Tuesday Forum: September 24, 2019

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  1. 1735099

    How does this appalling demonstration of mischaracterisation honour this ‘National Service’ survivor or demonstrate historical accuracy?

    My post was a very accurate characterisation of his status – that is, someone who volunteered to serve. That puts him in the same cohort as a regular soldier, and separates him from the group (the vast majority) of national servicemen who were there because their birthdates were balloted in.
    The only “mischaracterisation” was the term I used.. Most would regard the reasons why he was where he was as more significant than what he was called, but this is Catallaxy.
    He was a volunteer Nasho (in other words, when he became of registration age, he chose to join up without waiting for the outcome of the ballot). My point was that he had a change of heart and acted on it. No doubt there were others who, faced with the obvious futility of the exercise, and the widening gap between their expectations and the reality they found in country, had similar reservations.
    What made him stand out was that he put his misgivings into action.
    His case also illustrated a point I have made before, that most of us, once in Vietnam, lost any illusions that we were fighting for freedom, which left us with the only other motive that made sense, which was to fight for each other.
    This soldier’s unit had returned to Australia, and he was posted to 7 RAR to serve out the rest of his NS obligation (which applied to volunteer Nashos in the same way as those whose birthdates were balloted in). This meant that instead of RTA with the men he’d trained and served with for around twelve months, he was posted into the company of strangers.
    It’s hard to know what went through his head, but one could surmise that he was regretting a number of things, including his original decision to volunteer, his forced transfer out of his unit, and his dislike of our operating in half platoon strength.
    I use the recount of this incident to illustrate the unique circumstances of the Vietnam debacle and its very human consequences.
    Call it an emotional appeal if you like, but it is a reflection of reality, rather than the mythological bullshit rammed down the throats of school children for decades.
    He is, not, by the way, a survivor, as he died a few years ago.

  2. Twostix

    There’s something missing in the counter attack against the biden ukraine thing.

    Yes we get told that Bidens son got a job in a Ukraine energy company. But Bolt et al curiously don’t mention the context of that, that he got that job at the same time as Ukraine was having a US state dept run coup. When Biden was vice president.

    Kind of obvious and the real smoking gun: the clinton / biden bugman class formented a coup in Ukraine and profited off it. Everywhere one looks in Ukraine at that time there were familar bugman names: podestas, bidens, clintons, etc.

    Yet Bolt et al wont mention that.

    Why? Because mainstream conservatives were complete retards about it at the time and fully and hysterically jumped aboard the pro-coup anti democracy clinton idiocracy bandwagon. Desperately hoping to relive the heady days of the cold war they vacked and supported the clinton / biden russiastalinhitler! Rhetoric.

    Which was then redirected and used to crush the first three years of Trumps presidency.

    Another good effort by conservacorp! Where ever would we be without them?

  3. mh

    The RBA knows best

    Rate cuts won’t help economy: Costello
    Future Fund chairman Peter ­Costello has brushed off suggestions that further cuts in official interest rates will help the economy.

    Paywalled at the Oz

  4. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Mu slim woman sues Virginia company, says they didn’t hire her over prayer breaks
    A request for two five-minute prayer breaks allegedly ended Shahin Indorewala’s application, she claims in a discrimination lawsuit.

  5. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    [email protected] woman sues Virginia company, says they didn’t hire her over prayer breaks
    A request for two five-minute prayer breaks allegedly ended Shahin Indorewala’s application, she claims in a discrimination lawsuit.

  6. John Constantine

    Bolta quoted Peter Costello as saying cutting rates was like competing to be the shortest Pygmy.

    No mention of NIRP.

    Go Negative rates.

    Comrades.

  7. Zatara

    Schiff reloads the gun the Dems shot themselves in the foot with.

    “We will obviously be bringing the whistleblower in…as soon as the clearance issues are resolved for the whistleblower’s counsel,” Schiff said. “The whistleblower’s testimony will help identify some other individuals to corroborate allegations in the complaint.”

    That should hilarious to watch. I’ll have to make a bucket of popcorn and ice down a few cervezas for the main event.

  8. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Go Negative rates.

    Bit hard to justify when the Big Four banks actual interest rates on loans are quietly going up.

  9. MV:

    So you vote Labor, Winston?

    Don’t fucking start on me, MV.
    I’m not in the mood for your supercilious and gratuitous advice about how to vote.

  10. John Constantine

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-military-officials-who-knew-saudi-arabia-would-fail/

    “The Houthis were only nominally Iran’s surrogates,” a military officer told me at the time, “but they were also our quiet partners against al-Qaeda.” Yet back in 2015, because of the Saudi invasion (with support from nine other Arab states), the possibility that the Pentagon could count on Houthi backing was not only off the table, senior Pentagon officials predicted that the tribe would strengthen its ties with their Shia co-religionists in Iran—something that, prior to the Saudi invasion, it hadn’t wanted to do. That’s why key segments of the U.S. military thought the Saudi invasion was a mistake.

    But that’s not how Senator John McCain saw it. McCain defended the Saudi invasion, linked it to Barack Obama’s decision to negotiate a nuclear deal with Iran, and said there was good reason that the Saudis had kept their planned intervention a secret.

    Is there anything their mccain couldn’t make worse?.

  11. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Fair enough Winston.
    Just don’t expect anything to change much.

  12. Top Ender

    Who’s running this – Richard Di Natale?

    The tribunal charged with ­reviewing the cases of failed refugees and migrants has been unable to keep up with a flood of appeals in the wake of a record number of visa refusals, creating a backlog of more than 60,000 people waiting for determinations.

    An analysis of migration and refugee cases before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal reveals there was a 257 per cent increase between July 2016 and August this year, driven by greater numbers of permanent and temporary visa refusals.

    The backlog of active cases has grown from 17,480 to 62,476 and is getting worse each month. Even if each case involved only one person, the total number of people would equal the population of Wagga Wagga in NSW or Shepparton in Victoria.

    Just need a big stamp: No!

    No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!

    See? 13 done already.

    Link

  13. John Constantine

    https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2019/09/sponsoredcontent-seven-deadly-sins-of-government-engagement/?fbclid=IwAR2J10nuVop58p5VnXKiTrKSZ_ewGAWmcYlLLsW5U6k5Oa4PSmx5O-4QKA8

    About the author: Andrew is the head of engagement at Fifty Acres – The Communications Agency and was previously the communications director for the Leader of the Greens and campaigns and strategy manager at World Vision Australia.

  14. calli

    I see that Rugby League also want to prevent a man from earning a living. By trying bullying tactics on a small Pacific island.

    The hatred is strong in these ones.

  15. John Constantine

    Thinking change happens all at once. One of the most common mistakes is thinking the complex policy reform your comprehensive report recommends should form your key asks when you meet a politician. Big reform doesn’t happen all at once so the trick is to make small, tangible requests that will help put your big reform on the agenda and build momentum for change down the road.

    Assuming support will lead to action. As mentioned earlier, politicians are time poor so even if you’ve won them over it doesn’t mean they will do anything to help. So make it as easy as possible for an MP to take action – even if it means doing all the work for them. If you want them to ask a question in Parliament or write a letter to their own party leadership, have a draft ready to give them. And if you get them to agree to take a specific action, don’t forget to follow up.

    Being afraid of looking political. The single most common and misguided sentence I’ve heard from not-for-profit organisations is that they don’t want to get political. Politics is the currency politicians trade in so the easiest way to gain leverage is to communicate the political benefit for supporting you or the cost of not. This may be as simple as reminding the politician of how many supporters you have, where they are and what you are going to tell them about each party or MP.

    Being easily deterred. It may take years to build momentum and support for change. Achieving significant policy reform is hard and vested interests may try to knock you off course so it’s important to take a long-term view and trust in your strategy. And you never know when the political planets may align to create the perfect opportunity so you have to be resilient and continue to lay the groundwork over time.

    The revolution teaching unarmed keyboard combat.

    Spoonfeed the politicians and media orcs, they are too busy to write their own speeches and media releases.

  16. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    “Asking for a friend”*

    If one consents to an assault as part of consensual sexual intercourse/interaction; and both parties may or may not have both been taking stimulants (I am not really sure about either circumstance), how can the party that lives be charged with manslaughter?

    As one can consent to an assault, the only possible crime to be charged with is murder – if murder cannot be proven then there is no case to answer.

    I cannot fathom how it is possible under NSW statute or common law.

    *…and no, I’m not on remand with bail refused.

  17. Cassie of Sydney

    “Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3168645, posted on September 27, 2019 at 7:08 am
    Fair enough Winston.
    Just don’t expect anything to change much.”

    Always supercilious, gratuitous and smug.

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    Schiff reloads the gun the Dems shot themselves in the foot with.

    He’ll have to reload it again as he just fired it into his foot. Again.

    ‘Absolutely unreal’! Adam Schiff’s ‘fictional retelling’ of the Trump call transcript was so shameless he later admitted it was ‘parody’

    Schiff knows the media won’t bother to “fact check” what he said. And then, nearly a half hour after his initial BS, Schiff felt compelled to point something out:

    Kayleigh McEnany✔@kayleighmcenany
    12:30 AM – Sep 27, 2019

    I can’t believe what I’m watching right now!

    When confronted about making up a transcript, Adam Schiff countered “it was meant to be parody.”

    This is a hearing before the UNITED STATES CONGRESS, and Schiff uses parody as a mechanism to completely misconstrue @realDonaldTrump?!

    I’ve never seen anything like what is going on in the US and Britain right now. Lies upon lies from elite lefties so blatant that the barest examination shows them to be lies. Yet the MSM takes every one of them and sprays it over the world. This effort by Schiff to manufacture to Congress and the cameras what Trump ‘really said’ is astounding.

  19. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I cannot fathom how it is possible under NSW statute

    OH&S legislation, duty of care, and all that jazz.

  20. egg_

    “If we can save the banks, we can save the world”.

    What 16 y.o. says that??!

  21. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    OH&S legislation, duty of care, and all that jazz.

    Extremely unlikely they are relevant.

  22. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    What 16 y.o. says that??!

    A puppet poppet.

  23. calli

    What 16 y.o. says that??!

    What sentient being says that?

    It’s weapons grade stupidity, yet the MSM and other commentators have lapped it up. Just Google it for hits.

    But it does prove one thing – out of the mouths of children may come a pearl of wisdom, but the rest is exactly as one would expect. Childish things.

  24. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Extremely unlikely they are relevant.

    OH&S “Duty of Care” provisions override everything except murder charges in all Australian mainland states and the NT. Don’t know about Tasmania and the ACT.

  25. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    OH&S “Duty of Care” provisions override everything except murder charges in all Australian mainland states and the NT.

    Why did I ask?

    You’re off your tree mate.

    Go to bed.

  26. None

    Top Ender
    #3168647, posted on September 27, 2019 at 7:17 am

    They should start charging for loding appeals and ban publicly funded legal aid for them. They are not Australian residents much less citizens so should not be sucking up our public resources.
    Also one should deregister a few lawyers.

  27. egg_

    I see that Rugby League also want to prevent a man from earning a living. By trying bullying tactics on a small Pacific island.

    The hatred is strong in these ones.

    Pure malevolence from the gay mafia.

  28. Zatara

    Manslaughter by unlawful and dangerous act?

    A reasonable person should recognize that the assault, agreed to or not, carried an appreciable risk of serious injury or death.

  29. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You’re off your tree mate.

    And you’re studying to be a lawyer?
    Should prove interesting down the track.

  30. 2dogs

    Interesting precedent.

    Looks like no party that controls parliament will ever again allow the opposing party a recess for their conference.

  31. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    A reasonable person should recognize that the assault, agreed to or not, carried an appreciable risk of serious injury or death.

    Thank you Zatara.

  32. None

    According to Windschuttle at Quadrant, “the choirboy … said he and his friend backtracked externally from the toilet corridor to the south transept door before re-entering the cathedral and following the internal route to the priests’ sacristy, a route Ferguson and Maxwell accepted as true [par 203]. ”

    Re Andrew Bolt’s map of the Pell procession (I am guessing Bolt is Windschuttle’s “trusted source”). Is the orange line correct?

  33. egg_

    OH&S legislation, duty of care, and all that jazz.

    Extremely unlikely they are relevant.

    Someone tried that argument re landlord and tenant – irrelevant, wrong legislation.

  34. Mater

    The only “mischaracterisation” was the term I used..

    Which term was that?

    “burned-out superannuated ex-reg”?

    He was a young National Servicemen. You know, the guys you presume to speak for. The ones who “deserve the respect given by an accurate account of history, rather than maudlin mythology.

    Keep digging, Bob. You’re done.

  35. No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!

    Top Ender: Like fun we stamp “No” on all of them.
    I’ve got more migration cases before the AAT than I can readily count.
    It is expected most of them will be a “Yes” – due to incompetence by Immi.

  36. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Manslaughter by unlawful and dangerous act?

