Open Forum: November 9, 2019

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  1. bespoke

    Libertarians are for open borders, aren’t they?

    Not all

  2. Ellie

    Warning – Contains bad language.
    Link

  3. bespoke

    The internet is full of many different views including safe spaces to play out fantasies without judgment.

  4. Hazmatic

    1735099
    #3207116, posted on November 10, 2019 at 7:41 am
    I see Hazmatic features in WIP.

    The sniper analogy is fair.
    He/she hides In safety anonymously, takes sneaky potshots from cover, but lacks the moxie to front up.
    Very apt….

    Hmmm. Moxie…

    I’ve stated that you are a literary fraud, an academic fraud and a shabby polemicist too ready to use the deaths of Australian Servicemen to make grubby political points.

    Which part of that do you wish to dispute?

    It has been well demonstrated that your knowledge of military history in general, the Vietnam War in particular and your subject of special interest conscription are all shallow, hopelessly partisan and profoundly ignorant.

    Which part of that do you wish to dispute?

    I have suggested that you have numeracy skills equivalent to primary school level and research skills that would result in an undergraduate fail.

    There is no need to dispute this. It is blindingly obvious from your postings here.

    Your attempts to portray your experience of National Service in Vietnam as representative of all Nashos is wilfully vexatious and false.

    That is beyond dispute and has been amply demonstrated here – #3199507, posted on November 2, 2019 at 12:05 am
    The other Nasho Teacher from Toowoomba…

    Your numerous errors of fact go far beyond any consideration of faulty recall and should be rightly regarded as the systematic lies associated with sociopathy.

    Have I missed anything?

  5. P

    From the thread He won’t be intimidated by this 77 year-old grandmother

    Infidel Tiger #3207003, posted on November 9, 2019 at 11:03 pm

    Mrs Court’s church clothes and feeds thousands of people every year.

    Evil bitch.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Must point out though that there are many varieties of 77 year old grandmothers these days. Ita Buttrose is one, Germaine Greer is another, and Helen Mirren is doing quite a good job heading towards seventy-seven currently playing Catherine the Great as a 37 year old. There are many others too in the world of art and letters who are still going strong at seventy seven. As there are in the real lives of everyday people, where I guess I am another of that age, in my small way also refusing to fade away.

    Margaret Court is admirable; her beauty is not skin deep, it shines in the compassion of her work for her Church and in the lived experience written in her face. Age does not weary her, nor should it. She should be feted for her achievements not denigrated for her religious beliefs.

  7. Old School Conservative

    From The Oz:
    Homeowner Mirek…. credited a smaller blaze about a month ago with saving his property because it reduced the amount of vegetation surrounding his house.
    I wonder if the eventual investigation into the recent deaths will take this solution any further, or will we be swamped with more lefty lunacy.

  8. Entropy

    Is Greer a grandma? You need to have children for that?

  9. Tom

    Thank you, Hazmatic. Your efforts to unmask the sociopathic lies of the troll are appreciated and have been recorded.

  10. Sinclair Davidson

    Tom – Steve is not an Austrian school economist. He is classical school.

  11. Entropy

    In fact, does Buttrose and Mirren have any either?

  12. Tom

    For Cats (like me), today’s edition of Sky Outsiders has been moved to 7pm to make way for Sky’s NSW bushfire coverage.

  13. Cardimona

    For Cats (like me), today’s edition of Sky Outsiders has been moved to 7pm to make way for Sky’s NSW bushfire coverage.

    Thanks, Tom: I was starting to freak out….

  14. Tom

    Tom – Steve is not an Austrian school economist. He is classical school.

    Thank you, Doomlord, and duly noted. I am just a humble student of lived economics.

  15. Cardimona

    I wrote to the AG’s department yesterday….

    https://www.ag.gov.au/About/Pages/Contactus.aspx

    The Cairns Post newspaper has a “most influential local identity” poll here – https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/vote-now-who-is-the-far-norths-most-influential-person/news-story/0e25e61a2203a4ab92e2e785c8ebc6a9

    On that list is Geoff Holland, who had a letter to the editor in the Cairns Post on Saturday, November 9th signed “Geoff Holland, convenor, Extinction Rebellion Cairns”.

    Extinction Rebellion is an international enviro-socialist organisation dedicated to overthrowing all capitalist democracies, including ours.

    Capitalist democracies do less environmental harm than any other type of government, and it’s the only model to ever free people from slavery and poverty.

    Extinction Rebellion is a hostile foreign force and its operatives in Australia have achieved “influencer” status – according to a regional daily newspaper.

    My question; has the Attorney General’s department listed Geoff Holland as an “agent of foreign influence” and if not, will it please do so?

    This was the numpty’s letter…

    Declare an emergency
    THIS week over 11,000 of the world’s scientists declared a climate emergency.
    In Australia, 70 councils have declared a climate emergency including Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Hobart, Darwin, Hobart, Newcastle, Wollongong as well as the ACT. These jurisdictions represent over 6.6 million Australians.
    Meanwhile the Cairns Regional Council (CRC) “Shared Vision 2050” report makes virtually no mention of climate change let alone the climate emergency we are in, yet I suggest it is the defining point of reference for economic and social planning in FNQ for the coming decades, (more than, say, the expansion of China, or emerging technologies etc). We are not talking about the odd heatwave, but rather, the very real possibility of major global ecological, economic and social collapse.
    Mayor Bob Manning says he is not willing to declare a climate emergency because “it would only be symbolic”. Yes it definitely is symbolic – like Anzac Day and Australia Day – and yes, it must be backed up by action. Why not declare a climate emergency?
    Geoff Holland, convenor, Extinction Rebellion Cairns

  16. Nick

    The Left are a strange lot. Go on Q and A and advocate violence against men and it’s no big deal. Question whether two people of the same sex can marry, and you are shunned for ‘hurting people’.

  17. JMH

    For Cats (like me), today’s edition of Sky Outsiders has been moved to 7pm to make way for Sky’s NSW bushfire coverage.

    Thank you, Tom. I had just done a bit of search to see if they had pulled this morning’s edition because of the fires.

  18. Cardimona

    Seven papers rejected this one, but the NT News ran it yesterday…

    The Editor

    11,258 “scientists” (including fictional characters) from 153 countries now claim there’s “too many humans” on Earth, thus gifting themselves the perfect opportunity to lead by example.

    Expect them to take a principled stance and make the supreme sacrifice for their fellow Earthians by voluntarily euthanising themselves “for the planet”.

    Such a fine example will surely have the guilty consumerists rushing to follow. So c’mon on, climateers; lead on – or shut up and never speak again.

    (76 words)

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3207144, posted on November 10, 2019 at 9:00 am

    Tom – Steve is not an Austrian school economist. He is classical school.

    That sort of talk has no place on this blog.
    Take it off-line.

  20. P

    Both Germaine Greer (80) and Helen Mirren (74) are childless.

    The Free Dictionary: Grandmother – a familiar term of address for an old woman.

    I would not refer to a woman who has never been a mother as ‘grandmother’.

    Ita has two children, and IIRC from my days of reading the Women’s Weekly, a boy and a girl – Ben and Kate.

  21. Johno

    As regards Crypto currency. My thoughts are that it will be a short term fad. In the last year Bitcoin has moved between USD 3000 and USD 12000. It will fall a thousand dollars in a day. Imagine trying to complete a transaction with that volatility.

    A currency reflects the markets evaluation of a countrys worth. Bitcoin reflects what exactly? It exists in a digital world,there is no physical holding. It has been hacked a couple of times already and with the rise of the new super computers it will be hacked again and again.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is Greer a grandma? Sadly for her, she is not. She says she wanted a child, but was never able, for whatever reason, to have one. She is still a woman who, however imperfectly and wrongly at times, has stood up for women, and for women as they age. She even got married once, for the experience (always up for it), at a time when people like me, marrying with seriousness within the toxic ‘marriage is prostitution’ culture of the left and ignoring ZPG with our babies, were denigrated for it. She is of my era and I remember her well from 1964 and 1965 at Sydney University holding forth in the Union Foyer, where we all went for coffee to reprise Hemingway’s Paris on City Road. She has come out strongly against the ‘trans’ hypocrisy of pretending to be the same as born xx chromosome women. She can be an honorary grandma, in my book. I’ll lend her one of mine for the look of it if she ever requires that. 🙂

  23. Peter, formerly known as MemoryvaultNo Elle,

    No Elle,
    I would never fall asleep on you.
    Collapse from exhaustion maybe, but sleep, never.
    I was outside with a coffee and the cat, watching the world wake up.

    And no, Libertarians don’t believe in open borders.
    That’s Friedmanarians.
    But most Cats don’t know the difference.

  24. Peter, formerly known as MemoryvaultNo Elle,

    No Elle,
    I would never fall asleep on you.
    Collapse from exhaustion maybe, but sleep, never.
    I was outside with a coffee and the cat, watching the world wake up.

  25. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    No Elle,
    I would never fall asleep on you.
    Collapse from exhaustion maybe, but sleep, never.
    I was outside with a coffee and the cat, watching the world wake up.

    And no, Libertarians don’t believe in open borders.
    That’s Friedmanarians.
    But most Cats don’t know the difference.

  26. Entropy

    I’d go as far as “Aunty”

  27. Ellie

    I think you’re amazing for your age, Lizzie – in looks and brains. You’re older than my mum. She would have been 75 last month. She was a stunning woman. I have a picture of her posing when she lost her hair due to the chemo. We were told she had at least a couple of years. She went within nine months. I didn’t make it to her bedside in time to say goodbye. Her ashes still sit in a box, mixed with the ashes of her last two cats, whose names were Harry and Lizzie, by the way.

    My stepfather can’t part with mum’s ashes. There was no funeral. Weird how we all cope with grief. Mum was the glue in the family. With her gone it forced my brothers, stepfather and me to make more of an effort. We’re all very close. We laugh a lot and have many funny ‘mother’ (as she was affectionately called) stories. Mum was a real snob. I once took her to a Westfield here in Sydney. We had a coffee there. She took one sip and screwed her nose up and in her cultured, snobby voice said “mall coffee”. Never took her to a mall again.

  28. struth

    Good Moaning.
    yep, Outsiders pulled in QLD as well, must be due to fires, although firstly my cynicism caused me to think of other reasons at first.
    Thanks Tom.
    Oh well, lots of Gardening to get done before the day gets hotter, although it seems to be a lovely day that’s not going to get too hot.
    May have another coffee first.
    Was going to have a BBQ tonight but the government has told me I can’t, even though weather is not real hot here at all.

  29. bespoke

    I would not refer to a woman who has never been a mother as ‘grandmother’.

    Yes but makes good for ‘Poetic license’ excuse. History doe’s not need such BS Its interesting with out it.

  30. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Steve is not an Austrian school economist. He is classical school.

    Economists are still in school?
    That explains a lot.

  31. Nick

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3207159, posted on November 10, 2019 at 9:14 am
    She is of my era and I remember her well from 1964 and 1965 at Sydney University holding forth in the Union Foyer, where we all went for coffee to reprise Hemingway’s Paris on City Road.

    Really?

    Germaine Greer (/ɡrɪər/; born 29 January 1939) is an Australian writer and public intellectual, regarded as one of the major voices of the second-wave feminist movement in the latter half of the 20th century.[1] Specializing in English and women’s literature, she has held academic positions in England at the University of Warwick and Newnham College, Cambridge, and in the United States at the University of Tulsa. Based in England since 1964, she has divided her time since the 1990s between Australia and her home in Essex.[2]

  32. struth

    Cardimona, you do very well.
    Vanguard are coming to Australia to set up a super fund.

  33. Cardimona

    The media and spokespeople conflating temperature and fire risk grind my gears.

    It is fuel load, fuel moisture content, and atmospheric water vapour that determine fire risk.
    In the Wet Tropics it can be very hot for days on end with no raised fire risk – due to the moisture.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think Helen Mirren might be in Greer’s boat too with regard to grandma status. Helen, who currently plays the 37 year old Catherine the Great in TV’s latest historical extravaganza. She’s looking good, much better than Greer, but then, actresses are like that. In praise of older women, says Hairy, hauling me in for a hug, saying I would give Mirren a run for her money. Very nice of him, I’m sure, but I think others may place their bets on Helen. She’s slimmer, for a start. 🙂

  35. Cardimona

    Cheers, Struth.
    I come here for inspiration.
    You can see the bits I pinch from the Cat in most of my letters.

  36. herodotus

    Outsiders moved to make way for bushfire coverage.
    And has the bushfire coverage been moved to make way for Sport, Sport, Sport?

  37. struth

    Exactly Cardimona.
    We’ve had rain here, recently, and it’s not real dry, not real hot, and just a slight cooling breeze.
    The A/C is off, the airflow cooling through my old Queenslander, just perfect, yet tonight I am told by authoritarian blanket banning government, no weber tonight, slave.

