Tuesday Forum: August 6, 2019

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  1. C.L.

    As discussed here last night …
    Perhaps inspired by the Christchurch massacre, Jacinda Ardern moves in for the kill:
    Sweeping abortion law changes: Woman’s right to choose until 20 weeks.

    “Abortion is the only medical procedure that is still a crime in New Zealand. It’s time for this to change,” [Justice Minister Andrew] Little said.

    “Safe abortion should be treated and regulated as a health issue; a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body.”

    The bill would also no longer be a crime if women induced their own miscarriages, he said.

  2. Natural Instinct

    Visited a large construction site recently.
    No engineers or supervisors available. They were all undertaking three hours cultural sensitivity training.
    I asked whose culture.
    Aboriginal was the reply with the explanation that we have some indigenous employees on the site and an affirmative action hiring policy supported by the state government.
    .
    I don’t know whether to be angry, or just sad.

  3. thefrollickingmole

    Noticing a proliferation of male/female/other doing online business with big companies now.
    The madness continues..

  4. mh

    Death to Extinction Rebellion!

  5. Ivan Denisovich

    As discussed here last night …
    Perhaps inspired by the Christchurch massacre, Jacinda Ardern moves in for the kill

    Meanwhile, in NSW:

    Speccie readers will recall how we broke the story last week, revealing the extent of the bill’s provisions. Greenwich and his bandwagon of co-sponsors (a vanity role, rather than one recognised at law or in the standing orders) say it’s all about removing abortion from the Crimes Act, but it does far more than that, allowing abortion until moments before birth for reasons that the Health Minister tried and awkwardly failed last week to explain, such as the mothers future social circumstances.

    It also requires doctors who object on conscience grounds to nevertheless refer a woman who wants an abortion to a doctor who will perform the gruesome procedure. While MPs are allowed to act according to conscience, rather than along party lines, the same protection is not extended to medical practitioners. And this from the mob who say that abortion should be between a woman and her doctor!

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/08/gladys-greyhound-moment/

  6. sfw

    Several years ago I was in a compulsory lecture about aboriginal sensitivities, (Vic Gov job, I didn’t last long). Anyway this woman told us that aborigines have telepathic and psychic powers and that we must respect and believe this. I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    That was too much, I disagreed and stated that it has never been legal to shoot and or murder aborigines from the days of the first fleet and that while crimes like that have been committed people have been charged and found guilty of such murders. She didn’t like this and demanded that I be removed from the lecture. I left of my own accord.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    India stirs up a hornet nest.

    India revokes special status for Kashmir, sparking fears of unrest

    India revoked the special status for Kashmir on Monday that would strip its ability to make laws as it cut off communications and deployed thousands of troops to the disputed Himalayan region over fears of unrest.

    ​The order would remove Article 370 of India’s Constitution, which dates to 1949, eliminating the Indian-administered state’s right to its own constitution and decision-making abilities over all matters except defense, communications and foreign affairs.

    Maybe they think China is sufficiently busy with the US to risk this move.

  8. Carpe Jugulum

    Good morning all

  9. Ellie

    Thanks for the link, sparkx.
    She was woeful. Fake tears.

  10. BrettW

    From the old thread :

    “Police have cordoned off the street, which has been filled with market-style stalls and even a stage with microphones and a drum kit”.

    How is it that they can set up market style stalls ! What a joke

    How about somebody create Judiciary Rebellion. The aim would be to block the driveways of Magistrates who have previously been lenient towards Feral Rebellion. Naturally the police would standby and watch over them as the driveway blockers bask in the sun and give press interviews.

    I note Serge was on the radio today being interviewed and say he was not participating but just there to watch “the fun”.

  11. Farmer Gez

    Those judges hearing the Pell appeal had better be coming up with something equivalent to the Magna Carta to justify the delay in this case.
    What the hell is going on?

  12. min

    According to Paul Murray, recently the High Court awarded millions to aboriginals in NT ,for the pain andstress caused by some damage done on a very smallpiece of land that was considered a sacred site. Precedence has been set so let’s seehow Yupuningu’s claim goes and what that will mean.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    According to Paul Murray, recently the High Court awarded millions to aboriginals in NT ,for the pain andstress caused by some damage done on a very smallpiece of land that was considered a sacred site.

    2.5 million dollars, IIRC

  14. Chris

    Maybe they think China is sufficiently busy with the US to risk this move.

    I thought China’s interest was Ladakh, not Kashmir? Is it that they are both in ‘Jammu and Kashmir’?

    We travelled by Ambassador in a convoy with hundreds of trucks along that road from Kashmir into Ladakh, with staggering falls from freshly-rebuilt single lane along the mountainsides; further along were the Moonland (perched glacial lake sediments), and the Hangroloops (13 km of switchbacked road for 500m horizontal advance).
    And the many memorials; ‘In memory of Lance-Naik Singh who died when his bulldozer went over the edge’ from the road being rebuilt after avalanching out every winter.

  15. BrettW

    Strange how Q&A did not reveal the real details of the Q&A lady. Oh wait, she was the designated Gotcha victim for the evening.

    The simple fact is there is no way Q&A did not Google her before she appeared.

    In future Q&A threads there should be an extra prize for those first identifying the fake questioner.

  16. notafan

    Lysander said the whisper was last week or this

    still waiting

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Live Monitor
    @amlivemon

    China is a vast ponzi scheme using commodities to leverage $ debt to artificially produce growth. With economic growth, populations demand more freedoms which the CCP cannot allow if its to mask its fraudulent economy.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1158372020364730368

    One of the best accounts on twitter. So much interesting stuff.

    The fraudulent economic data we are fed is outrageous and dangerous.

  18. notafan

    So Justice Brereton – who had a distinguished military career in the Knox Grammar School Cadet Unit – is taking statements from terrorists against Australian Diggers in Afghanistan. He should be arrested on his return for treason.

    Cadets!

    there eligible, in the right circumstances, for a gold card.

  19. What the hell is going on?

    Time. It’s all about time.
    In time, all Viktoristani prisoners will go to meet their maker.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    I thought China’s interest was Ladakh, not Kashmir?

    Chris – And Arunachal Pradesh, which was depicted in Chinese passports as part of China. China tried a bit of Russian LGM style facts on the ground a couple years ago in Sikkim, which is the other side of Bhutan from there. Prompt response by the Indian Army dissuaded them from it.

  21. Gilas

    Mr Colostomy-Bag putting more scuttlebut about..

    Gotta love that waistline!

  22. BoN:
    The computer chips I’ve broken up and had sitting in hydrochloric acid for a couple of weeks.
    The acid has gone black and I can’t see any goldie coloured bits.
    Can I assume the gold is in the acid?
    Will electrolysis get it out?

  23. Ivan Denisovich

    Police have cordoned off the street, which has been filled with market-style stalls and even a stage with microphones and a drum kit

    Good background here on Extinction Rebellion:

    In May 2019, XR planned to use drones to shutdown Heathrow airport, but this plan was shelved due to unease amongst members. A leaked document reveals how climate change activists will use drones to organise mass disruption lasting up to 16 days in September this year.

    The XR group now has more than 350 cells worldwide in nearly 60 countries; Europe, North America, and Australia having the largest numbers of XR cells……….

    XR has stated that it is majority funded through crowdfunding, but its accounts show that is has also received some sizeable donations from wealthy individuals, foundations and businesses such as Lush Cosmetics Ltd…………

    Associated groups in Australia include; Australian Greens, Victorian Socialists, Rail, Tram and Bus Union, Unionists for Refugees, Climate Justice, Uni Students for Climate Justice, School Strike 4 Climate, Greenpeace Australia, Counter-Act, Climate Justice, Stop Adani, Frontline Action on Coal,

    Greenpeace, Guardian Newspaper, Seed Indigenous Youth Climate Network, Australian Youth Climate Coalition (AYCC), Refugee Action collective, Socialist alternative, Greens members; Senator Adam Brandt, Senator Sarah Hanson Young, Senator Larissa Waters, Councillor Jonathan Siri, former Senator Scott Ludlam, former Greens candidate Ben Pennings.

    associated sources for extinction rebellion

    Jonathan Sri, Greens Councillor for The Gabba supports with free use of ratepayer- funded office for XR training meetings
    Jonathan Sri, Greens Councillor for The Gabba supports with free use of ratepayer- funded office for XR training meetings………..

    XR is using training and mentoring from Nicola Paris, the founder and coordinator of CounterAct for more than five years. For these reasons, local Extinction Rebellion organisers are taking the time to build capacity and confidence, and are adapting the organisational culture to their specific contexts. “Direct action and civil disobedience work,” she says. “It increases risk, it can delay work at critical junctures, and damages social licence. (15)

    Paris is endorsed by the following groups:

    Lock the Gate Alliance
    Lock the Gate Victoria
    350 degrees.org/ Australia
    WWF
    The Wilderness Society
    Federation of Community Legal centres
    World Vision
    CounterActXR’s tactics have caused serious economic and social disruption…………….

    SUMMARY of EXTINCTION REBELLION:
    Started in the UK
    Want to create permanent recession
    Use the principles of anarchy
    Want the breakdown of democracy and the State
    Use law breaking to achieve civil resistance
    Believe that 3.5% of population can change outcomes
    Have 374 branches in 28 countries, including 31 branches in Australia
    Have links to many left-wing political groups, refugee, indigenous and climate change groups.

    RTWT

    https://www.riteon.org.au/who-is-extinction-rebellion/

  24. Farma Gez:

    Those judges hearing the Pell appeal had better be coming up with something equivalent to the Magna Carta to justify the delay in this case.
    What the hell is going on?

    They’re basking on the French Riviera – warmed by the rays of self importance and smugness emanating from their arses.
    “A bloke has to eat in fine style, peasants.”

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for West Australian Cats.

    Seems that one John Bond is preparing long time supporters and corporate advisers for the float of arguably Perth’s biggest commercial property portfolio.” (“The West Australian” Tuesday, August 6) Bond? Sounds familiar?

  26. Mother Lode

    and an affirmative action hiring policy supported by the state government.

    I take it that ‘supported’ is a new synonym for ‘mandated’.

  27. stackja

    The Decision To Use the Atomic Bomb

    On 6 August 1945 the United States exploded an atomic bomb over Hiroshima and revealed to the world in one blinding flash the start of the atomic age. As the meaning of this explosion and the nature of the force unleashed became apparent, a chorus of voices rose in protest against the decision that opened the Pandora’s box of atomic warfare.

    The decision to use the atomic bomb was made by President Truman. There was never any doubt of that and despite the rising tide of criticism Mr. Truman took full responsibility for his action. Only recently succeeded to the Presidency after the death of Roosevelt and beset by a multitude of problems of enormous significance for the postwar world, Mr. Truman leaned heavily on the advice of his senior and most trusted advisers on the question of the bomb. But the final decision was his and his alone.
    At 0245 on 6 August, the bomb-carrying plane was airborne. Six and a half hours later the bomb was released over Hiroshima, Japan’s eighth largest city, to explode fifty seconds later at a height of about 2,000 feet. The age of atomic warfare had opened.

    Meanwhile, President Truman had authorized the use of the second bomb-the last then available. The objective was Kokura, the date 9 August. But the plane carrying the bomb failed to make its run over the primary target and hit the secondary target, Nagasaki, instead. The next day Japan sued for peace.

  28. Bruce in WA

    Seems that one John Bond is preparing long time supporters and corporate advisers for the float of arguably Perth’s biggest commercial property portfolio.” (“The West Australian” Tuesday, August 6) Bond? Sounds familiar?

    Somehow don’t think I’ll be biting into the super to invest in that one.

    Good day Mr Alan Bond, how you goin’ bloke?
    Hey, I’m your brand-new neighbour … hey, mate you got a smoke?
    And I think I’m gonna like it here
    Livin’ next door to Alan

  29. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3124759, posted on August 6, 2019 at 11:28 am

    Son of a gun?

  30. custard

    Top 40!

    G’Day classical hero if you’re lurking.

  31. Roger

    Oh Dear. Q & A caught out again

    If Morrison placed a ban on Coalition politicians appearing in this circus it would have to fold up its tent sooner or later.

