Open Forum: July 20, 2019

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  1. Memoryvault

    Fantastic Steve.

    Almost, but not quite, as good as the “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” by the same orchestra and conductor, that you posted here long ago.

    I still watch it often.

  2. Ellie

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3111539, posted on July 20, 2019 at 12:14 am

    Hi Ellie – realise I’m a bit late in celebrating. It’s the crack of dawn here in San Francisco.

    The crack of dawn can usually be found in the Tenderloin district.

  3. bespoke

    I don’t think a person who spends there money on artisans to build a bespoke house is less morel then another who give to charity.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Made it into the team on my birthday!

  5. Ellie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #3111548, posted on July 20, 2019 at 12:27 am

    I very occasionally modelled bikinis for Paula Stafford at Surfers’ Paradise in the fifties.
    Had a look around the net but can’t see any of me there now. Probably lost in some stock shots. I know there are some available because I saw one in the press a few years ago; they got the date wrong though, said it was from the 1940’s. They didn’t have bikinis like that in the 40’s.
    And it was definitely me. I remember the actual shot.
    We all had slightly bigger thighs than the girls of today; no gap at the top for us.
    We were curvy* and proud of it. 

    *slim but not emaciated

    Memories. Too many. I’m off to bed. Sleep tight.

    Areff! Are you there? I think Lizzie is referring to your exchange of last night.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As well as my birthday, I also get Christmas in July.

  7. Ellie

    Lizzie, 🥂
    Hot patootie!

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    Yes. Yes. What does Dawn look like? 🙂

  9. Ellie

    She’s devastatingly depilated

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ellie, while we’re on the gift list, here’s one to really upset the feminists.

    I have sung this song on stage. 😀

  11. areff

    Ellie, you’re quite right. Lizzie and I each embrace the frolic lifestyle at every chance. I know I can’t walk a beach without wanting to skip and dance for the sheer joy of it. No, that’s not quite right. I prefer to sit in the car out of the wind. But it’s a good thing that froliceers are with us yet.

    Ellie, I’ll meet you outside the Palms in 20 minutes.

  12. Memoryvault

    Ellie, I’ll meet you outside the Palms in 20 minutes.

    Elle,
    Have you been two-timing me?

  13. Steve trickler

    Happy Birthday, Elizabeth.



  14. johanna

    Re Ye Olde Fredde, I also remember butcher’s shops with sawdust on the floor. Our local butcher used to give me bones for Blackie for 10c a bag – big ones, with a bit of meat and gristle on. They went in the fridge and he got about one a week, which kept him happy and occupied for hours and hours.

    I also remember the dunny men who collected those awful black tins of sewage in the early hours. I hope they were well paid. And yes, in those days Rugby League players (this was Sydney) often worked as garbos, it helped to keep them fit.

    I was re-reading the great Ross Campbell’s stories of Sydney suburban life recently. He wrote a piece about the importance of having repartee with your butcher if you wanted respect. There was another about the inflexibility of garbos – as he found out to his cost one morning when he tried to get them to wait while he grabbed the bin after a late and boozy night. To make it worse, a neighbour viewed the whole debacle and made snide comments about it.

    Of course, this slight embarrassment paled in comparison to the time he needed a hanky during a work meeting and out came – Little Bo Peep. All his manly hankies had disappeared in the powerwash of family life.

    A great writer and recorder of social history. A collection of some of his best work – My Life as a Father – was edited by Shelley Gare and has an introduction by Barry Humphries, who admired him very much.

    Anyone who grew up in the late 50s and 1960s will recognise the Australia of that time in his work. There are also two books – Daddy, Are You Married? and Mummy, Who is Your Husband? – compilations of his columns in the Daily and Sunday Telegraph – which are well worth seeking out.

    If you want to learn about knitting mohair jumpers, pump-up scooters, and holidays at Sunburn Beach, you will enjoy them.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A rare 1963 take on the life of Marilyn. Interesting.
    In a sense, my times.

  16. Lazlo

    I recall Graham Olling, front row for The Eels in 1977, was a Garbologist in his day job. In those days, many RL players worked in the Homebush Abbatoire, where there were interesting grades of jobs, like ‘boner’.

  17. Top Ender

    Mostly paywalled in the West Oz, but HE’S BACK…

    Dylan Voller, whose treatment in a Northern Territory youth detention centre sparked a royal commission, is being held in a secure psychiatric ward in Perth after a court outburst that ended with him screaming and head-butting a glass cell.

    Voller – who gained worldwide attention after a photograph of him hooded and shackled in a jail cell caused outrage – was arrested in Dianella today after spending months on the run from both WA and NSW police.

    Hours later, Voller – who was arrested on a warrant relating to an alleged assault on transit officers at Cannington train station in February last year – appeared in Perth Magistrate’s Court “highly paranoid” with “delusional”….

  18. zyconoclast

    Hours later, Voller – who was arrested on a warrant relating to an alleged assault on transit officers at Cannington train station in February last year – appeared in Perth Magistrate’s Court “highly paranoid” with “delusional”….

    Time for another royal commision.
    Come on Slomo, you know you want to.

  19. egg_

    Graham Olling
    An Australian international and New South Wales interstate representative forward

  20. Memoryvault

    “highly paranoid” with “delusional”….

    Understandable.
    The media and the do-gooders went to great lengths convincing him he was “special”.
    He wasn’t. He was just another little white trash pretending to be Aboriginal.
    Now that he is no longer classed as a “child” they are no longer interested in him.

    The lad will be learning some harsh lessons about adult prison life over the next couple of years.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Going down nostalgia lane, I have a very amusing book by Helen Townsend called ‘Baby Boomers: Growing up in Australia in the 1940’s, 50’s and 60’s’, which I thoroughly recommend to all those reminiscing here tonight on old fred and new. Simon and Schuster, 1988, probably out of print, but hunt it up.

    It’s oral recording, and absolutely hilarious. It has sections, some samples:

    Smoking and Drinking
    ‘Four kids and one cigarette and we thought we were impressing the girls’

    Mum caught me sneaking a cup of sherry when I was ten. “You’ll end up like your grandmother,” she said. That scared me.

    Myths and Misconceptions

    “My mother carefully explained to me what the horizon was. For years, I was convinced it was the spot on the top of the big hill at Gerringong”

    “I felt sick all through my childhood. It was probably all the cures we had.”

    Crime and Punishment:
    “My mother secretly approved of choko fights because it meant she did’nt have to make choko jam or choko preserve.

    “Acorns could hit hard if you were a good shot. They were lethal with a slingshot”

    “We had an old nun at school who’d doze off during lessons. One day I crept us and tied her shoe laces together. She was fully conscious when she was belting me.”

    “I pushed a kid down the waterfall – just because he had red hair. I felt okay about it when I knew he wasn’t dead.”
    Saturday Flicks
    ‘At our local theatre the screen wasn’t big enough for the film. At the end, you voted whether next week you’d have the top or the bottom half. All the big kids who came with their girlfriends and just wanted to kiss voted for the bottom half”.
    “I wasn’t allowed to see Rebel without a Cause. I went anyway and felt a bit disappointed. I thought I was going to be incited to rebellion”.
    The Radio
    “I got Blue Hills by osmosis. We listened to it every night with tea. Even though I wasn’t particularly interested the character became part of my life.
    Sex Education

    “We moved in very quick succession from ‘self abuse’ to the horrors of VD. It was pretty clear to me the direction I was heading in. It frightened me, but not enough to actually stop.”

    —-
    hundreds of other gems, good any day for a laugh

  22. zyconoclast

    Dylan Voller – “Aboriginal”.

    The shirt and patches look authentic to me.

  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Marilyn 1963, linkie which I forgot.

  24. Lazlo

    But what Rocket Reddy did to Olling in the 1977 Grand Final replay was verging on criminal.

    I expect there is no one here can remember that.

  25. johanna

    MV, he’s a nasty piece of work. If you look at his record, he has no compunction at all about slugging innocent people with heavy bits of metal, and so on. But, he was a poster child for various liberals – and I only wish they offered to put him up at their home for a month or two. Preferably if they have daughters.

    OK, I take that back, the daughters don’t deserve it. But, you get the idea.

    TheirABC and other likeminded media lionised this psycho as some sort of hero. I’m guessing that it will be crickets from now on.

  26. Ellie

    That was my Aboriginal contribution

  27. Memoryvault

    That was my Aboriginal contribution

    Nothing like a bit of “traditional” Aboriginal music.
    I especially liked the “traditional” lead electric guitar work about two thirds the way through.

  28. Top Ender

    Can’t wait until this one happens:

    There will be born males in female changing rooms; burly trans-women, who have benefited from the testosterone carnival that is male puberty, taking part in women’s sports; born males putting themselves forward for all-women shortlists in politics; and people actually saying ‘I am a woman and therefore you must wax my testicles’.

    Entire article well worth reading.

  29. Memoryvault

    MV, he’s a nasty piece of work.

    What do you you reckon the odds are, Johanna, that the next time we hear from him in a couple of years when he gets out of grown up prison, he’ll have changed his name to Mo Hom Ad, and declare a holy Jihad against us white infidels.

