Tuesday Forum: August 20, 2019

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  1. Diogenes

    Black Ball,
    The Flora and Fauna Act is a Dreamtime Myth..
    Even the that Fascist , Rascist hotbed of thoughthe ABC Fact Check Unit says so
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

  2. Diogenes

    Mater,
    you beat metoo it.

    At a Naidoc Week thing our boss also mentioned the Flora & Foana Act , and she was not happy when I tackled her about it & had printed off this page and given it to her.

  3. Black Ball

    Thank you thus far Diogenes and Mater. Will peruse this material after a few beers at the conclusion of work.

  4. 1735099

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha, I have seen you (I think) talk about this Flora and Fauna Act that Aboriginal people were counted under or whatever.

    That’s just another myth.
    It derives from blackfellas making a joke about it because they weren’t considered as people, so that left only flora and fauna.
    It has about the same standing as every Nasho who served in Vietnam was a volunteer.
    Both are rationalisations after the fact.

  5. Black Ball

    Was any of our best and brightest asked about this last night on Q&A?

  6. Dr Faustus

    Emperor Xi’s eunuchs reach out and give instruction and guidance to the Australian satraps:

    “It is totally understandable and reasonable for Chinese students and other Chinese citizens overseas to express indignation and opposition against such words and deeds that attempt to separate China and smear its image,” foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said.

    “We also hope overseas Chinese can express their patriotism in a rational way and protect themselves from harm.

    “The Chinese Government asks overseas Chinese to observe local laws and regulations. In the meantime, we hope relevant countries can understand and respect their legal activities and protect their lawful rights and interests.

    Taking the piss.

  7. The actual reason for Aboriginals not being counted in the census seems to be overlooked in all the discussion.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Where else?
    Florida man opens front door; kinkajou runs in, bites him

    The Fox version has some details:

    The man told investigators he’d seen the fruit-eating mammal sitting on an outside fence the day before and he’d left some watermelon for it to eat. He added that the next morning, when he was leaving the apartment, the kinkajou was right outside the door.

    “The Kinkajou immediately attacked him, biting him on the ankles,” the report said, adding that the man tried to force the animal back outside but couldn’t so he eventually pushed the kinkajou into the bathroom and closed the door.

    Obviously the critter rather likes watermelons.

  9. 1735099

    Quote from the Kiwi PM –

    I understand that [Jones] of course used to be closely linked to the Wallabies… let’s just say that I think revenge is best served through a Bledisloe Cup

    The All Blacks retained the Bledisloe Cup on Saturday for the 17th year in a row, after crushing the Wallabies 36-0 at Eden Park in Auckland.

    Ouch….

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Same for me re AJ on 2GB, Cassie. Don’t tune in to talk-back, but I have a new appreciation of AJ due to Sky’s Jones and Credlin, so it’s good to hear Tinta’s back story about him is so positive too. He has a big following in the swinging electorates of Sydney’s west, so I am told by friends and rellies there, and also so I am told by others in the Newcastle region where Mark Latham romped it in. Australia-wide AJ strikes a chord with people who the elites think don’t count.

    Tinta, thinking of you. Have a well-deserved holiday in the land of beautiful vistas and sublime artworks.

  11. Mater

    At a Naidoc Week thing our boss also mentioned the Flora & Foana Act , and she was not happy when I tackled her about it & had printed off this page and given it to her.

    Same thing at my work, but the guest speaker went further. Claimed that the government was issuing permits to hunt and kill aboriginals up to, and including, 1952. He did concede that said permits only allowed one per day.

    A large percentage of my workplace is made up of new Australians. Such revelations came as news to them and their revolution at our ‘white history’ was palpable, as I guess was the aim of the talk.. This same speaker regularly gives the same talk at schools. It was disgusting, and I’ve only mentioned a little of what he spruiked.

  12. Des Deskperson

    ‘The Flora and Fauna Act is a Dreamtime Myth’

    According to the University of NSW:

    https://teaching.unsw.edu.au/indigenous-terminology

    the term ‘Dreamtime is not appropriate:

    “The word “Dreamtime” tends to indicate a time period, which has finished. In reality, the Dreamings are ongoing all over Australia.”

    well for whitey, at least:

    “However, many Aboriginal people do still use the word “Dreamtime”, and this usage must be respected.’

    Being entirely ‘woke’ is not easy.

  13. Black Ball

    And your contribution will be read also Numbers. As I said, I haven’t heard of this until I started posting here. So thank you.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ps Tinta, be wary of small Italian lifts. Always take your phone with you when you enter one.

    Just a word there from the voice of recent experience 🙂

  15. C.L.

    I understand that [Jones] of course used to be closely linked to the Wallabies… let’s just say that I think revenge is best served through a Bledisloe Cup

    A pretty dumb rejoinder given that Jones has been the Wallabies’ foremost critic for at least three years. Stay in your lane, dear.

  16. Chris

    I have a Greek Colleague. And a Saffie.
    Saffie says:

    We have lots of Greeks in South Africa. They all have vegie shops.
    They aren’t allowed to play soccer.
    Every time they get a corner they open a shop.

  17. zyconoclast

    REVEALED: Mystery brunette who Prince Andrew waved goodbye to from Jeffrey Epstein’s p*******e lair’ is the activist daughter of former Australian prime minister Paul Keating’

    A mystery brunette seen with Prince Andrew in a bombshell video shot at Jeffrey Epstein’s New York mansion in December 2010 is believed to be Katherine Keating, the daughter of former Australian prime minister Paul Keating.

    -She is now a ‘sustainability’ campaigner who works for a showbusiness talent agency that represents Sir Paul McCartney and U2
    -Keating, now 37, also partied with Ghislaine Maxwell and presented a fawning interview with the alleged procurer, calling her a ‘philanthropist’

  18. John Constantine

    The government today set out its position on shale gas exploration as Cuadrilla resumed hydraulic fracturing (fracking) operations at its site in Preston New Road, Lancashire.A BEIS spokesperson said:Shale gas could be an important new domestic energy source reducing the level of gas imports while delivering broad economic benefits, including through the creation of well-paid, quality jobs. It could also support our transition to net zero emissions by 2050.We have world-leading regulations that ensure shale gas exploration happens in a safe and environmentally responsible way”

    AJL confirmed,

    “Cuadrilla has advised that 4 successful frac stages had been completed by the end of Monday19th August. These were all completed as per design with 30 tonnes of sand injected into theShale in Stage 1 and 50 tonnes of sand in each of stages 2 through 4. There were no breachesof the 0.5 “red light” limit on the micro-seismic Traffic Light System in any of the stages.”

    Laura Hughes, Projects and Operations Director at Cuadrilla said,

    “The UK onshore shale exploration industry as a whole remains excited about the prospect of the BowlandShale formation – estimated by the British Geologic Survey to contain some 1,300 trillion cubic feet ofnatural gas.”

    Boris brings fracking to Britain.

    AJL, the asx listed British fracker goes for a run.

  19. JC

    WTF is this deification of Jones going on? The guy is a first rate prick. Singlehandedly, he caused a major energy shortage in the country peddling the Lock the Gate bullshit. I wish they used the same helicopter he wanted to use on the Lying Slapper and dump the fucker outside the Heads. He’s a dishonest, self interested self absorbed prick.

    If Australians are supporting and listening to him, then they’re morons. Koala and him deserve each other.

  20. calli

    “The word “Dreamtime” tends to indicate a time period, which has finished. In reality, the Dreamings are ongoing all over Australia.”

    Kess of a dream, more of a nightmare.

    For the taxpayer at any rate. And it’s most often a high one.

  21. calli

    Keating, now 37, also partied with Ghislaine Maxwell and presented a fawning interview with the alleged procurer, calling her a ‘philanthropist’

    The atomic bonds between scum are strong.

  22. Whalehunt fun

    And it’s most often a high one.

    Presume. then that all this dream time stuff is just the crazed meanderings of minds high on whatever drug is popular at the moment. Sounds right to me.

  23. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    It’s a pity He Who Must Not Be Named doesn’t like me mentioning him.
    Otherwise I could congratulate him wholeheartedly for his comment above re Jones.

  24. calli

    We ‘like’ Jones now, JC.

    The shutupperer has been targetted by bigger, noisier shutuppers. A bit like the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Until he isn’t.

  25. “When you enemy is fighting your enemy, STFU and don’t disturb them”

    h/t Me

  26. calli

    And Tinta.

    Live dangerously.

    Take the lift. Ride the Vespa. Drink from the fountains (and dance in them).

  27. egg_

    The All Blacks retained the Bledisloe Cup on Saturday for the 17th year in a row, after crushing the Wallabies 36-0 at Eden Park in Auckland.

    Their “All White” side probably couldn’t beat our Schoolboy side.

  28. calli

    The Wallabies need Folau.

    🤓

  29. zyconoclast

    Out of control rat population has begun killing dogs and threatens to infect humans

    Seven dogs have died after becoming infected with leptospirosis – a disease spread by rats.

  30. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Until he isn’t.

    He never was, Calli.
    Never confuse convenience for friendship.

  31. egg_

    According to the University of NSW:

    https://teaching.unsw.edu.au/indigenous-terminology

    the term ‘Dreamtime is not appropriate:

    He’s dreaming.

  32. calli

    I don’t think I have, Peter. You have to be realistic about these things.

    He’s a warty old munchkin, but the principle still stands. Him now, next Sinc, or you, or me.

  33. Tintarella di Luna

    Have fun in Italy, Tinta. 🙂

    calli there have been some rather tense moments like arriving at the wrong ferry stop in Venezia looking for our apartamento, only to find we should had alighted three stops too soon, Venezia as you well know is not an easy place to get around – suitcases and stairs not a good mix, finally arrived after another ferry ride and some sweating and swearing. But all made so much better with a beautiful meal beside Il Canal Grande at sunset.

    Yesterday the hilarity of picking up the car in Venezia, what a torment, firstly the travel agent organised a car through a provider we’d never heard of, took me half an hour to find the office at Mestre railway station, the car is an obscure German experiment, nothing helpful like rear cameras etc… and …no GPS, went down to pay extra for GPS, got back to the car, it didn’t work, then the young service chap went down again and got one that did work, but it was in German so no changing the settings because ich spreche kein deutsch finally the young chap called the office and was talked through setting to English.

    Then we were on our way to Treviso to meet up with our son, his wife, her aunt and our little granddaughter for lunch. My son reckoned we’d had the combination of four Shakespearean plays, the Comedy of Errors, the Merchant of Venice, Much Ado about Nothing and All’s Well that Ends Well.

    Late yesterday we settled into house we’ve rented for a few days in the Prosecco Valley where my relatives live.

    Last night we dined in a restaurant in Follina – the Prosecco was absolutely superb, the food a fantasia in cibo – while we were there the owner of the restaurant said we were to have a surprise visit from some relatives and my cousin and his wife joined us for coffee and dessert, they’d driven the 45 minute journey from their village to catch up with us, what a delightful family reunion. The owners of the restaurant could not have been more welcoming.

    They are country people and had eaten dinner hours before. My cousin’s wife held our little sleeping granddaughter while her mamma was able to finish the fine meal she’d ordered. Such a beautiful restaurant set in the exquisite gardens of a century-old home, there was casual dining or gourmet dining – a once in a lifetime experience, expensive but worth every centesimo.

    In October there will be a ceremony there for the chef to receive her third Michelin star. Indeed, last night furnished a very large deposit in the memory bank.