  38. EvilElvis

    Can we have the WA Cats sound off please, just for safety.

    Just be nice to read the scrawl of people who survived yesterday’s veritable firestorm and know you’re ok.

    What’s happening on the east coast?

  39. Ellie

    Gerard Henderson – the lone conservative voice on the couch on Insiders.

    His Media Watch Dog – a must read

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, she did leave for England. I thought it was early 1965, but perhaps it was in 1964. I wasn’t close to her and didn’t keep absolute tabs on her comings and goings. I said I had some uncertainty about the dates when I mentioned on the Cat recently her presence in the Syd Uni Union Foyer in those early days of my studies there, when one day she came in rabbeting on about Rabelais and bawdiness. I know that she wrote to a friend of mine, a fellow anthropology student, who was one of her female protegees, saying that she was working on a new book with the title of “The Female Eunuch”. We all thought it was a dreadful title and a terrible thing to say about women.

  41. min

    What will the ABC say about the devastating fires now the Commander said on the Insiders that undergrowth had been a major cause?

  42. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What’s happening on the east coast?

    It’s hot and dry. And cold and wet. And windy in places.
    It’s called “weather” and we’ve been getting quite a bit of it recently.

  43. RobK

    It is fuel load, fuel moisture content, and atmospheric water vapour that determine fire risk.
    Wind speed is the other factor in determining fire hazard rating. Just saying.

  44. 1735099

    Which part of that do you wish to dispute?

    All of it.
    I tell the truth. I don’t speak for other Nashos – only for myself.
    Honesty is never acceptable to those who seek to rationalise military and political failure.
    Detecting and exposing bullshit is a rewarding and fulfilling activity.
    It doesn’t bring back the dead – but at least it pays them the respect they deserve.
    Dispute this –
    Our commitment to Vietnam betrayed our military in the pursuit of grubby political goals.
    The 500 or so who died were disgracefully used, and the blood and treasure expended was a bitter and tragic waste.
    Thousands of veterans continue to pay the price, as do their families and offspring.
    And you, you anonymous fraud, seek to dress this shameful episode in Anzackery.
    You are a disgrace to your generation and this country.

  45. Nick

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3207159, posted on November 10, 2019 at 9:14 am
    She is of my era and I remember her well from 1964 and 1965 at Sydney University holding forth in the Union Foyer, where we all went for coffee to reprise Hemingway’s Paris on City Road.

  46. Ellie

    Nick – are you behaving? 🤔

  47. MatrixTransform

    still throwing like a girl Numpty.

  48. notafan

    14c in Melbournograd ATM
    We’ve had rain and hail the last couple of days.

    Heaters on.

    As often required in November here.

  49. Nick

    Mostly.
    Sorry Ellie. It’s the insertion of boastful lies into ANY topic, from any poster, that gets me gander up.

  50. mh

    RamBob, you have been destroyed on this blog.

    Collect your jellybeans and go.

  51. Ellie

    It’s hot and dry. And cold and wet. And windy in places.
    It’s called “weather” and we’ve been getting quite a bit of it recently.

    But enough about last night.

    Isn’t called ‘seasons’ – you know – spring, autumn, winter and summer. The weather changes with the seasons.

    I feel a song coming on.

  52. bespoke

    The ‘supervisor’ must but on holidays again or got sick of it.

  53. Roger

    Advocacy journalism on display with a piece on NZers denied welfare in Australia, becoming homeless and condemning Australia for its heartlessness. Reform needed! Not mentioned is that they could get a free flight home tomorrow courtesy the NZ embassy.

  54. 132andBush

    A Communist who declares “The Gulag Archipelago” a work of fiction and has lived in a free Western Capitalist country all his life while obviously working to subvert the ideals of said society?

    Now that’s a disgrace to a generation and country.

  55. Nick

    Advocacy journalism on display with a piece on NZers denied welfare in Australia, becoming homeless and condemning Australia for its heartlessness. Reform needed! Not mentioned is that they could get a free flight home tomorrow courtesy the NZ embassy.

    Isn’t NZ a veritable paradise, anyway ? Why would they ever leave ?

  56. Tom

    I tell the truth.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    The old commo troll wouldn’t know what truth was if it jumped up and bit him on the left ball.

  57. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    that gets me gander up.

    Careful Nick.
    Elle’s got a large, cold spoon to deal with erect ganders.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Do you recall 1964 Nick, or 1965? Exact memories of past events are rare unless there is a strong focus on the situation. Greer was just another rather scary woman in the foyer to me at that time. I hope it wasn’t even earlier, 1963 maybe, because my friends and I from the ‘tech’ at that time used to venture sometimes up to the foyer as well as hanging out at the back room in the Royal George Hotel in town, where remnants of the old Push still lingered and at another pub whose name I forget. May have been The Newcastle. Or not.

    You are very quick to jump, are you not? Why would I be making up the fact that I was around Sydney University in overlap with Greer having some presence there (I don’t know what – as a visitor, part-time teaching maybe?). Clive James, who went to the same selective boys high school as my first husband the brilliant Lefty Philosopher, was still well-recalled there, as he had only fairly recently ‘left for England’, which was what was done in those days. I even saved for a trip there myself in my early teens, so much had the idea of England filtered into my consciousness as a way out of Mt. Druitt and that world (helped along by the fact that I spent 18 months at school there in the early 50’s with my sane working class grandparents), but I ended up giving most of my savings to my mother, as I headed off interstate at seventeen to remake my fortune.

  59. JC

    Johno

    Cyrpto could take on a life as long as people regarded it as a medium of exchange. However, we’re nowhere near that, the big states would fuck it over and it’s much too volatile.

    As regards the threat seen by the state. In my mind, the biggest missile lobbed by the state against cyrpto is by treating it as an asset thereby imposing cap gains on holding this potential form of currency. You have to hand it to them though. They are geniuses in protecting state turf.

  60. Roger

    Day 6 & the offending Q&A episode is still online at ABC despite Ita’s diktat.

    Hands up: Who thinks the Board can reform, let alone oversee, the ABC…?

  61. Ellie

    Why would they ever leave ?

    I left to go backpacking around Australia (when Ivan Milat was “active” mind you – he mustn’t have had a taste for kiwis) – fell in love with a big, burly Detective Sgt who corrupted this naive kiwi. I ended up staying, became an Australian citizen and kept the handcuffs after the divorce to the said Detective Sgt.

  62. Farmer Gez

    Insiders talking about the release of Adelaide desal water to grow fodder.
    Arguing about water when the on ground fact is that SE NSW, SA and Victoria will produce plenty for the period between now and a seasonal break in April or the monsoon kicks in and wets up Nth NSW and Queensland.
    It’s only a six or seven month period if all goes well. The price of hay has dropped $200 per tonne due to supply. It’s hard to imagine that irrigators would use the water to grow fodder and produce high cost hay to compete with on ground rain fed product.

  63. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Hands up: Who thinks the Board can reform, let alone oversee, the ABC…?

    Why on earth would they want to change it?
    From their point of view it’s functioning perfectly.

  64. Roger

    It’s hard to imagine that irrigators would use the water to grow fodder and produce high cost hay to compete with on ground rain fed product.

    You’re suggesting the government has made a costly mistake, Farmer Gez? /

  65. Nick

    Careful Nick.
    Elle’s got a large, cold spoon to deal with erect ganders.

    I’m guessing there’s far worse in store

  66. 132andBush

    Gez,
    What are you being quoted /t in your neck of the woods?

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The usual idiom is ‘dander up’, Nick.

    “To get your dander up” calls to mind the hair that stands up on the nape of an enraged dog’s neck. Another meaning of the word is the ferment used in making molasses; getting your dander up in that context suggests that your anger is rising the way yeast or any other leavening or fermenting agent does.

    Memories and reflections are not necessarily ‘boastful’ either. They are the stuff of life itself. ‘Boastful’ as used by you and Johanna with regard to anything that I say or do and record here is a much over-used word, in your hands sliding into meaninglessness. You should both look to some of your own comments in your own lights about ‘boastfulness’, imho. But in general, what a nonsensical way to view opinions, experiences and ideas expressed on the Cat by the wide variety of people who come who come here.

    You are such a silly and tiny-minded little man, nor really worth bothering about except to correct some of your more egregious errors.

  68. Farmer Gez

    Yes Roger I am. I’m terribly cynical.
    It would be better for the government to buy hay and deliver it to farmers to keep key breeding stock alive and healthy enough to breed once the rains come.

  69. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I’m guessing there’s far worse in store

    Lucky bastard.

  70. Johno

    The State has declared Crypto as an asset, next they will demand transparency. That will kill it dead in the water. People want anonymity when they use crypto,either to avoid tax or outrageous Bank Fees or to conduct illegal transactions.

    Volatility and the time taken to convert to Dollars mean it will never be a medium of exchange. Once a program is developed that breaks the chain and the programmers have made their millions and made it public this era will be over, until the next shiny new thing comes along.

  71. Such negative people!
    Lets be positive.

    Focus on the things that government has done right.
    For example, um err um …

    I’ll get back to you on that.

  72. Percy Popinjay

    Focus on the things that government has done right.
    For example,

    perpetuating its own stinking destructive existence.

  73. Farmer Gez

    132andBush
    #3207220, posted on November 10, 2019 at 10:06 am
    Gez,
    What are you being quoted /t in your neck of the woods?

    Around $180-220 out of the paddock.
    We’ve had rain on our hay and not much was in the bale before the rain in most of the Wimmera.
    Probably looking at a couple of grades drop in export hay quality and that would be a $220 price.

  74. 132andBush

    The figures quoted wrt water being made available to farmers were a bit of a joke.

    Enough for 6,000 farmers to get 25mgl each.

    25megs would barely wet up the channels on most farms around here.

  75. Tel

    As regards Crypto currency. My thoughts are that it will be a short term fad. In the last year Bitcoin has moved between USD 3000 and USD 12000. It will fall a thousand dollars in a day. Imagine trying to complete a transaction with that volatility.

    Don’t confuse the principle of crypto currency (of which there are many examples) with Bitcoin in particular (of which there are two now, both forked from the original first-mover crypto). The concept of crypto still has a long way to go I would say, but the Bitcoins are somewhat over valued IMHO.

    A currency reflects the markets evaluation of a countrys worth.

    I disagree, most of the country is not up for sale. The currency has value because people living in that country are forced to pay tax and also forced not to use anything else as money. Governments don’t like cryptos because it threatens their monopoly, but at the end of the day you still have to pay tax in government coin. No crypto can ever get the power to enforce taxes.

    Bitcoin reflects what exactly? It exists in a digital world,there is no physical holding.

    It reflects trust in an algorithmic system that produces a tamper-proof ledger. Information is a physical thing at some level (you have to write on some physical substrate) but the value of trustworthy information is unrelated to exactly what it’s written on. Being able to coordinate a group of producers and consumers in a manner that makes cheating impossible (or at least quite difficult) is itself valuable.

    It has been hacked a couple of times already …

    No that’s just wrong, the Bitcoin algorithm has never been hacked, at least no one has openly demonstrated such a hack.

    … and with the rise of the new super computers it will be hacked again and again.

    Since you are wrong about the first hack, quite likely you are wrong about that prediction. Of course, if there’s a break in any particular crypto people will immediately move their value to the others and the exchange rate of the broken coin will rapidly fall. At that stage they would be looking for alternative algorithms to pick up where they left off and the miners would jump across to the new algorithm quite readily. The incentive structure of the crypto means that someone breaking the algorithm would look for a way to profit from the knowledge, therefore most likely would join the mining pool. For this reason miners always keep close statistics on other miners to see if anyone out there seems a little “too good” to be true.

    It’s possible that someone knows how to break it, but is waiting for the right time to make use of this … bit it’s kind of intrinsic that when you use the knowledge you also reveal the fact that you have the knowledge.

  76. Nick

    I wouldn’t be writing off Albo to win the next election just yet, either. It may even be a nice bet if the odds get juicy.

  77. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Lets be positive.

    Fair enough.
    They’ve positively stuffed the entire country.

  78. struth

    Our commitment to Vietnam betrayed our military in the pursuit of grubby political goals.
    The 500 or so who died were disgracefully used, and the blood and treasure expended was a bitter and tragic waste.

    Fighting totalitarian communist expansionism …..a grubby political goal?

    You traitorous fucking hypocrite.
    If it wasn’t for the filthy left wing arseholes like yourself in the western nations making them fight with one hand tied behind their backs, they’d have won easily.
    When you go to war, you go to war.
    You don’t send a token force because the lefties in your own nation are crying crocodile tears because we are fighting their political brothers.
    The disgrace is the filthy left wing bastards calling our troops baby killers and spitting on them and the various ways of impeding success of our very worthwhile reason to fight, caused by the left wing cancers from the front line,….you to the unions and academics and radical left wing students at home sabotaging success.
    They must have been right because the left never get anything wrong now, do they, Sniffy McBabykilla?