  30. johanna

    I wouldn’t bet against that, Peter.

    Is Boofhead warming up the bed for you?

    Speaking of animals, I was reflecting on my comment earlier about Blackie (a Lab/Kelpie cross) and his bones.

    Nobody taught him that gnawing on bones was a thing. It was in his DNA. He didn’t get appreciable amounts of food from it, I suppose it was good for his teeth, but why?

    One of Life’s Little Mysteries.

  31. Memoryvault

    Boofhead is strange, Johanna.
    For pretty much the whole day he divides his time between eating, sleeping on the main bed in the bedroom, and making occasional forays outside just because he can. But about 9.00 pm he relocates out here onto the camp stretcher we both shared for so long.

    From there he can meow accusingly at me until I finally give up and go to bed. The later I leave it (like tonight) the louder and more petulant become his protests.

    But as soon as I close the lid to the laptop he knows, and will immediately jump off, run into the bedroom and burrow in under the doona awaiting my arrival.

    He has me well trained.

  32. johanna

    Yep, cats have staff.

    Goodnight, all.

  33. Memoryvault

    Well that’s both wine and cigarette finished.
    Time to make Boffhead happy.
    Night all.

  34. jupes

    An Indigenous man who first held a paintbrush a year ago has taken out Australia’s richest landscape prize worth $100,000.

    Check the picture out. It has to be seen to be believed. What a rort.

    I like the thumbs up. He is pulling the piss and good on him. If stupid whities are foolish enough to give a lazy 100k for putting a few dots on a canvas then hook in I say.

    Remember a decade or two ago an Abo woman won the prize to great acclaim for a similar work. Then it was discovered that her white husband had painted it.

    Sorry you will have to scroll back to the last thread to find the link from Top Ender.

  35. jupes

    “We moved in very quick succession from ‘self abuse’ to the horrors of VD. It was pretty clear to me the direction I was heading in. It frightened me, but not enough to actually stop.”

    LOL

  36. jupes

    Sorry Tom for interrupting your most important contribution to the Cat. But hey, I’m slightly drunk and waiting for dinner.

    The best bit about living in Frogland is the cheap wine.

  37. Nob

    Ellie
    #3111582, posted on July 20, 2019 at 1:39 am
    That was my Aboriginal contribution

    It’s an OK track Ellie but the sentiments are vacuous.

    Across the River by Yugul has more depth.
    Featuring the late Chris Wilson on da moothie.

    Terrific track.

    Anybody knows how to embed a video, please fix.

    Across the River

  38. notafan

    Has the demented domatrix gone to bed. Or will he spring into action as soon as I post, like the frighbat he is?

    Looking forward to the next session of unintelligible bilious abuse.

    What a winner.

  39. John Constantine

    Iran pirates a British oil tanker in the gulf.

    No reason for Australia to have strategic fuel reserves, we have signed conventions promising ‘diesel in our time’.

  40. notafan

    Is this another one John?

  41. notafan

    Not a Trump issue then, the British PM’s responsibility.

    it is

  42. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom. All good stuff.
    .

  43. notafan

    Thomas Sowell has much to say that is just as relevant today as when he wrote it.

    From friends of the Earth to the gender pay gap to the wealth of the elderly.

    Thomas Sowell on sanctimony

  44. DrBeauGan

    To be fair, Dover is a very gentlemanly contributor, and argues entirely about reason and from the known principles of reason

    He’s a gentleman, a scholar, logical and very intelligent. Some people can’t handle that.

    I agree with the first two parts. Yes, he is logical and very intelligent, but that doesn’t make him right.

    I don’t think the subjective/objective dichotomy contributes much on the subject of morality.

    Is your toothache an objective fact? To you possibly, but not to me. I cannot perceive it, it’s an inference from your holding your jaw and moaning. To you, it’s very real. Likewise, your moral sense may be tells you the difference between right and wrong, but I have to infer that from your conduct, and by assuming that you are much like me and have the same sort of internal things that I can perceive directly in myself.

    Is morality subjective or objective? Both. The problem is that if you believe it is wholly subjective then you turn into a moral relativist, while if you believe it is wholly objective, you are led to believe, asArky did, that there are moral laws written into the universe. Then, like Dover and Notafan, you can set on the path of finding out exactly what they are so you can feel justified in telling others how to behave.

  45. notafan

    Tom I don’t say thank you for the toons any more because except for week in pictures I almost never look at them, I think I looked at a Rowe a while back to see what people were discussing.

    But I’m always grateful for WiP.

  46. notafan

    But of course telling people they should not tell people how to behave is telling them how to behave.

    Even if they didn’t tell anyone how to behave.

    Just told them they thought they were gross.

  47. DrBeauGan

    But of course telling people they should not tell people how to behave is telling them how to behave.

    I didn’t tell you that you shouldn’t be a moralising pain in the posterior, Notafan. It’s not a terribly attractive trait for most of us, but it’s what you are.

  48. 1735099

    Does the Chinese involvement in the Korean War not equate to “colonial adventures”? Or the Vietnam War? Of more recent times, what about the Chinese interest and increasing control of certain islands in the South China Sea for which other countries have had long held claims? Not “colonial adventures”, either? How about the Chinese policy of claiming Taiwan?

    Buy a map…..

  49. Robber Baron

    Dylan Voller – “Aboriginal”.

    It’s the attitude which makes him Abboriginal, not the physical features. Abboriginals consider themselves entitled to whiteys money and property and not subject to whitey law.

    I encounter Abboriginals all the time. The most recent incident was an abboriginal was parking his car and hit a guys car and made an obvious dent. The white guy was sitting in the car jumped out. The abbo said it was whiteys fault for parking too close to the white dividing line. Whitey asked for exchange of contact details. Abbo said he would get them from his car and just drove off.

    Cops called. Took 40 minutes to arrive and just told whitey to put in an insurance claim. They would not pursue the abboriginal despite two witnesses.

    Whitey has no rights against his abboriginal master. This is the reality folks.

  50. 1735099

    Marape should load the refugees on a vessel and take them to the nearest Australian port, and send the bill to Dutton.
    Their presence on Manus is a breach of PNG’s sovereignty.

  51. Robber Baron

    Oh…one more thing. They all wear abboriginal clothing (shits jackets etc with abboriginal flag etc) to let you know that they are your master.

    Know your place whitey!

  52. DrBeauGan

    Dinner alone tonight. Maria still has migraine. I am learning all sorts of useful Spanish words, like resaca, which means hangover. Maria denies it, but the symptoms do not include any visual effects but do include an aversion to bright lights. So I suspect resaca.

    She was definitely in pickled territory night before last so it’s plausible. She has a colossal capacity for plonk. It doesn’t seem to have much effect. It might make her slightly more exuberant, but it’s hard to tell.

  53. woolfe

    Dylan can be the new face of “The Voice”

  54. 1735099

    Marape should also visit Beijing, enter into discussions about a Chinese naval base in Moresby or Lae, and get their signature on an agreement.
    His next visit should be to Canberra, where he can wave the agreement under Dutton’s nose, and threaten to sign it unless the refugees are repatriated to Australia.
    That would concentrate Scomo’s mind somewhat.

  55. zyconoclast

    India aims to expel all illegal migrants, interior minister says

    NEW DELHI (Reuters) – India will identify and deport illegal immigrants from across the country, the interior minister said on Wednesday, stepping up a campaign that critics say could stoke religious tension and further alienate minority M00slims.

  56. DrBeauGan

    Your link tells me forbidden, zyco.

    Perhaps the site knows I’m not a feminist.

  57. 1735099

    It’s the attitude which makes him Abboriginal, not the physical features.

    I was sitting in my car in the Woolies car park at Atherton a few years ago whilst my bride was shopping.
    A person (non-Aboriginal) drove out of a parking bay in front of me and clipped the vehicle next to him on the way out with his substantial (and very poorly engineered) bull-bar.
    The damage was considerable.
    I took a note of the make, model, and number plate of the offending vehicle.
    About ten minutes later, the owner of the damaged vehicle (and his wife and kids) returned, and saw the damage. He was not pleased. He was, incidentally, Aboriginal.
    I passed the rego number and other details to him, together with my phone number, and offered to provide a statement if necessary.
    About two weeks later, he phoned and asked for the written statement which I posted.
    About six months later, I received a “thank-you” note in the mail. The offender’s insurance company had paid up.
    The moral of the story – race has SFA to do with attitude.
    Pricks come in all shapes, sizes and colours, as do decent people.

  58. notafan

    Judgemental to boot.

  59. Roger

    The silly bint can’t help herself:

    Ilhan Omar tells America’s media that Trump is a racist and a fascist.

    Much projection going on there, methinks.

    Meanwhile, in a NYT column that drew 5000 comments, including one from the POTUS, Thomas Friedman pleaded with Democrats to put the revolution on the back burner, lest they gift the 2020 election to Trump.

    Friedman’s main concern was not “the Squad” but the socialist policies being espoused by the Democrat candidates in the June debates.

  60. 1735099

    The Chinese are very interested in PNG.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Their presence on Manus is a breach of PNG’s sovereignty.

