Open Forum: November 9, 2019

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  1. Ellie

    The only pearls are pearl panties

  2. Ellie

    With room for a pool and a pony ?

    Yes!

  3. thefrollickingmole

    Albo may have stumbled across his biggest problem in the election loss review.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-09/labor-heartland-mirage-not-destination-political-post-mortem/11687718
    The review has also exposed some of the interesting issues Labor faces, whoever is leading it.

    “The Labor Party has been increasingly mobilised to address the political grievances of a vast and disparate constituency,” it says.

    “A grievance-based approach can create a culture of moving from one issue to the next, formulating myriad policies in response to a broad range of concerns.

    Care needs to be taken to avoid Labor becoming a grievance-based organisation.

    Im pretty sure the horse has not only bolted on that one but just won the Melbourne cup.

  4. Nick

    Lol, you Kitties are making me laugh (in a good way)

  5. calli

    Is your IRL name Violet, Ellie?*

    😁

    * not doxxing, just teasing.

  6. calli

    With a skint nephew called Sheridan. Whose pal is Tarquin.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Had been watching NBN Nine local news, who did a remarkable job covering the fires, which are in their zone from Ncl to the border. Became too much after a while and I had to turn off. Sad for the people who’ve lost homes and animals.

    My impression though was the fires were classic understory-and-wind. One particular aerial shot of some houses burned near Glen Innes – they were each in the middle of eucalypt forest and the fire hadn’t touched the canopy at all. Just what you would expect for eucalyptus germination. We humans really do have to get our act together and build sanely in this landscape.

  8. calli

    I am charitable, Ellie. To a point.

    Beyond which I will not step.

  9. calli

    Bruce, it’s just common sense. If it isn’t euc seedlings infesting the understorey, it’s weeds and volunteer species.

    The whole ecology has been tweeked by magical indigenes. Perhaps we need to take their management practices seriously,

    Otherwise we will never be Welcome to Country.

  10. Geriatric Mayfly

    For weather watchers windy.com has added a new layer “Active Fires” The current conflagrations show up in all their menace.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    I thought Sheridan was the son.
    Never met the right girl, apparently.

  12. Nick

    Leigh Lowe
    #3206808, posted on November 9, 2019 at 6:50 pm
    I thought Sheridan was the son.
    Never met the right girl, apparently.

    Why am I getting that CL vibe again. ?

  13. Zatara

    If it isn’t euc seedlings infesting the understorey, it’s weeds and volunteer species.

    Not to mention natural deadfall and such which when dry lights easily and burns much longer than dry grasses and such.

  14. areff

    Perhaps we need to take their management practices seriously.

    You bet we do. But we won’t. If Black Saturday wasn’t enough — 173 dead and a lot of people who should have gone to jail — nothing will ever be enough.

  15. Mark A

    Leigh Lowe
    #3206808, posted on November 9, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    I thought Sheridan was the son.

    Son to Mrs Bucket, nephew to Violet, Mrs B’s sister.

  16. calli

    I thought Sheridan was the son.

    Ah. But I was referring to Violet.

    I should know.

    I’m Daisy. 😁

  17. Infidel Tiger

    This is a very weird blog.

    Time to delete.

  18. areff

    Lenny Stretton laid it all out in 1939, and here we are, 80 years on, and the lessons remain unlearnt.

    Worth reading the introduction for the royal commissioner’s mellifluous prose alone.

    http://www.voltscommissar.net/docs/Leonard_Stretton-1939_Bush_Fires_Royal_Commission_Report.pdf

  19. Snoopy

    Mark A
    #3206817, posted on November 9, 2019 at 6:59 pm
    Suicide prevention

    LOL.

  20. Nick

    Daisy and Onslow are my favourites.

  21. calli

    It’s been worse, IT. You know it. I know it.

    Next, I’ll be asked to define “worse”.

  22. Bruce

    Arky:

    “No. For the idiots who thought up the word “non- binary”.

    Hex on them?

  23. Nick

    Define ‘worse’, Calli.

  24. Nick

    Ok, ok, I’m going to the naughty corner. There’s no need to point.

  25. stackja

    Bruce
    #3206825, posted on November 9, 2019 at 7:09 pm
    Arky:

    “No. For the idiots who thought up the word “non- binary”.

    Hex on them?

    Non-binary is a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—‌identities that are outside the gender binary. Genderqueer is an earlier term with the same meaning, originating from queer zines of the 1980s.

    All very queer!

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here’s a cat video just for Infi, since he’s bored.

    WATCH: Courageous Cat Saves Toddler from Falling Down Flight of Stairs (8 Nov)

  27. Some History

    Tennis Australia’s plan for Margaret Court anniversary revealed

    Tennis Australia will meet with Margaret Court this weekend as the game’s governing body plans to recognise Court’s achievements rather than celebrate them.
    Sources familiar with the matter told The Age that Tennis Australia had flown a camera crew to Perth earlier this year to interview Court about her career. While TA plans to formally recognise her rare achievement in winning all four major singles titles in a calendar year, there will be not be a celebration to match this year’s 50-year anniversary of Rod Laver’s 1969 calendar year Grand Slam.
    Tennis Australia has found itself in a tough position considering they are opposed to Court’s views on homosexuality and same-sex marriage but feel they need to acknowledge her achievements as they did Laver’s.

    https://wwos.nine.com.au/tennis/tennis-legends-divided-over-margaret-court-grand-slam-celebrations/73346c2e-e629-4eef-8118-9d2f7ded0563

  28. Percy Popinjay

    Has Eighth Graegooglary been smote yet?

    If not, why not, Perfesser?

    Enough.

  29. Bubbles

    Not allowed back home tonight, unfortunately.
    The house is OK apparently but all of the access roads are cut or soon will be.
    The wind has finally died but the bloody fire keeps on going. Apparently, they are running out of firies as teams go off for a rest.
    We need to get back home before family tensions emerge in our current crowded situation of three families imposing on one.

  30. Roger

    Lenny Stretton laid it all out in 1939, and here we are, 80 years on, and the lessons remain unlearnt.

    Not so much unlearnt – forgotten – but deliberately suppressed, which makes it more criminal.

  31. 2dogs

    Can I have the Cat experts check my costings?

    I assert that if we used nuclear power, that cost of disposing of the nuclear waste into space would be less than $0.10 per Kilowatt hour.

    Cost of space disposal per kilogram: $20,000

    Power generated per 1 kg of nuclear waste: 260 MWH = 260,000 KWH = 0.077

  32. bespoke

    There’s no need to point

    But I will anyway.

  33. Snoopy

    Non-binary is a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—‌identities that are outside the gender binary. Genderqueer is an earlier term with the same meaning

    Surely genderqueer is less sectional? I wonder why it fell from favour? Could it be that non-binary presents as more sciency?

  34. zyconoclast

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  35. Steve trickler

    It didn’t take long for everyone figure out something was wrong.



    All the best to her.

  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    All good wishes, Bubbles.

  37. Percy Popinjay

    The actrine Hollyweird chose to portray Madge Court in 2017 (before all the “controversial” comments)

    The actrine Hollyweird chose to portray Madge Court in 2019 (after all the “controversial” comments)

  38. MatrixTransform

    Hex on them

    fine

    54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 66 75 6E 20 6E 75 6D 62 65 72 73 20 68 61 73 20 6E 6F 20 77 61 6E 67

  39. Mark A

    MatrixTransform
    #3206848, posted on November 9, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Hex on them
    54 72 75 65 2e

  40. Snoopy

    The actrine Hollyweird chose to portray Madge Court in 2019 (after all the “controversial” comments)

    And you have the hide to demand another’s smoting. FMD

  41. Arky

    Can’t figure out where the rear window goes on Jeza-Belle.
    Just going to shove it in where I want.
    Getting a new router bit.

  42. Steve trickler

    She’s having a stroke.

  43. zyconoclast

    Antigua and Barbuda want reparations from Harvard because of the law school’s slavery ties

    In an urgently worded letter recently sent to Harvard, Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Gaston Browne demanded that the university pay his country reparations ‘‘for the gains Harvard enjoyed at the expense’’ of Antiguan slaves.

    Browne’s Oct. 30 letter to Harvard University President Lawrence Bacow — reported Tuesday night by the Miami Herald and Harvard Crimson — draws a direct line from Harvard Law School’s success today to the oppression of Antiguans enslaved by a Massachusetts-based plantation owner in the colonial era.

    That plantation owner was Isaac Royall Jr. — the wealthy benefactor of Harvard’s very first law professorship in 1815, whose name is still attached to Harvard’s distinguished Royall Professor of Law position today.

    “We consider Harvard’s failure to acknowledge its obligations to Antigua and the stain it bears from benefiting from the blood of our people as shocking if not immoral,” Browne wrote.

  44. Tel

    Cost of space disposal per kilogram: $20,000

    Power generated per 1 kg of nuclear waste: 260 MWH = 260,000 KWH = 0.077

    Is that with or without waste reprocessing?

    The French manage to get a few rounds out of the stuff before they give up on it.

  45. Percy Popinjay

    Now hang on, Noops – whom have I demanded be smote of late, I asks ya?

  46. Snoopy

    I may be guilty of a (very) slight misrepresentation, Percy.

