Open Forum: September 21, 2019

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  1. zyconoclast

    Dems Cook 10,500 Steaks While Lecturing Americans About Eating Less Meat

    Several Democratic presidential candidates will be attending an annual steak fry event, despite lecturing Americans about the need to eat less meat because of climate change.

    The organizers of the Iowa Polk County Democratic Party’s annual steak fry will be grilling 10,500 steaks and 1,000 vegan burgers on 10 grills, during Saturday’s event. Some of the candidates will grill steaks themselves.

    Democratic candidates recently participated in a CNN climate town hall, where multiple candidates discussed the importance of reducing meat intake. Sen. Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) called for the U.S. government to create incentives to eat less meat.

    “As a nation, we actually have to have a real priority at the highest level of government around what we eat and in terms of healthy eating because we have a problem in America,” Harris said. “But there has to be also what we do in terms of creating incentives that we will eat in a healthy way, that we will encourage moderation and that we will be educated about the effect of our eating habits on our environment.”

    Andrew Yang said he would “modify Americans’ diets over time” by increasing the price of beef to the point where Americans would buy less meat. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) and Mayor Pete Buttigieg are also in favor of adding a meat tax in order to decrease consumption.

    Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.), who is a vegan, said “this planet simply can’t sustain” people eating meat.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Wedding. Where you get paid as an altar boy, and in later life unknowingly enter into a financial management plan which has ‘benefits’ including less sex, eating more and being dragged to markets on weekend mornings instead of sleeping in and watching the teev.

    “A wedding gives the bride the ultimate excuse to ride in triumph, around the social circle of her friends, work colleagues and relatives.

    The groom serves, admirably, as the horse.”

  3. Rex Mango

    Barristers can’t really pick or choose their cases, as they obey the cab rank rule. Like the wild west they are guns for hire.

  4. JC

    The Øresund is more than 100 meters across and besides that, the other side is Sweden not Germany.

    Did you see the map I posted? Take another look. That small splinter waterway divides the city. The other side is NOT Germany nor is it Sweden.

    The Swedes and Danes have been whacking one another across that stretch of water since prehistoric times but it’s also been a major trade route. If they had it in their heads to work together against the Germans, they were in an excellent position to do so. Like I say, they had 6 months to get their shit together, and more than that if they had been reading the tea leaves a bit. Even while Chamberlain was signing treaties he was also upgrading all the arms industries as a precaution. There was a pan-European arms buildup starting around 1937, so the Scandinavians at least had time to load a cannon or two.

    Okay, so you agree now that naval support would have been useless and the Danish could not have built a navy in 6 months.

    What’s next?

  5. JC agrees his initial history post is fake-news.
    JC agrees he is wrong, the correction he received is accurate, & he has now rectified his blooper.

  6. Oh come on

    the Dutch fought really hard in WW2 and the Danes were pathetic

    Oh, okay. Happy to stand corrected, but this is not widely regarded as a historically important distinction – is someone selling a book or something?

  7. None

    I thought I recognised the traces of a Moral Compass in you, Knuckles So you’re a country lad as well then? Mr N was a boarder, altar boy, the whole lot ( got better coin playing footy though. Wasn’t a bad cricketer either). He has no time for namby popes either. As he’s quite a horseman he does well with dames and crusades.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think you have a professional obligation not to act like that when you do meet the star quarterback.

    I take your point. But it is easy to be swept up in the moment.
    Little fish in a big pond stuff.
    At least he did get in one political question.
    Others may not even have managed that.
    Or if suffering TDS they may have been aggro rude, which is worse.

  9. JC

    OCO, you see this

    “Oh, no, I could do the job, but one of you guys would have to carry that for me.”

    The fire truck made a visit, but it just doesn’t quite make it to the level of a blog entry.

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    The Swedes knew better than to take sides in a European conflict.

    The last time they did was in the Thirty Years’ War between 1618 and 1648 causing a 33% drop in that continent’s population. Charles XII, far and away the best Swedish warrior king since the Vikings took advantage of the instability and decided to hack away a bit of Europe for himself, but lost it all and the whole country ended up fucked.

    They were happy with their neutrality, and traded their excellent weaponry with both sides dependent on which trade routes were open. There was no incentive to save any of Denmark from anything.

  11. Arky

    If you combined AI, flying cars and robotic super factories, and found a low- regulation jurisdiction to unleash it, you could change the world.

  12. Seems to be quite the night for the Cat to talk of prostitutes & prostitution:

    Barristers can’t really pick or choose their cases clients, as they obey the cab rank rule. Like the (ladies of the) wild west they are guns for hire.

    (FIFY)

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mr N was a boarder, altar boy, the whole lot ( got better coin playing footy though. Wasn’t a bad cricketer either). He has no time for namby popes either. As he’s quite a horseman he does well with dames and crusades.

    Aha, None. So now I’m well primed on Mr. N. He can come to arvo tea too. 🙂

  14. JC

    Socrates at the Pub
    #3164425, posted on September 22, 2019 at 11:53 pm

    JC agrees his initial history post is fake-news.
    JC agrees he is wrong, the correction he received is accurate, & he has now rectified his blooper.

    What we all agree on is that Driller is dishonest, dissembling ignoramus. He blushes when telling the truth, he’s so fucking dishonest. He needs to go pour drinks.

  15. Tel

    Scoot across? How, by scooter?

    Lol, the Vikings raided the whole of Europe from Ireland to Russia to Normandy. They terrorized a continent for 100’s of years. They laid siege to Paris in 885 AD by slipping up the Seine. Paris FFS! How the heck could Viking raiders pop up in Paris? By scoooooooter? No, by boat!

    They dropped in and visited America around 1000 AD. Yeah, that America.

    These Northmen have a grip on the idea of boats and sea travel … they get around. Transport would not have been a problem for them.

  16. Knuckle Dragger

    I keep telling you this None. You’re thrown off track by the facial scars, tatts and missing teeth.

    I have a golden rule. Never try and chat up, let alone take home a chick you know to be married or hooked up.

    Also, chicks dig scars.

  17. None

    I heartily recommend SNS nails, Lizzie.

  18. None

    Thanks for the invite Lizzie, but we respectfully decline.

  19. What we all agree on is that Driller is dishonest, dissembling ignoramus. He blushes when telling the truth, he’s so fucking dishonest. He needs to go pour drinks.

    You’re very lucky I’m under a pseudenom.
    JC’s nickname, should it be “NYT” (to recognise his inability to get facts right) or perhaps “Tim Lambert of the Cat” (in keeping with his standard of accuracy), or even “Goose JC McSwansteen”?

    So difficult when JC provides such a target-rich environment.

    Btw, in a pleasant twist from the usual “I surrender”, does anybody happen to know the Italian for “Fake News”?

  20. MatrixTransform

    I do have a problem with you sharing aspects of your intimate life

    Then shut the fuck up about what you think you know about anybody else.

    their sex lives, their thoughts, and especially your idiotic commentary on what anybody may think, feel, say or do.

    you disgusting specimen

  21. Oh come on

    I saw, JC. And I concur. It wasn’t category 5. Or category 4. It was a strong gust, but not really blowing hard.

  22. None

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3164437, posted on September 22, 2019 at 11:59 pm

    I believe that you eould honour your golden-rule, kKnuckles. And I would agree that chicks dig scars. Missing teeth, not so much.

  23. None

    Matrix, I think you already let slip enough about your opinions of women, and your language as well suggest to me that if you ever had a wife, she might have cause for complaint.

  24. jupes

    These malicious turds will win if nobody speaks up for the SAS. It’s an eminently winnable campaign given the respect held for these men in Australian society.

    And yet the person best placed to do so, the only former member of the SAS in parliament, has just joined the other side.

    Sad.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    Tel,

    The Vikings, as good as they were (and they were) did not have the hindrance of being strafed by Messerschmitts, bombed by Stukas and sunk by U-boats.

    That’s why Crete was so isolated from all sides, except sporadically from the Egyptian one, between 1941 and 1944.

    There was nothing for Sweden to gain by entering WW2. In 1940 they had the Russians battering Finland using sheer manpower on one side, hundreds of thousands of Boche in Norway on the other and a chance to remain neutral and make some money to boot.

  26. MatrixTransform

    When I look over my shoulder
    What do you think I see?
    Some other cat looking over
    His shoulder at me
    And he’s strange, very very very strange

    You’ve got to pick up every stitch
    You’ve got to pick up every stitch
    Beatniks are out to make it rich
    Oh no, must be the season of the witch
    Must be the season of the witch, yeah
    Must be the season of the witch

  27. JC

    You’re very lucky I’m under a pseudenom.

    You’re luckier, that I am dickhead.

    JC’s nickname, should it be “NYT” (to recognise his inability to get facts right) or perhaps “Tim Lambert of the Cat” (in keeping with his standard of accuracy), or even “Goose JC McSwansteen”?

    He’s certainly not blushing now. More lies and dissembling.

    So difficult when JC provides such a target-rich environment.

    Driller hasn’t won an argument on the net since 2007.

    Btw, in a pleasant twist from the usual “I surrender”, does anybody happen to know the Italian for “Fake News”?

    Dunno, but what is it in redneck speak Driller? Go pour drinks dickhead. The banks aren’t going to lend you even if you point a gun at the bank manager.

  28. Oh come on

    Fair enough, Lizzie. It’s a very good notch on the belt to have interviewed a US President.

    On another matter – please keep chumming the waters for Johanna. However, we’re gonna need a bigger boat when she does turn up, you realise.

    (And I know you don’t post to attract Johanna’s ire. It is a happy by-product, though. No one does irascible like Joh!)

  29. Tel

    Did you see the map I posted? Take another look. That small splinter waterway divides the city. The other side is NOT Germany nor is it Sweden.

    Yes I saw it, but that’s simply the city itself. The Germans can’t get to either side without a sea crossing. There is no connection South of Zealand to get to Germany without putting troops in a boat and sailing them across.

    If the Germans went the long way around through Jutland and from island to island there would have been plenty of bottlenecks on the way to hold them back.

    The Dutch put up a little bit of resistance, the Danes put up none at all. The Dutch were in a less defensible position because they are connected to mainland Europe.

  30. Rex Mango

    KD, not sure the Swedes didn’t pick sides, I got taught they sold the Norwegians down the river big time and did everything but allow the bowheads to march through their neutral country.

    Agree barristers and whoring have lots in common. Legal Aid was set up in the seventies to stop crims committing crimes Friday arvo in order to pay their barrister, who like a lady of the night, demanded cash up front.