    Numbers – Their presence in Australia would be a breach of Australia’s sovereignty, which is why they’re on Manus. Therefore PNG should immediately deport them to their home countries. I’m sure the RAN could help with some orange lifeboats if PNG doesn’t have the necessary kit.

  62. 2dogs

    Their presence on Manus is a breach of PNG’s sovereignty.

    But PNG agreed to have them there, a deal negotiated by Tintin.

  63. John Constantine

    BBC says two british oil tankers now in Iranian hands.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49053383

    Australia left it too late to take steps to stop Iran’s hezbollah proxies from becoming drug and smuggling and security firm power cells in Australian cities.

    Prepping with a swap and go gas cylinder or two, with a camping gas light and a gas barbecue isn’t expensive. Unless you live in a Dogbox Ponxi apartment development clad in peoples liberation army napalm sheets.

  64. woolfe

    Did you see Trump trolling this morning.

    Said something like:

    “We have a number of ships in the Gulf, but they are war ships. Since we have enough energy we have very few tankers in the Gulf.”

  65. John Constantine

    Their theresa may has left a timebomb for Boris.

  66. Farmer Gez

    Numbers wants to set up PNG as a Chinese vassal state to spite Canberra.

    What problems could we foresee with Indonesia next door?

    Go for a walk you dill.

  67. Roger

    His next visit should be to Canberra, where he can wave the agreement under Dutton’s nose, and threaten to sign it unless the refugees are repatriated to Australia.

    Why should they be “repatriated” to Australia?

    They entered illegally and according to Mr Bechani most don’t want to come here.

    But the mind of Mr. Dutton – between whose rhetoric and actions a long shadow is cast – does need to be concentrated on resolving this issue.

    It seems to me a golden opportunity has just been let slip: we should have leaned upon the world renowned human rights advocate Jacinda Ardern to take them, in return promising to cease deporting NZers with criminal records who have no meaningful links to the land of their birth.

    The only other option now, it seems, is to do what the EU does, quietly but efficiently, at least until Frau Merkel opened the flood gates, and forcibly repatriate those determined not to be refugees to their homelands.

  68. dover_beach

    Is your toothache an objective fact? To you possibly, but not to me. I cannot perceive it, it’s an inference from your holding your jaw and moaning.

    Is gravity an objective fact? You don’t perceive it directly, all you see are things remaining still, or objects falling, or orbiting another object and such like, so directly perceiving doesn’t appear to exhaust what is suitably objective.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    The buzz about the movie version of Cats is fun.

    Nolte: ‘Cats’ Trailer Hit with Worst Backlash in Hollywood History

    In all the decades I’ve been watching the movie business, never before have I seen such an overwhelmingly negative backlash to a movie trailer. In fact, I’ve never seen anything close to the unified revulsion toward the upcoming musical Cats.

    Read on…

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Pricks come in all shapes, sizes and colours, as do decent people.’

    Checklist:
    Accurate – yes
    Rational – yes
    References to Vietnam – 0

    Get your cameras out, people. Four Leaf’s having some sort of epiphany.

  71. DrBeauGan

    Is gravity an objective fact? You don’t perceive it directly, all you see are things remaining still, or objects falling, or orbiting another object and such like, so directly perceiving doesn’t appear to exhaust what is suitably objective.

    No. It’s a theory to account for the behaviour of objects having mass. The behaviour of massive objects are the objective facts, because there is agreement on what the behaviour actually is.

  72. bespoke

    rickw
    #3111627, posted on July 20, 2019 at 7:05 am
    Demoted for unauthorised killing of Nazi’s:

    I can see that raid failing if designed by committee and killing more civilians.

  73. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez

    #3111654, posted on July 20, 2019 at 7:58 am

    Numbers wants to set up PNG as a Chinese vassal state to spite Canberra.

    What problems could we foresee with Indonesia next door?

    Go for a walk you dill.

    The Commie would relish that, Gez.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    “I pushed a kid down the waterfall – just because he had red hair.”

    Well done that man.

  75. zyconoclast

    Your link tells me forbidden, zyco.

    Perhaps the site knows I’m not a feminist.

    It worked for me.
    Try this

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/18/feminist-magazine-admits-migrants-behind-most-pool-sex-assaults/

  76. 132andBush

    A commie base, that is.

  77. Roger

    BBC says two british oil tankers now in Iranian hands.

    “[The UK Foreign Secretary] said the seizures were “completely unacceptable” and “freedom of navigation must be maintained”.

    “We are absolutely clear that if this situation is not resolved quickly there will be serious consequences,” he said.

    “We are not looking at military options. We are looking at a diplomatic way to resolve this situation but we are very clear that it must be resolved.”‘

    International Diplomacy 101: Play with all relevant cards on the table.

    The Iranians will now extract maximum concessions from the British.

  78. zyconoclast

    I’m surprised they haven’t renamed it the glory hole.

    Banned words: Berkeley drops gendered language from city codes

    “Manpower” will be eschewed for “human effort” or “workforce,” while “maintenance hole” will replace “manhole.”

  79. zyconoclast

    The case of the Humboldt Park alligator is shedding light on illegal animal dumping, which rescue groups call a major issue in Chicago.

    Experts say the problem is getting worse and more frustrating, with people ditching everything from cats to full-grown pigs.

  80. Twostix

    So with one tweet trump has made that weirdo muzzie Somalian goblin front and centre as the leader of the democrats.

    Just two months after crowning that horse mouthed mexican AOC (who he has just dethroned).

    This is Classic Trump. He’s playing the democrats like the contestants in a series of The Apprentice (you’re in charge, no now you’re in charge, no now you get my attention – so you are in charge).

    Meanwhile inside the group tensions and in-fighting rises, did the Somalian marry her brother? Will AOC drink out of a toilet to impress The Donald and gain back the crown? Find out next week on Trump’s American Democrat.

  81. John Constantine

    Their turnmerkel as prime minister was too busy having feasts with catnip waleed and holding his gold logie to bother proscribing foreign cartels that were taking over australias security industry and drug trade and monetising the war on cigarettes.

    Will scomo dare?.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2019/March/Hizballah_proscription

    https://theconversation.com/hezbollah-ban-is-partly-a-performance-of-british-national-identity-112572

    Different to Britain

    It’s easy to see proscription as a tool the UK is using to achieve a certain goal – namely, increasing its national security. But as our research indicates, such decisions are also part of the process through which a country, such as the UK, demonstrates or performs its self-identity.

    The addition of new organisations to the list of proscribed groups since the passage of the Terrorism Act has repeatedly relied upon the framing of those groups not only as a threat; but also as radically different, or other, to the UK. In the relevant British parliamentary debates, for example, Islamic State was described as “barbaric” during its listing 2014; Hezb-e Islami, in 2005, as “murderous and unpleasant”; Al-Shabaab, in 2010, was described as “clearly a very nasty group”, while Ansaru’s violences in 2012 were characterised as “barbaric and despicable”.

    Framing these groups and their violence in this way doesn’t simply represent or depict them as an evil, irrational, and uncivilised. It constructs them as such in way that works to confirm a sense of Britain as a good, rational, and civilised space – everything that the terrorists are not.

    This self-identity is also frequently explicitly confirmed in discussion around proscribing certain groups. Parliamentary debates on additions to this list, for instance, have been saturated with references to the need for patient, responsible and evidence-based decisions as well as with depictions of the UK as a multicultural, liberal democracy respectful of its international obligations. Such characterisations – and the broader political ritual of which they form part – mean banning an organisation is a way of performing liberal democracy. Paradoxically, this can lead to quite illiberal outcomes, including restrictions on freedoms of speech and association.

    The banning of terrorist groups today is the most recent incarnation of a longstanding series of ways to outlaw and politically exclude people. Through these practices, countries such as the UK have sought to draw a boundary between the domestic realm of internal security and a series of other external dangers. In medieval Europe, for example, those identified as outlaws were literally cast out of society. Their “otherness” was confirmed through a whole lexicon of metaphorical terminology, with newly-excluded individuals referred to in England as a “wolf’s head”.

    In the millennium or so that has passed since states began to create laws that allowed them to outlaw people, the targets of these powers have been wide and sometimes surprising. They’ve included royalists, revolutionaries, Irish republicans, fascists, as well as those resisting British colonial rule at home and abroad.

    The banning of Hezbollah, Ansaroul Islam and JNIM offers the latest in a series of efforts to carve out a British sense of self by juxtaposing it to external danger. In that sense, the banning has rather less to do with national security – or even with the national interest – than it does with the performance of national identity.

  82. notafan

    If it’s just a theory why don’t you walk off a cliff like the coyote?

  83. bespoke

    The moral of the story – race has SFA to do with attitude.

    Yep and no one is above criticism.

  84. The Countess

    Steve Trickler – what’s the name of that earthquake predicting guy please? I thought his videos were great 🙂 TIA

  85. John Constantine

    Their turnmerkel as prime minister was too busy having feasts with catnip waleed and holding his gold logie to bother proscribing foreign cartels that were taking over australias security industry and drug trade and monetising the war on cigarettes.

