David Bidstrup on The Conversation. Tripe for dinner again!!

With a guest appearance of the disturbed highschool dropout who has become the icon of climate zombies worldwide. Hauntingly appropriate!

The other day it was reported that “The Conversation” would ban any contributor who strayed from the strict climate change orthodoxy that man is destroying the planet and emissions reductions will fix the problem.

I had never bothered to look at their website before but in the spirit of objectivity I took a look at some of the offerings.

The first, entitled “A shot of hope in the face of climate despair” starts off with,

Hope, like a slinky, springs eternal. While rage, fear and disgust are all appropriate responses to the realities of climate change (which we have explored extensively this week), we must move from despair to action.

Some of the “actions” are:

Here are four ways Australian cities can reduce their emissions in a hurry: avoid endless urban sprawl, help people shift to lower-emission options, share our cars and improve what we already have. Finally, we’re not going to get electric planes any time soon but that doesn’t mean low-carbon flights aren’t in the future.

Sounds wonderful but how do we “avoid endless suburban sprawl”? Perhaps we could force people to move to William Creek or Oodnadatta. How do we “help people shift to lower emissions option”? Subsidise electric cars and give everyone a solar system and a battery?

Share our cars? Pull the other one. Improve on what we already have? Is this code for more renewable energy and NO COAL?

More gems.

But we don’t have to persuade cows not to fart: we could feed them seaweed instead. Speaking of seaweed, farming giant kelp in the ocean can reduce ocean acidity, help delicious shellfish grow, reduce carbon in the air and also produce a biofuel that further reduces emissions if you use it instead of fossil fuels. Seaweed! What can’t it do?

Who will organise the harvest and transportation of enough seaweed to feed the national herd who happen to occupy vast swathes of the outback? Note the reference to “ocean acidity” which does not exist now and never will.


In fact, we could make Australia a renewable energy exporting superpower. We’re astonishingly well-placed to run our own country on renewables as well, with research identifying 22,000 viable sites for pumped hydro energy storage. (If you’re not clear on pumped hydro, here are five gifs we prepared earlier.)

22,000 “viable” pumped hydro sites? This is rubbish and refers to a “report” some time ago where the sites were “identified” from aerial photographs and most of them were miles away from any reliable water and miles away from where the electricity is needed. No mention of the fact that these will be nett consumers of electricity and not generators.

All of this from an “author” who was: “The Conversation’s Arts + Culture deputy section editor, before moving to the Environment + Energy section in 2017. In 2018 she was seconded to the Fact Check desk to cover the South Australian and Victorian state elections”.

Other gems include an article about how it’s all about Greta Thunberg’s voice rather than what she says:

There’s a certain poetic justice here. After first learning of the environmental crisis facing the planet, Thunberg was diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome, depression, and selective mutism, and describes herself as “only talking when necessary”. The very presence of her voice in the public sphere alone therefore signals the urgency of the climate and ecological crises. And in making her voice heard, its unique characteristics tell their own important story.

Another one reckons if all the cars in Australia were electric they could power the grid for 24 hours.

On January 18 2018 the total consumption for the day was just under 600,000 MWh. The article says Australia has 14 million vehicles so each one needs to contribute about 43 kWh. Electric vehicle battery sizes differ significantly but using the Nissan Leaf of 30 kWh it cannot be done. Maybe we can subsidise the Tesla that has 90 kWh and still have a bit left over or only require 7 million Tesla’s.

Of course the cars could not be driven while they were “powering the grid” and there is the issue of how they would be recharged ready for the next day but why let the details get in the way of a good story.

I invite those with a strong stomach to spend a little time just looking at the standard of the stuff on this site. The fact that Universities and the CSIRO are complicit in putting this rubbish out speaks volumes about the state we are in.

It’s not “The Conversation”; it is “The Diatribe”. It’s Mum telling you to eat the tripe even if you don’t like it. Serious “sceptics” should not worry about being banned from the site; they should be embarrassed to be associated with it.

