Tuesday Forum: July 23, 2019

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  1. notafan

    Calli.

    Good to hear.

    NYC subway is the only one that ever have me trouble, even though apart from London it has been the only English language only one I’ve used.

  2. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3115005, posted on July 25, 2019 at 6:54 am

    A link on Rutger Hauer story

    ”The Fly,’ ‘James Bond’ star David Hedison dead at 92
    Hedison played scientist Andre Delambre who turned into an insect in the 1958 film “The Fly.” He played CIA agent Felix Leiter in Bond films “Live and Let Die” and “Licence to Kill.”

    The Providence, Rhode Island-native began his career under the name Al Hedison. In 1959, he took his middle name David after signing a contract with Twentieth Century Fox.

    I remember him for:

    The Enemy Below (1957) David Hedison … Lt. Ware (as Al Hedison)

  3. John Constantine

    Their nork nuclear missile submarine?.
    Photos show it tackwelded together from 1950’s russian design with rough seams. Means it can’t travel at open sea without being tracked like a bleeding brontosaurus over a snowfield.

    Basically a submersible missile launch platform that sits in shallow coastal water hiding from the big boys, hoping to get a shot off before destruction. Not as certain a suicide mission as sailing in a pyne class submarine, but a ten minute lifespan in a shooting conflict.

  4. 1735099

    DJT* should be playing Mueller’s sympathy card for him now.

    And the Prince of Whales should be sussing out some good lawyers.
    Mueller answered “yes” to the question – “Can the President be indicted when he is out of office”.
    It will happen – either in 2021 or 2025.
    I hope I’m still around to see it.
    Karma always wins in the end.

  5. jo

    Oh and Rutger Hauer has laid down his sword for the last time sadly.
    ‘Blade Runner’ star Rutger Hauer dead at 75

    Great Sci-fi. Even the Blade Runner 2049 was well done.Villeneuve directed in the manner of Ridley Scott. The only movies Harrison Ford has not been a wanker in.

  6. Tom

    The thing that strikes me about the pommy cartoonists, and some of ours like Rowe and Broelman, is that there is absolutely nothing to think about. Just pure perception, 100% feelz.

    Agree 1000%, Beaugy. All of them (except Steve Bright of the London Sun, who’s actually an artist and loves his work) are swamped by their leftism, which renders them incapable of thought and able only to react instinctively to the pain that accompanies having to acknowledge the existence of their hated ideological enemies on the right.

  7. DrBeauGan

    No show from Maria. I guess a better paying option came along.

    Oh well. It will save me money.

  8. Top Ender

    From Johanna’s link above:

    Filmmaker Rachel Perkins is a director of Uphold and Recognise, which is an organisation supporting the Uluru statement from the heart.

    She urged people to keep an open mind, saying the voice proposal would not divide Australians.

    “Let’s not call this Apartheid, [let’s not] have these sensational comments,” she said.

    But it is. I have this text in a saved doc for frequent use:

    Martin Luther King is perhaps one of the most famous campaigners on race. On 28 August, 1963, Dr. King delivered his most powerful words, known as the “I Have a Dream” speech, from the steps of the the USA’s Abraham Lincoln Memorial. It included: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

    Why do people seek now to divide us by race?

    It’s a powerful argument not easily disputed.

  9. notafan

    BoN I think you are incorrect to claim Putin is not a Christian.

    I have read that he has returned to his Orthodox faith.

    As for not wanting evangelicals in Russia, if your faith is the true faith why wouldn’t you discourage corruptions?

    After decades of surpression the Orthodox have a lot of work to do to reevangelize Russia.

    Putin

  10. calli

    Just back from rush hour food shopping. Yikes! It’s a zoo.

    I forgot to mention another charming man. He was on security at the Woolworth Building. I went into the lobby – it’s utterly gorgeous, mosaic ceiling with dome and glorious plasterwork. He told me that the general public could only enter if they were with a tour guide.

    He gave me a card with the ceiling printed on it. He then winked and said that when he turned his back he would not notice me taking a photo. And winked again.

  11. calli

    I presume Trump is still President. I haven’t noticed rioting in the street to suggest otherwise. 🙂

  12. pete m

    Rees-Mogg appointed Leader of the Commons

    The Leader of the House of Commons is generally a member of the Cabinet of the United Kingdom who is responsible for arranging government business in the House of Commons.

    Very interesting – his first leadership role and one that arranges govt business in parliament.

    Finally some good news from UK.

  13. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3115034, posted on July 25, 2019 at 8:12 am
    BoN I think you are incorrect to claim Putin is not a Christian.”

    Thanks for that link Nota….I’m a big fan of Steve Turley.

    I will watch the full clip later….Putin is a Christian. He, like Gorbachev, Yeltsin and many others, were often baptised secretly when they were babies.

  14. Bar Beach Swimmer

    What, I wonder, distinguishes this idiot from those sitting on the Opposition benches, apart from his name-tag?

    Applied for pre-selection for the division of Wentworth and then “bowed out because it would be good for a woman to be chosen”, which ultimately Sharma won. Then gained Senate selection to a winnable position on the ticket. So in the Photios camp. What more needs to be said.

  15. notafan

    Whoever posted the bit about the male version of a harradin.

    Fits like a glove.

    What sort of person daily seeks to foment ill will and rancour?

    It certainly isn’t a Christian.

  16. 1735099

    I presume Trump is still President. I haven’t noticed rioting in the street to suggest otherwise.

    Yep, still there, and still lying.
    Trump –
    “I was completely exonerated”.
    Mueller –
    “My report was unable to exonerate the President”.

  17. Cassie of Sydney

    “Yep, still there, and still lying.”

    Yep..the SS guard is still here, and still lying.

  18. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Gee, BoN, loved that article about tetrachromads!

  19. 1735099

    What sort of person daily seeks to foment ill will and rancour?

    Scroll up.
    Most of the people posting here.
    They are a strange lot……

  20. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Very interesting – his first leadership role and one that arranges govt business in parliament.

    Finally some good news from UK.

    #winning

    Ps. Pete, how’s your nephew?

  21. C.L.

    It isn’t a prosecutor’s job to “exonerate” anybody.
    Victoria Police didn’t “exonerate” Bill Shorten of rape either.
    Mueller was torn to shreds over this Nazi notion at the hearing.
    He was utterly destroyed.

    Trump wins. Again.

  22. Tom

    Breaking: Phat Phuc Un has resumed North Korean missile-testing.

  23. notafan

    Also fails on wit and humour.

    A very common problem for leftoids.

    Very good at lame though.

  24. johanna

    I notice that we have a new euphemism for feral kids.

    They used to be described as having ‘challenging behaviours.’ But recently and almost invisibly, it has changed:

    Jenny McNaughton, a services director with the charity Berry Street, said a shortage of foster parents meant some children were being placed in residential care homes when it was not suitable for them.

    “They’re living with three other children who also have complex behaviours,” Ms McNaughton said.

    Yup, well behaved and well adjusted kids have simple behaviours, apparently. Not worthy of attention. You just press a button and they do the right thing. No effort required. Their parents are just lucky.

    This is Orwellspeak, yet again. Dylan Voller had ‘complex behavioural issues’ according to reports at the time. Er, no, he’s a nasty little psychopath.

    And of course, ‘complex’ means that a complex of do-gooders is required to service their many and varied problems. Jobs, jobs, jobs!

    Beware of the word ‘complex’ when describing bad behaviour.

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    I presume Trump is still President. I haven’t noticed rioting in the street to suggest otherwise.

    The ferals have moved to London for the day!
    ‘F*** Boris!’ Furious anti-Johnson protestors light flares as they march on Downing Street
    So so much popcorn. I’m going to end up like Fat Bastard.

  26. pete m

    Bar beach swimmer

    Hi

    The family is now overseas for a year so news on my nephew is slower to come. I hear he is doing well. Will be a long rehab and we’ll see where he ends up.

    Thanks for thinking of him.

  27. dover_beach

    PJW on the country soon to be formerly known as Sweden.

  28. johanna

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3115011, posted on July 25, 2019 at 7:14 am

    Oh, ripper, Tinta. Ta.

    Vomit and coffee go hand in hand in the mornings. God what a sight of that creature.

    Clearly, Ms Suspended Suspension is a world champion deadlifter, as you don’t get thighs like that at 22 from slugging down kale shakes and organic almond paste. You’d throw rocks at it, but still be concerned that you’d be in that explosive sprint range, and get trapped and eaten.

    ‘I know I’m controversial’

    Clearly angling for a gig as a social media influencer, as long as the aim of the influence is to stop people using it.

    Well said, and thanks to Tinta for the link (shudder.)

    What a contrast with Bettina Arndt, who is well dressed and groomed and speaks in normal, modulated tones of voice. And despite having at least three decades on this bint, she has managed to avoid developing thunderthighs. Could a bit of self discipline be involved?

    Bettina’s Dad Heinz was a very distinguished academic and professor at the ANU in the days before it became a degree factory. Good to see that this apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

  29. John Constantine

    Australia’s pretest hitout saw 32 wickets fall for 400 runs in a couple days.

    Nobody crippled by world class lethal bowlers letting rip off eighteen yards like the crazy net session.

    Warner and Mitch Marsh standouts.

  30. Megan

    I pretty much worked numbers out (I’m slow I know) so I won’t bother responding to him or reading his posts in the future.

    You are taking the best path, Mark A and I encourage you to stay on it. You are making yourself deal with an object that has the intellectual capacity of an immature ameoba who is not so much stuck but jammed tight into a reconfigured narrative of a recreated past based on repeated telling which cements it into a rigid and impermeable construction that rivals the Great Wall of China. True to its name it counts how many times it is mentioned adds any interactions and engagement while cackling and preening at its own perceived cleverness. Leave it alone in the dark of Coventry, all of you. You get the behaviour you reward.
    And, in a supreme act of utter unoriginality it begins it’s own cartoon link. Too stupid to recognise that in the originality department there are no prizes for second.

  31. Knuckle Dragger

    Megan,

    No thank you.

    Ignoring idiots resulted in us having 57 genders.

    Proof by assertion and all that.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    Stand by for another ‘earthquake in Norkistan.

  33. johanna

    It isn’t a prosecutor’s job to “exonerate” anybody.

    Persackly, and that is the point that the Democrat enslaved MSM carefully avoids.

    Mueller may as well have said that he didn’t exonerate Trump of grand theft auto. By raising the issue, he gave them a hook to hang all this nonsense on. It had nothing to do with his brief, but opened the door for further phony ‘investigations.’

  34. 1735099

    It isn’t a prosecutor’s job to “exonerate” anybody.

    So what is Trump on about?
    He says he was “exonerated”.
    Can’t have it both ways.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Stand by for another ‘earthquake in Norkistan.

    He’s annoyed the Russians, which is a dumb move.

    North Korea Detains Crew Of Russian Fishing Vessel – “Harsh” Interrogations Alleged (24 July)

  36. johanna

    Trump was exonerated of the thing the investigation was supposed to be about, which was collusion with the Ruskies.

    Sadly, he wasn’t exonerated of drowning puppies in front of weeping toddlers, so I guess he’s still in the frame.

    Fuck off, dickhead.

  37. Johno

    You are taking the best path, Mark A and I encourage you to stay on it. You are making yourself deal with an object that has the intellectual capacity of an immature ameoba who is not so much stuck but jammed tight into a reconfigured narrative of a recreated past based on repeated telling which cements it into a rigid and impermeable construction that rivals the Great Wall of China. True to its name it counts how many times it is mentioned adds any interactions and engagement while cackling and preening at its own perceived cleverness. Leave it alone in the dark of Coventry, all of you. You get the behaviour you reward.
    And, in a supreme act of utter unoriginality it begins it’s own cartoon link. Too stupid to recognise that in the originality department there are no prizes for second.

    I must say Megan that was spot on.