    Will scomo dare?.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2019/March/Hizballah_proscription

    https://theconversation.com/hezbollah-ban-is-partly-a-performance-of-british-national-identity-112572

  86. Twostix

    It’s astounding that retarded leftwing mediocrites cannot see that Trump is deliberately putting attention onto these squatters because it suits him.

    How long have right wingers dreamed and begged to have the like of AOC and Somalian woman paraded in front of normies, just so they can see!

    Sweiously though I think he’s helping out his old democrat friends like Pelosi and Biden, he’s seen them struggling to contain these uppity squatters so he’s lent a hand.

  87. Nick

    In fact, I’ve never seen anything close to the unified revulsion toward the upcoming musical Cat

    We could have told them that before it was green lit. Who would watch such shit?

  88. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s interesting Voller’s turned up again in Perth. Predictable, but interesting.

    Perth’s where his (white, btw) granny is. And granny must be – not cashed-up, don’t get we wrong – in possession of some recurring disposable income. I say this because granny’s Perth pad has become Voller’s go-to whenever he’s on the lam from the cops in the NT, QLD and NSW.

    And all because he’s the target of racism. If, by racism, you mean selling heroin and ice, belting people with three-foot star pickets, ‘assaulting’ any lady with the lack of sense to associate herself with him, trying to run over the constabulary in stolen cars and waving his dick around at railway stations.

    Big boy prison is not doing him any favours. There are no youth workers on call to hold his hand. There are screws, not staff.

    He has gone from being a shih Tzu in a room full of hampsters* to a shih Tzu in a room full of Irish wolfhounds. And he doesn’t like it.

    He’s not long for this world, our justice-loving Dylan. He’ll OD one too many times out of view of people who won’t call an ambulance, or addled by meth he’ll pick a fight with someone who won’t care that he used to be the face of a RC and end up the victim of some amateur surgery and dumped in an industrial bin.

    At which point he’ll probably be lionised as some form of martyr. I still hold out hope, though, that when it happens most people will realise that despite all the publicity and victim-seeking, Voller was just another garden-variety scrote to be thrown on the pile along with all the others.

    *Millennial spelling.

  89. Twostix

    Also waiting for Trump’s attention is that the entire left from radical to “moderate” now favor the complete abolition of borders (and so the nation state) because racist.

    As we alk now the abolition of borders and the nation state being a racist construct are and have always been the core of the fringe antifa (communist) leftwing dogma. The tail wags the dog on the left now, all political machines get taken over by their militant groups in times of crises.

    Good luck getting elected anywhere ever again!

  90. zyconoclast

    Trump arse-clownery confirmed

    Just spoke to @KanyeWest about his friend A$AP Rocky’s incarceration. I will be calling the very talented Prime Minister of Sweden to see what we can do about helping A$AP Rocky. So many people would like to see this quickly resolved!

    from Wiki

    Legal incidents
    In 2004, Mayers served two weeks in Rikers Island for drug dealing, where he shared a cell with future rapper Casanova.[15]

    On July 19, 2012,[25] he was arrested after an alleged involvement in a brawl, with 21-year-old artist iRome in downtown Manhattan.[26][105]

    On August 31, 2013, Mayers allegedly slapped a woman during the Budweiser Made in America Festival. He was charged “with misdemeanor simple assault, a class two misdemeanor”.[106] The case was dismissed after a witness failed to appear to court.[107] The woman later filed a lawsuit in July 2014, stating that she still suffered certain conditions following the alleged assault.[107] Mayers stated that he never touched the woman, and that she “should have known that there could be trouble in place with so many people”.[108] The lawsuit was settled between the two in April 2015.[109]

    Assault in Sweden
    In July 2019, he was arrested for aggravated assault (later changed to just assault)[110][111] in Stockholm, Sweden after a concert, after he and his entourage were involved in a brawl on June 30.[112][113][114] The victim was beaten, kicked and cut with broken bottles when down on the ground.[115] The victim was taken by ambulance to a hospital where he required stitches.[116] ASAP Rocky’s bodyguard also filed a counter complaint.[117] ASAP Rocky’s ongoing tour was put on hiatus for the trial.[118] As it was judged there is a risk that he flees or tampers with evidence he may be kept in custody at Kronoberg remand prison until August.[116][119][120]

    He was visited by personnel from the US embassy shortly after his arrest.[121] Some other artists have called for a boycott of Sweden due to the incident.[122][123] A petition to release him has also been started.[124] He has denied rumours about “inhumane” conditions.[125][126] The allegedly “inedible” food included turkey, veal, and rhubarb pie with custard.[127] Mayers’ attorney Henrik Olsson Lilja has refuted the claims, stating that “he has been treated correctly.”[128][129] The family have asked Al Sharpton for help.[130] Former US ambassador to Sweden Mark Brzezinski suggested that the government should interfere and speculates that racism may have been the cause of the brawl.[131] Foreign minister Margot Wallström said the government will not interfere. Ove Bring, professor emeritus in international law and former international law adviser at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, finds it strange that an ambassador doesn’t understand the separation of powers. He would expect it from countries like China or Russia, but not from a democratic state. Fredrik Wersäll, former Prosecutor-General of Sweden, is also surprised.[132] According to Dennis Martinsson, a criminal law professor in Sweden, having the suspect in detention is normal in this type of case. He also said the case will likely end in prosecution.[133] The police conducted a search of the hotel room of ASAP Rocky’s manager.[134] ASAP Rocky has hired a new defense lawyer.[134] In a move unknown in Swedish criminal history his US management hired a PR firm.[135] On the 19th of July the prosecutor asked for an extension until Thursday to finish the investigation.[136][137][138] First Lady Melania Trump asked President Donald Trump to get involved with Rocky’s extradition, with assistance from the State Department.[139]

  91. Twostix

    Sweden is the enemy of all good and righteous people Zyco. They deserve to be beaten by their overlords.

  92. stackja

    The Countess
    #3111676, posted on July 20, 2019 at 8:16 am
    Steve Trickler – what’s the name of that earthquake predicting guy please? I thought his videos were great 🙂 TIA

    In case Steve Trickler is missing?

    dutchsinse – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHE92x768p8h-fMrqhsnE1Q
    Earthquake forecasting , and geophysics research since 2010 from Dutchsinse – Michael Yuri Janitch.

    ??

  93. 1735099

    “A Commie base, that is”.

    So China is suddenly a “Communist” state?
    And North Korea is “democratic”?
    And Hitler was a “Socialist”?

    You’ve been drinking the Katallaxy Kooaid.

  94. C.L.

    50 years ago today …
    The most revered leader of the modern Democrat Party killed Mary Jo Kopechne by deliberately leaving her to drown in an Oldsmobile. In later life, he revealed he always liked a good Mary-Jo Kopechne joke.

  95. lotocoti

    the movie version of Cats is fun.

    I’m still waiting for Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Shoah musical, The Sound of Munich.
    (From the I’m Sorry I Haven’t A Clue archives.)

  96. Tel

    Is gravity an objective fact? You don’t perceive it directly, all you see are things remaining still, or objects falling, or orbiting another object and such like, so directly perceiving doesn’t appear to exhaust what is suitably objective.

    It feels like you perceive the weight of an object directly. You can tell which objects are heavy, and which are not. What’s more you can demonstrate portability, in as much as the heavy object remains heavy regardless of where it is taken to. You can take two objects, one heavy and one lighter and get many different people to try picking them up and they will agree over which is which. You can also build a beam-balance or similar apparatus to compare the weight of objects and thus demonstrate other properties such as linearity, etc. If you want to do any proper measurement, you need a reference of course, and then you are measuring relative to that reference object. For mass you can purchase a set of weights or use an electronic scale which contains some calibrated load cells as it’s internal reference object.

    Perception of the inverse square law of gravity is a bit more difficult, it’s fair to say that orbits could be caused by various different mechanisms, and we cannot be 100% sure there are no invisible strings out there. However the inverse square law is [A] quite simple, and [B] works for all small distance orbits such as within the solar system, and [C] consistent with what we can measure, until you hit Einstein’s Relativity which is only a problem if you are moving nearly at the speed of light.

    Therefore by Occam’s Razor the inverse square law of gravity is good enough for most purposes. All science is merely working theories that do the job, none of it claims to be proven in the logical sense.

    Once you add the extra allowance for Relativity you get something very accurate, to the best of what we can measure, right up to the scale of galaxies, etc at which point you run into the whole “Dark Matter” issue, in as much as there’s a force out there which seems to hold things together stronger than gravity, and no one knows exactly what the force might be. Given that it’s a long way away, I doubt it’s worth worrying about, but it keeps theoretical physicists in employment.

  97. zyconoclast

    Sweden is the enemy of all good and righteous people Zyco. They deserve to be beaten by their overlords.

    I agree.

    But wasting US resources trying to return a convicted criminal is just stupid and a waste of time.
    Let the degenerate stay in Sweden while they get beaten down.

