Open Forum: August 3, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Eris
    33 minutes ago
    The vast bulk of Australians have no need to reconcile with aboriginal people. It is the aboriginal people who need to reconcile with reality. This begins with the acceptance that the past is irretrievably gone as has the premodern life once lived on this continent, as has the utility of pre modern Paleolithic culture, as has any shred of aboriginal sovereignty on this continent.

    Only with this acceptance, holding on to those aspects of their culture that remain relevant to modern life and sharing this with their felow Australians can their be any basis for Aboriginal people to fully share in the bounty of modern Australia.

    Talk of special status and treaties benefits no one and locks Aboriginal people in the past and permanent disadvantage.

    Comment, from the Oz, on Albo’s latest brainfart.

  2. John Constantine

    https://www.bigrigs.com.au/news/we-have-serious-concerns-about-australias-fuel-sec/3795982/

    Australia’s elites feel that the current stolen illegitimate colonialist settler culture must be wiped from the face of the earth, at speed and without any subtle gentleness.

    If physical fuel reserves would prolong the ability of the isolated Nazi outpost to hold out a little longer, then there must be an end to physical strategic fuel reserves.

    Instead australia has signed a transnational convention that means we have ‘virtual fuel’, if we wave our sheet of signed paper that proves we are complying with their transnational agenda.

    If a few million australians die of famine and disease and exposure as their borderless transnational looting cartels absorb the new territory it doesn’t really matter.

    Our elites can fly in a brand new few million consumption machines from the poorest nations on earth to restore domestic demand stimulus and boost gross domestic product at any time.

    Comrades.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    In a speech on Saturday, Mr Albanese will point to the progress on self-determination in New Zealand

    Where Jacinda is committing national suicide.

    New Zealand shows Australia how it’s done on emissions policy, climate (2 Aug)

    “We are all in this together. Whether it’s supporting coastal communities to plan for sea level rise, making fuel efficient cars cheaper for families, or partnering with businesses and farmers to find the best ways to reduce their emissions and create sustainable jobs, our Government is working alongside New Zealanders to tackle the climate crisis,” climate change minister James Shaw said.

    A pair of mountainous islands are apparently so threatened by sea level rise of a millimetre per year that they have to return the place to the keas.

  4. Tel

    It’s the RoP version of wokeness. A stark reminder of those horrible unwoke people on the other side of the Gulf.

    Lol, yeah I guess it is. Improvement in Saudi Arabia seemed promising for a while, but I agree it’s mostly tokenism and disappointing.

    https://www.manal-alsharif.com/memoir

    Manal al-Sharif got imprisoned and beaten up a few times for demanding the right to drive, although gradually the Saudi authorities have relented and allowed women to drive. She also re-married and behaved very independently which no doubt pissed off the traditionalists. Note that there’s two different covers for her book … one with headscarf and one without.

  5. Twostix

    Governor-General David Hurley says Australia must move quickly to secure constitutional recognition of Australia’s first peoples through a referendum or the opportunity may be lost.

    Who are these people?? At no point was this raised as an Todo in the liberals election campaign so why do these unelected losers think they can tell our government it must do this and must do that.

    We must find the core Bugman hive that is producing this particular sub species of halls of power loiterers.

  6. Stimpson J. Cat

    Calli as your tales are not repetitive and dull, they have not been quite as inspirational.

    Calli tales are great, but I am clearly the most inspirational person here.
    How many other people do you know bravely managing mental illness, male pattern baldness, and surviving attacks by elderly cougars, all at the same time?

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Governor-General David Hurley says Australia must move quickly to secure constitutional recognition of Australia’s first peoples through a referendum or the opportunity may be lost.

    Bring on the referendum – the sooner the better, then, can we tackle the real issues confronting Australia?

  8. John Constantine

    https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/26/kalashnikov-kamikaze-drone/

    We saw the frenzy as our elite quislings littered bollards around all the places our elites felt vunerable in.

    Protecting themselves from being run down by the proles that hate them.

    Our elites fear proles in cars so much that the State has committed itself to complete remote State control of all vehicles as soon as possible.

    Now a prole with a few grand can take out any public figure by flying an elcheapo drone straight over the Bollards of Delusion.

    What level of Tyranny will the worlds most craven and contemptible quislings impose upon australia to keep themselves safe?.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ellie
    #3122125, posted on August 3, 2019 at 11:06 am
    Ok Stimpson, let’s talk about Aldi.

    You literally just gave Grigs another cancer.
    And you know full well that topic is banned from Catallaxy in case another war breaks out and they start getting thrown around again.
    Disgraceful.
    Very disrespectful.

  10. Twostix

    By the by all the “xyz would like to acknowledge blah blah blah” we’re seeing on all government literature now was deliberately pushed ito existence to soften the ground for the argument that similar can be put into the legal document that grants that bunch of weirdos in canberra the power to operate. There simply must be a group of individuals that can be named that are working together to push out stuff like this at various levels.

    Who are they?

  11. John Constantine

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/crowd-violence-police-have-afl-supporter-hit-list-with-history-of-being-violent/7429e30c-a572-4ae7-a702-dac579a4ff80

    Their afl and vikpol have drawn up a hit list of dissenters.

    Will be around in armed force to knock on their doors.

    Sport posing as political indoctrination rallies.

    Police in Australia have adopted a UK model of policing where they are shepherding fans to and from games to better understand crowd behaviour. They are also using facial recognition technology with images of those with a history of bad behaviour circulated to security guards and police.

    Yarragrad security firms, [ seen to be run as a concession by a certain diaspora] are supplied with lists of dissenters by vikpol. Dissent against Big Australia and your file goes to the big australia security firms.

    No Tommy Robinson coming out of Australian sporting culture.

    Comrades.

  12. Mater

    Governor-General David Hurley says Australia must move quickly to secure constitutional recognition of Australia’s first peoples through a referendum or the opportunity may be lost.

    There is a huge assumption in this statement, that being that by merely holding the referendum, the ‘recognition’ will be forthcoming. Does he know something we don’t? Is the fix in? Is merely holding the referendum the actual recognition they desire?

    This build up is very unhealthy in the event that such a referendum fails, and it likely will.

  13. Twostix

    Any inner city bugman who is happy putting that garbage into the contract that empowers the Canberra talking chambers with the power to do violence, will be equally happy putting similar into their land deed regards the british convicts who were forced to build inner Sydney for free.

    Lets see them make the argument its just non bindi g words when their land titles says similar.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    Now can everyone be nice from now on.
    It’s a beautiful day, and I really need to tan my head.

  15. Ellie

    Stimpson, who isn’t being noice?
    Make sure you use coconut oil on your melon.
    See you at Bondi.

  16. old bloke

    Home & Garden Tips time:

    Yesterday I ordered this egg factory and the sales girl convinced me to also order a bale of hemp to use as bedding instead of straw. My questions to any learned Chookologists here gathered:

    Why is hemp better than straw for my (not yet arrived) feathered friends, and
    How can I prevent aforesaid feathered friends from smoking the stuff?

  17. John Constantine

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/09/americas/venezuela-assassination-plot-intl/index.html

    Suspect in Maduro assassination plot dies in mysterious fall from window

    Failed drone attempt to assassinate maduro last year.

    Drones a lot better now though.

  18. Caveman

    Egg Factory more real-estate porn. You cutting in on JCs domain.

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is merely holding the referendum the actual recognition they desire?

    This build up is very unhealthy in the event that such a referendum fails, and it likely will.

    I might be cynical, but it’s a “win/win” situation for the indigenous lobby. A “yes” vote will start the demands for a treaty/reparations/ a separate State, while a “no” vote will give free reign to the “race” card being played early and often.

  20. John Constantine

    Yarragrad nazgul occupying force legislates for vehicles with dissenting slogans to be put off the roads as unroadworthy.

    The offensive slogan hire van firm used as the excuse.

    Social media now full of enraged wymynsys claining to have lists and photos of vehicles with offensive stickers [ love it or leave it/ no fat chicks] and wanting to know where they can ring to dob in offenders.

    We just know there are wankers with lists of Cat offensive posters.

    Lucky I have always loved Big Brother.

    Comrades.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    There is a huge assumption in this statement, that being that by merely holding the referendum, the ‘recognition’ will be forthcoming. Does he know something we don’t? Is the fix in? Is merely holding the referendum the actual recognition they desire?

    This build up is very unhealthy in the event that such a referendum fails, and it likely will.

    Identity politics 101.
    If they win, yay.
    If they lose it is evidence of ingrained racism, so please throw money.

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Why is hemp better than straw for my (not yet arrived) feathered friends, and

    It isn’t.
    Just hippy shit.
    You sometimes don’t want to use things like pea mulch on your veggie garden because it will pop up shoots everywhere.
    But in a chookhouse, that would be a feature, not a bug.
    Free green pick.

  23. Nick

    There is something weird about listening to indigenous politicians, elected to Parliament, whine about the lack of an indigenous ‘voice’.

  24. John Constantine

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-place-for-sexism-wicked-van-slogans-set-to-be-run-off-the-road-20190802-p52dad.html

    Ms Pulford said offensive, sexist and obscene slogans “such as the Wicked campervans” should not be allowed in Victoria.

    “There is no place for sexism anywhere in our state and we will be working closely with our road safety partners to ensure this is the case on our roads,” she said.

    Eternally enraged jaala announces that only Spontaneous Support for the State will be permitted on Safe Roads.

    Dissenters banned from public roads.

    No Tory Chicks.

    Comrades.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Snap Zulu.

    Great minds, LL.

  26. Twostix

    There’s two modes of thought mater, one is that they have such hegemonic power right now, and that the aussie nation is so fractured that they can get whatever they want through.

    The other (which powers the above) is that they know the clock is ticking on their power and they’ve go to act now, quick! Hurry! To lock in all that they can before that pendulum which they rode to the top (and is already starting to fall) falls.

  27. 1735099

    One of the most rewarding aspects of my literature review (from which this blog continues to provide light distractive relief) is the uncovering of gems of history.
    This one (from the diary of Peter Howson, Minister for Air in Menzies cabinet) is fascinating –

    Menzies minister for air, Peter Howson, kept a diary throughout his career in government. Howson, who was Mentioned in Dispatches as Navy pilot during the Second World War, felt his government had no legitimate military reason to impose conscription in 1964. On 4 November, he wrote in his diaries it was ‘obvious that PM and Harold Holt want national service training and were going to move in that direction. The PM skillfully reassessed the strategic basis to accord with the need for national service. Harold stated that SE Asia might fall within months, and that New Guinea might be attacked. Therefore we needed a large army. For the rest of the day and night he carried on, using this premise. It is a false argument. But the PM chiefly for political (to win the Senate especially in NSW) wants National Service. Then he twists the military need to accord with the political need.

    (Peter Howson & Don Aitken, (Eds), The Howson Diaries: The Life of Politics, Penguin, Ringwood, 1984, p 121)

    That decision, based on political chicanery, not national security, cost the lives of 200+ plus nashos, and comprehensivelly destroyed the futures of thousands more.
    And Rudd et al are still pilloried for 4 deaths associated with the home insulation programme.
    Proportionality?
    Amnesia?

  28. John Constantine

    Imagine the sort of activist that would want a job on a State panel, critiquing stickers on utes?.

    I have always loved Big Brother.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why is hemp better than straw for my (not yet arrived) feathered friends

    A quick search suggests that cannabinoids or etc are pretty good insecticides:

    Cannabinoids are produced in surface glands and possess insecticidal properties (Rothschild et al. 1977). These insecticidal properties have long been recognized and utilized, especially in India. Cannabis leaves have been scattered in grain bins to repel weevils (MacIndoo and Stevers 1924, Khare et al. 1974), and placed under mattresses to drive off bedbugs (Chopra et al. 1941). Kashyap et al. (1992) protected piles of potatos for up to one hundred and twenty days by coating them with a layer of Cannabis leaves. Sprays made from hemp leaves kill many insect pests (Bouquet 1950, Reznik and Imby 1965, Stratii 1976, Fenili and Pegazzano 1974, Bajpai and Sharma 1992, Jalees et al. 1993).

    Hemp is lower in THC and whatnot but not zero.