  34. Diogenes

    the term ‘Dreamtime is not appropriate:
    “The word “Dreamtime” tends to indicate a time period, which has finished. In reality, the Dreamings are ongoing all over Australia.”

    1967 referendum ‘stopped’ that myth. Unless that fix I put in for Y2K has buggered up, 2019 > 1967 therefore my use of Dreamtime is correct, then again, given the widespread nature of the myth, then Dreaming could also be used , as in ‘tell em they’re dreaming’

  35. Zaan

    Looks like Monty has found a new home at Mamamia

  36. JC

    Tint

    What did you eat though. You never said.

  37. C.L.

    Reading an article today by an anti-Pell, Milligan-informed source, I learned that living choirboy also used heroin; he and deceased choirboy took it up at the same time. Mmm.

  38. egg_

    Dreamtime

    Would’ve been a nightmare for the Negritos.

  39. calli

    Beautiful, Tinta!

    All the problems are what makes a holiday special. Your vaporetto-ing up and down the canal is just like we did. Parked the car at Tronchetto and took the wrong turn. 😂

    Keep tabs on all the good eateries and give us a list upon your return.

    Cats and Kittehs are great gormandisers, as you know.

  40. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You have to be realistic about these things.

    Believe me, I am, Calli.
    And unlike you, I know the prick.
    Personally.

    Jones has never done anything that wasn’t ultimately to his own, personal benefit.
    Measured in dollars. At significant and painful cost to those around him.

  41. egg_

    Dreamtime (also dream time, dream-time) is a term devised by early anthropologists to refer to a religio-cultural worldview attributed to Australian Aboriginal beliefs. It was originally used by Francis Gillen, quickly adopted by his colleague Baldwin Spencer and thereafter popularised by A. P. Elkin, who, however, later revised his views. The Dreaming is used to represent Aboriginal concepts of “time out of time” or “everywhen”, during which the land was inhabited by ancestral figures, often of heroic proportions or with supernatural abilities. These figures were often distinct from “gods” as they did not control the material world and were not worshipped, but only revered. The concept of the dreamtime has subsequently become widely adopted beyond its original Australian context and is now part of global popular culture.

  42. JC

    Hey, I don’t want to ruin anyone’s holiday. The one problem I’ve had in Venice is that you never get enough food on your plate. It’s like the fuckers measure it with lab scales and I’ve also complained about the size of the meals.

    It was only after arriving in Florence that I could get a decent sized meal.

  43. Some History

    Sydney Lord Mayor backs climate change strike, in virtue-signalling madness

    And she thanks the rats for their support.

  44. calli

    I am at two degrees of separation, Peter. I believe you.

    The principle still stands. No one should have their livelihood threatened by the perpetually aggreived. And this one is particularly confected.

  45. struth

    Is he confusing “dreamtime” with living the dream?
    That certainly continues.
    Because Abba-riginals are certainly living the unproven royal race bloodline dream.
    The black ones, not so much.

  46. Sydney Lord Mayor backs climate change strike, in virtue-signalling madness

    The day approaches where we will need to lock up these climatear ecoloons .

    If we don’t they will send the rational amongst us to re-education camps.

  47. roger

    WTF is this deification of Jones going on?

    Alan Jones is someone speaking his mind. He can continue to do so freely as far as I am concerned, and anyone who doesn’t like listening to him is free to change channels/station, or, for all I care, go fuck themselves.

  48. Boambee John

    Bad Samaritan at 1609

    Only six months after Pearl Harbour and the Japanese were already f*cke thanks to this guy!

    At 1015 on the morning of 4 June, the Japanese were poised to win.

    At 1030, they were facing defeat.

  49. calli

    Best tucker I had in Italy was in a little hole in the wall place in Ravenna, just up from San Vitale. One of those family-run tratts.

    Not many stay there, just dash into the churches to photograph the mosaics then on again to somewhere else.

    We stayed. Good move.

  50. Gab

    Apparently Adam Bandit has a petition to sack Jones from 2GB.

  51. egg_

    Their @rse Bandit does not appoove?

  52. Des Deskperson

    The only intermittently coherent – something of an inverted achievement when you presumably have a teleprompter – Ten New’s Sandra Sully told us just now that Cardinal Pell ‘faces a new judgement’ with the results of his appeal due tomorrow.

    ‘faces a new judgement’

    WTF does she mean??

  53. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Hello Boambee John.

    Last Friday I spent a goodly amount of time at that blog you dircted me to.
    My comments are still in moderation, so I will be giving the place a miss.

    The only things of note are:
    – 1) Use Hadcrut 3 unadjusted global mean rather than the Hadcrut 4 data.
    – 2) Don’t bother arguing with Chris. He is only there to disrupt and derail.

  54. JC

    Apparently Adam Bandit has a petition to sack Jones from 2GB.

    We have a petition to sack Bandt from parliament. He’s such a slimy metrosexual.

  55. roger

    Apparently Adam Bandit has a petition to sack Jones from 2GB.

    There you go, JC, looks like we found your Jones-hating soulmate.

  56. roger

    ‘faces a new judgement’

    WTF does she mean??

    It means some other scumbags are lined up to make allegations against Pell.
    Until one or, better yet, all these scumbags are jailed for twice as long as Pell was jailed, why should this bullshit stop?

  57. JC

    There you go, JC, looks like we found your Jones-hating soulmate.

    Jones is a self important, self aborbed douchebag. However unlike, the metrosexual I’m not advocating to have him fired because he said something funny about the walking dentures.

    More to the point, bot Jones and the metrosexual agree on the lock the gate movement.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha, I have seen you (I think) talk about this Flora and Fauna Act that Aboriginal people were counted under or whatever. I have never heard of this before you and others have brought this up. What exactly is the premise of the Act and how it apparently affected Aboriginal people? Genuinely interested.

    It’s one of the myths of the 1967 referendum, mater and others have posted refuting it above, but Linda Burney repeated the claim in her opening speech in the House of Representatives, and she was allowed to get away with it.

  59. roger

    Jones is a self important, self aborbed douchebag. However unlike, the metrosexual I’m not advocating to have him fired because he said something funny about the walking dentures.

    Now isn’t that oh so gracious of you!

    BTW, between you and Jones, to my knowledge, only one gets millions of dollars per year for expressing his opinions.
    Just sayin’.

  60. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    No

    he denied ever having been molested

    by anyone

    The living guy also effectively perjured himself on the stand.

    Any action of the father could backfire bigly, even if Pell’s appeal is not upheld (or appealed further).

  61. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    More to the point, bot Jones and the metrosexual agree on the lock the gate movement.

    Soft hands.

  62. Tintarella di Luna

    Tint

    What did you eat though. You never said.

    JC I think I’ve bored the blog enough, talking about what was eaten would be like taking pictures of meals, — though you must go and have a meal there it when you are next in Italy, I am sure you won’t be disappointed, all the food is locally sourced, fresh and fabulously cooked and presented, the service not intrusive yet always at hand.

  63. BrettW

    It appears Numbers is happy NZ beat AUS because he supports NZ PM over AJ. Just like he seems to be very happy N Vietnam beat S Vietnam. It is his way of getting back at National Service. Wonder how many Vietnamese were forced to fight for the North ?

    NZ PM should worry about running her own country rather than trying to impose her crackpot ideas on other countries.

    Has she started culling the NZ sheep numbers yet. To save the planet of course. Surely that would give her street cred

  64. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    only one gets millions of dollars per year for expressing his opinions.

    Trouble is, Roger, they aren’t his opinions.
    Somebody, somewhere, is paying him handsomely for those opinions.

  65. JC

    Now isn’t that oh so gracious of you!

    BTW, between you and Jones, to my knowledge, only one gets millions of dollars per year for expressing his opinions.
    Just sayin’.

    True, but if we’re counting money, Jones is wealthier than me and I’m likelier to be much wealthier than you, Roger. In the pyramid you’ve created, you shouldn’t be offering any opinion.

    Jones attacked our energy supplies with determination and the one reason is, as far as I understand it, because he owns something in the Hunter valley . If you think that sort of opinion is valuable, then stop commenting.

  66. Boambee John

    Peter at 1735

    Sorry that your comments got caught in moderation. Don is in a nursing home, and is not always well enough to keep up. He apparently had a bad period last week. If your comments appear, I will let you know.

    The two contrarians there are interesting. Stu is apparently an IT type (he mentioned working on Y2K a couple of days ago). His belief is complete and unreasoning, even to the point of being regularly internally inconsistent. That said, he seems not to be nasty.

    Chris, otoh, causes me grave concern. His “solution” to CAGW has two elements. The first is reducing per capita CO2 emissions. If you are a believer, that is a reasonable proposal, albeit not one that would produce quick results. His apparent lack of a sense of urgency is what worries me about his second element.

    That is to first stop human population growth, then to reverse it. I have pointed out the fraught history of attempts to do this in Chjna and India, and asked him how he proposes to achieve his aim. He refuses to comment on the blog, saying that planning should be by “adults having an adult conversation”. That suggests that the conversation might consider options that normal people would reject. Words like “Final Solution” form in my suspicious mind.

    I will keep niggling at him!

  67. Top Ender

    A few nice phrases from Chris Kenny:

    Sydney Lord Mayor backs climate change strike, in virtue-signalling madness
    CHRIS KENNY

    Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore has moved to support the global strike for climate change, which has featured schoolchildren skipping class.

    35 MINUTES AGO AUGUST 20, 201942 COMMENTS

    When your employer encourages you to go on strike, is it still a strike? And what about the people who pay your wages, should they get a say?

    These and other imponderables are the latest questions thrown up by the ongoing spectacle of climate activist madness. While the stunts become increasingly silly, indulged by complicit politicians and media, it is taxpayers who are being taken for a ride.

    Just two months after becoming one of the first virtue-signalling local governments to declare a “climate emergency”, Sydney City Council has voted to support the Global Strike for Climate Change.

    The strikes in the past have been led by schoolchildren bludging a day out of the classroom, but now they are urging “workers across the world” to join them.

    And, incredibly, so is Sydney’s Town Hall. A council motion backs the strike, calls on councillors to attend and even orders its administration to support council staff who want time off to get involved.

    Lord Mayor Clover Moore and six councillors supported the motion last night, while three others voted against it. So, on Friday September 20th, when dewy-eyed school students and socialist activists rally in the streets of Sydney to ban this nation’s largest export industry, among other things, Town Hall will be cheering them on.

    The council wants its own staff to be part of the strike and the protests; which could get kind of messy if the council needs to block off streets, provide security, issue permits or clean up the rubbish.

    The campaign wants to ban all new coal or gas projects, demand all energy be renewable and insist that money, sucked from somewhere, is used to retrain workers from the axed industries so they can take up other unspecified jobs in other unspecified places at another unspecified time.

    It sounds like a foolproof economic plan — next, they should demand the installation of a fountain of youth.

    Sydney ratepayers, of course, are not left out. They are free to attend the strike and its rally — so long as they don’t mind the risk to their own jobs or the costs to their own businesses. September 20 should be a great day in Sydney; perhaps the rubbish bins will go uncollected, planning applications will sit assessed, parks and gardens will be left untended and the libraries will be a free for all.

    Presumably no parking tickets will be issued on that day. And all ratepayers, no doubt, can look forward to having an amount of their annual rate notice rebated to compensate for the day the council decided its service obligations didn’t really matter.

    Strike me pink. If they shut down Sydney City Council, wouldn’t it have a non-existent carbon footprint? And what would be the downside?