    Video of the alleged assault in Sweden here

  98. stackja

    C.L.
    #3111689, posted on July 20, 2019 at 8:38 am

    Associated Press Whitewashes Ted Kennedy’s Chappaquiddick Crime

    Thursday marked a half-century since the night that the married Sen. Kennedy drove home drunk from a party shortly after midnight in Cape Cod with the 28-year-old Kopechne in his passenger seat. While driving over a bridge, the drunken 37-year-old crashed his car into the stream below. He was able to make it to shore from the shallow water. It is unclear if Ted Kennedy made any attempt whatsoever to dive back in and free Kopechne who was still trapped in the car, but it is clear that he did not call the police nor did he stop for help. Instead, he went back to his hotel room and slept. He waited for more than eight hours before reporting the incident to local police, but not before thoroughly crafting a cover plan to avoid jail with his family, attorneys, and allies in the Massachusetts justice system in order maintain his place in the United States senate.

    That “coverup” is still going on to this day. The evidence and testimony from family, friends, and experts says that Kopechne would still be alive today if Fat Ted had simply manned up and called 911 rather than worry about his political career. But, rather than mention any of that, the Associated Press sent a dumbed-down version of the events as part of July 18, 2019 “Today in History” print column as well as on their AP Images Twitter account.

  99. C.L.

    The people who say Trump is the worst … This is who they are:

  100. Knuckle Dragger

    Voller is also, by the way, an ‘aspiring rapper’.

    Which means he hasn’t stolen enough shit yet to make a full rapping ensemble, or that he has but keeps putting the proceeds up his arm.

  101. The Countess

    That’s the dude…thank you stackja 🙂

  102. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s the attitude which makes him Abboriginal, not the physical features. Abboriginals consider themselves entitled to whiteys money and property and not subject to whitey law.

    Just after the Mabo judgement was handed down, the cops in the Wheatbelt town where the family farm is, received a deputation of the “tribal elders.”

    “Mabo means we don’t have to follow “whitefella’s” law, any more.”

  103. Mater

    1735099
    #3111646, posted on July 20, 2019 at 7:47 am

    The Chinese are very interested in PNG.

    Do try to keep your excitement under control, Bob.

  104. Boambee John

    So China is suddenly a “Communist” state?

    Suddenly??

    The seagull has totally lost its sh1t!

  105. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #3111696, posted on July 20, 2019 at 8:48 am
    The people who say Trump is the worst … This is who they are:”

    The fact is that Kennedy men kill women.

  106. dover_beach

    I love the sound of RazorFist in the morning: Ave Cicero.

  107. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater,

    Bob may be softening in his old age. I’m sure it’s just temporary, though.

    He may be finally working out that nobody – absolutely nobody – cares that for ten months of his 70-odd years on this Earth, he was compelled to serve his country instead of voluntarily sponging off it.

  108. zyconoclast

    Naturalized U.S. citizen charged with becoming ISIS sniper and weapons instructor

    Ruslan Maratovich Asainov, a Kazakhstan-born, naturalized U.S citizen is alleged to have traveled to Istabul, Turkey, in late 2013 before moving across the border into Syria where he became a sniper for the designated terrorist outfit.

  109. mh

    But wasting US resources trying to return a convicted criminal is just stupid and a waste of time.
    Let the degenerate stay in Sweden while they get beaten down.

    Video of the alleged assault in Sweden here

    * sigh *

    Those retarded middle eastern immigrants had been following the Americans around the city and were told a hundred times “stop following us”. In the end they got bashed which was a fitting end.

    After the middle easterners got bashed the Americans were told by local girls well done as they had been sexually assaulted by them.

    What’s your problem, Zyclon?

  110. Cassie of Sydney

    “You’ve been drinking the Katallaxy Kooaid.”

    The Catallaxy Kool Aid is infinitely better than what the SS guard drinks all day…a nectar of socialist fascist Jooo hatred. Like all good fascists…of either the far left or far right persuasion..he doesn’t have a conscience. I wonder how many dead Joos the SS guard will fantasise about today…..perhaps he’s been listening to his Hamas mate, Fatti Hamad….and Fatt’s exhortation to kill Jooos all over the world. At least Fatti Hamad is honest about his desires unlike the SS guard.

  111. stackja

    The Squad member explained?

    Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party
    Minnesota – The median age was 36.9 years.

    Out of the 8 seats Minnesota is apportioned in the U.S. House of Representatives, 5 are held by Democrats:MN-05: Ilhan Omar

  112. zyconoclast

    Communications Task Force at Colorado State University.

    Inclusive Language Guide

    WORD/PHRASE TO AVOID
    American/America

    The Americas encompass a lot more than the United States. There is South America, Central America, Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean just to name a few of 42 countries in total. That’s why the word “americano” in Spanishcan refer to anything on the American continent. Yet, when we talk about “Americans” in the United States, we’re usually just referring to people from the United States. This erases other cultures and depicts the United States as the dominant American country.

    SUGGESTION FOR REPLACEMENT
    U.S. citizen; person from the U.S.

  113. dover_beach

    No. It’s a theory to account for the behaviour of objects having mass. The behaviour of massive objects are the objective facts, because there is agreement on what the behaviour actually is.

    Sure, in one sense gravity is a theory, but I’m referring to the force, ‘gravity’, which you never directly perceive but only indirectly by means of the behavior of objects with mass/ energy interacting with one another. The same is true of electrons, photons, space, time, magnetic fields, and so on, none of which you directly perceive either but which are objective, real, nonetheless.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3111643, posted on July 20, 2019 at 7:46

    I was sitting in my car in the Woolies car park at Atherton a few years ago whilst my bride was shopping

    Misogynistic male privilege patriarchy writ large.

  115. cohenite

    I see the traitorous troll is full of piss and vinegar this morning enthused and giving advice to foreign nations about how to screw Australia up. It’s open border inferences put him midway in the policy vomit position which is the demorat attitude to such things.

    More real art from John Earl. I have many Of John’s works covering the magnificent beaches around Newcastle. He and Bathgate who I linked to on the other thread in the context of head prefect’s philistine utterances about art are great landscape artists who are not widely known.

  116. JC

    Ronery

    Did some terrible aboriginal man touch you in some way as a child. Real question not to mock you in anyway. You appear totally obsessed by these people. Something went on, so share with us as we want to help.

  117. Mater

    So China is suddenly a “Communist” state?

    Bob’s right…in a manner of speaking.
    No ‘Communist’ country has ever got past the first of Marx’s two stage plan.
    Stage 1: “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”
    Stage 2: “Full Communism”

    They all get stuck in Stage 1, because human nature dictates it to be so.
    I guess “Dictatorship” is as utopian as we get.

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Haha.

    ‘my bride’

    Ooooooh!!!! Four Leaf owns women! BOOOO!

  119. DrBeauGan

    If it’s just a theory why don’t you walk off a cliff like the coyote?

    It’s not just a theory. It’s a theory to which I subscribe.

  120. 1735099

    The seagull has totally lost its sh1t!

    How many communes are there in “Communist” China these days?

  121. stackja

    Assault of Senator Charles Sumner

    The 1850s saw the House bitterly divided over the issue of slavery, which led to one of the more incendiary and violent events in congressional history. On May 22, 1856, Representative Preston Brooks of South Carolina entered the Senate Chamber and repeatedly struck Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts over the head with a cane. The assault was in reaction to a speech in which Sumner criticized slavery and the Senators who supported it, including Andrew Butler, a relative of Brooks.

  122. Cassie of Sydney

    “Knuckle Dragger
    #3111721, posted on July 20, 2019 at 9:16 am
    LL,

    Haha.

    ‘my bride’

    Ooooooh!!!! Four Leaf owns women! BOOOO!”

    I thought the same thing….actually it made my flesh crawl. Perhaps the better description is “poor bride”…I wonder if he yet knows where her vagina is and where her vulva is.

  123. Spider

    Is it just me but has anyone else noticed how much Nick McKim looks like Bob Brown?

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    Verrrry slow news day.

    Doctor of something (probably a theorist) on Sky opining on the dangers of ‘second-hand drinking’.

    Apparently, and according to the good doctor more than two standard drinks turns you into a raving, abusive monster. Evidently nobody on earth can have a beer without turning into a child-belting, window-smashing yowling at the moon lunatic.

    I did not know that.

  125. Geriatric Mayfly

    There should be similar whelpings among some victim group here, in the near future, as a result of ScoMo’s destruction of Shorten.

    A rise in premature births among Latina
    women may be linked to Trump’s election,
    study says

  126. duncanm

    Memoryvault
    #3111543, posted on July 20, 2019 at 12:20 am

    Fantastic Steve.

    MV – if you like Morricone’s music, check out this rendition of Jill’s theme.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOy6M_X2MO8

    Vocally simple, but very moving.

    The young lass has turned into quite the Opera Singer.

    (ps: the looks from the other contestants are worth inspecting)

  127. Eyrie

    “WORD/PHRASE TO AVOID
    American/America”

    Funny that. The United States of America is the only country on both continents with the word “America” in its name.
    Hilarious.

  128. stackja

    JC posted about himself

    Do I sound grumpy? I hope not.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    I wonder if he yet knows where her vagina is and where her vulva is.

    The Vulva is parked in the supermarket car park with an impatient dead-beat spastic herder at the wheel waiting for his chattel to return with the makings for a sammitch.