  30. 1735099

    There is something weird about listening to indigenous politicians, elected to Parliament, whine about the lack of an indigenous ‘voice’.

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

  31. Top Ender

    Brighten up your Saturday:

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    So indigenous people already have a voice then?

  33. Nick:

    I recently bought some garden lounges from a decent provider. Delivery was $100 and outsourced, delivered by two subcontinentals who’s English was basic and attitude stank. They refused to carry it indoors or unpack it and carry it inside. I sent it back with them to the depot.

    Good on you Nick.
    I have had a gutful of people who won’t accept community standards and expect top dollar for mediocre performance.
    Recently I had the 380 serviced and the garage who did the servicing asked when it had last been serviced. Showed them the servicing booklet, and the mechanic informed me the ATF was of such degraded quality that he said it was probably nearly original fluid. This bloke must have run across these sorts of issues before because he kept a sample of the fluid. ATF is normally a light red/rose colour. Mine was a very dark colour with sediment at the bottom of the jar. Now he could have just substituted the fluid from another clapped out vehicle, but I don’t think so.
    My attitude towards shonky people has a bloody short fuse these days, and I now actively discriminate against people who just look dodgy.
    We have matured into a low trust society.

  34. old bloke

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3122260, posted on August 3, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    A quick search suggests that cannabinoids or etc are pretty good insecticides:

    Good news, I’ll start growing some in my vege garden.

  35. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What level of Tyranny will the worlds most craven and contemptible quislings impose upon australia to keep themselves safe?.

    They’ve already done it, John.

    Over 90% of the population carry it around with them. In fact wouldn’t leave home without it. Consequently they know who you are, where you are, what you’re doing, and who you are doing it with, 24/7. You can be arrested, “disappeared”, or otherwise quietly eliminated any time required.

  36. Roger

    “And when you compare life expectancies, the bare, harsh, unavoidable truth is that…

    Is that the only way to close the gap is to integrate aboriginal folk into the mainstream culture.

  37. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCuS-_uly_0

    Their abc Les Norton series set in 1980’s Sydney, for the nostalgia soundtrack and so Les can punch on against racist Nazis from the old Sydney demographics instead of punching on with diversity demographics.

    Their rebel wilson to provide balance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jul/31/les-norton-rebooted-still-a-big-bad-boy-but-the-sex-and-crudity-is-less-1985-more-2019

    Les’s quizzical reactions to non-Anglo Australians feel out of time on television in 2019, even allowing for the fact the scene is set almost 35 years ago.

    Naive Les – who only “speaks Australian” –

    ex and crudity were often on the menu in the long series of Les Norton books, created by the late prolific pulp comedy fiction writer Robert G Barrett. The stories were replete with dated Anglo-Australian expressions of casual sexism and racism

    But Wenham found reading the Les Norton books troubling. “It was a bit of a chore, because although there’s great humour and they’re wonderful source material, there’s a whole heap of stuff that, to put it bluntly, is offensive these days. So the creators have done a pretty fine job taking the jewels out of the piece and letting the rest slide by.”

    Not rewriting history, just changing the way it is remembered.

  38. Makka:

    Australia has just recorded its second straight quarter where the economy shrank on a per capita basis.

    So what is the definition of a recession?
    “In the United Kingdom, it is defined as a negative economic growth for two consecutive quarters.”
    Do we have a much more elastic definition?
    God help the punters if the ‘R’ word hits the papers…

  39. 1735099

    So indigenous people already have a voice then?

    The “voice” they have is what they hear from the voters of Hasluck and Barton, very few of whom are indigenous. There are three indigenous senators (Lambie, Dodson and McCarthy, representing Tasmania, Western Australia and the Northern Territory respectively), but again the bulk of their constituency is non-indigenous.
    What “voice” is available to the other indigenous voters in all the other electorates represented by non-indigenous people in both state and federal parliaments?

  40. stackja

    indigenous – Latin indigena ‘a native’ – a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.

    So all Australian born are indigenous Australians. Are all indigenous Australians are to be recognised in the Constitution?

  41. Roger

    ABC news radio crossing to their indigenous affairs indigenous correspondent at Garma for hourly updates.

    This is the public broadcaster that can’t even provide once a week half hourly state based current affairs programs to scrutinise our democracy in action.

  42. JC

    Problem associated with using per capita income to measure income levels etc.

    About a decade ago a township just outside of NYC (around Yonkers) came showed as red on the screen, highlighted as close to the poorest community in the US. It was a township with a very high Hasidic J***wish population. They have 400 kids per couple. 🙂 which is why it showed up as one of the poorest.

  43. Chris

    Numbers, I am entertained by your awful 200 lives lost comparison with the pink batts silliness.

    I have heard people who served as Nashos saying it was the making of them, and why can’t yoong people nowadays have that opportunity too.
    Perhaps their country getting involved in war gets people killed, whatever the recruitment method?

  44. Roger

    They have 400 kids per couple. 🙂 which is why it showed up as one of the poorest.

    Iirc that was because most of the families were on welfare.

  45. John Constantine

    Their abc new age Les Norton is earnestly political

    Alexander Bertrand, who plays Les, says he’s basing his characterisation on an ocker Queenslander he met while shooting a beer commercial last year. He says the show has an “outrageous, heightened reality” and “everything that was wrong with the books is what Les questions in the television series … The new-age Les is definitely a lot more earnest.”

    Do I really want to watch an interpretation of les norton as he Spontaneously and Earnestly Displays Support for Cheerful Squalor?.

  46. Nick

    The new-age Les

    An insult to what the character represented

  47. Chris

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that elected politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

  48. bespoke

    C.L.
    #3122015, posted on August 3, 2019 at 9:03 am
    Theodore Dalrymple on the psychiatric hoax of “depression”:

    https://spectator.us/marianne-williamson-right-antidepressants/

    As if this were not enough, there has been a dialectical tendency for psychiatric imperialism to reinforce the desire of people to objectify themselves and their own behavior, the better to escape personal responsibility and avoid genuine but painful self-reflection.

    Cheers C.L.
    Same could be said for the over use of Ritalin to avoid tackling the real problems.

  49. egg_

    notafan
    #3122113, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:55 am

    Groundhog’s Day, Havana style?

  50. notafan

    That is how it appears to me egg

  51. notafan

    As Spock would say

    Fascinating

    in a Tim Blair reading van badham/clem ford kind of way

  52. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    Why on earth should indigenous people elected to parliament start representing their electorate?
    It’s not as if anybody else elected to our parliaments ever bothers actually representing the people who elected them.

  53. John Constantine

    The culture wars are over and their victory is so complete they are explaining how they are justified in stealing the gold teeth from the mouths of their victims.

    Which all sounds great. However, Les is a product of both his times and Barrett’s imagination, and Barrett was a man who delighted in seeing “just how many politically correct dates I could put a rocket up”, as Graeme Blundell recounted in his obituary for the writer.

    In practical 2018 terms, that means that a lot of Barrett’s humour, particularly from the early books, simply doesn’t fly in the current cultural climate.

    Charitably – and charity is rarely extended when considering the motives of provocateurs – Barrett targeted anyone he considered self-important. Looked at now, his attitudes seem hopelessly reactionary. “If you’re a white Australian male,” he once said, “you’ve got to flagellate yourself with the worry beads for the Aborigines, for the Muses, for the whatever.” This worldview inevitably found its way into his writing, and his characters frequently took aim at anyone who didn’t fit the mould of the straight, white Aussie bloke. Feminists were a favourite target, but anyone with a perceptible difference – gay, disabled, non-white – was liable to cop a serve.

    So what does that mean for the incoming TV series?

    The obvious answer would be for the writing team, which includes Christopher Lee (Paper Giants: The Birth of Cleo), Samantha Winston (Wentworth), Shanti Gudgeon (Wolf Creek), Malcolm Knox (Romper Stomper), and Jessica Tuckwell, to quietly edit away the rougher elements of Barrett’s voice and Les’s personality to smooth his passage into a much more socially conscious TV landscape. But that could prove to be a delicate procedure: go too far and you risk alienating the Norton Army, the legion of staunch Barrett fans who comprise the books’ core fanbase – and, the producers presumably hope, that of the series.

    On the other hand, the ABC must be hoping that the series will attract viewers in far greater numbers than the books did readers, and that might mean a whole new Les for a whole new century – never mind how ludicrous the notion of a woke country-bred head-cracker reads.

    It’s a difficult needle to thread, but Screen Australia’s head of content, Sally Caplan, alludes to efforts already under way to make Les more presentable in the modern age, saying “the creative team have included a slew of new female roles to go head on with the male characters established in the books.”

    Whether that’ll be enough remains to be seen.

  54. JC

    Iirc that was because most of the families were on welfare.

    Yep. They choose to have kids coming out of their eye sockets. They hit the welfare stall and then the place is used by welfare lobbies as an example of a place stricken with poverty because of food stamp claims. Hey, more power to them for wanting 400 kids but this wasn’t my point. You need to burrow down when using per cap stats before you use them as a cudgel. Broad use is fine.

    Per capita income recession is a total crock of shit used by leftwing idiots like Trades Hall.

    Here:

    The poorest place in the United States is not a dusty Texas border town, a hollow in Appalachia, a remote Indian reservation or a blighted urban neighborhood. It has no slums or homeless people. No one who lives there is shabbily dressed or has to go hungry. Crime is virtually nonexistent.

    And, yet, officially, at least, none of the nation’s 3,700 villages, towns or cities with more than 10,000 people has a higher proportion of its population living in poverty than Kiryas Joel, N.Y., a community of mostly garden apartments and town houses 50 miles northwest of New York City in suburban Orange County.

    About 70 percent of the village’s 21,000 residents live in households whose income falls below the federal poverty threshold, according to the Census Bureau. Median family income ($17,929) and per capita income ($4,494) rank lower than any other comparable place in the country. Nearly half of the village’s households reported less than $15,000 in annual income.

    About half of the residents receive food stamps, and one-third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs.

    Kiryas Joel’s unlikely ranking results largely from religious and cultural factors. Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic Jews predominate in the village; many of them moved there from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, beginning in the 1970s to accommodate a population that was growing geometrically.

  55. Chris

    “the creative team have included a slew of new female roles to go head on with the male characters established in the books.”

    I can’t wait.
    I want to start not watching it right now!

  56. bespoke

    Hay calli do some trade shop revues. That would lit the Cat’s up

  57. notafan

    I can’t wait.
    I want to start not watching it right now!

    #metoo

  58. JC

    Iirc that was because most of the families were on welfare.

    Yep. They choose to have kids coming out of their eye sockets. They hit the welfare stall and then the place is used by welfare lobbies as an example of a place stricken with poverty because of food stamp claims. Hey, more power to them for wanting 400 kids but this wasn’t my point. You need to burrow down when using per cap stats before you use them as a cudgel. Broad use is fine.

    Per capita income recession is a total crock of shit used by leftwing idiots like Trades Hall.

    Here:

    The poorest place in the United States is not a dusty Texas border town, a hollow in Appalachia, a remote Indian reservation or a blighted urban neighborhood. It has no slums or homeless people. No one who lives there is shabbily dressed or has to go hungry. Crime is virtually nonexistent.

    And, yet, officially, at least, none of the nation’s 3,700 villages, towns or cities with more than 10,000 people has a higher proportion of its population living in poverty than Kiryas Joel, N.Y., a community of mostly garden apartments and town houses 50 miles northwest of New York City in suburban Orange County.

    About 70 percent of the village’s 21,000 residents live in households whose income falls below the federal poverty threshold, according to the Census Bureau. Median family income ($17,929) and per capita income ($4,494) rank lower than any other comparable place in the country. Nearly half of the village’s households reported less than $15,000 in annual income.

    About half of the residents receive food stamps, and one-third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs.

    Kiryas Joel’s unlikely ranking results largely from religious and cultural factors. Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic J**ws predominate in the village; many of them moved there from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, beginning in the 1970s to accommodate a population that was growing geometrically.

    Talking about Hasidim, that reminds me, I have to go to Temple.

  59. bespoke

    ‘Progressives’ are the most overt racist out with this skin deep representation.

  60. Roger

    Hey, more power to them for wanting 400 kids but this wasn’t my point.

    Sure, but the whole story of that community was very interesting. Someone did a documentary about them I think.

