Open Forum: August 17, 2019

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  1. Buccaneer

    Australian Town Trying To BAN PORN (Toowoomba)

    I hope that doesn’t mean numberwang will now have his hands free to defile this blog more often…

  2. 1735099

    Pavlov would be envious.

    Yep.
    Probably explains why Gomer (the back bar commando) signs his posts barking.

    I am a victim.

    I’m no victim, but anyone attempting to carry out his/her threat probably would be by the time my blue healers finished with him/her.

  3. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    1735099
    #3135289, posted on August 19, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    Pavlov would be envious.

    Yep.
    Probably explains why Gomer

    No, that’s you, Bob. You’re Gomer Pyle.

  4. feelthebern

    Dot, did you see numbers in that Toowoomba video?
    He was the guy in the background in the rain coat, jerking off.

  5. BrettW

    With some reluctance I just called one of the advertisers that has pulled its advertising from the AJ show.

    Have bought tickets in probably 60 + RSL Art Union prize home draws over the years. Just called to tell them to take me off their members list and that it was in response to them pandering to Sleeping Giants.

    I very much fit the demographic of supporters of the RSL / military causes. Highly unlikely that fans of Sleeping Giants have such interests.

    Can think of more direct ways to help such groups as Mates for Mates or Wounded Warrior etc. You have to wonder how much of the Art Union money actually ends up with charities as opposed to paying for the house and administration of the draws etc.

    Have to wonder if the RSL made the decision or is the Art Union a seperate entity that made up its own mind.

    I find the pile on to AJ over this issue is blown out of all proportion. Basically Jones was telling NZ PM to mind her own business. Could have chosen his words a little better but when it comes to AJ or Sleeping Giants I know who cares more about this country.

  6. lotocoti

    his people had been getting the rough end of the pineapple for 1000’s of years.

    I’ve always wondered why anyone would walk from Olduvai Gorge to Tasmania.
    Presumably being told to fvck off, and when they got there, told to fvck off some more.

  7. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I find the pile on to AJ over this issue is blown out of all proportion. Basically Jones was telling NZ PM to mind her own business.

    Correct. He dared insult their single mother Goddess of incompetence, socialist failure, impetuousness and never having held a real job.

  8. Twostix

    Rewilding.

    Without management funding

    Nah NSW are smart on this they’re locking up the state to stop the third world escaping the city and developers turning it into what SE qld is becoming.

    If you live in the regions – particulalry coastal keep your property in your family’s hands at all costs. Your children and their chldren will thank you.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m no victim, but anyone attempting to carry out his/her threat probably would be by the time my blue healers (sic) finished with him/her.

    Allow me to correct you. The breed is actually “Blue heeler.”

  10. John Constantine

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2019/08/drone-attack-yemen-rebels-sparks-fire-saudi-oil-field-190817132916661.html

    Iranian proxies dronestrike Saudi facility.”Saudi Aramco’s response team controlled a limited fire this morning at the Shaybah natural gas liquefaction facility,” the energy giant said on Saturday.

    “There were no injuries and no interruptions to Saudi Aramco’s oil operations.”

    A Houthi military spokesman said earlier on Saturday that the group targeted the Shaybah oil field with 10 drones in what he said was the “biggest attack in the depths” of the kingdom, the world’s top oil exporter.

    The Houthis have carried out a spate of cross-border missile and drone attacks targeting Saudi air bases and other facilities in recent months. Don’t do much damage, but the intent is there.

  11. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Nah NSW are smart on this they’re locking up the state to stop the third world escaping the city and developers turning it into what SE qld is becoming.

    I dunno. Less mines, less forestry, less farming, less factories. The bush should be in labour shortages given the natural abundance.

    If you want Sydney to be better, then you want to encourage migration to regional areas.

    Or we can admit that Port Jackson is and always has been an open-air gaol.

  12. Twostix

    Feel bouyed.

    In the whole world the single lone out and proud powerhead of the gillardian shrewish feminist classes is a retarded unelected NZ prime minister.

  13. Old School Conservative

    Nice pick up there Zulu.

  14. feelthebern

    Considering everything else numbers makes up, it’s more than likely he doesn’t even have a dog.
    Or if he did, the hound would have made a run for it years ago.

  15. 1735099

    Allow me to correct you…

    Thanks, but you’re correcting my iPad’s predictive text.
    I don’t think “Heelers” is programmed.
    The dogs don’t care how you spell their breed so long as you take them for their daily ramble.

  16. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    At my age and state every day is a good day. But some are even better than others.
    I woke up this morning to find the Wisteria in full bloom.
    Marilyn planted it when we first moved in five years ago, and now it has finally blossomed.

    Then, at lunch time my most recently acquired niece-in-law arrived to trim the Lilly Pilly hedge.
    Five foot nothing tall, long blonde hair, and drop dead gorgeous. Just in short shorts and a tee shirt.
    Been at it all afternoon. Twisting, turning, reaching up, bending down, stretching this way and that.

    At my age and state every day is a good day. But some are even better than others.
    Today was one of those days.

  17. Knuckle Dragger

    Old Yeller, 4.40 pm;

    ‘I’m no victim’

    Stop. Everyone stop this blog right now. Doomlord, get in here and pull the plug. It’s not worth continuing with.

    That is the funniest thing anyone has ever written here.

  18. Twostix

    If you want Sydney to be better

    I don’t want that at all. I want the opposite of that. A million times worse and imprisoned in the hell of their own making.

    encourage migration to regional areas.

    You’ve always been the enemy of Australians dot!

  19. feelthebern

    Thanks, but you’re correcting my iPad’s predictive text.

    This is numbers apologising for every spelling correction he’s ever made.
    Better bookmark it mater.

  20. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    encourage migration to regional areas.

    You’ve always been the enemy of Australians dot!

    No, people need jobs. and real jobs in regional areas is better than an army of public servants in the millions living in capital cities. It is not sustainable and it is a shallow existence without any real wealth generated.

    A million times worse and imprisoned in the hell of their own making.

    You literally want to punish 85% of your countrymen because they’re not conservative enough and in your opinion, not as Aussie as you.

  21. cohenite

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3135233, posted on August 19, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    Well said; it’s a good tactic.

    And well said about the troll; it is vile but it plays a role here; it shows what reasonable, decent people are up against.

  22. C.L.

    NSW minister proposes 10-fold increase in national park creation rate

    The NSW government will expand the national parks estate by 200,000 hectares over the next two years if Matt Kean, the Energy and Environment Minister gets his way.

    Wow, hey. The NSW Liberals really have decided the best long-term strategy is to crush and humiliate their own historical supporters. I’ve never seen hatred of a base like this before in my life.

  23. bespoke

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3135248, posted on August 19, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    I guess the resident draft dodger should be congratulated.
    Just one comment and a reply within a minute.
    Followed by five more in the next seven minutes.
    Pavlov would be envious.

    r
    I’m beginning to think It’s competition you don’t like for the most repetitive sympathy sponge.

  24. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I don’t know if they’re a spent force or not maybe they can get the 20,000 betrayed Aus Cons members (Never Corys Now) or perhaps PHON is going to eat their lunch:

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    If you would prefer to opt-out, you can do so below — but we hope you stay with us on this journey.

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  25. Twostix

    You literally want to punish 85% of your countrymen because they’re not conservative enough and in your opinion, not as Aussie as you

    Ah, no.

    As you’re fond of saying: they voted for it mass immigration.

    We didn’t.

    Enjoy your open air babylonian hell prison city!

  26. Mater

    Better bookmark it mater.

    No need, FTB. He does it all the time. Hardly a note worthy event…except in Bob’s world.

  27. Eyrie

    Trouble with NBN?
    In a few years you can sign up for SpaceX’s Starlink. Internet anywhere on the planetary surface and probably Low Earth Orbit too.

  28. Eyrie

    Tinta, if you think of government departments as criminal gangs it all becomes clear.

  29. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You are a very harsh man stix.

    They keep on voting for mass immigration, socialism and an ever-growing and predatory administrative state.

    Secessionism should be allowed.

    The Cromwell of the Riverina

    https://museumriverina.com.au/collections/highlights/senator-charles-hardy-and-the-riverina-movement#.XVpLLntS_ic

    The Riverina Movement: the push for Wagga to Secede

    “I attack the whole system of government. The country is being butchered by the overfed city; and we of the Riverina must bring such a state of events to an end. The government is rotten; it is led by extremists and we must stand shoulder to shoulder for a decent government.” [Senator Charles Hardy, 1931]

  30. calli

    I don’t understand.

    Numbers did a guest post here under his own name six years ago. Here. All available with a quick Google search.

    How can he claim commenters are doxxing him when he has already revealed his name voluntarily?

  31. Mater

    See:

    1735099
    #2973801, posted on March 29, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    I understand it’s traditional to remove the outliers

    More than “traditional” – it’s simply good stats.
    “Outriders” was a consequence of predictive text.

  32. bespoke

    His service number are as good as a name that why he’s tying to get Johno to post his.

  33. cohenite

    The full list of people named in that terrible alarmists paper as being deniers is:

    https://cfact.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=87b74a936c723115dfa298cf3&id=6ce561cb2a&e=31fe7d2c58

    Some great people on there.

  34. nbn is back, another post while I can.

    First they came for for my internet access,
    Then they came for my electricity supply,
    Then they came for my tobacco,

    I will make a stand when they come for my bacon.

  35. Trouble with NBN?
    In a few years you can sign up for …

    A response time of a few years? Sounds very NBNish.