  38. Mater

    Can’t have it both ways.

    Apparently you can.

    “I deferred”
    “I DIDN’T defer”
    “Both statements are correct”

  39. C.L.

    Trump was exonerated of the thing the investigation was supposed to be about, which was collusion with the Ruskies.

    That’s not right either.
    There were no charges because there was no evidence. Because it didn’t happen.

  40. Rococo Liberal

    Martin Luther King is perhaps one of the most famous campaigners on race. On 28 August, 1963, Dr. King delivered his most powerful words, known as the “I Have a Dream” speech,…

    Yes, Top Ender, I have been try ing for years to get one lefty idiot to admit that everything they stand for in terms of race runs contrary to Dr King’s statement. Most of them just ignore the contradiction. Some cherry pick quotations from King which seem to point to the more modern ideas around race always having to be taken into account. But none of them answer the question. That is why I find them all to be wrong and stupid.
    Racism is not a problem from the right, but a from the left who have built up a false enemy, a bogey man, to scare all the blacks onto the path of degradation and clientage to the democrats.
    Sinistra delenda est

  41. Mater

    I pretty much worked numbers out (I’m slow I know) so I won’t bother responding to him or reading his posts in the future.

    The answer is to not get drawn into a long, drawn out and protracted argument with him. Embrace the old adage about arguing with fools.
    Put him on his arse with the first hit (metaphorically speaking of course), then sit back and watch him flail around making a goose of himself.
    With his lack of intellect and his blind obedience to his ideology, it’s not that hard – and rather amusing. A bit like ‘swatting a fly with a Buick”.

  42. johanna

    I have seen these big termite mounds, but had no idea how many and various critters live in them:

    Graham Thompson said one mound contained around 150 snakes in its ecosystem.

    “They were big termite mounds that were active, so lots of termites were in them; they were clearly capable of supporting and sustaining a substantial vertebrate community,” he said.

    Snakes eat the mice, and the carnivorous marsupial mice — called planigales — eat the white ants and geckos who also eat the white ants in a never ending cycle of life inside a mound, which can last hundreds or even thousands of years in some countries.”

    and

    Hundreds of species recorded

    One hundred and eighty-four king brown snakes, 60 death adders, 444 Stimson’s pythons, and 106 black-headed pythons were caught overall on the project.

    Scientists found at least one Stimson’s python in each termite mound.

    Ain’t Nature wunnerful?

  43. Leigh Lowe

    Just wondering.
    Did Bob Mueller turn up to the hearings wearing his pyjamas under his suit and flouro paper nametag on his wrist?

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    With his lack of intellect and his blind obedience to his ideology, it’s not that hard – and rather amusing. A bit like ‘swatting a fly with a Buick”.

    Well said, Mater.

  45. feelthebern

    Still catching up from overnight.
    Why was Grandpa Simpson speaking in Washington today?

  46. feelthebern

    Pic.
    Not pick.
    Definitely not prick.

  47. “Megan
    #3115062, posted on July 25, 2019 at 8:56 am”

    Post of the day Megan.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Uh, can you repeat um, ah, repeat er, um repeat the … what was it … ah yes, the question.

  49. 1735099

    “I deferred”
    “I DIDN’T defer”
    “Both statements are correct”

    Go back to school and learn some grammar.
    You don’t understand the difference between active and passive voice.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Can you repeat the question Bob?

  51. thefrollickingmole

    Woolies can go and royally get a wooly bull up them.

    At their self serve checkouts and not buying their dolphin choker bags.
    Taking items from one section of the trolley, scanning and placing them back in another section.
    Both sections carefully demarcated by 2 cereal boxes dividing them.

    Hoverlady accuses me of stealing some pork leg, checks and doesn’t see the item on the screen until I point it out to her.
    She then randomly decides to check a few more items while Im scanning.
    At the end, despite basically standing over the trolley the entire time she says she wants to check the print out.

    Paper doesnt work.
    She asks me to wait, I do, 3 minutes later after a couple of attempts at reloading the paper dispenser I let her know Im off and wont be back.

    Wollies will burn in a fire before they get a cent of mine again.

  52. Roger

    notafan
    #3115034, posted on July 25, 2019 at 8:12 am
    BoN I think you are incorrect to claim Putin is not a Christian.”

    Putin was baptised as an infant and reconnected with the Russian Orthodox faith around 1993 like many other Russians in the immediate post-Soviet era.

    He’s a Christian; whether he’s a good or a bad Christian only God knows.

  53. thefrollickingmole

    It isn’t a prosecutor’s job to “exonerate” anybody.

    So what is Shorten on about?
    He says he was “exonerated”.
    Can’t have it both ways.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Looks like today is International Bamboozled Bob Day.

  55. feelthebern

    PS, while all eyes on Washington & while Angry John Bolton shuttles between London & Riyadh, the US administration is on the verge of a deal with Pakistan.
    A deal with the crooks in Pakistan means US withdrawal from fighting the crooks/crazies in Afghanistan.
    Trump getting the US out of Afghanistan would surely be applauded by all, wouldn’t it?

  56. JC

    Just wondering.
    Did Bob Mueller turn up to the hearings wearing his pyjamas under his suit and flouro paper nametag on his wrist?

    Just incredible. People around him would have known he is mentally incapacitated and they didn’t alert the DOJ? Of course they didn’t because every single one is a soldier in the Clinton crime family.

    No fucking wonder the D’rats were, towards the end, trying to stop the testimony. Having said that though – even in his mental illness he was a lying sack of shit. He couldn’t even admit he was Comey’s pal until being forced to.

  57. rickw

    Megan #3115062, posted on July 25, 2019 at 8:56 am”

    Post of the day Megan.

    Indeed!

  58. feelthebern

    There were no charges because there was no evidence. Because it didn’t happen.

    This is summary that needs to be repeated until lefty ears bleed.

  59. Top Ender

    Is Oz getting better or worse?

    Outgoing mandarin Martin Parkinson warns on threat to living standards

    The country’s most senior bureaucrat, Martin Parkinson, has warned that growth in Australia’s living standards was poised for a significant decline over the next decade without improvements to productivity.

    The former Treasury boss, who will retire from the public service next month when he steps down as the secretary of Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, said the forecast decline was “quite striking”.

    He said the gap between Australia’s productivity gains and the rest of the world was “pretty concerning”.

    “We have fallen behind in global productivity,” Dr Parkinson told The Australian. “For whatever reason, our productivity performance is not keeping up.

    “Over the next decade, our living standard growth is going to fall; it has fallen, and will continue to fall partly as a consequence of the inevitable ageing of the population and the fact we are not getting the same boost to participation.

    “But it’s also productivity performance.”

    Scott Morrison has made productivity a priority reform over the next decade.

    Treasury forecasts show the growth in living standards per capita continuing to decline since the early 2000s and falling to levels of about 0.5 per cent by the mid-2020s.

    In a wide-ranging interview, Dr Parkinson said political instability in Australia in the past decade may have also contributed to the falling productivity rates because of policy paralysis and investment uncertainty for business.

    He blamed higher electricity prices on the 10-year failure to achieve a bipartisan approach to energy and emissions policy.

    “I think (instability) has been quite debilitating for the development of good policy,” he said. “I wonder if we had more stable governments, whichever colour, which had a chance to own the policy domain for a while, whether or not we would have had more robust policies, better policies … had a business community with more confidence … to invest and take risks. I’m sure it has absolutely contributed to the erosion in public trust in institutions … we know that from work that has been done by various bodies.

    “And you just can’t have that sort of instability and think the political class is going to be able to concentrate on the big issues ahead.

    “And if they can’t concentrate, it doesn’t matter how much work we are able to do — we are not able to be as helpful with them and influential. And the net effect is there is an erosion of trust in the political class; there is an erosion of trust in the bureaucracy because people have a sense that we haven’t delivered the sort of services and support they expect from us … and so everybody gets hurt.”

    Dr Parkinson said the policies necessary to continue to ensure growth were made more difficult because of the economic success story of the past three decades, which meant governments ended up making bad policy decisions.

    “When you get through such long periods of economic growth, communities can lose sight of what is required to generate growth and higher living standards. And you can end up taking decisions that … seem quite justifiable. But when you accumulate them all up, you’ve thrown a lot of grit at the wheels of the system.

    “That’s part of the reason why economic growth inevitably peters out after a while.”

    Dr Parkinson echoed the concerns of Reserve Bank boss Philip Lowe that global economic conditions were “challenging”, with trade tensions between China and the US posing the most risk.

    Oz link doubtless paywalled.

  60. JC

    He’s a Christian; whether he’s a good or a bad Christian only God knows.

    We shouldn’t try to cover up for him. Putin’s a dick and he’s done really bad things like stealing so much money he’s the richest person in the world by far. The Russian economy is smaller by over a third during the past decade. He remains the president because he steals elections. He has opposition killed.

  61. C.L.

    Fairfax is running dead on Bamboozled Bob.

  62. Leigh Lowe

    It’s all very well to say “time to leave Bob alone” and “isn’t it sad that Bob is a mental wreck”.
    Just remember the innocent people who are facing jail and/or bankruptcy because of this lying, shifty xunt.

  63. JC

    Ender

    Is Oz getting better or worse?

    Outgoing mandarin Martin Parkinson warns on threat to living standards

    The country’s most senior bureaucrat, Martin Parkinson, has warned that growth in Australia’s living standards was poised for a significant decline over the next decade without improvements to productivity.

    The former Treasury boss, who will retire from the public service next month when he steps down as the secretary of Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, said the forecast decline was “quite striking”.

    He said the gap between Australia’s productivity gains and the rest of the world was “pretty concerning”.

    “We have fallen behind in global productivity,” Dr Parkinson told The Australian. “For whatever reason, our productivity performance is not keeping up.

    “Over the next decade, our living standard growth is going to fall; it has fallen, and will continue to fall partly as a consequence of the inevitable ageing of the population and the fact we are not getting the same boost to participation.

    “But it’s also productivity performance.”

    In this respect, Martie is 100% correct. There’s no avoiding this.

  64. johanna

    Wandered down to the Queanbeyan Golf Course early this morning.

    The country cousins of the resident roo population are streaming in, thanks to the drought. It’s pretty bad around here, had bugger all rain for months. The paddocks all around are yellow at best, dust at worst. The sheep and cattle are gone.

    There are now hundreds of roos living on the course, eating, eating, eating, and more are coming in. Very soon, management are going to have to face up to the animal libbers, because the situation is unsustainable. The roos need to be culled, big time. Otherwise we will end up with no golf course and starving roos.

    While the locals I have talked to are sanguine about it, nearby Canberra is full of caring, sharing eejits who will no doubt emit shrieks that can be heard on Mars if anyone tries to do anything other than give each roo a personal carer paid for by you and me.

  65. Top Ender

    He blamed higher electricity prices on the 10-year failure to achieve a bipartisan approach to energy and emissions policy.

    And in the end what will this achieve? Nothing but virtue-signalling to the rest of the world that Oz, um, wants to send “less emissions” to the world. Which doesn’t pay any attention anyway. Try seeing how much coverage of Australia the US, Indian, Chinese, and European press pays to us.

    And ironically if we had gone ahead with nuclear power we would produce less emissions anyway.

  66. 1735099

    Racism is not a problem from the right, but a (sic) from the left who have built up a false enemy,

    A well-worn conservative technique – “create an imaginary enemy”.
    (Michael Walzer – Arguing about War – Chapter 3 – Terrorism – p65)
    Back in the seventies it was Communism, these days it’s Islam.
    The exploitation of Communism as a threat was responsible for the debacle that was Vietnam.
    People forget, and the meme has been resurrected.
    It works a treat with the ignorant and bigoted, and creates a voteherd that can be used in all sorts of ways.
    In the seventies, Menzies and his successors in the Coalition used it (via DLP preferences) to cling on to office until enough voters woke up by 1972. It is a great substitute for leadership. True leaders don’t use it because they don’t need to frighten people.
    Howard found a new enemy (refugees) in 2001, and exploited them to the hilt.
    Now the “socialist” enemy is being dusted down and resurrected, and Trump is pushing it for all it’s worth.
    The exploitation of fear and hate for political power – the NAZI prototype – has a durable history.
    It has a rabid following here.

