  57. JC

    Wow, phase 3 is pretty up there, Bruce. pan Cancer is basically a death sentence.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ah! The memories. As a callow youth, I used walk along Dawson Street every morning. Past the Town Hall and heading west. The biggest hazard was an iron foundry, from which issued the most pungent fumes. Miller’s twine next then at the other end Hoffman’s Brick works. By the sweat of their brow, workers engaged in all. The Italians had recently moved in. Has this happy snapshot from the past been defaced?

    I find that memories of places from the deep past of one’s youth simply intensify with age, Mayfly. We know the streets, the skylines, the sounds and smells, and we can almost taste the baking. It is lovely. Nothing happens in those memories unless we have reason to let it and wish to dwell in those climes. We have pruned and shaped these paths so well over the years we can fit them to our moods.

    The only thing that can damage them is going back. There is the old warehouse, now a self-storage facility. The Thompson’s place on the corner is a block of flats. There’s only one part of the old station that is remotely recognizable. The roads have changed directions. The traffic thunders. Only the rain stays the same, hard and washing away nostalgia, for rain is cold and wet. Rain doesn’t do nostalgia.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    Pray tell, vaulster, what is the true crime spy story of FriedRice?
    And don’t leave out the bodice ripping parts.

  60. Memoryvault

    Good evening Lizzie.
    I owe you a thanks. So thank you.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Rafael Pharmaceuticals launched a phase-3 clinical trial on Thursday for pancreatic cancer at eight sites throughout Israel.

    They should ask every lefty BDS wokester with pancreatic cancer if they really want a dirty Chewish treatment.

  62. C.L.

    Wedding cakes are no longer enough …
    Now they’re suing beauticians who refuse to wax the cocks and [email protected] of trans “women.”

    This is real:

    VANCOUVER — A B.C. Human Rights Tribunal hearing devolved into repeated outbursts and name-calling this week as it considered a transgender woman’s complaint that a home-based salon discriminated against her by denying her a Brazilian wax.

    At one point, the complainant compared the business owner to a neo-Nazi. The lawyer for the business owner accused the complainant of engaging in “half-truths and fabrications.” Tribunal adjudicator Devyn Cousineau frequently had to interject to maintain decorum and to keep the hearing from careening off course.

    But a substantive question remained at the core of the raucous daylong hearing: should a business be allowed to deny service on the basis of gender identity?

    Jessica Yaniv, the complainant, told the hearing she was entitled to receive the advertised wax service and that if the tribunal ruled against her it could lead to a “dangerous” precedent.

    “You cannot choose who your clientele is going to be,” she said.

    However, business owner Marcia Da Silva said she was not comfortable carrying out a Brazilian wax on a person with male genitalia, nor did she have the training for it. Jay Cameron, Da Silva’s lawyer and litigation manager with the Alberta-based Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, told the hearing that a ruling against his client would be tantamount to ordering “intimate services” against someone’s will…

    The tribunal heard that Da Silva shut down her salon business after her encounter with Yaniv.

    In a healthy, normal society – the society of the relatively recent past – this bloke would have been socked in the jaw and thrown into the gutter by the owner’s husband.

  63. Memoryvault

    Lo Lowe, you did it again.
    Your powers are truly amazing!!

  64. Tel

    DrBG is an incel.

    Not at all, he could have bought a root at any time in Cuba. He chose not to.

  65. John Constantine

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-lord-mayor-doesn-t-want-face-recognition-technology-in-public-spaces-20190709-p525i0.html?fbclid=IwAR1MD3DxcZ6o2_PkS_F6GtODC7QEP_G9L0LGzO5MYIXZjYgY7RKZoWqbIK4

    “But personally I don’t believe face recognition should be used in a place like the Queen Street Mall or those public places.

    “People do have the right to move around our city and have some level of privacy, so this will be something we will be investigating as a council to determine what the appropriate policy is when it comes to use of face recognition in public places in Brisbane.”

    Declaring yourself an Enemy of the State isn’t Safe now every city is Cameragrad.

  66. John Constantine

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-calls-wind-turbines-the-dark-satanic-mills-of-the-modern-era-20190719-p528sf.html

    n Friday, 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones asked Mr Abbott: “How are they going with the wind turbines in your former electorate? Is Zali Steggall sticking them up there?”

    “I think there’s been a lot of wind but not too much action – and thank God, because the last thing we want is what I regard as the dark Satanic Mills of the modern era spoiling our landscape,” Mr Abbott said.

  67. Memoryvault

    Wedding cakes are no longer enough …

    Monty Python on gender identity

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Wow, phase 3 is pretty up there, Bruce. pan Cancer is basically a death sentence.

    My nephew died of Pancreatic Cancer this year twelve months after diagnosis. They gave him four months to start with, but new surgical techniques and chemotherapies kept him alive for longer. This extension of life is promising and delivering extensions of life even for late stage carcinoma, and if it is not too invasive (or even if it is) then people grasp at it. He lived to see his daughter have her baby; important for him. He was born when my Big Sis was only just 18.

    The husband of a close girlfriend of mine died of prostate cancer five years after diagnosis. They got it too late, and despite radical operative procedures and being on various trials for metastatic lesions, he was, as she said to me in her broad Australian country idiom, in the last months ‘a goner’. Carpe diem.

  69. Bruce of Nowcastle:

    “You know, they’re disciplined enough to stick to this, but the issue is will it stick… Will it stick? But the bottom line is as this president is ginning up all of the anger, this animosity. This racial hate. To stay on topic is very hard,” Ryan continued.

    They just don’t get it, Bruce. They project their own hatred and anxieties, and that projection is so real to them that they respond to their own fantasies.

  70. Chris

    In a healthy, normal society – the society of the relatively recent past – this bloke would have been socked in the jaw and thrown into the gutter by the owner’s husband.

    Sounds like ‘fighting words’ have been passed, so good to go. I would offer to hold his coat – but I am a chickenshit and my violent fascism draws the line at risking momentary discomfort.

  71. Infidel Tiger

    Perfect opportunity to cover that freak in scolding hot wax wasted.

  72. John Constantine

    UPDATE 5:45PM – The Federal Government has rejected the latest bid by indigenous protesters to block the duplication of the Western Highway near Ararat.

    The protest group says numerous trees along the proposed path of the highway are culturally sacred birthing trees and should be protected.

    But Environment Minister Sussan Ley has denied heritage protection for the trees.

    “This is a project that will make it safer for people driving on our roads and ultimately that has to be a key consideration,” she said.

    “There has been significant consultation with Traditional Owners and I acknowledge the involvement of all parties in ensuring the protection of the five trees identified as culturally significant.”

