Open Forum: November 2, 2019

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  1. Knuckle Dragger

    Didn’t we at one point have quite a good rep as far as fighter pilots go?

  2. Old School Conservative

    Coach Des Hasler visited Fainu in jail on Sunday

    (Telegraph)
    There’s so much to say about that short statement.
    Primarily, lots of credit to Des for making the visit.

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Coach Des Hasler visited Fainu in jail on Sunday’

    Why? Was Fainu an undeclared agent of foreign influence?

  4. Snoopy

    I want one of those traditional Aboriginal shell maps of Australia. Why did Matthew Flinders bother?

  5. Rockdoctor

    Geez TE who runs the moderation? Seems they only want commentary that fits a neat narrative that appeals to inner city types. A friend used to be a regular at Bolt & others pre-paywall but slowly by slowly started getting more comments rejected, shadow banned twice (apparently malinformed) and never got any useful correspondence from Herald Sun itself. He finally appealed to Bolt directly and was told his last ever comment could see him sued if published (He is still miffed as it was language Politicians use all the time & about Adani). Friend came to the conclusion it has become too hard to fight frivolous lawsuits so News.com is deliberately censoring themselves, they know righties generally don’t sue. I used to comment on News site but haven’t now for probably about a decade, no way these days…However if you are prepared to cop the constant knock backs the kudos to you…

  6. Rex Mango

    KD, we’ve always had the best in the world, up till perhaps now. Heard the other day a 40yo mother of two was being trained to fly fighters, but failed.

  7. egg_

    Dumbest part of the review into fighter pilot training in the RAAF was it being based on the premise that because other countries have female fighter pilots, but not Australia, something was wrong.

    We needed a crack Squadron, too?

  8. calli

    Did you really go to the Outer Hebrides, LL?

    Did you sunbathe at St Kilda?

    Cool.

  9. Farmer Gez

    I hear there’s a Moo’s Lamb feminist on Q&A tonight.
    The holy book is full of feminism. Direct quotes I hope.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    Just watching a doco about the Bwitish Woyal family (or the House of Whinger as they have become known since Miss Markle joined the firm).

  11. Steve trickler

    A bit of nausea late in the afternoon always perks you up.

    Hold on. It is good fun.



  12. Rex Mango

    ZK2A, have experience of public servants learning about aboriginal perspectives. Typical re-education training where they indoctrinate first and second generatn immigrant public servants about wonders of indigenous culture. This old woman prattling on about how everyone shared everything & was everyone’s aunty, or uncle. I ran interference all morning & at this stage thought should share with the group my story. Put hand up and said; ‘I’ve had my aunty and uncle staying with me for the past week.’ Paused for effect, with everyone giving me empathetic nods/looks etc. Then I finished with ‘They are driving me up the wall and I can’t wait for them to leave!’ Brought the house down & one indig elder not happy.

  13. egg_

    I hear there’s a Moo’s Lamb feminist on Q&A tonight.
    The holy book is full of feminism. Direct quotes I hope.

    There was a grab about individual white men not realising their privilege.
    Prepare for a night of Western white male bashing.

  14. egg_

    Western white male bashing.

    Aunty’s favourite pastime.

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    More weasel words:

    Tackle

    In this space

    Unpack

  16. Leigh Lowe

    Did you really go to the Outer Hebrides, LL?

    Not really.
    That was to disguise the true nature of my mission.
    Very important.
    Top level hush-hush stuff.
    MI-5, MI-6, RP-7, WD-40 and all that.

  17. egg_

    Unpack

    Code word for Lefoid dissembling.

  18. Leigh Lowe

    More weasel words:

    Tackle

    In this space

    Unpack

    Let’s park that one.
    (ie too fucking hard or embarrassing).

  19. calli

    Re-visit

    Code for…nag.

  20. Rex Mango

    At mention of Q&A, go to fridge and pour first drink of day. Imbibe is not a weasel word.

  21. Geriatric Mayfly

    The two weaseliest weasel words in the English language:
    Inappropriate
    Problematic

    Make it three. ‘Unacceptable.’

  22. Arky

    More weasel words:

    Tackle

    In this space

    Unpack

    ..
    Allow me to unpack my weasel tackle in this space.
    ..
    Dunno what you are on about. Perfectly OK words.

  23. Rex Mango

    Tackle is not weasely when used re football, but it is in any other context.

  24. Arky

    Make it three. ‘Unacceptable.’

    Leigh Lowe
    #3201529, posted on November 4, 2019 at 8:16 pm
    Reach out.

    ..
    Allow me to reach out and unpack my weasel tackle in this space.

  25. BoN:

    Shipwrecks off Indo have an odd habit of disappearing mysteriously.
    All that copper, so sad.

    Apparently the steel is worth a lot as it’s not contaminated by a particular element that occurs since nukes were used. Something to do with suitability for MRI machines.

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    Cromulence is afoot.

  27. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pelosi said we reached out to the President but he said fuck off.

  28. zyconoclast

    Sweet Jesus.
    I’d prefer to take a cheese grater to my ball bag than watch Q&A tonight.,

    You can do both.
    At the same time.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘That was to disguise the true nature of my mission.’

    Noumea cruise, LL.

    We know.

  30. Snoopy

    The once perfectly useful word ‘conversation’ now means a totalitarian rant.

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Reach around.
    Quid pro quo.

  32. Roger

    Anna Palaszczuk & the QLD ALP Cabinet have just extended native hardwood timber extraction permits in the Wide Bay-Burnett region to 2026, going against Green expectations but saving 500 jobs.

    Meanwhile, according to Fairfax journalist Michael Koziol’s sources, the Liberal Party is still “interpreting” the May 2019 election results.

    Despite that, SloMo just gifted the renewables sector with $1bn of tax payers’ money to address looming – but entirely predictable – reliability issues.

    Perhaps he should have waited until the sages in the party had concluded their interpreting.

  33. Geriatric Mayfly

    6C. here. Twinsets and cardigans could be the go tomorrow, set off by PVC accoutrements. Phooowaaar!

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    Lash out.

    Lashing out. (v)

    “Yeronner, my client admits to dragging that nun off a bus, bashing her with a tyre iron and biting her face off, but I am instructed he was just lashing out.’

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shipwrecks off Indo have an odd habit of disappearing mysteriously.
    All that copper, so sad.

    Apparently the steel is worth a lot as it’s not contaminated by a particular element that occurs since nukes were used. Something to do with suitability for MRI machines.

    I do recall reports of the wrecks of HMAS Perth, USS Houston, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Repulse and the the Netherlands Navy cruisers, Java and De Ruyter diminishing mysteriously.

  36. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    china needs regime change. the idea of free trade with cheating communists who are out to overpower you is lunacy

    the chinese need to grow some balls and overthrow the dictator

  37. Top Ender

    Yeah, Rockdoctor, annoying, and occasionally provokes me to think of unsubscribing.

    The two before that which were rejected I appealed to the head moderator over, and they were reinstated.

    Probably the moderators in general are young SJW types who get dragooned into doing it as part of their general journalistic duties. Probably pissed off with it too.

  38. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    china needs regime change. the idea of free trade with cheating communists who are out to overpower you is lunacy. china is an existential threat to the civilised world. it is a bastion of neo-fascism

    the chinese need to grow some b*lls and overthrow the dictator and his small band of communists

    or we should just nuke them

  39. Tom

    MI-5, MI-6, RP-7, WD-40 and all that.