    It’s sole raison d’etre is to entertain Prog-Lefties by catching any guest who doesn’t subscribe to their agenda in a gotcha moment.

  32. stackja

    NT PCYC in voluntary administration, suspends operations

    The Northern Territory Police Citizens Youth Club has gone into voluntary administration and have suspended their programs.
    WILL ZWAR, NT News
    Subscriber only

    an hour ago

    THE Northern Territory Police Citizens Youth Club has gone into voluntary administration, with operations to remain suspended initially for a three-month period.

    In a statement, PCYC president Brett Prowse said the club has been under administration for just over two weeks, since July 21.

    “During this time, the committee has undertaken a more in‑depth assessment of the club’s financial situation which has revealed that the PCYC does not have the capacity to meet current and ongoing liabilities,” he said.

    “As a result, the committee has supported the PCYC applying to go into voluntary administration.”

    Mr Prowse said current board members had been working hard to deal with a number of issues within the club since they were appointed in February this year.

    “They have exercised their powers and duties with care and diligence,” he said.

    “This includes taking steps to ensure all members are provided with activities in a safe environment by experienced instructors, and that the business is managed in a fiscally responsible manner.”

    NT Police will continue to work with the PCYC to help provide their services to the Darwin community.

    “Our police sponsor has and will continue to provide ongoing support and assistance, this is greatly appreciated,” Mr Prowse said.

    “The key focus for the PCYC moving forward remains the design of a sustainable model that provides an improved range of activities to the Darwin community, with a strong youth focus.”

  33. Mater

    I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    And they were never classified under a ‘Flora and Fauna Act’. In fact, no such act ever existed, either in State or Federal Legislation.
    Even the ABC Fact checked this and begrudgingly admitted that it is a fallacy.

    Fact check: Were Indigenous Australians classified under a flora and fauna act until the 1967 referendum?

  34. Mother Lode

    I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    I suspect that, if you had asked her what year the Flora and Fauna Act (who made up that bogus ‘law’ anyway?) was changed, this being a matter of legislation not referenda, she would have proudly declared it was during the imperium of Gough Whitlam.

  35. Beachcomber

    Gilas at 11:05 am

    Mr Colostomy-Bag putting more scuttlebut about.

    Nadler is a truly grotesque little goblin.

  36. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Extinction Rebellion. Funded anarchy.

    In the old days of 1969 they used to be called The Weathermen, or The Weathermen Underground. A group of Marxist thugs. They eventually went too far.
    So will Extinction Rebellion. Same groups, different name.

    The police and judiciary should step in now.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    I’ve seen a taxpayer funded display that perpetrated the old bullshit that Aborigines weren’t citizens, and didn’t have the vote until 1967. The young lady, attending seemed stunned to learn that some of us were alive at the time of the referendum..

  38. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    XR is using training and mentoring from Nicola Paris, the founder and coordinator of CounterAct for more than five years . . .
    Paris is endorsed by the following groups:
    Lock the Gate Alliance . . .

    Lock the Gate Alliance.
    Foundered and financed by that well known “good guy” and current darling of the Ctallaxy Crowd . . .

    Alan Jones.

  39. Dr Fred Lenin

    Maybe QA will die when snowcone goes to his natural home in communist China , the comrrades could use the money saved to put on programes about the fearfull climate disaster ,they only show it 80 per cent of the time now ,they could increase exposure and please soros and the other global fascists .

  40. Beachcomber

    This is a very clever comedy device, brilliantly written, and the two Ronnies carry it off with aplomb.
    The Two Ronnies – Mastermind
    Compare it to the witless Marxist agitprop “comedy” that we now get from the ABC.

  41. Some History

    First they came for the smokers…
    The war on smoking has set the template for state meddling in our lives.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/05/first-they-came-for-the-smokers-2/

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The FBI classified The Weathermen as a terrorist organization. How is this different to ER?
    Holding up the life of cities is also terrorism, and may cause deaths.

    These disrupters should be moved on, sidelined at the least, and if they resort to further disruptions, especially those that endanger others, then they should be charged and punished. Slaps on the wrist should not be permitted, by Parliamentary prohibition if necessary. Magistrates of the left take note.

  43. Tom

    Tucker Carlson on the shootings and America’s epidemic of fatherless young men. “This is exactly what you get in a culture where anything goes and nothing matters…”

    For some light relief at the 20-minute mark, lunatics and control freaks at the Democratic Socialists of America conference in Altanta, with commentary by Mark Steyn after an absence of several months.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    I wonder where John Bond got the money to develop such an impressive property portfolio?

    Such a mystery.

  45. C.L.

    Anglican ‘bishop’ backs extremist NSW abortion bill:

    Today’s debate comes as Anglican Bishop of Newcastle broke ranks from his state leader, urging NSW Parliamentarians to support the new abortion laws.

    In a letter to Parliament, Bishop Peter Stuart said Anglicans valued all human life, but, after careful reflection, he had decided to back the bill.

    Meanwhile … Enjoy this “Yet” by the ABC:

    Speaking at mass on Sunday, the dean of Sydney’s St Mary’s Catholic Cathedral said legalising abortion would just be “another attack on the conscience rights of Catholics”.

    Yet the President of The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Vijay Roach said abortion did not belong in the Crimes Act.

    “This is an issue of compassion, respect and health care and abortion care is part of health care,” he said.

    Abortion bill sparks heated clashes, as NSW Parliament prepares for debate.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Winston – You could try it. Keep the voltage low, use graphite if you have it – especially for the +ve terminal.

    Any metal +ve terminal will dissolve except titanium, and it will passivate and be useless (I’ve had that happen – the silvery titanium turned a beautiful shade of bright purple and cell current went to zero…).

    If you get anything deposited on the negative electrode it probably will be mainly copper. Silver too. Gold will be the least of it.

    The gold room I worked at used cyanide, but electroplated gold, silver and copper onto steel wool that was held in a plastic frame and hung from the busbar. When finished we’d pull out the metal plated steel wool, wash it, then melt it down with MnO2 and flux, then cast the alloy into blocks. After assay they’d be taken away by helicopter for refining. They had anything from 10-80% gold, with the rest silver and copper. If you get anything it will have not much gold and lots of copper.

    However.

    The most likely thing you will get is hydrogen gas. DO NOT BLOW YOURSELF UP.

    Especially if you have nickel from stainless steel contaminating the solution you can get hydrogen very easily, since nickel is a catalyst.

    EVEN WORSE:

    If there is any antimony or arsenic in the mixture they can respectively form stibine gas and arsine gas. THESE ARE HIGHLY TOXIC, especially arsine. THEY ARE THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE TOXIC THAN CYANIDE GAS. Make sure you do it in a well ventilated place. That will also help if you overdo the voltage and make chlorine at the +ve electrode (Germans used this as a war gas btw.)

    Chemistry is fun, at least for us chemistry types, but it isn’t always easy, or successful. I rate your chances at about 0.1%…

  47. C.L.

    I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    Swap out ‘Aborigines’ for ‘environmentalists’ and the act would be good to go.

  48. Fisky

    Matt Stoller

    @matthewstoller

    As with everything else, clear arguments about China and trade policy is hindered by the difficulty in telling an entire generation of boomers their careers and legacies are a gigantic dumpster fire.

  49. Some History

    Chemistry is fun, at least for us chemistry types, but it isn’t always easy, or successful. I rate your chances at about 0.1%…,/i>

    I made a chemistry joke
    but there was no reaction.

  50. C.L.

    As Twostix pointed out last night, the sudden surge of extremist abortion “rights” bills – from New York to Brisbane, from Wellington to Sussex Street – is no coincidence. There is orchestration here.

  51. Roger

    In a letter to Parliament, Bishop Peter Stuart said Anglicans valued all human life, but, after careful reflection, he had decided to back the bill.

    Bullshit.

    Stuart is a serial offender when it comes to surrendering traditional Christian teaching.

    He couldn’t wait to get on board with this.

  52. John Constantine

    https://www.ft.com/content/5d14ec1e-b53d-11e9-bec9-fdcab53d6959

    African swine fever spreading in eastern europe where swill fed backyard pigs are still used as garbage disposal units.

    Borderless travel within the european union means quarantine tight enough to control pig plague is politically not done.

  53. John Constantine


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    https://www.ft.com/content/5d14ec1e-b53d-11e9-bec9-fdcab53d6959

    the past month Romania has seen a jump in reported swine fever cases among domestic pig herds with about 300 new outbreaks reported in July, up from nearly 80 in June and 30 in January.

    The European Commission said the fight against swine fever, which is fatal for pigs but poses no threat to human health, was an “extreme and urgent challenge” because of the threat it posed to the continent’s pig herds.

    African swine fever — which was identified in Kenya in the early 1900s — has spread rapidly in China and other parts of Asia over the past year, pushing up pork prices.

    More than 4m pigs have been culled in Asia and according to some estimates China’s pig herd could halve in size from last year as a result.

    In the EU, Bulgaria has also stepped up pig culls after 18 cases were diagnosed in July while Slovakia reported its first case of the disease last month.

    The virus has not yet spread to Europe’s leading pork-producing nations, including Germany, France and the Netherlands. But Justin Sherrard, an analyst at Rabobank, said that “as seen in China and Vietnam, if the disease were to spread, it will have devastating consequences [in Europe]”.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    Low voltage means 1 or 2 volts DC. AA battery level. Do not use a 12 V battery charger. That will gasify everything, produce chrorine, hydrogen and nasties like arsine if present.

  55. Fisky

    CNBC Now

    @CNBCnow

    BREAKING: China confirms it is suspending agricultural product purchases from the U.S. in response to Trump’s new tariffs, could hit ag imports with tariffs

  56. John Constantine

    https://www.afr.com/street-talk/rural-funds-group-equity-ultimately-worthless-says-short-seller-20190805-p52dwg

    Activist short-seller Bonitas Research has taken aim at ASX-listed farm owner Rural Funds Group, saying its equity is “ultimately worthless”.
    In a detailed report released on Tuesday morning, Bonitas Research accused Rural Funds of overstating assets by 100 per cent and said the company’s reported profits since the 2017 financial year were either fabricated rental income or nn-cash gains on “dubios fair value changes”.
    Rural Funds shares were down 42 per cent to $1.36 in early Tuesday trade, before trading was halted.
    Rural Funds is a real estate property trust that owns farms producing poultry, cattle, almonds and cotton. It is listed on the ASX with about a $790 million market capitalisation.
    Bonitas is a short-seller that was founded by Matthew Weichert, who previously set up Glaucus Research.
    The report is the latest example of a short-seller running an activist campaign against an Australian company. Others include sandalwood grower Quintis – which was a Glaucus target – Blue Sky Alternative Investments Ltd and Corporate Travel Management.

  57. Bruce of Newcastle

    The ASX isn’t happy with the Chinese. Down 2.4% this morning after being down 1.9% yesterday.
    Only ASX50 companies in the green are Twiggy’s mob and Newcrest.
    And I’m surprised about FMG seeing Twiggy sells to the Chinks.

  58. Some History

    Chemistry is fun, at least for us chemistry types, but it isn’t always easy, or successful. I rate your chances at about 0.1%…

    https://imgur.com/LCCLhgB

  59. CL:

    “This is an issue of compassion, respect and health care and abortion care is part of health care,” he said.

    I hate these weasel wording hypocrites.
    Disgusting examples of humanity – exemplary examples of the collectivist hive mind.

  60. Top Ender

    As the meaning of this explosion and the nature of the force unleashed became apparent, a chorus of voices rose in protest against the decision that opened the Pandora’s box of atomic warfare.

    No they didn’t actually:

    A compiler of An Oral History of the War Years in America observed:

    I distrust people who speak of the [atom] bombings today as an atrocity they strongly opposed in 1945. …I don’t believe them. At the time virtually everyone was delighted that we dropped the bombs, not only because they shortened the war and saved thousands of American lives but also because the “Japs” deserved it for the terrible things they had done to our boys at Pearl Harbor, Bataan, Guadalcanal, and all the way through the Pacific.

    and

    George MacDonald Fraser recalled at that time: “There was certainly no moralizing, no feeling at all of the guilt which some thinkers nowadays seem to want to attach to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

    and

    Barton J. Bernstein, “The Struggle over History,” in Nobile, 202–4. For decades after the war, opinion polls demonstrated support for the decision to use the atomic bombs, often by wide margins.