Climate worriers confess their climate sins and promise to try harder.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqpckQjoGQ&w=700&h=394]

Climate activists competing for the Darwin Award.

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44 Responses to David Bidstrup on The Conversation. Tripe for dinner again!!

  1. stackja says:

    All MSM including Conversation must show action by disconnecting from the coal power grid and only use solar panels and windmills.

  2. Jim Simpson says:

    A more apt name for ‘The Conversation’ (courtesy of MikeE at The Climate Realists of Five Dock) is ‘The Sermon‘. Spot on IMHO. However, others here at Catallaxy may have better suggestions?

  3. stackja says:

    JS – Maybe ‘The Dictation’?

  4. C.L. says:

    YouTube link is down, Rafe.

  5. classical_hero says:

    This is a brilliant article from the Conversation.

    We want to learn about climate change from weather presenters, not politicians

    They just destroyed two of their most famous climate prophets with this article.

  6. Crossie says:

    Looking at the juvenile leaders of the climate strike and their speeches I am horrified by what I see. They act like spoiled brats throwing a tantrum while the adults in their orbit are rewarding rum with praise. We may tell ourselves that these kids will never be in positions of power when they grow up so their attitudes are harmless. That is a big mistake, just look who is in charge now – the spoiled brats and agitators from the 60s and the 70s.

  7. calli says:

    Lol, C. L.

    I was expecting that girl’s massive Bubble Bum to get progressively bigger. Like Kenny Everett’s Mick Jagger lips.

    And then explode Mr. Creosote style.

  8. FelixKruell says:

    The lack of self awareness that allows a site like The Conversation to censor views it disagrees with, yet claim to be a place for discussing academic papers and views, would be hilarious if not so dangerous.

    This position wouldn’t have been taken without the support of the funders of the site – including several of our most prestigious universities. No doubt similar censorship happens in lecture halls and tutorials and exam rooms every day. I feel sorry for the students attending those universities.

  9. Fair shake of the Sauce bottle says:

    Air transportation has already been solved by transmitting ourselves via the medium of television or by drinking soft drink with anti gravity properties . Seaweed farming will be easy sewing and harvesting with the indoor boat on a chocolate lake, as Professor Wonka has put proven with the science.

  10. a happy little debunker says:

    If they gave a dam about Hydro, then their squandered chances way back in the 80’s and the opportunity lost was the Gordon below Franklin.

    At that time they were too busy arguing for more coal fired power!

  11. duncanm says:

    The censorship on the Conversation is not entirely surprising, but that doesn’t make it any less frightening.

    These dullards would censor people like Barry Marshall and Robin Warren because their results on peptic ulcers don’t follow the consensus.

    Scientific my arse.

  12. areff says:

    They’re not terribly original. The noose and ice block routine is from “Ilsa, Shewolf of the SS”

  13. Rafe Champion says:

    Thanks CL the link is up now.

  14. yarpos says:

    “help reduce ocean acidity”???? WTF!? doesnt something have to be acidic , before you can reduce its acidity?

    The worlds seas and oceans are not acidic

  15. Entropy says:

    The intention of course is laid out in the CSIRO ANO2 document. By 2050 we will all be living in inner city apartments to reduce congestion, as we won’t need to use our cars. Much like European cities in fact and we will travel about on the tube or trams. We will be living a vegetarian diet as the extensive pastoral lands previously used for cattle production will be used for carbon trading. In fact half our land will be carbon traded rather than used for agriculture and the other half will be more productive. Of course.
    There will be a global carbon trading system to complement a global carbon tax. This will make renewables cheaper than coal plants, which will not be invested in. In fact the authors claim renewables are already cheaper now, but get all antsy when it is suggested that if that were true it means we don’t need carbon taxes, carbon trading, RECs, RETs and whatever fantasy taxes CSIRO and state governments also dream up.

    Anyway, the type of people that will enjoy this cosmopolitan lifestyle in the inner city will be global citizens, not these old fashioned hick Aussie types. These global citizens will be just at home living in London, Stockholm or Melbourne. In fact, the citizens of the future will be just like the authors of this crock of shit are now.
    Amazing. Also $12m of your taxes.