    Such a slippery sleuth.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dad who screamed ‘I’m going to crack your head like an Easter egg’ while ‘beating to death ice-addict who broke into his baby daughter’s bedroom’ faces 20 years jail

    Apprentice chef has pleaded not guilty to murder of home intruder Ricky Slater
    Court hears Benjamin Batterham had a right to chase burglar found in bedroom
    Batterham chased Slater, put him in a choke hold, punched him, court hears
    Slater had first of three heart attacks when paramedics arrived, later died
    Cause of death critical to Newcastle Supreme Court jury trial, prosecution says

    Daily Mail. There’s something wrong here.

  41. feelthebern

    Just watching a doco about the Bwitish Woyal family

    Were they goose stepping?

  42. feelthebern

    Catherine McGregor is on Chris Kenny’s show tonight.
    A handsome woman.

  43. Thefrollickingmole

    At the pub with my copper mate last night and had to take a slash. Traditional franger machine there which some wag had seen fit to modify with a texta.
    “Savage bliss” was modified into a piss myself laughing “savage blisters”.

    These are important things in a great swill house….

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    Someone this morning (apologies, forgotten who) mentioned Doug Morrissey’s Quadrant article about the new Ned Kelly film, featuring cross-dressing, genderqueer armour, transgenerational indigenous trauma and something called ‘homoerotic frisson’.

    It also features this probably unintended gem:

    ‘They showed no respect for traditional values, moral propriety or decent behaviour. They were the shanty ne’er-do-wells of the Greta district and everybody knew it.’

  45. Infidel Tiger

    GLADYS LIU
    Gladys Liu personally poured at least $100,000 into her campaign to win the marginal Melbourne seat of Chisholm.

    Not dodgy at all.

    Jail her. Deport her.

  46. Leigh Lowe

    “Yeronner, my client admits to dragging that nun off a bus, bashing her with a tyre iron and biting her face off, but I am instructed he was just lashing out.’

    You forgot “caught up in”.

    My client was then caught up in an altercation between several yoofs and a member of the discredited Catholic Church …

  47. Thefrollickingmole

    Leigh.

    Don’t forget cardinal pell touched him in the vestry as well

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Catherine McGregor is on Chris Kenny’s show tonight.
    A handsome woman.

    You know how they say “do not adjust your set”?
    Well, they’re not talking to you.
    You really need to adjust you set.

  49. feelthebern

    Gladys Liu is a resourceful new Australian.
    A role model for all migrants.

  50. feelthebern

    Did the ABC mention the Berlin Wall today?
    Did they say the wall was put up to stop people from the West looking for a glorious workers paradise in the East?

  51. Leigh Lowe

    Noumea cruise, LL.

    We know.

    I tried to spare people the bat-shit boring travelogue.
    BTW, does anyone know the best way to convert Aussie dollars to New Hebridean Shekels and ship it to a sheila with a heart of gold and a bosom of silicone?

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    Gladys Liu’s ironing skills are undetermined at present.

    Her role model to other immigrants status depends on a public display of proficiency in this discipline.

  53. Arky

    “Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall, you racist”.

  54. Steve trickler

    The people that surround and “guide” this girl need a punch to the……..



    Do not discount this girl waking up.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    These are important things in a great swill house….

    Got reminded, over the lunch table, of a boozer in Queensland, way back when. A few of us were getting quietly wrecked in silent protest against the futility of it all. The bar maid was rather a lovely lass, with a fairly ample cleavage, artfully displayed. Some drunk civvie lurched up to the bar, and loudly demanded
    “Ay, you with all the tits, where’s the mens shythouse?”

    “Sir” she answered, loudly “Through the door in the corner and down the passage, on your left. The sign over the door says “Gentlemen” but don’t bother about that, you just go straight through.”

  56. Leigh Lowe

    I really wish Trump and Gorbachev had crossed paths.
    Only a matter of time before Trump would nick-name him “Rorschach” or “President Ink-Blot”.
    Missed opportunity.

  57. feelthebern

    Remember Frank Drebin when he met Gorby?

  58. Muddy

    egg_
    #3201513, posted on November 4, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    Dumbest part of the review into fighter pilot training in the RAAF was it being based on the premise that because other countries have female fighter pilots, but not Australia, something was wrong.

    We needed a crack Squadron, too?

    Please take the topic seriously, egg. It’s vital that every pilot master the split formation.

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please take the topic seriously, egg. It’s vital that every pilot master the split formation.

    Do fighter aircraft still have “cockpits?”

  60. calli

    I tried to spare people the bat-shit boring travelogue.

    Bother. I’m booked to learn the tango in Buenos Aires. I was going to post a stumble by stumble report.

  61. John Constantine

    https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/life/2019-09-09-marika-sboros-modifying-risk-factors-and-adopting-healthier-habits-may-ward-off-dementia/

    Harvard-trained psychiatrist and nutrition specialist Dr Georgia Ede says that multiple lines of high-quality, scientific evidence now indicate that insulin resistance is “a primary driver behind most cases of Alzheimer’s disease”.

    The evidence has grown “so compelling”, that many researchers now refer to Alzheimer’s disease as “type three diabetes”, Ede says.

    Got a much loved porkasaurus lefty wymynsys relative that rejects any suggestion that people might prefer eating another chop for dinner and less chips and lollies afterwards by chanting the mantra:

    “Eating less meat is the right thing to do”

    [ also piles the bowl staggeringly high with sugar bomb death dessert and hovers over it, with the order that -“you aren’t getting out of here until you have eaten every mouthful”]

  62. Muddy

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3201571, posted on November 4, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    Please take the topic seriously, egg. It’s vital that every pilot master the split formation.

    Do fighter aircraft still have “cockpits?”

    I don’t know, but apparently the G-spot just knocks the wind out of you.

  63. Rex Mango

    Ruby Hamad, Arabic author of White Tears Brown Scars was just on ABC RN giving a talk at Brisbane bookstore. She preaches the good news re intersectionality and racism competing with sexism in race to bottom for victimhood status. Great society wrecking stuff which the ABC happily promotes. One quote ‘white women civilise, while white men brutalise’. ABC host never picked her up for any ludicrous statement. She’s obsessed with the USA’s role re slavery. Her whole argument falls apart when one considers that slavery pre and post dates the African slave trade.

  64. Arky

    “Eating less meat is the right thing to do”

    ..
    Not if you are trapped inside a caved in tunnel made out of bacon.

  65. calli

    Trump vs Yeltsin would have been a cracker too.

    How about Trump vs the appalling Ceaușescus? He could have honey trapped them with the tapware and toiletries.

  66. John Constantine

    The bad news is that insulin resistance (IR) has reached “epidemic proportions in many countries about the world”. (Data suggest SA firmly among those countries.) That means many people already have some degree of insulin resistance, she says.

    The good news is that IR is “a largely preventable, treatable condition rooted squarely in our modern lifestyle”, Ede says.

    She defines IR as “a metabolic disorder characterised by gradually rising blood insulin levels and worsening carbohydrate tolerance”. Diets too high in refined carbohydrates, such as sugars, flours, juices, and processed cereals, worsen insulin resistance.

