Open Forum: November 2, 2019

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  1. Steve trickler

    Great clip. Both are great.

    Karolina Protsenko, is simply fantastic on the violin.



    Stay away from the sharks, girls.

  2. P

    Climate scientists ‘taking cues from Greta Thunberg’

  3. JC

    It possibly not as bad as people think, although Virginia is gonsky to the D ‘rats, which is on trend.

    Three Takeaways From Tuesday’s Elections

    The comments are really good too.

  4. calli

    In all seriousness, better to part company than stay over money. They both dodged a bullet.

  5. Chris

    Thanks for those mentions of the Loire!
    The history page noted ‘French kings’ ruling in Italy for a while.
    This was enabled by French artillery developing excellent bronze cannon that could knock down castle walls.
    As the French invaded, the Italians learned from the castles being taken, and quickly developed curtain walls, took down walls and towers to lower profiles, and developed the ‘star fort’. The French call this system the ‘trace Italienne’ – bastions, interlocking arcs of fire, mutual support… and an intensification of the idea of ‘useless mouths’, ie sheltering and feeding civilians when your castle is under seige.
    There are no star forts in the Loire Valley; the Loire is where the aristocracy of France got rich and built chateaux while this invasion proceeded.

  6. Pickles

    Melb R6 No3 Star Missile.
    Hare is loosed at 4.40pm.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    Has anyone reported Kenny to White Ribbon Pty Ltd (Receivers and Managers Appointed)?

  8. calli

    This thread is getting a bit old and whiffey.

    There…a nice reed diffuser. Vanilla and napalm.

  9. Chris

    There…a nice reed diffuser. Vanilla and napalm.

    Ah love the smell of napalm in the… uh oh!

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Killing swine.’

    One of the great underrated and underused phrases.

  11. Top Ender

    On Sky just now:

    The ABC has launched an investigation into Monday night’s Q&A after receiving multiple complaints about the episode and its content.

    ABC Managing Director David Anderson said the ABC “acknowledges that the program was provocative in regard to the language used and some of the views presented”.

    “I can understand why some viewers found elements of this episode confronting or offensive,” he said.

    “We have received audience complaints about the program, are assessing the concerns raised and will investigate whether the program met the ABC’s editorial standards.”

    Yes Minister: Never launch an Inquiry unless you know what result you’ll get

  12. Steve trickler

    calli
    #3204118, posted on November 7, 2019 at 4:13 pm
    This thread is getting a bit old and whiffey.

    It is not dead yet.



    But it could bee soon.

  13. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3204121, posted on November 7, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    whether the program met the ABC’s editorial standards.”

    Yes it does, they only attacked white males.

  14. 8th Dan

    Ah love the smell of napalm

    He actually said:

    I love the smell of napalm

    Didn’t have your southern accent.

  15. zyconoclast

    Life expectancy for U.S. men slipped for a third straight year, according to new data from the National Center for Health Statistics.
    The average male lifespan stood at 76.1 years in 2017, a four-month decline since 2014.
    Drug overdose rates for men are almost twice as high as a decade ago.

  16. Chris

    Didn’t have your southern accent.

    My bad.

  17. P

    Scientists’ petition on climate crisis blocked over fake signatories – behind paywall

    Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind, Namibia made it through onto an official list published with a major article in BioScience on Tuesday.

    After the statement had been submitted to the journal, claiming the support of 11,000 world scientists, Mickey was joined on the list by Albus Dumbledore, Headmaster of Hogwarts.

    The first signature on the online list was Araminta Aadvark, professor of Zoology at University of Neasden, UK. Neasden University does not have a zoology department.

  18. zyconoclast

    The Prophet M00hamm3d had British values – so the only way to combat extremism is to teach more [email protected] in schools

    Many reading this will find it difficult to stomach, but the Pr0ph3t M00hamm3d had what we also call “British values”. Those values of social responsibility, respect for the rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect, and tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs that schools are now required to promote are not exclusively British, and are inherently [email protected] The teachings of the [email protected] are unambiguous on being inclusive, and treating others with justice and equality. There needn’t be a discrepancy between what is British and what is M00slim.

    The remedy to the poison of warped [email protected] ideology is clear, then – we must teach the realities of [email protected], that it is a religion of peace and tolerance. I strongly believe that it is a simple formula, one that requires no restriction of civil liberties or demonisation of minorities: M00slim scholarship must provide a genuine counter-narrative. Only then can young people be led to understand that groups like 1s1s use their religion an excuse – rather than a guide – to justify their barbaric actions.

  19. Roger

    “We have received audience complaints about the program, are assessing the concerns raised and will investigate whether the program met the ABC’s editorial standards.”

    The ABC has editorial standards?

    In that case, have a look at Triple J & Rage as well.

  20. Chris

    ‘Killing swine.’

    One of the great underrated and underused phrases.

    Remember Tom Sharpe, ‘Vintage Stuff’. After the deceived adventurer kills a couple of innocent speakers at a conference, he says they were just swine anyway…

  21. Knuckle Dragger:

    When this girly, who already has some degree of difficulty understanding the world around her, realises that she’s been used by all and sundry – particularly her parents – to make money at her expense and that she’s been thrown into the industrial bin when the next shiny young moppet comes along, and THEN decides to have a crack at this fancy heroin stuff everyone’s been talking about and ends up dead;

    Yairs, I put this point up the other day. Except I put the proviso that a mentally maladjusted girl with a weapon might just decide to off the ones who tormented her before she gets stuck into the green dream stuff.

  22. Chris

    The ABC has editorial standards?

    In that case, have a look at Triple J & Rage as well.

    Swine!?

  23. stackja

    Native timber logging to be phased out by 2030 in Victoria

    Daniel Andrews has denied the newly revealed native timber logging ban is aimed at pleasing inner-city voters, while annoucing a $120 million plan to transition the industry and its thousands of workers.
    Tom Minear and Kieran Rooney, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    November 7, 2019 4:01pm

    Native logging will be phased out in Victoria by 2030, with more than $120 million to be spent transitioning the industry and its thousands of workers.

    Premier Daniel Andrews on Thursday announced a 30-year plan that will require the state to produce all its wood from plantations.

    Companies will be guaranteed their current native supply deals until 2024 and will be expected to have fully transitioned to new sources by 2030.

    Logging in old growth forests will also be immediately banned as part of a plan to protect more than 96,000ha for the Greater Glider.

    Mr Andrews said the native logging industry had faced massive challenges.

    “We’ve seen in the last 10 years a 50 per cent reduction in output,” he said.

    “We will move to convert to full plantation supply for businesses like Australian Paper.

    “It’s not like we’re flicking a switch and saying from next week there’s no timber for you.

    “Some at the end of the other end of the argument, that’s the Green political party, are out there saying this is taking too long (and) others will say it’s too fast.

  24. Tom

    Looking for value in the VRC Oaks — grand final for 3yo fillies at Flemington (5.50pm) — all each way:

    1. Miami Bound (T: D. O’Brien. J: D. Oliver). 2. 2. Amazing Peace (T: P. Perry. J: N. Rawiller). 3. Silent Sovereign (T: T. McEvoy. J: J. Kah).

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Killing swine.’

    If you have any swine you can make a killing.

    Christmas ham prices to increase due to drought crisis (Nein news)

    Also the tiny little issue of a quarter of the global pig herd expiring from ASF recently.

  26. Steve trickler

    Enjoy. Crafty film making.

    A memory jog.



  27. Tailgunner

    Looking for value in the VRC Oaks

    Yeh,yeh.
    Why’d I put nuthin on the others,but a pineapple on this one?
    Fkn prick.
    😆😆

  28. Tailgunner

    You’ve had an epic Spring Carnival, Tom.
    Next year, you’re the guy.

  29. Tailgunner

    PS: I didn’t bet on the Oaks.
    I’ve been spanked, as usual, this Spring.
    Fkn horsies.
    Useless!
    Trump2020!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. Tom

    Like most punters, still thousands behind over the past decade, Gunner.

  31. Tailgunner

    Is there a new thread?
    Fk! Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been shouting at clouds on the ded one….

  32. Tailgunner

    Like most punters, still thousands behind over the past decade, Gunner.
    Yeh,yeh,nah,nah, the horsies are impossible,m8.
    But,sheeeet, you got the Derby&Cup Double.
    Not bad,bro
    Politics? Now there’s a worthy investment for political Cats!

  33. Tom

    Trump2020!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Load up.

  34. Tailgunner

    I love how you remarked, “yeh,the bloody thing trains at Thirteenth,just down the bloody road!”
    Awesome.
    ‘straya

  35. Tailgunner

    I lived in OG first year uni.
    Fk, it was a shithole in ’92!
    And I didn’t have wheels so had to surf down the street from my flat, Home&Away style

  36. Snoopy

    Gunner, is this you?