    CHRIS KENNY
    ASSOCIATE EDITOR (NATIONAL AFFAIRS)

    Commentator, author and former political adviser, Chris Kenny also hosts The Kenny Report Monday-Thursday 12-2pm, Kenny on Sunday at 8pm, and Kenny on Media on Mondays at 8pm

  68. JC

    JC I think I’ve bored the blog enough, talking about what was eaten would be like taking pictures of meals, — though you must go and have a meal there it when you are next in Italy, I am sure you won’t be disappointed, all the food is locally sourced, fresh and fabulously cooked and presented, the service not intrusive yet always at hand.

    Heading back to Capri (again) next year. What’s the place called.

  69. roger

    Somebody, somewhere, is paying him handsomely for those opinions.

    Jones gets paid millions of dollars because people (like me and millions more) enjoy listening to him.
    This is the main reason why the Left tries to silence him.
    They are scared of him.

  70. feelthebern

    Venice stinks.
    A tourist trap to avoid until they do something about the pong.

  71. feelthebern

    Soft hands.

    Are we talking about Dave Sharma ?

  72. cohenite

    Jones has been a jack-ass about fracking but he is one the few media arseholes who is a climate sceptic; although he sometimes defaults to the Bolta weak position that alarmism is real but Australia is to small to be arsed.

    There has never been a flora and fauna act.

  73. egg_

    Jones gets paid millions of dollars because people (like me and millions more) enjoy listening to him.

    The good ole Aussie tall poppy syndrome is alive and well, it seems.

  74. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    How much GDP growth per year have my analysts JC and IT calculated that AJ has cost the economy?

    I think AJ’s pernicious influence against minerals and energy has forced many to live in less salubrious suburbs.

    At the end of the day, we have to sing from the same songsheet boys. Haven’t we been here before? It’s tough out there.

  75. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    This is the main reason why the Left tries to silence him.
    They are scared of him.

    If you truly believe that, Roger, then you are even more gullible than the average Catallaxian.

  76. roger

    True, but if we’re counting money, Jones is wealthier than me and I’m likelier to be much wealthier than you, Roger. In the pyramid you’ve created, you shouldn’t be offering any opinion.

    Jones attacked our energy supplies with determination and the one reason is, as far as I understand it, because he owns something in the Hunter valley . If you think that sort of opinion is valuable, then stop commenting.

    In other words, if you disagree with me, shut up.
    Get fucked, JC. You’re an idiot.

  77. Some History

    Is Sydney on its way to becoming Australia’s San Francisco?

  78. feelthebern

    Ross Lyon’s time in Freo has not been kind to him.
    Has he developed an ice addiction in the last 12 months?

  79. JC

    Jones gets paid millions of dollars because people (like me and millions more) enjoy listening to him.

    I don’t quite understand your hostility here. I’ve never told you to stop listening to the little prick. I’ve never suggested he get thrown off air. In fact, yesterday, when I heard about Koala pulling their ads I was the first to comment about it, which caused a string of other comments.
    I think, Jones is a sack of useless shit and does nothing for the real problems we’re facing… energy shortages being the main one. If you agree with him, then that’s that.

    This is the main reason why the Left tries to silence him.

    They are scared of him.

    Yes and?

    Your default position is that Jones cannot be attacked from the right, correct?

  80. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    then you are even more gullible than the average Catallaxian.

    Ah yes, appeal to the ignorant know it all crackpots, call every reasonable person “sheeple!”, very droll and predictable.

  81. JC

    In other words, if you disagree with me, shut up.
    Get fucked, JC. You’re an idiot.

    Eggsactly. The exact tacit you tried on me just blew up in your face.

  82. calli

    we have to sing from the same songsheet boys

    Harrrumph!

    Anyways, it’s a round. With contrapuntal leanings.

  83. feelthebern

    Is Sydney on its way to becoming Australia’s San Francisco?

    No.
    Sydney is the jewel in the Australian crown.
    All other cities (& I use that word loosely) are jealous.

  84. feelthebern

    Is Sydney on its way to becoming Australia’s San Francisco?

    No.
    Sydney is the j*wel in the Australian crown.
    All other cities (& I use that word loosely) are jealous.

  85. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    All other cities (& I use that word loosely) are jealous.

    You haven’t been West of Haberfield in a long time, have you?

  86. JC

    Jones has been a jack-ass about fracking but he is one the few media arseholes who is a climate sceptic; although he sometimes defaults to the Bolta weak position that alarmism is real but Australia is to small to be arsed.

    How is he a climate septic when he’s against fracking, which is sourcing a major supply of energy we are critically (and artificially) short of. What’s his solution then, more windmills?

    We’re paying 4 times the US gas price when we have likely reserves that would match the US by extracting in the same way.

  87. Black Ball

    Ross Lyon’s time in Freo has not been kind to him.
    Has he developed an ice addiction in the last 12 months?

    Ask Mark Thompson.

  88. feelthebern

    Haberfield?
    Is that near Broadway?

  89. More to the point, bot Jones and the metrosexual agree on the lock the gate movement.

    They both support it, but for totally different reasons.
    It’s almost as if they disagree.

  90. roger

    Your default position is that Jones cannot be attacked from the right, correct?

    No. This is the second dumbest misinterpretation by you of me today.
    (The first being that because I said that Jones gets millions of dollars for his opinikns and you don’t means that I judge people’s right to express their opinion by how rich they are or something.)
    Jones can be attacked from the right, just like anyone else from Ronald Reagan to Jesus Christ.
    But the discussion was not about his opinions about fracking, NZ Socialist-In-Chief or anything else, but about the calls to silence/sack him.
    My default position is that no one on the right should join such calls. Jones should be supported.

  91. feelthebern

    Fracking is more complicated than that JC.

  92. feelthebern

    My view is CSG is fine.
    But other forms of fracking are problematic.

  93. JC

    They both support it, but for totally different reasons.
    It’s almost as if they disagree.

    Look I commiserate with the farmers about this to a very large extent because the state gloms the royalty payments. However that’s an entirely different reason. I think the owner of the property should take every single bit of the royalty with zero going to the state. That’s why we’re in this mess.

    However, Jones is critical of fracking for purely selfish reasons. We need gas and lot’s of it very quickly.

  94. I think the owner of the property should take every single bit of the royalty with zero going to the state.

    Turns out JC agrees with Alan Jones.

  95. JC

    Bern

    No matter how complex it is, Jones was on the bandwagon to stop it and stop it hard. There’s oodles of gas.

  96. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Haberfield?
    Is that near Broadway?

    LOL

    Stay off the roads, stay east of Rozelle and best of luck.

  97. cohenite

    How is he a climate septic when he’s against fracking

    He opposes fracking for water and agricultural reasons, neither of which have validity but which are divorced from alarmism.

  98. Cassie of Sydney

    “Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3136256, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:03 pm
    This is the main reason why the Left tries to silence him.
    They are scared of him.

    If you truly believe that, Roger, then you are even more gullible than the average Catallaxian.”

    Your smugness is tedious…..so you must approve of these attempts to de-platform Jones because he said something unpleasant…and you know what…….he spoke the truth about that cretinous horse face who is the current NZ PM…and who owes her job thanks to the populist Winston Peters. Whether you like Jones or not…..it’s irrelevant. Who will be next? And yes…they are scared of him..just like they dislike and are scared of Andrew Bolt…who has been on the receiving end of endless attempts to de-platform his show on Sky as well being on the receiving end of a lot of leftist violence…including physical violence…remember him being attacked not too long ago. I have never listened to AJ in my life and I am not about to start but this is a deliberate attack to purge him from the airwaves and they will not rest until the purge of all conservative and right-wing voices is complete.

  99. egg_

    roger
    #3136257, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    Peterson seems to draw out similar envy, when they’re not the Messiah, they’re just naughty boys.

  100. feelthebern

    The owner of the property should get a cut of the royalties & a note underwritten by the state to protect them from future problems.

  101. Cassie of Sydney

    “However, Jones is critical of fracking for purely selfish reasons. We need gas and lot’s of it very quickly.”

    I agree….I was and remain very disappointed with his opposition to fracking.

  102. Des Deskperson

    ‘This is the main reason why the Left tries to silence him.
    They are scared of him.’

    Jones’s crass, stupid and counter-productive comments about David Lange’s political heiress let her off the hook.

    Whatever his motives, in this instance Jones was for all practical purposes doing the work of the left.

    A bit like Latham and the late Larry Pickering.

  103. feelthebern

    Jones was against CSG in the Darling Downs not sure why.
    Jones is against new coal mining in the Hunter Valley near his equine interests.
    Jones is pro high speed rail as long as there’s a stop at Bowral where he has his country estate.

  104. Natural Instinct

    How to teach primary school teachers to lie? Control the language.
    No more classifying cultures
    .
    More appropriate
    …. Indigenous nations
    …. Complex and diverse societies
    …. Efficient resource managers
    …. Indigenous Australian society
    The effectiveness and sophistication of Indigenous Australian resource management and social organisation are starting to be more recognised.
    .
    Less appropriate
    …. Primitive
    …. Simple
    …. Native
    …. Prehistoric
    …. Stone age
    The less appropriate terms are offensive in that they imply Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander societies are not as “advanced” as European societies. The terms are based on the “progress” model of history which many people now question, and on the idea of evolution from “lower” to “higher” (western) forms of social organisation.

  105. JC

    Roger:

    No. This is the second dumbest misinterpretation by you of me today.

    No it’s not. Take another look.

    (The first being that because I said that Jones gets millions of dollars for his opinikns and you don’t means that I judge people’s right to express their opinion by how rich they are or something.)

    But that’s exactly what you did say. He earns millions more and therefore his opinions are worth more.

    Jones can be attacked from the right, just like anyone else from Ronald Reagan to Jesus Christ.
    But the discussion was not about his opinions about fracking, NZ Socialist-In-Chief or anything else, but about the calls to silence/sack him.
    My default position is that no one on the right should join such calls. Jones should be supported.

    Again, I’m not supporting anything you’re hallucinating about. I oppose it. However we can chew gum and walk at the same time. I think Jones is a prick for attacking fracking in the worst way. I also support him not to be fired.

    Have a look. This is what I left at the metrosexual’s twitter feed. Note the time too.

    jc4321
    @jc43212
    ·
    44m
    Replying to
    @AdamBandt
    I’m running a petition to get you of parliament, you closet metrosexual. Always the little authoritarian rug rat, aren’t you?

    It was well before you went troppo on me because I attacked your hero.

    We can criticize and also support.

  106. feelthebern

    I’m pro CSG.
    Demethanizing a coal seam is sound & safe.
    Minimal impact & the coal bed is porous.

    Other forms of fracking have a lot more impact.

  107. egg_

    Have I got to borrow a couple of $Mil from my kids to comment here?
    /Bleeding edge technology schlep

  108. JC

    Socrates at the Pub
    #3136276, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    I think the owner of the property should take every single bit of the royalty with zero going to the state.

    Turns out JC agrees with Alan Jones.

    No he doesn’t. He opposes it for NIMBY reasons.

  109. Bar Beach Swimmer

    C.L.
    #3136015, posted on August 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm
    Yes, that’s right, Tom.
    The Grattan Institute believes – really believes – that it’s a “subsidy” when the government ‘allows’ people to keep their own money.

    Mirrors ‘pay their fair share’.