    Do not claim those men were used poorly.
    Those heroes died fighting an evil scourge that you sympathise with but will not live under, that you promote and grizzle fifty years later for being forced to fight what you should have found honour in doing, you traitorous, grizzling fuckwit.

    Those men died fighting for the western world and against the evil tyranny of communism, they did not die in anything other than the highest glory, and indeed may not have died at all if it wasn’t for the subversion of the grubby left back in the west.

    Oh and Ellie, I did 5 minutes of Insiders…………………..holy shit.
    Obfuscating lefties …………………. f that.
    I’d rather sit here and, and read about you and the artist formally known as MV talk about nipple clamps.
    FMD, yes it was that bad.

  79. 132andBush


    Around $180-220 out of the paddock.
    We’ve had rain on our hay and not much was in the bale before the rain in most of the Wimmera.
    Probably looking at a couple of grades drop in export hay quality and that would be a $220 price.

    About the same as here.
    Nearly all mine went for 300
    Last little bit (a dropdeck load) for 270 but it was going to Tamworth.
    I’m based near Griffith.

  80. Percy Popinjay

    I’ve stated that you are a literary fraud, an academic fraud and a shabby polemicist too ready to use the deaths of Australian Servicemen to make grubby political points.

    Thank you Hazmatic. There has never been a more utterly vile commenter on this blog and that’s saying something, given the plague of imbeciles who’ve blighted this site over the years.

  81. Percy Popinjay

    I wouldn’t be writing off Albo to win the next election just yet

    I would. Has anyone here ever even heard him speak? He sounds like a brain damaged 15 year old.

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Goodness, I hope you added some fluffy pink swansdown to those handcuffs, Ellie.
    The police sort are very cold and decisive.

  83. Nick

    I would. Has anyone here ever even heard him speak? He sounds like a brain damaged 15 year old.

    Despite that, look at who he is up against

  84. bespoke

    Nick

    Nothing wrong with bragging. People hear have done things I only dreamed of doing but the habitual name dropping, referral to authority and surficial centre of the Universe schtick has become tediously predictable like the French revolution.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    lol re Albo, Percy.

    Sometimes though there’s a part of the electorate that likes a degree of inarticulateness.
    It makes them feel more at home. Many hard working people distrust fast and smart talkers.
    Pauline’s stumbles, for example, often just endear her to her followers.

  86. Roger

    Despite that, look at who he is up against

    Yes, but then Albo makes Morrison look wholesomely normal to the average punter.

  87. Farmer Gez

    About the same as here.
    Nearly all mine went for 300
    Last little bit (a dropdeck load) for 270 but it was going to Tamworth.
    I’m based near Griffith.

    There’s no local demand around here as the paddocks have heaps of feed. The Goulburn Valley dairy cockies are the closest market and they’re looking for good vetch hay at $300 as opposed to cereal.

  88. 8th Dan

    I wouldn’t be writing off Albo to win the next election just yet, either.

    Same here. But he needs to snuff out the political careers of Shorten and the Turtle. Soon, else one or both of them will shaft him or have him shafted.

  89. Sinclair Davidson

    And no, Libertarians don’t believe in open borders.
    That’s Friedmanarians.

    Friedman did not support open borders – he argued that they would be inconsistent with the welfare state.

    He is correct. To my mind that is a feature, not a bug.

  90. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Despite that, look at who he is up against

    We can’t. We don’t who it will be yet.

  91. struth

    The reaction to the the drought by the Liberal government shows that it is a detached elitist socialist party with only the MSM on it’s mind.
    As I stated earlier, it’s not as reported.
    The drought is not nation wide, it’s just close to the mid to northern east coast, and there is plenty of hay being grown elsewhere.
    The area I’m associated with regards harvest etc is the Eyre Peninsular, which is having quite a good to average season.

  92. struth

    Sinc, how do you have a democracy without physical borders?

  93. bespoke

    Friedman did not support open borders – he argued that they would be inconsistent with the welfare state.

    Please take that up with Iampeter Sinc. The boy is confused.

  94. 1735099

    Sniffy McBabykiller

    That takes me back – haven’t been called that since 1971.
    Gives you an idea of the quality of the dregs who post here.

  95. JC

    The State has declared Crypto as an asset,

    That was so fucking conniving. Think of the practicalities of the rule. Say you held on and then wanted to purchase a home or a car. If the Bitcoin holding shows a gain:

    1. The seller doesn’t accept Bitcoin and you therefore have to convert it into Dollars. The crystallization trigger a cap gain event.

    2. The seller accepts Bitcoin, the transaction causes a notional conversion on the day and will be taxed at the cap gains rate.

    This would apply if you even using Bitcoin to either directly or indirectly transact at the supermarket.

  96. Ellie

    Good morning Doomlord, Master, Sir.

  97. Tel

    The State has declared Crypto as an asset, next they will demand transparency. That will kill it dead in the water. People want anonymity when they use crypto,either to avoid tax or outrageous Bank Fees or to conduct illegal transactions.

    Cash is an asset too, and in theory also subject to audit … although in practice there is still a cash economy out there. Running the bank accounts at zero interest for at least the past 10 years has no doubt helped boost the cash economy.

    Crypto currency leaves behind an auditable trail, which cash does not do. Government could force people to declare their wallet ID’s and remove the anonymity from the system. That said, how can a government be sure you declared ALL your wallet ID’s after you have declared one? Suppose (just for example) you spend some Bitcoin, you might buy a pizza, and now you have less in your wallet than before. Will the government auditors check that pizza? Do they know who sold the pizza and where those coins went?

    Maybe there was no pizza, maybe you gave those coins to yourself under a different ID. Maybe you did buy something but it wasn’t really a pizza. And so on, and so on.

    If you want to think about muddy audit trails … consider the following …
    https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/financial-records-under-thomson-missing/news-story/2ac73db769c32631e825ce8194f29c08

    FINANCIAL records linked to embattled Labor MP Craig Thomson’s former leadership of the Health Services Union have disappeared.

    Fairfax Media reports that both Fair Work Australia and an auditor have failed to track down documents for periods between 2002 to 2007 when Mr Thomson occupied the top job at the HSU.

    The employment body has been investigating the union’s financial management under Mr Thomson since April 2009.

    There you have an organization with legal requirements of transparency, which is handling member’s money, with conventional bank accounts and credit cards, all of which have audit trails. Strangely enough FIVE FREAKING YEARS of accounting records can vanish *poof* without a trace. That’s not supposed to happen. Governments don’t allow that sort of thing to happen.

    But it did happen … think about that.

    Lot’s of things that aren’t supposed to happen, do in fact happen, and frequently there’s no consequences to the people who did them. Now and then someone does get busted.

  98. Win

    Just seen on ABC TV prior to a weather up date.flashed across the screen in huge letters “ Climate change is a scientific fact “ then went to the report and map.

  99. Roger

    The reaction to the the drought by the Liberal government shows that it is a detached elitist socialist party with only the MSM on it’s mind.

    Worse, they might actually believe they’re making a positive difference by splashing tax payers’ hard earned about on this harebrained scheme, which is but a moonbeam from the larger lunacy of water policy.

  100. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc, how do you have a democracy without physical borders?

    If only there was a modern technology to solve the problem of past redundant technologies.

  101. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Friedman did not support open borders – he argued that they would be inconsistent with the welfare state.

    Begging your indulgence Master Doomlord Sir,
    But Friedman merely argued that open borders could not function in the presence of a welfare state. Absent the welfare state he was gung ho on open borders.

    Unlike Bastiat, who was opposed to both open borders AND the welfare state.

    .
    By “open borders” we’re talking about migration. abastiat was all for open borders for trade.

  102. Ellie

    Goodness, I hope you added some fluffy pink swansdown to those handcuffs, Ellie.
    The police sort are very cold and decisive.

    Lizzie! Fluffy stuff? That’s for pussies! Cold and decisive is the real deal.

  103. EvilElvis

    The reaction to the the drought by the Liberal government shows that it is a detached elitist socialist party with only the MSM on it’s mind.
    As I stated earlier, it’s not as reported.

    Yep. I mentioned that the other day. Change the fucking channel Scomo! Oops, he did. Bushfires in the same states. The rest of the country is tanking economically but the handouts to victims of government ineptitude roll on.

  104. Sinclair Davidson

    Good morning Doomlord, Master, Sir.

    Good morning Ellie. No sleep last night I see.

    Please note – that is Professor, Dr. Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master, Sir.

  105. Ellie

    Oh and Ellie, I did 5 minutes of Insiders…………………..holy shit.
    Obfuscating lefties …………………. f that.
    I’d rather sit here and, and read about you and the artist formally known as MV talk about nipple clamps.

    That was last night, Struth. We can continue if you like. But just sayin – it was Nick who was clamped.

  106. JC

    Cash is an asset too,

    Yes, but it’s not subject to a cap gain event if say a car or even oranges were cheaper tomorrow. In a deflationary environment when cash increases in value, the state would leave you alone.

    And the ATO, along with the IRS is very watchful of Cyrpto holders. They may be unable to get inside a bitcoin wallet but the brokers and exchanges have a record of purchases and sale which they look over and data match.

    The state is so fucking vile and disgusting it’s laughable how we consider ourselves somehow living in a superior environment than regular Chinese.

  107. Sinclair Davidson

    Absent the welfare state he was gung ho on open borders.

    In practice, what does that mean?

  108. struth

    That takes me back – haven’t been called that since 1971.
    Gives you an idea of the quality of the dregs who post here.

    Those dregs are quoting left wing hippy activists, don’t try and twist it commo c…nt…I haven’t had my fix of outsiders this morning, and will quite enjoy bitch slapping your idiocy and twisting lies from the top pixel to the last.
    Do you deny that it was the left wing activists calling you that?
    Was it all the conservatives marching against the war out in the streets.

    Lefties now believe aboriginals built cities and farmed, had water management plans and Hitler was right wing.
    Surely you can dismiss real history and make the anti Vietnam protestors spitting on you extreme right wingers!!!

    McBabykilla, you are not very bright

  109. 1735099

    The old commo troll wouldn’t know what truth was…..

    Check this – “Every national servicemen who went to Vietnam was a volunteer.”

    And this – “Some national servicemen who went to Vietnam were volunteers. The best estimate is under 15%”

    The first statement is a lie, although it was taught in Australian schools for decades.
    The second, whilst still being researched, is close to the truth.
    I was personally responsible for removing that lie from school websites.
    This is a clear example of Anzackery in action.
    I reckon I have a better grasp of the truth than you, old mate, and the bulk of the drongos who post here.
    Uncomfortable, isn’t it?

  110. stackja

    Canberra bureaucrats know all about water policy. Environmental flows.
    Sydney bureaucrats know all about fires policy. Forests and parks kept wild.

  111. Roger

    Friedman did not support open borders – he argued that they would be inconsistent with the welfare state.

    He is correct. To my mind that is a feature, not a bug.

    Our government is doing its darnedest to prove him and you wrong.

  112. Sinclair Davidson

    Crypto currency leaves behind an auditable trail, which cash does not do.

    This explains both the war on (private) crypto AND cash.

    The government wants a digital money that leaves an auditable trail and that it controls.

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Those heroes died fighting an evil scourge that you sympathise with but will not live under,

    The Geneva Accords of 1954 provided for the partition of Vietnam, and a free movement between the two new countries. Of a population of fourteen million Northerners, a million “went South” and the North Vietnamese violated the accords by preventing anywhere up to another half million people leaving. Some fifty thousand Southerners “went North.”

    Anywhere up to 100,000 “rich landlords” were murdered in the purges of 1954 – 56.

    Fast forward to 1975, and the next time the North Vietnamese violated a peace treaty – the Paris Peace Accords and launched a conventional invasion of the South. A hundred thousand summary executions after the fall of Saigon, and 180,000 died from hunger and disease in the “re -education camps.” If any Cat can tell me how many “boat people” fled the earthly paradise of the new Socialist Republic, I would be obliged. As quoted in yesterday’s Australian, there weren’t any “boat people” going TO Viet Nam.

  114. struth

    Well bugger me.
    Crypto can replace national borders!
    You are quite the salesman , Professor, Dr. Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master, Sir.
    FMD.

  115. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    That’s for pussies! Cold and decisive is the real deal.

    God I love it when you talk dirty, Elle.

  116. Ellie

    I did sleep, Doomlord.

    I’m like Stimpson, in a way. I Cat binge for a couple of days, then fast for a few weeks. Come back and nothing has changed.