  31. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘missing teeth’

    Hey, you should see the other guys.

  32. Oh come on

    Did Stevie just try and make a series of funnies above? How extraordinary.

  33. MatrixTransform

    And somehow you think the words you type are special.

    you are one strange old maggot

    but you’re right, my language is indeed less temperate than most others here.

    you jaw saw yet ?

    … stupid question

  34. JC

    Lol, the Vikings raided the whole of Europe from Ireland to Russia to Normandy. They terrorized a continent for 100’s of years. They laid siege to Paris in 885 AD by slipping up the Seine. Paris FFS! How the heck could Viking raiders pop up in Paris? By scoooooooter? No, by boat!

    They dropped in and visited America around 1000 AD. Yeah, that America.

    These Northmen have a grip on the idea of boats and sea travel … they get around. Transport would not have been a problem for them.

    Okay, but explain with the assistance of the map I provided showing there’s about 100 meters of water channel splintering the city why the Germans required their navy to invade Denmark when they share a common border.

  35. None

    Agriculture and food are among the most attractive sectors for Chinese investors in Australia, a KPMG specialist says.

    and yet our fucken superannuation funds I’m pouring money into ponzi schemes propped up by subsidised renewables. This is how the Germans kept most of Europe under their thumb during the Nazi occupation. They bleed their agricultural sectors dry.

  36. MatrixTransform

    and yet our fucken superannuation funds I’m pouring money into ponzi schemes propped up by subsidised renewables. This is how the Germans kept most of Europe under their thumb during the Nazi occupation. They bleed their agricultural sectors dry.

    …and did I mention today or yesterday that … all men are bastards?

  37. Rex Mango

    About to go to bed, but re the Vikings, the great mystery is how they could conquer so much territory and vanish, bit like the Mongels.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Yeah, I guess so Rex. Neutral in name only, and certainly made a dollar or whatever it’s called there flogging steel and weapons to the Chermans.

    I think (but will stand corrected) too, that some of the last of the Kriegsmarine and freighters/troopers headed for Stockholm just ahead of the Reds, who were rolling up the Baltic coast.

  39. None

    Hey, you should see the other guys.

    No need. Not looking. I will just take your word for it

  40. None

    Matrix take your meds and go to bed.

  41. Tel

    The Norwegians had the benefit of Vidkun Quisling helping to defend the country.

    Oh wait … he was actually helping the Germans take over the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

  42. JC

    Yes I saw it, but that’s simply the city itself. The Germans can’t get to either side without a sea crossing. There is no connection South of Zealand to get to Germany without putting troops in a boat and sailing them across.

    At the shortest points it 10K across max. Taking nearly all of Denmark and then bombing the city island into submission would not have been much of a job.

    If the Germans went the long way around through Jutland and from island to island there would have been plenty of bottlenecks on the way to hold them back.

    Tel, there’s always bottlenecks and bullshit.

    The Dutch put up a little bit of resistance, the Danes put up none at all. The Dutch were in a less defensible position because they are connected to mainland Europe.

    Really, you think the dutch were less defensible being closer to France and the UK. Now, you’re being silly.

    Lets move on, who do you think behaved with more courage after the invasion?

  43. MatrixTransform

    Matrix take your meds and go to bed.

    listen d1ckhead recycling jokes made by Stimp at you, with 12 hrs, is disallowed in the Catallaxy Constitution.

    Same with the word ‘sanctimonious’ … I’m sorry witchy-poo, you’re not allowed to use that either.

    actually while I’m at it … try some original thinking instead of regurgitating other people’s work

    I believe I’ve said it before … you’re not very good at this are you?

  44. BrettW

    Regarding the SAS in Afghanistan what did senior command think was going to happen?

    The Special Forces guys were doing multiple rotations to Afghanistan and Iraq starting in late 2001. The incident involving Ben RS was in 2012 so that is 11 years of operations. He and others probably done several tours, many involving intense combat situations. They have seen mates killed and wounded. They were not fighting a traditional enemy wearing a uniform but one that looked just like the locals who often were on their side.

    I understand in some cases they risked their lives, based on intelligence, to capture targets such as bomb makers only for those guys to be released. Then they would be briefed again, do another raid later on, and lo and behold find out they were picking up the same target again.

    The Special Forces have carried the burden of the operational deployments going back to 20 years ago with Timor. The politicians and Defence HQ have been happy to rely on them out of all proportion to their size within the military.

    There appear to be two views of this. Geneva convention / legal side which is must be investigated and prosecuted. Other view is what happened in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan. Call me old fashioned but I have no support for anything that results in any of our soldiers being charged with anything. However does not matter what I think as the investigations well underway.

  45. Oh come on

    Tel, genuine question. What are you trying to say about the Danes? That they could have done a better job defending their country from invasion? Okay, well maybe so. Ditto the French x 1000. It’s not really such a big deal, is it, given the course of the war? Alternatively, are you saying that there was a malign intent in the Danish leadership playing their hand badly? That they were tacitly ok with a [email protected] takeover? As that may be a bit more controversial.

    Not saying you’re wrong but I wonder why you’re fighting this seemingly ill-contested corner.

  46. Tel

    Okay, but explain with the assistance of the map I provided showing there’s about 100 meters of water channel splintering the city why the Germans required their navy to invade Denmark when they share a common border.

    The two halves of Copenhagen are irrelevant … forget about them.

    Copenhagen is on an island, fully surrounded be sea .,.. the island is called Zealand. You need a ship to get there (actually today there’s a bridge, but it didn’t exist in WWII and anyway a long narrow bridge over sea is useless during a war).

    Germany shares a border with Jutland … and that’s not connected to the capital.

    Denmark is a nation made of many islands. Their capital is on an island.

    F/M/D

  47. Oh come on

    Tel, was the Wikipedia link really necessary? I think everyone knows about Quisling. Coincidentally, his name means ‘traitor’!

  48. MatrixTransform


    just sayin’

  49. jupes

    Okay, but explain with the assistance of the map I provided showing there’s about 100 meters of water channel splintering the city why the Germans required their navy to invade Denmark when they share a common border.

    I can answer that. I spent a couple of days in Copenhagen a week or so ago, so now consider myself an expert.

    The 100 m gap would not have been considered a maritime obstacle, however the Boxheads would have needed some method to cross the 18 km sea-gap from Jutland (the mainland part of Denmark with a common border with Germany) and Zealand (the island were Copenhagen is located).

    JC you mentioned before that Copenhagen consists of two islands with a 100m gap between them. I asked a tour guide about that and the Danes disregard that small gap and consider the eastern island as part of Zealand. A lot of the land and water ways there are man made – check out the star shaped island – and were maritime defenses from previous centuries. They wouldn’t have been much use in WW2.

  50. jupes

    Incidentally my tour guide a bloke aged about 30 was totally cool with the 25% VAT and 49% personal income tax. He loved the welfare state.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    The Frogs in WW1 were much more recalcitrant than their counterparts 20 years later. Verdun as a case in point. Rommel was a machine-gun company commander there, and his experience guided him towards armour and mobility rather than trench warfare.

    In 1940 it was a different story. Had their chances to hold and stave off, much like the Marne in 1914 but they didn’t.

    One of the 7th Division, 2nd AIF’s biggest early fights was against the Vichy at Dog River in Syria in 1941.

  52. None

    Matrix it’s usually egg that disintegrates into some paranoid blubbering mess. I see you suffer from the same affliction. Go to bed, you misogynist.

  53. JC

    You need a ship to get there (actually today there’s a bridge, but it didn’t exist in WWII and anyway a long narrow bridge over sea is useless during a war).

    The furthest point is about 12 K. You don’t require ships. FFS, Most of the county’s land area borders with Germany. It’s population was at the time around 3.5 million. Once the main part was gone, Germny did not need to invade. All they needed to do or would have done is bomb the living daylights out of the city until they caved. There was never any possibility for the Danes to hold out.

    Again, their behavior after the invasion was truly courageous in lots of ways. The same can’t be said about the Dutch.

  54. MatrixTransform

    I dunno how you guys know so much about Holland and the war etc.

    Do know a guy named Yack .
    Guess the nationality ?
    oh FFs then guess where he was born and raised before hitting our shores

    Jacky boy, is missing several toes.
    Apparently because … lawnmower

    I joked, “Mate wtf … mowing the lawn in yr clogs?”

    Ja says Jack … I vos.

    …he also had a Bull terrier missing several teeth

    true, true … I swear

  55. JC

    I can answer that. I spent a couple of days in Copenhagen a week or so ago, so now consider myself an expert.

    I was there in June. Did you like it? We didn’t all that much. We visited friends there and they took around a little bit, but I found it a so so place. The airport was truly fucking chaos. The management of people getting through was the most chaotic I’ve ever experienced including US airports and that’s saying something. Big surprise for a Nordic country.

  56. MatrixTransform

    Matrix it’s usually egg that disintegrates into some paranoid blubbering mess. I see you suffer from the same affliction. Go to bed, you misogynist.

    everybody here reads the same text you retard

    … nice pony by the way

  57. JC

    The 100 m gap would not have been considered a maritime obstacle, however the Boxheads would have needed some method to cross the 18 km sea-gap from Jutland (the mainland part of Denmark with a common border with Germany) and Zealand (the island were Copenhagen is located).

    Yea sure. I don’t think though once the bulk of the country was gone to the Germans, there was any hope for the island carrying the capital. It was done and there wasn’t much of a need for a navy.

  58. jupes

    I was there in June. Did you like it?

    It was interesting but pretty exe. I won’t be rushing back. Airport was okay both in and out though.

  59. Tel

    Tel, genuine question. What are you trying to say about the Danes? That they could have done a better job defending their country from invasion? Okay, well maybe so.

    JC is trying to say that the Germans could simply drive to Copenhagen (which was impossible at the time). I’m saying the Danes had many opportunities to defend at very least their capital, and very good opportunities if they had spent their time getting Norwegian, Swedish and British naval support. They lasted two hours and the German boats that sailed into Copenhagen did not even take a single hit.

    Alternatively, are you saying that there was a malign intent in the Danish leadership playing their hand badly? That they were tacitly ok with a [email protected] takeover? As that may be a bit more controversial.

    That’s hard to say, Hermann Göring had a Swedish wife, and some connections into the Swedish nobility so perhaps they were reluctant to defend Denmark because of that. Norway seemed mostly disorganized but also perhaps somewhat sympathetic. The Danes on their own without other support would have lost (but two hours is still pathetic). Why the Scandinavians were unable to cooperate and defend against German aggression is unclear. There’s no physical reason that would have prevented them.