  61. Top Ender

    But to important matters.

    Why is wood polish so bloody expensive?

  62. Oh come on

    Have a geeze at this review of the Tata Nano, an Indian small car made between 2011-2018 and sold *new* for USD2500 – but still managed to be terrible value. Wow that is a piece of shit.

  63. JC

    Why is wood polish so bloody expensive?

    Because it may be a very specialized market these days , with few suppliers

  64. Roger

    ‘Progressives’ are the most overt racist out with this skin deep representation.

    Yes, but what I find more offensive is the notion of a parliamentary voice that will presumably have influence over where and how a significant amount of tax payer funds are spent yet c. 98% of the citizenry will have no say in electing them or holding them accountable

  65. JC

    Sure, but the whole story of that community was very interesting. Someone did a documentary about them I think.

    Lol. I love Hasidim, they’re crazy fuckers. I think every time I’ve caught a flight back from NY there’s at least two of them in their attire heading back to Melbourne. I think there is a Hasidim study center in Crooklyn. I love their contemporary fashion sense and style. 🙂

  66. JC

    Ender;

    My passion is French polishing furniture. I french polish a lot of antique furniture and it all solution comes from France and England.

  67. JC

    whoops and all the solution…

  68. Dr Fowstus:

    Governor General David Hurley warns a ‘no’ vote in a referendum on constitutional recognition of indigenous peoples could mean the opportunity is lost forever.

    Thank God for that.

  69. None

    At the oldies who are watching ABC news going on and on and on about “constitutional recognition” spinning the lie Aboriginals are not included in the constitution. It’s just lies.lies lies. Disgusting propaganda.

  70. Cassie of Sydney

    “Talking about Hasidim, that reminds me, I have to go to Temple.”

    JC..it’s Synagogue….not “Temple”….only Reform Joooooodaism (yuk, yuk, yuk) have temples…..B’ezrat HaShem……there will be a Temple again one day……when the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.

  71. JC

    Oh Okay, Thanks Cassie. I still have my learning plates on. Off the the “syn” then. Lol.

  72. stackja

    Driver hospitalised after Toyota ute slams into power pole`
    A driver has had a lucky escape after his Toyota Hilux slammed into a power pole in Sydney’s inner west, leaving the car suspended in the air and stuck on a brick wall.
    Kristen Tsiamis, The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    35 minutes ago
    A power pole was badly splintered when a young man lost control of his Toyota Hilux ute in Sydney’s inner west, leaving it suspended in the air.
    The driver, estimated to be aged 19, hit the pole on Liverpool Rd near Kelso St in Burwood Heights this morning.

    Photo

    CRV-738?

    Another photo

  73. Robber Baron

    Well, if we are having a referendum about abboriginals being enshrined as our masters, let’s tack on two more quesitons. One about keeping high immigration and the other about continuing ABC/SBS funding.

    All will be defeated soundly.

    Bring it on.

  74. Cassie of Sydney

    Well it certainly hasn’t taken Mr Hurley long to do what the left do so well and that is politicise everything. Is there no end to their destruction?

    Just watched Sky News and apparently Sparkle Markle’s Vogue edition is out and guess what….any criticism of Sparkle Markle’s Vogue travesty and her hobnobbing with elites and wankers and rich celebrity shysters is….you guessed it….waaaaaaaciiiiist.

  75. 1735099

    I have heard people who served as Nashos saying it was the making of them, and why can’t yoong (sic) people nowadays have that opportunity too.

    They do.
    There are ADF recruiting offices all over the place.

  76. ZK2A

    Talk of special status and treaties benefits no one and locks Aboriginal people in the past and permanent disadvantage.

    Shorter:
    “Adapt or die.”

  77. JC

    Hey stack.

    Do you grow oranges?

  78. stackja

    Nepalese national arrested at Sydney Airport after double fatal crash near Cooma

    The alleged driver of a sedan which lost control and crashed en route to the Snowy Mountains, killing two people including a nurse who live-streamed part of the road trip, has been arrested at Sydney Airport trying to leave the country.
    Dani Pogson, The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    an hour ago

    The alleged driver of a car that crashed near Cooma killing two people, including a nurse who live-streamed part of the road trip, has been arrested at Sydney Airport trying to leave the country.

    Nepalese national Sagar Bhattarai, 22, was allegedly behind the wheel of a grey Mazda 6 when it lost control, rolled and hit a tree about 3.40am on Sunday, July 28.

    Five people were in the car as it travelled south on the Monaro Hwy outside of Bunyan.

    Samikshya Subedi, a 22-year-old Nepalese nurse who was sitting in the back of the car, was thrown metres from the vehicle and died at the scene.

  79. stackja

    Hand-feeding cockatoos at Dandenong Ranges tourist attraction to be banned

    It’s one of the most popular tourist attractions in the Dandenong Ranges but now those who want to join in the 20 year tradition of feeding cockatoos will risk hefty fines of up to $1610. Here’s why it’s been banned.
    Mark Dunn, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    August 2, 2019 10:25pm

    Visitors caught feeding cockatoos at one of the Dandenong ­Ranges’ most popular tourist spots soon risk fines of up to $1610.

    A ban on handfeeding the noisy pests will be imposed in six months.

    Locals and businesses at Kallista and Sherbrooke have long complained over the mass flocks of wild sulphur-crested cockatoos drawn to Grant’s Picnic Ground in the national park, with property damage and other native bird species displaced, after a 20-year tradition of handfeeding the birds.

    Up to 200 cockatoos can descend on the park at any one time and the picnic ground attracts about 750,000 visitors a year.

    Parks Victoria this week dismissed suggestion the cockatoo population could be culled if the feeding ban failed to disperse large numbers, but the local kiosk which sells seed and other supporters have a petition to keep the bird feeding allowed, which has attracted thousands of signatures.

    “There is no cull planned for cockatoos at Grants Picnic Ground,” a Parks Victoria spokeswoman said.

    “We will be ramping up compliance and education activity at the site in the lead up to the bird feeding removal in February 2020.”

  80. Cassie of Sydney

    “I think there is a Hasidim study center in Crooklyn.”

    There is….770…..the headquarters of the Lubavitch movement….where the Rebbe Schneerson resided. There are other big Hasidic sects located in NYC too…such as a the Bratslav and Satmar. However before World War II….in Eastern Europe…there were innumerable Hasidic sects….most of which have vanished….their followers annihilated.

    JC…if you’re interested in this…you should watch Shtisel on Netflix….it is a wonderful, amusing, sensitive and beautiful insight into the Hasidim in one of the most religious parts of Jerusalem…Mea Shearim. It’s a drama…fiction…but very well done.

  81. stackja

    JC posted about itself : I’m boring and not very nice. Just forget about me

  82. Cassie of Sydney

    “Robber Baron
    #3122322, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    Well, if we are having a referendum about abboriginals being enshrined as our masters, let’s tack on two more quesitons. One about keeping high immigration and the other about continuing ABC/SBS funding.

    All will be defeated soundly.

    Bring it on.

    I wish I had your certainty…you don’t see people being bullied, cajoled and screamed at…..like what we saw before SSM became “legal”?

  83. stackja

    Howdy neighbour: Giant 5m croc sneaks up on man, saved by his garden fence

    A MONSTER 5m plus croc has snuck up on a man pruning trees on his block, the gardener’s life seemingly saved only by the few strips of wire comprising his back fence
    JASON WALLS, Monster ancient predator reporter, NT News
    Subscriber only

    August 3, 2019 11:34am

  84. cohenite

    Alarmism reigns at the abc; Jo covered this article by a resident alarmist cuck at her blog. But the abc article supposedly addressing all alarmist talking points is so egregious, so comprehensively wrong that it is agnotological, reading it actually makes you dumber; everything it claims is wrong. But no doubt this is what prevails at the abc. Just imagine if the abc didn’t exist this shit would not have an outlet. The private media is gutless and equally stupid but is constrained by the market which would not tolerate this bullshit. This is literally destroying Australia, the West and humanity.

  85. JC

    JC…if you’re interested in this…you should watch Shtisel on Netflix….it is a wonderful, amusing, sensitive and beautiful insight into the Hasidim in one of the most religious parts of Jerusalem…Mea Shearim. It’s a drama…fiction…but very well done.

    Thanks for the rec. I will watch both. I’m always reminded of my youth when I see them and they bring a good feeling in me as we used to live in a burb close to where they lived in Melbourne. Seriously, coming back here from NY, I always look for them to see if any are on the flight. they’re like a good luck charm. 🙂

  86. Ellie

    Cassie, we can’t hear this enough!
    Oy veh!

  87. BrettW

    Cassie,
    You might enjoy The Red Sea Diving Resort on Netflix. About the Mossad operation to get Jews out of Ethiopia.

  88. Cassie of Sydney

    Thanks Ellie….love it

  89. BrettW

    Oops, first effort went into the naughty word hole. Try again.

    Cassie,
    You might enjoy The Red Sea Diving Resort on Netflix. About the secret Mossad operation to smuggle a certain type of Ethiopian to a country in the Middle East. Chris Evans main star.

  90. JC

    The Red Sea Diving Resort

    Is that any good?

  91. Herodotus

    How reflexive can the accusation of racism become?
    Last Night on BBC OS:
    An item about illegal migrants into South Africa becoming street hawkers on one of Jo’burg’s main avenues, and upsetting the SA inhabitants.
    This was essentially a story about blacks complaining about other blacks, but the compere still managed to come out with the reflexive twitch “That’s a bit racist isn’t it”?”

  92. Tel

    Alarmism reigns at the abc; Jo covered this article by a resident alarmist cuck at her blog. But the abc article supposedly addressing all alarmist talking points is so egregious, so comprehensively wrong that it is agnotological, reading it actually makes you dumber; everything it claims is wrong.

    This time around it’s all or nothing. They got the acid rain scam through the door. They got the ozone hole scam done, now it’s the big one, which is control of all energy generation on Earth.

  93. Mater

    I wish I had your certainty…you don’t see people being bullied, cajoled and screamed at…..like what we saw before SSM became “legal”?

    Yes, I see it. However, the last two or three years hasn’t been kind to the loud mouth activists, especially when people can go to an anonymous poll.

    Besides, people voted for SSM mistakenly believing that it either didn’t concern them or that it was to implement equality. This referendum they would be voting to implement apartheid, remove the tradition of ‘one man, one vote’ and relegate themselves, and their children, to second class citizens within their own country.

    Unless they completely shutdown the no case, this referendum will be a dismal failure and will ignite racial tension like nothing before.

    This is typical, destructive overreach. The pendulum has gone too far one way and such overreach will push it back the other. Unfortunately, pendulums never stops in the middle and it’s going to get ugly.

  94. notafan

    This was essentially a story about blacks complaining about other blacks, but the compere still managed to come out with the reflexive twitch “That’s a bit racist isn’t it”?”

    i’m assuming that it is racist to talk about blacks complaining about other blacks.

  95. Mater

    The Red Sea Diving Resort

    A great story, but the movie could’ve been better.
    No too bad though. Remember that it’s based on a true story, and you’ll enjoy it.

  96. Anyone:

    Kiryas Joel’s unlikely ranking results largely from religious and cultural factors. Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic J**ws predominate in the village; many of them moved there from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, beginning in the 1970s to accommodate a population that was growing geometrically.

    Isn’t this a problem in Isreal as well?
    Just that I remember the issues being brought up in a couple of novels, and was wondering if it was more than just a throw away line.

  97. Mitch M.

    bespoke
    #3122294, posted on August 3, 2019 at 1:40 pm
    C.L.
    #3122015, posted on August 3, 2019 at 9:03 am
    Theodore Dalrymple on the psychiatric hoax of “depression”:

    https://spectator.us/marianne-williamson-right-antidepressants/

    As if this were not enough, there has been a dialectical tendency for psychiatric imperialism to reinforce the desire of people to objectify themselves and their own behavior, the better to escape personal responsibility and avoid genuine but painful self-reflection.

    Cheers C.L.
    Same could be said for the over use of Ritalin to avoid tackling the real problems.