  36. feelthebern

    At the same time Conroy & Rudd started the NBN, I’m surprised they didn’t by a monorail.
    The tech was outdated before it even began it’s roll out here in Oz.

  37. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Be careful what you wish for, Bern
    ScoMo is looking for a Legacy he can make happen.

  38. cohenite

    Here is CFACT’s take on the honour role of sceptics:

    Here’s a sample:

    * Apollo Astronaut Harrison Schmitt – the only scientist to walk on the moon;
    * Apollo Astronaut Walt Cunningham – from the first crew to ride the Saturn V rocket;
    * Freeman Dyson – The eminent Princeton physicist who postulated the Dyson sphere;
    * Ross McKitrick and Steven McIntyre – the Canadian researchers whose meticulous mathematical audit debunked Michael Mann’s infamous hockey stick graph;
    * Anthony Watts – The prominent meteorologist and creator of Watts Up With That;
    * Rick Perry – The U.S. Secretary of Energy;
    * Judith Curry – A climate scientist with over 130 peer-reviewed papers;
    * Roy Spencer and John Christy – Scientists who manage temperature satellites and developed the first successful satellite temperature record;
    * Fred Singer – The genius scientist who established the weather satellite network;
    * Roger Pielke, Jr. – The professor who showed that extreme weather hasn’t worsened and disaster costs declined;
    * Richard Lindzen – The MIT scientist known for his brilliant work on atmospheric physics and author of over 200 papers;
    * Will Happer – The Princeton atomic physicist and pioneer in optics;
    * Rudy Giuliani – America’s Mayor;
    * Mike Pence – Merely the Vice President of the United States (V.P. Gore’s OK?)

    While the rankings appear to be genuine in terms of the amount of media individuals garnered, the study’s black and white, unnuanced choice of whom to include on its contrarian list is bush league. It actually used DeSmog Blog as a major source! It’s mathematical comparison showing that people who debate climate policy in the public policy arena have greater media exposure than researchers who are cited in academic journals is an apples and oranges comparison, lacking scientific validity, that yields a no-brainer. It’s decision to not rank the amount of media garnered by warming campaigners, which would have yielded a useful comparison, reveals this for a bogus and offensive propaganda hit piece.

    We are each exposed to a mountain of media every day. Peruse the headlines and media coverage of climate for yourself. Do you need a mathematical analysis to determine which way the coverage is skewed? Wouldn’t you love to see those hard numbers?

    Shame on study authors, Alexander Michael Petersen, Emmanuel M. Vincent, and Anthony LeRoy Westerling.

  39. MatrixTransform

    Climate change is real, violence against women starts with words and

    … and something Mr Jones said

    wtf? something tells these people are retards

    … if only I could make the connection between Climate change and what what Mr Jones said.

    speaking of Canards, the Sleeping Duck people are probably quacking themselves laughing

  40. MatrixTransform

    Patron Saint of the Age of Stupidity

    heard Ross and John thismo on 3AW … something about D.O.R.T.

    Death of Rational Thinking.

    made me chuckle

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    His service number are as good as a name that why he’s tying to get Johno to post his.

    The nominal roll of Viet Nam veterans has been a public document for years. Once you’ve got a Service Number, you don’t need a name to look up someone’s history.

  42. calli

    That’s what I don’t get, Zulu. And accusing a commenter here of a very serious crime.

    Death threats are a matter for the police.

  43. Farmer Gez

    The August 19 forecasts states: “We notice that Indonesia and Australia may experience extremely drier than normal condition, owing to the expected co-occurrence of a positive Indian Ocean Dipole and an El Nino Modoki-like state.

    It’s a possibility that very low rainfall will occur but then again that happened last year without any of the indicators pointing that way, funny that.

    In the Wimmera we’re having a cracker season and enough moisture to fill crops unless blistering heat sets in before the start of October.

    On another bright note, I got chatted up by a couple of ladies at a department store today. Does wonders for the ego and I’ll give my wife full details. Still got it.

  44. Mater

    Better bookmark it mater.

    Oh, by the way, FTB. I don’t keep dossiers on people, least of all Bob. He’s not that significant, and it’d be kinda creepy.
    I just happen to remember what the halfwit writes (that which I bother to read). It’s a fucking curse!

  45. JC

    Isn’t he lovable. He’s even trying to do real estate deals while president.

    Here’s the question though. How much is Greenland worth and or, how much would it take?

    I reckon it’s worth US$100 billion. However, the US would have to pay $US150 billion to get the Danes out, or the US could literally just announce they are taking it over and no more talk.

  46. calli

    Lol. The Beloved is on a mission.

    Tomorrow he will ring Volkswagen over pulling 2GB advertising. The hide of these demonstrated crooks, who have cost us tens of thousands of dollars with their emissions fraud.

  47. JC

    Tomorrow he will ring Volkswagen over pulling 2GB advertising. The hide of these demonstrated crooks, who have cost us tens of thousands of dollars with their emissions fraud.

    Shocking isn’t it?

    Are you receiving any comp?

  48. bespoke

    Mater

    It’s been good seeing him squirm. 👍👍

  49. calli

    You’re kidding, JC.

    The class action is grinding along at a glacial pace. The Krauts compensated the Yanks in a heartbeat. Here in the gulag of Australiastan, we are told to eat dust.

    I will never, ever buy another German car.

  50. 1735099

    How can he claim commenters are doxxing him….

    Show me where I claimed that.
    You do this all the time – attributing claims to me that I simply have never made.
    Catallaxy has turned verballing into an art form.

  51. JC

    VW exactly exemplifies German hypocrisy. They were only caught out by the Americans for lying about the emissions fisaco. Along with the Swedes, they are the biggest arseholes on the planet. Together, they started the alarmist bullshit.

  52. cohenite

    I’ll be ringing Anytime Fitness and Koala mattresses. And our gutless glad; FMD the perinatal period begins at 20 weeks under Australian law and this abortion of an abortion bill allows unfettered abortion rights up to 22 weeks.

  53. John Constantine

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  54. JC

    You’re kidding, JC.

    The class action is grinding along at a glacial pace. The Krauts compensated the Yanks in a heartbeat. Here in the gulag of Australiastan, we are told to eat dust.

    I will never, ever buy another German car.

    Douchebags until the end.

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    Pixie dust for all!

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  57. Geriatric Mayfly

    From up above As George Pell’s moment of truth nears, I would have expected his persecutors to be laying into him. Instead, there is an eerie quiet.

    The ABC had another outbreak of perniciousness last week, and Calli it was who drew attention to the sidebar which was biased poison.

  58. MatrixTransform

    Catallaxy has turned verballing into an art form.

    says the retard that doesn’t understand how advertising works

  59. calli

    5099
    #3135239, posted on August 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm
    So I wonder if the Jooo hating, Greens voting racist…the same putrid hypocrite who takes advantage of the free speech on this platform…supports the death threats made against Jones in the last day?

    Simple question for you, Cassie.
    Do you support the phoned death threats (three so far in the last two years) made to me because I can be identified on this blog?
    One was female.
    Not you, by any chance?
    Your rants indicate you’re certainly unhinged enough….

    You can be identified on this blog because you identified yourself.

    You also accused Cassie of making death threats to you.

  60. Farmer Gez

    Along with the Swedes, they are the biggest arseholes on the planet.

    The Northern Dutch.

  61. Mitch M.

    I noticed health and fitness benefits living near and going to the beach regularly, even without moderate or vigorous exercise. I think there is something to that research.

    That is consistent with the study findings because it was increased energy via Per2 activating HIF thereby enhancing complex 4 through cyclic AMP the result being increased oxygen consumption. Very unusual and surprising mechanism(at least to me). Here is the full text:

    https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(19)30910-6

  62. Eyrie

    cohenite, the CFACT paper truly is an honour roll. Now cats and kittehs, how do we improve our ranking? Really, we barely made the top 100.

  63. JC

    Artie loves shit like this. it outrages him.

    New York City condo owner is busted for converting one apartment into NINE illegal micro units by cutting it in half horizontally – with ceilings as low as 4 1/2 feet – and renting them out for $600 a month

    Landlord Xue Ping Ni had split his 634-square-foot Manhattan condo in half horizontally to rent out nine micro units
    The units were raided and shut down Wednesday by the city’s Department of Buildings and tenants were forced to evacuate
    Ni was fined more than $144,000 for failing to have sprinklers, or proper electrical, structural and plumbing permits
    Another landlord in the same Lower East Side building was also discovered to be running the same scheme by creating multiple units
    The ceilings were as low as 4 1/2 feet and tenants were being charged up to $600 a month for the illegal spaces
    The scene resembled that of 1999 indie film Being John Malkovich which depicted a small 7th 1/2 floor in a Manhattan office

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7369089/New-York-condo-owner-busted-converting-ONE-apartment-building-nine-illegal-units.html

  64. calli

    I’ll read that later, Mitch.

    One standout phrase – “voluntary wheel-running”.

    Lucky mice! Most of mine is involuntary. 🙂

  65. 1735099

    You also accused Cassie……

    You have a problem with reading comprehension.
    A question is not an accusation.
    She hasn’t answered it.

  66. Eyrie

    VW designed their cars to pass the emissions test. If that doesn’t reflect the real world that is the problem of the test designers. The VW CEO is a pussy. He should have stood up and said exactly that. BTW the standards were totally unrealistic for the real world. That is a problem for the criminal gangs known as government.