    These ingredients generate “unnaturally steep blood-sugar spikes and insulin levels that damage metabolism over time”. They do so in the body, which can lead to type two diabetes and many other chronic diseases, but also in the brain.

    This “lays the groundwork for Alzheimer’s disease”.

    Central control of the means of food production means the Golden Ton can superprofit by supplying addictive industrial waste posing as human food to the prole debt herd as rations.

    What could possibly go wrong?.

    I forget who i am supposed to have always loved.

    Comrades.

  67. calli

    The stairway to heaven has bacon treads.

  68. calli

    The highway to hell is paved with firm tofu.

  69. Muddy

    Arky
    #3201576, posted on November 4, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    “Eating less meat is the right thing to do”

    ..
    Not if you are trapped inside a caved in tunnel made out of bacon.

    What a ridiculous punchloin, Arky.

  70. Top Ender

    Hey Zulu, I see the Newcastle home defender was enraged the burglar broke into his baby daughter’s bedroom – but the daughter and mum were not home at the time.

    I fear it might go badly for him.

  71. Muddy

    John Constantine
    #3201579, posted on November 4, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    I forget who i am supposed to have always loved.

    Someone really needs to collate a collection of Catallaxy one-liners. It would be a cracker.

  72. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Got a much loved porkasaurus lefty wymynsys relative’

    Much loved by someone else, yes. Three of them. Cousins on my mother’s side.

    Their collective interior and exterior unattractiveness has, naturally, led them to activism.

  73. Stimpson J. Cat

    Set against the Badlands of colonial Australia where the English rule with a bloody fist and the Irish endure, Ned Kelly (George Mackay) discovers he comes from a line of Irish rebels called the Sons of Sieve, an uncompromising army of cross-dressing bandits immortalised for terrorising their oppressors back in Ireland.

    Blatant F$cking Lies Against My Noble Paddy’s!
    The only cross-dressing bandits were, and still are, from Scotland.
    And the filthy perverts haven’t learned a thing.
    They still do it to this day.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    They live in Ballarat.

    I live in Darwin. Far too close.

  75. egg_

    Please take the topic seriously, egg.

    Are we getting obese Lesbian fighter pilots, as well as Airline pilots?

  76. Bidding for Interruption :Lotto is open

  77. Probably the moderators in general are young SJW types who get dragooned into doing it as part of their general journalistic duties.

    I’ll see you & raise you by the the hit & miss experience (have plenty of spare hotmail/gmail addresses) of posting job ads on online job sites.

    The legal requirements for job ads don’t get a look-in.
    Your ad must be today’s arbitrary SJW standard + not trigger any airhead who happens to read it.
    Be prepared to have your account blocked & blacklisted. Often.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Blatant F$cking Lies Against My Noble Paddy’s!

    All the Irish ever gave Australia was Ned Kelly, the Labor Party and Numbers Ho. They can’t even make drinkable whisky.

  79. Rex Mango

    One fatal, little known flaw in the Intersectionality Theory of Everything, is that lezbeneathen’s are higher average income earners than white metro males.

  80. cohenite

    Apprentice chef has pleaded not guilty to murder of home intruder Ricky Slater
    Court hears Benjamin Batterham had a right to chase burglar found in bedroom
    Batterham chased Slater, put him in a choke hold, punched him, court hears
    Slater had first of three heart attacks when paramedics arrived, later died
    Cause of death critical to Newcastle Supreme Court jury trial, prosecution says

    Daily Mail. There’s something wrong here.

    This is a real shame because Batterham chased the deceased from his property for about 400 meters where he could not, I presume, be said to be defending life and therefore able to claim the protection of S. 418-420 of the NSW Crimes Act 1900.

  81. egg_

    lezbeneathen’s are higher average income earners than white metro males.

    As Alpha females, they get the top jerbs.

  82. feelthebern

    Surprise surprise, Janine Perrett is off the Cup this year.
    If she was anti the Cup ten years ago, I’d pay that.
    But jumping on the anti Cup band wagon now?
    FFS.
    What a mental pygmy.

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    One would hope the attending detectives worked long and hard with Mr Batterham on his statement.

    Long and hard.

    It must be said though, his surname is doing him no favours.

  84. Muddy

    As Alpha females, they get the top jerbs.

    So they hold the positions on top?

  85. feelthebern

    Carpe get over your illness?
    Back to eating raw fish of naked women again?

  86. Muddy

    Ummm, I self-nominate for the lamest comment of the day award.

  87. MatrixTransform

    Apprentice chef … Benjamin Batterham

    The steaks were high.

    I suppose the polis grilled him for hours?

  88. Infidel Tiger

    Janine Perrott looks like she failed to qualify for the Cup.

  89. feelthebern

    Here’s a trifecta for you.
    Janine Perrott, Camilla Parker-Bowles, Sarah Jessica Parker.
    (don’t care about the spelling).

  90. John Constantine

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/liver-cancer-deaths-die-tumours-nhs-research-a9179266.html

    Superprofit from supplying the proles with industrial waste posing as drinks suitable for human consumption, then when the proles start dying without breeding replacements, the Golden Ton can import unlimited herds to consume their frankenjuices.

    Deaths from liver cancer have tripled during the past 20 years, with more than a quarter of cases concentrated in the poorest communities, according to new research.

    The stark findings from the National Cancer Research Institute have been described as a “wake-up call” for the NHS and policymakers.

    They came as Cancer Research UK also warned that the number of liver tumours are set to rise 38 per cent by 2035.

    Between 1997 and 2016 there were more than 62,000 primary liver cancers diagnosed in England with deaths from the most common form of the disease rising substantially

  91. Fat Tony

    Confucius says “Girl who flies aeroplane upside down has crack up”

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Here’s a trifecta for you.
    Janine Perrott, Camilla Parker-Bowles, Sarah Jessica Parker.
    (don’t care about the spelling).

    Going to need a green screen, a vet and a truck to deal with that lot.

  93. Rex Mango

    Five women on the Q&A panel tonight and only moustache.

  94. Muddy

    Rex Mango
    #3201638, posted on November 4, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    Five women on the Q&A panel tonight and only moustache.

    Sooo, five beards and one ‘stache.
    (Hi None!)

  95. egg_

    As Alpha females, they get the top jerbs.

    So they hold the positions on top?

    They lick everyone else.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Don’t know the channel, but I’ve just seen the ultimate in “big boy’s toys” on the tele. World’s largest private TANK collection…

  97. zyconoclast

    Sooo, five beards and one ‘stache.

    Merkin?

  98. Cohenite:

    This is a real shame because Batterham chased the deceased from his property for about 400 meters where he could not, I presume, be said to be defending life and therefore able to claim the protection of S. 418-420 of the NSW Crimes Act 1900.

    Can he say his actions were lawful because he was chasing the guilty bastard to make a citizens arrest, and when he made the arrest, the GB assaulted him?

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    Non-gherkin merkin.

  100. John Constantine

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-31/leading-maggot-farmer-to-expand-from-cape-town-to-california

    “The world is long on waste and short on protein,” Jason Drew, AgriProtein’s chief executive officer, said in an interview.

    The California operation will be modeled on the facility in Cape Town, which rears black soldier flies on about 250 metric tons of organic waste daily. The flies’ larvae are then harvested to produce 4,000 metric tons of protein meal a year. At any one time, including eggs, there are 8.4 billion flies in the factory.

