Tuesday Forum: August 20, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Has anyone checked with Spud about his respeck for a returned Vietnam comrade?

    Fellow Nasho and all that?

    FWIW, contrary to Number’s claimed experience, Tim Fischer stated that his local R.S.L. couldn’t do enough for Viet Nam veterans.

  2. Farmer Gez

    My comment was just meant to be a gentle side-swipe at his obsession with trains.

    I took it that way Leigh.
    I suspect Tim would enjoy the dig.

  3. Steve trickler

    There is a follow up.



  4. I see Australia just became a better place.

  5. 1735099

    Tim Fischer’s greatest achievement, amongst many, was his devotion and determination to provide the best possible quality of life for his son, Harrison.
    His resignation from politics was influenced strongly by Harrison’s diagnosis.
    With Judy, he achieved that for his son.

    Without his courageous support, Howard’s NFA would never have eventuated.
    His experiences on the two-way range were a factor in that support.

    Like many other Vietnam vets, he succumbed to blood cancer.
    Next week I’ll be attending the funeral of a fellow section mate who died of multiple myeloma.
    Like Tim, he was a Nasho.

    May they both rest in piece.
    Vietnam – The War that just keeps on killing.

  6. Roger

    As a matter of interest I wonder which has the oldest and therefore most over ruleiest laws: the maoris or the aboriginals.

    Aboriginals have recently upped the ante:

    They’ve been here not 40 000 years, not 60 000 years but forever.

    No further correspondence will be entered into.

  7. Johno

    Socrates, that is one hell of a low blow.

  8. bundyrum

    I wonder which trough Beattie is headed for next, the horrible sack of sh!t.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Vegan couple who forced their baby daughter to have a meat-free diet leaving her severely malnourished AVOID jail

    Parents of a malnourished toddler pleaded guilty to causing her serious injury
    At 19 months, the child weighed less than 5kg and looked like a three-month-old
    Child was fed a diet of oats and rice milk, and had no medical records after birth
    When police removed the child from her parents, she was suffering rickets

    Daily Mail.

  10. hzhousewife

    Tim Fischer’s Trains book is a masterpiece.

  11. Not Uh oh

    Johno
    #3138155, posted on August 22, 2019 at 1:29 pm
    Socrates, that is one hell of a low blow.

    Agreed.

  12. Knuckle Dragger

    Completely serious.

    Bob.

    Two weeks ago, you said you were going to a section mate’s funeral who’d died of multiple myeloma. In fact, you also said you’d pray for another poster who had an issue with your commentary, at your section mate’s funeral, the following day.

    Next week there’s apparently another funeral for one of your section mates who’d died of multiple myeloma.

    Serious question.

    Are there two funerals for your mate, or are there two section mates of yours who died of the same condition two weeks apart?

  13. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    One of P J W ‘s

    B E S T

    GRETA 🤡🌎

    I want you to panic.

  14. Socrates, that is one hell of a low blow.

    A very deserved one.
    I’ve not changed my stance in 23 years.

  15. Rohan

    National MP Keith Pitt has said that QLD should pull out of the NEM to ensure cheaper prices for the poeple of QLD.

    No problems mate, at the same time we should reduce your GST distribution from $1.09 in every dollar, back down to parity. Seems fair that other states shouldn’t have to prop up QLD in their hard earned taxes.

  16. Struth:

    BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report government corruption and taxpayer abuse.

    Anna, do you really want to go there?
    It looks like she does.
    Clueless.

  17. Mother Lode

    I’ve not changed my stance in 23 years.

    That is Numbers-esque.

  18. No problems mate, at the same time we should reduce your GST distribution from $1.09 in every dollar, back down to parity. Seems fair that other states shouldn’t have to prop up QLD in their hard earned taxes.

    If Qld stops throwing money down black holes (C’wealth games, & other ALP squanderfests) it’ll be a whole lot better off with only One dollar from every One dollar.
    At the same time, perhaps adopt the Canadian model for online purchases, the GST going to the state the purchaser is from, rather than the vendor.

  19. That is Numbers-esque.

    Nope.
    I’m prepared to change my mind if the facts change.
    Spot the difference?

  20. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    BREAKING: Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced the Queensland Government will introduce laws which would compel priests to break the seal of confession to report government corruption and taxpayer abuse.

    Yeah okay, how is this going to be enforceable?

    Oh I see. It was satire.

    GG.

  21. notafan

    Zulu

    That poor little girl, the damage they must have done

    Those vegans

  22. notafan

    KD

    are they both named Keith?

  23. Mother Lode

    What about psychologists and such ‘professionals’? Are they required to report any crimes they become aware of?

    Honestly don’t know.

  24. Yeah okay, how is this going to be enforceable?

    You’d know the answer, if you were unfortunate enough to have dealt with minutia that results from the brain farts of ALP govts.
    CCTV in every church, time & date stamped, (with facial recognition technology with that becomes workable).
    Every entry to confessional box must have an electronic recording of a govt. issued photo ID.
    & a few mystery shoppers to go confess to peter-filing – recording the whole thing on iphone or something.
    What could possibly go wrong?

  25. Infidel Tiger

    May they both rest in piece.
    Vietnam – The War that just keeps on killing.

    It’s crazy.

    Everyone who went their eventually dies. Even the tourists.

    We have to do something.

  26. Percy Popinjay

    Vegan couple who forced their baby daughter to have a meat-free diet leaving her severely malnourished AVOID jail

    Meanwhile, poor ol’ Pell languishes in gaol in that monstrous cesspit, Victoriastan.

    Anarcho-Tyranny, tops, innit?

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Vegan couple who forced their baby daughter to have a meat-free diet leaving her severely malnourished AVOID jail

    In a just world, those parents would be serving long prison sentences on the ultimate vegan diet – bread and water.

  28. Mother Lode

    I gather lawyers are not required to report crimes a client informs them of while in their employ? (*cough* Lawyer X *cough*) And law is their gig.

    Why would it be desirable that they cannot tell of a crime?

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    The girl’s mother and her entire family were committed vegans.

    Dad said he was ‘powerless’ to change Mum’s behaviour.

    Naturally, ‘Dad’ wears a ponytail and is either enough of an omega male to be constantly browbeaten by his vegan wife, or knew if he complained would be subject to a nookie ban until he stopped.

    Either way, he deserves to be beaten to death in the street.

  30. Kev

    Vietnam – The War that just keeps on killing.
    It’s age Numbers, we are just getting old.

  31. notafan

    KD

    notice mum was very slim but dad looked pretty fit and well covered

    and why the little girl and not the little boys?

  32. Cactus

    Infidel Tiger said

    It’s crazy.

    Everyone who went their eventually dies. Even the tourists.

    We have to do something.

    Ok – you now owe me one keyboard. Mine is full of coffee.

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    I see Australia just became a better place.

    Did he burn your toast Sal?

  34. Did he burn your toast Sal?

    Not if he knew what was good for him.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘are they both named Keith?’

    I really don’t know, nota. Names weren’t mentioned in Bob’s post.

    Apparently myeloma isn’t the best method of shuffling off this mortal coil.

    I really hope (yes really) that Mr Bob is genuinely confused or didn’t explain the circumstances correctly.

    Because if not (and I hope not), wheeling out funerals of dying people every time there’s mention of the V word would be a low act.

    Even for him. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

  36. Mother Lode

    I’m prepared to change my mind if the facts change.
    Spot the difference?

    The difference between yesterday and today is that yesterday he was a man dying of leukemia. Today he is a man who has died of leukemia.

    What is better today?

  37. JC

    Drills

    Who’ve you fired today and why?

  38. feelthebern

    How’s my toast going?

  39. Leigh Lowe

    Who’ve you fired today and why?

    Manuela the Philipino kitchen hand.
    Cut the toast into triangles instead of soldiers.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    KD, on the footy tipping.
    Here’s my advice.
    It’s the last round. Divide them all into “those who have something to play for” and “those who have nothing to play for”, either top eight or top four.

    You need to remember that some in the top eight or four can’t really change their position, so will they run dead?

    Then you’ve got the retiree factor. Will the Swannies “Do it for Kieran Jack and his lunatic girlfriend and his tightarse father” even though they can’t make the finals?
    Then there is the sacked coach factor. Will Freo players fire up to avoid being culled off the list or to impress whoever the new coach might be.

    Of course, there is the order the games are played. Once Essendon beats Collingwood on Friday that screws up the sides below them for the rest of the weekend.
    Hope this helps.

  41. JC

    Can you imagine what goes on at that madhouse?

    You burnt the fucking toast. You’re fired. Get out!

  42. JC

    What a truly stupid obit at the OZ on Tim Fischer.

    He was underrated all his life. Like he went through life totally underrated. FMD

    This is the freaking header.

    ‘The most underrated of his time’

    From unassuming conscript turned officer in the Vietnam War, to backbencher with a hidden, burning ambition. Tim Fischer never slowed down.

  43. JC

    He lived life to the full, in an underrated kind of way.

  44. Mother Lode

    I think the OZ has overrated how underrated he was.

  45. cohenite

    Just going through Pell v The Queen [2019] VSCA 186 (21 August 2019):

    7 The prosecution case rested on the evidence given by A. By the time A first made a complaint to police, in June 2015, B had died from accidental causes. In 2001, when asked by his mother whether he had ever been ‘interfered with or touched up’ while in the Cathedral choir, B said that he had not.

    And:

    51 A made a complaint to police in June 2015. B died in 2014, having never made any complaint to police. When asked by his mother in 2001, at age 17 or 18, whether he had ever been ‘interfered with or touched up’ when he was in the choir, B said ‘No’.

