Tuesday Forum: August 20, 2019

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  1. Empire 5:5

    Planned Parenthood
    @PPFA
    Today, the Trump admin is forcing us out of the Title X program — our nation’s program focused on family planning, of which we serve 40% of patients. This is a *direct attack* on Planned Parenthood and on our health and rights, and we will not stand for it. #StandWithPP #ProtectX

    #fakenews

    PP refuses to exit the homo sapien spare parts business, so the WH is halting the flow of taxpayer $ to them.

    The hunters become the hunted. Karma.

  2. dover_beach

    Justice Ferguson says the complainant was not a liar or a fantasist and casts doubt on the testimony of defence witnesses because they were conducting a ritual and possibly couldn’t recall a specific date.

    Here is Weinberg on this point:

    944 Evidence of habit is a form of circumstantial evidence that can be highly relevant in determining a fact or facts in issue. The fact that someone was in the habit of acting in a given way has always been regarded as relevant to the question whether that person acted in that way on the occasion into which the court is inquiring.[227]

    945 Professor Wigmore, in his classic treatise on evidence, dealt extensively with the weight to be given to evidence of habit or custom. He observed that to the extent that such evidence suggested an invariable regularity of action, ‘this fixed sequence of acts tends strongly to show the occurrence of a given instance.’[228] Habit established a regular practice of meeting a particular type of situation with a specific type of conduct. Habit evidence could be highly persuasive of proof of conduct on a particular occasion. Habit was regular and repetitive behaviour, and could be a reliable indicator of probable conduct.[229]

    946 Evidence of habit or custom is inferential in nature. Its probative value may be reduced by showing, if that can be done, that on occasion, the particular habit or custom may not have been followed. That was exactly the approach followed by the prosecution in this trial.

    947 It does not follow that evidence of habit or custom, if so qualified, no longer has any probative value. To say, as Mr Gibson did, repeatedly, in his closing address that it was ‘entirely possible’ that on 15 or 22 December 1996, a habit or custom otherwise clearly established may not have been followed, does not mean that the evidence concerning that habit or custom can simply be put to one side.

  3. John Constantine

    Big fan of Mike Rowe [ dirty jobs].

    His line that:

    “It won’t stick unless it’s what people want”

    Sounds so obvious, but in Big Australia all we are having presented to us is that which our elites want, and the full forces of the State are deployed towards the unswerving end of making the proles want that which our elites have signed us up for.

    It will come unstuck, because in the end people don’t want shoddy Ponxi apartment dogbox death traps with lead in the plumbing, shoddy electrical wiring in the walls and napalm in the cladding.

    People don’t want to be dispersed into the frontier desolation of the regions, without the freedom of internal movement.

    People don’t want the worlds most expensive electricity that goes dark when you need it.

    People don’t want what turnbull and bishop and rudd and gillard signed them up to want.

    Will it come unstuck before it becomes a dystopia?.

    Or Not.

    Comrades.

  4. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    People don’t want what turnbull and bishop and rudd and gillard signed them up to want.

    You left out Abbott, one of the main players.

    Will it come unstuck before it becomes a dystopia?.

    No.

  5. Rockdoctor

    Well today’s verdict was expected and the sound of the kangaroos was deafening. Solution? Unsure as this stank of politics, as for judges voting them in brings potential corruption issues, fixed terms just means there’s a lag as each side stacks their own on the benches and any move to water down the mostly unused removal criteria will be met with howls of separation of powers etc. Rock meet hard place…

    As for the ADF, I see the reasons my friend departed after 2 decades above. He was a foot slogger and said they are hemorrhaging at all OR below Warrant Officer (Most seniors staying are not being far off retirement) and at Captain for the officers. He said Marise Payne was a disaster and has heard Reynolds is busy shoveling the sort of stuff Payne did after a hiatus under Pynes tenure. Apparently they are trying to fill the gaps by targeting Pommies at ceilings in the UK. He says it has already started to cause resentment, thinks it will ultimately backfire.

    Saw in the news Brisbane Runway 2 is about to open, bout time. Should make me a bit less grumpy on my travels through there, especially on Friday night rush hours. Think I might break a self imposed rule of not drinking on school nights and relax with a couple of Gold cans tonight whilst catching up on the rest of the day.

  6. Empire 5:5

    Will it come unstuck before it becomes a dystopia?.

    It’s already unravelling, but many refuse to believe it because the fakestream won’t report it.

    We the sheeple might want to expand their thinking and ask some different questions.

  7. JC

    A friend rides motorcycles around the world and I mean everywhere, traveled through Mongolia and made this observation.

    Mongolia also stands out as a memorable experience, food wise. This is a country where until very recently most people lived a nomadic life in a climate that is very inclement. Basically living on the back of a horse in the snow and going home to a cold tent because there is no wood for fuel. Calorie dense food is needed to heat the body. A diet that according to me consists of 100% of deep fried dough with horse meat inside is the solution. I forget what I ate. My mind blanked it out. Luckily only 10 days or so. Incidentally, given that the Mongols are no longer nomadic, given their diet, they are going to be the world’s fattest people in a decade. The kids are already so obese that they can roll.

  8. Bruce in WA

    http://www.defence.gov.au/Diversity/_Master/docs/DRAP.pdf

    Read it and weep.

    ZK2A, I did … obviously, the twats who wrote that document are members of the Julia Gillard School of Vocabulary …

    Diversity is a key tenant to the success of Pathway to Change; Evolving Defence Culture

    FMD, people, editors aren’t expensive!!

  9. stackja

    Barge carrying truck overturns at Great Mackerel Beach

    A special hazardous materials unit is attending a remote northern beaches community after four men had to be rescued when a barge ferrying a truck, which was carrying sullage, overturned this afternoon.
    Jim O’Rourke, Manly Daily
    Subscriber only

    an hour ago

    Four men had to be rescued from the water this afternoon after a barge ferrying a truck carrying 10,000 litres of liquid waste from a remote northern beaches community overturned in Pittwater.

    NSW Fire and Rescue, Rural Fire Service (RFS) and Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) personnel are now at Great Mackerel Beach after the barge tipped over just after 1pm.

    The truck had just pumped the sullage from a tank on a wharf at the remote location on the western edge of Pittwater, close to Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park.

    A special hazardous materials unit from the Avalon Fire and Rescue station joined members of the RFS and RMS to place special booms around the submerged truck and the upturned barge to prevent any leakage from spreading.

    A Fire and Rescue spokesman said only a small amount of diesel from the truck’s fuel tank has leaked into Pittwater.

    But a thin film of diesel was now covering 40 square metres area of Pittwater.

    “The truck is carrying 10,000 litres of sullage (wastewater from sinks, showers and baths), but the liquid is contained in its tank and has not leaked,” the spokesman said.

    “The truck, which is submerged, contains 1500 litres of diesel and 400 litres of hydraulic fluids.”

    The booms may be in place for another three days as a salvage operation gets under way early on Thursday morning.

  10. Empire 5:5

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    I’ve seen the source vid. The story checks out, but I can’t verify the dates.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7372745/Katherine-Keating-Jeffrey-Epstein-connection-Paul-Keating.html

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    “It’s a big CLUB.
    And YOU AIN’T IN IT.
    You and I are NOT IN the big club.”

    George Carlin.

  12. JC

    All excellent points, but I’m not sure I agree with Gorden.

    I think the adjusting for change in longevity is very interesting. The one thing I could add to this is that because of my work, I grew up with the Reuters dealing system. This system was called the intranet that tied in all traders to communicate though that system. We had news scrolling down and live rates. The advent of the web didn’t faze me. The one thing I recall in terms of a news alert that shocked us for as few minutes was the alert that the war sirens were going full bore in Seoul, Korea. This implied that war and likely nuclear was about to start. Obviously, it was a false alarm.

    We often think that we live in a time of enormous change. Usually it is the ubiquitous nature of computers, modern communication and the internet and its spawn that reinforce this notion. I too thought this for a long time, that is, until I read “The Rise and Fall of American Growth: The U.S. Standard of Living since the Civil War” by Robert J. Gordon.

    Gordon demonstrates, convincingly, that instead, it is really the three generations from the spread of industrialisation in the late 19th century, up to the start of the second world war that experienced real change; by contrast, we live in an era of relatively little change.

    Importantly, he shows that those two prior generations went from no radio, no phones, no long distance communication, no cars, no planes, no running water, no waterborne sewage, with most people engaged in farming and food production to essentially what we have today. In those relatively few years we essentially went from the majority of the population on the land, producing food, with a minority artisanally making stuff to modern life.

    Should someone from the 1940s walk into a house today, most things, with the exclusion of the computer would be recognisable, even though the technologies may be more advanced. By contrast, someone from the 1870s walking into life in the 1940s would find many things akin to magic.

    Gordon uses growth and productivity statistics to reinforce that we do not live in a high change world at all, and that instead it was the generations spanning the period from before the end of the 19th concept to the start of the 20th century that saw change. For much of the earlier period of real change, productivity growth was a large multiple of productivity growth now. The reason – more change in the early period and more novel technologies then, than now, a period where are most a few things are being rounded off.

    We are relative wusses at dealing with the pace of change. The tough ones that had to cope with much greater rate of change came before us. To be fair, it helped though that they died quicker, and it is a fact that our longer lives (60% longer on average) offset some of the slower rate of change. While our pace of change is not as high, the cumulative change we are likely to experience over a lifetime, as a result of longer lives, may approach what our ancestors did over their shorter quicker changing ones. Go and read the book however; it will give you pause.

    Maybe the coming engineered changes in the human genome will herald a new era of high rate of change, but we do not live in one now.

  13. egg_

    More fake Chinese police cars are spotted in Australian cities

    Driven by that fake Chinese bloke, Pwong?

  14. mh

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    She was giving Prince Andrew a good old fashioned Royal flogging.

  15. zyconoclast

    South African government accused of xenophobia over its treatment of migrants
    Outrage is growing over what is seen as the targeting of undocumented migrants in South Africa. After a raid and the arrest of about 500 people, the government is being accused of using the migrants as scapegoats.

  16. mh

    CBP San Diego

    @CBPSanDiego
    Unable to scale the new primary border barrier and flee back to Mexico, two men who entered the U.S. illegally near San Diego were arrested by #BorderPatrol. Barriers give agents the time they need to respond and contain illicit activity at the immediate border. @CBP
    https://twitter.com/CBPSanDiego/status/1163565137002782720?s=20

  17. zyconoclast

    How white women’s “investment” in slavery has shaped America today
    White women are sometimes seen as bystanders to slavery. A historian explains why that’s wrong

    In the American South before the Civil War, white women couldn’t vote. They couldn’t hold office. When they married, their property technically belonged to their husbands.

    But, as historian Stephanie Jones-Rogers notes, there was one thing they could do, just as white men could: They could buy, sell, and own enslaved people.

    But didn’t this slave technically belong to her husband?

  18. Percy Popinjay

    in the end people don’t want shoddy Ponxi apartment dogbox death traps with lead in the plumbing, shoddy electrical wiring in the walls and napalm in the cladding

    But they’ve been saddled with the hideous death/debt traps anyway. The plummeting price of existence pods is going to ensure some “interesting times” in the Sydneystan and Mosquebourne real estate markets over the next few years.