    The pianist’s fingers gives me doubt.

  37. Tailgunner

    Tried to hitch to 13th with my board one day, as Tracks had told me was doable.
    Lol, no dude.

  38. Tailgunner

    Snoops, yes, that would be me. But with a more height to weight appropriate girl.
    😎

  39. Pete of Perth

    I recommend Sinc is waiting for the open thread to reach 11001 comments before starting a new one. Just to piss off those climaggedon scientists.

  40. Tailgunner

    I did the full Bill Clinton’s at the Cup with my chick at the time.
    Cigars?
    BeauGan, get in here and help me explain!

  41. Tailgunner

    In a porta-loo.
    Lizzie,get in her and defend this race day debauchery

  42. Tom

    Most of Ocean Grove is still a shithole, Gunner. Expensive real estate, but lots of burglaries. You can still buy a place for under $500k in Collendina — a true real estate secret down behind the sandhills near the OG pub.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cop who was filmed laughing as he stoned a wombat to death STILL hasn’t been charged five weeks later despite 300,000 calling for him to be sacked

    Daily Mail.

  44. Tailgunner

    And,yes,smoked it.
    :smoking:

  45. Tailgunner

    a true real estate secret

    Sheet! It’s a bloody good spot. If you have an independent income…
    Not many Spot X’s around anymore in Vicco!

  46. Tailgunner

    Sorry, Oblast 65.
    I’ve always loved comrade Dan xxx

  47. Geriatric Mayfly

    An interesting museum in Christchurch commemorating Rutherford and his contribution to nuclear physics. It includes a basement “Lab” where he worked and a lecture theatre with the original wooden tiers of desks. Not much changes. Very little by way of memento scratched and chiselled into the woodwork near the front. Towards the back, the surfaces become more and more etched and gouged until there’s little space left to leave one’s mark.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    Similar experience, Gunner.

    Out the back of a joint in Racecourse Rd en route to the Q.

  49. Bruce of Newcastle

    Gunner – Your bruvvers must be unhappy with Dan today, seeing they gave a standing ovation to John Howard in similar circumstances.

  50. calli

    The headline is Imagine the stories these objects could tell.

    There was a time of innocence when I would take that at face value.

    Perhaps one of the objects could yield up a story about “welcome to country” and “smoking ceremony”.

    You just never know.

  51. areff

    The ABC finds its replacement for Snowcone at The Project. Oh, and don’t expect straight-bat treatment of any stories involving gayness or climaste change. His boyfriend, Jacob Fitzroy, is a former Youth Climate Coalition member.

    The Project’s Hamish Macdonald will host ABC’s Q&A next year, replacing outgoing presenter Tony Jones.

    The national broadcaster announced on Thursday that Macdonald would take over the weekly television show’s top job at the start of the next season in February.

    “I’m so passionate about telling the big stories of our time through Australian eyes, for an Australian audience,” said Macdonald.

    “This role will be a huge opportunity to make the most complicated issues accessible, engaging and exciting for all Australians, no matter where you live, no matter what you believe.”

    Macdonald has recently been hosting Radio National Breakfast and will continue his work there as a regular member of the on-air team. He will also continue reporting internationally with Foreign Correspondent.

    The Walkley-winning journalist also hosts the Ten Network’s news talk show The Sunday Project alongside Lisa Wilkinson and Tommy Little.

    “Hosting Q&A requires a special set of skills,” ABC News director Gaven Morris said.

    “It needs someone who is articulate and also a great listener, well connected, interested in everything and fully across news and current events at home and abroad.

    “Hamish can do all of that – and also brings his own brand of warmth and energy that audiences love. He is a terrific communicator, and an experienced and accomplished broadcaster.”

    Q&A’s founding presenter Tony Jones will depart at the end of the year after 12 years with the show.

    “Hosting Q&A requires a special set of skills,” ABC News director Gaven Morris said.

    Audience-stacking, strategic interrupting, terrorist cossetting …

  52. Tailgunner

    “This will not be easy, but the alternative is to do nothing,” the Premier said.

    What a Xunt.
    Get used to hearing this,proles.
    This is the future.
    cfmmeu, where are you?
    Thanks,Bruce

  53. Tailgunner

    Out the back of a joint in Racecourse Rd en route to the Q.

    Good stuff,Knuckles.
    Tequila on me please.
    I’ll get another so you don’t feel lonely
    👍

  54. Tailgunner

    It’s bloody deplorable weather in Yarragrad, btw.
    Flannerys, Westerly wind, 14 tomorrow.
    Lol

  55. Tailgunner

    Wankers with umbrellas &shit.

  56. Tailgunner

    Does JC roll with an umbrella in certain conditions??

  57. Some History

    Australia reacts to tennis legend Margaret Court’s call-out of Tennis Australia

    Tennis icon Margaret Court has once again divided opinion after calling on Tennis Australia (TA) to show her the same respect as Rod Laver when celebrating the 50th anniversary of her Grand Slam next year.
    Court won all four majors in 1970 and finished her career with 24 grand slam singles titles — the most in history — but has sparked controversy in recent years with her outspoken opposition to same-sex marriage.
    Gay marriage in Australia was legalised after the plebiscite in 2017 but Court disagrees with it on religious grounds because the Bible says marriage should be between a man and a woman.
    The 77-year-old has been hounded for her views with plenty demanding the court honouring her at Melbourne Park have its name changed.
    This year Aussie legend Laver was celebrated at all the majors in recognition of him winning the Grand Slam in 1969, and Court is adamant she deserves the same treatment, especially in her home country.
    Court’s call sparked plenty of debate in Australia.
    Australian comedian and host of Triple M Sydney’s breakfast program Lawrence Mooney said Court’s attitude towards gay people has no place in society.
    “You can’t use ‘her views are popular’ and ‘she has a right to use them’ to be homophobic, you just can’t be,” Mooney told Channel 9’s Today program.
    “And if you’re homophobic there’s no space for you in public life.
    “Discriminating about sexuality is a crime, so it is legislated against.
    “Margaret Court’s opinions on same sex marriage and sexuality are abhorrent and she should be hounded out of the sport until she falls into line.
    “It’s absolutely abhorrent.
    “Margie, catch up to 2019.
    “Margaret Court needs to stop discriminating against people.”

    RTWT

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/australia-reacts-to-tennis-legend-margaret-courts-callout-of-tennis-australia/news-story/80029e76a08b4e94425bd1b53d714f7d

  58. Tailgunner

    Bruce, I’m toying with the idea of bringing that up with the head Bruvvs.
    The boys want to know….
    Hmmm…risky trolling!!

  59. Tailgunner

    I’m actually utilising the same drunken/CBD ramblings with three girls at the moment too.
    Working beautifully.
    The IDGAF attitude? Priceless.
    h/t MasterCard

  60. Nick

    A gay ABC presenter and his partner Jacob Fitzroy. Pure parody

  61. cohenite

    The first signature on the online list was Araminta Aadvark, professor of Zoology at University of Neasden, UK. Neasden University does not have a zoology department.

    Araminta Station is from one of Jack Vance’s novels.

    Some one has been having fun with these dickheads.

  62. Some History

    Totalitarian comedian, Lawrence Mooney. He’s a real funny guy.

    https://imgur.com/Sn4pWRo

  63. Farmer Gez

    Miami Bound!
    Bloody hell Tom.
    What’s Santa getting me for Christmas?

  64. jupes

    Meanwhile in the sleepy little town of Mandurah, two families have been involved in a wild brawl at a girls basketball game. You can guess as to the type of families by the local MP’s call to “elders who have influence to calm tensions”.

    Note that three women were interviewed by police; ages 17, 35 and 71. There’s your “elders past present and emerging” that we are told to respect right there.

  65. Nick

    Thanks for the tip, Tom. I was chatting to my boss who is there and he got the trifecta

  66. Steve trickler

    Ridiculous skill. Even with a PC involved.



  67. Top Ender

    Ol’ WombatMan must be in a world of hurt.

    Anyone checked how he’s travelling?

    Probably getting stoned every night.

    As opposed to once and once only, the cretin.

  68. Tailgunner

    Tennis icon Margaret Court has once again divided opinion after calling on Tennis Australia (TA) to show her the same respect as Rod Laver when celebrating the 50th anniversary of her Grand Slam next year.

    Fkn suk,xunt.
    Respect

  69. Tom

    Training horses on the beach is the magic formula. Danny O’Brien has set up his training facility at 13th Beach as a replica of Newmarket (UK) with a bonus surf beach — horsey heaven!

  70. Nick

    Mooney isn’t particularly funny on radio. The huge amount of promotion going on for his morning show, only confirms it.