    From my current research.

  61. mh

    El Paso victims (Fox News). Includes a German.

    The dead, ID’d via a handout from the medical examiner’s office, were:

    -Andre Pablo Anchondo, 23, a U.S. citizen

    -Jordan Anchondo, 24, a U.S. citizen

    -Arturo Benavidez, 60, a U.S. citizen

    -Leonard Cipeda Campos, 41, a U.S. citizen

    -Maria Flores, 77, a U.S. citizen

    -Raul Flores, 77, a U.S. citizen

    -Jorge Calvillo Garcia, 61, a Mexican citizen

    -Adolfo Cerros Hernandez, 68, a Mexican citizen

    -Alexander Gerhard Hoffman, 66, a German citizen

    -David Alvah Johnson, 63, a U.S. citizen

    -Luis Alfonso Juarez, 90, a U.S. citizen

    -Maria Eugenia Legarrega Rothe, 58, a Mexican citizen

    -Elsa Libera Marquez, 57, a U.S. citizen

    -Maribel Loya, 56, a U.S. citizen

    -Ivan Hilierto Manzano, 46, a Mexican citizen

    -Gloria Irma Marquez, 61, a Mexican citizen

    -Margie Reckard, 63, a U.S. citizen

    -Sarah Esther Regaldo Moriel, 66, a Mexican citizen

    -Javier Rodriguez, 15, of unknown nationality

    -Teresa Sanchez, 82, a Mexican citizen

    -Angelina Silva-Elisbee, 86, a U.S. citizen

    -Juan Velazquez, 77, a U.S. citizen

  62. Rae

    I ignored everything until she stated that until the 1967 referendum on aboriginal voting it was legal to shoot aboriginals as they were classified as under the flora and fauna act.

    I’ve seen a taxpayer funded display that perpetrated the old bullshit that Aborigines weren’t citizens, and didn’t have the vote until 1967. The young lady, attending seemed stunned to learn that some of us were alive at the time of the referendum..

    Lol. You old folks do like to reminisce about when the Aborigines didn’t have the vote.

    It is true that the 1967 referendum did not give the Aborigines and the Torres Strait Islanders the right to vote. But, it is also true that they didn’t have the right to vote until not long before then.

    Indigenous people in Australia were first given the right to vote in the Commonwealth elections in 1962. The Australian States then followed suit, with Queensland being the last State to give the Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders the right to vote in 1965.

  63. calli

    Those judges hearing the Pell appeal had better be coming up with something equivalent to the Magna Carta to justify the delay in this case.
    What the hell is going on?

    They are hoping he will die in custody, Gez.

  64. calli

    That would be this Lush cosmetics.

    Scum and lees. H/t Dover

  65. Infidel Tiger

    BREAKING: China confirms it is suspending agricultural product purchases from the U.S. in response to Trump’s new tariffs, could hit ag imports with tariffs

    Good luck you stupid pricks.

    You can’t even feed your people without imports or pay for food without $USD!

    This can’t and won’t end well.

  66. calli

    Today’s debate comes as Anglican Bishop of Newcastle broke ranks from his state leader, urging NSW Parliamentarians to support the new abortion laws.

    In a letter to Parliament, Bishop Peter Stuart said Anglicans valued all human life, but, after careful reflection, he had decided to back the bill.

    The reason why I will not set foot in an Anglican church in the Newcastle Diocese.

    Fear of being struck by lightning.

    Much safer hanging out with the Pressbuttons.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yolngu yell to the nation

    Paige Taylor
    Indigenous affairs correspondent
    @paigeataylor
    12:00AM August 6, 2019
    75 Comments

    “We ask you to humble yourselves. No matter how powerful or successful you think you are, out here Western success doesn’t mean anything.”

    Michael Yunupingu, the 21-year-old grandson of Gumatj clan leader Galarrwuy Yunupingu, stood on the ancient meeting ground Gulkula and welcomed a crowd dotted with corporate guests and government officials to Arnhem Land on Friday for the start of Garma, Australia’s largest indigenous cultural gathering.

    He is the same age as Garma. The festival was started by his grandfather and great-uncle — Dr M. Yunupingu — in 1999.

    Garma has become a fixture for leaders in business, politics, academe and the philanthropic world who come to help shape indigeno­us affairs policy.

    It remains a spectacular display of Yolngu art, storytelling, song and dance.

    But this is not like theatre or opera. The Yolngu are not acting. This is their traditional cultural practice and they are effectivel­y performing for their leader, Galarrwu­y.

    Each year he sits in the same spot on the edge of the Bunggul ground to watch his people dance. The place where Dr M, his brother, camped on the edge of the ­Bunggul ground is now marked by a ceremonial post.

    The Yolngu lands are in northeast Arnhem Land, an area about the size of Belgium. While 11.5 million people live in the European kingdom, the population of Arnhem Land is about 16,000.

    This is a part of Australia few experience. A select group of Aust­ralians get to see it as Garma ­volunteers.

    This year 38 volunteers put up 2500 tents, washed and dried thousands of chairs for outdoor forums, drove guests to and from Gove airport in shuttle buses, and cleaned, cleaned, cleaned.

    It is hard work, but when they are not on duty they can enjoy Australia’s premium cultural festival for free. Ticket prices this year were as high as $2503.50 each.

    From the Oz. $2500 a ticket? Seriously?

  68. C.L.

    Sexual ‘harassment’ could cause planes to crash …

    This is real:

    The safety of Australia’s air travellers could be at risk because of a toxic culture of sexual harassment, rampant bullying and discrimination in the nation’s air traffic control centres, a damning report has found.

    The report, written by respected former Federal Court justice Tony North QC, has been delivered to the board of federal agency Airservices Australia.

    “There is a serious argument to be further investigated that the Airservices Australia workplace culture … could endanger the safety of air navigation and as a result endanger the lives of air travellers,” concluded Mr North, whose almost 23-year term on the Federal Court bench ended last year.

    In response to Mr North’s report and other internal staff surveys, Airservices Australia has acknowledged the existence of workplace culture problems. It said on Monday it had asked Australia’s former sex discrimination commissioner, Elizabeth Broderick, to conduct a wide-ranging review.

    But the agency strongly rejected the assertion that its workplace culture was affecting safety, describing such claims as “false and alarmist”.

    North’s rigged report was based on a ‘survey’ that more than half of the workforce ignored:

    Mr North’s report is partly based on a January survey of 524 air traffic control workers…

    “The overall culture towards women is putrid,” noted one respondent.

    Another reported “there is a penis drawn on our chair”…

    The survey of staff was conducted by YouGov Galaxy and received responses from almost half the workforce.

    In the fake news SMH.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    WS, 11.11 am:

    Jesus Winston. Pride will take you places you don’t want to go.

    Look, we’ll have a whip round. No need to tell anyone.

    If I find out you’ve spent it on the nags, there won’t be another.

  70. Roger

    “We ask you to humble yourselves. No matter how powerful or successful you think you are, out here Western success doesn’t mean anything.”

    Was he speaking into a microphone, his voice amplified by a PA system powered by electricity or did he telepathically communicate this pearl of wisdom?

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    It looks like the massive HK protests have given Xi the willies.
    Bank bailouts have been taking place beneath the radar too.

    Chinese Bank With $100 Billion In Assets Is Bailed Out (28 July)

    The problem with running a fascist economy is you own it.

  72. Fisky

    What an absolute dickhead!

    Ben Shapiro

    @benshapiro
    ·
    5h

    If Trump is going to ask American citizens to bear the brunt of a trade war, he needs to explain the plan and the cost. Otherwise, Americans will rightly buck at the confusion as they watch their stocks decrease and their businesses struggle.

  73. ZK2A:

    Michael Yunupingu, the 21-year-old grandson of Gumatj clan leader Galarrwuy Yunupingu, stood on the ancient meeting ground Gulkula and welcomed a crowd dotted with corporate guests and government officials to Arnhem Land on Friday for the start of Garma, Australia’s largest indigenous cultural gathering.

    You are witnessing the establishment of Aboriginal Royalty.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Shapiro is absolute scum. Most Americans own zero stocks.

    Only an insular pygmy with hands as soft as butter would think like that.

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    Zulu, just now;

    ‘Out here Western success doesn’t mean anything’

    Said the 21 year old scion of the most freeloading Australian family since the Paxtons, and who lives in a massive multi-storey mansion built in the Western style, bought and paid for with cash from a Western government and topped by more cash from Western mining companies and who lives off interest from Western banks while his counterparts less than a kilometre away are reduced to gaining warmth by hugging dying camp dogs.

  76. Rafe Champion

    Lowlying Pacific atolls resolutely grow despite (very slow) rising sea level.

    This paper confirms earlier research by the same scientists in which, using aerial photos beginning in 1943 to track changes to the 101 islands that make up the Tuvalu archipelago, they found the islands’ land area grew by 2.9 percent or approximately 73.5 hectares over the past 40 years, even as sea levels rose.

    Tuck, the lead author, says these two sets of findings show low-lying islands are more dynamic and resilient than is commonly assumed. Tuck said in a news release discussing the Geology paper:

    “Atoll islands do not sit inert on the reef, instead the gravel and sand they are made up of shifts on the reef itself so that the land changes in response to environmental conditions,”

  77. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    This is a part of Australia few experience. A select group of Aust­ralians get to see it as Garma ­volunteers.

    When I was in Gove 2006 – 2009 Garma was pretty much a women’s only affair. I don’t mean “secret women’s business”, I mean “blokes couldn’t gibe a stuff and went down the yacht club for a beer instead” business.

    It cracked maybe one or two pics and a three paragraph by-line in the local rag.

  78. John64

    Blot poses a reasonable question:

    IS ABC’S PAUL BARRY A LIAR OR BLITHERING IDIOT?

    I was not aware the two options were mutually exclusive.

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    Most Americans own zero stocks.

    Because global warming.
    Young people blame climate change for their small 401(k) balances (5 Aug)
    It’s ok millenials. The Democrats will look after you (roflmao).

  80. Knuckel Dregger:

    Jesus Winston. Pride will take you places you don’t want to go.
    Look, we’ll have a whip round. No need to tell anyone.
    If I find out you’ve spent it on the nags, there won’t be another.

    I’m just playing with the stuff, mate. You know – bloke stuff.
    For my next trick I’m going to see if a dozen fire alarm batteries connected in series will be enough to make steel wool ignite.
    If you’ve got a spare $20, put it on Michelle being the Democrat nominee this election. Beteasy is giving 101:1 odds. Probably – most likely – you’ll do your dough but the payout will be nice if the dark horse gets in.

    (Did ya see what I did there?)

  81. Roger

    This paper confirms earlier research by the same scientists in which, using aerial photos beginning in 1943 to track changes to the 101 islands that make up the Tuvalu archipelago, they found the islands’ land area grew by 2.9 percent or approximately 73.5 hectares over the past 40 years, even as sea levels rose.

    This does not bode well for Tuvalu’s plans to sue Australia for causing them to sink into the Pacific.

  82. I made a chemistry joke
    but there was no reaction.

    I have a solution for that.

  83. Geriatric Mayfly

    Knox Grammar in the news for the wrong reasons. Is nice Mr Scott still in the governing hierarchy? And what of the plank in Pyrot Pete’s eye when it comes to his hallowed alma mater?

  84. Farmer Gez

    Thanks for the Imagur Some History.
    The one about Marie Curie looking more radiant cracked me up. Very witty.

  85. Infidel Tiger

    Absolutely incredible.

    Nearly all the media backing China and telling Trump to bend the knee to these fascist thieves.

    Fairfax is frothing like a rabid dog in a soap powder factory.

  86. Some History

    I made a chemistry joke
    but there was no reaction.
    I have a solution for that.

    I’m just not good atom.
    🙂

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You are witnessing the establishment of Aboriginal Royalty.

    I’ll bet good money on a seat on any “Voice.”