    Comrades, get ready to be prevailed upon to help “remediate” this inexcusable social and economic disaster, whether you own an existence pod or not.

  19. zyconoclast

    California’s Largest Cities Now Battling ‘Defecation Crisis,’ Human Waste on Sidewalks

    Democrat’s literally turn cities into $H!T Holes.

    “California’s two-largest cities -San Francisco and Los Angeles- are currently experiencing a “Defecation Crisis,” with both regions struggling to crack-down on rampant homelessness and public drug use.

    “The majority of the nation’s homeless people now live in California. There are myriad causes at work, no doubt. But there was no “defecation crisis”—a term usually associated with rural India—in the 1930s, even with unemployment at 25%, vagabonds roaming the country, and shantytowns and “Hoovervilles” springing up everywhere.

    “In California at least, one is struck by the contrast between the fastidious attention paid to the social duty of scooping up and disposing of dog feces, and the rather more paralyzed and guilty reaction to the plague of human feces. The former is treated as a moral imperative among the enlightened—and the thin plastic bags used as the means to this moral end have so far escaped the fate of plastic straws, well on their way to being outlawed as an environmental outrage. Even social-justice warriors don’t consider it their personal duty, however, to tidy up after their fellow human beings on the streets,” adds the article.

  20. egg_

    More fake Chinese police cars

    Also those cars are in no way “fake” – the Chinese have got their police out here policing the chinese.

    The first pic looks like a Beemer M3 – helluva waste, if it’s a mock up.

  21. Empire 5:5

    She was giving Prince Andrew a good old fashioned Royal flogging.

    It seems the flogging activity at that location wasn’t consensual. She was chummy with Ghislane Maxwell. What was she doing there?

  22. zyconoclast

    First the came for Kathy Zhu

    Then they came for Katie Williams

    When will the harassment of US beauty pageant end!

  23. zyconoclast

    Gender Minority Mental Health in the U.S.: Results of a National Survey on College Campuses

    CONCLUSIONS
    This national study offers compelling evidence of mental health inequities among GM students compared with cisgender students, with 2–4 times higher prevalence of depression, anxiety, eating disorders, self-injury, and suicidality. Findings underscore the importance of institutions addressing the needs of GM students, increasing capacity to deliver mental health services responsive to the lived realities GM students face, and a broader urgency to shape the evidence base for clinical care and social policies that protect GM adolescents and young adults in this country.

  24. amortiser

    Do these talking heads hear what they are saying? Tonight, Alan Jones gave his views on the abortion laws. He says that abortion has to be removed from the criminal law and then in the next breath he says that sex selection based abortion should be illegal!!!

  25. JC

    You gotta laugh.

    Mr. Trump and his advisers on Tuesday said any proposals weren’t a direct response to concerns about a recession, and White House discussions may not lead to any new policies. The president and his aides have frequently said they are considering new economic measures, including suggesting new tax cuts ahead of the 2018 elections. No such measures have come to fruition since tax cuts the president signed into law in December 2017.

    It isn’t clear a capital-gains tax cut would bolster the economy. An analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington research group run by a former Obama administration official,
    found that a lower capital-gains tax rate doesn’t substantially spur economic growth.

  26. Empire 5:5

    All excellent points, but I’m not sure I agree with Gorden.

    Same. The fact we now hold a device in the palm of our hands that does what it does and allows the state and corporations to spy on us 24/7, would be fantasy to a soldier returning from WWII.

    Then there is the Apollo program and what it spawned. That includes solid state electronics and power storage that made the iPhone possible.

    Is change less obvious because we are conditioned to accept continuous “innovation” Have great leaps forward been retarded to serve established interests?

  27. zyconoclast

    ‘Real hair-raising stuff’: BBC receives complaints over Gary Lineker’s bald joke

    The BBC must now respond to the complaints from members of the public as per its policies, as its highest-paid presenter pokes fun at the grievance online.

    Watched online by more than 100,000 people, on top of the millions watching the main show live, it saw Lineker tell viewers: “It’s a strong start to the premier league season. Real hair-raising stuff at times… unless you’re Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy.”

    The camera then panned to the two pundits, who are both bald, laughing and shaking their heads.

  28. Empire 5:5

    Shocked I tells ya!

    Jeffrey Epstein named Bill Gates’ former science adviser as one of three executors of his $578 million estate — though the man said he was “shocked” to learn of the news.
    —-
    The extent of Epstein and Nikolic’s relationship isn’t clear, but a source told Bloomberg that Nikolic funded more than a dozen gene-editing businesses after splitting from Gates in 2014 and controlled a $42 million stake in one gene company, Editas Medicine Inc.

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/ex-bill-gates-adviser-shocked-to-be-named-one-of-jeffrey-epsteins-executors/amp/

  29. Empire 5:5

    Paul Ryan to Move Family from Wisconsin to Washington, D.C.

    Curious. I thought he would have gone for Florida.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Paul Ryan to Move Family from Wisconsin to Washington, D.C.

    Curious. I thought he would have gone for Florida.

    He’d be a natural Florida man?

  31. mh

    Florida? Not seeing the connection.

  32. 132andBush

    Sydney Boy

    #3137391, posted on August 21, 2019 at 6:20 pm

    And now the Defence leadership has reached peak stupid. Under the Defence Reconciliation Action Plan (just released), they are attempting to double indigenous participation in the ADF (I thought press gangs were a thing of the past); but the icing on the cake is that each Defence Force Base is to have dual English / Indigenous names by 2022. I can assure all Cats that this is not going down well with the soldiers.

    One of my sons is still waiting for his letter of offer (admittedly for specialist role).
    He’s really up against it now, male AND white.

  33. Leigh Lowe

    Jeffrey Epstein named Bill Gates’ former science adviser as one of three executors of his $578 million estate — though the man said he was “shocked” to learn of the news.

    Ooohhh.
    That’s like being named as executor of Charlie Manson’s estate.

  34. twostix

    Jeffrey Epstein named Bill Gates’ former science adviser

    Bill Gates’s crew are busy in Africa social engineering the population.

    We know what they’re really doing there.

  35. twostix

    Do these talking heads hear what they are saying? Tonight, Alan Jones gave his views on the abortion laws. He says that abortion has to be removed from the criminal law and then in the next breath he says that sex selection based abortion should be illegal!!!

    The new establishment class knows it can’t hold its position for long. Like they used their youth and numbers to knock off the old guard Conservatives in the 70’s and 80’s, they know that they too will be replaced knocked off by the next generation who have a billion better grievances about the current state of affairs than they ever did.

    But what if there *is* no next generation! Hmmmmm.

  36. Steve trickler

    Gorgeous females.



  37. classical_hero

    https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/lets-get-physio/11413904

    This is my cousin’s husband who was on Gardening Australia. Remember to warm up your green thumbs.

  38. Candy

    Epstein knew a lot of top people but no-one is saying anything about him. Zilch.

  39. Old School Conservative

    Another charity ripped off by an insider.
    Police have arrested a 50-year-old man after a long-running investigation into a $2.7m fraud case against the charity Surf Life Saving New South Wales.
    A complex scam run over 10 years – but where were the auditors?

  40. twostix

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    Because there’s a class in the anglosphere – let’s call them the Clintonian class – that are Lady Bathory style aristocractic degenerates.

    We’re going to learn so much over the next few years.

  41. egg_

    agggh. fucking harpsicords!

    More cowbell harpsichord!

  42. egg_

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    Their Bohemian Upper Classes – above the Law.

  43. twostix

    According to the testimonies, Báthory’s initial victims were serving girls aged 10 to 14 years,[30] the daughters of local peasants, many of whom were lured to Čachtice by offers of well paid work as maids and servants in the castle. Later, she is said to have begun to kill daughters of the lesser gentry, who were sent to her gynaeceum by their parents to learn courtly etiquette. Abductions were said to have occurred as well.[31] The atrocities described most consistently included severe beatings, burning or mutilation of hands, biting the flesh off the faces, arms and other body parts, freezing or starving to death.[31] The use of needles was also mentioned by the collaborators in court. There were many suspected forms of torture carried out by Elizabeth.[32] According to the Budapest City Archives, the girls were burned with hot tongs and then placed in freezing cold water.[32] They were also covered in honey and live ants.[32] Elizabeth is also suspected of cannibalism.[32]

    Some witnesses named relatives who died while at the gynaeceum. Others reported having seen traces of torture on dead bodies, some of which were buried in graveyards, and others in unmarked locations. Two court officials (Benedek Deseő and Jakab Szilvássy) claimed to have personally witnessed the Countess torture and kill young servant girls.[19]:96–99 According to the testimony of the defendants, Elizabeth Báthory tortured and killed her victims not only at Čachtice but also on her properties in Sárvár, Németkeresztúr, Bratislava (Pozsony in Hungarian), and Vienna, and elsewhere. In addition to the defendants, several people were named for supplying Elizabeth Báthory with young women, procured either by deception or by force.[citation needed]

    This is us now.

  44. egg_

    Can someone explain why Katherine Keating was at Epstein’s Manhattan torture chamber with the Duke of York in 2010?

    Likely goes back well beyond hung black pianist Leslie Hutchinson banging Mrs Mountbatten (including with party guests present).

  45. Stimpson J. Cat

    Watched online by more than 100,000 people, on top of the millions watching the main show live, it saw Lineker tell viewers: “It’s a strong start to the premier league season. Real hair-raising stuff at times… unless you’re Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy.”
    The camera then panned to the two pundits, who are both bald, laughing and shaking their heads.

    Lineker should have been fired for this outrage.
    I feel for the poor victims.
    It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

  46. Mindfree

    PML came on after Jones and Richo (wife’s choice)

    One of his favourite panelists Linda Scott (moron) and opened mouth

    Changed channel

    He just doesn’t get it !!

  47. MatrixTransform

    cowbell

    the Arduino in the middle … clever bastard

  48. twostix

    Next Top Model scout Jean-Luc Brunel flew poor 12-year-old triplets in from France as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT for Jeffrey Epstein to abuse, unsealed documents claim

    the millionaire bragged about paying to have the 12-year-old girls, believed to be sisters, flown in from France for one day

    The gift allegedly came from Epstein’s longtime friend Jean-Luc Brunel

    Epstein invested $1million to help launch Brunel’s Miami-based modeling firm MC2, in return for a ‘supply of girls on tap’, the suit claims

    Firstly all of this wasn’t just for Epstein. Epstein was a pimp, they’re hoping to put 100% of the focus on him and hope we don’t all wonder why one man needed thousands of underage girls and how nobody said anything about this one man and his thousands of young girls that apparently everybody knew about and were completely ok with.

    Back in reality he was providing hundreds of powerful people with access to them, and those people run the world or are related to the people who do and that’s why nobody said a word.

  49. twostix

    Also these people, the bugman classes, have been living in the cracks of the modern existence where you can be a “citizen of the world” and squat in the elite areas of half a dozen countries each year and nobody can keep track of what you’re doing in each one.