  71. Nick

    Imagine if Margaret Court had encouraged people to be killed. She’d get a gig on Q and A.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Note that three women were interviewed by police; ages 17, 35 and 71. There’s your “elders past present and emerging” that we are told to respect right there.

    Cite you the family feud in a certain Wheatbelt town that’s been going on for fifty years – the local coppers asked the Aboriginal Legal Service to help negotiate an agreement to end the feud, but it lasted a matter of a few weeks…

  73. Tailgunner

    “divided opinion”

    Um, no, the deplorables are all standing with Her.
    ‘straya

  74. Tailgunner

    Epic trolling by Mrs Court
    Deplorable Legend
    Respect

  75. Farmer Gez

    Lawrence Mooney has never extended himself any further than working his gob and sitting on his well padded arse.
    Hiding away on the publicly funded adolescent radio, he was never good enough to make it in the big time but thinks that snarling at champions like Court will lift his pathetic profile.

  76. Tailgunner

    Why can’t we use
    ‘straya
    as our flag?
    For the online/frag part of the revolution?
    Should I take it to the ‘chans?
    I reckon it works.
    Everyone smiles& laughs.
    This is good chess.
    h/t Dilbert Playa

  77. calli

    Australian comedian and host of Triple M Sydney’s breakfast program Lawrence Mooney said Court’s attitude towards gay people has no place in society.

    Shorter Mooney:

    Christians have no place in society.

    There. Say it you coward.

  78. Tailgunner

    Mooney did a great Malcolm the Great, let’s be real.

  79. Caveman

    Shorter Mooney

    If you get a chance to see the exchange on ch 9. Mooney was rabid. Looked like one of the characters from Clutch Cargo I dislike the guy a Fukn unfunny pig.

  80. Rex Mango:

    mole, Marylin Shepard’s bio reads very similar to a frequent contribitor here. Could she perhaps be his wife?

    No, MS is a utter looney. She lives within a self reverentual world that ignores reality and common sense.
    I remember her trying to to get onto Tim Blairs site and she couldn’t keep the looneyness at bay even with a T34 parked on it.

  81. calli

    Mooney is paid with my taxes.

    He is a bigot because of his sexuality.

    I want my money back.

  82. Some History

    LOL

    ‘Greta Shaming’ Photos of Climate Activist Being Used to Deter Israelis From Using Plastics in Workplace
    Swedish teenager’s face can be seen scowling disapprovingly in cafeterias and coffee corners across the land, in a bid to get Israelis to reduce usage of disposables

    The stern face of climate change activist Greta Thunberg has been greeting a growing number of office workers in their workplaces across Israel.
    Employees have been placing photos of a judgmental-looking Thunberg on top of their office’s supply of disposable cups, plastic plates and utensils, in a bid to make colleagues think twice before using products that create waste that can harm the environment.

    RTWT

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-photos-of-greta-thunberg-being-used-to-stop-israelis-using-disposables-at-work-1.8090477

  83. DrBeauGan

    Margaret Court was a winner and still is. Mooney the loony is and will always be a loser.

    Why do the losers pontificate so? We can all recognise them.

  84. calli

    Perhaps they can retailiate with this. Note the details.

    Or this.

    That’ll go down well in Israel.

  85. thefrollickingmole

    mole, Marylin Shepard’s bio reads very similar to a frequent contributor here. Could she perhaps be his wife?

    Probably the same person, Norman Bates style.

  86. calli

    Lol.

    Retaliate

    Although retail is the strong suit.

  87. Some History

    If you get a chance to see the exchange on ch 9. Mooney was rabid. Looked like one of the characters from Clutch Cargo I dislike the guy a Fukn unfunny pig.

    Video of the nitwit Mooney:

    https://twitter.com/TheTodayShow/status/1192176112073228288

  88. dover_beach

    That Babylon Bee diagram on assault rifles is hysterical.

  89. Some History

    There’s a poll at the link.

    Should Margaret Court be celebrated 50 years on from winning the Grand Slam?

    Yes
    72%

    No
    28%

    14439 Voters

  90. DrBeauGan

    Should Margaret Court be celebrated 50 years on from winning the Grand Slam?

    Yes
    72%

    No
    28%

    14439 Voters

    Looks like we’ve got the numbers.

  91. areff

    In regard to ABC talking heads, what a pity the Austrian Corporal didn’t have time to finish this research.

    Given the way the ABC pleasures Adam Bandt, could mass bottom sniffing in the cafeteria be any worse?

  92. thefrollickingmole

    ‘We Are Not The Enemy Of The People,’ Say Press Who Intentionally Deceive The People To Protect The Political Elite

    NEW YORK, NY—Various news outlets reminded the American people Tuesday that they are not their enemy, despite intentionally deceiving the people in order to protect the political elite.

    The media who literally allowed the people to be preyed upon by the rich and powerful rather than run information that might harm their elite buddies assured the people they are on our side.

    “We are not the enemy of the people,” said a spokesperson for ABC News, waving his hands in the air as though trying to perform some kind of Jedi mind trick. “Yes, I know it may seem that way when we cover up damaging information to protect the rich and powerful, but trust us when we say we know better than you.”

    “We are your friends,” he added in a hypnotic voice while swinging a stopwatch back and forth. “Say it with me: we are your friends. Yes, yes, gooooood.”

    CNN’s Brian Stelter agreed, saying that though he calls out the president for lying all the time, it’s different when the press does it. “Our lying is democratic lying,” Stelter said. “It’s for your own good.”

    “Also, Epstein definitely killed himself, and we don’t have any other information on that.”

  93. Tailgunner

    Looks like we’ve got the numbers.
    Hehe, deplorables

  94. Roger

    Shorter Mooney:

    Christians have no place in society.

    There. Say it you coward.

    Go one step further, I dares ya:

    Mueslis have no place in society.

  95. All those currently howling down Margaret Court are showing us that Tennis isn’t their priority – it’s virtue signalling their racist/sexist credentials.

  96. max

    ABC The Drum tonight had Greg Sheridan and an American Muslim who has just published a study of Jesus, whose general direction can be felt in “The person who lived 2,000 years ago, this poor, itinerant day labourer essentially started a movement that was seen as a threat to the greatest empire that the world had ever known.”

    Sheridan’s view that “@rezaaslan’s is an extremely eccentric position not held by many serious scholars at all to posit Jesus as a political revolutionary.” and that Christians are the most persecuted religious group today caused an Islamic hissy fit. The earpiece was torn out of the ear and flung down on the desk and he protested vociferously as the host tried to close the program. It was quite astonishing.

  97. mh

    Odds on Trump 2020 with BetEasy haven’t changed for a few weeks now. Still a solid $2.20

    Seems Democrat/MSM hysterics aren’t fooling anyone.

    #MAGA 🇺🇸

  98. max

    The Drum tonight had Greg Sheridan and an American Mu slim who has just published a study of Jesus, whose general direction can be felt in

    “The person who lived 2,000 years ago, this poor, itinerant day labourer essentially started a movement that was seen as a threat to the greatest empire that the world had ever known.”

    Sheridan’s view that

    “@rezaaslan’s is an extremely eccentric position not held by many serious scholars at all to posit Jesus as a political revolutionary.”

    and that Christians are the most persecuted religious group today caused an Is lamic hissy fit. The earpiece was torn out of the ear and flung down on the desk and he protested vociferously as the host tried to close the program. It was quite astonishing.

  99. Tom

    I suppose someone’s gotta watch that shit, Max. Glad it was you and not me.

  100. Rohan

    Mr Andrews said the native logging industry had faced massive challenges.

    “We’ve seen in the last 10 years a 50 per cent reduction in output,” he said.

    “We will move to convert to full plantation supply for businesses like Australian Paper.

    “It’s not like we’re flicking a switch and saying from next week there’s no timber for you.

    “Some at the end of the other end of the argument, that’s the Green political party, are out there saying this is taking too long (and) others will say it’s too fast.

    Andrews is so full of Marxist shit it isn’t funny.

    VicForests currently harvest regrowth forests on a 35-40 year rotation.

    They banned old growth logging 5 years ago.

    Pulpwood for fibre is almost entirely supplied from plantation timber.

    So if they start planting now for high value hardwood saw logs (decking, cladding etc), they’ll be ready to harvest in 2054-59. So how are these mills going to survive the 25-30 year gap? Once they are gone, they won’t come back.

    I also note that the big eared Marxist prick sacked the well respected industry oriented CEO of VicForests and replaced him with a fvcking lawyer. The fix is in.

  101. calli

    Roger
    #3204255, posted on November 7, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    Heh. This is The Cat.

    Escalations’R’us.