  130. Mater

    The moral of the story – race has SFA to do with attitude.
    Pricks come in all shapes, sizes and colours, as do decent people.

    False equivalence, Bob. Cute try though.
    The asshole in your story didn’t know the ethnicity of the owner of the other car.
    That just makes him a prick, as opposed to a rac1st prick.

  131. dover_beach

    If you want to do any proper measurement, you need a reference of course, and then you are measuring relative to that reference object.

    I don’t think this is true of temperature.

    For mass you can purchase a set of weights or use an electronic scale which contains some calibrated load cells as it’s internal reference object.

    You’re confusing a unit measure of mass with mass per se. That also appears to be the case above. Space can be measured in feet, or yards, or metres, or whatever so long as we know what we mean by feet or yard or metre, but space is objective, real, without any of those units of measure.

    Perception of the inverse square law of gravity

    You don’t perceive the inverse square law of gravity, you infer it from the behaviour of the planets orbitting the Sun.

  132. Cassie of Sydney

    “The Vulva is parked in the supermarket car park with an impatient dead-beat spastic herder at the wheel waiting for his chattel to return with the makings for a sammitch.”

    LL…you always make me laugh….you are so witty!

  133. Knuckle Dragger

    A suitable time for the timeless question:

    Q: Why do brides wear white?
    A: To match all the other appliances.

  134. Some History

    Socialists’ weapon of choice: Climate alarmism

    Climate scaremongering serves as a central strategy of the U.N.’s global governance wealth redistribution agenda.
    As then-Canadian Minister of the Environment Christiana Figueres told the Calgary Herald in 1988, “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony . . . climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
    Speaking in her capacity as FCCC’s Executive Secretary at a 2015 climate conference in Brussels, Figueres said, “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution.”
    In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev confirmed the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives — “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

    RTWT

    https://www.cfact.org/2019/07/14/socialists-weapon-of-choice-climate-alarmism/

  135. JC

    Stack

    Stop excusing / making light of ronery’s mental issues. He’s very ill.

  136. Geriatric Mayfly

    Big boy prison is not doing him any favours. There are no youth workers on call to hold his hand.

    ABC take note. And it won’t be a spit hood clamped on his head in there. A trussed nappy will be in order in case he feels the urge to throw his shit at passersby.

  137. C.L.

    Is it just me but has anyone else noticed how much Nick McKim looks like Bob Brown?

    It’s just you … because I have no idea who Nick McKim is.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    How many communes are there in “Communist” China these days?

    You are partly right Numbers.
    China is now fascist.
    They have realised that pure communism leads to national failure.
    So they’ve allowed companies to flourish and make money, so long as they kowtow.
    Like companies did in Italy and Germany in the thirties and forties.
    Now China is becoming imperialist in the same way Italy did and Germany tried to do.
    But they still call themselves communist.
    To do otherwise would be an insult to the holy Mao.

  139. duncanm

    British tanker in Hormuz

    “We are absolutely clear that if this situation is not resolved quickly there will be serious consequences,” he said.

    .. and what will those consequences be ?

    We will be very angry, and we will write a letter to tell you how angry we are

  140. Eyrie

    Nick mcKim was deported from PNG. He’s probably lucky not to have been eaten.

  141. C.L.

    Trump says ‘Iran is in big trouble’ after revelation that it seized TWO British tankers in the Persian Gulf

    ‘These seizures are unacceptable’: Hunt blasts Iran as he confirms TWO British vessels have been raided in the Gulf
    —————–
    Yeah yeah. Bla bla.

  142. duncanm

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3111662, posted on July 20, 2019 at 8:06 am

    “I pushed a kid down the waterfall – just because he had red hair.”

    got to be careful with those redheads.. (sorry.. in a video posting mood this morn)

    note 3:12

  143. Some History

    Look out, carnivores.

    “How about restaurants in 10-15 years start treating carnivores the same way that smokers are treated?” Figueres suggested during a recent conference. “If they want to eat meat, they can do it outside the restaurant.”
    https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/12/07/former-un-climate-chief-meat-eaters-should-be-banished-treated-the-same-way-that-smokers-are-treated/

  144. Geriatric Mayfly

    Trump says ‘Iran is in big trouble’

    Send in the drones, and nick that turban thingie off the Ayatollah’s head.

  145. Eyrie

    Cool! or rather warm:
    http://www.leonarddavid.com/making-mars-habitable-new-approach/
    Maybe Musk isn’t so silly. Mars might become the kind of place you CAN raise your kids and it won’t be cold as hell.

  146. John Constantine

    When does the money annually donated by Australia to Papua New Guinea, and the interest on Papua New Guinea one belt one road chicom loanshark debt simply cancel each other out?.

    When does Papua New Guinea promise of total compliance with the One China Policy lead to the next step?.

    How long until one belt one road yarragrad Nazgul kleptocracy proclaim total compliance with the One China Policy as well?.

  147. Some History

    Christiana Figueres looks like a puppet from Thunderbirds. In this case, a UN puppet.

    https://imgur.com/c3BsAQy

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    Last Voller-related comment for the day. Probably.

    The ‘iconic’ image of the pasty little maggot in a restraint chair and adorned with a spit hood was in fact an advertisement of doing the vomitous prick a favour.

    Not all that long ago, if you were playing up in the cells (allegedly and apparently) there were no courtesies like restraint chairs. You were just beaten until you couldn’t stand up any more, and thereafter were deemed compliant.

    And as for spit hoods – no spit, no hood. The earlier remedy was kinetic, as it’s distracting to try and spit with less teeth than you started with. Both are very common, in the NT at least. Half a dozen punters a day get put in them in Alice Springs, and even more in sunny Darwin.

    You would think by the hysteria that such measures were reserved for half-caste persecuted dickheads.

    Nope. Everyone’s eligible. Play the game, win the prize.

  149. bespoke

    USA go to war for two British tankers, nope.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Fantastic to hear Trump is going to rescue A$AP Rocky from the depraved and broken state of Sweden.

    He should nuke those freaks.

  151. John Constantine

    With yarragrad locked into signed capitulation to one belt one road, does this explain why Victorians must bail out the Ponxi dogbox apartment developer Landsharks, and the peoples liberation army slave labour napalm cladding will never be sued for not fit for purpose?.

    Comrades?.

  152. Leigh Lowe

    False equivalence, Bob. Cute try though.
    The asshole in your story didn’t know the ethnicity of the owner of the other car.
    That just makes him a prick, as opposed to a rac1st prick.

    You gotta laff.
    Private Spudentropp always comes up with a contrarian parable to counter anything advanced here.
    If it relates to Vietnam, the parable is usually plagiarised from M*A*S*H, with Spud playing the role of Hawkeye Pearce.

  153. zyconoclast

    Attacks on ‘white & male’ Moon landing prove no US achievement is too big for liberals to destroy

    Attempts to diminish the triumph of Apollo 11 and to reassign credit don’t just taint the 50th anniversary of the moon landing, but presage the technological decline of the US if it persists with identity politics.
    With the Founding Fathers now rarely mentioned in the media without side notes about their slave ownership, and the Betsy Ross flag offensive to Colin Kaepernick and Nike, there is nothing new about liberal attempts to strike at the very heart of American identity.

    But – leaving aside the conspiracy theorists – the moment Neil Armstrong stepped on the surface of the Moon on July 20, 1969 was objectively such a universal milestone that to qualify it seems a fight against human endeavor itself.

    Heroes retconned
    It would seem like the more logical route, for those who resent that this was a feat of white un-woke America, would be to try and diminish their role in favour of supposedly unsung heroes.

    Hidden Figures, the Oscar-winning film from 2016 was the perfect archetype of this revisionist history, exaggerating and fictionalizing the role of a cadre of politically suitable black women, who did an entirely replaceable job and were no more important than thousands of others involved.

    This way everyone would get to celebrate their own role models, even though in time such worthy changes of focus can end up with grotesque urban myths, like Crick and Watson stealing the Nobel Prize from (the actually dead) Rosalind Franklin.

    Celebrating white men in the age of Trump
    But while this unifying narrative, where people of different races and varying attainments are placed alongside each other in anniversary pieces, a more sour, radicalized note has begun to surface, compared to celebrations even five years ago, in the prelapsarian era of Barack Obama.

    It is not yet dominant, but persistent enough to be more than a coincidence.

    “The culture that put men on the moon was intense, fun, family-unfriendly, and mostly white and male,” tweeted the Washington Post, over a behind-the-scenes look at the life of those involved in the program.

    In archival Apollo 11 photos and footage, it’s a ‘Where’s Waldo?’ exercise to spot a woman or person of color,” it continued in the article itself.

    “We chose to go to the moon. Or at least, some did: watching [documentary film] Apollo 11, it is impossible not to observe that nearly every face you see is white and male,” left-wing magazine New Statesman wrote in a recent piece.

    A recent Guardian review of the documentary Armstrong features the writer talking about “good ol’ boys from NASA – elderly white men every one of them, who you suspect are still pining for the days of American life when men were men and women waited by the phone in headscarves,” though no evidence is given for the assertion.