    This breeds a sense of being untouchable. Living in the walled gardens of the western bugman elite in third world shitholes preying on their disorder and chaos from inside your fortress. When things get hot just leave and go to the next one.

    Private security, paid off police, hopping from one country to the next knowing their exploits will never reach the first world.

    That’s how they operate.

  50. egg_

    Epstein was a pimp, they’re hoping to put 100% of the focus on him and hope we don’t all wonder why one man needed thousands of underage girls and how nobody said anything about this one man and his thousands of young girls that apparently everybody knew about and were completely ok with.

    Back in reality he was providing hundreds of powerful people with access to them, and those people run the world or are related to the people who do and that’s why nobody said a word.

    Keating can only be besmirched with such an association.

  51. John Constantine

    Our elites are terrified that the proles are becoming enlightened about the corruption and depravities of the good and the great.

    The flood of bollards and security cameras and artificial intelligence social credit scoring dissent recognition technology isn’t to protect the proles, it is to identify when incandescence is resulting from the heresy of opening a forbidden toolbox of knowledge.

    Dissent recognition technology and plain clothes paramilitary Death Squads are all that our elites can hope to save them.

    Even if they have to be bought in from the chicom secret police [ like the ones with the concession to operate in yarragrad in return for OBOR.]

    Comrades,

  52. John Constantine

    Their keating is operating as a social influencer of australians, lecturing from their abc bully pulpit on behalf of the Tyrant for life of all the chicoms.

    For money.

    If besmirchment was a cesspit full of manure from chicom plague pigs it would smell cleaner than keating.

    The indonesians established what was for sale, all the next buyer had to do was haggle on price.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    If besmirchment was a cesspit full of manure from chicom plague pigs it would smell cleaner than keating.

    Is PJ still in the windfall piggery business?

  54. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    132andBush
    #3137615, posted on August 21, 2019 at 10:06 pm

    Sounds fascinating, Bush.
    I represent a Nigerian company that wishes to reward future leaders like you, so please just send me your full bank account details, including password, so we can arrange to have three million dollars transferred to you.

  55. Steve trickler

    Bald, is back on the road.



  56. cohenite

    BoN, cohenite, anyone.

    Has anyone heard or know about this stuff? Altering the weather.

    Put me down for a 1000 shares.

  57. The Beer Whisperer

    But they’ve been saddled with the hideous death/debt traps anyway. The plummeting price of existence pods is going to ensure some “interesting times” in the Sydneystan and Mosquebourne real estate markets over the next few years.

    When you consider that they rely purely on population growth, it demonstrates the lack of inherent value in these properties while being utterly dependent on forever population growth, supported by the same people that would murder 80% of us to keep the planet “*cough* “sustainable”.

  58. 132andBush

    My thoughts exactly, Peter.

  59. zyconoclast

    Graham: IG’s report on Russia probe will be ‘ugly and damning’ for DOJ

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., is adamant about revealing what went on behind the scenes of the Russia investigation and is looking forward to the American people learning about what happened.

    Graham pointed to three investigations of the investigators that are taking place: one by his committee; one by Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham, who was appointed by Attorney General Bill Barr to conduct a probe; and one by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz.

    I believe the Horowitz report will be ugly and damning,” Graham told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo on “Sunday Morning Futures.” That report has been anticipated for months, but it has faced delays in recent months.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shorten’s union faces probe over inflated membership numbers

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    2 minutes ago August 21, 2019
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    The union behind Bill Shorten’s rise to power in Labor politics has been threatened with a formal investigat­ion after vastly exaggerating its membership numbers, and then refusing to hand over interna­l audit figures.

    The Registered Organisations Commission, the nation’s regul­at­or of union governance, has warned the Australian Workers Union that its patience is running out following repeated delays and a lack of co-operation in meeting legal reporting obligations.

    Wrangling between the ROC and AWU has reached a new low point, with the union’s leadership now admitting that “it will not be possible to ever arrive at definitive historical figures”. An internal AWU membership audit dating back to 2009 was forced on the union last year, as first reported by The Australian, after it had resisted an external audit.

    ROC doubts about the accur­acy of AWU records over a decade were sparked by preliminary analysis confirming the union’s membership in 2017 was 69,786 — down 50 per cent on the 139,329 declared just five years earlier.

    The halving of AWU membership numbers over such a short period raised questions not only about the union’s accounting practices and transparency, but the real strength of Mr Shorten’s right-wing union powerbase over many years if it was exaggerated.

    After serving as the AWU’s nation­al and Victorian secretary, Mr Shorten continued to rely on his former union for key political support when he was elected to federal parliament in late 2007 and rose to the top of his party.

    ROC executive director Chris Enright expressed dismay at the “integrity of AWU membership data” and delays in rectifying the problem in July last year, during a steady flow of correspondence with current AWU national secretary­ Daniel Walton.

    Mr Walton, who was not the AWU’s leader when membership levels were inflated, advised Mr Enright in September that all union branches had been told to extend their membership reviews back to 2009, as the ROC wanted.

    From the Oz.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘membership…. down 50 per cent’

    So that’s where all his ‘lift and support’ went.

  62. John Constantine

    If a political one trick pony can only have a solitary trick, then branchstacking is the one to have.

    Wonder how many labor pollies toss and turn at night doing the ‘ what if’ shortfilth hadn’t branchstacked his way into power?.

    Without shorten branchstacking would we still even have the godless commo turnbullites?.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Sandgroper Cats …

    I’m getting quietly smashed, on the verandah, overlooking the Avon.

    Peter, formerly known as Memory vault, I’ll buy you a good lunch at the Rose and Crown if you move back West…

  64. JC

    Ronery

    Face up to the fact you’re a lonely alcoholic and at the rate you’re drinking yourself stupid, you’re not going to last long. Check out the nearest AA and go to the meets. They will help.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Do these talking heads hear what they are saying? Tonight, Alan Jones gave his views on the abortion laws. He says that abortion has to be removed from the criminal law and then in the next breath he says that sex selection based abortion should be illegal!!!

    If sex selection is to be addressed at all within the proposed framework of the new abortion laws then the only workable option is to specifically declare that abortion for sex selection, and for that alone, is a criminal act. This may seem contradictory, as it would be almost impossible to prove under the proposed laws what the reason was for any abortion, given that women will be able to apparently make up all sorts of ‘social’ claims to achieve an abortion that is really for sex selection, but the thought that they were doing something criminal might deter some. It might also make some think about the overall wrongs of abortion. So there is a sort of case for having this contradictory approach within the total laxity of the proposed laws.

    Given the range of public attitudes, the best approach would be to create laws that produce a genuine ‘early, safe, legal and rare’ outcome, not criminalized but not treated lightly either, certainly not available for sex selection, and with no abortions of viable infants. After 20-22 weeks the mother awaits delivery at term, unless the mother will die if the pregnancy continues, in which case a caesarian at the latest possible option should try to save the infant, for adoption if necessary.

  66. Face up to the fact you’re a lonely alcoholic

    I think your toast is burning, go check it.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Regarding all the talk of a “Gold card” up thread, yes, I do know that they are almost impossible to obtain, but I did submit an application, with all the supporting paperwork, and yes I was granted one, which makes OCO’s ravings about “stolen valour” fucking well offensive.

    Zulu Kilo 2 Alpha, closing down now, over.

  68. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3137677, posted on August 22, 2019 at 12:17 am

    I know of one young lady who could have benefited from abortion.
    She suffered from pre-natal depression and I noticed that there was something wrong with her, seeing her only on occasions. Others in her family seeing her every day thought it was just being pregnant.

    I’m not a psychiatrist’s boot-string but I knew there was something wrong but said nothing.
    She hanged herself.
    I never forgive myself for not speaking to her Nana who was looking after her at the time.

    Other than that, I feel abortion is wrong on many levels bar a few circumstances.

  69. JC

    Sinc

    What do you think of Driller’s behavior here in terms of value added.

    1. Incessant narcissistic pubbling
    2 Lacking integrity
    3. Ethnic slurring
    4. Supporting a vicious plagiarizer
    5. one of the worst “pile onners” here
    6. Stupidity.

    Isn’t it time to send him back to his own blog or Lavatory Pronto?

  70. JC, go check the toast – it could be burning.

  71. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3137681, posted on August 22, 2019 at 12:30 am

    So you stop drinking and live an abominable extra year longer, gasping for a drink and feeling all round miserable.
    Is it worth it?

  72. JC

    JC, go check the toast – it could be burning.

    Me, check the toast? I don’t eat toast. Whereas you breathlessly informed us you fired a chef for not toasting bread to your exacting standards, you dissembling boofhead.

  73. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    On a happier note than I have felt here so far tonight, we returned late from the Northern Beaches where friends had invited us to a charity screening of the movie Palm Beach.

    “Living in Palm Beach but with their minds still in Newtown”, is my basic review of the ambience and tone of it. Bryan Brown was the only well-acted role. He did well, being given a less-than-cardboard-cutout character in comparison the others. Unlike his, their acting was mostly too ‘staged’, their characters stereotypes, and the script generally too wordy. The usual thing with Australian scripting. Over-written, lacking a feel for the naturalistic ‘flow’ of language, with too much dialogue.

    Example: a couple having relationship difficulties are chatting getting ready for bed. She asks him if he remembers where they met, and he gets it wrong. OK so far. But this is then used as an excuse for her to ‘reminisce’ in narrative detail about what her dire personal circumstances were at the time, how she felt about him, and what she thought he thought about her. Tremendously contrived, in other words. There are better ways to let your characters be known than by having them mouth wads of textual explanation about themselves.

    There was too much of this sort of thing, although the story did have its moments. There was lots of frenetic energy as old friends got together to dance and party. The plotline was all highly predictable, so nothing much new there, but reasonably well done. The real estate pron was quite nice. The décor was not to my taste but I’ve seen quite a bit like it around the upper reaches of The Beaches. The personnel were all in the ‘creative’ industries, although the owner of the house where the action was set had made his filthy lucre in the garment trade. The scene setting was OK, the Palmie BBQ was done fairly authentically, as was the trip to The Boathouse Restaurant (where Hairy and I attended a wedding not so long ago). But for a comedy of manners, not quite a farce, the real laughs were few and far between. I laughed mildly once, Hairy managed twice. The audience of friends and rellies did better with some loud guffaws, but hard-nosed financiers should not rely on that.

    In fact, they won’t have to because the financiers seemed to be mainly government enterprises.
    If that isn’t enough to put you off, then it’s your sort of movie. It’s heaven sent for urbanite retirees who want to revisit their yoof, and some of the music is well-chosen boomer stuff.

  74. egg_

    Rogue politician Pauline Hanson has been slammed for her brutal suggestion that police use cattle prods against climate change protesters.

    Inconvenienced Joe Public would likely support this.
    Anyone making a buck out of selling cattle prods?

  75. JC

    Check it out, Trump’s firing missiles in all directions on Twitter.
    He really has it in for the Fed Chairman.

    this:

    Doing great with China and other Trade Deals. The only problem we have is Jay Powell and the Fed. He’s like a golfer who can’t putt, has no touch. Big U.S. growth if he does the right thing, BIG CUT – but don’t count on him! So far he has called it wrong, and only let us down….