  47. Percy Popinjay

    Thanks, Squire.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    areff, earlier:

    ‘fuckin’-a black basta!’

    Sometimes I miss having chockies for neighbours.

    Lived next to one in Strathmore for a time. He was one of the full-on make-your-own-wine guys that would bang on your door Sunday nights like the house was on fire and hand over a two litre juice bottle full of it.

    Had excellent potential for a substance you could smuggle on planes inside shampoo bottles and blow them up with.

  49. Bruce of Newcastle

    2dogs – The fully mature process hasn’t been optimised yet. Complete consumption of U238 (and Th232) then generate electricity from the waste heat produced from fission product decay.

    The fission products produce a lot of energy themselves. The “waste” needs to be recycled to the right equipment to exploit all that free energy.

    After all that the decayed fission products can be launched into the Sun when it isn’t worth the effort to recover any more residual heat.

  50. areff

    Oh, and when the greenies start claiming these fires are the worst ever and it’s all global warming’s fault, remind them of the 1974 NSW fire season: close to five million acres gone in a few days

  51. MatrixTransform

    muggle on planes inside shampoo bottles and blow them up with

    yeah but … did you try the olives?

  52. areff

    Sorry. Got it wrong. That was 4.5 million hectares, not acres, in 1974-75.

  53. Rex Mango

    Battle of Waterloo on Vanity Fair right now, stopping me from getting to the pub.

    Picture at top of this article easily the best re fall of Berlin wall:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/11/wall-could-not-stand-john-fund/

  54. Knuckle Dragger

    The olives were pretty good, MT.

    I was living with the future ex-Mrs KD, before we were manacled together. Despite this, he would from time to make very discreet enquiries as to my income, which I later found out was to determine my suitability (despite my Skippiness) as a potential hubby for one of his wolfpack’s daughters.

    Some examples of his discretion included ‘You own, no rent?’ and ‘How mucha you make?’

    I think I might track him down.

  55. kaysee

    Tennis Australia has found itself in a tough position considering they are opposed to Court’s views on homosexuality and same-sex marriage but feel they need to acknowledge her achievements as they did Laver’s.

    No, Tennis Australia, it’s not a tough position if you respect a person’s right to freedom of speech, religion and conscience. And hold that as separate from their achievements. But to be able to do that, it is necessary to be intelligent. And that is a trait that is missing from the wokerati. If TA was made up of Conservatives, would there be a celebration for Court?
     
    People who call themselves Conservatives – what’s that?
     
    It’s like a variety of flavours:
    Economic conservative but social woke; political woke but religious conservative; social conservative but mental woke and so on. There are a number of media folk or politicians or celebrities for example, who pass themselves off under the Conservative banner.
     
    Q&A to determine if someone is really Conservative (aka Intelligent).
     
    1. Is there a climate crisis/catastrophe?
    2. Should the definition of Marriage have been changed in 2017?
    3. Is George Pell guilty of the crime for which he is in prison?
    4. On the issue of abortion, would you describe yourself as a Pro Choice supporter?
    5. Should the upcoming NSW Senate vacancy be filled by Jim Molan?
    6. Should Israel Folau have lost his job for his social media post?
     
    Each of the above is a Yes or No answer and they score (intelligence) points for the correct answer. But the quality of the reasons for each correct answer determines the degree of intelligence.

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Sandgroper Cats…Onya Vince!

    Meat lovers face off with Direct Action Everywhere protestors at Vince Garreffa’s Mondo butchers in Inglewood
    Headshot of John Flint
    John Flint
    The West Australian
    Saturday, 9 November 2019 11:11AM
    John Flint

    Animal activists are protesting outside Vince Garreffa’s Mondo butchers in Inglewood — but they are outnumbered by a group of supporters who have turned up to back the celebrity butcher.

    On a baking hot day, about 30 protesters from Direct Action Everywhere are on one side of Beaufort Street with signs, while about 70 people are on the other supporting Mr Garreffa.

    Members of Direct Action Everywhere have descended on Mr Garreffa’s business to protest against his “vile” practice of selling horse meat.

    Police have already led one of his supporters away after he baited the animal activists by waving a piece of steak in front of them.

    Earlier this week Mr Garreffa said the protests were ill-informed and hoped that protesters would be calm and controlled, but he was expecting trouble.

    “I’m not interested in fights. If they do it within the law they can do what they like,” he said.

    The anti-meat protesters weren’t muzzled, but they were drowned out by a melody of classic hits that boomed from speakers at the butchers.

    The smell of roast pork, beef and lamb filled the air as supporters baited the demonstrators by waving their kebab sticks.

    The cries of “it’s not food, it’s violence” were barely discernible as Mr Garreffa’s playlist filled the street.

    There was no hate in the Italian classic It’s Amore, but the sentiment wasn’t shared by the placard-bearing group of protesters.

    But hits like Dream the Impossible Dream might have resonated with those who dream of a meat-free future.

    Mr Garreffa said the protesters had picked the wrong target and slammed the group for singling out individual businesses, labelling it a disgrace.

    He said it was a waste of police resources and he praised customers for turning up in big numbers to support him. He said trade was double the normal Saturday trade.

  57. Nick

    Had excellent potential for a substance you could smuggle on planes inside shampoo bottles and blow them up with.

    In Eastern Europe, try Grappa, Rakia, Palinka, Tuica, etc. The 60% proof peasant made stuff is the best.

  58. Rex Mango

    7. Sell the ABC
    8. Prosecute the ABC for treason
    9. Commence exploration for oil offshore Sydney basin, in the Great Barrier Reef & Antartica
    10. Aquire nuclear attack submarines & perhaps missile boats too, with maybe some B1B’s too
    11. Introduce a compulsory subject in the HSC of Horse Racing Appreciation

  59. Tintarella di Luna

    My Dad’s Grapppa was a criss between rocket fuel and marine varnish -we used to have it our coffee when we started work in the early mornings -a real heart-starter

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    And a criss cross too

  61. Roger

    Oh, and when the greenies start claiming these fires are the worst ever and it’s all global warming’s fault, remind them of the 1974 NSW fire season: close to five million acres gone in a few days

    ABC News tonight:

    Unprecedented!

    Apocalyptic!

    That’s verbatim.

  62. Rex Mango

    12. Take all powers of taxation off the Federal Government & return it to states

  63. calli

    I wonder when this will be memoryholed? I note it has no by-line.

    Back when Shake My Head was sensible.

  64. Percy Popinjay

    Q&A to determine if someone is really Conservative (aka Intelligent).

    1. Is there a climate crisis/catastrophe? NO
    2. Should the definition of Marriage have been changed in 2017? NO
    3. Is George Pell guilty of the crime for which he is in prison? NO
    4. On the issue of abortion, would you describe yourself as a Pro Choice supporter? NO
    5. Should the upcoming NSW Senate vacancy be filled by Jim Molan? NO – the wally is an expedient joke – I have witnessed him advocating the filling up of regional areas in this country with so called “refugees”. A Stupid.Forking.Gliberal. he be.
    6. Should Israel Folau have lost his job for his social media post? NO

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    Brilliance:

    ‘Police have already led one of his supporters away after he baited the animal activists by waving a piece of steak in front of them.’

    And:

    ‘The anti-meat protesters weren’t muzzled, but they were drowned out by a melody of classic hits that boomed from speakers at the butchers. The smell of roast pork, beef and lamb filled the air as supporters baited the demonstrators by waving their kebab sticks.

    ‘The cries of “it’s not food, it’s violence” were barely discernible as Mr Garreffa’s playlist filled the street.’

    Bahahaaaa.

    WA butchers, you have your Patton.

  66. egg_

    Female rulers are MORE likely than men to go to war, reveals study of leaders spanning centuries

    When there were a majority of European Queens, they’d do a pile-on against a weaker opponent.
    Sound familiar?

  67. egg_

    Oh look – it’s I-am-1/8th-Penis!

  68. Roger

    “Never before…” we are solemnly told by the ABC.

    It’s a pity they don’t fact check themselves.

  69. Tintarella di Luna

    Percy Popinjay come on down. Percy correct on all questions and his explanations were concise and cogent -well done Percy

  70. Leigh Lowe

    A drink called mastika???
    Barely edible as I recall.

  71. Nick

    My Dad’s Grapppa was a criss between rocket fuel and marine varnish -we used to have it our coffee when we started work in the early mornings -a real heart-starter

    Tint, we should have cafe correto, here. It’s soooo good 🙂

  72. Percy Popinjay

    Iampiñata, everyone’s favourite staggeringly stupid syphilis addled imbecile is in da ‘oose, I tells ya!

    Spergs!
    Larping!
    Collectivists!
    Knowing da nuthing aboot da politix!
    Brain the size of walnut!
    Projectionionion!

  73. RobK

    My thoughts are with you Bubbles. I went through a similar thing ten years ago. It cuts deep.

  74. egg_

    For weather watchers windy.com has added a new layer “Active Fires” The current conflagrations show up in all their menace.

    Which are the “inactive” fires – all of the unburned undergrowth ready to go up in flames?

  75. Geriatric Mayfly

    “Never before…” we are solemnly told by the ABC.
    It’s a pity they don’t fact check themselves.

    It’s the weekend. Only the bright young things are on duty, dropping promotional spoor.

