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Dayton has wonderful LGBTQ resources:
https://www.daytonohio.gov/169/LGBTQ-Resources
PRO-gay, ANTI-smoking.
I see that Bendigo suicide woman was playing Nick Cave “tunes”.
Enough to make anyone call for the big blue injection.
‘WTF is close-in work’
Spastic herder.
I’ve told you and many others. I’m an open book, as some dickhead on here used to say.
I supplant my normal meagre income selling hot dogs with being a millionaire secret agent astronaut. Just like on my Tinder profile. I know all about this stuff.
Now go away. There’s a discredited source of yours from 2012 somewhere you haven’t reposted yet. Probably hiding under your diversity quilt.
Bruce will be amused at this, I think.
Chris – University journalists teaching journalists?
I had one of Knuckles’ hot dogs the other day.
Great with Hot English Mustard.
And on the subject of moidas;
Excellent work by the Ohio coppers. Local no-mates muppet starts letting zingers go, and manages to kill nine people in less than a minute before being permanently ventilated by patrolling police who happened to be round the corner.
Nine down is suboptimal, sure. But less than a minute from start to removal of offender’s head isn’t really a bad result, given the crook was apparently loaded for bear. God knows what the count would have been if the boys were away stocking up on Krispy Kremes.
I had one of Knuckles’ hot dogs the other day.
Come on.
Phrasing.
*blushes*
Genuinely piss funny.
It is the only decent comedy produced in Australia in the last decade or two.
It reminds me of Fast Forward/Full Frontal.
Outstanding skit comedy.
& then loads of memes.
Queenland: beautiful one day, purrfick the next.
Victoria: home of the Big Blue Dream.
The surge of publicity for suicide01.
Do we have a disappointingly low uptake of the offer?
Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces.
One for Dragons fans.
https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/status/1157923584095862785?s=20
Hi monty.
Tell me what happened with that Mueller chap?
I’ve been out of the loop on that for a bit.
What did you think of Pieman’s first 100 days as PM, mUnter,
Monty I see Trump is still President, any day now, any day.
‘She lay in bed, surrounded by her energy crystals’
I reckon you could use those things to power cars or something.
Oh.
Too soon?
It reminds me of Fast Forward/Full Frontal.
Outstanding skit comedy.
& then loads of memes.
Fast Forward – SBS Woman (Season 3, 1991, Episode 3)
Any way, HRC ‘won’. BS ‘won’. Russia ‘proven’.
“But less than a minute from start to removal of offender’s head isn’t really a bad result, given the crook was apparently loaded for bear.”
Yep, when seconds counted they were only a minute away.
How long was the monty hibernation?
Fast Forward would not be made today.
Three cops with pistols against “crook loaded for bear.”
We don’t need to denounce something we have never supported.
You OTOH openly support Antifa.
Please be better.
Peter Moon is one of the greatest Australian comics.
so says the abortion lover,
Monty, the Cat has moved on. We have other trolls now.
An unnerving similarity just occurred to me while looking at the latest refutation of the stackhat-wearing spastic herder’s latest Qik-Eze – laden burp.
It’s like changing the batteries on your TV remote.
When you point and click and the teev doesn’t come on, you press the button five or six more times and think ‘Shit. Didn’t I do this just the other day?’
Followed by several minutes’ worth of scrabbling in the third drawer down in the kitchen with muted swearing along the lines of ‘I bought the fucking things the other day. Or did I? Yes, I’m sure I did. Fucking tiny things hiding under ladles and tea towels, fuck fuck….. Ah.’
Old batteries out. New ones in. Click cover closed. Old one in the bin. Click. Working teev.
Annoying, but a minor necessary irritant to return the world to its natural state of affairs.
Somebody got through..
Where are the catallaxy flowers, candles and ‘thoughts’
if we had had posted such meaningless comments monty would have castigated that as well.
I think the point being made is that the demoncrats concreted the society divide and the MSM have made mass shooting fashionable
reaping what they sowed
Very true.
Speaking of people going down in a fusilade of shots …
Dayton killer, a mental case unsupervised.
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/
Should we be worried what our resident leftist trolls could do?
monty popped his fat head up over the top of the trench & boom !!
Hi M0nty, are you referring to the environmental terrorist or the Elizabeth Warren backing terrorist?
2nd Mass Shooter Supported Elizabeth Warren, Socialism, Gun Control
IT – Non-believers believe anything. Death culture follows.
There will never be gun “reform” in the US.
Because it’s too closely linked to voter fraud.
Just look what you reveal there, monts. Not about us – about yourself.
This post is in all seriousness.
Once fb/google/twtr/nsa identify one of these chaps who are about to go loco, the government should then deploy a government funded honey-pot.
All these losers are sex deprived loners.
The honey-pot would then engage with adult relations with the chap.
They’d use that as an opportunity to get first hand intel on any weapons stash.
The loser would forget about any rampage as they’d have gotten one away.
If they have a stash of illegal guns, the authorities could swoop.
It’s time to think outside the box.
Domestic terrorism is by far the biggest risk to the US.
It always has been.
‘think outside the box’
In a walk-up start….
PHRASING.
Yes. Hopefully Trump will do the right thing and ban Antifa as a terrorist organisation.
Give us another month or two, m0nty, and we might have forgotten your record of total wrongology.
ZK2A:
The whole thing is about a journo who desperately wants to polish the good doctors knob and getting the virtue signalling rewards from his fellow journos, but without being seen to do so.
Someone tell me a more productive way to potentially stop these rampages.
I can’t speak for all Cats, but apart from basking in my own awesomeness, I couldn’t really give a shit about anything post climax.
Maybe a cigarello, but that’s about it.
The last thing you’d be thinking of is a gun rampage.
We should all remember that this was all prompted by Rudd’s desire to look like a visionary for a few weeks in the newspapers. No one was asking for it. The unions were of course happy to have something to rort but Rudd, unlike his successor and predecessor the Y Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon of Wales), was propelled entirely by phantasms of destiny.
This grand but pointless idea to win him popularity points which we are still paying for in more way than one, both in terms of paying for what it is, and every possibility that was in consequence denied us.