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Three and a half stars? I ask of Hairy re the movie.
    Seven out of ten, he says generously.
    I knock it back to six point five. A low Credit.

  77. Hydra

    Another charity ripped off by an insider.
    Police have arrested a 50-year-old man after a long-running investigation into a $2.7m fraud case against the charity Surf Life Saving New South Wales.
    A complex scam run over 10 years – but where were the auditors?

    twostix

    $2.7m over 10 years would be highly immaterial and never picked up by an auditor.

    As has been explained many times on the Cat, external auditors role is not to pick up fraud. That is management’s role, and it is also their role to have controls in place to prevent fraud (and the directors of the charity would make such a declaration to the auditor each year).

    The directors should be sacked immediately.

  78. Hydra

    Additionally, often fraud manifests as legitimate transactions that an auditor would not pick up through normal testing. It is up to management to know and identify all related parties and any dealings the company they manage has with those related parties.

  79. Stimpson J. Cat

    Me, check the toast? I don’t eat toast.

    What the hell is wrong with you JC?
    This is outrageous behavior.
    You aren’t one of those Gluten intolerant hippies are you?

  80. I don’t eat toast.

    Your job is to check the toast – not eat it.
    Now go see if it is burning.

  81. JC

    Stimson..

    No, I don’t eat breakfast and never have.

  82. Rogue politician Pauline Hanson has been slammed for her brutal suggestion that police use cattle prods against climate change protesters.

    Inconvenienced Joe Public would likely support this.
    Anyone making a buck out of selling cattle prods?

    Every MSM article I’ve seen, the headline & article have been of the “Pauline is a hillbilly doofus, haw haw haw” nature,
    however the comments thread is 80/20 in favour of electrocuting the swampies – especially if they’ve supaglued themselves to the street.

    The Cairns Post is apparently a particularly scathing anti-Pauline article.
    Judging by the comments thread below their article, the Cairns Post is extremely out of touch with the mood of their readership.

  83. Anyone know the Italian for “I’ve checked the toast, & she no burning yet boss man, should I check it again in 20 minutes or so?”

  84. Whereas you breathlessly informed us you fired a chef for not toasting bread to your exacting standards…

    There’s the difference between your sloppy standards & my high standards.
    Now go eat your improperly cooked toast, you quality control expert.

  85. JC

    There’s the difference between your sloppy standards & my high standards.

    Driller, you’re a bum. You’re always complaining about staff turnover and how long you have to spend looking for them. It shows you couldn’t run a shower. Now go clean the bar.

  86. Mark A

    The night shift has lost its pizazz since the bookie and Arky left.

  87. Stimpson J. Cat

    No, I don’t eat breakfast and never have.

    Not eating breakfast is perfectly fine,
    most people are gluttonous fat blubbery beasts.
    But not eating toast is gay.
    It’s like not eating scones.
    Unacceptable in polite society.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    The night shift has lost its pizazz since the bookie and Arky left.

    I’m going shortly too.
    This was just a brief visit to make sure no Catholic Cats topped themselves in despair after the unfortunate news.
    I was just checking to see if this was still Australia’s leading Vietnam War and teaching blog.

  89. JC

    By the way, how’s your drinking buddy Marcus Adonis? I could imagine you lowlife grifters downing a few beers enjoying each other’s company.

    Recall how you denied this, you zero integrity dickhead. No fucking wonder banks won’t lend you any money.

    He didn’t plagiarize that.

    Recall? 🙂

  90. you’re a bum. You’re always complaining about staff turnover and how long you have to spend looking for them. It shows you couldn’t run a shower

    Says the bloke who doesn’t even know or care if toast is made properly or not.
    You’d dress like a Baltimore bum, with the standards you’ve got.

  91. Mark A

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3137708, posted on August 22, 2019 at 1:27 am

    Yeah, well you might check.
    Hard to tell these days.
    Have good sleep Stimpy one of the few pleasures in life, and if anyone disputes it, well, they have no idea what insomnia is.

  92. No fucking wonder banks won’t lend you any money.

    Please explain the methodology used for this.
    Could be interesting.
    You’re not exactly Sherlock Holmes when it comes to knowing how the world works (after all, you’re the bloke who demonstrated a Wayne Swan level of understanding of banking)
    If my full name is not actually Socrates at the Pub, then you’re safe from blowback. (unlike some dickhead on another forum a couple of nights ago)

  93. I was just checking to see if this was still Australia’s leading Vietnam War and teaching blog.

    Hopefully there’s been a smiting – that’ll save my scrolling wheel from requiring new bearings.

  94. JC

    Says the bloke who doesn’t even know or care if toast is made properly or not.

    You’re right, I don’t. It was you who told us how you fired someone for not doing so. You really are a boofheaded idiot , Driller. You have no ability to understand your own arguments or for that matter who made them.

    You’d dress like a Baltimore bum, with the standards you’ve got.

    I don’t know what that even means, you boofhead. I bet neither do you. Enough. Now go clean the bar.

  95. Sacking people who don’t come up to standard is boofheaded eh?
    So what is your suggestion for handling the matter?

    You know what Baltimore bum means, you dress like one.

  96. JC

    Please explain the methodology used for this.

    Methodology? What methodology would I need other than recalling how you told us that if you found out you had a terminal illness, you’d pick up one of the 28 guns you possess and go shoot up the banking personnel at the desert oasis where you live. I’d guess the reason isn’t because they’re offering low interest rates on certificates of deposit, you boofheaded donghead. No wonder the cops paid you a visit to check on your mental stability (that you complained about recently).

  97. Methodology? What methodology

    A perfect summing up of your investigative skilz dude.

  98. JC

    Sacking people who don’t come up to standard is boofheaded eh?
    So what is your suggestion for handling the matter?

    Two things, either you’re an appalling judge of character, which is not impossible to imagine, judging by the company you seem to keep, or you’re a terrible, terrible boss and the reason you’re at FairWork every other week.

    In my opinion, it could be a combo of the two.

    You know what Baltimore bum means, you dress like one.

    How does a Baltimore bum dress like?

  99. You’re pretty sharp y’know JC.
    You should consider moving up from operating a toaster & helping around the kitchen.
    A smart guy like you could really make it in the lawnmowing world or something like that.
    You might even earn enough to pay tax.

  100. JC

    A perfect summing up of your investigative skilz dude.

    I know, using your own words against you. It’s like a Weinberg summation, right?

  101. How does a Baltimore bum dress like?

    Take a look in the mirror.

  102. JC

    Drills

    Don’t take my word for it, but even that restaurant owner was caning you last night suggesting you’re a terrible hospitality business owner if the way you conduct yourself is the how you demonstrate here.

    By the way, I’m only trying to help you see the error of your ways. Don’t be offended.

  103. Don’t take my word for it, but even that restaurant owner was caning you last night suggesting you’re a terrible hospitality business owner if the way you conduct yourself is the how you demonstrate here.

    He was a drunken old fool.
    Can understand why you want to quote the content-free old goat though, you’ve not got what it takes to lay a glove on me.
    Understandable, Your standards – couldn’t even bother whether toast is served soggy or not – aren’t up to mine.
    Should I invoice you for these lessons on how to operate a business?
    Coz you’re learning quite a bit from me.

  104. JC

    He was a drunken old fool.

    Of course he was. NOT! Another example of your refusal to admit things showing again a typical loser mentality. Go back and read what he said and take it in. He was also trying to help you like I am.

    Can understand why you want to quote the content-free old goat though, you’ve not got what it takes to lay a glove on me.

    Drills, there hasn’t been a time that I can recall, that you haven’t led with you chin and when you receive a hook, you get all offensive. Not one time. Everyone here at one time or another has given you a decent thrashing. Keep the chin well away, you boofhead.

    Understandable, Your standards – couldn’t even bother whether toast is served soggy or not – aren’t up to mine.

    Driller, for the 400th time, I don’t care about toast. You do.

    Should I invoice you for these lessons on how to operate a business?

    Invoice me anytime you want.

    Coz you’re learning quite a bit from me.

    Yep, I am. How not to ever embarrass myself.

    Enough now.

  105. JC, always remember, you’ve been put on this earth to make the rest of us look neat, tidy, & smart.
    No matter how worthless you feel as a human being, keep in mind you do serve that useful function.

  106. He was a drunken old fool.
    Of course he was. NOT

    Yes he was, the old goat had nothing. Nothing but a chip on his shoulder & likely the big end of a bottle of port inside his skin.

    I don’t care about toast. You do.

    Precisely!
    You have no standards, you’re sloppy & negligent, you don’t have an eye for detail.
    Sort of the opposite of how I run my show. I wish you’d start a business nearby, I could do with looking even better than I do already.

  107. Now go check the toaster, it could be burning…. GO!

  108. JC

    Driller

    You’re always firing people continuously and ending up at FairWork every few weeks. Stop it now. Now go pour drinks.

  109. JC, if this was the ABC you are David Marr, and I’m Gerard Henderson.

  110. Now go check on the toast.
    Btw, when did I most recently sack someone?
    & for what reason?

  111. Whups! Knock off time. The punters are all gone. I can hit the hay.
    You juz keep checkin’ on the toast JC, I dun want it to burn.
    Get it wrong & you’re not sacked.
    (Why would I not fire your ass, when I sacked the other bloke – what could the difference be? – That’s your homework. Try to figure out a rational answer.)

  112. jupes

    Recall how you denied this, you zero integrity dickhead.

    How’s that for a bit of nostalgia?

    Back in those days Mk50 was very well respected at the Cat as can be seen by the number of people defending him. However I don’t think he ever recovered from it and it was all downhill from there.

    His “heavy lifters” post was the undignified end for the gormless tosser.

  113. DrBeauGan

    Jupes, are you still in frogland?

    I can buy fake Cohiba robustos for $3 a stick. They are not quite as good as the genuine article but they are very good cigars. Is there a market for them?

  114. Tom

    Apart from Trump, AJ and Mudrock, leftards like Peter Broelman invariably have mental breakdowns about Pauline Hanson.

  115. Tom

    According to David Rowe, Australia and Trump’s America are terrorist nations. It’s got me buggered how the anti-business daily still has any readers at all.

  116. DrBeauGan

    Thanks, Tom. I too wonder who buys that rag. I bought it for a week to see if it had anything interesting in if. Not much, and certainly not Rowe.

  117. jupes

    Jupes, are you still in frogland?

    Yeah not for much longer though I suspect. Pretty expensive living here, the weathers changing for the worse and no one likes the French. Good wine but.

    I’ll check out the cigars but I haven’t seen anyone smoking them around town. Plenty of durries getting punched though.

  118. DrBeauGan

    Frog food and wine are terrific, but they take themselves too seriously in too many cases.

  119. DrBeauGan

    The ordinary frogs are OK in my limited experience. The problem is with the intellectuals and self-styled elites. But that’s world wide these days.

    It’s not as if the intellectuals have much intellect or the elites are particularly elite. The distinguishing feature is that they are up themselves and lack common sense.

  120. bespoke

    Some context on Identity Politics.

  121. jupes

    Of course many ordinary Frogs are okay, but there would be more arrogant bastards per head of population than in an equivalent sized town in the Anglosphere I reckon.