  67. bespoke

    Don’t get any fooling ideas JC 😁 The way you through money at the trades it would cost you more then it’s worth.

  68. JC

    VW designed their cars to pass the emissions test. If that doesn’t reflect the real world that is the problem of the test designers. The VW CEO is a pussy.

    Stop being an idiot, Eyrie. That’s like saying that if you sit for an exam, cheat and pass the exam, you legitimately passed. Bullshit.

    The fact is that VW was peddling green crap for ages about how green and nice their vehicles were. They fucking cheated and made to look like the hypocrites they are.

  69. cohenite

    A question can be defamatory; especially if it contains malice.

  70. JC

    Are you an idiot, Cronkite?

  71. Farmer Gez

    The Dumb subtly fighting misogyny by another all girl panel.
    Sorry, one of them is John Hewson. An easy mistake to make.

  72. Bubbles

    Don’t be too hard on the Public Service. These days it is no different than any other major enterprise
    Yep, it is. I can sell my BHP shares – can’t sell the Government monopoly. BHP bureaucrats don’t tell me that I am a criminal for loving and protecting my family.

  73. cohenite

    Only when I talk to you head prefect.

  74. Old Lefty

    As we await the Pell verdict on Wednesday, perhaps you will allow me the luxury of a re-post about John Cain III, whose name appears at the top of the prosecution submissions.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/cain-warns-on-dlp-comeback-20070216-ge48jx.html
    Cain warns on DLP comeback
    By Paul Austin
    February 16, 2007 — 11.00am

    FORMER Labor premier John Cain has hit out at the resurgent Democratic Labor Party, warning of the danger of religious fundamentalists seeking to influence mainstream political parties.

    Mr Cain, whose father John Cain snr’s state government was destroyed by the 1950s Labor split that led to the formation of the Catholic-based DLP, said it was vital to avoid sectarianism and protect a secular society.

    “Fundamentalist religious beliefs are growing in strength and seeking to further their ends by influencing political parties,” he said. “The principal parties have to be aware that this is emerging and that they should resist any attempt, from within or without, to achieve political influence through religious pressures. The key issue, 50 years on, is whether we maintain the separation of church and state — our widely accepted secular society.”
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    Mr Cain was responding to this week’s inaugural parliamentary speech of Peter Kavanagh, who at November’s election became the first DLP member of State Parliament since the 1950s.

    In his speech Mr Kavanagh painted the DLP as a keeper of the Labor tradition of helping battlers and fighting for social reforms. He criticised John Cain jnr for having referred to DLP members as “sectarian serpents” and suggested Mr Cain snr’s bitterness against the DLP was fuelled by “deep-seated religious prejudices”.

    Asked for his response, John Cain jnr told The Age: “The social conscience of DLP members to which Mr Kavanagh refers is not the issue. The people he lauds cast aside their role as members of a Labor government in implementing the reforms he cites. They did this in pursuit of what they saw as a higher cause when the (B. A.) Santamaria and (Catholic archbishop Daniel) Mannix forces sought to have the Catholic Church dominate the Labor Party by stacking its membership with their supporters.

    “There was understandably great bitterness (in the Labor Party) about that disloyalty to their colleagues.”

    Mr Cain said Mr Kavanagh remained silent on whether he and the DLP supported a secular society. But Mr Kavanagh last night said he did believe in the separation of church and state, adding: “This does not mean that only the state has rights. ‘The essence of fairness is mutuality, and this doctrine implies both rights and restrictions on both churches and state.

    “The DLP is, proudly, influenced by Judeo-Christian values. The term ‘religious fundamentalist’, used by Mr Cain to inflame prejudices, is not, however, applicable to the DLP.”

    Mr Kavanagh said Mr Cain was wrong to ascribe religious motivations to the people who left the Labor Party and formed the DLP. “Although many (by no means all) were Catholics, their motivations were actually political,” he said. “The Left was attempting to take over the Labor Party … Many of the people who became the DLP attempted to prevent this takeover.”

    He also rejected Mr Cain’s accusation that the Santamaria forces had tried to “stack” Labor branches.

    “Most of the people he (Mr Santamaria) encouraged to join became valuable, committed, contributing members of the Labor Party,” Mr Kavanagh said. “Rather than ‘stacking’, the process is better described as ‘recruitment’.”

    Now the interesting thing is that John Cain III of that illustrious dynasty is, courtesy of the Andrews government, principal solicitor in the ‘independent’ and ‘apolitical’ Office of Public Prosecutions. On his watch the OPP has distinguished itself by dropping blackmail and intimidation charges against Mr Setka, finding that no ALP MP has anything to answer for over the Red Shirts affair, and of course delivering Pell’s head on a plate to the Socialist Left and the ABC. Of course I wouldn’t think of suggesting such a thing, but someone with a nasty, twisted, suspicious mind might see political influence in those decisions, and even – the leftist equivalent of heaven forfend – the Cain dynasty’s revenge on the DLP at play in the Pell case.

  75. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3135376, posted on August 19, 2019 at 6:45 pm
    A question can be defamatory; especially if it contains malice.”

    Yep…I won’t be dignifying the question however I have alerted Sinclair.

  76. JC

    German Judge Attacks Salvini for Mocking Photo of Open Borders NGO Activist

    Take a look

    The judge in the case has ordered Salvini to delete the tweet and the picture stating that the Italian League leader had violated the copyright of the image owner. If he does not remove the image, Salvini could face a fine of up to 250,000 euros and even a potential prison term of up to six months.

    “Matteo Salvini uses photographic material of rescue missions at sea, images taken by me, as a tool of his incitement against us,” Friedhold Ulonska, who brought the complaint, said.

    “He didn’t ask me if he was allowed. Like everyone else, Matteo Salvini must respect the law. If he does not do so, as in this case, we should like to remind him of the limits of his actions with all constitutional means,” he added.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08/15/german-judge-attacks-salvini-for-mocking-photo-of-open-borders-ngo-activist/

  77. Old Lefty

    Exactly

    Bubbles
    #3135380, posted on August 19, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    Don’t be too hard on the Public Service. These days it is no different than any other major enterprise
    Yep, it is. I can sell my BHP shares – can’t sell the Government monopoly. BHP bureaucrats don’t tell me that I am a criminal for loving and protecting my family.

    Advertisers can boycott Alan Jones, but I can’t avoid funding through my taxes the leftist loudmouth and church-arson advocate Jon Faine:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-30/haunted-house-on-hill-rachel-griffiths-describes-church-abuse/6357960

  78. roger

    “Alan Jones’ language is immoral!”
    – A company named and founded by Hitler.

  79. JC

    A company named and founded by Hitler.

    2GB? Really?

  80. candy

    I don’t know if Trump can “buy” Greenland or not, but perhaps there is tremendous mineral wealth there and he could pay off the US national debt etc.
    He is a great thinker, a great person of ideas, the greatest in this century for sure.

  81. JC

    He is a great thinker, a great person of ideas, the greatest in this century for sure.

    Bigger and better than Kevin Rudd, Justin Trudeau? Come on!

  82. Old Lefty

    Then there is HH Mr Kidd, who was so proud of his pally interview with Faine and accompanying trophy photo (while the appeal was still pending)

    https://twitter.com/abcmelbourne/status/1123002499982430208

    that he had it retweeted in the County Court Twitter page.

  83. roger

    He is a great thinker, a great person of ideas, the greatest in this century for sure.

    Trump confirms to me what I suspected for a while: politics is too serious a business to be managed by politicians.
    Go Trump!

  84. candy

    Bigger and better than Kevin Rudd, Justin Trudeau? Come on!

    Who do you think JC is a great person of ideas in this century then? well there is, Steve Jobs, that’s for sure, a most tremendous influence on business/people/just life in general.

  85. mh

    Then, at lunch time my most recently acquired niece-in-law arrived to trim the Lilly Pilly hedge.
    Five foot nothing tall, long blonde hair, and drop dead gorgeous. Just in short shorts and a tee shirt.
    Been at it all afternoon. Twisting, turning, reaching up, bending down, stretching this way and that.

    Yes, a taste of summer today. Did you film it on your phone, MV?

  86. Oh come on

    Bloody hell. See if you can make it all of the way through this bizarre rant of Rose McGowan’s. She is not okay.

  87. JC

    I’m kidding candy. Calm down and don’t be silly.

  88. candy

    jeez, mh, don’t encourage a man probably 60 years older than a young lass to ogle and photograph her and she’s cleaning up his yard out of duty to the family.

  89. Oh come on

    Of course the US can purchase Greenland. It bought Alaska off of the Russkies.

    I don’t think Trump is making a serious bid, primarily because he would know that Denmark isn’t going to sell. It’s a signal to the Russians about US intent in the Arctic.

  90. mh

    Candy, she will know exactly what she is doing.

    Cheering up an old fella. Or his old fella.

  91. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Nah Mh.
    Jokes aside she’s a lovely lady and I wouldn’t sully the moment by taking snaps.
    Some things are best just left to pleasant memories.

  92. roger

    On The Bolt Report a (non Chinese) student says officials from Chinese Consulate partipated in rallies against pro HK protests in Brisbane university. Seem to be confirmed by another interviewee. No biggie: Just a totalitarian regime’s thugs terrorising people on our streets.

    Also, re Judge Peter Kidd: a photo in an ABC studio two days before the Pell appeal is decided? Really?! He is either as stupid as the Pell trial Jury, or as evil as the ABC.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Candy.