Little Rat F*cker.
Maybe Monty has a point.
On his head.
OK. That was just to help out with the stats.
OTOH, I wonder if there is a connection between the constant social denigration of males and the mass shooters?
The “All Men Are Bastards” meme may be coming back to haunt us.
(I probably haven’t explained that very well, but … Discuss.)
German hypermarket chain Kaufland, founded in the ’80s, is opening stores in Australia.
Local retail analysts are puzzled by the move, since Kaufland has previously only expanded into former Soviet bloc countries. They are very popular in Romania, for example.
Say, given their experience so far, maybe they fancy their chances of success in a Uniparty socialist state with a market dominated by Colesworths?
I’m sitting in the sun moving a mob of sheep, just me and the dog.
These pathetic young men who kill might have benefitted from life away from the screen and drug addled dog box living in suburbs.
It’s only in the last 150 years that people primarily started to live this way. It doesn’t surprise me that psychosis develops amongst young men.
We look with pity at the tiger pacing the cage in the zoo but never recognise the same hopeless frustration in our young men.
Anyway that’s my take on the shootings. The politics and guns don’t explain the acts fully enough for me.
+100 Farmer Gez.
Can’t agree, Monty.
The “evil” is always visible here.
Mass shootings simply put it in perspective.
Everything evil is blamed on the “Left” – whatever that is.
Any residual logic and reason (and there are buggerall traces of that) immediately disappear.
Virtue signalling while denying the real cause of these atrocities, and indeed supporting them by supporting cultural marxist leftism shows again the true hypocrisy and evil of the left.
He’s not just thick, he’s evil.
Gez,
Like it. May be closer to the truth than a lot would like to think.
Hi Eyrie,
All true.
The point I wished to make was that such statements are premises so that, if the person you are dealing with does not recognise or acknowledge, the whole argument falls.
The pro- and anti- abortion groups origins are their opposition to each other, and what they think they are getting right (and the other guys wrong) is given away by how they describe themselves. Pro-life and Pro-choice.
They don’t talk about the same thing – so the verbal argument goes on as intractable as ever.
Look in your shaving mirror.
When moral guidance and ethical principles are absent leaving an individual adrift in a sea of ‘if it feels right, just do it’, then it is very easy for that individual to be influenced by evil people pushing an evil ideology.
Trump “virtue signalling” –
The real cause of these atrocities is statements such as these (one of many) from the US President –
You mean like
love is love?.
Indeed.
I would be very wary of any socially isolated white boy with a deep interest in computer games who suddenly buys guns.
Terrorism …
Democrats have killed 25,000 babies since 2015:
The Guardian shrugs it off as “rare.”
The truth about late-term abortions in the US: they’re very rare.
Does mUnter have a firearm?
Toby Young writes a column in The Spectator and this is his case for an organization to protect free speech with a new organization along the lines of the defunct PEN group that was set up to support Soviet dissidents.
It also means that that is where the argument must be had to begin with, before you move on to the further question.
Rudd, unlike his successor and predecessor the Y Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon of Wales), was propelled entirely by phantasms of destiny.
One wonders if these two see themselves as having been successes or failures as PMs.
They don’t seem to be spending a lot of time pursued by adoring crowds these days.
Rudd especially might have a sneaking suspicion he’s viewed as Oz’s worst PM by many.
“….haz an honorary doctorate. The honorific is not used unless he really has the education and papers. Of course, it does read better in the story./’
Whenever this issue arises. I feel a bit sorry for poor old ex-Senator, the late Mal Coulson, who in the nineties was very much in the media .
Dr Coulson had a genuine PHD – one he had earned – in educational psychology.
But Dr Coulson was fat, white, unattractive and, worst of all, he’d ratted on Labor. I can’t remember any journo paying respect to him for title he’d actually worked hard for.
Supporting division with identity politics and all that it destroys ……….the left.
The education system owned and controlled by the left.
Climate change nonsense, big government regulation, on business and private lives, ……………the left.
Supporting dumb economic policy based on destruction of the west……………..the left.
Supporting pure lies like the one about there being more than two sexes, as it aids the destruction of our culture in doing so….the left.
Banning everything from plastic straws to vaping, the minds of the totalitarian left.
Etc etc.
Take some responsibility for destroying the west, fun and wealth, moral values, decency and the best culture the world has ever seen, (the rest of the world are either envious, or trying to get there fom their left wing shitholes) and own these shootings that, prior to the left’s destruction of society, primarily but not only, via the education system, saw none of these things happen DESPITE the fact America was even more heavily armed.
Tulsi is back up live streaming.
That is until twitter & fb block her again.
Explain how “identity politics”, the “education system”, “climate change nonsense”, “government regulation”, and “dumb economic policy” make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection, and slaughter families stocking up on school supplies in a shopping centre.
Go……
Those many bad people were killing people…………………………………..
BUT
Trump pulled the trigger…………………….
You’re a sick fella.
Identity politics and left wing cultural marxism, is actually the cause behind all these deaths.
Own it.
JC — What is your take on the currency markets?
Sister Misery Guts is on the other thread pontificating on Josiah Folau and synagogues of Satan.
Smoke ’em if ya got ’em.
You see a need to state the bleeding obvious, Monty. I can’t imagine anyone — no matter what their political stance — who doesn’t find this abhorrent. Perhaps I should have been more vocal, but I simply took this as a given.
who is
Greetings, Monty, you miserable regurgitator of lesser fools’ dreck
Too easy.
The education system captured by the left, has been telling white western boys and young men they are bad and their tribe (the west and chistianity) are bad and they owe a debt for their apparent “privilege” that socialists like you believe was ill gotten.
They’ve been divided away by identity politics and told their very chemical make up is inherently evil.
They are suiciding in large numbers, numbers.
Left wing feminism , a part of cultural marxism, and white guilt, also part of cultural Marxism, are an insane attack on ou culture and young men.
And if you don’t think this has a vey detrimental effect on our young males, you’re just an outright liar , as we know you to be.
So explain why this sort of thing didn’t happen in a heavily armed and less gun regulated USA when cultural Marxism wasn’t prevalent.
