When will business leaders realise that pandering to the woke generation will turn ugly? Now Alan Joyce is worried that climate change alarmism might lead to people giving up flying. Apparently a teenager from Sweden is the world’s conscience on climate change policy and Joyce is finally realising that this might affect his business.

Now the IPCC says that we need to go vegetarian to ‘save the planet’. How soon will Coles and Woolworths refuse to stock meat? How soon will Australian restaurants offer only vegan and vegetarian fare? Probably sooner than we might expect, as the activists hound companies that offer planet destroying fare like meat.

It is very concerning because many in society today have no tolerance for non woke behaviour or thinking.  Will it be too late when those in power realise that appeasing alarmists is going to end up very badly as Extinction Rebellion foists its wish list on society. Unfortunately too many in positions of influence have given credibility to this alarmist nonsense. It is time to call out these people as extremists who are out to destroy our way of life.

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31 Responses to Vegetarian

  1. nb

    There is an alarm for everything. Except for socialism, ‘cos that’s worked out so well in the past.

  2. Lee

    Extinction Rebellion should be regarded as the extreme left wing scum they are.

  3. Science guy

    Well it could be a child in Scandinavia. Or maybe quite a lot of scientists and a lot of people whose billions are reliant on deciding whether those scientists are right.
    Currently the score is science 1000 v sceptics 0.

  4. Some History

    world’s conscious

    world’s conscience.

  5. Muddy

    The meek shall be crushed, and those who came before us will spit from the heavens.

  6. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Thanks – corrected

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ironic that a 15 year old female prophet talked the Xhosa into killing all their livestock to start a new age. History repeats, or at least rhymes.


    Three quarters of the population died in the resulting famine.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Science guy ain’t a science guy IMO because this particular scientist can show quite clearly from the data that those thousand scientists are wrong.

    For example snow cover. Flat for over two decades. Explain that one kiddo.

    The 60 year cycle which caused about a third of warming last century due to the choice of start and end years by the IPCC (1906-2005).

    Or the Sun which caused half of the warming last century due to cloud cover changes.

    All this data shows CAGW isn’t happening.

  9. 132andBush

    Science guy

    #3126747, posted on August 8, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Well it could be a child in Scandinavia. Or maybe quite a lot of scientists and a lot of people whose billions are reliant on deciding whether those scientists are right.
    Currently the score is science 1000 v sceptics 0.

    The fifth word in your last sentence needs these ” “.

  10. Some History

    Poor Big Al didn’t see the time coming when homosexualist activity would be viewed as virtuous… to be celebrated… and plane travel as a taboo – “plane shaming”.

    Welcome to the inversion, Al. Oh, the ironing.

    What else could go wrong for the toxic leperchaun? Rugby Australia ditch Quantass as a sponsor because it’s not good for RA’s image.

    Did someone mention divestment?

  11. Tim Neilson

    Currently the score is science 1000 v sceptics 0.

    Only if “science” is a synonym for “alarmists’ falsified predictions”.

    Which isn’t the normal meaning of the word, outside the climate industry.

  12. feelthebern

    The meat story is more of a water story.

  13. Ian of Brisbane

    Its one thing that the corrupt IPCC generates this garbage but I am appalled that the Oz chooses to spread the manure.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is time to call out these people as extremists who are out to destroy our way of life

    Yes – to destroy our way of life for no good reason. Countering this ‘Climate Emergency’ and its ‘Extinction Rebellion’ should become a National Emergency. The first step to counter it would be the establishment of a Royal Commission into Climatic Alarmism.

    This Royal Commission could examine the nature of the data being relied upon to hype this issue beyond anything rational when judged against the actual empirical situation so far vs the reliance of modelling in this field. The modelling used for climatic projections should also be up for critique. This Royal Commission should examine the extent to which and the way in which climate alarmism and extremism is being promulgated in the MSM, in our educational institutions and in the corporate world. The effects of climatic alarmism and extremism should also be examined in terms of the place of the Australian economy in the world economy and in terms of the future of the Australian economy under a regime of political climatic alarmism. The promotion of climatic alarmism by radical political extremist groups and be self-interested investors should also be investigated.

    The Royal Commission’s brief would be to carefully separate concern over environmental degradation and particulate air pollution due to a range of human activities (about which many citizens have a legitimate environmental concern) from the issue of anthropogenic production of CO2 and its effects on planetary climate in geophysical terms (in as much as the concept of a ‘world climate’ is applicable or achievable).

