Open Forum: August 3, 2019

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  1. twostix

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    See the end game?

    They’re not even hiding it. White fake abos (all left wing, surprise!) will have the right to vote for people that have power over the everyman in parliament and the everyman won’t.

    We are going to absolutely smash you idiots with this, you know. You’re giving us the rope to hang you with.

  2. JC

    Trump plays the stock market and the China trade issues like the banjo. Somehow, the violin and trumpster don’t go.

    The stock market makes new highs and he gets tough on China. When stocks get a hiding he goes soft. He’s very focused on the stock market, which is a good thing.

  3. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Johanna,

    I don’t have “black thumbs”.
    I have “black hands”. And arms and feet as well.
    About the only thing I’m even worse at is fishing.
    Lord knows I’ve tried at both all my life. Without success.

    Sigh.

  4. calli

    Perhaps, if you did Trump’s genealogy, you would come up with a Crusader!

    Explains everything.

    Rowe could do a cartoon. With a naked horse.

  5. Herodotus

    Gharma Festival – Bunngul In The Jungle.
    (h/t Jethro Tull)

  6. Geriatric Mayfly

    ABC news radio crossing to their indigenous affairs indigenous correspondent at Garma for hourly updates.

    Does this mean that the corroboree of indolence gathered around the Birthing Trees on the Western Highway is being ignored? Perhaps the ABC should install a live webcam in one of the antenatal branches to save us from being poorly informed on this vital struggle.

  7. dover_beach

    My sister in law today maintained that all the ills of today can be tracked back to the Crusades.

    Funny how she thinks it begins with the Crusades and not with say the Arab invasion of the Levant and North Africa, or any other historical series of events. It probably tells you a lot about her assumptions.

  8. egg_

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    They represent white cvnts, too?
    I’ll be blowed!

  9. JC

    I’ve had Norwegian salmon and I’d say it’s far superior tasting to ours – primarily because it just doesn’t taste as rich as ours. Its really good stuff and some places sell it here too.

    Mostly a silly piece in Barrons, but it sounds like there’s decent growth in this firm.

    As America fixates on the Discovery Channel’s annual Shark Week extravaganza, Barron’s offers its own, less stressful, sea tale: Norwegian salmon farmer Mowi, a play on sustainable protein and healthy living.

    U.S. investors may not be familiar with the Norwegian fishing industry, but salmon there is a big business. Mowi (ticker: MOWI.Norway)—formerly known as Marine Harvest —is worth more than $6 billion, more than publicly traded chicken processor Sanderson Farms (SAFM) and almost as much as Pilgrim’s Pride (PPC). As with chicken, demand for salmon is growing, in part because of its sustainability. Chickens turn about two pounds of feed into a pound of protein, beating pigs or cows. Fish do even better—water carries their body weight—converting nearly a pound of feed into a pound of protein.

    Feed conversion matters. A huge portion of the world’s grain products feed livestock, which is why Beyond Meat (BYND) thinks it can affect climate change by cutting out the “animal factory” from protein production and replacing it with plants.

    Today, salmon has lots of upside, even though it is a premium product. The world consumes some 300 million metric tons of land-based animal protein annually. The salmon industry produces two million tons. Wholesale salmon sells for $3 a pound, and wholesale chickens for about $1 a pound. And salmon’s growth looks reasonably priced. Mowi shares trade for 14 times estimated 2020 earnings, below 16 times for other S&P 500 food stocks. Not bad for a company whose sales have grown by almost 8% a year on average for the past three years.

  10. egg_

    There is something weird about people who fail to understand that indigenous politicians, elected to parliament, represent all the constituents in their electorates, and not only those who are indigenous.

    Some Tim Tam action going down?

  11. JC

    And on the subject of meat. Wow. Just wow.

    Plant-based burger manufacturers say their products are better for the planet than beef. Whether they are better for consumers’ health is a different question.

    Debate over the nutritional merits of patties made from soy, peas, coconut and other plants is growing as meatless products stampede into tens of thousands of supermarkets and restaurants, and their manufacturers ramp up production.

    Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods say their plant-based products contain less cholesterol and saturated fats than other meats.
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    Some nutritionists point out that they contain almost as many calories and more sodium than beef and that they are highly processed.

    “People assume that because it’s plant-based, it’s instantly healthy food,” said Desiree Nielsen, a dietitian who advises clients on eating and hosts a vegetarian cooking show on Amazon Prime. “That’s clearly not the case.”

    Beyond’s chief executive, Ethan Brown, said his company’s products were a clear nutritional improvement on beef. “Are we a lot better, from a health perspective? Absolutely,” he said.

    Beyond’s shares have rocketed nearly eightfold since the company’s May initial public offering, putting the company’s current value at $US11.8 billion ($17.3bn). Beyond this week conducted a sale of 3.25 million shares at $US160 each. In May Impossible raised $US300m in funding from private investors, valuing the company at $US2bn.

  12. calli

    Yes, Dover.

    But there’s no arguing with the smugnorant. But I did laugh.

  13. Tel

    All through that time, Krugman argued that the spending was nowhere near enough and that monetary policy wouldn’t work. He was totally wrong.

    He didn’t even get the direction of change correct.

    https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/stimulus-arithmetic-wonkish-but-important

    Finally, compare this with the economic outlook. “Full employment” clearly means an unemployment rate near 5 — the CBO says 5.2 for the NAIRU, which seems high to me. Unemployment is currently about 7 percent, and heading much higher; Obama himself says that absent stimulus it could go into double digits. Suppose that we’re looking at an economy that, absent stimulus, would have an average unemployment rate of 9 percent over the next two years; this plan would cut that to 7.3 percent, which would be a help but could easily be spun by critics as a failure.

    The official unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 with the stimulus spending, not only higher than Krugman’s prediction of 7.3% but also higher than his prediction of what would have happened without ANY stimulus of 9%. By Krugman’s own estimates they would have been better off doing nothing at all.

  14. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Can somebody suggest a good movie to watch for me tonight.
    Post 1990, action, with a bit of comedy would be ideal.

  15. egg_

    On 7 September 2013 Peris became Australia’s first Indigenous woman elected to federal parliament.[8] Peris was sworn into parliament on 12 November, and noted the apology to the stolen generation in her maiden speech.[9][10]

    Peris announced on 24 May 2016 that she would not nominate to re-contest her Senate seat at the 2016 federal election.

    Done a lot for them white cvnts, eh?

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A MONSTER 5m plus croc has snuck up on a man pruning trees on his block, the gardener’s life seemingly saved only by the few strips of wire comprising his back fence
    JASON WALLS, Monster ancient predator reporter, NT News

    The perils of pruning in the NT.

    Hope Jason gets danger money. His is the toughest job in town, trying to stir some tired old crocs into action on a daily basis so he has something to report. Can’t let the NT News down on its specialty*. And he has to keep his job. Best to be camera-ready too.

    * wonder how many amazing attacks are due to hoping to make the NT News, or are Northern Territorians really and truly just very careless around crocs?

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As for Pearson, he actually makes sense sometimes but like all the big men up this way don’t get between him & a pot of money which is what I interpret his bit today as seeing a seriously big pot on offer…

    I’ll bet good money that Noel Pearson sees himself as part of the “voice.”

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    Norwegian salmon farmer Mowi, a play on sustainable protein and healthy living.

    LOL. Aquaculture people have been trying to eliminate fish meal for ages without success. So he’s feeding his fish with other fish, mainly less attractive species that Gaia-nuking Norwegian fishing trawlers catch.

  19. Tel

    Plant-based burger manufacturers say their products are better for the planet than beef. Whether they are better for consumers’ health is a different question.

    The beef industry already produces plant based burgers … with a cow as an intermediate step.

    Sorry, my bad, not a cow … a cluster of cells walking around eating grass.

  20. calli

    Post 1990, action, with a bit of comedy would be ideal.

    Gardening and crocodiles.

    Has to be “Lake Placid”.

  21. JC

    The beef industry already produces plant based burgers … with a cow as an intermediate step.

    Sorry, my bad, not a cow … a cluster of cells walking around eating grass.

    Who cares, that freaking stock is up 8 times since its IPA. I recall when it issued and thought it was a loser. 8 times up!