    You can consent to an assault. What was unlawful? It would have to be a pretty extreme sex act (beyond bondage and choking) to qualify. I’m talking real depraved stuff with foreign objects and vore fetishes. Stuff which would necessitate death as part of the assault – as in I can consent to being slapped around, but not having my head chopped off.

    Drugs? What about prosecuting the whole supply chain? If you’re not coerced into taking drugs or didn’t buy them off another party, this is really tenuous, and it goes against the principle of foreseeability. Should it only apply to defendants, not those who suffer harm (consensually and of their own volition).

    A reasonable person should recognize that the assault, agreed to or not, carried an appreciable risk of serious injury or death.

    What about pro boxers who get killed?

    an appreciable risk of serious injury

    This means you cannot play any contact sport or get a woman pregnant.

    There might be more to it than my sources reveal, but given what I know, none of it adds up.

    That or the cops are trigger happy in laying charges. This is a completely different circumstance to Ben Battersby, but another example of the same spraygun attitude to prosecutions.

    If the charge changes on indictment, what a disgrace and a dishonest abuse of power to hide investigative and prosecutorial incompetence.

    Remembering I am talking about NSW. The death occurred in NSW, very recently.

    Section 18 (2) of the Crimes Act is instructive:

    (a) No act or omission which was not malicious, or for which the accused had lawful cause or excuse, shall be within this section.

    (b) No punishment or forfeiture shall be incurred by any person who kills another by misfortune only.

    Remember that the accused has been charged under s 18 (1) (b).

    I can’t see how they could collect the evidence to prove manslaughter even if that was true. This is not being plead down. This is the initial charges and being held on remand, not even a committal hearing.

  37. Mother Lode

    Bob,
    Fuck off with your emotional appeals and crocodile tears.

    I can see him there like little Greta – arms severely folded, scowl so intense his bottom lip almost touches his eyebrows, beneath one of which one eye stares fiercely while the other possessed by a furious tic, little pink dress and itchy blond wig with hair with hair braided like whips.

    The thing is – why am I not surprised he is wearing a pink dress?

  38. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3168667, posted on September 27, 2019 at 7:51 am

    You’re off your tree mate.

    And you’re studying to be a lawyer?
    Should prove interesting down the track.

    Thank god I know to look at legal authority and not make it up.

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3168669, posted on September 27, 2019 at 7:53 am

    A reasonable person should recognize that the assault, agreed to or not, carried an appreciable risk of serious injury or death.

    Thank you Zatara.

    That is not in NSW statute law nor is it supported by caselaw such as R v Taktak. Consent by the deceased party is evidence against the final test in Taktak, that of “wicked negligence”.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t know whether this was uploaded upthread but it is soooo good…..another gem from Gary Orsum…

  40. 2dogs

    If one consents to an assault …

    IIRC, there was a case in the UK during the 1990’s with similar facts, and the court held in that case that one can not consent to be assaulted.

    And certainly, the literal text of section 61 of the Crimes Act (NSW) 1900 does not envisage the possibility of consent.

  41. C.L.

    Weird, angry ‘pope’ attacks woman for doing God’s work:

    Today I felt a certain bitterness after a meeting with young people. A woman approached me with a young man and a young woman. I was told they were part of a slightly fundamentalist movement. She said to me in perfect Spanish: “Your Holiness, I am from South Africa. This boy was a Hindu and converted to Catholicism. This girl was Anglican and converted to Catholicism.” But she told me in a triumphant way, as though she was showing off a hunting trophy. I felt uncomfortable and said to her, “Madam, evangelization yes, proselytism no.”

  42. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You can consent to an assault.

    Yet again you are slithering, Dot. I have no idea if a person can consent to being assaulted.
    However I do know that under OH&S legislation a person cannot “agree” to being injured.
    It’s as simple as that.

  43. mh

    I can’t believe what I’m watching right now!

    When confronted about making up a transcript, Adam Schiff countered “it was meant to be parody.”

    2gb’s US correspondent Richard Arnold will be reporting Schiff’s lies as fact.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    There’s a poll out already on the transcript and the whistlecocker letter. Nolte is fun as always:

    Nolte: Only 43% Deem Trump’s Call with Ukraine’s President ‘Inappropriate’

    Polling shows that only 28 percent believe President Trump “committed treason” in his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and only 43 percent believe the call was “inappropriate.” In worse news for impeachment-crazed Democrats, only 46 percent of Democrats call it treason. In other words, not even a majority of Democrats are buying this manure.

    You can’t overturn a presidential election with numbers like these, and with the Ukraine Hoax, this is going to be as good as it gets for Democrats. The transcript of the phone call was supposed to be the smoking gun, but as we all saw and as this poll makes clear, there was 1) nothing smoking and 2) no gun. It wasn’t even a cherry bomb or a mouse fart.

    Oops I misspelt ‘whistleblower’. Maybe I should get Mr Schiff’s staff to help me with such things.

  45. Zatara

    46 percent of Democrats call it treason.

    Dem politicians love to rile up the public by using BS inflammatory terms such as “Treason”.

    As they well know, or certainly should know given most of them are lawyers, the US offense of Treason requires that the country be at war.

    Using that term is totally horseshit in this context. But it sure sounds juicy and convincing when shouted out while pounding the table and raising the rabble.

  46. cohenite

    Winston Smith

    #3168609, posted on September 27, 2019 at 6:01 am

    Cohenite:

    But the true end will be some orange uniforms for swamp dwellers.

    I’m beginning to wonder about that. It’s been a long time since President Trump gained power and how many of these swamp dwellers are in the clink?

    Yes, I was wishful thinking. Things are not looking promising. But Trump was right, the media was and still is his opponent and is the enemy of Western values. Without the implacable lying opposition Trump has faced from the msm since he became POTUS Trump would win 2020 with every state.

  47. Empire 5:5

    Twostix
    #3168636, posted on September 27, 2019 at 6:53 am

    #Crowdstrike

  48. bespoke

    “Treason” is just one of the many words totally debased by the Left and Right. But hay! it feels good.

  49. None

    Gary Orsum…thanks so much for introducing us to his work, Cassie. I cracked up at this vid. Very clever. And confession: that was also the first time I have heard the Thunberg speak. I am calling it: she is a total fake.

  50. Tel

    As they well know, or certainly should know given most of them are lawyers, the US offense of Treason requires that the country be at war.

    The USA is officially at war. They declared war against terror if you remember, and so long as any American citizen is terrorized by anything at all they remain at war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

    According to a report by the Congressional Research Service, published May 11, 2016, at that time the 2001 AUMF had been cited 37 times in connection with actions in 14 countries and on the high seas. The report stated that “Of the 37 occurrences, 18 were made during the Bush Administration, and 19 have been made during the Obama Administration.” The countries that were mentioned in the report included Afghanistan, Cuba (Guantanamo Bay), Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Iraq, Kenya, Libya, Philippines, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.[15]

    All purpose war powers? You bet!

    Treason charges also require an understanding of who the “enemy” is … and that might be difficult to narrow down.

  51. None

    I felt uncomfortable and said to her, “Madam, evangelization yes, proselytism no.”

    Look I am not Catholic so I am not up with all the Catholic mumbo jumbo, but I never had any problems understanding Benny. So can someone please explain to me what the fuck is Franky on about?

  52. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Thank you Zatara.

    I’m not sure that case is relevant other than the Court defining the rule. The problem is the rule has no context and does not address consenting to an assault.

    The case involved alleged criminal negligence by the respondent in the driving of a front end loader which ran over and killed a 13 year old boy.

    Which is nothing like a consensual sex act between adults. Nor was it an unlawful AND dangerous act (presumably, then it would be constructive murder given the circumstances).

    I reviewed the case law. An off hand reference is made to R v Taktak. Royall v R is instructive. As noted in the judgment, the section specifying the indictment has been repealed in NSW.

    At [40] A description of an act as dangerous requires consideration of whether a reasonable person would have realised that he or she was exposing another to an appreciable risk of really serious injury.

    What I am disputing is if two parties are engaged in consensual sex. Unless it is obviously dangerous (it becomes murder). My problem is that it is bad public policy (and illogical). This means no contact sport and so on. Now if I can consent to possibly dying in a football match, why not during weird sex?

    I don’t think the circumstances regarding Ostrowski v Palmer and Wilson v R as applied in R v Lavender can be applied in this sex manslaughter thing.

    The reason being because there is consent and that in the lower court, Giles JA even goes so far to say that the law should punish deaths even WITHOUT foreseeability, this was supported by the High Court. This should not be relevant because there is no relevant duty of care (unlike when driving a front end loader). Hell, I think that is an awful little gem we now have in the common law – arguably NSW has absolute liability for negligent manslaughter. Just absurd. The High Court should be asked to review its own decision.

    I think SO FAR on the facts at hand it is simply death by misadventure. Sure the guy might be guilty as hell but the police have either not really collected much evidence or are really keeping mum about this.

    That’s my point as well. If the facts change (lover actually started beating his deceased partner) then it becomes murder which can be plead down to voluntary manslaughter.

    However I do know that under OH&S legislation a person cannot “agree” to being injured.
    It’s as simple as that.

    That is simply not relevant.

  53. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Another thing.

    I can’t square the circle from R v Taktak and “gross negligence” like in R v Lavender [2004] NSWCCA 120.

  54. Mother Lode

    There’s a poll out already on the transcript and the whistlecocker letter. Nolte is fun as always:

    The BBC is saying that the White House tried to hide details of Trump’s call to Ukraine.

    Trump released the transcript almost as soon as suggestions of impropriety were made, but apparently was also trying to hide stuff. Well it can’t be the call itself.

    My suspicion is that the AFR paint-monkey Rowe is the whistleblower, and his explosive new revelation is that Trump called Zelensky in the nude. With Boris Johnson and ScoMo also there. Nude. And a giant sow with Brexit painted on the side dropping dollops of shit labelled ‘Supreme Court’. The sow is, of course, nude. Pelosi is outside giving lollies to children with a beatific visage. Neither she nor the kids are nude.

    By way of proof he has 27 artist’s impressions.

    Oh, and after the BBC yesterday told us that the stock market was trading normally, apparently overlooking the risk of Trump’s impeachment (as opposed to having decided there is no risk – successful stock traders would not ignore risk but appraise it), today the ABC is telling us that the stock market is jittery over the prospects of an impeachment.

    “Hey, is that true? Or did you hear it on the ABC?”

  55. dover_beach

    People do foolish things to harm themselves including prostitution but to make it a crime is just an easy way out and boost government power.

    Not at all. The laws in SA prohibit soliciting in public, pimping, and procuring.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey, I agree with Iran about something!

    Iran’s Rouhani backs moving UN out of New York to a ‘better’ country

    Tehran would be excellent. Every female staffer in black bags, no booze, no sex. It’d be great!

  57. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Prostitution laws are obsolete.

    100,000 Australian university students are signed up to Seeking Arrangement.

  58. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/dating/sugar-babies-100000-aussie-students-have-signed-up-to-find-a-sugar-daddy/news-story/b2874068fc3df08d20b8e7dae88ac9c4

    Maddison is a 27-year-old student at UNSW studying a four-year course in Events Management and Marketing.

    She says, “My motivation for finding a Sugar Daddy was purely financial to help cover my cost of living and school fees. I wasn’t struggling to buy food or pay rent though; this is for things I want like jewellery, makeup and designer brands.

    “Yes, I was very nervous registering my details for the first time but within a week offers were pouring in. I’ve had three Sugar Daddies. I’m currently seeing one man whose 45 years old and lives interstate. He’s older looking but still handsome. I see him on a weekly basis. I only meet for $600 plus. We often go for dinner and we’re very affectionate when together.

    “I don’t love him and he doesn’t love me; we both know what we want out of this relationship. He has asked me to only see him as an exclusive Sugar Daddy, which I happily agreed to.

    “It’s the same as any other date; I wouldn’t agree to sex unless I wanted to. I’ve said no to sex and never had an issue.

    How is this not prostitution?

    What it is, is extortion.

    Extortion from not seeing a poundmetoo accusation.

  59. 1735099

    He was a young National Servicemen. You know, the guys you presume to speak for. The ones who “deserve the respect given by an accurate account of history, rather than maudlin mythology.”

    Perhaps if you concentrated on actually reading my posts instead of assiduously collecting them, you might not shoot yourself in the foot quite as frequently.
    Then “superannuated reg” comment was directed at some who post here, probably including your good self.

    I don’t presume to speak for anyone except myself.
    The truth is often a threat to those whose minds are atrophied by cliche and myth..

  60. Tel

    If anyone is curious the European Court of Human Rights gave an each-way answer on the death of Sergei Magnitsky.

    * There was good evidence of tax evasion although he can’t be found guilty now that he’s dead.
    * There was a good reason to lock him up without bail because he would have been out of there very quickly if he had half a chance.
    * His accusation of corrupt officials only turned up after he was already in trouble for tax evasion.

    This part supports the Russian government story. Then the ECoHR also found:

    * His treatment in prison was quite brutal.
    * His could have been saved if he got medical treatment when he asked.