    Punters in their 70s, as a general rule do not have nieces or nieces in law that are 10.

    Peter,

    Video or it didn’t happen. I’m still on the lookout for you Chloe btw.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    Another telling cartoon at American Thinker. Makes me think how lucky we are we don’t let anything resembling that type into this country.

  95. Some History

    From Chris Snowdon

    …These health lobby groups appear to be dismissive of the actual public – the choices that people make and the opinions they actually have. They see themselves as speaking in the name of public health, which they present as being a matter of life and death, and are therefore above any profane manifestation of the public, such as what people themselves may think or want. In an email to PHE, AOS said that the aim of the reformulation policy is to ‘save millions of children from disability or early death’, and that ‘[t]his is the priority – not the profits of the food industry, or even public opinion’. The interest of public health policy, then, is something that stands above – and even against – public opinion: it claims a higher mission. So AOS is able to masquerade as the true public good, as standing above the millions of people who actually form the public.

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2019/08/cooking-for-bureaucrats.html

  96. cohenite

    Crikey, clive Hamilton on bolta and I’m agreeing with him about the chinks. It seems just like yesterday when I was having stand up arguments with the clive the cuck about alarmism.

  97. candy

    Video or it didn’t happen. I’m still on the lookout for you Chloe btw.

    Look, if he does that his family will stick him in a nursing home, whether he’s at that stage or not.

  98. Eyrie

    JC, you REALLY haven’t had to ever engineer anything have you?
    Fvckwit.

  99. MatrixTransform

    A question is not an accusation.

    you detestable fucking liar.

    playing semantic games again

  100. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    No Candy,
    I’m not 94 and she wasn’t doing it out of a “sense of duty”.
    She was testing out a range of tools she had just bought prior to setting up her own business.
    I put up a sizable chunk of the funds and I guess she figured it was a nice way to say thank you.

  101. egg_

    VW designed their cars to pass the emissions test. If that doesn’t reflect the real world that is the problem of the test designers. The VW CEO is a pussy. He should have stood up and said exactly that. BTW the standards were totally unrealistic for the real world. That is a problem for the criminal gangs known as government.

    +1

    Once on the road, it’s up to the EPA to prove their emissions are illegal.

  102. Mitch M.

    On The Bolt Report a (non Chinese) student says officials from Chinese Consulate partipated in rallies against pro HK protests in Brisbane university. Seem to be confirmed by another interviewee. No biggie: Just a totalitarian regime’s thugs terrorising people on our streets.

    Monkey see, monkey do(CIA).

  103. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Punters in their 70s, as a general rule do not have nieces or nieces in law that are 10.

    True, Knuckles.
    Fortunately there are occasional exceptions to the general rule.

  104. Win

    I don’t know what’s happening in the Hunter vineyards now but during my ignorant youth I had reason to do a few hobby vintages in the red clays of Pokolbin ,whilst the owner oversaw vintage from his safe haven in town. What was important then was the cyclones in the North and along the Qld coast over the summer denoting we would be bogged to the axels come picking, there also seemed to be an Old Testament long range weather forecast of seven years rain ,7 years average and seven years fabulous vintages during the drought.
    Now. Long gone along with the aged wines.
    Fortunately there is the peat water whiskey to take its place.

  105. pete m

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3135412, posted on August 19, 2019 at 7:25 pm
    No Candy,
    I’m not 94 and she wasn’t doing it out of a “sense of duty”.
    She was testing out a range of tools she had just bought prior to setting up her own business.
    I put up a sizable chunk of the funds and I guess she figured it was a nice way to say thank you.

    I take back all the nasty things I wrote about you but didn’t post.

    I hope your good deed keeps paying dividends for her.

  106. calli

    Something that may interest Cats.

    2GB’s call sign is named for Giordano Bruno.

    He was burned at the stake.

  107. roger

    Monkey see, monkey do(CIA).

    The CIA’s interference in the domestic affairs of other countries was disastrous, however well-intentioned it may have been.
    Doesn’t mean we have to put up with this crap over here.

  108. Bubbles

    Trigger me this.
    The nominal Hitler who must be jailed for life then eviscerated for creating and moderating this cesspit of fascist vitriol occupies a slum precinct within the Komsomol socialist kommando education camp formally known as MIT – whatever that meant.
    How can this be. Who is protecting this puss-oozing fascist. Nobody ever pays actual money to economists, so he can’t be surviving through bribery.
    Each morning as I debark my Libertarian slave powered mass transit conveyance, I observe virgins in white linen throwing themselves off the roof of the puss eaters den and floating like lotuses past the soon to be bricked-up perversion windows provided during the revanchist Whitlam ‘knowledge is truth’ counter revolution.
    The People (ABC and Queensland) have announced that your time is short; I am sad about that; but I am a retiree who cannot afford sympathy. Raped at 70 for the first time because some moron mistook my Woodstock paisley shirt for your CPAC abonomination. Bankrupted after a life of hard work by your Big Gov secret perversions.
    But, I bear no grudges. I won’t join the virgins. I will simply dissolve, as you command Block Leader.

  109. candy

    No Candy,
    I’m not 94 and she wasn’t doing it out of a “sense of duty”.

    Well don’t listen to the doofuses and take pictures or videos or anything stupid like that.

  110. egg_

    New York City condo owner is busted for converting one apartment into NINE illegal micro units by cutting it in half horizontally – with ceilings as low as 4 1/2 feet – and renting them out for $600 a month

    Landlord Xue Ping Ni had split his 634-square-foot Manhattan condo in half horizontally to rent out nine micro units

    LMFAO!
    Sum Ting Wong with those apartments?

  111. mh

    Well don’t listen to the doofuses and take pictures or videos or anything stupid like that.

    Saucer of milk, table 2.

  112. JC

    Eyrie
    #3135410, posted on August 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    JC, you REALLY haven’t had to ever engineer anything have you?
    Fvckwit.

    No, I haven’t and it would seem that you ought to stay away from engineering too. VW set up the software so in a way that would lead to false signals during the test. But then, what would I know, the regulators or VW itself who admitted they had cheated.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘doofuses’

    Triggered! Safe space! Safe space!

    Which, of course, is the local. I’ve a hankering for a decent pub feed, which someone else can cook and I can eat without listening to ‘you never take me to the markets’ and/or ‘do you think my sister’s attractive’ (trap for young players, beware), and I might even see if Lady Keno’s still smitten by my cash.

    I wonder what the poor people are doing.

  114. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I take back all the nasty things I wrote about you but didn’t post.

    She wasn’t supposed to know where the money came from, Pete.
    It’s a good thing for my nephew that I’m no longer able to box his ears.

  115. egg_

    Delingpole: Greta Thunberg – Patron Saint of the Age of Stupidity

    Is Greta related to Timmeh!?

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Which, of course, is the local. I’ve a hankering for a decent pub feed, which someone else can cook and I can eat without listening to ‘you never take me to the markets’ and/or ‘do you think my sister’s attractive’ (trap for young players, beware), and I might even see if Lady Keno’s still smitten by my cash.

    Secret men’s business.

  117. JC

    This is how VW cheated. Eyrie thinks its perfectly fine.

    They had code in the Engine control unit that could detect when an emissions test was being performed and it changed the way the engine ran.

    It would alter the timing of the engine to reduce fuel efficiency and reduce emissions and run the engine in a mode that produced lower Nitrogen Oxides (NOx).

    At the time, the offical testing was conducted on a rolling road, so the car was stationary. This allowed them to control the test conditions so that every car was tested in the same way.

    As the car was on a rolling road, it was effectively traveling straight ahead for the duration of the test – there were no inputs on the steering wheel.

    If the ECU detected that the car was running and appeared to be driving (i.e. the wheels were turning) but the steering wheel was not turned more than something like 15° since starting, then the car would switch to low emissions mode to cheat the test.

    In real world driving situations, you would likely never start the car and drive in a perfectly straight line – even on a straight road you are continually using the steering wheel to keep the car running in a straight line. So, if the ECU detected the steering wheel was being turned, the car ran in driving mode which increased the power, gave better fuel economy but at the expense of producing higher levels of NOx.

    This all came to light when some people were trying to replicate the tests but doing it in the real world with portable equipment on the car, instead of in a test facility and they found that the results were wildly different to the manufacturer’s published test figures.

    The reason I’m glad they were picked is because they had been signaling for so long they were a green, caring company. They lied and ended paying US$25 billion. Hypocrisy can be costly at times.

  118. Farmer Gez

    Looks like Hark is back, posing as a fart in the bath.

  119. JC

    Eyrie
    #3135439, posted on August 19, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    Dig UP, JC. Other way!

    It shows anger, but what exactly does that mean?

  120. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Has anybody seen “Altered Carbon” on Netflix?
    Worth watching?
    I’ve had enough of “Limp Wrist”.

  121. Mitch M.

    The CIA’s interference in the domestic affairs of other countries was disastrous, however well-intentioned it may have been.
    Doesn’t mean we have to put up with this crap over here.

    Just a bit of fun Roger. A problem we have with China is that they do have some justification in pointing to the past behavior of the USA. The Chinese media are reporting CIA operatives are active in the Hong Kong protests. I don’t think that is at all true but it isn’t that much different from the days when the West blamed so many bad events as a result of Soviet intelligence activity.