Go.
Netherlands, 2002:
Victoria, 2017:
NSW, 2019:
The precedents for the public value of life are slipping into place and there will always be convenient Nitschke’s It will be very surprising indeed if it takes a whole 17 years for puzzled, elderly Australians to be routinely shunted off into another room for the Green Dream because inconvenient, or expensive, or smelly.
You want your Grandma? You can keep your Grandma.
China is blowing up in real time.
Trump is telling them to bend the knee and the stupid pricks are too stubborn to do it.
Struth beat me to it. All I was going to add is you need a functioning intellect to understand that the death cult you support like a zombie is destroying our society. You don’t have a functioning intellect. You are as dumb as dogshit.
No point in arguing with dumb animals.
This is the beginning of the end for Beijing. They are getting absolutely crushed by Trump. Also a disaster for Joe Biden, whose son is up to his neck in hock to Beijing. It is time to finish them off!
Sorry, I just addressed cultural marxism and you want the other left wing effects explained.
OK.
Too much regulation and dumb economic policies from socialist brain farts kills employment opportunities and therefore ambition and dreams, and the climate change nonsense, that has caused untold damage to mostly the fearful minds of young girls, tells young people the world is about to end.
Apparently, again, all caused by the west.
What sort of responses do you think that might bring on?
And all to steal wealth from the west, again.
Evil and pathetic.
What does Nazi stand for, Sniffy?
Not quite sure why, but I am suddenly curious:
Who is the President again?
When is he going to prison?
Beijing going down will also be a colossal blow to global progressivism. Nearly every liberal think tank in the US is being subsidised by Beijing. They will be permanently discredited and ruined! Wait and see!
‘make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection’
No-one ‘made’ a 21 year old Texan do anything. By any proper analysis, except perhaps a mental age assessment he is an adult. Perhaps not for long, but at this moment – certainly. And as an adult he can make his own decisions.
The consequences of those decisions, such as an extreme likelihood of being sodomised with a prison mop handle until its end protrudes out his mouth and he dies in agony while people try to remove it, seems to have escaped him.
He probably should have a thought a step or two ahead than he did, judging by his showing up with eye and ear protection thus indicating an intent to come out of the whole thing alive.
In these circumstances – and I really believe this – when a punter decides to start mowing down happy shoppers of whatever ethnicity, religion, hair colour (except rangas, obviously) etc etc and then turns around empty-handed and says ‘I surrender’, it should be open for the cop/s to say ‘too late xunt’ and kill him where he stands.
Got nothing to do with capitalism, socialism or any other ism.
Very few people today ascribe to the doctrine of personal responsibility. And for that, the world is a worse place.
They must accept that they have been defeated and surrender at once! From now on, Morrison should INSIST that Beijing’s ambassador tap his head three times on the carpet before receiving an audience. That’s the diplomatic protocol moving forward!
When the China Ponzi collapses it will be very interesting watching the peasantry taking their revenge.
Majority of Chinks still subsist on less than $200 per month.
Starvation and envy do not happiness make, or so my fortune cookie said.
Fools like the perpetually idiotic Strobe Talbot are suffering the indignity of being completely wrong on the two most important geopolitical issues since WWII. God hates liberals.
That’s leftism’s legacy.
One of the right’s core beliefs is personal responsibility.
I’d never quote anything from that charlatan Pat Howard, who has destroyed too many rugby and cricket players’ ability.
Enjoyed following his playing career, but it has been all downhill for players under his “rotation policy” guidance since then.
It is simply embarrassing that all mainstream economists think that China is not paying any costs from the trade war, only US consumers!
Hand back your degrees, you stupid autists. Get laid.
I knew China was finished when schools in Australia switched to Mandarin programs.
They switched to Japanese in the late 80’s just as Japan stagnated.
We must also heavily punish any organisation or person who has encouraged us to adopt “the Chinese way of doing business”. We have zero to learn from the Oriental in business except what to avoid.
Doesn’t a ‘doctrine of personal responsibility’ require some sort of objective standard of morality?
personal responsibilty
It’s nothing much, just replacing an old bridge with a new one. But these are things we still do together.
Even our best friend gets to give a hand.
What’s going on with the “trade war”?
I’ve been out bush working.
Don’t be too thrilled about the prospect of the Chinese economy being edged off the track.
After Emperor Xi and 250,000 of his closest friends end up with their heads on sticks, it will be the PLA that assumes control. The PLA is neither woke, nor nuanced – nor necessarily that rational.
From the Oz. You couldn’t make this shit up, could you?
They are running out of cash reserves.
They will soon run out of food and no one serious will accept any form of payment except King Dollar.
China must kiss our dicks.
John Kwiggan showed his hand not long ago when he openly wished for Beijing to defeat Trump. Disgraceful!
I don’t see him providing a single argument that rationally counters Tudehope’s claim that that the proposed NSW abortion bill effectively legalizes abortion up to before for any reason. And the rest of the article demonstrates that Tudehope’s claim is rationally grounded in the law:
Effectively, then, any reason up to birth.
Why is this traitor still allowed to speak freely?
Lizzie, just press-and-hold the “control” key on the bottom-left of most keyboards.
Then type an “f” – and then release the control key.
A text box should appear in the upper right of your window.
Type your keyword into that box and press “enter”.
It should scroll to the first example of your keyword, and pressing enter again will take you to subsequent examples of it.
The text box will also display the number of times your keyword appears and your scroll bar over on the extreme right should have little stripes that indicate the relative positions of the keywords on the full page.
If you then click on the page, such as to copy a comment, the search function is disabled.
To resume the search, click to the right of your keyword in the search box and press enter again.
Fisky:
What happened?
I thought I was abreast of all this China stuff, but haven’t seen any different over the last couple of days…
Taxiing out to the runway on a direct flight to Hobart. It’s like a flying Maternity ward in here. Thank goodness for noise cancelling headphones.
This heading via Twitter is no surprise:
UN Climate Chief Says Communism Is Best To Fight Global Warming
However I’m not keen to click through!