  22. JC

    Bruce

    This is what the website says.

    What Do Norwegian Salmon Eat?

    Norwegian Salmon enjoy a sustainable, all-natural diet composed of 70 percent plant-based ingredients and 30 percent marine raw materials.

    https://seafoodfromnorway.us/origin/farmed-salmon-faqs/what-do-norwegian-salmon-eat/

  23. Tel

    Trump plays the stock market and the China trade issues like the banjo. Somehow, the violin and trumpster don’t go.

    Wait until he starts playing the sad trombone.

  24. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Has to be “Lake Placid”.

    1999 or 2007 version, Calli?

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    Can somebody suggest a good movie to watch for me tonight.

    WALL-E. Here’s why…

    Robotic cockroach survives being stepped on (2 Aug)

    A team at the University of California, Berkeley have designed a robot that’s made out of a material known as polyvinylidene fluoride (PVDF) and is the size of a postage stamp. … It’s also almost as hardy as a real cockroach, as the researchers repeatedly applied pressure to it by stepping on it.

    If you’ve seen that movie you know what I’m talking about. If you haven’t seen that movie it’s very very good.

  26. calli

    Good grief. There’s a sequel? 🤣

  27. calli

    Or there’s this in the Die Hard series. Always delivers.

  28. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Good grief. There’s a sequel?

    Dunno if it’s a sequel, Calli.
    Looks like a remake.
    The earlier version gets a much higher rating.

  29. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    WALL-E. Here’s why…

    Excellent movie Bruce.
    But I’ve seen it.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    What Do Norwegian Salmon Eat?

    Norwegian Salmon enjoy a sustainable, all-natural diet composed of 70 percent plant-based ingredients and 30 percent marine raw materials.

    LOLOLOL. I love this stuff, as I commented on the last thread about class-enemy uranium miners going the full euphemism. Ain’t going to work virtue-signalling wokester fish guys.

  31. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Seen all the “Die Hard” movies many times, Calli.
    But thanks.

  32. Roger

    My sister in law today maintained that all the ills of today can be tracked back to the Crusades. This is an (otherwise) intelligent woman, highly educated and holding directorial positions in pharma companies.

    Highly educated?

    I think highly credentialed might be more accurate, calli.

  33. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Dinner is ready to be served.
    “lake Placid” 1999 version it is.

  34. Geriatric Mayfly

    What Do Norwegian Salmon Eat?

    And it follows where do caged Norwegian salmon shit? All over the sea floor beneath apparently, creating biological deserts.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    A most enjoyable day at the crikkit.

    First:

    ‘I’ll be blowed’

    PHRASING.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ok, Battlestar Galactica then. The luminous Lt. Starbuck resurfaced last week:

    Former ‘Battlestar Galactica’ star Katee Sackoff explains why she waited a decade to take on sci-fi again (29 July)

    It’s taken 10 years for Katee Sackoff to return to space.

    The 39-year-old star previously made her mark in Hollywood as Captain Kara “Starbuck” Thrace in the hit sci-fi series “Battlestar Galactica,” which aired from 2004 to 2009. Now, the actress is returning to the great beyond with Netflix’s streaming show “Another Life.”

    In the new series, Sackoff plays astronaut Niko Breckinridge, who is determined to find alien intelligence and faces imaginable danger while on a mission that could put her quest to return home in jeopardy.

    Sackoff spoke to Fox News about her past with “Battlestar Galactica,” why sci-fi keeps luring her in and what it was really like working with her co-star Selma Blair.

    No idea what the new series is like, or if it’s even out yet. But the young Ms Sackoff was incandescent and the today Ms Sackoff is just fine too.

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tonight we will be watching the final three episodes of ‘The Last Czar’ on Netflix. We watched the first three last night. I am ODing on it because I have to ensure that a young man for whom I have had many responsible years completes his Year 11 history assignments next week, because he is on notice now by the headmaster. I am a good fast tutor when I get going. Seems he has read nothing yet. This series concentrates on the role of Rasputin during the lead up to the Russian Revolution, and luckily his assignment is on just this. It is part interpretive documentary with commentary, and part drama. Rasputin was running, says one of the historians, something of sex club amongst the women of the Russian aristocracy, the drama showing somewhat salaciously how effective was a guru’s hand in the right place. My sixteen year old may find it hard to fathom the depths of ‘hysteria’ amongst the ladies of the time, although it is key to comprehending his quick rise from outer Siberia to fame as a ‘spiritual’ healer via an aristocratic network of female acolytes. We see that he finally draws into his net (platonically but emotionally) both Czarina Alexandra and Nicholas the Czar, parents desperate to find a cure for their son Alexei’s haemophilia.

    Nicholas, meanwhile, was making some very bad decisions about autocracy. Port Arthur and more.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Gardening.

    I am an awesome gardener. I’ve trained my lawn, front and back to go dormant (not dead, despite appearances) between April and October each year. Likewise with the plant etc out the back, which saves me six months of swearing and carting shit to the tip six times a weekend for six months of the year.

    I have also worked out that you can prune bouganvilleas in pots with anything up to and probably including a lawnmower and they still grow.

    It is an art and a science.

  39. Roger

    Marise Payne has indirectly chastised chastised a Chinese diplomat who described Chinese national students who attacked pro-Hong Kong protesters at the University of QLD as patriots, reminding all foreign diplomats that in Australia free speech and the right to demonstrate were protected in law.

    Perhaps she should have reminded university administrators as well.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    KD, I tell you, it might be hard to keep a straight face discussing with this lad ‘the rise of Rasputin’.

    *Phrasing

  41. Geriatric Mayfly

    Rasputin was running, says one of the historians, something of sex club amongst the women of the Russian aristocracy, the drama showing somewhat salaciously how effective was a guru’s hand in the right place. My sixteen year old may find it hard to fathom the depths of ‘hysteria’ amongst the ladies of the time,

    If they perchance show his bottled cock, even sweet youth will understand.

  42. Cassie of Sydney

    Hi Lizzie, I watched the series a few weeks ago…not bad….not great. I thought that the character portrayals of Nicholas, Alexandra and Rasputin were pretty good…the actor playing Nicholas perfectly captured Nicholas’ torpor……Nicholas was a nice, decent man….but an utterly hopeless and catastrophic ruler…..he would have made a good bank manager…and that’s it.

    As for Rasputin….the portrayal was good. I do think that Rasputin had a “special gift”…he was both good and bad….anyway I enjoyed the series.

  43. Knuckle Dragger

    Crocodiles.

    You cannot see a 4.5m or bigger croc under three inches of creek, river or lagoon water. They will come at you literally (I know) without warning, and then it’s sayonara. If old mate in the local rag (haven’t read it yet) was really saved by three or four strands of wire then he’s one of dozens of mighty lucky punters for every death.

    Unless the thing bites your hand off clean, Captain Hook-style an attack is unsurvivable.

    There are some locals who insist on getting lucky and swimming in waterways etc on the strength of ‘I’ve lived here for 30 years and I know crocs’, even though they’re one of the categories of moron that get eaten. The others are blackfella kids in rural and remote areas and idiot tourists, both foreign and domestic who just don’t realise they’re there, or if they do how fast they can move.

    They are the ultimate predator, evidenced by them not needing to adapt or evolve for over 200 million years.

    Unless it’s a swimming pool, don’t go swimming. Easy peasy Japanesey.

  44. Frank

    Can somebody suggest a good movie to watch for me tonight.
    Post 1990, action, with a bit of comedy would be ideal.

    Withnail and I. It has action, of a sort. And comedy. Pathos too.

  45. egg_

    Plant-based burger manufacturers

    Why replicate a meat pattie with a vegetable?
    Can’t make something original?
    Virtue signalling?

  46. Roger:

    Marise Payne has indirectly chastised chastised a Chinese diplomat who described Chinese national students who attacked pro-Hong Kong protesters at the University of QLD as patriots, reminding all foreign diplomats that in Australia free speech and the right to demonstrate were protected in law.

    Marise needs to ask this particular diplomat – who by talking outside his remit is potentially creating a diplomatic incident – just who these ‘Patriots’ are. And then booking them on the next flight home, where they will obviously feel much more comfortable.