    One of the most commonly prescribed drugs for ADHD is Adderall, it has a similiar biological function to cocaine. ADHD has the same problem with ASD. The availability heuristic. As the conditions receive more publicity and research clinicians are much more inclined to make a diagnosis because the conditions are constantly being reported in the media and the research. There is no ADHD or ASD epidemic.

    The problem with psychiatric diagnosis, however, is that, except where there is physical illness to account for psychiatric symptoms, there are no biological markers to distinguish real from false, grave from trivial, cases. (The dexamethasone suppression test once looked hopeful in distinguishing melancholia from unhappiness, but was soon, and perhaps prematurely, dropped).

    I mentioned this issue before. The Dex test is a measure of glucocorticoid resistance and it was prematurely dropped. AFAIK it remains the most reliable biological marker of depression. That was established in the 60’s but psychiatrists are addicted to neurotransmitters and drugs that impact on neurotransmitters.

    No one who has seen a case of real melancholia, of agitated or stuperose depression, or of Cotard’s Syndrome (when a person is so depressed that he suffers from the delusion that he has already died, has rotted away, or possesses nothing, albeit that he is a multimillionaire), can doubt that depression is, or can be, a real disease, or that fortunately treatments now exist to cure it, at least temporarily.

    Damn right. There is a genuine depression that used to be referred to as melancholia. One symptom of that is a different gait. This confusion has completely polluted the sampling in research. I learned this long ago when I spent several months studying the biological research in relation to depression and walked away because I realised it was a complete mess.

    Meanwhile, psychiatry has spread its net ever more widely over society and human behavior. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric has expanded constantly, and perhaps the next edition will not be containable within a single volume.

    A fundamental error in the DSM is not addressing environmental contingencies that so obviously impact on psychopathology. It is another example of the USA health system captured by Big Pharma and the medical fields at the expense of patient outcomes.

    The absurdity in Australia is the idea that we can reduce suicide by more mental health interventions. The obvious fallacy there is that in spite of huge increases in mental health services and antidepressant prescribing suicide, depression, and anxiety rates continue to climb.

    It needs to be understood that up to 90% of depression diagnosis and antidepressant prescribing is done by GPs.

    As if this were not enough, there has been a dialectical tendency for psychiatric imperialism to reinforce the desire of people to objectify themselves and their own behavior, the better to escape personal responsibility and avoid genuine but painful self-reflection. It is not uncommon to hear people talking about ‘balancing my brain chemistry’, so that their lives will effortlessly improve until they reach the normal state of perpetual bliss.

    That is just babble. The problem is much more complex than those throwaway lines.

  98. Ivan Denisovich

    any criticism of Sparkle Markle’s Vogue travesty and her hobnobbing with elites and wankers and rich celebrity shysters is….you guessed it….waaaaaaaciiiiist.

    Joanna Williams:

    Meghan Markle is the worst kind of snob
    That’s why people dislike her. It’s got nothing to do with race………..

    Harry’s great anti-racist awokening coincided with his marriage to Meghan Markle and he has led the way ever since in denouncing as ‘racist’ any criticism of his wife. He set the narrative back in 2016 with a letter to the press condemning the ‘racial undertones’ in coverage of his then girlfriend. And where Harry leads, others follow. The kind of commentators you might normally expect to oppose the monarchy, with all its inherited wealth and privilege, queue up to denounce even the slightest criticism of our Meghan.

    So when, as happened yesterday, Daily Mail columnist Sarah Vine took Meghan to task for her beyond-parody guest editorship of Vogue, woke Twitter immediately rounded on Vine and leapt to the defence of Megs. Judging by the vitriol levelled at Vine, you’d expect her column to be one racial slur after another. Far from it. It’s the headline, ‘We Brits prefer true royalty to fashion royalty’, that seems to have prompted so much anger………….

    When Meghan wants to deflect criticism from her lavish lifestyle and petty authoritarianism, she presents herself as a social-justice warrior with lessons for us all on mental health, feminism and racism. Frankly, no one wants a princess to tell them how to think. It’s preachy and condescending and hypocritical. So it’s no surprise that Meghan’s guest editorship of the uber glossy and stupidly expensive fashion magazine Vogue has come in for criticism. The cover features 15 women considered to be ‘forces for change’ (including a mirror, natch, so us ordinary folk can see ourselves as change-makers, too). Inside is an editorial penned by Meghan, and interviews with primatologist Jane Goodall and Michelle Obama – who reveals that her 15-year-old self would congratulate her on having landed such a cute husband. So, really inspirational stuff.

    The criticisms of this project write themselves. The glossy pictures of women who tick boxes (black: check; brown: check; disabled: check; transgender: check) alongside adverts for designer frocks reduces any serious message to frippery. Few of the 15 women chosen have made a huge contribution to society: they have been chosen because of who they are, not because of what they have achieved. Yet we are supposed to fawn over them as role models and see them as a source of inspiration. Yuck. Vogue – exactly like feminism and royalty – is simply posh, privileged tripe.

    There are heaps of reasons for people not just to criticise Meghan and Harry, but to ridicule their hypocrisy and puncture their pomposity. And not one involves the colour of Meghan’s skin. Meghan comes in for criticism because she is the worst kind of snob who condescends to tell others not just what to do, but also what to think. The fact that she is biracial is completely irrelevant.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/31/meghan-markle-is-the-worst-kind-of-snob/

  99. Muddy

    ZK2A

    Talk of special status and treaties benefits no one and locks Aboriginal people in the past and permanent disadvantage.

    There’s a word for that: Mummification.
    Museum curatorial jobs for everyone.
    Well… not everyone.

  100. feelthebern

    I will take the Beloved on my morning walks. Provided he doesn’t stop and sniff around the bushes or chase the roos.

    What happens when he starts sniffing other dogs bums.

  101. feelthebern

    Governors-General should be rarely seen & heard of even less.

  102. cohenite

    What conservatives and non-left people need are media outlets. The US has Fox but I’m not sure Sky is one; maybe 40%. And it can’t compete with the rest of Sky, abc, fairfucks and the commercials. My newsfeed is from Microsoft and reads like New Idea all with subliminal references to alarmism, diversity and general leftie talking points.

  103. calli

    They’d have to be mighty tall dogs, bern.

  104. Muddy

    feelthebern
    #3122363, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    Governors-General should be rarely seen & heard of even less.

    It’s about time we have a comedian as a G.G.
    If they’re good enough for The Penile, they’re good enough for G.G.
    In fact, it’s racist we’ve never had a W-grade comedian as a Governor-General.
    Let’s change the constitution to recognise comedians.

  105. JC;

    The Red Sea Diving Resort

    Is that any good?

    Yes, but you have to wear 50kg of lead to sink…

  106. bespoke

    Mitch M.
    #3122357, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:51 pm
    That is just babble. The problem is much more complex than those throwaway lines.

    Sure I know that.

    BTW How would deal with that climate girl with out crossing the line to abuse?

  107. John Constantine

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6884743/Inside-crumbling-town-hardly-works.html

    Mallee bypassed village of Watchem gets stitched up. Statistics say in a dry year taxable income is lowest in state, in a good grain year the only thing stopping it being in the highest average is the use of company and trust structures and averaging to bring down the personal tax liabilities of some of the states biggest graingrowers.

    The unstated part of this story is that consolidation of farming operations has resulted in a smaller number of ten to twenty thousand acre grain growing businesses in this district instead of ten times as many smaller shows.

    [ problem is the next step of succession planning, where one child paying ten or twenty million dollars to their siblings to buy out a successful aggregation doesn’t make economic sense.]

  108. Muddy

    cohenite
    #3122365, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    What conservatives and non-left people need are media outlets.

    What conservatives need is to realise that nothing less than mercilessly battering their opponents (legally, of course) will be enough to survive. Our opponents have done it to us; believing we cannot return the favour is to acknowledge we are not worthy of survival.

  109. Muddy:

    There’s a word for that: Mummification.
    Museum curatorial jobs for everyone.
    Well… not everyone.

    A slight change – Social Mummification.
    I like it.
    I’ll steal it.

  110. Robert Mc

    The Red Sea Diving Resort

    Is that any good?

    Yes, but you have to wear 50kg of lead to sink…

    Heh. The Red Sea is not the Dead Sea.

  111. feelthebern

    It’s Tom Brady’s birthday today.
    The greatest quarterback of all time.
    42 & still playing in the NFL.
    A modern medial marvel.

  112. John Constantine

    Watchem has the third-lowest average income in the country at just $24,346 – for lower than state average
    It is just 300km away from Melbourne but a world away from its prosperity and wealth of its rich suburbs
    Shops and even the pub are closed, the streets are empty and many of the houses in Watchem are run down
    Residents complain there are no jobs and that without a car they are all but trapped in the isolated town

    Big superannuation funds with cheap piles of capital getting shovelled through their doors every day under the supertax rort have deployed excess capital into cropping areas like Watchem, desperate to do something except prop up the ASX index with relentless buying.

    They have had asset allocation consultants review this and been tolg to sell out and buy back in higher rainfall zones, but easier said than done.

    Areas relying on south east australia rainfall patterns will produce low income snapshots in dry years, big income snapshots in wet years. Media story is the dry year.

  113. Tel

    It’s about time we have a comedian as a G.G.
    If they’re good enough for The Penile, they’re good enough for G.G.

    I have long advocated a bare-knuckle pit fight for the title of “King/Queen of Australia” offering generous stipend, honour guard, and far reaching powers similar to a walking Royal Commission.

    For equality purposes … random combat rounds to be held in the dark.

    Video rights (including infra-red) to be sold thus avoiding any burden on taxpayers.

  114. John Constantine

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/cold-snap-looms-for-southeastern-australia/530020?fbclid=IwAR3ZAipL-3HBcY1Ny1AglZNFRkYgF4lCAOGSzwk5TaJ3fyp5cwXxZ6syT4o

    It’s too early to know how cold the air will be and exactly what weather it will bring. However, some computer models predict that the impending air mass will be one of the coldest so far this season.

    At this stage, anyone living in southeastern Australia should be aware that a mix of rain, thunderstorms, hail, low-level snow and damaging winds is possible at the end of next week, most likely from Friday into the weekend.

    The impending cold air could also cause heavy alpine snow over a number of days, which would likely lead to the best natural snow-depth so far this season, based on current model guidance.

    Did have some shearing due this week coming as well.

  115. notafan

    John C

    not possible

    we were promised a warm winter

    promised

  116. egg_

    Samikshya Subedi, a 22-year-old Nepalese nurse who was sitting in the back of the car, was thrown metres from the vehicle and died at the scene.

    No seatbelt?
    No brains.

  117. bespoke

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3121526, posted on August 2, 2019 at 4:37 pm
    The Cat is a Liberal groupie hangout.

    Not fair – why don’t I have groupies?

    This Doomlord is worn out and should be demoted to Stinky McCuddlemuffin.

  118. Stimpson J. Cat

    My passion is French polishing furniture. I french polish a lot of antique furniture and it all solution comes from France and England.

    What a happy coincidence!
    I too enjoy polishing my wood JC.
    Have you tried Gilly Stephenson’s products?
    Australian AND Artisan Made!
    Highly recommended for the French Furniture Enthusiasist.

  119. John Constantine

    No conservative social critic ever blinked an eye or coughed up his cognac when the best advice from the right to the discontented and ambitious poor was to get out of the ghetto or the barrio, get an education, get a job, and start a new life and a new family in some more prosperous corner of the county or country. But the dead and dying and white towns of Appalachia and the Rust Belt are another story. “Why should they have to go elsewhere?” our freshly created populists demand. The answer is, Because the lives they desire are not to be had where they are; their communities, along with their families in many cases, are terribly sick, and the hard truth is that they’d be better off putting some distance between themselves and them. Some of the diseases of poverty are individual, but some of them thrive in congregation (gang violence is the obvious example), and the only treatment for these is dilution. A 2000 Brookings study of Jack Kemp’s famous Moving to Opportunity program found “striking” evidence that poor families who moved out of poor communities with help from the Department of Housing and Urban Development earned more, enjoyed better health, and saw their children do better in school than did families who stayed behind.