    Yet A maintained B was with him at the first alleged offence. Generally the majority verdict views all the inconsistencies of A’s evidence not as weaknesses but as strengths since a fabricator would not have such inconsistencies. In addition, the improbability of the sequence of claimed events are also not viewed as weaknesses either. Rather the majority regard that each aspect of the events, even though improbable, still was possible and that the accumulation of improbable aspects did not produce an overall very improbable sequence but via this accumulation of separate improbable aspects produced a sequence which had an overall greater probability than any one aspect of the sequence; a sort of legal gestalt. In short the inconsistencies of A’s evidence and the improbability of the evidence were strengths not weaknesses.

    Weinberg JA’s dissent took an opposing view, that the improbability of every stage of the sequence produced an accumulation of improbability to such an extent that the jury was incorrect in not having reasonable doubt.

    That aspect of the Appeal, the difference between the majority and the dissent, is sufficient in itself for the HC to take a policy interest in the case.

  46. Stimpson J. Cat

    Either way, he deserves to be beaten to death in the street.

    Don’t be so f$cking ridiculous.
    You would never do this in real life and you know it Knuckles.
    And you would simply be adding to what is arguably one of the greatest problems facing the world today, which is lack of fathers,
    even hopelessly inept ones.
    Be practical.
    Both of them should be forced to work in a pig abattoir until the child turns 18.
    This is true justice.
    Why do I always have to be the reasoned voice of sanity on this site?
    No wonder I get migraines.

  47. notafan

    the inconsistencies of A’s evidence not as weaknesses but as strengths since a fabricator would not have such inconsistencies

    what a joke

    is it not catching people out in lies how the police often catch the bad guy?

  48. JC

    the improbability of the sequence of claimed events are also not viewed as weaknesses either. Rather the majority regard that each aspect of the events, even though improbable, still was possible and that the accumulation of improbable aspects did not produce an overall very improbable sequence but via this accumulation of separate improbable aspects produced a sequence which had an overall greater probability than any one aspect of the sequence; a sort of legal gestalt.

    Explain this. The highlighted.

  49. notafan

    Yes well stimpy

    it is clear that some people think is objectively wrong to starve a baby/toddler for any reason

  50. Mother Lode

    and that the accumulation of improbable aspects did not produce an overall very improbable sequence but via this accumulation of separate improbable aspects produced a sequence which had an overall greater probability than any one aspect of the sequence; a sort of legal gestalt.

    Weinberg said that?

    He really doesn’t think much of the other two.

  51. cohenite

    Explain this. The highlighted.

    It can’t be explained head prefect; that’s the point; and read Weinberg’s dissent; and don’t tell me what to do; and get stuffed.

  52. JC

    Cronkite

    I was being nice… I was trying to avoid telling you that was the most convoluted claptrap anyone’s ever posted here… especially with pretensions of intellectual heft.

    And I will always tell you what to do.

  53. JC

    Weinberg said that?

    No, Cronkite worded it up himself it appears.

  54. Stimpson J. Cat

    it is clear that some people think is objectively wrong to starve a baby/toddler for any reason

    Do they?
    Really?
    Is this a new thing?
    I’m astonished.
    What does feeding a a child a poor diet have to do with murdering said child’s father?
    You idiot, how is beating the child’s father to death a logical solution on any level?
    Are you going to beat him to death yourself with your club of Christian righteousness?
    No?

    I thought not.

    Stupid f$cking sane people Jesus Christ.

    Why am I here?

    Just to suffer?

  55. notafan

    Stimpy

    I had nothing to say about anyone beating anyone to death, in case you didn’t notice.

    Though obviously you did

    as for the rest

    Is this a new thing?
    I’m astonished.

    morality is subjective donchaknow?

  56. cohenite

    Weinberg said that?

    No the majority and I’m paraphrasing.

    Weinberg’s Judgment is really astounding. The difference between his dissent and the majority was stark. I mean I don’t really care about the Catholic Church or Pell. But this prosecution of Pell and therein the church stinks of left wing activism. The majority Judgment is egregious.

  57. Some History

    Explain this. The highlighted.

    Going out on a limb here, I’d say it has something to do with “sequence”.

    https://imgur.com/K0p0j8g
    [image takes a few seconds to load]

  58. cohenite

    I was being nice…

    That’s a lie.

    I was trying to avoid telling you that was the most convoluted claptrap anyone’s ever posted here… especially with pretensions of intellectual heft.

    It’s a very simple summary of the majority Judgment. If you want claptrap and pretensions of intellectual heft read it.

    And I will always tell you what to do.

    I know; and I really appreciate it.

  59. The majority Judgment is egregious.

    Just as it was in the Wik decision.
    20 years later it is still law, & won’t ever be going away.
    Just as this one may not either, & the Cardinal may die in gaol.
    Half the people I’ve spoken to today (the ones who’ve actually heard of the Cardinal or the trial, that is) have said about him going back to jail to serve the full sentence: “Good, he deserves it”
    When the prospect that he did not do it is raised the almost universal response is: “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    Not much you can say to that.

  60. JC

    No the majority and I’m paraphrasing.

    See. He worded it up and rooted the entire context as he’s in way over his head.

  61. notafan

    I liked your paraphrase Cohenite

  62. JC

    Half the people I’ve spoken to today (the ones who’ve actually heard of the Cardinal or the trial, that is) have said about him going back to jail to serve the full sentence: “Good, he deserves it”
    When the prospect that he did not do it is raised the almost universal response is: “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    It’s extraordinary. Numerous people have said the same to me. It’s very concerning thing if the HC doesn’t reverse this abortion.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Inconsistencies in victim/witness evidence, particularly where alleged offending occurred years beforehand, are not only inevitable but desirable from a prosecution point of view.

    MINOR inconsistencies.

    Like ‘he was wearing a pink shirt’ when it was red. A 1974 Valiant instead of a 76.

    ‘There was a house with brown tiles,’ when they were black. This indicates that the witnesses etc hadn’t colluded prior to making their statements.

    It does NOT extend to being in the wrong place in the wrong year, having five statements corrected not due to memory improvement but to fit a narrative, or recalling things that are physically impossible.

  64. Mother Lode

    I was rather hoping Weinberg said it.

    Putting it in the decision would have been the equivalent of pantsing them on the bench.

  65. lotocoti

    Explain this. The highlighted.

    It’s like saying the probability of drawing one ace is 1/52, therefore drawing all 4 will be 4/52, whereas the actual probability for 4 aces is 1/6,497,400.

  66. calli

    Not much you can say to that.

    Yes there is.

    “You’re an idiotic bigot” comes to mind.

  67. “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    Wise not to confess to being a Christian, if you end up before a jury.

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    morality is subjective donchaknow?

    I’m glad you agree with my position.
    I’ll make a Good Catholic out of you yet!

  69. Some History

    and that the accumulation of improbable aspects did not produce an overall very improbable sequence but via this accumulation of separate improbable aspects produced a sequence which had an overall greater probability than any one aspect of the sequence; a sort of legal gestalt.

    Video length ~3 minutes

    Marx Brothers – The Contract Scene – Chico and Groucho

  70. It’s extraordinary. Numerous people have said the same to me. It’s very concerning thing if the HC doesn’t reverse this abortion.

    and it is coming from people I’d expect better of.
    People who’re voracious consumers of news & current affairs, who’re politically involved, all rusted on voters for LNP, PHON, KAP, or for Family First/Corey Bernardi.
    Most of them self-starters, who’ve run or are running businesses.

  71. Stimpson J. Cat

    Half the people I’ve spoken to today (the ones who’ve actually heard of the Cardinal or the trial, that is) have said about him going back to jail to serve the full sentence: “Good, he deserves it”

    It really is extraordinary.
    I actually felt like I was talking to a crazy person/people.

    Now I know what it feels like on the other side for a change.

    It was refreshing but very disappointing.

  72. JC

    Lotocoti
    #3138252, posted on August 22, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Explain this. The highlighted.

    It’s like saying the probability of drawing one ace is 1/52, therefore drawing all 4 will be 4/52, whereas the actual probability for 4 aces is 1/6,497,400.

    Sure, I know.

    He deserves a choke hold for explaining it the way he did and when asked to redress the clump of words he put together, he was insulted and angry. He’s so underrated.

  73. cohenite

    He worded it up and rooted the entire context as he’s in way over his head.

    I wrote it with you in mind head prefect. I knew you wouldn’t read the Judgment so I had to summarise it in a way a trader of derivatives would appreciate. You can thank me later.

    The point is the majority Judgment has as much logic as the Marx Brothers party of the first part skit.

  74. Mak Siccar

    ZK2A

    if you are listening.
    Dan Murphy has Lagavulin 16 yo for $96 a bottle.

    Enjoy!

  75. JC

    Crokers

    I actually read the judgement. At least I read Weinberg’s and avoided the combined one by the lezzo and the Liar party punk.

  76. cohenite

    It’s like saying the probability of drawing one ace is 1/52, therefore drawing all 4 will be 4/52, whereas the actual probability for 4 aces is 1/6,497,400.

    Yeah, that’s probably better for head prefect. He’s more numerate than literate; and more numbskull than anything.

  77. zyconoclast

    When the far right believes in climate change

    The climate crisis has become a convenient justification for ethno-nationalism

  78. JC

    Cronkite
    Why did you turn this into melee when all that was asked of you was to explain your thoughts. You angrified imbecile, I’m not always getting at you for being an idiot.