    The plant also produces 3,500 tons of fatty acid oil and 16,500 tons of frass, or maggot droppings, which is used as fertilizer. Each facility costs about $42 million to build and can generate $13 to $15 million in annual revenue.

  101. Can he say his actions were lawful because he was chasing the guilty bastard to make a citizens arrest, and when he made the arrest, the GB assaulted him?

    He could if I was on the jury.
    The other Eleven would eventually fall into line, no matter how many months I had to keep ’em there “deliberating”

  102. feelthebern

    Janine Perrott must be off her medication.
    She is really talking absolute drivel tonight.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    Have never heard her make sense once.

    She and that fat hairy bloke are unwatchable.

  104. Tel

    Apprentice chef has pleaded not guilty to murder of home intruder Ricky Slater Court hears Benjamin Batterham had a right to chase burglar found in bedroom Batterham chased Slater, put him in a choke hold, punched him, court hears Slater had first of three heart attacks when paramedics arrived, later died Cause of death critical to Newcastle Supreme Court jury trial, prosecution says

    If it was a bunch of five cops who killed the ice addict by giving him a good tazering and then all jumping on top of him, there wouldn’t even be a trial … bit of paperwork and a press release on the website saying “There was NOTHING we could do. We was FORCED I say.”

    On the other hand, one guy at home, scared shitless that he’s gonna watch his whole family get butchered, got no gun, got no nothing but his bare hands, and hey … we gotta make an example of him. This is unacceptable!

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘This is unacceptable!’

    And inappropriate.

    Mr Batterham was clearly lashing out.

  106. feelthebern

    Can he say his actions were lawful because he was chasing the guilty bastard to make a citizens arrest, and when he made the arrest, the GB assaulted him?

    Did the deceased think he could run off the property & then be “safe”?
    Looks like he didn’t live in reality.

  107. feelthebern

    Unless Latham is on, I don’t watch PM Live.
    Started tonight & it’s outstanding.
    Rowan Dean doing well.
    Perrott gibbering.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    Actually, that WAS inappropriate.

    Slater was said to be a fat useless bastard anyway, and poly drug use combined with his Orcaness and the stress of being chased, caught and flogged apparently sparked a massive heartie.

    If it were me, I would be raising the ‘stiff shit’ defence.

  109. If it were me, I would be raising the ‘stiff shit’ defence.

    There’s an easy way for anyone to avoid chucking a hearty whilst bolting from the scene of a burglary they just committed.

  110. feelthebern

    If it were me, I would be raising the ‘stiff shit’ defence.

    That’s a good defence.

  111. feelthebern

    You can understand what happened.
    He catches a stranger in his kids room.
    He blows up.
    Who wouldn’t?

  112. You can understand what happened.
    He catches a stranger in his kids room.
    He blows up.
    Who wouldn’t?

    You wish it had happened in Texas.

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Slater was said to be a fat useless bastard anyway, and poly drug use combined with his Orcaness and the stress of being chased, caught and flogged apparently sparked a massive heartie.

    The 178-centimetre tall, obese Slater – who weighed 118 kilograms – was high on ice and had scarring to his heart because of his regular drug use. He also suffered liver disease.

    Daily Mail

  114. Tel

    You wish it had happened in Texas.

    Makes you wonder why this kind of thing doesn’t happen in Texas.

  115. Makes you wonder why this kind of thing doesn’t happen in Texas.

    Yeah, Total Mystery.

  116. EvilElvis

    Turns out it was just the air pressure thing, not the end of the world.

    Dodged a bullet, LL.

  117. MatrixTransform

    Tel … yr missing the big picture.

  118. cohenite

    Can he say his actions were lawful because he was chasing the guilty bastard to make a citizens arrest, and when he made the arrest, the GB assaulted him?

    The test is this:

    1. If it was reasonably possible that you believed it was necessary to do what you did to protect yourself in self-defence; and
    2. If it was reasonably possible that what you did was a reasonable response to the circumstances perceived by you at the time.

    It’s important to understand that, the test isn’t whether your response was reasonable to the circumstances that would be perceived by the hypothetical reasonable person. Instead, it’s the circumstances you perceived at the time.

    To someone else, who was not in your shoes may well consider your actions as excessive- this isn’t relevant in the test for self-defence to succeed. However, your response or conduct may well have been considered a proportionate response based on certain circumstances you perceived at the time.

    So, the argument is, and remember under S.418 the onus of proof is on the wallopers, Batterham chased the ice addict to make a citizen’s arrest and when he apprehended him the addict resisted to the point where Batterham was in fear of his life. It’s complicated because at this stage neighbours, including an off duty cop, were on the scene and told Batterham to stop choking the addict, according to the fairfucks report. If so he’s got his job ahead of him but I can’t see a premeditated murder charge applying, which apparently is what he has been charged with.

  119. MatrixTransform

    clearly lashing out

    and then we all had pudding … with lashings and lashings of cream

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The 178-centimetre tall, obese Slater – who weighed 118 kilograms – was high on ice and had scarring to his heart because of his regular drug use. He also suffered liver disease.’

    There ya go.

    There was some talk about a rumour going back quite some years relating to a tale about inner city Melbourne cops being told not to chase punters who’d just shot up a tasty bit of heroin.

    If they run after a hit, the story went, their system overloads and they may get heart attacks.

    And apparently all the cops dutifully nodded, and no one ever waited for scrotes outside Cashies in Smith Street in Collingwood or the Gertrude Street walk-ups or the Gore St carpark up the top end or the Hoddle Street highrises or the empty block behind the Purple Turtle and then chased them down tiny bluestone alleys until they fell over then jogged back to the main drag where nothing happened and there weren’t CCTV cameras then anyway.

    Bastard drug, heroin.

  121. MatrixTransform

    don’t blame the apprentice chef,
    I bet there’s a mastermind chef, a Ramsey or Blumenthal behind this.
    so far its all too neat and no plot twists

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    Has to be a Blumenthal.

    He’s got a Bond villain name. There’s a plan for world domination behind this.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    I would seriously be making the argument that:

    1. I didn’t know he was on ice;
    2. I didn’t know his heart was already scarred, or he had liver disease;
    3. I also didn’t know the combination of drugs and heavy breathing and stress causes hearties, because I’m also not a fucking doctor;
    4. I’ve never been in a fight in my life;
    5. He was a great big fat bastard;
    6. I didn’t know if he was armed, and by the time we tangled it was too late to disengage;
    7. I thought he was struggling not to run away (big fat bastard) but to get free, grab something and hurt me.

    Bit of tidy up by a decent silk, and that’s a fighting chance..

  124. 8th Dan

    Story at the time was that Slater was/had recently been a resident in the house and there had been a falling out, Batterham’s mate was also there at the time, and Slater was not the only ice user present. Running after Slater, taking him down 400 metres away, then refusing to stop bashing and strangling him are facts that don’t lend themselves to a plea of “home defence”. Batterham is going to gaol.

  125. MatrixTransform

    Batterham is going to gaol

    Batterham is a fiction you retard … its the Daily Mail

    Stupidity should also be punished with jail time

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    Aside from the improbability of a heart and liver scarred, iced up 188kg midget running any significant distance, let alone 400 metres, the bloke’s got plenty of defences, 8th DOLB.