    Why wasn’t von Braun a black woman?
    This is not just bigoted, but astonishing in its unfairness.

    Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins could not have helped being white at birth.

    George Mueller and Max Faget were not proverbial “mediocre white men” – their deeds are tangible.

    No one at NASA could have helped living in 1960s America, or made its social structures, workplace roles, and demographics fit in with 2019 journalists’ conceptions. For God’s sake, many were Germans who had served the Nazi Party with varying degrees of reluctance during World War II, before being whisked away through Operation Paperclip – how do they fit into 21st century privilege hierarchies? Could Wernher von Braun have been an African-American woman from Louisiana?

    Or would it have been better to stay on Earth until US society advanced enough to send the right people into space? Or perhaps let the Soviets get there first, since for all their class-based ideology they didn’t want to handicap themselves in the space race.

    America weighs itself down
    And handicap becomes the key word.

    Rewriting history is a crucial weapon in the long-term culture war for the left, disappointed so often at the ballot box. But the implications of this go far beyond the past.

    At the very edge of technological and scientific progress is a meritocracy – you can’t make someone a genius by appointing them. And for all the social changes, the key innovators at NASA and, more importantly, Silicon Valley, remain men, and predominantly white (though more often Asian). Whether it is more due to their superior opportunities, education or creativity, Elon Musk or Larry Page look just like the fathers of the space program.

    Yet to avoid ever producing a picture like the sea of white shirts and black ties and pale arms at Launch Operations Center fifty years ago, there are demands for rectification, for diversity, essentially for positive discrimination.

    But picking people for posts on the basis of historic justice, skin color and chromosome combinations is a recipe for uncompetitive organizations, where the most talented never succeed, or merely drag along the quota-fillers.

    And America’s rivals are not standing still – not just Russia now, but China, India and others. They would have no better chance to overtake the US in whatever is this century’s version of the space race, than if that nation decided to spit on its own achievements, and replace them with dogma.

    By Igor Ogorodnev

  154. Cassie of Sydney

    “Infidel Tiger
    #3111757, posted on July 20, 2019 at 9:48 am
    Fantastic to hear Trump is going to rescue A$AP Rocky from the depraved and broken state of Sweden.

    He should nuke those freaks.”

    No..he should leave Sweden to the Wussians…they will deal with it.

  155. C.L.

    Attacks on ‘white & male’ Moon landing …

    They have a point. The black & female moon-landing deserves more attention.

  156. Some History

    From back in 2007. You know it’s important if Madonna is involved.

    Madonna pens song to tackle climate change

    Madonna is hoping to personally raise funds to help combat climate change – she has penned a new track for the Live Earth gigs on July 7.
    The Material Girl has teamed up with hip-hop star Pharrell Williams on song ‘Hey You’, and will perform the song at Wembley stadium, England.
    According to British newspaper The Sun, Madonna hops the song will become the anthem of the global warming awareness event.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/madonna-pens-song-to-tackle-climate-change-311128.html

  157. Infidel Tiger

    False equivalence, Bob. Cute try though.
    The asshole in your story didn’t know the ethnicity of the owner of the other car.
    That just makes him a prick, as opposed to a rac1st prick.

    If you are going to make up stories, at least make sure it fits with the lie you are trying to tell.

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Madonna pens song to tackle climate change

    Oh, well, that’s all solved then.

  159. DrBeauGan

    The same is true of electrons, photons, space, time, magnetic fields, and so on, none of which you directly perceive either but which are objective, real, nonetheless.

    Dover, I suggest you consider the following definition:

    An entity is real if it is a term in a theory to which I subscribe.

    In that sense, electrons, photons, et cetera are “real” for me. I wouldn’t put it higher than that.

    You might like to consider whether coriolis and centrifugal forces are “real”. I have met physicists who thought not. I want to put them in a centrifuge like James Bond until they change their minds or get turned into pink squish. But their argument that the forces arises from changing the coordinate framework is correct.

    The universe seems largely indifferent to how we choose to talk about it.

  160. John Constantine

    Space travel is loathed by the left as settler colonialist white privilege.

    “Launch your Rage, not spaceships” screech the left.

    People don’t want to believe the left hate humanity so much that it is utterly committed to the human race dying out trapped on the one planet.

    “They think they can get away from us” howl the godless commo frightbats, but there is to be no escape from global eternal socialism.

    Except Extinction.

    Comrades.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3111763, posted on July 20, 2019 at 9:56 am

    Attacks on ‘white & male’ Moon landing …

    They have a point. The black & female moon-landing deserves more attention.

    Among the scores of broadcasts on the moon landings this week there is a sprinkling of criticism of Armstrong for being “aloof, task focussed, obsessed with work.”
    Yeah, because when you are flying 200 feet above the lunar surface with 2 minutes of fuel left looking for a spot to land, the ideal crew composition would be Julian Clary and Freddie Mercury.

  162. Geriatric Mayfly

    Attacks on ‘white & male’ Moon landing …

    Didn’t this feat in space stem from Kennedy’s call to put the sciences front and centre and presumably fund same. Who answered the call by enrolling, engaging in hard yakka, and graduating with the skills to participate in a highly complex undertaking? The invitation was there for ALL to answer.

  163. Bruce of Newcastle

    Madonna is hoping to personally raise funds to help combat climate change – she has penned a new track for the Live Earth gigs on July 7. The Material Girl has teamed up with hip-hop star Pharrell Williams

    Would he be the climate warrior Pharrell Williams in this photo?

  164. Da Cloymutt is gunna destroy us all!

    Didn’t work for the ALP at the last election.
    Will they persist?

  165. mh

    Kim Kardashian West

    @KimKardashian
    Thank you @realDonaldTrump , @SecPompeo, Jared Kushner & everyone involved with the efforts to Free ASAP Rocky & his two friends. Your commitment to justice reform is so appreciated 🙏🏼🤞🏼

  166. Infidel Tiger

    KK, Kanye and Trump.

    True leaders.

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe Pharrell and Madonna can share a private jet together!
    No privation is too painful to help save the planet.

  168. Twostix

    Britain had better muster her vast army and navy and degend her majesties honour!

  169. John Constantine

    Their meme of Stalin left do not seek to change history, just change our understanding of it.

    Never asked is the factual number of diversity members of their soviet politburo or their chicom central communist party committee.

    Truthful is not always Helpful.

    Space is for the peoples liberation army, and their operatives in the West will be handled to keep it that way.

    The legacy equipment left from the Apollo missions to the moon will be harvested by the first chicom moonbase for scrap, like sunken wargrave shipping on earth.

    Comrades.

  170. egg_

    Britain had better muster her vast army and navy and degend her majesties honour!

    The IT guys?

  171. Bruce in WA

    Christiana Figueres looks like a puppet from Thunderbirds. In this case, a UN puppet.

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Manhattan project was also an extremely complicated project calling on skilled expertise from a multitude of sources. The Left seems reluctant to revise the white history of this achievement; one which saved millions of lives by abruptly ending a war geared to the last man standing.

  173. 1735099

    If you are going to make up stories, at least make sure it fits with the lie you are trying to tell.

    This is a strange place.
    If a narrated fact deviates from the bigoted orthodoxy it becomes a “lie”.
    If I had made up a story putting an indigenous driver in a bad light, a conga line of agreeable posts would have followed.
    If there is a lie, it’s probably this –

    Robber Baron
    #3111632, posted on July 20, 2019 at 7:18 am
    Dylan Voller – “Aboriginal”.
    It’s the attitude which makes him Abboriginal (sic) , not the physical features. Abboriginals (sic) consider themselves entitled to whiteys money and property and not subject to whitey law.

    The silly bugger’s spelling is on a par with his credibility.

  174. Some History

    Maybe Pharrell and Madonna can share a private jet together!
    No privation is too painful to help save the planet.

    Pharrell can also have a word to his “bro”, Prince Harry.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1154959/Prince-Harry-news-latest-Meghan-Markle-Pharrell-Williams-Lion-King-Beyonce-royal-today

  175. Tom

    USA go to war for two British tankers, nope.

    The British establishment is turning itself inside out with Trump Derangement at the same time as the US’s fracking revolution has made America energy-independent and impervious to the mad mullahs’ antics — like hijacking British oil tankers in the Gulf.

    The Poms have become the dumbest schmucks on the planet.

  176. egg_

    Madonna is hoping to personally raise funds to help combat climate change – she has penned a new track for the Live Earth gigs on July 7. The Material Girl has teamed up with hip-hop star Pharrell Williams

    Sufferer Jets City?

  177. notafan

    Your Aboriginal character in the story was neutral.

    You were the ‘hero’ of the story.

    Amazing it was as if that you knew the owner was going to be Aboriginal as if that somehow made you an ever betterer person.

    Of course you would never have nudged a car and nicked off.

  178. 1735099

    Paul Kelly, in the Weekend Oz is, unfortunately, probably correct.

    “The ‘miracle’ of a liberal, secular, tolerant West may be reaching its use-by date.