  88. Infidel Tiger

    Essential viewing:

    Real Vision

    Verified account

    @realvision
    9h9 hours ago
    More
    Is the Hong Kong Dollar Peg about to break and unleash a wave of global deflation? Watch @Jkylebass predict the current currency issues back in May. This may be the beginning of a global currency war. Is there something more pernicious lurking underneath? https://rvtv.io/2ZzwuVx

    Ponzi!

  89. Bruce of Newcastle

    The one about Marie Curie looking more radiant cracked me up.

    She’s the only chemist to die of something that was named after her.
    Curie

  90. Tom

    FMD. On Their Sky, ageing luvvee Paul Kelly says Trump is “erratic” and his war with the Chinks is doing “grave damage” to world trade.

    How fucking ignorant is this idiot? What doesn’t he understand about the lawlessness of communist China, its theft of American IP and its gaming of WTO rules?

  91. old bloke

    If you’ve got a spare $20, put it on Michelle being the Democrat nominee this election.

    No, it will make a run in 2024. The battle of the two Mike’s, Mike Pence vs. Mike Robinson.

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For historically minded Cats – Geoffrey Blainey’s new memoirs “Before Forget” are damnfine reading – social history at it’s best.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Before I Forget” FFS…

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    Marie Curie wiki:

    Because of their levels of radioactive contamination, her papers from the 1890s are considered too dangerous to handle.[76] Even her cookbook is highly radioactive.[77] Her papers are kept in lead-lined boxes, and those who wish to consult them must wear protective clothing.[77]

    She was a really serious chemist.

  95. Dr Faustus

    Matt Canavan pulls on the Turnbull skin suit and unleashes the Coalition’s inner totalitarian:

    Federal Government to consider domestic gas reserve to force down prices

    Resources Minister Matt Canavan announced the Commonwealth would formally examine a domestic gas reservation scheme in Western Australia, where he said consumers paid some of the most affordable gas prices in the world.

    “Imitation’s the best form of flattery and what we’re seeking to do is imitate the best things about what is working in the west and possible apply it to eastern Australia,” he said.

    They are hunting for $3/GJ gas.
    They have been told why the Eastern Australia industry is different to WA.
    They will discover the geological, engineering, economic, and political complexities by experiential learning.

  96. C.L.

    IS ABC’S PAUL BARRY A LIAR OR BLITHERING IDIOT?

    Exactly, John. He can be both.

  97. Infidel Tiger

    FMD. On Their Sky, ageing luvvee Paul Kelly says Trump is “erratic” and his war with the Chinks is doing “grave damage” to world trade.

    Kelly has been wrong on every major issue for 60 years.

    Making China kiss our dicks can be Trump’s legacy for a a century to come.

  98. C.L.

    Absolutely incredible.
    Nearly all the media backing China and telling Trump to bend the knee to these fascist thieves.
    Fairfax is frothing like a rabid dog in a soap powder factory.

    These are the craziest of days.
    Before Elma Fudd Mueller fell to pieces, leftist media jihadists were still at war with Wussia. In fact, it’s no exaggeration to say the Democrats and the media wanted a war with Wussia.
    But tyrannical communist shithole China? LEAVE CHINA ALONE!!!! they cry.

  99. Infidel Tiger

    Kyle Bass

    Verified account

    @Jkylebass
    5h5 hours ago
    More Kyle Bass Retweeted Stratfor
    US MUST secondarily sanction all chinese banks that process payments for the world’s largest terror sponsor. @stevenmnuchin1 @realDonaldTrump @USTradeRep #weholdallthecards

    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1158500880095809537

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Germans complain they are being kept up at night by noisy hedgehogs having hours-long sex

    Germany emergency services being called out to loud night-time disturbances
    Increasingly these are turning out to be hedgehogs mating in gardens
    Their mating season usually runs between April and the beginning of September

    Daily Mail.

  101. C.L.

    Absolutely incredible.
    Nearly all the media backing China and telling Trump to bend the knee to these fascist thieves.
    Fairfax is frothing like a rabid dog in a soap powder factory.

    These are the craziest of days.
    Before Elma Fudd Mueller fell to pieces, leftist media ji-had-ists were still at war with Wussia. In fact, it’s no exaggeration to say the Democrats and the media wanted a war with Wussia.
    But tyrannical communist shit-hole China? LEAVE CHINA ALONE!!!! they cry.

  102. Mother Lode

    Hi Cardimona,

    I saw your response to my post yesterday and decided not to post a response that would evaporate into the ether when the new thread appeared because it is something you clearly feel strongly about.

    My original point was that you will make no progress posing an argument the first premise of which the other person disagrees. You need to start from ideas that they will accept.

    You might ask them if they always thought unborn children were inhuman? If not then how and when did they come to change their minds?

    You could ask them when does a person become a person. Parturition? Why? What happens there that suddenly imbues humanity? Is it consciousness? Volition? Capable of independent existence? People in comas on life support machines have less consciousness and movement than an embryo, and neither can survive without their life support. Euthanasia is only ever talked about for people in extreme pain (which the embryo is not) or where their is no hope of becoming conscious again (also not true of an embryo). Would it make sense to allow switching off life support machines of comatose patients if their continued existence posed some kind of inconvenience?

    For people who think more abstractly: The future is purely notional. Entirely potential. It doesn’t actually exist. The future of an unborn baby is real as the future of a person after they are born. We would leap to save the life (i.e. the future, not the biological mechanics) of another person and hope they would do the same for us. We intuitively value this future, so why would we not value that of the unborn’s?

    People who see themselves as rational might have logic, but be light on facts. The image generally presented is that the abortion is performed and the mother just returns to her life. It would be worth compiling information from credible sources regarding rates of depression or other psychological problems, side effects, spikes in subsequent medical problems (short term and long term), etc. They might want to consider that for all they say about themselves the industry is in the business of sustaining itself. If they believe that pharmaceutical companies parse the truth to defend their preserve their existence, might not abortion providers and related groups do the same?

    What line you take depends on who you are talking too obviously. Obviously too the above is not meant to be infallible or exhaustive. Merely an illustration of my thinking regarding lines of argument that might work by ‘cooperating’ with the person you are addressing.

    In the case of letters to the editor you would most likely be responding to something already raised publicly, such as by a politician or a frightbat, or a bowl of vomit (I am assured there is a distinction).

    Anyway, those are just some thoughts.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    Resources Minister Matt Canavan announced the Commonwealth would formally examine a domestic gas reservation scheme in Western Australia, where he said consumers paid some of the most affordable gas prices in the world.

    Great idea.

    It’s why WA still has affordable energy.

    The neo-liberal fraud is over. Time to start acting local.

  104. Mother Lode

    Absolutely incredible.
    Nearly all the media backing China and telling Trump to bend the knee to these fascist thieves.

    During the Cold War the MSM was more or less united in its belief that the Russians would (or had) won.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    Trump needs to remove the sanctions on Russia.

    The Russkis have as much at stake as us in bringing China to heel.

    A multi-pronged rogering is what they deserve.

  106. BrettW

    Elizabeth Broderick to investigate the workplace culture of the Air Traffic Controllers. She has previous experience looking into the ADF and Police.

    Simple. The report will identify the solutions as :

    Set target of 50% female within a short timeframe.

    Prioritise recruiting women over men to achieve 50% target even though male candidates may be better qualified.

    Give women choice as to place and hours of work. Priority over their male colleagues.

    Allow women to work part time to take care of family.

    Accelerate promotion for women to get more at the senior levels. Time spent away from work for maternity and no paid leave etc to still count as equal work experience to the male colleague who spent that time on the job.

    Whilst providing for a caring and flexible female work environment ensure their male colleagues cover their long absences even though their workplace is working under strength.

    Rinse and repeat.

  107. Infidel Tiger

    Kyle Bass

    Verified account

    @Jkylebass
    Aug 2

    Are “stocks” the proper barometer of global policies that have come to infect national security? The myopia of today’s commentators misses the larger point. We are attempting a global reset against constant IP theft, industrial espionage, murderous human rights behavior 1/

    Ecological terrorism in the South China Sea, and an aggressive military build in the SCS(counter to the lie xi told in the White House rose garden with President Obama).We, as the leaders of the free world must either deal with the pain of discipline today or the pain of regret 2

    Tomorrow. These actions can’t be judged by the stock market on a daily basis. Our long-term national security is at risk here…and dealing with china’s criminal acts in the US, their murderous live harvesting of organs from political or religious prisoners 3

    https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1157269581758681088

  108. DrBeauGan

    I’m out of Cuba on the 11th September. This is a month earlier than originally planned, but it saves me from going to the Dominican Republic or Cancun. I’m getting better cigars in Cuba than I’ll get in either. I’m not allowed to take many boxes out of the country for some inscrutable reason. And I’d have to pay extortionate duty getting them into Oz anyway. Harrumph.

  109. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    She was a really serious chemist.

    Positively glowed with enthusiasm.

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    They are hunting for $3/GJ gas.

    Current east Oz gas price is $8.85/GJ. US price is US$2.09.
    (The latter may be in MMBTU, but a MMBTU is 1.055 GJ, so roughly the same.)

    I’m amused that SA’s wholesale electricity price is currently -$3.09. Ain’t subsidies grand?

  111. Tom:

    FMD. On Their Sky, ageing luvvee Paul Kelly says Trump is “erratic” and his war with the Chinks is doing “grave damage” to world trade.
    How fucking ignorant is this idiot? What doesn’t he understand about the lawlessness of communist China, its theft of American IP and its gaming of WTO rules?

    Not to worry, Tom.
    When and if the shit hits the fan, we will know where some peoples loyalties lie.
    Remember Mao’s “Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom…”?

  112. notafan

    In a letter to Parliament, Bishop Peter Stuart said Anglicans valued all human life, but, after careful reflection, he had decided to back the bill.

    Don’t you love the word ‘but’

    all human life but for the human life he doesn’t value

  113. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I’m out of Cuba on the 11th September.

    It’s okay arsehole. Take as long as you want.
    The longer the better, in fact.

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here you go Some History:

    Chemistry Cat

    Chemistry Cat, also known as Science Cat, is a series of puns and science jokes appearing as captions around a cat who is behind some chemistry glassware and who is wearing black-rimmed glasses and a red bow tie. This gallery contains the best of the Chemistry Cat meme.

    Rumor has it that the image that started it all was an old Russian stock photo. Caption your own Chemistry Cat using the Chemistry Cat Caption Generator at memegenerator.net.

    There are zillions.

  115. C.L.

    Elizabeth Broderick to investigate the workplace culture of the Air Traffic Controllers. She has previous experience looking into the ADF and Police.

    Brett, yes we’ve seen this trick multiple times. Here are the seven steps:

    Step 1: conduct a rigged, dodgy “survey” that hardly anybody answers.
    Step 2: doctor the “results” to show “majority” (of the fewer than 40 percent of the cohort who replied) have been “harassed”
    Step 3: send these “results” to Fairfax and the ABC
    Step 4: wait for Fairfax and the ABC to pressure the relevant organisation
    Step 5: Elizabeth Broderick is wheeled out to make “recommendations”
    Step 6: publish “recommendations” – which invariably call for unqualified, sub-par and preferably lesbian women to take over the organisation
    Step 7: wait for the bridges to fall down or – in this case – the planes to crash

  116. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Man goes into hospital for botox and leaves with circumcision after NHS blunder

    numbies r u ok?

  117. Infidel Tiger

    Man goes into hospital for botox and leaves with circumcision after NHS blunder

    That’s one way to get rid of wrinkles.

  118. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth Broderick “

    There’s a lot I could say and write about Broderick…none of it complimentary.

  119. Brettw:

    Elizabeth Broderick to investigate the workplace culture of the Air Traffic Controllers. She has previous experience looking into the ADF and Police.

    Yep – all the points you mention, then she can move on to why men are suiciding in record numbers, why men are feeling disenfranchised.

  120. Some History

    She was a really serious chemist.

    And we can’t forget Professor Simpson.

    https://imgur.com/htgLKqp

  121. Dr Fred Lenin

    In the USA, we must ban weapons they kill people ,also we must promote Abortion untill full term ,it is a womans right to commit infantcide . No one thinks this is hypocritical on the communist left side .
    Shooting is murder ,late term abortion is good ? If a child is full term aborting it is murder and anyone who helps is an accomplice ,end of story. Bring back capital punishment for proven murder with no doubts about guilt ,how do you like that comrade ?