    The Minister did not find that a sixth tree is culturally significant.

    It means Major Roads Projects Victoria can begin work on the highway expansion.

    The $672 million State Government project to duplicate a section of road between Ararat and Buangor has faced a string of complications and delays.

    Protesters set up a camp along the route last year to prevent some of the trees being removed.

    The original route of the highway had been amended after some of the trees were deemed to be culturally significant by the State Government.

    The protesters had called for further changes to the route be implemented

    Big Australia of eighty millions will dilute settler colonialist cultural guilt to the level that birthing trees at Buangor will have exactly the same protection as Birthing trees of the Uighers and West Papuans and Kurds.

    I am coming around to leaving constitutional protection for Aboriginal Australia, as just because the godless commo anglo australian left is hellbent on self-genocide of Old Australia, that is no reason to take Older Australia down with us.

    Somebody has to be left to sing Slim Dusty songs in the ruins.

    Comrades

  73. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/milXe4dNFeM

    Diamond And Silk give there take on the issue of identity politics in USA.

    Some of their claims don’t stand up to scrutiny, such as President didn’t identify anyone in his ‘go back if you don’t like it’ comments, however their point is well made.

    There is an internal contradiction to constantly claim America is racist and oppressive and to boost the idea of foreigners going there by whatever means.

    This is of course unless the plan is to reach a critical mass that will change the system from within.

    In the Japanese mindset there is a concept that the proud nail will be hammered down.

    It is ignored by msm that to try the shenanigans of the Democrats in America in still the majority of countries would lead to swift censure.

  74. Tel

    There is an internal contradiction to constantly claim America is racist and oppressive and to boost the idea of foreigners going there by whatever means.

    Maybe Trump should have just said that and left it alone?

  75. John Constantine

    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has been left high and dry in Australia after the air force jet which was going to fly her home broke down, leaving her stuck in Melbourne on Friday afternoon.

    Efforts were under way to sort the technical issue – a breakdown of the jet’s air data computer – but it was understood the fix would take some time. As a result, it’s been confirmed the PM is now flying back to New Zealand on Friday night on a commercial flight.

    The bold bid by brave Kiwi patriots to dump jacindamania in godless commo yarragrad on a bleak and socialist Friday has been foiled, as their Tooth Fairy flies back to finish her Saruman-like devastation of the Hobbits Shire.

    Comrades.

  76. Oh come on

    Law enforcement did a Pell. They went on TV and asked any victim to come forward and speak to them.

    So he was Yewtreed? I don’t understand how the cops in Oz, the UK and the US are being allowed to get away with this disgraceful tactic.

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Nothing you have said since has countered this simple point.’

    What I actually said was morality is different for different people. If I see someone robbing an old lady, I don’t flog him because of his morality, I flog him because he’s a thieving bastard. If him getting his teeth knocked out offends him then stiff shit. Ooooooh, the duality of man.

    Once again. Frigging theorists. I don’t need to be prompted into examined my inner psyche because of your wordplay, McJudgey. Whether you JUDGE my morality as worthless, as you said last night, or not does not keep me up at night. Now piss off back to your TAFE alma mater and find someone else to argue in circles with.

    Normal people: This is a cat.
    Theorists: Why is this a cat?

  78. C.L.

    Maybe Trump should have just said that and left it alone?

    Probably.
    He’d triangulated the brown bombers of The Squad vis-a-vis the Democrat Party proper very deftly and then gave them a lifeline with the “back to where you came from” line. He spoils his own good work sometimes. That said, it is exactly what most normal people say to/of activists forever bashing their own country. It’s pub wisdom and it won’t hurt him.

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Drum seems to be discussing a myth tonight. It’s still not happening ABC kiddies, if you ever bother looking at the actual data.

    No Evidence That Climate Change Causes Weather Extremes: (1) Drought (17 June)
    No Evidence That Climate Change Causes Weather Extremes: (2) Floods (1 July)
    No Evidence That Climate Change Causes Weather Extremes: (3) Hurricanes (15 July)

    I’d add that tornadoes are near record lows in the US and the real global temperature has been basically flat since the turn of the century. I’m amused that BoM has so cooled the past that they keep saying the average temperature for Sydney should be 16 C this month. I know from years of watching the news during winter the average used to be 17 C. Which was quite cold enough for me. Shows you what cooling the past will do.

  80. Herodotus

    Just in case you’re also reading The Australian, I’m not the Herodotus that has started commenting over there.
    Time for a new handle here?

  81. Memoryvault

    Evening Knuckles.

    You’re still alive and coherent, so obviously you survived today’s indignities relatively unscathed.

    A word of warning to the wise:
    Don’t badmouth a member of the Catallaxy Committee For High Moral Standards.
    Even if he is only the token beta male, he will have the rest of them down on you like a ton of bricks.

  82. notafan

    Someone has dug a deep hole for himself and thinks he can abuse his way out of it.

    Sad when ostensibly like minded people resort to the tawdry tactics of the left.

  83. Herodotus:
    Wait for the Doomlord to come back from his Hippy travel escapade.

  84. notafan

    And the lily livered liar rushes in on his white steed again.

  85. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe Trump should have just said that and left it alone?

    Tel – His strategic aim is to force the Democrat Party to own the Squad and their madness. So he’s been wedging Pelosi with them, to either get her in trouble with base (which he’s been partially successful doing) or force her to back their bonkers policies (he’s been very successful doing that). Also by pasting their faces on the front of the Democrat Party he puts that link into the minds of the voters, especially the independents.

    It’s all entirely on purpose.

    Off the record, House Dems tell CNN’s Tapper that Trump was ‘brilliant’ snookering Dems into letting The Squad become their symbol (18 July)

    “The president won this one,” said House Dem 1 of the Trump v Squad (AOC, Tlaib, Omar & Pressley) showdown. “What the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks and the president has now identified the entire party with them.”

  86. C.L.

    Time for a new handle here?

    No. You’re the original (as it were).

  87. C.L.

    Tel – His strategic aim is to force the Democrat Party to own the Squad and their madness.

    He had already achieved that.

  88. P

    The Drum

    It really is crook tonight. I’m going now to cook dinner and use as much electricity as I can.

  89. Memoryvault

    Oh noes, it has started, Knuckles.
    Flee!! Flee!!
    Flee while you can.

  90. Bruce of Newcastle

    He’s also further undermining the MSM.
    CNN, MSNBC say ‘racist’ more than 1,100 times regarding Trump ‘go back’ tweet since Sunday (16 July)

    The ordinary voters know this is crap, so all these idiots are doing is digging their holes even deeper.