    This part makes the Russian government look bad, but does not make, Bill Browder look good either.

    As Craig Murray points out, this is normal for Russian prisons which have been bad places for many centuries and it’s entirely possible some of the officials really are corrupt.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-magnitskiy-myth-exploded/

    One likely explanation is that prison guards regularly shake down prisoners for what they can get and when they discovered Sergei Magnitsky knew all the details of a large hedge fund and business enterprise, they smelled gold and went for it.

    Putin has to some extent cracked down on this kind of corruption in Russia but it’s huge and it might be many generations before it gets cleaned up, if ever.

  61. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #3168706, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:02 am

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/dating/sugar-babies-100000-aussie-students-have-signed-up-to-find-a-sugar-daddy/news-story/b2874068fc3df08d20b8e7dae88ac9c4

    Maddison is a 27-year-old student at UNSW studying a four-year course in Events Management and Marketing.

    She says, “My motivation for finding a Sugar Daddy was purely financial to help cover my cost of living and school fees. I wasn’t struggling to buy food or pay rent though; this is for things I want like “happy merchant gems set in gold”, makeup and designer brands.

    “Yes, I was very nervous registering my details for the first time but within a week offers were pouring in. I’ve had three Sugar Daddies. I’m currently seeing one man whose 45 years old and lives interstate. He’s older looking but still handsome. I see him on a weekly basis. I only meet for $600 plus. We often go for dinner and we’re very affectionate when together.

    “I don’t love him and he doesn’t love me; we both know what we want out of this relationship. He has asked me to only see him as an exclusive Sugar Daddy, which I happily agreed to.

    “It’s the same as any other date; I wouldn’t agree to sex unless I wanted to. I’ve said no to sex and never had an issue.

    How is this not prostitution?

    What it is, is extortion.

    Extortion from not seeing a poundmetoo accusation.

  62. 1735099

    Using that term is totally horseshit in this context. But it sure sounds juicy and convincing when shouted out while pounding the table and raising the rabble.

    Wasn’t it Fatty 5D* who used it first in the context of how traitors used to be treated “when we were smart”?

    *Trump has a weight problem and was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times.

  63. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Now if I can consent to possibly dying in a football match, why not during weird sex?

    Because under OH&S legislation ALL participants are required to follow the LARM rule. Exposure to injury MUST be reduced to a level that is as Low As Reasonably Manageable (LARM).

    Hence if one player employs a legitimate, legal tackle against another player, and that player ends up injured, then that is just how the game goes. LARM was employed.

    However, if one player ends up on the ground and another player deliberately stomps on his head and caves his skull in, that would be in contravention of OH&S laws. LARM was not employed.

    In the “weird sex” example you give, the party who is going to do the bashing knows beforehand, or should reasonably know, that there is a chance of injuring the first party. Hence Duty of Care provisions and LARM apply, and they are required to stop short of inflicting actual injury, even if the first party agrees to, or even wants, to be injured.

  64. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    No, shut up.

  65. Roger

    Tonga suspended from international rugby league thanks to Peter Beattie and Todd Greenberg.

  66. Zatara

    The USA is officially at war.

    No it isn’t, and hasn’t been since 15 August 1945.

    An authorized use of force is not a Declaration of War. The last time the USA was officially at war was when the Congress voted to declare war on 8 December 1942 and that ended 15 August 1945.

    The US, like the UK, hasn’t been officially at war since 1945. Some examples of the authorized uses of force they have been involved in are the Korean War, the Malaysian Emergency, Mau-Mau Revolt, the Suez ‘Crisis’, Vietnam, the Falklands, Bosnia, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, etc.

    Call it playing with words if you like, but that’s the law. Which is why it matters when tossing around words like “treason”.

  67. bespoke

    What it is, is extortion.

    How? Is he forced to give?

  68. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Paying money and gifts is an insurance policy bespoke.

    Ask John Jarratt who was not a policy holder.

  69. Cassie of Sydney

    “I don’t presume to speak for anyone except myself.
    The truth is often a threat to those whose minds are atrophied by cliche and myth..”

    Oh the irony.

  70. mh

    I wonder what Peter Beattie hates more – the colour of their skin or their Christianity.

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting observation from a lefty source (ie. CNBC):

    Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We’ll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren

    CNBC spoke to several high-dollar Democratic donors and fundraisers in the business community and found that this opinion was becoming widely shared as Warren, an outspoken critic of big banks and corporations, gains momentum against Joe Biden in the 2020 race.

    Ukrainegate seems to be about kneecapping Biden in the primaries, which inevitably means the party must want Warren. Sanders is out of favour, and you then have to go right down to Buttigeig to find someone else. And he’s about as electable as a turnip.

    It would be quite something if the Dems manage to flip billionaire lefties to backing Trump.

  72. Zatara

    Now if I can consent to possibly dying in a football match, why not during weird sex?

    Did you consent to the weird sex and acknowledge its dangers in writing? Was there a witness to your consent (Other than your partner who killed you of course)?

    Perhaps another angle to look at would be assisted suicide cases.

  73. bespoke

    Prostitution laws are obsolete.

    Yep, they only harm the most vulnerable and do nothing mitigate the reasons.

  74. cohenite

    Hey, I agree with Iran about something!

    Iran’s Rouhani backs moving UN out of New York to a ‘better’ country

    Tehran would be excellent. Every female staffer in black bags, no booze, no sex. It’d be great!

    Excellent. If the UN was not in the US it would fold in a week.

  75. Old School Conservative

    1735099
    #3168710, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:07 am
    Trump … was deferred from service in Vietnam

    Awww. Two peas in a pod. Literally lovely.

  76. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Did you consent to the weird sex and acknowledge its dangers in writing?

    Wouldn’t make any difference under OH&S legislation, Zatara.
    But I can’t say the same re criminal law, as I simply don’t know.

  77. Mother Lode

    Gawd the Herald is a rag.

    Glad Bag made a sordid deal with a de facto Green, to foist upon the people of NSW a law they never mentioned in their campaign, but which the Greens have long pushed for (the same Greens that very few people vote for).

    Gladys’ name is mud. But when a compromise is reached for Gladys it is a triumph, but for the ‘rebels’ it is backing down.

    The rebel MP’s did not get exactly what they wanted, but then neither did Gladys. And in the eyes of the public the rebel MP’s now stand guilty of principle. Gladys, on the other hand, can bask in a sickly green hue she has taken on.

    I can think of no fish so rotten, no puddle of vomit so noisome and sticky, no homeless person so ragged and cold, that I would reach for the SMH.

  78. Gab

    Good moaning, lefties.

    Trump is still President.

  79. bespoke

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3168716, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:11 am
    Paying money and gifts is an insurance policy bespoke.

    Not very one then, She can still clame unwanted advances after the fact nowdays.

  80. Zatara

    Did you consent to the weird sex and acknowledge its dangers in writing?

    I mention that because I suspect any contact sport these days would require a written acknowledgment of risk and waiver of responsibility.

  81. C.L.

    Look I am not Catholic so I am not up with all the Catholic mumbo jumbo, but I never had any problems understanding Benny. So can someone please explain to me what the fuck is Franky on about?

    You think that’s bad. The Catholic blogosphere has been sharing this around over the past 36 hours or so … Some background: the Pontifical John Paul II Theological Institute for Marriage and Family Sciences was established in 1982 to safeguard Christian orthodoxy in all things related to love, marriage, family and children. Francis has sacked all of its top staff and replaced them with Marxists. Now the viral passage: its new director explains the Institute’s purpose:

    The recomposition of the thought and practice of faith with the global covenant of man and woman is now, with all evidence, a planetary theological space for the epochal remodeling of the Christian form; and for the reconciliation of the human creature with the beauty of faith. To put it in the simplest terms, by overcoming every intellectualistic separation between theology and pastoral care, spirituality and life, knowledge and love, this evidence must be rendered convincing for all: the knowledge of faith cares about the men and women of our time.

    See Weigel: BALDERDASH ON THE TIBER.

  82. dover_beach

    Yep, they only harm the most vulnerable and do nothing mitigate the reasons.

    bespoke, as I noted above, the SA laws target either the pump, the john, or protecting public places from solicitation, not the prostitute.

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    Another sunny day on the Cat!

    Ahem:

    ‘Then “superannuated reg” comment was directed at some who post here, probably including your good self.’

    To use an oft-quoted expression regarding your work, Liability Bob – no. That one was directly for me. Not ‘some who post here’, not ‘probably’, and by the way what you actually said was ‘burned out superannuated ex-reg’.

    And even after I gently corrected you (of course) about being wrong on two of the three issues in that statement, which was still surprisingly accurate by the way – you persist, this time cherry picking from your own commentary to support your revised version of events, having once again had the original version torn to shreds.

    This is one of the funny things, Old Yeller. Having made imperious statements about what definitely occurred and when, and then repeatedly going down like the Hindenburg you’re back half an hour later with a revised ‘true story’, and claiming you ‘had your metaphorical hat on.’

    Your failed attempts to jam your MX5 into reverse after you said ‘I’ve never darkened the door of an RSL since 1971’ is but one predictable example. ‘But but but membership’ was the best you had.

    The Internet is forever, Liability Bob. Forever and ever, amen.

  84. Anthony

    Can the UN afford to move the UN out of the US?

  85. Knuckle Dragger

    Typo in the first quote. ‘The’ not ‘then’. Freakin’ obviously.

    More coffee and smokes.

  86. cohenite

    What Terrorists and Minneapolis Street Gangs Have in Common

    They don’t see their victims as humans. It sounds simplistic and I suspect the psychology may be more involved but it certainly is a starting point.

  87. Bruce of Newcastle

    Another fine article on the Ukraine thing:

    Lies, Damned Lies, and Democrats: The MSM-DNC’s Worst Week Ever

    What a crushing feeling it must be to be a Democrat, an infotainment industry newsreader, or a NeverTrumper today. The week started off so full of hope, with impeachment in the air as the autumn colors turned. That was Monday. By Thursday morning it was all over but the shouting.

    Oh, and the lies. Lots and lots of lies.

    Very entertaining and a solid summary of the arc of disaster that the Dems have somehow managed to get themselves onto. Again.

  88. calli

    On the Pope’s worritting about proselytising:

    Matthew 28:19-20.

    It’s a clue.

  89. bespoke

    The only time at school I heard about Vietnam was when other students triggered the teacher into talking about it.

  90. Empire 5:5

    Ukrainegate seems to be about kneecapping Biden in the primaries, which inevitably means the party must want Warren. Sanders is out of favour, and you then have to go right down to Buttigeig to find someone else. And he’s about as electable as a turnip.

    Killary bought the DNC in 2015. It isn’t clear how the loans were discharged (if at all) post her defeat. Fauxchahontas is the endorsed Krooked candidate. Traitor44® told CreepyJoe “you don’t have to do this”.

    Wall Street shuns Warren? How convenient, she’s the banking puppet being distanced from the banks.

    Meanwhile, Mikey Robinson headlines TalentConnect, a Silicon Valley shin-dig.

    It’s shaping up as internecine nuclear warfare between the CF and the MB as they endeavour to escape the noose. The DNC is the collateral damage.

  91. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Honestly don’t know, Zatara.
    However, I do strongly suspect that, sooner or later, some busybody bureaucrat is going to charge some adults over an underage kid getting injured playing some contact sport. At that point contact sports for underaged kids will become effectively banned.

  92. Top Ender

    For those of you who have suffered in the dead zone of Australian car rentals, Choice has just released its review of the five big ones:

    Europcar Car rental 66 %

    Hertz Car rental 62 %

    Budget Car rental 54 %

    Avis Car rental 53 %

    Thrifty Car rental 44 %

  93. miltonf

    I can think of no fish so rotten, no puddle of vomit so noisome and sticky, no homeless person so ragged and cold, that I would reach for the SMH.

    So true and it’s been like that for decades. But now they don’t have the classifieds anymore.

  94. miltonf

    I see Harry Windsor is a big fan of pol tot. The royals are way past their use by date. Wasn’t Phil the Greek a Bildeburger?

  95. C.L.

    It’s always bombshells and explosions …

    White House ‘covered up’
    White House officials covered up the record of Trump’s Ukraine phone call according to an explosive complaint.

    1 HOUR AGO By CAMERON STEWART

  96. bespoke

    bespoke, as I noted above, the SA laws target either the pump, the john, or protecting public places from solicitation, not the prostitute.

    In that case I have little problem with those laws bare going after the john. They in some cases have problems best addressed outside the law.

  97. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Did you consent to the weird sex and acknowledge its dangers in writing? Was there a witness to your consent (Other than your partner who killed you of course)?

    Reversing the onus of proof was disallowed in Kirk and Another v Industrial Relations Commission (NSW).

    Now, if there isn’t evidence that there wasn’t any consent given, then it must be assumed it was given.

    That of course doesn’t mean the police and DPP won’t try it on. Look at the way self defence laws have been watered down progressively by the cops, judges, Parliamenty and prosecutors (privileged people who can fight back or are removed from violence).