    I had a success last night, or early this morning – I managed to engage JC with my brilliance re cryptocurrency.

  117. struth

    That was last night, Struth. We can continue if you like

    Don’t let me stop you, please go ahead.

  118. Chris

    Can we have the WA Cats sound off please, just for safety.

    You don’t want to hear me sound off. Crazy uncle.

  119. 1735099

    McBabykiller

    By your own classification, you’re obviously a hippy activist.

    You’re a very confused little man.

  120. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    Kenny Morgan is my hero. Wins 793k on the Melbourne Cup first four after being told by his date that he wasn’t her type. Then said date has been texting him but Morgan hasn’t responded. Full story page 3 of today’s Hun.

  121. JC

    The government wants a digital money that leaves an auditable trail and that it controls.

    Thug Jordan and his ATO cohort, earlier this year, were making audit threats against business that only accepted cash and weren’t on Efpos. They said they would data match.

  122. struth

    Let’s face it, Sco Mo is the PM of New South Wales.

  123. Sinclair Davidson

    I managed to engage JC with my brilliance re cryptocurrency.

    I saw. JC is correct – right now crypto is too volatile to be ‘money’. It is also user unfriendly at the moment.

    Libra is looking t0 solve that problem.

  124. The government wants a digital money that leaves an auditable trail and that it controls.

    Exactly.

    But as bitcoin demonstrates, blockchain can make life hard for a totalitarian.

  125. Anthony

    As a Victorian I am used to being told how many hectares have been lost to bushfires. That information does not seem to be available for the Queensland and NSW fires. I read also that the site of the fires that resulted in two deaths started in a community that grew out of a hippie community. Were any procedures in place to protect that community?
    There does not seem to be much in the way of co-ordinated information dissemination.

  126. Sinclair Davidson

    Crypto can replace national borders!

    Distributed ledger technology can make borders less relevant for trade. Distributed ledger technology can disrupt representative democracy.

  127. bespoke

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3207259, posted on November 10, 2019 at 10:34 am
    Sinc, how do you have a democracy without physical borders?

    If only there was a modern technology to solve the problem of past redundant technologies.

    This ignores the reality like the Democrats giving voting rights to illegal aliens on school comities.

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As quoted in yesterday’s Australian, there weren’t any “boat people” going TO Viet Nam.

    Excerpt from Greg Sheridan’s long, but informative article, from yesterday’s Oz.

    Vietnam’s Ho Chi Minh was a lifelong ideological communist who worked for the Comintern, the international communist organisation. When the North Vietnamese communists invaded South Vietnam, they established labour camps with hundreds of thousands of inmates, they conducted pogroms against ethnic Chinese, against Catholics, against religious Buddhists. No boatperson ever sailed towards communist Vietnam.

    Chinese communists were fiercely ideological. When they took control they smashed up ­traditional Chinese cultural artefacts and buildings, they banned the works of Confucius. Even when I was a correspondent in ­Beijing in 1985, the chief ideological think tank was the School of Marxist/Leninist/MaoZeDong Thought. Through the Anti-Rightest Campaign, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and all the other madness, the Chinese communists were ­responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese.

    The genocidal Khmer Rouge were extreme but orthodox communists. Their leader, Pol Pot, like Ho Chi Minh, learned his Marxism from the French Communist Party while living in France. The big Asian communist powers, China and Vietnam, supported the Khmer Rouge all through their genocide. Vietnam turned on them only when Cambodia, under Khmer Rouge leadership, attacked Vietnam militarily. The Chinese never formally abandoned the Khmer Rouge.

  129. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    In practice, what does that mean?

    In Practice, Czar Lord Master, it means Friedman saw the nation-state as merely an economic unit with the people as interchangeable parts, while Bastiat saw the nation-state as a cultural unit, with the people having characteristics unique to their particular culture.

  130. Sinclair Davidson

    No – I think that means when confronted by a choice between open borders and the welfare state Friedman chose the welfare state.

  131. struth

    You’re a very confused little man.

    No answers, yet again.
    Teenager ner ners.
    The left in the west hobbled the war and that’s a fact.
    They spat at you and called you baby killer (if they did that to you, personally, were they right to do so?

    The right were involved in none of this, you imbecile.
    And it’s not often enough brought up here in regards to why the war went the way it did.
    All we see from you is just how the left hated fighting commos that fifty yyears later we still have you here carrying on about it.
    Suck it up sunshine.
    You being made to fight commies makes me laugh.
    Heartily.
    There should be more of it.

  132. JC

    Sinc

    I don’t get libra though. Libra would enjoy all the attributes of being a digital currency. I get this. However, they are saying that it would be fully backed by a basket of currencies. I don’t know the breakdown of the basket they are intending, but it would be the usual stuff like US dollar, Euro, Yen, Aussie etc.

    I don’t know what useful purpose that would solve in the sense that it would still be based in fiat. What is the point of paying Suckerberg a fee for putting it together when it’s backed by fiat currencies anyway?

    What would be the overwhelming advantage of using libra as against say the US Dollar or the Euro?

  133. 1735099

    The Geneva Accords also provided for free elections.
    They never took place, because Ho Chi Minh would have easily won, an outcome unacceptable to the Americans and the South Vietnamese government of the day.
    A Ho Chi Minh win would have meant reunification, and the lives of 57000 Americans and 500 Australians would have been saved. Millions of Vietnamese would not have died in the years of conflict that followed, and the Cambodian genocide would probably have been avoided.

    History is a bugger isn’t it?

  134. John Constantine

    Polycystic ovaries and endometriosis are used as excuses for the explosive rage of vast herds of wymynsys vegynsys activists.

    Who scoff and slurp up polycystic ovary precursor chemicals posing as food to fuel their ‘rage until blackout’ culture.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1334192/

    Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is the most common endocrine disorder affecting women of reproductive age and is associated with obesity, hyperinsulinemia, and insulin resistance. Because low carbohydrate diets have been shown to reduce insulin resistance, this pilot study investigated the six-month metabolic and endocrine effects of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet (LCKD) on overweight and obese women with PCOS.
    Results

    Eleven women with a body mass index >27 kg/m2 and a clinical diagnosis of PCOS were recruited from the community. They were instructed to limit their carbohydrate intake to 20 grams or less per day for 24 weeks. Participants returned every two weeks to an outpatient research clinic for measurements and reinforcement of dietary instruction. In the 5 women who completed the study, there were significant reductions from baseline to 24 weeks in body weight (-12%), percent free testosterone (-22%), LH/FSH ratio (-36%), and fasting insulin (-54%). There were non-significant decreases in insulin, glucose, testosterone, HgbA1c, triglyceride, and perceived body hair. Two women became pregnant despite previous infertility problems.
    Conclusion

    In this pilot study, a LCKD led to significant improvement in weight, percent free testosterone, LH/FSH ratio, and fasting insulin in women with obesity and PCOS over a 24 week period.

    Almost as if the proles were being feedlotted to achieve daily growth rate increases in rage,infertility and utter dependence on socialism.

  135. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Libra is looking t0 solve that problem.

    Ladies sanitary napkins as currency?
    I foresee a few problems with that.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    Witness now the flailing of an elderly imbecile, too old to actively practice what he preaches but deigns instead to rest on the fruits his country has provided him while attacking it.

    Thoroughly dissected overnight yet again. No defence of distorted ‘facts’, no argument with the quoted sections of his own (self-published, on taxpayer coin) book that reveal him to be the exact opposite of what he claims to be on this forum.

    I won’t reprise all the bits exposed and flamed overnight. It’s been done so thoroughly that I couldn’t hope to hold a candle to it.

    I will, however, not Old Yeller’s frequent commentary here that it was his company commander who asked him if he could operate the trusty Bell & Howell. Yet in his hard copy scrawlings he said it was the QM. Both statements can’t be true, because if a bloke was to be both an OC and a QM – why, he’d have to be some sort of fictional character.

    But we know he isn’t. So the only available option left is what was obvious in the first place – that Old Yeller’s a self-serving bullshit artist.

    You say you deal in ‘truth’, and ‘historical facts’.

    No. You deal in YOUR truth, and YOUR facts, suitably twisted to lessen your inherent cowardice. And when YOUR truth and YOUR facts are invariably exposed as incorrect you change the subject, returning to the original flawed premised an hour, a day or a week later. Much like – as the old adage goes – a dog returns to its own vomit.

    You’re the disgrace, Liability Bob. And deep down you know this. Your carefully constructed bluster and nobility in the face of unspeakable odds is a veneer to disguise the coward underneath. And you know this too.

    If you were any sort of man you’d have a) done your time rather than go overseas, being a man of conviction and all, and/or b) not mouthed off about it incessantly when you got back. Which, of course, you ensured by making a colossal pest of yourself until you were removed from an otherwise cohesive fighting unit.

    Oh, and by the way:

    ‘Digital copies (second addition) are available now.’

    Basic literacy’s always been beyond you.

  137. bespoke

    Professor, Dr. Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master, Sir.

    Shorter: Flog or Chief Flog if you insist. 😎

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    *I will, however, note*

    Dammit. Now I’ll never get my PhD.

  139. 1735099

    The Right were never involved in any of this

    So would you classify the Liberal booth worker at the 1975 federal election who told me that I wasn’t fighting for him in Vietnam a “Lefty”?

  140. thefrollickingmole

    Check this – “Every national servicemen who went to Vietnam was a volunteer.”

    The first statement is a lie, although it was taught in Australian schools for decades.

    I can honsetly say this was never taught to me at all, ever in 10 years schooling.

    Your monomania isnt representative of the world you self obsessed loon.

    You are bent out of shape, crazy in the coconut, cuckoo for coco puffs and just a fucktard who cant deal with your own multiple failures in life and seek to instead pathologise society in order to fill the gaping black void where a normal person has a life.

    Anyone else here ever “taught” deliberately, and with malice “all Vietnam soldiers were volunteers”?
    Your life long obsession is a tiny, tiny flyspeck of errata in a global event.
    Get a life you tedious old flogbag.

  141. Black Ball

    And the Sunday Herald Sun on pages 10 and 11 have an investigation detailing the rip off merchants, aka lawyers in the Family Court. 3 paragraphs might get the blood boiling, if you haven’t looked at some of the cases before the court.

    ‘Lesding barristers are charging divorcing couples tens of thousands of dollars for work they were not required to do.
    These charges, which are unknown outside family law and are referred to as “disappointment fees”, are levied when matters set down for trial are settled early.
    In some cases divorcing couples are forced to pay for weeks of hearings which never take place.’

    Should be tarred and feathered then strung up by their Hugo Boss ties.

  142. struth

    Bugger, I was just about to get into it and Mrs Struth is forcing me outside to work.

    How did a pint sized midget get such control over me.
    She is the only one with this power.
    Dam, I’m not allowed to play anymore, chores must be done.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just observing and reporting, Bespoke.

    I realized long ago that you can’t please everybody but that it was important to be true to yourself.
    How others interpret what I say and what they make of who I am is up to them. Sometimes their way of seeing things says more about them than it is worth me bothering to point out. Carry on.

    I do agree with you by the way in what you said earlier this thread about brown-nosing snobs. There are many still in middle management, as you note. As Hairy’s wife I’ve been the recipient of some of that nonsense. I’ve also, especially in past times, and on here from some, been on the receiving end of it. I woke this morning my mind full of an occasion dredged up in sleep. It was when I was working in advertising as a copywriter, aged 20, said I was 22, and my name was on the door of my office. In the etiquette of the times, I was called Miss X, not by my Christian name, by the typists and people in the production area. Visiting ‘production’ one day, a woman approached me with a newspaper clipping (they did the paper searches for ads there). It was a pic of my mother, receiving an award in the factory where she worked. Do you know .. this person? asked the clippings woman with a sneering gotcha expression, for my surname was an unusual one and she was clearly determined to hold one over me with embarrassment. Yes, I do, I answered. She is a relative of mine, fallen on hard times. It’s good to see she’s doing well, and thank you for showing me that. Now let us both recall in this world of uncertain employment that there but for the Grace of God go I (one of my Nana’s favorite sayings. It was not long after the big retrenchment bloodbath following the 1961 Credit Squeeze). Now, I continued, I need to discuss with you how to do a better job on the copy typography than the one you have just done on this double page spread of mine, which John has asked me to get you to redo. I said ‘John’ about the senior account executive with whom I worked, scion of a very old Melbourne family, whom she had to call Mr X. He and I always shared our early morning coffee together as friends, chewing the fat amusing each other with agency gossip over planning the day’s work. I was not usually unpleasant like this to fellow workers, nor pressing points about who sat where on the totem poles of the place, but this woman really did get my dander up (lol). And these were very different times, when social boundaries were far more tightly drawn. Defeating them brought you into play with many who would pull you down if they could. 🙂

  144. JC

    If the dude is right about Blockchain… the Dude Rafe linked to earlier in the week, there is potential for blockchain to realize massive amounts (counted in trillions and trillions of dollars in value )in the poor world by affording title to land owned by people who have no title. This is massive.