  122. Mother Lode

    I distrust people who speak of the [atom] bombings today as an atrocity they strongly opposed in 1945. …I don’t believe them. At the time virtually everyone was delighted that we dropped the bombs, not only because they shortened the war and saved thousands of American lives but also because the “Japs” deserved it for the terrible things they had done to our boys at Pearl Harbor, Bataan, Guadalcanal, and all the way through the Pacific.

    A true progressive believes that every one that has ever lived, whether looking down on their dead children taken from them by plague, or defending their farm against barbarians, travelling across continents looking for somewhere to peg out a home, stashing weapons in their barn to use against an invading force, who sacrificed their lives for their beliefs, would have made better decisions if they read the Herald over a free-trade soy-latte in an urban cafe.

  123. DrBeauGan

    Maria has suggested I buy a house in Cuba for around 40,000 cuc. Roughly $60,000. I pointed out that the Cuban government might object to my doing this, and she suggested that the answer was to marry a Cuban girl. Not mentioning any names.

    If I were to marry Maria she’d shag me to death within six months. And inherit my millions. Of course, there are worse ways to go, but I’d prefer a longer life with less exertion. Call me lazy. Or just prudent.

  124. C.L.

    That’s the dichotomy du jour, Fred.
    Mass shootings bad. Mass baby killings good.

  125. Dr Faustus

    The neo-liberal fraud is over. Time to start acting local.

    Yes, indeed.
    Queensland must tell the thriving parasites in NSW, Victoria and SA to pay the going rate, or fuck right off.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    DrB just passed his “this apple tastes nice test”.

  127. Old School Conservative

    I rate your chances at about 0.1%…

    Chances of recovering gold…..or blowing himself up?

  128. C.L.

    The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the worst war crimes in human history.
    They were also the worst acts of cowardice in human history.

    For decades after the war, opinion polls demonstrated support for the decision to use the atomic bombs, often by wide margins.

    Yes, opinion polls. Always a reliable moral guide.

  129. Fred

    I was reading the roundup of the Ashes test.

    One reason put forward for the poor umpiring was a lack of diversity. The ICC umpires panel has no women.

    Although the man making all the mistakes is a black West Indian.

    The politically correct are never satisfied.

  130. Some History

    Lowlying Pacific atolls resolutely grow despite (very slow) rising sea level.

    Greta not happy. Greta sad.

  131. Knuckle Dragger

    The Broderick air traffic controller thing.

    This is, of course, the fault of lazy women.

    If they’d bothered to draw vaginas on chairs like normal people, the issue would never have been raised.

  132. DrBeauGan

    DrB just passed his “this apple tastes nice test”.

    Adam was pussy whipped. A woose. If he’d thought it through, the fall would have been female only.

  133. Mother Load:

    A true progressive believes that every one that has ever lived, whether looking down on their dead children taken from them by plague, or defending their farm against barbarians, travelling across continents looking for somewhere to peg out a home, stashing weapons in their barn to use against an invading force, who sacrificed their lives for their beliefs, would have made better decisions if they read the Herald over a free-trade soy-latte in an urban cafe.

    Thank you for the insight.
    Straight to the poolroom.
    No accreditation, of course.

  134. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Queensland must tell the thriving parasites in NSW, Victoria and SA to pay the going rate, or fuck right off.

    If we hadn’t “locked the gate”** on CSG exploration and utilisation, we’d have so much gas now we could be exporting the stuff to the four corners of the earth by now, as well as powering the entire nation for mere cents per kilowatt.

    .
    ** – With full credit to Alan Jones, Creator and principal financier of “Lock the Gate Alliance”, and supporter of “XR Rebellion”.

  135. Doctor Fowstus:

    Queensland must tell the thriving parasites in NSW, Victoria and SA to pay the going rate, or fuck right off.

    The situation where we have surplus power is correcting itself, Doc.
    We are moving to 50% renewabulls.

  136. CL:

    The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the worst war crimes in human history.
    They were also the worst acts of cowardice in human history.

    I believe they were legitimate military targets, the same as Dresden, London, Manchester, Moscow, Hamburg, and Berlin.
    However I’m not going to enter into a fruitless discussion over it because these are matters of opinion, not fact.

  137. Ivan Denisovich

    We are moving to 50% renewabulls.

    If you were determined to visit as much suffering and death upon native fauna as possible, you’d be hard pressed to find a more effective instrument of destruction than a greenie organisation like Extinction Rebellion. Green theology has delivered not only these sorts of outcomes

    Over time, the emerging green movement started to pressure politicians and slowly the burnoffs faded. In the case of the Lemon Tree Brigade, burnoffs dwindled from an annual average of 15 in the 1970s to nine in the ’80s down to a mere two or three in the decade of the ’90s to just one or two per annum after the turn of the century. Something had to give and it did.

    In 1993 we saw uncontrollable firestorms rake the area, with the loss of a house, a factory and the incineration of a 60-strong koala colony.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2014/10/burn/

    but also these renewabulls killing fields:

    In India, researchers found that areas with wind farms revealed a 75 per cent decline in the number of buzzards, hawks and kites, compared with those areas without wind farms. Wind turbines act as the new apex predator, killing birds of prey and creating a ripple effect down the food chain.

    A two-year study by wildlife charity Max Birdlife, partly supported by the Walney Extension Offshore Wind Farm Project, revealed a 40 per cent decline in the numbers of sea birds around the Irish Sea, which is home to the 189 wind-turbine Walney Extension, currently the world’s largest offshore wind farm, and Gwynt y Môr, the world’s fourth largest offshore wind farm, with 160 wind turbines.

    In 2016, in the United States, the Obama administration created regulations to allow killing of the protected species of bald or golden eagles at a rate of up to 4,200 per company that operated wind turbines.

    The Global Warming Policy Foundation produced a paper entitled, “The Impact of Wind Energy on Wildlife and the Environment” and pointed to the problem in various jurisdictions where the protected status of landscapes did not extend to wind-farm developments in those areas, and the evidence of collusion between the wind industry and planners.

    The foundation cites studies estimating that about 1,200 billion, or 5 per cent, of Germany’s migratory insects are killed by the spinning blades of wind turbines, and the fact that new technology had to be developed to clean the blades to prevent power losses. The German Wildlife Foundation’s ongoing research is looking into an estimated 75 per cent decrease in flying insects in the last 20 years. Germany averages one wind turbine every 2.6 kilometres, totalling 29,000 in number.

    The paper cites a study by Smallwood (2013) that estimates 573,000 bird fatalities each year (including 83,000 raptors) due to collision with turbine blades for the 51,630 megawatts of installed wind-energy capacity in the U.S. in 2012.

    A study of bird numbers on completion and 6½ years after the construction of a wind farm in southern Spain showed that the numbers of non-raptors had significantly declined, while raptors recovered to slightly lower numbers than pre-construction.

    The Norwegian island of Smola boasted a large population of sea eagles. Despite ornithologists warning against constructing a wind farm there, it went ahead, and 60 sea eagles have collided with the wind turbine blades in the last 16 years.

    The paper also references the case of the Altamont Pass, near San Francisco in California, U.S., where a wind farm was built, against the advice of ornithologists. Seventy-five to 110 golden eagles are killed by turbine blades at that location annually.

    Birds of prey seem to be over-represented in a study of 46 wind farms in Germany in which researchers walked 7,700 kilometres underneath a total of 12,800 wind turbines over a three-month period. They found that, while birds of prey and geese accounted for only 2 per cent of live sightings, they comprised almost one-third of corpses sighted.

    Bat mortality rates due to wind turbines range between 0.6 and 11 annual deaths per MW of installed capacity in Europe, the U.S. and Canada. In Germany, an estimated 10 to 12 bats are killed per wind turbine.

    One calls to mind the widespread weeping and gnashing of teeth over the BP oil spill’s effect upon birds in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reported that 2,303 visibly oiled dead birds were collected “within the Deepwater Horizon/BP incident impact area”. Why has there been no outcry over the estimated 2.9 million birds that have been killed by wind turbines in the U.S. since then?

    The 392-megawatt Ivanpah concentrated solar thermal plant in California, the world’s largest in 2014, is said to be responsible for a bird dying every two minutes (up to 28,000 a year). They are being fried as they fly past the 427-degree solar rays focused on a receiving tower, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=58649

    Well done, greenies.

  138. Rococo Liberal

    That’s the dichotomy du jour, Fred.
    Mass shootings bad. Mass baby killings good.

    That is a brilliant comment

  139. Luke

    So a few dozen protestors from Extinction Rebellion are blocking intersections in Brisbane. So people who are convinced that man made carbon emissions are killing the planet are out there causing people to sit in traffic….causing more man made carbon emission than would otherwise have happened.
    I had to get a taxi into to work today instead of the bus and my colleague spent an extra hour in his car getting in.

  140. notafan

    Very noticeable here that montynumberwang are livid with fury about a relatively small number of gun deaths (and blame us for them) but loudly supportive of the right to kill the unborn by the hundreds of thousands.

    Speaking of the unborn

    I just had coffee with my mother who was telling me stories of women who didn’t know they were pregnant until they gave birth, one of whom had her baby on the bridge at Marysville.

    Just amazing.

  141. calli

    I made a chemistry joke
    but there was no reaction.

    I have a solution for that.

    What a weak retort.

  142. Mother Lode

    I made a chemistry joke
    but there was no reaction.

    I have a solution for that.

    What a weak retort.

    In my experience, if you make it really basic you will get a big laupH.

  143. calli

    They were also the worst acts of cowardice in human history.

    Really?

    I would rate flying four planes loaded with innocents into buildings slightly higher.

    And possibly more far reaching.

  144. Shy Ted

    If I were to marry Maria she’d shag me to death within six months.
    Not necessarily, wedding cake is well known to dampen down a wife’ exual appetite by 90%+. Ask anyone.

  145. Fred

    Have you noticed how The Ashes have now been rebranded as the Men’s Ashes.

  146. Tintarella di Luna

    There’s a lot I could say and write about Broderick…none of it complimentary.

    Listhping Litthy such a useless bint.

  147. Tintarella di Luna

    Not necessarily, wedding cake is well known to dampen down a wife’ exual appetite by 90%+. Ask anyone.

    Wedding cake a powerful contraceptive, I still have some in my freezer

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    We are moving to 50% renewabulls.

    If you were determined to visit as much suffering and death upon native fauna as possible, you’d be hard pressed to find a more effective instrument of destruction than a greenie organisation like Extinction Rebellion.

    Da.

    Collapse of Wind Power Threatens Germany’s Green Energy Transition (26 July)

    The expansion of wind power in the first half of this year collapsed to its lowest level since the introduction of the Renewable Energy Act (EEG) in 2000. All in all, just 35 wind turbines were build with an output of 231 megawatts. “This corresponds to a decline of 82 percent compared to the already weak period of the previous year”, according to the German Wind Energy Association (BWE) in Berlin.

    The reasons for the slump in new construction figures are manifold. Unlike in the past too low subsidies for wind power is not the cause this time. “It’s not about the money,” said Albers: “The energy transition is being slowed down on a small scale.”

    The most important cause lies in the legal resistance of wildlife and forest conservationists fighting new wind farms. The BWE President referred to an industry survey of the onshore wind agency. According to its findings, more than 70 percent of the legal objections are based on species conservation, especially the threat to endangered bird species and bats.

    Bob Brown’s road to Damascus moment doesn’t seem to be unique. German renewable electricity generation reached 36.2% in 2017 according to the wiki. That’s a long way short of 50%, seeing that no one builds hydroelectric dams anymore.

  149. Mother Lode

    Wedding cake a powerful contraceptive, I still have some in my freezer

    I love the convention in TV shows where the difference between a woman prior to marriage and after marriage is reflected in hair style – after marriage the long hair is cut utilitarian short.

  150. stackja

    C.L.
    #3124886, posted on August 6, 2019 at 2:19 pm

    Imperial Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
    USA wasn’t in the mood, for anything, but for unconditional surrender.
    Australian nurses were starving, Japanese guards didn’t care.
    The Bomb saved many Japanese lives.