    Just disgusting.

  98. miltonf

    Channel 9 ‘news’ add on 3AW ‘and the phone call that could get Donald trump kicked out of the White house’. Just piss off.

  99. Mitch M.

    In another video of this I watched yesterday reference was made to religious texts describing apocalyptic events that seemed to mirror what happened during this catastrophe. So the descriptions in those texts reflect events that happened some 12,000 years ago. That seem incredulous but is consistent with mythologies often having a element of truth. The narrator even speculated that the 7 trumpets in the Book of Revelation refers to 7 separate strike events. It is known there were multiple strikes. The other question that emerges from this is the possibility that there were civilisations that had become well developed relative to the time but were lost in the catastrophe. There is no doubt some huge cosmic event happened and it wasn’t confined to North America, there is even evidence as far south as Chile. The big impact though does appear to be on the Laurentian ice shelf leading to massive flooding in North America.

    So perhaps Hancock is onto something.

  100. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    bespoke
    #3168728, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3168716, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:11 am
    Paying money and gifts is an insurance policy bespoke.

    Not very one then, She can still clame unwanted advances after the fact nowdays.

    LOL of course.

    Men can get charged with ripening after paying to fuck a whore, (starting off as a minor) can be ordered to pay child support when they get prematurely ripened by their teacher in high school [in the US you go to gaol for not paying child support, whereas cucks in Australia {the AMA, of course} Germany and France have or want to ban all paternity testing] and I’m waiting for some broad to accuse their husband of sexual harassment before and during their “courting” phase before marriage, perhaps even “leering”.

    “Pound me too” she says, her husband to be was staring at her and admiring her beauty; this court orders than a Kennon adjustment is made and this evil man, who OUGHT TO BE STARING AT THE GROUND AND NO MORE, must pay an additional 15% on top of the 50/50 split of assets.

    “Nice society you’ve got there in western civilisation, Mister. It would be a shame if you were ruled by Alinskyists and democratic socialists for 47+ years…”

  101. Zatara

    Now, if there isn’t evidence that there wasn’t any consent given, then it must be assumed it was given.

    A street thug reaps and beats a librarian to death while she is waking home in the dark from the library.
    When arrested he pleads “But she asked me to.”

    Same dynamics as your proposed case, right down to the sex and there being no chance to find out what she did or did not consent to.

    Think that’s going to fly? Shouldn’t be too hard to find a similar actual case to see if it did.

  102. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Which brings me to the “manslaughter” stuff this morning.

    The deceased is a man who thought he was a woman.

    The cops are calling it a she (they “have” to).

    The dead tranny is enjoying his muh female privilege.

    If they were just two run of the mill gay dudes, no one would care.

  103. 1735099

    To use an oft-quoted expression regarding your work, Liability Bob – no. That one was directly for me. Not ‘some who post here’, not ‘probably’, and by the way what you actually said was ‘burned out superannuated ex-reg’.

    Apologies.
    Given the quality of your usual postings, it’s essential that those specifications are acknowledged.

  104. Roger

    The recomposition of the thought and practice of faith with the global covenant of man and woman is now, with all evidence, a planetary theological space for the epochal remodeling of the Christian form; and for the reconciliation of the human creature with the beauty of faith. To put it in the simplest terms, by overcoming every intellectualistic separation between theology and pastoral care, spirituality and life, knowledge and love, this evidence must be rendered convincing for all: the knowledge of faith cares about the men and women of our time.

    There are two things that I have always observed to be in singular accord: supercelestial thoughts and subterranean conduct.

    Montaigne

  105. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A street thug reaps and beats a librarian to death while she is waking home in the dark from the library.
    When arrested he pleads “But she asked me to.”

    You know this isn’t possible. You cannot “ask” to be ripened.

    The point is if there is no evidence to the contrary, you cannot (or should not) prosecute. If you know he’s lying, you know because you have evidence to the contrary.

    That’s my point. If the cops have all this preponderance of evidence within 24 hours, involuntary manslaughter seems like nonsense.

    I’m starting to suspect there was some domestic violence, which I don’t understand how it isn’t murder.

    Liek I said, this premature spraygun approach of “arrest and charge, then collect evidence and indict, change the indictments if convenient” is bullshit that supposedly free countries ought to avoid.

    The “we can change the indictments” gag is like legalised perjury. I am starting to the think the whole process of trying cases, civil and criminal “in the alternative” is fucking rubbish as well.

    Just trash. You could write a prescription of offences with 10 layers of degree and you could convict almost anyone of almost anything. “Didn’t you say once on the internet you think John Howard should be shot?”

    Remember that poor old Montague Miller (84 years old) was convicted of sedition and Sharkey was convicted of sedition for saying that Aussies would welcome the Sovs. as liberators.

    Giles JA basically made up absolute liability in Lavender v R (2004) NSWCCA.

    Having faith in the legal system is like betting with a crooked bookie.

  106. None

    Bloody hell, C.L.
    “intellectualistic separation “? What???
    My dream is that Pell gets vindicated, released, goes back to Rome, Frankie dies and Pell becomes Pope.

  107. Empire 5:5

    Mitch M.
    #3168753, posted on September 27, 2019 at 9:47 am

    The Adam and Eve Story. The original work, not the doctored version in the clown vault.

  108. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Decades of cuckery

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1394653/Move-to-outlaw-secret-DNA-testing-by-fathers.html

    Move to outlaw secret DNA testing by fathers

    By Martin Bentham and Lorraine Fraser

    12:01AM BST 19 May 2002

    Fathers who conduct secret paternity tests on their children will face prosecution under new laws to be proposed by a Government watchdog.

    The Human Genetics Commission will recommend in a report to ministers that the theft of a person’s DNA, including the clandestine removal of a child’s hair or saliva, should become a criminal offence.

    The proposal has come out of fears that increasing numbers of fathers are exploiting the growth of internet DNA testing services to undertake paternity checks without the consent of the child or its mother, with potentially traumatic consequences for all involved.

    The law would also prevent private detectives, journalists, employers and others from gaining access to genetic information without the individual’s consent, or using DNA left behind by an individual to check for diseases, genetic conditions or unknown relatives.

    How does a “parent” (or not) not have the right to collect their kid’s DNA?

    Most mums have something like a lock of their kid’s hair.

    with potentially traumatic consequences for all involved.

    LIKE NOT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S LITTLE BASTARDS?

    Now, as for the government, repeat after me, just like supplying fraudulent documents to a court:

    IT’S OKAY WHEN WE DO IT!

  109. Empire 5:5

    Having faith in the legal system is like betting with a crooked bookie.

    Who takes bets from crooked cops, prosecutors and judges.

  110. Knuckle Dragger

    And again you missed out on the two error in that statement. After being corrected.

    As I said, a 33% strike rate. Which for you is surprisingly accurate.

    Tell us again about when you darkened RSL doors, and the year you saved the noggie kids, and the time you saved an unspecified indig digger from apartheid which was actively practised in Melbourne pubs in the 70s.

    I was going to say that this type of rigour wouldn’t be near the standard required for a doctorate, but then I remembered half of this country’s illiterate prison-dwelling detritus already have one.

  111. Dr Faustus

    In ‘An Expert Says’ news:

    Exclusive: Scott Morrison accused by oceans expert of missing ‘what this whole fight is about’

    “It’s unequivocal – our very existence as a species on this planet is under threat”, Peter Thomson told SBS News at the United Nations Headquarters in New York.

    “Oceans expert”, Peter Thompson BA(Aukl), is a former Fijian public servant and minor diplomat who has lucked onto the UN gravy train (US$200k tax free + ~$50k Living Allowance + UN indexed pension + endless travel + unlimited expenses). He is officially tasked to “galvanise political momentum, mobilise action and raise ambition for the implementation of the UN’s Sustainable Development Goal“.

    He is concerned to ensure that his very existence as a species does not come under threat.
    Bastards like Morrison, threatening the UN’s funding base, do not help his cause.

  112. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Giles JA basically made up absolute liability in Lavender v R (2004) NSWCCA.

    Regarding criminal negligence, and the High Court affirmed his reasoning.

    This is bloody frightening!

  113. Zatara

    You know this isn’t possible. You cannot “ask” to be ripened.

    OK, he “had violent sex with her”, then killed her.

    Maybe “because she wanted it” is what he said in his defense. Offenders often do.

    Can’t prove she didn’t consent? No worries.

    Because what we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that he had sex with her, various items of physical evidence indicate it wasn’t consensual, and he killed her.

    Sounds to me like he’s going down for Reap and Murder unless his defense comes up with a evidentiary miracle.

  114. jupes

    Keep digging, Bob. You’re done.

    Superb smack-down Mater. Top shelf.

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    Move to outlaw secret DNA testing by fathers

    Would you believe there’s a fun link between this and Ukrainegate?

    ‘Hiding out from process servers’: Sen. Tom Cotton accuses Hunter Biden of dodging DNA test in Arkansas paternity case (via Lucianne)

    “There is a young woman in her 20s in Arkansas who has filed a paternity suit in Arkansas state court against Hunter Biden. And he is dodging process, and has done so for months. He is literally hiding out from process servers so he doesn’t have to submit to a DNA test,” Cotton told radio host Hugh Hewitt during an interview Thursday morning.

    Cotton continued, “He claims that he is not the father of this child. If that’s the case, why doesn’t he just accept process and provide a DNA sample? But no, he is literally hiding out from those working for a young woman in Arkansas who’s raising a child by herself after she’s filed suit against Hunter Biden in Arkansas state court.”

    Arkansas is the graveyard of many a politician…

  116. None

    Frankly what is really tasteless is Corbyn bringing up the death of that Labour politician by a nutter and trying to blame it on Boris. or Brexit. Boris has this considerable faults but Corbyn is an absolute dog.

  117. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Dot,

    you keep conflating charges and prosecution by the police, with OH&S laws. The two are not the same. A person can be charged and prosecuted under OH&S laws completely independent of whether a criminal act was involved (thereby making it a police matter as well).

    Conversely, persons can be prosecuted for criminal acts that have nothing to do with OH&S.

    Ripening is a criminal act which may, or may not, also involve OH&S. If it did, then they would be two separate court cases – one on behalf of the police with regards to the ripe, and another one on behalf of the relevant govt department that oversees OH&S legislation.

    Murder, as I said in my original post, takes precedence over everything, including OH&S.

  118. 1735099

    And again you missed out on the two error in that statement. After being corrected.

    What is a “two error”?
    Is it a mistake that only involves the number two, or is it two mistakes, or it is simply an indication of your incapacity (as a binary thinker) to move past two ideas at once?
    The mind boggles.
    Please clarify……

  119. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Because what we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that he had sex with her, various items of physical evidence indicate it wasn’t consensual, and he killed her.

    Of course. Now translate that to a case of (involuntary?) manslaughter where there is no duty of care, no evidence of a lack of consent and…?

    Like I said I’m suspecting there is some DV involved*, but without that or any additional information, it seems like misadventure.

    Given that involuntary manslaughter is predicated on criminal negligence, then ignoring volenti or contributory risk is improper application of the law. Volenti and contributory risk alone and together can completely defeat a claim of negligence. If there is no negligence, there can be no manslaughter.

    *Which is mind boggling; why not murder/voluntary manslaughter or assault occasioning death?

  120. Boambee John

    *Trump has a weight problem and was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times.

    The perseveration was under control for a while, but now there has been a relapse.

  121. 1735099

    Superb smack-down Mater. Top shelf.

    Another member of the peanut gallery emerges……

  122. Mother Lode

    The proposal has come out of fears that increasing numbers of fathers are exploiting the growth of internet DNA testing services to undertake paternity checks without the consent of the child or its mother, with potentially traumatic consequences for all involved.

    The father – the one paying for the child and the wife in the case of divorces – is doing the exploiting?

    This is as stupid as the courts not letting the accused to question ‘victims’. They, the courts, protecting a pretended victim create real victims in the person of the defendent denied the opportunity to defend themselves.

    And the family court would have to be one of the worse for delivering an unending stream of real victims.

  123. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    MV you’re fucking senile. You brought up OH&S crap and now say I’m conflating things.

    Go to bed.

  124. My dream is that Pell gets vindicated, released, goes back to Rome, Frankie dies and Pell becomes Pope.

    That would be the ultimate trolling.
    Lefty head explosions would make Krakatoa seem like a capgun.

  125. Roger

    “Oceans expert”, Peter Thompson BA(Aukl)…

    I know Auckland is by the sea but calling a bloke who did his BA there an “oceans expert” is a stretch, regardless of his UN position (“Envoy for the Oceans”).

    I was going to say it is lazy journalism but it’s worse than that; it’s advocacy masquerading as journalism, as most of it is these days.

  126. John Constantine

    https://www.theland.com.au/story/6409273/water-crisis-spells-disaster-for-red-meat/?src=rss

    meat processing was a major employer in several towns on the cusp of serious water shortages.