  67. Roger

    An unprecedented 25 + years of economic growth yet living standards are falling.

    Something here does not add up.

  68. max

    How tired is the left ?

    Editorial director Jane Sturrock bought world rights direct from the author for The Secret Diary of Boris Johnson Aged 13¼, to be published on 17th October.

    The publisher explained: “In addition to diary entries, the book will also feature young Boris’ literary endeavours through poems, essays, and even portions of a sci-fi novel. These will reflect the defining moments of his life, but especially his bitter rivalry with schoolmate David Cameron.”

  69. Roger

    He blamed higher electricity prices on the 10-year failure to achieve a bipartisan approach to energy and emissions policy.

    Er…Martin, higher electricity prices are the result of government policies.

    We could have the cheapest electricity in the world if politicians would simply get out of the way.

  70. Ivan Denisovich

    Mueller –
    “My report was unable to exonerate the President”.

    How could anyone give weight to Mueller’s report, especially following an investigation so clearly a “Get Trump” operation?

    MUELLER HAS A REPUTATION …
    July 24, 2019
    It is apparently part of Robert Mueller’s contract with the media that he must always be described as “honorable” and a “lifelong Republican.” (After this week, we can add “dazed and confused” to his appellation.)

    If it matters that Mueller is a “lifelong Republican,” then I guess it matters that he hired a team of left-wing zealots. Of the 17 lawyers in Mueller’s office, 14 are registered Democrats. Not one is a registered Republican. In total, they have donated more than $60,000 to Democratic candidates.

    Congressman Steve Chabot listed the Democratic political activism of nine of Mueller’s staff attorneys at a December 2017 House hearing.

    Here are a few from Chabot’s list:

    — Kyle Freeny contributed to both Obama campaigns and to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

    — Andrew Goldstein donated $3,300 to both Obama campaigns.

    — Elizabeth Prelogar contributed to both the Obama and Clinton campaigns.

    — Jeannie Rhee donated $16,000 to Democrats, contributed $5,400 to the Clinton campaign — and represented Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation in several lawsuits.

    — Andrew Weissmann contributed $2,000 to the Democratic National Committee, $2,300 to the Obama campaign and $2,300 to the Clinton Campaign.

    None had donated to the Trump campaign.

    The media brushed off the conspicuous anti-Trump bias in Mueller’s office with platitudes about how prosecutors are, “allowed to have political opinions,” as Jeffrey Toobin said on CNN. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein assured the public that their “views are not in any way a factor in how they conduct themselves in office.”

    Obviously, no one believes this — otherwise “lifelong Republican” wouldn’t be spot-welded to Mueller’s name.

    In a fiery rebuke at the hearings this week, Mueller denounced complaints about all the diehard Democrats on his legal team, saying, “I’ve been in this business for almost 25 years, and in those 25 years I have not had occasion once to ask somebody about their political affiliation. It is not done.”

    No kidding. He’s been director of the FBI. He’s been acting U.S. deputy attorney general. He’s been a U.S. attorney. He’s never been an independent counsel investigating the president before.

    An independent counsel investigation isn’t the kind of job where you want the hungriest prosecutors. You want drug enforcement agents who are hungry to bust up drug rings. You want organized crime prosecutors who are hungry to take down the mob.

    But lawyers on a special counsel’s investigation of the president of the United States aren’t supposed to be hungry. They’re supposed to be fair.

    As for Mueller being “honorable,” Steven Hatfill and the late Sen. Ted Stevens might beg to differ.

    After the 2001 anthrax attacks, the FBI, under Director Mueller’s close supervision, spent SEVEN YEARS pursuing Hatfill, a U.S. Army biodefense researcher. Year after year, the real culprit went about his life undisturbed — until he committed suicide when, at last, the FBI zeroed in on him.

    Mueller was deeply involved in the anthrax investigation, recruiting the lead investigator on the case and working “in lockstep” with him, according to a book on the case, “The Mirage Man” by David Willman.

    During this multi-year investigation of the wrong man, Mueller assured Attorney General John Ashcroft, as well as two U.S. senators that Hatfill was the anthrax mailer. Presciently, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz asked then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey if he was sure Hatfill wasn’t another Richard Jewell, an innocent man who, a few years earlier, had been publicly identified by the FBI as the main Olympic bombing suspect. Comey replied that he was “absolutely certain that it was Hatfill.”

    The hounding of Steven Hatfill finally ended in 2008, with the bureau paying the poor man millions of dollars. In open court, a federal judge, Reggie B. Walton, assailed Mueller’s FBI for its handling of the case.

    Far from apologizing, the director stoutly defended the bureau’s relentless pursuit of the blameless Hatfill, saying: “I do not apologize for any aspect of this investigation.” He said it would be incorrect “to say there were mistakes.”

    Maybe he can use that line to defend the similarly monomaniacal zealots he put on the Russia investigation.

    Eight days before the 2008 elections, the government convicted Sen. Stevens of failing to properly report gifts on his Senate financial forms. The longest-serving Republican in Senate history lost his re-election by less than 2 percent of the vote.

    Months later — too late for Stevens’ political career — Obama Attorney General Eric Holder moved for a dismissal of all charges against Stevens after discovering that the government had failed to turn over crucial exculpatory evidence. The trial judge not only threw out the charges, but angrily ordered an independent counsel to investigate the investigators.

    Unlike the disastrous Hatfill case, the extent of Mueller’s oversight of the Stevens investigation is less clear. Was he aware of the bureau’s malicious pursuit of a sitting U.S. senator on the eve of his re-election? Either he was, which is awful, or he wasn’t — which is worse.

    In addition to “honorable,” another way of describing Mueller is: “Too Corrupt for Eric Holder.”

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2019-07-24.html#read_more

  71. “Leigh Lowe
    #3115104, posted on July 25, 2019 at 9:55 am
    It’s all very well to say “time to leave Bob alone” and “isn’t it sad that Bob is a mental wreck”.
    Just remember the innocent people who are facing jail and/or bankruptcy because of this lying, shifty xunt.”

    Agree…the grub called Bob is a duplicitous, lying, racist fascist….a coward, a mediocrity, a fantasist….he’s not a mental wreck….he’s a mental pygmy….who should never have been allowed near children….actually he should never be allowed near anyone.

  72. johanna

    In this respect, Martie is 100% correct. There’s no avoiding this.

    JC once again demonstrates that he knows nothing about politics.

    Parkinson was head of the Climaate Change department (forget its exact title) under Labor and was resolutely opposed to cheap electricity, which is a big driver of productivity. He continued that crusade in Treasury. He’s a smooth talking git.

    Now he has a Come to Jesus moment where he is worried about productivity.

    Give me a break.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Maybe the Dimocrats should give up allowing so called “friendly witnesses” to Congressional and Senate hearings.
    They held out great hopes for Strzok, Blasey-Ford and now Mueller and they ended up with something that looked and sounded like an out-take from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    Yibbida, yibbida, that’s all folks.

  74. Roger

    We shouldn’t try to cover up for him. Putin’s a dick and he’s done really bad things…

    I’m not excusing him of anything, JC; he’ll have to give an account of his life, like all of us.

  75. Twostix

    Mueller answered “yes” to the question – “Can the President be indicted when he is out of office”.
    It will happen – either in 2021 or 2025.
    I hope I’m still around to see it.
    Karma always wins in the end.

    A (literally) geriatric and dying establishment probably shouldn’t be making threats to the newbies about what you’ll do next time you might have power in half a decade’s time.

    You might just be believed.

  76. Mother Lode

    What is it with Rowe? His homo obsession is out of control. Where are his editors?

    I notice he apologises to Henry Raeburn.

    The mugs that pay for the Fin Review are just there to be taunted and degraded.

    They want to be really careful of letting him in the Louvre to see some of those unrobed sculptures of gods and heroes – the curators would come back in half an hour to find their statues stuck together.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Agree…the grub called Bob is a duplicitous, lying, racist fascist….a coward, a mediocrity, a fantasist….he’s not a mental wreck….he’s a mental pygmy….who should never have been allowed near children….actually he should never be allowed near anyone.

    To be clear, I was talking about Bob Mueller, not Bob of Toowoomba, just in case anyone got confused, because, you know …

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Agree…the grub called Bob is a duplicitous, lying, racist fascist….a coward, a mediocrity, a fantasist….he’s not a mental wreck….he’s a mental pygmy….who should never have been allowed near children….actually he should never be allowed near anyone.

    Don’t hold back, Cassie. Tell us exactly what you think!

  79. Leigh Lowe

    Mueller answered “yes” to the question – “Can the President be indicted when he is out of office”.

    Even though Bob is very confused, he is simply stating a fact.
    Truth is, a sitting President can also be indicted.
    You just have to prove he committed a crime, which has been a teeny, weeny stumbling block thus far.

  80. “We shouldn’t try to cover up for him. Putin’s a dick and he’s done really bad things…”

    Well Putin might have his faults but he showed more leadership in Syria than the magic negro (peace be upon him) did.

  81. Roger

    He’s a smooth talking git.

    He’s a man who’s just glimpsed the coming disaster – which he’s been priming via his years of advice to politicians of little conviction and even less intellect – and who is desperate to salvage something of his reputation in history as he exits, stage left.

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Extraordinary moment a Mooslime tourist orders local Bali families off a public beach while ‘brandishing a knife’ – so his wife wouldn’t see other ‘partially-dressed’ men

    Tourist clashes with residents over access to beach overlooking his villa in Bali
    Footage shows angry local’s response after being told it was a private beach
    Tourist and his family later were told by villa caretaker to leave accommodation
    Resident called on village officials to issue regulation stating beaches are public

    Daily Mail.

  83. JC

    Jezebel
    Don’t combine meds with loads of gin as it makes you stupider and nastier than you normally are, you drop
    dead gorgeous thing you.

    The part of martie’s comment I quoted was about economics – not politics – you horrendous swine.
    He’s correct. Australia’s productivity count for a long while now has been terrible. Unless that changes we will see falls in relative living standards. As a noted economist, perhaps you could tell us what you disagree with in this respect?

    Changes to electricity prices has a huge impact on production- not necessarily productivity. It’s not the same thing, you fat mouth slob.

    Now, if you argue that higher energy prices impact capital investment decisions , that’s a valid point. However, you’re not making this point.

    Now fuck off and stop annoying people .

  84. hzhousewife

    While the locals I have talked to are sanguine about it, nearby Canberra is full of caring, sharing eejits who will no doubt emit shrieks that can be heard on Mars if anyone tries to do anything other than give each roo a personal carer paid for by you and me.

    Assign one kangaroo each to every resident lol.

  85. Top Ender

    Seems a bit early to be developing “don’t you know who I am disease”:

    Victorian Labor MP Will Fowles was escorted out of a Canberra hotel by police on Thursday morning after smashing in a door.

    Former Nine News journalist Kellie Sloane shared the news on Twitter, claiming the man had ‘gone into a rage after discovering he couldn’t access his luggage’.

    Link
    Police were called to the Abode in Kingston, and the first-term Labor politician was escorted on to the street.

    Ms Sloane said the politician had claimed the hotel ‘unlawfully claimed his luggage’.

    The man told a hotel receptionist: ‘I’m a member of parliament, I’m a member of parliament,’ The Australian reported.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Seems a bit early to be developing “don’t you know who I am disease”:

    Tired and emotional? As a newt?

  87. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fairfax is running dead on Bamboozled Bob.

    A day is a long time in lefty MSM life.