    More broadly I think China is playing a very effective bluffing game with the West. The Indian Air Force recently reported that a SU 30M easily detected the Chinese “stealth” fighter, Japan recently forced a Chinese nuclear submarine to surface(though a earlier and noisy version), and their standard jet is a rip off of the Israeli Lavi project. I think the Japanese Navy could deal with the Chinese navy and air force. The Aegis destroyers are brilliant, Japan already has a prototype stealth fighter and have a modernised F16 plus excellent F15s. Without a Navy China aint going nowhere. So while the West likes to get hot and bothered about China’s military build up I’m not that impressed.

  122. Tel

    VW designed their cars to pass the emissions test. If that doesn’t reflect the real world that is the problem of the test designers.

    Correct.

    A modern engine management system continuously adapts to the conditions, and it’s supposed to do that.

    The VW CEO is a pussy. He should have stood up and said exactly that.

    Completely agree.

    BTW the standards were totally unrealistic for the real world. That is a problem for the criminal gangs known as government.

    The test weren’t designed by government, they were designed by American auto-makers trying to keep out the European diesel engines. That’s how they could be sure VW was “cheating” because the test was specifically designed to ensure it was tight enough that no diesel engine could pass. Real world driving never entered into the picture. That’s why it pissed them off so much when VW could pass the test.

  123. bespoke

    Gee Steve please go to the pub with KD.

  124. Eyrie

    JC, back around the late 1970’s Chrysler Australia produced a Valiant known as the ELB (Extra Lean Burn). One of the things the engine control system did, was, after the car had been running at a constant speed for a while the system leaned the mixture to improve fuel economy and emissions. Really no different in principle from what VW did. They designed to the test. When the car is running under test conditions, optimise for the desired factors.
    Not that I expect you comprehend in the slightest what I just wrote. You are a great example of Dunning-Kruger in action.

  125. Roger

    “No bias. No agenda.”

    Just watching ABC 7:30 for the first time in several weeks.

    Their story on NSW abortion legislation calls it “reform” of a law not re-visited since c. 1900 (the chronological snobbery fallacy on full display).

    Opponents are labelled “religious”, code for Neanderthal nutters.

    A woman, presented in a sympathetic light, who aborted her son because he may have had a neurological condition which is manageable thanks to modern medicine said she had “no regrets”. The point, of course, is to discourage guilt feelings.

    Weimar Australia, you’re standing in it.

  126. JC

    Tel

    And of course the software in the test cars that modified the engine running during the test that was there to open the rear windows, was it.

    Not that I expect you comprehend in the slightest what I just wrote. You are a great example of Dunning-Kruger in action.

    Oh Okay, then I’m not alone. So was the US court, the Euro courts and the German courts who have held VW to account. But you have the answer by putting up an example of 70s technology as the real answer. Green W was innocent. The software was just there to open the rear windows as I said before.

  127. 132andBush

    Tel

    #3135446, posted on August 19, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    VW designed their cars to pass the emissions test. If that doesn’t reflect the real world that is the problem of the test designers.

    Correct.

    A modern engine management system continuously adapts to the conditions, and it’s supposed to do that.

    The VW CEO is a pussy. He should have stood up and said exactly that.

    Completely agree.

    BTW the standards were totally unrealistic for the real world. That is a problem for the criminal gangs known as government.

    The test weren’t designed by government, they were designed by American auto-makers trying to keep out the European diesel engines. That’s how they could be sure VW was “cheating” because the test was specifically designed to ensure it was tight enough that no diesel engine could pass. Real world driving never entered into the picture. That’s why it pissed them off so much when VW could pass the test.

    +1

  128. Tel

    They had code in the Engine control unit that could detect when an emissions test was being performed and it changed the way the engine ran.

    If the control unit could detect that the car was going up a hill and greater load was on the engine, then would it be “cheating” if the control unit changes the way the engine runs on uphill slopes as opposed to the flat?

    Put that another way … what’s the point of a control unit unless it can detect what’s happening to the vehicle and change the way the engine runs to compensate? If you want the engine to run the same all the time then throw away the control unit because you don’t need one.

  129. Eyrie

    “The test weren’t designed by government, they were designed by American auto-makers trying to keep out the European diesel engines.”
    Yes , Tel, but without the government imprimatur and holding a gun to people’s heads who would care what a bunch of American automakers did?

  130. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thank you Steve Trickler. For more than you’ll ever know.
    Let’s just say it made a fitting end to the day Marilyn’s Wisteria finally bloomed.

  131. Roger

    Without a Navy China aint going nowhere.

    Which is why they’ve been building c. 60 naval vessels per year for the last five years.

    Sure, quality matters, but so does quantity.

  132. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    If you want the engine to run the same all the time then throw away the control unit because you don’t need one.

    Or just buy a 1966 Cortina.

  133. JC

    Bush

    The American carmakers aren’t exactly the brightest people in the business. It’s laughable to even imply they were by suggesting the standards were meant to restrict the sale of German autos in the US… as though the US makers were more advanced.

    Beating the test itself planting software to trick the test shows they were lying and they were lying about how green and wonderful they were. They’re ads at the time were a hypocritical disgrace.

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Or just buy a 1966 Cortina.

    First car I ever owned.

  135. JC

    Tel what was the purpose of the software?

  136. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Second for me, Zulu.
    First car was the 1958 Renault Dauphine my folks gave me for my seventeenth birthday.

  137. notafan

    I liked Altered Carbon

  138. JC

    “The test weren’t designed by government, they were designed by American auto-makers trying to keep out the European diesel engines.”

    The American makers have diesel engines. In fact European makers have plants in the US that manufacture these vehicles too.

    Frankly, if you had the US makers in mind when setting up regulations, it wouldn’t be a big hurdle.

  139. calli

    VWwere required to design their engines to a particular specification.

    The rights and wrongs of that specification are another argument.

    They cheated their customers because they did not supply the vehicle as specified. They cheated them again when they offered half of bugger all for the non-compliant vehicles that they sold as compliant on trade-in.

    Customers did not get what they paid for. And when they went to sell, the product was basically worthless.

    VW are corporate scoundrels.

  140. Tel

    And of course the software in the test cars that modified the engine running during the test that was there to open the rear windows, was it.

    I don’t understand the connection to the windows. The test is a stationary dyno test, so wind resistance is zero by definition, and the software is optimize to that situation. If you could find a long, perfectly straight road with a neat tailwind that matched the test, then you would get identical performance.

    That’s the entire concept of a control system, to adapt the machine to the situation it’s used under.

    If that’s “cheating” then ban all control systems. For that matter, ban drivers too because they might driver slower in bad weather (clearly cheating), or perhaps drop a gear going into a corner, must prevent cheating!

  141. JC

    Yep Cali

    Lets not forget the buyer in this who have lost out big time.

  142. Tel

    Tel what was the purpose of the software?

    In an engine management unit, the purpose of the software is to control the engine … what did you think it’s supposed to be doing? Your plan was to have it NOT control the engine perhaps?

  143. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Serious question, Calli.
    Why on earth did you buy a diesel-powered passenger vehicle?

  144. JC

    I don’t understand the connection to the windows.

    It was a sarc.

    The Green W had software that modified to the test. They cheated. It’s that simple.

  145. JC

    In an engine management unit, the purpose of the software is to control the engine … what did you think it’s supposed to be doing? Your plan was to have it NOT control the engine perhaps?

    Oh I see you’re now appear to be confused by implying I was referring to the entire control system. I wasn’t of course. It was one component of the code. Go back and read what I posted earlier describing how elaborately it was set up.

    Moreover the internal emails out of Green W shows they were well aware it was a fraud. It’s good to see you even arguing against their own internal discussions. They knew it to be a fraud.

  146. roger

    The CIA’s interference in the domestic affairs of other countries was disastrous, however well-intentioned it may have been.
    Doesn’t mean we have to put up with this crap over here.

    Just a bit of fun Roger.

    Bullies are not about having fun. Bullies push you around, and probe your reply. If ASIO is not closely monitoring such events in the context of Chinese trying to infiltrate our social fibre they’re not worth one dollar of our taxes.

  147. Tel

    Oh Okay, then I’m not alone. So was the US court, the Euro courts and the German courts who have held VW to account.

    JC the percentage probability that the Europeans will allow VW to go broke is exactly zero. This is like the pretend US federal “watchdog” that keeps the banks under control, think of it as vaudeville theatre so the dumb punters can go home feeling like they got their money worth. None of the actors really die on stage, they put on a good show of pretending to be hurt. The EPA is a government department, with employees, who make salaries. VW has management who are employees who make salaries. Other than perhaps the last sniff of personal integrity that might be floating around the place, none of those people care how much VW pays this way or that way. That’s why management bend over so easily for government departments … because on both sides it ain’t their money at stake.

    The shareholders don’t even care, because the actual owners of the company are fifteen layers deep behind indexed funds and pension funds and hedge funds. They probably don’t even have a clue what shares they own, let alone who does what with an engine.

  148. egg_

    This all came to light when some people were trying to replicate the tests but doing it in the real world with portable equipment on the car, instead of in a test facility and they found that the results were wildly different to the manufacturer’s published test figures.

    Because they knew of the ECU programming for the EPA test.
    Next.

  149. JC

    JC the percentage probability that the Europeans will allow VW to go broke is exactly zero. This is like the pretend US federal “watchdog” that keeps the banks under control, think of it as vaudeville theatre so the dumb punters can go home feeling like they got their money worth. None of the actors really die on stage, they put on a good show of pretending to be hurt. The EPA is a government department, with employees, who make salaries. VW has management who are employees who make salaries. Other than perhaps the last sniff of personal integrity that might be floating around the place, none of those people care how much VW pays this way or that way. That’s why management bend over so easily for government departments … because on both sides it ain’t their money at stake.