  76. Rex Mango:

    12. Take all powers of taxation off the Federal Government & return it to states

    I’d prefer the Feds kept the GST, let the States raise their own stuff like PAYE. At least get some competition back in the taxing regime.

  77. Geriatric Mayfly

    A drink called mastika???

    Another one made from plums labelled with those hazardous chemical graphics. There is much ruin in a Black Forest clearing.

  78. Percy Popinjay

    Aw, shucks, Tints. 😉

  79. Roger

    I’d prefer the Feds kept the GST, let the States raise their own stuff like PAYE. At least get some competition back in the taxing regime.

    OK. But you do realise this will give Jackie Trad first dibs on your pay packet.

  80. egg_

    Oh look – it’s I-am-1/8th-Penis!

    AKA Clown Penis

  81. Percy Popinjay

    the “inactive” fires – all of the unburned undergrowth ready to go up in flames

    Gifted to everyone (whether they wanted it or not) by smelly braindead greenfilth (BIRM).

  82. MatrixTransform

    In Eastern Europe, try …

    Romania? … every bloke I ever met from Romania was named Nick.

    …albeit, my sample set is only about 3

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    The plus with Jim Molan filling the Senate vacancy is he seems to have the same ability as Boris of utterly exploding the heads of the wets in his own party. That alone is a worthy skill even if he’s a bit wet himself, though less so than Boris.

    Better than Jim Molan would be to fill the Senate vacancy with Tony Abbott. The wailing would be epic.

  84. Percy Popinjay

    every (allegedly) carbon based lifeform I ever met from Romania was named Nic.

    Short for Nicolai.

  85. Roger

    That alone is a worthy skill even if he’s a bit wet himself, though less so than Boris.

    A bit? He repeatedly declared himself a Hillary supporter on The Dumb in 2016.

    The only issue he’s been good on is fuel security.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    12. Take all powers of taxation off the Federal Government & return it to states

    That would have the advantage of the lower taxing States attracting investment and growth, and the mendicant States can go bust in their own sweet time.

  87. Nick

    every (allegedly) carbon based lifeform I ever met from Romania was named Nic.

    That surprises me. When I was there it was Daniel

  88. areff

    Great, great find, Calli. Have bookmarked it to contrast with the inevitable green piffle the Silly will run tomorrow about global warming. For those who didn’t follow Calli’s link:

    … The menace of the bushfires was compounded by the fact that, in urban areas and in rural retreats, people welcomed the seductively tranquil outlook of high gums and cool shade. Conservationists approved the preservation of the arboreal landscapes. They also looked askance at burning-off of forests during hazard-reduction operations. Political pressures were brought to limit hazard reduction programs. There were legal restrictions against ordinary householders clearing fire hazards; they could not go cutting down trees in land they did not own and often there were preservation orders preventing them from cutting down trees on their own land. The result was that householders were often surrounded by fuel. Valleys leading to clifftops where houses were built became gigantic flues with fireballs sweeping up, to destroy homes in minutes. In 1990, Dr Ross Bradstock, a scientist with the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service, said one of the paradoxes of urban Australia was that people wanted to live in the bush but “they get upset when fires burn their blasted house down. People seem to think they have a right to live in the bush but escape the onus of fire.” …

    I’m guessing this was an extended editorial, hence no byline

  89. kaysee

    Percy and Tinta
     
    Points being calculated …. will publish score card tomorrow 🙂

  90. Rex Mango

    Tom, as a member of the ATC am not sure what Vlandys up to. Sydney running interference on the Spring Carnival with no particular pattern. Don’t know where the master plan is, but in meantime a mutual enemy, the ABC blows up racing big time. Spoken to some people who reckon he is a genius, but all Sydney is offering is money and weight for age sprints. Golden Slipper being prime example of how to ruin horse racing by making it world’s richest 2yo race. What a joke and now Vlandys continues the same theme. Gotta go play some pool.

  91. Steve trickler

    Critique is fine. Make up your own minds.



  92. kaysee

    Rex Mango
    #3206874, posted on November 9, 2019 at 8:03 pm

    7. Sell the ABC

    In order to reach point 7, it would be necessary to pass Questions 1 – 6.
    Know anyone in the Cabinet who can manage that?

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh.

    I was looking forward to some largsperging.

  94. RobK

    9. Commence exploration for oil offshore Sydney basin, in the Great Barrier Reef & Antartica
    Don’t forget the Great Australian Bight.

  95. kaysee

    Better than Jim Molan would be to fill the Senate vacancy with Tony Abbott. The wailing would be epic.

    ….and the gnashing of teeth too.
     
    Warren Mundine another option.

  96. Knuckle Dragger

    Headline in the Betoota Advocate:

    ‘Margaret Court Criticises Tennis Australia For Excluding Her Like She’s Some Sort Of Queer’

  97. DrBeauGan

    Q&A to determine if someone is really Conservative (aka Intelligent).

    1. Is there a climate crisis/catastrophe? NO
    2. Should the definition of Marriage have been changed in 2017? NO
    3. Is George Pell guilty of the crime for which he is in prison? NO
    4. On the issue of abortion, would you describe yourself as a Pro Choice supporter? NO
    5. Should the upcoming NSW Senate vacancy be filled by Jim Molan? NO – the wally is an expedient joke – I have witnessed him advocating the filling up of regional areas in this country with so called “refugees”. A Stupid.Forking.Gliberal. he be.
    6. Should Israel Folau have lost his job for his social media post? NO

    We knew you are intelligent, Percy.

  98. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Better than Jim Molan would be to fill the Senate vacancy with Tony Abbott.

    That’s a good idea.
    He’s probably run out of ways to lie, cheat and backstab us from the HoR.

  99. zyconoclast

    ‘Gender reveal’ party led to plane crash: investigators

    New York: In recent years, expectant parents have gone to extreme lengths to create splashy, Instagrammable moments to announce the sex of their child. Some celebrations, however, have ended in calamity: an 18,000-hectare forest fire, a flaming car, a deadly explosion.

    And now, a plane crash could be added to that list, according to a preliminary report from the US National Transportation Safety Board filed this week.

    A crop-dusting plane that dumped hundreds of litres of pink water over a field in Turkey, Texas, about 500 kilometres north-west of Dallas, crashed to the ground in early September, according to safety board documents. No major injuries were reported.

    The pilot, Raj Horan, had been “conducting a gender reveal flight for a friend” when, after releasing about 1300 litres of water, the single-seat plane “got too slow” and stalled, records show.

    A passenger, identified as Jennifer Harrell, sustained minor injuries, according to the incident report. The aircraft, which struck the ground and flipped on its back, sustained substantial damage.

    Attempts to reach Harrell and Horan on Friday were not successful.

    The pilot told investigators there were “no pre-impact mechanical failures or malfunctions” with the aeroplane.

    Cultural researchers have traced the origins of the so-called gender reveal party to the late 2000s. But those early attempts feel almost quaint by today’s standards.

    Despite the possibility of attracting backlash for reinforcing gender stereotypes and schadenfreude should things go wrong, some couples have felt that confetti or cake sprinkles are not flashy enough to deliver their messages.

    Last month, an Iowa couple trying to create a device that could shoot coloured powder into the air inadvertently built a pipe bomb that killed one of their guests. A day later, authorities in the state investigated another explosion of a store-bought “gender reveal kit,” according to The Associated Press.

    On the Gold Coast, a black car was rigged to spew thick clouds of blue smoke. But after drifting slowly and spinning its wheels on the road, the car burst into flames. (The driver managed to escape.)

    And in 2018, a man shot a rifle at a target containing a highly explosive chemical mixed with colourful powder packets that were intended to create a pink or blue cloud. The resulting explosion, however, sparked a massive fire that took firefighters a week to extinguish and burnt more than 18,000 hectares in Arizona.

    The man who shot the rifle, a Customs and Border Protection agent, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanour violation of US Forest Service regulations and agreed to pay $US220,000 ($320,000) in restitution.

  100. zyconoclast

    Better than Jim Molan would be to fill the Senate vacancy with Tony Abbott.

    Fraser Anning?

  101. Steve trickler

    One of the blokes banned from Australia.



  102. Knuckle Dragger

    I really don’t know how this happened.

    It wasn’t on the radio, or TV or anything. But somehow, Monte Video and the Cassettes have been in my bonce all afternoon playing ‘Shoop Shoop Diddy Wop Cumma Cumma Wang Dang’. One of my faves, but from 1983 or thereabouts I think.

    Normally, with earworms like this I’d want it to stop – but I’m not sure I want it to.

  103. old bloke

    calli
    #3206799, posted on November 9, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    Is your IRL name Violet, Ellie?*

    😁

    * not doxxing, just teasing.

    I would have thought Rose, not Violet.

  104. calli

    What ever happened to a three liner in Hatch Match and Despatch?

  105. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shoop Shoop Diddy Wop Cumma Cumma Wang Dang

    They just don’t write songs with such deep and meaningful lyrics like that, any more, do they?

  106. Whalehunt fun

    9. Commence exploration for oil offshore Sydney basin, in the Great Barrier Reef & Antartica
    Don’t forget the Great Australian Bight.

    Don’t forget our Antarctic Territory.
    An kick the Chinese out while we are about it.

  107. calli

    Our Rose had nice legs, old bloke. You are very kind.