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Rasputin’s ultimate legacy, Lizzie, is that Boney M composed a song about him.

    This is one of my life goals also.

    Another is to eat a Chiko Roll without the arse falling out of it.

  48. Roger

    I do think that Rasputin had a “special gift”…he was both good and bad….anyway I enjoyed the series.

    The day after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, Rasputin was himself wounded in an assassination attempt in Siberia, where he was holidaying with his family.

    Aware of the news, but physically unable to return to St. Petersburg to exert his influence to the full, he sent a telegram to Tsar Nicholas pleading with him to ignore his advisers and refuse to mobilise Russian troops, otherwise a “terrible storm” would engulf Russia.

    Nicholas ignored the telegram.

  49. Top Ender

    Knuckles speaks true about crocs.

    We had a fatality only two kilometres from our place two years ago. Young girls going swimming where they shouldn’t.

    Bloody horrible things for which people used to carry a heavy revolver when in the bush. Now they know they needn’t fear humans any more they have become more aggressive.

    Meanwhile the NT News is happy. There are three things, all starting with C, which they prefer for their front page: Cyclones, Crocodiles, and Crime.

  50. Roger

    Marise needs to ask this particular diplomat…

    Baby steps, Winston, baby steps.

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Withnail and I.

    I liked Warlock, which has Richard E. Grant as the hero. 1989. Seems to be a forgotten movie as I’ve never seen it come up on FTA.

  52. calli

    Seen all the “Die Hard” movies many times,

    Haven’t we all?

    But I do love the title.

    And I’m rather fond of that pug nosed Willis.

  53. calli

    Dinner is ready to be served.
    “lake Placid” 1999 version it is.

    Tee hee. With extra SCUBA.

  54. Cassie of Sydney

    “Roger
    #3122599, posted on August 3, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    Yep and that telegram is an historical fact…..there was also another prediction made by Rasputin…in a letter written to Alexandra in late 1916, he predicted that his own murder would take place before New Year’s Day 1917. He also told Alexandra that if he was killed by peasants then her family would flourish but if he was killed by Romanovs and princes then she and all her family would die within two years.

    Rasputin is a complicated figure….both good and bad.

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    The Last Boy Scout. Willis and Wayans.

    ‘The sky is blue,
    Water’s wet,
    Women have secrets,
    Who gives a fuck.’

    Timeless.

  56. bespoke

    Another is to eat a Chiko Roll without the arse falling out of it.

    If that ever happens you need to pass on such knowledge to the next generation, KD.

  57. calli

    I think highly credentialed might be more accurate, calli.

    Went to the same school as me, then a traineeship. Then an MBA.

    Exactly the same upbringing as The Beloved and me.

    Something happened along the way. Who knows?

    On movies, I’m enjoying the lesbian scene in First Wives’ Club.

  58. Top Ender

    For anyone with an Oz sub, here’s the link to the GG article – should you wish to comment about vice-regal officials playing politics.

  59. Siltstone

    Rockdoctor
    #3122528, posted on August 3, 2019 at 6:00 pm
    Never heard of this Garma festival (Had to google), despite it being allegedly premier or something. Being at Gove/Nhulunbuy it is likely to be a hoot, not… Especially after Alcoa closed the only source of employment in the area. Secondly WTF is a GG doing at a Festival that isn’t even prominent to make News.com’s or other commercial media pages unless yes there is a definite move on in Canberra to drive this voice rubbish.

    Garma is a bit like “Davos for Indigenous”. The great and good get together in Arnhem Land when it is not too hot and watch dancers in colouful loincloths and discuss what is good for the rest of us. And I see the GG has decided to join in and pontificate about referendums. It was Rio Tinto Alcan that closed the Gove alumina refinery, not Alcoa. Bauxite mining continues. But hardy any local Yulngu worked in these places anyway, it was just not the way they liked to live. Nevertheless, there is a large cash stockpile of royalties that big men benefit from. The Rio Tinto and BHP’s of the world will do anything the big indigenous men (and Marcia Langton) tell them to (e.g support referendums) since they believe its the way to get access to country to explore and mine, and the way to prevent a black-green anti-mining alliance. The don’t give a hoot about whether this is actually good for Australians (black or white).

  60. Muddy

    John Constantine mentioned the memoir Hillbilly Elegy

    Yes, I’d recommend it as a read. It’s not a victim book though, so I wasn’t sure what to make of it in the end. Which is weird. Too much skooling, not enuff edjamahkayshun.

  61. Tel

    calli #3122535, If anyone doubts me, consult another gardener.

    Hmmmm … I might float my stocks for a new gardening robot start-up.

    To save the planet!!

  62. Robber Baron

    Cassie. The people l know that voted yes for homo marriage feel they were not appreciated and believe that the left keep pushing their agenda, never stopping. They won’t be so generous next time. They want to make a statement. There will be no better statement than keeping their views silent and giving the left a massively painful kick in the arse on referendum day.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For anyone with an Oz sub, here’s the link to the GG article – should you wish to comment about vice-regal officials playing politics.

    Seems that many people just don’t understand Aboriginal culture….

  64. Cassie of Sydney

    “Robber Baron
    #3122617, posted on August 3, 2019 at 7:55 pm”

    I hope you’re right Robber Baron.

  65. Muddy

    Cape York leader Noel Pearson says the truth is out about the just movement for a First Nations voice in the constitution and now only lies can defeat it.

    Now that is fine positioning.
    I don’t agree with it, but that’s how you play the game.

  66. Shy Ted

    Peter mv, The Big Blue just after 10 on SBS 32. Beautiful fillum.

  67. Shy Ted

    Monster feet slippers on special at BigW. Marked down to $10, went through the scanner at $5. Don’t think I’ve ever had a better day.

  68. calli

    Gorgeous, Ted. And so…you!

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender, I can highly recommend the Kershaw title “24 Hours at Balaclava.” Good reading, indeed.

  70. Mother Lode

    The people l know that voted yes for homo marriage feel they were not appreciated and believe that the left keep pushing their agenda, never stopping.

    Frankly it is their fault. They imagined they had some compact with the left, and that the left has broken faith.

    The left will be deceptive about their case, perhaps saying ‘We only want… (Gay marriage, an Aboriginal voice etc)’ but they never make a deal that binds them.

    Conservative’s think in terms of cooperation, compromise, agreement – but that is their mistake., not the perfidy of the left.

    The left always take as extreme a position as they can. When the right ‘compromises’ they (the right) move left – to the middle ground. And in the next iteration there is a new middle ground to the eft of where it was last time.

    They are indefatigable – and why not, it has always worked before.

  71. Eyrie

    Well, well seems Airbus has its own issues as the result of the physically larger engines on the NEO models like Boeing on the 737 MAX.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a320neo-also-potentially-vulnerable-to-pitch-up-scen-460046/

  72. Mother Lode

    They are indefatigable – and why not, it has always worked before.

    Or, more correctly, we have always let them do it before.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    After wandering around wikis I’ve decided on Blade Runner 2049 on 9Go at 8:51pm.
    I haven’t heard good things about it but I always like stuff Harrison Ford is in, nutter though he is in real life, and my delving found that one of the characters is played by Robin Wright, who was rather good early on in Wonder Woman until she died heroically. Any excuse.

  74. old bloke

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3122593, posted on August 3, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    As for Rasputin….the portrayal was good. I do think that Rasputin had a “special gift”…he was both good and bad….anyway I enjoyed the series.

    Rasputin was murdered by Prince Felix Yusupov, who ended up in London amongst the Russian emigre population following the revolution. He is known to have stated that he deeply regretted killing Rasputin as he came to believe that Rasputin was the only person who could have saved Russia.

  75. dover_beach

    The people l know that voted yes for homo marriage feel they were not appreciated and believe that the left keep pushing their agenda, never stopping.

    Why would politicized homosexuality stop after a victory? The poor dears feel used hey? Maybe next time they should consider the issue on its merits.

  76. Geriatric Mayfly

    Rasputin was murdered by Prince Felix Yusupov, who ended up in London

    Alleged to be wealthier than the Romanovs. Lucky boy made it to England. The Royals were denied entry, and remained instead as guests in Yekaterinburg.