  60. Oh come on

    In WW2, the Krauts were not big on strategy. They expected a long campaign in France, but it was shockingly brief. They had previously seen the Soviets get pantsed in Finland. They took all of this and surmised Barbarossa would be a short campaign. ‘General Winter’ wasn’t the decisive factor that many now view it as – the Germans knew what the Russian winter was like from their experience in WW1. They didn’t prepare for it because they expected to have the whole thing wrapped up before winter became a factor.

  61. Tel

    It’s gotten a bit late for me, unfortunately still needing to work for a living.

  62. Oh come on

    And German logistics sucked. Supply lines too long, too many horses dying on muddy tracks, not enough trucks and those they had spent too much time broken down on those same muddy tracks, or trains and train lines. A lot of bottlenecks. A different gauge, too, IIRC.

  63. JC

    JC is trying to say that the Germans could simply drive to Copenhagen (which was impossible at the time). I’m saying the Danes had many opportunities to defend at very least their capital,

    No, I didn’t. I’m saying they had no chance of defending it unless they wanted to be bombed and dead.

    FFS, the population was 3.5 million.

    But , do you agree or disagree with the characterization post invasion comparing the Danes and the Dutch?
    Another snippet, after the war, when the few hundred Dutch J”’ws remaining went back wanting some recognition and in lots of cases their property returned, they were told to fuck off.

    Here’s another point. By and large the Dutch were actually complicit with the Germans.

  64. Oh come on

    Nighty night Tel. I’m just waiting for the Ambien to kick in so I can go on a crazy Roseanne Barr-type tweet storm!

  65. Arky

    Some fuckwit general on Fox wanting to bomb Iran.
    Jesus, the pricks never give up do they?
    There must be a special place in hell for these homicidal traitors constantly wanting to degrade what Trump has built up.

  66. JC

    There must be a special place in hell for these homicidal traitors constantly wanting to degrade what Trump has built up.

    Trump’s playing this really cool. Keep letting them make the mistake of naked aggression while continuing to tighten the screws on them economically more and more each day.

  67. Arky

    Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, now Iran.
    Does it ever end? What has any of it achieved other than millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, billions thrown away, decades of stagnation and tens of thousands of dead and damaged soldiers?

  68. max

    Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates. We’re a pawn.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Tel, genuine question. What are you trying to say about the Danes? 

    Some Danes are OK.
    Dane Swan, for instance, is a funny dude.

  70. JC

    What has any of it achieved other than millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, billions thrown away, decades of stagnation and tens of thousands of dead and damaged soldiers?

    Saudi is about 12% of the world’s oil supply. If the Iranian’s knock it out what should the US do?

  71. Arky

    If the Iranian’s knock it out what should the US do?

    ..
    Let the market do the job of bringing alternatives online.

  72. Arky

    For the money spent on these wars you could have commissioned god knows how many nuclear plants.

  73. JC

    For the money spent on these wars you could have commissioned god knows how many nuclear plants.

    But electricity doesn’t run our cars. Letting the market decide is a reasonable argument.

  74. So JC “Goose McJCsteen” agrees he fucked up.
    Or were you lying?

    JC posted that Denmark held out longer than Netherlands.
    JC (the “New York Times”) now concedes that Netherlands held out about 60 times longer than did Denmark.
    JC was wrong – as usual.

    “Tim Lambert” or “Tim Dunlop”? Which should he be renamed?

    And yeah, you piece of undeodoranted female genitalia, you’re fortunate I’m under a pseudenom, very fortunate.

  75. Arky

    It placed the cost of the war operations in Iraq as of January 1, 2014, at $815 billion out of the total $1.6 trillion approved by Congress since September 2001

    ..
    The total projected cost of the new Vogtle reactors now tops $27 billion, more than double the initial estimates when they were approved in 2008.
    ..
    So that is actually 30 modern nuclear power plants for the cost of one stupid war.

  76. Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates. We’re a pawn.

    +1

  77. Arky

    Sorry.
    That is 60 nuclear power plants.
    There are two of them at Vogtle.
    Fuck me, you could give half the planet nuclear power for the same cost as the Iraq war.
    What do you think that would do for the price of oil?

  78. Arky

    In 2014, the share of world energy consumption for electricity generation by source was coal at 41%, natural gas at 22%, nuclear at 11%, hydro at 16%, other sources (solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, etc.) at 6% and oil at 4%. Coal and natural gas were the most used energy fuels for generating electricity.

  79. Arky

    So 25% of world electricity is generated with oil or gas.

  80. Re the comparisons above betwixt the Scandis & the Low Countries;
    The Danish resistance during the occupation wasn’t exactly on a par with the Maquis. To be fair to the Danes they had only flat country & pretty near nowhere to hide.

    The paucity of the Netherlands resistance was not helped by every last agent dropped into Netherlands to facilitate the resistance being captured by the Gestapo, & then forced under extreme duress to transmit, sometimes for years, as if all was well, bringing agent after agent to drop to their doom.

    Staying behind, as in the example of the Belgian Royal Family, is not necessarily a sign of resistance, but of total capitulation & cowardice.
    The Belgian Royal Family believed there was no way in hell anybody could beat the Hun, & scarpering to England to form a govt in exile would serve only to make things much worse when the Blitzkrieg rolled up the UK in a few months time.
    … better to surrender now & hope for more favourable treatment, than to be caught continuing the fight from UK & face the Hun’s exponentially increased wrath.

  81. Arky

    Around 20% of world energy is used for electricity.
    20% x 25% = 12.5%
    Which more than compensates for your 12% from the Saudis.

  82. JC

    So JC “Goose McJCsteen” agrees he fucked up.
    Or were you lying?

    There’s never any reason to lie, dickhead. You haven’t won an argument since 2007.

    JC posted that Denmark held out longer than Netherlands.
    JC (the “New York Times”) now concedes that Netherlands held out about 60 times longer than did Denmark.
    JC was wrong – as usual.

    “Tim Lambert” or “Tim Dunlop”? Which should he be renamed?

    Except I didn’t say Danes held out longer. This is exactly what I said.

    The Dutch remained neutral in WW1. Unlike the Danes who demonstrated real bravery, the Dutch gave up 36.76 minutes after the Krauts attacked in WW2. They gave up their J**ws more than any country in Europe and sadly but also incredibly, more Dutch J**ws were gassed – (included in the comparison were German J**ws). Unlike the Danish Royal family, who stayed behind and did what it could to protect their threatened minorities, the Dutch royals took off like jack rabbits to Britain for protection.

    As i keep saying, the only time this sack of worthless shit would blush is if he ever told the truth.
    The Danes were brave. They were brave after the invasion.

    And yeah, you piece of undeodoranted female genitalia, you’re fortunate I’m under a pseudenom, very fortunate.

    You redneck misfit, your threats don’t do a thing. All you’re good for is making ethnic slurs and lying and dissembling. Go clean the toilets you dickhead. You don’t have the balls to ever post under your real name. As I said, you can’t borrow any money because no one would lend to you seeing the way you comport yourself here. Now fuck off.

  83. JC

    Around 20% of world energy is used for electricity.
    20% x 25% = 12.5%
    Which more than compensates for your 12% from the Saudis.

    Arky, oil is almost 100% used for transport.

  84. Arky

    Therefore, if the reason for all these wars was to prop up the saudis in order to maintain low oil prices, it would have been cheaper to simply build free nuclear reactors in markets currently using oil and gas for electricity production.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    Arky, oil is almost 100% used for transport.

    Except in South Australia where acres of diesel generators are propping up renew-bulls.

  86. Beachcomber

    Prominent MP Andrew Hastie, a former SAS Captain and Afghan veteran, along with two SAS insiders, called on the Australian public to back the work of the defence force Inspector-General who is investigating alleged war crimes.

    WTF!! Even Hastie is now a Liberal Party swamp parasite! Is there any way that the UniParty can be resisted?

  87. Arky

    Even if assume gas can’t be substituted into transport, you can still take out the 4% of the oil used in electricity generation.
    Either way, you have to admit the price has been high, the lead in time has been long, and tge decisions made have been shit.

  88. WTF!! Even Hastie is now a Liberal Party swamp parasite! Is there any way that the UniParty can be resisted?

    Unless Hastie knows bluddee well that the IG is going to come up no-trumps.

  89. JC

    Re the comparisons above betwixt the Scandis & the Low Countries;
    The Danish resistance during the occupation wasn’t exactly on a par with the Maquis. To be fair to the Danes they had only flat country & pretty near nowhere to hide.

    Dickhead is now a geographical expertologist. A good portion of Holland is under sea leavel. Is the country flat or is it more like an alpine state? STFU Driller.

    The paucity of the Netherlands resistance was not helped by every last agent dropped into Netherlands to facilitate the resistance being captured by the Gestapo, & then forced under extreme duress to transmit, sometimes for years, as if all was well, bringing agent after agent to drop to their doom.

    Driller’s drunk. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

    Staying behind, as in the example of the Belgian Royal Family, is not necessarily a sign of resistance, but of total capitulation & cowardice.

    The Danes stayed behind.

    The Belgian Royal Family believed there was no way in hell anybody could beat the Hun, & scarpering to England to form a govt in exile would serve only to make things much worse when the Blitzkrieg rolled up the UK in a few months time.

    and the Danish royals believed otherwise? FMD.

    … better to surrender now & hope for more favourable treatment, than to be caught continuing the fight from UK & face the Hun’s exponentially increased wrath.

    Does the dickhead realize there actually were forces from the invaded countries in the UK?

    There was no country :

    1. That gave so many of its j”ws away to be gassed as the Dutch.

    2. There was no other country that had so many volunteers in the SS as the Dutch. Holland was too all intents on the German side of the war.

    Driller, go pour drinks. You aren’t teaching anyone anything. You’re just a drunk loser.

  90. Arky

    We should have been pushing ahead with nuclear for decades.
    Would have short circuited these climate loons too.

  91. JC

    We should have been pushing ahead with nuclear for decades.
    Would have short circuited these climate loons too.

    We’re frozen. The public has been frightened stiff about nuclear for the past 40 years.

  92. Arky

    A lot of transportation can be electrified as long as you are not relying on renewable crap.

  93. JC

    Massive losses by the Dutch. Yuge. Courageous lot, Driller.

    During the four-day campaign, about 2,300 Dutch soldiers were killed and 7,000 wounded, while more than 3,000 Dutch civilians also died. The invading army lost 2,200 men killed and 7,000 wounded.