    But Daisy I am. Or very close to it.

  108. Fisky

    Excellent decision by Indian high court. Everyone who applauded closing Uluru MUST support this decision, and for exactly the same reasons.

    NEW DELHI—India’s Supreme Court, ruling on one of the country’s most divisive cases, paved the way for Hindu groups to build a temple on a religious site contested by Muslim groups seeking to rebuild a mosque that once stood in the same location. It’s time to complete India’s decolonisation!

    The court granted control of the site to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government for its eventual placement into a trust made up of Hindu nationalist groups.

  109. Knuckle Dragger

    Zulu,

    From memory, I believe the bloke singing it in the clip did so with a durry hanging out of his mouth.

    If this is the case and not a pretend reason why I took up smoking, he’s clearly a class act.

  110. calli

    Oh. Mistaken identity. You meant Ellie.

    I blame Jim Barry reisling.

  111. old bloke

    Tennis Australia has found itself in a tough position considering they are opposed to Court’s views on homosexuality and same-sex marriage but feel they need to acknowledge her achievements as they did Laver’s.

    So, Tennis Australia are misogynist?

  112. zyconoclast

    Some candid pictures.

    Candid moments on the London Underground

    Since the first trains ran on the London Underground in 1863 the tunnels and platforms that make up the network have acted as the backdrop to the lives of the many passengers travelling across the capital.

    For photographer Mike Goldwater the interactions and chance encounters were there to be recorded by his camera. Taken during the 1970s, these pictures capture the network before modernisation, a time when you were allowed to smoke and tickets were purchased from large machines for just a few pennies.

  113. Zatara

    “Never before…” we are solemnly told by the ABC.

    “Never before” being defined as within millennial memory.

    Because anything before that is irrelevant, particularly boomers.

  114. Steve trickler

    calli
    #3206941, posted on November 9, 2019 at 9:19 pm
    Our Rose had nice legs, old bloke. You are very kind.

    But Daisy I am. Or very close to it.

    Having fun. 😁

    You mentioned Daisy.



  115. zyconoclast

    EU delivers on stronger European Border and Coast Guard to support Member States

    “Today the European Union has achieved an ambitious task of transforming the EU border agency, Frontex, into a fully-fledged European Border and Coast Guard. This Agency will be equipped to offer tangible support to Member States to manage the EU’s external border – wherever and whenever needed.

    From less than 300 border guards on the ground in 2014, the European Border and Coast Guard is now deploying around 1,300 officers and will soon have a 10,000-strong standing corps available for deployment. This is a collective achievement, which would not have been possible without strong political support for a common approach.

    The European Border and Coast Guard is now stronger than ever. While Member States will remain responsible for the management of external borders, the standing corps will provide unprecedented operational support on the ground. Its officers will be able to assist national border guards in conducting identity and document checks, with border surveillance and return operations.

    The Agency will also provide support beyond the EU’s borders. With European Border and Coast Guard officers already deployed in Albania and soon in other Western Balkan countries also, the Agency will be able to cooperate with third countries beyond the EU’s immediate neighbourhood.

    We have spared no effort to make sure that Member States have the necessary tools to protect their borders and ensure the security of European citizens.

    But our work is not yet done. The Commission will now provide its full support to help the Agency quickly take up its new tasks and ensure the standing corps swiftly reaches its full capacity of 10,000 border guards.”

  116. 2dogs

    2dogs – The fully mature process hasn’t been optimised yet

    The point I am making here is that even with the most expensive waste management option – space disposal – nuclear still ends up being cheaper than what we are paying for renewables today.

  117. twostix

    White Australia Policy now:

    Asian immigration is transforming Australia and the country will soon become “more Asian than European”, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has predicted.

    “They can try and sustain their culture, their language, but the inflow of Asians into Australia will certainly change the character and distribution of population in Australia. And in the future, they are going to be more Asian than European.

    1996 Pauline Hanson was right about everything

    Dr Mahathir’s comments are supported by the 2016 census, which highlights the shift in demographic trends in Australia. More overseas-born migrants now come from Asia than Europe.

  118. Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has predicted.

    Meh…I reckon he fears the Chinese more than some of us.

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    If you include the subcontinent in Asia, then definitely.

  120. twostix

    The bugman think they’ve got us this time around. With multitudes of hate speech laws and a reoganisation of parliaments to ban populist uprisings against their attempts to abolish us from our own country, they assure themselves there will be no repeat of 1901, or 1996.

    This will be an asian country the Keatingite bugman class clucks as he cucks!

    Wrong!

  121. zyconoclast

    The Looming National Security Crisis: Young Americans Unable to Serve in the Military

    The military depends on a constant flow of volunteers every year. According to 2017 Pentagon data, 71 percent of young Americans between 17 and 24 are ineligible to serve in the United States military. Put another way: Over 24 million of the 34 million people of that age group cannot join the armed forces—even if they wanted to. This is an alarming situation that threatens the country’s fundamental national security. If only 29 percent of the nation’s young adults are qualified to serve, and if this trend continues, it is inevitable that the U.S. military will suffer from a lack of manpower. A manpower shortage in the United States Armed Forces directly compromises national security.

  122. In fact I urge Dr Mahatir to let in more Chinese and give them equal rights.

  123. Tel

    The Looming National Security Crisis: Young Americans Unable to Serve in the Military

    They don’t even bother calling it “defense” anymore.

    Why would you bother when you get sent to fight a pointless war in a foreign country on the other side of the world, and as a reward get free access to shitty government hospitals for the rest of your life?

    The full implications of US involvement in the Middle East are just beginning.

  124. Tel

    Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has predicted.

    Meh…I reckon he fears the Chinese more than some of us.

    Mahathir thinks his culture is the best … but is afraid to put that to the test.

    Eclectic Western Europeans don’t give a shit about their culture … but are perfectly happy to jump into the ring and see who comes out on top. See the difference? Being willing to adapt and go with what works is my heritage.

  125. Tom

    I blame Jim Barry reisling.

    Don’t try to shame us with those pictures, Calli. You’re just a very naughty girl.

  126. Morrison has ample means, opportunity and…does he have the motive or backbone to gut, privatise for cash, give away (mutualise) shares to Aussie citizens or preferably terminate the utterly shameful ABC?

    It has become so bad now, that it is not enough to consider reform, but only the end of the life of that utterly dishonest and unhinged organisation.

  127. Steve trickler

    Anyone travelling to Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Papua New Guinea, Japan….. keep your wits about you.



    Those deep quakes are a concern.

  128. Nick

    In fact I urge Dr Mahatir to let in more Chinese and give them equal rights.

    Lol yes. A reality lost on the Australian media.
    He bumiputra couldn’t work their way out of a wet paper bag.

  129. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    does he have the motive or backbone to gut, privatise for cash, give away (mutualise) shares to Aussie citizens or preferably terminate the utterly shameful ABC?

    Do unicorns fly south for the winter?

  130. Well

    More trolling from me. An “Islam is right about women” moment.

    THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED, 97% OF SCIENTISTS AGREE ON GLOBAL WARMING!

    Well, if you’re pro science, you’re very likely to be pro-life.

    Academic leftists tried to kill survey finding 96% of biologists admit life begins at fertilization

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/academic-leftists-tried-to-kill-survey-finding-96-of-biologists-admit-life-begins-at-fertilization

  131. Geriatric Mayfly

    Candid moments on the London Underground

    Thought I might feature in full flight down the escalator, late for work again. Butt kicking those bloody ‘tourists’ who block rapid descent by standing on the left side.

  132. max

    The Hayes’ stable has had an almost fruitless carnival -one only.

    The McEvoys, too.

    V’Landys seems to think his job is to weaken RV. How does that help racing in this country ?

  133. Zyconoclast

    Belgian Health Minister Maggie De Block.

    You will need to have extra wide screen mode on.
    Makes our Foreign Minister look slim.

  134. Zatara

    But our work is not yet done. The Commission will now provide its full support to help the Agency quickly take up its new tasks and ensure the standing corps swiftly reaches its full capacity of 10,000 border guards.

    However, lest there be misunderstanding let us make it clear that the “European Border and Coast Guard” will continue to have no task of interdicting illegal aliens from the EU.

    Otherwise we will guard the coasts and borders.

  135. Well

    More trolling from me. This is another “Quranic scholarship is right about women” moment.

    THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED, 93% OF SCIENTISTS AGREE ON GLOBAL WARMING!

    Well, if you’re pro science, you’re very likely to be pro-life.

    Academic leftists tried to kill survey finding 96% of biologists admit life begins at fertilization

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/academic-leftists-tried-to-kill-survey-finding-96-of-biologists-admit-life-begins-at-fertilization

  136. jupes

    From zyco’s link above:

    they report that the main causes of this situation are inadequate education, criminality, and obesity. Unchecked, the combined effect of these three conditions will continue to decrease the number of young adults eligible to serve in the United States military.

    Keep the crims out, but education and obesity can be fixed. Not a big deal.

    Greater numbers of Americans could be available if the military lowered its standards, but this would also arguably put the nation’s defense at risk since the caliber among service members would be reduced,

    Didn’t seem to bother them when they allowed women into combat positions.

  137. calli

    Thanks, areff. She’s wonderful and a true classic.

    As for me, some of us are bit players and we know it.