    Mobility works. But Americans’ mobility has been declining since the 1980s. We are, in fact, now less likely to have moved recently than are Canadians. This lack of geographic mobility correlates strongly with a decline in income mobility (the ability to improve one’s financial lot). It is a compound stagnation.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/02/06/white-working-class-move/

    My proviso to this runs along the lines that moving to their population Ponxi dogbox apartment megacity conurbations, to live a deindustrialised, de-electrified downstairs services life scrubbing dunnies, boiling water and shining shoes for the new nomenklatura also sucks.

    Compared to a free life in the fresh air, an existence bowed under crushing State surveillance, jostled by teeming anonymous crowds and sun-starved from the eternal shadowing of the dogbox canyons needs more than 5g porn to make it worthwhile.

  120. P

    Archbishop calls faithful to adoration against NSW abortion

    St Mary’s Cathedral will open continuously for 65 hours commencing Monday 5 August at 1.30pm.
    The prayer campaign will conclude at 6.30am on Thursday 8 August.

  121. egg_

    At one point under different management this place posed as respectful if you were a 2009 era leftwing goon pretending to be a libertarian conversing with a radical stalinist about how best to dispose of christian bigots. Or one of the impotent liberal pets allowed to be battered by both. This was still during the time conservatives thought the could don the bow tie and be the Nice Ones able to win debates against what were protypical Antifa supporters with high brow policy discussion.

    Brilliant!

  122. Mitch M.

    cohenite
    #3122365, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    What conservatives and non-left people need are media outlets.

    There is nothing stopping them creating media outlets. The problem for conservatives is that they are woefully ignorant of human behavior and hence don’t know how to persuade people.

  123. egg_

    is it or is it not true that there is ample evidence that people are living in illegal boarding houses with up to 10 people in two-bedroom Flats?

    An Injun colleague said he planned to do exactly that – turn a 3 bedder house into a 10-room boarding house – several of, as an investment/earner.

    No one would make such an investment if it wasn’t a sure thing.

  124. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel
    #3122047, posted on August 3, 2019 at 9:33 am

    Immigration of skilled workers does not reduce the general wage level.

    There’s no such thing as a general wage level.

    There’s the wages I get paid, and the wages I have to pay other people to get things done. Two totally separate concepts.

    There is a general wage level Tel, it is the reservation age. If you go too far with your silly little analogy, you’re going to have to say that there is no general price level.

  125. JC

    cohenite
    #3122365, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    What conservatives and non-left people need are media outlets. The US has Fox but I’m not sure Sky is one; maybe 40%. And it can’t compete with the rest of Sky, abc, fairfucks and the commercials. My newsfeed is from Microsoft and reads like New Idea all with subliminal references to alarmism, diversity and general leftie talking points.

    Just stick to road accident reports like Stack and you’ll be fine. Also, stop lying. You news feed is from Liveleak.

  126. cohenite

    What conservatives need is to realise that nothing less than mercilessly battering their opponents (legally, of course) will be enough to survive. Our opponents have done it to us; believing we cannot return the favour is to acknowledge we are not worthy of survival.

    Act and talk left, think right. With the left you’re dealing with people who will do and say anything to get what they want: which is power. Trump does it. RINOs and faux conservatives either don’t get it or don’t want it because they have been domesticated by the left into thinking they are part of the elite/swamp.

  127. John Constantine

    Meanwhile, globalisation, which is now really a Trojan horse for global corporatisation, continues with pace. The actual end vision of globalisation has never been openly discussed with the Australian public – or any other public for that matter. There has never been any type of referendum or plebiscite on whether or not that is what we wanted to do with out lives.

    It is not hard to argue that the social and environmental destruction caused by globalisation is mirrored in the social and environmental destruction caused by the Murray Darling Basin Plan. Likewise, it is not hard to recognise the common fanaticism and commitment for both to be completed ‘in full and on time’, despite the environmental destruction and social upheaval they are causing.

    These plans are locked in. Globalisation is the most relevant and powerful change driver in our country at this time. It is also the least discussed. It has been implemented without education of the public about the known changes it is forcing upon us as individuals, communities and as a country.

    This ideology has been forced upon us intentionally. What we are experiencing is not a mistake.

    Globalisation is simply an ideology; it not a necessity. Nonetheless, its predictable impacts upon the people of this country, especially those in the rural sectors, has been devastating. These impacts are not only predictable, they are, in fact, built into the model.

    Demonstrations against the many appalling social and environmental outcomes in the Murray Darling Basin are valuable actions and they are indeed causing some political maneuvering. However, the reality is that the MDBA, federal and state politicians are all minor players in a much bigger game. If we really want to solve this issue, there are bigger fish to fry.

    In closing I would like to quote a passage from the book ‘Rusted Off’ by Gabrielle Chan (Vintage Books Australia, 2018). If you live in a struggling rural community, look no further than the last paragraph for the answer to your current situation.

    “I started covering politics during the dying days of the Keating government, and the underlying message from economists since then has been small towns do not work in an age of globalisation. This is an international argument.

    The most blunt statement of it in recent times was from Kevin D Williamson in the ‘Nation Review’ (USA), talking about the near dead tiny town of Garbutt, in New York State, prior to Trump’s election.

    “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets.”

    My argument is that the dogbox Ponxi apartment plantations are the true negative assets, not Watchem.

    The Watchem district throws off surplus capital to the city in good years and over time accumulates its own capital made out of sunshine and rainfall.

    We see victoria spend 600 million dollars bailing out Ponxi dogbox developers from the peoples liberation army slave labour napalm cladding rort. As the first patch-up payout, establishing the precedent of taxpayer bailouts of billionaire developers.

    A quarter of a trillion dollars over the next four years is to be borrowed by the States to be spent on patching up the infrastructure the billionaire dogbox Ponxi developers overloaded in their rush for the quick buck.

    Watchem ain’t much, but it aint costing the taxpayer a quarter of a trillion dollars either.

    Only one negative asset, it is australias elite corruptocracy, the Ceaușescus of our Romania in the southern ocean.

    Comrades.

  128. Tel

    There is a general wage level Tel, it is the reservation age. If you go too far with your silly little analogy, you’re going to have to say that there is no general price level.

    What are you advocating … The General Theory?

  129. JC

    Meanwhile, globalisation, which is now really a Trojan horse for global corporatisation, continues with pace.

    Really? And here I was thinking it’s about choosing cheap goods. Let’s hope HMV makes a come back so I can buy an analogue TV instead of a Samsung LED. I always wanted a Ford Falcon too.

  130. Dr Faustus

    The whole ‘debate’ about recognition etc is thickly coated in humbug and pious folkloric claptrap, too sacred to question. The national conversation, such as it is, is being conducted as though everyone had a clear idea of the detailed programmatic specificity of what is being proposed.

    For example: constitutional recognition and The Voice.

    Uncle Albo, the ALP and David Hurley all tell us that it is an essential if we are ever to ‘move on’ as a nation. Anne Twomey and Barnaby Joyce assure us that The Voice could never be, or become, a Third Chamber of Parliament.

    But what, exactly, are the form of words of the constitutional amendments that lead them to those conclusions? What is the driving intent that the High Court might consider?

    Exactly how would indigenous deliberation and delivery of advice impact on the operations of the HoR, or the Senate?

    – What scope? Would the Voice be heard on every routine Bill, or just Bills specifically impacting Indigenous matters?
    – Would it be mandatory for Parliamentarians to wait for indigenous advice before processing Bills?
    – Would they be explicitly or implicitly compelled to consider advice?
    – Would there be any legal avenue of appeal if the advice of the Voice was not heeded?
    – How would 200 dissenting opinions be managed?
    What happens if it takes the Voice two years to consider and advise on the Road Camber Standardization Act (2021)

    What form would the Voice take?

    – Would it be 30 representatives? 75? 500 (or however many First Nations exist)?
    – What selection/election machinery; what supporting infrastructure?
    – What cost?

    A minute’s though points to the risk of a swamp that, far from assisting the Indigenous, is likely to paralyse the (already dodgy) Australian democratic process. Clearly Australia’s Great and Good (and Barnaby) must have a pretty well-though-out view on all this for them to be out there and advocating. But hard to pick it from the Uluru Statement from the Heart:

    We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.

    It’s almost as if Australians are being asked to agree on the feelz to something they haven’t quite seen.

  131. cohenite

    Some people are starting to get it:

    Certify the political class?

    David Flint The Spectator Australia 3 August 2019

    ‘Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.’ The truth of this ancient proverb has been demonstrated by the line-up of Western leaders listening to, attending lectures by and commending the Swedish child global warmist activist, Greta Thunberg. At least Ms Thunberg, a vegan who refuses to fly, is not a hypocrite.

    But as Bjorn Lomborg points out, despite the world spending $US162 billion this year subsidising renewable energy and spending by 2030 between $US1 trillion to $US2 trillion a year on the Paris Agreement, there will be no measurable impact whatsoever on temperatures even by the end of the century.

    Although Lomborg actually believes in the theory of man-made global warming, he was banned by the Australian academic establishment as a heretic. Why? Because he dared propose an alternative solution: funding research to find cost-efficient technological solutions. His sin was to dare dissent from the officially- mandated remedy proposed by the sinister anti-Western forces behind the United Nations’ IPCC.

    What is truly extraordinary is that most Australian politicians claim to believe both the theory and the spurious IPCC ‘solution’, whatever that does to the country and the people.

    The reason why Bill Shorten lost the election was that along with his plans to steal the savings of and otherwise punish the aspirational, he was going to go even further than the Coalition on global warming.

    The plain fact is that, despite the election, the government’s energy policy is still the principal reason why small business is suffering, why manufacturing is going overseas and why we shall soon be net importers of food.

    This madness is even infecting local government, with city councils declaring a ‘climate emergency’ while they indulge in ratepayer-funded luxury international travel.

    Fortunately, one of the few Western leaders who is both sane and honest enough to refuse to go along with this madness is also the most powerful, Donald Trump.

    And unlike some of his predecessors, he has meticulously observed the constitutional constraints on his office, no matter what insults likening him to Hitler are made on the ABC’s showcase programme, Q&A .

    (On that outrage, just what is Chairman Buttrose doing?)

    The question for Australians is not whether the madness that is sweeping through Western elites has reached Australia, but whether it was manifested here earlier and at a level worse than in most Western countries.

    The problem seems to be that Australian politicians appear too ready to give total support to whatever fashionable idea the elites endorse….

    In reference to the mongoloid Swedish gremlin the answer is to point out she is a spastic, a high functioning autistic loon who has been brainwashed by her vile parents, alarmists and pollies without conscience and had her own lunatic tendencies given full freedom.

    So I say to those snowflakes who have been winging about the troll and superciliously advising to gracefully ignore it: zero fucking tolerance. If people talk and do shit you shove it in their face and then in private you can sip your fucking tea with your pinkie extended.

  132. Top Ender

    Have just found a recipe for wood polish, much cheaper than the O Cedar stuff at Bunnings and Coles, which is $8 for 300ml.

    1 cup of olive oil

    1/4 cup of white vinegar

    Few drops of lemon essence.

    Have just gone over a speaker stand with it. Looks excellent. Waiting to see if it dries OK.

  133. Someone suggested that there was something odd about walking into a Motor Registry office and finding almost 100% subcontinentals behind the counter.
    Perhaps one of our more video gifted members would be inclined to get a friend, with camera, to step inside an office manned in this way, and video friend asking his friend why the curious statistical fluke of this happening – when subcontinentals are only 3% of the population?
    There are no prizes given for how quickly the race card is played, unless one has a stopwatch gradated in tenths of a second.
    If the questions are never asked, there is no need to justify the practise.

  134. John Constantine

    From a former marine and Yale Law School graduate, a probing look at the struggles of America’s white working class through the author’s own story of growing up in a poor Rust Belt town

    Hillbilly Elegy is a passionate and personal analysis of a culture in crisis—that of poor, white Americans. The disintegration of this group, a process that has been slowly occurring now for over forty years, has been reported with growing frequency and alarm, but has never before been written about as searingly from the inside. In Hillbilly Elegy, J.D. Vance tells the true story of what a social, regional, and class decline feels like when you were born with it hanging around your neck.