  91. Memoryvault

    I’m going now to cook dinner and use as much electricity as I can.

    Enjoy it while you can.

  92. Tel

    You’re still alive and coherent, so obviously you survived today’s indignities relatively unscathed.

    He seems even better than before!

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Evening MV. Yes, unscathed.

    I had hoped to bring tortuous tales of being spit roasted by professors in dungeons festooned with human heads, but alas – all hype and no substance, as they say in the classics.

    I did get some thoughtfully provided photos. Not much point sharing them though, as they bear a striking resemblance to BG’s avatar.

    And yes. Nothing like finishing a discussion only to have it reopened for you nearly 24 days later by half-educated theorists who took all that time to craft a response for pointless behaviour.

    I shall be on my guard.

  94. Infidel Tiger

    JOHANNESBURG — James Slipper’s road to redemption is complete after the veteran Wallabies prop was named to take on South Africa in Saturday’s (Sunday 1.05am AEST) Rugby Championship opener in Johannesburg.
    A little over a year ago, Slipper’s 86-Test career looked in tatters when he was suspended for two months and heavily fined for twice testing positive to cocaine.

    He was subsequently booted from Queensland after more than 100 games.

    Phew! Lucky he didn’t quote the scriptures.

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    Excuse me. Company, y’know.

  96. notafan

    Was nice to see pp own you on that ASIO nonsense MV.

    Have you ever met a conspiracy theory you didn’t like.

  97. Chris

    The Drum

    It really is crook tonight.

    [shakes head sadly]

  98. Knuckle Dragger

    But before I get the knock at the door, it’s worth pointing out that although the Committee enjoy projecting their morals onto others, as they’ve ably demonstrated, at least – with one exception – they nail their colours to the mast, and say what they believe in. Gotta be applauded for that, at least.

    Dover, on the other hand, has to my memory not expressed one single opinion of his own. On any subject. Ever. Rather, he turns phrases around and uses rather high-falutin’ words to demonstrate proficiency in gobbledegook and base understanding of various isms.

    Yet another example of why education should not be confused with intelligence.

  99. notafan

    Reminds me of a couple of others who loudly provide pronounce their ‘philosophy’ that they invented on the spur of the moment (but don’t actually believe) because another pronouncement they made was shot full of holes sputter and denigrate those who point out that who ,quite politely, pointed out how illogical and far left progressive (but I repeat myself) their ‘philosophy’ is.

  100. Pedro the Ignorant

    Blokes night at the Cat.
    I’m off to the pub for a pint and a parma, back later.

    In the meantime, behold the S333 Volley fire pistol that fires two .22 Magnum bullets at each pull of the trigger.

    Only available in the US, of course.

    I am probably risking an early morning knock on the door for even showing a picture of the thing.

    The Volley Revolver!

  101. notafan

    And again.

    You do know kd that millions, probably billions of people don’t believe morality is subjective.

    They may not express it in sophisticated terms

    Good versus evil

    Right versus wrong.

    That sort of thing.

  102. Nick

    Phew! Lucky he didn’t quote the scriptures.

    Very true.

  103. MatrixTransform

    Someone has dug a deep hole

    someone thinks they can tut-tut and shame their way into somebody’s inner psyche.
    someone think that they thinks
    someone, not any one.
    not ever
    not

  104. MatrixTransform

    I love how someone (not anyone) gets a hard on calling people liars.

    seen about 1/2 a dozen instances of it now

    Lies by omission notafan are still lies … yr sneaky, but stupid

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    Nota,

    I don’t care what millions and billions and trillions and eleventy zillions of people believe.

    I believe in what I believe. I don’t care if others think it’s pointless, or worthless. I really don’t. But they’re mine, and further to that I also really believe that I’m a better person than most people I meet.

    Like I said to Dr Judgment McBrains last night – change my mind if you can. Which you can’t. So don’t bother.

  106. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Knuckles, I feel your pain. I was married for 9 years to The Lefty Philosopher, a Great Brain, who would drive me crazy until I discovered that my brain was not so bad after all, and I learned to say it does not matter why it is a cat, it is certainly a cat and what is more it is hungry, and we are out of cat food, so go round to Mr. O’Leary’s now and tell him we’ll pay him with the next stipend cheque.

    Mr. O’Leary ran a small shop from a terrace house in a Glebe street near us, which was very handy. I don’t know, you students, he would shake his head about bleary-eyed yawning us and others of our dissolute household, saying that getting up for the day at 2pm was unfathomable to him. He died sitting outside his shop, of advanced cancer, getting smaller and frailer by the day. No Irishmen have small shops in the inner city these days but you can still find occasional little ‘mixed businesses’ in old forgotten suburbs or country towns. There is one in Vaucluse, hidden away, run now by a Chinese family. It has that old-style feel about it still; a bread, milk and cat food place, not at all tarted up nor selling goats cheese or anything gentrified. Very handy it is too.

  107. notafan

    Like you try to do to me all the time Matrix?

    it’s not as if the concept of moral relativism hasn’t been around for a long time.

    No original thought there.

  108. MatrixTransform

    nota, go look up what original though you thunk next then type it out in full.

    everybody will be sure to have good long look at themselves in the meantime

    by god, you are nearly as silly as dover.

    who, will post next saying der, Im right and yr wrong because … reasons.

    go on nota, Im sure there’s a reason … please post an essay

  109. hzhousewife

    As I said earlier, the ABC better get their Beijing correspondent out ASAP.

    No no no Bruce, isn’t the ABC’s Sarah Ferguson posted there this year, taking her househusband Tony Jones along for the ride. Let them be edumacated for at least a year, please !

  110. MatrixTransform

    c’mon … put yourselves out there.

    don’t be scared … all you gotta do is have an original thought in yr heads

  111. matrix transform;

    someone thinks they can tut-tut and shame their way into somebody’s inner psyche.
    someone think that they thinks
    someone, not any one.
    not ever
    not

    Haiku fail.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    CNN, MSNBC say ‘racist’ more than 1,100 times regarding Trump ‘go back’ tweet since Sunday
    All the philosophical discussions that have taken place here on morality, God, religion, destiny, the animation of matter &c. have come to nought. The only thing of any consequence in our lives is where individuals are positioned on the racism spectrum.

  113. MatrixTransform

    Haiku fail.

    pah!

    ee cummings would be proud

  114. Lizzie:
    I remember the old convenience stores of last century.
    So different now.

  115. egg_

    Time for a new handle here?

    Blogstrop was the handle of handles.

  116. Memoryvault

    Good evening Nota.