  138. feelthebern

    Meh…I reckon he fears the Chinese more than some of us.

    Malaysia is now 35% ethnic Chinese.
    Fastest growing demograph in his country.

  139. feelthebern

    James Halliday plonk list today in the Oz was the most boring list he’s put together in years.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/food-drink/top-100-wines

  140. Nick

    Bern, Dan Murphys abuses the rating system, to the extent that it’s become a marketing wank.

  141. max

    Has Mahathir visited the UK lately ? Or France ? Italy ? Greece ? Ireland ? Canada ? Minnesota ?

  142. Nick

    Melbourne has more Chinks then KL lol

  143. Lazlo

    zyconoclast

    .the London Underground..

    Great pictures. I used to travel the Northern (misery) Line in the 60s. You would be packed in like sardines at peak hour, completely unable to move. Then there was the Moorgate tube disaster in 75 followed by the Kings Cross fire of 87, which is why it is Nosmo King.

  144. Fisky

    Excellent decision by Indian high court. Everyone who applauded closing Uluru MUST support this decision, and for exactly the same reasons. It’s time to complete India’s decolonisation!

    NEW DELHI—India’s Supreme Court, ruling on one of the country’s most divisive cases, paved the way for Hindu groups to build a temple on a religious site contested by M0slem groups seeking to rebuild a mosque that once stood in the same location.

    The court granted control of the site to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government for its eventual placement into a trust made up of Hindu nationalist groups.

  145. Lazlo

    Oh, and btw, your pictures shows tickets being purchased from those wonderful blue monoliths for New Pence, recently converted from sixpence 6d and thrupence 3D machines.

  146. Steve trickler

    It is better than the shit on the ABC and commercial television.



  147. Old School Conservative

    Climate madness won’t be ended by reasoned argument.

    My granddaughter (year 12) is up from the country for a few days and fully believes in climate change because that is what her geography teacher has been instilling in her.
    I get all prepared with the latest reasoned arguments and a bright green “start Adani” drink cooler.
    Drink cooler starts the discussion all right but now she’s moved on to mass species extinction!
    (same teacher sprouting that nonsense)
    And she now won’t eat red meat.

    I’m not giving up but it is a battle when I don’t see her frequently.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks, areff. She’s wonderful and a true classic.

    Yes Very British. The Brits seem to enjoy sending up their class structure while still adhering to it firmly in some ways even these days, albeit declaiming loudly that class is no longer relevant. Hyacinth and those who find her amusing are regarded with a certain deliberately uncomprehending distain by Britain’s declasse intelligentsia and those like Hairy’s brother and sister-in-law, who inhabit an upper middle class world of boarding school ‘half-terms’ and “poor form” and “jolly good shows” and breakfasting with “The Times”.

    The origins of such social striving are beautifully outlined for the Victorian period in F.M.L. Thompson’s “The Rise of Respectable Society”, Fontana, 1988, which ‘rescues the middle and working classes from the rigidity of the class stereotypes by which they have been frequently portrayed . It also argues that the diversity of cultures within those classes was in fact the essence of Victorian society, and that as each class developed its notions of self-respect, so it adhered ever more closely to the classes above and below it, thus avoiding the revolutionary fractures which appeared in many other European countries during this period.’

    The Hyacinth Bucket character was from the start an anachronism in Britain, harking back to social insecurities revealed by the sustained social mobility of the recent past, which was probably part of her popular sit-com appeal. Her behavioural paradigm wouldn’t last for five minutes in Australia these days, and barely does so in England in more recent years, although Australia too had some similar types back in the day of the 50’s and into the 60’s. I recall some of them well, although not fondly: insecure people, usually women, conforming, posing, and anxious, ignored by the genuinely free spirited and open-hearted people of this world. Australia, thankfully, has always had a goodly supply of the latter.

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’m not giving up but it is a battle when I don’t see her frequently.

    Yes, it is. I see it with my sixteen year old grandson, and also with my children, who definitely should know better, and also with other relatives of my generation. That is how vicious and pervasive this nonsense is, and all we can really do to counter it, apart from keeping up the ‘realist’ flag in our corner of the familial world, is to support initiatives for change. Hairy tells me today his name will be on the IPA donors list for Climate Change: The Facts 2020. I expected no less, I tell him. After all, he’s done it before. 🙂

  150. DrBeauGan

    It’s the people like OSC’s grand-daughter are the new Hyacinth Buckets. They believe themselves superior because they have the same beliefs and prejudices as the ‘elite’. Like her geography teacher.
    She’s moving up from the lowly deplorable status of her grandfather. All she has to do is say the right things.

  151. jupes

    I’m not giving up but it is a battle when I don’t see her frequently.

    However you are at least showing her that there is another side.

    She will remember your efforts if and when she learns to think rationally and independently.

  152. Knuckle Dragger

    Cops? Nah. Fireys? No way. Essendon coaches? Close, but no.

    The most dangerous occupation in Melbourne:

    ‘A highway hit team was Saturday night being hunted over the execution of a Melbourne fruiterer on the EastLink tollway.

    ‘Paul Virgona’s body was found in a bullet-riddled van which crashed near the Mullum Mullum tunnel at Donvale early Saturday.’

    Wait for the death notices. ‘A True Gentleman’ will make an appearance.

  153. Lazlo

    Watching the Battle of the Bulge with Robert Shaw (later to be eaten in Jaws) leading the back-projected Panzas going for it, great stuff! Henry Fonda, Robert Ryan, Telly Savalas, Charles Bronson fighting back!

  154. Snoopy

    now she’s moved on to mass species extinction!
    (same teacher sprouting that nonsense)

    It won’t make any difference but you could ask her to name 10 species which are victims of the current mass extinction. Should be easy.

    I recently put the same question to an old trout who claimed we were experiencing a mass extinction. Her mouth opened and closed a few times without making a sound and then she said, “Well, scientists know which one’s have become extinct”.

  155. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3207008, posted on November 9, 2019 at 11:10 pm

    Re. Mrs Bucket.
    Elizabeth, I think you are over analysing this.
    Not sure if you are acting and being subconsciously defensive because of past comparisons of your good self with the character, but I am sure you are wrong.

    I know at least one person like her in our immediate family, so, Australian society is not immune as you claim.
    If I know one close to me, how many more do you think are out there?

    Sorry to interact on this, as you find I never actually responded to your posts good as they may have been.

  156. Snoopy

    Actually, I can think of one almost victim. Wind turbines along the migration route of orange-bellied parrot in Tasmania and Victoria have just about finished the bird off. A spinning rotor blade is not easy for the parrots to avoid at night. Unfortunately.

  157. Hazmatic

    Mater
    #3206407, posted on November 9, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Your whole ‘fed up cannon fodder’ narrative tends to fall apart when YOUR reference is fully examined.

    Can I expand on that and this from the PhD student?

    The “sickness” was sending men like Rick Rescorla (and 57000 others) to fight and die in an unwinnable war.

    Firstly, and obviously, Rescorla was not one of the 57,000 who died in Vietnam! That is absurd. Secondly, Rescorla was not sent to Vietnam. Rescorla actively sought service in the US Army to fight communists. Rescorla was born in the UK and was liable for the UK National Service scheme then operating in the 1950’s. Rescorla weighed the odds and determined that he would be better off enlisting as a regular. He was trained as an officer and saw active service in Cyprus with the Parachute Regiment. It was only after serving with the British Army and the North Rhodesian Police Force he decided to join the US Army in 1963. Rescorla graduated from airborne training at Fort Benning in the same month that the first Medal of Honor was awarded for service in Vietnam to Roger Donlon.

    Rescorla was one of many Brits who crossed the Atlantic to serve in the US Army specifically to see active service in Vietnam. Not all were as ideologically driven as Rescorla but all of them were Vietnam volunteers. It is a toss up between Rick Rescorla and Tom Abraham’s as to who is the best known British Vietnam veteran. Abraham being more notorious than famous. In 2002 Tom Abraham wrote a book called ‘The Cage’ In it he describes his time as an officer in the 1st Cavalry and his capture and escape from the Vietcong. Like the PhD student Tom Abraham was a legitimate Vietnam veteran. Also like the PhD student he wrote a book in which he fabricated his war experience. In Abraham’s case he was never captured by the Vietcong and in the PhD student’s case he was never an aural witness to the bombing of Cambodia. Both fabricated aspects of their Vietnam service.

    By far and away the most prolific book writing British Vietnam Veterans were those who volunteered to serve in the Australian Army. With the introduction of National Service and the expansion of the Royal Australian Regiment from three to nine Battalions in 1964 enormous manpower stresses were placed on the Regular Army. These cannot be understated. The ARA’s preference for expansion was to rely on the part time CMF and was virulently opposed to the reintroduction of NS. Large numbers of NCO’s and Junior Officers were required as a training cadre for National Servicemen who could then only make up 50% of sub unit able to be deployed on active service. The ARA lost that argument and Dick Downing won it. (A fascinating battle well worth a PhD thesis on its own) Subsequently the Army experienced a severe shortage of NCO’s and Junior Officers throughout every Corps. One of the solutions was to apply the same fix used to raise K-Force for Service in Korea. The Australian Army poached serving British officers and NCO’s directly from Australia House in London. These experienced British soldiers served Australia extremely well in Vietnam.