  16. C.L. says:

    I love the bloke in Rafe’s video (now up) who says it should take 13 hours to get to another country. I guess he means that flying should be banned and sail boats revivified as the transoceanic norm.

  17. Rohan says:

    If we have to reduce ocean acidity, then just dump a shitload of caustic soda into it. The upside is that it will create a lot of “green” jobs.

    Tim Fannery supported sending a shit load of sulfur into the atmosphere via baloons, so you know this makes sense.

  18. Rohan says:

    #3164171, posted on September 22, 2019 at 8:29 pm
    The censorship on the Conversation is not entirely surprising, but that doesn’t make it any less frightening.

    Nah, these precious petals are all keyboard warriors. First sign of trouble one-on-one and they’ll run for their blankie.

  19. nb says:

    What do we want?
    Nuclear power.
    When do we want it?

    That’s what kids will chant when they get out of school, and learn some physics at uni.

  20. billie says:

    The Swedes I know don’t speak highly of young Greta, some think her famous opera singer mother may be overcompensating for her autism by boosting her into this activist role

    But I guess only time will tell

  21. Beachcomber says:

    According to Sinclair:

    The Conversation forms part of research engagement – academics talking about their research in a non-academic environment to a non-academic audience. It also serves as a training ground teaching academics how to write for non-academic audiences and so on.

    But they’ve already been trained. Skills in Green Marxist propaganda academic-speak are pre-requisite for admission to the modern University faculty.

  22. RobK says:

    Regarding pumped storage; this from a 2013 article(posted in the past, for those who may have missed it:)

    The storage conundrum.
    When the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing, gas-fired power plants and pumped storage stations are supposed to fill the gap. A key formula behind the Energiewende is that the more green energy is produced, the more reserves are needed to avert bottlenecks.

    This is true in theory, but not in practice. On the contrary, an ironic result of the green energy expansion is that many of the reliable pumped storage stations could be forced out of the market. There are roughly 20 of these power plants in Germany, with Vattenfall being the most important operator. The plants were very profitable for utilities for decades, but now the business has become highly unreliable. Dresden is a case in point.

    So there are pumped storage facilities in germany that ran profitably for around a century but can’t make a go of it now due to renewables. But of course we can do it cheaper and better. I am not convinced it can be done economically.

  23. Up The Workers! says:

    You can tell much about the factual content of a message, by looking closely at its mode of delivery.

    The apocalyptic catastropharian dogma and rhetoric of the gerbil worming cult-religion is delivered by the likes of Indian Railway dirty-book vendors, Fat Al Bore, Flim Flannery, Bob Brown, Richard the III, Sarah Halfwit-Bung, a wagging Swedish school-kid and the resident geniuses of an Australian political Party too dumb to even spell its own name correctly.

    Yeah! They sound like a real credible bunch to me.

  24. Mother Lode says:

    So…Das Konversation banishes all contrary commentary regardless of scientific merit, but exhorts us to heed the opinion of schoolchildren (of whom, by definition, only the oldest would have a high school level of scientific education).

    And the universities endorse this.

  25. Biota says:

    You can imagine the greenie screams if a large number of dams were proposed to ensure water security and food production. But for renewable energy there would be the same silence as there is for the dead birds and bats from wind farms.

  26. duncanm says:

    Mother Lode
    #3164563, posted on September 23, 2019 at 6:24 am
    So…Das Konversation

    We have a winner

  27. Mother Lode says:

    The noose and ice block routine is from “Ilsa, Shewolf of the SS”

    I think it was meant as a tribute.

  28. Mark M says:

    Academic rigour and journalistic flair?

    It’s the vibe.

  29. Mark M says:

    They call the site the “conversation” yet they are doing the opposite of conversing.

    Oxford Dictionary says Conversation is “an informal talk involving a small group of people or only two; the activity of talking in this way”


    One view is not conversation.

  30. Rafe Champion says:

    Thanks RobK, a great link and more in it.
    That is the theme of a story I read a couple of years ago on the closure of longstanding pumped hydro projects.