    My apologies for not answering sooner, I was eating dinner – fish and chips – well it is Friday.

    Now to the burning question – have you and the rest of the Committee decided on tonight’s subject?
    If memory serves the choices were between a discussion on recycling vomit as a protein supplement, and a lecture by the beta male religionist titled “Pius Purity While Punishing People Not Present”.

    No rush in responding. In a few moments I’ll be off for a while watching the next episode of “Legion”.

  117. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-14/water-release-another-step-in-restoring-health-of-snowy-river/5813604

    The water of the Snowy River is being dumped unused into the South Australian estuary so yachts can be sailed in fresh water.

    A good enviromental impact statement would be one comparing the Snowy to the artificially freshwater estuary.

    The terrifying thought is that turnmerkel betrayed Australia by deliberately signing the murray darling basin irrigation over to transnational cartels under the pretense of the rights of the waterfowl of the coorong convention.

    Their turnmerkel squandered billions on the Snowy battery, but part of that was to put 100% of the control of the water of the Snowy river in the hands of unelected godless commos.

    Once snowy water can be churned repeatedly up and down hill for hydro, instead of running down for irrigation and freshening up the estuary, cross catchment water distribution will cease and the Snowy will be rewilded and run unchained down to the Pacific.

    As designed by turnbullites.

    Comrades.

  118. cohenite

    All the latest joyous news from the world of RoP:

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/

  119. egg_

    Alan Jones asked Mr Abbott: “How are they going with the wind turbines in your former electorate? Is Zali Steggall sticking them up there?”

    Perfect trolling.
    Steggles is now on side with the Libs?

  120. areff

    Bon soir, Lizzie, and welcome to the ever-frolicsome teen in her polka-dot bikini

  121. Tom

    No Irishmen have small shops in the inner city these days but you can still find occasional little ‘mixed businesses’ in old forgotten suburbs or country towns.

    Lizzie, the old Irishmen running Australian milk bars have been replaced by Vietnamese and Thais. The place down the road from me that I drive to every morning to buy the only Melbourne newspaper that is still a source of unvarnished information about Melbourne and the world has just decided to shut down for 10 days to allow the family that runs it to return to Thailand — just like the milk bar further up the road, run by Lane and Lee from Shanghai, which shut down for the fortnight just past to allow them a winter holiday in Queensland.

    Australian small business is still run by good small business people who hate the green left communists who just lost a federal election and won’t win any more in the foreseeable future. The idea of detroying our freedoms, which is popular with green-left fascists and their constituents in the public service, is a wave that has now broken and is heading back out to sea.

  122. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    To be fair, Dover is a very gentlemanly contributor, and argues entirely about reason and from the known principles of reason, which is fine, although I do think premises come into it as well. Knuckles starts with different premises, which is why he arrives in a very different place to Dover. Both are fun to have around, although I am aware that fun is not a word too many would apply to Dover.

    Flowers blooming, people, flowers blooming.

    Ah, which brings me to flowers. I got the most glorious wonderful and even naturally perfumed bunch of flahhs from my girl friends today and we took some pictures just like teenagers of the cake they provided as well, which had the mandatory Happy Birthday written on it. Their card was very touching. They are all my friends. Seriously, that is a blessing.

    Gee, only four and a half hours to go now and the year will tick over again. I have been counting backwards for 10 years now, and have just got younger than Hairy. Something to celebrate!

    G’day old man, I say to him as he returns from a visit to our fridge, which for reasons peculiar to this household currently resides in the garage. Not till midnight, he returns fire. Perhaps my Audi will turn into a pumpkin at midnight with all this magic in the air, I suggest. As he’s just spent nearly $4000 on the cooling system repairs when it is two months out of warranty Hairy suggests that a lemon would do nicely for that – you wouldn’t get that repair on warranty anyway says the garage man comfortingly as he passes us a discount card to his brother’s restaurant.

    Well, Friday night calls elsewhere now. See ya. Men’s Nite on the Cat is now officially open.

  123. Roger

    Knuckles, morality is fairly universal across time & human cultures (although particular cultures can certainly go off the rails, becoming the exceptions that prove the general rule).

    C. S. Lewis’s ‘The Abolition of Man’ – written at the height of WWII, when Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were proposing a different morality -is a good introduction to the topic.

  124. C.L.

    I’m off to the pub for a pint and a parma ….

    Life’s good.

  125. Chris

    I remember the old convenience stores of last century.

    I can just remember that model, as a tiny child.
    That is not a convenience store. It is a dry goods grocer.

  126. Memoryvault

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher hacked and carved whole sides of beef , hogget and mutton on huge wooden chopping blocks, and the floor was covered in sawdust?

  127. max

    Country Towns
    Country towns, with your willows and squares,
    And farmers bouncing on barrel mares
    To public houses of yellow wood
    With “1860” over their doors,
    And that mysterious race of Hogans
    Which always keeps the General Stores….

    Kenneth Slessor

  128. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A Defence Magistrate has found a female sailor not guilty of two counts of assault, saying a bum slap and a nipple cripple were simply ‘horseplay’ between ‘skylarking’ sailors.

    Morality is subjective.

    QED.

  129. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Volley Revolver!

    Ah, I see the designers chose the Quintessential Brutality option. Most cane toads are prettier.

  130. Nick

    Oh gawd, Bruce Mc is commentating.

  131. C.L.

    It is a dry goods grocer.

    “Dry goods” was the old term for textiles and off-the-rack clothing.
    A grocer wouldn’t be selling lengths of calico and dungarees.

  132. Bruce of Newcastle

    MV – And the butcher would run you off half a dozen lamb chops on his bandsaw. The smell of lamb fat and sawdust went well together.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher hacked and carved whole sides of beef , hogget and mutton on huge wooden chopping blocks, and the floor was covered in sawdust?

    My local butcher always used to wear a bow tie.

  134. Tintarella di Luna

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher hacked and carved whole sides of beef , hogget and mutton on huge wooden chopping blocks, and the floor was covered in sawdust?

    Yep Mr Olive’s Buthery always had sawdust on the floor and a wooden chopping block. The smell of mutton was very very potent.

  135. Top Ender

    Just visited the Latja, a monitor warship in Budapest. Built in the late 1800s, and served in WWI. Two breech-loading six-inch guns in a rotating turret up the bow end; and two four-barrel 50 calibre guns up above midships. Crew of about 30.

    According to two locals we were talking to last night, the Hungarian PM is a hero for refusing an EU directive to take in 100,000 African “migrants”. There is a lot of talk about pulling out of the EU.