    Democrats Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Mueller’s Testimony (23 July, via Lucianne)

    The six-page document, dubbed “Exposing the Truth,” will be distributed Tuesday to Democrat lawmakers to guide their “outreach to voters,” according to the outlet.

    “Members will go home and have to engage their constituencies on what’s next — how do we hold this president accountable?” a leadership aide told The Hill. “So we put it all at their fingertips.”

    The memo was coordinated between Pelosi’s office and the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, where Mueller will testify for a total of five hours.

    In addition, Pelosi’s office is launching a “social media blitz” and planning to tweet more than 20 quotes from Mueller’s report with the hashtag “RetweetTheReport.”

    ROFL! This is such an awesome faceplant by the Dems. At least their staffers will be happy with their very unexpected short notice holiday.

  88. Johno

    Hey Joanna,
    I bought a unit in Booth street right opposite the Golf Course back in the early seventies. I had the Penthouse, Mrs Jolly had the other one. It was a 14 unit block.

  89. cohenite

    In this respect, Martie is 100% correct. There’s no avoiding this.

    Bullshit head prefect. Along with the abc Parkinson has been the main reason why reliable cheap power in Australia, the basis of productivity, has been surrendered on the alter of alarmism and fucking ruinables. Parkinson is the epitome of the swamp; a bureaucrat who is an activist in a suit and a greenie.

    Now STFU and put up some real estate porn.

  90. johanna

    The part of martie’s comment I quoted was about economics – not politics – you horrendous swine.
    He’s correct.

    FFS, you drooling, hairy backed half Arab, the fact that Martin Parkinson is now trying to salvage what is left of his reputation does not make him ‘correct.’

    Next you’ll be telling us that Theresa May’s declarations that they were leaving the EU were ‘correct.’

  91. Zatara

    Trump getting the US out of Afghanistan would surely be applauded by all, wouldn’t it?

    I would have applauded had we left when the Allies won back in 2002.

    Sticking around pissing blood, treasure, and credibility up against the wall in an attempt to “nation build” – as in attempting to convert the massively corrupt and incredibly ignorant AFG society – couldn’t possibly end soon enough.

  92. notafan

    Will Fowles is an Australian politician. He has been a Labor Party member of the Victorian Legislative Assembly since November 2018, representing the seat of Burwood. In 2005 he became the youngest ever member of the Committee of the Melbourne Cricket Club, a position he held until 2014. Wikipedia
    Born: 27 July 1978 (age 40 years)
    Party: Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch)
    Education: Scotch College, Monash University, Clayton Campus

    impeccable Labor credentials

  93. Bruce of Newcastle

    There are now hundreds of roos living on the course, eating, eating, eating, and more are coming in. Very soon, management are going to have to face up to the animal libbers, because the situation is unsustainable. The roos need to be culled, big time. Otherwise we will end up with no golf course and starving roos.

    The answer is to put in black sand greens, a ‘tee up on all fairways’ rule and a one stroke penalty for hitting a roo. Plus a mandatory donation to Animals Australia.

  94. Twostix

    An unprecedented 25 + years of economic growth yet living standards are falling.

    Something here does not add up.

    Mass immigration crushing the natives wages and driving housing costs through the roof.

  95. johanna

    johno – lucky you and mrs.

    It’s a very good spot, and I suspect that you paid peanuts for it. The Queanbeyan Golf Course is quite old by Australian standards, and any view to it is beautiful.

  96. Knuckle Dragger

    Tee up on all fairways?

    Heathen.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    There’s already a penalty for hitting a roo, Bruce.

    It’s having it chase you down and kick the shit out of you.

  98. None

    Putin is an Orthodox Christian. Whether he is a candlestick holder or a genuine believer is difficult to tell from this distance. He however has more cojones than Bambi, as Cassie said.

  99. None

    Why is Cardinal Pell still in jail?

  100. dover_beach

    No one should be covering for Parkinson, no matter how qualified the defence. He contributed to the disaster of handicapping coal in order to make renewables look competitive, which is why I often hear the ridiculous claim that coal is not competitive anymore. This has lead directly to the disaster of decommissioning coal power plants, the failure to properly maintain or upgrade existing plants, and failure to build new ones involving new technology. All this in a country with the finest black coal, and plentiful reserves of both black and brown coal.

  101. thefrollickingmole

    Seriously stupid people.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-25/australian-online-support-network-for-manus-island-detainees/11245388?WT.ac=statenews_wa

    Their ABC totally not playing advocate again, nope, just the facts mam….

    She told the ABC about a man who was almost catatonic when he was medivaced to Australia, from trauma and depression.

    “Now I’m giving him guitar lessons on video call and when he saw me his eyes lit up and he was talking to me — it’s such a transformation,” she said.

    Because this happens when peiople are faking mental illness precisely so they get transferred to Australia and lawyers get injunctions to prevent their returning.

  102. JC

    Look , you hallucinating drunk , I’m not mind reader and neither are you. Whatever is going through martie’s mind is only for him to figure.

    He made the comment that we will see a material drop in our living standards without productivity increases over the next decade. This is not mind reading, it’s not politics. It’s a simple economic fact. Now leave the bottle and take a rest. You’ll thank me for this advice late in the afternoon when you get over it, you fat drunk.

  103. notafan

    There were no charges because there was no evidence. Because it didn’t happen.

    This is summary that needs to be repeated until lefty ears bleed

    Doesn’t stop vicpol though

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    KD – I played a few rounds at Whyalla GC in the eighties. Interesting experience!

  105. notafan

    Putin is an Orthodox Christian. Whether he is a candlestick holder or a genuine believer is difficult to tell from this distance. He however has more cojones than Bambi, as Cassie said.

    On the centrality of the family and the rejection of the lgbt agenda Putin is both Orthodox and orthodox.

    A year after the Mormon church promised, again, to stop baptizing dead J ews into its faith, Mormons have raised concerns by funding the preservation — at 10 cents a sheet — of thousands of names of dead Russian Orthodox Church members.

    Another reason Russians are suspicious of Christian cults

  106. JC

    Cronkite

    Energy prices are but one part of it. We have very high capital taxes and very restrictive labor markets. Reforming those would see material increases in productivity. Oh and firing two thirds of the taxeaters too. Almost forgot that one.

    Let’s summarise this again.

    Martie said without a turnaround in productivity we will see drastic falls in living standards. Do you disagree with this comment?

    Gotta go. Make sure tut tuck jezebel into bed as she needs to rest 🙂

  107. mh

    Theresa May was a failed Prime Minister who hung on to her job until the bitter end, clutching at any twig or straw while fighting for breath.

    Her recent statements have been ridiculous. Her quip yesterday in Westminster telling Corbyn that she knew the right time to go and he should too was so fanciful, so breathtakingly farcical, that you wonder about her grip on reality. Further, unlike what May stated, she is no role model to young women. Margaret Thatcher maybe, Theresa May definitely not.

  108. Tom

    An unprecedented 25 + years of economic growth yet living standards are falling.
    Something here does not add up.

    Simple: the economy is now in recession because it’s been strangled to death by regulation and red tape.

    And even the mining companies are campaigning against the coal they are exporting in record amounts because they’re pandering to Greens voters who work in various branches of the public service and live within 10 kms of the Sydney or Melbourne GPOs.

    The private economy is now in recession and it is now impossible for it to grow at more than 2% even in a good year.

  109. Leigh Lowe

    It’s …
    IT’S …
    MUELLER TIME!!
    .
    .
    .
    (for his meds and hot cocoa).

  110. Viva

    Just read Nikki Savva’s piece in the Oz.

    She is still at it trying to sew discord and distrust in conservative ranks by slyly dropping poisonous allusions to supposed treachery particularly in regard to Mathias Cormann, her new whipping boy following Abbott’s exit from the Canberra stage.

  111. johanna

    Speaking of local attractions, I had lunch with a friend at the Yarralumla Yacht Club yesterday.

    If you are here in the daytime, forget the trendy restaurants (although the Charcoal Grill is the only place if you want steak) and go to the YYC, which is actually a branch of the Southern Cross Club.

    Ignore the restaurant and go to the bar eating area which has panoramic lake views. Order a mixture of entrees and mains. Our bill came to $33 each, not counting a very nice glass of Grant Burge cab sav at $7. Weirdly, they don’t have Sambucca, so I settled for a Drambuie.

    It was a glorious sunny day, the lake was sparkling, the food was good. Haven’t had such a pleasant lunch in yonks. Winter around here is coldish (but not at all compared to some places where millions of people live); that said, inhabitants of rabbit warrens and beehives in Sydney and Melbourne are welcome to it.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    Leigh – I suspect Mr Mueller had a very pressing concern for his pension and a strong interest in not having to wear an orange jumpsuit for the rest of his life. It’s amazing how forgetful you can be in the face of such things.

  113. notafan

    No-one is covering up for Putin JC

    He has been fostering the Russian Orthodox Church as a societal glue. The Orthodox Church has been fairly antagonistic of other denominations like the evangelicals, since they rightly see them as rivals. It is clear as crystal that Putin, who is not a Christian, will do the same as the Chinese and repress the non-state accepted Christian churches when the time is right to do so. It isn’t yet.

    They are responding to this incorrect statement.

    China is communist and Christianity is the enemy of the state.

    Your fears for Christian cults in Christian Russia are over stated. I must say too that demons that specialize in convincing people away from their existing Christian faith (because they claim that Catholic/Orthodox are not real Christians) are despicable.

    Most of them are a wafer thin step away from supporting the prog agenda anyhow, look at Hillsong.

  114. notafan

    Yeap warmer in winter, cooler in summer

  115. mh

    The UK has so many issues

    Sky News

    @SkyNews
    Is this how to stop manspreading?

    We’ve all glared at someone taking up more space than they need and now Laila Laurel has designed a chair to stop any manspreader.
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1153233219770126336?s=20

  116. Geriatric Mayfly

    The wood ducks are house hunting. Solid brick the preferred hollow, rather than old growth timber. They are on my neighbour’s chimney peering down and sussing out the potential. Thankfully, it’s not mine this year, as the chimney amplifies their real estate banter, which becomes very monotonous after a full day of it. Unlike possums, parrots and starlings they have never taken the plunge into my lounge room.

  117. JC

    Ignore the restaurant and go to the bar eating area which has panoramic lake views. Order a mixture of entrees and mains. Our bill came to $33 each, not counting a very nice glass of Grant Burge cab sav at $7. Weirdly, they don’t have Sambucca, so I settled for a Drambuie.

    That’s our money she’s spending on booze no less. Our money!

  118. Johno

    Joanna, I bought the unit for $14,500. Wife got pregnant and the stairs were going to be a bit much. Sold the unit 6 months later for $19500.
    A real estate agent bought it,kept it for about 10 years and sold it for $25000.

  119. Des Deskperson

    Might I suggest that commenters here who see Parkinson in his role as head of PM&C as some sort of svengali are exaggerating the role and responsibilities of the job.

    The current primary role of the head of PM&C is to ensure that the Portfolio Secretaries fully understand what the government of the day wants and to make sure that they deliver it.

    The likes of Moore-Wilton, Shergold and Moran; people with no real ideas, views or – in one case at least – principles. but who could be relied on implicitly to loyally and fully implement government policies and programmes.

    I’ve seen no evidence that Parkinson was any different. he did and said what the government wanted him to do and say.

    Presumably this reported statement today actually reflects bis own views.

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nota – I do not think it was an incorrect statement. I’d love for Mr Putin to be my brother in Christ but we’re called to be ‘fruit inspectors’. As JC points out Mr Putin has been quite worrisome in a lot of areas.

    My thesis is that he has extensively read history and recognises the stabilizing influence of the Orthodox Church in the Tsarist phase of Russian, and Byzantine, history. The political structures look very like late Tsarist period with an advisory Duma and an authoritarian Tsar. The model works. We’ll see how it goes, but to think he isn’t persecuting Christians is an erroneous thought.