    See rafe’s link.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/11/06/patrick-byrne-on-blockchain/

  145. Knuckle Dragger

    *flawed premise*

    Look. My proofer’s off today, OK? What is this? Russia?

  146. Geriatric Mayfly

    Here it is Anthony. No estimate yet as to the crop (Cough, cough) damage.

    A man burnt while fighting to save his home has described how a ‘massive wall of fire’ swept through a remote forested community built around a hippie commune where two people died. The Oz

  147. struth

    I’m going to come back at you Commo Bob.
    I will have my fun eventually.

  148. Johno

    Back in May 2019 a total of 7000 Bitcoins were stolen from a wallet. It happened a couple of times before as well. Can’t remember the details. No-one has broken the blockchain, yet.
    The state does not like people doing transactions anonymously. It robs them of their legislated “right” to their money.
    People may well move to another platform but given time that will go by the wayside as well.
    Currency exists when people have confidence in it as a means of exchange. When that goes so does the currency. Zim dollars, Ven Bolivars.

  149. Infidel Tiger

    Libra is a complete scam in order to steal all our financial info.

    Terrible terrible idea.

  150. EvilElvis

    The government wants a digital money that leaves an auditable trail and that it controls.

    It’s good to see a freedom loving libertarian at the thin edge of the wedge trying to give government what they want.

  151. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Friedman chose the welfare state.

    Not according to the Cat Collective, Master Doomlord Sir.
    The subject was debated at length here about four years ago.

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Geneva Accords also provided for free elections.
    They never took place, because Ho Chi Minh would have easily won, an outcome unacceptable to the Americans and the South Vietnamese government of the day.

    Ummm, the South Vietnamese never agreed to any elections, because they would be anything but free, and the North Vietnamese themselves are on record as early as 1955 as saying they had no interest in any elections.

    History is a bugger, isn’t it?

  153. When that goes so does the currency.

    Both can happen surprisingly quick.

  154. Some History

    Goth Castle speaks with the Pirate to the Starsz. And on it goes…

    “I respect Izzy as a Christian man… as long as he doesn’t say anything disparaging about poofism”.

    Re-signing Israel Folau was a mistake, Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle admits

    Re-signing Israel Folau was a mistake, Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle has admitted.
    Folau was sacked earlier this year for again making homophobic comments on social media. He had already done so before re-signing with Rugby Australia on a four-year contract worth about $5 million.
    Folau, a former Wallabies superstar, is now seeking $10 million in damages from Rugby Australia.
    In an interview with Peter FitzSimons, Castle told The Sun Herald that “in hindsight”, Folau’s re-signing was a mistake. She insists, however, that Folau gave her a clear commitment to not repeating his homophobic rant.
    “In hindsight, yes. But before signing he made the commitment that he would not do it again,” Castle said.
    “It’s very sad because I believed him and I had an agreement that I supported him in being the proud Christian man that he is. And he told me that he would use his social media platforms respectfully.”

    https://wwos.nine.com.au/rugby/israel-folau-raelene-castle-signing-mistake/b3d373d0-adea-40a8-92c4-9dfd56d583c4

  155. stackja

    Police Acting Commissioner addresses the media over Yuendumu death

    POLICE say the teenager shot dead in Yuendumu on Saturday evening was armed
    NT News
    Subscriber only

    November 10, 2019 8:39am

    POLICE say the teenager shot dead in Yuendumu on Saturday evening was armed.

    Acting Deputy Commissioner Michael White told media in Darwin two police officers went to a home in the community 300km from Alice Springs to arrest the man for a breach of parole.

    The man “lunged” at an officer and was shot, he said.

    Mr White would not say what weapon he was armed with.

    Mr White confirmed medical staff had left the community in the days prior to the shooting because of security concerns. ”Obviously that has impacting on the response in providing aid to the deceased,” he said.

    Mr White would not say if the dead man had a history of violence.

    “Our key priority at the moment is to ensure the wellbeing of family and the members involved,” he said.

    Mr White confirmed family members were not informed of the man’s death until this morning.

    “Our number one priority is always safety of our members and the community,” he said.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    History is a bugger, isn’t it?

    William Duicker’s biography of Ho Chi Minh, and “The Indochinese Experience of the French and Americans – Nationalism in Cambodia, Load and Vietnam” by Arthur J Dommen provide interesting counterpoints to those who fell for the North Vietnamese Party line.

  157. stackja

    Massive cost to Commonwealth withdrawal

    A gradual federal government public servant exodus from the Top End has cost the Northern Territory $2.6 billion in nine years economic modelling shows.
    HAYLEY SORENSEN, NT News
    Subscriber only

    November 10, 2019 6:00am

    A GRADUAL federal public servant exodus from the Top End has cost the Northern Territory $2.6 billion in nine years.

    Economic modelling by consultancy firm Remplan for NT Treasury shows there are 2412 fewer federal public servants – 1697 defence personnel and 715 in administrative roles – in the NT today than there were in 2010.

    The Commonwealth withdrawal has also caused a further 2760 full time jobs to disappear from the Territory economy. That includes supply chain jobs and positions which would have been filled by the spouses of those absent public servants.

    A number of federal agencies have wound back their footprints in the Territory in recent years, including the 2017 closure of Darwin’s Australian Electoral Commission bureau which led to 13 positions relocating to Brisbane.

    Also in 2017, 300 defence personnel and their families moved to Adelaide when the 1st Armoured Regiment moved to RAAF Base Edinburgh. Other agencies to have lost positions in the Territory include the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Bureau of Meteorology and the Australian Taxation Office.

    Chief Minister Michael Gunner said Territorians were entitled to receive Commonwealth services equal to those living down south.

    “It makes no sense that when Territorians electoral participation is the lowest in the country, that Electoral Commission staff are moved to Brisbane,” he said.

  158. thefrollickingmole

    Albo-sleazy thinks hes hit on a winner..

    Anthony Albanese: Labor will be party of collective aspiration not individualism

    Labor will reposition itself as the party of collective aspiration rather than “individualism” in an attempt to unite its progressive and working class constituencies, Anthony Albanese has suggested.

    In an interview with ABC’s Insiders three days after the release of Labor’s scathing election review, Albanese revealed the opposition was not on track for victory according to its own internal tracking polling despite the collective belief it was poised to win the May election.

    Albanese also accused Scott Morrison of “attempting to divide the nation” when asked about his claims progressives “sneer” at their opponents and environmentalism is pitting city-dwellers against regional Australians.

    More importing voteherds needed comrades, it works for me!
    Albanese said that he unites Labor’s progressive and working class constituencies in his seat of Grayndler, where 40% of people speak a language other than English at home, home to both “many working Australians” and also the “professional classes”.

    And we need to increase the living daylights out of energy by abandoning the idea of the most power from the smallest base cost as well.
    Asked about how Labor would deal with the issue of coal, Albanese argued Labor will not have to choose between the environment and jobs because “climate change is an opportunity to create literally hundreds of thousands of jobs, if we get it right”.

    collective aspiration
    Some sort of weird code word for urban bugmen?

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Police Acting Commissioner addresses the media over Yuendumu death

    POLICE say the teenager shot dead in Yuendumu on Saturday evening was armed
    NT News
    Subscriber only

    More, from the Oz

    Mr Sims said residents were horrified by the shooting and predicted it would shake locals’ faith in justice.

    “It’s terrible, it’s like straight out of black negro America,” Mr Sims said.

    “Going about town like that shooting black men in the 21st century is not on.

    “The Warlpiri people are staunch believers in the law. Now, we’ve got this. We won’t have any faith in the police any more.”

    Mr Sims said community leaders were advising everyone to remain calm but there were fears violence could break out. He said Yuendumu residents were traumatised.

    “It brings back memories of how people got shot in the frontier wars,” he said.

    “Now that’s gone, and people have reconciled. But we still have it in our DNA that that’s what we went through.”

    He said people who had visited the scene after the shooting had seen a pool of blood and three shell casings on the floor.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dam, I’m not allowed to play anymore, chores must be done.

    Me too, Struth. Can’t delay here reminiscing any longer.
    Or adding my political two cents worth.
    Probably a relief for some anyway. See y’all.

  161. Thinking of creatures in treadmills.

    Could we use our unemployed migrants in treadmills to turn the wind turbines when the wind doesn’t blow?

    Regional employment. Tick.
    Ruinable. Tick.

    What’s not to like?

  162. bespoke

    I realized long ago that you can’t please everybody but that it was important to be true to yourself.
    How others interpret what I say and what they make of who I am is up to them. Sometimes their way of seeing things says more about them than it is worth me bothering to point out. Carry on.

    Sure but stubbornness hinders personal growth, Lizzie.

  163. Roger

    Asked about how Labor would deal with the issue of coal, Albanese argued Labor will not have to choose between the environment and jobs because “climate change is an opportunity to create literally hundreds of thousands of jobs, if we get it right”.

    Go to Moranbah and tell those CFMMEU miners about your plan to take away their jobs, Albo, I dares ya!

  164. Snoopy

    Anthony
    #3207286, posted on November 10, 2019 at 10:47 am
    As a Victorian I am used to being told how many hectares have been lost to bushfires. That information does not seem to be available for the Queensland and NSW fires.

    Listen, you’ve been told the fires are visible from space. What else do you need?

  165. Knuckle Dragger

    Of course, I have nothing concrete to back this up due to lack of ‘industry knowledge’, as they call it but remote coppers in places like Yuendumu go well out of their way to NOT shoot punters in circumstances that, had they occurred in any other environment they would be widely seen as justified for having done so.

    This is because these places are one of the few remaining outposts where Peel’s dictum of ‘policing by consent’ truly applies. It is also because backup is 300+km away on mostly dirt roads, at night and dodging cattle the size of Prados as you go.

    As has happened in the past, the police station was barricaded from the inside against pretty much the entire community while the coppers did CPR on the punter, who did well to survive as long as he did. Thanks to the miracle of modern comms, the other half of Yuendumu who live in Alice because it’s easier to get on the piss swamped the hospital when he eventually got there via ambulance and died.

    The poor punter who shot the bloke, as well as his family will have been airlifted to Alice by now, and will be in Darwin by this afternoon because the locals will demand tribal payback and this is the only solution – apart, of course, from massacring the entire town.

    If I was the head shed of the NT coppers I’d be saying ‘Fair enough. You want to behave like animals and observe tribal law, you can do it without us’ and pull out all remaining Yuendumu coppers as well as those from ‘nearby’ Papunya. Then they can live in their tribal paradise.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sure but stubbornness hinders personal growth, Lizzie.

    Being oneself is not being stubborn, Bespoke. And I have changed so much, so many times, in so many different arenas during a long lifetime so far. It’s a great relief to stop growing except in fits and starts and to stand still for a little while now and then. Anyway, with so many kids and grandkids, and Hairy too, life doesn’t allow to much stubborn. Even when I do my best at it. 😀

  167. stackja

    Regarding NSW hectares that have been lost to bushfires
    NSW RFS Major Fire Updates
    Read the numbers.

  168. Sinclair Davidson

    However, they are saying that it would be fully backed by a basket of currencies.

    Libra will NOT be backed by a basket of fiat currencies. Libra will be backed by a portfolio of ‘risk-free’ assets (most likely short-term government bonds). The Libra consortium will have to form a zero-variance portfolio and use that to anchor the Libra units. After that it will work like any commodity currency. Now fiat may fluctuate vis-a-vis Libra but Libra itself will be anchored. So anyone who thinks that the gold standard, in principle, is a good idea should love Libra.

    That is why soft-money types and politicians hate it.

  169. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    you can do it without us’ and pull out all remaining Yuendumu coppers as well as those from ‘nearby’ Papunya. Then they can live in their tribal paradise.

    Don’t be so judgemental, Knuckles.
    It’s not as if here’s ever been any trouble in Yuendumu before this.

  170. JC

    Dr. Steinberg is 102 and lives in the building. He usually has a lollypop in his mouth when I see him in the elevator, sitting in his wheelchair being taken out by his daughter or carer.. Dr wasn’t just any Dr. though, he was a professor at NY Hospital Cornell in the field of gastroenterology.

  171. Sinclair Davidson

    Not according to the Cat Collective, Master Doomlord Sir.
    The subject was debated at length here about four years ago.

    Now that you mention it, I recall. I think I tried to set y’all right then too. Long story short, being wrong four years ago doesn’t mean you are right now.

  172. Boambee John

    Win
    #3207257, posted on November 10, 2019 at 10:32 am
    Just seen on ABC TV prior to a weather up date.flashed across the screen in huge letters “ Climate change is a scientific fact “ then went to the report and map.