    Mainly around apprehending an offender for the purpose of bringing them before the constabulary.

    If Slater had been to the house before it actually bolsters any defence that he was acting to prevent Slater returning to fulfil his nefarious purpose.

  127. 1. I didn’t know he was on ice;
    2. I didn’t know his heart was already scarred, or he had liver disease;
    3. I also didn’t know the combination of drugs and heavy breathing and stress causes hearties, because I’m also not a fucking doctor;
    4. I’ve never been in a fight in my life;
    5. He was a great big fat bastard;
    6. I didn’t know if he was armed, and by the time we tangled it was too late to disengage;
    7. I thought he was struggling not to run away (big fat bastard) but to get free, grab something and hurt me.

    Was he also saying he was going to get a weapon stashed nearby (possibly a firearm) & come back to “get” me. I was in fear of my life.

  128. MatrixTransform

    I thought he was struggling not to run away

    I attempted a citizen’s arrest but the fat xunt died before I could execute it ?

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Batterham is going to gaol.

    Grogarly, Q.C. has spoken.

  130. 8th Dan

    Batterham is a fiction you retard

    Try to contain your emotions, old fella. Wait till the prosecution starts talking about the accused’s antecedents. The trial could be quite interesting.

  131. mh

    Wow. Someone at home has put Q and A on.

    Patriarchy. Whiteness. Did I mention patriarchy?

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    I wouldn’t think he’d need to go that far, Sal.

    Just that he didn’t act disproportionately to his aim, which was of course to subdue him – at first alone, then hopefully others would come and help, and then keep him there till the rozzers get out of the donut shop.

    Sure I tried to choke him Yeronner. Never done it myself before, but seen it plenty of times watching MMA on the teev and no-one died. Plus, big fat angry bastard.

    Then, boom. He just went limp, Yeronner. Never been so scared in my life.

  133. Rex Mango

    mh, turn the tele off now and walk away. Once seen, it can’t be unseen. In fear of flashbacks later tonight, am drinking myself into a stupor as a result of watching that show.

  134. MatrixTransform

    The trial could be quite interesting

    yeh, check the Daily Mail for updates and report back here.

    Case Law depends on yr diligence

  135. Rex Mango

    ABC Late News running a story about dozens of horse carcasses being found in Darwin catchment area on Melbourne Cup Eve. They know nothing about where these animals came from. Another cheap shot and beat up to attack common folk having fun tomorrow.

  136. 8th Dan

    I recorded Ken Burns’ The Vietnam War on SBS a few nights ago. Very concise, only an hour and a half. Might watch it later tonight.

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Wait till the prosecution starts talking about the accused’s antecedents.’

    You really are a pro bono advocate, aren’t you?

    Explain just what of Batterham’s history (that is criminal history, PLUS antecedents) the prosecution can refer to. In front of a jury.

    Here’s a hint. None, you flog.

    In fact, the defence has an excellent argument that his client can’t get a fair trial because of the National Enquirer story you just mentioned.

  138. mh

    The sistas keep saying fvck.

  139. Rex Mango

    Authorities were alerted about the illegal dumping at Howard Springs 7 months ago, yet run the story tonight.

  140. I recorded Ken Burns’ The Vietnam War on SBS a few nights ago. Very concise, only an hour and a half. Might watch it later tonight.

    8th Dan… I have news for you.
    That hour & a half will be just one episode. there’s another Nine episodes (hour & a half each) waiting for you.

  141. Rex Mango

    mh, have you got some holy water and a crucifix in your house? If so now is the time to use them on your television.

  142. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, Oliver Stone made a great docco about that war called Platoon. Sgt Barnes was fragged near end of film and he’d kept them together right though things. Very sad.

  143. Arky

    If those dirty French bastards hadn’t of killed Jim, he might have gone on to produce some actually good music:


  144. Bruce in WA

    You wish it had happened in Texas.

    You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
    ___________________________________________________________________

    Lefty’s answer:

    Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question!

    + Does the man look poor or oppressed?
    + Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
    + Could we run away?
    + What does my wife think? What about the kids?
    + Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
    + What does the law say about this situation?
    + Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
    + Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me?
    + Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me?
    + If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?

    This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Conservative’s Answer:

    BANG!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Texan’s Answer:

    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click (sounds of reloading).

    Wife: “Sweetheart, he looks like he’s still moving. What do you kids think?”
    Son: “Mom’s right Dad, I saw it too…”

    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.

    Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?”

  145. mh

    Someone’s already turned it off Rex without my prompting.

    Something similar could be a successful comedy/quiz show, possibly late night entertainment. Are You Still Woke?

  146. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex,

    Our national broadcaster:

    “NT EPA officers attended the site and observed dumped wastes, including chemical and spilled oil drums, car bodies, domestic white goods, remnants of burnt tyres and an estimated 30 horse and cattle carcasses and animal bones,” a spokesman said.’

    The article went on to water it down further by saying there were several sites around the joint rather than one. Then they thought they had a gotcha:

    ‘Some of the hooves at the borefields near Darwin still have aluminium horseshoes attached to them, including models such as the Kerckhaert Extra Sound Kings Plate, which is advertised as a shoe for horse racing.’

    Disaster was soon to befall dead horse (and cattle) pron lovers, though:

    ‘But the former president of the Professional Farriers Association of NSW, Bob Sim, said that does not mean the carcasses belong to racehorses.

    “[Those shoes] are generally used for racehorses but can be used for any type of horse, like whether it be a pleasure horse or [a] pony looking for lightness of the shoe,” said Mr Sim, who has more than 30 years’ experience in the industry.’

    ‘His view was shared by several other farriers and horse experts contacted by the ABC, who said the shoes could also be used by show jumping and dressage horses, or those in need of light, therapeutic shoes with cushioned pads.’

    Ruined their own story, but banged on about horses afterward regardless. Mind you, if you want to dump dead livestock, Howard Springs is the place to do it.

  147. Arky

    who said the shoes could also be used by show jumping and dressage horses, or those in need of light, therapeutic shoes with cushioned pads.’

    ..
    Or NZ PMs.

  148. Rex Mango

    The episode of Q&A tonight was utterly indefensible and bereft of any coherent thought whatsoever. Men advocating similar ideas on live television would be arrested for hate speech.

  149. MatrixTransform

    Men advocating similar ideas on live television would be arrested for hate speech.

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers scream right there

  150. mh

    The episode of Q&A tonight was utterly indefensible and bereft of any coherent thought whatsoever.

    It’s future is secured then.

  151. Arky

    Oh no.
    That video I posted has a terrible symbol of hate on the screenshot.
    Sorry everyone. Sorry.
    The fascists have claimed the Doors.
    Anyone listening to the Doors is a fascist.
    Burn all your Doors albums, dig Morrison up and burn his bones.

  152. Rex Mango

    Arky, used to mix a lot of Doors tracks down the pub in my dj days. Always liked the slow value songs that went for ages building up to the crescendo:

  153. Thefrollickingmole

    10 seconds of abc radio while moving a car.
    Ruby Hamid emoting about “ white womans tears” and how (apparently only white women) use tears to make a person criticising them into the bad guy.
    Her angle is racist white women do it rather than be lectured by sour brown racists, or something.