    And on the Cat, I see (on Father Brown) Lady Felicia is trying to sing “Morning Has Broken”, a Pressbutton hymn. Made famous by that other Pressbutton sympathiser, Yusuf SlimSlam.

    A segue within a segue. 🙂

  102. classical_hero

    The Bee is just so good.

  103. notafan

    Any nexflix recommendations?

    Someone mentioned a ww two thing ?

  104. Roger

    “@rezaaslan’s is an extremely eccentric position not held by many serious scholars at all to posit Jesus as a political revolutionary.”

    I concur.

    🙂

  105. max

    I suppose someone’s gotta watch that shit, Max. Glad it was you and not me.

    My phone account with the TAB was dry, Tom. I needed to forget.

  106. cohenite

    Australian comedian and host of Triple M Sydney’s breakfast program Lawrence Mooney said Court’s attitude towards gay people has no place in society.

    Crikey I just watched that interview; this guy is a fucking arsehole.

  107. Some History

    Another award for Greta™
    The 2019 Glamour Women of the Year Awards will take place at the legendary Alice Tully Hall at New York City’s iconic Lincoln Center. Since it opened in 1969, Alice Tully Hall has been home to world-class performances, concerts, and festivals.

    2019 Glamour Women of the Year Awards
    Award ceremony
    Date: Monday, November 11, 2019
    Location: Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, New York, United States

    2019 Glamour Women of the Year Awards Winners

    Tory Burch
    The Visionary

    Ava DuVernay
    The Trailblazer

    The Women of RAICES
    The Guardians

    Greta Thunberg
    The Revolutionary

    Megan Rapinoe
    The Champion

    Yara Shahidi
    The New Voice

    Charlize Theron
    The Rebel

    Margaret Atwood
    The Oracle

  108. Some History

    From the following link, tickets are

    The Summit – $300
    The Awards – $1,500
    The Summit & Awards – $1,650

    https://glamourwoty.com/the-awards/

  109. Rockdoctor

    Australian comedian and host of Triple M Sydney’s breakfast program Lawrence Mooney said Court’s attitude towards gay people has no place in society.

    Crikey I just watched that interview; this guy is a fucking arsehole.

    Never heard of the bloke till today & was unaware who his employer was till I was up thread. Obviously a Z grade comic… Apparently he is some oracle on what the run of the mill Australian thinks though.

  110. Dr Faustus

    The first signature on the online list was Araminta Aadvark, professor of Zoology at University of Neasden, UK. Neasden University does not have a zoology department.

    There’s a reason for that.
    Neasdon doesn’t have a University.

    Whoever signed is a fan of Private Eye.

  111. Roger

    The ABC has finally found something it likes about Australian culture:

    Its attachment to the ABC: “It’s part of our culture” says Justine Clarke on one of those pro-ABC ads theABC is running before the news on the ABC.

    Your tax dollars at work, comrades.

  112. Top Ender

    3,365 comments so far.

    Must be a record?

  113. calli

    glamour. Archaic a magic spell or charm. seemingly mysterious and elusive fascination or allure; bewitching charm. elegance, luxury, high fashion, etc. or their aura around a person, situation, etc.

    Yep. Glamour is not real. It’s a trap.

    The ancients knew it.

  114. Muddy

    zyconoclast
    #3204129, posted on November 7, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    Hoard of golden treasure stumbled upon by metal detectorist revealed to be most important Anglo-Saxon find in history

    Appreciated the link thanks, zyconoclast.

  115. Roger

    Stanthorpe QLD residents down to 80l of water per day.

    They’ve had a new dam proposal battling green and red tape since 2006.

    A fine example of government serving the needs of the people.

  116. Muddy

    Some History
    #3204283, posted on November 7, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    Another award for Greta™
    The 2019 Glamour Women of the Year Awards

    I suggested some time ago that Catallaxy awards (The Napalm Furball for Sound Economic Management goes to…) might have promise, but I heard nothing above my tinnitus.

  117. Dr Faustus

    “The person who lived 2,000 years ago, this poor, itinerant day labourer essentially started a movement that was seen as a threat to the greatest empire that the world had ever known.”

    Go on the Iranian equivalent of the Drum and suggest that Mo was an opportunist who saw a quid in inventing a new religion – and see whether the reaction is:

    A) An amused snort; or
    B) A brisk click on the TV remote to change to Peppa Pig.

  118. calli

    Best Christmas movie evah on Mate. You know the one I mean. 😁

  119. calli

    Hint – “that baby’s ready to tend bar”.

    Will this thread ever end?

  120. Rockdoctor

    Best Christmas movie evah on Mate. You know the one I mean. 😁

    Yeah, na… Will save for Christmas Eve and the howls of “again!” from the kitchen…

  121. Boambee John

    Max at 1948

    My phone account with the TAB was dry, Tom. I needed to forget.

    There are better techniques.

    Two French Foreign Legionaires swilling down rough wine in an estaminet near their Saharan fort.

    Legionaire 1: “Tell me, mon ami, why did you join the Legion?”

    Legionaire 2, emphatically, after a goodly swig of plonk: “I joined the Legion to forget!”

    Legionaire 1: “What did you want to forget?”

    Legionaire 2, after some thought: “I dunno, I forgot.”

  122. Tom

    Will this thread ever end?

    No need to because of the software, Calli. Have a Tim Tam. LOL.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    The single disadvantage of being single in this day and age is having no-one to scratch your back.

    Been reverse dry-humping the door frame for 15 minutes.

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    Like a bear against a pine tree.

  125. mh

    KD, I expect the Top End build up has given you a skin infection.

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    Hey, I’m not eating my own scabs over here.

  127. RobK

    KD,
    A good broad spectrum drench should fix it.

  128. Beertruk

    The ABC has launched an investigation into Monday night’s Q&A after receiving multiple complaints about the episode and its content.

    Their ABC investigating Their ABC. Riiiiiighhhtttt…

  129. johanna

    I love this story, about red bellied black snakes hunting for dinner in the water:

    It’s not every day that you spot one of Australia’s venomous snakes cruising underwater, hunting and catching a native fish among rocky terrain in an Adelaide river.
    Key points:

    The footage was captured along the River Torrens in the Adelaide Hills on Wednesday
    The snake can be seen surfacing from under a rock with a fish in its mouth
    An expert says red-bellied black snakes are common in dams, creeks and waterways

    Adelaide’s Sean Haydon caught — on camera — a red-bellied black snake hunting for fish along Adelaide’s River Torrens yesterday.

    Mr Haydon said the footage was taken on Wednesday about 11:30am near the Cudlee Creek township, in the Adelaide Hills.

    In the video, the snake can be seen manoeuvring around rocks in the river before surfacing from underneath a rock with a fish in its mouth.
    a red-bellied black snake in the water
    Photo: The snake disappeared under the rocks after capturing the fish. (Sean Haydon)

    “I knew they eat fish but have never seen one searching under rocks for fish,” he told the ABC.

    “At the end the snake moves under a large rock. [We] didn’t see it eating but moving away out of site.

    I like snakes, apart from browns, which should have their heads taken off with a shovel at every opportunity.

    There were lots of red-bellies around Burning Palms, where I spent every Christmas/New Year for a decade. They are timid, the best plan is to make a lot of noise as you walk around, and you will see them slithering away in front of you. Beautiful creatures. I never knew that they had an aquatic side. There were a few creeks running down to the beach, so maybe they went hunting for fish and crustaceans there.

    They have a nasty bite, but you would have to stand on one to get bitten.

  130. Snoopy

    TheirABC:

    New Zealand has passed a law to cut greenhouse emissions by 2050 and in doing so keep global warming below a rise of 1.5 degrees Celsius

    Pressure’s off. We can do what we like. Thanks Jacinda.

  131. calli

    She’s on “the right side of history”.

    A rare achievement for a leftie.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    Neasdon doesn’t have a University.
    Whoever signed is a fan of Private Eye.

    Dr B. I doubt Private Eye would grant even Neasden any pretensions whatsoever to being a repository of educational advancement. That honour went to the North Circular Polytechnic, formerly The Winnie Mandela Day Care Centre.

  133. mh

    Has Ash Barty reached 24 Grand Slam Tournament Singles Titles yet?

    Oh. Just the one.

  134. custard

    Observations in retail in WA.
    September for us was a disaster with Joe Public nowhere to be seen. I’m good at what I do and sold only one unit (caravan) on the last working day of the month! October I sold 11 ! We had a great month!
    By the time I walk out of work tomorrow week, I’ll have worked 12 days straight and hopefully will have kicked a few goals because so far I’ve done nothing in November.
    The annual 4 wheel drive and outdoor show is on this weekend so fingers crossed.