‘Personal responsibility or Individual Responsibility is the idea that human beings choose, instigate, or otherwise cause their own actions. A corollary idea is that because we cause our actions, we can be held morally accountable or legally liable. Personal responsibility can be contrasted to the idea that human actions are caused by conditions beyond the agent’s control.’
I have no problem with this.
Actions have consequences.
My personal view is that it’s caused more often by letting kids call their parents by their first names instead of Mum and Dad, and their absolvement of any responsibility of anything from not doing their homework to setting the house on fire than it is from reading other people’s Twitter accounts.
The thing that makes me laugh is that there is an expectation that we are supposed to submit to the opinions of formers jurists like Nicholas Cowdery, as if they are disinterested third-parties in such matters. They are not. And, no, we are not going to intellectually submit.
General strike in HK for first time, CNY below 7. They are absolutely fucked. Their choices are:
-Let HK go free, POC sees PRC is a paper tiger, unrest spreads to TB, XJ etc
-Send in the PLA, crush HK, POC takes note and edges towards formal independence, mass capital flight out of HK/PRC, etc
Choices choices!
Sorry that should be ROC not POC.
Cambodian taxi driver not too optimistic about China being crushed at least in SEA. HunSen is doing very well put of his Chinese masters.
I would add that Christianity, with it’s very core beliefs is the religion that fosters personal responsibility, and hence, freedom.
You cannot have freedom without it.
The choice is therefore, obvious.
but what about the morally accountable bit?
If shooter boy is really really angry and has justified in his own mind his action, ie that they are moral for him,who are we to say he has done something wrong (whatever wrong might mean for us)
Hong Kong on the edge – sphincters twitching all round.
Game’s over if Carrie Lam drops her bundle and calls out the PLA Garrison to restore order.
Yep. It’s a bit like the 19th Century though this time their delusional sense of their own importance is blended with a vengeful determination to teach everybody else a good lesson.
Cowdery always struck me as having a yuuuge Messiah complex.
As DPP, running or ditching cases based on his “special insights”.
Fuck the evidence, or lack thereof.
notafan – Shooter will probably get death penalty. Actions, consequences.
Red China Emperor Xi facing Boxers?
Polish that big red button for me, will you?
Is this what has everyone’s pecker up?
Thank you, IT.
You found your long lost sense of humour?
🙂
Numbers vacates for a while…………………………
Yoo Hoo, numb nuts, courtesy of answering my questions……………………..
So, situation normal.
Pathetic.
The wheels are falling off North Asia, but all is well in Fortress Australia:
We’re in good hands…
shift over
clocked out
I can’t speak for what’s in shooter boy’s head in terms of morality, nota. Anything I did say would be speculation.
My earlier commentary is (fairly, in my view) based on his overt actions. He has not taken into account the actual consequences of his actions, regardless of whether he personally thinks they’re morally acceptable or not – which I can’t opine on. Not won’t, can’t – because I haven’t asked him.
Legally, I am prepared to be held accountable for my actions. If I commit an offence, I will know I’m about to do so and will make a decision based on whether or not I’m good enough to get away with it.
Morally, not so much. I care very little for what others think of my actions in day to day life. That said, I have my own morality I live by, as I have found that people with no morals are far more dangerous than people with morals different to mine.
I am generally nice to people unless I have a reason not to be. My default status is polite, unless I have a reason not to be. I care very much for my elderly derg who does her best to kill me by standing directly behind me all the time, and yet given the chance I would happily fill the MCG with a mountain of plover skulls.
The people I love know that I do. I don’t emotionally hurt people, and while I have physically hurt many to various degrees and extremes (and this is not bragging, just a bit introspective) I have yet to do so to anyone who hasn’t posed a physical threat to myself or others.
And I really believe that that is enough.
now now.. If you point that out, we won’t be able to pretend that all mass shootings in the US have been far-right loons
Fisky:
These very same incompetents are asking the US to guarantee our oil supplies in an emergency.
If there is an emergency, I doubt the US will have a spare cruiser or two to convoy a couple of tankers here after that slap from our pathetic rulers.
Actually, I tried to find out how long it would take a couple of tankers to get here from the US. Anyone know?
Mother Lode, could you please expand on a more-effective strategy?
But first, let me explain why I wrote that as I did.
The strategy I’m using in that letter is the written version of a venerated martial arts attack strategy.
Open with a surprise flying sidekick to the opponent’s chest to knock his wind out.
Then take a wide ground stance for stability, and deliver a rapid combination of strikes with hands, elbows and knees as openings present.
My reasoning is that should provoke sufficient defensive response to focus their mind on the full set of words causing the pain being inflicted on their politically-correct wokeparts.
And I’m considering two different audiences.
The first readership is in the newsroom.
Many of my letters don’t get printed, but somewhere a journo has to read them – and if they are woke then I want to trigger cognitive dissonance in them.
It helps them question things over time.
Sometimes their personal outrage is such that they’ll print the letter just to stir up a shouty crowd to return fire at me and prove me wrong.
This I regard as a win.
Sometimes they get so extreme they swing more readers our way.
The second audience is the wider readership, some of whom simply won’t have looked at it that way before and will turn it over in the back of their minds, sometimes for years.
Again, this is a win for me.
Some will break off reading after that third line (this one)…
… and that’s a miss – but not necessarily a loss.
I then hope they come back to it later and read to the bottom to see what else I’m wrong about.
And that’s the mission complete.
But if there’s a better strategy, one that hasn’t already failed Mr Nice Guy conservatives, I’d love to pinch it and use it.
Grim reaping what they sowed – others are paying with their lives as they look on impassively and deaths’ head grin.
Emergency meetings in Japan.
They are worried China is going to implode and bring the house down.
Australia has backed the wrong horse again!
My personal view is that it’s caused more often by letting kids call their parents by their first names instead of Mum and Dad,
Same goes for teachers Knuckle Dragger. If my kids don’t use Mr or Mrs or Miss, they are admonished. Yet teachers insist on being called their Christian name or worse, their nickname. Still call my teachers of old Mr or Mrs.
Well put, Kunkle Dragger.
+ many, many, +’s.
Been doing a bit of landscaping.
Great weather for it.