    Trump’s “election” is probably the best predictor.
    Mind you, a glace at Catallaxy confirms it.
    Liberal beliefs, secularism and tolerance are unknown concepts here.

  179. Cassie of Sydney

    “If there is a lie,”

    Something the SS guard knows a lot about….fibs, lies, obfuscation, deceit.

    I wonder if he’s contacted his good mate Fathi Hammad yet…..to exchange ideas about what to do with those pesky “religious extremists” he so loathes. Fathi will have lots of advice for him.

  180. vr

    Eric Weinstein’s podcast with Peter Theil

    Youtube link

  181. 1735099

    Amazing it was as if that you knew the owner was going to be Aboriginal as if that somehow made you an ever betterer person.

    Go back to bed and get out the other side.
    You’ve blundered into the realm of fantasy.

  182. notafan

    Still arguing that you can walk off a cliff beaugy?

  183. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mind you, a glace at Catallaxy confirms it.”

    The SS guard was critiquing spelling a few comments above…….and now makes a spelling error himself. The word is “glance”….not glace.

  184. Cassie of Sydney

    “You’ve blundered into the realm of fantasy.”

    Bit rich coming from someone who is a serial Jooo hating fantasist himself. Self reflection is not his strong point.

  185. notafan

    Your story was a nothing burger that proved nothing about Aboriginal people.

    The central character was you and your sense of self-worth was inflated even more because the ‘victim’ was someone you considered an inferior.

    Why else tell it?

  186. Tel

    Trump says ‘Iran is in big trouble’ after revelation that it seized TWO British tankers in the Persian Gulf

    This time we can be sure Iran actually did it. Mind you the British started by pinching one of the Iranian tankers.

  187. Tom

    Q: Why does the left always send its stupidest trolls to the Cat?
    A: So Doomlord has nothing to worry about in San Francisco except the shit under his feet.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking, for Cats with an interest in matters military.

    “Shadow Strike -Inside Israel’s Secret Mission to Eliminate Syrian Nuclear Power” makes good reading.

    After the strike, the Syrians were politely told that, if they ever tried to build another reactor, the post air strike photo’s wouldn’t feature the reactor – they would feature the Syrian dictator’s palace…

  189. egg_

    Your Aboriginal character in the story was neutral.

    Abo NPC?

  190. Cassie of Sydney

    “vr
    #3111789, posted on July 20, 2019 at 10:23 am
    Eric Weinstein’s podcast with Peter Theil

    Youtube link”

    Thanks vr….I just love the Weinstein brothers….particularly Eric.

  191. Some History

    Miss Figueres from 2014.

    Floods had a ‘silver lining’, says climate chief: UN sparks fury by making political point out of storms that battered Britain

    Christiana Figueres, the UN’s climate change chief, sparked fury by making a political point out of storms which flooded 7,000 homes, killed 11 people and caused untold devastation.
    And Miss Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, added there was also an upside to the blast of Arctic air that blanketed America and Canada in snow, and the Australian bushfires, because they have forced climate change back on to the political agenda.
    ‘There’s no doubt that these events, that I call experiential evidence of climate change, does raise the issue to the highest political levels,’ she told the Guardian.
    ‘It’s unfortunate that we have to have these weather events, but there is a silver lining if you wish, that they remind us [that] solving climate change, addressing climate change in a timely way, is not a partisan issue.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574345/UNs-Christiana-Figueres-says-floods-silver-lining.html

  192. Infidel Tiger

    Spot of spacechooking, for Cats with an interest in matters military.

    Only Boomer would think this sort of thing happens on Facebook.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The word is “glance”….not glace.

    You forgot the (sic.)

  194. Tel

    The Poms have become the dumbest schmucks on the planet.

    I would presume the British took the Iranian tanker because the Americans requested it.

  195. egg_

    Madonna is hoping to personally raise funds to help combat climate change – she has penned a new track for the Live Earth gigs on July 7. The Material Girl has teamed up with hip-hop star Pharrell Williams

    Roll Out The Pharrell?
    Beer Pharrell Polka?
    Holiday – On My Jet Plane?

  196. Geriatric Mayfly

    she has penned a new track for the Live Earth gigs on July 7.

    No doubt, in a hundred years’ time, this yellowing score sheet will fetch millions at Sotheby’s.

  197. vr

    This time we can be sure Iran actually did it. Mind you the British started by pinching one of the Iranian tankers.

    You would think these tankers would be careful to stick to international waters going thru’ the strait of hormuz. From the pic I saw one of tankers veered into Iranian waters..

  198. feelthebern

    Eric Weinstein’s podcast with Peter Theil

    The best 3 hours of conversation this year.
    Peter Thiel is the smartest American alive today.
    Eric Weinstein is in the top 5.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3111802, posted on July 20, 2019 at 10:32 am

    Spot of spacechooking, for Cats with an interest in matters military.

    Only Boomer would think this sort of thing happens on Facebook

    Yes, there are very few photos of the chaps in the trenches in Tobruk taking trout-pout selfies, or London Blitz-chick influencers up-selling the benefits of their 14-day miracle rationing diet.

  200. Some History

    Having embraced the “pirate look”, Madonna looks all the part of a “world saviour” from a James Bond movie.

    https://imgur.com/3RcTOoO

    Oops! Which is the crook eye again?

    https://imgur.com/IiIaKUD

  201. Is Saturday numbos unsupervised (apart from the ankle bracelet) community release day?

  202. feelthebern

    Everything the Poms get caught up in the Mid East is all part of Saudi-Iranian politics.
    Since the US called off the strike on Iran, the Saudi’s have been pissed.
    The Poms saw their opportunity to play chummy chummy with the Saudis.
    The Saudi Aramco IPO will end up costing a lot of lives.
    All because everyone wants the secondary listing.

  203. vr

    A worrying trend: Teaching High School Students to Demonize Isr__l

    In Newton, Mass no less.

    Didn’t get posted the first time around.

  204. Knuckle Dragger

    US PsOC acclaim DJT for coming out in support of US POC rapper in the Swedish bin for ignoring sexually assaulting, easy target hunting middle eastern PsOS until finally flogging them in the street.

    But racist.

  205. vr

    A worrying trend: Teaching High School Students to Demonize [country]

    In Newton, Mass no less. From Tablet mag

    Didn’t get posted the first time around.

  206. feelthebern

    Have people seen the ASAP footage?
    Those chaps from the RoP followed him around for half an hour trying to cause a stink.

  207. vr

    Cassie — check out Tablet Mag. There is an interesting article about what’s being taught in high schools. It is getting caught in the spam filter.

  208. Steve trickler

    I guessing here. Keynesian economics is built into the A.I. but not Say’s Law? I wonder how Doomlord would play this game. Along with Skates.

    Power and Revolution 2019. Geopolitical Simulator 4.

    This game looks to be a hoot! Good laugh here.



    All in good fun.

  209. Some History

    Pete the Poyret: I can’t understand the fascination with the eye-patch. Me? I prefer to keep it simple – a bandana and occasionally a parrot on the shoulder. Who knows. Somewhere down the line I might experiment with the eye-patch.

    Pete in his [understated] “piratic”… “piratific” splendour:

    https://imgur.com/4xSPGtv

  210. Shy Ted

    Numbers will be telling us next that the Abbariginal car had registration, was insured and had no bald tyres.

  211. John Constantine

    Their theresa may sides with Stalins meme guards and stifles Britains energy independence.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-29/fracking-dream-fades-in-u-k-as-regulation-stifles-new-drilling

    Britain’s quest to tap domestic supplies of shale gas is looking increasingly bleak as the government’s liaison between the industry and local communities resigned after just six months in the job.

    Natascha Engel left the government appointed job telling a newspaper that the U.K.’s policy on hydraulic fracturing technology is being driven by environmental protesters and not scientific evidence. Those efforts resulted in some of the strictest regulations for the industry, which pumps fluid and sand under high pressure to stimulate gas flows from otherwise untappable rock formations.

    Fracking is one of the few technologies that could slow or even reverse the sharp declines in oil and gas production from the North Sea as conventional deposits are pumped dry. While Britain prospered in the 1980s and 1990s with wealth tapped by the oil industry, income has shrunk since production peaked. Exploration has been halted

    Frack, Boris, Frack.

  212. Bruce of Newcastle

    Everything the Poms get caught up in the Mid East is all part of Saudi-Iranian politics.

    The mullahs have a special dislike of the Poms because of the first half of the 20thC.
    Anglo-Persian Oil Company
    RoP of all varieties like to keep their pet grievances fossilized in glass cases for centuries if not millenia. Then take them out and air them every now again, like last night.

  213. 1735099

    The central character was you and your sense of self-worth was inflated even more because the ‘victim’ was someone you considered an inferior.

    Your problem, old mate, is that you assign motives to others that would work for you.
    You’re also constructing an interesting little creative fantasy.
    I guess it’s harmless enough, at least you’re doing it on a keyboard, and not behind the wheel of a car or on a bike.

  214. Infidel Tiger

    US PsOC acclaim DJT for coming out in support of US POC rapper in the Swedish bin for ignoring sexually assaulting, easy target hunting middle eastern PsOS until finally flogging them in the street.

    What language is this?

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