  135. Geriatric Mayfly

    “I knew they eat fish but have never seen one searching under rocks for fish,” he told the ABC

    I could have told the ABC that. Black tiger snakes in Tasmania are very adept at it, and can stay submerged, while foraging, for considerable periods.

  136. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The annual 4 wheel drive and outdoor show is on this weekend so fingers crossed.

    All the best, custard.

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    Tiger snakes love golf balls.

    This is a fact well known to sandbelt golfers. Send a Titleist into any grass over ankle height and it will attract at least one specimen getting up close and personal.

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    Tiger snakes love golf b#lls.

    This is a fact well known to sandbelt golfers. Send a Titleist into any grass over ankle height and it will attract at least one specimen getting up close and personal with it.

  139. Nelson Kidd-Players

    All the best, Custard, but it sounds like your industry is tracking the car industry. Low interest rates signalling difficulties ahead, not a life with recreation time to burn. A Trumpian economic kick-start is what we need, but won’t get.

  140. calli

    Custard. The New Broom tells me enquiry rates are down. Building, so a bit different.

    Canary, meet the coal mine.

  141. Knuckle Dragger

    The Festivus episode of Seinfeld is on.

    Frank Costanza is beginning the Airing of Grievances.

    The Feats of Strength to follow.

  142. johanna

    Mayfly, that is interesting.

    As usual, what we don’t know about the natural world is beyond computation.

    I now know that there are at least two terrestrial snakes that hunt in the water. I didn’t know that yesterday.

    Kewl. 🙂

  143. hzhousewife

    If I were Rod Laver I would be writing to Tennis Australia reminding them that they are a sporting organisation, not the moral arbiters of the population.

  144. custard

    Calli , NK-P

    I’m fortunate. I just happen to be selling the best brand by far Avan. We are Australia’s number two brand and we have a huge point of difference in the market.
    The rest of the field are largely a mirror of each other.
    But yes I fear difficult times ahead.

  145. Tom

    Canary, meet the coal mine.

    ScoMo is determined to have the approval of the UN parasite class as he kills the Australian economy. Too stupid to survive politically.

  146. areff

    Worse than that, Tom. Look at the way he backed the Ayers Rock closure. Disgusting.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    Attention blokes.

    Specifically, blokes without ladeeees in earshot.

    Second drawer down in the kitchen there is a plastic spoony thing that resembles a very small upside down hand on one end. Its intended purpose, I believe, is something to do with retrieving boiled eggs from hot water.

    Excellent back scratcher.

  148. hzhousewife

    Someone’s been to a Tupperware party…..

  149. Gab

    Hope Delta A is faring well. Thinking of you often, Delta A.

  150. RobK

    All the best Custard. Just quietly, many WA farmers are in for a skinny year.

  151. max

    The reckoning with China is inevitable. In fact, the longer the delay, the worse it will be:

    Chinese parties have already been criminally taking American information, intellectual property and data for decades, worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year. This continuing crime is essential to China’s implementation of numerous industrial policies, especially the controversial “Made in China 2025” initiative, a decade-long program to achieve dominance in technology sectors, including 5G.

    Theft is by no means the full extent of the harm. China, with control of 5G, will be in a position to remotely manipulate the world’s devices. In peacetime, Beijing could have the ability to drive cars off cliffs, unlock front doors, and turn off pacemakers. In war, Beijing could paralyze critical infrastructure.

    “China’s game,” Goldman wrote in an e-mail, “is to control the broadband, and then the e-commerce, and then the e-finance, and then all the tech startups servicing the ‘ecosystem,’ and then the logistics.” As he told me this year, “The world will become a Chinese company store.”

    There is no mystery to how Beijing thinks it will grab control of the store. The Chinese will use Huawei Technologies.

    Huawei, built on stolen U.S. technology, is the world’s leading telecom-equipment manufacturer and is fast becoming the world’s 5G provider. As Goldman writes, “Huawei has signed equipment agreements with every telecom provider on the Eurasian continent.”

    Beijing, since Huawei’s founding in 1987, has been subsidizing sales of the company’s equipment and otherwise promoting its wares. No prizes for guessing why. As Senator Marsha Blackburn told Fox News in July, Huawei is Beijing’s “mechanism for spying.” For instance, Beijing pilfered data from the African Union through Huawei servers located in the building the Chinese donated.

    So, Huawei is a dagger aimed at the heart of America, and as the unnamed adviser quoted by Goldman suggests, the threat is a mortal one.

    There are various strategies for meeting China’s 5G challenge, but the most direct one is crippling Huawei. The Trump administration has taken steps to do so, but now that effort is on the verge of collapse.

    In fact, the Commerce Department looks set to support that dangerous Chinese firm. On Sunday, in an interview with Bloomberg Television in Bangkok, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said his department will “very shortly” grant exemptions from its Entity List designation to allow sales to Huawei.

    “We’re in good shape, we’re making good progress, and there’s no natural reason why it couldn’t be,” Ross told the business channel.

    In May, Ross’s Commerce Department added the Chinese telecom-equipment provider to its Entity List, so that American businesses needed prior approval to sell or license to Huawei the products and technology covered by U.S. export regulations. Since then, Commerce has granted two 90-day waivers from these prohibitions. The second waiver will expire November 19.

    Commerce, it appears, will not issue another across-the-board waiver but will instead grant exemptions to specific companies. Ross said he has received 260 waiver requests.

  152. Rococo Liberal

    Reporting live from the Tony Abbot Tribute. John Howard just have a magnificent speech.

  153. custard

    RobK

    My little knowledge of the farming scene tells me that areas north of the Great Eastern Highway, west of the Albany Highway this year will do okay. The rest is patchy AFAIK

    Zulu knows.

  154. johanna

    Heh – Tupperware.

    Despite making a lot of things that nobody wants or needs, good Tupperware is da bomb.

    I have a few long glass-type things with perfect seal lids which are excellent for shaking up liquids like salad dressing or Martinis. Had them for 40+ years, good as gold.

    I also have a small mat with bobbles on both sides, very useful for opening jars with my arthritic hands.

    I think their problem is that the stuff lasts forever, no quick replacement sales, like NEC personal computers. NEC got out of personal computers because the product was so good, it was rarely replaced, unlike the junk everyone else was selling. Mine went reliably for 17 years.

    Tupperware parties were a thing in the 1960s and 70s. Unlike their equivalents today, they were selling an excellent product.

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    RobK

    My little knowledge of the farming scene tells me that areas north of the Great Eastern Highway, west of the Albany Highway this year will do okay. The rest is patchy AFAIK

    Zulu knows

    The Eastern Wheatbelt, where my operation is located, had less then half the average annual rainfall – we are in for rather a skinny year, with a below average harvest.

  156. MatrixTransform

    Unlike their equivalents today, they were selling an excellent product.

    Sistema is good stuff … where’s it made Arky?

  157. RobK

    Zulu knows
    Im in central coastal mid west.
    Cumulative annual rainfall is tracking below the 1 decile.
    Pasture looks now how it usually looks at the end of January normally.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Second drawer down in the kitchen there is a plastic spoony thing that resembles a very small upside down hand on one end. Its intended purpose, I believe, is something to do with retrieving boiled eggs from hot water.

    Excellent back scratcher.

    Wrong tool.
    That one is exclusively for scrotum work.

  159. Knuckle Dragger

    Boxing on the teev.

    WBC, welters by the look of them.

    A French Algerian-looking bloke against a Jappo with green hair.

    I’m genuinely torn.

  160. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now this one I have not seen. Met two young brother anglers in Tasmania, from Scotland. Conversation was long and varied. Their tale of a tiger snake sitting in the weed on Lake Kay and catching mayflies as they drifted past, led me to enquire what fondness for exotic substances these two might have. They were adamant and not to be moved.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    They would be the drop tiger snakes, GM.

    Sightings are reputedly quite rare. Almost Loch ness-like.

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m going for the French bloke, purely from a Foreign Legion perspective.

  163. China believes that warfare occurs across the entire spectrum of human behaviour, which is why they’ve been winning for the last forty years. We have been out maneuvered.
    They are also going to teach us that mass in war is not to be ignored. Our reliance on technologically advanced vehicles/aircraft/vessels is very similar to Germany’s military thinking in the last war. They found out the hard way that mass is important.

    But I suspect everyone is tired of me saying so, so that’s the last I’ll say on the subject until my opinion is asked for.
    …g’nite.

  164. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Im in central coastal mid west.
    Cumulative annual rainfall is tracking below the 1 decile.
    Pasture looks now how it usually looks at the end of January normally.

    Things weren’t looking too bad at the end of August, but the dry September bit us on the ar$e properly.

  165. johanna

    OK, I’m asking. Winston.

    You’re not hitting the pit just yet. 🙂

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    Winston,

    A1. Completely agree.