    Putin touts Christianity. So why is Russia persecuting Christians? (WaPo, 6 Jun)

    RUSSIAN PRESIDENT Vladimir Putin has told interviewers he wears an Orthodox Church baptismal cross pendant, given to him by his mother. In his annual address to the Federal Assembly in 2014, Putin declared, “Christianity was a powerful spiritual unifying force . . . in the creation of a Russian nation and Russian state.” He added, “It was thanks to this spiritual unity that our forefathers for the first time and forevermore saw themselves as a united nation.”

    And that is exactly my thesis. He wants what is best for Russia, and I admire him for that. But it would serve his purposes better to abandon the imperialist adventures in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and the Baltic States.

    And no it isn’t just the JWs who are being persecuted. The above article happens to be topical and illustrative of what I think he is aiming to achieve.

    Russia’s Persecution of Christians Intensifies; Putin Can’t Be Trusted, Experts Warn (May 2017)

    American Missionary Baptist Pastor Donald Ossewaarde, who has been a missionary to Ukraine and Russia since the late 1990s, according to his website, told the Baptist Press in late April that he anticipates the repression of religion in Russia “to continue to get worse” and doesn’t “see any sign of the Russian government having a change of heart.”

    Last year, Putin signed the Yarovaya law that bans all missionary activities in residential areas and requires Christians who want to share their faith with others, even on the internet, to obtain authorization documents from a religious association. It also imposes a fine of $75 to $765 if the violator is a Russian citizen, and a fine of up to $15,265 in case of an organization, while foreigners would be deported, The Christian Post has reported.

    He isn’t persecuting the RC church in Russia and has been fairly close with Pope Francis. That is consistent with his political aims since the RC church better suits a nationalist position than the diaspora of Protestant churches – which are being persecuted. We’re seeing the same thing in China with Xi repressing free Catholics very fiercely.

    I suspect Putin will encourage rapprochement between the RO and RC churches if he is successful in further building a Tsarism-style state-church alliance.

  121. C.L.

    Ahahahahaha.
    Pictured: the Democrat leadership team after Mueller testimony.

  122. Fisky

    Australia’s economy is contracting because of immigration. Too much immigration has destroyed productivity, ruined higher education, diverted nearly all our savings into the housing sector, and smashed exports.

    Only a ban on immigration can save our economy!

  123. C.L.

    The UK has so many issues …
    Laila Laurel has designed a chair to stop any manspreader.

    It would do a lot more good marketed to the contemporary UK’s young women.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    (for his meds and hot cocoa).

    He’s certainly not very quick on the uptake.
    Dissembling to gain time, or real?
    I thought real, he seems a sad old man out of his depth.

  125. Tel:
    You’re missing my point.
    There’s no reason that Sevastopol cannot remain Russian – if its people decide to do so.
    The Ukraine/Baltic States/Belorussia have suffered enough at the hands of their neighbour – Russia.
    Its time for Russia to develop east into the Siberian areas that are under threat from China, and stop trying to recreate the USSR.

  126. Some History:
    “Casual Authoritanism.”
    That’s lovely. Can I use it? Without authority? Which I’m going to do anyway – just so people will think I’m a clever person too.
    🙂

  127. cohenite

    Re that swamp bastard Parkinson:

    Morrison’s next ‘quiet’ revolution is to reform public service
    Simon Benson The Australian July 25, 2019
    Scott Morrison has signalled immediate and sweeping reforms to the public service to make man­darins more accountable and ensure they are serving the “quiet Australians”, confirming a changing of the guard at the top levels of the bureaucracy. The Prime Minister has told The Australian he plans to move swiftly with a cultural shake-up across the 18 government departments and more than 100 agencies before the final recom­mendations from a 12-month review of the public service.
    “We don’t expect the public service to run the government. That’s what we were elected to do,” Mr Morrison said. “In my ­experience, the public service ­always works best when it has strong guidance and leadership….
    “That is what they will get from me and my ministerial team.
    “My view of the public service is straightforward: respect and ­expect — respect their capabil­ities, and expect them to get on board and implement the government’s agenda.”
    In an exclusive interview with The Australian, the country’s most senior public service chief, Martin Parkinson, yesterday confirmed that he was stepping down at the end of next month as the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet…

  128. Fisky

    Oh dear. The chair of the Migration Council is OPPOSED to the government’s plan to criminalise wage theft by employers. He is no doubt aware that most migrant businesses pay zero attention to employment legislation, and will probably have to be shut down if the authorities actually attempted to uphold the law.

    Immigration has literally corrupted every aspect of life here.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/migration-council-chief-slams-criminalsing-wage-theft/

  129. johanna

    It’s my money, JC, you ignoramus. I have not taken a cent from the gummint since I retired. Go cover some grass with concrete and tiles, and put up a couple of plaster lions at the start of the driveway, dickhead.

    johno, those units now sell for up to $300-400k and are a steal IMHO. I’m looking at buying one for myself.

    And Des, I worked in PM&C for years, and your somewhat idealistic view is misplaced. Heaven help anyone who disagreed with the Secretary’s views about anything, In this case, it meant that objective advice about CAGW was simply not an option.

  130. JC

    Desk

    I may be wrong, although it’s as rare as hen’s teeth. I’ve always considered the martiemeister to be a very smart dude albeit mentally damaged somewhat with gerbil warming. The only person whose got into Princeton without being really smart was Michelle Obama. 🙂

    Martie, I think, is a Princeton grad.

    That’s not to argue against his deplorable gerbil warming credentials.

  131. Cassie:

    That can be reversed…..Russia…since the Mongols….has been invaded, enslaved, plundered, starved and looted. The Russians clearly remember the Mongol invasion, they clearly remember Napoleon’s invasion, they clearly remember the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and they very clearly remember the Nazi invasion of 1941….how many Russians died…..perhaps as many at 27 million people.

    I’m not denying that, Cassie.
    I’m saying that Russia has also invaded the nations around it for centuries. These invasions from either side have cost Eastern Europe millions of lives and trillions of whatever currency you like.
    So instead of stirring up shit in their neighbours backyards, how about developing the lands to the East – lands that China is already harvesting forests in and developing cities.
    The assets that Putin is squandering in Eastern Europe could bring in fantastic returns, but no, he wants to build a frigging empire.

  132. Bruce of Newcastle

    The wood ducks are house hunting.

    😀
    Here too GM. They are very interested in my front tree, which has a hollow that is prime wood duck real estate. The kookas, though, have a nest box which they are most possessive of. Loudly.
    Wood duck airstrikes called in!

  133. notafan

    I really don’t think, at this distance, you are in a position to judge BoN, besides which you made a categorical statement, not a judgement about the state of a man’s soul.
    if you are going to ‘do’ Putin please give us a run down on the state of the souls of all other word leaders, as you apparently have the ability do so.

    besides which I do recall your cagey response to my clear question of whether you believed Catholicism was Christian

    given that Orthodox is a sacramental faith, the right lung of the Church as St John Paul 11 put it, I imagine that uncharitable view is extended to those that profess to be members of the Orthodox faith.

    And like I said, if Russia doesn’t want pernicious christian cults trying to steal away members of the Russian Orthodox faith good on them

    That isn’t persecution of Christianity.

    And nothing like what is happening in China, which is occurring for altogether different reasons.

  134. JC

    Yes jezebel it’s your money in a loose legalistic sense. It’s not yours morally.

    You should give it all back. Every single cent and only then would I consider you an honorary brother.

    Sell everything and send the cheque to the ATO.
    Just do it and I promise you’ll feel better about life and get off the booze.

    I really gotta go now.

  135. Des Deskperson

    ‘And Des, I worked in PM&C for years, and your somewhat idealistic view is misplaced. Heaven help anyone who disagreed with the Secretary’s views about anything, In this case, it meant that objective advice about CAGW was simply not an option.’

    Johanna, I’m not sure of your point here.

    My point was that, post Michael Keating at least, the role of the head of PM&C has been simply to disseminate the wishes of the government of the day and to ensure that those wished were met. He/she is not expected to have – or at least express – many independent views or ideas.

    A great many people indeed were scared of crossing Moore-Wilton, but that had nothing to do his providing objective advice to government. Moore-Wilton’s err, strengths were his absolute loyalty to Howard and his willingness to kick any head that night have appeared ‘unresponsive’ to the Howard Government wants and needs .

    And can anyone seriously imagine Peter – ‘no Ministerial brief more than one page long’ – Shergold doing or saying anything that might upset the government of the day??

  136. Boambee John

    Cassie at 1003

    Agree…the grub called Bob is a duplicitous, lying, racist fascist….a coward, a mediocrity, a fantasist….he’s not a mental wreck….he’s a mental pygmy….who should never have been allowed near children….actually he should never be allowed near anyone.

    I am becoming confused. While the description could apply to either, is it Numbers Bob or Wussia, Wussia, Wussia Bob?

  137. And just remind me who stepped in to save the Christians in Syria? It wasn’t any country in the neutered west…..such as France, such as the UK, such as the USA…asleep at the wheel under that grotesque Obama. It was Putin. And yes whilst I know that where were also other strategic reasons for Russia to step in…and yes whilst I don’t think that Putin is perfect or always right and yes whilst I also know that Putin is just following two hundred years of the same Russian foreign policy……it was Putin and the Russians who acted decisively to go in and prop up the secular Assad regime….a regime that gave minorities, particularly religious minorities….full rights. And if we’re going to use that word “indigenous”…let’s describe the Christians of Syria, Egypt and the Levant for what they are….they are the world’s indigenous Christians.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nota – As I said we’re to be fruit inspectors.

    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Mt 7:15-20

    Mr Putin is reputed to the the richest man in the world. He is persecuting Christians. His rivals suffer mortal accidents regularly. So do critical journalists. He is ex-KGB. As I said I’d love for him to be my brother in Christ. David was forgiven, Putin can be too if he has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    But the fruit I see isn’t especially palatable.

    I’ve been watching Mr Putin in action since The Economist reported on his MSc thesis, which he wrote before becoming Prez. In it he laid out the justification for nationalizing the Russian minerals industry. I’ve seen him do that since he became Prez. The Russian mining and metallurgy industry is effectively an arm of the Russian government and is used for Russia’s political aims. Like dominating the EU. Putin is a great statesman.

  139. 1735099

    An unprecedented 25 + years of economic growth yet living standards are falling.
    Something here does not add up.

    There’s a direct correlation between union membership and living standards. True in the USA. Just as true here.
    Both are falling.

  140. C.L.

    What a sack of dung:

    Father of Canadian murder suspect Bryer Schmegelsky says son is on ‘suicide mission’ after shooting of Lucas Fowler.

    The father of one of the teenagers suspected of murdering Australian Lucas Fowler and his girlfriend in Canada says his son is “on a suicide” mission and he expects him to “go out in a blaze of glory”…

    “He’s on a suicide mission,” Mr Schmegelsky said.

    “He wants his hurt to end.

    “They’re going out in a blaze of glory — trust me on this.”

    Mr Schmegelsky said he expected his son to be dead by “today or tomorrow”.

    “Rest in peace, Bryer. I love you. I’m so sorry all this had to happen.”

    Mr Schmegelsky said he and his wife had separated when their son was five and the boy had filled his time playing video games and watching videos on YouTube.

    Note that he doesn’t plea with the lad to turn himself in.
    Here’s the dickhead with his then beautiful young boy. But the beautiful young boy was afterwards parented by video games and YouTube.

  141. John Constantine

    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/23/boris-johnson-on-fracking-and-what-campaign-groups-say-he-needs-to-do-now/

    Might only have the political capital for a war on one front, not many.

    Although the fanatics can only explode with rage 24 hours a day and Brexit will take 100% of their effort anyway. Be a pity to let a lefty deliberately sabotage a fracking project and damage Brexit in the explosion.