  154. Arky

    Morrison looked like Charles Manson at the end there.
    No wonder the dirty fascists have claimed his music.
    He was one swastika carved into the forehead away from being a mass murdering bastard celebrity prisoner.

  155. Arky

    Posted 2011?
    No excuse.
    You should have predicted Nazis would claim the OK symbol as their own.
    Or whatever.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    8th Dan, Oliver Stone made a great docco about that war called Platoon. Sgt Barnes was fragged near end of film and he’d kept them together right though things. Very sad.

    Any interviews with a conscripted Queensland schoolteacher?

  157. Rex Mango

    Mole, I endured the whole thing. Her philosophy is pure racism, dressed up as virtue. Nauseating that the ABC promotes this stuff.

  158. mh

    Willie Brown says Democrats screwed, and he’s not talking about Kamala this time.

    Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    If the goal was to damage President Trump by formalizing the impeachment inquiry, it’s Mission Unaccomplished for House Democrats.

    If anything, the vote solidified Trump’s hold on power. There were zero GOP defections, meaning we have zero drama heading into the public phase of impeachment. Everyone is pretty much in the same lanes they’ve been in since the Russian-collusion investigation, the obstruction of justice investigation and every other investigation.

    Unfortunately for the Democrats, that gives people little reason to be glued to their screens when House committees take public testimony. The basic story — Trump pressured Ukraine to announce investigations into Democrats that would help Trump — is out there already. People know how they feel about it, and if you believe the polls, they’re pretty evenly split on whether the president deserves to be thrown out of office.

    The only potential drama before last week’s vote was whether there might be any movement, whether any Republicans would see it Democrats’ way.

    Looks like they don’t.

    And when it gets to the Senate, it will play out just the same way. Someone like Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah may break GOP ranks, but no one thinks 20 Republicans, the bare minimum who would have to defect to convict Trump, would actually do so.

    So the Democrats will spend the next few precious months acting out a pretend cliffhanger to which everyone actually knows the script and the ending. No plot twists in sight. Remember health care, the issue that won so many elections for Democrats in 2018? You might, but they don’t seem to.

    Come next year, Trump will have an impeachment victory and quite possibly a solid economy. The Democrats will have — what?

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We just watched ‘The King’, Netflix’s latest offering. I know it has received some bad reviews for its tampering with Shakespeare’s vision, for some dialogue ‘out of time ‘and for what some see as a ‘flat’ plot, but nevertheless, I really liked it. The style and musical build up was dark and foreboding, the King was a young man taking power when he seemed initially only to be thrust into it, the familial themes and motifs were all there, the dastardly power plays were dramatic and it was all suitably medieval, in lank hair, shank and clank, as the French knights were brought down by their armor and the English longbows in the mud killing field of Agincourt. The Dauphin was suitably overdone in French nastiness and arrogance, and the King himself a tortured hero who could kill with the best of them, on and off the field of Mars.

    See for the battle scenes if nothing else. I’ve just finished reading Bernard Cornwell’s Arthurian trilogy. It has been commended as the one to read if you have any interest in the real conditions of the fifth and sixth centuries in Britain’s early post-Roman period. Cornwell takes the Arthurian names, intermingling the archaic Welsh and the Medieval French ones willy nilly, in exactly the same manner the Geoffrey of Monmouth did in his foundational Arthurian opus, and weaves a tale of Arthur the Warlord around the
    basic structure of the main legends. Arthur too is made to be like The King’s Henry V, a reluctant warrior desiring peace but drawn by character and leadership skills to making war to create peace via victory.

    Cornwell’s battle scenes, with his usual graphic descriptions of the rush of battle fury, parallel his later ‘Uhtred’ warrior scenes in ‘The Last Kingdom’ books and TV series loosely based on these books. And here we are centuries later in the early fifteenth century, and men still rage in battle. You won’t forget those French nobles floundering in the mud packed tight (history says the battle was fought over mainly French armored bodies three and four deep), with the far less enmailed English free to kill these human metal forms like upturned turtles, knives inserted on the softer less-protected parts.

    What with the Foxtel series ‘World on Fire’, where the brutal killings of warfare also feature, there’s been a lot of end-stage wartime blood and gore around on tele lately, and Dunkirk is coming up next. Stay tuned. Purists may scorn (sorry TE, I’ve read your critiques of this show as your good wife watches it) and yes, Hairy and I were left wondering how those two escapees got from Poland to France in what seemed like a

    day on the run but that too
    is worth a look.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am having problems with my comment box, the scrolling up and down function just runs out on me, and any attempt to write anything further or fix some type etc. means a paragraph entry occurs. Very irritating.

    Anyone else getting this? And what might be causing it?

  161. Rex Mango

    No mention of any Aussie conscripts in Platoon. Thing is, I left the cinema identifying with Sgt Barnes. He was a really good soldier. We turned up at the cinema not sure what to watch. Couldn’t get into our movie of choice, so settled for that docco. Left feeling I’d done ten rounds with Tyson. That true story changed my life.

  162. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    36m
    What I said on the phone call with the Ukrainian President is “perfectly” stated. There is no reason to call witnesses to analyze my words and meaning. This is just another Democrat Hoax that I have had to live with from the day I got elected (and before!). Disgraceful!

  163. Mitch M.

    If so he’s got his job ahead of him but I can’t see a premeditated murder charge applying, which apparently is what he has been charged with.

    Done intentionally so the case will fail. The cops have saved this bloke from jail. He was foolish to run down the street chasing the asshole but I admit I’d be inclined to do that while brandishing a baseball bat.

    put him in a choke hold, punched him, court hears Slater had first of three heart attacks when paramedics arrived, later died Cause of death critical to Newcastle Supreme Court jury trial, prosecution says

    His cause of death: amphetamines, obese, CVD. He died from lifestyle issues, not the attack.

    This country needs to completely to revamp right to self defense laws. Even in citizen’s arrest technically you can’t handle the person rough. Can’t even buy pepper spray in some states. What the hell happened to this country?

  164. Steve trickler

    Perfect before shut eye.



  165. 8th Dan

    Salvatore, thanks. I’ll record the whole series and watch them when I can.

    Rex, thanks also. I’ve got the Platoon DVD and have enjoyed watching it a few times. Some very good acting performances and good use of some classical music in the intro. I also have Apocalypse Now.

  166. EvilElvis

    NT EPA officers attended the site and observed dumped wastes, including chemical and spilled oil drums, car bodies, domestic white goods, remnants of burnt tyres and an estimated 30 horse and cattle carcasses and animal bones

    Were you required to be present as they rifled through your backyard, KD?

  167. max

    William Dalrymple on ABC radio this arvo,talking about his latest book about the rise of the East India Company.

    Compares it to the Medellin cartel.

    He thinks China will run the world very soon and seemed to enjoy the idea because he is just another idiot white man who seems to think the collapse of the West won’t affect him.

  168. Knuckle Dragger

    Front yard, Elvis. Front yard.

    Plausible deniability.

    Also, define ‘carcass’.

  169. EvilElvis

    I thought ‘dressage’ was a bit ambiguous as well, can go a few ways there.

  170. 8th Dan

    ps, Rex. Only one “c” in “doco”.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    Haaaaa.

    The daily Tele has dropped its appeal against the $2.9 million payout ordered to Geoffrey Rush for calling him a pervy old man in the paper.