    They think in generations. We think in 24 hour news cycles.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    I think that would of been a Congo eel.
    For real.

  168. RobK

    dry September bit us on the ar$e properly.
    Same here.
    Winston,
    I also agree.

  169. Knuckle Dragger

    In WW2, China was to Japan what Russia was to the Chermans.

    No matter how many they killed, captured or how much land they took, there was always horizon after horizon of the same shit.

    I’ve read letters home from Cherman tank commanders rolling through the steppes on the approaches to Stalingrad, telling their frauleins how they seemed to be drowning in an endless country.

  170. DrBeauGan

    Was invited to a sort of investment seminar run by BT. Found the place in or fairly near St. George’s Terrace and went up to the right room. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be there, but I’d said I would go,so did. 5:30 for 5:45. Nothing happened until.six except I checked out the drinks and nibbles. I got a warm white Margaret River something, a peculiar thing that had those Japanese mushrooms in it and what turned out to be a soy dip. Then an arancini ball which l suspect was vegan. And a pile of literature from various companies wanting to get their hands on my money. I sat down feeling very gloomy.

    But I was saved. At six pm a woman came on and welcomed us. Then she started a standard spiel:

    “We acknowledge the original owners of the land…” I stood up and said “I don’t ” in a loud clear voice and marched out. The way I see it is, starting a seminar on finance with a piece of fatuous, hypocritical, patronising bullshit sets the tone so low that it couldn’t be tolerated by anyone with an ounce of self respect. So I had a good reason to exit. And did.

    I have a very low tolerance for bullshit. Those who didn’t are probably still there, which serves them right.

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    They would be the drop tiger snakes, GM.

    You’ve got me there KD. Yesterday we had cup cakes, patty cakes and scones provoking lively debate. Drop scones and drop tigers, are they by any chance related?

  172. Lazlo

    GM Tiger snakes are rife in the Central Plateau area of Tasmania, also a haven for anglers. Their report does not surprise me at all.

    Whereas the pub in Miena is truly one for the ages.

  173. Top Ender

    Peter FitzSimons delivers for progressives with Andrew Olle Lecture
    THE MOCKER

    When Sydney Morning Herald columnist and author Peter FitzSimons delivered the annual Andrew Olle Lecture last Friday night, he likened journalism to a “shimmering thing on high”, a profession “elevated by precious principles forged in liberal democratic nations over the centuries, and throwing out light in dozens of directions at once”.

    So does a Ferris wheel you could say, but let’s not go there. We get the point, shining a light in dark corners, sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that. Paying tribute to the late Olle, FitzSimons spoke of his “total even-handedness, the complete effacement of his own opinions on something, with the sole goal of getting to the heart of the matter”. And then he came to what was the crux of his own journalistic ethos: “As much as I admired that quality … I have come to love the journalism of advocacy, of using the precious platform to advance causes I do passionately believe in, citing incontrovertible facts to push those causes”.

    That FitzSimons believes passionately in advocacy journalism — an oxymoron — is no surprise. Anyone who has read and seen the bandana-clad pontificator knows well his love of being seen at the vanguard of whatever progressive cause is in vogue. Complementing this is his outright contempt of differing views, his hectoring others through sanctimonious open letters, his pompous moralising in the name of “the people”, and his targeting of prominent conservative Christians such as tennis great Margaret Court and former Wallabies player Israel Folau for their opposition to same sex marriage.

    His regarding this as journalism is one thing. That the ABC saw fit for him to deliver the Olle Lecture — the subject of which is the role and future of media — is another. It is not so much as a tacit endorsement of the Fitz-philosophy, for he is your follower, not instigator, of activist movements. Rather it was the organisation using a devotee to signal its interpretation of the ABC Charter. It was also the occasion to make public what the ABC considers to be typical feedback.

    And what a beautiful paean it was. The ABC, FitzSimons declared, was “the unassailable rock that will help see us through,” adding it helps “sustain our democracy” and “nourish the national soul around the country’s campfire”.

    “We need the federal government and the people to get behind the core notion that the stronger the national broadcaster is, the more informed the population, the stronger is our democracy and the stronger our national fabric — and that the ABC is worth the cost,” he said.

    Indeed, that is just what viewers must have been thinking when they watched the ABC flagship program Q&A on Monday, which featured an all-female panel that enthusiastically condoned political violence, murder, destruction of property and the disbanding of police institutions as a means of furthering their cause against patriarchy and so-called colonists. I could only think of how much better informed we are as a result, and how essential this taxpayer-funded program is in strengthening our democracy and reinforcing our national cohesion.

    But the richest part of FitzSimons’s oration was his observations about the media’s failings. “All too often we play on deep-seated fears as we strain to whip up the mob,” he lamented. Much could be said in response, but one example will suffice. Speaking in June on the subject of Folau’s successful appeal for fundraising to pursue Rugby Australia for unfair dismissal, FitzSimons tweeted: “We the people need to harness our rage at #Folau and do something useful with it …”

    Is that an example of what he meant in his oration when he said the media should prefer “the complex, positive, generous and more nuanced” over “the simplistic, the negative and the mean-spirited”?

    Let’s reword FitzSimons’ speech to recognise the faults of Australian journalism:

    All of you here would have the heard the journalist’s creed “It’s never about you, it’s always about the story”. Those of us who observe that principle, however, are few, to the detriment of our profession.

    I refer to what you might call ‘moi’ journalism, a phenomenon aggravated by social media and the incessant need to seek affirmation. This is what our profession has become. The story and analysis take second place to our feelings, our preening, our desire to be seen on what is nonsensically labelled as “the right side of history”. But it is a mistake to imagine the number of likes or sad emojis on social media is a reliable reflection of public opinion. To do so will make you look foolish and superficial.

    Instead of championing free speech as journalists should, we resort to weasel words and even self-censor so as not to cause offence. Here’s a tip: if you frequently use terms such as hate speech, toxic masculinity, white privilege, safe space, inappropriate, offensive, cultural appropriation, decolonisation, shock jocks, unconscious bias, etc, chances are you are writing drivel.

    To be given a public platform is an honour and you should respect your audience accordingly. They want to hear an appraisal backed up by facts. They do not want to hear you plug your books, name-drop, or listen to you self-indulge while you talk of glory days in another life.

    Respect the adage “A little learning is a dangerous thing”. A favourable transformation in size does not make you an expert in weight loss; a few knocks to the melon during your rugby days does not make you an expert on concussion.

    To my ABC colleagues here, I suppose you want me to harp on about our magnificent national broadcaster and how it is worthy of the one billion plus per year it receives in taxpayer funding. I also suppose you would like me to deplore the fact that this mean-spirited government deprives you of further money and to stress that, in your words, there is “no more fat to cut”.

    Let me just provide just a few examples from “ABC Life” to show how cash-strapped you apparently are. First, “What we do with our armpit hair is a choice, so why don’t we treat it like one?” Second, “Am I being unfaithful if I fantasise about other people or scenarios during sex?” And third, “More orgasms for women: It’s time to close the masturbation gap”. Shall I go on or have I made my point?

    You talk of cohesion, yet you encourage tribalism. You criticise governments for lack of openness and transparency, yet you refuse even to disclose the taxpayer-funded salaries of your senior presenters. You speak reverently of foreign peoples and their ancient traditions, yet you disparage Western civilisation and all its institutions. You urge the public to respect science, yet you regard belief in climate change as an article of faith, and any questioning of it as heresy. You loudly espouse egalitarianism, yet you favour elitism.

    You have a skewed view of the ABC Charter, particularly the statutory obligation to broadcast obligations that reflect the cultural diversity of Australia. In your mind, the ABC culture is proof that progressive utopia is attainable, but you ignore its financial dependence on the despised bourgeoise. To you, anything conservative is anathema. Apart from your regional colleagues, you are indifferent to the perspectives of those in suburbia. Your panels are the personification of groupthink. Your idea of tapping into mainstream Australia is a two-day workshop in Bankstown.

    To all journalists, I must emphasise that our profession is about exposing hypocrisy, not espousing it. Our job is to report the facts objectively, not take partisan positions. If your preference is for advocacy journalism, then you have no business in this industry and no right to be taken seriously. To run with the pack is the antithesis of good journalism, as well as the trait of those easily led.

    Lastly, journalism is a noble profession, but not an esoteric one. It requires tenacity, objectivity, intuition, thoroughness and people skills. Regard it as a calling or some “shimmering thing” akin to a holy grail, and you will be blinded by the light of moi journalism. To quote former cricket captain Ian Chappell: “Peter, where is it, I can’t see it — the spotlight that you’re always searching for.”

    THE MOCKER
    The Mocker amuses himself by calling out poseurs, sneering social commentators, and po-faced officials.