    OMG, for once accuracy from Rgeir ABC.

    The climate has been changing for millenia. The issue is Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change. The recent change has been broadly beneficial, the extent to which it has been caused by humans (anthropogenic) is at the very keast open to question.

    Their ABC, as usual, is deceptively implying one thing while stating another.

    Shut down, etc, …

  173. bespoke

    I don’t think you have changed from being a rabbit feminist, Lizzie only your words have.

    I could be wrong though 😎

  174. Boambee John

    Ellie at 1035

    Lizzie! Fluffy stuff? That’s for pussies!

    Phrasing!

  175. cohenite

    According to the troll Ho Chi Minh was a democrat. Talking to leftie things like the troll is like talking to a viscous blob of shit.

    This Yuendumu business is the tip of the ice-berg; the real aboriginal social construct is being manifested with the emasculation of Western law and order; payback and Jolliffe type tribal warfare, without the humour, coming to a place near you real soon.

  176. JC

    Libra will NOT be backed by a basket of fiat currencies. Libra will be backed by a portfolio of ‘risk-free’ assets (most likely short-term government bonds).

    Well yes, it won’t be like cash in a volt or deposits, but ultimately the assets ( bonds ) will be denominated in the fiats.

    The Libra consortium will have to form a zero-variance portfolio and use that to anchor the Libra units. After that it will work like any commodity currency. Now fiat may fluctuate vis-a-vis Libra but Libra itself will be anchored. So anyone who thinks that the gold standard, in principle, is a good idea should love Libra.

    But ultimately the fiat behind those assets (bonds) is what counts, no?

    That is why soft-money types and politicians hate it.

    Lets say the major economies embarked on a 70s style inflation binge. The value of those bonds would be trashed, so not only would people lose out through a general deflation, they would lose out by the value of this bonds dropping precipitously.

  177. Knuckle Dragger

    BB, 10.45 am;

    Get in line mate. Kenny is the champion’s champion.

    Dumped by the prospective missus, who after finding out he won a pile of cash then hung around sponging off him for two hours before he turned the tap off and eventually sent her home, he got on the gas at Crown with his mates before turning up to Oaks Day as a Sportsbet guest, where I’m guessing he wasn’t short of company.

    Then, and entirely predictably:

    ‘Mr Morgan said since news of his win broke he had received several text messages from his date, but opted not to respond. The Sunday Herald Sun has been unable to contact the woman.

    ‘“I wouldn’t go on another date with her but I have no ill feelings towards her and I hope she finds what she’s looking for,’’ Mr Morgan said.

    ‘“I want someone who’s nice and down to earth, family orientated and not superficial. “I’m not fussed about looks as they fade.’’’

    *thunderous applause*

    Now if that’s not a world-class fuck you to a puffy-lipped, sandblasted then rendered puppy-ears-and-nose-Insta-filter-having Gold Coast gold digger then I’d like to see what is.

  178. Muddy

    From the outset, Diem and the Americans had resolved to make that the [proposed 1956] elections did not take place because of their certainty that the North Vietnamese would win the election simply by getting every vote in the more populous North through electoral manipulation. The North Vietnamese, equally confident of their ability to control the outcome of voting in the North, tried to get Diem to engage the South in the elections, but they had little hope that the elections would actually occur because they knew Diem was too smart to allow it. Later, at a plenum of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Central Committee, the Communist leader Le Duan would remark, “Everyone clearly understood that there was no way that general elections would ever be held.” Diem, and and any other savvy Vietnamese politician, would never willingly an election decide his fate if he stood a chance of losing. For all but the most Westernized of Vietnamese political figures, elections were a tool for gaining Western approval and supporting domestic propaganda efforts, not a means for conferring power and legitimacy. The leaders of the two Vietnams, for this reason, had little interest in the debates among Westerners over whether the Geneva agreement, the South’s rejection of the all-Vietnam elections, or the absence of democracy within both North Vietnam and South Vietnam determined the “legitimacy” of the two governments. They shared the prevailing Vietnamese belief that whoever had the actual military and political power was legitimate. Both North Vietnam and South Vietnam were legitimate states by virtue of their effective armed forces and administrators, and they would have to be defeated by overt attack or covert subversion, not by international law or free elections. [My bolding].

    [Mark Moyar: “Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War, 1954 – 1965,” Cambridge University Press, p.58].

    I’ve posted the above previously. To believe such a simplistic notion as was expressed upthread is to demonstrate a profound ignorance of the subject, and an overlaying of the values of one society or culture on that of another.

  179. Muddy

    … to make sure that …
    Trying to be too clever by typing faster than the slow, redneck brain.

  180. Sinclair Davidson

    Lets say the major economies embarked on a 70s style inflation binge.

    Indeed – if the zombie apocalypse occurs Libra will be useless too.

    But ultimately the fiat behind those assets (bonds) is what counts, no?

    No. The portfolio will diversify the political risks of the fiat and the individual volatility. We end up with a stable value money that is outside the control of politicians and central bankers.

    Why should we trust Zuckerberg with our money rather than, say, Philip Lowe? Because Zuckerberg has his own money on the table underpinning it. Lowe has your money and my money on the table.

  181. Some History

    Goth Castle speaks with the Pirate to the Starsz. And on it goes…

    That right there is 3… maybe 4 – tops… functioning neurons between the two of them.

    “We fully, totally, completely respect Christianity as long as the Christian claptrap toes the anti-christian line, i.e., as long as the Christian claptrap doesn’t promote ideas that we don’t want to hear”.

  182. bespoke

    This Libra/ blockchaiin is as clear as mud.

  183. Top Ender

    Looks like we’re in for another dose of the shambles that passes for policing in remote communities in the Outback.

    Coppers went to Yuendumu yesterday after a 19-year-old, Arnold Walker, breached parole. Seems he lunged at them with a knife; wounded one, so he got shot, and died.

    Now we will have lots of screaming by the usual suspects, riots, extra coppers flown in to wherever and so on. There is a demo planned for the Alice right now – 1000 NT time.

    If the demo was in Yuendumu the media couldn’t get there of course.

    “Stand up in solidarity with Yuendumu community where police have shot a young First Nations man. Justice now!” the flyer for the action reads.

    The flyer was being shared on social media within hours of the news of Mr Walker’s shooting becoming public.

    The action will be held from 10am on the Courthouse lawns.

  184. if the zombie apocalypse occurs

    It’s here, already.
    11,000 of them signed a document.

  185. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Long story short, being wrong four years ago doesn’t mean you are right now.

    Actually, Master Doomlord Sir, I was the odd minion out of step with the rest of the Cat Collective. They all claimed Friedman was the greatest libertarian evah, and I pointed out he wasn’t a libertarian’s fart. He was, in fact, a lifelong bureaucrat with his own version of “I know what’s best for the rest of you”.
    It’s when I termed the phrase “Friedmanarian”.

    As a result I was uncharacteristically unpopular for a time.

  186. Sinclair Davidson

    This Libra/ blockchaiin is as clear as mud.

    The best introduction to Blockchain.

  187. Sinclair Davidson

    They all claimed Friedman was the greatest libertarian evah

    A fine libertarian to be sure. evah? Let’s not over-react. Let’s also not judge historical figures by modern standards. I learnt a lot from reading him and thinking about what he thought and wrote. But I’m not blind to what I think are problems in his world view.

  188. Knuckle Dragger

    Regrettably, I am a fan of a FB site called ‘Boomers Mistaking The Betoota Advocate for News’.

    It’s worth being on FB alone for the hilarity. Not quite the Bee, but a very good local variant. Has the same results too. From the Sunday HS:

    ‘US President Donald Trump’s push to buy Greenland caused a panic on Norfolk Island as officials sought assurance from Canberra that their own island paradise wasn’t for sale.

    ‘The Sunday Herald Sun can reveal that a satirical article published in August claiming Scott Morrison wanted to sell Norfolk Island to the US prompted officials on the island to write to the government for clarification.

    ‘The article on the spoof news site, The Betoota Advocate, featured a false quote from the PM claiming he could “do a great deal on Norfolk”.

    ‘”Greenland’s a miserable piece of shit anyway… I can do mates’ rates for him (Trump) on our little slice of heaven’, the PM was quoted.’

  189. RobK

    Crypto can replace national borders!
    I can see that working if everyone has an embedded chip for id and accounting purposes and the whole thing was overseen by United Universal Banking Corporation.

  190. C.L.

    Isn’t Libra the product being sold in all those ADF commercials?

  191. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Coppers went to Yuendumu yesterday after a 19-year-old, Arnold Walker, breached parole.

    Any relation to the late Omagoo Noonuckle, aka Kath Walker, of the North Stradbroke Mob?

  192. JC

    Sinc

    Inflationary periods aren’t that rare. The point I was making was to illustrate that ultimately the backing for the Libra is fiat. Also, we’re in a very low inflation environment in the West. It’s not hard to think the next cycle will be a high inflation environment across western economies. I would find it hard to see how the Librians would be able to hedge against this possibility.

    Do I trust Lowe more? No, Lowe is a dickhead, which is why I hold very little currency/cash.

  193. C.L.

    I watched a Milt clip on the ‘tube the other day about illegal immigration.
    Very true. He was all for mass immigration but he pointed out that it only works – it only pays off for the host country – when it’s legal.

  194. Some History

    Inflationary periods aren’t that rare.

    Then it’s certainly a job for Libra. 🙂

  195. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Let’s also not judge historical figures by modern standards.

    Sorry Doomlord, but for me Bastiat’s Libertarian Philosophy is complete and timeless in its simplicity. Like the Constitution it isn’t up for “interpretation”. Or at least shouldn’t be.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    BAHAHAHAAAAAA!

    ‘The body of Australia’s most notorious serial killer, Ivan Milat, has been incinerated.

    ‘In a fitting end for one of Australia’s most evil men, the no-frills cremation was paid for using the money left in his prison account.

    ‘There were no mourners, no eulogy and no tears for the killer, who tortured his victims before fatally knifing or shooting them. Only those present at the Friday cremation were those required to be for legal reasons.’

  197. Geriatric Mayfly

    Arnold Walker

    If I had a son he would be…

  198. Sinclair Davidson

    Inflationary periods aren’t that rare.

    Persistent inflation has been a 20th century problem. Mostly due to fiat.

    By providing a viable competitor to fiat, ironically, crypto and Libra will induce better behaved fiat.

  199. Top Ender

    Worth reading through to the end, as Brendan O’Neill gets more and more angry.

    Cancel that privilege before lecturing the rest of us about how bad we are
    BRENDAN O’NEILL

    We need to talk about privilege.

    No, not about “white privilege” or “straight privilege” or “cis privilege” or any of the other made-up privileges that the woke lobby bangs on about endlessly. And I don’t mean we have to check our privilege, either.

    Checking one’s privilege is one of the weirdest rituals in the cult of identity politics. It is essentially a form of self-flagellation, where supposedly privileged people — especially white men — must metaphorically whip themselves across the back for having allegedly enjoyed super-comfortable existences.

    Identity politics is an extremely binary system. It sees only two kinds of human beings.

    There are the oppressed, who are Good. These include Muslims, black women, brown women, some gay people (not white male gay people) and, of course, trans people.

    And there are the privileged, who are Bad. These include white men, especially old white men, who are behind every ill on earth. White women are privileged, too. Remember the woke fury visited upon those sisterhood-destroying white women who had the temerity to vote for Donald Trump or Brexit in 2016.

    Cis people are also privileged. Cis is short for cisgender, a word invented by people who have blue hair, degrees in queer studies and way too much time on their hands. It refers to people who remain the sex they were born. So, er, the vast majority of humankind.

    No, we need to talk about the meaning of the word privilege. The real meaning, not the warped meaning dreamt up by woke warriors who are hellbent on organising humanity into lists of The Oppressed and The Privileged.

    Because it strikes me that one of the most unfortunate consequences of identity politics has been its hollowing-out of the word privilege and the way this has made it impossible to have a serious debate about where power and authority really lie in 21st-century Western society.

    This was brought home to me while watching Mona Eltahawy’s excruciating appearance on the ABC’s Q&A on Monday night. I cringed so hard as I watched Eltahawy, an Egyptian-American feminist and author, spout the F-word and boast about being uncivil. It was all so adolescent. I can’t believe someone over the age of 14 thinks it’s cool to say f..k.

    But even more striking than that was how try-hard it felt. It came across as extraordinarily performative. It felt like an act.

    Then it struck me. Eltahawy is playing at being oppressed. She’s donning the garb of the downtrodden to distract attention from the fact she has had a very nice, comfortable and, dare I say it, privileged life. Consider her Q&A comments on Barack Obama’s sensible criticisms of woke culture and the trend for “cancelling” people who hold different views to our own. Eltahawy slammed Obama. She said she often went online precisely to say “f..k off” — cringe! — to people who criticise her.