    The beer here is good, and the scenery and history excellent. We did a local trip into the countryside yesterday in a steam train complete with old carriages, and a five course lunch.

    Pity we don’t speak Hungarian. Might be a good retirement country.

  136. Makka

    And you could watch the butcher mince up and make a few lb of beef snags from plugs he’d cut from carcasses hanging from hooks inside the cool room. Blokes in blue and white striped blood streaked aprons with big belts with knives and sharpening irons hanging from them. You’d take your meat home in butcher’s paper. Those buggers would talk all day long.

  137. Memoryvault

    I remember the old convenience stores of last century.

    Ah yes. I remember the local deli when I was about six.
    The shop owner always greeted you with “What would you like”?

    One day I walked in, and when asked, pointed to something in the lolly display, and said –
    “I would like a penny’s worth of them”.

    This went on for some time – “I’d like a penny’s worth of this”, and “a penny’s worth of that”, until I had amassed a huge pile of lollies in front of the shop keeper. Then I turned and started to walk out. The shopkeeper called out – “Hey aren’t you going to pay for your lollies”? To which I replied “I only said I would like them, I don’t have any money to actually buy them”.

    I thought it was so funny I laughed all the way home.

    My father, who was the local copper after being in the navy for 14 years, didn’t share my mirth.
    I couldn’t sit down for a week.

  138. Geriatric Mayfly

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher hacked and carved whole sides of beef , hogget and mutton on huge wooden chopping blocks, and the floor was covered in sawdust?

    Yes. And without demur always called the butcher Mr—–, the Postmistress Miss—–, the Store Manager Mrs—–and the Grocer(who delivered once a week) Mr——- as well. In fact everyone, was prefixed with their proper title on pain of an impromptu chastisement on manners.

  139. John Constantine

    A privately owned anti-tank cannon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU

    Why do you need to own and shoot something like this?.

    Because God Bless President Donald Trump, and God Bless the United States of America.

  140. Shy Ted

    Left wing thinktank Grattan Institute chap says we don’t need baseload power. Ellen Fanning asks him how he has managed to make a living. He manages to not say it’s taxpayer funded. And will be in perpetuity. How good is ScoMo for continuing to fund these fools?

  141. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A smart way to save given the way property prices are inflated in the West or simply sad and reflective of how poor we’ve become because of those artificial price supports?

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In fact everyone, was prefixed with their proper title on pain of an impromptu chastisement on manners.

    Schoolteachers were always “Miss”, “Mrs” or ‘Mr.”, on pain of dire retribution.

  143. John Constantine

    Tinkerer rebuilds a WW2 bomber ball turret complete with twin fifties.

    Because Freedom.

  144. P

    So different now.

    This is very much like Taylor’s the grocer, except we did not have Maxwell house here in Aus back in the 40s and 50s.
    When we moved into our new home at the end ’49 and for the next five years I had to do the ‘messages’ after school each day.
    The grocer was Taylor, the butcher Gibbons, the fruit shop Kavanagh, the chemist McFarlane, the doctors Lowe and wife, the dentist Cotterill. It was only a small group of shops and I don’t remember the names of the ham & beef shop, the haberdashery or the hardware shop which also sold seeds and seedlings. The paper shop was owned by a Catholic family whose name I can’t recall at this moment and I never went to the milk bar.

  145. Nick

    GM, I know Dawson St well, I’m sure some of the ghosts of my ancestors hover there. Scottish forebears were bought out to engineer the building on Hoffies.

  146. Areff:

    Bon soir, Lizzie, and welcome to the ever-frolicsome teen in her polka-dot bikini

    Tits or fuck off.

  147. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    This kind of puts the green fetish for virgin forests in a suspicious light.

  148. Speedbox

    Memoryvault
    #3111322, posted on July 19, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    My first ever job (after school) was as a butcher’s assistant. That meant making sausages etc and sweeping up the bloodied sawdust at the end of the day.

    They had the old chopping block and whole sides of lamb were hacked and carved. Great place to work.

    Worked there for about six months and they offered me an apprenticeship, but I turned it down. Continued working there for about another 4-5 months before I moved on to something else.

  149. Top Ender

    Oh, and Hungary has four nuclear power stations, and the lowest % of “renewables” in the EU.

  150. dover_beach

    What I actually said was morality is different for different people. If I see someone robbing an old lady, I don’t flog him because of his morality, I flog him because he’s a thieving bastard. If him getting his teeth knocked out offends him then stiff shit. Ooooooh, the duality of man.

    Once again. Frigging theorists. I don’t need to be prompted into examined my inner psyche because of your wordplay, McJudgey. Whether you JUDGE my morality as worthless, as you said last night, or not does not keep me up at night. Now piss off back to your TAFE alma mater and find someone else to argue in circles with.

    No, no, you said ‘morality is subjective’, they are your words. Given this position you have no business flogging the robber, not merely because doing so would ‘project your morality’ on to them but specifically because you have no reason to be offended by their robbing the old lady. To say that something is subjective is to place it in the realm of preference. All that you could say is, I dislike old ladies being beaten and robbed. That isn’t wordplay, that is treating the words you use seriously.

  151. John Constantine

    Is it illegal to throw an axe at a drone in your backyard?.

    Is it owned by the Council and is it yarragrad?.

  152. Gab

    Very good (short) video on Twitter. I can’t link vids from Titter. In any case, the construction working was showing the “zero emissions” digger of the excavator variety. It was fully charged and lasted two hours before running flat. Then it took him eight hours to recharge using … coal-fired electricity. His final comment “Zero emissions, my arse”.

    And so, the cost of the electricity and the construction worker’s time is of course paid for by the end buyer of the house.

    The world has gone mad.

  153. Gab

    To be fair, Dover is a very gentlemanly contributor, and argues entirely about reason and from the known principles of reason

    He’s a gentleman, a scholar, logical and very intelligent. Some people can’t handle that.

  154. rickw

    This guys whole business is based on trepanning hard to machine metals on ancient turret lathes:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7s2LOW63Z8

  155. Steve trickler

    Brilliant footage from the French. The soundtrack is horrible.

    I suggest you choose your own soundtrack to accompany the clip.



    Mute the sound above, play this below at the same time…. or choose your own music.



    It is a good ride.

  156. Atoms for Peace

    Dogs not allowed and no expectorating in the shop.Back in the day when people were erudite

  157. cohenite

    John Constantine

    #3111337, posted on July 19, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    A privately owned anti-tank cannon.

    Good stuff, but the bomber turret edges it.

  158. Atoms for Peace

    If President Trump was quicker, he should have stated the Somalians don’t want Ilhar back.