  79. Cactus

    “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    I have heard this so many times from so many people. You cant reason with them. The narrative against the Catholic Church in general and P3ll in particular is deeply ingrained. Scary that so many humans can take hold of this.

  80. zyconoclast

    How a conference in Utah could help save the symphony world

    Reflecting your audience

    According to Snow, a key to finding those donors is knowing your community.

    “You look at most orchestras, we’re very white. Our donors are white and our patrons are white, and that does not reflect the society that we live in,” Snow said. “We need to be looking at inclusion and diversity, and offering female composers and conductors and people of color and Latinx — all of those things are relevant to how we maintain ourselves. We’re definitely behind the eight ball.”

  81. cohenite

    Never mind head prefect; you’ve now got a choice; my word salad or the neat number summary based on adding probabilities.

  82. JC

    I have heard this so many times from so many people

    I actually heard this from a young doctor and her hubby doc inlaws. Incredible.

  83. Stimpson J. Cat

    JC, if you take Monty out for anything more expensive than toast in the future after his abominable performance on the Hell’s P®ll thread, I will never forgive you.
    It was just disgraceful.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dan Murphy has Lagavulin 16 yo for $96 a bottle.

    Noted, thank you.

  85. zyconoclast

    Does any of this make sense?

    Hidden resilience and adaptive dynamics of the global online hate ecology

    Online hate and extremist narratives have been linked to abhorrent real-world events, including a current surge in hate crimes1,2,3,4,5,6 and an alarming increase in youth suicides that result from social media vitriol7; inciting mass shootings such as the 2019 attack in Chr1stchurch, stabbings and bombings8,9,10,11; recruitment of extremists12,13,14,15,16, including entrapment and s3x-trafficking of girls as fighter brides17; threats against public figures, including the 2019 verbal attack against an anti-Brexit politician, and hybrid (racist–anti-women–anti-immigrant) hate threats against a US member of the British royal family18; and renewed anti-western hate in the 2019 post-1S1S landscape associated with support for [email protected] B1n Lad3n’s son and A1 [email protected] Social media platforms seem to be losing the battle against online hate19,20 and urgently need new insights. Here we show that the key to understanding the resilience of online hate lies in its global network-of-network dynamics. Interconnected hate clusters form global ‘hate highways’ that—assisted by collective online adaptations—cross social media platforms, sometimes using ‘back doors’ even after being banned, as well as jumping between countries, continents and languages. Our mathematical model predicts that policing within a single platform (such as Facebook) can make matters worse, and will eventually generate global ‘dark pools’ in which online hate will flourish. We observe the current hate network rapidly rewiring and self-repairing at the micro level when attacked, in a way that mimics the formation of covalent bonds in chemistry. This understanding enables us to propose a policy matrix that can help to defeat online hate, classified by the preferred (or legally allowed) granularity of the intervention and top-down versus bottom-up nature. We provide quantitative assessments for the effects of each intervention. This policy matrix also offers a tool for tackling a broader class of illicit online behaviours21,22 such as financial fraud.

  86. zyconoclast

    It’s always about the free stuff.

    Foreign students fear Germany’s tuition fees damage diversity

    Increased living costs and non-EU tuition fees are fueling concern among foreign students. They worry that higher costs could encourage exclusiveness and that Germany will no longer be a sought-after study destination.

    Germany, a popular choice for foreign students, has always prided itself on giving free quality education for all.

    A recent study released by two academic services found that Germany has become the most popular country for foreign students in the non-English speaking world. The students are primarily attracted by better prospects and “no fees.”

    “Fees won’t be a problem for students coming from developed countries like the USA, but students coming from nondeveloped countries will definitely have trouble paying the fees,” said Dr. Varunseelan Murugaiyan, an agricultural specialist from India at the University of Bonn.

  87. 1735099

    Vietnam – The War that just keeps on killing.
    It’s age Numbers, we are just getting old.

    True, Kev – but it’s not that simple.
    The rate of blood cancer amongst Vietnam veterans is two and a half times that for a control group of individuals of same age and demography not exposed to dioxin.
    Sure, old age will get us all in the end, but both length and quality of life is diminished for our cohort.

  88. Cactus

    I was at an election night BBQ one night and I was standing around a BBQ with 3 other blokes, someone asked about voting. One man proudly said he voted for the anti P3dophile party, because he was so dead against it. I just said, “I knew I shouldn’t have come to a election party, you just end up in arguments”. I got one bloke to laugh.

  89. Mother Lode

    “You look at most orchestras, we’re very white. Our donors are white and our patrons are white, and that does not reflect the society that we live in,

    Actually I am pretty sure it does. Unless they have a policy of refusing ‘players of colour’ and ‘payers of colour’ then the orchestra will precisely reflect who wants to play and who wants to pay.

    So how are they planning to compel Black people and Latinses to donate?

  90. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We observe the current hate network rapidly rewiring and self-repairing at the micro level when attacked, in a way that mimics the formation of covalent bonds in chemistry.

    Does any of this make sense? Zyco asks. Nope. It is scientism at its most blatant worst.
    Mention a covalent bond and you’re in. ‘Science’ to the rescue.

  91. 1735099

    Are there two funerals for your mate, or are there two section mates of yours who died of the same condition two weeks apart?

    Not that it’s any of your business, but it’s the same bloke.
    The funeral was delayed for reasons I’m not sharing here.

  92. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The idea there are “no” Asian or black musicians, especially in classical or orchestral music, is stupid and hilariously & unintentionally racist AF.

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “You look at most orchestras, we’re very white. Our donors are white and our patrons are white, and that does not reflect the society that we live in,

    Might have something to do with years of practice on piano and sax before and after school.

    You have to work very hard to attain white privilege. That’s the sort of society we live in.

  94. egg_

    Mike Baird quit after an attempt to ban greyhound racing reset his polling to zero.

    Caesar complex?
    Didn’t he also screw with precincts around clubs after hours?

  95. Stimpson J. Cat

    We need to be looking at inclusion and diversity, and offering female composers and conductors and people of color and Latinx

    What the hell is a Latinx?

    Is that a Half Chink Half Latin Hot Chick?
    I can get behind that if that’s what it is.

  96. Knuckle Dragger:

    Dad said he was ‘powerless’ to change Mum’s behaviour.

    Actually, he denied his wife the help she obviously needed by just taking the child to the outpatients department of any reasonably large hospital.
    Nevertheless, his refusal to even do this, shows him to be a gutless POS.

  97. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    May they both rest in piece.
    Vietnam – The War that just keeps on killing.

    It’s crazy.
    Everyone who went their eventually dies. Even the tourists.
    We have to do something.

    IT. Back in form. Good to see.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When the prospect that he did not do it is raised the almost universal response is: “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    Oh. Guilty like Lindy Chamberlain, I gently query.

    They mostly go all quiet then.

  99. Notafan:

    it is clear that some people think is objectively wrong to starve a baby/toddler for any reason

    It’s a bit more than this – the child was not getting any interaction with the parents. It’s the only way to not be able to talk, walk, or even roll over. Was the child autistic/retarded in some way that she didn’t even try to sit up or walk by the age of 2 years?
    There’s something really stinky behind this and it ain’t just a dirty nappy.

  100. Nick

    Dan Murphy has Lagavulin 16 yo for $96 a bottle.

    $90 and lower used to be the sale price

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    hahaha. Greta as a Stepford Child. Excellent video of Zyborg G up there.

  102. Roger

    I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    Bigotry fuelled by a press that is not afraid to stoop to defamatory character assassination.

    Public honours stripped.

    The parallels with the Dreyfus Affair are remarkable and instructive.

    No society is beyond this type of irrational hysteria.

  103. JC

    Stimson

    Fatboy owes me a lunch. We had a ghoul bet going when Bader Ginsburg would die. She’s dead now and has been before the bet’s expiry date. He refuses to pay up. Typical.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Parents of a malnourished toddler pleaded guilty to causing her serious injury
    At 19 months, the child weighed less than 5kg and looked like a three-month-old

    Toddler hardly seems an appropriate noun here. This child wasn’t toddling anywhere.

  105. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    JC

    Whatever happened to Gwee Rundle, fake “gonzo” journalist extraordinaire?

  106. Socrates at the Pub:

    Half the people I’ve spoken to today (the ones who’ve actually heard of the Cardinal or the trial, that is) have said about him going back to jail to serve the full sentence: “Good, he deserves it”
    When the prospect that he did not do it is raised the almost universal response is: “I don’t care, he’s a Cardinal/Catholic/Tyke/Priest/one-of-them/whatever, & I hope he stays in jail”

    Their was another grouping of people who were subject to similar media denunciation and hatred. IIRC, things went a lot harder for them.
    Isn’t it amazing just how bad things can get when the government and the media whip up a storm of anger against such a group?
    And then, just like that, they get the truth of their own bigotry and hatred rammed down their throats and they say “OMG What have we done.”
    Good thing it won’t happen to us – we’re civilised, you know.

  107. Mother Lode

    You have to work very hard to attain white privilege.

    LOL

  108. JC

    Frank

    Good question. I dunno whatever happened the the porker. Also, whatever happened to that lunatic J88wish dude who Blair always beat up for being a real mummy’s boy? Blair just destroyed him.

    So many have disappeared… My old carbon slave, Metro Mick… so many.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Toddler hardly seems an appropriate noun here. This child wasn’t toddling anywhere.

    The kid had rickets, F.F.S!!

  110. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    via this accumulation of separate improbable aspects produced a sequence which had an overall greater probability than any one aspect of the sequence; a sort of legal gestalt. In short the inconsistencies of A’s evidence and the improbability of the evidence were strengths not weaknesses.