    The Vance family story began with hope in postwar America. J.D.’s grandparents were “dirt poor and in love” and moved north from Kentucky’s Appalachia region to Ohio in the hopes of escaping the dreadful poverty around them. They raised a middle-class family, and eventually one of their grandchildren would graduate from Yale Law School, a conventional marker of success in achieving generational upward mobility. But as the family saga of Hillbilly Elegy plays out, we learn that J.D.’s grandparents, aunt, uncle, sister, and, most of all, his mother struggled profoundly with the demands of their new middle-class life, never fully escaping the legacy of abuse, alcoholism, poverty, and trauma so characteristic of their part of America. With piercing honesty, Vance shows how he himself still carries around the demons of his chaotic family history.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hillbilly-Elegy-Memoir-Family-Culture/dp/0062300547/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1469216480&sr=8-1&keywords=hillbilly+elegy&linkCode=sl1&tag=theamericonse-20&linkId=666e3d465bc202a6e177ce8abaa2a4a6

    A deeply moving memoir, with its share of humor and vividly colorful figures, Hillbilly Elegy is the story of how upward mobility really feels. And it is an urgent and troubling meditation on the loss of the American dream for a large segment of this country.

    See all Editorial Reviews

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Uluru Statement from the Heart:

    Repeating the old bullshit that “In 1967, we were counted.”

  136. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Removing the impact of population growth from fourth quarter GDP figures, the economy declined by 0.2 per cent in the three months to the end of the year, following a 0.1 per cent decline in the three months to September. March 2019

    dotty, the RBA already admits wages GROWTH is suppressed by immigration and the resulting influx of labor. You can argue the semantics over whatever you like. It’s clearly too difficult a concept for you to grasp. And of course it won’t disprove your economic analysis dotty, because under no circumstances must reality interfere with your open borders ideology.

    I don’t even care about the borders because you are opposed to ANY immigration (for at least 20 years IIRC). You’d be opposed to cutting all migration down to lower numbers or ending the rorts that push it higher than the market would bear.

    You are arguing semantics. You are using obscure metrics to put forward a case where it otherwise does not exist. You are conflating wages growth and per capita real GDP growth. Minus 0.3% growth over six months? So what? That’s pretty small, per capita GDP: it isn’t the general wage levels growth or the wage growth in any specific industry. If we saw very mild deflation of -0.3% to match it would not matter much at all. We’ve had a worsening drought last year and the harvest has been off, ag. makes up only 3% of the economy but it has one of the highest inter-industry multipliers. This is not the end of the world stuff. Nor can migrants, no matter how bad, be blamed for crushing public debt, unsustainable monetary expansion, high taxes and excessive and ridiculous regulation.

    Wages growth might be suppressed – in a particular industry. That’s it.

    Real wages don’t go down because of a higher population; unless you’re arguing that a higher population necessarily causes lower productivity or more output can increase the general price level. This is an extremely misguided conclusion. There is no way the RBA would argue that a first principle like the production function is wrong. It also means on some level you want everyone else to have fewer and fewer children.

    If we can ‘t have more capital investment (and we saw lower lending to business last period) then there’s your problem.

  137. Bespoke:

    This Doomlord is worn out and should be demoted to Stinky McCuddlemuffin.

    Second Class of course.

  138. cohenite

    We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.

    See, this is bullshit of the highest order; and what are the conservatives doing: either running around like headless chicken squawking the refrain or skulking in dark corners avoiding the issue.

    Aboriginal culture has nothing to offer any modern society. The aboriginals should be extremely grateful that English values which became Western values rescued them from extinction. The best and only thing aboriginals can expect is equal citizenship rights. That’s it.

  139. Mark from Melbourne

    See the Bombers go crash, crash…

  140. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel
    #3122402, posted on August 3, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    There is a general wage level Tel, it is the reservation age. If you go too far with your silly little analogy, you’re going to have to say that there is no general price level.

    What are you advocating … The General Theory?

    Empirical labour market economics that has SFA to do with Keynes, you nimrod. For example:

    https://www.nber.org/digest/jun14/w19870.html

    If you’re going to argue there is no general price level try travelling overseas with Tel’s AUD vs the AUD the rest of us are using here in Australia. See how that goes with and OTC and fees.

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Only lies can defeat indigenous voice: Pearson

    Noel Pearson says the slur of racial separatism could still kill off the voice, but he remained hopeful Picture: Britta Campion / The Australian

    Paige Taylor
    WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    An hour ago August 3, 2019
    11 Comments

    Cape York leader Noel Pearson says the truth is out about the just movement for a First Nations voice in the constitution and now only lies can defeat it.

    In a speech to the Garma festival in Arnhem Land today, Mr Pearson excoriated the Institute of Public Affairs for dispatching “young boys” like child soldiers to disseminate pap against the voice.

    “Our opponents in the Institute of Public Affairs attempt to put a liberal philosophical sheen on Andrew Bolt’s argument that a First Nations voice would constitute separate treatment on the basis of race in the constitution,” he said.

    “This argument succeeds only if you ignore the truth that our claim is on the basis of our being indigenous to this country, not on the basis of race. Bolt and the IPA remain steadfastly obscurant on this.

    “They refuse the truth that if the Yolngu (of Arnhem Land) were blonde and blue-eyed, they would be no less indigenous to this Arnhem Land … Who would say to the Sami of the Arctic Circle or the Maori of New Zealand that their status is based on race and not that they are native to their homelands?”

    A day after Gumatj clan leader Galarrwuy Yunupingu warned his Yolngu people would turn their backs on Australia’s highest law document if their demand for significant constitutional change was ignored, The Cape York Partnership founder said reform was especially important for them.

    “I mean not to diminish the rightful claim to recognition of all First Nations across the country in saying that the urgency of recognition is especially serious for our most traditional societies,” Mr Pearson said.

    From the Oz. Hardly a positive contribution to the debate.

  142. John Constantine

    Starting to look to me that our political class are acting as if running up a trillion dollars of unfunded future infrastructure liabilities is a good thing if it locks us into being globalised.

    Our State bails out the globalisation dogbox apartment developers when the use crap global cladding made out of napalm on peoples bedroom walls, 600 million first payment. Quarter of a trillion to patch overloaded infrastructure and that just holds us steady for forty months.

    The State spends tens of billions on negative assets like desalinisation plants so nobody can protest we don’t have enough water to support importing tens of extra millions of voters.

  143. BrettW

    JC, Mater summed the movie up very well.
    One of those movies where they show the real participants photos at the end.

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    One of the most commonly prescribed drugs for ADHD is Adderall, it has a similiar biological function to cocaine.

    Just imagine being diagnosed with ADHD, then being prescribed Ritalin, then also being diagnosed with Bipolar and put on Lithium and other things, then in utter despair finally taking over your own treatment and realizing that both diagnosis were completely f$cking wrong and it was actually disorganized schizophrenia and assorted other joys from the beginning.
    Can you guess what happens when you give a schizophrenic daily high doses of stimulants for years?
    Oh the hilarity.
    Talking about a very inspirational crazy friend of mine who shall remain nameless of course.
    And I bet they are not alone.
    😂

  145. egg_

    With the left you’re dealing with people who will do and say anything to get what they want: which is power.

    Nailed it.
    Office politics are no different.

  146. JC

    Can you guess what happens when you give a schizophrenic daily high doses of stimulants for years?

    Enlighten us.

  147. johanna

    Excellent analysis by Ben Pile of the Extinction Rebellion eco-loons currently terrorising the UK here.

    The misapprehension that XR are some kind of invasion of forces from outside Westminster is also easy to understand. On this site, Paul Homewood observed that BBC staff were not just embedded within XR for the purpose of documentary filmmaking, but uncritically attached to its ideology and aims. In the Times, Dominic Lawson noted, rightly, that XR were more Year Zero than Net Zero, and urged politicians to stop indulging the protesters. The Policy Exchange think tank produced a report by Tom Wilson and Richard Walton which demonstrated the extreme ideological objectives of XR. According to Wilson and Walton, ‘Celebrities, politicians and members of the public have been seduced into believing that Extinction Rebellion’s methods and tactics are honourable and justified’ and recommended that ‘politicians and public figures should avoid endorsing, legitimising, or meeting with Extinction Rebellion’. Wilson, Walton and Lawson are surely right in many of their observations about what XR are, but they seem almost naïve about how they came to be.

    and

    XR’s absolutism, their sense of entitlement, their sheer anti-democratic narcissism, is all born out of the logic, the culture, the design and the ideology of the political compact that has been decades in the making. They are socially, politically, culturally inured to the eco-centric perspective that dominates in Westminster, and they take its every ideological presupposition for granted as scientific fact.

    He is talking about environmentalism, but a lot of it also applies to the Aboriginal grievance industry that was being discussed above, where the ABC is embedded at Garma and the Governor-General breaks every rule in the book to push a political argument which is very much an elitist priority, not a popular one.

    Similar dynamics can be seen in the transgender and aggressive gay rights movements.

    Well worth a read.

  148. John Constantine

    The massive unfunded infrastructure liabilities only get crystalised if australians demand future infrastructure per person equal to 1990’s australia.

    If the State can enforce water use at rationing levels, it is cheaper.

    Doing away with private cars makes it cheaper.

    Electricity/heating/gas rationing per person saves a fortune.

    Cut the speed limits instead of fixing the roads.

    Euthanasia not end of life care.

    We see where it ends up, globalised consumption machines, rations fed in one end, compliance produced out the other.

    Comrades.

  149. JC

    CL’s link earlier mentioned 1/6 of the population is on some form of psychotic drug. That’s a hell of a lot of people. I reckon you can often tell someone is drugged up. Their behavior and talking seems to be very even keel.

  150. egg_

    Our State bails out the globalisation dogbox apartment developers when the use crap global cladding made out of napalm on peoples bedroom walls, 600 million first payment. Quarter of a trillion to patch overloaded infrastructure and that just holds us steady for forty months.

    “Drunken sailors” kowtowing to the Global elite, borrowing from the Chinks’ Belt and Road, if need be.
    Comrade.

  151. Tel

    Frank, that “Reservation Wage” you linked to is per individual worker. There’s nothing generalized about it.

    My AUD is regular AUD with the Philip Lowe signature on it, like others are using. If I was printing my own I assure you I would not devalue it so quickly.

  152. JC

    Tel

    Do you think say people working jobs at the minimum wage level don’t know what others are getting for similar work? I beg to differ, as they do.

  153. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Have just gone over a speaker stand with it. Looks excellent. Waiting to see if it dries OK.

    Let us know how it dries, Top Ender.
    I have a fair whack of wood furniture to rejuvenate.

  154. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cape York leader Noel Pearson says the truth is out about the just movement for a First Nations voice in the constitution and now only lies can defeat it.

    Sorry Noel, no one should be ‘more equal’ than any other. You were born here and so was I. Why should you have unearned precedence over me? Nor should I have unearned precedence over you.

  155. dover_beach

    People here may be interested in David Oderberg’s paper on death, unity, and the brain. One of the implications of this argument is that the current definition, brain death, is largely motivated by the needs of organ transplantation. A further implication is that there will be a lot of opposition to alternative and more substantive indicators like putrification, because it will significantly reduce the pool of transplantable organs.

  156. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    So what you’re telling me Tel is that there are no supply curves?

    There is definitely labour demand too, this is how the market-clearing and reservation wage is determined.

  157. Tel

    Do you think say people working jobs at the minimum wage level don’t know what others are getting for similar work? I beg to differ, as they do.

    Maybe, to some extent but there’s the key phrase: “for similar work”.

    Pick someone with a high reservation wage like Israel Folau, now explain who does “similar work”? Probably not so easy to figure out. Sure, the concept of “similar work” is easy enough when applied to dunny cleaners or parks and gardens maintenance, but that does not generalize to a modern economy where most people are doing highly specialized tasks.

  158. Tel

    Frank, you said (and I quote), “the general wage level” which means a singular number. Note that word “the” meaning only one of these items.

    Some number that can generalize about all wages in a country … there isn’t such a thing.

  159. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Stop worrying about the “unrepayable debt” needed to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, John.
    It’s already covered.
    What did you think the $3 trillion in super funds was for – retirement?

    It’s all just another cog in the global corporatisation you mentioned earlier.

  160. JC

    Tel

    I think its pretty clear in economic discussion that the higher the wage scale one goes transparency becomes an issue. Forget Israel F. How about a top film star who’s had a string of past hits and then has a bunch of bad movies. What should he expect on the next film deal?