    The ‘fed up cannon fodder’ narrative completely falls apart when the fact that some of the most effective junior leaders in the Australian Army in Vietnam were Pommy volunteers. Just as Rescorla was a highly motivated volunteer for the US Army in Vietnam. As it turns out, some of these Pommy Volunteers wrote some of the best accounts of the Australian experience of the Vietnam War.

    In 1965 the Australian commitment was expanded when 1RAR was attached to the US 173rd Abn. The Executive Officer of 1RAR was John Essex Clarke a poached Pom who wrote ‘Maverick Soldier’. Essex Clarke’s work is neatly book ended by an account of the last Battalion to tour 4RAR by another poached Pom Jeremy Taylor with ‘Last Out: 4RAR/NZ (ANZAC) Battalion’s Second Tour in Vietnam.’ British/Australian Vietnam Veteran Gordon Pound is well worth a look with ‘What Soldiers do’ and Guy Bransby offers a New Zealand service perspective with ‘Her Majesty’s Vietnam Soldier.’

    The PhD student should be cautious before he fabricates erroneous motivations to professional soldiers again. For those looking for an insight into the actual motivation of soldiers like Rick Rescorla who were prepared to migrate to serve in a foreign Army engaged in the Vietnam war I recommend Essex-Clarke, Taylor, Pound and Bransby. I do not recommend Abraham because he is a fraud and a fabricator.

    Those ex-British forces members of 7RAR who voluntarily enlisted in the Australian Army in London who served on that Battalions second tour of Vietnam were:

    Staff Sergeant Thomas Henry Craig
    Sergeant Dennis Edmonds
    WO2 George Hill Grant
    Lance Corporal Eric Halkyard KIA
    2nd Lieutenant Chris Johnson
    Sergeant Gil Manson
    Corporal Graham Moon
    Captain Derek Napier
    Major Alistair Robb
    Sergeant Terry Slaney
    Major Chris Thompson
    Corporal Tom Walton

    The PhD student refuses to acknowledge the outstanding service these men from his own Battalion made to Australia because their very existence comprehensively contradicts his ‘fed up cannon fodder’ narrative.

    Invoking Rescorla to advance this feeble argument was both ignorant and grubby.

  158. Top Ender

    It was some expert the other day who pointed out that “going extinct” was perfectly normal for animal and plant continuation.

  159. Mark A

    Removing the migrant camps from the city of Paris.
    Have the French actually grown one or is it all a facade?

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Invoking Rescorla to advance this feeble argument was both ignorant and grubby.

    Welcome back, Hazmatic – I’m interested in your views as to whether any National Serviceman from 7RAR, under orders for the second tour, could “get himself paraded” to the R.S.M., one “Reg” Bandy – of who I have had heard – and state his objections to being deployed with the battalion.

  161. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Re. Mrs Bucket.
    Elizabeth, I think you are over analysing this.

    Analysing, rather than over-analyzing, I say in my defense. A sociological analysis, and sociological awareness even, of stratified social systems is always strangely foreign to those not used to thinking in these terms. They see the outcome rather than the causation, and tend to see any analysis of process as somehow being complicit in these arrangements, as being ‘snobby’ etc. This is ludicrous and should be called out whenever it happens.

    Of course insecure and snobbish people still exist in Australia as in any stratified system. More fools them, I say, when it comes down to the personal level.

    What I am interested in is how such a character becomes a figure of interest in a sit-com and especially am I interested in the particular nature of the class system that this individual is portrayed as living within. Overall, any analysis must recognize that a stratified social system with elements of social mobility (and these are endemic in human societies) is going to have these sorts of behaviours. Their expression though will vary in time and place.

  162. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mark A, please feel free by the way to respond to any comment I make. I’m always pleased to engage in discourse, provided I’m here to see it (can’t always guarantee that).

    Like now. I’m off to bed. 🙂

  163. Hazmatic

    Confident and informed speculation on my part Z2K. In my conversations with him we did not discuss the specific issue.

    With regard to speculation I was impressed by KD’s parable of ‘the little lawn mower that couldn’t.’

    I believe that I have found some primary sources that confirm at least some of his speculation. I refer to this excerpt from a little read tome called ‘Jellybeans in the jungle’.

    I have bolded the bits in these otherwise tedious tales that I believe add substance to KD’s conjecture.

    During this exercise, I was taken out of my rifle section and assigned to operate as platoon medic. This was because the Platoon Commander was not entirely sure what to do with me, as diggers with my attitude were always a problem and being kept closer to HQ meant that there was less potential for me to create problems. Also, he didn’t have to put up with a section commander incessantly moaning about me, and this was probably less stressful all round. It’s a bit like what I’ve frequently done as a teacher with problem students – you keep the problem under your nose to make it easier to manage.

    Also this from blog post dated Wednesday, 19 August 2009 titled Jungle Liturgy.

    Jungle Liturgy

    Infantry battalions were supported in country by a range of people and structures. One important element of this support was the padre. He rejoiced in a variety of nicknames, including “sky-pilot”, “god-botherer” or “bible-basher”, but these nicknames, like the attitude of most soldiers, were generally benign.

    There was a grudging respect on the part of most diggers for anyone who was prepared to share the privations and dangers that were central to the daily life of patrolling as an infantry soldier. I encountered a few padres during my service, and was generally impressed. I don’t know if there were any poor quality padres in Vietnam, but if there were, I didn’t come into contact with them. I guess anyone who wasn’t genuine would have been given short shrift by the diggers.

    We were fortunate as a unit to have a Father Keith Teefey as our padre, and he was well respected by most of us. I got to know him during April on our second battalion operation, when he traveled with B Company.

    During the operation I did a stint as LOB (which meant I was back in base for a week – a job that was rotated through the rifle sections) and I traveled with Keith Teefey back to Nui Dat on an APC. There wasn’t much opportunity for conversation on the APC – they’re much too noisy, but we moved on to a truck at FSB Anne, and I was able to talk to him then.

    He had worked in the Darling Downs and this gave us something in common, as I knew the area.

    He talked about some of the civil affairs work that he was involved in, and this raised my interest straight away, as it sounded preferable to tromping around the scrub in a rifle platoon. Most things sounded better than what I was doing at this time.

    Besides, I was a teacher, and would have given my eyeteeth to be working in Civil Aid, where my expertise was. I began to harbour thoughts that I would get myself – somehow – into civil affairs, and when I got back to the Dat, penned a letter to the CO requesting a transfer to a unit involved in this work. (It was this letter that was partly responsible for my posting to Q platoon later). The response to this was predictable. The company commander made a point of letting me know that he thought this was my way of escaping operational duty, by calling the letter “a load of bullshit”.

    He was right about me wanting to get out of a rifle platoon, but wrong in calling what I’d written “bullshit”. I really did have altruistic motives. Incidentally, my platoon commander was supportive. On reflection, it may have been simply that he wanted to get rid of me.

    Earlier in this operation, we had moved into FSB Anne after what seemed like months of patrolling. In reality, we had been “bush” for about five weeks. The best part of getting back behind the wire, in a slightly more secure situation, was enjoying a field shower, which removed several layers of sweat and filth, and made us feel human again. When you haven’t had a proper cleanup for five weeks, you become very appreciative of this kind of opportunity.

    We set up positions within the relative safety of the base, and began to clean our gear and deal with what the army called “personal administration”. This was code for getting all our paraphernalia back into best possible nick, trying to repair or replace lost or damaged items, and getting stuck into weapons maintenance.

    This last aspect was treated with almost religious fervour, because apart from the fact that we had been drilled since the first day of recruit training into looking after our weapons, we knew that in a real sense, our lives depended on weapon reliability. Generally, the SLR was reliable under the worst of field conditions, but the M-16 and M-60 were less so, not tolerating sand or grit. The belts for the M-60s had to be kept clean, or the result was a stoppage, possibly at a very inconvenient moment when the rest of the section was relying on the gun.

    There was also time for a different and more conventional variety of religious observance – that of a “church” service. Easter was coming up, but this was to be a simple communion service for all ranks. The place chosen was in the open to one side of the FSB. It was made clear that religious denomination wasn’t an issue and everyone was welcome.

    I went along, as did the bulk of the platoon, and was amazed to hear Keith Teefey announce at the beginning of the service, that communion would be taken, and everyone, irrespective of denomination, was welcome to join in, providing they did so in the right spirit. Quite a few of my non-Catholic mates did so, and whilst we didn’t discuss it (soldiers generally don’t comment on liturgical matters in the field), seemed to show due reverence in the situation.

    As a Catholic brought up in a fairly conservative tradition, I was impressed by what I regarded as a rational and ecumenical approach to pastoral care in the field. A letter to my parents, written that afternoon after the morning service, explained what I had seen. I knew my father would be interested, as he was something of an amateur theologian, and had a keen interest in liturgical reform, originating about the time of Vatican II.

    My dad told the Parish Priest in Texas at the time, and all hell broke loose.

    This priest, a very conservative Irishman, reported Keith Teefey to the Bishop of the Diocese, much to my father’s dismay, which began a long-running feud. (The bishop, who didn’t have any jurisdiction in this case, had enough common sense to ignore the report, but it made my father very angry.) This feud culminated in a denouncement of my family from the pulpit. This made dad even more upset, because the priest cast aspersions on one of my sisters who was obliquely accused of giving bad example, because she was enjoying a busy social life in Warwick. My father refused to have anything more to do with the priest.