    Hmm. That’s not the sort of probability theory I studied.
    But that’s just me, of course. 🙂

  111. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ah, Metro Mick, award-winning Wankley journo…
    Jeff Sparrow…a reason why economics is best left to the professionals.
    m0nty – where are the Trump indictments, pal?

    Ana Kasparian & Rach. Maddow at least had the decency to suck it up and eat some goddamned crow.

  112. egg_

    Greta as a Stepford Child.

    Welcome to Stepford Climate Lunacy – with Stepford EVs that run on unicorn farts, not coal fired Electricity.

  113. Old School Conservative

    Do they have any understanding of history?
    Channel Seven news reader explains that Tim Fischer attributed his leukaemia to “the agent, orange.”

  114. JC

    Frank

    I led an emissions free life when Metro was around before the bastard escaped. I’d turn on the a/c and request Metro put energy into the grid by getting on the bike plugged into the grid. I was a terrific emissions free existence. I miss my carbon slave.

  115. egg_

    Back in those days Mk50 was very well respected at the Cat as can be seen by the number of people defending him. However I don’t think he ever recovered from it and it was all downhill from there.

    He’s far from Robinson Crusoe in passing off wiki, etc. knowledge as his own here up against SMEs; the SMEs are very forgiving/don’t wish to be drawn into pissing contests IMO.
    The only problem with that is that ignorance reigns supreme.

  116. egg_

    “the agent, orange.”

    Orange Man Trump666 strikes again?

  117. egg_

    Legislation can change a lot about a city – very quickly. We saw it with the introduction of small bar licenses, and we’ve seen it again lately with Sydney’s lockout laws, introduced in 2014. These laws mean that all venues within Kings Cross, Darlinghurst and the CBD ‘Entertainment Precinct’ cannot take new customers after 1.30am, and must call last drinks at 3am. State-wide, you cannot buy takeaway alcohol after 10pm (yes, even posh wines).

    These laws were created in response to alcohol fueled violence in Sydney, and in particular, two fatal incidents. While the rate of alcohol related violence has declined in lockout areas since the laws were passed, there have been other, unintended consequences.

  118. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Parents avoid jail over ‘reckless’ neglect of malnourished vegan daughter

    Comments on the article on the Oz website have suddenly disappeared down the memory hole…

  119. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    While the rate of alcohol related violence has declined in lockout areas since the laws were passed, there have been other, unintended consequences.

    Sure, and if I ban people from living in Sydney, then the crime rate in Sydney will drop to zero too.

  120. JC

    Egg, don’t excuse the varmint. It’s a little different to taking ideas from wiki and babbling in blog comments. What that dishonest imbecile did was take a piece, change the wording around a little and peddle it as his own here on a thread. That’s gross.

    It also wasn’t the first time either.

    It’s indecent.

  121. egg_

    JC
    #3138341, posted on August 22, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    Some don’t outright plagiarise, but they’re almost as bad – when they misinterpret the information is the tell that they’re not an SME.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Not that it’s any of your business’

    Well you’ve made at least three public pronouncements about it, Liability Bob.

    Leaving aside any motive for doing so, you can’t continually bring up a subject and then not expect questions.

    It’s a bit like whipping the sav out in the middle of Coles and spending the rest of the day yelling ‘Don’t look at me!’

  123. Mater

    The rate of blood cancer amongst Vietnam veterans is two and a half times that for a control group of individuals of same age and demography not exposed to dioxin.

    From your link:

    The AFHS included former US Air Force personnel who participated in Operation Ranch Hand (Ranch Hand veterans) and other US Air Force personnel who had similar duties in Southeast Asia during the same time period (1962 to 1971) but were not involved in herbicide spray missions (comparison veterans).

    Not equivalent, Bob. Those ‘Ranch Hand veterans’ could literally have bathed in the stuff on a daily basis and, consequently, they don’t represent an average ‘Vietnam veteran’. Their results would, most certainly, be at the very extreme of the results. You might even consider them an “outrider” (sic) when it comes to a comprehensive study on the issue.

    You did notice that members of the control group were also veterans, didn’t you? They most certainly could have been exposed to the dioxin to the same extent you were, and yet…

    The problems experienced by the Ranch Hand Veterans don’t necessarily flow over to you or your mates. The control group proves it. I think you’ve read more into this paper than it actually says.

    This study might have a useful finding, Bob, but it doesn’t support your contention.

  124. JC

    Egg

    Who’s plagiarized a thread?

  125. egg_

    there would be more arrogant bastards per head of population than in an equivalent sized town in the Anglosphere I reckon.

    I reckon it’s a cultural inferiority complex, Jupes. They know they have been beaten by the Anglos in just about everything except wine and cooking. If isn’t enough for the snobby types.

    Aus/NZ are blowing them away in the wine market – California, too.
    Plenty of cheese competition, too.

  126. egg_

    Who’s plagiarized a thread?

    I’m speaking of casting the first stone – some have plagiarised high profile subject matter here.

  127. BrettW

    I see Mike Smith has a post relating to lobbying Senators in relation to his private case against Gillard in relation to AWU matters.

    The implication from his post is that he is trying to get independent Senators to involve the Commonwealth in taking action over the AWU matter. If not it may affect their support for the planned legislation to impose tighter control over Unions.

    Whilst I am happy for any action against Gillard / AWU the fact is these matters are nearly 30 years ago. Although it appears Smith is going for Gillard perjuring herself during the Royal Commission which is a much more recent event. I can also understand it is personal as it was Gillard who was instrumental in having Smith lose his radio job.

    However not happy if it prevents the proposed legislation going through. There are some Senators (ie. Lambie) who would be more than happy to have an excuse to not to support the legislation.

  128. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m speaking of casting the first stone – some have plagiarised high profile subject matter here.

    That was Jesus.
    In the Bible.
    Are you allowed to copy the Bible?
    Ask8ng for a friend.

  129. Percy Popinjay

    While the rate of alcohol related violence has declined in lockout areas since the laws were passed, there have been other, unintended consequences.

    The fact that every decent venue in Sydney went broke and shut down due to those pernicious laws (justified by dodgy stats cooked up by those who should have known better) was not “an unintended consequence”.

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The kid had rickets, F.F.S!!

    5kg at nineteen months means she had a damn sight more than rickets, Zulu.
    The term ‘toddler’ connotes a cute little human being ricoshaying around everywhere and into everything before plumping down on their behind with a startled expression. It’s so normal, and delightful.

    This poor child was a human wreck and nothing like that. So sad. Parents should be … best I simply say counselled … but imprisoned would be my real choice. Pour encourager les autres.

  131. egg_

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3138340, posted on August 22, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    Patrons were also suing Clubs for heavy handed bouncers.
    Baird may have overreacted with the Nanny State.

  132. 1735099

    IT back in form

    And what “form” is mocking the death of a couple of veterans?
    Pretty poor, I reckon.

  133. egg_

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3138353, posted on August 22, 2019 at 5:00 pm

    J ew are walking on thin ice?

  134. Mater

    And what “form” is mocking the death of a couple of veterans?
    Pretty poor, I reckon.

    How do we know they were? You haven’t provided their Service Numbers for verification?

    Goose, gander!

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    IT was making a wry analogy to the terminating nature of all human life, Shakespearian in its scope let us say, commendable in its accuracy and brevity; he was not mocking any particular soldiers’ deaths. Sharpen your wits, teacher.

    Some people, not very quick on the uptake at the best, just don’t do wry or any other form of humor.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I noticed on the Pell discussion thread, the first one that went up, regulars here were assiduously disguising all the usual verboten words, but others, newbies or some not here often, were publishing away merrily with no disguise at all. Sinc must have turned of the spammo block for the duration.

  137. Arky

    The rate of blood cancer amongst Vietnam veterans is two and a half times that for a control group of individuals of same age and demography not exposed to dioxin.

    ..
    A small price to pay for the privilege of killing commie swine on the battlefield.
    Cancer me up baby, if that’s the deal.

  138. egg_

    The French? They eat horses, don’t they?

    Snails, too.
    Do they have a recipe for witchetty grubs?

  139. 1735099

    This study might have a useful finding, Bob, but it doesn’t support your contention.

    I don’t have a “contention”.
    I’m merely drawing attention to the facts.
    There are any number of studies linking dioxin and blood cancers.
    Here’s a recent literature review.
    From the abstract –

    Epidemiologic studies on TCDD exposure demonstrated an association with onco-hematologic diseases, particularly with non Hodgkin lymphomas and multiple myeloma, and non hematologic cancers, such as sarcomas.

  140. egg_

    I remember those old chain drive toasters, every two-bit motel up and down the coast used to have one. Any place I can afford to stay at, would be unlikely to allocate much marginal extra expense for a chain drive toaster. They usually made the guests put their own bread through … which is OK because at least when the toast comes out it’s still hot.

    Still common in mining camps IME.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am heading for the bath. It has been a horrible bleak winter’s day here in Sydney, very windy early on, and still blowy and cold and now getting dark. A soak of my ancient frame (haw, haw) in some warming bubbles sounds very attractive, to me anyway.

    Hairy took some pics of me in the huge bubble bath we had in the corner of our Vancouver hotel suite in June. Bubbles in all the right places making it seem very modest, while displaying a level of perkiness of which I may still be proud. I will not put it as my Gravitar though, as true modesty suggests that a swimsuit shot might be more appropriate. 🙂

    There. If that doesn’t bring the usual suspects in for a moan nothing will. I am beyond caring.
    However, I do request that nasty personal attacks on me be confined to the Open Thread.
    It is very poor form indeed to hit personally on someone in the other threads, when we have visitors.
    Keep it for the usual inmates, here.