  15. John Keating

    Cows are vegetarian, leave them alone. They turn vegetables into yummy meat. It is trees we need to get rid of, they drop litter, which decomposes and produces methane. Trees Kill!

  16. Entropy

    Science guy
    #3126747, posted on August 8, 2019 at 8:32 pm
    Well it could be a child in Scandinavia. Or maybe quite a lot of scientists and a lot of people whose billions are reliant on deciding whether those scientists are right.
    Currently the score is science 1000 v sceptics 0.

    It’s a curious thing to find, that those most exposed to and living daily with the effects of our highly variable climate, farmers for example, are the most sceptical of the climate change agenda and most especially, the enthusiastically proposed means to do something about it.

    It is also a curious thing, that those most alarmed by the forecasts of anthropomorphic global warming, live, travel and work in climate controlled environments, staring at large dual screen monitors.

  17. Cambium Timbre

    LQC, I share a lot of your sentiment but it could be said you appear as extreme as the extremists you rail against, as you put it, these people “who are out to destroy our way of life” could very well be a chant Extinction Rebellion use against those they view as extreme. Maybe using science and common sense can expose some common ground here in that meat is largely an inefficient use of our resources requiring over 60% of the crops grown on the planet for the feedlots and over 5000L of water for 1kg of beef as Feel the Bern correctly alludes to.

  18. Roger

    The meat story is more of a water story.

    And how much water would it require to replace meat with plant derived protein?

  19. Rex Mango

    The IPCC have jumped the shark with this vegetarian push. Fair enough you cook up a thirty year scare campaign about climate change based upon the ‘settled science’ of CO2. What chance then, that due some cosmic coincidence it just so happens that what hippies have been pushing all along, ie not eating meat, is the answer? That is not the scientific method at all, but rather pure opportunism on a grand scale. Also, has anyone at the IPCC ever heard about the science of Homo Sapiens being a meat eating ape, as opposed to all the rest like Gorillas and Chimps who spend all day foraging for nuts and berries.

  20. thefrollickingmole

    Read it and weep..

    Its all about controlling others, everything else is window dressing for their attempt to fill the feeling of being inadequate.

    The following, therefore, is a rough estimate of what someone in Britain might eat over a seven-day period. A full month’s diet plan would be a better illustration, given that the daily ration of red meat stands at 7g (with an allowable range of 0-14g); unless you are creative enough to make a small steak feed two football sides and their subs, you will only be eating one once a month. Similarly, you are allocated little more than two chicken breast fillets and three eggs every fortnight and two tins of tuna or 1.5 salmon fillets a week. Per day, you get 250g of full-fat milk products (milk, butter, yoghurt, cheese): the average splash of milk in not very milky tea is 30g.

    The diet functions on the basis of 2,500 kcal daily, which corresponds, the report says, to the average energy needs of a 70kg (11st) man and a 60kg (9½st) woman, both aged 30, with moderate to high levels of physical activity. To date, however, governmental guidelines, such as those published this week by the British Nutrition Foundation, specify 2,000 kcal for women.

    Of course, and to reinforce how sobering is the global perspective the study brings to the question “what’s for dinner?”, this diet isn’t even that taxing. It is still more food – way, way more – than two billion people currently have access to. If making sacrifices to eat this way brings about even a small measure of the change it is meant to, it could have a huge impact around the world.

    Be sure to read the recipies set out for one week, and realize they have already gone over their “rations” on some “luxury items” and have 3 more weeks to go.

    Delusional crap.
    If anything like this were to come about the black market would be incredible.

    Heres dinner for the week.

    Dinner: One baked sweet potato with salsa, cavolo nero, avocado, black beans, grated cheese and a dollop of sour cream.
    Dinner: Steamed veg (kale, broccoli and carrot) with a yoghurt and fresh herb dressing and olive oil, root veg and bean mash.

    Dinner: Courgette, cavolo nero and tomato gratin with breadcrumbs and almonds, and a green salad and polenta on the side.

    Dinner: Butternut squash, carrot, cauliflower and coconut milk curry with rice.

    Dinner: Vegetarian lasagne with butter beans.

    Dinner: One-pot kale, tomato and lemon spaghetti with grated parmesan.

  21. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    grated cheese and a dollop of sour cream




    So we’re still going to have livestock. What if they’re too aggressive to other cows/sheep/goats, get loose and feral or become barren?

    A retirement village?

    No. We eat them, nose to tail.

  22. Bruce

    “To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have. Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest.”