    This was a local issue, as dad was principal of the state primary school, and had at this time two children (my youngest brother and sister) attending the convent school. Looking back, the situation was a good example of the power of ignorance.

    To some extent, it was also indicative of the attitude of some Australians to the conflict, an attitude born of ignorance. I remember thinking that the whole episode had elements of farce. I never told Keith Teefey about it. Later in my tour, in Admin Company, I had the chance to travel with Keith Teefey to the Baria orphanage, which had been adopted by our unit. I enjoyed the contact with the children immensely, some of whom had obviously been fathered by American servicemen. The conditions in the orphanage weren’t wonderful, as it was overcrowded and understaffed, but the kids seemed full of life, bright, and very pleased to see us.

    We would scrounge all sorts of useful items and give them to the staff, who were very grateful. The diggers were very generous, and would scout around for useful items if they knew they were going to a good cause. It was pretty clear to me that there was an enormous amount of goodwill between the average digger and the ordinary Vietnamese, and I’m sure that we would have spent our time much more profitably in South Vietnam if we had been engaged in civil affairs work, and left the fighting to the Yanks.

    There may have been a better long-term political outcome if we had done so. Mind you, one of the reasons for the relative security enjoyed in Phouc Tuy was the superior tactics and field craft exhibited by 1ATF. If the security had been managed by the Yanks, it would probably have been a very different story.

    There were a number of diggers who professed to despise the Vietnamese people, but I’m sure this developed out of fear, and was not a typical reaction. The major issue was always that of being unable to trust anyone, as there was no front line, and security was never guaranteed.

    Despite this, Phouc Tuy was more secure during my time in country (1970) than most other provinces, and this was certainly due to the superior tactics adopted by the Australian units, as it had been a VC stronghold. As far as I can see, we were light years ahead of the Yanks in this aspect of the conduct of the war.

    I was very pleased (and surprised) at the end of June to be posted to Q platoon, Admin Company. Some vacancies had occurred there as a result of Nashos completing their time in country, and I’d always been honest with my superiors about my discontent at my posting, so the recommendation was made, and my transfer came through. This meant that I would live behind the wire in a tent, and would not be spending the rest of my tour (about six months) tromping through the jungle. I had made some great mates in B Company, and felt some guilt at moving into the relative safety of Admin Company, but in the end was relieved at the less dangerous posting. It sat well with my major goal of getting home in one piece.

    As it turned out, in short order I was posted out to the Horseshoe to run the Q unit out there, so I didn’t stay in the Dat for long. When the QM discovered I was a teacher in civvie street, and could operate a 16mm projector, I also took over showing late run films to the diggers.

    I got to see a lot of movies.

  164. RobK

    Overall, any analysis must recognize that a stratified social system with elements of social mobility (and these are endemic in human societies) is going to have these sorts of behaviours.
    I think Mrs Bucket was a class of her own. A psychological study perhaps not so much a class study.

  165. Hazmatic

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3207027, posted on November 10, 2019 at 12:14 am
    Invoking Rescorla to advance this feeble argument was both ignorant and grubby.

    Welcome back, Hazmatic – I’m interested in your views as to whether any National Serviceman from 7RAR, under orders for the second tour, could “get himself paraded” to the R.S.M., one “Reg” Bandy – of who I have had heard – and state his objections to being deployed with the battalion.

    I’ll try again. This time in three parts because the lengthy original seems to have been eaten by the system.

    “Getting paraded” is confident and informed speculation on my part. In my conversations with him we did not address that specific issue.

    Regarding speculation, I was impressed by KD’s parable of ‘the little lawnmower that couldn’t’ and will address that in the second and third part.

  166. Hazmatic

    I believe that I have some primary sources that confirm at least some of the speculation in KD’s parable of ‘the little lawn mower that couldn’t.’. I refer to this excerpt from a little read tome called ‘Jellybeans in the jungle’.

    I have bolded the bits in these otherwise tedious tales that I believe add substance to KD’s conjecture.

    During this exercise, I was taken out of my rifle section and assigned to operate as platoon medic. This was because the Platoon Commander was not entirely sure what to do with me, as diggers with my attitude were always a problem and being kept closer to HQ meant that there was less potential for me to create problems. Also, he didn’t have to put up with a section commander incessantly moaning about me, and this was probably less stressful all round. It’s a bit like what I’ve frequently done as a teacher with problem students – you keep the problem under your nose to make it easier to manage.

  167. Top Ender

    Hazmatic, impressed by your writing.

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps Mark A – I studied anthropology and some associated disciplines when they were solid academic subjects worth studying at Sydney University, at honours under-grad and PhD post-grad level. Taught in them too at major universities including USyd. Then I moved into the medical science area of post-grad epidemiology, as I’d always had an interest in medicine, enrolled in it first when I gained my Commonwealth Scholarship, but changed tack after going four weeks into it when I realized it wouldn’t give me what I wanted from university at that time in 1964 – an ability to analyse and comprehend what had happened to me prior to deciding to get educated. That societal analytic bent is always there now. Forgive me if it emerges strongly sometimes.

    I will try to be more stupid. 🙂

  169. Hazmatic

    Also this from blog post dated Wednesday, 19 August 2009 titled Jungle Liturgy.

    Jungle Liturgy

    Infantry battalions were supported in country by a range of people and structures. One important element of this support was the padre. He rejoiced in a variety of nicknames, including “sky-pilot”, “god-botherer” or “bible-basher”, but these nicknames, like the attitude of most soldiers, were generally benign.

    There was a grudging respect on the part of most diggers for anyone who was prepared to share the privations and dangers that were central to the daily life of patrolling as an infantry soldier. I encountered a few padres during my service, and was generally impressed. I don’t know if there were any poor quality padres in Vietnam, but if there were, I didn’t come into contact with them. I guess anyone who wasn’t genuine would have been given short shrift by the diggers.

    We were fortunate as a unit to have a Father Keith Teefey as our padre, and he was well respected by most of us. I got to know him during April on our second battalion operation, when he traveled with B Company.

    During the operation I did a stint as LOB (which meant I was back in base for a week – a job that was rotated through the rifle sections) and I traveled with Keith Teefey back to Nui Dat on an APC. There wasn’t much opportunity for conversation on the APC – they’re much too noisy, but we moved on to a truck at FSB Anne, and I was able to talk to him then.

    He had worked in the Darling Downs and this gave us something in common, as I knew the area.

    He talked about some of the civil affairs work that he was involved in, and this raised my interest straight away, as it sounded preferable to tromping around the scrub in a rifle platoon. Most things sounded better than what I was doing at this time.

    Besides, I was a teacher, and would have given my eyeteeth to be working in Civil Aid, where my expertise was. I began to harbour thoughts that I would get myself – somehow – into civil affairs, and when I got back to the Dat, penned a letter to the CO requesting a transfer to a unit involved in this work. (It was this letter that was partly responsible for my posting to Q platoon later). The response to this was predictable. The company commander made a point of letting me know that he thought this was my way of escaping operational duty, by calling the letter “a load of bullshit”.

    He was right about me wanting to get out of a rifle platoon, but wrong in calling what I’d written “bullshit”. I really did have altruistic motives. Incidentally, my platoon commander was supportive. On reflection, it may have been simply that he wanted to get rid of me.

    …Despite this, Phouc Tuy was more secure during my time in country (1970) than most other provinces, and this was certainly due to the superior tactics adopted by the Australian units, as it had been a VC stronghold. As far as I can see, we were light years ahead of the Yanks in this aspect of the conduct of the war.

    I was very pleased (and surprised) at the end of June to be posted to Q platoon, Admin Company. Some vacancies had occurred there as a result of Nashos completing their time in country, and I’d always been honest with my superiors about my discontent at my posting, so the recommendation was made, and my transfer came through. This meant that I would live behind the wire in a tent, and would not be spending the rest of my tour (about six months) tromping through the jungle. I had made some great mates in B Company, and felt some guilt at moving into the relative safety of Admin Company, but in the end was relieved at the less dangerous posting. It sat well with my major goal of getting home in one piece.

    As it turned out, in short order I was posted out to the Horseshoe to run the Q unit out there, so I didn’t stay in the Dat for long. When the QM discovered I was a teacher in civvie street, and could operate a 16mm projector, I also took over showing late run films to the diggers.

    I got to see a lot of movies.

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A psychological study perhaps not so much a class study.

    The intersection of these two aspects is indeed intriguing, RobK.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I refer to this excerpt from a little read tome called ‘Jellybeans in the jungle’.

    “Jellybeans in the Jungle” would be about the only book, concerning the Australian involvement in Viet Nam, that I’ve never bothered to read. It seems that the author fell for the North Vietnamese propaganda line.

  172. areff

    Glad you enjoyed the Bucket backgrounder, Lizzie. What an interesting life the writer has had.

    Another class-related Brit comedy, as seen when Albert Steptoe is in his hip bath, eating pickled onions, fishing the ones he dropped out of the water and returning them to the jar.

    “Ewww, you dirty old man.”

    Poor Harold also has pretensions to rise above his station, but nasty old Albert never lets him get away.