  77. Mitch M.

    … they should consider the issue on its merits.

    O ye of great faith. That’s not going happen. It’s about the feelz not the thinks.

    BTW, that article you put up on brain death – too long and tedious for me to read but I hope he mentioned the autopsy cases of diagnosed brain death where no detectable brain injury was found? This isn’t anecdotal, I checked, it is in the literature.

  78. mh

    Welcome back

    A$AP Rocky lands in Los Angeles after release from Swedish jail

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/aap-rocky-lands-in-los-angeles

  79. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell Bruce. The criggit’s on.

    And here I was thinking you were a man of style and taste.

  80. egg_

    Cape York leader Noel Pearson says the truth is out about the just movement for a First Nations voice in the constitution and now only lies can defeat it.

    Liar.

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent work in Quadrant Interwebs by Bill Martin on the Mueller clownshow.

    A five minute read, and worth every second. Concise, and salient points very well made.

  82. Bruce of Newcastle

    And here I was thinking you were a man of style and taste.

    I saw Lakshman and Tendulkar take Lee for 200 runs at the SCG over three days.
    I’ve put a batsman in hospital.
    Cricket ain’t what it used to be.
    Nor am I.

  83. Top Ender

    For blokes – how to get out of going shopping:

    A vague vandal who couldn’t remember repeatedly ‘keying’ strangers’ cars in a serial scratching spree has been placed on a good behaviour bond.

    But John Wood, 73, must pay back nearly $8000 in compensation to the owners of the seven duco-damaged vehicles he attacked.

    And he has also been banned from attending Rosebud Plaza without his wife in tow.

    Wood pleaded guilty at Dromana Magistrates’ Court to seven criminal damage charges on Thursday.

    The court heard the Rosebud retiree couldn’t explain why he vandalised six vehicles in the Plaza car park and one in the neighbouring Aldi area last year.

  84. Ellie

    Dover, you’re a homophobe.
    Take me to church

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3122625, posted on August 3, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Thanks ML…you have completely nailed why those on the right have failed so abysmally in the culture wars over the last thirty to forty years…the right have always allowed the left to dictate the terms of the debate….the right have always accepted and wanted to believe the lies of the left because they have always wanted to be seen as moral, as nice, as tolerant, as decent, as principled…yada yada yada. We recently witnessed how the left operate when they control the narrative, when they control the debate….look at their behaviour during the SSM marriage debate…actually let me rephrase that…it wasn’t a debate….it was a screaming, smearing, sneering match by progressives and others on the left towards anyone who might disagree with them and those same progressives and leftists were aided and abetted by piss weak spineless Liberals and others on the right. I mean look at our conservatives, Liberals or anyone on the centre or the centre right…always behaving with impeccable manners, always being decent…..and where has it gotten them….

    Tony Abbott…..who should have thrown the muck back at Steggall and GetUp…I mean if you’re going to go down you may as well go down with a bang…have the police found and charged the people who put up those repugnant posters of Abbott in Warringah prior to the election? Nope

    Andrew Bolt…attacked and punched up in the street and whadda you know…those perpetrators still roam free because Victoria’s finest are yet to charge anyone..primarily because they can’t be bothered charging anyone. Punching a conservative doesn’t rate……after all, it’s a good laugh. Bolt was defamed again last week by the serial smearer Marcia Langton and the ABC…will he do what he should do and get the lawyers onto the ABC and Langton…nope…because he always wants to be seen as nice.

    And now to George Pell…a man who, probably more than anyone in this country (save perhaps Pauline Hanson), has borne the brunt of the utterly visceral unhinged hatred of the left for twenty five years. Why? Because Pell was a conservative who never baulked or flinched at saying things that ran contrary to the left’s pernicious evil agenda. But Pell should have, a decade ago, gotten lawyers to go after the ABC, to go after that evil, evil creature called David Marr, to go after Fairfax, to go after Nine. Instead Pell turned the other cheek…and the price George Pell has paid…..he, an innocent man, languishes in prison.

    “They are indefatigable – and why not, it has always worked before.

    Well yes..only because the right has allowed them to be indefatigable.

  86. dover_beach

    BTW, that article you put up on brain death – too long and tedious for me to read but I hope he mentioned the autopsy cases of diagnosed brain death where no detectable brain injury was found?

    I can’t recall but he did mention the following case as an empirical objection to the brain as integrator thesis:

    a boy diagnosed as brain dead from meningitis at the age of four lived another twenty years at home on a ventilator. Autopsy revealed brain destruction with, as Miller and Truog put it, ‘an entirely calcified brain, with no neural elements visible either grossly or microscopically’ [14, p. 64].21

  87. dover_beach

    Dover, you’re a homophobe.
    Take me to church

    Are you being serious?

  88. Ellie

    Should the State regulate heterosexual unions? Of course it shouldn’t, except to register contracts and arbitrate property disputes in contested divorces.

    It’s perfectly reasonable to have voted for gay marriage and still be riled by other aspects of the agenda; gender fluidity for instance.

    Honestly, the way people carry on about a little sodomy is quite incompressible.

  89. mh

    Honestly, the way people carry on about a little sodomy is quite incompressible.

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    “Rasputin was murdered by Prince Felix Yusupov, who ended up in London”

    And the Grand Duke Dmitri..who was Nicholas’ first cousin….so Rasputin’s prediction was correct.

  91. cohenite

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #3122628, posted on August 3, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    After wandering around wikis I’ve decided on Blade Runner 2049 on 9Go at 8:51pm.

    I’d be interested in your opinion. I have watched it a few times. My opinion varies. Sometimes I think it is better than the first (the director’s cut without the voice-over) and other times because the basic concept – man-made humans being able to reproduce – is a S-F cliché not as good; but 49 is done with such panache and style I think overall it is as least as good as the first which I think is top 10 best S-F.

  92. Knuckle Dragger

    Nah-iiiiice, GARRY!!!

    Two in an over!

  93. dover_beach

    Should the State regulate heterosexual unions? Of course it shouldn’t, except to register contracts and arbitrate property disputes in contested divorces.

    That looks like a ‘no but yes’ to me, and as soon as you give the term marriage any substance any such regulation can extend beyond registration and settling disputes.

    It’s perfectly reasonable to have voted for gay marriage and still be riled by other aspects of the agenda; gender fluidity for instance.

    Actually, it isn’t. People that think empowering the state to arbitrarily redefine marriage could quarantine the state from further doing so in relation to gender are learning by the day that this was a foolish hope. All one had to do was take politicized homosexuality at its word. They weren’t keeping their cards hidden.

  94. mh

    England collapse

    3 wickets in 11 balls

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    Another! Eight down. Lead by 16….

  96. P

    Ellie,
    you may see it as you wish but it would be better for all here if you could also see things from the point of view of others and their beliefs.
    Many here, including myself, believe marriage is a sacrament.

  97. Steve trickler

    Not tonight, JC.



  98. egg_

    A guitar lesson extraordinaire

  99. Ellie

    That looks like a ‘no but yes’ to me’ 

    It looks like exactly what it says: the state shouldn’t be involved in relationships, hetero or homo, except where property is concerned.

    And while I’m at it, if three people wish to ‘marry’, good on ’em.

  100. egg_

    Bolt was defamed again last week by the serial smearer Marcia Langton

    Was she Aping Goodes?

  101. jupes

    It’s perfectly reasonable to have voted for gay marriage and still be riled by other aspects of the agenda; gender fluidity for instance.

    No. On the contrary it is quite stupid to believe that the homo lobby would ever stop at marriage. Every victory is just a step to the next depravity.

  102. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    That’s great but if you’re an atheist why are gays “depraved”?

  103. dover_beach

    It looks like exactly what it says: the state shouldn’t be involved in relationships, hetero or homo, except where property is concerned.

    Which is always the case in marriage, so indeed, you said ‘no but yes’.

    And while I’m at it, if three people wish to ‘marry’, good on ’em.

    And if a man wants his birth certificate/ passport to record that he is a woman, good on him too, I guess, which undermines your claim, “It’s perfectly reasonable to have voted for gay marriage and still be riled by other aspects of the agenda; gender fluidity for instance.”