  142. Leigh Lowe

    He’s certainly not very quick on the uptake.
    Dissembling to gain time, or real?
    I thought real, he seems a sad old man out of his depth.

    If he wanted to play safe he could simply have said “refer to the report” and, when it was an issue not canvassed by the report, just say “outside the scope of this hearing. Next.”
    Nah, he is a sandwich short of a picnic.

  143. Roger

    Simple: the economy is now in recession because it’s been strangled to death by regulation and red tape.

    That’s certainly one factor, Tom.

    Another is high immigration keeping wages low whilst pushing upward pressure on house prices, leading to high rents and mortgage stress and depressing the retail sector.

    Wherever you look, political interference is strangling the economy.

    And there was Penny Wong the other day complaining that the senate had no legislation to debate!

  144. 1735099

    I am becoming confused. While the description could apply to either, is it Numbers Bob or Wussia, Wussia, Wussia Bob?

    Don’t worry about it. Neither of the Bobs will ever respond.
    Not much point in engaging with the clinically paranoid, unless it’s to offer a treatment plan.
    Leave that to the trick cyclists.

  145. Simple: the economy is now in recession because it’s been strangled to death by regulation and red tape.

    One major factor, I believe, is energy cost (which is a regulation issue).

    It has been brewing trouble for a while.

  146. Roger

    I suspect Putin will encourage rapprochement between the RO and RC churches if he is successful in further building a Tsarism-style state-church alliance.

    I doubt that very much, Bruce.

    The ROC has for a long time regarded itself as the Third Rome, the successor to the fallen Christian empires of Rome & Constantinople.

    There are diplomatic relations, to be sure, but no doctrinal rapprochement will take place.

    That is more likely to come from the moribund Patriarch of Constantinople and will provoke a schism within Orthodoxy, as the latter’s involving of himself in Ukrainian Orthodox church affairs has all but done.

  147. notafan

    Putin can be too if he has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    once again you blether on about something you cannot possibly know, and despite Putin’s professed faith.

    You really ought not prevaricate like this, it is not a good look

    the altar call to which your “faith in Jesus Christ’ is most likely referring is a non biblical innovation; Putin is an Orthodox Christian and a sinner, just like the rest of us.

    Evangelicals don’t like it because Putin and the Russians are preventing them from preaching their false gospel in Russia

    Good for Russia I say.

  148. johanna

    Sorry, Des, take it from one who has been there.

    Anyone who exhibited even the slightest degree of scepticism about full on glowbull disaster porn when Parkinson was there would have been taken outside to the woodshed and shot, or perhaps been assigned to a ‘special project’ with suggestions of openings in other Departments (OK, I made up the first bit).

    But the second bit is quite right. People who discovered inconvenient facts were often guided into other places, often via a promotion.

    My time in PM&C was the best education anyone could have about how the gutsgrinder/sausagemake really works. In music – it’s The Main Thing.

  149. MatrixTransform

    Numpty is Smolletting all over the place today

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    Roger – Pope Francis has been pursuing rapprochement with the Orthodox Church right throughout his term in office.

    Pope: Orthodox and Catholics joining forces to meet present challenges (Vatican News, 28 June)

    Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill (wiki)

  151. Leigh Lowe

    OK, JC, Parkinson is a bwilliant Pwinceton grad.
    So riddle me this.
    He states two seemingly contradictory facts :-
    A. 25 years of “economic growth”;
    B. Stagnant wages.
    Then he goes on to say fuck all as to why, when lesser mortals here have given stacks of reasoning as to why it is so.
    Either Parko is too dumb to figure it out, or is not saying because inconvenient truth.

  152. Knuckle Dragger

    And people said we couldn’t have Scripture Hour on a weekday afternoon.

    Good work, people!

  153. johanna

    OK, that link didn’t get the point of The Main Thing at all. Too late to retrieve. But, those of us in PM&C slaving away certainly relate to this one.

    The passage of time
    Is flicking dimly upon the screen
    I can’t see the lines
    I used to be able to read between
    how can moments go so slow …

    Brian Eno wrote that a long time before it became reality.

  154. feelthebern

    Either Parko is too dumb to figure it out, or is not saying because inconvenient truth.

    There lies the riddle.

  155. feelthebern

    I give page 5 of this fred a C+.
    Needs to try harder.

  156. Bruce of Newcastle

    That may be so Nota. You will be aware of Xi’s pogrom against the Uyghur mu slims. Xi has been working very hard to bring the Catholic church under his control, as I am sure you know very well. Those Catholics who have been unwilling to kowtow have been persecuted quite severely.

    Putin has a large mu slim population to consider in the eastern and southern parts of his nation. They tend to be moderate. Chechnya may be in their thoughts.

  157. Roger

    Roger – Pope Francis has been pursuing rapprochement with the Orthodox Church right throughout his term in office.

    Pure ecclesiastical theatre, Bruce.

    The major doctrinal sticking point is papal supremacy, hell will freeze over before the Russian Orthodox will accept that.

    The practical sticking point is the existence of the so-called Uniate churches – Catholic churches who acknowledge the pope as head of the church but use Eastern liturgical rites – especially in the western Ukraine, which Moscow historically regards as its own territory.

  158. “Ian Thorpe’s ex-boyfriend, Ryan Channing, has revealed he plans to have a baby without the Olympic swimmer.

    Speaking to WHO magazine on Thursday, the skincare entrepreneur, who announced his split with Ian last month, revealed he’s close to choosing a surrogate.

    ‘It’s going ahead without Ian… [I’d love to] have a little boy,’ said the 29-year-old, who claims to be ‘half-way through the fertility process.’

    This just makes me feel sick. Don’t you just love ‘queer families”? And what will Mr Channing do if the fetus is a “little girl”…abort…abort…abort?

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    Thorpe’s uterus snubbed

    CL wins the internet today.

  160. Goanna

    Puckapunyal Army Camp had a problem with kangaroos leaving the firing range and coming into the township during a prolonged drought. I think they may have had a cull but protesters wouldn’t get far there.

    One long term solution was to fill in the dams that had formerly being used by graziers who leased the range.

  161. Gab:
    You’ve been awfully quiet lately.
    Were you aware the Donald Trump is the US President?

  162. feelthebern

    Speaking to WHO magazine on Thursday, the skincare entrepreneur, who announced his split with Ian last month, revealed he’s close to choosing a surrogate.

    the skincare entrepreneur

    Does this mean he gives facials or receives facials?

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    Yeah ta C.L.

    Mr Channing, who appears to be Ricky Martin’s more Hogan cousin, mentioned he ‘was half-way through the fertility process’.

    I had thought this a bit TMI until I realised he meant fronting up to a fertility clinic in LA on a frequent flyer basis, and was evidently ‘choosing a surrogate’.

    How convenient for him.

    Rumours of the breakup began, incidentally, after Channing hadn’t shared any of Thorpie’s pics to his Instagram since January.

  164. Ragu

    Puckapunyal Army Camp

    Oh no. That will set off more Vietmaning

  165. dover_beach

    Speaking to WHO magazine on Thursday, the skincare entrepreneur, who announced his split with Ian last month, revealed he’s close to choosing a surrogate.

    ‘It’s going ahead without Ian… [I’d love to] have a little boy,’ said the 29-year-old, who claims to be ‘half-way through the fertility process.’

    We are literally buying and selling babies. Channing is negotiating with a supplier, formerly called a mother. Monstrous evil.

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    *bogan cousin*

  167. feelthebern

    We are literally buying and selling babies. Channing is negotiating with a supplier, formerly called a mother. Monstrous evil.

    On twitter, that would be hate speech.

  168. C.L.

    The child will of course be prevented from having a mother.
    This is sadistic child abuse.

  169. notafan

    I may be indeed.

    Still has nothing to do with what is happening in Russia

    not just chechens went to syria

  170. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    Clearly Channing’s not with Nivea, as they ‘don’t do gay’.

  171. dover_beach

    Actually, it’s worse that that. He’s close to choosing a supplier. The mother and child are merely things he needs and wants, respectively, for his own ends.

  172. “We are literally buying and selling babies. Channing is negotiating with a supplier, formerly called a mother. Monstrous evil.”

    Dover Beach.. SPOT ON. And this is why I am totally opposed to surrogacy in any form and much of what is the whole IVF process…..it is a monstrous evil….it goes against both God and nature.

    A CHILD IS NOT A TOY

    A CHILD IS NOT A FASHION ACCESSORY

    NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE A CHILD

  173. Mother Lode

    The memo was coordinated between Pelosi’s office and the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, where Mueller will testify for a total of five hours.

    So the memo was prepared before Mueller testified.

    Either it was just a re-hash of what has been said (and been found lacking substance) previously, or
    They had already decided what they wanted to claim Mueller’s testimony signified (regardless of what he said).

    All they seem to do is scurry after headlines. Not a single thought of real things among them.

  174. notafan

    Roger

    exactly

    the claims re Putin and the Catholic church are fantastical..

    The only section of the Catholic Answers website discussion forum permanently closed due to uncharitableness was the Orthodox/Catholic one.

  175. stackja

    Homosexuals have yet to discover males can’t be mothers nor can females be fathers? ‘Hate speech’?

  176. johanna

    goanna, I completely get the sentimental thing about roos. Heck, when I see one with a joey poking out of the pouch (which is often) I can’t help going aww.

    But, the reality is that there are far too many kangaroos for the available food. That includes the Queanbeyan Golf Course.

    Reality is not the strong point of Animal Libbers.

  177. notafan

    And then to ease the child’s motherless pain the words ‘mum’ and ‘mother’ must be scrubbed

    at childcare, at school, and from general usage.

  178. Roger

    The only section of the Catholic Answers website discussion forum permanently closed due to uncharitableness was the Orthodox/Catholic one.

    There is certainly a lot of unhappy history there, nota.

    And and unlike Western Christians, the Russian Orthodox don’t have a historical amnesia which can be exploited by the ecumaniacs to their own ends.

  179. notafan

    Yes well Roger

    sometimes people should let things do

    800 years later…

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    Roger – There’s a bunfight going on right now between the Montenegrin Orthodox Church and the Serbian Orthodox Church. A new law has gone or is going through the Montenegrin Parliament about religious freedom in the country. The problem is that the OC in Serbia claims ownership of all the buildings that Montenegrin Orthodox congregations worship in…

    Guess who the Russian Patriarchy supports.

  181. stackja

    Cassie – IVF has been shown to be dangerous. But I don’t expect any law change. Feelings!

  182. Top Ender

    Former 2GB panel operator Chris Bowen will take radio broadcaster Ray Hadley to court, months after allegations of bullying and harassment were made public.

    In April this year The Australian revealed Mr Bowen had engaged workplace lawyer John Laxon, of Laxon Lawyers, after it was alleged Hadley had bullied and harassed him during his time at the station, which is owned by Macquarie Media.

    A statement of claim was made in the District Court and Hadley was served at the end of his shift yesterday.

    Never heard Hadley. Is he any good?

    Oz link

  183. “stackja
    #3115259, posted on July 25, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    Cassie – IVF has been shown to be dangerous. But I don’t expect any law change. Feelings!

    And surrogacy has been shown to be dangerous too. But you know…feelings…it’s my right to have a toy.

    I’ve joined this movement…and here is their mission statement…

    “Stop Surrogacy Now Statement
    We are women and men of diverse ethnic, religious, cultural, and socio-economic backgrounds from all regions of the world. We come together to voice our shared concern for women and children who are exploited through surrogacy contract pregnancy arrangements. Together we affirm the deep longing that many have to be parents. Yet, as with most desires, there must be limits. Human rights provide an important marker for identifying what those limits should be. We believe that surrogacy should be stopped because it is an abuse of women’s and children’s human rights.

    Surrogacy often depends on the exploitation of poorer women. In many cases, it is the poor who have to sell and the rich who can afford to buy. These unequal transactions result in consent that is under informed if not uninformed, low payment, coercion, poor health care, and severe risks to the short- and long-term health of women who carry surrogate pregnancies.