    You left the shareholders who do have skin the game.

    The shareholders don’t even care, because the actual owners of the company are fifteen layers deep behind indexed funds and pension funds and hedge funds. They probably don’t even have a clue what shares they own, let alone who does what with an engine.

    Oh but you do now and suggest they don’t even care and they don’t know what they own. There’s not a stock that I own that isn’t an ordinary share. Why would I think differently of other holders?

  150. 132andBush

    Would it be fair to say that Vdub are the only ones to be caught?

  151. Tel

    Moreover the internal emails out of Green W shows they were well aware it was a fraud. It’s good to see you even arguing against their own internal discussions. They knew it to be a fraud.

    Can you find some of those emails? Everyone knows the EPA test is a fraud, so I expect that’s probably mentioned in many places, although there’s no punishment for anyone at the EPA for defrauding the American people into believing that the EPA is actually testing something.

  152. Tel

    Why would I think differently of other holders?

    The typical stockholder has their Super money taken from them without even seeing it, and put into an industry super fund, operated by people who know how to buy an index fund which in turn simply buys the top 100 stocks based on market cap or something like that. JC you are not even slightly representative.

  153. egg_

    Would it be fair to say that Vdub are the only ones to be caught?

    VW, Audi, Porsche – a bunch of Euros.

  154. Bruce of Newcastle

    Would it be fair to say that Vdub are the only ones to be caught?

    No.

    Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Volvo, Renault, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroën and Fiat. I may’ve missed a few.

    Why Much of the Car Industry Is Under Scrutiny for Cheating (2017)
    German automakers formed a secret cartel in the ‘90s to collude on diesel emissions: report (2017)
    Diesel emissions scandal wiki

    Basically customers don’t want cars with 50 cc engines, which is about what it takes to make a woke government happy.

  155. Tel

    In real world driving situations, you would likely never start the car and drive in a perfectly straight line – even on a straight road you are continually using the steering wheel to keep the car running in a straight line. So, if the ECU detected the steering wheel was being turned, the car ran in driving mode which increased the power, gave better fuel economy but at the expense of producing higher levels of NOx.

    When you are driving on a winding road, that’s when you need more power to the wheels.

    If I’m driving on a straight road at reasonable speed I wouldn’t move the wheel more than about 10 degrees at most.

    Look, a centrifugal advance alters the timing of the engine to allow for RPM, it’s a mechanical control system that has been on engines for almost 100 years. Is that cheating?

    A vacuum advance alters the timing of the engine to allow for loading, those have been used for at least 50 years … cheating huh? Can’t allow the engine to ever change timing when more power is required.

    Far Kimmy if the EPA ever discovers what V-tech engines do with variable valve timing … worse than that, there’s cars out there with a performance mode and an eco mode and the driver gets to make the choice for himself! CHEATING!!!!

  156. egg_

    Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Volvo, Renault, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroën and Fiat.

    LMFAO!

  157. egg_

    Far Kimmy if the EPA ever discovers what V-tech engines do with variable valve timing … worse than that, there’s cars out there with a performance mode and an eco mode and the driver gets to make the choice for himself! CHEATING!!!!

    Plus ECU software can be updated post production, which VW was offering, if you want the gutless eco pack.

  158. P

    For those here who remember Katrina Lee from the Channel 10 news in the late 70s through to the early 90s:

    Katrina Lee, an executive advisor for the Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney and a long time friend of Pell

    As his long-time adviser, Katrina Lee was in court again at his appeal, as was his long time friend Chris Meaney who I read will be there on Wed and act as his driver when he goes from the court free.

  159. John Constantine

    Their four corners finally does the dogbox building Ponxi that will bankrupt the country.

    Never mention the donors.

    Australia is now standing and gaping at the bastardry of the developer Landsharks kleptocracy.

    We don’t have the money to do repairs.

    Water is the most destructive thing there is in buildings. If water damage is allowed to cascade, it is cancer in the building. Mould is biological warfare, waged by developers against the Australian people.

  160. John Constantine

    Builders warranty insurance is not needed in Australia if the development is over three stories high.

    Laws passed to help donor developers, not proles.

  161. John Constantine

    Will four corners mention the peoples liberation army slave labour factories made the napalm cladding panels?.

  162. Geriatric Mayfly

    Not peak stupid, but the end of rationality. Read the rest at newsbusters.org and sob quietly.

    On the front of Sunday’s Washington Post, transgender movement orthodoxy overcame common-sense pronouns again. The story was headlined “Non-binary, pregnant and taking on motherhood: They are not a woman, but they are about to assume the most gendered role of all.”
    Online, the headline was “A mother, but not a woman.” Mmm, so which gender does the uterus represent? It was an enormous story, with nine photographs, and taking up two entire inside pages

  163. 132andBush

    I propose the EPA institute emissions standards for stock exchanges.
    Noise levels to be slashed 50% (none of that yelling and wild gesticulating).
    Food intake to be cut 75% (no more caviar and truffle flavoured foie gras).
    Coke snorting completely cut.

  164. John Constantine

    What is the primary motivation for developers building fire Death traps?.

    Umm, shall we blame corruption of building certifies?.

  165. John Constantine

    Why do developers spend a couple hundred bucks on fire doors that hold for minutes instead of couple thousand on real life saving fire doors?.

  166. Cassie of Sydney

    Paul Murray has opened PML with a good defence of Alan Jones.

  167. notafan

    That’s a pretty ordinary article at ‘over sixty’

    Cardinal Pell didn’t molest two 13 year olds ‘at St Kevin’s College’. He didn’t molest anyone anywhere

    Good for Kathrina Lee being a loyal friend.

    That article was clearly intended to cause trouble for her.

    Nasty.

  168. John Constantine

    The certifier that signed off on nine dogbox apartment developments in Darwin that are non compliant faces court and possible deregistration.

    But only in the territory, he can work anywhere else.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Can you find some of those emails? Everyone knows the EPA test is a fraud, so I expect that’s probably mentioned in many places, although there’s no punishment for anyone at the EPA for defrauding the American people into believing that the EPA is actually testing something.

    The EPA designed a test.
    VW framed a system to meet that test, and would have won a court case in 1990 on that basis.
    But not in 2019.
    The case would be run on feelz, not facts.
    Seriously, the continuous dyno test at 2000 RPM is an anachronism based on 1950s technology.
    How about this?

    The vehicle shall be subjected to a 2 hour dyno test to meet emissions standards. This will include three 30 minute runs at cruise RPM (equivalent to 100 kmh highway driving). Each of these cycles will have three random RPM reductions to 60%, 75% and 90% of cruise with set recoveries to cruise.
    There will be three further ten minute cycles with three reductions to idle, idling for 30 seconds, followed by …

    You get the picture.
    A realistic dyno program could have been devised to be hard to beat.

  170. notafan

    GM

    ‘non binary!

    That explains someone’s use of the word binary as a perjorative!

  171. cohenite

    Bubbles

    #3135423, posted on August 19, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    Trigger me this.

    I was just about to say the same thing.

  172. John Constantine

    Lead in chicom plumbing imported materials.

    Napalm in the imported cladding.

    Glass panels that shatter under stress.

    Shoddy chicom building steel.

    Lucky it is cheap.

  173. Oh come on

    Not quite understanding where you’re coming from, Tel. To boil it down, you seem to be saying:

    – VW didn’t do the wrong thing

    – and anyway, the EPA targeted VW capriciously

    Aren’t these two assertions contradictory? Not having a go. I only want to understand your perspective more clearly.

  174. John Constantine

    Chain of responsibility regulations gutted in nsw to bail out the donor developer Landsharks Class.

    Four corners not asking those responsible for the key themes of donors uber alles.

  175. John Constantine

    The existing building stock is what it is and can’t be fixed.

    Hundreds of thousands of property Ponzi apartment Landsharks deathtraps are slums in waiting.

    Trillion dollar liability.

    Do not buy a new apartment is the four corners warning.

  176. Oh come on

    Lead in chicom plumbing imported materials.

    Yes but their baby formula is top notch! Check the safety rating – it feeds hundreds of millions but has only killed a handful. I say we bring it in by the boatload.

  177. John Constantine

    Four corners apartment Ponzi program calls hundreds of thousands of property investment apartments to be valueless and unreliable.

    Ponzis don’t slowly level out, they crash when enough people try to flee.

  178. notafan

    Mindhunter season 2 ended as expected

    Tedious tropes worthy of an ABC drama series.

    Angry black women furious the KKK wasn’t blamed as though a black man being a serial killer was evidence of racism.

    Finale was on screen note ‘as of 2019 no charges have ever been laid in relation to the other 27 victims’ ( miniscule physical evidence, no witnesses, no confession, no miracles)

    Irl the murders stopped after Wayne Williams was gaoled.

    Nasty politicians, devious senior management, white cops hiding evidence ( (why would a cop remove a white P edos pics of black victims and leave the pics of white victims, most bizarre alleged manifestation of racism ever.)

    Happy married FBI man’s comes home from solving serial killer crime to find wife has done runner with most of the furniture.

    Ho Jim

    If they make another season I hope they stop with the tedious personal relationships and topical tropes.

    We’ll probably get #metoo and an heroic trannie.

  179. Oh come on

    A realistic dyno program could have been devised to be hard to beat.