  159. P

    Very good (short) video on Twitter. I can’t link vids from Twitter.

    I usually just click on the time e.g. 10hr, and up comes the exact twitter quote and then I copy and paste the link from the address bar in the browser. That would I guess alow the viewer to click themselves onto the said video.

    BTW I am not on twitter myself.

  160. MatrixTransform

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher…

    my old man was a butcher.
    And I used to do a paper round and follow the milko who delivered by cart.
    worked on a fishing boat when I was 14

  161. Gab!
    President Trump is still President of the US!
    Bill Shorten is still a nobody piece of shit!
    Just wanted to let you know, in case you, like, sort of , forgot.
    Or something.
    Maaate.

  162. Gab

    I remind a certain person that Trump is still President to annoy them. You can scroll past my comments anytime, Winston. 🙂

  163. Gab

    That should be “to annoy him”.

  164. MatrixTransform

    No, no, you said ‘morality is subjective’, they are your words.

    toldya.

    dearest Ben, what about your morality?

    ur critique wears thin

  165. Infidel Tiger

    CUB sold for $16bn to the Japs.

    A decade ago it would have prompted outrage.

    Today no one cares, because lager and ale is now a localist activity and corporatist filth can sod off.

  166. P

    And I used to do a paper round and follow the milko who delivered by cart.

    We used to leave the money each week under the billy can near the front door for the milkman.
    No one ever stole the money, maybe because everyone paid this way back then.

    The baker also still delivered by horse and cart into the mid 60’s when I married.

  167. Turnip

    Zippy…..I’ve just picked up some NMN …would you recommend 8 doses or 4 a day? They also threw in some NAD+ nasal spray…would you take that as well as my understanding is that they are similar in effect? Send me an email via Sinc if would prefer and thanks.

  168. areff

    How many Cats go far enough back to remember when the local butcher…

    … had a delightful daughter called Geraldine who barely knew I existed. Sigh.

  169. Nick

    CUB sold for $16bn to the Japs.

    A decade ago it would have prompted outrage.

    Now, we think, jeez, if they can produce whiskey….

  170. cohenite

    Who else reckons this omar (not her real name apparently) bint married her brother?

  171. Infidel Tiger

    Still plenty of proper Butcher shops around.

    Even Coles has them in the upmarket burbs.

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    The water at the Little North Fork of the Santiam River is normally cold, swift and can be deeper than anticipated by swimmers, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said. The sheriff’s office recommends visitors never swim alone, avoid alcohol and marijuana around the water, wear lifejackets, know how to perform CPR and know how and where to call 9-1-1.

    Would local plod be game to include this new addendum?

  173. Infidel Tiger

    I know Omar married her brother.

    My concern is she consummated the Marriage.

  174. dover_beach

    toldya.

    dearest Ben, what about your morality?

    ur critique wears thin

    This has nothing to do with ‘my’ or KD’s morality. KD made a claim about morality, namely that it’s subjective. I countered that claim clearly and pointed out its incoherence. I’m not sure why the critique wears thin.

  175. Makka

    Who else reckons this omar (not her real name apparently) bint married her brother?

    “On October 22, 2008, the U.S. State Department stopped accepting applications for the Priority 3/Refugee Family Reunification program — the process by which refugees can apply for asylum if one family member is already a legal U.S. resident. State halted the program because DNA testing — primarily of Somalis — had concluded that perhaps 87 percent of applicants were fraudulently claiming family relationships.”

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/us-considers-dna-tests-for-some-refugees/

    And she married her brother.

  176. Old School Conservative

    My local butcher’s large wooden chopping block was concave.
    I assumed from lots of use.

  177. mh

    Who else reckons this omar (not her real name apparently) bint married her brother?

    Not convinced yet Cohenite?

  178. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Thanks for the lathe video, Rickw.

    I’m learning to use a mini lathe, so it gives me something to aim for!

    I have a long way to go, but I can certainly appreciate very much what is going on there.

    I wonder if there is anyone left in Australia, who can still do that sort of extremely skilled craftsmanship?

  179. Keith Forwheels

    Apropos of nothing, Qld Cats with potential land tax liabilities via companies or trusts beware, good oil says “look through” provisions (similar to those recently enacted in SA) which will allow OSR to aggregate all liabilities to acrue to the “final owner” are on the horizon, no grandfathering likely for existing structuring. Should make commerical rental negotiations interesting re outgoing recovery, particularly at a time when many landlords can’t fill vacancies, and numerous “high street” precincts are already suffering.

  180. MatrixTransform

    I’m not sure why the critique wears thin

    you keep right on thinking then Socrates

  181. dover_beach

    Matrix, you could just make your point clearly.

  182. Matrix Transform:

    And I used to do a paper round

    I did one too – for about 3 months.
    Background – My mum and I have one characteristic in common – we have absolutely no idea of direction, nor do we have any idea of physical coordination.
    Mum got a chit which actually forbade her from doing Parades during her time at Cowra during WW2.
    I got Remedial Marching at the ROBC at Canungra.
    The paper round as a kid , was a nightmare – day 2 of the round was the surprising revelation that houses were odd numbered on the left, evens on the right.
    I just did not have a clue.
    The rest of the family are in agreement – mum would get out of the car at the shopping centre, she would close her eyes and turn around. Hopelessly lost.
    Now imagine, if you will, Lt Sewell. ROBC. Out in the field, a rifle in the right hand, a map and a compass in the left.
    The most dangerous weapon in the Australian Army – a Lieutenant with a compass and a map.
    You know that rope slung between a couple of poles twenty meters apart?
    I fell off it about nine times, never got to the end. Broke my arm on the rungs thingies, but got through the rising beam thingy with the barbed wire, if you fell into if you fucked up, then the tunnel of mud.
    Came to grief on the wall when a member of the team tried to pull me up by the broken arm.
    I pulled the pin at that point.
    RAP stood me outside, and hosed me down with the fire hose.
    Then, and only then was I allowed inside to the XRay department and “Oh look! You’ve really fucked that up, haven’t you?”
    “Check this out, what this silly c**t err “Sir” has done to his arm!”
    15 mg o’morphine and a cast later, a nap, and a feed.
    Fucking good times.
    Really good times.
    I was never going to be Australias von Manstein, but I had a go.

  183. bespoke

    John Constantine
    #3111355, posted on July 19, 2019 at 8:31 pm
    Is it illegal to throw an axe at a drone in your backyard?.

    No you don’t own the air space. If you are a private enthusiast flying over houses is a big no no as it should be but all the concerns about privacy go away with commercial interest.

  184. MatrixTransform

    you could just make your point clearly.