Some of us have better things to do than making stuff up.
Depends when you reckon “cultural Marxism” wasn’t prevalent.
Suppose we go back 30 years to 1990.
If you reckon “this sort of thing” refers to firearm homicides, it actually did happen back then, at a higher rate than it does now. Check the graph.
Sorry, old mate. It has SFA to do with “cultural Marxism”, whatever that is.
Violence is, and always has been, as American as apple pie.
And if “cultural Marxism” is the cause, how come gun violence is nowhere near such a problem in western Europe, the UK, and Australia, where we keep hearing here about its “march through the institutions”?
Outstanding trolling IT.
China is doing just fine.
My operatives in Shenzhen, Shanghai & Beijing all confirm.
I expect some here at the Cat still long for Canton & Peking days.
This might blow some peoples minds but the Chinese love it when their currency goes down.
Been doing a bit of landscaping.
Ewww…TMI.
You know the shaving/waxing talk has gone too far when numbers even owns up to it.
Don’t sweat it, Winston.
Folks here have been predicting the imminent demise of China for the six+ years I’ve been reading.
File it away with holes in the ozone layer and Peak Oil.
The AUD dropping like this is the only thing making this god forsaken country competitive.
With the 90BBSW at 1.01 & 180BBSW at 1.045, it tells us official rates aint going lower, but there will be a hot dose of QE being applied.
The greatest strategic mistake since WWII was allowing the PRC to join WTO. This calamitous decision probably led directly to the GFC (as Bush had to stoke the housing boom to make up for the shortfall caused by the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs), while unleashing the PRC’s totalitarian model on the entire world.
https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/
Chinese think in terms of dynasties.
Russians think in term of empires.
Americans (& all western democracies) think in terms of twitter storms & electoral cycles.
SKY, sky metals, the tin explorer. [ is tin the new technology metal?.]
Interesting that their announcement today included a photo of fluorescence from a handheld analyser of a drill core before it had been sent away to the lab for compliance numbers.
New handheld tech is pretty darn good now, and running one over exploration drill cores to see what is in them is tempting. Nothing at all wrong with what SKY did, just this is about the first photo in an announcement of what is now everyday practise.
Information is valuable, selldowns of failed drilling programs when the handhelds have informed some people ahead of others are yet to be an asx thing to be bothered with– not SKY behaviour, but others seem to have had obvious pre-announcement moves.
[ chipped in for some sky when they recapped it and put the old YTC yunnan project in]
The greatest strategic mistake since WWII was allowing the PRC to join WTO.
Ah, this is the crazy turned up to 11.
What next, close our economy ?
Hang around the Cat long enough & you’ll see every crack pot economic theory posted.
We should have Cat bingo.
How long for an oil tanker from the USA?.
Before or after hezbollah’s south american drug cartel arm drone strike a couple of tankers in the Panama Canal?.
Nah, just don’t admit totalitarian countries into a rules-based organisation especially when their international behaviour has always involved breaking the rules.
I suppose the fat dribbling twat kept a straight face whilst making this pronouncement.
He’s the leader of a party founded and run by spivs and thieves, the Union thugocracy has pilfered billions from our pockets and ripped off millions of wukkas domestic and foreign and his ideology (now adopted by the LNP) is to steal half a trillion dollars of money from the punters per annum who get SFA in return.
Australia is the most legally corrupt nation on Earth.
Guess what.
Everyone breaks the rule.
Before we moved to spot pricing of coal & iron ore, the Japanese used every trick on the book the manipulate the price every quarter.
You could set your watch by it.
Fisky:
At the end of the war, the US apparently printed occupation currency for the 3 western areas of Germany. The Russians asked for, and got, plates from the US so they could print their own – a part of national pride, they said.
The Russians then paid their troops in OC and those troops hadn’t been paid in most of the war it was said. The Russian printing presses ran red hot and they went to the US PX’s and spent up big. So the West essentially paid for the Red Army and their satellite nations at the end of the war.
Never trust a Socialist with OPM.
If ScoMo agrees to let Australian ships escort tankers in the Persian Gulf, it would be the stupidest decision since Gillard gave the green light to the USMC base.
Never trust a Socialist with OPM.
Never trust any government with OPM.
‘allowing the PRC to join the WTO’
Excellent idea.
If you appreciate the concept of rather than being a trading partner with Chinaland, you’d have 12 million inscrutable human wave-charging Chinkies on your home soil taking the stuff for free that you used to charge them for.
Yes, feelthebern it is true that Oriental countries are chronic rule-breakers who take advantage of dumb naïve Westerners.
This is the sort of low rent fortune cookie quote western betas love pulling out.
America is the most powerful nation in human history. China and Russia are failed states.
I love the idea that failing to let PRC join the WTO would have resulted in:
-no trade at ALL
-a war!
Lol
What?
How can you possibly object to US bases?
When it was stacks on Russia over the Ukraine I repeatedly said:
Crooks in Russia versus the crooks in Ukraine versus the fools in the West.
I am yet to work out a way to describe the way Australia interacts with the US & China these days.
This is the sort of low rent fortune cookie quote western betas love pulling out.
Hey IT, you can tongue my ball bag.
How can you possibly object to US bases?
Because they never fvcking leave.
& only get bigger.
Do you think Australia would be worse off with the US if we said no to Obama?
John Constantine:
In the link you gave, this picture of a truck and trailer.
Very true.
Grovelling?
The troll admits that all it has is the other fat troll’s dick in its hand.
I hope that is objectionable enough.
The pour on from the left cucks about the latest mass shootings in the US is vile.
Neither will answer this basic question:
Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?
Oh, so it’s not just the PRC, you have a thing for revanchist regimes on principle.
IT today you have said you:
Love JWH’s attitude to the US;
Love Gillard doing a deal with HRC & BHO.
You are a fraud with no principles.
There is still an earnest belief that the Chinkies will, of their own accord, play by the rules others set for them.
In cricketing terms, it’s like turning up for a match against them and realising they’re all wearing whites comprised entirely of sandpaper.
‘This? This isn’t sandpaper,’ they’d say. ‘No, this is silk from the Forbidden City.’