    It would also appear that the Tele has hung its cub reporter/s out to dry as well, rather than indulging in some serious can-of-whup-ass opening amongst the senior editorial staff that thought it was a good idea to print the tale.

  172. Tel

    Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges.

    Cobblers … he stabs you in the back and you never saw it coming … then he takes your gun.

    The point about concealed carry is partly self defense, but mostly a general deterrent. If the bad guy doesn’t know who has the gun (because no one advertises, “Duh gun over here!”) and we presume most people are good most of the time (high trust society) then the bad guy figures it’s not worth doing anything risky.

    If the bad guy knows you have a gun, and it’s just you, no one else around, then you are in deep do do because there’s a million convenient improvised weapons and you can’t possibly from every direction, all the time night and day.

  173. 8th Dan
    #3201923, posted on November 5, 2019 at 12:02 am
    Salvatore, thanks. I’ll record the whole series and watch them when I can.

    8th Dan, the whole shebang is apparently on Netflix, if you can afford the $14 month & have an internet connection faster than a piece of string between 2 tin cans.
    Also on there apparently are what seems like all of Burn’s war docos, he’s done bluddee near every conflict the yanks have ever been involved in.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    Plenty of old whitey Deliverance types living in shipping containers on ten acres or so out that way, Elvis.

    The sort that don’t come to town much. The sort that steal three-phase power from their distant neighbours for their just-so chest freezer and telly, or have little gensets for them.

    The sort that buy a couple of knackered-out nags three or four times a year, as ‘companion animals’ for next to nothing.

    Just sayin’.

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    ps, Rex. Only one “c” in “doco”.

    Look at this absolute wanker Jesus Christ.

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    Reasonably confident that was a joke, Tel. A caricature, if you like, of the style of bloke that lives in Texas rather than informed commentary on the societal pros and cons of concealed carry legislation.

  177. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, Apocalypse Now is not what I would call a documentary, rather a big budget Hollywood war movie that got lost and luckily had Italian cinematographers to turn it into a masterpiece. A good documentary for you is Heartbreak Ridge about the invasion of Grenada. You should watch that too.

    Re the East India Company, it was a Dutch idea, that the Poms borrowed from completely and improved out of sight. Then the Yanks took ideas from that to create the USA.

  178. Steve trickler

    Well done, Mr Dice.



  179. 8th Dan

    Thanks again, Salvatore. I’ve had Netflix for a few years but don’t have time to watch much on there. I mostly record docos/movies from Free to Air TV and watch them when I can.

  180. EvilElvis

    Just sayin’.

    I’m picking up what you’re putting down my man.

  181. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, you got any tips for the race tomorrow?

  182. EvilElvis

    Nice one, Steve. Mark plays well on the telly, a more professional persona than his YT clips and the boys looking good after dropping a few kg.

    No, no I’m not wearing an expensive watch…

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    8th Dan fancies Antecedent, out of Hearsay by Inadmissible.

    Widely drawn, heavily weighted and a likely scratching.

  184. 8th Dan

    No Rex. I don’t follow the neddies.

  185. Bruce in WA

    Cobblers … he stabs you in the back and you never saw it coming … then he takes your gun.

    It was a joke, Joyce. (Give me a break!)

    My B-I-L (American) was at a college reunion. The “gal” he was sitting with (a Texan), dropped her “pocketbook” on the floor. He picked it up, hefted it, and said, “What y’all got in here? A gun?”

    Her reply?

    “Well o’ course! What else?”

  186. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, those long winter nights must just fly by in your house. So Melbourne Cup Day you spend doing what exactly?

  187. Top Ender

    Lizzie, the Agincourt scene was at great odds with the accounts of it.

    1) the English bowmen waited for the Frogs to attack from behind a stake barrier

    2) they advanced the stakes a while later

    3) the Frog cavalry should have attacked during 2, but then did a bit of charge with little effect – many shot down

    4) the French finally advanced on foot and the British bowmen engaged

    5) due to constricted ground (between two woods) their line was not wide enough

    6) they failed to reach the line and suffered massive casualties, partly due to mud meaning they could not advance very well or fight well. Eventually some got there and the English infantry engaged, with the bowmen joining in on the flanks. Much French dead and wounded encumbered by their armour.

    7) Kings fighting in battle without helmets get dead (as should Falstaff much earlier)

    8) at no stage did Henry engage in personal combat with the Frog leader.

    Just a quick few points.

    Oh, and Kings who land in France and advance leading the way into enemy villages – with no scouts or skirmishers out – also tend to die early.

    Nearly forgot – Henry looked like he’d last two minutes in plate armour swinging a weapon. Needed a good spell in the fattening paddock pre the shooting schedule.

  188. Rex Mango

    TE, may be wrong but have heard they were Welsh bowmen.

  189. JC

    Top E

    A friend of mine here is half frog and half Anglo. Being 50 50 he reckons he’s at liberty to say what he wants. He thinks the Brits are a bunch of disingenuous arseholes who caused nearly all the wars up to the 20thC.
    He was saying this a day before getting on a plane for London the next day. 🙂

    I don’t know if it’s right, but he also reckoned the middle finger sign comes from the regular grunts showing the middle finger to the archers suggesting they would cut it off if they got hold of them.

  190. Bruce in WA

    I don’t know if it’s right, but he also reckoned the middle finger sign comes from the regular grunts showing the middle finger to the archers suggesting they would cut it off if they got hold of them.

    I heard it was from the Poms showing they still had two fingers left to draw a bow …

  191. Tom

    Naturally, David Rowe is with the vegan rabble at the cup.

  192. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    hanks again Tom.

  193. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Anybody got a spare “T”?

  194. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What an interesting coincidence. Vegans, anti-riding crop folks, PETA, Extinction Rebellion, lots of different groups planning protests today, Melbourne Cup day.
    Which also just happens to be Guy Fawkes Day!

  195. Leigh Lowe

    Just been to the whizzer.
    The fitness watch offered up no opinion on this excursion.
    Good.

  196. bespoke

    Always good to start the work day with a smile. Cheers LL.

  197. Rockdoctor

    Took a look at News.com before, parroting ABC anti-horse racing garbage this morning. Figures, journalists in Australia seem so bereft of ideas they pick something popular & run devils advocate along the green left line these days. Just as well Christmas is coming…

  198. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom, great to see you back in business!

  199. A Lurker

    I thought that Death was supposed to ride a pale horse?

  200. Beertuk

    Melbourne Cup Day. An unofficial half day off for the ADF and Dept. of Defence outside Victoria and marks the start of the silly season. Section pissups, platoon and company pissups, send offs, unit christmas pissup, corporals to the Sergeants Mess (there were three or four corporals that didn’t have a sergeant to host them that cost me a bloody fortune for five years), Sergeants to the Officers Mess or vice versa depending on whos turn it was to host that year and the Sergeants Mess Christmas function. Fun times.

  201. Bruce of Newcastle

    I hope this means all 25,000 attendees will now be forced to travel by yacht.

    They’re Gonna Need a Bigger Boat: More Climate Activists Cry for Help to Reach COP25 Climate Conference

    Swedish activist Greta Thunberg is not alone in asking the world for help so she can join 25,000 other delegates at the rescheduled United Nations COP25 climate conference in Spain.