    The medical process for surrogacy entails risks for the surrogate mother, the young women who sell their eggs, and the children born via the assisted reproductive technologies employed. The risks to women include Ovarian Hyper Stimulation Syndrome (OHSS), ovarian torsion, ovarian cysts, chronic pelvic pain, premature menopause, loss of fertility, reproductive cancers, blood clots, kidney disease, stroke, and, in some cases, death. Women who become pregnant with eggs from another woman are at higher risk for pre-eclampsia and high blood pressure.

    Children born of assisted reproductive technologies, which are usually employed in surrogacy, also face known health risks that include: preterm birth, stillbirth, low birth weight, fetal anomalies, and higher blood pressure. A surrogate pregnancy intentionally severs the natural maternal bonding that takes places in pregnancy—a bond that medical professionals consistently encourage and promote. The biological link between mother and child is undeniably intimate, and when severed has lasting repercussions felt by both. In places where surrogacy is legalized, this potential harm is institutionalized.

    We believe that the practice of commercial surrogacy is indistinguishable from the buying and selling of children. Even when non-commercial (that is, unpaid or “altruistic”), any practice that subjects women and children to such risks must be banned.

    No one has a right to a child, whether they are heterosexual, homosexual, or single-by-choice.

    We stand together asking national governments of the world and leaders of the international community to work together to end this practice and Stop Surrogacy Now.”

  184. stackja

    TE – Hadley once was entertaining, then got hung up on pedals. Now not.

  185. Roger:

    An unprecedented 25 + years of economic growth yet living standards are falling.
    Something here does not add up.

    The growth has only happened in the administrative sectors of the economy, and at the expense of the productive economy.
    Good enough explanation?

  186. dover_beach

    One reason, among others, which indicts contemporary feminism in most guises, is their complete silence regarding surrogacy. Here we have a man indicating that he is close to ‘choosing a woman’ to his surrogate and we don’t hear a word in protest about the instrumentalizing a woman, and yet these same wretches described marriage as domestic slavery.

  187. mh

    It’s a white man beaten to death by a black man, so this story will get little coverage in the MSM

    Man Beaten to Death in Detroit After Car Accident

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/07/24/man-beaten-death-detroit-after-car-accident/

  188. Roger

    Guess who the Russian Patriarchy supports.

    No surprises there, Bruce. As you will know the Russians and the Serbs have a long history of standing together, besides which the Montenegrin Orthodox Church has set itself up in disregard of Orthodox canon law and is not recognised by the other national Orthodox churches.

  189. Boambee John

    There’s a direct correlation between union membership and living standards. True in the USA. Just as true here.

    Particularly if you are an AWU member working at, say, Cleanevent or Chiquita Mushrooms. Or an HSU member.

    But your union secretary will do well.

  190. Top Ender

    Should do wonders for morale – not:

    General to make US history as Army’s 1st female infantry division commander

    Poor chaps still going must wonder what the hell is going on:

    The 40th Infantry Division was formed in 1917 with its soldiers fighting in World War I, World War II, the Korean War, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and other locations around the world.

  191. C.L.

    I have always been fascinated with Rome/Orthodox stand-off.
    Before it was Constantinople, the diocese of Byzantium was a very minor suffragan see. Later, in the early 300s, when it became a capital of the Empire, its clergy and bishops were irked that their city – designedly equal to Rome – was still below Rome, ecclesiastically, because the latter was the see of the Prince of the Apostles, Peter. This being the ancient world, a forgery was created to help their cause (equality of stature). This was the forgery of Pseudo-Dorotheos, which claimed Byzantium was founded as a church by St Andrew (brother of Peter – geddit?). It wasn’t, of course, but the Orthodox persist with the bullshit story to this very day. Honestly, if you want to keep your mind sharp, you could do worse than read the history of what followed, theologically, between the two sees. Photius, primacy, iconoclasm, Filioque … Fascinating, maddening and – ultimately – catastrophic stuff.

  192. “dover_beach
    #3115264, posted on July 25, 2019 at 1:13 pm
    One reason, among others, which indicts contemporary feminism in most guises, is their complete silence regarding surrogacy. Here we have a man indicating that he is close to ‘choosing a woman’ to his surrogate and we don’t hear a word in protest about the instrumentalizing a woman, and yet these same wretches described marriage as domestic slavery.”

    Fantastic comment.

  193. Boambee John

    Don’t worry about it. Neither of the Bobs will ever respond.

    Says one of the Bobs, in response!

  194. notafan

    As it happens matter being discussed somewhere else atm

    The early church fathers clearly point toward Rome, even the eastern fathers.
    Later, the Council of Constantinople called that city “New Rome”.
    Later came “first among equals”.
    Logic points to an emerging circular reference.

  195. Shy Ted

    Oh and Rutger Hauer has laid down his sword for the last time sadly.
    If you haven’t see The Hitcher, you should, he’s the baddie. You’ll never, ever pick up a hitchhiker again.

  196. notafan

    Should also mention that the Orthodox church is not in communion with itself, schisming and unschisming from time to time.

  197. C.L.

    Former 2GB panel operator Chris Bowen will take radio broadcaster Ray Hadley to court, months after allegations of bullying and harassment were made public.

    Hadley is a mindless thug for whom I have no sympathy.
    That said, a man cannot but be demeaned precisely as a man by going to court because he was bullied.

    Never heard Hadley. Is he any good?

    He is a police roundsman. Totally obsessed with car crashes and “grubs” who’ve punched coppers and stuff. His show is utterly boring.

  198. notafan

    The Moscow–Constantinople schism,[a] also known as the Orthodox Church schism of 2018,[b][1] is a schism which began on 15 October 2018 when the Russian Orthodox Church unilaterally severed full communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.[2][3][4][5] This was done in response to a decision of the synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate on 11 October 2018 which confirmed the intention of moving towards granting autocephaly (independence) to the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, to reestablish a stauropegion (church body ruled directly by the Ecumenical Patriarch) in Kiev, to revoke the legal binding of the letter of 1686[c] which led to the Russian Orthodox Church establishing jurisdiction over the Ukrainian Church, and to lift the excommunications which affected clergy and faithful of two unrecognized Ukrainian Orthodox churches. Those two churches, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate (UOC-KP), were competing with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) (UOC-MP) and were considered “schismatics” (illegally segregated groups) by the Patriarchate of Moscow, as well as by the other Orthodox churches

    .
    2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism

  199. “notafan
    #3115274, posted on July 25, 2019 at 1:20 pm”

    If you are a RC…can you take communion in an Orthodox church and vice versa?

  200. candy

    The growth has only happened in the administrative sectors of the economy, and at the expense of the productive economy.
    Good enough explanation?

    I think public service and HR is where the growth is. Exceptional wages and conditions.
    It is puzzling though in a digitised workplace how this can continue. Surely it must collapse at some stage.

  201. egg_

    tetrachromads

    From a prior discussion with Arky re the brain and senses.

  202. C.L.

    One of the things Hadley used to do, apparently, was demand that Bowen (a fully grown man in a senior, responsible job at the station) carry his – Hadley’s – chair from the booth to the great man’s office after each show. Bowen eventually complained, saying it was demeaning. Hadley’s emailed response was “you’ll go on doing it or you can find another f****ing job;” words to that effect. That’s when Bowen should have marched into the office and thrown a chair through the dickhead’s window. Hadley has greedy eyes, a big mouth and a large frame but I’ve always read him as a likely marshmallow in a proper physical confrontation with somebody truly willing. Classic bully.

  203. Bruce of Newcastle

    Shy Ted – I especially liked Hauer as Vortigern in the very fine Merlin miniseries, with Sam Neil as Merlin.

  204. Cactus

    Looks like Epstein might have been attempting Arkanicide…

  205. C.L.

    One reason, among others, which indicts contemporary feminism in most guises, is their complete silence regarding surrogacy. Here we have a man indicating that he is close to ‘choosing a woman’ to his surrogate and we don’t hear a word in protest about the instrumentalizing a woman, and yet these same wretches described marriage as domestic slavery.

    Indeed.

  206. notafan

    If you are a RC…can you take communion in an Orthodox church and vice versa?

    in theory yes, in practisce, no

    However, Catholics may only attend an Orthodox service under very special conditions, having no Catholic alternative available, and even then only with the permission of the local Orthodox bishop.

    and

    Thus, while in certain circumstances the Catholic Church allows its faithful who cannot approach a Catholic minister to receive the Eucharist from an Eastern Orthodox priest, the Eastern Orthodox Church does not admit them to receive the Eucharist from its ministers.

    I have read that the Orthodox are very very strict about Communion (a good thing) and priests will refuse other Orthodox if they do not know them personally.

  207. egg_

    Here

    Hearing and sight were being discussed, likely interrupting Krikkit tragics.

    Tips on renovating vintage cars was also posited as an alternative to discussing Krikkit, which Arky took up, to his credit.

  208. Percy Popinjay

    Grate moments in “Well, that didn’t quite go as planned, did it?”

    Democrats Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Mueller’s Testimony

    Nayzees Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Hindenberg’s Landing in New Jersey

    White Star Line Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Titanic’s Arrival in New York

  209. Roger

    The growth has only happened in the administrative sectors of the economy, and at the expense of the productive economy. Good enough explanation?

    Quarterly national account figures detail the role of government expenditure on goods and services in our economic “growth”. In the last quarter it accounted for about half of the growth rate, iirc.

  210. egg_

    Phat Phuc Un has resumed North Korean missile-testing.

    Emboldened by Iran?
    Phat Phuc Un boldly goes where angels fear to tread.

    DPRK News Service
    @DPRK_News

    English street lunatic obtains first job, thanks to charitable gift of bath, shave, hot meal, and new suit from queen Elizabeth.

    Refuses offer of haircut and skin-care.

    /BoJo

  211. Bruce of Newcastle

    DPRK News Service is of course a Babylon Bee for Norks.

  212. Top Ender

    Oz – breaking:

    American financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has reportedly been found injured with marks on his neck in his New York jail cell.

    The billionaire, who has been charged with sex trafficking of minors, was found semi-conscious in the foetal position in his jail cell, NBC reports.

    It was unclear if he had tried to hang himself or was attacked by another inmate.

    Another inmate was being questioned over Epstein’s injuries which NBC reported were not severe. The inmate, a former police officer, claimed not to have seen anything.

  213. C.L.

    I have read that the Orthodox are very very strict about Communion (a good thing) and priests will refuse other Orthodox if they do not know them personally.

    Orthodox from other patriarchates or just other folks they don’t know?
    That sounds a smidgen too strict.

    … in certain circumstances the Catholic Church allows its faithful who cannot approach a Catholic minister to receive the Eucharist from an Eastern Orthodox priest

    I remember reading in a very old Catholic encyclopaedia an example from history. During the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, some Japanese Catholics received ministrations from Russian chaplains. So that was nice of them.

  214. egg_

    Did someone mention ‘Nam?

  215. stackja

    Alan Jones voice croaky this morning. Hadley dreaming of game of thrones?

  216. notafan

    Orthodox from other patriarchates or just other folks they don’t know?

    Folks they don’t know, yes probably too strict but better than the free for all in some parishes.

  217. Roger

    I have read that the Orthodox are very very strict about Communion (a good thing) and priests will refuse other Orthodox if they do not know them personally.

    As I understand it there are various local traditions, nota.

    Among the Russians confession and communion have come to be inseparable – if you intend to commune it is expected that you will make confession to the priest either at the Vigil service on Saturday evening or on Sunday morning during the reading of the Hours before the Divine Liturgy begins. Because of that the priest will know who you are when you present for communion, even if he doesn’t know you personally. The other Slavic traditions are much the same due to Russian influence but I think the Greeks and Antiochians are not so strict, although certainly one must be Orthodox to commune.