  173. Hazmatic

    I’ll try one more time.

    the little lawn mower that couldn’t

    from blog post date Wednesday, 19 August 2009 titled Jungle Liturgy.

    During the operation I did a stint as LOB (which meant I was back in base for a week – a job that was rotated through the rifle sections) and I traveled with Keith Teefey back to Nui Dat on an APC. There wasn’t much opportunity for conversation on the APC – they’re much too noisy, but we moved on to a truck at FSB Anne, and I was able to talk to him then.

    He had worked in the Darling Downs and this gave us something in common, as I knew the area.

    He talked about some of the civil affairs work that he was involved in, and this raised my interest straight away, as it sounded preferable to tromping around the scrub in a rifle platoon. Most things sounded better than what I was doing at this time.

    Besides, I was a teacher, and would have given my eyeteeth to be working in Civil Aid, where my expertise was. I began to harbour thoughts that I would get myself – somehow – into civil affairs, and when I got back to the Dat, penned a letter to the CO requesting a transfer to a unit involved in this work. (It was this letter that was partly responsible for my posting to Q platoon later). The response to this was predictable. The company commander made a point of letting me know that he thought this was my way of escaping operational duty, by calling the letter “a load of bullshit”.

    He was right about me wanting to get out of a rifle platoon, but wrong in calling what I’d written “bullshit”. I really did have altruistic motives. Incidentally, my platoon commander was supportive. On reflection, it may have been simply that he wanted to get rid of me.

    I was very pleased (and surprised) at the end of June to be posted to Q platoon, Admin Company. Some vacancies had occurred there as a result of Nashos completing their time in country, and I’d always been honest with my superiors about my discontent at my posting, so the recommendation was made, and my transfer came through. This meant that I would live behind the wire in a tent, and would not be spending the rest of my tour (about six months) tromping through the jungle. I had made some great mates in B Company, and felt some guilt at moving into the relative safety of Admin Company, but in the end was relieved at the less dangerous posting. It sat well with my major goal of getting home in one piece.

    As it turned out, in short order I was posted out to the Horseshoe to run the Q unit out there, so I didn’t stay in the Dat for long. When the QM discovered I was a teacher in civvie street, and could operate a 16mm projector, I also took over showing late run films to the diggers.

    I got to see a lot of movies.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Besides, I was a teacher, and would have given my eyeteeth to be working in Civil Aid, where my expertise was. I began to harbour thoughts that I would get myself – somehow – into civil affairs

    Can I get this straight? “Civil aid” and “civil affairs” became “running the “Q” unit at the “Horseshoe”, and showing films?

  175. Steve trickler

    Good fun posting this again.

    😎



  176. Lazlo

    Steptoe was just a warm-up to Till Death Do Us Part. Silly old moo..

  177. Lazlo

    Just watching a TDUDP rerun on YouTube. Wonderful stuff. Alf raving about the BBC and the moo (Dandy Nichols) saying it should be subscription. Ahead of the curve, in 1965..

  178. Ellie

    Nick – you can come out of the naughty corner now. Calli has chastised you with her old women pic.

    I will now spank you.

    Oops! Too late or too early for Mistress?

    Too late, it appears. Everyone has gone to bed.

  179. Ellie

    Just wanted to say – #IsupportAndrewCooper

  180. Cold-Hands

    Senator Chuck Grassley refers Kavanaugh Accuser to FBI for Prosecution. Not Blasey-Ford but some loon who has admitted lying to the Senate. It’s a start.

  181. Ellie

    I’m awake with cold hands.

  182. Steve trickler

    Ellie, i reckon you’d go good at singing this.😁



    Cheerio.

  183. areff

    Lazlo; The Atdennes looks oddl6y like Spajn

  184. Ellie

    I’m trying to find the song with the submissive guy sitting on a chair with a shade of lippy.

  185. Ellie

    Oops! It’s not Mardi Gras time.

  186. JC

    Areff

    Have you ever been to Cobble Hill, Crooklyn. It’s beautiful. The brownstones are magnificent. I want to move there but I won’t. Wow, when we lived here Manhattan was the center of the universe and nothing else existed. Never knew these places were around just over the bridge or tunnel 🙂

  187. Ellie

    JC – what happened to your gravatar?

  188. Ellie

    You usually look like da man – Trump on a tractor.

  189. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You’re up unusually late, or early, Elle.

  190. JC

    Ellie

    No idea. You mean the trump/bus pic? I use wifey’s computer when I’m away sometimes, so it could disappear because of that.

  191. JC

    Oh yea, it’s that, because I’m on my ipad now and shows up.

  192. Ellie

    JC – let’s talk about cryptocurrency. Keep it clean though. A digital asset? I get it. A medium of exchange that secures financial transactions. But can it control the creation of units and verify the transfer of assets?

    Noice assets, by the way.

  193. Ellie

    MV – I’m still getting over the fact you’re only 68 kilos! I bench press you at the gym!

  194. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Sounds even more promising than the Naughty Corner.

  195. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Whatever turns you on, Elle.
    Though I’ve never heard of “bench press” before.
    Is that like #23 in the Kama Sutra?

  196. Ellie

    Nick came out of the naughty corner. He is now tied up at the edge of my bed with nipple clamps on.

  197. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Lucky bastard.

  198. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thanks Tom.

  199. Ellie

    MV – The bench press is an exercise for developing upper body strength. You work your pectorals and triceps.

  200. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    So I’m on top?

  201. JC

    Ellie

    Look, I’m from another generation and don’t understand the attraction of cryptos. I’m also unwilling to understand them as I can’t be bothered. I believe cryptos are too unstable to be used as medium of exchange. Unstable in the sense they move up and down materially.

    I think the disruption will come from the block chain over time as it will have a great deal of applications – especially in third world countries.

    The other thing to consider is government. The US government essentially destroyed what we at one time believed could never be. The US government destroyed the tax havens and then interestingly set itself up as the world’s tax haven. If you’re not a drug dealer, terrorist etc, you can put your money in the US and they will not report this to foreign governments. It’s one of the biggest arsehole things the US has ever done.
    That aside, if crypto appear to be damaging the US dollar in some way, the US and other governments will destroy it by making it illegal.

    Something may raise up eventually and take out currencies, but we’re possibly 100 years away from seeing that.

    I thought what the US and other governments like Australia have done was a way of taking cryptos out of the game. The tax authorities now treat them as an asset and holders need to disclose cap gains etc.

  202. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Don’t be like that. I’m here to learn.

    Nick’s on the floor, and JC He Who Must Not Be Named is around somewhere.
    I’ve never been in a foursome before.

  203. Ellie

    Time for spanks … then bed.

    Oh, and by the way, #IsupportAndrewCooper … and not just cause he’s cute.

  204. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Probably best you stay up. Steve’s just done a “Big Boy” post.
    I reckon he’s trying to send you a coded message.

  205. Ellie

    The moral police will be here soon, MV … after they’ve been to church. I’m on top though – I have their handcuffs!

  206. Ellie

    That’s a lot of steam, Steve!

  207. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Too late Elle.
    The Bogan will be silently lurking somewhere, just so he can spend all day complaining.
    Some people must have miserable lives.

    Now tell me more about your nipple clamps.

  208. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The kookaburras are heralding a new day.
    Time to greet the coming dawn.

  209. vr

    News you can use: WSJ paywall is down for three days.

  210. Proof readers please or grammar police required.

    The AU headline : “Behind the war of the Burgesses”

    The surname is Burgess, it just doesn’t seem right to me.
    If its was the “Burgess’ dog”, it would be pronounced Burgesses, but written as shown.
    So Shirley it should be Behind the war of the Burgess’.
    Educate me please.

  211. 2dogs

    Time to greet the coming dawn.

    There’s something in that to offend everybody. Well done.

  212. 1735099

    Grateful thanks to Hazmatic for his review of my book.
    Digital copies (second addition) are available now.
    Just google “Jellybeans in the Jungle”.
    This otherwise irrelevant little blog has always been a great marketing tool for quite a few years now, and the digital version makes it accessible in the US where it sells well. My promotional trip there last year is paying off, and the air fare was a tax deduction.
    Cheers….and thanks again.

  213. Iampeter

    One of the blokes banned from Australia.

    What you think people should be able to just freely travel between countries?
    Damn atheist open border advocates.

  214. bespoke

    Worked with lots of ‘Mrs Bucket’s’ all stuck in mid management and obsessed with titles. You could the envy and confusion when me and my family was to the birthday/Christmas party’s . And when “The Boss” (there words) shouted me drinks I knew I would spend the next shift on a shovel. Still worth it though I dislike pretentious insecure grovelers and they also tended to be ones that created tension between management and workers. A lot of union reps are the same playing both sides.

  215. Ellie

    MV – you fell asleep on me!

  216. Ellie

    Libertarians are for open borders, aren’t they?

  217. 1735099

    I see Hazmatic features in WIP.

    The sniper analogy is fair.
    He/she hides In safety anonymously, takes sneaky potshots from cover, but lacks the moxie to front up.
    Very apt….

  218. bespoke

    calli
    #3206819, posted on November 9, 2019 at 7:01 pm
    I’m Daisy. 😁

    I’v taken to calling the wife Ms Daisy due to she isn’t allowed to drive yet and a little out there. I will stop when things improve. 😁

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