    Young Belgian climate proponents Adelaide Charlier and Anuna De Wever (pictured) had boarded a sailing boat for South America in October to sail to Chile to participate in COP25 when it was set down for South America.

    Now they are stranded and desperate to head back to Europe for the COP25 meeting rescheduled for Madrid next month in the biggest and fastest boat that can be made available to them free of charge.

    Kiddies, make sure you take ethically sourced recycled paper bags with you as you round Cape Horn, so when you upchuck your guts you can catch them before they go over the side.

  202. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Tom, I’ve missed your ‘toons and was sorry to see you captive of technical difficulties for a time – nice anonymous quote – “The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back. “.

  203. calli

    Good get, Lurker. War rides the red horse.

  204. calli

    the biggest and fastest boat that can be made available to them free of charge.

    Freeloaders.

  205. Beertuk

    Kiddies, make sure you take ethically sourced recycled paper bags with you as you round Cape Horn, so when you upchuck your guts you can catch them before they go over the side.

    Make sure the mode of transport is carbon neutral.

  206. JC

    Bloomberg) — Donald Trump is competitive in head-to-head match ups with top Democrats in six key battleground states, according to a new set of New York Times/Siena College polls.Across Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina — the six states that Trump won most narrowly in 2016 — the president trails Joe Biden by an average of two percentage points among registered voters — within the margin of error.

    Trump leads Elizabeth Warren, who has been edging out Biden for front-runner status, by two points among registered voters in those states. That’s the same margin by which he won over Hillary Clinton there three years ago.The surveys are positive news for Trump, who faces low approval ratings nationwide and as he battles a House impeachment inquiry. A Democratic path to victory in 2020 likely would need to include several of those states.

    Interesting situation. They’ve thrown the kitchen sink at the guy and this is what’s coming out. In other words, all things equal, Trump would destroy Biden in the general.

    The D’rats have a serious problem here. Biden won’t make it through against Trump in the states where it really matters and High Cheeks doesn’t do well at all.
    My sense is that D’rats generally dislike Biden and seem to love High Cheeks, but are only vying for him because they think he can beat Trump.

    Sure, it’s only one poll and a large number of voters are possibly lying about their true intentions making polls useless.

    Then, there’s the stock market. If the punters really thought Trump was going to lose to say High Cheeks, it would be heading down now, but it’s not. It’s at the highs.

    We saw a bit of this in Australia. Throughout the campaign and just before, the stockmarket began to trade higher and I was scratching my head trying to figure out how it could, when the Liars were in front in the polls and betting markets. Maybe the stockmarket is the real betting market these days. Maybe.

  207. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I’m no longer even looking at Rowes “cartoons”, why are leftoids so attracted to grime and squalor? Rowe’s drawing style stinks.

  208. JC

    And bank stocks are at the year highs even though High Cheeks threatens to crucify them.

  209. Mark A

    MY bets on the cup: 1,2,8,13,18,19,20 $1 for each win fixed.

    If either wins, best I win $16 worse I win $1.
    If none wins I lose $7

  210. John Constantine

    Sky wymynsys launches a gotcha, but hasn’t even done her homework enough to know which minister has responsibility for the area.

  211. classical_hero

    JC, the polls are skewered heavily towards the Democrats.

  212. JC

    Classic

    Even more, if players thought Trump would lose, bank stocks would be trounced. It would be a bloodbath because High Cheeks would destroy them. They’re on their highs though.

  213. Herodotus

    One out of two is something!
    Amazing disclosures on Robin Williams’s ABC Science Show.
    He had an expert on to say nuclear power is safe, and casualties have been very low despite several notable incidents including Chernobyl and Fukushima.
    But: at the same time both maintained their climate change alarmism.
    Oh well, at least the endorsement of nuclear was progress.

  214. struth

    The surveys are positive news for Trump

    , he’s not fussed about polls from f–wits

    who faces low approval ratings nationwide

    yeah, just like before the election…..leftwingbubble-itis

    and as he battles a House impeachment inquiry.

    hasn’t even got off the ground and won’t

    A Democratic path to victory in 2020 likely would need to include several of those states.

    no shit Sherlock.

  215. Top Ender

    Re bowmen of Britain…

    Yes, drawn from Welsh areas, but also from all over Britain. Bow time at the butts – the targets – was compulsory practice for all men and boys over 14 every Sunday – they got some payment from the local lord.

    The two fingers story is one that won’t go away but does not seem to have any basis in reality. Longbows are drawn with three fingers anyway.

    There are no stories of bowmen back from the wars who spent the rest of their lives in the village minus two fingers. Nor is here mention of it in the Agincourt sources, nor Crecy decades later – also a famous longbow victory.

    When you think about it, it’s going to be pretty difficult to do to someone, particularly a strong, fit bowmen – the longbow draw was up to 150 pounds – who doesn’t want to co-operate.

    Snopes has something on it; as does this article.

  216. Entropy

    the president trails Joe Biden by an average of two percentage points among registered voters — within the margin of error.

    Trump leads Elizabeth Warren,

    My take from this is that the establishment wants Biden and the base wants Fauxahontas. Hence this story.

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Amazing disclosures on Robin Williams’s ABC Science Show.

    How’s his 100m sea level rise forecast going?

  218. Entropy

    I cant fathom, given the Ukrainian incident, Biden is even still a public figure, if not under persecution. Instead it’s Trumpity Trumpity Trump!
    Even that bow tie wearing autist Tucker that Sinc keeps featuring did not mention Biden when talking about Ukraine. It is almost like he is really an establishment shill too.

  219. Farmer Gez

    ABC Am Girl attacks the Cup first up with animal obsessives at the parade.
    A live cross to another ABC Girl at Flemington to describe the weather as cold and to talk about the use of the whip in the race.
    Ride like a girl and whine like a bitch.

  220. Tom

    The Paywallian’s chief sports commentator, Patrick Smith, saves up his most hysterical venom for Australia’s greatest horse race:

    Beyond the suits and suites is a sport that terrorises its stars

    I used to work with that idiot. He has zero understanding of horse-racing. No link from me — it’s Fakefacts-level clickbait.

  221. Eyrie

    nice anonymous quote – “The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back. “

    Tinta, sounds likeLlazarus Long via his creator Robert A. Heinlein.

  222. Cassie of Sydney

    Andrew Bolt had a good take on Melbourne Cup last night…how the left are successfully smearing, demonising and destroying everything that is culturally significant, important and most importantly, fun for us Australians….first they came for Anzac Day, then Australia Day and now Melbourne Cup.

    Where will it end?

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I cant fathom, given the Ukrainian incident, Biden is even still a public figure, if not under persecution. Instead it’s Trumpity Trumpity Trump!

    There is so much that can’t be fathomed, over there and here. I never thought I’d see the day when the Melbourne Cup, Australia’s horse race, was not a part of a National fervor, or at least interest, but a ‘day of shame’, nor ever see the working man’s game of Rugby League turned into a sissy fest. We live in such times as these.

    Why Biden gets a pass on outright nepotism and illegality in Ukrainian dealings but Trump is hounded on the basis of a Ukrainian nothingburger is a sad symptom of the decline of America’s Republic.

    I am dressing up, putting on a summer hat, and heading for a celebratory Cup Lunch today.
    Bugger them.

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