    Plus they have weird habits. The men urinate in the streets, they shut their shops at odd hours and they haven’t a clue about coffee. Even their traffic lights are starting to give me the shits, why don’t they put them on the other side of the crossing so you don’t have to look sideways to see the change?

  122. stackja

    Australian universities reputations?
    Meanwhile:

    What Will They Learn at College?
    Walter E. Williams |

    For many parents, August is a month of both pride and tears. Pride because their teenager is taking that big educational step and tears because for many it’s the beginning of an empty nest. Yet, there’s a going-away-to-college question that far too few parents ask or even contemplate: What will my youngster learn in college?

    ..

    Colleges often do not live up to their own promises. In college mission statements, as well as their course catalogs, they frequently exalt the virtues of a “well-rounded” liberal arts education. The reality is something different with only 68% of the schools ACTA surveyed requiring three or fewer of the seven core subjects. Their curricula poorly represent critical subjects such as U.S. history, economics and foreign languages.

    The list of schools that received ACTA’s “A” grades includes Pepperdine and Baylor, known for their commitment to the liberal arts and academic excellence. But there are some lesser-known colleges such as Christopher Newport University, Colorado Christian University, Kennesaw State University, Bluefield College and Regent University that deserve accolades.

    ..

    ACTA’s “F” list includes prestigious names such as University of California, Berkeley, Bowdoin, Hamilton and Vassar colleges. Ivy League colleges received ACTA’s two “Bs,” four “Cs,” one “D” and one “F.” These grades reflect significant overall curricular weaknesses. For example, Yale doesn’t require college-level math courses; Harvard accepts an elementary-level foreign language study; and Brown has an “open curriculum,” which means students may take whatever classes they want, without strict requirements. Even though some of the best-known colleges earn poor marks for their general education curricula, it doesn’t necessarily mean they do all things poorly. A student can get an excellent education at these schools if classes are chosen wisely.

    There’s another college-related issue not given much voice and that’s how important is a college education in the first place. That’s an issue raised by a Market Watch article, “Half of young Americans say their degree is irrelevant to their work.”

    Parents think a college education is necessary for success. Their youngsters think differently. According to the TD Ameritrade study, 49% of young millennials said their degree was “very or somewhat unimportant” to their current job. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in an October 2018 report, found that many students are underemployed, filling jobs that can be done with a high school education. More than one-third of currently working college graduates are in jobs that do not require a degree, such as flight attendants, janitors and salesmen.

    The bottom line for parents and their youngsters is that spending four or more years in college and accumulating tens of thousands of dollars in debt is not the only road to a successful life.

  123. stackja

    Tim Blair: How to lose a leader in 10 days
    Credit where it’s due. NSW Liberal premiers keep finding new and thrilling ways to end or endanger their political careers.

    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    5 minutes ago

    Credit where it’s due. NSW Liberal premiers keep finding new and thrilling ways to
    end or endanger their political careers.

    While federal politicians rely entirely on climate change to deliver their political doom — Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, Malcolm Turnbull (twice) and Bill Shorten all took that particular path — NSW Liberals are far more original and daring.

    Barry O’Farrell was taken down by a bottle of Grange Hermitage. Mike Baird quit after an attempt to ban greyhound racing reset his polling to zero.

    And now Gladys Berejiklian has conjured a potential abortion ouster.

    The Premier’s ride to possible ruin began in early March, when oddball independent MP Alex Greenwich announced he was planning to introduce a bill to decriminalise abortion.

  124. DrBeauGan

    there would be more arrogant bastards per head of population than in an equivalent sized town in the Anglosphere I reckon.

    I reckon it’s a cultural inferiority complex, Jupes. They know they have been beaten by the Anglos in just about everything except wine and cooking. If isn’t enough for the snobby types.

    And they are losing the superiority in cooking. Partly because they don’t value it as much as bad philosophy. Which shows bloody awful judgment.

  125. 1735099

    STATEMENT FROM ARCHBISHOP MARK COLERIDGE, PRESIDENT OF THE AUSTRALIAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE

    The Victorian Court of Appeal has today announced that, in a 2-1 decision, Cardinal George Pell’s appeal against his convictions for child sexual abuse offences has been dismissed.

    The Catholic Bishops of Australia believe all Australians must be equal under the law and accept today’s judgement accordingly.

    Cardinal Pell’s legal team has said it will examine the judgement in order to determine a special leave application to the High Court.

    The Bishops realise that this has been and remains a most difficult time for survivors of child sexual abuse and those who support them. We acknowledge the pain that those abused by clergy have experienced through the long process of the trials and appeal of Cardinal Pell. We also acknowledge that this judgement will be distressing to many people.

    We remain committed to doing everything we can to bring healing to those who have suffered greatly and to ensuring that Catholic settings are the safest possible places for all people, but especially for children and vulnerable adults.

    August 21, 2019

  126. Herodotus

    The French? They eat horses, don’t they?

  127. Old School Conservative

    Hydra
    #3137695, posted on August 22, 2019 at 1:00 am
    As has been explained many times on the Cat, external auditors role is not to pick up fraud.

    Thanks Hydra, I didn’t know that.
    SLS is where I have put many hours over the years and I’m cranky.

  128. lotocoti

    Speaking of the French, today is the 105th anniversary of the deadliest single day in French military history.
    On the 22nd of August, 1914, well before the Western Front became a morass of mud and barbed wire, 27,000 Poilu in their fashionable blue and red uniforms were killed in the fields and forests of Northern France.

  129. Herodotus

    Gun control the vital element of dictatorships: via American Thinker.

    Link

  130. DrBeauGan

    The French? They eat horses, don’t they?

    Yes, but the sauces are delicious.

    Or as the French say, sauces for horses.

  131. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent piece by Paul Collits on VicPol’s hierarchy in Quadrant Online.

    In my humble view it doesn’t quite go far enough, but points are well made. These cocks have been clinging on to the same or similar positions for years, shifting sideways rather than up (in general terms) and busily working out how to stay outside the ‘danger zone’ of contract non-renewal by cuddling up to the cavalcade of all-singing, all-dancing incompetence that has disgraced that organisation’s top two rungs for the past 25 years at least.

    Collits calls them a cabal, and he’s right. Endlessly pumping each other’s tyres up and making sure actual policemen who know what’s going on (see Charlie Bezzina, Ron Iddles et al) are sidelined or otherwise moved on lest they show up some of the company directors that masquerade as high-ranking police.

    This petri dish of smegma point to their ‘experience’ on their CVs as evidence of their aptitude, particularly as investigators. As an example, Neil Comrie aka The Skunk (named for his flash of white at the front of his otherwise Grecian 2000d head) vaunted himself as a veteran of the Armed Robbery Squad – who, albeit feared and had a particular mindset that let them get the job done, were also very, very good investigators.

    Comrie was heavily sponsored on his way up, and spent two years gazetted there. Of that, 3/4 was long service leave, and the other gentlemen there quickly twigged that he was a twit and rarely let him out of the office. He now, much like Nixon, spends his time reviewing other police forces’ policies and procedures for squillions of dollars.

    They’re not cops. They’re snivelling accountants with badges.

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    Quality tete a tete last night in relation to toast, may I say.

    Well done those men.

  133. Knuckle Dragger

    *tap tap tap*

    Is this thing on?

  134. Tel

    According to David Rowe, Australia and Trump’s America are terrorist nations. It’s got me buggered how the anti-business daily still has any readers at all.

    The JCPOA was scuttled by the US Senate, not by Trump. It’s kind of pointless trying to explain to people like Rowe of course.

    There’s a “Treaty Clause” in the US Constitution, the President can propose a treaty (make a plan of action if you like) but only the US Senate can approve the treaty, and Obama illegally barged ahead without Senate approval. That “deal” was signed by Obama as a person, not signed by the POTUS, because the President does not have the capacity to sign treaties. The USA is a Republic.

    Trump was simply following the law.

    Mind you on the Yemen issue, Trump claims to have vetoed the US Congress even though that would imply that Obama and Trump must have declared war on Yemen without Congress. They hide behind the fact that US troops are not directly involved, but anyone who knows the history of war would regard a naval blockade as an act of war.

  135. notafan

    If someone is suffering ‘pre natal depression’ was that a formal diagnosis? how can you be sure an abortion would cure the depression?

    Seems bizarre to me.

  136. Tel

    Quality tete a tete last night in relation to toast, may I say.

    I remember those old chain drive toasters, every two-bit motel up and down the coast used to have one. Any place I can afford to stay at, would be unlikely to allocate much marginal extra expense for a chain drive toaster. They usually made the guests put their own bread through … which is OK because at least when the toast comes out it’s still hot.

    They seem to have fallen out of fashion … you don’t see them as much as you used to.

    Speaking of doing repairs or buying replacement parts … I’ve seen chef type people buying an armful of teflon frying pans when they are on special in the cheap shops. I’m sure they consider them consumable items and grab a new one when the surface gets scratched. Well pop-up toasters are into the same territory now, a basic home toaster is $30 while a nominally “commercial” toaster is more like $500 and if the cheap toaster only lasts 6 months you are still better off buying that. The expensive toaster would need to run for something like 10 years straight without a single repair or maintenance cost, after you consider the cost of the additional capital expense plus interest, etc.

  137. Boambee John

    I see that the seagull is still posting links to Steve Bell.

    DO NOT follow the link. My office provided the Grauniad when I was in London in tbe 1980s. Even then he was completely off the planet. The twin elections and re-elections of Maggie T and Reagan had warped his mind and sent him down a slippery slide into hatred and fear.

  138. Tel

    Precisely!
    You have no standards, you’re sloppy & negligent, you don’t have an eye for detail.
    Sort of the opposite of how I run my show. I wish you’d start a business nearby, I could do with looking even better than I do already.

    There’s nothing worse than burnt toast.

    That reminds me, a typical toaster has a dial for how dark you want it, where a 3 is about right for bread and a setting of 5 is sufficient to set fire to a soggy crumpet … but the dial goes right up to 9 or 10 on most models. What’s the idea of that?

  139. Old School Conservative

    This petri dish of smegma

    Had to look this up.
    On a day of gloom and despair, it made me laugh. On ya KD.

  140. Leigh Lowe

    Quality tete a tete last night in relation to toast, may I say.

    Modern toasters are shit.
    They all have 5 star energy ratings which really means they make warm bread, not toast.
    I bought one recently which has no such ratings and has a fan inside.
    Works a treat.

  141. Knuckle Dragger

    A fan forced toaster?

    Surely not.

    Then again we did put a man on the moon.

    Or……. Did we?

  142. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    On a day of gloom and despair, it made me laugh.

    Why is it such a day, OSC?
    Not bad personal news, I hope.

  143. cohenite

    Herodotus

    #3137794, posted on August 22, 2019 at 7:06 am

    Gun control the vital element of dictatorships: via American Thinker.