So you end up playing a skewed, plainly rorted game, or you don’t play at all.
Will leave that chore to your Chinese girlfriend.
You need to do smart business deals with any party you get into bed with.
If you do not align your interests, do get into bed in the first place.
If you put a kilo of cocaine on a table in front of a pack of addicts, who do you blame?
You or the addicts?
do NOT get into bed
This makes no sense. Tell your Chinese friends to translate better.
Cohenite:
In Australia, it’s a very grey area.
No way, Jose.
That’s the law, yes.
Only if you are wealthy or important enough to get armed guards to do the protecting you refuse to do yourself.
Otherwise tough shit.
Run Cower Beg.
Good trolling.
Well played.
Invitation to ball bag withdrawn.
Here is a problem with this position. It doesn’t appear to think that there is a fact of the matter about this or that act being capable of being morally wrong. Is there a fact of the matter about, to use a previous example, robbing an old lady as she walks down the street being wrong? If I held the position you expressed above, the answer would be, No. Legally, it may be wrong but only in the sense that it was illegal to do so, and if you ever asked why that were the case, all the legislator could point to would be non-moral reasons, like, it’s not what we do (convention), or it helps economic efficiency and the like. It would also mean that you would avoid robbing old ladies in such circumstances only because you calculate the dividend given the chance of being caught and punished too risky, but if you knew she was carrying a winning unregistered lotto ticket the calculation might move into the other column. And you could not say, “I have a personal morality which abhors robbing old ladies”, because that would only mean, “I don’t like robbing old ladies”, not that you think it is wrong because that would imply that there is a fact of the matter in such cases.
And I see fuckedfacts and the guardian (which makes no reference to the RoP shri lanki effort) are pushing the right wing angle to mass shootings. The El Paso massacre, like the new zealandian outrage were done by environmentalists.
The recent non-RoP efforts however are no doubt bolstered by the many RoP outrages; RoP has created the template for modern mass terrorist attacks.
The government can’t protect the citizenry and increasingly the left won’t let the citizenry protect itself.
‘kilo of cocaine’
If I put a kilo of coke in front of a bunch of halfwits I wouldn’t blame anybody.
As long as, considering a couple of months ago it was going for $310 a gram. At an average of 9.5% purity, and assuming it hadn’t been stood on even further, or that I could convince the dills that it hadn’t been;
I’d be happy leaving the room with $350K. They can use it to make papier mache hats for all I cared, as long as they don’t hurt anyone in the process.
Let me rephrase: should the citizenry have the right to defend themselves?
and others don’t care what you think of either your actions, or of their actions, or what you think about what they think either, for that matter.
does ‘fact of the matter’ lead to objectively wrong?
‘and others don’t care what you think’
Good. I don’t care that they don’t care.
We’re on the same page then.
Sister Misery Guts.
Wonders of the NBN.
I have just discovered that if you send me an email, or reply to one that I send you, THEN …
I can tell if/when someone is home at your address.
NBN – burglary enabling. A free service that they don’t charge you for.
I can tell if/when someone is home at your address.
Really?
Doesn’t it just say you are active or not?
You could be on the moon & it would show you as active, doesn’t it?
Watching a replay of a ladeeees’ ODI crikkit match on Fox. Australia v New Zealand.
There is a ladeeeee umpire as well.
My God, she’s got a fat arse. Has to be disrupting the bowlers’ run-ups.
okay then Lord High Pontificato’r
are you feeling cranky?
too much Hot English Mustard was there?
Absolutely.
But in 72 years as a citizen of this country, I’ve never needed a semi-automatic rifle to do that.
The only time I needed one of those was many years ago in another country when there were lots of small and wiry men running around Phuoc Tuy province, also with semi-automatic rifles, RPG7s and RPDs.
Haven’t come across too many of those in Oz.
They were a bit pissed off because we were telling them how to run their country.
Understandable.
I’d have done the same if somebody from elsewhere had tried that here.
Really. Optus/Telstra (haven’t checked others) are snoopable unless you connect via a vpn.
Cohenite:
That’s a lot easier – Yes they should.
However they will be punished if they do it in a way our elites frown upon.
The rules are even more stringent than that faced by our soldiers in a war zone.
Knuckle Dreggar:
Oh yeah.
And someone is going to protest that?
Maaate.
🙂
They were a bit pissed off because we were telling them how to run their country.
Understandable
No, we were trying to save them from the filth that was communism.
Rafiki, we were there very early in the morning and wandering around and found ourselves in what I figured was the red light district. Almost deserted.
I mentioned that I have a well-honed danger reflex. Whether it was warranted or not is another question. The fact was, the Beloved walked very close to me and slightly to the rear. He sensed it too.
Definitely.
Salespeople shoot be legit targets, as soon as they enter you property.
The fake media including the ABC is just lying. These shootings are not terrorism or domestic terrorism, they’re just mass murders and the perps really do have common characteristics as a rule. The slides describe many inadequate people who rage internally at life’ unfairness but who don’t commit atrocities as well as those who do. Common sense tells us how the lives of little boys should be – free play, accidents, injuries, friendships, bullying, sports, hobbies, education and discipline, strong dads who get them out of the house to toughen them up and nurturing mums who put the bandaids on when they come home in tears. And at the end of the day (and I mean at bedtime) these psychopathic loners (Tom’s right) know they’re outsiders and they don’t fit in because they haven’t been made to. In the end it doesn’t take much to fit in – a relationship, job, team, hobby, friends, opportunity or purpose. When you look at what our elites are doing which is destroying these things 1 by 1, you get what we’ve got.
There are no political, ideological or religious motive with these loners despite dubious cut and pasted manifestos. They’re 19 and know f all about life and can’t think things through. One didn’t think what would happen when he ran out of ammo, the other didn’t think people might shoot back.
Anyone who quotes the mystical Chinese 4D world chess game to me also has to account for their collective clusterfuckery over the centuries. They do break a lot of eggs..
It looks like this is the end game – Democrats get their arses booted over the moon because of the lunatic Left contestants.
…and that leaves Michelle O’Bama as the only viable alternative for them.