    “Without water, these businesses can’t run, and that means jobs are in peril,” he said.

    Tamworth, Dubbo, Orange, Warwick and Narromine are among the towns approaching ‘day zero’ water supply restrictions. AMIC has members operating processing facilities in each of these areas.

    “No water means our members’ daily operational capacity diminishes. From washing stockyards through to sterilisers and hand washing to refrigeration and end of day cleaning operations, all will be at risk,” Mr Hutchinson said.

    Even with a strong focus on water efficiency, the sector simply cannot operate without reliable water supply, he said.

  127. The proposal has come out of fears that increasing numbers of fathers are exploiting the growth of internet DNA testing services to undertake paternity checks without the consent of the child or its mother, with potentially traumatic consequences for all involved.

    Only one reason for a traumatic outcome to a child’s DNA test, and the fault for that outcome indisputably does not belong to the “father”.

  128. notafan

    You can consent to an assault.

    I’d like to see that documented in a video because otherwise who can know?

    People can legally consent to be killed in Victoria.

  129. Cassie of Sydney

    “None
    #3168779, posted on September 27, 2019 at 10:18 am
    Frankly what is really tasteless is Corbyn bringing up the death of that Labour politician by a nutter and trying to blame it on Boris. or Brexit. Boris has this considerable faults but Corbyn is an absolute dog.”

    None darling…..please don’t insult dogs..loyal and loving creatures that they are! Corbyn is filthy Jooo hating turd…just the filthy Jooo hating turd who shits here.

  130. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Only one reason for a traumatic outcome to a child’s DNA test, and the fault for that outcome indisputably does not belong to the “father”.

    Guile THEME

  131. Bruce of Newcastle

    Very simple answer.
    All family court cases to require mandatory paternity and maternity DNA tests.
    You want a divorce, you want to divvy up kids & stuff, you do the test.
    Fair to all.

    Zero chance of getting through Parliament. The wymminses mafia would see to that.

  132. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I’d like to see that documented in a video because otherwise who can know?

    Hence why we cannot assume guilt. If we believe in the presumption of innocence.

  133. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    John C

    This is why we need cheap nuclear power and stronger property rights.

    There is no incentive to bore deeper. You cannot homestead new water supplies. The system assumes there is no more, which is unscientific crap.

  134. Old School Conservative

    John Constantine, I heard Alan Jones say this morning that cancelling all drought relief bodies/plans/arrangements/inquiries/etc and immediately redirecting all those billions into simple fodder and water deliveries was the answer.
    Sounded good to this city slicker.

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘What is a “two error”?

    ‘Is it a mistake that only involves the number two, or is it two mistakes, or it is simply an indication of your incapacity (as a binary thinker) to move past two ideas at once?’

    The second one, Liability Bob. One out of three. 33% again.

    But hey, at least you’ve partially identified the answer that relates to your making two mistakes in one sentence.

    I’m going to love it in the improbable event you can colour in between the lines enough for a doctorate. That way I’ll be able to quote the immortal line from The Muppet Show:

    ‘Tune in next time, when Doctor Bob will say…………’

  136. Mater

    Then “superannuated reg” comment was directed at some who post here, probably including your good self.

    Read it carefully, you halfwit.

    Everything else you post here is a compensation for that fact by a burned-out superannuated ex-reg. I’ve seen plenty of those, including the reg who refused to assault a bunker system in April 1970, whilst the Nashos in the platoon, although we were just as terrified as he was, carried out the command.

  137. Boambee John

    The mind boggles.
    Please clarify……

    For the benefit of the seagull, it is like the difference between argot and ergot, or vagina and vulva.

  138. thefrollickingmole

    All family court cases to require mandatory paternity and maternity DNA tests.

    The wailing and gnashing of wimmins organs would be epic.

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

  139. JC

    Riccardo
    A follow up.

    After I posted that comment about Driller (Socrates at the pub) describing you as a coward, the Red Neck immediately changed in nameplate to Salvatore , the Iron Publican. Just thought I’d let you know in case you were confused as you’re not here much these days. He frequently changes his nameplate in order to disguise his degenerate ways. My suggestion is that he should be move to.. Steve the bankrupt, at the pub, as it has a really decent ring to it and likely more accurate.

    Good luck with the party.

  140. Makka

    I see the marxists on ALPBC all agog over our Greta. Even Squalid’s muzzie missus getting in on the act demonstrating just how virtuous and outraged she is. The Ozzie power couple. What a fkn shithole.

  141. Mother Lode

    “There is a young woman in her 20s in Arkansas who has filed a paternity suitin Arkansas state court against Hunter Biden. …

    Arkansas? Might turn out that Hunter was an orphan, discovered 9 months after a Bill Clinton rally in a room where his mother had committed suicide by drowning herself in seawater, shooting herself twice in the back of her head, and hanging herself. (A jar of pills on a bedside table will lead the coroner to declare cause of death was an overdose.)

    …And he is dodging process, and has done so for months. He is literally hiding out from process servers…

    Hmmm. The word ‘server’ should be enough to enjelly* any Democrat’s sphincter.

    why doesn’t he just accept process and provide a DNA sample?

    He may not be afraid of revealing paternity as much as revealing species.

    *enjelly – a new word, but one which might gain usage post Mueller and post Ukraine-gate

  142. johanna

    IdentiFlight’s tower-mounted optical units are designed to detect flying objects and then use algorithms to identify them as eagles.

    How long does it take to stop a wind turbine from turning, given that eagles can easily fly at 50km/hr? Are they saying they can detect eagles, and their trajectory, from vast distances?

    I call BS.

  143. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘All family court cases to require mandatory paternity and maternity DNA tests.’

    Why is there even debate about this? Of course there should be mandatory testing before anyone’s wallet is attacked. The cases are legion where blokes (several mates of mine included) have been paying child support for a decade or more before they find out [usually from a spiteful yet ill-advised call from the ex] that they’re not the father of the child they’ve been shielded from and yet ‘pay for’ – which is of course a euphemism for ‘support Mummy’s lifestyle’.

    $750 a fortnight – which is conservative – x 26 fortnightly pays per year x 18 years is a shade over $350K. For one kid.

    In any event, no ladeeee should be wary of such testing, because they’ve done the righty by the bloke and haven’t splashed it about while he’s not looking.

    Haven’t they?

  144. JC

    This is how regulation destroys competition.

    There are reasonable alternatives now to the banking sector when dealing in foreign exchange. As the piece notes, there are all sort of new entrants competing with the banks in FX services.
    The entry into this segment could have allowed them to springboard into other areas of financial services. Now it becomes harder even though people had choices.

    Australian banks face a revenue hit worth up to $300m a year from FX fee reduction over the next five years, warns Macquarie.

    Macquarie says major banks generate $1bn a year – 4-10pc of operating income – from FX fees which are 10-20 times more than those charged by non-banks and emerging fintechs.

    The broke argues that such structural headwinds as Open Data, front-to-back book gap, and the impact of lower rates leave uncertainty around the sustainability of banks’ long-term returns.

    “While banks’ valuation discount of 10 per cent relative to their long-term average versus the All Industrials excluding banks arguably partly incorporate the headwinds, we remain cautious on the sector,” Macquarie says.

  145. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You brought up OH&S crap and now say I’m conflating things.

    Actually Dot, I replied to a questioning statement by you regarding OH&S law. To whit:
    I cannot fathom how it is possible under NSW statute

    To which I replied:
    OH&S legislation, duty of care, and all that jazz.

    You then commenced to spend the morning mixing and matching criminal acts with OH&S laws. I only bothered trying to explain the difference because you claim to be working towards becoming a lawyer, and I thought I was putting you straight on a difference that may become very important to you if and when you ever graduate.

    To be honest I’m beginning to regret it. It is, after all, no skin off my nose if you fail an exam, or pass and end making a fool of yourself in court. Be my guest. Go for it.

  146. dover_beach

    CL, thanks for the Weigel article. It is to the point. Bergoglio is a disgrace, as are his confederates.

  147. While it is possible to go most of your life without even seeing Melbourne on a map, there’s a couple of suppliers there I’ve got pressing reason to deal with.
    None of ’em are answering the bluddee phone.
    Does anybody there do any bluddee work?
    Or have the phones gone out or something?
    Or is everyone on a ruddy tea break whenever I call?

  148. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #3168802, posted on September 27, 2019 at 10:34 am
    John Constantine, I heard Alan Jones say this morning that cancelling all drought relief bodies/plans/arrangements/inquiries/etc and immediately redirecting all those billions into simple fodder and water deliveries was the answer.
    Sounded good to this city slicker.

    What about all the under-employed bureaucrats? The unions will be horrified.

  149. Makka

    None of ’em are answering the bluddee phone.
    Does anybody there do any bluddee

    Public Holiday?

  150. Fisky

    Chinese students’ association loses status at Canadian university after protest of Uygur activist’s talk was allegedly coordinated with Chinese consulate

  151. Dr Faustus

    None darling…..please don’t insult dogs..loyal and loving creatures that they are! Corbyn is filthy Jooo hating turd…

    Quite true.

    Lest anyone imagine this is just a vile personal Corbyn enthusiasm, just this week, the Labour Party Conference adopted BDS and a range of anti-Izrael policies.

    Indeed, Joo-hatred is so popular in Labour circles that the Labour Friends of Izrael pulled its booth at the Labour Conference because of the threat of anti-s emitic violence from delegates.

    And, almost no domestic media interest.
    Public life in the UK is swirling down the pan.

  152. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3168813, posted on September 27, 2019 at 10:52 am

    Insane bullshit.

    Worse than Homer Paxton.

  153. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I call BS.

    Good morning Johanna.
    I think that particular flavour of BS is called OPM, aka “subsidies”.

  154. Top Ender

    Apologies for the long post, but would be of interest to many here. From The Australian‘s print edition – complete.

    BATTLE ON THE HOME FRONT

    PAUL MALEY/SEAN DAVEY

    When the Office of the Inspector General of the Australian Defence Force began its inquiry into possible war crimes in Afghanistan, Barack Obama was still US president, the Brexit referendum had not been held and Malcolm Turnbull was at the midway point of his torrid prime ministership.

    Almost 3½ years later the longest and most secretive inquiry undertaken by the Defence Force appears no closer to finishing its work. For a country curious to know whether its special forces are shot through with war criminals, this delay is troubling. For those soldiers caught in the teeth of the investigation, the glacial pace has been devastating.

    One of those soldiers is Ben Roberts-Smith, the country’s most decorated war veteran and so far the only individual to be named publicly in connection to the tangle of inquiries probing the conduct of Australian forces in Afghanistan.

    ‘Leonidas’ figleaf

    Last Sunday the Nine Network’s 60 Minutes took the allegations against Roberts-Smith a notch further, naming the Victoria Cross recipient as being party to the battlefield execution of an Afghan villager named Ali Jan in Darwan, Afghanistan, on September 11, 2012. The allegation is not new.

    A virtually identical claim was made in articles published in The Age and Sydney Morning Herald newspapers last year.

    The charge levelled at Roberts-Smith is jarringly simple: that he collected Ali Jan from a prisoner holding area, led him to a cliff or retaining wall, kicked him over the edge, then instructed a soldier under his command to kill him.

    The article last year did not name Roberts-Smith, instead attributing the crime to a soldier it dubbed “Leonidas”, after the famed Spartan king Roberts-Smith and his crew were said to idolise. But to Roberts-Smith and his team of lawyers it was a figleaf. They were in no doubt who the articles were referring to. Within days, defamation proceedings were under way in the Federal Court.

    The events in Darwan that day are now the subject of several lines of inquiry.

    One is the formally constituted investigation by the IGADF, which began in May 2016.

    The second is an Australian Federal Police investigation examining possible criminal conduct and the third is a free-ranging and very public battle being waged through the media, the defamation courts and the loose network of serving and former Special Air Service Regiment operatives who served with Roberts-Smith and are well-versed in the blood rivalry that exists between Roberts-Smith and the small number of soldiers believed to be behind the allegations.

    It is this third investigation that most troubles supporters of Roberts-Smith, who worry that what began as an attempt to get to the bottom of a murky day in Darwan is beginning to look like a campaign to bring down one man.

    Speculation ‘unfair’

    “The constant press speculation about Ben Roberts-Smith is unfair,” Australian Defence Association executive director Neil James tells The Australian.

    “He hasn’t had the opportunity to clear his name and the constant reference to him is unfair.”

    The attacks on Roberts-Smith have gone beyond claims he conspired to kill Ali Jan. He has been accused of bashing a woman with whom he was briefly in a relationship, of assaulting fellow members of his unit and of involvement in the unlawful killing of a further five Afghans.

    None of these allegations has been proven. All have been denied.

    The one accusation to be fully tested by the authorities — that Roberts-Smith attacked his then girlfriend at Canberra’s Realm Hotel on March 28, 2017 — was dismissed by police for lack of evidence.