  110. cohenite

    @AdamBandt
    I’m running a petition to get you of parliament, you closet metrosexual. Always the little authoritarian rug rat, aren’t you?

    Very good head prefect; one quibble; bandt is more of an arse wipe than a rug rat; can you say arse wipe?

  111. calli

    Huge pro-life rally in Sydney.

  112. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Whatever his motives, in this instance Jones was for all practical purposes doing the work of the left.
    A bit like Latham and the late Larry Pickering.

    +1oo Des.

  113. Cassie of Sydney

    “We can criticize and also support.”

    Agree.

  114. egg_

    He opposes fracking for water and agricultural reasons, neither of which have validity but which are divorced from alarmism.

    There’s now nanotechnology to trace fracking fluid, for concerned citizens.

  115. calli

    As I said, contrapuntal.

    Life is complex.

  116. Tel

    I’m pro CSG.
    Demethanizing a coal seam is sound & safe.
    Minimal impact & the coal bed is porous.

    All you have to do is convince one farmer of that and endless wealth could be yours!

  117. feelthebern

    Australia has so much conventional gas to extract on shore & off shore.
    Those reserves should be exploited first.
    The fracking tech globally gets better every day.
    In twenty year, once we’ve drained all the conventional reserves then we use the better tech to frack then.

  118. Nick

    No more classifying cultures

    I reckon that within the next ten years, showing images of or describing aborigines with spears, will be considered incorrect and racist.

  119. egg_

    .he spoke the truth about that cretinous horse face who is the current NZ PM…and who owes her job thanks to the populist Winston Peters.

    Peters had to save her hide at the recent Pacific Islands Forum.

  120. Roger

    Roger:

    Please use the lower case when responding to this commenter, else I’ll be forced to choose another moniker.

    Ta.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    …. Efficient resource managers

    The brainwashing begins early – there is a special edition of “Dark Emu” being published for use in schools.

  122. feelthebern

    Agree.
    Victoria should lift its ban on conventional gas extraction.

  123. Tel

    There’s now nanotechnology to trace fracking fluid, for concerned citizens.

    Fracking fluid isn’t the problem … has never been a problem.

    When you pull the fluid back out of the hole … it’s mixed with dirty water which already exists underground … and what’s more, during the life of the drilling operation a certain percentage of what comes up is water (with or without fracking you still get some water coming up), and that’s highly contaminated with minerals and dissolved hydrocarbons. So the first thing the miner does is separate out the deliverable product (e.g. methane) from the other unwanted crap (including dirty water) and then dispose of the unwanted junk. How they dispose of this is what matters. That’s it, that’s what this is all about.

    The farmers want a legal position where they can keep a close eye on the miners and ensure all the tests are done and any byproducts are carried away … not dumped locally on the property. Obviously no one trusts anyone else, because this is Australia and everyone knows perfectly well there are no trustworthy parties. The question is how to catch them when they do the wrong thing, and make them pay up.

  124. We criticise the Aboriginal people for sitting on their arses and failing to develop what are among the biggest coal and iron ore deposits on the planet. But we are running short of gas and build Billion Dollar infrastructure to import it when there are trillions of buckets full of the stuff underneath us.

  125. Tel

    https://www.aplng.com.au/topics/coal-seam-gas.html

    There you go, a nice little diagram of gas + water coming up the hole.

    The well development process enables some of the water contained within the seams to be pumped to the surface. This pumping reduces the groundwater pressure, allowing the gas to flow up the wells. The gas and water that comes out of the wells are separated at the surface. The gas is piped to a processing facility for distribution via pipelines to residential and industrial customers including power stations, and to the LNG facility near Gladstone. The produced water is brackish and is piped to treatment facilities.

    Providing the separation and water treatment is done hygienically it’s all good. Often some water is pushed back down again in order to compensate the pressure underneath. The only bit that matters is what kind of other minerals come up mixed with the water, and how they dispose of those.

  126. Roger

    Huge pro-life rally in Sydney.

    More info please, calli.

    The msm offers nothing.

  127. egg_

    the EPA found that fracking contributes to drinking water contamination during all stages of the process:

    – Water withdrawals for hydraulic fracturing in times or areas of low water availability, particularly in areas with limited or declining groundwater resources
    – Spills during the management of hydraulic fracturing fluids and chemicals or produced water that result in large volumes or high concentrations of chemicals reaching groundwater resources
    Injection of hydraulic fracturing fluids into wells with inadequate mechanical integrity, allowing gases or liquids to move to groundwater resources
    Injection of hydraulic fracturing fluids directly into groundwater resources
    – Discharge of inadequately treated hydraulic fracturing wastewater to surface water resources
    – Disposal or storage of hydraulic fracturing wastewater in unlined pits, resulting in contamination of groundwater resources

  128. Roger

    We criticise the Aboriginal people for sitting on their arses and failing to develop what are among the biggest coal and iron ore deposits on the planet.

    A people who had not learned how to boil water can hardly be blamed for failing to discern the value of coal & iron ore.

    We, however…

  129. Crossie

    feelthebern
    #3136282, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:20 pm
    The owner of the property should get a cut of the royalties & a note underwritten by the state to protect them from future problems.

    This is perfectly fair and should have been been implemented right at the start. You can rent out you land for wind farms but you can’t make money out of what’s under those wind turbines, how unfair is that?

  130. roger

    Roger
    #3136303, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:37 pm
    Roger:

    Please use the lower case when responding to this commenter, else I’ll be forced to choose another moniker.

    Ta.

    Hi Capital-R Roger
    Maybe I will just change my moniker.
    May post from now on as “Delcon”, if it’s not taken already.

  131. egg_

    Tel
    #3136310, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    I took publicity photos for our company that made the cover of International Geodrilling Magazine (Knurlknob?) of same in Camden back in August ’04.
    Our gear helped pump the drilling slurry from c. 1 km deep wells.

  132. vlad

    I would be surprised (and disappointed) if the Court of Appeal says the arraignment ground fails as the clearest cut black-letter law. I don’t see the Court of Appeal in this era saying “yeah, but it wouldn’t have made any difference.” In the fifties, yes; in the 21st century, no.

    Another possibility is the Court of Appeal could say His Eminence had a mistrial – but not remit it – and he’s now free to go because he can’t get a fair third trial. That would please everyone – and no one. His name would not have been cleared, but he’d be out of jail.

  133. old bloke

    pete m
    #3136037, posted on August 20, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    Regarding the Pell verdict tomorrow, here is my prediction on the important grounds of appeal / arguments:

    Thank you Pete for your insights.

  134. Cassie of Sydney

    So tonight Andrew Bolt is leading with an analysis of the P*ll verdict and rightly casting doubt on it…in anticipation of tomorrow’s appeal outcome…and good on Andrew for doing so. He knows what is going to happen…..watch Sleeping Midgets come after him and Sky like they did back in March……watch the midgets target Sky advertisers and specifically those that advertise on Bolt’s show.

    Oh but that’s right….Andrew Bolt must, for all practical purposes, be doing the work of the left. A bit like Latham, Jones and the late Pickering.

  135. vlad

    as it’s the clearest cut &c

  136. Delcon

    This message is from me, Delcon, formerly known as small r roger.
    Hi Cats
    Alan Jones rocks. Andrew Bolt does too.
    We don’t have to agree with everything they say to understand that the Left’s attempts to silence them are due to their popularity and consequently, the threat they pose to the Left’s dominance in the public debate arena.
    To say, “Alan Jones said something stupid once, so I will not stand up for him and his right to express his opinions” is foolishness. *That* is doing the Left’s bidding for them.
    From Delcon, formerly known as roger.

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  138. Gab

    Massive pro-life protest in Sydney. Mostly young people from the pics.

  139. Crossie

    Roger
    #3136311, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:51 pm
    Huge pro-life rally in Sydney.

    More info please, calli.

    The msm offers nothing.

    Channel 7 did report it and even showed the crowds. I think Gladys May have a rival in Tania Davies whose profile has risen astronomically during this complete shemozzle.

    I do not believe in a conscience vote in parliament on any issue. All MPs are representatives of the voters and when they are given free rein then the voters have been disenfranchised. The only time MPs should be free to vote their conscience is in a referendum when their vote is equal to everyone else’s. Permitting MPs a conscience vote is slap in the face for voters and for that alone Gladys should be dethroned.

  140. mh

    Hi Capital-R Roger
    Maybe I will just change my moniker.

    It’s the right thing to do little r roger.

  141. Tel

    egg the EPA has been highly politicized for a long time … I’m very skeptical about their scientific credentials. Read about what happened to Ed Krug when he came to the very well researched conclusion that the whole “Acid Rain” scare was simply a beat up and had nothing whatsoever to do with lake acidity in places like the Adirondack Mountains. Strangely though, to this day, despite firing Krug and blackballing him so he never got hired again, and putting all sorts of environmental controls in place, those lakes are still acid … exactly like Krug said they would be. In some cases the special environmental custodians simply tossed lime into the lake and that solves the acidity problem quickly and in a simple way that never needed any environmental controls. They never apologized to Krug, nor to the many people inconvenienced by all their rules.

    I will take them seriously when they revisit that incident and admit they were wrong like honest people would do.

  142. Crossie

    Prince Harry and Meghan making news by flying around in Elton John’s private jet. I thought ?Harry was committed to walking everywhere barefoot like he appeared at the Google camp.

    I had no idea the Royal Family were so poor they now need to hitch rides with musicians.

  143. calli

    Thanks guys. Had to cook dinner.

    The pro-life rally was covered by Seven. The reporter said it was very well attended by people of all ages and many religious groups. They honed in on an Orthodox (not sure which one, seen him only recently on TV so might be Armenian) priest speaking at a microphone.

    Started in Martin Place. The opinion was that should they move to Parliament House there were so many people there that Macquarie Street would have to close.

  144. Dr Fred Lenin

    Exactly Crossie ,some of these arrogant prats think God appointed them to do what they like ,jst look at the traitors trying to sabotage Brexit ,they were elected on a manifesto the majorityf voters approved of ,not looking afte heir own future as highly paid unelected EU bureaucrats . Career politics is evil and undemocratic.

  145. calli

    Eltie’s defence of the Royal Rovers is laughable.

    Carbon neutral? What does that even mean? It’s just more unscientific, squid ink gobbledegook that people lap up without question.

    But hey! It’s a “Climate Emergency”,whatever that means.

  146. candy

    Alan Jones seems a good chap, to my mind. A person who would be a kind friend.
    The sock comment was not warranted but it’s very very minor in the scope of things. I understand he has had spinal/operation pain and probably takes meds. And he’s somewhat around 75? Give the man a break.

    If it was Lefty type media person I would say the same if they were in that situation/health problems/age. A clumsy turn of phrase.

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bolt standing up for Jones now and the right to use strong metaphor. Gerard Hemderson points out that this sort of language was once common useage.

    Credlin seems to hold Jomes in line on Sky.

  148. old bloke

    zyconoclast
    #3136204, posted on August 20, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    Out of control rat population has begun killing dogs and threatens to infect humans

    Sydney and San Francisco are Twin Cities in more than name.

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Jacinta not too fussed by the comment. Classy and witty says Gerard. I agree. She has gone up slightly in my estimation, climate loon though she still is.

  150. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good on Andrew, saying just now global warming is ‘an unbelievable cult’.

  151. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Abortion bill is ‘close to infanticide’ says Bolt, noting that Gladys is starting to cave, and moving, too late, to find a compromise. Realising her big mistake. Personally I can’t see why on earthshe didn’t see this earlier when the awful bill was first mooted.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    To clarify, a clip of Jacinta’s response was shown on Bolt just now.