  151. johanna

    dover_beach
    #3124505, posted on August 6, 2019 at 12:26 am

    Do lefties like anything more than killing babies

    No.

    Yep, this is the kind of balanced, sensible political discourse that we should encourage, and that will win the hearts and minds of the masses come election time.

    The only thing that stops Dover from a bit of healthful self-flagellation is that the smell of the blood would interfere with the odour of sanctimony – although the sound might also mask that of the shifting of goalposts.

  152. Rafiki redux

    Beaugan, you are a dill. Post marriage to Maria you’d be lucky to get a happy ending. InTime to be wary mate. Expectations might be diverging dangerously. In C19, you would be at risk if a breach of promise suit. Does Cuba have such a law?

  153. notafan

    I watched the Dead Sea Diving Resort after it was mentioned here.

    Was a bit disappointed

    seemed to be a vehicle for Chris Evans and only Chris Evans, Michael Kenneth Williams’ (a great actor) character was an embarrassing nonentity of the old school token black type, with really terrible lines and the angsty scenes between Evans and his three fingered friend were tedious. ‘its all about you Yes its all about me’

    And no one could doubt that a small platoon of Sudanese soldiers would not have noticed one of their numbers were missing because all black people look the same or something.

    And the ending when the six white characters were desperately throwing out plane seats while well over one hundred Ethiopians looked helplessly on.

    Bases on an amazing event it was merely mediocre.

  154. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How fucking ignorant is this idiot? What doesn’t he understand about the lawlessness of communist China, its theft of Americaneveryone’s IP and its gaming of WTO rules?

    covfefe!

  155. BrettW

    I know it might be a silly question but does Cuba have any interesting tourist or historical sites other than Maria or the local restaurant.

    Asking for a friend who does not smoke cigars.

  156. Dr Fred Lenin

    The atomic bombs shortened the war by a very long time ,saving millions of lives ,had the allies invaded Japan the Japs would have fought fanatically killing many invaders ,,the invaders would have mercilessly bombed hell out if every city ,town and village inJapan to destroy the Jap army infrasructure ,costing millions of deaths . The Jap leaders were finally convinced they had lost the war they had started by the total destruction of the two cities ,there were plenty more atomic bonbs to unload on them ,and surrender became inevitable .
    Just an historical story , My Dad was a prisoner in Nagasaki when the omb dropped ,the prisoners were working in a mine thus avoiding the blast ,their camp was levelled and they had to camp in the mine untill liberation bu US troops . Radiation did not stop him from living to be 92 when he died of an age related coronary ).
    Suppose this shows underground shelter in nuclear attacks works

  157. notafan

    And no one could doubt that a small platoon of Sudanese soldiers would not have noticed one of their numbers were missing because all black people look the same or something.

    oh and naturally the Sudanese soldier was killed bare handed by the only female in the group, again while helpless Ethiopian men looked on.

  158. Winston Smith
    #3124867, posted on August 6, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    ……………..When and if the shit hits the fan, we will know where some peoples loyalties lie.

    Exactly. Dastyari is only the tip of the iceberg.

  159. Mater

    I know it might be a silly question but does Cuba have any interesting tourist or historical sites other than Maria or the local restaurant.

    Bob was pretty fond of the “cheerful scholar” (sic) and the AK47 toting police.

  160. cohenite

    These recent US shootings are entirely caused by the left. No question.

  161. lotocoti

    Elizabeth Broderick to investigate the workplace culture of the Air Traffic Controllers.

    I don’t know, but I’ve been told, Air Services Australia is so misogynistic, that they didn’t immediately grant maternity leave to the non- baby bearing half of a same sex couple.
    The h8rs.

  162. cohenite

    The left say shrillary won the popular vote by about 2.5 million. Expert questioned by Cruz says google and spacechook interference turned 2.6 million votes shrillary’s way:

  163. Indolent

    Expert questioned by Cruz says google and spacechook interference turned 2.6 million votes shrillary’s way

    And that doesn’t count the out and out cheating and multiple voting.

  164. Mark from Melbourne

    The left say shrillary won the popular vote by about 2.5 million. Expert questioned by Cruz says google and spacechook interference turned 2.6 million votes shrillary’s way:

    I just don’t get this.

    It “really” should have been x votes, but because Google, FB and Co were mean, it was actually y votes.

    This is just the mirror image of “all those deplorables have no idea and that’s why they voted for Brexit/Trump/[insert name here]”.

    They all voted, taking into account all the information they had to hand. Limited though that may be according to my view. But a vote’s a vote. So long as we all get one, and only one, seems to me this sort of complaint is just pointless.

    Which is not to say that Google et al ought not to be stripped of their exemption from the common rules of publishing. I think that that simple change (accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth, no doubt) would solve the censorship problem overnight.

    This sort of post hoc whinge is just sad.

  165. Dr Faustus

    They are hunting for $3/GJ gas.
    Current east Oz gas price is $8.85/GJ. US price is US$2.09.

    About 80% of the current East Coast gas reserves are in Queensland CSG.
    With the production from high deliverability areas now well in decline, the average cost of CSG production is about $5/GJ. Due to the nature of the resource and the CSG extraction process, the marginal cost of production is higher than the average cost – currently something like $8/GJ+ (beyond small incremental volumes).

    The Queensland marginal cost will increase significantly over the next few years as lower permeability, higher cost areas are brought into production. Good luck finding $3/GJ gas in there.

    Most of the rest is conventional gas in the offshore Gippsland basin. The cost/marginal cost of gas production is way lower there, thanks to conventional sandstone reservoirs and the hefty LPG/condensate credits. They could easily deliver quantities of domestic gas at $3/GJ ex Longford.

    But, good luck persuading Esso/BHPP to subsidise the Australian domestic gas industry.

    Beyond that: shale gas and tight/basin-centred gas. All waiting for subsidies, guaranteed offtakes and distressed electricity generation pricing.

  166. notafan

    This is just the mirror image of “all those deplorables have no idea and that’s why they voted for Brexit/Trump/[insert name here]”.

    And/or Russian whisperers

  167. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    C.L.
    #3124797, posted on August 6, 2019 at 12:10 pm

    As Twostix pointed out last night, the sudden surge of extremist abortion “rights” bills – from New York to Brisbane, from Wellington to Sussex Street – is no coincidence. There is orchestration here.

    For sure.

    Look, the only way might be a downward spiral. Until people know what post-natal abortions are, they’re going to be too afraid to attack abortion of any kind because women & muh misogyny.

  168. dover_beach

    Yep, this is the kind of balanced, sensible political discourse that we should encourage, and that will win the hearts and minds of the masses come election time.

    Note how Johanna ignores my sober commentary re abortion and chooses rather to vent in an hysterical manner to my banter with IT.

    No doubt, she has no problem with the NSW abortion bill.

  169. Lysander

    Two strange things… McGowan Government is rushing in Euthanasia laws. Why the rush? Wants to pass them by years’ end.

    Second, the laws seemed to have been drafted before the final report was given to the Premier.

    Again, why the rush?

  170. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    chillout time

  171. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Infidel Tiger
    #3124827, posted on August 6, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    Shapiro is absolute scum. Most Americans own zero stocks.

    Only an insular pygmy with hands as soft as butter would think like that.

    About half of working-age Americans have 401k accounts in the least.

  172. Infidel Tiger

    About half of working-age Americans have 401k accounts in the least.

    So you agree that most Americans do not own stocks.

    Would have been easier to say nothing, but you are hell bent on being a fool.

  173. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    LOL

    The old rope a dope.

    https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/sep/18/ro-khanna/what-percentage-americans-own-stocks/

    “A once-every-three-years study by the Federal Reserve Board found that in 2016, 51.9 percent of families owned stocks, either directly or as part of a fund.

    And in 2017, Gallup found that 54 percent of respondents owned stocks either directly or as part of a fund.

    Those findings show a majority owning stocks — a modest majority, but still a majority.”

  174. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    “US Treasury declares China a currency manipulator…”

    People in gla….oh well. I guess Trump (God) means that quantitative easing never happened.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    “A once-every-three-years study by the Federal Reserve Board found that in 2016, 51.9 percent of families owned stocks, either directly or as part of a fund.

    And in 2017, Gallup found that 54 percent of respondents owned stocks either directly or as part of a fund.

    Those findings show a majority owning stocks — a modest majority, but still a majority.”

    Once again we see the morally debased and econometric obsessed bugmen fraud in action.

    Note the trickery used here: “majority of respondents” and “majority of families”.

    No, the majority of Americans own zero stocks and couldn’t give a fuck about the DOW. They could however give a fuck about the outsourcing of jobs and the American dream to a fascist ponzi prison camp.

    You and lil’ Ben Shapiro should be very badly beaten.

  176. Dr Fred Lenin

    If the greens are so obsessed with killing babies to reduce the world population ,why are they against mass shootings ?

  177. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Along with her YouTube channel, Soph’s Patreon account has also been removed. She is still making content on a number of alternative websites like BitChute and selling merchandise.

  178. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Oh wow, infants don’t directly own stocks so we should tighten our belts and cheer on a currency and trade war between our biggest trading partners because, despite Trump’s achievements and appeal, he’s brain dead on trade.

  179. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    No, the majority of Americans own zero stocks and couldn’t give a fuck about the DOW. They could however give a fuck about the outsourcing of jobs and the American dream to a fascist ponzi prison camp.

    Sure, sure. When the Dow is low, America is doing just fine.

    What do you add to your crack to make it so potent?

  180. JC

    Artie

    If the stock market takes a serious hiding everyone cops it either directly or indirectly… as we saw in the fin crisis. Stop creating a parallel universe where you think it doesn’t matter.

    Stock prices broadly reflect a compendium of assets and asset values. If they’re sinking it’s usually for bad reasons.

    Okay, I get it, you don’t like stocks because lots of bugmen own them. However, the financial markets are the best way we currently have in broadly gauging economic performance. We have nothing else. in terms of an immediate signal.

    If you don’t like large public listed companies there’s a whole universe of serious shit going on in the private equity markets where no one gives a rats if there’s enough of a vagina quota on the board. It’s growing in leaps and bounds.

  181. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The current idea that carrier privilege should be stripped from big tech and they should be treated like publishers is wrong and will actually make the current situation worst.

    They won’t be bound by any freedom of speech rights and will just give themselves contractual rights to do whatever they want in terms of deplatforming.

    No. What needs to happen is that they must be forced to accept freedom of speech, of which “hate speech” is not a limitation. Whatever hate speech is.

    These platforms are public platforms and so public rules of discourse must be enforced on the platforms. ie freedom of speech. That means if someone wants to heap shit on fags then that is the platforms bad luck. The business model of these platform must come second to freedom of speech rights as they are in essence in the business of being public platforms.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    If you don’t like large public listed companies there’s a whole universe of serious shit going on in the private equity markets where no one gives a rats if there’s enough of a vagina quota on the board. It’s growing in leaps and bounds.

    Which are nearly impossible for the average Joe to access directly.

  183. W Hogg

    They all voted, taking into account all the information they had to hand. Limited though that may be according to my view. But a vote’s a vote. So long as we all get one, and only one, seems to me this sort of complaint is just pointless.

    When you searched “2016 election candidates” Google produced the following:
    – Illary Crimton
    – Jill Stain
    – the brain dead hippy from AZ running as a Libertarian, except he couldn’t remember what that is or which state he’s from.

    Actively suppressing a candidate from all searches seems to cross some kind of line. Admittedly, people had some awareness of a 4th candidate, what’s his name, that guy – you know the one, we saw him on TV once or twice. But it does seem like Google should be free to do what it does BUT forced to comply with the Electoral Act requirements for doing what it does.

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    she suggested that the answer was to marry a Cuban girl. Not mentioning any names.

    You could probably do worse, Dr. BG. Maria is obviously holding certain feelings about you, something which cannot be treated lightly and for which a gentleman of a certain age might feel grateful; who else is there really? Spikey? I think not, so far. You cannot leave now without giving Maria a very nice financial present goodbye in remembrance of her kind attentions if you do not offer a Cuban house and/or an Ozzie passport. You will maintain the generous reputation of the Australian male, and she will feel less a woman scorned. Remember too that hell hath no fury etc. Keep her out of the kitchen. I’ve seen Carmen and these Latin women are something else again with the cutlery.