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloke in a giant, inflatable DJT eleven foot high costume walking around the crowd in Pomland.

    He is carrying four-packs of beer by the handle. A standing ovation greets him from the punters.

    Excellent.

  105. JC

    My kid suggested a movie. Brawl in Cell Block 99. He reckons its really good/extremely violent. Vince Vaughn is in it.

    Here’s the trailer. Might watch it soon.

  106. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cohenite – So far bleak but interesting. The sound track is really irritating. I liked the AI getting rained on for the first time. A sense of austere wonder.

  107. egg_

    Bolt was defamed again last week by the serial smearer Marcia Langton

    Was she Aping Goodes?

    Both have white partners, natch.

  108. areff

    Dover: She didn’t say ‘no but yes’ at all. She said human relations are one thing, and that property disputes arising from that are quite another.

    As for likening two people doing as they wish (or three people — Ellie may well be a poster of enormous appetites) to changing the hard and fast fact of gender and chromosomes listed on a drivers licence, that is sophistry.

  109. JC

    Tickler

    Tina had the best legs in the music business. They were great. We saw her once at Radio City Music Hall.

    Here’s a better song she did.

  110. jupes

    That’s great but if you’re an atheist why are gays “depraved”?

    Do you think sodomy is a wholesome activity Dotty? What about sacking a man for quoting the Bible? What about pre-pubescent drag queens? What about convincing a little boy that he’s a girl and cutting his dick off?

  111. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    This is so desperate.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/24/mueller-testimony-legal-experts-analysis-227419

    The public like Tulsi and Bernie but the machine doesn’t want that and cannot legitimately beat Trump.

  112. Bruce in WA

    But John Wood, 73, must pay back nearly $8000 in compensation to the owners of the seven duco-damaged vehicles he attacked.

    What were they? 1956 Hillmans??

  113. Muddy

    serial smearer Marcia Langton

    Socio-cultural necrophilia: the derivation of physiological satisfaction from intimate interaction with social and cultural decomposition. Indigeghoul.
    *shudder*

  114. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Do you think sodomy is a wholesome activity Dotty? What about sacking a man for quoting the Bible? What about pre-pubescent drag queens? What about convincing a little boy that he’s a girl and cutting his dick off?

    How in the name of Jason F T Soon, are any of these related?

    1. Not for me, but if consenting adults, I don’t care.
    2. RA will likely lose their case, their capriciousness is making their RWC campaign weaker than it ought to be.
    3. Child abuse.
    4. Child abuse.

    The idea that the boogie man of the “gay lobby” is monolithic is not true, see the hilarious split between the trannies and “TERFs”.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    Indigeghoul.

    Oh man, that’s good.

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    serial smearer Marcia Langton

    Marcia Langton is another who sees herself on “The Voice.”

  117. Fisky

    Oh dear. Another pillar of libertarian ideology is toppled.

    3/4 of Canada’s cannabis sales are still in the black market even after legalisation!

    All that’s happened is the police stop even pretending to apprehend people for illicit sales, THC concentration goes through the roof, and the health problems of regular cannabis use are inevitably pushed onto the taxpayer.

    Thanks, libertarians!

  118. Ellie

    What about convincing a little boy that he’s a girl and cutting his dick off?

    You’re quoting the extreme!

    It’s like the climate change alarmists.

    FMD

  119. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    How is there a black market after “legalisation” Fisk?

    Don’t be an idiot all your life, this is like blaming libertarians for tobacco smuggling due to excise.

  120. jupes

    How in the name of Jason F T Soon, are any of these related?

    They are all aims of the homo-lobby. First they were given marriage, now they are moving on to the rest. What about the compulsory waxing of balls? Plenty more along those lines too. Toilets feature in a lot of them.

    Like I said. Depraved.

  121. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Actually, Fisk will manage to blame Ron Paul and David Leyonhjelm for prohibition-era gangsterism, as he is so desperate to be preselected by the Stupid. Fucking. Liberals.

  122. JC

    All that’s happened is the police stop even pretending to apprehend people for illicit sales, THC concentration goes through the roof, and the health problems of regular cannabis use are inevitably pushed onto the taxpayer.

    Thanks, libertarians!

    Why stop there? Libertarians also tell you to stop funding public healthcare. Unhealthy behavior has consequences.

  123. jupes

    How in the name of Jason F T Soon, are any of these related?

    They are all aims of the homo-lobby. First they were given marriage, now they are moving on to the rest. What about compulsory b*ll waxing? Plenty more along those lines too. Toilets feature in a lot of them.

    Like I said. Depraved.

  124. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    They are all aims of the homo-lobby.

    A whacko conspiracy theory.

  125. jupes

    You’re quoting the extreme!

    No I’m quoting one of the main aims of the homo lobby. They are actually doing this right now.

  126. JC

    And Fisk

    Show evidence of one single person in the entire world who never smoked dope because it was illegal. You can’t because such a person doesn’t exist. 🙂

  127. Fisky

    Oh sorry, I thought the point of “legalisation” was to regulate and tax cannabis. Make it safer, etc. So they’ve done that, and the result is a massive black market and higher concentration of THC. Plus a massive advertising/marketing industry now unleashed to promote weed, including to adolescents.

    This was ENTIRELY predictable, but the problem with free market fundamentalists is they fail to understand the political externalities that impact on their dogma. To the point that most libertarian initiatives actually result in bigger government.

  128. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bullshit. Most gays and most people who voted for gay marriage do not support child sex change therapies or surgery at all. This is fringe bullshit like NAMBLA and asserting that the majority of gays and “allies” are all for this is just as nutty.

  129. Ellie

    Jupes to google ‘Daisy Taylor’ and ask him if a dick ended up on the right person?

  130. Fisky

    So social liberalism has actually made cannabis MUCH more dangerous, addictive and expensive to the taxpayer. That is the take-home from this.

  131. Mitch M.

    DB see here …
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6132575/
    Patients who were clinically determined brain dead in accordance with the American Academy of Neurology practice guidelines had similar findings at autopsy (Wijdicks and Pfeifer 2008). The histopathologic examination identified normal or minimally ischemic changes in different regions of the telencephalon (the frontal lobe, temporal lobe, parietal lobe, occipital lobe, and basal ganglia) in about 40% of brain dead patients (Wijdicks and Pfeifer 2008). The thalamus, midbrain, pons, medulla, and cerebellum of brain dead patients at autopsy were found to be either normal or had minimal ischemic changes in 66, 63, 59, 60, and 48%, respectively (Wijdicks and Pfeifer 2008). The concern is then how to explain the absence of ischemic neuronal necrosis in patients who were clinically determined brain dead. Are the neurologic findings in these patients potentially reversible with time?

  132. jupes

    A whacko conspiracy theory.

    So no one is lobbying for anything on my list Dotty? Really?

    You made a lot more sense when you were counting terrorists.

  133. Ellie

    Strike “him”. Silly typo

  134. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Fisky
    #3122691, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:07 pm

    Oh sorry, I thought the point of “legalisation” was to regulate and tax cannabis

    Yeah hi moron, you’re quoting green/progressive policy.

    This was ENTIRELY predictable, but the problem with free market fundamentalists is they fail to understand the political externalities that impact on their dogma. To the point that most libertarian initiatives actually result in bigger government.

    As an actual free-market fundamentalist, the idea of taxing and regulating a natural product used for thousands of years is downright evil and enabling of an avaricious and repressive administrative state.

  135. Fisky

    You go down the list of the “libertarian” movements main priorities over the past 20 years:
    -gay marriage
    -open borders
    -full legalisation of drugs
    -“free trade”

    Which of these have actually shrunk the size of government? All of them, so far as we can see, have directly INCREASED government spending and power (although the latter in a more indirect way by allowing the PRC to take control over 5G, manufacturing, etc etc, and weaponizing their diaspora against democratic countries)

  136. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Now you’re conflating total legalisation with “tax and regulate”.

    Stop talking out of your arse.

  137. Fisky

    Even the unregulated social media giants, defended by the libertarian movement, are proving far more effective in quashing freedom than most governments. Some are even working hand in glove with tyrannical regimes to share user data, etc.