    Link

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    Brian Taylor runs investment seminars?

  175. RobK

    Drop scones and drop tigers, are they by any chance related?
    Prolly related to drop-kicks at XR rallies.

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    GM Tiger snakes are rife in the Central Plateau area of Tasmania, also a haven for anglers. Their report does not surprise me at all.

    On first name terms with many of them. Fairly docile when compared to some tigers I have encountered around the Goulburn River. Not too many days up on that God forsaken plateau bring bliss to a reptile.

  177. Knuckle Dragger

    Geez that Mocker’s good. I mean really, really good.

    Nails it every single goddamn time, and the man can write.

  178. Lazlo

    The Central Plateau is essentially a marsh interspersed with deeper water (lakes). It also semi freezes in winter, a sort of sub-tundra. Not a nice place unless you are an angler. The local Tigers have adapted there, hence their behaviours, and are said to be aggressive blighters rather than blissful.

  179. Knuckle Dragger

    Beaugy,

    Poor preparation.

    Do it again, and this time when you walk off ‘accidentally’ drop a handful of business cards that indicate you’re the Australian rep of a Chinese billionaire specialising in wind turbine manufacture.

  180. DrBeauGan

    Brian Taylor runs investment seminars?

    Dunno what BT stands for. It means British Telecom to me, but that was wrong. It’s affiliated with Westpac in some way. The bloke doing the organising was quite sensible, or I think so. If he’s responsible for vegan nibbles and warm white wine, not to mention acknowledging the original owners then he’s lost me.

  181. jupes

    “We acknowledge the original owners of the land…” I stood up and said “I don’t ” in a loud clear voice and marched out. The way I see it is, starting a seminar on finance with a piece of fatuous, hypocritical, patronising bullshit sets the tone so low that it couldn’t be tolerated by anyone with an ounce of self respect. So I had a good reason to exit. And did.

    Lol. Good on you Beaugy. Champion.

  182. Top Ender

    Dr BG, maybe another good one might be: “I thought this was a finance seminar, not a political lecture” and then walk out.

    Might make some of these virtue-signallers realise “Go woke, go broke.”

  183. Steve trickler

    Horrible women. Despicable, pathetic creatures on show.



  184. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dr BG, maybe another good one might be: “I thought this was a finance seminar, not a political lecture” and then walk out.

    Top Ender, I’ll steal that one and use it, thank you in advance.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dunno what BT stands for. It means British Telecom to me, but that was wrong. It’s affiliated with Westpac in some way

    From memory, they used to be Bankers Trust – the superannuation and financial planning arm of Westpac.

  186. max

    “We acknowledge the original owners of the land…” I stood up and said “I don’t ” in a loud clear voice and marched out.

    Good for you, Doc. Bloody marvelous.

  187. DrBeauGan

    Dr BG, maybe another good one might be: “I thought this was a finance seminar, not a political lecture” and then walk out.

    Might make some of these virtue-signallers realise “Go woke, go broke.”

    I daresay the poor woman was under instructions to peddle the shit, so I didn’t want to damn her for it, but putting up with bullshit just encourages the bastards.

    I’m sure everyone there knew it was ritualistic bullshit and meaningless, but they’d got used to putting up with it. I haven’t and won’t. If they want my company and questions then they can cut the crap.

  188. Steve trickler

    I need to get the redhead dickhead out of me head.

    All that aside, a touching story ensues.



  189. Knuckle Dragger

    Or, Beaugy;

    You could have waited until the tart got through ‘We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land -‘ and cut her off with ‘Thank you, and about time. I expect to pay zero fees on my potential investment as it will no doubt occur on my traditional land’.

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    but putting up with bullshit just encourages the bastards.

    I’ve seen an ANZAC day service that began with a “welcome to country.” Two of the local veterans walked out, and it was years before I ever went to another service.

  191. DrBeauGan

    From memory, they used to be Bankers Trust – the superannuation and financial planning arm of Westpac.

    Sounds right, Zulu.

    I read the bumf on offer, and I can read much faster than they can talk, so I doubt if I missed much. Pendal seemed half adult. It was aimed at smsf people, of which I am not one, and was basically a begging exercise to get into something broader than asx shares. Not an unreasonable thing to try selling, but their fees are excessive.

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    but putting up with bullshit just encourages the bastards.

    For whatever reason, I was at a D.V.A. seminar, that would have been half ex – servicemen, and the other half were public servants. After the “acknowledgment of the traditional owners” – we all looked out of the window with a ruthless detachment – it was noted that, at the next such seminar, all the ex – servicemen were five minutes late…

  193. DrBeauGan

    I’ve seen an ANZAC day service that began with a “welcome to country.” Two of the local veterans walked out, and it was years before I ever went to another service.

    Everyone should have walked out. Being welcomed to your own country is grotesque.

  194. Zyconoclast

    Exclusive: Italy to make climate change study compulsory in schools

    Many traditional subjects, such as geography, mathematics and physics, would also be studied from the perspective of sustainable development,

  195. DrBeauGan

    Many traditional subjects, such as geography, mathematics and physics, would also be studied from the perspective of sustainable development,

    When are we going to put a stop to this ignorant garbage? The idiots who push it know bugger all about mathematics and physics, and not much about geography.

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ALP review: Labor is weak, risky and unpopular
    Anthony Albanese, pictured here with Bill Shorten and Tanya Plibersek, will respond to the review in a speech to the National Press Club on Friday.

    Geoff Chambers
    Federal Political Correspondent
    @Chambersgc
    Simon Benson
    National Affairs Editor
    Greg Brown
    Journalist
    @gregbrown_TheOz
    2 minutes ago November 8, 2019
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    Anthony Albanese has been granted a mandate to reposition the Labor Party by junking ­unpopular Bill Shorten-era policies, dropping its anti-coal rhetoric and limiting big-spending promises to reconnect with voters in the outer suburbs and regions.

    In a damning 91-page election post-­mortem, party elders Craig Emerson and Jay Weatherill exposed­ a “cluttered policy agenda that looked risky” and criticised the ALP’s inability to adapt its strategy to combat Scott Morrison as key factors in its third successive election loss.

    The review also sounded the alarm on a fracture in the party’s support base — between working people under economic pressures and those who want Labor to ­address progressive, political grievances. It warned “care needs to be taken to avoid Labor becoming a grievance-focused organisation” but also said the ALP should not abandon its “commitment to social justice”.

    The review listed 60 “findings” but rejected an overhaul of ALP values and ­refused to condemn the party’s class-war tax agenda, shifting blame on to a “weak strategy”, Bill Shorten’s unpopularity and a failure to sell its policies.

    It dismissed the argument that Labor’s franking credits and negative gearing tax policies “cost the party the election” but conceded the “size and complexity” of the former leader’s $100bn-plus spending spree fuelled anxieties in regional and suburban voters.

    Mr Albanese, who will respond to the review in a speech at the ­National Press Club on Friday, is expected to endorse all 26 recommendations. Labor’s Senate leader, Penny Wong, said the party should act on all of them.

    Mr Shorten, who remains on the frontbench, said he would run a different campaign if “the universe (were) to grant re-runs”. “I would campaign with fewer messages, more greatly emphasise the jobs opportunities in renewable energies and take a different position on franking credits,” he said.

    The Prime Minister said last night the Coalition’s ability to “speak clearly” to aspirational Australians was a key factor in its re-election.

    Mr Albanese, a long-time rival of Mr Shorten, is expected to use the review to junk unpopular policies, adopt a small-target strategy, reshape Labor’s approach to ­climate change, and implement a digital campaign strategy that is less focused on the leader.

    The Australian understands Mr Albanese will continue to shift Labor away from class-war ­rhetoric and embrace a pro-jobs, pro-growth agenda, in a bid to shift the party back to the centre and ­reclaim votes in Queensland and Western Australia.

    The Emerson-Weatherill report, which was leaked to The Australian ahead of its release, also criticised Labor’s “ambiguous ­language on Adani” and anti-coal rhetoric, which triggered record swings against the ALP in regional Queensland and the Hunter Valley in NSW.

    It found ­Chinese-Australians, Christians, Queenslanders, regional communities, low-income and outer-suburban voters swung strongly against Labor, while ­tertiary-educated, higher-income Australians swung strongly to the ALP.

    From the Oz.

  197. Steve trickler

    Part 3. Great work.



  198. EvilElvis

    Observations in retail in WA.

    Hospitality doing it tough to. The economy is dead in the water. Yet government of every fucking level is squeezing harder to get blood out of the stone. A royal commission into mental health issues resulting from ATO dealings should be on the cards. That’s if Scomo the fuckwit ever changes the channel from drought and farmers, FMD.