At last, the first Female, Negro, Transgender US President evah!
Bugger. Did I say that out loud?
Calli,
if you were near the Harbour that would have been the Reeperbahn(St Pauli), my great grandmother lived in the middle of it from 1910 until she died 10 years ago, and my cousin(the Frl DrIng) now owns her unit. If near the Hauptbhnhof that is a no go area for many residents because that area is where the adherents of the RoP gather.
If someone writes a manifesto, then goes on a rampage, I’d call that domestic terrorism.
If someone gets a punch in the head at a party then comes back & shoots the place up, I would not call it domestic terrorism.
Linky thing.
Thanks for asking SMG, but I’m having a pretty good day. Large amounts of bugger-all, as opposed to most days.
Taskings for Monday, 5 August:
1. Sleep in. Completed. Achievement: 9.15 a.m. wakies, no alarms.
2. Nap – not yet complete. Achievement: Potentially an hour, if my useless associates don’t ring up and ask what I’m doing.
3. Put on pants – not yet complete. Achievement: To be determined.
I don’t think it was Orwell-speak at all.
Had she been injected by another, it would have been homicide.
She was presented with a lethal dose of drugs, she mixed the drink and drank it herself.
At most, the family, pharmacists and the state are accessories for procuring, providing and sanctioning.
Did I hear on the wireless that Craig Emerson has just been appointed to something he shouldn’t be allowed near? Can’t find anything on the web but the ABC was gushing.
Well, he’s speaking honestly after a manner.
They legalised all the corrupt things they routinely do, most especially taking bribes and robbery.
Kavanuagh beats 83 allegations…
Winston;
Oh I protested. Mucho booing ensued, but it didn’t seem to put her off.
Possibly because it was a replay. Dunno, all this time travel stuff’s beyond me.
Tomorrow I’m going to ask the little men in my radio why they only play music when I kick the ute in the guts.
Did you mean this?
Terrorism definition, the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
Top of the smh.com.au.
Drug cheat deserves compassion especially if guilty.
What the?
And no consequences for the mad bitch blasey ford who lied or the others; or for comey; unless some of these fuckers face consequences more bad things are going to happen.
Ohio shooter had a kill list & a r*pe list.
Obama had a kill list – including Americans.
The r*pe list sounds more like the chap who used to post here who was making a suit from human skin.
That’s strange.
If people came over here and tried to run this country by virtue of force, Liability Bob would seek employment with Birch Carroll and Coyle?
notafan
I looked into the drunk autistic Hungarian guy.
The woman involved said nothing inappropriate was said.
This is what you said:
Her father arguably threatened him – “you better start running”
Let’s see how the Daily Mail reported this:
The Hungarian man was tackled by a police officer after making inappropriate comments to a young woman on the Sunshine Coast on Wednesday
It speaks volumes how you praise the father but won’t condemn the police.
It used to be the law that if someone was annoying you in public, you ought to simply walk away (I am sure that is how it works for the rest of us still). You never had a right to strike them, threaten them, have them arrested or force them to move on.
What a bullshit artist. Him and the gutter journalism of the Daily Fail are just disgustingly dishonest.
Let’s see if a young man can get out of a negligent driving causing death charge…”hey, I’m not a man, I’m a 19 year old boy!”
The concept of a “nineteen-year-old child” is laughable to anyone but their parents.
On Ray! Fucking! Hadley! today, he was whinging how the Queensland Crown Prosecutor had screwed up by not knowing that a drug driver who killed someone had already been in gaol for drug driving. (Didn’t the NSW police shoot some guy for stealing a pack of Tim Tams a while back – maybe the cops are racist fuckwits with a borderline retard IQ?)
Did any cop assault this guy? Nope, they forgot and the CPS couldn’t even do their job right. Lucky he wasn’t an ugly looking dude. What about Lena Dunham asexually assaulting Brad Pitt? Nope. No lying fuckwit father around. Maybe Brad Pitt should claim he’s a 19-year-old girl?
Well duh. But she’s a 19-year-old minor, apparently.
If you’re happy for your grandkids to live in a world where the cops pile on and arrest men for asking women out for coffee, go right ahead, your tickets are paid for, welcome to klown world!
I hope they’re all boys. I’d wish them to live in interesting times, but we’re already there.
Honk honk!
Perhaps President Trump will pull enough black voters away from the Democrats to break the chains?
Life under the rule of kindly and benevolent “Uncle Ho” would have been Utopia for the South Vietnamese, surely?
A report from my correspondents:
Submarines anyone?
It will only search in the page you have open.
On tablets or phones using Chrome, there’s usually an item in the “three vertical dot” top right menu called “find in page”.
Legal and moral corruption are not always the same thing.
Yes, Australia is very corrupt.
The Greens voting with Turnbull to destroy most other minor parties (who happen to be right-wing) was appalling. It was a vulgar act that was anti-republican and anti-democratic.
The State police services are like an open syphilitic wound regarding corruption.
I’ve never shot and killed a Brazilian student because I couldn’t do my job properly.
PS on the QLD CPS – if they’re that shithouse at their jerb, why don’t they have the ‘tegridy to just quit, give up their practising cert. and hand back their LLB to the university?
vr
Sell aussie on rallies.
Buy US Dollar against the Euro as it appears to be going lower.
The Yen is king. Buy Yen against the Aussie, Euro, US Dollar on rallies.
I’m currently short Aussie against the Yen but I will look to close the position and reestablish higher. I think Yen is heading back into the 90s against the big buck.
How to write about shootings in the US without mentioning the June 2017 attempt by a Democrat to carry out the largest mass assassination in US history – a crime that was deliberately incited by Democrats and the media.
Mmm.
For Fairfax, somebody named CJ Werleman shows how:
US in the midst of a white nationalist terrorism crisis.
We’ve been around this track once or twice before, but here was go again.
In this country, you are NOT allowed to obtain a weapon for the purpose of self defence – be it semi-automatic, bolt action or f-cking flintlock.
Bob, do you support the right of Australian citizens to own a gun for the sole purpose of self-defence?
Never forget.
Not against cops who don’t even understand the laws they are trying to enforce with their high school dropout “education”.