    She said: “I do not have the luxury or the privilege to sit there and be civil with people who do not acknowledge my full humanity.”

    In short, she’s a member of the non-privileged. And therefore she is good and you must listen to her.

    There’s only one problem with this: it isn’t true.

    Eltahawy has had a privileged life. And I’m using the word privilege in its true sense here. She grew up in a middle-class family in Egypt. Her parents had PhDs. They worked in medicine. They even got government grants to study and work overseas, including in Britain and Saudi Arabia.

    A third of Egyptians live in extreme poverty. In contrast to them, Eltahawy grew up in great comfort. And that’s an inconvenient fact for someone who’s super keen to be a member of the woke, where being oppressed gives you moral power and social influence. So Woke Mona must pose as someone who lacks “luxury or privilege” and who cannot be expected to be polite to her detractors.

    This is a woke form of blacking-up, where middle-class people self-identity (to use politically correct language) as oppressed to improve their social standing in PC circles and give themselves the right to lecture the rest of us, especially white men, about how dumb and prejudiced we are.

    Indeed, Eltahawy insisted on Q&A that words such as civility and respectfulness were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men. Which white men? Rich, powerful white men such as Donald Trump? White men such as my father, an immigrant to Britain who worked on building sites his whole life? The white men who fix the plumbing in Eltahawy’s no doubt lovely apartment block in New York City?

    The woke elite’s sweeping, dehumanising category of “white men” erases everything to do with class and wealth. It views all white men, whether dirt poor or filthy rich, as culturally problematic.

    So Eltahawy, from her lovely, privileged background, is oppressed while white men, including the ones who have no money or power, are privileged. This is morally perverse and historically illiterate.

    Woke Mona isn’t alone in using the language of oppression to disguise her privileged origins. The woke universe is full of plummy Guardianistas, feminists from wealthy backgrounds and Ivy League activists who all claim to lack privilege.

    Identity politics increasingly looks like the revenge of the elites against the masses. It is the disguise well-off people wear as they lecture the throng, including working-class white men, about our moral defects.

    That’s the great irony of wokeness: it poses as a revolt against old power structures but it is itself a new power structure, one of moral censorship and social control led by posh people pretending to be victims. And no matter how many times Eltahawy says f..k, she can’t hide this fact.

    Brendan O’Neill is editor of Spiked and host of Spiked podcast The Brendan O’Neill Show.

  200. thefrollickingmole

    The point I was making was to illustrate that ultimately the backing for the Libra is fiat.

    Thats probably one of the selling points to make government leave it alone.

    We have every major currency in the world busy inflating away at more or less the same rate then the plebs only see “Aussie worth $.70 American” without realizing the USD inflated itself 2% or more for the last year as well.

    More money that ever, less value for the money.
    Those that hold solid assets and property (proper property, not ticky tacky) are largely immune until they cash out.

    From the RBA.
    https://www.rba.gov.au/calculator/annualDecimal.html
    A basket of goods and services valued at $ 1000 in calendar year 1970, would in calendar year 2018 cost $11,590.79

    last thing governments want is money that shows how shit they are and how hard they have to keep printing to keep the ball rolling.

  201. bespoke

    If I have to read a book that likly needs to me to have read other books to understand, No thanks.

    The Law and tax system is already bloated to the point of disinterest for most without adding this to the mix.

  202. stackja

    Denis Walker (activist) – Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Denis_Walker_(activist)
    Denis Percy Arnold Walker (born 2 December 1947, died 4 December 2017), also known as Bejam Kunmunara Jarlow Nunukel Kabool, was an Australian activist. He was the son of poet Oodgeroo Noonuccal (Kath Walker) from Minjerribah

  203. Harlequin Decline

    Called in to Yuendemu on my way down the Tanami in 2008. The sign on the track said they had an art centre and welcomed visitors.

    We drove through the community looking for the store. Fucked up roads, some with star pickets in them, rubbish all around, dogs scavenging, car bodies and damaged graffiti covered houses. Looked like something you would expect after a major disaster.

    Found the store run by a whitey with the local girls competently serving behind the counter. Crowded, smelly, cash changing hands like you wouldn’t believe, $50 and $100 bills flying around and everyone except us talking the local language. We ordered hamburgers that never came and $200 of diesel at $2/l. A bloke appeared, we went outside, I gave him $200 and he filled the tank going from full flow to off in an instant and stopping exactly at the $200 mark.

    To this day I can’t work out how he did it, the tank got the full 100litres.

  204. mizaris

    Inflationary periods aren’t that rare.

    Then it’s certainly a job for Libra. 

    Bwaaaaaahahahahaha

    Wipes tea off screen!!!

  205. thefrollickingmole

    Timely little piece, pinched from insdtapundit.

    Quite well written and even handed.
    https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2019/11/08/how-the-welfare-state-undermines-support-for-immigration/

    When non-libertarian audiences ask my opinion about immigration, I generally point out that it is a very good sign that so many people want to come to the United States.

    Almost everyone agrees with that statement, but that doesn’t put them in the pro-immigration camp. Instead, I find that many people have a “what’s in it for us” attitude.

    1They like the underlying concept of programs such as the EB-5 visa that attract immigrants with money, and they are broadly sympathetic to immigrants with skills and education. At the risk of over-simplifying, they want immigrants who won’t rely on handouts and they like immigrants who presumably will increase the nation’s per-capita GDP (and there certainly is strong evidence that this happens).

    2They’re skeptical of mass immigration by people with low incomes. This is mostly because they fear such migrants will impose higher costs on taxpayers, though Republican types also seem motivated by concerns about future voting patterns. The notable exception to this pattern is that business audiences are somewhat sympathetic to mass migration because they believe labor costs will fall.

  206. Geriatric Mayfly

    Called in to Yuendemu on my way down the Tanami in 2008. The sign on the track said they had an art centre and welcomed visitors.

    I was more taken by the conceptual art at the cattle grid entrance to this benighted settlement. A significant mound of green cans catching the play of the light.
    Such creativity is not welcome, or even banned, beyond the gate.

  207. Top Ender

    Worth reading through to the end, as Brendan O’Neill gets more and more angry.

    Cancel that privilege before lecturing the rest of us about how bad we are

    BRENDAN O’NEILL

    We need to talk about privilege.

    No, not about “white privilege” or “straight privilege” or “cis privilege” or any of the other made-up privileges that the woke lobby bangs on about endlessly. And I don’t mean we have to check our privilege, either.

    Checking one’s privilege is one of the weirdest rituals in the cult of identity politics. It is essentially a form of self-flagellation, where supposedly privileged people — especially white men — must metaphorically whip themselves across the back for having allegedly enjoyed super-comfortable existences.

    Identity politics is an extremely binary system. It sees only two kinds of human beings.

    There are the oppressed, who are Good. These include M uslims, black women, brown women, some gay people (not white male gay people) and, of course, trans people.

    And there are the privileged, who are Bad. These include white men, especially old white men, who are behind every ill on earth. White women are privileged, too. Remember the woke fury visited upon those sisterhood-destroying white women who had the temerity to vote for Donald Trump or Brexit in 2016.

    Cis people are also privileged. Cis is short for cisgender, a word invented by people who have blue hair, degrees in queer studies and way too much time on their hands. It refers to people who remain the sex they were born. So, er, the vast majority of humankind.

    No, we need to talk about the meaning of the word privilege. The real meaning, not the warped meaning dreamt up by woke warriors who are hellbent on organising humanity into lists of The Oppressed and The Privileged.

    Because it strikes me that one of the most unfortunate consequences of identity politics has been its hollowing-out of the word privilege and the way this has made it impossible to have a serious debate about where power and authority really lie in 21st-century Western society.

    This was brought home to me while watching Mona Eltahawy’s excruciating appearance on the ABC’s Q&A on Monday night. I cringed so hard as I watched Eltahawy, an Egyptian-American feminist and author, spout the F-word and boast about being uncivil. It was all so adolescent. I can’t believe someone over the age of 14 thinks it’s cool to say f..k.

    But even more striking than that was how try-hard it felt. It came across as extraordinarily performative. It felt like an act.

    Then it struck me. Eltahawy is playing at being oppressed. She’s donning the garb of the downtrodden to distract attention from the fact she has had a very nice, comfortable and, dare I say it, privileged life. Consider her Q&A comments on Barack Obama’s sensible criticisms of woke culture and the trend for “cancelling” people who hold different views to our own. Eltahawy slammed Obama. She said she often went online precisely to say “f..k off” — cringe! — to people who criticise her.

    She said: “I do not have the luxury or the privilege to sit there and be civil with people who do not acknowledge my full humanity.”

    In short, she’s a member of the non-privileged. And therefore she is good and you must listen to her.

    There’s only one problem with this: it isn’t true.

    Eltahawy has had a privileged life. And I’m using the word privilege in its true sense here. She grew up in a middle-class family in Egypt. Her parents had PhDs. They worked in medicine. They even got government grants to study and work overseas, including in Britain and Saudi Arabia.

    A third of Egyptians live in extreme poverty. In contrast to them, Eltahawy grew up in great comfort. And that’s an inconvenient fact for someone who’s super keen to be a member of the woke, where being oppressed gives you moral power and social influence. So Woke Mona must pose as someone who lacks “luxury or privilege” and who cannot be expected to be polite to her detractors.

    This is a woke form of blacking-up, where middle-class people self-identity (to use politically correct language) as oppressed to improve their social standing in PC circles and give themselves the right to lecture the rest of us, especially white men, about how dumb and prejudiced we are.

    Indeed, Eltahawy insisted on Q&A that words such as civility and respectfulness were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men. Which white men? Rich, powerful white men such as Donald Trump? White men such as my father, an immigrant to Britain who worked on building sites his whole life? The white men who fix the plumbing in Eltahawy’s no doubt lovely apartment block in New York City?

    The woke elite’s sweeping, dehumanising category of “white men” erases everything to do with class and wealth. It views all white men, whether dirt poor or filthy rich, as culturally problematic.

    So Eltahawy, from her lovely, privileged background, is oppressed while white men, including the ones who have no money or power, are privileged. This is morally perverse and historically illiterate.

    Woke Mona isn’t alone in using the language of oppression to disguise her privileged origins. The woke universe is full of plummy Guardianistas, feminists from wealthy backgrounds and Ivy League activists who all claim to lack privilege.

    Identity politics increasingly looks like the revenge of the elites against the masses. It is the disguise well-off people wear as they lecture the throng, including working-class white men, about our moral defects.

    That’s the great irony of wokeness: it poses as a revolt against old power structures but it is itself a new power structure, one of moral censorship and social control led by posh people pretending to be victims. And no matter how many times Eltahawy says f..k, she can’t hide this fact.

    Brendan O’Neill is editor of Spiked and host of Spiked podcast The Brendan O’Neill Show.

  208. Atoms for Peace

    Has NZ adopted compulsory country of origin food laws yet ? Interesting discussion with mates on the weekend about Chinese crap potentially coming in that way..

  209. Top Ender

    More on that Outback community:

    when the shooting happened there were no medical staff in the community, as they had been evacuated earlier in the week due to a series of break-ins at staff quarters.

    ABC article complete with a photo of the place

  210. mh

    Inflationary periods aren’t that rare.

    Then it’s certainly a job for Libra.

    It’s all about cycles.

  211. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thank you Stackja.
    I didn’t know Denis was dead.
    Sad to hear.

  212. John Constantine

    https://www.cryptopolitan.com/russia-buying-building-a-gold-backed-cryptocurrency-former-minister/

    believes that the marriage between gold and cryptocurrency can mean absolute dominance for the power controlling them. Since the cryptocurrency cannot essentially be controlled by an entity rather a group of users the implications with gold are even stronger. The ultimate power can be the “ultimate control over the money supply” and with money transactions between users without banks would mean a different kind of monopoly to be placed in play. He banks on the fact the Russian officials allowed to keep their cryptocurrency assets in private without having to declare them to the authorities or the taxation department. Macaes believes that with Iran, Venezuela, Russia, and China in the race already Europe should be working on a similar gold-backed cryptocurrency that would allow them to stay ahead in the changing global financial dynamics.

    READ MORE: https://www.cryptopolitan.com/russia-buying-building-a-gold-backed-cryptocurrency-former-minister/

  213. Arky

    So would you classify the Liberal booth worker at the 1975 federal election who told me that I wasn’t fighting for him in Vietnam a “Lefty”?

    ..
    What could you possibly have said that caused him to make a remark like that?
    ..

    wang: “Good morning”
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!
    ..
    wang: “Are those scones for anyone”?
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!
    ..
    wang: “Ummm, this pencil is broken, could you pass me a new one”?
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    Bravo, Mr. O’Neill.