  199. classical_hero

    We need economic reform to get the economy growing again.

  200. classical_hero

    Or maybe a recession to flush out the bad in the economy.

  201. BrettW

    “Yet government of every fucking level is squeezing harder to get blood out of the stone”.

    But not to worry as our Federal public servants are far more highly paid than their equivalents in USA and UK.

  202. Stimpson J. Cat

    Planned Parenthood
    @PPFA
    Idk who needs to hear this but virginity is a made-up social construct, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your hymen.
    5:10 AM · Nov 7, 2019

  203. DrBeauGan

    Idk who needs to hear this but virginity is a made-up social construct, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your hymen

    That’s good, because I don’t have one.

  204. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    It certainly gets quiet around here in the wee hours, doesn’t it.

  205. classical_hero

    The media are certainly in the tank for criminals. The alleged whistleblower of the Epstein coverup got fired by CBS.

  206. bespoke

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3205330, posted on November 8, 2019 at 1:41 am
    Planned Parenthood
    @PPFA
    Idk who needs to hear this but virginity is a made-up social construct, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your hymen.
    5:10 AM · Nov 7, 2019

    For what reason are they posting this? It’s seems incredibly dark motivations.

  207. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thanks yet again, Tom.

  208. Stimpson J. Cat
    #3205330, posted on November 8, 2019 at 1:41 am
    Planned Parenthood
    @PPFA
    Idk who needs to hear this but virginity is a made-up social construct, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your hymen.
    5:10 AM · Nov 7, 2019

    Well trolled.

  209. John Constantine

    Many countries have already banned trans fats, but food producers in Africa and South Asia still use these dangerous products.

    Heart disease kills more people around the world than anything else.

    More than 17 million people die every year of cardiovascular diseases, including heart attacks and strokes. It can be difficult to change some of the behaviors that lead to those deaths — but that doesn’t stop researchers from trying to get people to exercise and eat more vegetables.

    Eliminating a big chunk of those deaths can be accomplished in an easier way: by banning trans fats (or trans fatty acids).

    The use of trans fats leads to about 500,000 cardiovascular disease deaths each year, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). These products are added to fried foods, baked goods, and snack products, and cause levels of bad cholesterol in blood to spike.

    Now the WHO and governments around the world are cracking down. On Monday, the WHO announced a plan calling for governments to ban industrially-produced trans fats within five years.

    “Trans fat is an unnecessary toxic chemical that kills, and there’s no reason people around the world should continue to be exposed,”

    If it has been extruded by a machine in an industrial process,then chemically dosed to make it addictive, is it really food, or industrial waste posing as food?.

  210. How do you get sustainable physics?

    How can you study Young’s modulus or wire conductivity in a sustainable manner? What about sustainable RLC circuits? Sustainable NPN transistors?

    Bloody idiocy.

    “Sustainable sine curves”

    Well, we’re going to ban non-divergent limits

    The thinking mind boggles and wants to die.

  211. Trans fat banning is nonsense.

    The trans fats are consumed with copious amounts of highly refined starch and sugar, as well as a high caloric load, typically of people who are not physically active (they were traditionally used in shortcrust pastries).

    You could be an elite runner or kayaker, eat trans every day and watch what else you eat and have no ill effect.

    No mechanism is suggested. There is no reaction pathway from trans fats that favours LDL cholesterol. It is just association.

    The advice from the lobby groups is nonsense. How exactly are short chain fatty acids worse than long chain ones as well? The idea that butter (per butyric acid) is bad for you is funny, byturic acid inhibits colon cancer.

    I really think this trans nonsense is good black hat marketing from EU sunflower growers, shitting on the canola (and cotton), olive and dairy industries to better themselves.

  212. John Constantine

    https://singularityhub.com/2019/08/13/wait-what-the-first-human-monkey-hybrid-embryo-was-just-created-in-china/?utm_content=buffer4cca0&utm_medium=organicsocial&utm_source=twitter-hub&utm_campaign=buffer

    Earlier in April, a team from southern China came under international fire for sticking extra copies of human “intelligence-related” genes into macaque monkeys. And despite efforts to revamp its reputation in biomedical research ethics, China does have slacker rules in primate research compared to Western countries.

    If you’re feeling icked out, you’re not alone. The morality and ethics of growing human-animal hybrids are far from clear. But creepiness aside, scientists do have two reasons for wading into these uncomfortable waters.

    One is xenotransplantation. Izpisúa Belmonte, for example, hopes to grow fully-functional human organs inside animals, which could in theory make transplantable organ shortage a thing of the past. The other goal is to understand the genes that shape our brain in evolution and development—ones that bestow us with our extraordinary intelligence, and ones that screw up neural wiring in neuropsychiatric disorders when they go wrong.

    Organ transplantation from lab-bred chimeras, or organ transplants from dissenters. When wealthy westerners and third world dictators go to the chicoms for organ transplants, which organ source is the most ethical?.

  213. John Constantine

    Mug of coffee before shearing. Admitted relapse on the caffeine front.

    Done deal with self to allow the coffee, if white bread [ my unshakeable addiction] can be skipped for a while.

  214. Beertruk

    Tim Blair’s analysis of Labor’s election review at today’s Tele:

    The long & Shorten of defeat
    LABOR’S REVIEW OF ITS 2019 ELECTION FAILURE DESERVES A REVIEW ITSELF. TIM BLAIR CUTS THROUGH THE SPIN
    “Unsurprisingly, the Labor campaign lacked focus, wandering from topic to topic without a clear purpose.”
    That’s not a campaign analysis. That’s a typical episode of Q&A.
    “Despite some early slips, Labor leader Bill Shorten performed solidly during the campaign, including bettering his rival in three debates.”
    By Labor’s calculations, none of its candidates have ever lost a prime ministerial debate. It’s just elections they have problems with.
    “The almost-daily announcements of new spending policies left little room for campaigning against the Coalition.”
    The bigger issue might be that they also left little cash in the budget.
    “Economically insecure, low income voters in outerurban and regional Australia swung against Labor.”
    More accurately, Labor swung against economically insecure, low income voters in outerurban and regional Australia.
    “Labor’s climate change policy won the party votes among young and affluent older voters in urban areas.”
    See above. When you win the Greta Thunberg vote, you lose the normals.
    “Labor’s ambiguous language on Adani, combined with some anticoal rhetoric and the Coalition’s campaign associating Labor with the Greens in voters’ minds, devastated its support in the coal mining communities of regional Queensland and the Hunter Valley.”
    “Ambiguous language” is the review’s polite way of describing Labor’s pro-coal talk in mining country and its condemnation of coal whenever Guardian readers were in the audience.
    “Labor should adopt the language of inclusion, abandoning divisive rhetoric, including references to the ‘big end of town’.”
    Remember when Anthony Albanese declared he “just wants to fight Tories”?
    “Labor should develop a coherent strategy for engaging more fully with culturally and linguistically diverse communities, including Chinese Australians.”
    Judging by recent ICAC hearings, this process has been underway for some time.
    “Labor’s next national campaign should be driven by a digital-first model that is fit for the digital age.”
    This review appears to have been written in 2003.
    “Labor must develop a comprehensive strategy for message defence and combating disinformation, which should include fulltime resources dedicated to monitoring and addressing false messages.”
    But Labor already has a full-time billion-dollar anti-Coalition propaganda wing. It’s called the ABC.
    Linky

  215. notafan

    17 million who would otherwise live forever?

    If a significant number of people are dying much younger than they ought perhaps

    I’m very doubtful about the claims

  216. Tintarella di Luna

    Professor Sinclair Davidson has just been mentioned honourably for calling the banning of plastic bags as virtue signalling. Well done Professor.

  217. I want Tapperware. It’s plastic and as a substitute for glass, either a lens or a mirror, the image gets twisted and distorted beyond recognition.

  218. John Constantine

    The concerning thing about highly processed grains oils isn’t just the direct links to short term obesity inducing industrially extruded foods, but the longer term indications that ‘ diabetes of the brain’ dementias can be fed, [ even in non-obese people] by the high volume consumption of what passes for manufactured food in this century.

    Was in the local chemist last week, and just seeing the physical condition of the people in the queue is a wake-up call that something has gone quite wrong.

  219. hzhousewife

    17 million who would otherwise live forever?

    Do the “forever” years come in a 20 year old body, or a 90 year old body?
    Asking for a friend.

  220. 132andBush

    “New water”

    Adelaide gets to drink taxpayer dollars.
    No mention of cutting back “environmental flows” and using that water to grow fodder.

    Drought Minister David Littleproud said it was a “unique deal” that would provide up to 6,000 farmers with access to 25 megalitres each, which must be used to grow feed for livestock.

    That Littleproud even quoted this shows he has zero idea.

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