    Link

    The philosophical, even existential justification for owning a gun, a la 2nd Amendment is not an argument I use when supporting gun ownership, even though it is valid. What resonates with the media types I talk to is the inability of police to protect citizens plus the lack of legal obligation of police to protect individual citizens even if they can and the issue of whether citizens even have a right to defend themselves. Once you get anyone to agree, and who, apart from an idiot, would disagree with the proposition that a citizen has the right to defend themselves (although the hunchback and fatty ashton espoused this view in the context of the sud gangs), the rest of the argument to justify gun ownership flows.

    All the left can muster, like the resident troll, is that even if a citizen is solid and therefore has no mental background precluding gun ownership, you never know when someone will snap and start firing. It’s a dumb argument but essentially what the troll and left are saying is merely a restatement of their base position which is they are superior and every other citizen who isn’t them is inferior and cannot be trusted with rights.

    The left including the resident troll really think they are superior. That in a nutshell is their position; all the crap flows from that grotesque self evaluation.

  144. cohenite

    One of the Hemsworths has regained some sense:

    Liam is “over the marriage” and just wants to move on, TMZ said, adding that Miley supposedly made overtures as recently as this week, saying she wanted to work on the marriage. Liam, however, was ready for it to simply be done.

    Now we need c.nt struck harry to wake up and boot that skank he’s married to. Fat chance.

  145. Top Ender

    A fan forced toaster? Surely not.
    Then again we did put a man on the moon.

    Fan-forced toasters can easily put a man into orbit.

    Three can send a man to the moon.

    The Apollos had none each.

    Obviously.

    Everyone knows this.

  146. Top Ender

    The Apollos had nine each.

    Obviously!

  147. Old School Conservative

    Peter, nothing personal and thanks for asking.
    Just a series of blows from Australian society:
    very disappointed with the Pell decision;
    found out that surf life saving (dear to my heart) has been ripped off by a trusted CEO to the tune of about $3 million;
    and topped off with the increasing wokeness of Rugby – World Rugby has taken a gender neutral approach to the Rugby World Cup, with both the Mens and Womens World Cups being simply known as The Rugby World Cup moving forward.

    Sport being the opiate of the masses, this member of the masses is finding his opium very poor quality.

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    World’s highest rubbish tip goes green.

    Everest region bans single-use plastic

    Single-use plastics have been banned in the Everest region to reduce the vast amounts of waste left by trekkers and mountaineers, Nepali authorities said Thursday.

    In addition to seeing a record number of climbers this year, a government-led cleaning initiative on Everest—the world’s highest mountain—also collected over 10 tonnes of trash.

    Six years ago, Nepal introduced a US$4,000 deposit per team of climbers on Everest that would be refunded if each climber brought down at least eight kilos (18 pounds) of waste, but only half of the climbers return with the required amount.

    Maybe they can also recycle the coffins some climbers return in.

  149. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Okay,thanks for that, OSC.

  150. struth

    Good Moaning.
    You have to be careful with Chain driven toasters in hotel restaurants in the morning.
    Especially if there are Asians about.
    They don’t believe in lining up and you look down and somehow three have squeezed in between you and the toaster.
    I was at the gate of Buckingham palace waiting for the march out.
    Right up the font.
    Or so I thought, until I looked down.
    Black haired heads everywhere.
    I think that most restaurants realise the real possibility of murder o manslaughter, in their very restaurant when a big Aussie who hasn’t had his coffee yet, starts throwing nips all over the place, just to get to the chain toaster.

  151. struth

    The French and the Germans all have inferiority complexes that they are over compensating for.
    Chips on their shoulders because they are not British.

  152. Bear Necessities

    One of the Hemsworths has regained some sense:

    Liam is “over the marriage” and just wants to move on, TMZ said, adding that Miley supposedly made overtures as recently as this week, saying she wanted to work on the marriage. Liam, however, was ready for it to simply be done.

    Now we need c.nt struck harry to wake up and boot that skank he’s married to. Fat chance

    Luckily William has at the moment seem to have chosen well in marrying Kate Middleton. Yes she had great ambitions to marry William and to one day become Queen, but at least her ambition matches knowing her place in the scheme of things. You want the heir to have a wife/husband to know their place.

  153. Johno

    A toaster needs 3 settings. 1.raisin toast. 2. Bread. 3.Crumpet.

  154. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    A toaster should have some crumpet to operate it.

  155. struth

    Europe will never be any good at anything until they start heating their food at breakfast.

    FMD.
    A cold piece of cheese in a cold bread roll and off to work.
    It’s a wonder their suicide rate isn’t worse.

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Bear Necessities

    #3137897, posted on August 22, 2019 at 9:04 am

    Who the hell are these people?
    The Liam Hunkworth and Smiley Virus who apparently were briefly married?

  157. Roger

    Collits calls them a cabal, and he’s right. Endlessly pumping each other’s tyres up and making sure actual policemen who know what’s going on (see Charlie Bezzina, Ron Iddles et al) are sidelined or otherwise moved on lest they show up some of the company directors that masquerade as high-ranking police.

    Hot Fuzz!

  158. struth

    German bakeries don’t have hot products usually.
    What an utter disappointment was that discovery.
    The best bakeries in Australia are found in the Mendicant state of SA, and often the credit to these holy places is given to German Immigration.
    Without a bloody meat pie, pastie, sausage rolls etc, the Germans may make good buns, but let’s not forget our own hot food pork pie tradition that is the real winner here.
    ……Now I’m getting worked up, and hungry.

  159. Bear Necessities

    Bear Necessities

    #3137897, posted on August 22, 2019 at 9:04 am

    Who the hell are these people?
    The Liam Hunkworth and Smiley Virus who apparently were briefly married?

    I think that’s a question they should ask themselves. If they can’t answer that question then they are in a whole heap of trouble for the rest of their existences.

  160. Roger

    The best bakeries in Australia are found in the Mendicant state of SA, and often the credit to these holy places is given to German Immigration.

    Cornish & other Brits, I think.

    The S.A. Germans do have kuchen, though.

  161. DrBeauGan

    Chips on their shoulders because they are not British.

    Hell, they’re not even American.

  162. The ordinary frogs are OK in my limited experience. The problem is with the intellectuals and self-styled elites.

    I thought they got rid of them in the French Revolution?
    Did they import some new ones?

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Finding his opium very poor quality’

    Got a shit batch OSC. You need to sort it, otherwise your dealer will walk all over you in future.

    Go round to his place with a couple of hard, pipe-hitting ni99ers.

    Get your original cash back, plus a fresh batch, plus a bit more for your time. Then tell him to test it on himself first, or he’ll be testing it anyway with a broken arm.

    If it doesn’t tinge light brown – only round the edges, mind – in the spoon as it liquefied under heat, it’s shit. In that case break both his thumbs and take the rest of his cash for the inconvenience.

    Keep your cred. At all costs.

  164. Mother Lode

    I expect you will find the fan-forced toaster technology is actually alien in origin – likely from Area 51. Perhaps part of the original wreckage from Roswell.

    You would have to have something like that to make travelling lightyears from your home world bearable.

  165. Tom

    The American Thinker essay Herodotus linked to at 7.06am is a must-read if you’re interested in the second civil war the American left is currently trying to foment:

    … the growing number of “John Brown Gun Clubs” around the country … cater to fanatical leftists who learn to shoot, and train to varying degrees to serve as the civilian vigilante arm of the left. Unlike normal Americans, who are motivated to defend themselves from irrational lunatics, these gun owners are training as an offensive force for the overthrow of capitalism and democratic republicanism. So, how might this develop?

    Democrats will again weaponize information, this time publishing names and addresses of gun owners and urging indoctrinated radicals, backed by complicit politicians, to go to those homes and do whatever they feel is necessary to make the locality “safe.” This will be intended to cause gun owners to question whether gun ownership, and the assault on them and their families, is worth the terror the fascists will cause.

    As the Left stokes the cultivated emotionalism of its unstable followers and urges them to greater acts of unpunished violence against innocents, the threshold will eventually be crossed. As the propagandists scream then for even more violence, and more “control,” those who own guns will be reminded why they have them, and their resolve will deepen. The question then will be how far the Left is prepared to go to usher in the next fascist socialist utopia. They know how much easier this will all be if the guns are taken first.

    Authoritarians have always understood that gun control is political control, which is why they don’t practice it against their own supporters. Gun control is for political enemies, and both precedes and hastens the eventual purge necessary to dictatorship. It really is that simple.

  166. mh

    More bullying from the Hollywood bitches

    Bette Midler
    @BetteMidler
    A poem from Melania:

    Each day I’m filled with the hope
    That #Donald won’t be such a Dope
    So I get on my knees
    And say vip it out plise
    As I reach for my new microscope.

  167. Mother Lode

    Single-use plastics have been banned in the Everest region to reduce the vast amounts of waste left by trekkers

    Trekkers? The Nepalese government is full of shit.

    I have seen those freaks who are obsessed with Star Trek. I would be very surprised if any of them were able to waddle up to the second floor of a shopping mall without an escalator and the certainty there is a Maccas up there to keep them focused.

  168. Dr Faustus

    …but let’s not forget our own hot food pork pie tradition that is the real winner here.

    Only a Satanist would have a hot pork pie tradition.
    They are always served cold, with the pastry greasy and jelly intact.

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    ‘Chantal’ of course is the spawn of man made global warming. The oldest plot in the book, the forces of goodness versus those of evil. In this nihilistic age I say, “Go Chantal!”

    3,000 miles long #ZeroCarbon journey
    Greta Thunberg is “heading” to the Tropical Storm Chantal

  170. DrBeauGan

    The ordinary frogs are OK in my limited experience. The problem is with the intellectuals and self-styled elites.

    I thought they got rid of them in the French Revolution?
    Did they import some new ones?

    They’re like nits. They just keep coming back.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    Pub footy tipping is going down to the wire.

    I am on 123 along with Jock. One bloke who goes by the name of Santa (big fat bastard, white beard) is on 124.

    Kristy, one of the bar chickies (illegally coached by Santa btw) is on 125, along with some muppet who actually put his correct first and last names on the board. Clearly, he is some sort of tool and to be regarded as such.

    McAvaney: ‘Geez, you just get the feeling that if KD got 9/9 this weekend and the others all got two, he’d be right back in it.’

  172. Roger

    The ordinary frogs are OK in my limited experience. The problem is with the intellectuals and self-styled elites.

    I thought they got rid of them in the French Revolution?
    Did they import some new ones?

    Yes, beginning with a little Corsican who managed to have himself crowned emperor.

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    Apparently Star Trek cosplay outfits start at 7XL and go right up to muumuu.

  174. Dr Faustus

    In Double-Pike and Twist news:

    Queensland Labor to change its official platform in coal-friendly revamp

    Queensland Labor is set to endorse a change to its official platform to become more coal friendly, asserting the party’s support for the mining industry as it seeks to reconnect with regional and blue-collar voters.

    Like uranium; OK for other people – just not us…

  175. Mother Lode

    Apparently Star Trek cosplay outfits start at 7XL and go right up to muumuu.

    If they were honest they would wrap themselves round in bedsheets like these and turn up to conventions as planets.

  176. John Constantine

    Green electricity and the ira.

    New bombing campaign in Northern Ireland aimed at murdering coppers for just going to work seems to be linked to the new troubles over who gets to run the ruinables electricity Rort.