  153. mh

    Jacinda is looking very thin and old all of a sudden.

  154. C.L.

    I wish Bolt would let his guests finish. Henderson – a halting speaker at the best of times – didn’t know whether he was Arthur or Martha amidst the interruptions.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I find it extraordinary when men feel they have no ‘right’ to comment on abortion. These babies are not produced without a male input. Fatherhood matters.

  156. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3136335, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:35 pm
    Jacinta not too fussed by the comment. Classy and witty says Gerard. I agree. She has gone up slightly in my estimation, climate loon though she still is.”

    Agree…don’t like horse head but her response was appropriate.

  157. candy

    Personally I can’t see why on earth she didn’t see this earlier when the awful bill was first mooted.

    It is confusing. I’m not sure it can be explained by the fact that she has no children so the lived experience is not there, either. A political faction decision gone wrong?

  158. C.L.

    “Choose life” sky-sign over Sydney this afternoon, I see.
    I’m surprised the pilot and the aircraft company haven’t been named – with a view to having them banned, grounded, investigated by the ATSB, deplatformed or assassinated.

  159. Tel

    Personally I can’t see why on earth she didn’t see this earlier when the awful bill was first mooted.

    Public discussion?!? You mean, ask the little people about legislation … in NSW?

  160. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #3136344, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:50 pm
    “Choose life” sky-sign over Sydney this afternoon, I see.
    I’m surprised the pilot and the aircraft company haven’t been named – with a view to having them banned, grounded, investigated by the ATSB, deplatformed or assassinated.”

    Just wait…it’ll happen tomorrow.

  161. Mitch M.

    These babies are not produced without a male input.

    Phrasing.

  162. Infidel Tiger

    That evil witch Berejyklian will have to replan her murderous agenda.

    I look forward to day she burns in hell.

  163. vlad

    Just wait…it’ll happen tomorrow.

    So much is going to happen tomorrow it will make today look like yesterday.

  164. Lysander

    G’day Cats (and dogs)
    on a plane atm and using their crappy wifi so this might not get posted but I can’t believe they are just going to let George off tomorrow as the whole system will come crashing down if they do. Imagine the Guildford Four…. Fatty Ashton and all his cronies would have to come crashing down (knowing how “democratic” Victoria is, I can hardly see this happening)…

    Or it could just be the red wine talking.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope Harry and Meaghan cop a lot more flak. It might refocus them on the non-political role of the Royal family. Prince Charles of course is a bad example. William and Kate seem correctly to be keeping their heads above this fray.

  166. Crossie

    I find it offensive that men are excluded, and some even exclude themselves, from the abortion debate. It’s almost as if we are eliminating paternity and right before the upcoming Fathers Day.

    We can argue about irresponsible males but there are just as many irresponsible females yet only the woman gets to decide. The woman’s mental state is taken into consideration but nobody gives a thought to a father who may grieve over an aborted child. Why do we assume that all men are pro abortion?

  167. Nick

    I find it offensive that men are excluded, and some even exclude themselves, from the abortion debate. It’s almost as if we are eliminating paternity and right before the upcoming Fathers Day.

    Imagine the howls if women were told there was a subject that they weren’t allowed to express an opinion on

  168. Farmer Gez

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3136335, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:35 pm
    Jacinta not too fussed by the comment. Classy and witty says Gerard. I agree. She has gone up slightly in my estimation, climate loon though she still is.”

    Agree…don’t like horse head but her response was appropriate.

    She dumped her country’s closest ally in the shit to pander to the coconut mafia and her fawning press girls.
    A diplomatic and economic moron of the highest order.

  169. mh

    Apparently there’s now a thing called the “Men’s Ashes” in cricket.

    Has any female in human history ever faced a cricket ball travelling at 150kph?

    Can you imagine the carnage.

  170. Bar Beach Swimmer

    You know I go hot and cold believing in heaven and hell, but fuck me, I hope to blazes there is a hell because there are so many scumbags who deserve the 9th circle.

    +1000

  171. Crossie

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3136342, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:48 pm
    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3136335, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:35 pm
    Jacinta not too fussed by the comment. Classy and witty says Gerard. I agree. She has gone up slightly in my estimation, climate loon though she still is.”

    Agree…don’t like horse head but her response was appropriate.

    The first sensible thing I heard her say.

  172. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Keep flapping those wings, Lysander. I always silently cheer on the pilot when I am in flight. Unless the movie is really good. I am in the arms of fate then. Anyway, be like Hairy. Just enjoy the flight.

  173. custard

    Lysander

    I’m sure there is much anxiety on these pages as tomorrow’s decision looms.

    Let’s hope and pray that justice prevails.

  174. Geriatric Mayfly

    watch the midgets target Sky advertisers and specifically those that advertise on Bolt’s show.

    Didn’t that whacko Deveney try this stunt all on her very own because Bolt hurt her feelz? Don’t think it went too well.

  175. C.L.

    The trouble is, Lizzie, that number two heir and Wallis-Markle have no function whatsoever. It’s an existentially cruel calling to be the spare (albeit one most people would happily suffer, materially speaking). They have fallen into dreadful habits – which underline a surprising and shared lack of gravitas. For example, a Prince of the Realm – if not an American divorcee from television – should know that familiarity of this kind is not on.

  176. mh

    Joe Rogan says ‘misunderstood’ Alex Jones was right about Epstein: ‘That is a f—ing fact’

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/14/joe-rogan-says-misunderstood-alex-jones-was-right-/

  177. Old School Conservative

    The All Blacks retained the Bledisloe Cup on Saturday for the 17th year in a row

    Thanks Scoop.

  178. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For example, a Prince of the Realm – if not an American divorcee from television – should know that familiarity of this kind is not on.

    Remember the uproar when the Lizard of Oz took Her Majesty by the elbow, as if she needed his guidance to inspect a Guard of honor?

  179. Crossie

    C.L.
    #3136362, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:04 pm
    The trouble is, Lizzie, that number two heir and Wallis-Markle have no function whatsoever.

    C.L., he is no longer the number two heir, before him are George, Charlotte and Louis.

  180. Lysander

    Yes my anxiety Custard! I’ll be having a lay in tomorrow after plenty of work in Brisbane!!! Don’t expect me to be in a good mood! (unless GP cleans up!)

  181. candy

    They have fallen into dreadful habits –

    I think the trouble is they have been hiding their little son and their life away from the populace who would love to see the child.
    I am not sure royal families survive if they won’t be out there, showing themselves, doing the charity events and very importantly showing their children to the public , who are in a sense supporting them. William and Kate know the score, and the folks in UK really love them and love to see those beautiful children and watch them grow up.

    As it has been with royal family in UK for ever. Harry and Meghan seem to challenge that.

  182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tanya Davies recounts western Sydney mum’s shocking sex-selection abortion story

    Edward Boyd, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    an hour ago

    NSW Liberal MP Tanya Davies has recounted a heart wrenching story of an Indian woman with four daughters who was abandoned by her husband for refusing to abort each pregnancy because they were female.

    The Member for Mulgoa told The Daily Telegraph the Indian Sikh mother of four approached her and shared her story.

    “She lives in Western Sydney and said each time she fell pregnant with her husband — the father — pushed her to find out the sex of the child as soon as possible,” Ms Davies said.

    “She revealed that she has delivered four healthy daughters, but at each time during each pregnancy, when it was revealed that she was carrying a daughter, the husband and his parents put incredible pressure on her to abort the child because it wasn’t a boy.”

    “She has then gone on to have a total of four daughters, and her husband has then walked away and left her and the children — left the family because of this.”

    Some “men” really do deserve public horsewhipping..

  183. calli

    It will be the same skywriter who wrote “vote no” before the SSM referendum.

    Many years ago, on a hideous day I would for many reasons rather forget, I looked up and saw the words “Jesus loves you” written in the sky.

    Bless that pilot. He’s been doing it on and off for years. A twentyfirst century Arthur Stace.

  184. Frank

    Anyone know if tits has been seen jogging lately or has he gone back to working on his cup size?

  185. cohenite

    egg_

    #3136312, posted on August 20, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    the EPA found that fracking contributes to drinking water contamination during all stages of the process:

    Mmmm:

    5) Fracking contaminates drinking water

    If fracking doesn’t make your water flammable, it must at least contaminate it with dangerous chemicals, right?

    Not according to Lisa Jackson, the former head of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and no friend to big business. She testified before Congress that there have been zero proven cases of water contamination due to fracking.

    That’s right – one million fracked wells later, there are no examples of contaminated water anywhere. Zero.

  186. Cassie of Sydney

    Just in from The Oz…

    “Mark Latham delivers stunning attack on Gladys Berejiklian over abortion bill”.

    “One Nation leader Mark Latham has delivered a stunning attack against Premier Gladys Berejiklian during debate on the abortion bill in the upper house, accusing her of “betraying the parliament and people of NSW” by supporting the bill decriminalising abortion and labelling her “dictatorial”.

    Ms Berejiklian backed down yesterday and her government moved that the abortion bill did not have to be resolved this week, with debate to occur today and tomorrow and amendments to be moved in the upper house in three weeks’ time.

    But as debate went on, and with thousands protesting against the bill outside parliament in Martin Place tonight, Mr Latham accused Ms Berejiklian of operating with a left-wing cross-party cabal.

    “With some fanfare after the March election, the Premier said she wanted to ‘modernise’ the NSW Parliament,” Mr Latham said.

    “Instead, she has taken us back to the dark ages.

    “The idea that in 2019, in an era of political openness and social media, a cross-party cabal of left-wing MPs has been meeting in secret in this building for months, plotting to hijack the parliament and ram through a law on one of the most divisive and sensitive issues in the state’s history, is simply appalling.

    “Each of them stands condemned.

    “So too a Premier who urged it on.

    “A Premier who discarded government business in the Legislative Assembly and made scores of hours of debate available for a private members’ bill introduced by the Green-left Independent Member for Sydney, Alex Greenwich.

    “One member in one seat who won 18,000 votes at the last election — that is, less than 0.3% of the people of the state of NSW.

    “But that’s the Berejiklian-Greenwich Government for you: minority interests, with a minority agenda, using backdoor means to try to dominate the majority.

    “I campaigned for four months for State Parliament and no one in the electorate advocated for an abortion bill.

    “Hundreds of other issues were seen as more important.

    “This was to have been an ambush whereby the lower house would debate and pass the abortion bill in one week and the Legislative Council would do the same the following week.

    “What we are witnessing here is a weakening of the traditional two-party system, where power in this place does not necessarily rest in the Liberal Party or the Labor Party, but has been co-opted and controlled by a secretive, cross-party cabal.

    “It’s more evidence of the march through institutions, especially in the National Party.

    “Once social conservatives, some of its members are now greener than the Greens.

    “When will this government ever learn?

    “It rushed for a greyhounds ban and got it wrong.

    “It rushed in council amalgamations and messed them up.

    “It rushed in lockout-laws and destroyed the reputation and economic viability of a once great city and its night-life.

    “In the common law, abortions in NSW have been permissible since an important court ruling in 1971. Those pushing the proposal now before the House want to remove abortion from the NSW Crimes Act.

    “This would have been a relatively straightforward task if they had been open about it, engaged in public consultation and started with a moderate, commonsense bill.