  142. 1735099

    How do we know they were? You haven’t provided their Service Numbers for verification?

    I don’t think it’s actually necessary to post Tim Fischer’s regimental number.

  143. egg_

    That reminds me, a typical toaster has a dial for how dark you want it, where a 3 is about right for bread and a setting of 5 is sufficient to set fire to a soggy crumpet … but the dial goes right up to 9 or 10 on most models. What’s the idea of that?

    It’s simply a timer in modern toasters – I’ve witnessed Office workers who like a bit of charring (to hell with cancer?).
    Frozen setting is simply less heat for longer.

  144. 1735099

    IT was making a wry analogy to the terminating nature of all human life, Shakespearian in its scope

    Shakespearian?
    To quote the bard – The lady doth protest too much, methinks….. (Hamlet, Act III, Scene II)

  145. egg_

    This petri dish of smegma

    Is that our new diet from their Grunenfuhrers?

  146. egg_

    Smeg and Thrush on toast?

  147. Des Deskperson

    Frank and JC, Guy Rundle launched a book in March this year

    https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/practice

    It looks like a collation of his wisdoms. The blurb uses the term ‘irreverent’, so you can pretty much certify that it is plodding and orthodox. I’ve never heard of Blackincbooks, I have read no reviews and, despite the fact that it’s been out for five months, I’ve seen it in no bookshops. The RRP was $32.99 but you can now get it on line for $25.90.

    Note the typical Rundle PR photo . Like the ones that the ABC used to use when he was on Q&A, it’s meantto make him look like a lean, street hardened, surly radical.but they can’t hide the jowls and they can’t show his belly.

  148. egg_

    Now we need c.nt struck harry to wake up and boot that skank he’s married to.

    Sux like an Electrolux?

  149. egg_

    I think that most restaurants realise the real possibility of murder o manslaughter, in their very restaurant when a big Aussie who hasn’t had his coffee yet, starts throwing nips all over the place, just to get to the chain toaster.

    Can you feed one through the chain toaster as an example?
    /NADT

  150. Snoopy

    A South Australian man has been reported for allegedly making and selling alcohol without a licence after police uncovered about 800 litres of homemade alcohol at his property.
    >
    Chief Inspector Hutchins said in addition to legal issues, manufacturing alcohol in uncontrolled circumstances could have serious health consequences.

    No doubt TheirABC strongly supports free alcohol testing?

  151. Mater

    I don’t have a “contention”.

    Bullshit! You were very specific.

    The rate of blood cancer amongst Vietnam veterans is two and a half times that for a control group of individuals of same age and demography not exposed to dioxin.

    …and provided the link as evidence.

    The link doesn’t support that statement. Have a bit testicular fortitude and admit to your mistake/dishonesty.

  152. egg_

    Queensland Labor is set to endorse a change to its official platform to become more coal friendly, asserting the party’s support for the mining industry as it seeks to reconnect with regional and blue-collar voters.

    Thanks to Bob Brown-Green’s Climate Clown Caravan of doom!

  153. Bruce in WA

    Well, well, well.

    Smoke … fire. Why am I not surprised?

    An influential United States Congress hearing has been told “one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern’s party” is linked to the Chinese Communist Party and it showed China had penetrated New Zealand’s political networks.

    As a result, US lawmakers needed to consider whether New Zealand should be kicked out of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance because of problems at its “political core”.

    The bombshell testimony included claims from a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst that “anything on China that was briefed to Bill English was briefed to Mr Yang Jian”, the National MP revealed last year as having trained spies for China.

    The hearing of the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission was aimed at gathering evidence on China’s relationship with traditional US allies.

    UN Senator James Talent – once touted as Donald Trump’s pick for Secretary of Defence – raised concerns about “a sharp rise in political donations” from Chinese Government-backed bodies to political parties in Australia and New Zealand.

    China’s actions included getting people linked to the Communist Party or People’s Liberation Army elected and had made it worth the while of political figures “to parrot its line on issues it deems important”.

    “It’s important for the United States to consider that China may be testing methods of interference to probe for weaknesses in democracies in order to use the same techniques against Western countries in the future.”

    The hearing heard testimony from former CIA analyst Peter Mattis who said the Chinese Communist Party had worked “very close to or inside the political core” of Australia and New Zealand and “one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern’s party has United Front links”.

    “That, you have to say, this is close enough to the central political core of the New Zealand system that we have to think about whether or not they take action and what kinds of action. What do they do to reduce the risk?”

    However, he said New Zealand “have denied that there’s a problem at all” and failed to follow Australia’s lead in setting up an inquiry into China’s activities.

    As a result, he said New Zealand’s Five Eyes’ partners (Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and the US) “need to have a discussion about whether or not New Zealand can remain given this problem with the political core”.

    He said “it needs to be put in those terms so that New Zealand’s Government understands that the consequences are substantial for not thinking through and addressing some of the problems that they face”.

    New Zealand’s membership of the Five Eyes has been considered by successive governments as a cornerstone of our security.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the Five Eyes relationship was strong.

    “None of them have ever raised such concerns with me, nor have I heard that they’ve ever been raised with anyone else.

    “Our intelligence agencies are constantly undertaking a wide range of investigative activity on foreign threats and we constantly review our safeguards.”

    Labour’s General Secretary Andrew Kirton said the party followed the law on donations and had no idea which donor the Congressional testimony referred to.

    “We have no knowledge whatsoever of what or who this is referring to.”

    Opposition leader Simon Bridges rejected claims Yang received improper briefings from the former prime minister.

    He also said National followed the law on political donations and had seen no sign of improper influence.

    “New Zealand has strong international relations and robust processes in place to ensure our political processes are completely independent of any other country.”

    Bridges said there should be no risk to the Five Eyes relationship.

    “What it does show, however, is a growing mistrust of this Government in the US. If New Zealand is being viewed with increasing mistrust by the US then the Prime Minister needs to get to work repairing what is an extremely important relationship to New Zealand.”

    NZ Security Intelligence Service director-general Rebecca Kitteridge said she would not reveal the areas on which spies were focused because it would harm their work.

    “Investigating foreign intelligence activity and interference in New Zealand is a core function of NZSIS.”

    Academics focused on international relations and security were largely of the view it wasn’t accurate to frame New Zealand as bowing to China’s influence but that it was a perception the US was keen to push.

    Canterbury University’s Anne-Marie Brady, who published a paper last year warning of China’s “soft influence” in New Zealand, said the commission was one of two forums in the US Congress which discussed the China issue, making the hearing and comments significant.

    “It’s very influential and authoritative. The issue of China’s influence is a very hot topic in Washington at the moment.”

    Massey University’s Professor Rouben Azizian said it would be naive for New Zealanders to believe an expanding power like China would be satisfied simply with trade.

    “On the other extreme, we shouldn’t become a toy for America’s ‘Great Game’ in China.”

    Victoria University’s Professor Robert Ayson said it was an “extraordinary statement” to suggest New Zealand’s Five Eyes membership was in jeopardy.

    He said there were those in the US keen on creating a Cold War-style conflict with China and casting New Zealand as bending under Beijing’s power helped embed that narrative.

    Also at Victoria University, Dr Van Jackson said care needed to be taken that New Zealand was not seen as sufficiently concerned about Washington’s perceptions – even if those perceptions were not accurate.

    Jackson, who has worked in the Office of the US Secretary of Defence, said responses so far pushed the line that “there’s nothing to see here”.

    “That shows there is a problem. If [push back] is happening privately, then it looks like nothing is being done.”

  154. hzhousewife

    No doubt TheirABC strongly supports free alcohol testing?

    This afternoon the ABC news was worried about the amount of alcohol in commercial Kombucha drinks.

  155. Twostix

    “You look at most orchestras, we’re very white. Our donors are white and our patrons are white, and that does not reflect the society that we live in,

    Lol when I read this i thougjt it was a white natuonalist making an impassioned cry for white european goodness.

    Then we see it’s a cry to abolish that.

  156. JC

    Thanks Desk

    Next time it would be good idea not to highlight there’s a pic of than wonderful example of the males species ….just before dinner. -:) What a slob.

    Hey desk, there was this generational leftie former APS’er turned into a full blown leftwing retard. I can’t recall his name, but he lives in Canberra I think and he’s like a generational APS’er. Do you know who I’m talking about.. and whatever happened to him? He also had a blog and was close with fig face at Club Trop.

  157. Delcon

    Bruce in WA
    #3138385, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:05 pm

    Well, well, well.

    Smoke … fire. Why am I not surprised?

    An influential United States Congress hearing has been told “one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern’s party” is linked to the Chinese Communist Party and it showed China had penetrated New Zealand’s political networks.

    And in Hobart a candidate with ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
    Nothing to see here.

  158. egg_

    There is a significant body of evidence showing that the U.S. economy is strong. The U.S. economy has added millions of jobs, and even long-neglected sectors like manufacturing are having a resurgence.

    If only we could say the same in Oz.
    Service Economy, Aunty?
    /Space cadets

  159. JC

    There is a significant body of evidence showing that the U.S. economy is strong.

    If you don’t like government debt, the US is fucked and the orange one hasn’t done a thing about clamping down on debt/ spending. It’s about time he focused on that. I take him at his word that’s what he will be doing in his second term though. But fuck me, it’s a pile of debt and he better get a handle on it after 2020 if he wins.