  138. JC

    Oh sorry, I thought the point of “legalisation” was to regulate and tax cannabis.

    Nope, not true. That was never the point from real libertarians. That’s the way big government “legalizes” a drug. No libertarian would tell tell you to legalize and tax it.

    Make it safer, etc. So they’ve done that, and the result is a massive black market and higher concentration of THC.

    If there’s a black market then by definition the market hasn’t been legalized.

    Plus a massive advertising/marketing industry now unleashed to promote weed, including to adolescents.

    Show me a legal ad promoting dope to kids. I want to see it. In any event, I think kids are better off smoking dope that doing booze.

    This was ENTIRELY predictable, but the problem with free market fundamentalists is they fail to understand the political externalities that impact on their dogma.

    Almost every single action has an embedded externality, but that’s not the way to look it. Look at trade offs.

    To the point that most libertarian initiatives actually result in bigger government.

    Shoosh. That’s just not true.

  139. Muddy

    Governor-General urges all children under the age of five be tattooed with the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Carcass, so that mummification of indigenous Australians will be complete.

    No source, but trust me, it won’t be long before we read such a headline. Though it might be more concise. And less witty.

  140. JC

    mh
    #3122697, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:10 pm

    Advantage Fisky

    mh, stop the idiocy please.

  141. Fisky

    Sorry, I must have been dreaming when every “libertarian” think-tank was selling drug legalisation on the basis that it would be safer if we could tax and regulate it. A net benefit to the state if we can bring the drugs in from the shadows. A net benefit to the state did you just say? When did that become a libertarian priority? Indeed!

  142. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Yeah, so let him call himself a woman. Doesn’t bother me and won’t affect my life.’

    Said lotsa people, until all the consequences they hadn’t thought of started to become apparent, like weeds coming through cracked concrete after a week of rain.

    Until chicks couldn’t get changed in ladeeees’ changerooms any more without fat pasty ponces with erections wandering over and handing out tampons.

    Until blokes with skirts on starting winning all the female sporting events.

    Until kiddie pron freaks calling themselves women deprive actual women of their livelihood by demanding that they not only put their hands on his junk, but rip hot wax off it.

    Lotsa people laughed at the ‘slippery slope’ argument and thought both it and the people to adhered to it were stoooopid. And it all started by giving poof marriage a thin façade of legitimacy.

  143. Fisky

    Notice how PRC street thugs were kicking the shit out of pro-HK protesters up in Queensland the other day? Another wonderful spinoff from “free trade”!

  144. JC

    Fisky
    #3122702, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    Even the unregulated social media giants,

    Okay, so who on the right trusts and believes in the integrity of big tech? Eggsactly, no one! Big tech have seriously damaged themselves with 50% of the population.

  145. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Fisky
    #3122708, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    Notice how PRC street thugs were kicking the shit out of pro-HK protesters up in Queensland the other day? Another wonderful spinoff from “free trade”!

    Remember when you used to lecture the LDP about how evil and stupid it would be to tell China they shouldn’t abuse human rights!?

  146. JC

    Sorry, I must have been dreaming when every “libertarian” think-tank was selling drug legalisation on the basis that it would be safer if we could tax and regulate it. A net benefit to the state if we can bring the drugs in from the shadows. A net benefit to the state did you just say? When did that become a libertarian priority? Indeed!

    Which libertarian group argued eggsactly that? Name and shame them. Now!

  147. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    This is fringe bullshit

    So no one…?

    You are seriously retarded jupes.

    Get tested for it.

  148. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No source, but trust me, it won’t be long before we read such a headline. Though it might be more concise. And less witty.

    After reading KRudds “apology” and the plaque stating that “It’s a privilege to be standing on (Aboriginal) land”, on the wall of my local medical centre, it wouldn’t surprise me.

  149. JC

    Now you’re conflating total legalisation with “tax and regulate”.

    Eggsactly. That’s the greenleft way. Libertarians never supported that bullshit from the beginning.

  150. jupes

    Bullshit. Most gays and most people who voted for gay marriage do not support child sex change therapies or surgery at all.

    How would you know? You just made that up.

    This is fringe bullshit like NAMBLA and asserting that the majority of gays and “allies” are all for this is just as nutty.

    No. All that stuff is happening right now. And it’s supported by government.

    What about sacking a man for quoting the Bible? Yep!

    What about pre-pubescent drag queens? Yep!

    What about convincing a little boy that he’s a girl and cutting his dick off? Yep!

    We live in very depraved times.

  151. Fisky

    Until kiddie pron freaks calling themselves women deprive actual women of their livelihood by demanding that they not only put their hands on his junk, but rip hot wax off it.

    Remember how “Drag Queen Story Hour” was in the news a month or two ago? Check it out.

    Compare and contrast with the Libertarian Party national convention! lol

  152. Knuckle Dragger

    4/6 for the footy tipping so far. Potentially 7/9 with three ‘easy’ picks tomorrow, which are now making me nervous.

    I’m running out of rounds to get from third to top of the pub tipping comp by home and away season’s end.

  153. mh

    Peter Beattie legalised brothels in Qld and illegal prostitution tripled almost overnight.

  154. Ellie

    We live in very depraved times.

    Only in your mind.

  155. P

    Ellie,
    I love the vibrancy you display in your comments here. I hope nothing ever takes away fr0m that.
    Y0u are approx. the same age as my eldest son. As you embrace life with the enthusiasm you do, as displayed here, I pray that you will gain in knowledge and wisdom.

  156. BrettW

    For those with Netflix check out The Heist. Spanish production but dubbing is pretty good.

    Robbery of the Spanish Mint with a number of complications.

  157. JC

    Compare and contrast with the Libertarian Party national convention! lol

    You mean the boos from the audience?

  158. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    mh
    #3122718, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:27 pm

    Peter Beattie legalised brothels in Qld and illegal prostitution tripled almost overnight.

    Have you seen Instagram?

  159. Fisky

    Eggsactly. That’s the greenleft way. Libertarians never supported that bullshit from the beginning.

    Oh yes they did! This is from the world’s largest “libertarian” party –

    LP Monday Message: Regulate Marijuana Like Wine

  160. Ellie

    The slippery slope argument has nothing to do with the inherent right of humans to bond with whom they choose.

    The things you mention — dick lopping little boys etc — are the result of “conservative” politicians not standing up to their principle.

    One of those principles, as I said, is the right to bond with whomever you want in any way you want.

  161. JC

    mh
    #3122718, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:27 pm

    Peter Beattie legalised brothels in Qld and illegal prostitution tripled almost overnight.

    FUCK! Does it ever sink in??? By definition then, there was NO legalization! If it were legal there would be no illegal prostitution because none of it would be illegal.

  162. dover_beach

    Dover: She didn’t say ‘no but yes’ at all. She said human relations are one thing, and that property disputes arising from that are quite another.

    areff, no one is disputing that human relations and property relations/disputes are distinguishable, but in the human relationships understood as marriage, they are inseparable. Even if we set this point aside, you can’t at once say, no regulation of marriage except when a dispute or abuse or neglect arises. Moreover, it isn’t at all clear how this presents a difference between proponents of SS’M’ and its opponents, given that the latter say the same thing.

    As for likening two people doing as they wish (or three people — Ellie may well be a poster of enormous appetites) to changing the hard and fast fact of gender and chromosomes listed on a drivers licence, that is sophistry.

    I’m not concerned with what two or three people are doing, I’m concerned with changes in definition to marriage and sex (no one even spoke of gender in the sense we now do until the 1950s). Also, it isn’t sophistry to liken changes in the definition of the two, given the arguments that proponents of changes in the definition of the former have used are the same or similar arguments to those used re the latter. Further, the fact that the medico-scientific establishment is a prominent proponent of ‘gender fluidity’ or otherwise silent suggests also that my and others ‘likening’ is not sophistry.

  163. JC

    The slippery slope argument has nothing to do with the inherent right of humans to bond with whom they choose.

    Oh right. So Jeffrey Epstein is innocent of fucking underage girls then, right? He was just bonding with whom he chose.

  164. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    How would you know? You just made that up.

    You need to get out of your paranoid bubble. The idea that about a quarter of the population support gender reassignment for kids is absurd.