    I’m not going into bat for whatever stupid regulatory hurdles VW had to jump. But VW knew what these were and decided to cheat. Is this not true? It rolled the dice and lost.

    The fact is that the public – rightly or wrongly and probably wrongly – use benchmarks set by agencies such as the EPA to determine environmental friendliness. VW knew this. So instead of trying to pass a flawed test honestly – or lobby to have the flawed test changed – VW decided to cheat the test that was widely (albeit perhaps wrong-headedly) accepted. It was a gamble VW made that didn’t pay off, and was an exercise in deception. I don’t feel sorry for VW at all.

  180. egg_

    Early warnings 1998-

    Sensors and electronic components in modern light-duty vehicles are capable of ‘detecting’ the start of an emissions test in the laboratory (e.g., based on acceleration sensors or not-driven/not-rotating wheels). Some vehicle functions may only be operational in the laboratory, if a predefined test mode is activated. Detecting emissions tests is problematic from the perspective of emissions legislation, because it may enable the use of defeat devices that activate, modulate, delay, or deactivate emissions control systems with the purpose of either enhancing the effectiveness of these systems during emissions testing or reducing the effectiveness of these systems under normal vehicle operation and use. While the use of defeat devices is generally prohibited, exceptions exist in cases where it is necessary to protect the engine against damage and to ensure safe vehicle operation (EC, 2007). These exceptions leave room for interpretation and provide scope, together with the currently applied test procedure, for tailoring the emissions performance […]

  181. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tel is a mech or electromech engineer.

    VW were preening dicks, but the US EPA were screeching dicks.

    If that’s “cheating” then so is buying a smaller car.

  182. Mitch M.

    Which is why they’ve been building c. 60 naval vessels per year for the last five years.

    Sure, quality matters, but so does quantity.

    In the tank war the USA lost more tanks to friendly fire than Iraqi fire. It was a massacre. China is still a threat but I’d hate to be in a frigate up against a Japanese sub because the first sign of a Japanese sub will be an incoming torpedo.

    China also has one huge drawback: no modern military experience. In a military encounter they will get thrashed because it won’t just be Japan it will also be the USA. China may even instigate a conflict to blood its troops but in doing so would lose all those islands. China’s bluffing and we’re falling for it. If China was serious about military intervention it would have already fired on those freedom of navigation vessels. The parading of the military is grandstanding. China knows that if it starts a conflict it won’t be the one firing the last shot and the political ramifications of that are huge for the Chinese oligarchy.

  183. Oh come on

    Dot, VW owners lost money based on the decisions VW made. Do they not deserve to be compensated by VW?

  184. max

    That woman on 7.30 tonight who told of aborting her child because it had spina bifida said she was quite convinced her decision was the right one. She seemed to want to give the impression of being completely unconcerned about it all.

    Then in the next sentence she admitted to feelings of rage and anger at “religious” opponents of the NSW bill.
    The ABC was of course enjoining the viewer to those feelings.
    No hint of why such women might feel like that.

  185. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Crossie
    #3134750, posted on August 18, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    +1

  186. twostix

    There’s no way that faggy VW’s aren’t passing emissions tests and Corvettes and Mustangs are.

    Americans know how to look after their own industry against foreign scum. Their EPA and unions are fully of communists, but they’re at least patriotic communists. They know what had to be done at that time to prop up the industry.

    The whole thing was hilarious.

  187. Bruce in WA

    I always wondered why if the VW onboard computer could make the engine run leaner and cleaner when being tested, why couldn’t it do it all the time?

    (I’d have a Touraeg in a heartbeat if I could afford one!)

  188. max

    If China was serious about military intervention it would have already fired on those freedom of navigation vessels. The parading of the military is grandstanding.

    For how much longer ?

    They’re already working on a second aircraft carrier. Their intentions are obvious to all.

  189. cohenite

    notafan

    #3135525, posted on August 19, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    Mindhunter season 2 ended as expected

    What a pity. Series 1 was good; but if it’s gone woke I won’t bother.

    Everything netfucks does get’s a woke context sooner or later.

  190. John Constantine

    Big Australia has used mass importation of millions of the worlds poorest people as the starting point for the debt fueled dogbox Ponxi apartment Landsharks economic genocide of Australia.

    A trillion dollars of unfunded infrastructure liabilities, the eternal dilution of the amenity of the cities, capped off by our elite kleptocracy bailing out the developers with taxpayer funds, while passing legislation protecting the developer donor class against any chain of responsibility legislation, protecting the developer donor class against any ‘unfit for purpose’ lawsuit and protecting the developer donor class against ‘ Safe Property’ social licence to operate public backlash.

    How does the population Ponxi dogbox scheme have the social licence to do trillions of dollars of damage to Australia?.

    How are all these apartment developments ever going to be all safely demolished as they all reach the end of their shoddy lifespan in the same decade or so?. The same time as the windmills all wear out and the solar panels go dark.

    The pin has been pulled on the economic genocide hand grenade. Who is going to throw their body on it to take one for the team?.

    What a brilliant idea that would be, julie bishop.

  191. twostix

    Also equally hilarious is back in the mid 2000’s the exact same dumbos now fanboying and obsessed with electric cars saving the planet were obsessed with VW diesels for the exact same reason.

    When the VW thing broke it was glorious, though ever the braindead NPC mob they simply moved onto electric car fanboyism which Musk capitalised on and cultivated his following by openly courting them.

  192. Boambee John

    Mitch M

    China also has one huge drawback: no modern military experience.

    Their last major punch up was a ground war against Vietnam. Thd Viets handled them very roughly, in a ground war where the Chinese could be expected to perform at least adequately.

    An air or naval stoush would be more challenging, and the population will not be happy once large numbers of the little emperors become casualties.

    Rock, meet hard place.

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    I always wondered why if the VW onboard computer could make the engine run leaner and cleaner when being tested, why couldn’t it do it all the time?

    Oh,they could they could…if you wanted a gutless engine that accelerated like an arthritic snail.

  194. twostix

    That woman on 7.30 tonight who told of aborting her child because it had spina bifida said she was quite convinced her decision was the right one. She seemed to want to give the impression of being completely unconcerned about it all.

    They never interview the woman who aborted her six month along baby for “social” reasons.

    And they never interview the abortionist, the man who wields the scissors and vaccuum and shears.

  195. JC

    OCO

    The issue was with Diesel engines.

  196. Oh come on

    Which is why they’ve been building c. 60 naval vessels per year for the last five years.

    Sure, quality matters, but so does quantity.

    Crew quality matters even more in a combat scenario. This is something that cannot be measured on paper.

  197. Oh come on

    The issue was with Diesel engines.

    I know, JC.

    Anyway. Look at this diesel beauty from Oldsmobile! You can see why the Krauts felt they needed to cheat.

  198. John Constantine

    We have already established that chicom paratroopers do not need to survive thousands of kilometer long logistics transport under fire to drop into victoria to assault defended positions to demolish victorias ability to defend itself.

    They just wave OBOR funding at their andrews government and their victorian quislings dynamite whatever the peoples liberation army tell them to.

    The peoples liberation army secret police has the social licence to operate as it sees fit in yarragrad already. Military not required.

    Comrade OBOR Maaaaaaates.

  199. mh

    CHINESE SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE PREVENTS 2.5 MILLION “DISCREDITED ENTITIES” FROM BUYING PLANE TICKETS

    https://www.infowars.com/chinese-social-credit-score-prevents-2-5-million-discredited-entities-from-buying-plane-tickets/

    The Commies are bragging about it

    Global Times

    @globaltimesnews
    China restricted 2.56 million discredited entities from purchasing plane tickets, and 90,000 entities from buying high-speed rail tickets in July: NDRC #socialcredit

    The State lowers you credit score if you

    — Have a friend online who has a low credit score.
    – Post “fake news” online.
    – Criticize the government.
    – Visit unauthorized websites.

  200. Bruce in WA

    Just heard that a workmate and friend was killed in a car accident on the weekend. Unlicensed 17-y-o driver (!) rolled the car on the Newman — Nullagine Road. RIP, Rosei.

  201. JC

    The State lowers you credit score if you

    — Have a friend online who has a low credit score.
    – Post “fake news” online.
    – Criticize the government.
    – Visit unauthorized websites.

    Kind of happening in the so-called free West too.

  202. Oh come on

    “We just unfollowed President Trump on Twitter! Yaaay!”

  203. mh

    James O’Malley

    @Psythor
    Here’s a dystopian vision of the future: A real announcement I recorded on the Beijing-Shanghai bullet train. (I’ve subtitled it so you can watch in silence.)
    https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1056811593177227264?s=20

  204. Old School Conservative

    Condolences Bruce.
    Family members went through a similar thing last year so I can understand your feelings.

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thinking of you, Bruce.

  206. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/19/victoria-police-say-sorry-to-lgbtiq-community-for-causing-unacceptable-harm

    Their vikpol are not the scariest cops operating in yarragrad, Currently the chicom secret police only catch and kill their own, but now they operate victorias security cameras, it doesn’t take much more computing power to monitor all victorians instead of just the Chinese diaspora.

    While vikpol do mardigras, disarm the proles and crush footy fans calling umpires “bald headed flogs”, the Tyrants secret police monitor all members of the victorian Chinese diaspora they find of interest.

    How much protection would the victorian State offer to a Chinese Assange?.

  207. Old School Conservative

    A real announcement I recorded on the Beijing-Shanghai bullet train.

    Aha! “Social licence” is becoming clearer to me now.