  31. Nob says:

    How can new Snowy dams be built when the best prospective hydro dam sites are now covered by National Parks which were declared precisely to prevent new dams, I mean protect the unique high country environment?

  32. a reader says:

    I was in a servo in a major UK city on Friday and I heard these two mothers of school-aged students talking. I was trying not to laugh as we lined up to pay for fuel and they were trying to oneup each other on how their kids were going to do the “protest”

  33. Roger says:

    “…how do we “avoid endless suburban sprawl”?

    That’s pretty simple actually:

    Either stuff more people into dogbox apartments and row houses or radically cut immigration.

    Do you think the Australian people will be asked for their views?

  34. Mark M says:

    They’re bringing sexy back …

    Make climate fight ‘sexy,’ says Japan’s new environment minister


    ACT nudists might find it particularly tough going with September snow …


  35. Alan says:

    “But we don’t have to persuade cows not to fart”.
    We could just ensure they are eliminated instead.
    Rainfall comes and goes, but the Murray-Darling droughts were deliberate?
    Part 1 – The MDBAs Man-Made Drought?
    Part 2 – The MDBAs Zombie Water
    Part 3 – The source of the MDBA problem
    Updated Cth Environmental Water Holdings:
    31 July 2019 Grand Total = 2,847,032 [Megalitres]
    Water Act 2007 (Cth): Introduced 8 Aug 2007 by Malcolm Turnbull as Minister for the Environment
    The purpose is to eradicate agriculture and farming in Australia – because of climate change?

  36. bespoke says:

    The ‘education’ is picking up pace with life style channels doing shows on building Tiny Houses. Odd though they all seem to be on large blocks of land.

  37. duncanm says:

    ACT nudists might find it particularly tough going with September snow …


    do they know about ‘shrinkage’?

  38. Amadeus says:

    I note that some of the climate alarm zombies are suggesting we go by ship to travel across the oceans, thereby reducing CO2, etc.
    Unless I’m terribly mistaken, don’t ocean going ships use bunker oil or gas to fuel their massive diesel engines?
    The one characteristic the zombies have in common is gross ignorance. Yes, they walk among us…..

  39. Bela Bartok says:

    daughter #1’s school has a weekly newsletter that was filled with exhortations to reduce climate change:
    – kiddies shouldn’t be dropped off in a car but catch public transport (the poor princesses!)
    – no single-use water bottles
    – urge parents to buy solar panels
    – not each as much red meat…
    … all because God wants them to be good climate change warriors just like St. Francis. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    And a bunch of Year 9 students held everyone’s attention with a climate change rant directed at the local member Trent Zimmerman (who hates Catholics anyway).

    All this, then the Felicity’s and Phoebe’s will all fly with their families to Aspen for 2 weeks, leaving the Porsche Cayenne at the airport, but the pool heater and A/C will be going to keep Alphonse their pure-breed Italian Mountain-herder spaniel cool. And take selfies. And use wi-fi.

  40. Up The Workers! says:

    To Jim Simpson at 6.55pm, who seeks a more appropriate new name for the now one-sided “Conversation”…

    How about:

    “The Sound of One Sphincter Crapping”?

  41. duncanm says:

    #3164656, posted on September 23, 2019 at 9:35 am
    I note that some of the climate alarm zombies are suggesting we go by ship to travel across the oceans, thereby reducing CO2, etc.
    Unless I’m terribly mistaken, don’t ocean going ships use bunker oil or gas to fuel their massive diesel engines?


    Wiki says passenger shipping (cruise lines) work out at about 12.8 passenger mpg.

    In comparison, a 747-400 is 91 pmpg.

    So ships are about 7x less efficient!

  42. egg_ says:

    A more apt name for ‘The Conversation’ (courtesy of MikeE at The Climate Realists of Five Dock) is ‘The Sermon‘. Spot on IMHO. However, others here at Catallaxy may have better suggestions?

    The Congregation of course!
    Their Church of Climageddon will bear no dissent.

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