    It is almost like they are just turnbullites posing as revolutionaries.

  177. Roger

    In Double-Pike and Twist news:

    That’s a 10/10 for Jackie.

  178. mh

    Wilbur Ross: American workers are winning

    FOXBusinessPublished August 19, 2019

    There is a significant body of evidence showing that the U.S. economy is strong. The U.S. economy has added millions of jobs, and even long-neglected sectors like manufacturing are having a resurgence.

    Among the continuous good economic news, wage growth for America’s workers has taken center stage. For the first time since 2009, year over year nominal hourly wage growth met or surpassed 3 percent under the Trump Administration. Wages have continued to do so for 12 months, even as inflation stayed below the Federal Reserve’s target 2.0 percent. Not only are wages growing but the slow growth in consumer prices means that American workers’ dollars are going farther. It is no wonder consumer confidence surged in July as consumers became more optimistic about their current situation and future economic prospects.

    Buried beneath all of this great news is the recovery of another important measure of worker health from the lows of the Obama Administration.

    On July 26, 2019, the U.S. Department of Commerce released an estimate of second-quarter GDP and updates to GDP since 2014. The U.S. grew a better than expected 2.1 percent annual rate in Q2 and annual revisions showed higher levels of real disposable income and consumer spending in the first two years of the Trump Administration.

    In addition to all of this great news, the Department released updated data on the portion of corporate production costs that goes to employee compensation. In other words, this complex data outlines how much of the cost of production by companies go to employees in the form of wages and salaries and other employee benefits. The higher the percentage that goes to compensation, the more employees join in the benefits of their employer’s success. When the ratio is higher, that means that as companies produce more, their workers make more. When the ratio is low, workers are more separated from the results of their work.

    Luckily for America’s workers, the Trump Administration has strengthened this important metric. Under the Obama Administration, compensation as a share of production cost hit the lowest level on record, bottoming out in the third quarter of 2014. As compensation fell as a share of corporate production costs, corporate profits’ continued to rise and hit a post-recession maximum in the third and fourth quarters of 2014, the same time as worker compensation as a share of costs hit a record low.

    Since then, worker compensation as a share of production costs has rebounded, hitting the highest level in the first quarter of 2019 since 2009. America’s workers are enjoying a larger share of their employers’ success, and benefitting more from the work they do and the goods they produce. This Administration’s policies have created a historically strong job market, which has been fundamental in the growth of compensation share since the election. Ensuring that American workers continue to receive their fair share will continue to be a top priority.

    Contrary to misleading arguments that the President’s policies are not benefitting workers, this data shows that it is the average American workers who are gaining from the country’s broader economic success. Unlike during the Obama Administration, where anti-business policies squeezed corporations and left American workers out of the economic recovery, U.S. workers are now enjoying the fruits of their labor at the highest levels in 10 years.

    Tax cuts, deregulation, and an Administration dedicated to growing business have allowed the U.S. economy to flourish. The resulting surge in job creation and record low unemployment has put the American worker in the driver’s seat. Because of President Trump’s policies, American companies and their workers are succeeding together.

    Wilbur Ross, U.S. Secretary of Commerce

  179. struth

    Only a Satanist would have a hot pork pie tradition.
    They are always served cold, with the pastry greasy and jelly intact.

    No try it, go on, just one bite………………..hiss……………….

  180. Tom

    Pub footy tipping is going down to the wire.

    KD, here’s a tip to get one back on the pursuing horde: the T-train Blues to beat the milk-drinking Cats at Pussy Park on Saturday.

    The Cats fans couldn’t care less — the three flags this century are enough for them. They’ll still be chanting GEE-long *clap clap clap* as their players leave the ground, win, lose or draw.

  181. Top Ender

    Sky News Australia
    ·
    #BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse.

  182. Knuckle Dragger

    Done just that, Tom.

    I like the cut of their job now the work experience kid’s now cutting up kebab meat for a living at Abdul’s Halalafel Emporium.

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    *jib*

    Jib jib jib.

  184. DrBeauGan

    #BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse.

    This is just another damn fool gesture to signal that she’s on the side of the victims.

    I loathe our politicians. They are so stupid and empty of any genuine feelings.

  185. Mother Lode

    Jib jib jib.

    Job job job.

    That is a scout thing, isn’t it?

  186. #BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse.

    Which wonderkid in the ALP staff had this idea?
    Done purely to get the heat off the most ineffective Premier in Australia.

  187. cohenite

    The left have produced a pseudo Simpson’s cartoon where the squad beat up the Trump.

    The right really have to start fighting fire with fire; act left, think right
    ™ .

  188. Oh come on

    Seen over at Insty:

    Gwyneth Paltrow Hired a Personal Book Curator—Here’s What He Chose For Her Shelves*

    Think on that a second. This Hollywood airhead paid someone – probably a fortune – to stock her bookshelves? I’m trying to think of a more effective way to shout your lowbrow literary bona fides to the world and coming up with nothing.

    Link to article not added because who cares

  189. Oh come on

    Bette Midler
    @BetteMidler
    A poem from Melania:

    Each day I’m filled with the hope
    That #Donald won’t be such a Dope
    So I get on my knees
    And say vip it out plise
    As I reach for my new microscope.

    Midler clearly needs a personal book creator to broaden her shabby literary horizons.

  190. Top Ender

    For those interested in Fleetwood Mac without Lindsay Buckingham – not me – a review of a concert from their current Oz tour…

    Older, bolder and still going their own way
    ANDREW McMILLEN

    Fleetwood Mac is back in classic style and with a refreshed line-up

    Since it began as a British rock band in 1967, Fleetwood Mac has undergone 19 iterations while steadily adding Americans and, most recently, a New Zealander to its line-up. Its only remaining founding member is drummer Mick Fleetwood, who recently described each version of the group as “incredibly different musical episodes in this Shakespearean play we blundered into”.

    Whether at work, at play, at each others’ throats or at risk of dying young from excessive drug consumption, this group of artists has produced some of the finest songs in popular music, which is why tickets to these tours continue to sell at premium prices, and why audiences continue to show up by the tens of thousands.

    Few albums in rock ’n’ roll history have sold more copies — or prompted more commentary about the unique interpersonal dynamics that surrounded its creation — than 1977’s Rumours. Towards the end of the year of its release, the group — Fleetwood, singer Stevie Nicks, singer-guitarist Lindsey Buckingham, singerkeyboardist Christine McVie and bassist John McVie — visited Australia for a tour named Rockarena, on a bill that also featured Santana and Little River Band.

    As documented in Iain Shedden’s 2010 biography of promoter Michael Chugg, the instruction from the band’s Los Angeles headquarters before its arrival was this: “The promoter’s rep will meet the band’s tour manager in the car park of Sydney Airport with two ounces of cocaine.”

    On stage at each show were two tents with card tables laden with powder-filled Heineken bottle tops pushed together to form capsules. “During the performance, each of the band in turn would wander off to get a little card table action,” Chugg recalled. “All of them except drummer Fleetwood. His needs were somewhat greater than those of his colleagues, so he had his own card table within arm’s reach just behind him.”

    Such indulgence is not necessarily conducive to longevity. Thankfully, all five of the musicians who appeared on that tour 42 years ago are still with us, though Buckingham no longer is with the band. His sacking was announced in April last year, prompting acrimony — with this band, was there any other way? — followed by lawyerly interventions and an eventual settlement.

    Taking his place as lead vocalist for the band’s current Australian tour is Neil Finn, while the bulk of Buckingham’s lead guitar work is handled by Mike Campbell. Both are familiar and comfortable with playing arenas, with their acts Split Enz and Crowded House, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, respectively.

    Personnel changes aside, the chief challenge of writing hit songs in your 20s and 30s is figuring out how to carry those arrangements into your 60s and 70s with energy and vitality. Only fools would expect facsimiles of the original recordings from a hard-living act with this many kilometres on its collective odometer, yet to its credit Fleetwood Mac shoulders that weight of history without much of a struggle.

    Whether through technical issues or some other unseen force, though, the opening salvo at the first of three shows at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre on Tuesday night failed to connect.

    What was intended to be a walloping opening combination of three of its most popular songs in The Chain, Little Lies and Dreams instead came across as sluggish and wayward.

    From that underwhelming point, however, the six main players — backed by another keyboardist, guitarist, percussionist and two back-up singers — gathered a momentum that continued for more than two hours. The first truly beautiful moment was Christine McVie’s Everywhere, whose stacked vocal harmonies in the chorus perfectly exemplified the classic sound that endeared this group to millions of fans.

    There is no escaping the fact Nicks’s voice has changed in the years since she laid down the evocative chorus to Rhiannon, but what she lacks in a higher register is covered by the extraordinary tones she still coaxes from the middle and lower end of her range. Towards the end of the 21-song set list she performed Gold Dust Woman with a sincerity that was mesmerising.

    The abundance of musicians on stage meant that some of the band’s most layered songs were overwhelmed by a busy mix. This was most apparent on Go Your Own Way, which was dominated by acoustic guitar and percussion, burying John McVie’s bass. It was only halfway through that Campbell’s lead parts were pushed to the fore, allowing the song — and the set — to end on a high, with he and Finn locking into an extended jam before the drummer brought it to a thumping close.

    With his rock-dog persona Campbell, wearing his uniform of black hat and sunglasses, fits right into this group of weirdo outsiders who somehow ended up, despite themselves, at the centre of popular culture. Before the second song finished, he had played three guitars; by set’s end, that number had reached double figures. His playing covered Buckingham’s exhaustingly diverse range of techniques, styles and parts, while his fellow newcomer was allowed to take a few leads, too.

    Finn’s addition to the group has been of particular interest to this part of the world, with the sheer curiosity of the Crowded House frontman being sucked into the machinations of this rock institution perhaps providing reason enough to convince a few fence-sitters to open their wallets to see how he performs on this tour. The Kiwi rose to the occasion with aplomb, alternating between the spotlight and stepping back as needed. As well, he was at the centre of two towering mid-set highlights.

    With an acoustic guitar in hand and backed by the gentle playing of a keyboardist and percussionist, he sang his 1986 hit Don’t Dream It’s Over, prompting phone torches held aloft throughout the arena. Nicks joined him for the final verse and chorus, then told him a song like that came along only once in a lifetime. “So good one, Neil,” she said. “Now I’ve got to try to follow that.”

    She then bested him, as only Nicks could do, with the cutting beauty of 1975’s Landslide, featuring Finn beside her on acoustic guitar. Her timeless song about the passage of time takes on more meaning and pathos with each passing year. When one of the most remarkable voices in music history sang those lines — “But time makes you bolder, even children get older / And I’m getting older too” — at 71 years, the result was a poetic resonance that surely would have made Shakespeare shed a tear, too.

    Fleetwood Mac’s tour continues in Brisbane (tonight and Saturday), followed by Sydney and Melbourne.

    Print edition Oz

  191. Some History

    Their Mothers Chose Donor Sperm. The Doctors Used Their Own.