Frank
I read that as he persisted after she made it clear she wasn’t interested
also he is a creepy looking guy, apparently women should have to put up with persistent advances from creepy guys in public places
I made no comment about the police arrest because that was neither here nor there as to whether her father should have intervened
apparently parents aren’t allowed to make judgements about who appears to be a threat to their children, and as far as I am concerned that she was over 18 is irrelevant.
merely that her dad was acting to protect his daughter, as fathers often do
I’d have told him to go away from my daughters too
Joining Tony Jones on Q&A tonight are Independent MP Zali Steggall; Liberal MP Jason Falinski; Labor Senator Katy Gallagher; Australian Council of Social Service CEO Cassandra Goldie; and The Australian’s Economics editor Adam Creighton.
Carpe, will you be ready to rumble?
It’s Monday. Vodka shouldn’t be consumed on a Monday night, but how is any sane person able to get through the show. Might hit Tailgunner for some herbal therapy.
KD at 4:01.
Very similar “sleep in-nap-trousers optional” day for me after staying up late watching the Poms mentally disintegrate at Edgbaston.
The D’rats are the principal cause of these mass killings by inciting loons through hate and appalling strategies like allowing the southern border to remain porous.
That “Communism”, whatever it is, has superpowers.
Apparently it’s also responsible for mass shootings in the USA.
Maybe it’s also preventing my strawberries from bearing.
Like Chickenman, it’s everywhere….
Is that the same Ray Hadley who got the family lawyer to arrange for charges against his arrested, cocaine-using son, 28, to be disappeared with a “section 32 dismissal on the grounds of mental illness”?
Oh god, I can’t believe you did this to yourself.
…but not from good looking ones.
Yes well. Apparently the cops can assault and arrest you for no reason at all with no consequence professionally; no compensation, let alone an apology.
So you’re claiming she is a minor and an adult at the same time, and the guy was going to harm her?
Correct. She’s not wearing that to stay warm during August in Australia.
The article you just linked to added NOTHING AT ALL, the daughter contradicted the lies of her father.
Why does he have a right to threaten someone over something that wasn’t even said!?
Could be.
I urge all police and prosecutors in both circumstances to quit out of the principles of decency, public service professionalism and letting more competent people with higher IQs have their jobs.
The authorial footnote for Werleman reads, “CJ Werleman is a journalist and author.” Some digging unearthed who he really is:
Tom,
Your toons are a great joy every day. Don’t know what I’d do without you.
This cartoonist is perhaps one to watch…
(H/T Insty)
I wouldn’t have the chutzpah to ask every person who wanted to own a gun his/her reasons for that.
Just as nobody asks you why you need a motor vehicle.
So long as the thing is safe and legal, it’s nobody’s business.
That’s why we have the NFA in this country.
Here’s a question for you.
Is it OK for any citizen to appoint himself/herself as judge, jury and executioner?
FWFNT,
Yup.
Yet again we are presented with the proposition that an adult female is incapable of looking after herself, and that various men must run to their aid should they be spoken to in the street.
There is an ‘aggravation’ to the offence of assault in NT law that provides a harsher penalty if a man is found guilty or convicted of assaulting a woman. I have yet to see any of the equalideee crowd protest its existence because sexist, and I personally think it should have been repealed years ago.
It really is time for the ladeees, in this country at least, to decide whether they want to be treated equally or not. I’m happy to go either way, but they don’t seem to realise it’s a package deal. You don’t get to pick and choose the bits of equality you want.
NB: I’m as chivalrous and polite as anyone else to the fairer sex (much more so, actually) but if they don’t want it then I won’t bother. Except, of course, to the obvious femmos, when I will continue to open doors, hold lift doors open etc with the biggest shit-eating grin on my dial I can muster.
See the NSW Crimes Act. The short answer is yes if you are protecting your own life or the life of others. Circumstances that are nearly certain are being attacked by more than one perpetrator or being attacked with a weapon.
So if you saw Anita Cobby being kidnapped, you could have smoked the lot of them until they fled or surrendered.
http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s418.html
CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 418 Self-defence–when available
CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 418
Self-defence–when available
418 Self-defence–when available
(1) A person is not criminally responsible for an offence if the person carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self-defence.
(2) A person carries out conduct in self-defence if and only if the person believes the conduct is necessary:
(a) to defend himself or herself or another person, or
(b) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person, or
(c) to protect property from unlawful taking, destruction, damage or interference, or
(d) to prevent criminal trespass to any land or premises or to remove a person committing any such criminal trespass,
and the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them.
Yes. To say that there is a ‘fact of the matter’ about something is to say it can be potentially right or wrong.
So it’s OK to shoot “illegals” by the dozen if they’re on the “wrong” side of the border?
And I guess by “hate” you mean this kind of discourse.
“I wouldn’t have the chutzpah “
How trite…an anti-Semite using a Yiddish word.
Aug iron ore contract just went below $US100 USD.
The authorial footnote for Werleman reads, “CJ Werleman is a journalist and author.” Some digging unearthed who he really is: a Muzzl1mm fetishiser who hates Iz-rail and Christianity.
He is also the author of Jesus Lied: He Was Only Human and God Hates You. Hate Him Back.
Unfortunately, that is a very rare occurrence.
Firearms are more likely to be used in situations of domestic violence, robbery and hijackings than they are in self defence.
‘he is a creepy looking guy’
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
That’s right up there with the other Committee member None’s commentary on the bloke that stabbed the Abbott666 staffer with a corkscrew:
‘He sounds gay, or at least very camp’
Cuck world! Since we still have AK as an award in the Aust. honours system, I think the appropriate administrative decision is to have that det. sgt. transferred to the mounted police. He can even keep a tally of women who have ignored him after he has leapt to their defence.
Blatant misandry.
You mean, LAYDEES!
…rights but not responsibilities. It was never about equality. Who are net taxpayers? Who pays for other people’s little bastards? Who gets screwed in divorces? Who initiates divorces?
Sadly, some of them want a man more than the well-adjusted women who actually act like adults.
Snap, Frank, sort of.
The China collapse continues apace.