    Details scarce

    Publicly, we have yet to be given a detailed witness account of what allegedly occurred in Darwan on that day.

    The version offered by Nine’s newspaper journalists Nick Mc-Kenzie and Chris Masters, two respected reporters who were the first to identify Roberts-Smith as an alleged participant in the incident, cited two “defence force insiders” who they say saw the event. Beyond that there are few details.

    The SASR operators who anonymously accused Robert-Smith of the killing on 60 Minutes seem not to have been present when the alleged incident occurred, raising the question of how they can claim to have any knowledge of it.

    “I am appalled the service of my colleagues and my service to my country and my regiment is being traduced in such an irresponsible way,” Roberts-Smith said in response to the 60 Minutes story.

    The most detailed public account of a possible unlawful killing in Darwan was provided by ABC journalist Dan Oakes.

    In June last year Oakes ran a story quoting a handful of Afghan villagers who went on the record saying they saw Ali Jan intercepted by Australian soldiers as he led his donkeys out of Darwan and then taken away. Sometime later he was found dead. The story did not name Roberts-Smith.

    “The ABC has not been able to locate any eyewitnesses to Ali Jan Faqir’s death or the events immediately preceding it, but a number of accounts circulating in the village have him being kicked or thrown from a high earth bank, or wall, into a ditch,” Oakes reported.

    In the story published by Oakes, accounts vary as to whether Ali Jan was shot before or after he was thrown over the cliff, a potentially significant distinction.

    Digger whispers

    It is of course possible Roberts-Smith is guilty. The AFP does not take up criminal investigations lightly. And, while the Afghan rumour mill might account for some of the smoke around Roberts-Smith, it cannot be denied some of his accusers are fellow SASR operatives. Nor should we discount the possibility there are additional witnesses who will come forward, or perhaps have already done so.

    But it is also possible that what began as an urban legend around an incident or a set of incidents in Darwan that day, has hardened into “fact” over the years.

    Soldiers who have served in Afghanistan talk about how time, trauma and the fallibility of human memory can conspire to create a recollection of an event that bears little resemblance to its original circumstances. One referred to it as “Digger whispers”.

    Darwan search

    The operation in Darwan began on the morning of September 11, 2012. A force of about 100 soldiers comprised the SASR, Afghan National Army troops and commandos choppered into Darwan in search of Hekmatullah, a rogue Afghan National Army sergeant who 13 days earlier had gunned down three Australian troops at rest at their patrol base.

    On one account an initial assault team is believed to have engaged two insurgents as it cleared the village, killing both.

    A second patrol, believed to include Roberts-Smith, acted as a blocking force and positioned itself several hundred metres away.

    This second patrol, it seems, had little contact with civilians, who were being held under confinement at the village.

    Roberts-Smith’s team is believed to have encountered a small number of civilians as it manoeuvred from the river back towards the village but none were found to be fighting-age males.

    In addition to the two insurgents killed by the assault team The Australian has been told another two were engaged by a second patrol, believed to be Robert-Smith’s team.

    One was a Taliban spotter, shot and killed by a member of Robert-Smith’s patrol as they crossed a cornfield towards the end of the mission.

    Another was a “squirter” who was observed across the Helmand River. What happened next is unclear but it seems at least one soldier fired at the man who hid in a rocky outcrop above the river bank. Thinking the squirter might be Hekmatullah, Roberts-Smith is understood to have swum across the Helmand River, climbed the bluff, then shot the man.

    It is not clear if he was alive or dead at this stage. But both shootings, if they happened in the manner described, were permitted under the rules of engagement that prevailed at the time.

    The squirter had valuable intelligence material on him, believed to be Iranian-made IED componentry. He also had an old AK-47 with a bullet lodged in it, which seems to have come from one of the Australian soldiers — possibly Roberts-Smith — who fired at him. Both the rifle and the detonators were turned in, according to one Special Forces source there that day. The source said Roberts-Smith, who had been at the gym that morning, came back to base completely exhausted.

    “He said, ‘F..k me, if I’d known what I was going to do that day there was no way I’d have had that session in the morning,’ ” the source tells The Australian.

    The IEDs and the rifle were taken by Roberts-Smith, who then, perhaps crucially, pushed the lifeless body down the embankment to the river bank so he could conduct a “site-sensitive examination” — basically a digital photograph taken from across the river by another member of the patrol in the hope the insurgent could be identified through facial recognition.

    The Australian does not claim this incident is the one reported on. The facts are simply not clear. But the similarity between the way the squirter was said to have been shot and the alleged killing of Ali Jan are obvious, and one possibility is a legitimate battlefield encounter has morphed over time into a criminal act.

    Feuding fighters

    If such a transformation has occurred it has likely been aided by a small number of current and serving SASR operators known to harbour a visceral dislike of Roberts-Smith. This feud is well known within the tight network of former Special Forces veterans. Most believe they know exactly who appeared on Sunday’s program.

    This does not necessarily discredit the men’s story. Their grudge against Roberts-Smith could well be the result of his conduct and their motivation in stepping forward no more than a desire to see justice done. But it does point to an element of the story not disclosed to the public: the intensity of the personal rivalries that exist within a unit most Australians have become accustomed to seeing as populated by knockabout Anzac-types too decent to harbour a grudge.

    The truth is, while the SASR is one of the most professional and efficient institutions within the Defence Force, it brims with hyper-competitive personalities whose natural aggression works wonderfully when properly harnessed but wreaks havoc when set against each other.

    Long wait

    The process Roberts-Smith has been subject to as the military and the nation undertake this long march towards accountability has been demonstrably unfair. No one

    — guilty or innocent — should have to wait this long for justice, least of all decorated soldiers who have risked their lives for their country.

    The accusations against Roberts-Smith may now be out in the open but those who made them remain concealed by court orders, secrecy laws and the solemn duty of journalists to protect sources.

    The dragnet of official inquiries may yet yield a long list of names, but so far only one has been in the public eye. In this unseemly brawl, Roberts-Smith is the only one fighting out in the open.

    The effect has been to skew the public’s perception of Roberts-Smith, turning him from venerated war hero to a figure of questionable morale standing, to say the least. If he is guilty of war crimes then Roberts-Smith must be punished. The inclination of some to give soldiers a light pass by virtue of the work they do receives short shrift within the military itself. There, the view is those who consider themselves elite have fewer reasons for acting out, not more.

    But it is hard to see how Roberts-Smith guilt, should it arise, justifies the one-sided and prolonged public pummelling of his reputation. This pummelling might have been tolerable if the official inquiries tasked with resolving these issues had acted in a competent fashion. They have not.

    The IGADF inquiry steered by respected NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton has been running for three years and is expected to see out four before it finally reports. Ask the Defence Force why it is taking so long and you’ll get an answer about the complexity of the inquiries, the transnational nature of the inquiry, the fact the material is secret and the interlocking web of legal battles, criminal investigations and newspaper articles, all of which have slowed the IGADF’s work.

    Don’t believe a word of it.

    Complex investigations need not be long ones. The 9/11 Commission was over in 22 months. The Wood royal commission into police corruption in NSW reported in two years. The Warren Commission into the assassination of US president John F. Kennedy was done in just 10 months.

    Are we seriously to believe an investigation into a handful of incidents alleged to have occurred in Afghanistan is more complex than the investigation into the September 11 conspiracy?

    Defence arrogance

    The truth is the IGADF and the Defence Force failed utterly to anticipate the effect this inquiry would have on the health and the reputation of those caught up in it.

    Nor did they account for the damage to the morale within the special forces. The failure to properly resource and prioritise the inquiry is beyond negligent, it is culpable. The lack of accountability within Defence to its own people borders on arrogant.

    It has had a profound and probably lasting effect on many of the men caught up in it, including Roberts-Smith, who as we write is guilty of no crime.

    James has called on the IGADF to give an account of itself.

    “We’ve suggested that perhaps some form of interim statement needs to be made just explaining why it’s taken so long, the complexity involved and giving some forecast as to when it might be finished,” he says.

    “It’s been going on so long now it’s a little unfair to witnesses and people subject to allegations. It’s also not good for the ADF and the country’s record. We need to get this sorted out.”

    The AFP inquiry into the Ali Jan affair is not much better. The investigation was running for more than a year before the AFP put its officers on a plane to Afghanistan to investigate.

    The AFP unit responsible for the job is stretched but it has been open to the AFP to shift its resources internally to finalise what is clearly a high-profile matter. There are signs it may now be doing so, but for Roberts-Smith, who has yet to be approached by the police, the damage may already be done.

    “I gave everything to fight for this country,” he told The Australian in August last year. “I was prepared to die, like everybody else. You talk about a warrior culture but that’s why we did it: we were prepared to die fighting for this country. Take the politics out of it. I didn’t go to Afghanistan for any other reason than I’m a soldier and that’s what I was ordered to do.”

  155. mh

    Public Holiday?

    That would be it.

  156. dover_beach

    Can someone post Bolt’s Pell column in full? Cheers.

  157. Dr Faustus

    I call BS.

    You would be right to do so.

    The rotating mass of a wind turbine is in the order of 40 tonnes. Any attempt to stop one of these quickly (ie within eagle flight time) would either twist the top off the windmill altogether, cause a fire, or snap the blades at the root. Won’t be happening.

    This is PR for the Nude Green Eel, not for eagles.

  158. None of ’em are answering the bluddee phone.
    Does anybody there do any bluddee

    Public Holiday?

    Public Holiday?
    Queen’s Birthday is next week (or the week after)?

  159. feelthebern

    Riccardo
    A follow up.

    Riccardo, I’ve never met you but you seem quite genuine when I’ve see you on tv/youtube.
    The idea of a grass roots party is a long an expensive one.
    In NSW your biggest problem is Mark Latham.
    I think he has captured a lot of the people in NSW who would normally gravitate towards your party.
    No doubt you’ve already thought of it, but a higher yielding strategy would be to join One Nation & support Mark Latham.
    Mark Latham has eight years in NSW.
    It took less than 8 years for the Greens to infiltrate the LNP & ALP.
    Think what 8 years of working with Mark Latham could generate, versus competing with him over the same time period.

  160. Knuckle Dragger

    Appreciated, Top Ender.

    We have not seen the last of this.

    Unfortunately, it would seem that one reason at least why this enquiry has taken the time it has is to ensure that the right arses are covered when the report – appropriately conforming to The Narrative – is released.

  161. Zatara

    Of course. Now translate that to a case of (involuntary?) manslaughter where there is no duty of care, no evidence of a lack of consent and…?

    All theorizing aside, lets review the facts.

    – The evidence shows beyond question that person ‘A’ killed person ‘B’ with physical violence.
    – ‘A’ had a duty not to kill ‘B’. That’s why they call it homicide.
    – It is safe to assume ‘B’ didn’t want to be killed.
    – Physical evidence indicates ‘A’ had non-consenual sex with ‘B’. B is dead from it after all.

    Result: Person ‘A’ gets charged with reap and murder.

    He can tell his story to the jury and see if they will buy it being just an accident.

  162. mh

    Public Holiday?
    Queen’s Birthday is next week (or the week after)?

    You’re giving JC a lot of material to work with.

  163. notafan

    $750 a fortnight – which is conservative – x 26 fortnightly pays per year x 18 years is a shade over $350K. For one kid.

    you could always have custody yourself (whatever it is called these days)

    as for the amount

    formula here

  164. None

    You’re right, Cassie . I apologize to dogs. Corbyn is a filthy Joo hating turd.

  165. None

    Oh my god, signs of journalism at the Australian.

  166. Zatara

    Hence why we cannot assume guilt. If we believe in the presumption of innocence.

    That’s where phrases like preponderance of evidence and beyond reasonable doubt come in.

    Don’t beat your sexual partner to death and expect anyone to believe it was an accident.

    Words to live by.

  167. notafan

    can anyone give a link the case dot is talking about?

  168. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3168829, posted on September 27, 2019 at 11:11 am”

    Thanks Bern…you’ve perfectly articulated my thoughts too. Whilst I think that Riccardo has a lot to offer I’m not sure whether he can “cut through” with a new party……isn’t it better to ride with others…such as Latham?

  169. Zatara

    can anyone give a link the case dot is talking about?

    It’s a hypothetical one NTF.

  170. Mother Lode

    What about all the under-employed bureaucrats?

    We can save on sandbags when there is a flood.

    Just stack them on top of each other before the water rises. Without a relocation allowance they will just lie there in tiers whinging about their entitlements. No force known to nature will be able to move them.

    If any of them get too waterlogged you just get rid of them – the others won’t care. Every one on lower tiers will be demanding to be moved up to the old ones space – or ‘office’.

    Useless as compost, of course. But we could dump them in disused coal mines to stop ground subsiding.

    Deep enough so the whinging doesn’t become audible above ground disconcerting livestock that have never been out-lowed or out-bleated.

  171. notafan

    Thanks Zatara

    bit silly then

    It seems an awfully convenient defense when the victim can no longer speak for themselves

    Armin Meiwes (German: [ˈmaɪvəs]; born 1 December 1961) is a German former computer repair technician who achieved international notoriety for killing and eating a voluntary victim whom he had found via the Internet.