    “Instead, they have tried to ram through Australia’s most radically extreme abortion laws without adequate safeguards for late-term abortions, gender selection abortions (parents who only want boys) and medical mistake abortions (where the baby is born alive).

    “The Left love to lecture us about ‘gender equality’, but in this bill, they refuse to outlaw the barbaric practice of people not wanting children because they are female children.”

    “If it’s true that no one supports gender selection abortions, then why aren’t they automatically outlawed in the legislation?”

    Former minister and Nationals MP Niall Blair told parliament he would support the Bill and said it was about: “Can we trust women in NSW to make the right decisions for them and their families. Absolutely we can.”

    Mr Blair said to have an abortion acted against women’s maternal instincts and it was agonising for them.

    Finance Minister Damien Tudehope said he would oppose the Bill because he believed it endorsed taking the lives of children.

    The Bill is still expected to pass — thanks to Labor and Nationals votes with the majority of Liberals opposing it — but the government’s hopes it could be resolved in two to three weeks, and the issue gotten out of the way, were dumped by the premier yesterday.”

    Go Mark….I have NO regrets about voting for Mark Latham back in March…he has not disappointed.

  187. mh

    US must stand with people of Hong Kong fighting for freedom
    Newt Gingrich

    Over the past two months, the world has seen the people of Hong Kong bravely stand up to the growing threat of totalitarianism.

    What began as a protest against a bill that would allow prisoners to be extradited to mainland China has evolved into a movement to demand that the Hong Kong government (largely now controlled by China’s Communist Party) adhere to the promises of freedom and autonomy it made when Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997.

    Protesters have flooded the streets since June – despite the threat of being arrested, smothered with tear gas, pelted with rubber bullets or attacked by masked thugs with batons.

    While Chinese tanks have lined up along the border of Hong Kong and mainland China, protesters have waved the American flag and sung the American national anthem. The protesters show no signs of wavering and the outcome remains in doubt.

    But one thing is certain: The United States and the free world are watching.

    Chinese leaders must know there will be consequences if the freedoms promised to the people of Hong Kong are eradicated by a Communist dictatorship. This is more than a protest about a proposed new law. It is about protecting the people of Hong Kong from tyranny and despotism – and keeping a growing totalitarian power at bay.

    Importantly, this effort by the Chinese Communist Party to meddle in Hong Kong’s affairs is just one part of the regime’s plans to expand its power. As I discuss in my upcoming book, “Trump vs. China,” the Chinese Communist Party is taking actions across the globe that are threatening American interests, security and values.

    To successfully counter this threat, a unified American response is critical. I am glad to see our leaders are currently in agreement.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said that “any violent crackdown would be completely unacceptable. … The world is watching.”

    Chinese leaders must know there will be consequences if the freedoms promised to the people of Hong Kong are eradicated by a Communist dictatorship.

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., affirmed that “America stands for freedom. America stands with Hong Kong.”

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., tweeted that Congress stands “united with the people of Hong Kong in demanding their right to a hopeful, free and democratic future.”

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., echoed Pelosi, saying, “America stands with the people of Hong Kong in their protest against this abuse of power by the government of Beijing.”

    The American people are starting to recognize the challenge that a Communist-ruled China poses to the U.S. A recent Pew poll found that Americans are increasingly skeptical of the Chinese Communist Party’s actions, with 60 percent of respondents reporting unfavorable views of China. This is the highest percentage in the 14 years that Pew has posed this question.

    As American opposition to the Chinese tactics grows, it is up to government and industry leaders to begin asking and answering tough questions:

    Can businesses continue to turn a blind eye to Chinese-led hacking that results in an estimated loss of $360 billion per year in intellectual property for the sake of their stock prices?
    Can institutions of higher education keep ignoring the distribution of Chinese propaganda through Confucius Institutes on American campuses for the sake of financial gain?
    Can the defense bureaucracy retire old institutional technology and weaponry for the sake of more efficient strategies and tactics?
    Can government and private sector leaders put aside short-sighted partisan politics and personal interests to address this threat?
    The Trump administration has taken a hardline stance against the Chinese Communist Party’s aggressive tactics, but this challenge is far from over. In fact, it is just beginning.

    I don’t believe this has to evolve into any sort of military conflict. But President Trump’s tariffs on China are just one of many ways we can make China’s leaders regret their bad behavior.

    The United States now has an opportunity to send a strong message to Beijing. We can start by passing the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act. This bill was introduced by Rep. Christopher Smith, R-N.J., in the House and Sen. Marco Rubio R-Fla., in the Senate, and would hold officials in Hong Kong and China accountable for the suppression of freedoms and human rights in Hong Kong.

    America must stand with the people of Hong Kong and the legacy of freedom they are trying to protect. If America cannot effectively respond as a nation against the Chinese Communist Party’s attempts to stamp out freedom in Hong Kong, we will be hard-pressed to counter Chinese aggression in the U.S. and around the world.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-the-u-s-must-stand-strong-with-the-people-of-hong-kong

  188. Fat Tony

    cohenite
    #3136372, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    That’s right – one million fracked wells later, there are no examples of contaminated water anywhere. Zero.

    But but but….it might, so ban it anyway…..

  189. Crossie

    “She has then gone on to have a total of four daughters, and her husband has then walked away and left her and the children — left the family because of this.”

    Situational paternity. Men like this one give all the other multitudes of decent fathers a bad name. Men like him are the ones feminists can point to and damn all the other men whose culture does not encourage this, the opposite in fact.

  190. Crossie

    calli
    #3136370, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:17 pm
    It will be the same skywriter who wrote “vote no” before the SSM referendum.

    Many years ago, on a hideous day I would for many reasons rather forget, I looked up and saw the words “Jesus loves you” written in the sky.

    Bless that pilot. He’s been doing it on and off for years. A twentyfirst century Arthur Stace.

    Calli, I’m glad He was there for you.

  191. Fat Tony

    Crossie
    #3136377, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Calli, I’m glad He was there for you.

    Well, He does have history 🙂

  192. Siltstone

    Calli, thanks for bringing the name Arthur Stace to our attention.

  193. Old School Conservative

    Alan Jones has been very consistent over many years on the use of land for resource production.
    High quality pasture land should be reserved for agriculture.
    Everything else let coal go for it.
    Increase food production by moving the nation’s water runoff to parts of Australia that can use it.

    I don’t think he has tried to keep his interests in the Hunter Valley a secret.

  194. C.L.

    Latham on fire.
    Best speech in a long, long time.
    Thanks for posting, mh.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    So the first thing the miner does is separate out the deliverable product (e.g. methane) from the other unwanted crap (including dirty water) and then dispose of the unwanted junk. How they dispose of this is what matters. That’s it, that’s what this is all about.

    Tel, don’t some producers pump the by-product water back down the well to keep pressure up?
    At least I thought they did that for conventional oil and gas.

  196. mh

    China, Not Russia, the Greater Threat
    August 13, 2019 by Patrick J. Buchanan

    Ten weeks of protests, some huge, a few violent, culminated Monday with a shutdown of the Hong Kong airport.

    Ominously, Beijing described the violent weekend demonstrations as “deranged” acts that are “the first signs of terrorism,” and vowed a merciless crackdown on the perpetrators.

    China is being pushed toward a decision it does not want to make: to use military force, as in Tiananmen Square 30 years ago, to crush the uprising. For that would reveal the character of President Xi Jinping’s Communist dictatorship, as well as Beijing’s long-term plans for this semi-autonomous city of almost 7.5 million.

    Yet this is not the only internal or border concern of Xi’s regime.

    Millions of Muslim Uighurs in China’s west are in concentration camps undergoing “re-education” to change their way of thinking on loyalty, secession and the creation of a new East Turkestan.

    In June, a Chinese vessel rammed and sank a Philippine fishing boat, leaving its 22 crewmen to drown. The fishermen were rescued by a Vietnamese boat.

    President Rodrigo Duterte’s reluctance to resist China’s fortification in the South China Sea of the rocks and reefs Manila claims are within its own territorial waters has turned Philippine nationalism anti-China.

    China’s claim to Taiwan is being defied by Taipei, which just bought $2.2 billion in U.S. military equipment including Abrams tanks and Stinger missiles.

    Any Taiwanese declaration of independence, China has warned, means war.

    While Taiwan’s request to buy U.S. F-16s has not yet been approved, in a rare visit, Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen stopped over in the U.S. recently, before traveling on to Caribbean countries that retain diplomatic relations with Taipei. Beijing has expressed its outrage at the U.S. arms sales and Tsai’s unofficial visit.

    The vaunted Chinese economy is growing, at best, at half the double-digit rate of a decade ago, not enough to create the jobs needed for hundreds of millions in the countryside seeking work.

    And talks have been suspended in the U.S.-China trade dispute, at the heart of which, says White House aide Peter Navarro, are Beijing’s “seven deadly sins” in dealing with the United States:

    China steals our intellectual property via cybertheft, forces U.S. companies in China to transfer technology, hacks our computers, dumps into our markets to put U.S. companies out of business, subsidizes state-owned enterprises to compete with U.S. firms, manipulates its currency, and, despite our protests, ships to the USA the fentanyl drug that has become a major killer of Americans.

    Such practices have enabled China to run up annual trade surpluses of $300 billion to $400 billion at our expense, and, says Navarro, have caused the loss of 70,000 factories and 5 million manufacturing jobs in the U.S.

    Moreover, China has used the accumulated wealth of its huge trade surpluses to finance its drive for hegemony in Asia and beyond.

    With President Donald Trump threatening 10% tariffs on $300 billion more in Chinese exports to the U.S., Xi must decide if he is willing to end his trade-war tactics against the U.S., which have gone on during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. If he refuses, will he accept the de-coupling of our two economies?

    Only Trump has taken on the Middle Kingdom.

    If the American people and Congress are willing to play hardball and accept sacrifices, we can win this face-off. The U.S. buys five times as much from China as we sell to China. The big loser in this confrontation, if we stay the course, will not be the USA.

    For three years, the U.S. establishment has not ceased to howl about Russia’s theft of emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

    Yet the greatest cybercrime of the century was Beijing’s theft in 2014 of the personnel files of 22 million applicants and employees of the U.S. government, many of them holding top-secret clearances.

    Compromised by this theft, said then FBI Director James Comey, was a “treasure trove of information about everybody who has worked for, tried to work for, or works for the United States government.”

    “A very big deal from a national security … and counterintelligence perspective,” said Comey. And Xi’s China, not Putin’s Russia, committed the crime. Yet America’s elites appear to have forgotten this far graver act of cyberaggresion.

    Undeniably, Russia is a rival. But Putin’s economy is the size of Italy’s while China’s economy challenges our own. And China’s population is 10 times that of Russia, and four times that of the USA.

    Manifestly, China is the greater menace.

    Are Americans willing to make the necessary sacrifices to force China to abide by the rules of reciprocal trade?

    Or will Trump be forced by political realities to accept the long-term and ruinous relationship we have followed since granting China permanent MFN status in 2001?

    This issue is likely to decide the destiny of our relations and the future of Asia, if not the world.
    https://buchanan.org/blog/china-not-russia-the-greater-threat-137403#more-137403

  197. Old School Conservative

    Smith still suffering from concussion.
    Ruled out of 3rd Test.