  185. Infidel Tiger

    If the stock market takes a serious hiding everyone cops it either directly or indirectly… as we saw in the fin crisis. Stop creating a parallel universe where you think it doesn’t matter.

    Stock prices broadly reflect a compendium of assets and asset values. If they’re sinking it’s usually for bad reasons.

    Your average American/Australian no longer has a job paying a living wage, can’t afford a house, proper medical care or to send their kids to a decent school. This after 4 decades of the neo-liberal experiment that has supposedly made us all richer than Croesus and rained untold benevolence and joy upon us all.

    You think they they give a shit when they see stocks winding back, because someone finally stood up to the enemy?

    You’re living in a bubble, man. The jig is up and the great global re-ordering is underway.

  186. W Hogg

    I was reading the roundup of the Ashes test.

    One reason put forward for the poor umpiring was a lack of diversity. The ICC umpires panel has no women.

    I have no idea whether or not this is satire.

  187. From the link:

    YouTube’s head campus in San Bruno, California, was the site of a shooting last year.

    Total mystery why anyone would feel that way about Youtube.

  188. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Once again we see the morally debased and econometric obsessed bugmen fraud in action.

    +100 IT.

    I have money with Sun Super. They, in turn, have funds invested all over the place, including in shares. Therefore, according to that American survey, I “indirectly own” shares. What a load of crap.

    I have money invested in term deposits with a major bank. Does that mean I “indirectly own” a chunk of someone’s mortgage?

    Absolute duckshit.

  189. JC

    Which are nearly impossible for the average Joe to access directly.

    Well yes to a large extent. And to a large extent the average Joe should have protested like crazy and continue to do so every time Canberra, Washington or London impose ever more onerous regulations and requirements on public companies. There’s no such fucking thing as “steak holders” unless they’re in a steak house holding up big juicy steak. There are only stockholders.

  190. W Hogg

    Elizabeth Broderick to investigate the workplace culture of the Air Traffic Controllers. She has previous experience looking into the ADF and Police.

    Simple. The report will identify the solutions as :

    Set target of 50% female within a short timeframe.

    Prioritise recruiting women over men to achieve 50% target even though male candidates may be better qualified.

    Give women choice as to place and hours of work. Priority over their male colleagues.

    Allow women to work part time to take care of family.

    Accelerate promotion for women to get more at the senior levels. Time spent away from work for maternity and no paid leave etc to still count as equal work experience to the male colleague who spent that time on the job.

    Whilst providing for a caring and flexible female work environment ensure their male colleagues cover their long absences even though their workplace is working under strength.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Are you kidding? You didn’t even mention addressing the inequality of superannuation that resulted from the wymminz receiving no contributions while not working for 12 years due to child rearing.

  191. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    These platforms are public platforms

    So if you own a nightclub you can’t kick people out?

    The fuck outta here!

  192. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    They could however give a fuck about the outsourcing of jobs and the American dream

    More Americans than ever now are employed, even whilst a demographic bulge (the boomers) has begun to retire. It’s a flawed measure but U3 unemployment is sub 4%.

  193. 1735099

    Very noticeable here that montynumberwang are livid with fury about a relatively small number of gun deaths (and blame us for them) but loudly supportive of the right to kill the unborn by the hundreds of thousands.

    Utter bullshit.
    Find one post where I have been supportive of abortion.
    BTW, I’m wondering what the “small number ” is relative to.

    Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the U.S. had 82 percent of all gun deaths, 90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns.

    (Wikipedia)

  194. johanna

    Thanks to Des for watching TheirABC’s version of Les Norton, saving the rest of us from doing so.

    I suspect that we will wait a long time for ‘vinegar strokes’ in their version.

    They wouln’t know what it meant.

    Is there anything that they cannot deface with trannie multicultural political correctness?

  195. JC

    Your average American/Australian no longer has a job paying a living wage, can’t afford a house, proper medical care or to send their kids to a decent school.

    Oh bullshit.

    This after 4 decades of the neo-liberal experiment that has supposedly made us all richer than Croesus and rained untold benevolence and joy upon us all.

    Yes, we are markedly better off that we were in 1980. By far. Supposedly poor people in both countries are suffering from being too fat.

    You think they they give a shit when they see stocks winding back, because someone finally stood up to the enemy?

    Sure, they don’t give a shit because they don’t understand. However, that doesn’t mean it won’t impact them.

    You’re living in a bubble, man. The jig is up and the great global re-ordering is underway.

    So you’re a believer in the universe is a bubble theory. I kind of do too.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    YouTube’s head campus in San Bruno, California, was the site of a shooting last year.

    Weirdly I was thinking of pointing exactly that out on Spartacus’s thread, seeing that rule of law is the very definition of strong regulation (which YouTube ignores).

    YouTube headquarters shooting

    I decided it wasn’t something that quite fitted though.

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    they are in essence in the business of being public platforms.

    There are laws already about the usage of ‘carriage mediums’. You can’t threaten to harm people on them and the cops can come into it if anyone complains about such a threat. When its in print, the defamation and slander provisions can come into play, charges made by those affected vs the offenders. Surely that should be enough? The Telco’s are not responsible for how people use them, nor should IP or ‘aggregator’ or ‘facilitatory’ providers be. They should act like Telco’s and have zero concern about what is said, or written, on their platforms. Matter only for the police and the laws of the land, and monitored only on that basis.

  198. Mark M

    Meanwhile … western media is all over the protests happening in Russia and Hong Kong.
    But when it comes to huge anti-Macron YellowVests rallies in France going strong for the 38th week in a row today, it’s nowhere to be found –
    https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1157737437365452800
    and, while in France … French father cries on national TV when telling the story of how a refugee stabbed his son to death.
    He also says that the French state doesn’t protect French children and doesn’t offer any help or shows any compassion to families who have had their children murdered
    https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1158133238600257536

  199. JC

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3124982, posted on August 6, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    They could however give a fuck about the outsourcing of jobs and the American dream

    More Americans than ever now are employed, even whilst a demographic bulge (the boomers) has begun to retire. It’s a flawed measure but U3 unemployment is sub 4%.

    Eggsactly. Artie, stopping behaving like a whiny little bitch. It’s so unlike you and it’s not that sort of blog.

  200. Mark from Melbourne

    The current idea that carrier privilege should be stripped from big tech and they should be treated like publishers is wrong and will actually make the current situation worst.

    They won’t be bound by any freedom of speech rights and will just give themselves contractual rights to do whatever they want in terms of deplatforming.

    No. What needs to happen is that they must be forced to accept freedom of speech, of which “hate speech” is not a limitation. Whatever hate speech is.

    These platforms are public platforms and so public rules of discourse must be enforced on the platforms. ie freedom of speech. That means if someone wants to heap shit on fags then that is the platforms bad luck. The business model of these platform must come second to freedom of speech rights as they are in essence in the business of being public platforms.

    Zippy, I am most sympathetic to that line of argument, but it seems to me that it is tilting at windmills for no good reason.

    Tech will scream either way, but a simple change to carrier privilege (thanks for that term) will force their hand.

    If you’re a carrier, then you don’t get to censor any speech. That is the way the rules generally work. I am sure there are exemptions and regs aplenty, but that is the guts of it.

    If you’re not a carrier, then you are publishing, with all of the concomitant responsibilities, including responsibility for ALL that you publish… subject again to all sorts of caveats.

    The thing is, the FB/Twit business models simply do not work if they have to effectively curate every post on the platform. Ditto YouTube and Instagram. Ditto pretty much all of them. Or, at least, that is my view… they might come up with a way to make it work, but it seems unlikely.

    So we are faced with a choice as to how to get to where we (both) want to be. My way is to simply recognise that, by censoring some speech, Tech is admitting it is a publisher. Seems to me that this is a much easier argument to prosecute than the whole “this private company is now a public medium” line.

    And has pretty mush the same nett effect, with less big government to boot.

  201. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I have money invested in term deposits with a major bank. Does that mean I “indirectly own” a chunk of someone’s mortgage?

    Absolute duckshit.

    Legally it is nonsense, but with a managed fund or investment pty ltd, it isn’t.

    You saw that was true in terms of intermediation in graphic detail during the GFC. Deposit holders are not immune to the risk of the loan book.

    Why anyone would be flippant about assets prices if they have a full-time job, a mortgage or any dependents is baffling.

  202. cohenite

    I think the yanks should ban guns; it worked really well with booze.

    Tucker had a great editorial about the shooting and the loathsome demorat, blame Trump, reaction. He makes the case that a generation of anything goes, no underlying values has created a society of nihilistic fads and empty peoples; these shooters, with their pathetic manifestos are the symptom of this malaise. To compound their responsibility the demorat candidates blame Trump when both shooters espoused demorats, gore, warren, sanders etc.

  203. JC

    I swear to God I witnessed this. I’m not doing a Ronery and making shit up.

    I was in a cafe/sandwich place and a dude (likely Greek) was serving a veiled woman and her hubby at the counter. I dunno what they bought but when it came time to pay he called out.. That’s $9.11. He rattled it off as 911. He then told them he was kidding and it was $9.10. He wasn’t being an arsehole and said he was just kidding around. It was very funny.

  204. notafan

    Dot

    Wasn’t that obvious in the pyramid collapse?

  205. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I agree with JC. The regulators think it is wise to stop someone from investing their own money.

    Look at Keating. He enabled the fund managers then he despised them “donkeys quaffing Shiraz on Bond street…”

    A working man ought to be able to simply take home more of his pay and invest it as he likes, in buying rental properties or going 1/4 share in a local pub as a silent investor. Shares if he likes. BTC if that takes his fancy.

    There are too many ticket clippers now to allow this without some sort of calamity preceding any reform.

    Keating really screwed up. At least 50% of workers had some form of retirement plan. This correlates near 100% to how many Australians were the main source of income in their household (55%).

  206. Mark from Melbourne

    Actively suppressing a candidate from all searches seems to cross some kind of line. Admittedly, people had some awareness of a 4th candidate, what’s his name, that guy – you know the one, we saw him on TV once or twice. But it does seem like Google should be free to do what it does BUT forced to comply with the Electoral Act requirements for doing what it does.

    True, WH. But going the whole post-election whinge is just counter-productive. And takes us right back to the bigotry of low expectations.

    I very much doubt that any “Electoral Act” anywhere specifies that search results must be accurate, but leaving that to one side, you again assume that people are so fvcking stupid that they only know what Google / whatever tells them. I just don’t think that is correct at all. They might be dills as I see them, but they are not sheep to be led around by the nose.

  207. Tel

    I have money with Sun Super. They, in turn, have funds invested all over the place, including in shares. Therefore, according to that American survey, I “indirectly own” shares. What a load of crap.

    There is some confusion over the meaning of the word “ownership”. The old meaning was that you had control over the asset in question, you make the relevant decisions, and you get the consequences of your actions in terms of gain or loss.

    The shares that are spread around via your Sun Super fund do indeed dump the consequences onto you. Should the market tank, your fund value will also tank. The fund managers still get paid, but you lose your money. In this sense you have “ownership” of the problem … i.e. when anything goes wrong, it’s YOUR PROBLEM buddy.

    However, you have very little control over the outcome, other than moving to a different (but virtually identical) Super fund, or if you want to roll your sleeves up, make you Super into a self managed fund and paint a big target on your own head. You do get some choices in this free country after all.

    I have money invested in term deposits with a major bank. Does that mean I “indirectly own” a chunk of someone’s mortgage?

    As the people who’s 401k funds held onto those CDO thingies discovered back in 2008, yes you own a slice of someone’s mortgage, and yeah, it will also be your problem when the SHTF. Not that you can do a whole lot about it.

  208. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    they are in essence in the business of being public platforms.

    So if you own a nightclub you can’t kick people out?

    I expect you would have to have a legitimate and legal reason to do so.
    A nightclub is a different sort of service provision anyway. Hardly just a ‘carriage medium’.