  160. Diogenes

    Finally some good news on the news… Redbank Powerstation (coal) will be recommissioned.
    Then the bad news …
    3 or 4 stories later, expect black outs in summer as 2 Yarragrad generators are broken.

    Sigh

  161. egg_

    Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham

    MacClayton’s burger.

  162. Cassie of Sydney

    I have been thinking about the whole Pell saga/witch hunt. I wonder who they will go after next…that is the ABC, Nein and all the other rodents on the left…they are very empowered, ecstatic and salivating over yesterday’s judgment. I don’t think that they have finished with Abbott yet. Dutton? Which brings me to to something else I have been thinking long and hard about…even before yesterday…it is something I discussed with other CPAC attendees as well….and let me tell you it was very nice meeting likeminded people and knowing that I am not the only one who is frustrated by the current zeitgeist….anyway I digress……I have been wondering why so many people on the right….and the two prime figures here are Abbott and Pell….have always been so meek and mild and when it comes to handling the left…their insistence on turning the other cheek when dealing with the utterly vicious and endless smears and innuendo….rather than being aggressive, taking legal action and facing the haters head on. Someone at CPAC stood up and said in regards to Australian right of centre politicians and particularly in reference to Abbott that their big problem is that they can’t bring themselves to enjoy being “hated”…..rather they…and specifically Abbott…are always trying to appease/submit/placate the luvvies on the left and are always trying to be loved/liked/respected by the left…something that the left will never do and it actually feeds and enhances the left’s war against the right. Actually I think that Dutton is an exception and doesn’t mind being hated…..and that is why he did what he did last August…and amen to that….and why he also won his seat again this year…despite a cesspit of a campaign by the ALP and their comrades in GetUp to “get Dutton”…..Dutton actually puts on his armour and goes out to meet them….head on. Abbott played the gentleman when dealing with the slag Steggall….he knew a month out that he was going to lose and he basically should have waged war on the slag over the last few week before the election….but didn’t…always the gentleman. And I wonder if Pell had sued the ABC, Fairfax and the rest years ago when these allegations first surfaced…to put some fear into them….to protect himself….would that have changed anything? I don’t know…but I do know one thing…we on the right need to “embrace the hate”.

    Oh and I have turned off Chris Smith…who is filling in for Credlin….he is a vacuous spineless twerp who opened his programme getting stuck into Pell…and getting stuck into people who believe that Pell is innocent. He can fuck off and the next time I run into Peta Credlin I will tell her that he is a useless vacuous unintelligent toad. I’m watching Judge Judy….much more entertaining.

  163. calli

    I wonder who they will go after next

    Comensoli.

  164. Delcon

    The parallels with the Dreyfus Affair are remarkable and instructive.

    No society is beyond this type of irrational hysteria.

    I would have never thought something like that could happen here, but here we are.
    At the time it was said, “This is not a trial about Dreyfus; It is a trial about France”.
    Maybe what Australia needs right now is an Emile Zola.

  165. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3138398, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:31 pm
    I wonder who they will go after next

    Comensoli.”

    Yep..already happening. I bet Fatty Ashton’s keystone cops have started a dossier this afternoon.

  166. Tel

    No doubt TheirABC strongly supports free alcohol testing?

    With beer, drink a bit and wait, but don’t worry too much it’s practically impossible to hurt yourself with beer beyond a headache. I mean, unless someone is actively trying to poison you, in which case make your own beer. I’ve lived through some appalling beer and recovered.

    With spirits it’s much more dangerous, there could be enough methanol to harm you, and plenty of people have been harmed. The old test was to use a coil of red-hot copper wire which you hold just above the questionable spirits then warm the liquid to give off fumes that pass over the copper surface. Methanol converts to formaldehyde which you can detect by sense of smell. I’m told that Platinum wire also works.

    Probably worth getting your hand into the practice first before using it in the field.

    If that’s too rough and ready for you, then yes there’s easily available food safety test kits that will show up methanol in a drink.

  167. egg_

    Tim Fischer has just died.

    Fast tracked to Heaven?

  168. Delcon

    China Criticises Australia for Not Doing Enough about Climate Change

    The ironing!

    The Left spoonfeeds our enemies. Makes it so easy for them.

  169. mh

    If you don’t like government debt, the US is fucked and the orange one hasn’t done a thing about clamping down on debt/ spending. It’s about time he focused on that. I take him at his word that’s what he will be doing in his second term though. But fuck me, it’s a pile of debt and he better get a handle on it after 2020 if he wins.

    We’ll have to wait and see what the Congress looks like after November next year.

  170. calli

    On the poor little vegan baby.

    Just saw vision of those well-fed slobs leaving court. Put the animals on starvation rations for a month.

    That little one will have a legacy of medical problems for the rest of her life. Those things need to know what it’s like to starve.

  171. bespoke

    JC

    A few days ago the topic of it being better to rent. Maybe at your level but at mine I see a distinct difference in work ethic between those us who are buying and the renters. I don’t no who would be better of in the end but it’s better for productivity.

    I had a guy turn down work because it would cut his benefits. But get this he would have got more and it didn’t matter.

  172. Bubbles

    I’ll miss Tim.
    One of the rare straight-up pollies of our time. Hard working, generous, passionate supporter of the bush and the nation and shrugged-off the filth heaped on him by the disgusting ABC. The bastards even sneered at his military record.
    He did not deserve the tragedies that dogged his life.
    I recall seeing him in Europe when he was on a trade promotion tour. His staff dropped from exhaustion; the French loved him and listened to him. The journo scum sneered.
    Sleep safe old mate.

  173. Tel

    China Criticises Australia for Not Doing Enough about Climate Change

    If it’s OK for the Labor Party to cut all live exports on a whim after a TV show … then this would be a great time for China to do their bit for the environment by giving up eating Australian meat … and no more milk powder either.

    Not only are we helping them by stopping exports, we also save the planet!!! Your move ScoMo.

  174. egg_

    Beijing has suggested Australia reflect on how it engages its Pacific neighbours after Fiji’s Prime Minister accused Scott Morrison of being “insulting and condescending” at last week’s Pacific Islands Forum (PIF) in Tuvalu.

    Coconuts getting uppity over handouts?

  175. Some History

    China Criticises Australia for Not Doing Enough about Climate Change

    China is a success story in combating pollution. In the last 2 years the Chinese have increased visibility from 10 to 20 metres.

    https://imgur.com/ohd6lvW

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    Yep..already happening. I bet Fatty Ashton’s keystone cops have started a dossier this afternoon.

    Go easy on Fatty. Haven’t heard of the darkies playing up for some time now. People are again safe in their homes and beds from the booty hunters. Fatty must have brought them all under control.

  177. Eyrie

    Tim Fischer helped disarm the Australian citizenry and bludged off the taxpayer most of his life.

  178. JC

    A few days ago the topic of it being better to rent. Maybe at your level but at mine I see a distinct difference in work ethic between those us who are buying and the renters. I don’t no who would be better of in the end but it’s better for productivity.

    Bespoke, there could be or it maybe a chicken and egg situation. Switzerland is a very stable, happy place and there and the % of home owners vs renters is around 45% owners.

    I did read an interesting thing about this phenomenon though and it may not be a woolly and cuddly as it sounds. The Swiss impose an imputed rent tax on owners which can be quite high. It said that people would love to buy but this tax is quite onerous and so they prefer to rent. I haven’t verified this though.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    calli
    #3138398, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:31 pm
    I wonder who they will go after next
    Comensoli.

    There will be two lines of attack.
    Firstly, there is the setting up and knocking down of noisy individuals. Comensoli is certainly one of those.
    Secondly is assigning ‘corporate responsibility’ for all manner of ‘wrongs’. See my most on CL’s thread about them trying to assign the murder of Maria James in 1980 to two Catholic priests initially, but we have now moved to “the role of the Catholic Church in the murder” … based on zero evidence.

    The breaking of confessional seal affords them a means of attacking both individual priests and the church as a whole.
    I know this won’t sit well with many traditional Catholics, but I think they have to instruct priests that anyone who confesses to serious abuse must come clean with the authorities before they receive absolution. Instruct them to come back in a month after they have made a statement to Plod.
    Of course, the Milligan set-up merchants will be snookered by that one. A bit of a stretch to make a confession to Plod just to stitch up a priest.
    The alternative is a conga line of priests being set up, recorded and sent to jail, and ultimately a declaration by the Green-Liars that the Church has lost it’s “social licence”.

    St Pats … a great place for an apartment block.

  180. Roger

    Maybe what Australia needs right now is an Emile Zola.

    Zola was a liberal.

    Where are our liberals on this?

  181. Entropy

    Would anyone no time if NZ was not part of five eyes? I mean apart from the Chinese.

  182. Entropy

    Eyrie
    #3138417, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:47 pm
    Tim Fischer helped disarm the Australian citizenry and bludged off the taxpayer most of his life.

    He did sort that odious scum Richard Carlton who was busy endangering people during the East Timor elections.
    An old style principled politician. I would of disagree with him on many things (eg trains) but he was worthy of respect.

  183. Delcon

    China Criticises Australia for Not Doing Enough about Climate Change

    China is a success story in combating pollution. In the last 2 years the Chinese have increased visibility from 10 to 20 metres.

    Wow, not bad, China.
    BTW, Tasmania has the cleanest air in the world, which of course did not stop this state from giving birth to the worldwide Green movement which always tells the West how it should learn from China to reduce pollution.

  184. Top Ender

    No doubt it would have inspired The Chaser “boys” for a year or more.