    Average means to some extent that people attempt to compute a form of standardization and then work from there.

  161. egg_

    Doing away with private cars makes it cheaper.

    Isn’t the Gummint dependent on the c. 50% fuel taxes, Comrade?

  162. I think I’ll cheer myself up by watching mad bastard drivers try to kill each other.
    Play nice…

  163. JC

    Some number that can generalize about all wages in a country … there isn’t such a thing.

    Really? So FairWork proclaiming a rise in the minimum wage from x to x + 2% has no impact on wages because you cannot generalize. If you can’t generalize then there shouldn’t be anyone receiving a minimum wage, yet there are lots of people who do.

  164. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel

    It can mean the wage share of GDP
    The reservation wage (supply and demand determine this)
    The unskilled component of all work.
    An average or another measure of central tendency with a degree of variance

    It can be determined at a market-clearing rate.

    Yes, pedantically it isn’t a true thing in the same way that aggregate demand for all goods is a really nebulous idea. We can make various estimates of it and the general price level does exist, regardless. Yes sure, the general price level is not a completely robust concept* either but it is robust enough to be useful.

    You can have real wages defined as some measure of W/P or you can make 11 million measures of the wage rate and then divide it by the general price level.

    *Non-neutrality of money, geographic variation and real after tax-effective exchange rates and so on.

  165. egg_

    XR’s absolutism, their sense of entitlement, their sheer anti-democratic narcissism, is all born out of the logic, the culture, the design and the ideology of the political compact that has been decades in the making.

    The Leftist mindset is narcissistic in nature.
    Virtue signalling, in a nutshell.

  166. Bruce in WA

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-place-for-sexism-wicked-van-slogans-set-to-be-run-off-the-road-20190802-p52dad.html

    Ms Pulford said offensive, sexist and obscene slogans “such as the Wicked campervans” should not be allowed in Victoria.

    “There is no place for sexism anywhere in our state and we will be working closely with our road safety partners to ensure this is the case on our roads,” she said.

    Eternally enraged jaala announces that only Spontaneous Support for the State will be permitted on Safe Roads.

    Dissenters banned from public roads.

    No Tory Chicks.
    Comrades.

    Isn’t Wicked Vans a Qld company? Aren’t their vans all Qld rego? (Genuine question)

    There is some concern over the wording of the legislation, inasmuch as it could be applied to personalised plates. If that became accepted, how long would my mate’s plates (RIFLEMAN) last before a Green found them “offensive”? Or the bloke down the road from me (GUNSHOT)?

    How long before an anorexic found those stick figure transfers offensive?

    There is already a plethora of laws covering obscenity. Hasn’t Dan Andrews got anything else to do?

  167. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    PS Tel

    Folau can be considered to be inside the frontier of reservation from the general or low skill reservation rate if you like. If you conceptualise the data to dismiss it, then you will never be able to analyse it.

    Jobs like Folaus would tend to raise reservation wages and also shift & pivot the labour supply curve to be backward-bending to some extent as others can consider the possibility of following a tournament like labour market strategy. Thousands of young men in each state won’t work certain jobs and hours because they have the possibility to play footy as a pro and need time to train for it.

  168. Nick

    “There is no place for sexism anywhere in our state and we will be working closely with our road safety partners to ensure this is the case on our roads,” she said.

    Whew, no more ‘mansplaining’ and ‘manspreading’ then ?

  169. egg_

    We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.

    Google translation.

  170. JC

    The poor old Aussie is having some pretty bad hair days. Traded as low as 67.65 last night. Any whiff of a potential problems with China trade crushes the Aussie Dollar.

  171. egg_

    “There is no place for sexism anywhere in our state and we will be working closely with our road safety partners to ensure this is the case on our roads,” she said.

    Show us yer tits!

  172. Herodotus

    “Waiting to see if it dries ok.”
    This advert needs more work, but I applaud the sentiment.

  173. Tel

    Hang on … the “unskilled component of all work” cannot be determined at a market clearing rate because almost all work (even gardeners and dunny cleaners) involves some skill, and most work involves significant skill. The first thing any employer wants to know is what skills you have.

    You could attempt to subtract out the skill component based on some typical learning curve, but individual people don’t learn the same things in the same way, nor do they have aptitude for the same things. There was a zero chance of me ever being LeBron James, or Tiger Woods, even if I had tried to learn those skills.

  174. areff

    Any whiff of a potential problems with China trade crushes the Aussie Dollar.

    Self-interest speaks: wacko the diddlo! Down, baby, go down.

  175. JC

    You could attempt to subtract out the skill component based on some typical learning curve, but individual people don’t learn the same things in the same way, nor do they have aptitude for the same things.

    But there are tolerances and trade offs. Obviously people are not the same in terms of performing duties. Think of the way you dissect candidates aptitude when looking to hire. It’s not a mathematical formula.

  176. egg_

    Ms Pulford said offensive, sexist and obscene slogans “such as the Wicked campervans” should not be allowed in Victoria.

    What about the Newcastle landscaper, “Dirty Girl”?
    Crickets?

  177. JC

    It’s extraordinary, Areff.

    We’re one of the few who didn’t QE and the Australian dollar is heading back to its lows. This is proof that market monetarism works. A large number of pundits on the right were telling us QE would lead to hyperinflation. Meanwhile, the left was telling us that monetary policy wouldn’t work because it would be like pushing on a strong.

  178. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What about the Newcastle landscaper, “Dirty Girl”?

    Calli’s business?

  179. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel
    #3122453, posted on August 3, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    Hang on … the “unskilled component of all work” cannot be determined at a market-clearing rate because almost all work (even gardeners and dunny cleaners) involves some skill, and most work involves significant skill. The first thing any employer wants to know is what skills you have.

    I respect all work but being not retarded is not “a skill”. Neither is being able-bodied and of a sound mind. Nor is merely being literate and numerate. What you are seeing Tel is a buyer’s market which ‘da boomers’ fortunately for them, did not have to put up with. Experience is a good thing but it isn’t necessarily transferable.

  180. Tel

    You can have real wages defined as some measure of W/P or you can make 11 million measures of the wage rate and then divide it by the general price level.

    That’s so Keynesian it’s just not funny.

    Look … if some illegal immigrant wants to pick fruit cash in hand below minimum wage with no paperwork and no tax … then for me personally, as a buyer of fruit who never sells any fruit, my wages automatically go UP in real terms because that guy drives the price of fruit DOWN. He just gave me a pay rise for no effort on my part.

    However if a different tech-visa immigrant works in the software industry and drives down the market rate of my skillset he might kick me out of a job and force me to accept lower wages. That immigrant has cut my pay … but wait, he raised the real wages of everyone who buys software (and that’s a lot of people).

    There is no benefit to society in general. There’s people, and individual gains and losses. That’s it.

  181. Dr Fred Lenin

    When I worked with Full Blood Aborigines many years ago the objective was assimilation and it was slowly working however it seems this wasnt popular with the then soviet loving communists posing as labor party members . This policu[y deprived them. Of a stick to beat the non communists with ,racism ,the new black these days they have absolutely ruined any chance of a united Australia for a long time . Had the policy of that to[ime been pursued two generations ago ,things would have been much better ,and the aboriginals would have been absorbed into the general community . One day we will get a real government which will remove divisiveness and unite our country ,maybe when we abolish career politics and put all public employees on one year contracts ,and bar all lawyere from politics .

  182. Tel

    I respect all work but being not retarded is not “a skill”.

    Try getting a job by walking up and saying, “I’m not retarded!”

    I’m actually a little bit curious whether anyone has given this a go.

  183. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel

    With respect, shut the fuck up.

    “Wages divided by prices is sooo Keynesian”

    It’s Marshallian you doofus.

    “Oh no, Keynes used algebra that Marshall taught as his professor”

    Look. If you weren’t such a lazy git you could look it up on wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_unit

    Keynes’s reasons for eschewing ‘real’ values

    Pleas estop prattling on.

  184. JC

    Look … if some illegal immigrant wants to pick fruit cash in hand below minimum wage with no paperwork and no tax … then for me personally, as a buyer of fruit who never sells any fruit, my wages automatically go UP in real terms because that guy drives the price of fruit DOWN. He just gave me a pay rise for no effort on my part.

    Why assume, you’ll receive the benefit and not the grower? Why assume the grower will pass on the gains in the form of lower prices.

    See the trick you pulled.
    You argued that lower wages in the fruit industry would cascade into lower prices for fruit. However, you didn’t make this assumption in tech? Why not?

    But lets argue, you were able to purchase fruit more cheaply. This means purchasing power has risen . It does not mean your nominal wage is higher. It’s not the same.

  185. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    It is a buyer’s market Tel. You don’t need special skills to do manual labour. If they need a white card and other BS, that is just burdensome regulation and not a “skill”.

  186. JC

    Try getting a job by walking up and saying, “I’m not retarded!”

    You’re doing this be default, by demonstrating just how smart you are compared to anyone else who wants that job.

  187. Tel

    We’re one of the few who didn’t QE and the Australian dollar is heading back to its lows.

    Because the AUD is in the hands of a Krugman disciple who only knows low interest rates.

    A large number of pundits on the right were telling us QE would lead to hyperinflation. Meanwhile, the left was telling us that monetary policy wouldn’t work because it would be like pushing on a strong.

    What did QE policy in the USA actually achieve? The USD is strong now because the Fed has been willing to raise rates, and sure there’s been a tiny drop in rates recently. Powell got himself browbeaten by Trump … but that’s irrelevant in the big picture. The Fed is willing to allow the USD a little bit of room to move but they have proven they will defend it.

    In economic terms the Fed is able to stabilize the value of the dollar, that’s all they can do. They don’t create jobs, they merely avoid the drastic loss of jobs should they lose control. The Fed creates inflation at a measured rate … not hyperinflation, just ordinary inflation.

  188. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Dot calls somebody else a “crazy git”.
    That’s a bit like Nota claiming somebody is wrong based on her understanding of legislation.

  189. Cassie of Sydney

    Here is a very good piece from Quillette on the ultimate misogyny…..aided and abetted by third wave feminazis….

    https://quillette.com/2019/08/01/how-feminism-paved-the-way-for-transgenderism/

  190. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3122471, posted on August 3, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Dot calls somebody else a “crazy git”.

    Tell me more about the Aboriginal uprising that never happened.

  191. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A large number of pundits on the right were telling us QE would lead to hyperinflation

    It lead to deflation in the short run because it crushed output growth.

  192. Tel

    Why assume, you’ll receive the benefit and not the grower? Why assume the grower will pass on the gains in the form of lower prices.

    Because the same guy can work for the next grower.

    You argued that lower wages in the fruit industry would cascade into lower prices for fruit. However, you didn’t make this assumption in tech? Why not?

    I did make exactly that assumption in tech … go back and read what I said. I work in tech, I’m a seller in that particular market. It’s different from my individual perspective. Your individual perspective might be different, and that’s the whole point. There is no “general” perspective.

  193. JC

    Because the AUD is in the hands of a Krugman disciple who only knows low interest rates.

    He may be a Krugster disciple as he handed in his Phd to the Krugster for marking. But the unfortunate thing is that the Krugster was a pushing-on-a-string kind of Keynesian and never believed monetary policy would work. The Krugster was advocating humongous amounts of fiscal spending during the GFC and talked about how easier monetary policy wouldn’t work. This governor has been peddling upping fiscal spending too. However, there could be sensible heads at the RBA dissuading him of this bullshit. He also may realize the Libs aren’t going to follow along.

    Monetarism is from the Friedman right.

  194. Frank

    Try getting a job by walking up and saying, “I’m not retarded!”

    I’m actually a little bit curious whether anyone has given this a go.

    Not sure if this is relevant or not. An acquaintance that worked in the resume writing business told me that putting numerate and literate on your CV was a no no.

  195. Tel

    You’re doing this be default, by demonstrating just how smart you are compared to anyone else who wants that job.

    Necessary … but not sufficient. Every employer wants some demonstrable experience and skills beyond simply not being a retard. There might be a small number of “learn on the job” type situations, but those are rare and not representative of the labour market.