  165. Fisky

    Peter Beattie legalised brothels in Qld and illegal prostitution tripled almost overnight.

    Of course it did. It’s all about signalling. Basically the government is saying to the police, “leave this sector alone fellas, it’s not worth your while…” and people take their cues accordingly. So you end up with more pimps, hustlers, and exploited women (and this has become even more of an issue thanks to our Big Australia immigration policies) than previously when the industry was “banned”.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    4/6 for the footy tipping so far. Potentially 7/9 with three ‘easy’ picks tomorrow, which are now making me nervous.

    I’m running out of rounds to get from third to top of the pub tipping comp by home and away season’s end.

    Sad to say, but get off the Bombers.
    I reckon they are cooked.
    No Daniher, Hurley, Bellchambers and Heppell.
    Too many key players gone, or limping to the finish line.

  167. dover_beach

    The slippery slope argument has nothing to do with the inherent right of humans to bond with whom they choose.

    And who argued that they couldn’t ‘bond’ as opposed to marry? They were perfectly free to ‘bond’ or civil partner as they pleased.

  168. Fisky

    Is there any empirical evidence that libertarianism works better than socialism? It looks to me that both ideologies fail pretty reliably, and for much the same reason.

  169. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ah yes Fisk, it’s all about exploited women. Which is why prostitutes used to be sent to prison.

    FFS.

  170. JC

    Fisk

    Government licensing a couple of knock shops in undesirable areas of the city is NOT legalizing outright whoring. Does it sink in?

  171. Ellie

    Oh right. So Jeffrey Epstein is innocent of fucking underage girls then, right? He was just bonding with whom he chose.

    JC, do I really, really, really, really need to spell out that I’m talking about adults?

  172. mh

    JC, you are conflating brothels with all prostitution.

  173. Nob

    JC
    #3122726, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:32 pm
    mh
    #3122718, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:27 pm

    Peter Beattie legalised brothels in Qld and illegal prostitution tripled almost overnight.

    FUCK! Does it ever sink in??? By definition then, there was NO legalization! If it were legal there would be no illegal prostitution because none of it would be illegal.

    Yes. “Legalisation” in this case means it can only be done in a certain prescribed and controlled way.

    So automatically puts probably a large proportion of transactional sex outside the law.

  174. Fisky

    Everybody understands why socialism fails every time. It’s “human nature” as we say, or more specifically, the idea that no one wants to work for free. Socialists don’t get that so it always bites them. It’s a straight forward misunderstanding of economics. The failure of libertarianism, and it is just as consistent as socialism, is more to do with political autism and a total inability to perceive the interplay between the state and the economy. So you “deregulate” an activity expecting freedom to flourish, and instead the state just fills the void and becomes more powerful than ever.

  175. JC

    JC, do I really, really, really, really need to spell out that I’m talking about adults?

    Yes you do because it appears a disturbing number of people identifying as being part of the gay community don’t.

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #3122638, posted on August 3, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    And here I was thinking you were a man of style and taste.

    I saw Lakshman and Tendulkar take Lee for 200 runs at the SCG over three days.
    I’ve put a batsman in hospital.
    Cricket ain’t what it used to be.
    Nor am I.

    I’ve put batsmen in hospital too.
    No bouncers.
    Dodgy egg and lettuce sandwiches at tea time.

  177. Fisky

    And then there’s the other issues of social signalling and cues, which are TOTALLY impossible for libertarian economic autists to get. The state says it is “relaxing” the law in a certain area. The police, judges, etc take their cues from that. We’re not going after people in that sector anymore. Better to put our energies into more worthy causes. Such as cracking down on “racists”, “bigots” etc. Suddenly you end up with a much bigger and more dangerous black market than before, exactly the opposite of what was predicted.

  178. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    and it is just as consistent as socialism, is more to do with political autism and a total inability to perceive the interplay between the state and the economy.

    In other words, unquantifiable stuff Fisk can make up on a whim.

  179. Ellie

    Yes you do because it appears a disturbing number of people identifying as being part of the gay community don’t.

    Not true. Where do you get your facts from?

  180. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Fisky
    #3122744, posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:45 pm

    And then there’s the other issues of social signalling and cues, which are TOTALLY impossible for libertarian economic autists to get. The state says it is “relaxing” the law in a certain area. The police, judges, etc take their cues from that. We’re not going after people in that sector anymore. Better to put our energies into more worthy causes. Such as cracking down on “racists”, “bigots” etc. Suddenly you end up with a much bigger and more dangerous black market than before, exactly the opposite of what was predicted.

    Jesus christ you’re a dangerous loon.

    America’s crime rate must have went up 20,000% after prohibition was ended.

  181. jupes

    JC, do I really, really, really, really need to spell out that I’m talking about adults?

    Of course you do.

    The aim of much homo lobbying is about access to kiddies.

  182. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Yeah, I think it’s bullshit too JC. Your plagiarism nemesis used to push it a lot.

  183. mh

    JC, when I’m feeling stressed from work and go get a massage, it’s very rare to not be offered a happy ending.

    Chinese female students are the worst. Little capitalists!

  184. JC

    Not true. Where do you get your facts from?

    How about Safe Schools for a start. Shall we persevere?

  185. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The aim of much homo lobbying is about access to kiddies.

    You’re just making this up.

  186. Ellie

    The aim of much homo lobbying is about access to kiddies

    Fucking totally offensive!

  187. Fisky

    Nah, the Prohibition Era was an outlier, because it was based around a popular activity shared by the vast majority of the population. Impossible to ban something that pretty much everyone does on a regular basis. This bears very little relation to the drug legalisation debate.

  188. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Chinese female students are the worst. Little capitalists!

    Did you blame Peter Beattie?

  189. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Nah, the Prohibition Era was an outlier

    How convenient.

    This bears very little relation to the drug legalisation debate.

    Get out of your ivory tower bubble you projecting autistic loon.

  190. Leigh Lowe

    Plenty to criticise about Tim Paine’s results with the bat, but he is the best keeper to spin we have … daylight second.

  191. JC

    Dot.

    I did make the point that I don’t believe ALL gays support it. However, a disturbing number do. Also, referring to the famous Texas study that was heavily criticized by the usual suspects, gays are overepped in ped crimes.

  192. mh

    Did you blame Peter Beattie?

    Of course!

    Beattie can bugger off out of the NRL, too.

  193. areff

    you can’t say no regulation of marriage except when a dispute or abuse or neglect arises

    You definitely can say that.

    Why not go all the way and reintroduce bans on oral heterosexual sex and hubby/wife sodomy? They were in effect in Texas until relatively recently. Maybe then, as the human element of marriage by your reckoning is inseparable from its property component, such conduct could be taken into account when cutting divorce settlements.

    “He buggared me relentlessly, your worship!”

    “Mrs Papadopoulous, you get everything”

  194. jupes

    Sad to say, but get off the Bombers.
    I reckon they are cooked.

    What about Geelong? It would appear that they have jumped on the slippery slide at the wrong end of the season.

    Still, as a West Coast supporter I’m hoping they make the grannie.

  195. JC

    The aim of much homo lobbying is about access to kiddies

    Jupes, I don’t believe that. I don’t think it applies to all of them. Having said that, Safe Schools is nothing more than a grooming attempt.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of Hookers, of the Cale variety:

    I was on the Dons today LL. Never thought they’d get bent over the ute the way they did.

    Didn’t know Heppell was gorn, but wouldn’t have changed the tip if I did.

    Jeebus.

  197. JC

    JC, when I’m feeling stressed from work and go get a massage, it’s very rare to not be offered a happy ending.

    Chinese female students are the worst. Little capitalists!

    …. and what do you tell them?

  198. JC

    Nah, the Prohibition Era was an outlier, because it was based around a popular activity shared by the vast majority of the population. Impossible to ban something that pretty much everyone does on a regular basis. This bears very little relation to the drug legalisation debate.

    Yea, like the war on drugs in the US, which has been an absolute success in every possible way. Possibly 150,000 Mexicans dead and the Coke supply to North America is larger than ever despite spending $10o billion a year trying to stop it and punish those who are involved.