    But for the Pell trial one would have thought dressing a stand-in in the whole box and dice of the robes he was wearing would have been mandatory. Just to see the physical constraints of the moment.

  185. Mitch M.

    We observe the current hate network rapidly rewiring and self-repairing at the micro level when attacked, in a way that mimics the formation of covalent bonds in chemistry.

    Does any of this make sense? Zyco asks. Nope. It is scientism at its most blatant worst.
    Mention a covalent bond and you’re in. ‘Science’ to the rescue.

    We’re doomed Lizzie, this was published in Nature! What a ridiculous comparison. What shite for brains came up with that for an abstract.

    Try this, if you click on the author list a few are stated as “Physics Department”. That’s very unusual, typically the reference is a specific title. For we all know they could be administrators. I’m not going to waste my time trying to find their publications list because the few attempts I made came up blank.

  186. Eyrie

    “He did sort that odious scum Richard Carlton who was busy endangering people during the East Timor elections.”
    Best thing we could have done about East Timor was round up and shoot the communist scum who came back from Africa to run the place and give it back to the Indonesians with half a billion dollars and an abject apology.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But for the Pell trial one would have thought dressing a stand-in in the whole box and dice of the robes he was wearing would have been mandatory. Just to see the physical constraints of the moment.

    I would have thought so.

  188. Beachcomber

    Boris Johnston is preparing to weasel his way out of Brexit. He will use May’s ‘pig of a deal with some lipstick gingerly applied’.
    Britain will be a vassal state of the EU and Brits will have no say in how they are governed. They will be worse off than when they were an EU member prior to Brexit.

  189. egg_

    China is a success story in combating pollution. In the last 2 years the Chinese have increased visibility from 10 to 20 metres.

    A place where SatNavs are equally useful day and night.

  190. egg_

    Boris Johnston is preparing to weasel his way out of Brexit.

    The Greenoid girlfriend was the tell.
    Cuck.

  191. egg_

    Does Boris attend Harry’s shoeless parties?

  192. Delcon

    Roger
    #3138422, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:48 pm

    Maybe what Australia needs right now is an Emile Zola.

    Zola was a liberal.

    Where are our liberals on this?

    As Erdogan, who is slowly turning Turkey into an Islamic dictatorship, once said,
    “Democracy is like a train: when you reach your destination, you get off”, one suspects that this is how the Leftists “liberals” truly feel about the freedoms they were once promoting: it was just their way to fight conservatives and seize power. Now that they have, these freedoms are of no interest to them.
    Anyway, let me tell you, you won’t catch me referring to Leftists as “liberals”.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s office in ASIO security blunder

    Sarah Elks
    Queensland Political Reporter
    @sarahelks
    38 minutes ago August 22, 2019

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has been forced to apologise for publishing the name of a secret ASIO agent in her ministerial diaries.

    Ms Palaszczuk’s online diaries detailed a meeting between Ms Palaszczuk and ASIO boss Duncan Lewis, The Guardian reported tonight. But they also included the name of an ASIO agent, whose identity is required by law to be kept secret.

    The Premier’s May diary has since been pulled from the internet, after The Guardian alerted her office to the admission.

    A spokesman for the Premier said: “Publishing those names was an administrative error.”

    “It has been removed.”

    “We apologise and have taken steps to ensure it doesn’t happen again.”

    Opposition leader Deb Frecklington attacked the error on Twitter.

    “What an absolute disgrace, @AnnastaciaMP has compromised national security and compromised an intelligence officer who is serving our nation. A full investigation must be carried out into this farce by the @QLDLabor administration.”

    From the Oz.

  194. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    #3138393, posted on August 22, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    There is a significant body of evidence showing that the U.S. economy is strong.

    If you don’t like government debt, the US is fucked and the orange one hasn’t done a thing about clamping down on debt/ spending. It’s about time he focused on that. I take him at his word that’s what he will be doing in his second term though. But fuck me, it’s a pile of debt and he better get a handle on it after 2020 if he wins.

    He will be remembered fondly in years to come if he can tackle the debt. It is a huge contingent liability and risk. Remember we have a vested interest in the USA and China both prospering.

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shakespearian?

    Dear boy, I said Shakespearean in its scope. In its coverage.
    Not in its language, not really Shakespeare, as you like it, etc.
    You are soooooooooooooo literal that it’s punishing to hear you out.
    Ponderous always. No spark for me on the damp flint of your intellect.
    Not your fault though, so I am all sympathy for you.
    We are incompatible as bloggies. Good news for you too, eh?

    *reflection to self*
    Truth be told that’s why I scroll him. Life is too short otherwise.

    *A Shakespearean aside t’others present*
    Mrs. Numbers must be a saint of sorts.
    Just my opinion, of course.
    But then, love is blind. Look at me and Hairy.
    Our song.

    Who can explain it? Who can tell you why?
    Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.

  196. MatrixTransform

    And what “form” is mocking the death of a couple of veterans?

    the wanker is dining out on the deaths of others again?

    research I suppose.

    what a tosser

  197. Beachcomber

    The British governing elites and the BBC are showing the lumpen-proles what happens when they get too uppity.

  198. egg_

    we have a vested interest in the USA and China both prospering.

    Hopefully not collateral damage.

  199. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has been forced to apologise for publishing the name of a secret ASIO agent in her ministerial diaries.

    Ms Palaszczuk’s online diaries detailed a meeting between Ms Palaszczuk and ASIO boss Duncan Lewis, The Guardian reported tonight. But they also included the name of an ASIO agent, whose identity is required by law to be kept secret.

    Why isn’t she being prosecuted for this?

    AUSTRALIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE ORGANISATION ACT 1979 – SECT 92 Publication of identity of ASIO employee or ASIO affiliate

    AUSTRALIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE ORGANISATION ACT 1979 – SECT 92
    Publication of identity of ASIO employee or ASIO affiliate

    (1) A person (other than a member of the Committee on Intelligence and Security) shall not, except with the consent in writing of the Minister or of the Director-General, publish or cause to be published in a newspaper or other publication, or by radio broadcast or television, or otherwise make public, any matter stating, or from which it could reasonably be inferred, that a person having a particular name or otherwise identified, or a person residing at a particular address, is:

    (a) an ASIO employee or ASIO affiliate, or is in any way connected with an ASIO employee or ASIO affiliate; or

    (b) subject to subsection (1B), is a former ASIO employee or former ASIO affiliate or is in any way connected with a former ASIO employee or former ASIO affiliate.

    Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years.

    But hey. She’s not being sued by the father of a dead guy who withdrew accusations.

  200. Delcon

    Opposition leader Deb Frecklington attacked the error on Twitter.

    “What an absolute disgrace, @AnnastaciaMP has compromised national security and compromised an intelligence officer who is serving our nation. A full investigation must be carried out into this farce by the @QLDLabor administration.”

    From the Oz.

    You see these stories and wonder is it some breathtaking stupidity or evil. With Labor, who knows?

  201. Eyrie

    As for Tim Fische,. no time for him. And that arsehole Mc Cormack was just on TV claiming Tim saved lots of lives because of his gun laws. Barf!

  202. hzhousewife

    Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years.

    Yeah well, there’s one rule for them and another rule for the rest of us.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You may have gathered that Hairy has not long ago delivered me my first glass of red. 🙂

    Ms Palaszczuk’s online diaries detailed a meeting between Ms Palaszczuk and ASIO boss Duncan Lewis, The Guardian reported tonight. But they also included the name of an ASIO agent, whose identity is required by law to be kept secret.

    Whoops!!

  204. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    And that arsehole Mc Cormack was just on TV claiming Tim saved lots of lives because of his gun laws.

    What a fucking cuck. Just disgraceful and ignorant.

    Dr Don Weatherburn reversed his support of the NFA to opposition of the NFA, because of the weight of the evidence.

  205. Des Deskperson

    ‘Hey desk, there was this generational leftie former APS’er turned into a full blown leftwing retard. I can’t recall his name, ‘

    JC, is it Richard Broinowski?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Broinowski

    Third generation APS royalty, diplomat – his bureaucratic pedigree would have had nothing to do with getting that job – brother of leftist loon Helen Caldecott, husband of diplomat Alison Brionowski who wrote, after the Bali bombings, “Certainly, those Australians who didn’t know or care about how their country was perceived in Asian countries were brutally reminded that it mattered.”, father of filmmaker Anna Broinowski who is currently making a doubtless laudatory film about Auntie Helen.

    A smug little infestation of ‘progressive’ hereditary entitlement Broinowski is still seems to be the ABC’s go-to man on matters of ‘security’, something that must piss off the likes of Clive Williams

  206. pete m

    Tim Fischer was a gentleman who showed he cared about his protection officers, one of the few who did. He always checked they were good for breaks, food, drink etc, and had genuine chats with them. He also tried to stick to 1 big policy area he felt would make a difference to his constituents.

    Sure the gun thing was something he should have pushed back on, but Howard left him little choice under the coalition agreement.

    To make him the scapegoat is rough.

  207. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    “Certainly, those Australians who didn’t know or care about how their country was perceived in Asian countries were brutally reminded that it mattered.”,

    Once again, St Dennis Leary:

    Two words, Nuclear fuckin’ weapons!

  208. Cassie of Sydney

    “father of filmmaker Anna Broinowski who is currently making a doubtless laudatory film

    The same Anna Broinowski who made a film lauding North Korea and its government a few years ago.

    Even vomiting on these people is too good for them.

  209. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The same Anna Broinowski who made a film lauding North Korea and its government a few years ago.

    These people are literal Nazis.