    Hmm, do I need to?

    if you’d just lay down the basis for your your positionality then I wouldn’t need to

    I do appreciate the game where you dig the hole for everybody and then stand on the pile of rubble as a pedestal

    put something up you gutless prick

  185. MatrixTransform

    a little bit of you … instead of a lot of everybody else

  186. dover_beach

    I’m not being the gutless prick here. I’ve clearly stated my position. If you can’t offer a reasoned response that isn’t a failure of mine.

  187. Not Uh oh

    Still remember the milk and bread being delivered by horse and cart. The ice, if I recall correctly, was delivered in a van.

  188. Keith Forwheels:
    You may have something important to say, can you do it a little more legibly for someone who is just a leetle pissed?
    Pleaase?

  189. MatrixTransform

    good for you and the rest of the Morality Polizia

  190. Top Ender

    A 36-year-old Melbourne man was arrested at Hobart Airport about 8:00am today following an incident on an incoming Jetstar Airways flight.

    The ABC understands the pilot called for police assistance when the man refused to leave the plane’s toilet.

    It’s obvious why. Still no airbridges at the airport.

  191. MatrixTransform

    The ice, if I recall correctly, was delivered in a van.

    Blocks of it.
    on the bumper bar of a truck
    massive pincers to hoik it off

    wasnt long ago that Nan’s long drop was at the end of the block

  192. TE:

    The ABC understands the pilot called for police assistance when the man refused to leave the plane’s toilet.

    He had the Chicken Parmagiana, didn’t he?
    Bwahhahahah.
    Maate.

  193. Keith Forwheels

    Dear Winston, if you own a property in Qld other than your home, the OSR will charge land tax if the value of the land is over a certain threshold. Under current rules companies and trusts are separate entities and so attract their own separate thresholds. Under likley amendements the “final owner” will have all liabilities attributed to them, so say you own three properties, one in your own name, one owned by your company, and one by a trust, then all your liabilities will be aggreated to you personally. Which will likely put you into a substantially higher bracket overall for the land tax payable, as the total amount payable scales up with the overall value of land owned.

  194. mh

    The MSM are attempting to spin it otherwise, but this is the real story

    Hannity: Pelosi ‘powerless’ to stop Omar and ‘The Squad’

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-pelosi-powerless-to-stop-omar-and-the-squad

  195. P

    Still remember the milk and bread being delivered by horse and cart.
    The ice, if I recall correctly, was delivered in a van.

    The ice was delivered during the daylight hours, whereas the milk during the night which was certainly considered more proficient than noise during the night.

    Stopping and starting a van for the delivery of bread which was then also to almost every house, would have been less efficient, monetary wise, than the old horse and cart,

  196. dover_beach

    good for you and the rest of the Morality Polizia

    It’s funny how many of the same crew that was last week morally aghast at a mother that did nothing as her son was killed by her boyfriend are this week criticizing the affrontery of those that might raise a moral criticism of other acts.

  197. dover_beach

    Winston, few things are better at a pub then a well-made parma, chips and salad.

  198. Top Ender

    I got my paper round – my first job – because the previous bloke had taken to throwing the papers at the milk bottles left at the front door.

    Garbage was picked up by footballers doing it part time for the exercise – heave the bin onto their shoulder; run to the truck, and dump it in. Run the bin back.

    Our labrador used to accompany me but disappear for a while and then find me. He was putting on a lot of weight despite the walk every morning six days a week. One morning I followed him round a few corners. He was getting a free loaf thrown to him by the staff at the baker’s shop every day.

  199. Keith Forwheels
    #3111409, posted on July 19, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    Dear Winston, if you own a property in Qld other than your home, the OSR will charge land tax if the value of the land is over a certain threshold. Under current rules companies and trusts are separate entities and so attract their own separate thresholds. Under likley amendements the “final owner” will have all liabilities attributed to them, so say you own three properties….

    Look, I barely bloody own the vacant chookhouse at the back of my property. The XMissus sold the bloody chooks to God-knows-who, so does this mean I’m about to get hit with some kind of guvvie levy that says I’m not allowed to have vacant chook houses?

    Keiht, you may not be aware of the fact that the Open Thread becomes a little ‘unhinged’ on Friday nights. It’s a ‘Blokes Night” sort of thing. If you are after sober discussion, erudite conversation, and a surplus of Oxford Commas, perhaps you should try a site that doesn’t specialise in blokey stuff like this and this.
    Shit.
    I’ve got 11 tabs open and I’m still running out of space on my tool bar…
    Will the aggravations never cease?

  200. Old Lefty

    Re the comments upthread on the ABC antagonizing the Chinese Communist Party. Not ready a surprise. The ABC was always impeccably Moscow-line and is still mired in the world-view of the thankfully defunct Soviet Union. (Political necrophilia?) The Chinese, on this view, are decadent capitalist roaders.

  201. TE:

    Our labrador used to accompany me but disappear for a while and then find me. He was putting on a lot of weight despite the walk every morning six days a week. One morning I followed him round a few corners. He was getting a free loaf thrown to him by the staff at the baker’s shop every day.

    Bloody dogs.
    Where would we be without them?

  202. MatrixTransform

    It’s funny how many of the same crew that was …

    you and your idiotic dichotomies … nobody givs a shit what you postulate .

    mate

  203. bespoke

    Are you seriously comparing killing a kid to what consenting adults do the each other, dover?

  204. Matrix:
    Mate is spelt with two ‘a’.
    Just helping out, Maaate.

  205. feelthebern

    The Birds has been Fox classics tonight.
    That Tippi Hedren was gorgeous.

  206. Infidel Tiger

    One of the first signs of decline in the west was when pub’s replaced toasted white bread on steak sandwiches with focaccia.

    A steak sanger, plentiful lager, pack of smokes and a day betting on horses on the TAB was as good as it got.

    Now the steak sandwich is too fancy, the beer too expensive and over hopped, you can’t smoke or afford it and everyone gambles on their phones or at home.

  207. MatrixTransform

    few things are better at a pub then a well-made parma

    but then you could ask PETA what they think about that heh?

    ever worked in a chicken factory? I have

    and here’s me thinking that Ben’s point about moral relativity actually had something to do with morals?

  208. Top Ender

    An Indigenous man who first held a paintbrush a year ago has taken out Australia’s richest landscape prize worth $100,000.

    Check the picture out. It has to be seen to be believed. What a rort.

  209. dover_beach

    you and your idiotic dichotomies … nobody givs a shit what you postulate .

    You’re all piss and wind, Matrix.