  94. Arky

    We’re frozen. The public has been frightened stiff about nuclear for the past 40 years.

    ..
    We are. But the market is global.
    For your purpose you don’t care if a reactor and electric train line is built here or in the Sudan.

  95. JC

    A lot of transportation can be electrified as long as you are not relying on renewable crap.

    The capital losses would be enormous. You’d need to ditch current transport for the electric. Junking all that good capital equipment and consumer transport would cost tons not to mention having to buy the new stuff.

  96. Does the resident NYT fake-newser have a quick opinion on the Luftwaffe losing more than 600 aircraft in the taking of Netherlands. (That’s more than 100 per day, you innumerate boor)
    Helpful will be a quick mention of any country that managed a similar feat.

    (Btw, does anybody know the Italian for “courage” – then again, who needs it when “Surrender” works so well)

  97. Arky

    20% x 25% = 12.5%

    ..
    long day.
    50%x 25% = 12.5%
    Doh!

  98. Beachcomber

    Socrates at the Pub at 1:42 am

    Unless Hastie knows bluddee well that the IG is going to come up no-trumps.

    Well, I hope you are right. But even so, all that tearing-up for the media, playing for approval and forgiveness. He was SAS and he should keep his mouth shut about whatever they may have been required to do.

  99. He was SAS and he should keep his mouth shut about whatever they may have been required to do.

    Precisely!
    (I wouldn’t say I’ve swung around to Benjamin Law’s point of view on Hastie – but it goes to show you never know who your allies – or enemies – will be tomorrow.)

  100. Arky

    The capital losses would be enormous. You’d need to ditch current transport for the electric.

    ..
    You are thinking in a static way.
    The world isn’t static. The problem is ongoing, and these guys are going to keep on advocating mid east wars into the future.
    The more of the world you can nuclearise and electrify from now on in the better.
    Should have started decades ago.
    You go into a country you want allied to you, you offer to build a reactor, you offer technicians to help run it, you draw up the contracts, and by the way, you know that problem Russia or China is giving us? We expect your vote in the UN.

  101. Natural Instinct

    NY Times before the State visit

    Mr. Trump is fickle about his foreign allies, but he shares common ground with Mr. Morrison, who became prime minister on a populist platform and won an unlikely election victory, to the shock of his political opponents, but not to Mr. Trump, as he likes to remind the world.

    Familiar victory stories aside, there are few signs that Mr. Morrison’s visit will come with the bromancey language Mr. Trump used last year to play up a personal fondness for Mr. Macron. “I like him a lot,” Mr. Trump said of the French president during his visit that April, adding, “He is perfect.” And all signs point to a low-key visit rather than the flashy one by the Macrons.

    No idea.
    .
    How about this as the Headline for the main story – after the dinner

    In Shadow of Ukraine Scandal, White House Hosts Second State Dinner of Trump Era

    And some more objective reporting

    As a more damning picture of Mr. Trump’s conduct with Ukraine came into focus, both men made efforts to keep it from overshadowing the ceremony, capping off a day full of announcements of sanctions against Iran and a small troop deployment to the Middle East with a state dinner that resembled a cross between a Mar-a-Lago patio gathering and a black-tie political rally.

    That was just for some late night fun – now it is time for bed.

  102. JC

    Does the resident NYT fake-newser have a quick opinion on the Luftwaffe losing more than 600 aircraft in the taking of Netherlands. (That’s more than 100 per day, you innumerate boor)
    Helpful will be a quick mention of any country that managed a similar feat.

    The Germans didn’t actually lose 600 planes. The number was much smaller as the count also includes those that were damaged. And the point is what, General Driller? That after 4 days of fighting, they gave in and then joined the Germans to a large extent?

    What’s the point?

    Eichmann, who organized the deportations of the J**ws throughout Europe from Berlin was satisfied: “rollten am Anfang, dass man sagen kann, es war eine Pracht.” (“In the beginning you could say that the trains from the Netherlands were really rolling; it was quite wonderful.”)

    I bet he thought it was wonderful, what with all that help and assistance from the indig.

    (Btw, does anybody know the Italian for “courage” – then again, who needs it when “Surrender” works so well)

    Ask Riccardo Bossi that question and do it in person, you redneck spiv. Bankruptcy suits you Driller. 🙂

  103. RobK

    JC,
    My father was a Dutch resistance fighter. There were many poorly organised resistance efforts. It’s true that the armed forces were poorly trained. My father said most of those in uniform were lucky to have fired 5 live rounds during training. It’s also true that the police etc capitulated early. An uncle smuggled a cart load of radios out of the Phillips factory. My father was captured running info on german troop positions to uniformed troops. He spent some several years in dachau and and its surrounding work camps. He escaped just prior to the end of the war and met with Americans who took him with them to liberate dachau. He could speak 6 languages by then and the yanks were keen to have witnesses to the camps. He managed a number of sabotage events whilst serving forced labour with a death sentence. The germans did pay 2 cheques for $3000 in the early 2000s for forced labour. He also had a resistance pension in the 80s after showing where he and his accomplice had stashed some weapons (which amazingly were still there).
    Holland was woefully ill prepared for war and most everyone knew it. I have little doubt your claim of the dew count is correct.
    My father went on to be trained in Britain as a commando and served in Prince Bernards Stoottroepen, served in indonesia, then as a civil servant in dutch new guinea.

  104. Arky

    Well, the numbers might not exactly stack up for nuclear v oil.
    But the point stands: it has been a bloody expensive and horrifying couple of decades, and as far as the hawks are concerned: there is no bloody end in sight.
    The cost being equivalent to at least 60 nuclear plants should underline the opportunity costs of this strategy.
    Please God let Trump stand firm.

  105. JC

    RobK

    All believable about your father and you should be absolutely proud of him. He obviously forms part of the 5000 who were part of the Resistance.

    The point is this though. Nearly all of the rest 8 million less 5000 = 7,995,000 didn’t cover themselves in glory. With your father being part of the Resistance, 25 joined the Waffen SS and a disturbingly large number sided with the Germans.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    Regarding electric transport, the trick is to store energy tobe delivered on demand.
    In an internal combustion engine the storage is a tank of hydrocarbons.
    In an electric car the store is a bank of batteries.
    The contents of a 70 litre tank of fuel weighs about 50 kg.
    Add, maybe 10 kg for the tank, giving 60 kgs.
    In a medium car that takes me 1,000 to 1,200 kilometres.
    What weight battery bank is required to achieve that endurance?
    The weight and volume of battery packs is a major hurdle which means that the energy source has to be way cheaperthan hydrocarbons to compete.

  107. RobK

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/27/dutch-railway-to-pay-out-50m-over-role-in-holocaust

    The Dutch railway has accepted a recommendation that it pay up to €50m (£45m) to relatives of thousands of people it transported to Nazi death camps during the second world war.

  108. JC

    An interesting tidbit

    With left screaming and hollering about the carbon to the point where they have mentally ill teenage girls doing the bidding for them….

    40%.. yes 40% of carbon emissions come from making industrial chemicals and cement.

  109. JC

    RobK

    I’m a little obsessed about the mass murder of J””ws in WW2. With the exception of Britain almost every other European country was complicit in that diabolical act. We often discuss how civilized and advanced Europe is compared to the rest of the world. This always puts a huge doubt in my mind. Maybe it’s a timing thing. Certainly, today’s Europeans aren’t complicit, but they pretty bad in lots of other ways too.

    I think those two wars last century and what occurred in WW2 has destroyed Europe.

  110. RobK

    JC,
    I think civilisation is but a thin and delicate veneer. Be mindful of the depression and previous war, many made do with very little. My father did his apprenticeship in metal trades(electrical and plumbing)just prior to ww2, for which my grandparents had to pay dearly for the privilege on a very modest income.

  111. Tom

    Eric Lobbecke (with the Paywallian Media Diary column).

  112. Tom

    DJT is loving all that free real estate in David Rowe’s head.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Tom, did the Herald Sun lead today with a reprise of the Allan McAllister era?
    “Magpie Chief Hits Out”.
    Pies President calls for resignations at Harrison House after Prelim Shock Loss

  114. 1735099

    For the ahistorical and ignorant who post here, and have no idea of how deferment worked back in the day, this Hansard of question time on Friday 10th December 1965, is a clear explanation –

    Mr Beaton (BENDIGO, VICTORIA) asked the Minister for Labour and National Service, upon notice –

    1. Has he discussed with the States the position of young men called up for national service who have entered into a bond with respect to their employment after undertaking educational courses for the teaching service or for other purposes?

    2. If so, what is the effect of national service upon such bonds?

    Mr MCMAHON (LOWE, NEW SOUTH WALES) – The answers to the honorable member’s questions are as follows –

    1. In the course of discussions which my Department has had with State Education Departments in relation to the conditions under which student teachers might be eligible for deferment of call-up for national service the effect of national service upon the conditions imposed by bonds has been considered. It has not been practicable to discuss this matter with all employers who may employ persons under bond.

    2. The position is that a student under bond to an employer will normally be eligible for deferment of call-up to enable him to qualify in his profession or calling. The period of deferment may include a period of practical work which is essential to comply with the requirements of qualification. On expiration of deferment, men become liable to ‘ call-up irrespective of any contract of employment. However, under the pro visions of the Defence (Re-establishment) Act 1965 any such contract existing at the time of call-up is suspended during the period of absence on Defence service. Under the provisions of that Act, the period of national service is not deemed to be any part of the period of employment required to be served as a condition of the bond.

    Teachers in Queensland were required to undergo a period of probation for 12 months once they had commenced teaching. In my case that period was served in 1968, so I was released for enlistment at the end of that year, although my call-up ballot was during 1967, the year I turned 20. If I had not been called up I would have had to serve a three year bond, but that was waived upon enlistment.

  115. Mark A

    Another day ruined.
    Why can’t he sleep in like other old folks?

  116. bespoke

    JC
    #3164303, posted on September 22, 2019 at 10:11 pm
    Sometimes you have to take people at there word until you figure out they’re bullshit artists. Then you don’t ever forgive.

    I live by that. To many people keep going back in the hope it may change but it only enables .

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3164328, posted on September 22, 2019 at 10:32 pm

    Bespoke, not all septagenarians are equal, dear boy. Have to stand up for myself and others here. I have a swimsuit pic of me that might change your mind,

    You have me confused with someone else. Ad thanks but no thanks.