  210. Eyrie

    “To make him the scapegoat is rough.”
    Bullshit. Fischer was wholeheartedly behind Howard’s gun laws as shown by his public pronouncements.
    He didn’t believe in trusting ordinary Australians.
    And why in hell did he need “protection officers”?

  211. JC

    Desk

    No it’s a bloke or these days he could once been a she. It’s a bloke now though 🙂

  212. 1735099

    As for Tim Fische,. no time for him. And that arsehole Mc Cormack was just on TV claiming Tim saved lots of lives because of his gun laws. Barf!

    Walter Mikac has a very different opinion, as do most Australians.

    62% believe Australia’s gun laws are about right and 25% think they are too weak. Only 7% think they are too strict. 42% of over 65’s think they are too weak. Otherwise, views were quite consistent across demographic and voting groups.

    (2018 Essential polling).

  213. Sure the gun thing was something he should have pushed back on, but Howard left him little choice under the coalition agreement.

    Tim Fischer killed off the National Party instead.
    The only thing to do was walk from the coalition.
    Fischer didn’t have the balls of McEwen.
    The conservatives lost state government at the very next election, everywhere they brought in gun control.
    The vote plunged so badly in NSW the (remains of) the National Party 2 years later was seriously considering reversing their policy on guns – coz of the electoral wipeout they were looking at.
    McCormack is a Liberal.
    The Liberals have never been any good without the Nationals to pull them into line.
    Fischer failed to pull Howard into line.

    Fischer’s legacy: Destroyed his party.
    A workaholic & dedicated Trade Minister, alas he deserves to be remembered alongside Quisling, Petain, et al.

  214. Delcon

    On Sky News now Darren Hinch refers to Pell as “the Pedophile Priest”.
    Apparently, the idiot has maintained a file on Pell for 20 years. Huh?
    The child abuse allegations were only made a few years ago, after Vic Police started openly soliciting for them.
    How could you have a file on Pell for 20 years? Guy is full of shit.

  215. Walter Mikac has a very different opinion, as do most Australians.

    They’d probably have convicted Pell too.

  216. Delcon

    On Sky News now Darren Hinch refers to Pell as “the evil child abuser”.
    Apparently, the idiot has maintained a file on Pell for 20 years. Huh?
    The child abuse allegations were only made a few years ago, after Vic Police started openly soliciting for them.
    How could you have a file on Pell for 20 years? Guy is full of shit.

  217. Of course Fischer was nice to his protection officers.
    His life depended upon their Kung Fu skills.

    I mean.. they weren’t armed with guns .. were they?

  218. Delcon

    Darren Hinch complains that for the High Court to uphold Pell’s appeal would be to dismiss the opinion of the Chief Judge of the Appeals Court (Anne Ferguson?) that the victim should be believed.
    Yes, because she is an idiot, as are you, Hinch.

  219. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Apparently, the idiot has maintained a file on Pell for 20 years. Huh?

    He’s a blowhard. He also banged a 15-year-old when he was 30.

  220. mh

    Aussies batting first.

    No Smith, so the Australian batsmen need to stand up.

  221. Tel

    If you don’t like government debt, the US is fucked and the orange one hasn’t done a thing about clamping down on debt/ spending.

    As debt to GDP ratio the USA crossed 100% back in 2012, got to 104.6% when Trump took office and then peaked at 105.2% in late 2016. After that it has come down a tiny bit to 104.4% latest figure Q1 2019.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S

    Obama spent almost his entire term in office expanding debt to GDP massively, and Trump has seen it very slightly reduce.

    As for deficits, the really big deficits as percent GDP were 2009, 2010, 2011 and although Trump has not been wonderful in this regard he is still less than half of those bad years. You have to look at this somewhat in perspective.

  222. Des Deskperson

    ‘Desk

    No it’s a bloke’

    JC, The one I’m talking about is a bloke – Richard Broinowski – he fits your profile and he is a right piece of work, as is his sister, his wife and his daughter.

    On the other hand, it could be John Menadue, although he was a Labor and more precisely Gough mate rather than public sector royalty. Menadue publishes a blog – Pearls and Irritations – clearly aimed at reinforcing the prejudices of geriatric ‘progressives’ like himself . He won’t print anything – article or comment – that might upset them.

  223. rickw

    It’s extraordinary. Numerous people have said the same to me. It’s very concerning thing if the HC doesn’t reverse this abortion.

    That’s Australian’s, happy to gloat over someone getting screwed, then next minute whining like little girls when they get screwed in the same way.

  224. 1735099

    The link doesn’t support that statement. Have a bit (sic) testicular fortitude and admit to your mistake/dishonesty.

    My statement –

    The rate of blood cancer amongst Vietnam veterans is two and a half times that for a control group of individuals of same age and demography not exposed to dioxin.

    Perhaps you can’t read.
    From the study –

    The AFHS included former US Air Force personnel who participated in Operation Ranch Hand (Ranch Hand veterans) and other US Air Force personnel who had similar duties in Southeast Asia during the same time period (1962 to 1971) but were not involved in herbicide spray missions (comparison veterans). Agent Orange was used by the US Air Force personnel who conducted aerial spray missions of herbicides (Operation Ranch Hand) in Vietnam from 1962 to 1971. We included 479 Ranch Hand veterans and 479 comparison veterans who participated in the 2002 follow-up examination of AFHS.

    And

    Using stored serum samples obtained from USAF personnel who conducted aerial herbicide spray missions of Agent Orange in the Vietnam War from 1962 to 1971 (Operation Ranch Hand) and controls, we screened 958 veterans for MGUS and found the prevalence to be 2-fold higher among Ranch Hand veterans. The cohort status was significantly (P 10.92 ppt), illustrated most obviously by the increased percentage of men with TCDD levels greater than 10.92 ppt in the Ranch Hand veterans (47.5%) relative to those in the comparison veterans (2.5%). The MGUS prevalence was 2.43-fold higher (95% CI, 0.92-6.44; P = .07) among veterans with TCDD levels greater than 10.92 ppt compared with veterans with TCDD levels of 3.65 ppt or lower. Our findings of increased MGUS risk among Ranch Hand veterans supports an association between Agent Orange exposure and multiple myeloma.

  225. Boambee John

    Shakespearian?

    Predictive text catches the seagull out agsin?

  226. rickw

    62% believe Australia’s gun laws are about right and 25% think they are too weak. Only 7% think they are too strict. 42% of over 65’s think they are too weak. Otherwise, views were quite consistent across demographic and voting groups.

    All about feelings and delusions, never about facts……

  227. JC

    Thanks Desk

    Give me some time. I’ll figure it out.

  228. mh

    Sorry, I didn’t realise it’s pissing down again in the UK.

  229. mh

    JC, do you know many females called Richard?

  230. Leigh Lowe

    Des, was it Alison Brownoseski who said “the Sari Club reeked of sweat, drunken foreigners, and smoky air jagged with Strine”?
    You know, drink and smoke and speak with your native accent and you deserve to be blown to bits.

  231. JC

    Got it, Desk

    Greg Jericho.

    Whatever happened to that idiot?

  232. JC

    mh

    I may do , but first why do you ask?

  233. Mater

    Operation Ranch Hand veterans are not indicative of ‘Vietnam veterans’. That would be like saying that the F-111 Fuel Tank Maintenance workers are representative of all RAAF aircraft mechanics.

    That study does not show that VV’s are two and a half times as likely to get blood cancer. It shows that those who worked with concentrated dioxin continually, are 2.4 times more likely to get MGUS.

    FFS, Bob, the control group they used were VV’s. They are more representative of the ‘average VV’ – YOU!

    Surely this is good news? You can now relax and let your blood pressure come down.

  234. Leigh Lowe

    Delcon

    #3138488, posted on August 22, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    Darren Hinch complains that for the High Court to uphold Pell’s appeal would be to dismiss the opinion of the Chief Judge of the Appeals Court …

    Yeah.
    And?
    That is why it is called the High Court, goose.
    What a fuckwit.
    Hey, let’s have a High Court, stack it with the best lawyers in the land … but no overturning the decisions of lower courts, OK.
    But this theme will build over the coming weeks. That is, Pell appealing is causing “victims” to suffer, so don’t.

  235. 1735099

    Surely the good news?

    This study, and many others, shows a link between Agent Orange exposure and a range of blood cancers.
    You claim that is “good news”.
    What’s your definition of bad news?

  236. Leigh Lowe

    Did Hinch have a view on the legality of a 70 year old jumping the liver transplant queue on the back of a promise to give up the piss?
    Then falling out of a taxi?

  237. Black Ball

    Evening was going well, flicked over from the rugby to the cricket which soured my mood somewhat. Warner AND fucking Mitch Marsh flashed across the screen. Time for more drinkeys.

  238. Mater

    This study, and many others, shows a link between Agent Orange exposure and a range of blood cancers.

    I never said there wasn’t a link. I don’t know. What I did say was that you were using figures and facts which are not supported by the data in the link you provided.
    There is a difference between ‘supporting an association’ and ‘two and a half times’ the risk. If you merely said that there appeared to be a link, I wouldn’t have even commented.

  239. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Darren Hinch complains that for the High Court to uphold Pell’s appeal would be to dismiss the opinion of the Chief Judge of the Appeals Court …

    Chris Merritt, pointing out in the Oz, that a “growing” number of decisions of the Victorian Court of Appeal are being overturned in the High Court.

  240. Steve trickler

    Check this out. 👌



  241. notafan

    Is that what the high Court always does when it overturned to decision of a lower Court?
    What a dummy.

    Give that man an elephant stamp

    lol

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