  210. Keith Forwheels

    Dear Winston, sorry to hear about the your ex wife, as Struth often points out, the fairer sex are not always any more rational than us blokes, and lets face it, poultry can often bring out the most base emotions in people.

    Sadly, a broad based land tax that does not exempt ones prinicipal place of residence is starting to look increasingly likely. It is the direction of travel, and while it is probably a way out in the distance all these incremental measures just bring the day closer.

    Luckily your chicken shed is an improvement, not part of the site value, and if you can argue it forms some sort of primary production you may get an exemption. So I’d restock the chickens and sell the eggs. Just don’t forget to sort out all your relevant local and state governement licenses.

  211. MatrixTransform

    You’re all piss and wind,

    please explain in depth … maaate

  212. Steve trickler

    Hello, Big Boy.

    ( Certain people must hate that name : )



  213. dover_beach

    but then you could ask PETA what they think about that heh?

    ever worked in a chicken factory? I have

    and here’s me thinking that Ben’s point about moral relativity actually had something to do with morals?

    You clearly haven’t understood the point I made which was that the claim, ‘morality is subjective’, is incoherent, which was not a moral point but a logical point.

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    An Indigenous man who first held a paintbrush a year ago has taken out Australia’s richest landscape prize worth $100,000.

    Hundred thousand dollars? Let the humbugging begin!

  215. P

    Just a thought after reading comments above –

    Cultural morality and even social justice is not always in step with Christian morality as set out in the Gospels and in the Epistles.

  216. mh

    Dover…it’s blokes night!

    Can’t you tell Matrix is on the sauce?

    Jeez, someone post some Wang Chung.

  217. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3111433, posted on July 19, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    One of the first signs of decline in the west was when pub’s replaced toasted white bread on steak sandwiches with focaccia.

    Went to Strip House on 44th Street with a couple of traders for an early dinner. We started off with mini sangas encasing a thick juicy piece of bacon. We then shared a couple of steaks at the bar.

    It’s called Strip House as in a strip of steak, not sheilas taking their gear off. It’s old fashioned too like our old pubs.

    The sangas are to die for. New York is brilliant that way.

  218. Tel

    ever worked in a chicken factory? I have

    Applied for that job once … got told I was overqualified and therefore I probably wouldn’t stay with it as a career and all that. I explained I was looking to work because I needed some money and of course no one in their right mind is planning to cut up chicken as a career … it’s day labour what were they expecting anyhow? Oddly enough that didn’t win me any friends.

    Next application, I tried a different strategy, acted a bit dopey and got a job gardening, which was extremely pleasant work and probably the nicest job I’ve ever done in my life. Pretty decent money too when you consider there wasn’t a whole lot to it … only annoying thing was extremely early starts.

  219. MatrixTransform

    which was that the claim

    no maate, your claim has changed

    morality is neither relative nor logical.

    yr false dichotomies

    you can whinge all you want but my morals have zero to do with your relativism

  220. MatrixTransform

    to stop being a tosser, all you need to do is prove that they do.

    1,2,3 go

  221. Infidel Tiger

    Chik-Fil-A is the most amazing customer service operation on earth.

    Apparently the food is amazing too, but the stories that come out about their staff are mind blowing.

    Another one this week about a manager changing a 96yo WWII vets tyre on the car park.

    Culture is absolutely everything.

  222. MatrixTransform

    ready…setty…spaghetti

  223. Keith Forwheels

    Ecellent reply, sire,
    There is a place for you in these hallowed halls.

  224. MatrixTransform

    Can’t you tell Matrix is on the sauce?

    Shhh! … Ardmore ( and I dont really like highlands )

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shhh! … Ardmore ( and I dont really like highlands )

    Sliante!

  226. mh

    Rep. Steven Smith 🇺🇸
    @RepStevenSmith
    Ilhan Omar addressing the Revolution Somali Youth League in 2015:

    “You guys have the ability to impact where our nation is headed….”

    “Not only HERE–in the United States–but even in OUR NATION BACK HOME.” #EnemyWithin
    https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1151516271281938434?s=20

  227. Leigh Lowe

    The Bombers.
    They flying up.

  228. JC

    Old money, well rounded Ronery is critiquing art now, which reminded me.

    We went to see a small(ish) aboriginal art exhibition at Gogosian’s gallery in NY. Gagosian is promoting aboriginal art in a big way. I must admit, that I was gobsmacked just how beautiful it was. The works are owned by Steve Martin.

    Martin loves Aboriginal art and is here often apparently attending aboriginal art sales and exhibitions.

    More here.

  229. dover_beach

    no maate, your claim has changed

    No, my claim hasn’t changed.

    you can whinge all you want but my morals have zero to do with your relativism

    My ‘relativism’? I’m defending the objectivity of morality. Dear oh dear.

  230. dover_beach

    The Bombers.
    They flying up.

    And you got in before Sinc.

  231. twostix

    Why are these retards (apparently led by the resident CEC weirdo – now going senile sex pervert) attacking…dover of all people???

    JC you used to run a tight ship here keeping the fourth raters in line, what’s happened.

  232. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    IZIZ fanatics who beheaded Scandinavian hikers to die by firing squad in Morocco

    Three men described as “human beasts” who beheaded two female friends who were hiking in Morocco will face a firing squad.
    The Sun, News Corp Australia Network
    July 19, 2019 4:31am

    The three e#tremists who beheaded two women in the Atlas Mountains have been sentenced to death by firing squad in Morocco.

    Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Denmark, and Maren Ueland, 28, from Norway, were found dead on December 17 last year near a popular trekking trail in the Atlas Mountains.

    According to The Sun, their sentence comes after Louisa’s mum, Helle Petersen, called for the death penalty for her daughter’s killers.

    In a letter read out by her lawyer in an [email protected] court in Sale, Helle said: “The most just thing would be to give these beasts the death penalty they deserve, I ask that of you.

    “My life was destroyed the moment that two policemen came to my door on December 17 to announce my daughter’s death.”

    The evil trio of Izlamic State sympathisers recorded a video of the murders and posted them online.

    Good riddance.

  233. MatrixTransform

    by gawd yr full o shit

  234. Tel

    My ‘relativism’? I’m defending the objectivity of morality. Dear oh dear.

    Objectivity means something measured RELATIVE to a suitably chosen object.

    The objective definition of a 1kg mass is some lump of metal in Paris somewhere and other weights are calibrated by measuring them relative to that lump of metal.

    The objective definition of time is to measure relative to a Cesium atomic clock … at least that’s the currently best reference point, in the past other things have been used, but always relative to some object or other.

    That’s what “objectivity” means.

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