    Thus spake Dr. Stephen Schneider; leading greenhouse advocate, close friend of Al Gore AND major advisor to the IPCC! [Link to IPCC debunk site] in interview for “Discover” magazine, Oct 1989.

    See also:

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.”

    A little gem from Christiana Figueres, Executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change.

    These people have declared WAR on REAL people and THEIR ABCess is backing them to the hilt.

  23. Buccaneer

    Softening the populace up for socialism, if you cant afford toilet paper, you cant afford meat either. Never mind that vegan diets are unhealthy.

  24. Politenessman

    It sounds like Mr Joyce is worried that the crocodiles are running out of other people to eat.

    Appeasement always ends well.

  25. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    We should be eating crocs.

    “Local, ethical, free-range, etc.”

    “Lo behold the provenance of this dinosaur tail which tastes like pork and fish”

    They have been a protected species for too long and humans are always more important than wildlife.

  26. Dr Fred Lenin

    Crocs make nice shoes ,belts wallets ,handbags ,thats about all they are good for . Cant see the indigenous eating too many years ago. Too dangerous and hard work to kill without guns . Shooting them has the makings of an industry here ,the shooters wont have to travel far from town to get them . Tried the meat on. Startes for me along with emu ,goanna and roo only good for dogs meat if they dont have worms .
    You can see Im a committed environmentalist cant you .

  27. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Dr Fred

    Try only cooking the kangaroo fillets on a very high heat briefly to rare-medium, with an Australian Pinot Noir.

    Trust me. 🙂

  28. MatrixTransform

    Or maybe quite a lot of scientists and a lot of people whose billions are reliant on deciding whether those scientists are right.

    more like a 1000 scientists have their eyes on the billions.

    Please donate generously for more research … children’s lives depend on it
    Thanks for paying for private school for a starving scientist’s kids

    Hundert Autoren gegen Einstein , published in 1931

    to which the great man replied … If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!

    the only thing worse than vegans … are vegan scientists

  29. jupes

    It is time to call out these people as extremists who are out to destroy our way of life.

    And it’s time to support the only politician of any worth fighting this bullshit.

    President Donald J. Trump.

  30. Bruce

    Kangaroo meat ha s a very low fat content. The fillets are great; just ‘age’ them a bit like you do for venison. General Kangaroo meat is good in pasta dishes IF it is not ground too filely AND you add a bit of extra (Macadamia?) oil in the initial ‘browning’ stage of cooking. Tails for a fine soup or stew.. Skippy hide, graded by weight and thickness, is one of the finest leathers on the planet. Our Italian cousins use a LOT of it to make VERY expensive shoes.

    Emu? a bit of an acquired taste, but the eggs make a great omelette (you only need ONE!).

    Crocodile? The OTHER, other white meat. best cuts are from the “smaller” beasties, not the monsters like old “Sweetheart” of Darwin Harbour fame.

    Crested pigeons? Good. Black Duck,? excellent! Magpie Goose? Low and slow delivers the goods.

    Ferals? Goat, camel, sundry deer species, and my favourite, water buffalo; a dark red meat, with fat lightly marbled through it. The rib and eye fillets are top tucker. Anyone tried feral donkey? Feral pigs? unless living exclusively on grain crops and soft plants and roots, they are very suspect. Omnivorous scavengers up to and including cannibalism in hard times. Hugely destructive of pastures and waterholes, not to forget,being porcine, a lot of the nasty bugs they carry can easily cross over to humans. Head or heart-shot, (good ammo us expensive), they get “organically recycled” very quickly in the wild.

  31. Anthony

    So, 30-40 years from now there is a good chance we grow a lot of our meat from stem cells housed in incubators in factories. I’ve seen calculations that doing that will reduce resource use (water, electricity etc) by an order of magnitude. Of course, even if we ate stem-cell meat, you still need animals for leather, wool and a dozen other products.

    In the near term, people are concerned about methane emissions from cow/sheep burps and farts (an estimated 14% of Australia’s GHGs). A couple of years ago it was discovered that ruminants that eat seaweed produce considerably (like 90-99% less) methane. In short, a Canadian farmers noticed his cows with a paddock lining the shore were growing bigger. CSIRO, James Cook Uni etc think the seaweed has an enzyme inhibitor that prevents the cow’s bacteria from converting its feed into methane – instead the cows can better utilise their food and grow bigger. You can bet that companies like Seasol and AgriSea will be gearing up to sell this to every farmer they can.

    The lesson being – rich societies can invest money in science and tech to address their problems.

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