  198. BrettW

    JC is going to like this one ! From the Daily Mail

    “The CEOs of 181 top American companies have released a statement saying a corporation’s purpose is to better society and support local communities rather than maximize profits for stakeholders. The new definition (inset) was released on Monday by the Business Roundtable, a group that dates back to 1997 and gathers over 200 of America’s most influential corporate leaders. The statement was signed by 181 business leaders including including JP Morgan & Chase CEO Jamie Dimon (top left), Amazon’s Jeff Bezos (top right), General Motors’s Mary Barra (bottom left) and Apple’s Tim Cook (bottom right). The statement redefined the purpose of a corporation with social consciousness in mind, saying corporations are now committed to valuing customers, investing in employees by hiring diverse groups and compensating them fairly, dealing ethically with suppliers, protecting the environment with sustainable practices and supporting local communities The new idea takes from the concept of ‘conscious capitalism’ which promotes a company having a responsibility to serve society in addition to stakeholders, an ethos that has been growing in popularity with CEOs over the past decade. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink previously called for CEOs to rethink and re-evaulate the purpose of corporations, calling for corporations to offer guidance on social and economic issues including environmental safety and gender and racial equality”.

    Full list of the companies is at DM.

    Gotta love Amazon and Apple lecturing the world on serving society whilst avoiding paying tax in USA and other countries through their offshore structures. Aren’t some Amazon workers paid so poorly they need food stamps in USA?

  199. Tel

    I don’t think he has tried to keep his interests in the Hunter Valley a secret.

    I go to the Hunter Valley often and have never seen a detrimental effect of the coal mining on agriculture (other than right where the mine is). It’s the premier wine growing region in Australia, and the premier horse stud region, and both of those have coexisted with huge open-cut coal mines and some of the biggest power generators in Australia for about 50 years, perhaps more.

    There’s environmental air quality monitors dotted around the place and they haven’t been able to find this detrimental effect on the Hunter.

  200. mh

    China, Not Russia, the Greater Threat
    August 13, 2019 by Patrick J. Buchanan

    Ten weeks of protests, some huge, a few violent, culminated Monday with a shutdown of the Hong Kong airport.

    Ominously, Beijing described the violent weekend demonstrations as “deranged” acts that are “the first signs of terrorism,” and vowed a merciless crackdown on the perpetrators.

    China is being pushed toward a decision it does not want to make: to use military force, as in Tiananmen Square 30 years ago, to crush the uprising. For that would reveal the character of President Xi Jinping’s Communist dictatorship, as well as Beijing’s long-term plans for this semi-autonomous city of almost 7.5 million.

    Yet this is not the only internal or border concern of Xi’s regime.

    Millions of Mus lim Uighurs in China’s west are in concentration camps undergoing “re-education” to change their way of thinking on loyalty, secession and the creation of a new East Turkestan.

    In June, a Chinese vessel rammed and sank a Philippine fishing boat, leaving its 22 crewmen to drown. The fishermen were rescued by a Vietnamese boat.

    President Rodrigo Duterte’s reluctance to resist China’s fortification in the South China Sea of the rocks and reefs Manila claims are within its own territorial waters has turned Philippine nationalism anti-China.

    China’s claim to Taiwan is being defied by Taipei, which just bought $2.2 billion in U.S. military equipment including Abrams tanks and Stinger missiles.

    Any Taiwanese declaration of independence, China has warned, means war.

    While Taiwan’s request to buy U.S. F-16s has not yet been approved, in a rare visit, Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen stopped over in the U.S. recently, before traveling on to Caribbean countries that retain diplomatic relations with Taipei. Beijing has expressed its outrage at the U.S. arms sales and Tsai’s unofficial visit.

    The vaunted Chinese economy is growing, at best, at half the double-digit rate of a decade ago, not enough to create the jobs needed for hundreds of millions in the countryside seeking work.

    And talks have been suspended in the U.S.-China trade dispute, at the heart of which, says White House aide Peter Navarro, are Beijing’s “seven deadly sins” in dealing with the United States:

    China steals our intellectual property via cybertheft, forces U.S. companies in China to transfer technology, hacks our computers, dumps into our markets to put U.S. companies out of business, subsidizes state-owned enterprises to compete with U.S. firms, manipulates its currency, and, despite our protests, ships to the USA the fentanyl drug that has become a major killer of Americans.

    Such practices have enabled China to run up annual trade surpluses of $300 billion to $400 billion at our expense, and, says Navarro, have caused the loss of 70,000 factories and 5 million manufacturing jobs in the U.S.

    Moreover, China has used the accumulated wealth of its huge trade surpluses to finance its drive for hegemony in Asia and beyond.

    With President Donald Trump threatening 10% tariffs on $300 billion more in Chinese exports to the U.S., Xi must decide if he is willing to end his trade-war tactics against the U.S., which have gone on during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. If he refuses, will he accept the de-coupling of our two economies?

    Only Trump has taken on the Middle Kingdom.

    If the American people and Congress are willing to play hardball and accept sacrifices, we can win this face-off. The U.S. buys five times as much from China as we sell to China. The big loser in this confrontation, if we stay the course, will not be the USA.

    For three years, the U.S. establishment has not ceased to howl about Russia’s theft of emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

    Yet the greatest cybercrime of the century was Beijing’s theft in 2014 of the personnel files of 22 million applicants and employees of the U.S. government, many of them holding top-secret clearances.

    Compromised by this theft, said then FBI Director James Comey, was a “treasure trove of information about everybody who has worked for, tried to work for, or works for the United States government.”

    “A very big deal from a national security … and counterintelligence perspective,” said Comey. And Xi’s China, not Putin’s Russia, committed the crime. Yet America’s elites appear to have forgotten this far graver act of cyberaggresion.

    Undeniably, Russia is a rival. But Putin’s economy is the size of Italy’s while China’s economy challenges our own. And China’s population is 10 times that of Russia, and four times that of the USA.

    Manifestly, China is the greater menace.

    Are Americans willing to make the necessary sacrifices to force China to abide by the rules of reciprocal trade?

    Or will Trump be forced by political realities to accept the long-term and ruinous relationship we have followed since granting China permanent MFN status in 2001?

    This issue is likely to decide the destiny of our relations and the future of Asia, if not the world.
    https://buchanan.org/blog/china-not-russia-the-greater-threat-137403#more-137403

  201. Tel

    Tel, don’t some producers pump the by-product water back down the well to keep pressure up?

    Yes, I mentioned that. It’s safe if you are careful about treatment of the water and you put it back close to where you found it. It’s not a technology problem … it’s a trust problem. From a distance it can be difficult to decide where that water is ending up.

    You get the same concern with or without Fracking. That’s a side issue.

  202. Good evening Troops

    I said i would give my take on my time as an expat dealing with the Fair Work Commission dismissing on offshore Oz expat.

    First thing, Oz law is a joke.

    Some background; I was working from my home office out of Kobe – looking forward to catching up with Westie Woman who was soon visiting Osaka., (side note – she does actually know mine and my wife’s names in the real world), just admin for marine civil works in PNG, Port Moresby, New Britain and Tendering for New Ireland for the mine site.

    I’d had multiple complaints from my 2 main project guys regarding a single employee who was employed and payed out of Oz. We are employed offshore in PNG and pay a lower tax rate than Oz. I spend 2 weeks a year in Oz and they only spend about 3 months a year in Oz.

    The problem began in January of this year as initial minor bitches from the project team, this escalated to formal complaints for the next 12 weeks with verbal warnings to this individual and i was getting them by email every Friday and Sunday. Eventually the Directors have had enough and have directed me back in country to sort it out.

    Arrived in mid July in Moresby and took the launch from there to Kimbe on New Britain and saw what a shitfight this individual was. Our work hours are highly structured and they are not for those who like plenty of time off. The workforce starts at 6:30am to grease the machinery and do maintenance checks, they must be ready to strike a blow by 7am and the workday finishes at 5pm with the daily breakdown and alterations to the scope of works (if any) runs to 5:30.

    Myself and my colleagues have a breakfast meeting at 6am and documentation, RFI, variations and email is done after our dinner meeting at 7pm, this doesn’t happen every day but 70 to 80 hours is an average week.

    So that should provide some context to work offshore.

    Back onsite for 2 weeks at Kimbe at the main compound, the guy was a fuckup not suited for work offshore, wandered in at 7am, sat on his arse after 3:30pm. Basically no interest except for the base salary and the offshore allowances. This is a bad thing as this behavior should have been nipped in the bud early or he should have been sent home.

    The kikker was when our protagonist left the main compound unsecured, i had been in country for a couple of weeks, (it was his turn to secure the compound.), this means over a million dollars worth of machinery, 60, 000 litres of diesel, 20, 000 litres of unleaded and the main accommodation area was left unsecured. In PNG this is a bad thing to do, a lot of lovely people and i enjoy working with them. Also a lot of arsepipes who will happily kill you and steal your shit.

    Called him in the next morning and informed him he was off contract and to pack his bags and one of the other PM’s would take him by launch to Moresby to fly back to Oz.

    2 weeks later the shit hit the fan.

    I recieved a phone call from FWC that i was named as the employer and an unfair dismissal had been launched. I spoke with the directors and legal to state my caseand the initial phone meeting was Thursday 15th August (last week). These are called “mediation settings”, this is basically haggling for their naked cash grab..

    Their beak argues that they are a stellar employee who is unfairly treated, my role as the named person was to counter this argument, in house counsel advised but did not get to speak which i found a bit odd.

    The main contention from their side was that the individual did not receive “procedural fairness” in that i did not provide them with a support person to help them argue their case before i dismissed them. I was further informed by the Commissioner (who was very fair i must add) that he was employed under Oz law and not Japan or PNG law and my hand was very weak. Basically this is horse trading for go away money and is no less than the ‘gratuities or special projects support’ i have done in country to get a job over the line.

    Basically i got away with 4 weeks salary with no allowances (Oz$3400) and transport costs removed from the claim That would have been about $5K they would pay. As of Wednesday 21 Aug in 7 days i will be subject to non disclosure and non disparagement clauses.

    I will say Oz law is a joke, you can put my people in harms way, put in doubt a $43m body of work and skate for being a slack jawed dumb fuck.

    Your system is broken

  203. Seco

    Will the judgement be read out first or the reasoning first then the judgement?

    Did anyone see the Ch.10 ad?

    Pedophile George Pell.
    – His crimes
    – His punishment
    – Now the appeal that could set him free

    Of course all in a voice that sounds like a Labor ad on Abbott.

  204. mh

    C.L.
    #3136382, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:43 pm
    Latham on fire.
    Best speech in a long, long time.
    Thanks for posting, mh.

    You can thank Cassie.

    But I hope you like Newt Gingrich and Pat Buchanan.

  205. calli

    “The Left love to lecture us about ‘gender equality’, but in this bill, they refuse to outlaw the barbaric practice of people not wanting children because they are female children.”

    Take that! Feminists!

    Latham is patchy, but on this he is on the money. Good for him.

  206. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Gotta love Amazon and Apple lecturing the world on serving society whilst avoiding paying tax in USA and other countries through their offshore structures. Aren’t some Amazon workers paid so poorly they need food stamps in USA?

    FaceBook have their employeemuppets living in cars in the parking lot.