    IT Crowed do a very funny episode based on this case

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    Okay.

    OH and S legislation is different to criminal legislation because it has two different aims.

    A person (boss) and/or company can be charged with manslaughter if an employee dies on the job, primarily due to either negligence or recklessness that their work conditions were reasonably likely to cause serious injury or death. I don’t (my view) think there will be a situation where a boss/company will be charged with murder in this type of circumstance because you would have to prove they intended at some point to cause the death of an employee for it to stick. (I’ll get back to this in a tic).

    In the criminal world you have to assault a person to the extent that a reasonable person would foresee the possibility of death or serious injury. If this happens (and bear in mind you can consent to be assaulted but not to receive serious injury).

    Overt acts play a role here. If you belt someone as hard as you can eight time with a three foot star picket and that person dies, you cannot reasonably explain that you didn’t expect that person to be seriously injured or die.

    Rarely do punters in the criminal field of endeavour get charged with manslaughter. They get charged with murder, and a partial reason for that is because in a trial for murder the jury is also open to record a finding of guilt for manslaughter, which the crook hasn’t been charged with. This is almost unique in this field.

    Also, plea deals abound where some overt evidence exists of an intent to cause death, and which would be argued for weeks at trial. Where it isn’t a walk-up start, the prosecution (bastards) will usually accept a plea to manslaughter, and which although carries a very high head sentence is generally reduced to one of single figures.

    If you’re roped and you die as a result of either that act (where injuries sustained are demonstrated at autopsy as the cause of death) or of an act surrounding that act then you get charged with rope and murder. Again, overt acts. Being forcibly held down in a soccer field in the middle of the night, as in the recent Melbourne matter – well, no reasonable person would consent to that, plus other injuries such as throat bruising on top of the genitalia injuries go to proving the overt act that caused the death.

    Wearing a gimp suit plus gag – well, harder to prove as just getting into the costume would tend to imply that there was an initial degree of consent. Whether that was revoked, or it just went bad is often up to 12 men good and true.

  173. C.L.

    BATTLE ON THE HOME FRONT

    PAUL MALEY/SEAN DAVEY

    Truly excellent journalism.
    The lawful incident (and heroic) they report sounds like the origin of the allegation.
    It’s surprising that some men in the SAS could be such barking, snarling bitches.
    Jealousy, I guess, coupled with the possibility that Roberts-Smith has a less than diplomatic- perhaps even less than comradely – personal manner.

  174. candy

    You’d have to say that people who hide their identities while making the most dreadful allegations against Roberts-Smith are actually cowards.

  175. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    He can tell his story to the jury and see if they will buy it being just an accident.

    No.

    Say you’re with a crazy chick and she wants to be choked.

    Ahem.

    She doesn’t know she has a genetic condition that presupposes her to that being fatal, even though it would ordinarily only make someone pass out.

    Maybe this is what the police should actually investigate before laying charges?

    THEN he can tell his story to a jury.

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘If this happens (and bear in mind you can consent to be assaulted but not to receive serious injury).’

    Hmm. It would seem still more coffee is required, leaving half that sentence hanging in the air.

    BTW the Melbourne matter I mentioned wasn’t tested, as the crook pleaded guilty. That circumstance has happened in plenty of other matters though.

  177. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Zatara
    #3168847, posted on September 27, 2019 at 11:29 am

    can anyone give a link the case dot is talking about?

    It’s a hypothetical one NTF.

    NO, IT ISN’T ACTUALLY.

    The person is on remand now and has been charged.

  178. thefrollickingmole

    The ocean is growing more neurtral, niot more acidic, but hey, its their ABC so they wouldnt set out to deliberately use scare words…

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-27/scientists-breed-climate-change-resistant-sydney-rock-oysters/11552412

    A selectively bred group of Sydney’s rock oysters are protecting themselves against ocean acidification, in a world-first discovery which could have global ramifications for the industry.

  179. jupes

    Thanks for that TE, very good article.

    No one — guilty or innocent — should have to wait this long for justice

    Correct, though the inquiry should not have started in the first place. And let me add that the manner in which it has been conducted has been an utter disgrace. To advertise in Afghanistan for evidence against Australian soldiers, then to travel there and interview the Taliban is a far worse crime than anything Ben Roberts-Smith has been accused of.

    The best thing that could happen would be to shut it down immediately. Nothing good can ever come of it.

  180. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Maybe this is what the police should actually investigate before laying charges?’

    They do, Frank.

    Or should do, at any rate. It’d be first cab off the rank for defence counsel where intent’s concerned.

  181. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    and bear in mind you can consent to be assaulted but not to receive serious injury

    This is wrong.

    The idea that a boxer gets charged with anything if his opponent dies is stupid and childish.

    The dead guy took a stupid risk.

    It’s called misadventure.

  182. Zatara

    Say you’re with a crazy chick and she wants to be choked.

    You want my free legal advice? Get the hell out of there as fast as you can because that’s a pussy trap waiting to be sprung. Chances are good that there are cameras rolling and a big bastard with a baseball bat hiding in the closet waiting for the signal.

    Don’t beat your sexual partner to death and expect anyone to believe it was an accident.

    It just can’t be said too often.

  183. thefrollickingmole

    KD

    Overt acts play a role here. If you belt someone as hard as you can eight time with a three foot star picket and that person dies, you cannot reasonably explain that you didn’t expect that person to be seriously injured or die.

    Meanwhile here in Western Aufaliure. (I woolpressed or shore at the blokes station)
    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/widow-disappointed-with-cricket-bat-attackers-sentence-20081203-6pzw.html
    The West Australian Supreme Court yesterday sentenced Mathew Roy McDonald, 22, to five years in jail for the manslaughter of pastoralist William (Bill) John Rowe, 49, last year.

    Mr Rowe, who would have turned 50 today, died in hospital on Boxing Day after his head hit the ground when McDonald struck him with a cricket bat (5 times) in the car park of Geraldton’s Sunset Beach.

    McDonald’s lawyer, Peter Collins, said his client had come from a disadvantaged background and had encountered violence at almost every turn, as he grew up in a large Aboriginal family.

    He had smoked 30 bongs of cannabis on Christmas morning and began drinking at 10am (WDT), when he had arrived at his grandmother’s that day.

    Mr Collins said his client claimed he was assaulted at the beach by members of the Rowe family who, he said, also assaulted his uncle.

    McDonald said his family was just trying to defend themselves.

    Mr Collins said his client had panicked when he hit Mr Rowe with the bat and sorry for his actions.

    Justice McKechnie said he believed McDonald had not acted with pre-meditation before striking Mr Rowe.

    “It was a spur of the moment act in drunkenness, it was a spur of the moment act that led to a death …” Justice McKechnie said.

    Bloke has already been released, good news is it killed itself in a car crash not too long after.
    https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/cricket-bat-killer-matthew-roy-mcdonald-dies-in-forrestfield-car-crash-ng-b88923906z

    The “family” involved in the killing are a well known to coppers, somehow they just keep being involved in crime scenes, just unlucky I guess.

  184. Zatara

    The idea that a boxer gets charged with anything if his opponent dies is stupid and childish.

    Dot, there are acknowledgements of risk and waivers of responsibility signed for such things.

    On the other hand, if you get in a ‘boxing match’ out behind the school and beat your opponent to death you are going to jail.

    But to suggest another line of investigation for you, try looking into assisted suicide laws. I have no idea if they will be of value but they sound potentially relevant.

  185. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You want my free legal advice? Get the hell out of there as fast as you can because that’s a pussy trap waiting to be sprung.

    Yeah LOL. Absolutely correct.

    I personally know three people who have been falsely accused, one never got charged (regret ripening), one was “acquitted” (nolle prosequi mid-trial) [bad divorce, demonstrably chronologically impossible accusations] and another who was sued and that case fell apart and later led to an admission it was made up because of financial circumstance.

    I want to know why in each circumstance someone wasn’t sacked or put in gaol.

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘you could always have custody yourself (whatever it is called these days)’

    Yes, I could nota. I could scream and bitch and carry on, and use the old ‘you can’t take my child across state lines without my written consent’ chestnut and launch all sort of years-long FC action, but reality strikes on two fronts:

    1. I would, given that the ex Mrs KD and I both have stable secure jobs, fail in the FC; and
    2. After all is said and done, schools in Townsville (not retard homes, Liability Bob) are on average far better than in Darwin. Particularly in the last four years of school, which the boy is in.

    So rather than be selfish (which in my circumstance it would certainly be) I’m doing what’s best for the boy. Who is with me for holidays and loving it.

    And I don’t need the formula, thank you. I just need to look at my pay sheet every fortnight.

    This takes nothing away, of course, from the point that paternity testing cannot be a bad thing. Anyone being upfront would, in fact, embrace it.

  187. Mother Lode

    CL, thanks for the Weigel article. It is to the point. Bergoglio is a disgrace, as are his confederates.

    My mother’s devotion is beyond all cavil. I never thought I would see the day but she despairs of this social activist dragging the shoes of the fisherman through the muck.

    If Benedict had known what sort of a man the Cardinals would appoint as his successor I wonder if he would have held off his stepping down?

    I suspect yes.

    Francis’ Christianity is like throwing a teabag in a swimming pool.

  188. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Dot, there are acknowledgements of risk and waivers of responsibility signed for such things.

    Come on, that’s just supporting circumstantial evidence, notwithstanding anything in the specific boxing regulations.

    With or without such paperwork, no boxer has ever been tried for a homicide of a legitimate boxing opponent.

  189. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    With or without such paperwork, no boxer has ever been tried for a homicide of a legitimate boxing opponent.

    LARM.

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Prosecutors dropped a murder charge after an expert said the blow from the cricket bat alone was not enough to cause Mr Rowe’s death.’

    This is what I was on about, John C.

    An expert (defence, in this case) says A. The pathologist and the prosecution expert says B. Weeks of expensive trial ensue for what will probably be the same result. The defence offered a deal and the prosecution took it. It’s like Joe Louis’ left nut – it ain’t fair, and it ain’t right.

    The good news, of course, is that the crook’s dead. And hopefully died with his lung pierced by a bit of A pillar, and conscious enough to watch his life’s blood slowly spurt out of his chest and onto his nuts, which themselves are crushed by a steering column.

  191. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault
    #3168894, posted on September 27, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    No. Shut up and go away.

  192. Zatara

    Come on, that’s just supporting circumstantial evidence, notwithstanding anything in the specific boxing regulations.

    Actually you are right in the sense that like wills they can be fought in Court. But they tend to be pretty armor plated unless negligence can be proved.

    But God help you if you were the ring official who didn’t stop the fight. You ought to see the liability policies they carry.

    With or without such paperwork, no boxer has ever been tried for a homicide of a legitimate boxing opponent.

    Maybe not tried per se, but Jean-Claude Van Damme has made a career of retribution for such.

  193. notafan

    And I don’t need the formula, thank you. I just need to look at my pay sheet every fortnight.

    You claimed average or typical or something

    not true

    you are presumably a quite well paid hot dog salesman who has less that average nights care

    most non custodians have every second weekend plus half holidays -which affects the amount they pay (as does ex’s income, the lower that is the more you pay)

  194. areff

    I am guessing Bolt is Windschuttle’s “trusted source”

    Stow that notion, None. Keith’s piece went up 18 hours before Bolt weighed in.

    There are any number of learned friends appalled by the Pell miscarriage and talking quietly to those who can publicly explore the inconsistencies and injustices.

    Keith, who has done magnificewnt work picking apart the Pell monstering, is one. Bolt another

  195. Old School Conservative

    Roberts-Smith is understood to have swum across the Helmand River, climbed the bluff, then shot the man

    After a gym session that morning.
    My respects, sir.

  196. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    No. Shut up and go away.

    Get fvcked. I’ve as much right as you to make comments.
    And unlike you, I have been involved in several WH&S court cases, on all three sides of the fence.
    In two states and the NT.

  197. feelthebern

    Kind of weird how this Ukraine story broke so soon after John Bolton was sacked.
    The Washington War Machine is angry.

  198. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell nota. You’re quite ok sometimes, but sheesh.

    Did you not see the mentions of Darwin and Townsville? I suppose I could have him every second weekend, but since ex Mrs KD decided to live in Queensland I didn’t have the time (nor the inclination – non-selfish due to education, as above) to really dig my heels in. Which I could have. Or fork out another $600 per fortnight for return flights.

    And quite a lot of my pay (in my own circumstances, we separated when he was eight so that’s $175K plus I chip in extra for gap dental work, plus I pay for health care plus extra for excursions etc plus plus plus) and which I don’t begrudge one single cent of – all goes to him.

    And I am dead set positive he’s mine. Which is my point. People who’ve done the righty should embrace testing before dollar one is paid. The exact instant there’s a shriek of ‘How Dare You’ warning bells should ring.