    None
    #3164340, posted on September 22, 2019 at 10:44 pm
    Unfortunately the cloak of anonymity seems to strip people of any notion of boundaries.

    LOl! and for some any semblance a self awareness.

  117. OC:

    The weakest aspect of the German military was its logistics, not its navy. Just saying.

    Correct. While efforts were made, they were inadequate.
    Germany was set up for a ‘Lightning war’, but ‘dolf decided to stretch it out a bit.
    Overreach – it’s what Socialists do.

  118. None

    So the Communist is awake at 5 a.m. again writing his 500 words of drivel here deriding the very economic system which has provided him with the wealth and the means to access this website.

  119. None

    Does the numberwank even understand that if he owns property he is both an enabler and beneficiary of capitalism?

  120. Max:

    Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates. We’re a pawn.

    He wants to sell us a fleet of Virginia class subs.
    I want us to buy them.

  121. 1735099

    if he owns property he is both an enabler and beneficiary of capitalism?

    Does None understand that if she/he/it rocks up to Casualty in a public hospital, phones for an ambulance, or calls the state police, then he/she/it is both an enabler and a beneficiary of Socialism?

  122. bespoke

    Mark A
    #3164556, posted on September 23, 2019 at 6:17 am
    Another day ruined.

    Not for me. Numberwang stands as an example of what you become if you give into resentment and greed.

  123. Cassie of Sydney

    Oh look…..the eternal anti-Semitic turd from Toowoomba is up early….indulging in his usual morning staple of Jooo hatred….must get him going in the morning (we know what means)….I wonder how many dead Jooos he is fantasising about today. I tell ya….it turns him on.

  124. Top Ender

    I grew up in Tassie. Although heavily unionised, it was one of the most conservative places you can imagine. Now the woke brigade seem to be taking over everywhere.

    Freedom of choice in the public toilet

    Hobart City councillor Holly Ewin and partner Hera Direen at public toilets in the Hobart suburb of Sandy Bay. Picture: Peter Mathew

    Hobart will next month consider installing permanent signs in all public lavatories endorsing the right of transgender people to use men’s or women’s toilets.

    Temporary signs have already been backed by the Hobart City Council, but their implementation has stalled amid attempts to “deplatform” a women’s group from the consultation process.

    Advocates are pushing ahead with a more ambitious plan for permanent signs in all 102 toilets in the city, despite council officers recommending against it and finding it would cost $2550.

    Transgender advocates hail the moves as an attempt to change attitudes and improve safety for the “gender diverse”.

    However, some women’s rights campaigners warn it could undermine the safety of women and girls and end their right to ­female-only conveniences.

    Non-binary councillor Holly Ewin said she still hoped to achieve permanent signage, with temporary rotating posters as an interim measure.

    “This is about positive reinforcement and breaking down stigmas around trans bodies,” Ewin said.

    “Trans people are among the highest percentage of people who are most likely to get assaulted, particularly in bathrooms.

    “A lot of friends and family, and myself, have been assaulted in public spaces and public bathrooms.”

    The council has been divided over which groups to consult on the design of the signs, with trans groups opposing the inclusion of feminist group Women Speak Tasmania.

    Ewin has circulated a suggested sign, which urges anyone who thinks “the wrong person is using this bathroom” to “respect their privacy”, “respect their identity”, and “carry on with your day”, but to call security “if you feel unsafe”.

    Women Speak Tasmania spokeswoman Bronwyn Williams said the group was concerned that women and girls could be confronted in toilets by biological males.

    “We are in no way saying that all transgender women are sexual predators,” Miss Williams said.

    “What we are saying is that women have no way of knowing if a man is a sexual predator or not.

    “If I had daughters, I wouldn’t be letting them go in by themselves if this sort of policy was in place and there is a sign saying ‘if you see a man, just accept that he’s a woman and respect his identity’.”

    Ewin’s partner, Hera Direen, who describes herself as “transfem, non-binary”, said such concerns were misplaced and made offensive assumptions.

    “Trans people are suffering abuse no matter which bathroom they are going into,” she said.

    “There is this idea that we are going to assault someone. If we are in the ‘wrong’ bathroom, we get abused.

    “When we go into the bathroom that aligns to our sexual organs, rather than to our gender, there are usually people in those bathrooms that are abusers.

    “People have been attacked or raped in the bathroom that they are ‘supposed’ to be using.”

    Parks and Recreation committee chair Jeff Briscoe said he did not want to see the council “caught in a battle” over the issue.

    He personally favoured continuing to provide separate male and female toilets, while mandating that all new facilities include unisex options.

    “Women-only toilets, men-only toilets and unisex toilets is the way to go,” he said.

    It was hoped the committee, and then the full council, would make a final decision in October, he said.

    He believed Women Speak had a right to be part of the consultation process.

    Oz

  125. Mark A

    Cheating has nothing to do with capitalism.
    Cheating and graft is just that, no matter what social order one lives under.

    Ever wondered how Castro’s son became unbelievably wealthy in a dirt poor country?
    How did Chavez’s daughter became a billionaire while the people of Venezuela are starving?

  126. Crossie

    inston Smith
    #3164568, posted on September 23, 2019 at 6:38 am
    Max:

    Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates. We’re a pawn.

    He wants to sell us a fleet of Virginia class subs.
    I want us to buy them.

    It would certainly be a better deal than the one Malcolm struck with Macron while getting a lift with him on his jet. I remember Malcolm squealing with delight at the privilege and then he must have remembered the need to save Chrissie Pyne’s seat. And voila! French submarines but without the Muroroa Atoll oomph.

  127. Peter

    is both an enabler and a beneficiary of Socialism?

    … funded by capitalism, which is the natural and healthy way of the world.

  128. 1735099

    … funded by capitalism, which is the natural and healthy way of the world.

    So a little bit of Socialism is OK, so long as it’s “funded by Capitalism”?

    That’s a big call when it appears on Catallaxy, where Socialism is apparently the root of all evil.

  129. None

    Does None understand that if she/he/it rocks up to Casualty in a public hospital, phones for an ambulance, or calls the state police, then he/she/it is both an enabler and a beneficiary of Socialism?

    does the Communist leech understand that ambulance services here are private, our phone provider is 100% private, we use private hospitals etc. No of course not. The Communist Leech has spent his entire life on the public purse. Living off the sweat and the wealth generation of others. The consummate pie eater.

  130. Crossie

    Hobart will next month consider installing permanent signs in all public lavatories endorsing the right of transgender people to use men’s or women’s toilets.

    Bunging on a dress while still sporting a moustache doesn’t quite indicate a commitment to transition. To most people it signifies mental illness or ill intent. I think in most cases it’s a statement of supremacy – I’ll do whatever I want and there’s nothing you can do about it. That’ what I call toxic masculinity.

  131. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    numbers you turnip head, have you been told today? …. fark off!

  132. calli

    Solid gold from overnight:

    I can answer that. I spent a couple of days in Copenhagen a week or so ago, so now consider myself an expert.

    You’re a hero, jupes. 😄

  133. Cassie of Sydney

    “or calls the state police, then he/she/it is both an enabler and a beneficiary of Socialism”

    So according to the fuckwit dunce from Toowoomba…the reason we have a “police force” is courtesy of socialism! You just gotta laugh.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    So far Numbers has linked ABC and Haaretz, which are two far-left sites. Both stories are likely to be piles of steaming excrement, but I admit I haven’t read them. Perhaps if a more neutral source were linked I might.

    Meanwhile on Bibi, here’s a useful article on the washup of the Israel election:

    A note on Tuesday’s elections (19 Sep)

  135. calli

    Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates. We’re a pawn.

    Yes, of course we are. But a pawn in a very useful position.

    The King and Pawn Endgame is, after all, a basic chess strategy.

  136. Top Ender

    What has the Hastie story got to do with the Ben Roberts-Smith story?

    VC hero Roberts-Smith denies execution claims

    Ben Roberts-Smith, Australia’s most decorated former soldier, has furiously rejected claims aired on Sunday night by Nine Entertainment Co that he instigated a 2012 execution, claiming they are an attempt to improperly influence and official war crimes inquiry

    Nine’s 60 Minutes program last night named Mr Roberts-Smith as the alleged instigator of the murder of Ali Jan, who the program claimed was an Afghan farmer caught up in a major Australian military operation in September 2012.

    Citing two anonymous sources who, the program said, were serving SAS members, 60 Minutes alleged Mr Roberts-Smith kicked Ali Jan off a cliff then encouraged a second soldier to shoot him dead. Ali Jan was allegedly handcuffed and under confinement at the time.

    The allegation is not new, but last night’s program was the first time Mr Roberts-Smith, who was awarded both the Victoria Cross and the Medal of Gallantry, was publicly named in connection to it.

    “I categorically deny the allegations made against me in tonight’s 60 Minutes program,’’ he said in a statement. “I am concerned that tonight’s story and the previous publications by the SMH/Age are an attempt to improperly influence the outcome of the (Inspector-General of the Defence Force) inquiry.’’

    Mr Roberts-Smith said the two anonymous sources quoted on the program spoke in a way that suggested they had not actually witnessed the alleged killing of Ali Jan. “None of the witnesses on tonight’s broadcast provided any direct evidence of any sort to support their allegations,’’ he said.

    Mr Roberts-Smith said he was “appalled’’ that both he and his colleagues were being traduced in such a manner and expressed astonishment that Nine cleared the program for broadcast, given the strength of the evidence.

    “It is of serious concern to me and my lawyers that journalists have relied on such demonstrably weak evidence to support false allegations,’’ he said.

    Mr Roberts-Smith is suing Nine Entertainment Co for defamation over a series of articles that he claims portray him as a bully, a domestic abuser and a war criminal.

    The killing is reportedly the subject of a criminal investigation by the Australian Federal Police and an inquiry into war crimes being carried out by the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.

    West Australian MP Andrew Hastie, a former SAS captain and Afghan veteran, last night revealed his personal experience of how things can go wrong in war.

    On his first mission to Afghanistan he called in an air attack on approaching Taliban soldiers but US helicopters misjudged the co-ordinates and fired missiles at the wrong target. Innocent civilians were killed in the attack, which haunts Mr Hastie to this day.

    “My heart just sank, like it just dropped through the floor,” Mr Hastie said.

    “We went out there, and there were two little bodies, six and eight years old. It was obvious they were children.”

    Through tears, Mr Hastie described his meeting with the boy’s grieving family.

    “I said to the uncle ‘I’m the one who gave the order and I’m sorry’. And he said ‘I forgive you’. Big relief.”