    We are in an era of numerous highly specialized occupations, and heading more in that direction. Perhaps during the Medieval era you could understand a whole nation by counting the number of peasants, knights, priests, merchants and squares of fertile land, but today an economy consists of more different occupations than anyone can get their head around.

  196. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Tell me more about the Aboriginal uprising that never happened.

    Why?
    You didn’t believe me the first time I did.
    Even though it’s still confirmable at the National Library in Canberra.

  197. 1735099

    Virtue signalling in a nutshell

    Define “virtue signalling”.

  198. JC

    What did QE policy in the USA actually achieve?

    The avoidance of a much more serious disaster.

    The USD is strong now because the Fed has been willing to raise rates, and sure there’s been a tiny drop in rates recently.

    The point isn’t that the dollar is strong or weak at the moment. The point is that after the QE in the US, Europe and the Japan, the Australian dollar should have plateaued at a much higher level and then traded around from that point. If the hyperinflationists were right, the Aussie should be around 1.3 to the US Dollar (instead of .6780), Euro/Aud should be .8150 (instead of 1.6330) and the Aussie Yen 172 (instead of 72.50).

    In economic terms the Fed is able to stabilize the value of the dollar, that’s all they can do. They don’t create jobs, they merely avoid the drastic loss of jobs should they lose control. The Fed creates inflation at a measured rate … not hyperinflation, just ordinary inflation.

    Okay, so what’s your point? By the way, the fed can theoretically create any price level it wants.

  199. Tel

    The Krugster was advocating humongous amounts of fiscal spending during the GFC …

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=oyyH

    He got his fiscal spending boost … it happened.

  200. egg_

    Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values. Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory and describes a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious. Wikipedia

  201. egg_

    Refer also “yoghurt weaving”.
    Both UK expressions.

  202. Bruce of Newcastle

    Kangaroo knitting.

  203. JC

    He got his fiscal spending boost … it happened.

    To some extent, but nowhere near the levels he was talking about, thank God. Take another look at that chart. The spending occurred at the height of the big downturn and the stock market was at the lowest points during that abysmal fiscal spending. It was only after the Fed got a fucking grip of the disaster it had created and the government was also creating through its fiscal spending program and began to seriously ease monetary policy (and gaining credibility in the markets, they were serious) that things began to turn.
    All through that time, Krugman argued that the spending was nowhere near enough and that monetary policy wouldn’t work. He was totally wrong.

  204. egg_

    James Bartholomew appeared to have coined the term in an April 18, 2015, article in The (London) Spectator called “Hating the Daily Mail is a substitute for doing good.”Dec 24, 2015
    Virtue signaling and other inane platitudes – The Boston Globe
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/12/24/virtue-signaling-and…/story.html

  205. JC

    It lead to deflation in the short run because it crushed output growth.

    Paying interest on reserves held at the Fed was a huge fucking mistake. That’s what caused monetary policy to at one point act in contractionary way. The Fed then countered this by increasing the level of QE to the point where it swamped the contractionary nature of paying interest on reserves. The Fed fucked up bigly.

  206. Cassie of Sydney

    “Define “virtue signalling”.

    You…fuckwit.

  207. johanna

    Hang on … the “unskilled component of all work” cannot be determined at a market clearing rate because almost all work (even gardeners and dunny cleaners) involves some skill, and most work involves significant skill.

    Tel – not a great example.

    As someone who has employed gardeners for many years, I can assure you that it is a skilled job, not remotely on a par with dunny cleaning. Pruning is a skill, as anyone who doesn’t want plants butchered beyond repair or no flowers next season will know. Weeding properly is also a skill, as in removing as far as possible seeds, runners etc, not to mention not digging out my precious peonies because you don’t know what they are. Grrr. Dividing plants without damaging them requires skill. I could go on. And these skills are not as common as you might think.

    You are right to say that almost every job requires some skill, though. A lot of the market rate depends on how quickly that skill can be learned, either on the job or through training. So, when I had a vacation job on a factory assembly line, I was pretty slow the first day or two, but got up to speed after that. Hence, low wages. Same with cleaning jobs.

    It takes a lot longer to become a decent gardener.

  208. calli

    hypocrisy
    /hɪˈpɒkrɪsi/
    noun
    the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

    There is a manipulative element missing from hypocrisy – the expectation that others will do what you are not prepared to do. And to shame them if they don’t.

    Of course, it all depends on whether one is a signaller or a signallee – one remains totally unaware, the other is all too conscious of the fraud.

  209. calli

    I hope the question wasn’t asked in bad faith.

    That would be terrible.

  210. egg_

    Ms Pulford

    Sounds like a wanker.

  211. Tel

    johanna #3122496, You have proven it … there are no unskilled jobs left in Australia. Those dunny cleaners might mix the wrong chemicals, or forget to wear rubber gloves. Anything might happen … very dangerous!! I’m surprised there isn’t some accredited school selling embroidered certificates.

  212. egg_

    “virtue signalling”

    A form of tokenism.
    Putting solar cells on the roof to save the ‘vironment then driving 500 km/week to work in a 2.4 Tonne light truck.

  213. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Pruning is a skill, as anyone who doesn’t want plants butchered beyond repair or no flowers next season will know.

    Very few people know how to prune citrus properly. I have a friend in horticulture who had to go to Italy for six weeks and learn Italian on the fly to learn about tree nuts and citrus.

    It is also hard getting detailed instructions on the subject in Australia or English at all.

  214. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Very droll, Tel.

    The training racket is really screwing up the labour market.

  215. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    It takes a lot longer to become a decent gardener.

    Good evening Johanna.
    It takes more than just time to make a good gardener, Johanna.
    It requires “something else”.
    I’m not sure what that “something else” is.
    But I know for a fact that I don’t have it.

  216. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Why?
    You didn’t believe me the first time I did.
    Even though it’s still confirmable at the National Library in Canberra.

    The uprising advocated by two activists who’s initials were G.F., and D.W?

  217. old bloke

    feelthebern
    #3122363, posted on August 3, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    Governors-General should be rarely seen & heard of even less.

    Exactly. They are the representative of Her Majesty and they should not make statements regarding social and political matters without her express permission.

  218. Tel

    Paying interest on reserves held at the Fed was a huge fucking mistake. That’s what caused monetary policy to at one point act in contractionary way.

    A mistake that astoundingly happened to be beneficial to their banking buddies who now get a regular income stream. OH Gosh!

    They get more interest on their reserves than I get on my bank account, and even higher than the standard term deposit rates in Australia.

  219. egg_

    Those dunny cleaners might mix the wrong chemicals

    I prefer to leave caustic soda in the bowl, to remove all stains.

  220. Steve trickler

    She writes her own music for a piano exam, BK pays compliment. Good on him. That look on her face when the music gets played back. Her music, is brilliant.



  221. 1735099

    Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values. Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory and describes a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious.

    If that’s what it means, the following activity can accurately be described as “virtue signalling” –
    Attending any Catholic mass or Protestant service.
    Wearing medals in an ANZAC day march.
    Wearing a yarmulke.
    And Donald Trump, based on that definition, is the ultimate virtue-signaler.
    He very conspicuously expresses his nationalist and protectionist moral stance using daily tweets.
    He promotes it with the slogan “Make America Great Again” used to target and shame those who aren’t seen to support his vision of what the US used to be (in the days before “virtue signalling” became a thing).
    The irony – it burns…..

  222. Tel

    The training racket is really screwing up the labour market.

    That wouldn’t be possible if it was a marked dominated by unskilled labour!

  223. JC

    Tel

    You’re starting to sound a little like Trades Hall. Come on, you’re better than that.

  224. 1735099

    Governors-General should be rarely seen & heard of even less.

    Used to be the case.
    It all changed on 11 November 1975

  225. Chris

    It all changed on 11 November 1975

    ‘And thank f*** for that!’, said a large majority of Australians with their VOTES.

  226. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I don’t think so Tel.

    The chronically unemployed ought to be in work if they have no means.

    Wage regulation, useless certification, high on costs (including taxes) and hiring rules that create perverse incentives not to employ people at all aren’t exactly a good reason for the training racket, let alone unions and the like maximising their wage bill at the expense of others being employed at all.

  227. JC

    Caroline Overington is an idiot at times.

    Creighton says the first winner in 2020 will be the media.

    “The New York Times, actually all media organisations, have bene­fited from the Trump presidency through subscriptions. There’s been a real shift throughout the world toward trusted sources of media. People aren’t trusting mainstream media less. If you look at the figures, they must be trusting it more, at least in aggregate, because subscriptions are going up everywhere. And that’s Trump.”

    Caroline, you can have both an increase in NYTimes subscriptions and growing huge distrust of the MSM at the same time. It’s not binary. Get back in the kitchen and think a little harder if possible.

  228. calli

    Didn’t read my definition then. I’m shocked, I tells ya!

    On gardening, the hinge in my back must need oiling. Out in the glorious sunshine this afternoon pulling out sow thistle.

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a woman in possession of a good garden must find, upon returning from vacation, that the weeds have grown ten times faster than the ornamentals.

    And…she is definitely in need of a weed pulling apprentice.

  229. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Evening, Zulu.

    All best left until the “Inside News” is re-released and updated later this year (hopefully).

  230. Chris

    And…she is definitely in need of a weed pulling apprentice.

    Sorry. Only got weed smoking apprentices.

  231. Rockdoctor

    Never heard of this Garma festival (Had to google), despite it being allegedly premier or something. Being at Gove/Nhulunbuy it is likely to be a hoot, not… Especially after Alcoa closed the only source of employment in the area. Secondly WTF is a GG doing at a Festival that isn’t even prominent to make News.com’s or other commercial media pages unless yes there is a definite move on in Canberra to drive this voice rubbish.

    As for Pearson, he actually makes sense sometimes but like all the big men up this way don’t get between him & a pot of money which is what I interpret his bit today as seeing a seriously big pot on offer…

    Meh let them have their referendum, earlier the better. I reckon it will get smashed and if they hold it again in 20 years the result won’t be any different as the demographics of the population will have changed to people who couldn’t care less about the so called first peoples.

  232. calli

    Had plenty of those, Chris.

  233. Bruce of Newcastle

    Putting solar cells on the roof to save the ‘vironment then driving 500 km/week to work in a 2.4 Tonne light truck.

    I was amused by the article about GM shutting a plant:
    GM Begins Closing 78-Year-Old Michigan Plant, Laying Off 335 American Workers (30 July)
    Sad for the guys, but the photo said absolutely everything.
    General Motors Gets Greener With 900 KW Solar Array At Michigan Plant (2016)
    GWGB.

  234. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Sorry. Only got weed smoking apprentices.

    Would you like me to prepare a training course and competency assessment for that?
    I’m qualified to do both.

  235. egg_

    Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values. Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory and describes a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious.

    Wikified.
    Come in, spinner.

  236. Chris

    I’m qualified to do both.

    Pulling AND smoking? Onyer!

  237. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3122524, posted on August 3, 2019 at 5:56 pm
    Caroline Overington is an idiot at times.”

    Yep..although Caroline can write well. Her Oz pieces on the William Tyrrell disappearance are very good. She has covered the inquest….must be very heard to both sit through that and then write about it.

  238. egg_

    1735099
    #3122516, posted on August 3, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    TDS in Ward 5, Matron.

  239. johanna

    Peter, some people do seem to have ‘black thumbs’ – luckily I am not one of them. But the arthritis means that I have had to employ people to do a lot of the work for the last several years.

    My pot plants never die, and my garden plants almost never (less than 10 in living memory.)

    I have had to euthanase some, though. Hate doing it.

    Calli, I had my side passage completely cleared of weeds in April, and even though it has been typically cold since then, the bloody dandelions and milkweed and the rest of the benighted tribe are shooting merrily up, while the proper plants have been in hibernation. I am thinking of putting down weed mats and covering them with bark chips.

    Don’t get me started about the onion weed, which is the untreatable African disease of the plant world.

  240. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Pulling AND smoking? Onyer!

    I’m ambidextrous.

  241. calli

    It’s an illness, egg_.

    My sister in law today maintained that all the ills of today can be tracked back to the Crusades. This is an (otherwise) intelligent woman, highly educated and holding directorial positions in pharma companies.

  242. egg_

    Wikification – to give a Leftard bias.
    Refer 1735099.

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