  199. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘outlier’

    Fisky.

    Outrider. A statistical outrider. I know because a retired teacher told me.

    Terminology is important if you’re going to convey an argument.

  200. mh

    JC, I don’t talk to them much as their English is terrible.

    Studying in Australia and they can’t speak English?

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Makes a change from discussions of legalizing sodomy, on Saturday night, on the Cat.

  202. JC

    You’re avoiding the question, mh.

  203. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Arthritic fingers on the keyboard. Should have been the immortal “Baby Blue.”

  204. dover_beach

    Why not go all the way and reintroduce bans on oral heterosexual sex and hubby/wife sodomy? They were in effect in Texas until relatively recently. Maybe then, as the human element of marriage by your reckoning is inseparable from its property component, such conduct could be taken into account when cutting divorce settlements.

    Why go all that way? What relevance would those acts have between the spouses in a divorce settlement, as opposed to, say, infidelity?

    BTW, it isn’t by my own reckoning, marriage, naturally, involves an intermingling of property between the spouses because they invariably pool their resources together as a consequence of living together, etc.

  205. mh

    England tailenders becoming a nuisance.

  206. JC

    Your plagiarism nemesis used to push it a lot.

    Marcus Adonis. What a piece of work. He suddenly morphed from an APS schelp to Arnie the weightlifter at his prime with every young girl pining for his attention.

    Driller defended his plagiarism too.

  207. Whalehunt fun

    trying to stop it and punish those who are involved.

    Neither has been done nor even attempted. A blood test to detect use of hard drugs with a mandatory death penalty to be applied by police on the spot would both stop the trade in drugs and punish thise involved, i.e. the users whilst leaving the entrepreneurs rightly alone. You should be able to sell these things. People should be able to buy them and own them and use them, with only the latter carrying any penalty. It cannot be that hard to find a test which will detect a user and at the same time poison anyone with a positive result.

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    Stuart Broad’s batting like his old man.

  209. jupes

    You’re just making this up.

    No. Safe Schools is about convincing kids that sodomy is cool i.e. expanding the amount of young targets. Tranny activism is about getting men into girls’ change rooms. Trannies are reading to kindergarten kids in order to normalise their perversion. And of course they want to cut little boys dicks off.

    Children and toilets. It’s happening Dotty and turning a blind eye won’t make it go away.

  210. Whalehunt fun

    A much more important objective is a deadly test for socialism. Whichever pharmacologist develops an injectable that kills only socialists should be awarded all the honors of the king of the world.

  211. JC

    The infamous plagiarism post.

    2 Dogs had been warning about him for a while too. Dogs caught it.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    I was on the Dons today LL. Never thought they’d get bent over the ute the way they did.

    Didn’t know Heppell was gorn, but wouldn’t have changed the tip if I did.

    They are talking foot surgery for Heppell and hip surgery for Fantasia. Doesn’t sound like the sort of stuff to carry through a finals series.
    Just watching Zac Clarke, he looks like he is playing like the Bellchambers insurance policy he is.
    Maybe better to play a raw 20 year old than a bloke going through the motions.

  213. Whalehunt fun

    Safe schools.
    I never imagined I would welcome fundamental Islam into Australia but just maybe the benefits might outweigh…

  214. jupes

    Having said that, Safe Schools is nothing more than a grooming attempt.

    Bingo!

  215. Ellie

    Children and toilets. It’s happening Dotty and turning a blind eye won’t make it go away.

    Get out in the real world, Jupes.

  216. jupes

    Fucking totally offensive!

    Oh dear.

  217. jupes

    Get out in the real world, Jupes.

    I am. Perhaps you should too.

  218. Ellie

    You’re not, Jupes, if you think toilets are a haven for depravity. FMD.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    Fucking brilliant crickit umpiring.
    The fuckers miss ten dismissals in two days but call a no-ball because short-leg has 1/2″ of a toe behind the square leg line, thus technically in breach of the “three behind square” rule.
    Can’t call a no-ball on an overstep until a wicket falls.

  220. JC

    Fucking totally offensive!

    Elle, can we stop the outrageous outrage. You may disagree with the Jupseter, then say so and explain why, but the outrageous outrage doesn’t cut it as an argument. It would on Q&A but not here. Knock it off.

  221. Ellie

    JC, don’t tell me what to do.

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Wax my balls “Elle”.
    I insist.
    I identify as Sophia Loren and I want my balls waxed or I will sue.

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    Aleem Dar’s trying, with results yet to be determined, to have his next ICC contract signed.

  224. C.L.

    “He buggered me relentlessly, your worship!”

    “Mrs Papadopoulous, you get everything”

    Well, yes.
    Those would be a perfectly reasonable grounds for divorce.
    Also for annulment.

  225. Sinclair Davidson

    I identify as Sophia Loren and I want my balls waxed or I will sue.

    I don’t recall Ms Loren having hairy balls.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Wax my [email protected] “Elle”.
    I insist.
    I identify as Sophia Loren and I want my [email protected] waxed or I will sue.

  227. Sinclair Davidson

    At the expense of taking sides, I think Ellie has a better feel of community expectation than you lot. Conservativism will be on a hiding to nothing for as long as you lot are out of touch.

  228. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t recall Ms Loren having hairy balls.

    Possibly not.
    But she (I) has the right to have them waxed.

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    Shit. He’s here.

    Hey guys, how about that economy? Huh?

  230. Leigh Lowe

    Yeah.
    Economy.
    It’s, like, totally economic, dude.

  231. mh

    KD, I’m not convinced of the need for the latest rate cut from the RBA.

  232. Sinclair Davidson

    But she (I) has the right to have them waxed.

    heh – if you beg nicely nicely I’m sure Ellie would wax you from top to toe.

  233. jupes

    You’re not, Jupes, if you think toilets are a haven for depravity. FMD.

    Yes because homos never use dunnies for sex do they Elle!

    FMD someone needs to get out into the real world and it’s not me.

  234. Ellie

    Wax my balls “Elle”.
    I insist.

    LL, it’s a little bit late in the night to be applying wax to balls.

    You could still prep.

  235. jupes

    Conservativism will be on a hiding to nothing for as long as you lot are out of touch.

    Yes if only conservatives did more homo lobbying they would be elected in every state.

    The proles can’t get enough of Safe Schools!

  236. Sinclair Davidson

    Yes because homos never use dunnies for sex do they Elle!

    Heteros too.

  237. JC

    KD, I’m not convinced of the need for the latest rate cut from the RBA.

    I am. CPI is below target and looking like drifting lower. Tension in the lending markets with sectors closing off.

    To me, the RBA is the only major CB in the world that respects its legal mandate. That’s a good thing. The 10 year bond rate and the o/n rate is flat 1%. Combine that with a falling inflation rate and that very ungood.

  238. Top Ender

    The Red Sea Diving Resort…

    Worth watching – review 0n Netflix.

  239. Leigh Lowe

    heh – if you beg nicely nicely I’m sure Ellie would wax you from top to toe.

    No biggy.
    Just eyebrows, ears, nose and three on the top of each toe.

  240. Sinclair Davidson

    The proles can’t get enough of Safe Schools!

    I’m not a fan of Safe Schools either. But what has that to do with “homos”?

    PS. Safe Schools was launched by the Abbott government.

  241. JC

    At the expense of taking sides, I think Ellie has a better feel of community expectation than you lot.

    Close enough to 50% of Americans would vote for a communist in the presidential election. Those are also community expectations

  242. Sinclair Davidson

    Just eyebrows, ears, nose and three on the top of each toe.

    No wimping out.

    I was thinking candle wax. All over over. ripping the hair by the roots.

    Be a man. You can take it.

  243. Sinclair Davidson

    Close enough to 50% of Americans would vote for a communist in the presidential election.

    Doubt it.

    But so what? This bigotry towards “homos” and what-not is ugly. People don’t like it.

  244. Leigh Lowe

    No, no.
    Eyebrows, ears, nose and toes are the only places growing fur.

  245. JC

    PS. Safe Schools was launched by the Abbott government.

    It wasn’t the same thing that was introduced in Victoria. It materially changed to the point where the only commonality was the same name, which was really a trick to confuse people.

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