  207. Rockdoctor

    On fracking, my 2c worth. QGC gave the whole process a bad name, they used the Petroleum Act which was much less stringent to basically do as they pleased pissing everyone off in the process. I have heard enough stories from diametrically opposed landholders, drillers & stakeholders that are remarkably similar to base my opinion that there must be some truth to them. As for the scare campaigns there is enough online on how to make river bubbles burn (Gas cylinders underwater are great for effect) and Debunking Gasland has and goes some of the way to take on the mistruths of that issue. That said, Australian coal is poor in permeability. I have seen how poor around a few Bowen Basin projects, the Galilee Basin is even worse. Arrow had to directional drill after fracking didn’t cut the mustard. Most degassing operations ahead of the longwall yield amounts of gas that are uneconomic for capture and just burnt off. Most other CSG minnows put lipstick on a bushpig and sold out to the Chicoms/majors for a killing at the height of the boom, Bow energy is one that comes to mind there.

    As for drilling muds and fracking fluids, all I have come across are biodegradable. Some others especially for stability of problem holes are clay based i.e. Bentonite used to line dams & sometimes added to fodder for cattle. Drillers & companies these days are very attentive to groundwater cross contamination between fresh and saltwater aquifers, care is taken to cement old bores, case off problem zones and if a production well to pressure cement in the casing. That said everything in earth science is inexact, cross contamination can happen whether natural or drilling induced. Nothing we do is without risk. I won’t go into detail on the intricacies as I would be here all night.

    As for Jones (and add half the fools on CQ morning am radio stations) annoys me because he is an oaf that shoots his mouth off but is too proud to realise that what he says on coal is contradictory and in the end he feeds his enemies. On Adern he has bluntly said what a lot of people are thinking and probably wouldn’t have been said if one Australian Politician had the courage to tell Adern to butt out and worry her own country way back when she started niggling Australia. Hey but we have CCP operatives pretty overtly operating on our streets at protests unmolested so like that is going to happen anytime soon.

    Anyway am off to sleep, gotta work tomorrow.

  208. mh

    From Pat

    In June, a Chinese vessel rammed and sank a Philippine fishing boat, leaving its 22 crewmen to drown. The fishermen were rescued by a Vietnamese boat.

    Wow. Total arrogance from the Chicoms.

  209. Cassie of Sydney

    Hi everyone……if you have Sky..watch PML which is about to start….Latham will be on.

  210. MatrixTransform

    That was a bit long, sorry troops.

    not as long as your work days mate.

    a good read, thanks for that.

  211. Oh come on

    Mr Blair said to have an abortion acted against women’s maternal instincts and it was agonising for them.

    So? It is agonising because they are doing the wrong thing.

  212. Geriatric Mayfly

    Latham gives Glad and her nest of crawlies a good poke. Time for Barnaby to give them another serve.

  213. Ivan Denisovich

    Instead, they have tried to ram through Australia’s most radically extreme abortion laws without adequate safeguards for late-term abortions, gender selection abortions (parents who only want boys) and medical mistake abortions (where the baby is born alive).

    “Reform”.

    The Wilberforce Foundation is a coalition of lawyers and legal academics committed to the preservation and advancement of the moral foundation of the common law, rights and freedoms…………

    The push to force doctors with a conscientious objection to refer for abortion is very worrying. Given that referrals are not required to access abortion, together with the availability of information available on the Internet, a doctor’s refusal to assist a woman achieve an abortion does not impede her access to it. Mandatory referral as required in the bill has no practical function other than to unjustly infringe the freedom of health practitioners who take a different view about abortion than the state, and penalize them for it with potential disciplinary action. This is clearly inappropriate for a diverse society and sets a concerning precedent for other morally controversial health services the state may endorse in the future.

    The adoption of an abortion on demand framework up to 22 weeks raises many complex moral and medical issues. With technology reducing the age of viability for premature babies, and the rise in fetal surgery, the use of a specific gestational age as a threshold for when women can request abortion for any reason is deserving of further expert discussion. The desire to achieve uniformity with other states is hardly a sufficient reason to push through such a radical concept in this state.

    Finally, this bill does nothing to protect vulnerable women who are victims of ‘abortion coercion’. This is where intimidation is used to force a woman or girl into undergoing an abortion against her will. Recognized as an emerging phenomenon by all sides of the abortion debate, an abortion on demand framework can only work against them, providing less incentive for doctors to “enquire” into this decision.

    https://lawandreligionaustralia.blog/2019/08/08/lawyers-commenting-on-nsw-abortion-law-changes/

  214. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    It derives from blackfellas making a joke about it because they weren’t considered as people, so that left only flora and fauna.

    Bullshit, you’ve tried to backronym what was simply lying and ignorance.

  215. not as long as your work days mate.

    As management we have sat access for internet etc, but basically their is bugger all else to do except go fishing in your off hours, so you don’t really notice

  216. Siltstone

    Good info Carpe J, thanks

  217. BrettW

    I don’t see how FWC has any input into a worker, albeit Aussie, being sacked in PNG.

    Presumably the worker is compensated for working overseas away from home with allowances etc.

    If they have jurisdiction would it then apply to Hong Kong and even Europe?

    Seems crazy to me.

  218. Good info Carpe J, thanks

    Thank you Siltstone – probably should have asked the Doomlord for a posting.

  219. Cassie of Sydney

    Latham is calling the NSW government….the “Berejiklian/Greenwich” government…..good on him…he’s right. Gladhag made a deal with the slime called Greenwich before the March election…..no doubt about it.

  220. I don’t see how FWC has any input into a worker, albeit Aussie, being sacked in PNG.

    Their contention was that he was employed in Oz but seconded on contract to us.That is, he was a full time employee with greater than 12 months service on his parent company and was under our management and control.

    When i flicked him it was determined i acted on the parent companies behalf as i had management control and was held liable as the employer.

    It’s bollocks, but i don’t get to write the law in Oz

  221. Seco

    How is he a climate septic when he’s against fracking, which is sourcing a major supply of energy we are critically (and artificially) short of. What’s his solution then, more windmills?

    The last time I listened to Jones was around 3 years ago, he always rolled out that he was all for mining but not where you could eat the dirt…. or something.

    In any event, judge a person by whom she upsets. He generally upsets the right people. Any radio company that sacks their highest rating performer over a comment that would have not raised an eyebrow until this new woke age deserves to die. I wonder if all those wokesters that work for Fairfax and are cheering on the mob will be so happy clappy when they’re on the dole because the company goes under due to bugger all listeners.

  222. Gab

    Carpe, doesn’t the company have policies that cover when a person is dismissed and the circumstances under which they will be dismissed?

  223. BrettW

    Ok Carpe that makes sense, I think !

  224. Oh come on

    Basically i got away with 4 weeks salary with no allowances (Oz$3400)

    Huh? $3400 for 4 week’s salary? That’s chickenfeed for offshore work.

  225. hzhousewife

    The interwebs tell me that MP Alex Greenwich and his husband Victor hope to have babies one day.

  226. Oh come on

    Or the allowances are $3400 and the base salary is $5k? Maybe it’s because I’m from WA but that still sounds like chickenfeed for offshore work.

  227. Knuckle Dragger

    Worst golf ever.

    Nine holes. Nine stableford points.

    $40 investment in Keno. Return – $0.00. Not one dollar.

    $50 in the slow learner’s room. Nothing. Not one spin had the very smallest of pays. Realised it was a long way from my night so got the hell out of Dodge before I decided my luck had to change and kept at it.

    Home. Food eaten. Watching teev. Scratching behind old derg’s ear. Learning stuff about fracking. Much better.

  228. Carpe, doesn’t the company have policies that cover when a person is dismissed and the circumstances under which they will be dismissed?

    They do and i used the defense that they had breached the Australian OHS laws in that they had put my people in harms way by not securing the compound (reckless endangerment), they don’t understand what offshore work can be like and this was negated as i did not provide them with a ‘support person’ when i put them off contract.

    Basically if i had had a friend of theirs in the room to help them argue their case as to why i shouldn’t terminate the contract i would have been fine. I was pissed off with the complaints (documented in daily construction diaries, but only verbal warnings), and just after ringing the directors pulled the trigger.

  229. Oh come on

    $3400 for 4 week’s salary

    Thanks autocorrect. I meant 4 weeks’ salary.

  230. Knuckle Dragger

    Hang on.

    $3400? A month? Is he the gate-opener-shuttererer or something?

    His allowances better be ten times that (I’m thinking about some LSL next year and PNG might be OK for it).

  231. struth

    Sometimes carpe, a swift get fucked is a great declaration.

  232. JC

    JC is going to like this one ! From the Daily Mail

    “The CEOs of 181 top American companies have released a statement saying a corporation’s purpose is to better society and support local communities rather than maximize profits for stakeholders. The new definition (inset) was released on Monday by the Business Roundtable, a group that dates back to 1997 and gathers over 200 of America’s most influential corporate leaders. The statement was signed by 181 business leaders including including JP Morgan & Chase CEO Jamie Dimon (top left), Amazon’s Jeff Bezos (top right), General Motors’s Mary Barra (bottom left) and Apple’s Tim Cook (bottom right). The statement redefined the purpose of a corporation with social consciousness in mind, saying corporations are now committed to valuing customers, investing in employees by hiring diverse groups and compensating them fairly, dealing ethically with suppliers, protecting the environment with sustainable practices and supporting local communities The new idea takes from the concept of ‘conscious capitalism’ which promotes a company having a responsibility to serve society in addition to stakeholders, an ethos that has been growing in popularity with CEOs over the past decade. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink previously called for CEOs to rethink and re-evaulate the purpose of corporations, calling for corporations to offer guidance on social and economic issues including environmental safety and gender and racial equality”.

    Brett, that only applies when Karl Ichan doesn’t go after them and demands three seats on the board. The US is great that way, or at least used to be when lax management is put through the meat grinder. Anyways I read it yesterday I think. It’s despicable.

    Gotta love Amazon and Apple lecturing the world on serving society whilst avoiding paying tax in USA and other countries through their offshore structures.

    Those are two separate things. The Amazon and Apple bosses should only be lecturing their employees. Corporations do pay tax in the US on US earnings. The US tax code lets them off the hook though for earnings derived from offshore and held offshore. This is not tax avoidance/evasion but deliberate US government policy.

    Aren’t some Amazon workers paid so poorly they need food stamps in USA?

    I dunno. However if they’re offering wages below the market they would lose and fail to attract staff. We shouldn’t really worry about working Americans. They’re doing okay. The US is not a dystopia.

  233. Oh come on
    #3136418, posted on August 20, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    Or the allowances are $3400 and the base salary is $5k? Maybe it’s because I’m from WA but that still sounds like chickenfeed for offshore work.

    Base salary is $3400/month for an operator (Plant operator) it will more than double with allowances, so $7K per month with nothing to spend it on and accommodation and food is provided (dongas)

    $5K is the FIFO cost

  234. Oh come on

    Did you drop a zero off of your numbers, carpe? The guy only wants a $5k payout…hell, give baby his candy! $5k might cover the cost of T-bone steaks for a couple of days on a decent-sized operation.

  235. cohenite

    If you second or transfer an employee overseas, the Fair Work Act 2009 will still have coverage if during the overseas assignment:
    •the employee’s primary place of work remains in Australia; and
    •the employee does not enter into a new contract outside Australia to perform duties outside Australia.

    If an employee is seconded to work overseas for a specified period exclusively for another company related to the employee’s Australian employer, and the overseas business has agreed to pay his or her wages, then the employee will be subject to the labour laws applicable in the country in which he or she is working.

  236. Did you drop a zero off of your numbers, carpe? The guy only wants a $5k payout…hell, give baby his candy! $5k might cover the cost of T-bone steaks for a couple of days on a decent-sized operation.

    5K is the FIFO cost, $3400 is payout before tax and he has to pay his own legal

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