  218. Mother Lode

    Thorpe’s uterus snubbed:

    Well at least he can have his scrotum waxed to console himself.

    I wonder if he did that when people had an interest in him – as a swimmer? Hydrody-nad-ics?

  219. Des Deskperson

    ‘Anyone who exhibited even the slightest degree of scepticism about full on glowbull disaster porn when Parkinson was there would have been taken outside to the woodshed and shot…,’

    Possibly, but Parkinson’s official views on global warming would have to have been compatible with those of the government. Otherwise he would never have been appointed. Moreover, if, as Secretary of PM&C, he had continued to give the government advice on global warming that was unacceptable, he would have been sacked.

    And, JC, I’m sure that Parkinson is bright, but he was a Portfolio Secretary, his official views were expected to be aligned with those of the government of the day, including, when he worked for the RGR regime, that government’s ‘orthodox’ views of climate change.

    It is interesting, is it not, that alleged ‘full on glowbull disaster porn’ addict Parkinson hardly mentioned climate change as Australia’s most important challenge in his valedictory statement, at least as that statement has been reported.

  220. Top Ender

    Mocker is fine form today:

    50th anniversary of the moon landing wasn’t the time to complain about NASA’s ‘white, male’ gender bias
    THE MOCKER

    “That’s one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind.” What was your reaction when you first heard the immortal words of Neil Armstrong as he walked on the moon’s surface? I was too young to appreciate the significance of those grainy images transmitted across the world via Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station in the Australian Capital Territory, but now I feel humbled to have witnessed this historical event. To this day I am not sure what I find most incredible: the fact humans had walked on another celestial body or that something useful had resulted from Canberra’s doing. Let me get back to you on that.

    The Apollo 11 mission was not just a stupendous achievement, it was humankind’s finest achievement. Fifty years later that remains the case. For the foreseeable future nothing will surpass it no matter how breathtaking the attainment, whether it be curing cancer, ending poverty, reversing global warming, or even getting the ABC to comply with its statutory charter. In an era of great social upheaval, disunity and unrest, three intrepid and remarkable men — Armstrong, Edwin “Buzz’’ Aldrin, and Michael Collins — mesmerised 600 million viewers.

    Americans could be duly proud. After all, this was not only the ultimate pioneering triumph: the nation had finished a fight another superpower had started. The communist hegemon that overawed the world by putting the first satellite and the first man in space was the master of psychological warfare; now it had been bested at its own game. The American flag on the moon was also well and truly planted in the Soviet rump, for there was no question now about which country enjoyed technological and economic superiority.

    The lead-up to the 50th anniversary should have been a time for all Americans to unite and reflect, but I suppose it was too much to ask that those on the lunar left could, just for once, not usurp the occasion. “If we do not acknowledge the gender bias of the early space program,” wrote author and puppeteer Mary Robinette Kowal in The New York Times last week, “it becomes difficult to move past it”.

    Kowal was referring to the predecessor of the Apollo program, Project Mercury, the subject of Tom Wolfe’s book The Right Stuff and the film of the same name. NASA had mandated candidates be test pilots, which effectively excluded women from the program. There is a time and a place for raising these grievances, and the 50th anniversary of the moon landing was not it. Also joining in to diss the commemoration was The Washington Post, which bemoaned that “The culture that put men on the moon was intense, fun, family-unfriendly, and mostly white and male”.

    “Cosmonaut diversity was key for the Soviet message to the rest of the globe,” gushed author Sophie Pinkham last week as she noted the USSR had been the first to put a woman, an Asian, and a black man into space. “Under socialism, a person of even the humblest origins could make it all the way up.” Diversity was also key for the 10 million Soviet citizens sent to the gulags, but putting a few token minorities into orbit is a good enough reason to overlook socialism’s most heinous crimes, surely?

    To be clear, I do not have anything against those wretches who were born utterly miserable and remain so until the day they die; if anything, they are to be pitied. What does raise my ire is when these muppets appropriate a monumental occasion to spoil it for everyone, usually doing so by purporting to speak on behalf of the oppressed and the disenfranchised.

    As for NASA’s supposedly discriminatory selection criteria, we should be grateful that it rigorously assessed its candidates. If left to the affirmative action and social justice zealots, the rockets would never have got off the ground, and the applicants would have been graded according to the principle of intersectionality. Unlike Mercury’s requirement that candidates hold a STEM degree, only those who had successfully completed gender or sexuality studies would be eligible.

    The misandrists of today would have angrily insisted that a philosophy of phallus-worshipping inspired the design of the rockets, the anything-but-white crowd would shriek upon seeing the shade of the spacesuits, the hardcore feminists would argue the laws of physics are based on patriarchal constructs of logic, and the disability advocates would complain the space capsules did not provide for wheelchair access.

    In this black comedy alternate history the Soviets inevitably win the space race, upon which Lenin’s useful idiots in academia would proclaim this as a vindication of Marxist principles. If Wolfe were inclined to document this sorry saga, it would be titled The Right Huff.

    That said, it is not inappropriate to acknowledge what NASA could have done better in the Apollo 11 project. My beef is the design of the Saturn V rockets, each of which had five F-1 engines capable of generating 3.4 million kilograms of thrust. As powerful as these rockets were, they are incapable of escaping the pull of wokeness, that powerful and parasitical force which drags everything back to Earth.

    On the subject of wokeness, let’s give a big shout-out to the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, which is hearing a complaint from Canadian Jessica Yaniv, who, notwithstanding the fact she is equipped with a set of Jatz crackers, lawfully identifies as a woman, which can be done simply by completing two forms and submitting a supporting letter from a psychologist.

    The subject of the complaint is Maria Da Silva, a home-based beautician who until recently performed Brazilians for women, or should I say women with vaginas. Yaniv, who is also a lesbian, claims Da Silva’s refusal to perform the service for her amounts to a violation of human rights.

    It is one thing for a biological male to wear a dress and take on a female name, but another for that person to demand a woman give his nether regions a number one against her will. Not that long ago those who behaved so would have been called a creep and hit around the head with a handbag; nowadays anti-discrimination officials indulge them. Incidentally, Yaniv allegedly has a history of making similar complaints against other immigrant women with poor English.

    Da Silva, who has young children, has given evidence she has had to close her business as a result of Yaniv’s complaint. According to John Carpay, the President of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, the cost of defending these cases, even if the respondent is successful, is between $10,000-$30,000. To paraphrase Armstrong, it is one small step for a man to initiate this process, and one giant backward leap for mankind.

    Nonetheless this incident did prompt me to re-think the recent complaints that the Mercury and Apollo programs marginalised would-be astronauts. We should atone for this by henceforth banning white cisgender and heterosexual men from going into space until further notice. Let’s face it, we’ve put mice into space, as well as chimpanzees, monkeys, dogs, guinea pigs, rabbits, frogs and even fruit flies. It is time to lower the bar and give the perpetually aggrieved a go.

    What I propose is a one-way voyage, the first interplanetary diaspora if you like. I’m talking Yaniv, vegan activists, race discrimination commissioners, diversity consultants, GetUp! representatives, climate change alarmists, Bono, tofu-eaters, male feminists, Daily Life columnists, academics who insist students acknowledge their “white privilege”, people who habitually whine about being the victim of “structural oppression”, and anyone who has tweeted they are “ashamed to be an Australian”. This endeavour will cost hundreds of billions, but it’s our treat I insist.

    In short, shift the disempowered from their oppressors, and they will be liberated. A lunar utopia awaits you. We shall provide the transport, and the aiming point will be in the centre of the aptly named Sea of Tranquillity. The rest is up to you.

    For those of you remaining on earth who will work on this project, I say let us heed the apocryphal words of NASA’S legendary lead flight director, Gene Kranz: “Failure is not an option”. By the way, forget what I said about nothing surpassing Apollo 11.

    Finally, there remains the question of what to call this project. We should keep the tradition of naming missions after a Graeco-Roman god, while ensuring the designation reflects that aspect of humanity who will be departing forever. Uranus 1, you are go for launch.

    THE MOCKER
    The Mocker amuses himself by calling out poseurs, sneering social commentators, and po-faced officials.

  221. Ivan Denisovich

    One reason, among others, which indicts contemporary feminism in most guises, is their complete silence regarding surrogacy.

    Mostly silent about this, too:

    A new Population Research Institute (PRI) report reveals that nearly 16 million Indian girls are “missing” owing to sex-selective abortion.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/report-16-million-indian-girls-lost-to-sex-selective-abortion

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Percy Popinjay

    #3115287, posted on July 25, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    Grate moments in “Well, that didn’t quite go as planned, did it?”

    Democrats Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Mueller’s Testimony

    Nayzees Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Hindenberg’s Landing in New Jersey

    White Star Line Planning Media Blitz to Accompany Titanic’s Arrival in New York

    .
    “Ford planning media blitz upselling the advantages of the Lincoln convertible after JFK’s motorcade through Dallas.”
    The soshul meeja meme industry will be in full swing after this.
    Can’t wait for Week In Pictures this week.

  223. stackja

    TE – Epstein almost joined Vince Foster?

  224. cohenite

    re: Parkinson: Abbott fired him, turdball rehired him; scomo got rid of him; make of that what you will.

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peter
    33 minutes ago
    Mocker, you’re right about this never having a chance of happening today. As David Letterman said, “JFK put a man on the moon, Obama put a man in the women’s bathroom!”

  226. 1735099

    I remember reading in a very old Catholic encyclopaedia an example from history. During the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, some Japanese Catholics received ministrations from Russian chaplains. So that was nice of them.

    I remember living an example from history. On Easter Sunday during the American War in Vietnam in 1970, some Australian non-Catholic soldiers received communion from a Catholic chaplain.
    They were members of B company 7 RAR.
    The chaplain – a great and compassionate pastor- died at Banyo on 11th May 2018.

  227. notafan

    I remember

    senile old man repeating story

    #whatabore

  228. stackja

    As I remember public servants did the paper work for the minister. Then came Gough.

  229. Old School Conservative

    Never heard Hadley. Is he any good?

    “Good” being so subjective TE, I can only say he has a large audience who think he’s good. He irritates me often and I can’t wait around for the strong attacks he makes on stupid politicians. He’s lost me as a listener.
    Irrespective of personal feelings about the man, one has to respect the success he has become. Started off as a race caller at the dogs and driving a taxi part time.
    A success story that conservatives should celebrate.

  230. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Ford planning media blitz upselling the advantages of the Lincoln convertible after JFK’s motorcade through Dallas.”

    “Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy your evening at the theatre?”

  231. Old School Conservative

    Great work by The Mocker – thanks TE.
    Although he should have referenced the Golgafrincham Ark Fleet, Ship B.

  232. Knuckle Dragger

    I remember getting married in October 2000.

    As I was waiting at the top of the aisle for my bride, I couldn’t help reflecting that it was 30 years ago that somebody did something in front of some people somewhere in Vietnam.

    Some of those people died somewhere else much later.

    #keepingupwithLiabilityBob

  233. None

    Cassie beat me to it- yes my ipad news came up with the sicko surrogacy story by Thorpe’s gay ex. Sweden recently banned all surrogacy paid and unpaid. They woke up to the misogyny side of it at least .

  234. Memoryvault

    RIP Rutger Hauer.
    Might watch “Blind Fury” again tonight.
    Bloody fantastic film.

  235. 1735099

    I remember

    Must be a bugger not having anything beautiful and compassionate to remember, and having to compensate by mocking those who have.
    But, this is Catallaxy.
    No compassion or beauty here.

  236. notafan

    I remember getting married in October 2000.

    The weird things people remember

  237. notafan

    You told the same story once before to prove some point about some poor old priest

    nasty little man

  238. notafan

    You know the poor old priest who couldn’t cope with Vatican 2 and was abused by your father, or something.

    No beauty

    no compassion

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