    Full story from the Oz – no comments allowed.

  137. None

    So numberwanker owns property and he has not given it away to the poor. So a little bit of evil capitalism is good for him. I said a kind of wonder what goes through he is f***** up head as he sits in church. Probably beating his chest like a pharisee saying thank god I’m not like those capitalist turds at Catallaxy. Then again judging by his descriptions, he only attends clown mass.

  138. calli

    Thanks, Bruce.

    Wednesday Netanyahu assembled the heads of all the right wing and religious parties that form the basis for Likud-led governing coalitions. The factions unified into one right-wing bloc and agreed on principles for future coalition talks. They agreed to conduct coalition talks as a bloc, under Netanyahu’s leadership. By forming this 55-member bloc, Netanyahu created a situation where he is the only possible prime minister. Either the Blue and White Party — or one of its three factions — joins him, or Amir Peretz and Orly Levy bring the Labor party in, or Israel goes to new elections. Those are the only options.

    In other words, it’s either going to be Netanyahu or elections. It’s up to Gantz, and Peretz.

    A coaltion likely then.

    And the point re the Arab parties is well made. Who would want to be governed by people who want you gone (or dead)?

  139. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused by the Ukraine thing. Who, in the Democrat panoply, thought it would be a good idea to push this stinker? It only makes sense if they want to get Joe out of the way, but it’s a strange way of doing that given how much it trashes O’s ‘scandal-free’ Administration (hoho).

    Democrats Panic Over Biden-Ukraine Scandal As MSM Hits Full Spin Cycle

    As Joe Biden plummets in the popularity, Democratic lawmakers and the MSM have gone into panic mode after a whistleblower report of political malfeasance during a July phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky about the Biden family’s dealings turned out to be fake news.

    Since the initial report, the Trump-Zelensky call has been downgraded to remove implications of a quid pro quo – and attention is now turning to what the Bidens actually did.

    Surber puts it very succinctly:

    To protect his son from going to prison for corruption, Biden withheld a billion bucks in aid. Obama approved this. Why do you think he sent Biden instead of going there himself?

    As a way to keep black voters at home watching the tele it’d be hard to beat an own goal this bad.

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bruce of Newcastle
    #3164585, posted on September 23, 2019 at 7:09 am
    So far Numbers has linked ABC and Haaretz, which are two far-left sites. Both stories are likely to be piles of steaming excrement, but I admit I haven’t read them. Perhaps if a more neutral source were linked I might.

    Meanwhile on Bibi, here’s a useful article on the washup of the Israel election:

    A note on Tuesday’s elections (19 Sep)”

    Thanks BoN. I have spoken to people in Israel over the last few days…some who voted for Bibi and some who voted for Benny. Glick’s wash up is the most accurate. As for the Jooo hating turd from Toowoomba….the schtick with him and other left-wing parasites is basically they just want Israel to commit harikari…..they think that if Benny becomes PM then Israel will get down on its knees to the Pallies….that isn’t going to happen. When it comes to security and dealing with the terrorist sum in Gaza, Judea and Samaria…there isn’t any difference between Benny and Bibi.

    I don’t like far-right anti-Semites and I don’t like far-left anti-Semites…the only “positive” thing about those on the far-right is that they are at least more honest about their hatred of Jooos and Israel…..the far-left, including the Toowoomba turd…hide behind the mask of “oh I’m not anti-Semitic…I’m just anti-Zionist”. …which means they are exactly the same kind of Jooo haters as those on the far-right. There is no difference.

  141. Cassie of Sydney

    ” Who would want to be governed by people who want you gone (or dead)?”

    Precisely Calli…that ain’t gonna happen.

  142. Knuckle Dragger

    “I said to the uncle ‘I’m the one who gave the order and I’m sorry’. And he said ‘I forgive you’. Big relief.”

    Yeah nah.

  143. None

    I don’t like far-right anti-Semites and I don’t like far-left anti-Semites…the only “positive” thing about those on the far-right is that they are at least more honest about their hatred of Jooos and Israel…..the far-left, including the Toowoomba turd…hide behind the mask of “oh I’m not anti-Semitic…I’m just anti-Zionist”. …which means they are exactly the same kind of Jooo haters as those on the far-right. There is no difference.

    +1000

  144. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘On his first mission to Afghanistan he called in an air attack on approaching Taliban soldiers but US helicopters misjudged the co-ordinates’

    Well, that’s what Mr Hastie said.

    Because it is completely unknown in the history of warfare for officers to fuck up anything to do with maps, including navigation and such things as mortars, artillery and air support. Riiiight.

    That’s why, with very few exceptions, the diggers do it. FOs are the obvious exception.

    It’s the easiest out ever. Blame the titanic, amorphous ‘the Yanks’ for all the fuckups.

  145. jo

    I can answer that. I spent a couple of days in Copenhagen a week or so ago, so now consider myself an expert.

    I’ve peeled potatoes. I never wanted too, it stuffed up the last fifty years of my life. Just never got over it. Does that make me an expert on the Vietnam War!

  146. None

    That incident would have been investigated Knuckles. And we are probably one of the only countries in the world that even bothers. Both my parents grew up in war zones. There are no guarantees in war and yes war is chaos.

  147. Cassie of Sydney

    I still love this…..from 2010

  148. 1735099

    the reason we have a “police force” is courtesy of socialism! You just gotta laugh.

    Who pays their salaries?
    Perhaps the taxpayer does.
    You just gotta laugh.

  149. Farmer Gez

    phones for an ambulance,

    Free? Not free as far as I know.
    Someone’s taking my ambulance subscription on false pretences.

  150. None

    Numberwankrt thinks there were no police before socialism. Also, money grows on trees.

  151. bespoke

    Cassie

    I disagree with your characterization of numberwang as “SS guard” if you look at his time line it’s been one of avoiding real accountability and authority given not earnt. So maybe a teacher of the SS guards kids at most.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    Who pays their salaries?
    Perhaps the taxpayer does.
    You just gotta laugh.

    Increasingly police won’t police certain areas in Sweden because of the danger. So shops are paying for security. Protection money, basically.

    Swedish Dystopia: No-go zones hire private security firms to compensate for a lack of police (9 Sep)

    According to the Swedish broadcaster SVT, Söderhamn is one of the municipalities which has been forced to hire private security companies due to a lack of municipal police on hand to conduct adequate patrols of the city center. SVT reports that the local government has allocated funds to pay for the private security guards.

    Söderhamn isn’t the only municipality that has started doing this. Some of the most infamous no-go zones in the northern suburbs of Stockholm have begun doing the same thing. The districts of Tensta, Järva, Rinkeby, and Husby have invested approximately 70 million Swedish Krona (6.5 million euros) to hire private security firms.

    And here’s the problem:

    Swedish No-Go Zone Police Say Criminals ‘Laugh at Our Laws’ (21 Sep)

    Police working in the notorious no-go Stockholm suburb of Rinkeby have decried the situation in the area, claiming criminals laugh at Swedish laws.

    Hanif Azizi, a member of the regional police in Rinkeby, expressed his frustration with the situation in the suburb, which has become notorious for its riots and high levels of crime, Swedish broadcaster SVT reports.

    He told the broadcaster: “If you have worked for a long time to prosecute people and see that there are no consequences, that the criminals even laugh at us. It is frustrating.”

    Numbers likes to point to Sweden as a fine example of socialism. Well it’s an example all right.

  153. Farmer Gez

    None
    #3164605, posted on September 23, 2019 at 7:46 am
    Numberwankrt thinks there were no police before socialism. Also, money grows on trees.

    There were police before socialism.
    Originally payed by individuals to protect the public.
    Socialism uses public money to pay police to protect the government.

  154. Bruce of Newcastle:

    Numbers likes to point to Sweden as a fine example of socialism. Well it’s an example all right.

    The Swedes are doing it wrong.

  155. Knuckle Dragger

    Absolutely None. And we, as part of the general public would be none the wiser for it. Nor should we be.

    I really do find this whole BRS thing curious.

    The bloke (no I do not know him) is the exact opposite of everything the woke screamy manbunners and fat purple haired furry cup drinkers want to see in a male, let alone a soldier, and clearly he’s a good man in a tight spot with few if any scruples about how he gets the job done. Assuming all this is true, it should be wildly applauded.

    To use a perhaps inappropriate but apt analogy, this would be the equivalent of a bloke coming back from a footy trip and telling all and sundry how his married mate got a sly root after a sesh in an Echuca pub. It is simply not done, in this age or any other.

    Which brings me to ‘cui bono’ – who gains? I’m struggling to believe that at least two SF (or former SF) people would care that much about a single Afghani farmer/shepherd on the other side of the world who may or may not have been at least a Taliban cockatoo.

    I’m also struggling to believe that SF people in this day and age have a predilection for whinging to Canberra and external sources that a patrol commander wore the wrong socks.

    This will shake out in the fullness of time. I would not be surprised to find that cash and/or benefits is at the root of all this.

    Hypothetical. Two former SF guys. Did not directly witness the events they referred to, but heard about them from a mate of a mate (leaving aside the believable concept that blokes over-egg the pudding when telling their mates about stuff). SF guys are either non-specifically injured and left the ADF under a cloud, short of retirement and thus without pensions and other benefits OR have been publicly (in the SF world) out big-dogged by the biggest of big dogs [BRS] and are now vindictive bitches.

    And they are offered black cash from the usual sources, or ongoing benefits under the cloak of an unspecified ‘disability’ in exchange for providing voice-altered and silhouetted media-broadcast testimony that cannot be conclusively disproven – and if it is countered by statements from actual patrol members backing the BRS version, it’s all because of the ‘warrior culture’ and secrecy etc.

    Like I said, hypothetical. We’ll see.

  156. Mater

    Because it is completely unknown in the history of warfare for officers to fuck up anything to do with maps, including navigation and such things as mortars, artillery and air support. Riiiight.

    That’s why, with very few exceptions, the diggers do it. FOs are the obvious exception.

    KD,

    I don’t go in for the “Ruperts are incompetent” theory. After all, in Australia, they are drawn from the same recruiting base as the Diggers. The Officers versus Diggers thing is ‘cool’ in the boozer, but it’s a throw back to the days of the Aristocracy and is not particularly relevant in the modern Australian military

    The reason why Officers seem to ‘fuck up anything to do with maps, including navigation’, is because that is a large part of their job and they do it far more often than the OR’s. When working at Platoon/Troop level and above, most Diggers seem happy to meander along with thumb up arse. Despite the generally light hearted jokes, Kapooka doesn’t implant a GPS chip in each and every soldier. You know this.