    ‘most non custodians have every second weekend plus half holidays -which affects the amount they pay (as does ex’s income, the lower that is the more you pay)’

    Oh. How interesting. I didn’t know that.

    Oh yes I do. BECAUSE I’M DOING IT.

  199. feelthebern

    The good news for BRS is that he has Kerry Stokes advising him.
    Recently, Stokes has given some great advice to men in need.
    He told James Packer to get rid of Carey & sack all his barnacle “advisers”.
    That saved JP at least a bill.

  200. Zatara

    Roberts-Smith is understood to have swum across the Helmand River, climbed the bluff, then shot the man.

    After a gym session that morning.

    And probably a long wank in the shower. He was on deployment after all.

    Respect to R-S!

  201. notafan

    Well yes KD I am just pointing out that you are not the average, normal, typical

    Don’t have to get an hysterical.

  202. hzhousewife

    It is of far more value to the left to have on ongoing and incomplete investigations than a definitive result, hence the Pell matter and now the Roberts-Smith one. These delays cause injustice.

  203. zyconoclast

    Residents of a San Francisco side street are so fed up with tents pitched on the sidewalk by homeless people that they have trucked in boulders to discourage camping.

    About two dozen of the massive rocks, each weighing hundreds of pounds, create barriers on a half-block stretch of Clinton Park, a side street off Market and Dolores streets. The boulders don’t block the sidewalk, but do limit the space available for tents.

    Neighbor David Smith-Tan told KTVU that his family received a letter from the neighborhood about a month ago addressing the sidewalk problem.

    “A bunch of my neighbors, we all chipped in a few hundred dollars and I guess this is what they came up with,” he said.

    Smith-Tan said the area is frequented by drug users who will “shoot up and stay overnight.”

    Jennifer Friedenbach, executive director of the Coalition On Homelessness, told KTVU the border installation is an example of “anti-homeless architecture.”

  204. Some History

    The Greta™ Circus visits another clown, Justin TruDOH

    Tomorrow the global climate strike continues!! I’ll join the strike in Montreal. 170 countries and 6631 events so far. #weekforfuture Find your closest strike or register your own at http://fridaysforfuture.org or local websites. Spread the word!

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1177320999840358400?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  205. mh

    Sections of a so-called whistleblower’s complaint alleging President Donald Trump was “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country” in the 2020 presidential race relies upon a self-described investigative journalism organization bankrolled massively by billionaire activist George Soros.

    Breitbart

  206. notafan

    I suppose Greta sailed to Montreal?

  207. zyconoclast

    MEXICO CITY – Alarmed by the rise of hate crime in the U.S., Mexico is calling for a summit of leaders from Spanish-speaking nations to develop a strategy to combat white supremacy.

    Roberto Velasco Alvarez, spokesman for Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard, said the Mexican government has already reached out to key ambassadors posted in Mexico and hopes to hold the summit in Mexico City by the end of the year in which leaders would draft a policy position based on discussions highlighting political and cultural values.

    “If white supremacists are calling for hatred, racial divisions, what is our response? We have to define our response, defend our culture, language, civilization, our existence,” Velasco said.

  208. Snoopy

    Behold The Science, peoples.

    Oyster farmers in Port Stephens and Lake Wallace have suffered from poor harvests brought about by greenhouse gas-driven ocean acidity, leading to damaged shells and smaller oysters.

  209. notafan

    The city has been gearing up for the massive march for weeks now. Some schools have cancelled classes allowing students to attend and show their support. Justin Trudeau has also announced that he will march alongside Thunberg.

    that’s how you get the big numbers

  210. cohenite

    In ‘An Expert Says’ news:

    Exclusive: Scott Morrison accused by oceans expert of missing ‘what this whole fight is about’

    “It’s unequivocal – our very existence as a species on this planet is under threat”, Peter Thomson told SBS News at the United Nations Headquarters in New York.

    “Oceans expert”, Peter Thompson BA(Aukl), is a former Fijian public servant and minor diplomat who has lucked onto the UN gravy train (US$200k tax free + ~$50k Living Allowance + UN indexed pension + endless travel + unlimited expenses). He is officially tasked to “galvanise political momentum, mobilise action and raise ambition for the implementation of the UN’s Sustainable Development Goal“.

    He is concerned to ensure that his very existence as a species does not come under threat.
    Bastards like Morrison, threatening the UN’s funding base, do not help his cause.

    The oceans are neither being acidified or warming. If they were warming it would not be due to CO2 because the radiation from CO2 cannot penetrate and therefore heat water. Thompson looks like an arsehole.

  211. Zatara

    I personally know three people who have been falsely accused, one never got charged (regret ripening), one was “acquitted” (nolle prosequi mid-trial) [bad divorce, demonstrably chronologically impossible accusations] and another who was sued and that case fell apart and later led to an admission it was made up because of financial circumstance.

    I want to know why in each circumstance someone wasn’t sacked or put in gaol.

    Because there isn’t a criminal law penalizing citizens for making malicious and mendacious charges. Which sucks, but that’s how it is.

    But hey, you can commit even more money and try to sue them for it in civil court. That’s a bright spot huh?

  212. cohenite

    And as an addendum to that new zealandistan shithead criticising scomo about ocean warming:

    Nature paper on ocean warming retracted

  213. cohenite

    Because there isn’t a criminal law penalizing citizens for making malicious and mendacious charges. Which sucks, but that’s how it is.

    Criminal defamation.

  214. Some History

    Peter Thomson, UN Secretary-General Special Envoy for the Ocean

    For heaven’s sake!!

  215. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Because there isn’t a criminal law penalizing citizens for making malicious and mendacious charges. Which sucks, but that’s how it is.

    I find it hard to believe none of them committed a justice offence.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/caitlyn-gray-20-in-court-after-accusing-good-samaritan-of-indecent-assault-stalking/news-story/cc3242a840621d28aea42f0ab74191ca

  216. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Because there isn’t a criminal law penalizing citizens for making malicious and mendacious charges. Which sucks, but that’s how it is.’

    There is. Perjury.

    Sadly, it’s rarely enforced by the prosecuting authorities. There’s nothing cops (apparently) hate more than doing lots of work to find out they’ve been used as vehicles for stupid people to further their agendas.

    They put up perjury briefs for prosecution all the time. The higher level ‘authorities’ (think OPP and the like) routinely knock them back on the (shit) basis that it’s not in the public interest to prosecute.

  217. Some History

    Behind a paywall.

    Take Two Aspirin and Call Me by My Pronouns
    At ‘woke’ medical schools, curricula are increasingly focused on social justice rather than treating illness.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/take-two-aspirin-and-call-me-by-my-pronouns-11568325291

  218. C.L.

    He is concerned to ensure that his very existence as a species does not come under threat.

    LOL. Indeed. You give a bloke US$200,000 per annum to tout “climate change” as an “emergency” and that’s exactly what he’ll dutifully do.

  219. Zatara

    KD

    There is. Perjury.

    True, but you of all people know that the complainant makes their statement to the cops, then the state takes over and pays the costs. The complainant won’t get charged with perjury unless they are stupid enough to say it on the stand in court, and they are generally smarter than that. Having tax-payer funded tactics advice works a charm for them.

    So they can repeatedly accuse at will and force the plaintiff to pay massive legal costs to defend against BS charges that might not even make it to court.

    Meanwhile, Joe the taxpayer is picking up her costs.

  220. duncanm

    TE – that’s shocking.

    Since then..
    2013 – murderer released
    2018 – waste of oxygen dies in car crash

  221. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    According to 4 chan, Wagga Wagga is also home to the Crackatinni tribe:

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/227852760/transgender-filipina-killed-in-australia-while-on

  222. Filbert

    Are there are any stats on aboriginal crime in Australia?

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    Zatara – of course the taxpayer funds this nonsense.

    My point was although there’s a perfect offence for lying, whether in a written statement or in the box, people do this all the time – secure in the knowledge that they will rarely if ever be charged for it.

    The FC is a standout example. Prosecutors (not the cops) will refuse to prosecute, saying it’s not in the public interest to do so. The fact that it may be very much in the poor sod who’s being fleeced and accused of all sorts of random shit’s interest doesn’t occur to them.

  224. calli

    Mitch at 9:46, interesting viewing on the YDB impact hypothesis.

    All very well, but what does Greta say about it?

    😁

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    On the subject of lying in the box, unkind people over the years have suggested that the police themselves have been less than truthful when giving evidence on occasion. Ostensibly this is to stitch up a piece of shit that deserves to be locked away from normal people. Mate of mine reckons it’s a preventative measure for demonstrated past killers and ropers and that.

    Myself, I wouldn’t believe a word of it.

  226. C.L.

    Funny how government inquiries struggle to find fault when the government is in the dock:

    Denishar Woods electrocution report fails to lay blame for shock that caused brain damage.

    Poor little pet.

  227. Zatara

    KD

    My point was although there’s a perfect offence for lying, whether in a written statement or in the box, people do this all the time – secure in the knowledge that they will rarely if ever be charged for it.

    Exactly. And my point, probably not well made, is that the state isn’t going after them in criminal court which only leaves you suing them in civil court, which costs big bucks.

    Sooo, they attack you – state pays.
    You defend yourself – you pay

  228. pete m

    For the share buffs – holding some Afterpay shares bought quite early in their days, now circa $70K ahead.

    Wondering if there is much more upside to them or take some profit?

  229. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Her brother Leonel said he was told Mhelody was ripened before she was killed (while media reports have labeled her death as asphyxiation during “sexual misadventure”).

    Yeah.

  230. cohenite

    Actions for criminal defamation are on the books in most states but are rare and may need the consent of the DPP. Ordinary defamation may suffice and if malice can be established the normal defences to defamation are not available. So say a disgruntled wife does the child molestation/r.pe thing. If the charge is removed or disproved why shouldn’t the husband bring a defamation claim if the DPP won’t charge the wife with perjury?

  231. Zatara

    If the charge is removed or disproved why shouldn’t the husband bring a defamation claim if the DPP won’t charge the wife with perjury?

    Because no prosecutor in their right mind will bring that case in this progressive era.

    If you think the removal or disapproval will shield you from the shitstorm … drive on McDuff.

  232. Knuckle Dragger

    See, this is a much better conversation than the one about sandwich fillings.

    Or…….. is it?

  233. Mother Lode

    Tomorrow the global climate strike continues!! I’ll join the strike in Montreal. 170 countries and 6631 events so far. #weekforfuture Find your closest strike or register your own at http://fridaysforfuture.org or local websites. Spread the word!

    I think Trudeau and his ilk are what Auden would call lovers of small numbers – they are bewitched by numbers and imbue the ones they come across with magical significance but don’t grasp their mathematical continuities, their order, their patterns and rhythms, that extend to the infinitely large and the infinitely small.

    “170 countries”, trumpets Justin. What does that signify? I would imagine that four students and their beagle – once registered- would be sufficient to account for a country. Six and a half thousand events? With virtue signalling businesses, and university BBQs that astutely make sure there is free food, cheap grog, and a band to draw people, counting as ‘an event’ that is in fact not a great number – when you consider the number of people on the planet and how little commitment is actually involved in mere virtue signalling.

    But for Justin – Whoa! One hundred and seventy! More whoa! Six hundred and six hundred, I mean six thousand and six hundred and six hunty, I mean…a lot! More than…than…this many finger. Even more than this many fingers if each finger had two hands. Whoa!

  234. cohenite

    If you think the removal or disapproval will shield you from the shitstorm … drive on McDuff.

    No I don’t think that. But if you think things will get better without people fighting back against the lefty shitstorm then dream on Petulia.

  235. cohenite

    For the share buffs – holding some Afterpay shares bought quite early in their days, now circa $70K ahead.

    Wondering if there is much more upside to them or take some profit?

    Sell them and throw a party for Cat regulars.

  236. feelthebern

    My Chinese born staff tell me their divorce process is very clean.
    You take out of the relationship what you brought in.
    No lawyers.
    It’s spreadsheets.
    99% of all divorces involve 2 parents that are working & one child.
    Very productive.

  237. thefrollickingmole

    Putting on my JP hat…

    Perjury should be pursued in court every single time.
    There should be a bias towards “it was an honest mistake” but it should see the person making the mistaken, or knowingly false declaration forced to justify why they shouldnt be punished for attempting to pervert justice.

    Anything else and you are basically playing a game of liars poker.
    And generally people who are practiced pieces of crap are better at lying or appearing credible than honest people.

    Its the single biggest defect (out of many) in the Australian justice system.

  238. Speedbox

    cohenite
    #3168969, posted on September 27, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    What about us irregular posters but very regular lurkers? I also have a number of Forum 1st places to my name. That has to count for something.

  239. cohenite

    What about us irregular posters but very regular lurkers? I also have a number of Forum 1st places to my name. That has to count for something.

    You’ll have to be content with the NV Veuve.

  240. Speedbox

    Ok. Beggars can’t be choosers. Pete M – sell those shares and throw a party for the Cat.

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