    Scores of people born through artificial insemination have learned from DNA tests that their biological fathers were the doctors who performed the procedure.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/health/sperm-donors-fraud-doctors.html

  192. Mother Lode

    The left have produced a pseudo Simpson’s cartoon where the squad beat up the Trump.

    I expect that within a few years the Squad will be a memory. They don’t actually have very much, and what they do have will lose its novelty value.

    FFS, the Simpsons clip is still doing the Wussia thing.

    I expect the Simpsons is fading rather fast too. The writers and voice actors would have enough money to retire on multiple times over. Maybe this is a way of finally killing the show while making it look like the problem was being too brave – rather than just tired.

  193. The left have produced a pseudo Simpson’s cartoon where the squad beat up the Trump.

    I’m picturing the headlines & outrage if it were the reverse.

  194. notafan

    Some history

    paywalled but well known I thought

    Law and order? did an episode where the doctor fathered over 50 surely based on a true story in New York? and there was a documentary on case in the US south where another did the same.

    Fascinating

  195. Dr Faustus

    #BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse.

    #OLDNEWS: Low-wattage Annastacia Palaszczuk thrashing around in the long grass with conflict of interest allegations raging against her CoS, Ernst&Young, and Trad the Impaler.

    The Pell Distraction. Look over there – a Catholic…

  196. Some History

    UPDATE: Greta™

    Day 8. 42° 25’ N 39° 27’ W. At sea you really loose sense of time and you can’t separate the days. You sleep, eat, look at the ocean.

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1164255536239534080?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Greta™, there’s no need to be on the boat to get you to NYC. Elton Con has offered to pay for a private jet and the carbon toffsets (carbon “offsets” only affordable by the affluent).

    The world can also be spared a landing and take-off if Greta™ is willing to parachute into NYC.

  197. Mother Lode

    carbon “offsets” only affordable by the affluent

    Weird thing about Carbon Offsets – surely the virtuous thing would be to give money for planting trees and then not fly anyway.

    CO2 offsets are just a way rich people buy the right to live their lives of luxury while still appearing ‘relevant’ to their fan bases – so they can probably reclaim them on tax as a marketing expense.

  198. The Barking Toad

    Greta you genius – “lose” not “loose”

  199. struth

    BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel Premiers to break the seal of corruption and sack and report to police, staff and ministers who indulge in criminal activity, like tax theft .

  200. Top Ender

    At sea you really loose sense of time and you can’t separate the days.

    Surely that should be:

    At sea you loooose yaww dictioanaaary and you can’tt sepearatatea the days.

    Taking time off school does these things.

  201. Some History

    Peter Beattie to stand down as ARLC chairman

    Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie will stand down from his position in February and is expected to be replaced by NSW racing supremo Peter V’landys.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/peter-beattie-to-stand-down-as-arlc-chairman/news-story/e007a0d06dbe5f4325fb63b17fba2e71

  202. Some History

    From Big Aviation

    Qantas profit falls on higher fuel costs, weak domestic travel

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/qantas-profit-falls-on-higher-fuel-costs-weak-domestic-travel-20190821-p52jho.html

    The toxic leperchaun did not mention the possible upcoming Greta™ effect on “evil” Big Aviation.

  203. Snoopy

    Done purely to get the heat off the most ineffective Premier in Australia

    Given all our premiers are dangerous fools, ‘most ineffective’ is a positive.

  204. struth

    BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report government corruption and taxpayer abuse.

    BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which go against freedom of religion laws on the back of the Pell stitch up because they’re filthy christian hating socialists that would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report child sex abuse.

    Your government is you church and we shall tolerate no religion before us……………………………the totalitarian anti western ones are fine for a while……………………

    Comrades.

  205. Cardimona

    Socrates at the Pub
    #3137701, posted on August 22, 2019 at 1:14 am

    The Cairns Post is apparently a particularly scathing anti-Pauline article.
    Judging by the comments thread below their article, the Cairns Post is extremely out of touch with the mood of their readership.

    SatP, yep, the latest Cairns Post editor is a full-blown leftard yuckoid.
    She banned me from the letters column because I caught her “star reporter” red-handed making up non-news, which the editor printed as if it were true.
    Therefore the editor of the Cairns Post approves of fake news and disapproves of truth.

  206. Mark A

    notafan
    #3137819, posted on August 22, 2019 at 7:59 am

    If someone is suffering ‘pre natal depression’ was that a formal diagnosis? how can you be sure an abortion would cure the depression?

    Yes it was formal a diag.
    I’m not a doctor, I just thought being pregnant was a problem for her, so not being pregnant any more would’ve helped?

  207. cohenite

    Boy I’m sick of this; some maori retards claiming the Paramatta river because they have the first laws which over-rule every other law. This is all due to the left which has encouraged these losers to bludge off society.

    As a matter of interest I wonder which has the oldest and therefore most over ruleiest laws: the maoris or the aboriginals.

  208. Farmer Gez

    Tim Fischer has just died.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Farmer Gez

    #3138096, posted on August 22, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Tim Fischer has just died.

    Hit by a steam train???

  210. Leigh Lowe

    Some History

    #3138049, posted on August 22, 2019 at 11:36 am

    Peter Beattie to stand down as ARLC chairman

    The Cronulla Stingrays are said to be devastated by the news.

  211. John Constantine

    Four hundred and twenty dollars in fines for the illegal importation of twenty tonnes of pig meat into pig plague free Australia.

    They haven’t obviously stopped everything.

    32,000 pork products intercepted at the airport, but people told them about 87% of this.

    If pig plague hangs about the world long enough, the odds increase that it will be exposed to an australian pig.

    Reckon scraps have landed in australia already, but australian pig farms are quarantined against most exposure. Not quarantined against a drone dropping salami into a free range piggery though.

  212. Farmer Gez

    Leukaemia Leigh.
    He’s had it for ten years or so. Battled it out to the end as you would expect.

  213. Some History

    With zero credibility, he does persist. The Pirate’s prophesies.

    Wallabies still a big show in Japan despite drubbing

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/wallabies-still-a-big-show-in-japan-despite-drubbing-20190821-p52jf4.html

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Obituary: Tim Fischer, 1946-2019Dennis Shanahan

    3 minutes ago August 22, 2019
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    Tim Fischer was the most underrated politician of his era. He was the Boy from Boree Creek, the Man with the Hat, Two-minute Tim, the gangly tanglefoot at school, the unassuming conscript “Nasho” turned officer in the Vietnam War, the budding politician with a speech impediment, the devout Catholic in the wrong political party and the unassuming backbencher with a hidden, burning ambition.

    After politics he was an out-of-place farmer and steam-train enthusiast in the world of diplomacy who caused diplomats to cringe.

    Yet, while he was a national leader derided for being a hayseed who sometimes said stupid things, the contradictions and misconceptions misled the critics, and Fischer’s opponents, into underestimating him.

    Timothy Andrew Fischer was born on May 3, 1946, at Lockhart in south-western NSW near the family home and farm at Boree Creek to Ralph Fischer and Barbara Van Cooth. After a slow start at Xavier College in Melbourne, he showed a gift for words, turned conscription for National Service into a life-changing experience as a prize-winning officer who served with distinction in Vietnam — where he was wounded and contracted malaria — and served a total 26 years in the NSW and federal parliaments.

    Fischer was the first Catholic elected as a National NSW MP, he served as the party whip in NSW and as an Opposition frontbencher for nine years before being elected in the new federal seat of Farrer in the Riverina in 1984. He served in the House of Representatives for 17 years during which time he became the leader of the National Party (1990 to 1999) as well as the Minister for Trade and Deputy Prime Minister in the Howard Government from 1996 to 1999.

    In an era of leadership of instability for all political parties Fischer was elected “unexpectedly” as National Party leader to take the place of Charles Blunt, who had been defeated in the 1990 election. It was a time of crisis for the junior Coalition partner and yet Fischer reshaped and revived the party and remained as leader until he chose to retire from that role and as Deputy Prime Minister in 1999, with the Nationals restored and significant political victories to his credit.

    Former prime minister John Howard always acknowledged the key role Fischer and his deputy John Anderson played in passing Australia’s historic uniform national gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996.

    Regarded by his senior Coalition colleagues as an intuitive politician, Fischer worked closely with Howard as prime minister and Peter Costello as treasurer. Fischer left Howard and Costello to handle the details of policy decisions, but was prepared to lead the way for Nationals’ policy changes, defying those who said he would not last.

    Fischer also defied the political and media barbs directed at his bachelor status — he was 43 and single when he became leader — keeping his relationship with a younger Judy Brewer, also from a Victorian farming family and a National Party activist, private until he proposed to her in 1991. They married in 1992 and Fischer became a devoted father to two sons, Harrison and Dominic, although torn by the amount of travel he did as leader and Trade Minister.

  215. C.L.

    Vale, Tim Fischer.
    A good man, a returned combat serviceman, a quirky, late-married eccentric.

  216. C.L.

    I guess Fischer was the last combat returned serviceman (Vietnam) in the Parliament.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    Fischer was a very curious fella.

    Off his bonce about some stuff that was good and some stuff that was bad, but mostly righteous.

  218. Cohenite:

    Is there a group of bludgers or single bludger out there who is not trying to scam on the basis of cultural rights or alarmism; and is there one of them who is worth more than a wombat fart?

    Look, can I get back to you on this one?

  219. Some History

    Turns out that long-time associate helps the Pirate with his prophesies.

    https://imgur.com/TGQ4UY8

  220. duncanm

    Fischer was one of the good ones.

    turned conscription for National Service into a life-changing experience as a prize-winning officer who served with distinction in Vietnam

  221. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I guess Fischer was the last combat returned serviceman (Vietnam) in the Parliament.

    Tim Fischer retired in 2001, Graham Edwards (7RAR, second tour) represented Cowan until 2007.

  222. BrettW

    CL, Graham Edwards, who lost his legs to a mine, would have been the last Vietnam vet to have served, until 2007, as a MP. He was in 7 Battalion.

  223. Top Ender

    In Britain, Fisher would have been known as an “anorak” – the usually anorak-wearing people who write down locomotive numbers in railway stations and so on.

    There is a variant, more often seen in Oz and the USA, that hangs around the end of runways photographing aircraft.

    Tim Fisher however, even wrote a Big Boys’ Book on Trains.

  224. Johno

    What exactly is a prize winning officer?

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    So the Tiwi Bombers are one of the teams in the NTFL. They hail from the Tiwi Islands just north of Darwin, and have produced multiple Riolis and Longs for the VFL/AFL.

    Evidently they would like to have a ladeeeees’ team in the upcoming season.

    Which brings us to the back page headline in the NT News today:

    ‘TIWI BOMBERS WANT WOMEN’

    Well, duh.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Farmer Gez

    #3138106, posted on August 22, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    Leukaemia Leigh.
    He’s had it for ten years or so. Battled it out to the end as you would expect.

    I heard that yesterday Gez.
    My comment was just meant to be a gentle side-swipe at his obsession with trains.
    He had admitted that he had a problem with trains and was seeking help I understand.

  227. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3138112, posted on August 22, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    I guess Fischer was the last combat returned serviceman (Vietnam) in the Parliament.

    Has anyone checked with Spud about his respeck for a returned Vietnam comrade?

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