    The ‘private’ element is an interesting point of debate in all of this though.
    Is Sinc providing a simple carriage medium? Or is he providing a ‘club’ with ‘rules’?

  209. Infidel Tiger

    More Americans than ever now are employed, even whilst a demographic bulge (the boomers) has begun to retire. It’s a flawed measure but U3 unemployment is sub 4%.

    Once again we see the econometric bugman jizzing all over the place, over stats that completely discount the lived human experience.

    You sound like lil’ Benny Shap, who has never worked a day in his life.

    The middle class is being hollowed out. Incomes have not kept pace with even the flawed and outright fraudulent inflation and cost of living figures. Families require two incomes to do what one used to be able to do, and still they can’t make ends meet.

    The jig is up. Try not to be one of the many who are going to be hanged.

  210. Tel

    – the brain dead hippy from AZ running as a Libertarian, except he couldn’t remember what that is or which state he’s from.

    Gary Johnson stood on a dope platform in more ways than one. In one way disappointing but on the brighter side, if the Libertarians had been able to find a good quality candidate they might have got more votes and helped Hillary become President.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    term deposits with a major bank

    Enlighten me. Are term deposits covered by any government guarantee of depositor funds in the event of bank collapse? I thought the GFC produced some sort of back up; don’t know what though.

  212. notafan

    To the number of abortions obviously.

    yes you certainly made a number of postd that implicitly support abortion, not to mention when, previously it been put to you that you support abortion you have not denied it.

    In particular I recall a vacuous comment in relation to a change of abortion law in one of the American states, Arkansas?

    Are you categorically stating now that you were opposed to abortion, in complete adherence with orthodox Catholic teaching?

    A simple yes or no please.

  213. JC

    Once again we see the econometric bugman jizzing all over the place, over stats that completely discount the lived human experience.

    Dude, the other evening we had a drunk Driller, defending continual denigration of Aboriginals here with more ethnic slurs and talking about the “lived experience”. Don’t tell me you’ve taken the fork in the road that takes you down that cul de sac of leftwing nonsense. “The lived human experience”… Fme. The middle class are doing fine. Stop worrying about them.

    The middle class is being hollowed out. Incomes have not kept pace with even the flawed and outright fraudulent inflation and cost of living figures. Families require two incomes to do what one used to be able to do, and still they can’t make ends meet.

    The middle class is not hollowed out. FMD, 30 years ago you had people whining about folks working on assembly lines complaining about how degrading that was to the “lived human experience”. Now that a lot of these processes have been done away with, you and others want to bring them back to the West. Are you freaking crazy?

    The jig is up. Try not to be one of the many who are going to be hanged.

    Have you watched Gomorrah? Season 4 is really good. You can pirate it online.

  214. calli

    Good Lord, JC!

    That was a verbal hijab tweek.

    Prepare for Backlash™!

  215. Infidel Tiger

    Beep Boop!

    You are starting to sound like IamBeta.

  216. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The middle class is being hollowed out. Incomes have not kept pace with even the flawed and outright fraudulent inflation and cost of living figures. Families require two incomes to do what one used to be able to do, and still they can’t make ends meet.

    The jig is up. Try not to be one of the many who are going to be hanged.

    Calm down and cool your jets turbo.

    I largely agree with you on this and I recommend checking out Shadow Stats. Also, lay off the bug man nonsense.

    (The Obama era economists who tried to say we’re not ANY better of than in the 1970s were wrong, their data was flawed – their argument is as bad as Thomas Piketty’s).

    The reason why the cost of living is so high now is because of taxation and government spending.

    I’ll make a bet with you – that if you add up ALL and I mean ALL of the taxes you pay, that your effective marginal tax rate is over 50%. Wealthier cats personally might pay over 60%.

    Income tax
    Tariffs
    Excise
    GST
    Stamp duties
    Rates
    Land tax (maybe)
    etc

    The sad thing is even a minimum wage earner probably has at least 40% of their labour taken away all up as taxation (this instance including payroll tax).
    In NSW at least, the HIA and Peter Abelson have studied the effect of government greed on the housing market.

    I’ve said this numerous times over the years but the cost of a new dwelling in greater Sydney is between 40-46% of the purchase price.

    That is a tax rate of 66% to 85%, AFTER you’ve already paid income tax, super contribution taxes and your employer has paid payroll tax on your wage.

    This clearly constricts new dwelling supply at a phenomenal rate. Plus, it’s bloody ridiculous.

  217. JC

    calli
    #3125007, posted on August 6, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    Good Lord, JC!

    That was a verbal hijab tweek.

    Prepare for Backlash™!

    I know, my jaw just about dropped. I could not believe what he said.

  218. bespoke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3124750, posted on August 6, 2019 at 11:19 am
    Now.
    Hands up those who got out of the bed on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

    Abraham Simpson II Vs Sheldon Cooper.

  219. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3125008, posted on August 6, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    Beep Boop!

    You are starting to sound like IamBeta.

    I’m going to ignore that childish comment.

  220. MatrixTransform

    Thanks to Des for watching TheirABC’s version of Les Norton, saving the rest of us from doing so

    I watched it too.
    Coulda been worse I suppose.
    Gave it the whole length and tried to listen for the belly laugh nuggets that were there in the books.
    They’re watered down but still in there.

    I’ll give it another whirl and see if it rises or falls before writing it off

  221. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Les Norton has Gone with the Willy Wind.

    More gravy!

  222. BrettW

    JC,
    Let’s go on the basis your story is true.

    Not sure I share your sense of humour over the Greek guy joking with the apparently Muslim couple over saying 911 instead of 9.10, Let’s assume they are just a law abiding Aussie couple. Why should 911 be associated with them ?

    If you actually witnessed such an incident the correct reaction would be to tell the Greek guy he is a moron and ask him when he intends to pay off his billions in debt to the EU. If he then said “what debt” you then threaten him with your Sicilian mafia mates who will be around to collect.

  223. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I have no idea Lizzie, and it’s not the point.
    The point is, I have no say at all in whothe bank subsequently loans the money to, so to argue that I “indirectly” own the asset is snapping duckshit.

    Super, which is directly relevant to what was being commented on, is even more to the point. Yes, I could “choose” which Super Fund to put the money into, but I had no say about where they actually subsequently invested the money.

    To say I “owned” the shares they may have bought is complete crap. As Tel correctly pointed out, the only time I personally “own” those shares is if they lose money.

  224. johanna

    “We ask you to humble yourselves. No matter how powerful or successful you think you are, out here Western success doesn’t mean anything.”

    Michael Yunupingu, the 21-year-old grandson of Gumatj clan leader Galarrwuy Yunupingu, stood on the ancient meeting ground Gulkula and welcomed a crowd dotted with corporate guests and government officials to Arnhem Land on Friday for the start of Garma, Australia’s largest indigenous cultural gathering.

    Cool, bro.

    Just hand over the cars and the music and the clothes and all that other stuff. Because it means nothing.

    It really does seeem that nobody has learned a thing from Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic.

  225. JC

    I’ll tell you how to increase purchasing power for the middle class in a material way, Artie.

    Stop fucking around with energy prices. Also, ensure there’s plenty of gas being produced for the domestic market instead of closing it down in shit states like Victoria and and NSW.

    Now that we don’t have a car industry.. thank the lord…. Remove the fucking tariffs that were imposed when there was a domestic industry as they are still in operation.

    And by the way, if you think the middle class is fucked, maybe you ought to talk to the plumber I used to repair a leak. He was here with an apprentice for about 5 hours and I received an $1800 bill. That would put the senior dude on at least 250 bucks an hour. Yea, he’s doing really badly. Lets cry for him together.

  226. BrettW

    JC,
    Let’s assume your story is true.

    Not sure why any law abiding M us li m couple would appreciate such a poor taste joke.

    The correct reaction by you would have been to tell the Greek guy he is a moron and ask when he intends paying his billions in debt to the EU ? Naturally you should point out that if the debt is not paid you will send some of your Sicilian mafia mates around to collect.

  227. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cool, bro.

    Just hand over the cars and the music and the clothes and all that other stuff. Because it means nothing.

    From The Australian, June 2005

    Royalties divide Yunupingu family
    Jennifer Sexton
    11jun05

    GALARRWUY Yunupingu, the Northern Territory’s most powerful black leader, is at the centre of a deep family rift over millions of dollars in mining royalties. Many of his own clan, in their remote coastal homelands 600km east of Darwin, live in squalid and impoverished conditions while Mr Yunupingu has the use of a helicopter, four houses and a fleet of cars, including a Range Rover. His fourth son, Sammy Yunupingu, sister Gayili Marika (nee Yunupingu) and cousin Dhanjah Gurruwiwi say that only some members have benefited from Mr Yunupingu’s distribution of up to $5million a year in royalties, grants and rents. Audit reports obtained by The Weekend Australian have, for the past four years, warned that there is no evidence to prove that “clan distributions” have been properly allocated through the Gumatj Association, which receives royalties and other funds and is chaired by Mr Yunupingu. While the Northern Territory Justice Department, which administers the Gumatj Association, has failed to act, the Howard Government launched an investigation last week. Traditional Arnhem Land owners say that they are missing out because the money is supposed to be shared. Instead, many live a subsistence existence devoid of hope and filled with alcohol and physical abuse. By contrast, Mr Yunupingu is regularly piloted in a helicopter, which cost the Gumatj Association $169,949 in “repairs and maintenance” last financial year. The chopper absorbed $20,592 in fuel and is used to reach one of four houses at Mr Yunupingu’s disposal, at Ninyakay outstation in western Arnhem Land. The accounts also reveal income from the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission and other grants worth $2.09million, plus rents and royalties worth $2.05million.

  228. JC

    Gas prices on the spot market get as high as 10 bucks per BTU in Australia.

    Natural gas( in the US) closed trading at US$2.09 yesterday.

    Thank about that Artie.

  229. 1735099

    A simple yes or no please.

    I understand that you are incapable of understanding any concept that isn’t binary, but to reduce this issue down to “yes” or “no” is a fair measure of your intellect, and your morality.

    yes you certainly made a number of postd (sic) that implicitly support abortion

    Find them.
    If I have an opinion – I express it.
    I don’t stuff around with implication.
    I share support for what you call “orthodox Catholic teaching”, but I don’t have the arrogance displayed here, to tell others how to live.
    Frankly, I don’t think you have a clue about what “Catholic orthodoxy” means.
    BTW, what is your opinion of capital punishment?
    A simple “yes” or “no” will do.

  230. JC

    Brett.

    Sure, most jokes are in poor taste, no?

  231. notafan

    I’ll take that as a yes I support abortion which makes your entire previous comment redundant.

  232. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    An interesting development:

    An outspoken member of the Catallaxy Committee For High Moral Standards, entertaining the Draft Dodger at the expense of everybody else.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Gas prices on the spot market get as high as 10 bucks per BTU in Australia.

    Natural gas( in the US) closed trading at US$2.09 yesterday.

    Thank about that Artie.

    America uncoupled its energy needs from the fraudulent global market.

    They focused solely on the domestic market – they acted local for the good of their own people.

    God bless Donald.

  234. Mater

    1735099
    #3118839, posted on July 30, 2019 at 11:53 am
    All these rants about abortion….
    If you really believe abortion is the killing of the innocent, you have only one possible moral position, and only two laws that would make sense –
    1. Abortion becomes a crime equivalent to murder at any stage of gestation.
    2. Compulsory paternity checks are legislated to identify the male involved, and when identified, the father confined to nine months (for symmetry) in clink, or someplace similar, irrespective of circumstances, and upon release be held 50% financially responsible for the welfare of the child.
    Both parties are responsible.
    Both parties accept the consequences.

  235. JC

    America uncoupled its energy needs from the fraudulent global market.

    Ummm, they haven’t eggsactly uncoupled from the global energy market. The US is building terminals to export as much as they can. Hardly an uncoupling.

    They focused solely on the domestic market – they acted local for the good of their own people.

    God bless Donald.

  236. cohenite

    the plumber I used to repair a leak. He was here with an apprentice for about 5 hours and I received an $1800 bill. That would put the senior dude on at least 250 bucks an hour.

    Head prefect, the guy deserves double that rate for cleaning up your crap.

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