  215. John Constantine

    https://www.kitco.com/news/2019-11-01/China-s-secret-gold-backed-cryptocurrency-to-destroy-U-S-dollar-skyrocketing-gold-prices-Max-Keiser.html

    China’s big move for the 21st century is to pull a “trap door” on the U.S. by launching a gold-backed crypto currency that will devalue the U.S. dollar to “zero,” this according to Max Keiser, host of the Keiser Report.

    “[China] is rolling out a cryptocurrency, a lot of the details have not been divulged. I can tell you that the cryptocurrency that China’s rolling out will be backed by gold. It’s a two-pronged announcement. Number one, China’s got 20,000 tonnes of gold, number two, we’re rolling out a crypto coin backed by gold, and the dollar is toast,” Keiser told Kitco News.

    Keiser added that bitcoin is a superior form of currency to gold.

    “Both fiat money and gold are inferior to bitcoin for one very simple reason, that with a bitcoin transaction, it is also simultaneously the settlement. You don’t have that with fiat, you don’t have that with gold,” he said.

  216. mh

    Kyle Morris
    ‏@RealKyleMorris

    Alabama loves President @realDonaldTrump. This is what the fake news media won’t show you.

    https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/status/1193296619652825088

  217. Tom

    Liberty quote (h/t Top Ender):

    Wokeness … poses as a revolt against old power structures but it is itself a new power structure, one of moral censorship and social control led by posh people pretending to be victims.

    — Brendan O’Neill

  218. struth

    That area is bad news.
    Further on up the Tanami is the Balgo mob.

    Once I was stopped just out from the Tanami turnoff, about 1996, as the youandthemoo mob had barricaded the road and were shooting at whites coming up the track.
    There are regular killings of each other, other tribals, and filth and degradation everywhere supported by racist left wing welfare.
    They go and smash up towns and roadhouses, and are often armed.
    They are off their tits due to petrol sniffing, permanently brain damaged and unable to be reasoned with.
    They are the products of leftism’s control.
    They attack Ambos trying to apply first aid, and are generally violent people, getting worse as the victim mentality is pushed down their throats by people on the taxpayer’s teat and not one of them a right winger….it would not be tolerated in those organisations.
    What’s upset them is when whites join in and start firing back.

  219. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh dear, can’t get that scene so many years ago out of my mind, the one about the clipping of my mother being waved at me to humiliate me. I think that snobby tart of a woman waved it because there had already been a few rumours about my origins, after I was seen meeting my mother one day for lunch outside work. No-one knew it was my mother, but Mum turned up in her red sox, black high heeled shoes that had seen better days, zebra-striped beanie thing on her head, laden with old plastic carry bags containing ‘presents’ for me. She wore Vinnies a la mode, a long floral synthetic fabric dress with a dipping hem, ill-fitting and held in the middle with a big red plastic belt. She was thin and gaunt with it, during one of her ‘bad’ patches. The clipping was actually an old PR one from a few years before, when she worked at Ducon Condensers in Villawood, travelling every day in a car with others from Mt. Druitt. She was better then because she had work and some friends, before she moved with my father to the city to a mean little wooden house in the back streets around Mascot and her voices started up again. I remember bustling her quickly around the corner to an unfashionable coffee shop for a lunch. She’d brought me a copy of the Pickwick Papers which she was enthusing about as ‘your sort of thing’. I arranged to see her that evening at her place and listened to the tale of how my father had just left for the last time. Then I got on to Big Sis and we discussed yet again what to do with her. Big Sis decided to have her back to live with her, but mum became so bad very quickly that week. The police found her wandering the streets with a tea cosy on her head late at night in her nightgown, and she then spent a year in psychiatric care.

    I have buried that snobby bitch’s comments for a long time; sometimes things resurface, and I am sorry if they do so here.

  220. John Constantine

    https://www.perthmint.com/goldpass.aspx

    What is GoldPass?

    At the touch of a screen, GoldPass gives investors the unique ability to securely buy and sell physical gold via digital certificates. The app also allows the instantaneous transfer of gold to other GoldPass users.

    The Perth Mint’s latest investment platform, powered by InfiniGold technology, offers investors the trusted quality for which Perth Mint products are renowned with the flexibility and convenience to access their wealth at any time.

    GoldPass offers the capability to transact gold in either Australian or US Dollars, making it an excellent option for global investors or those wishing to gain exposure to gold in US Dollar terms.

    All GoldPass digital certificates are 100% backed by physical Perth Mint gold stored in its central bank grade vaults, with the weight and purity of every ounce guaranteed by the Government of Western Australia.

    GoldPass digital certificates are an alternative to cryptocurrency investments and will pave the way for gold to be used as a transactional currency.

    Using GoldPass, investors may buy Perth Mint unallocated gold and can redeem their metal holdings at any time for cash or delivered physical gold.

  221. Geriatric Mayfly

    ABC article complete with a photo of the place

    That pic has been tidied up. Where’s the sea of rubbish that ebbs and flows with the wind?

  222. struth

    And I wouldn’t be surprised if the cop was a black liason officer and the media have conveniently left that fact out to cause trouble.

  223. John Constantine

    https://smallcaps.com.au/perth-mint-launches-worlds-first-government-guaranteed-gold-backed-crypto-token/

    The world’s first government-sponsored gold crypto token has been launched by Australia’s state-owned The Perth Mint, as part of a wider campaign to digitise its gold inventory.

    Precious metals digitisation company InfiniGold, a spinout from Rozetta Ventures and part of the RoZetta Group, has announced the launch of the Perth Mint Gold Token (PMGT), a digital token backed by GoldPass certificates already being issued by the Perth Mint – currently the world’s largest refiner of newly mined gold.

    The PMGT will be the first digital gold token on a public blockchain backed by government-guaranteed gold with hopes of complementing the existing institutional gold market.

  224. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I have a serious question re these crypto-currencies.
    How useful are they if the government basically forces all meaningful size money transactions into the electronic funds transfer system, which is where they are heading?

  225. John Constantine

    If Trump were to issue a crypto backed by Americas gold reserves, including resources in ore bodies defined but yet unmined, this would still be stronger than a fiat currency?.

  226. Knuckle Dragger

    struth,

    I am told that Aboriginal Community Police Officers (ACPOs) in the NT aren’t armed, under any circumstances.

    Which is invariably a good thing, because in these joints they come from one of the tribal groups, and according to rumour already go out of their to beat the suitcase out of the opposing tribes. Just with batons, rather than the more traditional star pickets.

    If they gave the ACPOs shooters, it is said that would lead to a very quick resolution to tribal wars in these settlements, dependent of course on the amount of rounds they were issued.

  227. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Things to do now anyway. Hope we can chase up what’s happened to Outsiders today.

  228. notafan

    I noticed that privileged background when reading a Mona article.

    Upper middle Egyptian, the UK, Saudi ( which she whinged about but her parents chose, no doubt because money, and lots of it)

    Tertiary education for her and a miriad of opportunities.

    Her big error was thinking it was safe for her as a westernised women to be alone during protests in Cairo.

    Wasn’t the only one there that did that.

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    *out of their way to*

    Sunday. I’m blaming Sunday.

  230. Geriatric Mayfly

    Further on up the Tanami is the Balgo mob.

    You missed Rabbit Flat in between, Struth. The pub now abandoned, I believe, due to the pressures imposed on licensees by importunate tribes persons.

  231. Caveman

    So Libra would absorb the inflation?

  232. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I am told that Aboriginal Community Police Officers (ACPOs) in the NT aren’t armed, under any circumstances.

    Aboriginal Police Officer, posted to a wheatbelt town in Western Australia, received a deputation of the “tribal elders.” If he arrested any of “their mob, they’d burn his house down.

  233. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The pub now abandoned, I believe’

    Rabbit Flat and roadhouses of their ilk used to do very nicely indeed using the ‘on tick’ system, combined with unlimited purchases – with a stern warning that should they not settle their account within a week of royalty day, they’d be cut off forever.

    It’s the only bill you could guarantee would be paid. Any time for a month after royalties came out, you couldn’t walk in the door of one of the joints without falling over stacks of hundreds.

  234. Hazmatic

    Arky
    #3207393, posted on November 10, 2019 at 12:39 pm
    So would you classify the Liberal booth worker at the 1975 federal election who told me that I wasn’t fighting for him in Vietnam a “Lefty”?

    ..
    What could you possibly have said that caused him to make a remark like that?
    ..

    wang: “Good morning”
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!
    ..
    wang: “Are those scones for anyone”?
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!
    ..
    wang: “Ummm, this pencil is broken, could you pass me a new one”?
    Liberal booth worker: “You weren’t fighting for me in Vietnam”!

    Arky, if you can believe it, the truth is actually less nuanced than that.

    What actually occurred was that the plagiarising fabricators father gave a whole lot of lip to a LP how to vote card distributor and the booth bloke returned serve.

    I recall a Liberal booth worker abusing me roundly in the 1975 federal election, when my father (voting with me at the time) told him I was a Vietnam veteran and that I would never vote for a party that sent me to an undeclared war, whilst the bulk of my peers enjoyed civilian life.

    I recall this Liberal booth worker telling me that I hadn’t fought for him, and that Vietnam wasn’t a “real” war. This attitude was typical not only of Labor politicians, but also of your colleagues at the time. We were persona non gratia(sic) in the country we had been conscripted to fight and die for.

    I suppose it could have been worse. The old man’s old man could have gone him with a cork screw, as is fashionable these days.

  235. struth

    So would you classify the Liberal booth worker at the 1975 federal election who told me that I wasn’t fighting for him in Vietnam a “Lefty”?

    Yes, but anyway who’s to say that happened?
    How convenient for you to dribble shit about an unprovable , improbable, incident while brushing aside the overwhelming evidence of left wing hippies and students marching against the war, and the left being against the war and hobbling the west’s ability to wage total war.
    The noisy minority ((the left) are the cause of the deaths of all soldiers in the Vietnam war.
    Because here’s a fact.
    They were fighting lefties (Vietnamese COMMUNISTS) and their commo mates back in our own western democracies were spitting the dummy out about it and doing all they could to hamper the war effort.

    Lefties caused the deaths of all of our soldiers in Vietnam.
    That’s just a fact,
    Now McBabykillerastheleftcalledme, thinks we shouldn’t fight communism and so those lives were wasted.

    But if the left weren’t active in opposing the war back home and in the States, we could have waged total war, those lives may not have been lost.
    Traitors oppose their civilisation and the values democratically enshrined.

    The deaths of those fighting against the Taliban with one hand tied behind their backs due to left wing policy are no different.
    Donald Trump (peace be upon him) untied those hands, and it was all over just like that.
    Let us ponder what may have been the case if the left in the west had allowed total war.

  236. Tom

    Hope we can chase up what’s happened to Outsiders today.

    It was delayed so Sky could give priority to the NSW fires, Lizzie. Outsiders is on at 7pm.

  237. Knuckle Dragger

    You’re reading this, Liability Bob. I know you are.

    ‘I recall a Liberal booth worker abusing me roundly in the 1975 federal election, when my father (voting with me at the time) told him I was a Vietnam veteran and that I would never vote for a party that sent me to an undeclared war, whilst the bulk of my peers enjoyed civilian life.’

    Are you seriously declaring Daddy was telling anyone who would listen how you, a purportedly grown adult, would vote?

    With you mute but nodding furiously in the background?

    Gawd.

  238. feelthebern

    Trump getting cheered today at the Alabama LSU game makes it clear why he went to the Washington National game where he would have know he would have been booed non-stop.

  239. struth

    You missed Rabbit Flat in between, Struth. The pub now abandoned, I believe, due to the pressures imposed on licensees by importunate tribes persons.

    Rabbit Flat is not an aboriginal community, it is a roadhouse and Bruce who used to run it for years was a tough old bugger who didn’t mind doing a bit of shooting either.
    The police don’t do too much on aboriginal communities………….obviously.
    They can’t.
    Do you all remember seeing the disgusting video of the cops letting to young aboriginal girls punch on?
    That’s nothing.
    A blind eye is turned to most things.
    The odd boot check for grog, allowed by some elders, and then tippy toe-ing around everything.
    Quite a dangerous job in many places.
    Much liasoning between warring families and the like.
    Mongrel of a job, but you can’t get away from this shit really anywhere in the NT if you want to be a cop there.
    There’s just stations with different levels of welfare induced devastation.

  240. feelthebern

    With you mute but nodding furiously in the background?

    & his hand down the front of his pants.

  241. Harlequin Decline

    My recollection is that Rabbit Flat was run by a Frenchman and the place seemed to built along the lines of the French Foreign Legion.

    That ABC picture looks nothing like the place I remember driving through in 2008.

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