    As for the incident in question, I think it 95% likely that Hastie gave the order but the actual process of calling in the air support was carried out by the FAC specialist in his Patrol or Troop, who would have been an OR. If that is the case (and I reckon it might have been), Hastie showed some quality in taking it for his team.

    Things go wrong, numbers gets transcribed incorrectly and guided bombs go “rogue”. War is hell.

  157. Knuckle Dragger

    Yeah, fair enough Mater. Point taken.

    I had several dodgy experiences with platoon commanders and maps back in the day, is all.

    On reflection, I doubt the same level of incompetence would be tolerated today.

  158. None

    All good questions, Knuckles and reasonable hypotheticals. Let’s put it this way: there is no market for ex SAS guys. Believe it or not many of them do it tough once they leave the ADF. In some ways it’s worse for those who have actually seen active Duty. A hell of a lot of ex SAS are working for belligerent governments overseas like in terror sponsoring parts of the Middle East. Some get into mercenary work. A smattering of them work in security and the like Another smattering are lost souls wandering around Africa or Asia. I say all that based on my own direct experience of ex SAS over the years. I’m sure someone like Riccardo would give a much fuller and more accurate picture. Ben RSR was very well looked after and in my mind a surprising pick to run a regional TV station. There are also a couple of other things about him that ring bells with me. But anyway, petty jealousies are not unknown. But I would be really surprised if the snitches were his direct SAS buddies. Time will tell.

  159. John Constantine

    Anthony Pratt opens a manufacturing plant in Ohio.

    Standing in the Midwest alongside Trump and Scomo.

    The Sky wymynsys bags Pratt for cricket, for praising Scomo and laughs off Midwest industrial workers for thinking that their sorts of jobs matter.

    They will suck Trump up, she mocks.

    Mentions Clinton crime cartel approvingly.

    Giggles hysterically.

  160. bespoke

    Rambo wasn’t a documentary neither was Lion King.

  161. None

    Crossie I advise any woman who walks into a public toilet and finds a man or a trans woman there to just scream and scream loudly. And I would never allow a child to go to a public toilet alone. That’s it.

  162. John Constantine

    Anthony Pratt significantly reduced soprano style corruption in New York City.

  163. John Constantine

    Might Ohio return to vote democrat, asks Sky.

    The chicoms are running the clock down to a democrat 2020 victory replies Sky wymynsys with approval.

    Luvs Our Chicom overlords

  164. Knuckle Dragger

    The Sky News chicky is certainly a tidy bit of kit.

    However, she’d better learn how to make scones because in five years’ time when the sole reason for her employment disappears she will need a skill to survive in the apocalyptic post-journo world.

  165. Empire 5:5

    Quite Frankly
    @PoliticalOrgy
    If @ScottPresler and a small crew of volunteers were able to clean out 50 Tons of Los Angeles trash in 9 HOURS, imagine what “millions” of kids —who took an entire day off from school on Friday— could have gotten done if they hadn’t spend their time jerking off for news cameras.
    2:32 AM · Sep 23, 2019·

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalOrgy/status/1175810206502215686

  166. cohenite

    The BRS hit job based on the testimony of a muzzie widow no doubt has nothing to do with the fact BRS is suing fairfucks for this previous hit job containing an allegation that BRS beat the crap out of an afghan boy (and bullied quote: the smaller and quieter of the two patrol members, Trooper M.) as opposed to the latest iteration involving kicking a loving, innocent afghan farmer off a cliff.

    The only thing missing is that trooper M is transitioning. This ranks with the Kavanagh allegations.

  167. John Constantine

    Hoping for chaos is Sky wymynsys, resents attempts by Trump to stand in the way of Fake Media.

    Never asks why industrial jobs are possible in the Midwest, but Melbourne’s major business is selling residency visas posing as courses in frying chicken parmies.

    Comrades.

  168. Empire 5:5

    Who pays their salaries?

    Depends which state.

    SA and Tas plod is paid by a minority of income earners in NSW and Vic. Just like their teachers.

    I agree, you really do have to laugh.

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    This bloke’s next encyclical will be entitled: Das Kapital (Part the Second)

    ROME — Pope Francis returned to his criticisms of the economy Sunday, saying that money is “dishonest wealth,” also known as “the devil’s dung.”

  170. Roger

    Police working in the notorious no-go Stockholm suburb of Rinkeby have decried the situation in the area, claiming criminals laugh at Swedish laws.

    When will they wake up to it?

    This isn’t migration, it’s colonisation.

  171. None

    Cohenite- there is definitely a witch hunt going on. Quite a number of players by the looks of it.

  172. Fisky

    Trump’s demeanour when talking about Australia seems measured, even calculated. I don’t think there’s much warmth there despite Morrison’s waffle about mateship and mates

    I’m sure Trump hasn’t forgotten our own Deep State’s involvement in yhe phony Wussia stitch-up.

  173. Mater:

    I don’t go in for the “Ruperts are incompetent” theory. After all, in Australia, they are drawn from the same recruiting base as the Diggers. The Officers versus Diggers thing is ‘cool’ in the boozer, but it’s a throw back to the days of the Aristocracy and is not particularly relevant in the modern Australian military

    And yet I found the attitude prevalent among medics and apprentices at Latchford Barracks. Someone is teaching them this, and I’ve got a fair idea who it was.

  174. cohenite

    Singleton selling out of 2GB for $80 big ones so he can buy more horses and wives, or vice-versa, leaving Australia’s only conservative radio in the hands of nein and fairfucks. Good luck with that.

  175. John Constantine

    The forgotten people are not forgotten anymore declares Trump in the Midwest, as he opens Pratt’s manufacturing plant.

    If you don’t like a job, you can get another.

    One good job now pays more than two part time jobs says Trump.

    Australia now runs an economy based on slave labour in chicom peoples liberation army factories. Outsourcing the overseers dirtiness to the chicom secret police.

    What future can a country have built on paying a Tyranny to keep its people in slavery to indulge a foreign parasite Class?.

    This new Opium war cannot end well for those that expect to eat without working.

    Comrades.

  176. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arvo tea isn’t always at ours, None. The IPA are having a big arvo tea for members and friends on Wednesday in the Gold Melting Room at The Mint. It is to drum up support for their very worthwhile project of taking the conservative message to da yoof on Australia’s campuses.

  177. Bruce of Newcastle

    Singleton selling out of 2GB for $80 big ones

    He’s always good at seeing the right time to get out.
    As soon as Fairfax bought control they were marked.
    Too many Marxists in Fairfax with too little interest in business profitability.

  178. zyconoclast

    Scotland Yard chief Cressida Dick has ruled out issuing tasers to all London Metropolitan officers despite calls for better police protection after a series of violent attacks on officers.

    “London is, I think, quite different. I don’t want to comment on what my colleagues have done and why,” she said, and went on to extol the virtues of other defensive accessories, saying: “We are putting new batons on the street that the officers prefer and work better, we’re putting Pava spray out we’re putting spit guards out.”

    “It is a very powerful bit of kit, it is also potentially a very dangerous bit of kit. You’ve got to be a really good decision-maker, you’ve got to be really fit,” she added, implying there are members of her force who may not be “really good decision-makers” or “really fit” and thus may not be suitable to carrying the weapon.

    Last year, London’s first female police commissioner planned to ban frontline policemen from using spit guards during arrests, which prevents violent suspects from spitting and biting officers, despite them being endorsed by the Home Office and the Metropolitan Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers. Commissioner Dick eventually backed down following a consultation.

  179. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Trans people who are in their drag can always use the disabled toilets. These are often quite separate, and if not then people would understand. Mental illness is a disability.

    Trans persons who look like little old ladies or shy quiet girlies can probably pass in the Ladies toots. As most of them try unsuccessfully to look like a fairy queen on a big nite out in full regalia they might be better to head for the Disabled, as their view of what it takes to make a woman would not assist their case for blending in.

  180. zyconoclast

    ‘Black bloc’ protesters spoil Paris climate march amid violent clashes

    A climate march in Paris turned violent on Saturday when anarchist “black bloc” protesters joined and provoked clashes with police, prompting the rally’s organisers to call for demonstrators to leave the event.

    After first marching with a separate yellow vest protest, around 1,000 of the hardcore radical demonstrators infiltrated the march against climate change where more than 150 were arrested, authorities said.

    Some 7,500 police were deployed for the two protests,

  181. dover_beach

    Ain’t Capitalism wonderful

    Only a few days earlier numbers was telling us ideologies don’t kill people (commit wrongs).

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    Reality really is becoming indistinguishable from satire.

    Transgender conference organisers give scholars traffic light ‘safe space’ badges to show whether they can cope with a conversation (via BCF)

    A green badge meant ‘I wish to speak with other delegates and welcome you to approach’, yellow was for ‘I will approach you if I wish to speak’ and red meant ‘I do not wish to speak with other delegates.’

    Associate professor of sociology at Oxford University Michael Biggs said: ‘To have this kind of traffic-light system simply encourages fragility.’

    Dr Biggs should change his last name to Smalls in case he triggers someone.

  183. Roger

    Useful idiot and software billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes is today at the UN Climate Action Summit in NY, where Secretary-General Guterres will call for a “full transformation of economies in line with sustainable development goals”.

    Cannon-Brookes says if we don’t act now “we’ll all be cooked”.

    I presume he flew first class.

  184. Boambee John

    Tel

    If the Germans could invade Norway, which they did at the same time as they invaded Denmark, they would have had no real problem taking Copenhagen and its island part. Or they could just have starved it out.

    By the end of the Norwegian campaign, however, most of the major surface combatants (destroyers or larger) in the Kreigsmarine were sunk or severly damaged. A side effect of this was that Operation Sea Lion was never a goer.

    The Norwegians sank a sister ship of the Graf Spee, the Blucher, in Oslo Fjord using old shore mounted torpedo tubes. The Dutch pretty much wrecked the German air transport fleet in the first day or so, but lacked the weapons to stop the ground invasion.

    The loss of the air transports impacted both on German aircrew training, a secondary role of the air transports, and the prospects of air dropped or air landed support for Sea Lion.

    All the little cogs impacted on each other.

  185. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So. If you look like a bloke, go to the gents, I say. Especially re the change rooms at the public pool. On our regular Sunday laps swim I always take care to unobtrusively note after showering that the people I am putting my undies on next to are definite females. Notices say children should let management know if they ever feel unsafe.