  208. Steve trickler

    Not bad. Not at all.



  209. Mitch M.

    For how much longer ?

    They’re already working on a second aircraft carrier. Their intentions are obvious to all.

    The existing aircraft carrier is a ski jump which is near useless for serious warfare and the fighters have numerous problems because they reverse engineered a Su 30 and stuffed it up. One aircraft carrier needs a huge fleet and will be the first target. It takes decades to develop aircraft carrier operations which is why the USA has 11 and the rest of the world has a few none of which compare to the USA’s current carriers.

    I’m not denying China is a problem but the more I look into the detailed military aspects the more I realise that just as they engage in propaganda we also are hyping the threat just as happened with the missle gap argument. Or the Cuban missile crisis when the USA had silos in Turkey and regular sorties of B 52s each loaded with 3 hydrogen bombs that refueled over Spain to do their patrol 10 miles inside the Turkey border.

    Crew quality matters even more in a combat scenario. This is something that cannot be measured on paper.

    Exactly. As many fighter pilots attest in the end it is the pilot that makes all the difference. Both Japan and the USA have extensive military training and exercises that the Chinese military can never hope to match. Training makes a huge difference. The Top Gun program was begun because of all the air losses in Vietnam and it completely changed the kill ratios.

    If China had any real confidence in its capacity to mount an aggressive campaign it would be doing so. It hasn’t fired a single shot in anger. It is securing sea lanes, it is securing it’s coast against attack. It is even building a canal across the Malaysian peninsula just in case there is a blockade of the Malacca strait but apparently that canal won’t take full tonnage shipping, probably more for military ships.

    I wish the USA would make a stand and give China a deadline to vacate those island chains because in future decades China could be a serious threat to South East Asia. As one former Navy general quipped: we could take one of those islands in a few hours. There’s hyperbole in that claim but how on earth do you defend a speck in the ocean?

    Be much more concerned about cyber warfare, intelligence agencies, and forming alliances in places like Africa and SE Asia. That’s the real threat from China and they probably are good as anyone in that game.

  210. mh

    Dan Crenshaw
    @DanCrenshawTX
    In Hong Kong, antifascists wave American flags, demand freedom and actually fight fascists.

    In Portland, “antifascists” burn American flags, demand violence in the name of socialism.

    Portland is a sad showing of where we are today. All around.

    Also yes obviously buy Greenland
    9:48 AM · Aug 18, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

  211. JC

    According to a comment in this vid, the Harvard fee this year is… wait for it.. $99,000. Not sure if it includes board, but if doesn’t it would be higher. FMD.

    https://www.wsj.com/video/series/journal-editorial-report/opinion-hits-and-misses-of-the-week/87A3FB37-E6C5-408F-A6D2-B523E6BE62DE

  212. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Here’s a dystopian vision of the future:

    Hardly a vision of the future.
    Australia’s 1986 ID Card legislation included provision for any person to be declared a “nonperson”. Effectively that meant you became a prisoner in your own home, unable to even buy groceries.
    That was 33 years ago.

  213. JC

    Exactly. As many fighter pilots attest in the end it is the pilot that makes all the difference. Both Japan and the USA have extensive military training and exercises that the Chinese military can never hope to match. Training makes a huge difference. The Top Gun program was begun because of all the air losses in Vietnam and it completely changed the kill ratios.

    Back in the early 90s I had a dude work for me as a jnr trader who was previously a pilot on a carrier. They worked 4 hours a day doing training such as landings and takeoffs in sorts of weather and time of day. The most frightening was stormy weather at night time and total darkness. He reckons he broke out in cold sweat.

    This is the software that needs ages to replicate. Just owning one of these beasts doesn’t give you anything much unless you know how to use and protect them.

  214. Oh come on

    It’s fairly likely that by the time China gets up to speed wrt carrier operations, that form of naval warfare will be obsolete. There are some absolutely critical factors that can only be determined in battle, such as damage control. The USN has a long track record of being great at this – primarily demonstrated during WW2, but also in cases such as the attack on the USS Cole.

    China can steal all of the blueprints it likes, but if its ships cannot recover effectively from battle damage, then they will be unceremoniously sunk. The IJN had this problem in the Pacific.

  215. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    For how much longer ?

    Right on all counts, Mitch M.
    And when you quote 11 aircraft carriers that’s only the supersize nuclear powered ones. They have just as many if not more smaller ones, powered by diesel or gas turbine. And separate from all hose the Marines have their own fleet of carriers. Plus both the navy and the marines have helicopter carriers similar to our own failed two ships.

    The Chinese aren’t preparing to invade anybody. They’re getting ready to repel borders.
    They know what’s coming.

  216. JC

    The wonders of sanctuary cities hey.

    Good job, Democrats. This is how you know that they’re going to vote for your candidates: because they like raping under age girls like Jeffrey Epstein.

    A vote for a Dem is a vote for child rape.
    Quote Tweet
    Elizabeth Harrington
    @LizRNC
    · Aug 15
    Democrats gave illegal immigrants sanctuary and they raped an 11-year-old girl

    Maryland did not follow ICE’s deportation order, issued Dec 2016

    Instead they stayed in the country and raped a middle schooler “on multiple occasions”

  217. JC

    How about that.

    Australia is now the world’s fourth-largest truffle producer (after Italy, France and Croatia) but coaxing a crop isn’t easy,

  218. dover_beach

    In 1996, Pell molested two 13-year-old boys at St Kevin’s College. While Pell has denied the accusations, evidence brought forward proved that the victim of his crime was telling the truth.

    What evidence was brought forward? There was no corroborating evidence. None. Zip. Look at this standard of journalism, they can’t even get the location of the alleged offence correct. Monkeys.

  219. dover_beach

    That woman on 7.30 tonight who told of aborting her child because it had spina bifida

    Ok, so why aren’t we also killing people post partum with spina bifida?

  220. Mitch M.

    The most frightening was stormy weather at night time and total darkness. He reckons he broke out in cold sweat.

    I recently watched an interview with an F14 pilot who said that while many people think the most difficult time is in combat he said it was the last 30 seconds coming in to land.

  221. Oh come on

    That woman on 7.30 tonight who told of aborting her child because it had spina bifida

    I wonder how this woman and her supporters feel about Aktion T4. Logically, they’d be all for it, right?

  222. max

    Hold the front page:

    Bert Newton, 81, appears downcast as he leaves a TAB in Melbourne- after it was claimed wife Patti ‘gives him a weekly gambling budget to control his spending’

    Bert really had a big problem with the horses twenty years ago. Owed a lot of money. Brian Martin bailed him out with a loan. Bert got help and swore off it for a while but retirement leaves you with a lot of empty time to fill.

  223. twostix

    The next great industrial war will be fought with millions, perhaps billions of automous and semi-autonomous vehicles and drones large and small.

    Swarms of zero cost drones carrying explosives and small arms will blacken the sky of the warring nations. They will invade buildings. They will mercilessly eradicate any living thing in a X-km square area. There won’t be a battlefield in the sense of ww2 style of large groups of people shooting at each other anymore than people march in straight lines up to face-to-face anymore.

    Ultimately they’ll be deployed from rockets fired from deep inside the home country into space over the other country, as the large lumbering war machines we have today won’t last the first 12 months of relentless waves of thousands of drone attacks.

    Human troops will only move in to mop up and claim victory over defeated areas after the work is done.

    The idea that we’re going to re-run ww2 with a couple of dozen fighter jets and 10 aircraft carriers battling it out is patently ridiculous.

  224. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Bert Newton, 81, appears downcast as he leaves a TAB in Melbourne- after it was claimed wife Patti ‘gives him a weekly gambling budget to control his spending’

    Marilyn had me on a “Bunnings budget”.

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    And light sabres and Imperial walkers and ewoks.

  226. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The idea that we’re going to re-run ww2 with a couple of dozen fighter jets and 10 aircraft carriers battling it out is patently ridiculous.

    That’s right, Twostix.
    That’s one of the reasons why it’s not gunna happen.
    Just like your drone war which is straight out of the “Boys Own Adventure Stories”.

  227. twostix

    If you weren’t 100 and living in bumfuck nowhere writing memoirs about your time as a pointless CEC kook who has wasted his life writing drivel for Australia’s weirdos to absolutely no effect at all, you might know something about the state of small automonous vehicles.

  228. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    My apologies, Twostix.
    I never realised every two-bit shit-hole country on earth – except Australia – already had the capability to deploy a million or so AI nano drones at a moments notice. I guess that makes the Yanks entire military obsolete.

    Forgive my ignorance. I bow to your vastly superior knowledge in these matters.

  229. Mitch M.

    ‘Lamborghini body’ Instagram powerlifter admits to having steroids and growth hormones
    Long ago when gyms were a new thing we used to joke about those on steroids because you could see them puff up rather quickly.

    Today I notice many men bulking up big time. There’s no point developing huge muscles, just more metabolic loading. Better to be strong and with good VO 2 max rather than focusing on big muscles. Sure beef up but be realistic and don’t go mad like this chap has, I suspect he has an unrecognised form of OCD that is found in many gyms throughout the country.

    Another thing that strikes about gym work is the amount of time people spend training. I’m not sure that’s needed. I think it is better to be focused and intense, keeping the time under 1 hour. I had a unique opportunity in the early days because I knew the gym owner and he gave me the keys. So being a night owl I would roll up just after 9.00 pm closing time, set up the the equipment and then hit it hard and fast with full concentration.

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