    Grown women though? We are supposed to welcome any intrusive ‘diversity’?

  186. cohenite

    Useful idiot and software billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes is today at the UN Climate Action Summit

    This mover and shaker and his partner and their $100 million waterside mansions are definitely worth keeping an eye on; hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are as big as they get with these 2.

  187. dover_beach

    Useful idiot and software billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes

    Get me some piano wire.

  188. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #3164655, posted on September 23, 2019 at 9:33 am

    Useful idiot and software billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes

    Get me some piano wire.

    Hope it’s to replace a broken one dover.
    Otherwise I’m shocked, never in a million years would I have expected you to utter these words.

  189. areff

    Ah, Paris! No day is complete without encountering one or other mob of malcontents marching and chanting, but this is the greatest: Black bloc, greens and yellow vests in a three-way collision.

    Tres plus magnifique (and the pen of my aunty too)

  190. Old School Conservative

    Prominent MP Andrew Hastie, a former SAS Captain and Afghan veteran, along with two SAS insiders, called on the Australian public to back the work of the defence force Inspector-General who is investigating alleged war crimes.

    The AFP are also reported to be investigating.
    Looks like a four pronged attack on VC winners. (IG, AFP, Hastie/parliament, and the public)
    My support is for the troops on the ground.
    Just a matter of looking for opportunities to show that support.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Cannon-Brookes says if we don’t act now “we’ll all be cooked”.

    I presume he flew first class.

    More likely private jet.

  192. Cardimona

    A mate sent this text earlier…

    Forgot to mention yesterday at the come and try day at my archery club a m0squ3 load of fighting aged blokes rocked up and were being rowdy [email protected]@ds in the carpark, when the lesson started one of them barked at the rest like the sergeant and they all fell in line and listened. Seems a call to arms has gone out – or at least a call to preparations, just fyi, archery is a totally white and Asian dominated sport 99.9% of the time!

    I’d suggest he tells the authorities but they’d probably just call him a ray-cist.

  193. dover_beach

    Mark A, as AoS reminds us, quoting Mencken: Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

  194. Ellie

    Apologies to Arky for my crass sheep comment yesterday. Wish there was a delete button. 😔

  195. Mark A

    Ellie
    #3164666, posted on September 23, 2019 at 9:55 am

    Wish there was a delete button. 😔

    Yeeees if there was one, this forum would consist of empty pages with the brilliant hindsight forumites have.
    Except of course numbers would fill the void.

    So I vote for edit but no delete button.

  196. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #3164665, posted on September 23, 2019 at 9:49 am

    Mark A, as AoS reminds us, quoting Mencken: Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

    True enough.👍

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Qui, areff. C’est sur le bureau de mon oncle.

    Oh, we are of an age, n’est-ce pas?

    My head too was in a Parisian spin over who was what in those protests.

  198. Gab

    Ma plume de la tante dans le derrière de Charles De Gaulle.

  199. Old School Conservative

    So Ben Roberts-Smith and/or his men not only pushed a lonely goatherd over a cliff but also shot him in the head?
    A trifle excessive.

  200. C.L.

    Prominent MP Andrew Hastie, a former SAS Captain and Afghan veteran, along with two SAS insiders, called on the Australian public to back the work of the defence force Inspector-General who is investigating alleged war crimes.

    So Hastie wants to inherit the Tim Fischer mantle as Beloved (Apologetic) MP/Veteran.
    Not a word of condemnation from Hastie on the Pelling of Roberts-Smith for more than a year.
    Gutless.

  201. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Typo. That was Oui not Qui.

    Terrible when you muck French up with typos as well as doing it to English. In my three irregularly attended years of high school I did no home except my French homework (on the train going in). The French teacher was ferocious and you risked your life for non-completion of irregular verbs. Only regular thing in my life at that time, those irregular verbs.

    Miss Bonjour Mam’zelle had all the tricks now being boot-camped back into successful school experiments today. Disadvantaged background? Work harder in that case was her philosophy.
    🙂

  202. bespoke

    So I vote for edit but no delete button.

    How about thinking before you post and live with consequences.

    And yes I do see the irony in what I just said, Mark. 😎

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    LOL Gab.

    Been wondering where you were.

  204. Diogenes

    My head too was in a Parisian spin over who was what in those protests.

    And duly reported on our local (NBN so channel 9) news as being the work of only the yellow vests with an passing mention of a climate protest going on at the same time.

    As for that reporter scum on 60seconds last night (feeding lines to his interviewee), I suggest the SAS take him and a few of his mates on a few patrols. I wonder how long it will take for them to be echoing the words of Arnaud Almaric “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”

  205. areff

    Wish there was a delete button.

  206. mh

    Singleton selling out of 2GB for $80 big ones so he can buy more horses and wives, or vice-versa, leaving Australia’s only conservative radio in the hands of nein and fairfucks. Good luck with that.

    Great move from Singleton. Let Fairfax run it into the ground then buy it again in 5 years for next to nothing.

  207. notafan

    Bunging on a dress while still sporting a moustache doesn’t quite indicate a commitment to transition. To most people it signifies mental illness or ill intent. I think in most cases it’s a statement of supremacy – I’ll do whatever I want and there’s nothing you can do about it. That’ what I call toxic masculinity.

    We can never say that we find other people’s behaviour inappropriate or offensive.

    Because government

  208. notafan

    I erroneously listened to radia news this morning

    weather is not weather

    just all climate change propaganda

    as for edit delete

    no to both

    the insufferable sophists would just love that

  209. max

    Singleton selling out of 2GB for $80 big ones

    One of the high points of last Saturday’s racing at Randwick was watching Gerry Harvey and Singo after their horse – supposedly a good thing – was beaten in one of the big ones. Two stunned millionaires who never hear the word ‘no’ any more.

  210. Fisky

    So will the UK Labour party forcibly shut down every private Izlamic school or have they not thought that far ahead?

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My send button when writing on this phone some times sends even before I am ready. Like a technological premature ejaculation.

    No. No. It’s too early to set the thread off again on that sort of thing. Fractional reserve banking, JC. Now, please.

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No edit. No delete. I’m with Notafan on that.

    You can always say sorry in the morning. 🙂

  213. areff

    There is something to be said for the French. They made Grande Bouffe

  214. Roger

    Labour in the UK votes to abolish all private schools.

    Will that include the hundreds of private Muslim schools in the UK, or will they be given a special dispensation?

    Should the Labour Party occupy the Treasury benches any time soon, that is.

  215. Roger

    Labour in the UK votes to abolish all private schools.

    Will that include the hundreds of private Mohametan schools in the UK, or will they be given a special dispensation?

    Should the Labour Party occupy the Treasury benches any time soon, that is.

  216. Ask Riccardo Bossi that question and do it in person, you redneck spiv

    So it’s not only a star wrongologist, it’s a coward.
    Anyone happen to know the Italian for “I’m a snivelling coward & need someone else to finish the trouble my stupid mouth gets me into”?

  217. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cats, do support Peter Ridd with a donation if you can. We have both previously and now. Tell your friends too. Lunatic rich lefty celebrities and financiers throw money at leftist causes. The right are not always so generous. Come on some big donors. Hop in now.

  218. C.L.

    Just saw Morrison addressing the Pratt factory/Trump gathering in Ohio.
    He really is at home in front of a rally. As much vim and swagger as Trump.
    Pretty unusual for an Australian prime minister.
    I guess it’s the happy-clapper pentecostal background:

  219. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Like, I’m calling for seriously big donors. In the billionaire range. Ridd and his wife are being put through hell over this and I agree with Lazlo from last night. Some Vice-Chancellors are so vain they will spend any amount of public money to not be shown up as a dunce. I’ve met a few VC’s in my academic life and noted that some are over-promoted and fairly weak academically. But vain. You wouldn’t credit some of the personal vanity I’ve seen around university chancelleries.

    Where is the Federal Minister for Education on all of this flagrant and self-aggrandizing cash splash of public monies?

  220. BrettW

    Ben RS’s statement regarding 60 Mins is over at MichaelSmithNews.

    He indicates he does not know and has not met two of the people interviewed. Seems odd as you would think he would know all SAS members. Did not watch the show so don’t know if they were “SAS” or from another unit. He indicates the two others whose identity was hidden did not appear to be direct witnesses to the events the show purported to be about.

    This reminds me of the much hyped Four Corners show about the Cardinal which totally failed to produce actual hard evidence. Unfortunately people I know took that show as proof of guilt without actually considering “evidence”.

  221. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And there is one hot shot silk who has just gone down a bit in my estimation for accepting this brief from JCU.

    There. That should cut him to the bone. 😀

  222. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This reminds me of the much hyped Four Corners show about the Cardinal which totally failed to produce actual hard evidence. Unfortunately people I know took that show as proof of guilt without actually considering “evidence”.

    muh feelz is da only evidensh eyes nid

  223. Diogenes

    muh feelz is da only evidensh eyes nid

    Or put in newspeak
    “the truth is much more important than facts”

  224. Tom

    He really is at home in front of a rally. As much vim and swagger as Trump.

    Trump is teaching him how to campaign and Morrison, having seen the dregs of politics up close (Trumble, Peanut Head), is an avid student. If he keeps applying the lessons of front-foot politics he is learning, he will end up unbeatable in 2022.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes, Morrison seemed very much at ease in his response speech to Trump’s in the White House Rose Garden. Even cracked a joke that got a laugh.

    We know Trump offers other amglosphere leaders good advice. Theresa May didn’t take it. Hope Morrison does, and I hope too that combatting leftist climate dogmas has been on the personal discussion table in ScoMo’s meet ups with Trump.

  226. notafan

    barristers who only take cases from honest and/or innocent clients would make a pretty poor living

  227. None

    If anyone knows Peter Ridd please ask him why he is wasting 100000 or God knows how much of other people’s money by using the gofundme platform.

  228. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Reading through the overnight comments I have a question hopefully someone can help me with.

    Much talk earlier on about Hastie and his support for the witch hunt into the SASR. Back in my day (ancient times), non-comm regulars in the SASR were there as the result of a next-to-impossible selection process. Only the best of the best made it. That was followed by lengthy, intensive training.

    However, this did not necessarily apply to officers, who sometimes were seconded from elsewhere due to having some specialist skill required by the SASR. These guys did not go through the aforementioned selection and training process.

    I’m just wondering if this is still the case, as it could go a long way to explaining Hastie’s actions.

  229. None

    There is barely a difference between a Pentecostal church service and a United States election rally. They both spring from the very same source in the States.

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